From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 06:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D773BEFB; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46B0243E.4070900@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chinapainting videos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:12:22 +0000 (UTC) This week Jim and I have finally met in person, did some shows armed with our acoustics and cassette loops, and have a few videos to prove it. Whee! From a radio show on WVKR in upstate New York: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0QoyCF9Iqk From the Center for Improvised Music in Brooklyn (this one featuring Jim on violin): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8-kSEuQ5ls From the same show, our most microtonal piece (don't miss the quick cameo from Warren Sirota): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OeXROOxlLc enjoy, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 07:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6513BEF1; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: DL-4 footswitch broken Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:09:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi I remember Bill Walker posted a more extensive description on how to fix the footswitches on the DL-4. However I'm unable to find it in the archives. These are the only things I can find (within reasonable time): Richard Zvonar: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00813.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00350.html Bill Walker: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00349.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200502/msg00492.html The record footswitch has started to fail on me. Whenever this happens, the unit becomes unusable. I have to take it apart and put it back together for it to work again. (Fun to watch for a busker's audience, though) Can someone please point me to the description on how to fix the DL-4 buttons more permanently? Thanks Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 07:20:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BCCA3BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:19:43 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: DL-4 footswitch broken To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043301c7d40c$561d5f10$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:20:13 +0000 (UTC) I've fixed and modded a number of DL4 units including my own and do confirm that the original tack switches do wear out rather easily. It is easily and cheaply resolved if you know how to solder with 25watt soldering iron. I would suggest using a fine cutter to snip off the legs of the switch and heating up the solder joint whilst pulling the remaining parts of the switch's legs off the pcb. Let me know if you need more help and I'll do my best. Randolf Arriola (Singapore) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: DL-4 footswitch broken > Hi > > I remember Bill Walker posted a more extensive description on how to fix > the footswitches on the DL-4. However I'm unable to find it in the > archives. > These are the only things I can find (within reasonable time): > > Richard Zvonar: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00813.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00350.html > > Bill Walker: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00349.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200502/msg00492.html > > The record footswitch has started to fail on me. Whenever this happens, > the unit becomes unusable. I have to take it apart and put it back > together for it to work again. (Fun to watch for a busker's audience, > though) > > Can someone please point me to the description on how to fix the DL-4 > buttons more permanently? > > Thanks > Bernhard > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 07:59:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC46C3BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <043301c7d40c$561d5f10$6601a8c0@embryo> References: <043301c7d40c$561d5f10$6601a8c0@embryo> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--657933412 Message-Id: From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: DL-4 footswitch broken Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:59:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:59:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--657933412 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Randolf Arriola wrote: > I've fixed and modded a number of DL4 units including my own and do > confirm that the original tack switches do wear out rather easily. > It is easily and cheaply resolved if you know how to solder with > 25watt soldering iron. I would suggest using a fine cutter to snip > off the legs of the switch and heating up the solder joint whilst > pulling the remaining parts of the switch's legs off the pcb. Let > me know if you need more help and I'll do my best. > > Randolf Arriola (Singapore) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > > To: "Loopers" > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:09 PM > Subject: DL-4 footswitch broken > > >> Hi >> >> I remember Bill Walker posted a more extensive description on how >> to fix the footswitches on the DL-4. However I'm unable to find >> it in the archives. >> These are the only things I can find (within reasonable time): >> >> Richard Zvonar: >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200503/msg00813.html >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00350.html >> >> Bill Walker: >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200405/msg00349.html >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200502/msg00492.html >> >> The record footswitch has started to fail on me. Whenever this >> happens, the unit becomes unusable. I have to take it apart and >> put it back together for it to work again. (Fun to watch for a >> busker's audience, though) >> >> Can someone please point me to the description on how to fix the >> DL-4 buttons more permanently? >> >> Thanks >> Bernhard >> > hmm..I replaced a couple of switches on mine and they weren't even attatched to the circuit board. The botton switches themselves only sit touching these little buttons on the circuit board and when pressed they hit the button...I can see if the switch that is connected to the board breaks that it would be a pretty easy fix though if ya could find that part. Knowing me I would order another one!! LOL Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-3--657933412 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 31, 2007, = at 11:19 PM, Randolf Arriola wrote:

I've fixed and modded a number of DL4 units = including my own and do confirm that the original tack switches do wear = out rather easily. It is easily and cheaply resolved if you know how to = solder with 25watt soldering iron. I would suggest using a fine cutter = to snip off the legs of the switch and heating up the solder joint = whilst pulling the remaining parts of the switch's legs off the pcb. Let = me know if you need more help and I'll do my best.

Randolf = Arriola (Singapore)
----- Original Message ----- = From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" <loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=3D-@bernhardwagner.net>
To: "Loopers" <loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, = 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: DL-4 footswitch = broken


Hi

I remember = Bill Walker posted a more extensive description on how to=A0 fix the footswitches on the = DL-4. However I'm unable to find it in=A0 the archives.
These are the only things I can find (within = reasonable time):

Richard Zvonar:

Bill = Walker:

The = record footswitch has started to fail on me. Whenever this=A0 happens, the unit becomes = unusable. I have to take it apart and put=A0 it back together for it to = work again. (Fun to watch for a busker's=A0 audience, though)

Can = someone please point me to the description on how to fix the DL-4 = buttons more permanently?

Thanks
Bernhard




hmm..I replaced a couple of = switches on mine and they weren't even attatched to the circuit board. = The botton switches themselves only sit touching these little buttons on = the circuit board and when pressed they hit the button...I can see if = the switch that is connected to the board breaks that it would be a = pretty easy fix though if ya could find that part. Knowing me I would = order another one!! LOL

Sean = Mormelo
ww= w.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo



 =

= --Apple-Mail-3--657933412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 08:03:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B4C3BEFB; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Fwd: DL-4 footswitch broken Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:03:27 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Randolf! Luckily, I know how to solder. What replacement switches do you use? I mean Part-No, where to get them, etc... Thanks Bernhard On 01.08.2007, at 09:19, Randolf Arriola wrote: > I've fixed and modded a number of DL4 units including my own and do > confirm that the original tack switches do wear out rather easily. > It is easily and cheaply resolved if you know how to solder with > 25watt soldering iron. I would suggest using a fine cutter to snip > off the legs of the switch and heating up the solder joint whilst > pulling the remaining parts of the switch's legs off the pcb. Let > me know if you need more help and I'll do my best. > > Randolf Arriola (Singapore) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 08:42:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407B03BEFC; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nOI1i11n1ElMewZ/Et2xlXxi1GJtBdJJIsHMfEDbUEHH7lTzi04MxtmYDFVCnGg4aouS83lPRRT6YHbHClzjLZxPRB9VJ8YoGl3lhc6gfPYL/7c0wSUQk5oyrp8X/QHEV38M/HCa8CkbbUMJnt7PoX+ApGksHBAvtI/E6e7Neos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=q2OskqSmT5T/H2vm3rPs76KKgxX8CcmaLQGztkeQbFCi6KBM8p3WcR5G3NsIU2IZJmZGyNrKIuC6h+p8Yc8nPF0O2kNF3dmHLMNmb3cBPkb6uj2rCXn9l7QEIs5+wYzfVJDFSpZadKtHf7dz8MeFcLQfvfw+Z5Y1vAnruwZXYko= In-Reply-To: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Good light headphones Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:42:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Any > recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow > one's ears > to breathe? Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem. I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they are better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my Beyerdynamic DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use them with my iPod every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 08:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD1D3BEF6; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:54:49 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Good light headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :) Randolf Arriola (Singapore) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Good light headphones > On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Any >> recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow >> one's ears >> to breathe? Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem. > > > I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they are > better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my > Beyerdynamic DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use them > with my iPod every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 08:58:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38A53BF08; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DSpp9VXujFZpj8Qca5m6S9fr9RyLs1LbiTgYJJfBxunL78S7efng2Xv/lp7FvPrcXnWvAp0l+WJwBkZyYC1mCWL8zt2v/upqzWArbxB0RCO1ChElZCqvGQg6l7PadJEpPFM21BW7Y4/j1ajt+ieSF26gQU4oR7N7XaFlXl9CZrk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VXqroQWMytL6sUJRWmfjV786QKc4/fl43TryN3KCE//8Mlq7uNpPBAB2M5aJ0KhiTsAXNP4AfWxvWlfpgaMqUb5vrKm30XUdp45I/wUf8IyG1TRzCYplznBdO2KSQhOFM5Eff8yXjvYMtRF7498qjcZN4eE4FXPWnLDLBlCNl5E= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:58:55 +1000 From: "Sophie Adamus" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: augustus loop, abelton live & the FCB1010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_74990_2219338.1185958735495" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:58:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_74990_2219338.1185958735495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am new to all of the above programs (ableton live, augustus loop and FCB1010) I play the cello and want to record a loop, stop the loop and record another loop over the top of that (etc...) but also be able to effect each layer as I go... hopefully using the foot controller. Any ideas? sophie ------=_Part_74990_2219338.1185958735495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am new to all of the above programs (ableton live, augustus loop and FCB1010) I play the cello and want to record a loop, stop the loop and record another loop over the top of that (etc...) but also be able to effect each layer as I go... hopefully using the foot controller. Any ideas?
sophie ------=_Part_74990_2219338.1185958735495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 09:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92373BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MmpsKosVpy8tnReraLXCVGyDHHN1dyQvxtWqJ1p1MWGoBQPLM5EwfEBPTHCQHGuu8K/nSiqYbXKAs6TEitN9PJoRx5NQiyUFv4d254lVt8sCTLlwsP845nHWeoUpu2J8ayxx1x4cKbgpKsbhINU6an+QVLd2zPMR82CZxLK+Z4E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Oyr/ejaiYqNzajka8Hmhguj4ioGiQdoSKHR0xeysvFZMNje/guZT1a0mXmSABiB2dyzXG1D4b1fHtsr806GzhAnL1hHj1Wbq2lhFMOMAv38n5MiRSrE0sgpe1cKV39zR7vqsenw2cHCGrK+GZjX0wlIuSD6HTScETp15ieTTpTQ= In-Reply-To: <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A08E746-BC0A-43EF-89F6-A5B007BF5159@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Good light headphones Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:01:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:01:27 +0000 (UTC) But they are closed over the ear. Do you really think they will let Marks ears breathe? As for myself I already have all the headphones I need. I find the in- ears better to use over a long time period; more cool and more musical sounding. Not as flat of course as the studio cans I have. Per On 1 aug 2007, at 10.54, Randolf Arriola wrote: > Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :) > > Randolf Arriola (Singapore) > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: Good light headphones > > >> On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>> Any >>> recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow >>> one's ears >>> to breathe? Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem. >> I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they >> are better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my >> Beyerdynamic DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use >> them with my iPod every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 09:03:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90B63BF18; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ee01c7d41a$d1e2fa20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: DL-4 footswitch broken Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:03:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone modded a Line 6 DL-4 and replaced the uber noisy switches with quiet ones? Is this possible? I love my DL-4. I actually own three of them but the clicking of the switches is annoying and gets into microphones. Anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 09:07:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 964503BF08; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:07:17 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: DL-4 footswitch broken To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <044d01c7d41b$5f2404b0$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:07:45 +0000 (UTC) My DL4's record switch started acting up just after a coupla months of use. I initially tot it was merely the mechanical stomp button which started squeaking which was resolved with a lil WD40 but I eventually found out under the hood that the tack switches were the real culprits. I replaced them all and it's been all good for over 3 years now. :) Most people think it's the mechanical steel stomp button but it's the tack switches that are mounted on the pcb that wear out rather quickly. I do not have the part number as I simply found local supplies of the same switch which matches the width and more importantly the height. I dunno how to attach pictures here perhaps with some advice I'll be able to without creating unecessary clogging in everyone's inbox. Let me know if you guys out there need spares as I have quite a bag full of 'em switches. Randolf Arriola (Singapore) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Fwd: DL-4 footswitch broken > > Thanks, Randolf! > Luckily, I know how to solder. What replacement switches do you use? > I mean Part-No, where to get them, etc... > > Thanks > Bernhard > > On 01.08.2007, at 09:19, Randolf Arriola wrote: > >> I've fixed and modded a number of DL4 units including my own and do >> confirm that the original tack switches do wear out rather easily. It is >> easily and cheaply resolved if you know how to solder with 25watt >> soldering iron. I would suggest using a fine cutter to snip off the legs >> of the switch and heating up the solder joint whilst pulling the >> remaining parts of the switch's legs off the pcb. Let me know if you >> need more help and I'll do my best. >> >> Randolf Arriola (Singapore) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 09:11:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261443BF12; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:04:37 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: Re: Good light headphones In-reply-to: <9A08E746-BC0A-43EF-89F6-A5B007BF5159@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070801100230.040fd688@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_d+SPlMR7CBEqFhItvi4hnA)" References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> <9A08E746-BC0A-43EF-89F6-A5B007BF5159@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <385LwC.A.SRE.-4EsGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:11:27 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_d+SPlMR7CBEqFhItvi4hnA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Per or anyone using in-ear monitoring for gigs. Would you have any recommendations for a good system that doesn't cost the earth. BART At 10:01 01/08/2007, Per Boysen wrote: >But they are closed over the ear. Do you really think they will let >Marks ears breathe? >As for myself I already have all the headphones I need. I find the >in- ears better to use over a long time period; more cool and more >musical sounding. Not as flat of course as the studio cans I have. > >Per > > >On 1 aug 2007, at 10.54, Randolf Arriola wrote: > >>Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :) >> >>Randolf Arriola (Singapore) >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm >>http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM >>Subject: Re: Good light headphones >> >> >>>On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>>>Any >>>>recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow >>>>one's ears >>>>to breathe? Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem. >>>I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they >>>are better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my >>>Beyerdynamic DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use >>>them with my iPod every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. > --Boundary_(ID_d+SPlMR7CBEqFhItvi4hnA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Per or anyone using in-ear monitoring for gigs. Would you have any recommendations for a good system that doesn't cost the earth.

BART

At 10:01 01/08/2007, Per Boysen wrote:
But they are closed over the ear. Do you really think they will let 
Marks ears breathe?
As for myself I already have all the headphones I need. I find the in- ears better to use over a long time period; more cool and more 
musical sounding. Not as flat of course as the studio cans I have.

Per


On 1 aug 2007, at 10.54, Randolf Arriola wrote:

Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :)

Randolf Arriola (Singapore)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Good light headphones


On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
Any
recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow  
one's ears
to breathe?  Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem.
I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they 
are  better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my  
Beyerdynamic DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use 
them  with my iPod every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart.

--Boundary_(ID_d+SPlMR7CBEqFhItvi4hnA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 09:12:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2A813BF1D; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:12:35 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Good light headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <045201c7d41c$1a5fb080$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> <9A08E746-BC0A-43EF-89F6-A5B007BF5159@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Per, the HD25 Sp headphones sit on the ears quite comfortably and do not cover over the ears. Randolf Arriola (Singapore) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Good light headphones > But they are closed over the ear. Do you really think they will let Marks > ears breathe? > As for myself I already have all the headphones I need. I find the in- > ears better to use over a long time period; more cool and more musical > sounding. Not as flat of course as the studio cans I have. > > Per > > > On 1 aug 2007, at 10.54, Randolf Arriola wrote: > >> Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :) >> >> Randolf Arriola (Singapore) >> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm >> http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: Good light headphones >> >> >>> On 1 aug 2007, at 00.13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>>> Any >>>> recommendations of a decent pair of studio headphones that allow >>>> one's ears >>>> to breathe? Audio getting in isn't that much of a problem. >>> I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they are >>> better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my Beyerdynamic >>> DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use them with my iPod >>> every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. >>> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 10:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53FF93BF12; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011401c7d429$40eb2b50$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: Subject: Re: augustus loop, abelton live & the FCB1010 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:46:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0111_01C7D43A.042EB4F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:47:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C7D43A.042EB4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Sophie.=20 You can check the looper device comparison chart, made by Per Boysen to = get some ideas about what you need:=20 http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Second, check http://www.zoekeating.com/ . Zoe is a vey good cello player and a very expert looper too. You'll love = what she is able to do. Maybe you can contact her to get some = informations. Good luck fabio www.eterogeneo.com =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sophie Adamus=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: augustus loop, abelton live & the FCB1010 I am new to all of the above programs (ableton live, augustus loop and = FCB1010) I play the cello and want to record a loop, stop the loop and = record another loop over the top of that (etc...) but also be able to = effect each layer as I go... hopefully using the foot controller. Any = ideas?=20 sophie=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Welcome, Sophie. =
You can check the = looper device=20 comparison chart, made by Per Boysen to get some ideas about what you = need:=20
http://www.looproom.com/= looperchart.php
 
Second, check http://www.zoekeating.com/ .=
Zoe is a vey good cello = player and=20 a very expert looper too. You'll love what she is able to do. Maybe you = can=20 contact her to get some informations.
 
Good luck
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sophie Adamus
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, = 2007 10:58=20 AM
Subject: augustus loop, abelton = live=20 & the FCB1010

I am new to all of the above programs (ableton live, = augustus=20 loop and FCB1010) I play the cello and want to record a loop, stop the = loop=20 and record another loop over the top of that (etc...) but also be able = to=20 effect each layer as I go... hopefully using the foot controller. Any = ideas?=20
sophie=20

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, = 2007 10:58=20 AM
Subject: augustus loop, abelton = live=20 & the FCB1010

I am new to all of the above programs (ableton live, = augustus=20 loop and FCB1010) I play the cello and want to record a loop, stop the = loop=20 and record another loop over the top of that (etc...) but also be able = to=20 effect each layer as I go... hopefully using the foot controller. Any = ideas?=20
sophie=20

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------=_NextPart_000_015D_01C7D43A.C55B86D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 11:02:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE9863BF25; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016a01c7d42b$6017e750$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: about RADIAL ? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:01:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7D43C.237D02B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <0sOG6B.A.7DD.rgGsGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:02:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7D43C.237D02B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 anyone using Radial ? http://cycling74.com/products/radial#features Opinions ? fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7D43C.237D02B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people, =
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Opinions ?
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7D43C.237D02B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 11:04:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC1C3BF2F; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 638089185 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Residents Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:04:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72047C5EA7@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Residents Thread-Index: AcfUK8tOTk2hj8icT3aW/QTCdd/vMg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2007 11:04:56.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBA503E0:01C7D42B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:04:59 +0000 (UTC) "skinny was born in a bath-tub & he grew so incredibly thin that even the end of an eye-dropper sucked.. him.. in...." ah yes.=20 I saw them in 1989 at sadler's wells theatre. sitting in front of me was the slightly balding legend pete shelley, founder of the buzzcocks.=20 the show was "the king & eye", & it was quite a shock (to my system, anyway) to hear that familiar voice at such close quarters & still not be able to discern any features. there's an excellent book about the whole residents/ralph records story, the name of which escapes me now, & which my copy is out on loan somewhere. I'd have to say that my favourite period was the 70s era, up to "the commercial album", I'd say.=20 santa dog '78, constantinople, 6 things to a cycle & so on. almost back on topic there..... d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 13:53:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672163BF04; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Pgz/VDp7jnGj02rkBkF3DEvrWTEq8N3U7wX1lhB1BJDMRiKoqST1L4nXV/7en7PEOC75n7VPwrW9zdNk/UXBX6kD3FAFspxfSojx9NvoOZB5OvncyvPBcJaAtKH0W00hBOjixWXc8OkJ9np9ZBPT3Y/sHE5VH7okU4sw6O3gbjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BUsHddjKCCTIMRtnf54NaiIeCLshw5F7ZF64ncUak0NlUYs12k9KysS5JaLqso8t933Y87yxe3d3gBnzyBXLsoif151UYzjU4BNMJvNr+3mA4DledarXxCeg7JqA0ahi/XFWiTDxjz5mHiP/B8XXN4/XeA5klM6oG4m8dMBMpK0= Message-ID: <15d0840708010653j4b054f63sb71e94faef57903c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:53:32 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: general question about equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57861_10642656.1185976412069" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57861_10642656.1185976412069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am a guitar player, but I am looking to expand my capabilities with another loopstation, sound manipulation device or sampler. 1. I currently play with a Boss RC 20xl. I have no complaints. Its clearly a matter of personal preference, but what are your opinions about the best guitar delay unit along in the same category as the 20xl. Adai just came out again with the headrush E2, anyone have any opinions on it? 2. I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to create more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and create beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and looking for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn with? I guess it would have to be a hand operated unit. 3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to record, but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software begins and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, samplers, etc. What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you would need is a sampler and looper live. 4. Thank you in advance. I would appreciate any help and or opinions. -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_57861_10642656.1185976412069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

I am a guitar player, but I am looking to expand my capabilities with another loopstation, sound manipulation device or sampler.
 
1. I currently play with a Boss RC 20xl. I have no complaints. Its clearly a matter of personal preference, but what are your opinions about the best guitar delay unit along in the same category as the 20xl.  Adai just came out again with the headrush E2, anyone have any opinions on it?
 
2. I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to create more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and create beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and looking for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn with? I guess it would have to be a hand operated unit.  
 
3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to record, but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software begins and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, samplers, etc. What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you would need is a sampler and looper live.
 
4. Thank you in advance. I would appreciate any help and or opinions.
--
Matt H. Johnson
------=_Part_57861_10642656.1185976412069-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:21:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C663BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: yM30cx8VM1mq59FLZoulE1rlqc9aeUu.BVnmPDuQJJq4mOl1ZxJ3YYIXn3RLnZ3nnPP.CElchn7LKoydvG_29GIyAKFPXdjCTnYKFz._GqumzpyH1X42aiv8Lyx_ToQOB1w- Message-ID: <46B0A508.1030507@owengreen.net> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:21:44 +0100 From: Owen Green User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: about RADIAL ? References: <016a01c7d42b$6017e750$4001a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <016a01c7d42b$6017e750$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Fabio, I've been using it for a bit under a year now, both with pre-trimmed material, and for building up loops on the fly. If what you want to do is something fairly free-form then it's great (although not without its quirks). I sometimes use it at the same time as Live, as they make different things easier, and home-made max patches. I would recommend trying the demo. Best, Owen e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Hi people, > anyone using Radial ? > http://cycling74.com/products/radial#features > Opinions ? > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 15:24:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A1F3BF08; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AtvShtX0aA7D4jrMCR17O8Wq9mtkdopCC7KTL13NrmTofhXwbGd/IkSmNH+MTb89sN5+WDNm1ch20KI0+3/HRqXhG8F7tZrzpzwkGu2ibPecVxqFXJro0H2/luc0TGpfa5mGEVjoiaEaLygaL0Upn5M/xQVeN/XFxSfjFzbe48s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HMLTbhZYXQTgDcgqLcXoicx02tWE/a/U+ik4qydL1aTb9FpsHENd9Fe8aAw2VtIYzzxxZH5cNni89k8bUCAIYAgiICEtgdfZNUFcAZuG//fchcjw1yXUI3q4EuyuZ15YlVbzQAU8qNVGV3MqgvfAqkaNOD7kmxR34biE39N9c48= Message-ID: <4759e5740708010824h118a0107v75e32a0ed60e5de3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:24:38 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: about RADIAL ? In-Reply-To: <46B0A508.1030507@owengreen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20790_20061577.1185981878170" References: <016a01c7d42b$6017e750$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <46B0A508.1030507@owengreen.net> Resent-Message-ID: <03UiJ.A.XAC.3WKsGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20790_20061577.1185981878170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all... I use it too.. beta-tested it when it was in the womb... it's a great program, and I second what Owen has said, including trying the demo... it's stable, too... t. On 8/1/07, Owen Green wrote: > > Hi Fabio, > > I've been using it for a bit under a year now, both with pre-trimmed > material, and for building up loops on the fly. If what you want to do > is something fairly free-form then it's great (although not without its > quirks). I sometimes use it at the same time as Live, as they make > different things easier, and home-made max patches. > > I would recommend trying the demo. > > Best, > Owen > > e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > > Hi people, > > anyone using Radial ? > > http://cycling74.com/products/radial#features > > Opinions ? > > > > fabio > > www.eterogeneo.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_20790_20061577.1185981878170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all... I use it too.. beta-tested it when it was in the womb...

it's a great program, and I second what Owen has said, including trying the demo...

it's stable, too...

t.


On 8/1/07, Owen Green <owen@owengreen.net> wrote:
Hi Fabio,

I've been using it for a bit under a year now, both with pre-trimmed
material, and for building up loops on the fly. If what you want to do
is something fairly free-form then it's great (although not without its
quirks). I sometimes use it at the same time as Live, as they make
different things easier, and home-made max patches.

I would recommend trying the demo.

Best,
Owen

e t e r o g e n e o wrote:
> Hi people,
> anyone using Radial ?
> http://cycling74.com/products/radial#features
> Opinions ?
>
> fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_20790_20061577.1185981878170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 16:07:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3CD3BEFB; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfUVgreL3jQJMTdSvS/Asv8JIObTA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm starting to prepare a small gig which will focus on field recordings. http://kleine-frf.blogspot.com Instead of just staring at my notebook with Ableton Live or something, and playing the stored field recordings, I think I will use my midified guitar to make it potentially more interesting, with different notes triggering different samples (of field recordings) ... and of course it would be nice to loop them ... maybe I'll add a little bit guitar. So the notebook (Windoze) would have to a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some sampling software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly incoming audio from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to be controlled by a midi footpedal. So two different kinds of midi input would be necessary. I have no idea if and how this is possible. Ideas anyone? and would a not-too-generously-equipped notebook be able to handle all these tasks at all? At the moment, it seems more realistic to use the notebook just as a sampler, and use my EDP (hmmm ... mono only ... maybe in conjunction with my trusty old Paradis looper?) to loop the notebook's output. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 16:10:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8097C3BEFB; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XCorwHkUfeGx+JNH3TPMKulvWfiNwv9XhTqNkkiNRA4Rv21InojzCz5OANfOBzPCece+L0iiCB5J+cmXrSS1DjKxs09m3Sx76PBLukf/I3NFeYZoFOc4+xHfgZinbYpOlXFUmL+JsmptEI5esRtUcR1Zth6IqSoFHOmKQir77MY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HFI6yR54q5vkneeEm78b8mQDdsJxO1+NMkIRgOP8XP+/dGXe+SaN/RR8lhCXZwsHNoIOk1f84rEIYAnYVb8WS6N6amC9+YGbs9EtHC1pesUBGKPSApNn9IlCGoSj+oGgpKFn7UX8X7ca60iRPuB/sFN8/1wutvvB66ES/dbOhXw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:10:53 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment In-Reply-To: <15d0840708010653j4b054f63sb71e94faef57903c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <15d0840708010653j4b054f63sb71e94faef57903c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d7dc2dd02b005547 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:10:55 +0000 (UTC) > What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you would need > is a sampler and looper live. The laptops are being used as samplers and loopers! And as effect processors, sync generators, mixers, you name it. A laptop is always going to be your most flexible choice. The battle is finding the software that you get on with, and an interface (foot switches etc.) that let you control it adequately. os. On 01/08/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > I am a guitar player, but I am looking to expand my capabilities with > another loopstation, sound manipulation device or sampler. > > 1. I currently play with a Boss RC 20xl. I have no complaints. Its clearly a > matter of personal preference, but what are your opinions about the best > guitar delay unit along in the same category as the 20xl. Adai just came > out again with the headrush E2, anyone have any opinions on it? > > 2. I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to create > more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and create > beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and looking > for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn with? I > guess it would have to be a hand operated unit. > > 3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to record, > but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software begins > and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, samplers, etc. > What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you would need > is a sampler and looper live. > > 4. Thank you in advance. I would appreciate any help and or opinions. > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 16:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 628443BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cRBcexoOkpW+EDBkt9vOSS0xTS0YIAHhblOdlHqgxC6geom2jBpK2/CdG8eBfEltXhjV8jGY2JJDjCGCj4f1/+yrvvpMr6xWD/8A0v2CD6k3XQgOO4MsnqemXP1cP8qioVIe6wgarCtwMuEa1IKqtyM79C6R05WS3Q6kVH62V5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ICOHt4n7C7xkWq2jV4n+zmBZFh1z7Bsxh+OUXAyFP/Vco5Mma33M27adxK9PIHcbu5Y390klQMCkSYcAd9SsG7YSwjUV8faoZU+EyPqk1oIrXn4mSZN7j7XF/N2CILFGXOI5Nfq5n7H0qeA7B1VKdSu0PKn8tOkzU/LDIgtgFJs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:51:05 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC as sampler plus Moebius? In-Reply-To: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:51:08 +0000 (UTC) I think the answer to your question is Ableton Live. Go to their site and look at the demos and see if it suits you. On 8/1/07, Michael Peters wrote: > I'm starting to prepare a small gig which will focus on field recordings. > http://kleine-frf.blogspot.com > > Instead of just staring at my notebook with Ableton Live or something, and > playing the stored field recordings, I think I will use my midified guitar > to make it potentially more interesting, with different notes triggering > different samples (of field recordings) ... and of course it would be nice > to loop them ... maybe I'll add a little bit guitar. > > So the notebook (Windoze) would have to > > a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some sampling > software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally > > b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly incoming audio > from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to be > controlled by a midi footpedal. > > So two different kinds of midi input would be necessary. I have no idea if > and how this is possible. Ideas anyone? and would a > not-too-generously-equipped notebook be able to handle all these tasks at > all? > > At the moment, it seems more realistic to use the notebook just as a > sampler, and use my EDP (hmmm ... mono only ... maybe in conjunction with my > trusty old Paradis looper?) to loop the notebook's output. > > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > -- --- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 16:51:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58EA3BF14; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:51:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c7d45c$3fd74220$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> thread-index: AcfUVgreL3jQJMTdSvS/Asv8JIObTAABbsMg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Not only would that work, but I use it that way all the time. I take = the output of a Behringer FCB1010 (that's got a button that's crapping out = now damn it!) and run it into a Novation SL MIDI controller. Many will = probably work just as well, but I love the fact that it's technology automaps = itself to my VSTs and the keyboard feels the best to me. That and a sampler and your set. I like Kontakt, but you could probably = do just as well with a simpler piece of software. Some DAWs/hosts even = include one. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:07 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: PC as sampler plus Moebius? I'm starting to prepare a small gig which will focus on field = recordings. http://kleine-frf.blogspot.com Instead of just staring at my notebook with Ableton Live or something, = and playing the stored field recordings, I think I will use my midified = guitar to make it potentially more interesting, with different notes triggering different samples (of field recordings) ... and of course it would be = nice to loop them ... maybe I'll add a little bit guitar.=20 So the notebook (Windoze) would have to=20 a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some = sampling software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly incoming = audio from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to be controlled by a midi footpedal. So two different kinds of midi input would be necessary. I have no idea = if and how this is possible. Ideas anyone? and would a not-too-generously-equipped notebook be able to handle all these tasks = at all? At the moment, it seems more realistic to use the notebook just as a sampler, and use my EDP (hmmm ... mono only ... maybe in conjunction = with my trusty old Paradis looper?) to loop the notebook's output. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1E63BF0A; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:19:09 +0100 To: Loopers From: roger Subject: Decline of the record industry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A3F2971 Message-Id: <20070801161904.A6E47C5C57@mra05.ch.as12513.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi All Personally I will not spend much time worrying about the overblown record companies and the like crying about the end of the record market. Its about time. The world changes all the time and the 'record industry is only a recent event.' Its seems that musicians(artists) will have to go back to entertaining people. Which is what they are doing. The number of live concerts and festivals seems to be greater than ever this year.(in the UK ) Shame about the weather. More and more artists are recording their own material and selling it direct to the public. The true artist will survive and improve. I class mixers djs, vjs and anyone who manipulates or creates sound as a musical artist I used to earn more when busking than I do now. -Just my 2c's - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/929 - Release Date: 7/31/2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:11:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547923BF19; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:11:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Thread-Topic: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Thread-Index: AcfUVgreL3jQJMTdSvS/Asv8JIObTAABzPzw References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:11:44 +0000 (UTC) > So the notebook (Windoze) would have to=20 > > a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some sampling > software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally >=20 > b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly incoming audio > from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to= be > controlled by a midi footpedal. As others have mentioned, there are more powerful sample-playback options out there, but Mobius does have a little used feature that allows you to load up 10 samples that play from start to end whenever they are triggered. The samples don't loop, but they are routed into the input mix so you can record them along with any other live signal into a loop. The samples can also be "stacked" which means if you trigger one before the last one finishes they will overlay, which can create interesting polyrhythms of done carefully. The main limitation is that there is no level control. You have to prepare them outside Mobius to play at the level you want, and if you're going to play more than one at a time you have to very careful not to overload the mix. This is used mostly for my testing, so I have a way to record things into a loop without having to move away from the keyboard and play an instrument. But I've often wondered if this could be improved and made into a more useful performance tool. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:43:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03DED3BF16; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:43:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+U5AlxuZmrrJj2tCqUm9s2cm53KRDxn1HPtzs 9ow0P5PLR+N3kKnM4PWJN/1JRQ55AdCgNeIBzPNG2cTXxzdWma eBGtqGhdpU/QFTxm8L6otI7BcKIWmNr Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC) hi there, has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? i want to get around a monster like fcb to minimize my set up. (after i had this gig where had to stomp around on a usb computer keyboard, the idea came up to build something proper that uses usb) i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ my plan is to have 7 footswitches for moebius and a footpedal for pitch shifting, etc. i'll report when i have the first results. if anybody has done similar, please let me know. (i have some questions. f.e. - the controller wants a linear potentiometer, but all effect pedals i looked at have logarithmic potis. can i use one anyway?) smooth looping - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 17:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6D483BF0A; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: Whtf1X00J0ASqTN0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:53:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Cc: In-Reply-To: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070801175353.4BAB03BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:53:53 +0000 (UTC) As a matter of fact, I'm in the process of building my own hybrid software/hardware controller right now. I'm basing mine on the monome (8x8 button matrix logic board): http://monome.org/40h/kit The joystick looks interesting too. And it is already built... I've got to solder my monome board kit... Ahhh - but the monome has support for 8x8 grid of LEDs too. My plan is for 18 switches (I won't be using all 64 possible buttons) with LEDs and 4 expression pedal inputs. How are you going to translate USB input into MIDI or keystrokes or whatever? sean At 2007.08.01 10:43 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: >hi there, >has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? >i want to get around a monster like fcb to minimize my set up. >(after i had this gig where had to stomp around on a usb computer >keyboard, the idea came up to build something proper that uses usb) > >i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ >my plan is to have 7 footswitches for moebius and a footpedal for >pitch shifting, etc. >i'll report when i have the first results. > >if anybody has done similar, please let me know. >(i have some questions. f.e. - the controller wants a linear >potentiometer, but all effect pedals i looked at have logarithmic >potis. can i use one anyway?) > >smooth looping - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 18:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62513BF0A; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9470EE30-9B66-4552-BD83-4B803F9E426B@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:03:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:03:22 +0000 (UTC) I am *very* excited about these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8e46/ Frag Pedals - made for video game play and are said to be very rugged I'm ordering them today and will let the group know how they work. You can program several keystroke functions per switch. craig On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > hi there, > has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? > i want to get around a monster like fcb to minimize my set up. > (after i had this gig where had to stomp around on a usb computer > keyboard, the idea came up to build something proper that uses usb) > > i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ > my plan is to have 7 footswitches for moebius and a footpedal for > pitch shifting, etc. > i'll report when i have the first results. > > if anybody has done similar, please let me know. > (i have some questions. f.e. - the controller wants a linear > potentiometer, but all effect pedals i looked at have logarithmic > potis. can i use one anyway?) > > smooth looping - tilmann > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 19:55:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3694D3BF04; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OnJjPnz1LMMaXXG24N5EdqjYiupqdmxKPnI759sSXK8ep1tywZCPT6ahfhq/Yc3jqcdOQN/ztJlDWOSjC3Hx7d4sLMzom9efQUOZmJfgyNWiwNxQPauLyXxMC2QKxZFTHV2PgIsgLgKw247ZbwEd/cyoq+2l5+iiy+tIVQJ58f8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=azE/5nDMRqDIyaNVTN7TwxaY/537b5rxJ4buTQXvbG1ImRR/mJfJzq2OyYfCePSmmPSxUQp8d4n4LJyxwB8E9+bdFVRwcrxeLRbRBd92ZyIOfKmTxoet1ROHwFDzw6LT40V1pVoFYNX5I3quOthYhTi8/GNP1K3k/fNa8F0QD5Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10450C7A-7767-4425-93DD-09F64DCAEC62@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:54:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8YdIKC.A.OF.yUOsGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:55:31 +0000 (UTC) On 1 aug 2007, at 18.07, Michael Peters wrote: > Instead of just staring at my notebook with Ableton Live or > something, and > playing the stored field recordings, I think I will use my midified > guitar > to make it potentially more interesting, with different notes > triggering > different samples (of field recordings) ... and of course it would > be nice > to loop them ... maybe I'll add a little bit guitar. Cool! That's exactly what I did in a live project 1990. I had a hardware sampler and sent each guitar string on over a dedicated MIDI channel. Then I had different field recordings saved as stereo files and mapped to different frets on the strings. I had a lot of floppy discs with different sample mappings setups. All discs looked the same and my idea was to pick one and start playing guitar without actually knowing at exactly witch fret the different samples wold be triggered. It worked for a while but I couldn't help learning it in detail and then the surprise factor was gone ;-) > a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some > sampling > software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally > > b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly > incoming audio > from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to be > controlled by a midi footpedal. Since you say "PC" I guess your laptop runs Windows and then you can run Mobius. An easy solution would be to use Ableton Live, because it comes with a built-in rudimentary but good enough (for your purpose) sampler. So if you put the field recordings in that sampler and map them to MIDI channels and note numbers as you find convenient you can use the track aux send knob to send signal form that into Mobius VST on a parallel track. It will take you some three days to set up to perfection, I guess. > At the moment, it seems more realistic to use the notebook just as a > sampler, and use my EDP (hmmm ... mono only ... maybe in > conjunction with my > trusty old Paradis looper?) to loop the notebook's output. If you think it is more realistic I'm sure it really is more realistic! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 20:16:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847683BF00; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SQrHmWMTVuTzSH/2gcORHh2MT0F05ut7MBcNFAqWLpzZHs/OmwXzWJd0AdPeudAQpREqpVW0j5foMSUsdk6670FLT2V/7kk9ZhU6dPKbZHJyAMrLMD6hmsrsZ/kZqRhnAucJ3lald9SNkfzQLz6Td4iPDg8iBHXge/LXd9SFDUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UbshrJwlEUsvQFn+erHKuLXcN2+GVhMb+ag9SC6a7YDgIe9/sXnMhgzY+ts7rC93sD4Gbi4fvGR/ssIaYfiwoYK4TJNECkBaDXZMxe4TMPnHdH5VGX7aGOEmFn8Bf452pU2b2jT57lFvn8RZvHs2ik5kxytSpab2mO3dkOP+ZDI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6479E5BE-C6EB-4983-BB96-120EEFC8C7A2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:16:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:16:32 +0000 (UTC) On 1 aug 2007, at 18.07, Michael Peters wrote: > Instead of just staring at my notebook with Ableton Live or > something, and > playing the stored field recordings, I think I will use my midified > guitar > to make it potentially more interesting, with different notes > triggering > different samples (of field recordings) Cool! That's exactly what I did in a live project 1990. I had a hardware sampler and sent each guitar string on over a dedicated MIDI channel. Then I had different field recordings saved as stereo files and mapped to different frets on the strings. I had a lot of floppy discs with different sample mappings setups. All discs looked the same and my idea was to pick one and start playing guitar without actually knowing at exactly witch fret the different samples wold be triggered. It worked for a while but I couldn't help learning it in detail and then the surprise factor was gone ;-) > a) take in midi signals from the guitar midi controller, and some > sampling > software on the notebook would then play back the samples, and ideally > > b) take the output from the sampling software, plus possibly > incoming audio > from the guitar, and loop both of it in Moebius which would have to be > controlled by a midi footpedal. Since you say "PC" I guess your laptop runs Windows and then you can run Mobius. An easy solution would be to use Ableton Live, because it comes with a built-in rudimentary but good enough (for your purpose) sampler. So if you put the field recordings in that sampler and map them to MIDI channels and note numbers as you find convenient you can use the track aux send knob to send signal form that into Mobius VST on a parallel track. It will take you some three days to set up to perfection, I guess. > At the moment, it seems more realistic to use the notebook just as a > sampler, and use my EDP (hmmm ... mono only ... maybe in > conjunction with my > trusty old Paradis looper?) to loop the notebook's output. If you think it is more realistic I'm sure it really is more realistic! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 21:06:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35EBE3BF01; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:06:46 -0600 Message-Id: <200708012106.l71L6k8M011847@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: OT: Adrenalinn II FS X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:06:48 +0000 (UTC) I thought I'd send this out to you folks before I ebay it. I have an Adrenalinn II (blue model with software upgrade) that I realized I'm never going to make the most of so if anyone is interested in a beat synced effects box with some pretty deep programming options, I'll ship it anywhere in the Cont.US for $240 (or best reasonable offer). Drop me a line if you're interested and we can go from there (I've been here on the list for a while and have good feedback on Ebay if you want to check me out - kevin3td4). Thanks, and sorry for this commercial intrusion, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 23:15:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00CDF3BEFA; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40745DA2-1F95-4190-BEA8-78E940B62B86@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:15:27 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:15:32 +0000 (UTC) I had planned to attend this one-week-course "build your own USB controller": http://www.homemade-labor.ch/d/events/2007/romainmotier.php but unfortunately missed it. This is the beta documentation: http://anyma.dyndns.org/gnusb/ Bernhard On 01.08.2007, at 19:43, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > hi there, > has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 23:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C5B3BEFB; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: PC as sampler plus Moebius? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:29:08 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c7d493$c5da7d60$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <008701c7d469$e0d21f30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> thread-index: AcfUX859Z1HWhtyuSfCZBQY65O+QtgACROnAAAqYmqA= Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:29:21 +0000 (UTC) The FCB has a midi in and will merge your Axon with it's own MIDI. I use Live because it's got a nice user friendly interface, but if you = don't mind getting your hands dirty, people like Per do amazing things with = Bidule and I think Kris uses Max. I'm a simple dolt though, and like pictures = of knobs and faders and what not. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:29 AM To: 'Mark Sottilaro' Subject: RE: PC as sampler plus Moebius? > I take the output of a Behringer FCB1010 and run it into a Novation SL MIDI controller. =20 er, which one? the Remote Zero SL has only one Midi in. If I plug my = midi footpedal in, where do I plug the Axon guitar-2-midi in? I need = something that has two midi ins I think. Or would I use the Midi thru for that? = hmm ... this midi thing is still a mystery to me unless it is a dead simple configuration. and do you use some host software to control the signal flow? = Audiomulch, or Bidule? =09 -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 1 23:46:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFCA3BF0A; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c7d496$2f06b4a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <40745DA2-1F95-4190-BEA8-78E940B62B86@bernhardwagner.net> Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:46:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19fuOr5trLsVsKC5hnG0Y4noMjSJ2JfXPuRwjq p2cP9+gdRHSBY6TSsGet8+PWVwcVUsrk1jPUTU1m7Ph5/RFlNu n1BoicUfdO40B7K3xX/OeTHmme5qfJK Resent-Message-ID: <9HSY_C.A.x4E.UtRsGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:46:28 +0000 (UTC) thank you guys, for all the positive input. man, i would have liked to attend that workshop, too. looks like exactly what i want to learn/build... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? > > I had planned to attend this one-week-course "build your own USB > controller": > http://www.homemade-labor.ch/d/events/2007/romainmotier.php > but unfortunately missed it. > > This is the beta documentation: > http://anyma.dyndns.org/gnusb/ > > Bernhard > > On 01.08.2007, at 19:43, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> hi there, >> has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? > From secure@e-gold.com Thu Aug 2 00:57:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1149 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:57:21 UTC Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AA03BEC1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 00:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DABF0380DF; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:37:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B29037F43; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:37:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cederberg.nu (h253n2fls31o806.telia.com [217.210.1.253]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB3E37E44; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from User ([86.122.175.107]) by cederberg.nu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:31:18 +0200 From: "E-gold" Subject: Re-Update your E-gold account Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 03:31:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2007 00:31:18.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[71A11FC0:01C7D49C] To: undisclosed-recipients: ;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 05:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23133BEE6; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed89f3dc-4dc4-4920-8055-d49388726f3d_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.210.70] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:40:12 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2007 05:40:12.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[989265A0:01C7D4C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:40:15 +0000 (UTC) --_ed89f3dc-4dc4-4920-8055-d49388726f3d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 hey ..... I'm right in the middle of doing that too. I ordered a few diffe= rent microcontrollers and have been working through the codes ... here is o= ne website that I found particularly useful: =20 http://picusb.blogspot.com/2007/04/starting-from-scratch-with-picdem-usb.ht= ml =20 The guy has a blog taking you through all the stepps of putting a USB devic= e together ... of course, it's much more userful if you have microchip demo= board (PICDEM) .... which only run about $75. =20 If anyone else is seriously working on building a USB device, I would love = to correspond and share progress ..... probably should do that off the list= though. =20 Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Missed the show?=A0 Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com= --_ed89f3dc-4dc4-4920-8055-d49388726f3d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
 
hey ..... I'm right in the middle of doing t= hat too.  I ordered a few different microcontrollers and have been wor= king through the codes ... here is one website that I found particularly us= eful:
 
http://picusb.blogspot.com/20= 07/04/starting-from-scratch-with-picdem-usb.html
 
The guy has a blog taking you through all th= e stepps of putting a USB device together ... of course, it's much more use= rful if you have microchip demoboard (PICDEM) .... which only run about $75= .
 
If anyone else is seriously working on build= ing a USB device, I would love to correspond and share progress ..... proba= bly should do that off the list though.
 
Aaron


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Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today, I will also fill in from 10 am to noon. Woo-HOO!!! Love that extra air time to expose more people to Progressive Rock. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Wahnfried" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ======================================================================= All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 13:35:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0299F3BEF3; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:35:23 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186061723" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186061723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:53:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, matthjohnson@gmail.com writes: I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to create more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and create beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and looking for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn with? I guess it would have to be a hand operated unit. 3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to record, but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software begins and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, samplers, etc. What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you would need is a sampler and looper live. Matt I know exactly where you are coming from. In the last year or so I have greatly expanded my directional capability as a musician/writer. My technical understanding, although at best in it's infancy, has grown immensely due to this quantum shift. I honestly believe that everything you are looking to do will be found within the realm of software aided musical design and construction. However, your generalized questions in this post cover so much ground that there is simply no way without you being much more specific for me to respond more specifically to your needs. Please answer the following questions briefly. 1) What is the exact nature of the music you are playing? Is it your desire to continue playing with the same musicians or are you hoping to become more self reliant? This question is incredibly important with respect to your approach to live performance. In other words are you looking to be more instrumentally than a guitar player in live situations or will your live discipline include just being a guitarist. 2) Are you primarily using Cubase to record you individually for the purpose of exploratory composition, or are you recording more from a room group simultaneous multi tracked perspective? 3) From a live performance perspective as well as recorded studio material, would you sum up what you are hoping to do as being more improvisational or more so compositionally repeatable? 4) Lastly, and DO NOT answer with a question as to which is best (PLEASE!) will you be using a Mac or a PC laptop if you purchase one for live performance purposes? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186061723 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:53:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 matthjohnson@gmail.com writes:
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I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to crea= te=20 more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and create=20 beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and=20 looking for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn=20 with? I guess it would have to be a hand operated unit.  
 
3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to=20 record, but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software= =20 begins and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, sample= rs,=20 etc. What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you woul= d=20 need is a sampler and looper live.
Matt
I know exactly where you are coming from. In the last year or=20 so I have greatly expanded my directional capability as a=20 musician/writer. My technical understanding, although at best in it's infanc= y,=20 has grown immensely due to this quantum shift.
  I honestly believe that everything you are looking to=20 do will be found within the realm of software aided musical design and=20 construction. However, your generalized questions in this post cover so= =20 much ground that there is simply no way without you being much more specific= for=20 me to respond more specifically to your needs.
 
Please answer the following questions briefly.
 
1) What is the exact nature of the music you are playing? Is it your de= sire=20 to continue playing with the same musicians or are you hoping to become= =20 more self reliant? This question is incredibly important with respect to you= r=20 approach to live performance. In other words are you looking to be more=20 instrumentally than a guitar player in live situations or will your live=20 discipline include just being a guitarist.   
 
2) Are you primarily using Cubase to record you individually for t= he=20 purpose of exploratory composition, or are you recording more from a room gr= oup=20 simultaneous multi tracked perspective? 
 
3) From a live performance perspective as well as recorded studio=20 material, would you sum up what you are hoping to do as being more=20 improvisational or more so compositionally repeatable?
 
4) Lastly, and DO NOT answer with a question as to which is best (PLEAS= E!)=20 will you be using a Mac or a PC laptop if you purchase one for live performa= nce=20 purposes?  



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-------------------------------1186061723-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 15:39:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E65C3BF04; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c7d51b$52440050$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <670959.22481.qm@web45305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:39:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7D4E0.A5B58CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7D4E0.A5B58CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds cool, Adam. How do you do it in Cubase? =20 I've done some controlling of the Echoplex within Ableton Live by = setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain things. Then when = I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in Live. Tom P.S. Glad to be back! Thanks, Rick! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Is there anyone who uses Cubase to control an Echoplex? I finally figured out how to do it (thanks to this list) - it has = opened up all new possibilities for me. I can sync to Cubase clocks and = have note-on off messages sent to execute commands all synced to my drum = track. Anyone else doing this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see = what's on, when. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7D4E0.A5B58CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds cool, Adam.  How do = you do it=20 in Cubase? 
 
I've done some controlling of the = Echoplex within=20 Ableton Live by setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain=20 things.  Then when I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in=20 Live.
 
Tom
 
P.S. Glad to be back!  Thanks,=20 Rick!
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Adam Hart=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, = 2007 10:53=20 PM
Subject: Controlling Echoplex = w/=20 Cubase

Is there anyone who uses Cubase to control an Echoplex?

I = finally=20 figured out how to do it (thanks to this list) - it has opened up all = new=20 possibilities for me.  I can sync to Cubase clocks and have = note-on off=20 messages sent to execute commands all synced to my drum = track.

Anyone=20 else doing this?

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TV's Comedy=20 with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7D4E0.A5B58CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 16:28:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C5F3BEE6; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c7d522$33fd9690$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <670959.22481.qm@web45305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:28:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:28:44 +0000 (UTC) done that long time ago on cubase vst32 if you want my EDP drum map just ask I'll post it somewhere probably not compatible with the current versions Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Hart" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Is there anyone who uses Cubase to control an Echoplex? I finally figured out how to do it (thanks to this list) - it has opened up all new possibilities for me. I can sync to Cubase clocks and have note-on off messages sent to execute commands all synced to my drum track. Anyone else doing this? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 19:00:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FE43BEF4; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:00:17 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186081217" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186081217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are very much on right track Matt. These are my recommendations and maybe others more knowledgeable than myself will sound off their input as well. If you are going to be an active live performance musician that reaps the most from his/her bountiful imagination's independent research, you NEED a laptop. Don't believe anyone that says you do not. Whether you get a Mac or a PC is entirely personal preference. There is positively no greater benefit from choosing either type of portable computational device. Anyone, and I repeat ANYONE that says different is just tootn' their own horn for the sake of hearing it. The key is: You MUST by a computer that can readily facilitate your needs as a musician via it's configuration. This means spending at least 2000.00 on a computer. Period. Anything less, unless you are a builder, is going to give you headaches a plenty.My specific and most respectful suggestion is that if you quickly and completely come to grips with this. There are many killer and I mean "over the top" smokin' music dedicated PCs available for 2000.00-2500.00. If you choose a Mac, (the highest quality mass assembled computer on the planet - hands down) they start out in this range and go up from there. I don't honestly think a beginner (such as myself) would truly benefit from a Mac 8 core however. Way too many software compatibility issues for the novice computer handler to over come IMO. I would sure as heck never pass up a Mac Book Pro Core 2 duo w/4 Gigs of Ram though. You already named IMO the greatest software tool available to the average musician of any genre. Namely Ableton Live 6.0. Can't be beat. Don't be fooled by any of the moronic and useless discussion about which DAW sound engine sounds best. They are all the same with the true differences being found within the conversion process and initial bit rate. If you come this far you will be confronted with several more necessary evils. Namely a high quality audio/midi interface and what in my opinion is the most amazing part of electronic aided music sculpture, either privately researched or publicly performed. The midi controller.<--Prepare to have thy mind completely BLOWN. As far as your choice of hardware loopers are concerned, what is the current phrase sample length capability of your RC-20? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186081217 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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You are very much on right track Matt. These are my=20 recommendations and maybe others more knowledgeable than myself will so= und=20 off their input as well.
 
If you are going to be an active live performance musician=20 that reaps the most from his/her bountiful imagination's independent=20 research, you NEED a laptop. Don't believe anyone that says you do not. Whet= her=20 you get a Mac or a PC is entirely personal preference. There is positively n= o=20 greater benefit from choosing either type of portable computational device.=20 Anyone, and I repeat ANYONE that says different is just tootn' their own hor= n=20 for the sake of hearing it. The key is: You MUST by a computer that can read= ily=20 facilitate your needs as a musician via it's configuration. This means spend= ing=20 at least 2000.00 on a computer. Period. Anything less, unless you are a buil= der,=20 is going to give you headaches a plenty.My specific and most respectful= =20 suggestion is that if you quickly and completely come to grips with this. Th= ere=20 are many killer and I mean "over the top" smokin' music dedicated PCs availa= ble=20 for 2000.00-2500.00. If you choose a Mac, (the highest quality mass assemble= d=20 computer on the planet - hands down) they start out in this range and go up=20= from=20 there. I don't honestly think a beginner (such as myself) would truly=20 benefit from a Mac 8 core however. Way too many software compatibility issue= s=20 for the novice computer handler to over come IMO. I would sure as heck never= =20 pass up a Mac Book Pro Core 2 duo w/4 Gigs of Ram though.
 
You already named IMO the greatest software tool available to the=20 average musician of any genre. Namely Ableton Live 6.0. Can't be beat. Don't= be=20 fooled by any of the moronic and useless discussion about which DAW sou= nd=20 engine sounds best. They are all the same with the true differences being fo= und=20 within the conversion process and initial bit rate.
 
If you come this far you will be confronted with several more necessary= =20 evils. Namely a high quality audio/midi interface and what in my opinion is=20= the=20 most amazing part of electronic aided music sculpture, either privately=20 researched or publicly performed. The midi controller.<--Prepare to=20= have=20 thy mind completely BLOWN.
 
As far as your choice of hardware loopers are concerned, what is the=20 current phrase sample length capability of your RC-20?=20          


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-------------------------------1186081217-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 19:12:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA683BEF3; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:15:07 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 28, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46B22D3B.7030208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:12:42 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070728.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #114 July 28, 2007. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Jim Cole and Hear Earth Innertones (Spectral Spiral) Spectral Voices Free System Projekt Moyland Part 4 Gent (none) Jim Cole and Arches/Far Journeys Innertones (Spectral Spiral) Spectral Voices Gert Emmens and Regaining Breath in Journey (EH) the Eye of the Storm Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Bruno Sanfillipo Magoria Piano Magoria (ad21) Anushka Shankar Shuddha Sarang Anourag (Angel) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Karfagen Kingfisher and The Space Between Us (Unicorn) Dragonflies Karfagen Retrofall The Space Between Us (Unicorn) Capharnaum Feedback Le Soleil Est Une Bombe Atomique (Unicorn) Capharnaum Un Dimanche Noire a Le Soleil Est Une Bombe St-Zenon Atomique (Unicorn) Capharnaum Caterpiller Le Soleil Est Une Bombe Atomique (Unicorn) Steve Thorne Crossfire Emotional Creatures Volume 2 (Giant Electric Pea) Steve Thorne Roundabout Emotional Creatures Volume 2 (Giant Electric Pea) Seep Purple The Mule Fireball *Warner Brothers) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on August 11. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. 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1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Chinapainting videos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Here are two more vids from our tour. These are interesting (to me anyway) as they show two versions of the same "piece", which is to say, I start with a big G chord, loop it with the cassette, then we go from there. From the WVKR spot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw7aCoCboUg From the Center for Improvised Music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKZF-cICPFQ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 20:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39AF3BF0C; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186087076" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186087076 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are more than capable with your current computer resources to set up, run and learn the Live sequencer Matt. I would recommend one of several inexpensive (200.00 and down) midi controller keyboards that are designed and programmed out of the box to be used with Live. You really cannot begin to experience Live as a true musical resource until you incorporate a controller into your big picture. Impulse (drum program) could not be simpler and for that matter, neither could Simpler or the Instrument Rack. It's just that you will NEVER be able to actually explore these tools to their respective "ends" because their means are practically infinite. You might never leave your studio again! I would not be in any way concerned about upgrading your phrase sampler. According to your description it's MORE than adequate and yes, you can use Live as a floor controlled looper that will cut a perfect loop every time. It's too easy. But you will most likely want to use Mobius because it's a better looper by way of intelligent design. The most important thing about any of this electronic musical hierarchy is to respect it enough to devote real time to it. Musicians have never been afforded the creative possibilities they have at their disposal today. Problem is, most of ends up in their disposals before they even scratch it's surface. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186087076 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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You are more than capable with your current computer resources to set u= p,=20 run and learn the Live sequencer Matt. I would recommend one of several= =20 inexpensive (200.00 and down) midi controller keyboards that are designed an= d=20 programmed out of the box to be used with Live. You really cannot begin to=20 experience Live as a true musical resource until you incorporate a controlle= r=20 into your big picture.   
 
Impulse (drum program) could not be simpler and for that matter, neithe= r=20 could Simpler or the Instrument Rack. It's just that you will NEVER be able=20= to=20 actually explore these tools to their respective "ends" because their means=20= are=20 practically infinite. You might never leave your studio again!
 
I would not be in any way concerned about upgrading your phrase sampler= .=20 According to your description it's MORE than adequate and yes, you can=20= use=20 Live as a floor controlled looper that will cut a perfect loop every time. I= t's=20 too easy. But you will most likely want to use Mobius because it's a be= tter=20 looper by way of intelligent design.
 
The most important thing about any of this electronic musical hierarchy= is=20 to respect it enough to devote real time to it. Musicians have never been=20 afforded the creative possibilities they have at their disposal=20 today. Problem is, most of ends up in their disposals before they even=20 scratch it's surface.



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-------------------------------1186087076-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 2 23:19:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00253BF01; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: Cc: "'Tilmann Dehnhard'" References: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: RE: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <078001c7d55b$815dd920$84198b60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfUY3MGHPhTGOxaQ8qYj82nrtSfOwA9rZwQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:19:06 +0000 (UTC) > i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ That is a *really* nice device, thanks for the link! If anyone's interested in something cheaper (while still having at least 8 switches), some USB game controllers are very easy to hack - here's an $8 one I've used - its circuit board is small and pretty easy to hack on (i.e. solder things in place of its original switches): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FJQ1VS/103-9472172-2599046 ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 01:46:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687BF3BF01; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:46:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: craig@craigmccollough.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9Er5HC.A.AfC.8josGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:46:36 +0000 (UTC) one note on this - the specs say 12Mb connection speed - meaning it's USB 1.0. You wouldn't want to use a USB 2.0 audio interface on the same bus as this device. That said, I think I'll pick one up and have some fun. :-) Cheers! Craig On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > hi there, > has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? > i want to get around a monster like fcb to minimize my set up. > (after i had this gig where had to stomp around on a usb computer > keyboard, the idea came up to build something proper that uses usb) > > i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ > my plan is to have 7 footswitches for moebius and a footpedal for > pitch shifting, etc. > i'll report when i have the first results. > > if anybody has done similar, please let me know. > (i have some questions. f.e. - the controller wants a linear > potentiometer, but all effect pedals i looked at have logarithmic > potis. can i use one anyway?) > > smooth looping - tilmann > From online@sympatico.ca Fri Aug 3 05:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 30702 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:02:47 UTC Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D53BED8; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([64.229.170.14]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20070802203101.QMDC7033.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@User>; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:31:01 -0400 From: "Bank Of America" Subject: Your Online Account is Locked Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:39:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070802203101.QMDC7033.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 05:33:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC433BF05; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3d277f89-aa11-40bc-9796-50f8deacbdd2_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.210.70] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:33:27 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2007 05:33:27.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1B41C70:01C7D58F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:33:29 +0000 (UTC) --_3d277f89-aa11-40bc-9796-50f8deacbdd2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Well ... if you go with midi you are stuck using a slower speed (31 kBits/s= ec).... so I'm kinda a fan of not using midi for most USB devices. Also, i= t's a bit harder to make it use MIDI. =20 The simplest USB device just sends a quick array telling a PC what button(s= ) is currently pushed .... to do this you need to write both the firmware = for the microcontroller, and the response program that runs on the PC. =20 Both seem to be fairly simple programs ... but really I am just putting the= pieces together myself ..... so I am not really sure what sorts of massive= pain in the butt problems might pop up (some always do ... after all ... t= hats the joy of computer programming). =20 But the short answer is yes ... you need to write both the microcontroller = firmware and the computer program to interpret the signal. =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ See what you=92re getting into=85before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507= --_3d277f89-aa11-40bc-9796-50f8deacbdd2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
 
Well ... if you go with midi you are stuck using a slower speed (31 kBits/s= ec).... so I'm kinda a fan of not using midi for most USB devices.  Al= so, it's a bit harder to make it use MIDI.
 
The simplest USB device just sends a quick array telling a PC what but= ton(s) is currently pushed  .... to do this you need to write bot= h the firmware for the microcontroller, and the response program that runs = on the PC.
 
Both seem to be fairly simple programs ... but really I am just putting the= pieces together myself ..... so I am not really sure what sorts of massive= pain in the butt problems might pop up (some always do ... after all ... t= hats the joy of computer programming).
 
But the short answer is yes ... you need to write both the microcontroller = firmware and the computer program to interpret the signal.
 
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_08A9_01C7D556.332ED740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 05:48:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6897E3BF20; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c71bcb9f-a754-4f54-aa99-06d208e6ec81_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.210.70] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: USB controller Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:48:25 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2007 05:48:25.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8F65360:01C7D591] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:48:27 +0000 (UTC) --_c71bcb9f-a754-4f54-aa99-06d208e6ec81_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 This it true too .... =20 I should have said .. the easiest way to put together a custom USB device i= s to hack an existing one (I used an accountants keypad ... which is just t= he 0-9, numlock and a couple other keys) ... pull it apart .... solder some= things on .... then write a program with DirectX or some other C USB libra= ry ..... and that's that. =20 =20 > From: tjt@nosuch.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> CC: tilman= n@dehnhard.com> Subject: RE: anybody built a usb controller, yet?> Date: Th= u, 2 Aug 2007 16:18:48 -0700> > > i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipe= x.com/joystick/> > That is a *really* nice device, thanks for the link!> > = If anyone's interested in something cheaper (while still having at least 8>= switches),> some USB game controllers are very easy to hack - here's an $8= one I've used> - > its circuit board is small and pretty easy to hack on (= i.e. solder things in> place> of its original switches): > > http://www.ama= zon.com/gp/product/B000FJQ1VS/103-9472172-2599046> > ...Tim...>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=3DCLUB_wlmailtextlink= --_c71bcb9f-a754-4f54-aa99-06d208e6ec81_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
 
This it true too ....
 
I should have said .. the easiest way to put together a custom USB device i= s to hack an existing one (I used an accountants keypad ... which is just t= he 0-9, numlock and a couple other keys) ... pull it apart .... solder some= things on .... then write a program with DirectX or some other C USB libra= ry ..... and that's that.
 
 


> From: tjt@nosuch.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com
> CC: tilmann@dehnhard.com
> Subject: RE: anybody built = a usb controller, yet?
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:18:48 -0700
>=
> > i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/
= >
> That is a *really* nice device, thanks for the link!
> =
> If anyone's interested in something cheaper (while still having at= least 8
> switches),
> some USB game controllers are very easy= to hack - here's an $8 one I've used
> -
> its circuit board = is small and pretty easy to hack on (i.e. solder things in
> place> of its original switches):
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp= /product/B000FJQ1VS/103-9472172-2599046
>
> ...Tim...
> =


Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! = --_c71bcb9f-a754-4f54-aa99-06d208e6ec81_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 08:52:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9823BF0A; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aY8VTG1ahxIluLxIC7HLx5ratA6hZxFsN67mq6TzCc7vmE3pLPY4cMhgu25o4+/JXHmFG1+PcKiLTy7/rDE6wCECKuzT5/4eRbY3e9MQ2tM0qFGD3RtFPxnzrik15wuC0ZyhNcVUPAH2m+2eRtg2Gu1h7a7tZWWWVDncKf957aQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B3fY5qJzqdEkDzDBkcaBtKGKdos6FfQBVtw1jGdwrrxe3iXFjG2pTJng0RzZhigJUT1ZAAmKlrc7HgN7kpcnsY3XpF3r3uT3QnGvJGCA9OFER9pOR+yDTjuiTi13EQABN5FcDqkMI+MUIWd0bAcdYBV1QKQwu/vF4qyzviISuhM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4860A365-2A20-4BAC-9DFB-F1CD5FADD02E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:52:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:52:09 +0000 (UTC) On 3 aug 2007, at 07.33, aaron leese wrote: > Well ... if you go with midi you are stuck using a slower speed (31 > kBits/sec).... so I'm kinda a fan of not using midi for most USB > devices. Also, it's a bit harder to make it use MIDI. > > The simplest USB device just sends a quick array telling a PC what > button(s) is currently pushed .... to do this you need to write > both the firmware for the microcontroller, and the response program > that runs on the PC. Or you can smack up an extra USB computer keyboard. Here's an article on that: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/08/02/get-loopy-with-the-diy-10- ableton-footcontroller-no-soldering-required/ (thinking about Tilmanns adventurous Ukraine gig when posting this... LOL ) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 12:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC9D3BF19; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:33:56 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186144436" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:34:01 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186144436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/2007 3:35:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 7stringviper@earthlink.net writes: What would be your minimum specs recommended for a PC laptop to handle Ableton Live and live looping? I am very definitely a "novice computer handler"! If you are talking a laptop, I would think 2.0 core 2 duo & 2 gig of ram would be enough but I still run out of room with the heavier plug ins like Stylus & Reaktor. Get as much as you possibly can and shoot for a laptop that can be upgraded to accommodate 4 gig of RAM. Actually, a single core is just as efficient in many senses, but you won't find too many these days in new laptop configurations. It seems the real issue is memory and not so much processor speed. I tell you what. You get a laptop with 100-200 gig SATA. The aforementioned minimal processor and RAM. You go out and buy a decent audio/midi interface. You hook up a basic midi foot controller to your interface. You download a free program (provided you use a PC) called Mobius. You take 200.00 of the 500.00 you were going spend on the hardware looper and send it to the guy that wrote and designed the program with his gratis in mind. You put the other 300.00 in your pocket and do whatever with it that suites your needs best. You now have a completely reliable looper that is 10 times as functional and capable as any hardware looper on the market for under $1000.00 It is no less likely to fail in a live situation than any other looper on the market. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186144436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/2/2007 3:35:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 7stringviper@earthlink.net writes:
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What would be your minimum specs recommended for a PC=20= laptop=20 to handle Ableton Live and live looping?  I am very definitely a "nov= ice=20 computer handler"!
 
If you are talking a laptop, I would think 2.0 core 2 duo & 2 gig o= f=20 ram would be enough but I still run out of room with the heavier plug ins li= ke=20 Stylus & Reaktor. Get as much as you possibly can and shoot for a laptop= =20 that can be upgraded to accommodate 4 gig of RAM. Actually, a single core is= =20 just as efficient in many senses, but you won't find too many these days in=20= new=20 laptop configurations. It seems the real issue is memory and not so much=20 processor speed.
 
I tell you what. You get a laptop with 100-200 gig SATA. The aforementi= oned=20 minimal processor and RAM. You go out and buy a decent audio/midi interface.= You=20 hook up a basic midi foot controller to your interface. You download a free=20 program (provided you use a PC) called Mobius. You take 200.00 of the 500.00= you=20 were going spend on the hardware looper and send it to the guy that wrote an= d=20 designed the program with his gratis in mind. You put the other 30= 0.00=20 in your pocket and do whatever with it that suites your needs best.=20 You now have a completely reliable looper that is 10 times as functiona= l=20 and capable as any hardware looper on the market for under $1000.00 It is no= =20 less likely to fail in a live situation than any other looper on the=20 market.    



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-------------------------------1186144436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 14:51:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D79C3BF02; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TlL9fZ3d6vp6uh0q2R6XW3klFQX+StgMwaeZYpuifQNY037kwvxI7zVXTPpiR98w0Tci0thkutngz2j7JbtYOyD7l9OSoR4DKAz8JAD3ZGjtnHTdB4vEYcUSu/pr+Qn52phuF2ggCnhkxdJ8SkZuCGFxLJkZvptBr2BCEy0eCo0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nFvY0zgh5Y0tsnR0UHUA7OgmfVuaMexVjidQZn3VrVTLLfjsR8n6ZqwSFQuPjPe7ize6RvEqR2b5HWt3MJCZ+oDOBDHfS3I78IK6iWCIZfGzk0tAMgHtzMo3I1+9iuvJyQ3JKqxjMRwblNBsgUafrpm7YGrbCyNTm/Ak4NKE5hU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C0DC25B-B4C0-4968-88CB-80B6FB21A325@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:51:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:51:14 +0000 (UTC) > In a message dated 8/2/2007 3:35:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > 7stringviper@earthlink.net writes: > What would be your minimum specs recommended for a PC laptop to > handle Ableton Live and live looping? I am very definitely a > "novice computer handler"! On 3 aug 2007, at 14.33, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > If you are talking a laptop, I would think 2.0 core 2 duo & 2 gig > of ram would be enough but I still run out of room with the heavier > plug ins like Stylus & Reaktor. Get as much as you possibly can and > shoot for a laptop that can be upgraded to accommodate 4 gig of > RAM. Actually, a single core is just as efficient in many senses, > but you won't find too many these days in new laptop > configurations. It seems the real issue is memory and not so much > processor speed. Just a short comment: If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core machine will give you almost the double processing power. That is if using Live in version 6.0 or higher, because this is where the code was optimized for double processor or dual core processor machines. I know this because I have many different computers here and have also done comparing tests in contact with other Ableton users. Myself I'm a heavy user of Mobius VST looper with lots of other VST effect plug-ins hosted by Bidule, and I doubt a dual core machine would give me much more performance use than the 2 GHz Centrino I have been running for a couple of years, simply because these combination of software is not optimized for dual CPU or dual core technology (but as said, with Logic or Live the difference is huge). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:20:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B27C3BEDF; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:20:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <8C0DC25B-B4C0-4968-88CB-80B6FB21A325@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfV3slL4BcPLwA2R+C+wXu2VNORfwAAkhIg Message-Id: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D49640ee00000f065.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:20:31 +0000 (UTC) I believe that Kris is actually more of an expert on this, but my understanding is that s/w does not need to be "optimized" in any way to take advantage of dual-core Intel processors. These are not like using two totally separate processors on a motherboard. These are single processors with multiple cores. I believe the microcode in the processor and chipset take care of routing information to take advantage of them. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment >Just a short comment: If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core machine will give you almost the double processing power. That is if using Live in version 6.0 or higher, because this is where the code was optimized for double processor or dual core processor machines. I know this because I have many different computers here and have also done comparing tests in contact with other Ableton users. Myself I'm a heavy user of Mobius VST looper with lots of other VST effect plug-ins hosted by Bidule, and I doubt a dual core machine would give me much more performance use than the 2 GHz Centrino I have been running for a couple of years, simply because these combination of software is not optimized for dual CPU or dual core technology (but as said, with Logic or Live the difference is huge). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:28:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16EBB3BF16; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:28:24 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c7d5e2$ee87a260$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfV3slL4BcPLwA2R+C+wXu2VNORfwAAkhIgAABl12A= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiyyuQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <_fmT1.A.zX.Cm0sGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Software needs to be optimized to work on more than one core (or CPU). = Most software is not, Ableton Live version 6.0 is. If you run e.g. Live 5.0 on a dual core machine, then it (and all of its plugins) will only make use of one core. This may still give you a performance improvement over a single core of = the same type, because your driver stack might be running on the other core. =09 Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]=20 > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:20 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: general question about equipment >=20 > I believe that Kris is actually more of an expert on this,=20 > but my understanding is that s/w does not need to be=20 > "optimized" in any way to take > advantage of dual-core Intel processors. These are not like=20 > using two > totally separate processors on a motherboard. These are=20 > single processors with multiple cores. I believe the=20 > microcode in the processor and chipset take care of routing=20 > information to take advantage of them.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:38:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7AF23BF0C; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:38:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) You are correct. Software optimization for dual core is a bonus to take advantage of additional duo core features, but not necessary. The system does a lot of things in the background between the two cores, running the OS and applications that make it much more efficient than a solo core system. Intel wouldn't release a product like this if it's power could only be unleashed by special software optimization. That would be ridiculous. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: general question about equipment > I believe that Kris is actually more of an expert on this, but my > understanding is that s/w does not need to be "optimized" in any way to > take > advantage of dual-core Intel processors. These are not like using two > totally separate processors on a motherboard. These are single processors > with multiple cores. I believe the microcode in the processor and chipset > take care of routing information to take advantage of them. > > -Qua > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: general question about equipment > >>Just a short comment: > If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core machine will give you > almost the double processing power. That is if using Live in version 6.0 > or > higher, because this is where the code was optimized for double processor > or > dual core processor machines. I know this because I have many different > computers here and have also done comparing tests in contact with other > Ableton users. > > Myself I'm a heavy user of Mobius VST looper with lots of other VST effect > plug-ins hosted by Bidule, and I doubt a dual core machine would give me > much more performance use than the 2 GHz Centrino I have been running for > a > couple of years, simply because these combination of software is not > optimized for dual CPU or dual core technology (but as said, with Logic or > Live the difference is huge). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:42:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E8D53BF24; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14e901c7d5e4$d99db680$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01c7d5e2$ee87a260$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:42:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Software needs to be optimized to work on more than one core (or CPU). > Most software is not, Ableton Live version 6.0 is. If you run e.g. Live 5.0 on a dual core machine, then it (and all of its plugins) will only make use of one core. Yes, but you have the OS and many other aps running on the other or both cores...so, again, you still get better performance without having software that is written specifically to take advantage of the duo core system. I think you alluded to this already. The main point, then, is that no one should avoid a duo core system just because they have software that isn't written to take advantage of it. The system will run better than a solo core, period. . Kris > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. August 2007 17:20 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: general question about equipment > > I believe that Kris is actually more of an expert on this, > but my understanding is that s/w does not need to be > "optimized" in any way to take > advantage of dual-core Intel processors. These are not like > using two > totally separate processors on a motherboard. These are > single processors with multiple cores. I believe the > microcode in the processor and chipset take care of routing > information to take advantage of them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:42:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8803BF29; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=cFfm8BZbSXkx3UArXqZJAoePkOQuHyjoVgh2YgHC6uUgOdFtLKjRkH5RhFcSt+eDZ40KKGlxJ7YphTQ6rV5s3ZV6xDuXlEIu7gCFx1lmP1Wfqj2fQdDbKVluI9y3xMPPFjQ31cGXM9/ncXcMM9szpVcbfiQ4NqxopWpc7YKMnmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZLfTFCXH2iZ9Q3BsheMuN686zyHswusd/DZCjaHWLlIZ2knIW3oq1a1AhTDWvpnJQ6RGYaTXS/IL4/Fw/xaI+4SpxKcIcVRxsxiB8FEczG/uB8mHY9klO3jxeNULtVE9f7vwVPV7lf1eSLVi73ZHyfG0wdSw7bZDVcTjAZ81Hag= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:42:16 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment In-Reply-To: <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3a316f43a638fb77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:18 +0000 (UTC) That's exactly what Motorola/IBM did with the Altivec unit on the 'G4' PowerPC processor - a major hardware feature that was no use unless you programmed specifically for it. Same true of SSE on Intel chips I guess. os. On 03/08/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > You are correct. Software optimization for dual core is a bonus to take > advantage of additional duo core features, but not necessary. The system > does a lot of things in the background between the two cores, running the > OS and applications that make it much more efficient than a solo core > system. Intel wouldn't release a product like this if it's power could only > be unleashed by special software optimization. That would be ridiculous. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Subject: RE: general question about equipment > > > > I believe that Kris is actually more of an expert on this, but my > > understanding is that s/w does not need to be "optimized" in any way to > > take > > advantage of dual-core Intel processors. These are not like using two > > totally separate processors on a motherboard. These are single processors > > with multiple cores. I believe the microcode in the processor and chipset > > take care of routing information to take advantage of them. > > > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:51 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: general question about equipment > > > >>Just a short comment: > > If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core machine will give you > > almost the double processing power. That is if using Live in version 6.0 > > or > > higher, because this is where the code was optimized for double processor > > or > > dual core processor machines. I know this because I have many different > > computers here and have also done comparing tests in contact with other > > Ableton users. > > > > Myself I'm a heavy user of Mobius VST looper with lots of other VST effect > > plug-ins hosted by Bidule, and I doubt a dual core machine would give me > > much more performance use than the 2 GHz Centrino I have been running for > > a > > couple of years, simply because these combination of software is not > > optimized for dual CPU or dual core technology (but as said, with Logic or > > Live the difference is huge). > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:46:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9C03BF3A; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:46:10 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46B34DC2.8080108@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:46:42 +0000 (UTC) > as for hardware loopers, I've done quite a bit of research and it > seems that the digitech GNX4 at around $500 is the best bang for the buck. This looks like a very powerful processor, and the 8-track recording possibilities sound terrific. However, it's not at all clear to me that the 'loop mode' is suited to live performance. There's been so little discussion here of this unit and its predecessors that I think others have reached this conclusion, too. I suspect (and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) that the looping capabilities are limited to post-processing. That is, you record or import a track and set a loop point using the controls manually. It looks like the optional foot controller is dedicated to the record/stop/play functions. Neither Digitech's description of this unit or the manual highlight a real-time scenario that includes looping. Anyone have any hands-on experience with these processors? I think the computer-based solutions running Ableton Live or Mobius have *way more* potential. If you have a computer, purchase of a foot controller or MIDI keyboard can be your only cash expense. Mobius is a free download and has a great user community that will help with any questions you may have. I have a friend that's been trying to convince me to scrap my 60-lb rack and get on the Ableton bandwagon. I'm very tempted, save for the $500+ price tag. The Live! demo doesn't permit you to save your configuration, so is not very practical other than maybe to run through their tutorial. So I'm leaning towards Mobius myself. Anyway, as BreachinThePeace points out - regardless of which of these paths you choose, I hope you have the *time* to explore the almost limitless possibilities of these tools. I spent nearly a year learning to 'play' the synth/looper system as an instrument. It's an ongoing effort. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:47:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79593BF3E; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OnhSrAn9/wTnbOVH3yqU4EjHguCrgvWIAO+FxSJzNjPoCLjqwVKBEALwHghmW+yMs6jv81UNPSYy0KbkGJrWDqxKY9Ak2ru3dZyjyVPL0Xgehf9eUhtptkDN6MmDwxCb/8H0YpAM2hzZHO+8jwdylEXwrIqGHzxfNg7hQWMRnbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=k5hixNCh51L0tWCBOWIzieNE4tBY0sdKBgTisfPXfG6wunQJKN/NHUeR5g4XSl/0M8G8b8sMA8vh34vS/FRtRGXarlGHVlZKGiNWj141QuBEx16x5QruenLRw6vDHurMgHdzSL+FO7RIvgJIOKjXnDwA2pLCaN3B6mHo5ybg4EM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:47:42 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: "Matthew Johnson" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment In-Reply-To: <15d0840708010946t1e7175f4o2ee2302db3485b85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <15d0840708010653j4b054f63sb71e94faef57903c@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708010926v751691c0s72c723f2a2c2b2de@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708010946t1e7175f4o2ee2302db3485b85@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0c579e16370a88f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Matthew, it sounds like a laptop and Ableton Live would be a very worthwhile investment for you, given the below. You may not need any more software than this. Certainly, you could be a long while just exploring the possibilities this gives you. However, there are still things Live doesn't do, so if for example you want to muck about with 30 second echoes you might want to budget for a couple of plugins too. If this is just for studio use, you might not need a MIDI controller. I'd definitely recommend one for live use though. Also for studio use if you want the laptop setup to become an instrument in its own right, rather than just a studio tool. cheers, os. On 01/08/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > my main focus now would be just to get better with the concepts of looping > and creating samples/manipulating them. Right now everything would be in > studio and at home experimentation. Im in a band, and if I ever used this > live, it would be just to trigger a sample or some kind of prerecorded noise > or sequence. > > Live, I know I could just get a cheap sampler and that would do the trick, > but Id prefer to invest for the long term. If that means spending alittle > more on software that Id be able to use for a while, then so be it. I have a > pod, so I can run that directly into my laptop to record guitar parts and if > I could get a solid software program where I could add beats, samples etc, > that would be ideal I guess. > > Also, would you suggest get a midi controller if I were to get software, or > could everything be done on the laptop? > > I apologize if some of these questions seem repetitive or confusing. > > > > > > On 8/1/07, Os wrote: > > Hi, > > > > you replied direct to me, not to the group - not sure if you meant to. > > > > A lot depends on whether you're talking about doing stuff live or in > > the studio. It wasn't clear from your original post. What's your main > > focus? > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > On 01/08/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > > Thank you for the response. I am new to this. > > > > > > 1. What is a good program to use for this? What would you recommend me > > > looking at? > > > > > > 2. Also, if you are using a laptop to create the sample, loop it, add > drums > > > to and mix, why would you need an interface(foot switch, etc.)? As a > > > trigger? Couldnt you just do all the work on a laptop and have that > > > connected to an amp live or in studio? > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > On 8/1/07, Os wrote: > > > > > What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you > would > > > need > > > > > is a sampler and looper live. > > > > > > > > The laptops are being used as samplers and loopers! > > > > > > > > And as effect processors, sync generators, mixers, you name it. > > > > > > > > A laptop is always going to be your most flexible choice. The battle > > > > is finding the software that you get on with, and an interface (foot > > > > switches etc.) that let you control it adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > os. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01/08/07, Matthew Johnson < matthjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am a guitar player, but I am looking to expand my capabilities > with > > > > > another loopstation, sound manipulation device or sampler. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I currently play with a Boss RC 20xl. I have no complaints. Its > > > clearly a > > > > > matter of personal preference, but what are your opinions about the > best > > > > > guitar delay unit along in the same category as the 20xl. Adai just > > > came > > > > > out again with the headrush E2, anyone have any opinions on it? > > > > > > > > > > 2. I am looking for another loop/sampler unit that will allow me to > > > create > > > > > more precise loops, be able to isolate sounds within the loops and > > > create > > > > > beats/drum tracks with. Any suggestion will help? Im new to this and > > > looking > > > > > for a place to start with a good peice of equipment I could learn > with? > > > I > > > > > guess it would have to be a hand operated unit. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Im not opposed to going in the laptop direction. I use cubase to > > > record, > > > > > but this is where my knowledge of computer music creation software > > > begins > > > > > and ends. Ive seen some bands using laptops along with keys, > samplers, > > > etc. > > > > > What are the laptops being used for live? It seems to me all you > would > > > need > > > > > is a sampler and looper live. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Thank you in advance. I would appreciate any help and or > opinions. > > > > > -- > > > > > Matt H. Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > os@collective.co.uk > > > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Matt H. Johnson > > > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 15:56:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD95E3BF3A; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <150c01c7d5e6$df922600$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:56:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <1RCda.A.wNC.2A1sGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: general question about equipment > That's exactly what Motorola/IBM did with the Altivec unit on the 'G4' > PowerPC processor - a major hardware feature that was no use unless > you programmed specifically for it. > > Same true of SSE on Intel chips I guess. > > os. Except that it' not as huge downfall...afterall, these processors are being put into millions of consumer PCs. Let the corporate IT geeks and enginners worry about re-writing their apps for multi-threading to satisify a small slice of the target market. Bottom line is that we have a faster pc and the ability to multi-task more efficiently. That's all I care about. Don't forget that one of the main benefits that Intel marketed with the duo core is that you can run more than one app (apps that aren't written to take advantage of the duo core system), and your system will run them more efficiently. For example, running your music software and burning a CD at the same time; watching a DVD and running your anti-virus software at the same time, etc, etc. They did tests that demonstrated the efficiencies with these use cases. No custom software required...the system makes the decisions for you. For fortune 500 companies, this is a BIG deal. You can probably imagine how annoying it is and how much people time/$$ it costs a company when they implement synchronized the execution of their anti-virus programs on mutiple user PC, and it cripples their systems such that they can't work on anything else. The duo core system addresses that...MAJOR ROI...big bucks saved in people productivity time. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:00:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60BE3BF3E; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <151301c7d5e7$71e25b10$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:00:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Good article on this topic of duo core (what you find in today's notebooks) vs. dual processor (like what you would see in a server, UNIX box, etc) "Even without a multithread-enabled application, you will still see benefits of dual-core processors if you are running an OS that supports TLP. For example, if you have Microsoft Windows XP (which supports multithreading), you could have your Internet browser open along with a virus scanner running in the background, while using Windows Media Player to stream your favorite radio station and the dual-core processor will handle the multiple threads of these programs running simultaneously with an increase in performance and efficiency. " http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Hardware_Software/2005/dual_core.asp K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:03:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 918AB3BF3F; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:03:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c7d5e7$d09a8e20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <150c01c7d5e6$df922600$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfV5uCOf9TG9xaQRYyxSk34wo0dcgAAMbmQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiyyuQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:03:04 +0000 (UTC) > For example, running your music software and burning a CD at > the same time; watching a DVD and running your anti-virus > software at the same time, etc, etc. They did tests that > demonstrated the efficiencies with these use cases. No custom > software required...the system makes the decisions for you. > For fortune 500 companies, this is a BIG deal. You can This is clearly understandable how fortune 500 companies benefit from their emplyoees being able to check for viruses while watching a DVD ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:26:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97243BEDD; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <152001c7d5eb$0509fd00$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000d01c7d5e7$d09a8e20$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:26:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3n-pB.A.aAE.rc1sGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:26:19 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- >> For example, running your music software and burning a CD at >> the same time; watching a DVD and running your anti-virus >> software at the same time, etc, etc. They did tests that >> demonstrated the efficiencies with these use cases. No custom >> software required...the system makes the decisions for you. >> For fortune 500 companies, this is a BIG deal. You can > > This is clearly understandable how fortune 500 companies benefit from > their > emplyoees being able to check for viruses while watching a DVD ;) Training DVDs, markeing CD-ROMs, recorded company webinars or padcasts, etc, etc. Used daily and hourly right now across the world. There are probably 1000 people this instant who are pounding their fists agains their desks, because their virus checker just popped up while they were working on a processor intensive project, but not duo core. Like me!!!! K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:28:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E9F3BF2A; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:28:58 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c7d5eb$64a03400$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <152001c7d5eb$0509fd00$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfV6wWFuCfcU4+eRTS42NJKsTgD8wAADpXg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiyyuQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:28:40 +0000 (UTC) > Training DVDs, markeing CD-ROMs, recorded company webinars or > padcasts, etc, etc. Used daily and hourly right now across the world. > There are probably 1000 people this instant who are pounding > their fists agains their desks, because their virus checker > just popped up while they were working on a processor > intensive project, but not duo core. Like me!!!! What is your processor intensive project? Reading and writing private emails while working for a fortune 500 company? Or do you check email while looping? ;) (shutting up now, Rainer) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A560C3BF38; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:37:48 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186159068" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:38:06 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186159068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/3/2007 10:51:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, perboysen@gmail.com writes: Just a short comment: If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core machine will give you almost the double processing power. That is if using Live in version 6.0 or higher, because this is where the code was optimized for double processor or dual core processor machines. I know this because I have many different computers here and have also done comparing tests in contact with other Ableton users. Myself I'm a heavy user of Mobius VST looper with lots of other VST effect plug-ins hosted by Bidule, and I doubt a dual core machine would give me much more performance use than the 2 GHz Centrino I have been running for a couple of years, simply because these combination of software is not optimized for dual CPU or dual core technology (but as said, with Logic or Live the difference is huge). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen I agree with you 100% Per. I ran Live 5.0 on a desktop with a 2.0 single core with 2.5 gig of RAM. When I purchased the Music XPC M4x (2.0 Core 2 Duo/2 Gig RAM) I soon switched to Live 6.0. It's true that when you disable or enable the dual core you can see the CPU meter either in Window's task manager or Live's meter increase or decrease by 50%. The thing is...processor capability does not seem to be too much an issue with Live 6.0 or 5.0. It's the friggen' RAM that the exterior plug in's pull down that is the problem. I have never really noticed a true deficiency based on the processor itself with respect to anything. I would LOVE to actually test Stylus, Reaktor or Sample Tank with 4 Gig of RAM. Problem is the XPC tops out at 2 Gig RAM so I am leaning toward a new machine in another year or so. Does anyone here use Stylus that knows/understands RAM? I certainly use Stylus but don't know squat about RAM. My question is: When you are flipping between tracks in LIVE and you come back to Stylus after tweaking whatever in a different track, is it a RAM deficiency that causes the plug in not to fully be visible or adjustable? When this happens I just delete the application and reload it into the same track, but it's the only way to recover it functionally without just saving the set and reopening it.. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186159068 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/3/2007 10:51:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 perboysen@gmail.com writes:
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If the intention is to run Ableton Live a dual core mach= ine=20 will give 
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I agree with you 100% Per. I ran Live 5.0 on a desktop with a 2.0 singl= e=20 core with 2.5 gig of RAM. When I purchased the Music XPC M4x (2.0 Core 2 Duo= /2=20 Gig RAM) I soon switched to Live 6.0. It's true that when you disable or ena= ble=20 the dual core you can see the CPU meter either in Window's task manager or=20 Live's meter increase or decrease by 50%. The thing is...processor capabilit= y=20 does not seem to be too much an issue with Live 6.0 or 5.0. It's the friggen= '=20 RAM that the exterior plug in's pull down that is the problem. I have n= ever=20 really noticed a true deficiency based on the processor itself with respect=20= to=20 anything. I would LOVE to actually test Stylus, Reaktor or Sample Tank=20= with=20 4 Gig of RAM.  Problem is the XPC tops out at 2 Gig RAM so I am leaning= =20 toward a new machine in another year or so.
 
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-------------------------------1186159068-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 16:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDA8C3BF11; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JoRftugyzT6TGfHLmNmz6HaDb5jMeTlttg/h81k2Maadtfs7N0EeiVkI599QmpUlGMMXL1XwwWHuIjZzlggqEvAJkHRV7W3bggS0x5IudpeCo4AIIlSnUHfqcdGTtRP+zddtK6FR6ByvCu5NaZbFLf/ouHpxm9Ovu4Q/mIor+G0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s+vMQtrf1WfqiT/AJF1V87DO2K0xbIRBehA+YIwXLdM4QeLb1NPUyYB+RIQj8Mu7TqHeRPRP14Bsu565c24ZZacIOqaLL7YTHwzcpDQPzGWBt/zDBgm6HiXSCjLJET4QbY2OcDlG6wV4MUhpiuorM9iqVizclAAnbAJzbKFCXTE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:57:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:57:42 +0000 (UTC) On 3 aug 2007, at 18.37, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone here use Stylus that knows/understands RAM? I certainly > use Stylus but don't know squat about RAM. My question is: When you > are flipping between tracks in LIVE and you come back to Stylus > after tweaking whatever in a different track, is it a RAM > deficiency that causes the plug in not to fully be visible or > adjustable? When this happens I just delete the application and > reload it into the same track, but it's the only way to recover it > functionally without just saving the set and reopening it.. I'm using RMX very much in both Live and Logic. THis is on a dual 2 GHz G5 machine with 2 GB RAM. I have never seen the issue you are describing. On my laptops I don't use RMX at all because it's too CPU demanding. My laptops are all single CPU machines, one with 1 GB RAM and the other with 2 GB RAM. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 17:22:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC63B3BEF3; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <7stringviper@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c7d5f2$d509ce20$0200a8c0@PHILRHONDA> From: "Philip Pan" <7stringviper@earthlink.net> To: References: <46B34DC2.8080108@Verizon.net> Subject: Re: general question about equipment Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:21:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186165392" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:23:16 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186165392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO, please see a few posts back. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186165392 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1186165392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 18:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801E73BF1B; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:37:03 EDT Subject: Re: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186166223" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:37:07 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186166223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/3/2007 12:58:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, perboysen@gmail.com writes: I'm using RMX very much in both Live and Logic. THis is on a dual 2 GHz G5 machine with 2 GB RAM. I have never seen the issue you are describing. On my laptops I don't use RMX at all because it's too CPU demanding. My laptops are all single CPU machines, one with 1 GB RAM and the other with 2 GB RAM. Per The fact that you have not experienced the same issue honestly does not surprise me. Most people use Stylus to record sequenced audio tracks. I tend to be a wee bit overboard in the improvisational sense. That's what attention deposit will do for you. How are you using it? Are you running several VSTs at once along with Stylus? Recording multiple midi tracks simultaneously? Are you dragging midi files from Stylus into Live's Stylus dedicated return tracks per the Stylus assigned midi channels? The thing is, I have never seen any of my other VSTIs do this accept for Stylus. You have run Stylus (our computers that is) out of memory haven't you? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186166223 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/3/2007 12:58:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 perboysen@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I'm=20 using RMX very much in both Live and Logic. THis is on a dual 2 
= GHz=20 G5 machine with 2 GB RAM. I have never seen the issue you are =20
describing. On my laptops I don't use RMX at all because it's too=20 CPU 
demanding. My laptops are all single CPU machines, one with=20= 1 GB=20 RAM 
and the other with 2 GB RAM.
Per
The fact that you have not experienced the same issue honestly does not= =20 surprise me. Most people use Stylus to record sequenced audio tracks. I tend= to=20 be a wee bit overboard in the improvisational sense. That's what attention=20 deposit will do for you.
 
How are you using it? Are you running several VSTs at once along with=20 Stylus? Recording multiple midi tracks simultaneously? Are you dragging midi= =20 files from Stylus into Live's Stylus dedicated return tracks per the=20 Stylus assigned midi channels? The thing is, I have never seen any of m= y=20 other VSTIs do this accept for Stylus. You have run Stylus (our computers th= at=20 is) out of memory haven't you? 



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-------------------------------1186166223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 18:38:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9713BF2A; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:38:45 EDT Subject: Re: general question about equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186166325" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:38:57 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186166325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/3/2007 2:23:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BreachinThePeace@aol.com writes: NO, please see a few posts back Sorry, this was in reference to the 7stringviper's 800.00 question. No decent AUDIO DEDICATED Laptop available for that kind of coin. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186166325 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/3/2007 2:23:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 BreachinThePeace@aol.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>NO,=20 please see a few posts back
Sorry, this was in reference to the 7stringviper's 800.00 question= . No=20 decent AUDIO DEDICATED Laptop available for that kind of coin.=20



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-------------------------------1186166325-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 19:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE933BF21; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:04:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c7d601$1457fad0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcfV72mqKvlUpr/cRPeZLmIiu2CVZgAESl2w Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:04:17 +0000 (UTC) I'm running Stylus on a dual core 2 gighz with 2 gig'o ram and it's like buttah. It's my main "I don't have time to program a ton of drums" drum machine, but I'm also having a ton of fun with Jamstix. Jamstix will = listen to your audio input or midi input and adjust itself depending on what = you're doing. I haven't set it up for that yet, but it's Free Jam mode seems = great for me. It's like having a great drummer who'll except suggestions and = mix it up a bit. Very nice. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) On 3 aug 2007, at 18.37, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone here use Stylus that knows/understands RAM? I certainly =20 > use Stylus but don't know squat about RAM. My question is: When you =20 > are flipping between tracks in LIVE and you come back to Stylus =20 > after tweaking whatever in a different track, is it a RAM =20 > deficiency that causes the plug in not to fully be visible or =20 > adjustable? When this happens I just delete the application and =20 > reload it into the same track, but it's the only way to recover it =20 > functionally without just saving the set and reopening it.. I'm using RMX very much in both Live and Logic. THis is on a dual 2 =20 GHz G5 machine with 2 GB RAM. I have never seen the issue you are =20 describing. On my laptops I don't use RMX at all because it's too CPU =20 demanding. My laptops are all single CPU machines, one with 1 GB RAM =20 and the other with 2 GB RAM. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From info@stompoutcancer.com Fri Aug 3 20:11:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 459 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:11:45 UTC Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594B63BF00 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dd6dm7b1 (adsl-070-145-012-068.sip.sdf.bellsouth.net[70.145.12.68]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20070803200400H0500nue9pe>; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:04:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.145.12.68] Organization: Stomp Out Cancer Reply-To: info@stompoutcancer.com Message-ID: From: "StompOutCancer.com" To: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Stomp_Out_Cancer:_Indie_Musician's_Fight_Ewing's_Sarcoma?= Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


August 3rd, 2007

FOR IMMEDIATE=20 RELEASE:

CONTACT:
Jake=20 A. Wheat
StreetBlast.com
Louisville, Kentucky
502-366-8006 |=20 502-489-1501
info@stompoutcancer.com<= span=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
http://www.stompoutcancer.com






Stomp Out=20 Cancer: Indie Musician's Fight Ewing's Sarcoma

Louisville, = Kentucky -=20 August 3rd, 2007

Indie Musicians will officially be able to = use=20 their music to heal, and send a strong message of hope=20 for patients fighting Ewing's Sarcoma, a rare form of cancer = found=20 mostly during childhood or early adulthood.  Artists can submit their = music=20 for this project at: www.sonicbids.com/stompout= cancer.

Ewing=92s Sarcoma = is a rare=20 form of Cancer, but in the United States alone, thousands suffer or have = their=20 lives taken away too soon by this disease. =20 Thanks to "Indie Music Unified", a collection of talented = individuals who=20 have their finger on the pulse of the Independent Music Industry, a = compilation=20 CD titled, =93Stomp Out Cancer: Indie Musicians Fight Ewing=92s = Sarcoma,=94 will work=20 to bring support to researchers and Doctors with 100% of the CD=92s = earnings going=20 towards finding a Ewing=92s Sarcoma vaccine, and early detection testing=20 methods.

Jake Wheat, Station Manager for StreetBlast.com lost a = dear=20 friend, Steven Michael Mackin to the disease on October 28, 2006, and = after=20 learning of his passing late, Wheat decided to attack his grief and guilt = by=20 raising money to help fund research into finding a vaccine and to help = support=20 services for people suffering from Ewing's Sarcoma. "Stomp Out Cancer: = Indie=20 Musicians Fight Ewing's Sarcoma," is now moving forward to create a buzz = and to=20 raise awareness and funds for Ewing's Sarcoma research, even = incorporating=20 innovative Bandlink=99 technology that will allow the listener to insert = their CD=20 into their computer and learn more about Ewing=92s Sarcoma, get updates on = how=20 much money has been raised so far by the CD project, and interact with = other=20 people involved or suffering from Ewing=92s Sarcoma.  This is an inspiring project, = one that=20 will interconnect art with medical funding, and truly allow music to=20 heal.

Wheat,=20 out of this project, wants people to know that Steven Mackin was a bright = spot=20 in the lives of hundreds of people. His death touched the lives of people = all=20 across the World, with his constant communications with friends both = online, and=20 offline through his constant communications through chat software, = community=20 based websites, and his LiveJournal account.

Steven=92s first = battle with=20 Ewing=92s Sarcoma caused him to loose the ability to use his legs, and = required=20 crutches. Regardless or his disability after his remission, he traveled = and=20 explored life, and was able to continue and keep with his active = lifestyle, not=20 allowing his past to stand in his way. He spread beauty and laughter = wherever he=20 was, and loved people.

Wheat=92s memories of him were very = special, and=20 the last conversation Wheat had with him was by phone on June 29th, 2006 = at=20 10:49 am. Steven spoke of some recurring pain in his lower back, which = prompted=20 him to go back to the Emergency Room, due to the pain being similar to his = first=20 round with Ewing=92s Sarcoma. He was worried, scared, and because Wheat is = an EMT=20 (and at the time worked for a local hospital in the ER) was trying to find = some=20 comfort in the conversation. Steven told Wheat that the Doctors in the ER = ruled=20 the pain as a pulled muscle. This would be the last conversation that = Steven and=20 Jake would share. Wheat had a job transfer, forcibly lost contact with = Steven=20 due to a business cell phone change, and ultimately did not hear the news = of his=20 recurring cancer, and the sad news of his passing until almost six months = later.=20

The mourning of Steven=92s loss has been tremendous for Wheat, = because he=20 was not able to say goodbye. A early morning visit to Steven=92s gravesite = allowed=20 Wheat to pay respects, but it was not until he drove back from Bardstown = to=20 Louisville that he decided to raise money to fight Ewing=92s Sarcoma. A = beautiful=20 sunrise appeared, and Wheat knew it was a good sign.

"Stomp Out = Cancer:=20 Indie Musicians Fight Ewing's Sarcoma" brings to the table several = talented=20 individuals who have joined forces as "Indie Music Unified," and = are=20 donating their talents to make this project a success. "Indie Music=20 Unified" includes Phil Peretz (CDDVDNow.com / Indie Artists = Alliance.com),=20 Troy Edlin (TroyEdlin.com), Phil Peretz & Scott Lonis (iMuzic.com), = and Jake=20 A. Wheat (StreetBlast.com).

These individuals are working to bring = this=20 project to life with new CD technology, promotion, and artist incentives - = along=20 with keeping the project goal in mind, which is to raise as much money to = fight=20 Ewing's Sarcoma as possible. The official website for the "Stomp Out = Cancer" CD=20 project can be found at: www.stompoutcancer.com.

"This project is = dedicated to=20 Steven Michael Mackin, so that he may help families and others find a = cure, and=20 cope with Ewing=92s Sarcoma. We will stomp out cancer, one way or = another." - Jake=20 A. Wheat (StreetBlast.com)

Jake Wheat = explained,=20 "Steven=92s loss has saddened and angered me more than I can explain. = However, I=20 will not let his passing go without memorial, and Steven is owed a = distinctive=20 honor. Some good has to come from this sadness.

The mixed genre CD = is=20 slated to be released on October 28th, 2007 in loving memory = of=20 Steven Michael Mackin. Artists wishing to be a part of this compilation = can=20 submit their entries via SonicBids (http://www.sonicbids.com/s= tompoutcancer).

The top 20 = artists will=20 be selected by Indie Music Fans voting for their favorite artists and = songs=20 along with the members of the Independent Music Resources Group.  http://www.imuzic.co= m/artists/stompoutcancer/

For=20 more information on this project, please visit: www.stompoutcancer.com 

If you are a webmaster, could = you=20 please link us up with our banner:


Please send us your banner (468 x 60) and we will = gladly add=20 you to our website as well! 

# #=20 #

You = may=20 contact Jake A. Wheat using the following methods: Phone: 502-366-8006 |=20 502-489-1501
e-mail: jake@stompoutcancer.com=20

Note: Jake Wheat is available for podcast interviews, and the = Stomp=20 Out Cancer team will post links to all press releases or news articles, = so=20 please let us know if you help us spread the word by posting this=20 information.


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To=20 unsubscribe:
http://www.streetblastradio.com/Remove/remove1.htm
<= br>StreetBlast.com
8018 Third Street Road #3
Louisville, = Kentucky=20 40214
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 22:30:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB713BF22; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ghhDkrxy2S4f08RvU7naO9RyaXmw8dnInotl/WzcivdNtftNHJe/j7+lBKNEUPVEKcABWLs5teNYzxZyKR4ZhfQdF3w2qB4u3QXWgp0OzxQeMT+arsfh5PmBGc2igBeEtTL8eRwzoRSDDs3N+XPoPihp7deOSqsV1oXBLUp/Ejk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=So69ib+nznL0IldNl0G/WVdG3JxYjdLfStpUKa0QCzYfB06IqgdsR7UFvnBvjuwGbBqg7Oa3/8yFuX4XlQabzrvHUGYhfNUtXuaifPtvmlyM6jry0Q/mPrM4jPTFCiwHjDv/LuPPEHxWmUzN1uJN76vxW4WyE6fTY6IMj1AnXYY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <713469F2-9517-4AEA-9AE7-6A416EBA8405@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 00:30:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <68l50C.A.eDF.3x6sGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:30:15 +0000 (UTC) > In a message dated 8/3/2007 12:58:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > perboysen@gmail.com writes: > I'm using RMX very much in both Live and Logic. THis is on a dual 2 > GHz G5 machine with 2 GB RAM. I have never seen the issue you are > describing. On my laptops I don't use RMX at all because it's too CPU > demanding. My laptops are all single CPU machines, one with 1 GB RAM > and the other with 2 GB RAM. > Per > The fact that you have not experienced the same issue honestly does > not surprise me. Most people use Stylus to record sequenced audio > tracks. I tend to be a wee bit overboard in the improvisational > sense. That's what attention deposit will do for you. On 3 aug 2007, at 20.37, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > How are you using it? Are you running several VSTs at once along > with Stylus? Recording multiple midi tracks simultaneously? Are you > dragging midi files from Stylus into Live's Stylus dedicated return > tracks per the Stylus assigned midi channels? The thing is, I have > never seen any of my other VSTIs do this accept for Stylus. You > have run Stylus (our computers that is) out of memory haven't you? When I bought RMX I had an idea that it would be cool to use on stage on a laptop as part of improvised performances. But I soon found out it is too CPU demanding and unstable for that. I also felt bit lame to use those pre recorded drum sounds live so I thought I would either make the drumming by vocal beatboxing or other percussive sounds made by flute. But RMX is really good for producing recorded music and that's how I use it. I only use it as AU plug-in i Logic and in all ways; in "groove mode" as well as in "slice mode". I use all kinds of randomizations, both the chaos machine and the buzz. I also record and make my own RMX files from sessions with hand drum percussionists and myself playing guitar. Especially funky rhythm guitar is very creative to have pre-recorded as RMX files when working on a studio production and you want to try out those kind of patterns. Yes, I drag MIDI patterns ("slice" or "groove mode" type of MIDI sequences) from RMX onto dedicated channels in Logic. Quite often I use all available eight RMX channels and I bring out the audio as multichannel; so each drum comes up on its own channel in Logic's mixer. That's because I don't like the library sounds much and want to process them with Logic's effects to give it a new touch. I think RMX is a genius studio production tool. The feel you get when applying a slight amount of randomization to all eight drum tracks is something really unique. I've never "run out of memory" because of RMX. But I must say that I'm not sure what you mean by that expression? Maybe that's because I'm using Logic, since Logic's sampler works in a way that if RAM is getting short it dumps some of the samples and starts streaming them from the hard drive instead of keeping it all in the RAM. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 3 23:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17C13BF10; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PfNe+TmqDNFYwImpdmyCtO2whQhuTb1VzndEa30Q0W5z03dL9eHSMls8puZHEUUG; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: Guitar Hero Controller Hacked/YouTube (slightly OT?) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:47:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7D607.1955B170" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfWKJs5Dmpk0U5YR9GjHBbqpplnVA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb32983cd7c4950503963636e60deed72350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.68.161.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:45:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7D607.1955B170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of you that are into the higher level software applications and/or electronics "bashing" may appreciate this. Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vbpZBQ7jXgI Apparently this guy has "hacked" the guitar controller for Guitar Hero II, and using a laptop with Max/Msp is working it in a band. Granted, there is no looping (yet), but the concept is interesting. Enjoy. Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7D607.1955B170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some of you that are into the higher level software applications and/or electronics “bashing” may appreciate = this…

 

Check this out: http://youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DvbpZBQ7jXgI

 

Apparently this guy has “hacked” the = guitar controller for Guitar Hero II, and using a laptop with Max/Msp is = working it in a band.

 

 

Granted, there is no looping (yet), but the concept = is interesting.

 

Enjoy.

 

Ed in NJ

http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas

 

 

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 11:01:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D223BF1A; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 12295968-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.69.114 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAML5s0ZPQUVy/2dsb2JhbACCIKwn Message-ID: <46B45CA9.7090600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:02:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment(dual core Hint) References: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:01:54 +0000 (UTC) My experiments on a dual core machine (winXP) showed the following. Using Bidule (not optimised for dual core) it becomes apparent that all the Bidule processing is done by one of the cores. It also seems that the graphics for the operating system are handled in just one of the cores. WinXP chooses which processes to put onto which core, there doesn't seem to be a way to change that. If the Bidule processing ends up on the same core as the graphic processing, then Bidule has less capability. I guess it depends on the order that you start your applications, seemed like I could restart Bidule and get it onto the core which had the lowest load. andy butler disclaimer I don't have any specific knowledge about xp in this respect, just looking at the 'performance' tab of the Widows task manager. Krispen Hartung wrote: > You are correct. Software optimization for dual core is a bonus to take > advantage of additional duo core features, but not necessary. The system > does a lot of things in the background between the two cores, running > the OS and applications that make it much more efficient than a solo > core system. Intel wouldn't release a product like this if it's power > could only be unleashed by special software optimization. That would be > ridiculous. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 11:16:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 773533BF20; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rwQ49TfRwMlXMcg4xLni+wGB/OPuc9Hi12JtfPmv05pIXhzkixYoYH1NdmfOPA/75dFPAVAT9vn4rIlm1qiVO4Du5KZynGK+mKqsX7aUQTnQhHFgqHi5ADF9i3Xr+i/+XeXj/iQX2jVLis2avijcsBu0LZTZ1ONYOd9x9uj+gws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JXCcc0oELC7ZizuYU2aOrXTyekzzRRKLaj4TIEm09tTDZT/rjGfkmBE6KCOTO/0+ElsYklfb7USttPQWJaP/Cm+2IjmrOk3AnUNIp/DEipJM0lNAlL7/Ne2EVNqjmMa9h7druhLntI0920TuYguT7tLjtFDqDs8tY87JZENVUVk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46B45CA9.7090600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200708030827593.SM04508@quahome> <14e201c7d5e4$636b1390$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46B45CA9.7090600@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CDB93C2-A1DF-4E34-9F84-12DCEF5D28F9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: general question about equipment (dual core Hint) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:15:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:16:05 +0000 (UTC) This is just too funny; Andy's post popped up right when I was about to post a note about this: >>> July 13th - Bidule 0.95 released >>> A new version of Bidule has been released. >>> New Features: >>> - Added preliminary support for multicore processing... // (plus >>> a lot more) As I a have many computers with both dual and single processors I can truly say that I have experienced a giant leap in performance every time a piece of software gets optimized for dual/multi core/cpu. Logic was first four years ago, recently Ableton and now Bidule. Bad news for me is that the dual cpu machine I have is stationary while the laptops I use for concerts are single cpu boxes. I can't wait until having saved up enough for getting an Intel Core 2 Duo box for my Bidule/Mobius live looping patch... Per On 4 aug 2007, at 13.02, andy butler wrote: > My experiments on a dual core machine (winXP) showed the following. > > Using Bidule (not optimised for dual core) it becomes apparent that > all the Bidule processing is done by one of the cores. > > It also seems that the graphics for the operating system are handled > in just one of the cores. > > WinXP chooses which processes to put onto which core, there doesn't > seem to be a way to change that. > > If the Bidule processing ends up on the same core as the graphic > processing, > then Bidule has less capability. > > I guess it depends on the order that you start your applications, > seemed like I could restart Bidule and get it onto the core > which had the lowest load. > > andy butler > > disclaimer > I don't have any specific knowledge about xp in this respect, > just looking at the 'performance' tab of the Widows task manager. > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> You are correct. Software optimization for dual core is a bonus to >> take advantage of additional duo core features, but not necessary. >> The system does a lot of things in the background between the two >> cores, running the OS and applications that make it much more >> efficient than a solo core system. Intel wouldn't release a >> product like this if it's power could only be unleashed by special >> software optimization. That would be ridiculous. >> Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 13:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B1E3BF1E; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight), loop@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: looping for childeren Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:43:23 +0000 Message-Id: <080420071343.16226.46B4827B00093D7800003F622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:43:25 +0000 (UTC) My daughter LOVES this. http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 15:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4843BF1D; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007e01c7d6aa$9d74cb50$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <4860A365-2A20-4BAC-9DFB-F1CD5FADD02E@gmail.com> Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:17:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Uk8lRn5BknFfg1H6IVSBxyO5yp48CBp5Moir fAxfoutSK7B8SnXKrF6xoDPVtEjf+0lpS7rC+0GNSEVFXepB+A Ee6+lB42CSXSCvPPUm8FILCLUi8OfBq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) YESYESYES!!! he did it. the "keyboard-footcontrol" looks exactly the way i imagined it in my disturbed dreams when i was in ukraine and my equipment wouldn't show... by the way - i got the stuff back the other day. TWO WEEKS later... smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? > On 3 aug 2007, at 07.33, aaron leese wrote: > >> Well ... if you go with midi you are stuck using a slower speed (31 >> kBits/sec).... so I'm kinda a fan of not using midi for most USB >> devices. Also, it's a bit harder to make it use MIDI. >> >> The simplest USB device just sends a quick array telling a PC what >> button(s) is currently pushed .... to do this you need to write both >> the firmware for the microcontroller, and the response program that runs >> on the PC. > > > Or you can smack up an extra USB computer keyboard. Here's an article on > that: > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/08/02/get-loopy-with-the-diy-10- > ableton-footcontroller-no-soldering-required/ > > (thinking about Tilmanns adventurous Ukraine gig when posting this... > LOL ) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 15:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EBB3BF0F; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: general question about equipment(dual core Hint) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <46B45CA9.7090600@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfWh+aIkvCiOrBPTaqM6j5RJOnO2AAKCOOw Message-Id: <200708040905562.SM00852@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da3b600970000bb8b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I'm pretty sure that it is not WinXP that determines which core is used. I believe it is the processor microcode that determines this (but not 100% sure) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 4:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: general question about equipment(dual core Hint) My experiments on a dual core machine (winXP) showed the following. Using Bidule (not optimised for dual core) it becomes apparent that all the Bidule processing is done by one of the cores. It also seems that the graphics for the operating system are handled in just one of the cores. WinXP chooses which processes to put onto which core, there doesn't seem to be a way to change that. If the Bidule processing ends up on the same core as the graphic processing, then Bidule has less capability. I guess it depends on the order that you start your applications, seemed like I could restart Bidule and get it onto the core which had the lowest load. andy butler disclaimer I don't have any specific knowledge about xp in this respect, just looking at the 'performance' tab of the Widows task manager. Krispen Hartung wrote: > You are correct. Software optimization for dual core is a bonus to > take advantage of additional duo core features, but not necessary. The > system does a lot of things in the background between the two cores, > running the OS and applications that make it much more efficient than > a solo core system. Intel wouldn't release a product like this if it's > power could only be unleashed by special software optimization. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 17:49:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007923BF08; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:44:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #540 for August 2, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46B4BAFB.2010508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070802.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #540 August 2, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Trance Appeal" by Wahnfried (Klaus Schulze and Jorg Schaaf) on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Gert Emmens School's Out A Boy's World (Groove) Broekhuis, Keller, Orange One Orange (Manikin) and Schoenwalder Free System Projekt Gent 5 Gent (none) Wahnfried Suspense Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Bizarre Trance Appeal (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wahnfried Rubbish Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Angel Heart Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried So What? Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Towarisch Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Das Madchen mag es Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried A Chilly Fiesta Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Esprit sans fronti Trance Appeal (Revisited) res Wahnfried Psychedelic Clubbing Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Le Sleep des Animaux Trance Appeal (Revisited) Wahnfried Marooned Trance Appeal (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blackdance" on Revisited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 20:59:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93E243BF02; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: trombone looping Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:00:14 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfW2nRYqZb0GH0ISYqVg1gOhvLzVw== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRB1D4Dtuk= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:59:54 +0000 (UTC) For the first time in years, I've picked up the trombone (which had been collecting dust in my living room - I had played the trombone quite a lot some 15 years ago, had even been fronting a rock group singing and playing trombone). The setup: trombone into laptop running live with: Mobius, edge (a freebie octaver VST), MadShifta, Live's reverb, LFX-1310 (and a few moments of cyclotron). The channel strip did also contain Live's compressor and EQ3. Let's see if this works with this link: http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZUcxTXRRUzhBNkUwTVE9PQ What I really enjoyed is how well edge worked with the trombone sound. And what you can do with the strange noises resulting from bad embochure when using them in granular looping. Feedback welcome! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 21:18:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3373E3BF1B; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more tuba loopage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Ouroboros, the instrumental improvisational live looped and processed tuba duo I play in with David Morris, played a house concert last Thursday. We recorded the set. # Dawn Chorus - 13min7sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/dawn_chorus.mp3 # Chaos - 9min58sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/chaos.mp3 # Walking with Belgrand, Part Two: The Phantom of the Sewers - 10min2sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand_two.mp3 # Meander - 10min2sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/meander.mp3 Ouroboros: http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ thanks, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 21:19:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6E503BEE2; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y8yYQuMAwG5aW0Ae6ufAtR1c6FpHm6gUH59wDKRtw/ZYj+SWG6ZYOrcDZt6GfZawiTrn2pWgk5L7WzPJQdf3INyXfZn1MUqD7Rr77p3a8jdEO+Jrm2esuwxJ9HY3f5nqsILJ0OVxiRrAqdk3Ng68V1KInNlH2tmh3uagZlaXsYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oaP0+NFKKLJO5PgKpnRD/j68rKCOqvElVyza1BkM7m22DJ4HjtN2zxx8NdluFx4JpbqBYS9stsR+wygtNeW2LGmAp76i+rAPaC6Mio9YnONhv8cwwvoqrVB7txu81CbhOcC+raoh6vBJTdvURPSD7Vjhp6dcSnLjaJIJQAuZK4w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E446A16-B7EE-476D-B57C-33F30051C31F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: trombone looping Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:19:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:19:57 +0000 (UTC) On 4 aug 2007, at 23.00, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Let's see if this works with this link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZUcxTXRRUzhBNkUwTVE9PQ > > What I really enjoyed is how well edge worked with the trombone > sound. And > what you can do with the strange noises resulting from bad > embochure when > using them in granular looping. I like that one very much! You should loop more with the trombone, but be careful not to retrieve your old chops! ;-) What I like with this recording is the "fragile playing while listening" attitude. You truly communicate something... something wicked... bizarre and wonderful stuff. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 23:06:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34E43BF00; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=DcDe/jgPXcCvjkQEtFAwegk3TkBUHMs3GBiuGwaGMrnlXEGYSwQms+KKIWJ1tNAyonX+svCA78r4dx4PgntOm4b+RYRL1yBr+cHS3evjgyL0D6yjSRBosj4ti9m+2d5XSFFV0PbVMfyWH2yVsya0OQ+ogsRoIHzGqulQYolNeXA=; X-YMail-OSG: OgMSnm8VM1ljob5s.nNGphkTcfc_gs_220fVCICkl4rhBZNTXM8jhLHWwdfEhiz0oQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Hart Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1856112754-1186268810=:41670" Message-ID: <794917.41670.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1856112754-1186268810=:41670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the responses!=0A=0AHere is what is going on. I am going to pla= y around and test my luck with virtually controlling my Echoplex... I'm com= bing through the EDP manual and there is a lot I haven't tried yet. There= are a lot of variables I have to contend with (duh)... so I'm not going t= o waste bandwidth groveling for an answer to my problems.=0A=0AMobius: I h= aven't researched this. I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's processing power= to record my loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram). I guess I should = check it out though!! Sounds cool judging by the content of this list.=0A= =0ATom - How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you did it): I slave = my echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase. Before I play I "draw" in the = midi note values to run my loops, multiply's, overdubs, etc in time with th= e drums. Having some problems making it do what I want when I try to next = loop or copy a phrase into another loop. Some commands fall on deaf virtua= l EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff doesn't work how I think it should.=0A= =0AIt is truly delicious not having to do the pedal dance while trying to p= lay the guitar. For real.=0A=0A=0AI'm new to this, but when I get my homew= ork done I'll turn it in to the list and go from there! This includes chec= king out Mobius. It may just be Win compatible I don't know. =0A=0AHal:= what is a FCB?=0A=0AClaude: Let me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map.= I want it!=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ANO, but this sounds truly delicious...= ........especially =0Aas I'm about to invest in a good laptop finally.=0A= =0A =0A=0ABut if you are running an Echoplex using Cubase, why =0Aon earth= aren't you using the freeware =0A=0AMobius which is like an Echoplex on st= eroids (in true =0Astereo with very high fidelity)?=0A=0A =0A=0Ayours, Ric= k=0A=0Adone that long time ago on cubase vst32=0Aif you want my EDP drum ma= p just ask I'll post it somewhere=0Aprobably not compatible with the curren= t versions=0A=0AClaude=0A=0ASounds cool, Adam. How do you do it =0Ain Cuba= se? =0A=0A =0A=0AI've done some controlling of the Echoplex within =0AAble= ton Live by setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain =0Athings= . Then when I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in =0ALive.=0A=0A =0A= =0ATom=0A=0ASure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I now do m= uch =0Athe same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate computer. M= obius is =0Amore flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" fu= nction, but for =0Areal-time control if you're interested in that it is eas= y to set up an FCB to =0Acontrol the EDP through C'base. I use a combinatio= n of real-time control and =0Asequences. Also consider the feature - I use = it so much I've forgotten what it =0Ais called in C'base - that translates = incoming MIDI =0Amessages. =0A=0A =0A=0AHal Dean=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A_________________________________________________________________= ___________________=0ATake the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet i= n your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. =0Ahttp://mobile.yahoo.com/go?ref= er=3D1GNXIC --0-1856112754-1186268810=:41670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the responses!
Here is what is going on.  I am going to play around and test my = luck with virtually controlling my Echoplex... I'm combing through the EDP = manual and there is a lot I haven't tried yet.   There are a lot = of variables I have to contend with (duh)...  so I'm not going to wast= e bandwidth groveling for an answer to my problems.

Mobius:  I = haven't researched this.  I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's processing= power to record my loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram).  I gues= s I should check it out though!!  Sounds cool judging by the content o= f this list.

Tom - How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you d= id it):  I slave my echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase.  Before I play I "draw" in the midi note values to run my loops, multiply's= , overdubs, etc in time with the drums.  Having some problems making i= t do what I want when I try to next loop or copy a phrase into another loop= .  Some commands fall on deaf virtual EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff= doesn't work how I think it should.

It is truly delicious not havin= g to do the pedal dance while trying to play the guitar.  For real.

I'm new to this, but when I get my homework done I'll turn it in t= o the list and go from there!  This includes checking out Mobius. = ;  It may just be Win compatible I don't know. 

Hal: wha= t is a FCB?

Claude: Let me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map.&n= bsp; I want it!

Adam




NO, but this sounds truly de= licious...........especially =0Aas I'm about to invest in a good laptop fin= ally.
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But if y= ou are running an Echoplex using Cubase,  why =0Aon earth aren't you u= sing the freeware
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Mobius which is= like an Echoplex on steroids (in true =0Astereo with very high fidelity)?<= /font>
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yours,  R= ick

done that long time ago on cubase vst32
if you want my= EDP drum map just ask I'll post it somewhere
probably not compatible wi= th the current versions

Claude

Sounds cool, Adam.  How do you do it =0Ain Cubase?&nbs= p;
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I've done some controlling of the Echoplex within =0AAbleton Live by setti= ng up midi files with notes that trigger certain =0Athings.  Then when= I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in =0ALive.
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Tom

Sure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I now do much =0Ath= e same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate computer. Mobius is = =0Amore flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" function, b= ut for =0Areal-time control if you're interested in that it is easy to set = up an FCB to =0Acontrol the EDP through C'base. I use a combination of real= -time control and =0Asequences. Also consider the feature - I use it so muc= h I've forgotten what it =0Ais called in C'base - that translates incoming = MIDI =0Amessages. 
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Hal Dean



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=0ACheck out fun summer activities for kids. --0-1856112754-1186268810=:41670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 4 23:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF603BF07; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c101c7d6f1$e71369a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <006101c7d456$0b57d510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C459B6B@keel.sailpoint.com> <007401c7d463$74c69290$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:48:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PoKW+HzhhCVVkdJmdxiWALz7NiOk0tTkO41N /D2+rga4rGhjGzqNo5BavW+Zisi/6euXEU6y9xwpUuqBBF8yMC mjg0LSImDme4MS+putm4a2+2FLkE/Bv Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:48:02 +0000 (UTC) alright, thanx for the note. i will take this into consideration. all the best - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig McCollough" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:46 AM Subject: Re: anybody built a usb controller, yet? > one note on this - the specs say 12Mb connection speed - meaning it's > USB 1.0. You wouldn't want to use a USB 2.0 audio interface on the > same bus as this device. > That said, I think I'll pick one up and have some fun. :-) > > Cheers! > Craig > > > On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> hi there, >> has anybody tried to build his/her own usb controller, yet? >> i want to get around a monster like fcb to minimize my set up. >> (after i had this gig where had to stomp around on a usb computer >> keyboard, the idea came up to build something proper that uses usb) >> >> i found this: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/ >> my plan is to have 7 footswitches for moebius and a footpedal for >> pitch shifting, etc. >> i'll report when i have the first results. >> >> if anybody has done similar, please let me know. >> (i have some questions. f.e. - the controller wants a linear >> potentiometer, but all effect pedals i looked at have logarithmic >> potis. can i use one anyway?) >> >> smooth looping - tilmann >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 01:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B990D3BF18; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--335327562 References: <67E6EC25BAD0FE468CCAAC4B8DC68A44013507B0@CO00MB03.landmarktheatres.com> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Fwd: O-Type (et al) website Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:36:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8_4XaB.A.2LH.JsStGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:42:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--335327562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey, I was at a movie theater in Berkeley and the pre movie music was great. The guy sent me a link and I share it with you, Loops abound... > http://www.quadrupedmedia.com/ > > > Later, > > -d > > > Dale Sophiea > > California Theatre > > 2113 Kittredge Street > > Berkeley, California 94704 > > 510-848-0621 office > > 510-848-0249 message > > 510-848-7676 fax > > > > --Apple-Mail-9--335327562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, I was at a movie theater in = Berkeley and the pre movie music was great.=A0 The guy sent me a link = and I share it with you,=A0 Loops abound...


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= --Apple-Mail-9--335327562-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 02:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2B93BF1A; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=swk2Z1mvUX5g40U+pQML/XM37ljDDenHAY/ZnrmpmOSteW6PJSVy680fCmh8f9Y+umcek57Q5zSgZj3mfR5RrWfHKM4rYkXKnqTTwTIgcyuRqgbxBIddL3ZqmR4DQImmxUl8uY/aRQcp/PBLbNH9VReEKt0C+a3EwWn3xIzZZLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Wqaw9Kn0L5pccTnciEreFHYltZBM4+lY0cRmHcJXV/+WfxlervdrfTIgNCUicBDnu5xCjV9XejEpdlGVAX4oftAOFAKABIBq2a1P9UXwtvXedsxwpe1kpzQWhUyKg7RW/mO22NCOzQdhZw8u+YgC+Bm4UAQZof6GzvX+KGRnXLw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:38:41 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Residents In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72047C5EA7@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70297_21703154.1186281521877" References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72047C5EA7@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:38:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70297_21703154.1186281521877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey even though Ralph Records died many years ago, the Residents are still at it. Here is their link: http://www.residents.com On 8/1/07, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > "skinny was born in a bath-tub > & he grew so incredibly thin > that even the end of an eye-dropper > sucked.. him.. in...." > > ah yes. > I saw them in 1989 at sadler's wells theatre. sitting in front of me was > the slightly balding legend pete shelley, founder of the buzzcocks. > > the show was "the king & eye", & it was quite a shock (to my system, > anyway) to hear that familiar voice at such close quarters & still not > be able to discern any features. there's an excellent book about the > whole residents/ralph records story, the name of which escapes me now, & > which my copy is out on loan somewhere. > > I'd have to say that my favourite period was the 70s era, up to "the > commercial album", I'd say. > santa dog '78, constantinople, 6 things to a cycle & so on. almost back > on topic there..... > > d. > > ------=_Part_70297_21703154.1186281521877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey even though Ralph Records died many years ago,
the Residents are still at it. Here is their link:
http://www.residents.com

On 8/1/07, Goddard, Duncan <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> wrote:
"skinny was born in a bath-tub
& he grew so incredibly thin
that even the end of an eye-dropper
sucked.. him.. in...."

ah yes.
I saw them in 1989 at sadler's wells theatre. sitting in front of me was
the slightly balding legend pete shelley, founder of the buzzcocks.

the show was "the king & eye", & it was quite a shock (to my system,
anyway) to hear that familiar voice at such close quarters & still not
be able to discern any features. there's an excellent book about the
whole residents/ralph records story, the name of which escapes me now, &
which my copy is out on loan somewhere.

I'd have to say that my favourite period was the 70s era, up to "the
commercial album", I'd say.
santa dog '78, constantinople, 6 things to a cycle & so on. almost back
on topic there.....

d.


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Ewing=92s Sarcoma = is a rare=20 form of Cancer, but in the United States alone, thousands suffer or have = their=20 lives taken away too soon by this disease. =20 Thanks to "Indie Music Unified", a collection of talented = individuals who=20 have their finger on the pulse of the Independent Music Industry, a = compilation=20 CD titled, =93Stomp Out Cancer: Indie Musicians Fight Ewing=92s = Sarcoma,=94 will work=20 to bring support to researchers and Doctors with 100% of the CD=92s = earnings going=20 towards finding a Ewing=92s Sarcoma vaccine, and early detection testing=20 methods.

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Wheat,=20 out of this project, wants people to know that Steven Mackin was a bright = spot=20 in the lives of hundreds of people. His death touched the lives of people = all=20 across the World, with his constant communications with friends both = online, and=20 offline through his constant communications through chat software, = community=20 based websites, and his LiveJournal account.

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These individuals are working to bring = this=20 project to life with new CD technology, promotion, and artist incentives - = along=20 with keeping the project goal in mind, which is to raise as much money to = fight=20 Ewing's Sarcoma as possible. The official website for the "Stomp Out = Cancer" CD=20 project can be found at: www.stompoutcancer.com.

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The mixed genre CD = is=20 slated to be released on October 28th, 2007 in loving memory = of=20 Steven Michael Mackin. Artists wishing to be a part of this compilation = can=20 submit their entries via SonicBids (http://www.sonicbids.com/s= tompoutcancer).

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 18:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152303BF0F; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:00:28 -0400 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trombone looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6C931A34.11E44A0E.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 71.253.44.68 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:00:32 +0000 (UTC) rainer.....i really loved this piece.....do a movie like the instillation with this as the soundtrac.....fantastic!.....THNAKS.....michael -- http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 20:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574833BF06; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c7d7a1$d0fbae10$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <794917.41670.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:47:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7D767.24687FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:47:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7D767.24687FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm experimenting with playing the EDP with a MIDI keyboard right now = through Cubase, especially with the SUS functions. It's a desktop = setup, and I've been streaming AM talk radio through the mixer into the = Echolpex, and feeding both channels into Cubase, which I'm recording, = along with the incoming MIDI. (I'm getting a lot of other MIDI stuff = coming into the EDP, though, which I have to figure out how to filter = out in Cubase.) One thing was kind of cool, was to use the same = recorded MIDI to continue to control the incoming radio stream. I = thought it all would be the same, but it was all different, because of = the different rhythms in the spoken word! Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Thanks for the responses! Here is what is going on. I am going to play around and test my luck = with virtually controlling my Echoplex... I'm combing through the EDP = manual and there is a lot I haven't tried yet. There are a lot of = variables I have to contend with (duh)... so I'm not going to waste = bandwidth groveling for an answer to my problems. Mobius: I haven't researched this. I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's = processing power to record my loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram). = I guess I should check it out though!! Sounds cool judging by the = content of this list. Tom - How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you did it): I = slave my echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase. Before I play I = "draw" in the midi note values to run my loops, multiply's, overdubs, = etc in time with the drums. Having some problems making it do what I = want when I try to next loop or copy a phrase into another loop. Some = commands fall on deaf virtual EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff doesn't = work how I think it should. It is truly delicious not having to do the pedal dance while trying to = play the guitar. For real. I'm new to this, but when I get my homework done I'll turn it in to = the list and go from there! This includes checking out Mobius. It may = just be Win compatible I don't know. =20 Hal: what is a FCB? Claude: Let me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map. I want it! Adam NO, but this sounds truly delicious...........especially as I'm about = to invest in a good laptop finally. But if you are running an Echoplex using Cubase, why on earth aren't = you using the freeware=20 Mobius which is like an Echoplex on steroids (in true stereo with very = high fidelity)? yours, Rick done that long time ago on cubase vst32 if you want my EDP drum map just ask I'll post it somewhere probably not compatible with the current versions Claude Sounds cool, Adam. How do you do it in Cubase? =20 I've done some controlling of the Echoplex within Ableton Live by = setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain things. Then when = I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in Live. Tom Sure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I now do much the = same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate computer. Mobius is = more flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" function, = but for real-time control if you're interested in that it is easy to set = up an FCB to control the EDP through C'base. I use a combination of = real-time control and sequences. Also consider the feature - I use it so = much I've forgotten what it is called in C'base - that translates = incoming MIDI messages.=20 Hal Dean -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Got a little couch potato?=20 Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7D767.24687FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm experimenting with playing the EDP = with a MIDI=20 keyboard right now through Cubase, especially with the SUS = functions.  It's=20 a desktop setup, and I've been streaming AM talk radio through the=20 mixer into the Echolpex, and feeding both channels into Cubase, = which I'm=20 recording, along with the incoming MIDI.  (I'm getting a lot of = other MIDI=20 stuff coming into the EDP, though, which I have to figure out how to = filter out=20 in Cubase.)  One thing was kind of cool, was to use the same = recorded MIDI=20 to continue to control the incoming radio stream.  I thought it all = would=20 be the same, but it was all different, because of the different rhythms = in the=20 spoken word!
 
Tom
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Adam Hart=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 = 4:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: Controlling = Echoplex w/=20 Cubase

Thanks for the responses!

Here is what = is going=20 on.  I am going to play around and test my luck with virtually=20 controlling my Echoplex... I'm combing through the EDP manual and = there is a=20 lot I haven't tried yet.   There are a lot of variables I = have to=20 contend with (duh)...  so I'm not going to waste bandwidth = groveling for=20 an answer to my problems.

Mobius:  I haven't researched=20 this.  I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's processing power to = record my=20 loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram).  I guess I should = check it out=20 though!!  Sounds cool judging by the content of this = list.

Tom -=20 How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you did it):  I slave = my=20 echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase.  Before I play I "draw" = in the=20 midi note values to run my loops, multiply's, overdubs, etc in time = with the=20 drums.  Having some problems making it do what I want when I try = to next=20 loop or copy a phrase into another loop.  Some commands fall on = deaf=20 virtual EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff doesn't work how I think it=20 should.

It is truly delicious not having to do the pedal dance = while=20 trying to play the guitar.  For real.


I'm new to this, = but=20 when I get my homework done I'll turn it in to the list and go from=20 there!  This includes checking out Mobius.   It may = just be Win=20 compatible I don't know. 

Hal: what is a = FCB?

Claude: Let=20 me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map.  I want=20 it!

Adam




NO, but this sounds truly=20 delicious...........especially as I'm about to invest in a good laptop = finally.
 
But if you are running an Echoplex using = Cubase, =20 why on earth aren't you using the freeware
Mobius which is like an Echoplex on steroids = (in true=20 stereo with very high fidelity)?
 
yours,  Rick

done that long = time ago=20 on cubase vst32
if you want my EDP drum map just ask I'll post it=20 somewhere
probably not compatible with the current=20 versions

Claude

Sounds cool, Adam.  How do = you do=20 it in Cubase? 
 
I've done some controlling of the = Echoplex within=20 Ableton Live by setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain=20 things.  Then when I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in=20 Live.
 
Tom
Sure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I = now do=20 much the same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate = computer. Mobius=20 is more flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" = function, but=20 for real-time control if you're interested in that it is easy to set = up an FCB=20 to control the EDP through C'base. I use a combination of real-time = control=20 and sequences. Also consider the feature - I use it so much I've = forgotten=20 what it is called in C'base - that translates incoming MIDI=20 messages. 
 
Hal Dean


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Check out fun summer= =20 activities for kids. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7D767.24687FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 21:21:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76AAC3BF13; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1853903237.1186348906880.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:21:46 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trombone looping Cc: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 24.216.248.15 by mail.charter.net; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:21:46 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, This is quite the loveliest thing I've heard you do. 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So??? ---- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:=20 > For the first time in years, I've picked up the trombone (which had been > collecting dust in my living room - I had played the trombone quite a lot > some 15 years ago, had even been fronting a rock group singing and playin= g > trombone). >=20 > The setup: trombone into laptop running live with: Mobius, edge (a freebi= e > octaver VST), MadShifta, Live's reverb, LFX-1310 (and a few moments of > cyclotron). The channel strip did also contain Live's compressor and EQ3. >=20 > Let's see if this works with this link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZUcxTXRRUzhBNkUwTVE9PQ=20 >=20 > What I really enjoyed is how well edge worked with the trombone sound. An= d > what you can do with the strange noises resulting from bad embochure when > using them in granular looping. >=20 > Feedback welcome! >=20 > =09Rainer >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 21:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B03103BF0E; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1853903237.1186348906880.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> References: <1853903237.1186348906880.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: trombone looping Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:23:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <8YKylC.A.tzB.S_jtGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > harmonics= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 21:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA713BF13; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: trombone looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1853903237.1186348906880.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-589770200-1127913213-1186349480=:19661" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:31:28 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---589770200-1127913213-1186349480=:19661 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA > > On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > >> harmonics I liked the first version, Ted. Where *does* one keep old harmonics? :) Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---589770200-1127913213-1186349480=:19661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 22:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5B53BF1D; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hsDPwB05Iw44OhU3YZ4UpNIlREuyJP+oPedsglSUhbQeI1R4aQNg58mhoQdE2Po5ekeMTKLzp4WV3p5d34gyQsAfCYB5KORJeG70xdLw1NICpKJnM0dk3ruq5WtrrPDqtnhpCCv/25kvSrYmNV+XEkRWyo79fG/gUOG1mFRsw0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MzybHvh1XRWOv6OgA8ZE9CHX/RKR+lYRV558CkeUWkJ2/QCI7V5NjcY8m11/6JwgqvwHvAC0ys0HU0aS01uY1uggOOGYJHkrONOO1VMDsEbwdZE+x5tbwScJw77+X0knEuPco9uLwVM9B6gLVAS0/Umrx0K4InF/Iuj0GwXUClk= Message-ID: <15d0840708051524x85bcff7s303b3acfd6a47024@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:24:35 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: trombone looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20000_22405408.1186352675356" References: <1853903237.1186348906880.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Resent-Message-ID: <64bugD.A.f_D.k4ktGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:24:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20000_22405408.1186352675356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline in a magical magical place On 8/5/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, tEd (r) KiLLiAn wrote: > > > Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA > > > > On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: > > > >> harmonics > > I liked the first version, Ted. Where *does* one keep old harmonics? :) > > Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_20000_22405408.1186352675356 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline in a magical magical place

On 8/5/07, burnett@pobox.com <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote:

> Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA
>
> On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote:
>
>> harmonics

I liked the first version, Ted. Where *does* one keep old harmonics? :)

Steve Burnett   Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/



--
Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_20000_22405408.1186352675356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 22:48:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6C43BF15; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=q8YgCDFrn0WyjRvyfKk2HO8L5YkiIM2+8tZ/7SMMCS+bPoRGX27FZ1iV7a85i/AOca/nOz7c3y/UP4xZoSGKZ5a0UeO71iSAWDl5Rm/H0N93cunmO1qiHMarEhb+tqFBFJWV4ESgOKYyDHWvQUGdjvlEizbT7tJkPAAZOPWp2lg=; X-YMail-OSG: 9Ln_lTEVM1nAs_xiMDpy66HWQg2LZRJ37U5XrQTH40aytQNR2xYrC6KunfAjSZf4oxPxP1edoCJ8wpEJ.YxMBMnehowetO3dA3Pjhqr9W1dwT3_pEp42R5Ct7M46CA-- Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: Re: trombone looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d0840708051524x85bcff7s303b3acfd6a47024@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1518128994-1186354082=:73580" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640806.73580.qm@web38411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:48:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-1518128994-1186354082=:73580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Trombone looping??!! Man, some folks on this board must be really BORED! Think I'll stick to playing with my "trombone"! Oh, ah! Matthew Johnson wrote: in a magical magical place On 8/5/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA > > On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > >> harmonics I liked the first version, Ted. Where *does* one keep old harmonics? :) Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ -- Matt H. Johnson --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --0-1518128994-1186354082=:73580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Trombone looping??!! Man, some folks on this board must be really BORED!
 
Think I'll stick to playing with my "trombone"! Oh, ah!

Matthew Johnson <matthjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
in a magical magical place

On 8/5/07, burnett@pobox.com <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote:

> Damn typos . . that's HARMONICA
>
> On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:21 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote:
>
>> harmonics

I liked the first version, Ted. Where *does* one keep old harmonics? :)

Steve Burnett   Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/



--
Matt H. Johnson

Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --0-1518128994-1186354082=:73580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 22:54:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768613BF0F; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:54:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:54:37 +0000 (UTC) There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, though. Also a new track: A friend asked me to play something with a dark mood, "film noir" or so... He couldn't use it, that's why it ends rather abruptly. http://bernhardwagner.net/soundz/kallis1.mp3 (13.13 MB, 09'33) Thanks for listening Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 5 23:26:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07E8B3BF10; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5POF1Iss5T3Svjd5YHGPNpfdvYQ7y10zCQ== X-Originating-IP: [72.65.154.172] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:24:55 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video and new track X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070805.192455.11357.0@webmail15.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain X-ContentStamp: 2:3:4128281402 X-MAIL-INFO:1aa005690d0054b4a90039459130b4e1b4919d09895085a4a114f9796d9050b5a599dd6dc0e03444f0e44904bd75690c752d40690c4000f4ad90b955c940ad85c015c9e559edc0ad71547531e929401d9179b091a591f9a499a199a5f0042ded142d25b13d35b1b42070c44539c1cdede1c18d7965c965515190019029e5906074 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.155|webmail15.dca.untd.com|webmail15.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Also a new track: A friend asked me to play something with a dark = mood, "film noir" or so... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 07:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F843BF10; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19IcvYqyOZI7uLlb9bsZtSsCjTkgJ8mJlXuDIkJY8 an0bEk78ONJtcp Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3c129ea2fedb0da2187bf9db742fb467@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:30:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:29:44 +0000 (UTC) I'm watching the video clip right now (works fine on my Mac OS X...). Good stuff and very inspiring! Will have to rummage through my closet for a slide bar :-). It seems to me, though, that ambient music played in broad daylight never quite has the impact it could have. Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 07:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0ED3BF15; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <3c129ea2fedb0da2187bf9db742fb467@gmx.net> References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> <3c129ea2fedb0da2187bf9db742fb467@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8670902F-71FE-4412-96E4-3B5E62C5A581@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:48:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Nico. It's true, I'd have preferred to play at dusk or dawn. But I was happy to be offered any slot at an open air. Speaking of daylight: I had problems reading the displays of EDP / Lexicon and also the LEDs of my stomp boxes. How do others deal with this problem? Build the newer, brighter LEDs into the old stomp boxes? Or do these new LEDs draw too much power? On 06.08.2007, at 09:30, nico spahni wrote: > It seems to me, though, that ambient music played in broad daylight > never quite has the impact it could have. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:23:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 695473BEF7; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:23:53 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070806112353.21980@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204681652@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <808EB79E-9EFD-4C64-961F-0A5758604D11@gmail.com> <0d2c01c7d2d5$60aa0290$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Free good plug-ins within OSX (was: Re: choosing the right laptop for live looping , real time DSP processing and running Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18T/Is9/CUT5GUlUy9vDccR0HdGyG/k+B9FRFP/OQ G8tVJRzpj+mNJYl3VquNgkyS7GdMBKQ6p5ZA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: /zGFfqE7Pjl+JZwvzTQ2mo47MTE2NQkV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, I'll check them out (yes, there _are_ OSX users on this forum ;-) Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 11:56:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE0F3BF0D; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iTxy2Wqggj4rRfXD/aJkocyDuhEX9aiC4YRqRtB+81CqEYgwWOLphqYSaBZiuvHQtdTTBtYPQlMOfln0eqqAeBHJk5qBNtfD4tRDVFWaIJJo54oNAL+kh5KwBs4QOD8pWIGst5VncKxvKf3HdsAubmDU1avqfxLFzHPtpOuD0YA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BgD2iWoqvctcdh+aa8ZNwIMuKrvNBMRylr44cjUQgWbMKj1usMTsUrCxN/bD9D2redSeGMDLwJpolRb6g7IZd2OPB7wjr32YaSL8XgEJGtMPTch5FOLckhoqHfTgqYsriTLUE5MnhCparmXk5GA8x5j+fQMPXiEwnYHQPi6LCnE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:56:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:56:07 +0000 (UTC) On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: > http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 > http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv > > I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, > though. Very good video shooting! But Bernhard.... you are not wearing your special LOOPING SHOES! Anyway, I'm enjoying the music here (both video and mp3 track). You really have a unique personal sound. BTW, both video's played back fine here on my OSX Mac; one opened directly in the web browser Safari and the other opened in Windows Media Player. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 12:48:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91D143BF18; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7D828.231A0CEF" Subject: RE: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2B01@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <794917.41670.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Thread-Index: AcfYKB46vl+kOtqoSx20hX9E+AX7Jw== From: "Dean, Hal " To: "Adam Hart" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2007 12:48:49.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[227EDF60:01C7D828] Resent-Message-ID: <03_n2.A.3fH.tixtGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:48:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D828.231A0CEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam, "FCB" is shorthand for the ubiquitous Behringer FCB 1010, a workhorse MIDI pedal board that, coupled with a software editor, provides very flexible and easy to use real-time MIDI control. =20 I haven't done it much but an interesting (albeit fairly obvious) twist on the way you are working is to record the MIDI events that a controller is putting out in real time as you improvise ... or perform a somewhat or entirely predetermined set of foot stomps and pedal swoops.. The MIDI track you just recorded in C'base can of course now be edited. It is now available to allow that hands-free, and even foot-free, mode that you like. =20 =20 Hal=20 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Hart [mailto:loop.troop@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase Thanks for the responses! =09 Here is what is going on. I am going to play around and test my luck with virtually controlling my Echoplex... I'm combing through the EDP manual and there is a lot I haven't tried yet. There are a lot of variables I have to contend with (duh)... so I'm not going to waste bandwidth groveling for an answer to my problems. =09 Mobius: I haven't researched this. I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's processing power to record my loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram). I guess I should check it out though!! Sounds cool judging by the content of this list. =09 Tom - How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you did it): I slave my echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase. Before I play I "draw" in the midi note values to run my loops, multiply's, overdubs, etc in time with the drums. Having some problems making it do what I want when I try to next loop or copy a phrase into another loop. Some commands fall on deaf virtual EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff doesn't work how I think it should. =09 It is truly delicious not having to do the pedal dance while trying to play the guitar. For real. =09 =09 I'm new to this, but when I get my homework done I'll turn it in to the list and go from there! This includes checking out Mobius. It may just be Win compatible I don't know. =20 =09 Hal: what is a FCB? =09 Claude: Let me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map. I want it! =09 Adam =09 =09 =09 =09 NO, but this sounds truly delicious...........especially as I'm about to invest in a good laptop finally. =20 But if you are running an Echoplex using Cubase, why on earth aren't you using the freeware=20 Mobius which is like an Echoplex on steroids (in true stereo with very high fidelity)? =20 yours, Rick =09 done that long time ago on cubase vst32 if you want my EDP drum map just ask I'll post it somewhere probably not compatible with the current versions =09 Claude =09 =09 Sounds cool, Adam. How do you do it in Cubase? =20 =20 I've done some controlling of the Echoplex within Ableton Live by setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain things. Then when I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in Live. =20 Tom =09 =09 Sure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I now do much the same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate computer. Mobius is more flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" function, but for real-time control if you're interested in that it is easy to set up an FCB to control the EDP through C'base. I use a combination of real-time control and sequences. Also consider the feature - I use it so much I've forgotten what it is called in C'base - that translates incoming MIDI messages.=20 =20 Hal Dean ________________________________ Got a little couch potato?=20 Check out fun summer activities for kids. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D828.231A0CEF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Adam, "FCB" is shorthand for the ubiquitous = Behringer FCB=20 1010, a workhorse MIDI pedal board that, coupled with a software editor, = provides very flexible and easy to use real-time MIDI=20 control.
 
I=20 haven't done it much but an interesting (albeit fairly obvious) twist on = the way=20 you are working is to record the MIDI events that a controller is = putting out in=20 real time as you improvise ... or perform a somewhat or entirely = predetermined=20 set of foot stomps and pedal swoops.. The MIDI track you just = recorded in=20 C'base can of course now be edited. It is now available to allow that=20 hands-free, and even foot-free, mode that you=20 like.  
 
Hal 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hart=20 [mailto:loop.troop@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 = 7:07=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Controlling Echoplex w/ Cubase

Thanks for the responses!

Here is what = is going=20 on.  I am going to play around and test my luck with virtually=20 controlling my Echoplex... I'm combing through the EDP manual and = there is a=20 lot I haven't tried yet.   There are a lot of variables I = have to=20 contend with (duh)...  so I'm not going to waste bandwidth = groveling for=20 an answer to my problems.

Mobius:  I haven't researched=20 this.  I'm hesitant to rely on my CPU's processing power to = record my=20 loops when playing live (Mac OSX 2GB ram).  I guess I should = check it out=20 though!!  Sounds cool judging by the content of this = list.

Tom -=20 How I do it in Cubase (sort of the same way you did it):  I slave = my=20 echoplex to a midi drum track in Cubase.  Before I play I "draw" = in the=20 midi note values to run my loops, multiply's, overdubs, etc in time = with the=20 drums.  Having some problems making it do what I want when I try = to next=20 loop or copy a phrase into another loop.  Some commands fall on = deaf=20 virtual EDP ears and the NoteOn, NoteOff doesn't work how I think it=20 should.

It is truly delicious not having to do the pedal dance = while=20 trying to play the guitar.  For real.


I'm new to this, = but=20 when I get my homework done I'll turn it in to the list and go from=20 there!  This includes checking out Mobius.   It may = just be Win=20 compatible I don't know. 

Hal: what is a = FCB?

Claude: Let=20 me(us) know if you post your EDP drum map.  I want=20 it!

Adam




NO, but this sounds truly=20 delicious...........especially as I'm about to invest in a good laptop = finally.
 
But if you are running an Echoplex using = Cubase, =20 why on earth aren't you using the freeware
Mobius which is like an Echoplex on steroids = (in true=20 stereo with very high fidelity)?
 
yours,  Rick

done that long = time ago=20 on cubase vst32
if you want my EDP drum map just ask I'll post it=20 somewhere
probably not compatible with the current=20 versions

Claude

Sounds cool, Adam.  How do = you do=20 it in Cubase? 
 
I've done some controlling of the = Echoplex within=20 Ableton Live by setting up midi files with notes that trigger certain=20 things.  Then when I wanted to, I would trigger that cell in=20 Live.
 
Tom
Sure, or at least I used to do so when using an EDP. I = now do=20 much the same with Mobius, which I have running on a separate = computer. Mobius=20 is more flexible with regard to commands since it has a "learn" = function, but=20 for real-time control if you're interested in that it is easy to set = up an FCB=20 to control the EDP through C'base. I use a combination of real-time = control=20 and sequences. Also consider the feature - I use it so much I've = forgotten=20 what it is called in C'base - that translates incoming MIDI=20 messages. 
 
Hal Dean


Got a little couch potato?
Check out fun summer= =20 activities for kids.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D828.231A0CEF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 12:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF013BF21; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 610547654-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.51.160 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAD63tkZPQTOg/2dsb2JhbACCIaso Message-ID: <46B71A55.6020608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:55:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video and new track References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:56:49 +0000 (UTC) > Very good video shooting! But Bernhard.... you are not wearing your > special LOOPING SHOES! not needed for ambient From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 15:15:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEAC73BED6; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:15:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? To: "LD LoopersDelight" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XZUhl6e6XFdo5+s9poWdinjqSVYzeG5SydHvlCx 4RJ8yfvqCC8mBAU5DWGz129MOCz9g4VrUrgw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: EAKPc3MwbmwoRdtpkzZLU4pPUzc4ctEW Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys (+ Girls?) I wanted to fulfill my dream of a humble, battery-driven looping setup with an RC-2. My understanding is that the RC-2 has only a Guitar Input. So, I guess I need a Mic PreAmp, something like the small ART Mic PreAmps (http://artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=79&cat=1&id=58). Do you have any suggestions that are __battery__ driven? Can be also anything else (small mixer, effect..) - it just should be small, battery driven and have a reasonable price & sound quality for live performance. Thanks Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 15:19:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEBFE3BF1F; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:19:55 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Practicing Looping in the Dark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/kB3kD9nrkD/F5IbgFYFv3stXSzwT7p7faH1MgUJ B3GtnRh64MValcQTCeefwBfuG9vANkvIsXOg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: fk3eKT17MydhZv5OkWtlsLljaGRhZlrQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:19:57 +0000 (UTC) While we are at it, here is a suggestion + invitation for feedback: Recently, I have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch dark room and found the experience VERY useful. Being able to sense the knobs/settings by heart and do the right moves without any visual feedback (except LEDs) has been a really good training. I haven't really needed these skills yet in a live situation, but I think it can give you more confidence, not getting irritated by insufficient lighting etc. Do you also have any experience on this? Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 15:28:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12373BF0B; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:28:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:28:23 +0000 (UTC) I have been considering this: http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html It doesn't have XLR, but they do appear have pre-amps and level control. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Guys (+ Girls?) > > I wanted to fulfill my dream of a humble, battery-driven looping setup > with an RC-2. > My understanding is that the RC-2 has only a Guitar Input. So, I guess I > need a Mic PreAmp, something like the small ART Mic PreAmps > (http://artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=79&cat=1&id=58). > > Do you have any suggestions that are __battery__ driven? > Can be also anything else (small mixer, effect..) - it just should be > small, battery driven and have a reasonable price & sound quality for live > performance. > > Thanks > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 15:29:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC9A3BF27; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:29:38 EDT Subject: Re: Stylus RMX (was: Re: general question about equipment) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186414178" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186414178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/3/2007 6:30:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, perboysen@gmail.com writes: When I bought RMX I had an idea that it would be cool to use on stage on a laptop as part of improvised performances. But I soon found out it is too CPU demanding and unstable for that. I also felt bit lame to use those pre recorded drum sounds live so I thought I would either make the drumming by vocal beatboxing or other percussive sounds made by flute. But RMX is really good for producing recorded music and that's how I use it. I only use it as AU plug-in i Logic and in all ways; in "groove mode" as well as in "slice mode". I use all kinds of randomizations, both the chaos machine and the buzz. I also record and make my own RMX files from sessions with hand drum percussionists and myself playing guitar. Especially funky rhythm guitar is very creative to have pre-recorded as RMX files when working on a studio production and you want to try out those kind of patterns. Yes, I drag MIDI patterns ("slice" or "groove mode" type of MIDI sequences) from RMX onto dedicated channels in Logic. Quite often I use all available eight RMX channels and I bring out the audio as multichannel; so each drum comes up on its own channel in Logic's mixer. That's because I don't like the library sounds much and want to process them with Logic's effects to give it a new touch. I think RMX is a genius studio production tool. The feel you get when applying a slight amount of randomization to all eight drum tracks is something really unique. I've never "run out of memory" because of RMX. But I must say that I'm not sure what you mean by that expression? Maybe that's because I'm using Logic, since Logic's sampler works in a way that if RAM is getting short it dumps some of the samples and starts streaming them from the hard drive instead of keeping it all in the RAM. That is what I REALLY like about the Loopers Delight list. I can so relate. RMX is a shockingly capable tool. Currently I using it pretty much on almost every piece I am working on. Between it and the Live sequencer program itself I cannot say which I am more addicted to! ;-) "Out of Memory" will occur most often when you are attempting to cache or "capture" too much in the Chaos designer while simultaneously running midi channel exclusive sound menu selections. That, or getting carried away with the Power Filter. RMX can eat RAM for breakfast when it wants to and when it does, it tells you via the "Out of Memory" flag in it's Value Display in the Footer. I spoke with Eric Persing recently and the issue I have with the reappearing "transparent" RMX module is definitely due to intensive RAM consumption. It's all too cool though Per, as you have said and as I am finding out everyday, Stylus is all about working smarter and not harder. It's cool to learn as I go & I certainly am! I recently designed a basic Live 6.0 set template that I call the "RMX Think Tank" I have only used it for a few days and already I have enjoyed tremendous productivity as a result. It requires 9 midi tracks & two audio. I typically start and work from the session view perspective in Live and this is how it's laid out: The first two tracks starting on the left of the screen are audio tracks. Track 1 is for a dedicated audio input from the main Stylus midi track (Track 3) itself. Track 2 is for resampling. Tracks 4 through 11 are the midi tracks used to host 8 of the Stylus midi channels. (I have heard that Stylus can actually do 16 simultaneous, but have not found out yet how) What I have been doing since the "Stylus Think Tank's" inception is using the first 4 of these tracks for Suite Elements, the next 2 tracks host Sound Menu samples and the last two are currently being used for yet two more Suite Elements. In the future however, I can in my crafty little diabolic mind envision those last two tracks being devoted to my self generated imported Rex files. UHMmmWwahhahahaha. ;-) What this Live set format does is allow me to switch between Stylus as a resampled single tracked stereo Groove Module plug in, or by pre-loading files that are dragged into Live's tracks, I can sequence & mix these tracks & their contained beat file variations (enter chaos) to eternity. This being all the while I control both Live's mixer/effects as well as the Stylus mixer/effects via midi remote control to automate the live set as it records to the arrangement view format. If the object is to provide a percussion landscape to improvise over, I am pretty much done. Just pack up the laptop, hit the corresponding midi mapped "play" button on my controller and it's off to the races on stage or in the studio. If I want to add the arrangement set to a present or future composition , I render the arrangement to disc and add it to any session view at anytime. . ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186414178 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/3/2007 6:30:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 perboysen@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>When I=20 bought RMX I had an idea that it would be cool to use on stage 
o= n a=20 laptop as part of improvised performances. But I soon found out 
= it=20 is too CPU demanding and unstable for that. I also felt bit lame  to=20 use those pre recorded drum sounds live so I thought I would 
eit= her=20 make the drumming by vocal beatboxing or other percussive 
sounds= =20 made by flute. But RMX is really good for producing recorded 
mus= ic=20 and that's how I use it. I only use it as AU plug-in i Logic 
and= in=20 all ways; in "groove mode" as well as in "slice mode". I use 
all= =20 kinds of randomizations, both the chaos machine and the buzz. I 
= also=20 record and make my own RMX files from sessions with hand drum =20
percussionists and myself playing guitar. Especially funky rhythm = ;=20
guitar is very creative to have pre-recorded as RMX files when =20
working on a studio production and you want to try out those kind of&n= bsp;=20
patterns. Yes, I drag MIDI patterns ("slice" or "groove mode" type=20 of 
MIDI sequences) from RMX onto dedicated channels in Logic.=20 Quite 
often I use all available eight RMX channels and I bring o= ut=20 the 
audio as multichannel; so each drum comes up on its own chan= nel=20 in 
Logic's mixer. That's because I don't like the library sounds= =20 much 
and want to process them with Logic's effects to give it a=20= new=20 touch. 
I think RMX is a genius studio production tool. The feel=20= you=20 get when 
applying a slight amount of randomization to all eight=20= drum=20 tracks is 
something really unique.

I've never "run out of= =20 memory" because of RMX. But I must say that 
I'm not sure what yo= u=20 mean by that expression? Maybe that's because 
I'm using Logic, s= ince=20 Logic's sampler works in a way that if RAM is 
getting short it d= umps=20 some of the samples and starts streaming them 
from the hard driv= e=20 instead of keeping it all in the RAM.
That is what I REALLY like about the Loopers Delight list. I can so rel= ate.=20 RMX is a shockingly capable tool. Currently I using it pretty much on almost= =20 every piece I am working on. Between it and the Live sequencer pro= gram=20 itself I cannot say which I am more addicted to! ;-)
 
"Out of Memory" will occur most often when you are attempting to c= ache=20 or "capture" too much in the Chaos designer while simultaneously runnin= g=20 midi channel exclusive sound menu selections. That, or getting carried away=20= with=20 the Power Filter. RMX can eat RAM for breakfast when it wants to and when it= =20 does, it tells you via the "Out of Memory" flag in it's Value Display i= n=20 the Footer. I spoke with Eric Persing recently and the issue I have wit= h=20 the reappearing "transparent" RMX module is definitely due to intensive= RAM=20 consumption. It's all too cool though Per, as you have said and as I am find= ing=20 out everyday, Stylus is all about working smarter and not harder. It's cool=20= to=20 learn as I go & I certainly am!
 
I recently designed a basic Live 6.0 set template that I call the=20= "RMX=20 Think Tank" I have only used it for a few days and already I=20 have enjoyed tremendous productivity as a result. It requires 9 midi tr= acks=20 & two audio. I typically start and work from the session view=20 perspective in Live and this is how it's laid out:
 
The first two tracks starting on the left of the screen are audio=20 tracks. Track 1 is for a dedicated audio input from the main Stylu= s=20 midi track (Track 3) itself. Track 2 is for resampling. Track= s 4=20 through 11 are the midi tracks used to host 8 of the Stylus midi=20 channels. (I have heard that Stylus can actually do 16 simultaneous, but hav= e=20 not found out yet how) What I have been doing since the "Stylus Think=20 Tank's" inception is using the first 4 of these tracks for Suite Elemen= ts,=20 the next 2 tracks host Sound Menu samples and the last two are currently bei= ng=20 used for yet two more Suite Elements. In the future however, I can in m= y=20 crafty little diabolic mind envision those last two tracks being devoted&nbs= p;to=20 my self generated imported Rex files. UHMmmWwahhahahaha. ;-)
 
What this Live set format does is allow me to switch between Stylu= s as=20 a resampled single tracked stereo Groove Module plug in, or by pre-load= ing=20 files that are dragged into Live's tracks, I can sequence &=20 mix these tracks & their contained beat file variations (enter= =20 chaos) to eternity. This being all the while I control both Live's= =20 mixer/effects as well as the Stylus mixer/effects via midi remote=20 control to automate the live set as it records to the arrangement=20 view format.
 
If the object is to provide a percussion landscape to improvise over, I= am=20 pretty much done. Just pack up the laptop, hit the corresponding midi mapped= =20 "play" button on my controller and it's off to the races on stage or in the=20 studio. If I want to add the arrangement set to a present or future composit= ion=20 , I render the arrangement to disc and add it to any session view at=20 anytime.     
.  
 
   



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-------------------------------1186414178-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 15:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CA1A3BF12; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:49:16 EDT Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186415356" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186415356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:20:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, buzap@gmx.net writes: While we are at it, here is a suggestion + invitation for feedback: Recently, I have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch dark room and found the experience VERY useful. Being able to sense the knobs/settings by heart and do the right moves without any visual feedback (except LEDs) has been a really good training. I haven't really needed these skills yet in a live situation, but I think it can give you more confidence, not getting irritated by insufficient lighting etc. Do you also have any experience on this? Buzap May the force be with you. This is actually a super suggestion and makes a lot of sense. Thanks! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186415356 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:20:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 buzap@gmx.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>While we=20 are at it, here is a suggestion + invitation for feedback:

Recently= , I=20 have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch dark room and foun= d=20 the experience VERY useful.
Being able to sense the knobs/settings by h= eart=20 and do the right moves without any visual feedback (except LEDs) has been=20= a=20 really good training.

I haven't really needed these skills yet in a= =20 live situation, but I think it can give you more confidence, not getting=20 irritated by insufficient lighting etc.

Do you also have any experi= ence=20 on this?

Buzap
May the force be with you. This is actually a super suggestion and make= s a=20 lot of sense.
 
Thanks! 



 -------------------------------1186415356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 16:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B52FA3BF00; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16ba01c7d847$a1cec9f0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of Sound" Looping Sound Clips Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:34:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_16B7_01C7D815.5633B2D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_16B7_01C7D815.5633B2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some new clips from very recent duo performances with me and Lucio = Menegon (from Lumper-Splitter) and Craig Green (here in Idaho). K- Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments of Sound Returns (August 3, 2007) Craig Green and Krispen Hartung http://www.box.net/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part I http://www.box.net/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part II http://www.box.net/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part III http://www.box.net/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_16B7_01C7D815.5633B2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some new clips from very recent duo = performances=20 with me and Lucio Menegon (from Lumper-Splitter) and Craig Green (here = in=20 Idaho).

K-

Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments = of Sound=20 Returns (August 3, 2007)
 
Craig Green and Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3
 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen = Hartung - Part=20 I
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung = - Part=20 II
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3 
 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung = - Part=20 III
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_16B7_01C7D815.5633B2D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 16:43:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBD23BF1F; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mLG9qCG80g0hLEmymm7YP49CLVtJ/U9W7Lzf7CRb8Cuk0MF+1/ZWbQOCk1238Hh3h0XYSsv9OpDpvqGUJXsCP+khjzbEW8Uc8lSNAWp+GhHy4tOSm3OGcYryoDp66kawfP+sfU+4bTK/lsxhFvmptIeF/KA19SSCtJ/jnxl2s14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GSPSAQYsiGGxJXyrFzjMkKCc9Kz2r/t69WBzbfQVfRlb/Lt6xST9smbyoYoUlVLMAq+WGY0ZznXXG0S6INbvlDYSP1XtroYESoXkwMWYlSm48khODnkH3UFBc0KKI9yAxtQpWN9UVJjQsBOLAspLhOtH0UACPDZy7j556tez7MY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FE285F8-862F-4B3E-8786-7C7BD9C3BA11@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in silence (was: in the Dark) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:43:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) > In a message dated 8/6/2007 11:20:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > buzap@gmx.net writes: > > Recently, I have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch > dark room and found the experience VERY useful. /// > Do you also have any experience on this? No, but I sometimes practice looping in silence. What I mean by that is imagining everything in my mind; melodies looped into chords, pitch changing looped chords, new melodies that go well with this new sound, etc etc. Quite often these mind games leads me into experimental realms where I really don't have a clue about what the things I'm doing would sound sound like IRL... and I need to turn on the gear and check it out. But the more you "practice in silence" the farther you push the borders of accurate imagination. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 16:43:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90E73BF26; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJPMXKSSjh3fyCFWo1XZcNJh86EX+dohRL X-Originating-IP: [67.150.49.131] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:41:53 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070806.094153.16430.0@webmail23.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J75e0.1d1eS.0c70M" X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1954878212 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.163|webmail23.lax.untd.com|webmail23.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J75e0.1d1eS.0c70M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain there is no place more comfortable than a dark room. suppressing external stimuli can be a very usefull tool for the artist..= . there is also something to be said for force feeding vivid images into y= our head in perfect randomness... there is no place better to force random images into your head than a da= rk room... contrast is everything, scary visionary ----__JWM__J75e0.1d1eS.0c70M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

there is no place more comfortable than a dark room.

suppressing external stimuli can be a very usefull tool for the artis= t...

there is also something to be said for force feeding vivid images int= o your head in perfect randomness...

there is no place better to force random images into your head than a= dark room...

contrast is everything,   scary visionary

----__JWM__J75e0.1d1eS.0c70M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:04:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2DD3BF24; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16d301c7d84b$d01fa4b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: trombone looping Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:04:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7Jw5kD.A.L-D.NS1tGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Very well done, Rainer. The Electro-Acoustic genre (this one is getting close to it) is my cup of tea these days. Now, you should hook up a few MIDI expression pedals to controll paramaters on your VSTs....then you can sit on the stage, play/process your horn, and be in the driver's seat with the pedals.... :) You should bring your horn to Y2K, if you are atttending this year. Imagine the liberation if you just brought your laptop and horn. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > For the first time in years, I've picked up the trombone (which had been > collecting dust in my living room - I had played the trombone quite a lot > some 15 years ago, had even been fronting a rock group singing and playing > trombone). > > The setup: trombone into laptop running live with: Mobius, edge (a freebie > octaver VST), MadShifta, Live's reverb, LFX-1310 (and a few moments of > cyclotron). The channel strip did also contain Live's compressor and EQ3. > > Let's see if this works with this link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZUcxTXRRUzhBNkUwTVE9PQ > > What I really enjoyed is how well edge worked with the trombone sound. And > what you can do with the strange noises resulting from bad embochure when > using them in granular looping. > > Feedback welcome! > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:07:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081513BF24; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16da01c7d84c$50f29de0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:07:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Nice, Berhard. The quality is surprisingly good for non-soundboard mix. What sort of mics were you using with the video camera? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >> There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: >> http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 >> http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv >> >> I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 17:57:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E2993BF28; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <16da01c7d84c$50f29de0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> <16da01c7d84c$50f29de0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:57:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Kris. I don't know since this video was shot by a third company (videooo.ch), who normally do docus of party events. The camera operator (they call them "VJs") only had the camera and most probably used the camera mic to record the sound. On 06.08.2007, at 19:07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Nice, Berhard. The quality is surprisingly good for non-soundboard > mix. What sort of mics were you using with the video camera? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- >> On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >> >>> There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: >>> http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 >>> http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 18:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24ADF3BF13; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:54:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark In-Reply-To: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> References: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070806185416.2FA9724784@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Interesting idea that! I've never tried looping in the dark, but I do on a regular basis practice playing my hammered dulcimer in the dark, it's quite challenging i think because you have no physical connection with the instrument. That has certainly made me a better dulcimer player because I'm less reliant on having to have those visual prompts and can focus more on the sounds be able to instinctively reach for the ones I want. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 11:19 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote: >While we are at it, here is a suggestion + invitation for feedback: > >Recently, I have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch >dark room and found the experience VERY useful. >Being able to sense the knobs/settings by heart and do the right >moves without any visual feedback (except LEDs) has been a really >good training. > >I haven't really needed these skills yet in a live situation, but I >think it can give you more confidence, not getting irritated by >insufficient lighting etc. > >Do you also have any experience on this? > >Buzap >-- >GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. >Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:00:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02F0F3BF18; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:00:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c7d85c$0c7259c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: AcfX/i2Y+/VUhe+7Q2m/bSR6bj72EwAXbUkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <8670902F-71FE-4412-96E4-3B5E62C5A581@bernhardwagner.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) I've never figured this one out. I just try and hope I can figure out what's going on and keep it as simple as I can. -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD = [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=3D-@bernhardwagner.net] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video and new track Speaking of daylight: I had problems reading the displays of EDP / =20 Lexicon and also the LEDs of my stomp boxes. How do others deal with this problem? Build the newer, brighter LEDs =20 into the old stomp boxes? Or do these new LEDs draw too much power? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:03:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C7613BF10; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mZQqK7RHh65llUAqLQLsMjCWBcoiN+/NlJh5D6LqNoH6d7OzvO9idaliMRNh2DGwFI+6xfs8p2M3a2yz2MHYWTwq2AWV5Oxlc64B26qjZK081+8B9rX1KoUNdPWH/eDAw+cJtGhTNToWKGxBJMmqfad4eJ9qugLYKWornFyD0Nw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mn6ALrkaezOF+6yfrRbLV5WaUjRKZywCB/rDTJb2+Bn0YxnvznnXj/o1r4mZiurgR7MkyyNKICHOcNjlLwWnI5ldoP/wIcWR/0hCY+5ryupeZPPwi2cUKK+BFTlnHCyHGYtVM49GwJ13zstQ/D9+/fRkw0sfy7Ovofch+1J3fKI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070806185416.2FA9724784@ns3.tnt21.com> References: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> <20070806185416.2FA9724784@ns3.tnt21.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:03:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1aff9C.A.Vb.pB3tGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) I haven't practiced looping in darkness but I have played improvised non looping music with a group of musicians in darkness. It was a great experience and I thought it helped some of us to play better... probably because you listen better when not distracted. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:10:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A173BEDD; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Us28wwes+G/Ax0HkpGIHKxGbBYRd+WTtOWVfvYdPD6YI2MOr5E13CEwwZcmzPFMXZ1fVe/ZXavdBrzfYVgvOM2BrAM/wBtP5vZvHlJo4O9dPaWoLvy33caho8k1dlhn11GMhtupBbwz496lTZFgYsKcwKSpkYRuDOADOHbq68ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nS3o5GdVn4qa/7kOEw5f/9Cpjx11G4yvzWeYTt+pvBNRPmjLSBMF6ah/KE8s9/oDrG6hewzJ9nYKGrrS6x5T7cqfKnalxspYTrqhrfIdRlhvhG3xKTLJF27Yhtxk/OQNRtMllMPIrxIP0UbCQjpu9014HHq4QGza1LogKAC8/R0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:10:29 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> <20070806185416.2FA9724784@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:10:31 +0000 (UTC) I never tried looping in the dark, but for a long time I practiced guitar without looking at the fretboard. It's all in the feel baby, all in the feel. :) I still try to play that way, but I'm not nearly as good at it as I was when I was practicing a lot more. Tony On 8/6/07, Per Boysen wrote: > I haven't practiced looping in darkness but I have played improvised > non looping music with a group of musicians in darkness. It was a > great experience and I thought it helped some of us to play better... > probably because you listen better when not distracted. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1B43BF35; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iFEoNLYwZ5LQ77Mf/cjQ/utKd3WNpIdgjhXMGeoodpqg4ChE1K5VIhh6ImerM80xiwD8vOGv21BuQAnBGeGNsFJqXAVrQDlB2+f8ParKv9kGRPSnpXUFFZz4kgksDWFIo+EPBppXmsns9WDDA6C29PyMmCvsUwtU/rxnmsLC7mM=; X-YMail-OSG: NL_ukJEVM1k04.vUqyU7mtY1o8mjqQ2T_sCkBDrQJ_oXmprGHBrwWQRkPbLRCMj8ozqylxXQJOCvpTsZ6iB1nBRsz.YPl0yUO.WKJ6E._Xybp1a2Eh0- Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: video and new track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16da01c7d84c$50f29de0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-177233306-1186428195=:41262" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <526023.41262.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:23:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-177233306-1186428195=:41262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is it just me, or is anybody else unable to download this on a PC, nor play the clip from the moonwalk site? Krispen Hartung wrote: Nice, Berhard. The quality is surprisingly good for non-soundboard mix. What sort of mics were you using with the video camera? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >> There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: >> http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 >> http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv >> >> I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, though. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-177233306-1186428195=:41262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is it just me, or is anybody else unable to download this on a PC, nor play the clip from the moonwalk site?

Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Nice, Berhard. The quality is surprisingly good for non-soundboard mix. What
sort of mics were you using with the video camera?

Kris

----- Original Message -----

> On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote:
>
>> There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday:
>> http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047
>> http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv
>>
>> I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, though.


Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-177233306-1186428195=:41262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 19:42:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9005F3BF18; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 610723526-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.51.160 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAPYUt0ZPQTOg/2dsb2JhbACCIas7 Message-ID: <46B779B1.2060708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:42:41 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video and new track References: <526023.41262.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <526023.41262.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stephen, it's "just you" I'm afraid. No problems here on XP. oh, and don't forget I have some audio to give you from the last Norwich gig. (sounds pretty good) andy Stephen Scott wrote: > Is it just me, or is anybody else unable to download this on a PC, nor > play the clip from the moonwalk site? > > */Krispen Hartung /* wrote: > > Nice, Berhard. The quality is surprisingly good for non-soundboard > mix. What > sort of mics were you using with the video camera? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > On 6 aug 2007, at 00.54, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > > >> There's a video online (3'42) from an open air gig yesterday: > >> http://www.moonwalk.ch/clips/play_clip.php?id=17602&eventrs_id=1047 > >> http://media.videooo.ch:8080/rsmac/01047/clip_17602.wmv > >> > >> I didn't manage to view the video on a Mac OS X or download it, > though. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers > , > not web links. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 21:40:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D65B3BF0F; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46B71A55.6020608@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2EB6D5B2-A0A0-4547-8BFB-DC1A2301367F@bernhardwagner.net> <813C75D2-25B5-4806-B15E-897F22257694@gmail.com> <46B71A55.6020608@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F40DDCA-4E06-4644-B1A1-92C65BA207E9@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: video and new track Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:48:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per & Andy! No: The reason is I'm playing the Digitech PMC-10, not the original EFC-7! If it were the EFC-7, I'd wear the comfy slippers that came with it ;) On 06.08.2007, at 14:55, andy butler wrote: > > >> Very good video shooting! But Bernhard.... you are not wearing >> your special LOOPING SHOES! > > not needed for ambient > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 6 22:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D643BF0F; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <176b01c7d87a$79f68fc0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <16ba01c7d847$a1cec9f0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of Sound" Looping Sound Clips Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:38:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1768_01C7D848.2E2D8AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:38:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1768_01C7D848.2E2D8AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few side comments and technical notes on these clips... I was using my Thinkpad notebook with max/msp (all max patches excpet = for Reaktor and Boogex amp simulator) and my Behringer controller to = perform all my effect parameter changes in real time. =20 Lately, I have been somewhat infatuated with miniature instruments. In = addition to my 6-string mandolin, I recently acquired an older (and VERY = difficult to find lately) Epi "Roadie"), a bright red 1/4 size electric = guitar, before Epi went to "Epiphone". I used this on all the clips = below. I also found a 1/4 size Amada nylon string guitar, which blew me = away in terms of its playability. Usually, the kids guitars play = horribly, but this one was different. It played almost as well as my = Taylor nylong string....surprising. I had a nice Fishman pickup = installed in it, and will be using it more in the future...so now, I = have three small scale instruments to pack with me. Next year, I plan to = have a luthier build me a custom miniature 1/4 scale hollow body jazz = guitar, built to my specs.=20 Craig Green was using a custom guitar made in Germany (Teuffel - = www.teuffel.com ), and the mac notebook with Cycling 74 Hipno, Live, and = a few pedal effects. Lucio was using all sorts of interesting devices = with his electric guitar, including a small Roland Microcube, Fender = amp, and various pedal effects. I recorded everything from the board in stereo to my M-Audio microtrack = recorder, wav format, 24 bit. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Some new clips from very recent duo performances with me and Lucio = Menegon (from Lumper-Splitter) and Craig Green (here in Idaho). K- Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments of Sound Returns (August 3, 2007) Craig Green and Krispen Hartung http://www.box.net/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part I http://www.box.net/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part II http://www.box.net/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part III http://www.box.net/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_1768_01C7D848.2E2D8AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few side comments and technical = notes on=20 these clips...
 
I was using my Thinkpad notebook with = max/msp (all=20 max patches excpet for Reaktor and Boogex amp simulator) and my = Behringer=20 controller to perform all my effect parameter changes in real = time.  =20
 
Lately, I have been somewhat infatuated = with=20 miniature instruments. In addition to my 6-string mandolin, I recently = acquired=20 an older (and VERY difficult to find lately) Epi "Roadie"), a bright red = 1/4=20 size electric guitar, before Epi went to "Epiphone". I used this on all = the=20 clips below. I also found a 1/4 size Amada nylon string guitar, which = blew me=20 away in terms of its playability. Usually, the kids guitars play = horribly, but=20 this one was different. It played almost as well as my Taylor nylong=20 string....surprising.  I had a nice Fishman pickup installed in it, = and=20 will be using it more in the future...so now, I have three small scale=20 instruments to pack with me. Next year, I plan to have a luthier build = me a=20 custom miniature 1/4 scale hollow body jazz guitar, built to my specs.=20
 
Craig Green was using a custom guitar = made in=20 Germany (Teuffel - www.teuffel.com ), and the mac notebook with Cycling 74 Hipno, = Live, and a=20 few pedal effects. Lucio was using all sorts of interesting devices with = his=20 electric guitar, including a small Roland Microcube, Fender amp, and = various=20 pedal effects.
 
I recorded everything from the board in = stereo to=20 my M-Audio microtrack recorder, wav format, 24 bit.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 
Some new clips from very recent duo = performances=20 with me and Lucio Menegon (from Lumper-Splitter) and Craig Green (here = in=20 Idaho).

K-

Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments = of Sound=20 Returns (August 3, 2007)
 
Craig Green and Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3
 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen = Hartung -=20 Part I
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen = Hartung - Part=20 II
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3 
 
Lucio Menegon and Krispen = Hartung - Part=20 III
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3
 
Kris
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 08:33:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0DFA3BEDD; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17de01c7d8cd$9ac62280$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BEMF-2 / Lumper-Splitter - Birth of the Guitar Baby Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 02:33:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_17DB_01C7D89B.4F32AC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:33:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_17DB_01C7D89B.4F32AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is so cool that there are so many looping videos coming out these = days. A few years ago I recall there weren't enough to count on my left = hand.=20 Here is one you have to see. I just pepared the file yesterday. This is = one of many from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival. This = is of Lumper-Splitter (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon), and it is totally = hilarious. I was almost in tears and on the floor from laughing so hard. = This is a great piece of experimental looping theatrical comedy....Birth = of the Guitar Baby, or Blue Guitar Baby, or whatever floats your boat: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3573187502380633371&hl=3Den More videos and music from the festival here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/sound.htm Kris ------=_NextPart_000_17DB_01C7D89B.4F32AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is so cool that there are so many = looping videos=20 coming out these days. A few years ago I recall there weren't enough to = count on=20 my left hand.
 
Here is one you have to see. I just = pepared the=20 file yesterday. This is one of many from the 2nd Annual Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival. This is of Lumper-Splitter (Joe = Rut and=20 Lucio Menegon), and it is totally hilarious. I was almost in tears and = on the=20 floor from laughing so hard. This is a great piece of experimental = looping=20 theatrical comedy....Birth of the Guitar Baby, or Blue Guitar Baby, or = whatever=20 floats your boat:
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-3573187502380633371= &hl=3Den
 
More videos and music from the festival = here:
 
http://www.boisem= usicians.com/BEMF-2/sound.htm
 
 
Kris
 
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yPM5qBEuyCAx6n+Xq+MkX3VKOJLqHN4rKd2GV3D qThDoKPsERQZTI8EDGtvgiHMED+itL/v6B4w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 5gbyAeg3a2Aofc0tzHUyPjw6OWhhakdO Resent-Message-ID: <0oGky.A.L2D.zKEuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris > I have been considering this: > http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html > It doesn't have XLR, but they do appear have pre-amps and level control. thanks. Battery-driven, indeed. It seems a bit big, though. Since a real solo travelling setup should be small&light. It's really astonishing there seem to be no simple battery driven mixers. It doesn't have to have 48V phantom. Just 1-2 inputs, mic sensitive. Thanks again Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 10:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17243BF02; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:07:57 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20070807100757.206430@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+h9h5wQGCh6vm/E7/1XvFtnAgOPJS6OpltKY2824 oC9y2GpNHvf5qXJIqHEOVAN037cn3/6O24hQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: T32LfpZkMmA6esJ3kGBnpTM5MjQ1N90w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:08:01 +0000 (UTC) I'm glad I threw in the idea... :-) I guess it's very similar to practicing any other instrument without (much) looking. Then again, I wonder how many people practice looping like any other instrument... Per: "looping in the mind" is what I've always been doing. That was my motvation for starting with looping to begin with. The most exciting thing is: You have something in your head that you go through, you go to your gear - and make it sound like that! That's what I love about spontaneaous looping :-)) Another approach is of course thinking through "looping stages" how you would like to develop your loop. ITo me that process feels very similar to anticipating or preparing a solo you'd like to play. Rgds Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 11:34:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48B303BED9; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qD3soli2bCL+uMdpZCUvOkaEdkwIwJNGGVBzEdmnIM8TFatHlTk3YIYsmFqlzapmP24y8DmzAluxcx0CscnzBGKgkIRbUqrWCapKWR9TG9wvFySxV4cqQ381BWCfOKAf/JSYfQrnQEnJt4zK1VAhbvsrNqy6tRInafHYumlXFis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Uk3CEOzS7p7Lh/ClzOOGC8jkokaA4Bd5Kqa20ww0qj5vo1X9yp/e/yc49BjHM+4HvqW3CeFXBwmN5TO8gwNtjaS0AMZuA5Xl3gej4KA7JudhwM7zAk2PRfHRAPvVDWJ4Grb8XWqxmlbIlDJobc8Sw1/PmcWHarasXJY8FnxVJlg= In-Reply-To: <20070807100757.206430@gmx.net> References: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> <20070807100757.206430@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:34:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8mMO-C.A.cjH.1iFuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:34:13 +0000 (UTC) On 7 aug 2007, at 12.07, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I'm glad I threw in the idea... :-) > I guess it's very similar to practicing any other instrument > without (much) looking. Then again, I wonder how many people > practice looping like any other instrument... My guess is that there's a difference in that when you practice any other instrument you can practice according to two very different contexts. One is to only practice the technical and physical skills needed to create a good tone, notes and scales with the instrument; strengthening muscles, increasing nerve's capabilities etc. The other way of practicing is to set the one and only goal as "making the most interesting music right now" and does merely develop your mental capabilities, as in making you more creative with the instrument. Ok, back on topic: When practicing looping you really need to do it according to the latter context, since the actual music created would sound pretty lame if you would only practice the "tap dancing" side of looping ;-) So, for a beginner that mostly practices the technical aspects of instrument playing it would be true to say that he/she is not practicing looping "like any other instrument". In this case practicing looping may help the student to break into the second context of practicing - where the music starts happening. For more experienced musicians, I would say that they practice looping just "like any other instrument". > Another approach is of course thinking through "looping stages" how > you would like to develop your loop. ITo me that process feels very > similar to anticipating or preparing a solo you'd like to play. I agree! Both your examples are in essence "instant composition" and as such the performer need to start out with a certain pace, direction and attitude, before even making the first sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 13:58:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A9AB3BEE1; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:58:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:58:20 +0000 (UTC) It's 7-3/16 (W) x 4-1/4 (D) x 2-1/8 (H) inches. That is too big? I've been scouring the web for some time looking for what you want, with no luck. The smaller you get, the less features you get. There is this smaller mixer, by RMS http://www.fruity-loops.com/item--MC.RMM-800 Then there is the Rolls: http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.RLL-MX41S Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Kris > >> I have been considering this: >> http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html >> It doesn't have XLR, but they do appear have pre-amps and level control. > > thanks. Battery-driven, indeed. > It seems a bit big, though. Since a real solo travelling setup should be > small&light. > It's really astonishing there seem to be no simple battery driven mixers. > It doesn't have to have 48V phantom. Just 1-2 inputs, mic sensitive. > > Thanks again > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:22:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 941DC3BEF7; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <17de01c7d8cd$9ac62280$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <17de01c7d8cd$9ac62280$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--116592574 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: AFTER GIG REPORT - LOOPING WITH LUCIO MENEGON IN OREGON Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:22:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:22:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--116592574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi there, I just thought I'd drop a line and say what an awesome musician Lucio =20= Menegon is. We did our little looping gig in Ashland, Oregon last night and it was =20= about as pleasurable an experience performing as I have ever had. Really! We traded solo spots and did some duets -- one even to commemorate the =20= August 6 anniversary of the Hiroshima bomb dropping -- complete with a =20= poetry reading. To a varied crowd of 20 plus -- and it actually changed in size and =20 composition between the two sets -- we both played our brains and =20 hearts out. But I have to say the most pleasurable moments were (for me) when I =20 went and sat down and let Lucio play alone. Gosh . . . it was impossible to not have a grin on my face that went =20 from ear to ear - the guy is soooo good at what he does. In his little black Honda Civic the man's been a mad driving machine =20 doing gigs across the whole county these last few weeks. I'm sure he'll get out and about on tour again -- y'all really do owe =20= it to yourselves to see and hear him (at least) and if your lucky =20 enough (like I was last night), to get to perform with him. I count myself very lucky indeed. He made a recording of the proceedings on this little digital doodad he =20= had. I can't wait to hear it all again. Cheers, y'all. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20= --Apple-Mail-1--116592574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi there, I just thought I'd drop a line and say what an awesome musician Lucio Menegon is. We did our little looping gig in Ashland, Oregon last night and it was about as pleasurable an experience performing as I have ever had. Really!=20 We traded solo spots and did some duets -- one even to commemorate the August 6 anniversary of the Hiroshima bomb dropping -- complete with a poetry reading. To a varied crowd of 20 plus -- and it actually changed in size and composition between the two sets -- we both played our brains and hearts out. But I have to say the most pleasurable moments were (for me) when I went and sat down and let Lucio play alone. Gosh . . . it was impossible to not have a grin on my face that went from ear to ear - the guy is soooo good at what he does. In his little black Honda Civic the man's been a mad driving machine doing gigs across the whole county these last few weeks. I'm sure he'll get out and about on tour again -- y'all really do owe it to yourselves to see and hear him (at least) and if your lucky enough (like I was last night), to get to perform with him. I count myself very lucky indeed. He made a recording of the proceedings on this little digital doodad he had.=20 I can't wait to hear it all again. Cheers, y'all. tEd =AE KiLLiAn = CourierFFFF,0C0C,0000Diff= erent is not always better, but better is always different" =20 7F7F,7A7A,7A7AFlux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D1211970 00042=20 =20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? = = --Apple-Mail-1--116592574-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2AF3BF00; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:31:13 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18BcQNyhDABOQzThRrp2u9wXKqTCYjlHH6s8s/UNw OPL0BA/deO30vUl5zt3cBScJ6pXv8E6OZIgg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: VPPRKSgQMydhUP5OkWtlXHJjaGRhZpob Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen > It's 7-3/16 (W) x 4-1/4 (D) x 2-1/8 (H) inches. That is too big? gotta convert your inches into cm (sorry, I'm European ;-) > http://www.fruity-loops.com/item--MC.RMM-800 > Then there is the Rolls: http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.RLL-MX41S Yeah, these are more what I'm looking for, I think. (Hope the Rolls isn't passive?) I'm absolutely fine with less features for my mini-setup. Some EQ would be sweet, though. I'm just thinking - were you also fantasizing about the mobile Roland MicroCube / RC-2 combination? ;-) Got the MicroCube and I'm very happy with it ;-) For a bigger setup, I'm tempted by the Crate Taxi amps: http://www.crateamps.com/products/pindex.php?prodID=26 Really great stuff... Let me know if you find any more battery-driven mixers, I really appreciate it! Best Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:33:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DA33BF12; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23742.65.160.58.240.1186497233.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FS: EMS SynthiA From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:33:54 +0000 (UTC) After a long soul searching I have decided to sell my most prized synthesizer. This is an early 1970s EMS SynthiA in equisite condition. Cosmetically is it excellent; not "for it's age" as they say in the Eb*y ads but truly excellent. The front panel gleams, the coloured knobs (heh, UK spelling there) are shiny and complete, the case itself is great including the latches which work fine. This is an ultrarare MK1 which has the original patch pin layout giving you separate waveforms for VCOs 1 and 2. Functionally everything great as well and all knobs, switches, speakers, matrix connections, etc work 100%. A good resolution picture of the unit I am selling is here: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/synthi1.jpg I have other pictures as well. A few years ago I had the power supply rebuilt by Phil Cirocco @CMS in PA and any issues with the MK1 PS were corrected. I have driven a Crickwood DK2 from this unit and it's worked perfectly. If you're familiar with the unit, be it from reading about them or seeing one in person, you know this is one of the most unique electronic instruments ever made. Used by Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, Aphex Twin, etc etc. I have never seen a better example of this model (let alone in a MK1 version) as well. This sale comes with the following: SynthiA with both halves of the suitcase. Please note this does not have the KS sequencer keyboard (otherwise I would be listing a SynthiAKS no?) 20-30 Pins (a few of them brand new with insulation 100%) White, grey, Coloured (heh). Kenton UK Cinch Jones-> 3x1/8" adapter cable which allows you to run the Synthi via CV/GATE at the more standard 1vt/oct plus another input to control the VCF, Env, etc via any 1/8" connection. I used this with my Kenton Pro2 and ProSolo and it was very cool. I had copies of all the manuals (users, patchbook, etc) and if I can find those they will be included in hardcopy as well. Please read all the following terms before emailing and asking to buy this: --------------------------------- I am asking $6000 US OBO for this unit. Buyer pays any fees for shipping, etc. Given the rarity, condition, and current prices for this model that is certainly market value. However, I will listen to all reasonable offers. To help us all out I'll define a reasaonable offer as one by a serious buyer who is prepared to purchase the unit right away not "when they get the $$ together" and who makes an offer close to my asking price and makes it very easy for me to sell this to them. :) I will consider being more generous in the price for a local cash sale (Phila Pa, USA). If there are no local pickup sales after a while I will consider shipping on a full prepay with suitable waiting period for funds to clear. No scams or nonsense tolerated obviously, we all know the score on those. I generally won't use paypal for an item this expensive but I might accept paypal from buyers I know. Given you will pay the fees which may be around $200 or more I would far prefer you found another way to make payment and saved us both some $$ and aggravation. Some partial trades might be possible as well. I am always looking for Banana based modular gear (Serge or Modcan/Cynthia). I am aware this is not a toy price nor is it a toy piece. I have been playing and collecting vintage synthesizers for over 15 years and worked very hard to have this item in my collection. I do not NEED to sell it. However, I will gladly work with anyone who is serious and will be able to buy the unit sooner than later. Thanks for reading. Any questions please email me. D_ ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 14:38:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292BF3BF07; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:38:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) try one of the Rolls products, they work great for me. http://www.rolls.com/ teddy On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:00 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Kris > >> I have been considering this: >> http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html >> It doesn't have XLR, but they do appear have pre-amps and level >> control. > > thanks. Battery-driven, indeed. > It seems a bit big, though. Since a real solo travelling setup > should be small&light. > It's really astonishing there seem to be no simple battery driven > mixers. > It doesn't have to have 48V phantom. Just 1-2 inputs, mic sensitive. > > Thanks again > Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:30:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2D73BEF7; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Jpqi5uu5kES30+YcQpYnOHOoAB5R6AfzachDiFRK1QZuThY7630DswvgzOuCSO/92CzNtsPP0h0FsFP6jUpejnINhjHAajtUjFwU7mmTy71J0APX4ScF0JQMYQfUCJnC3OHc1T5jSJ0bNdXqTCgeg9BRyjmd9vfLAaUHkTikyXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Hau2youbuy8LJQGTQS/I28xZm5x9jAUyUUXTlHnppAdjib1sNUOvTdylzhPjMPL3wb+7sR7QgLxfghjOINzA6Rt8Q/BcguL4FwXN7/0rcNpyWGFWHp/QftUvDIwrauJh3uFp8ITT6Q6+59h0vOSmvFBNw8duqYsVWbTFX0Cnn/Q= Message-ID: <12ec33de0708070830s60e6eea6gf237a7a3f7230da2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:30:51 -0400 From: "Joshua Rothhaas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New to this and need set up help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13358_19542101.1186500651742" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:30:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13358_19542101.1186500651742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone. I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to poor right now). Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask. I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get involved in the conversations. -Josh -- Huzza ------=_Part_13358_19542101.1186500651742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone.

I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to poor right now).

Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask.

I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get involved in the conversations.

-Josh
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Huzza ------=_Part_13358_19542101.1186500651742-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:41:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F36D3BF0A; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=upPr3c4xHFB5OxKZr2RnaDh/6O6jj7eEDGDWZ26t9rn/282srxJ93hdUxvkhpZANcWKWvn8uQlFWolagApW3qgypxAuIwhOHfKHzBSMdIF+fbHSAnywRgKoOB7R3wPUufWLEczZdgCcIQnn+OF3rKcRVl9KX+PE6GBE/hTtjyA8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QlpqnfC2YXS+vSW9WtY4RsrAsw+4Q/oWGYEJzpsvk+DLDkoDJcnj4yfC9Ph+0jfFCEUtoaCWChFjpqzocdAZ/udQUAsdAhY+b5S2yfR7M91VHXiYjCWe6P/yyw1cfBVlUABolQZcbwOs/c1JLw8k6w051P9lmW0mWszF/AWSLME= Message-ID: <15d0840708070841r50633c65jfec694310def8f04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:41:31 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help In-Reply-To: <12ec33de0708070830s60e6eea6gf237a7a3f7230da2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35659_2188381.1186501291417" References: <12ec33de0708070830s60e6eea6gf237a7a3f7230da2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35659_2188381.1186501291417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the RC-50 is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I play with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking about. also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I > don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create > live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer > and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop > machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone. > > I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" > MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize > the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to > poor right now). > > Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that > will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic > is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever > drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, > because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i > where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask. > > I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get > involved in the conversations. > > -Josh > -- > Huzza -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_35659_2188381.1186501291417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the RC-50 is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I play with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking about.
 
also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal

 



 
On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone.

I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to poor right now).

Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask.

I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get involved in the conversations.

-Josh
--
Huzza



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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_35659_2188381.1186501291417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ECE43BF0A; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:48:59 +0000 Message-Id: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_0" Resent-Message-ID: <6Jzq4D.A.WdH.uRJuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:49:02 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I love the RC50. Its stereo, plus there are multiple outs. But, you can also import wav files containing samples onto it. I would imagine for beat boxing ( a world I am utterly confused about) triggering various types of sample would be very handy. The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Matthew Johnson" > can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the RC-50 > is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I play > with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking about. > > also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal > > > > On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I > > don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create > > live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer > > and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop > > machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone. > > > > I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" > > MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize > > the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to > > poor right now). > > > > Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that > > will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic > > is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever > > drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, > > because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i > > where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask. > > > > I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get > > involved in the conversations. > > > > -Josh > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:41:33 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the RC-50 is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I play with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking about.
 
also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal

 



 
On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone.

I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to poor right now).

Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask.

I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get involved in the conversations.

-Josh
--
Huzza



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Matt H. Johnson --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19530_1186501739_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 15:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655623BF21; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: AFTER GIG REPORT - LOOPING WITH LUCIO MENEGON IN OREGON Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:53:44 +0200 Message-ID: <00a101c7d90b$2299a230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7D91B.E6227230" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfZCLoyjqAp00DbRKe2YM1L1W4ZlQAAl4Xg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:53:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7D91B.E6227230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://myspace.com/luciomenegon ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7D91B.E6227230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7D91B.E6227230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:04:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EDEE3BF25; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:04:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:04:08 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > > I'm just thinking - were you also fantasizing about the mobile Roland > MicroCube / RC-2 combination? ;-) > Got the MicroCube and I'm very happy with it ;-) Yes, I have both the MicroCube and RC-2 as my backup system. Great duo. BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I have been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator or preamp that really makes the guitar sound like it should before going into the laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that is the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match made in audio heaven, evolving together. I have had no luck. I'm sure the really expensive amp simulators are great, but the problem is that they require too many CPU resources....plus, I feel they still aren't that convincing in terms of matching the sound of an amp wit an amp. Nothing has convinced me thoroughly yet. I may be able to hear a good simulation of a real amp, but the "feel" is never there. So....after some discussion with Lucio this last weekend for our show, he suggested I might plug into my MicroCube, mic it, and then run into my laptop. The think the result is quite amazing. I know that Lucio is a big fan of this tiny amp. In fact, he used it at the 2nd Boise Experimental Music Festival. We put a mic on it and ran it through a monster PA....outstanding. It sounded as good or better than him using my expensive Mesa Boogie Mark I the prior festival. Has anyone else tried this? Mic your MicroCube (no effects, just amp sim) and run directly into your laptop. Then do all your normal processing. Tell me what you think. Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2A43BF18; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KYBp84UhXLuvWAI5ohI9YZfoUEEY2j2SA5vL6M7GKU0Mrc22/VMF0+/L79ljUTnQwL0QkvkVI+2i1mdk/4u0WQbirFwZeZjlxeSXvTHlxY0JhODxZRaWoAx+p33etci/snxA356B3dl5co6plIuP62ewfz+q0C+jYDm5N/E0jr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fh06dvJNHJdR4kwVASTGrOsNlzuJBttY8ragjp5Yhb2Y8XGrp6rMfMFe4jUceYoSA4dg7qMDMrxAYVDOVHO3RBWzlvmVTsxW6LBv2lrdyika7ATu7zHP1MBrJZYiHMjM6TzyYA5asNX+htrCjTTxBejp5hFGeKQ8HL737nnYL1U= Message-ID: <12ec33de0708070921p304883f4jbd10f95a74492c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:21:53 -0400 From: "Joshua Rothhaas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help In-Reply-To: <15d0840708070841r50633c65jfec694310def8f04@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14223_32858278.1186503713495" References: <12ec33de0708070830s60e6eea6gf237a7a3f7230da2@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708070841r50633c65jfec694310def8f04@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <43BX7C.A.kCB.jwJuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:21:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14223_32858278.1186503713495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford the rc-50. On 8/7/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the > RC-50 is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I > play with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking > about. > > also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal > > > > On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I > > don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create > > live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer > > and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop > > machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone. > > > > I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" > > MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize > > the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to > > poor right now). > > > > Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that > > will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic > > is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever > > drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, > > because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i > > where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask. > > > > I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get > > involved in the conversations. > > > > -Josh > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- Huzza ------=_Part_14223_32858278.1186503713495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford the rc-50.

On 8/7/07, Matthew Johnson <matthjohnson@gmail.com > wrote:
can't help you with the mics, but for what you are talking about, the RC-50 is just too much everything(price and capability). As a guitarist, I play with an RC-20XL and thats more than enough for what you are talking about.
 
also look at akai headrush delay and phrase sampler pedal

 



 
On 8/7/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com > wrote:
Ok, hey guys. Brand new to the site and getting a new loop machine. I don't need much. I am just curious what I would need to be able to create live vocal loops and also be able to record them in real time. I am a singer and beat boxer. Right now I am looking at the boss RC-50 (is there a loop machine more appropriate for non instrumental loopers?) and a microphone.

I was curious what i would need to be able to plug this into my 13.3" MacBook notebook and record my sessions, and if there is some way to utilize the speakers i have instead (computer speakers) of buying an amp (I'm to poor right now).

Also i was curious if there where any mic recommendations for a mic that will pick up minimal background because i plan to loop live, but if the mic is picking up other loops as i make new ones, i wont be able to fully ever drop a loop. Maybe some mics are highly directional? that would be best, because it would be cool to be able to record the audience and such too if i where to point the mic their way. maybe thats to much to ask.

I love the idea of this mailing list and this site. I cant wait to get involved in the conversations.

-Josh
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Huzza ------=_Part_14223_32858278.1186503713495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B08673BF0D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <12ec33de0708070921p304883f4jbd10f95a74492c3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <12ec33de0708070830s60e6eea6gf237a7a3f7230da2@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708070841r50633c65jfec694310def8f04@mail.gmail.com> <12ec33de0708070921p304883f4jbd10f95a74492c3a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D222821-AB17-4B2F-B61E-E1A76D323727@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:56:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:54:55 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford > the rc-50. > Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass. I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 16:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224E53BF0A; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <27755.65.160.58.240.1186505814.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FS: Serge Panel (Complete Synth) From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:56:57 +0000 (UTC) I am selling one Serge panel in Excellent+ condition. Wisconsin Custom made panel from approximately two years ago. Full buffed silver case including the rack ears for 19" mounting. This is a complete synth in one panel and can be a stand alone instrument with 3 VCOs/LFOs, amazingly cool unusual filter, 2 VCADSRs, Mixer, Dual Comparator/waveform/trigger modifier, and the ultimate VCA output/panning/etc module (including 1/4" outs). Obviously if you know serge there are dozens of more applications for each of the modules that these basic functions but I rarely ever see one panel that stands alone so that's a bonus for a new Serge fan who wants to save some serious $$ and not have to spend $7-8K on a "beginners" system. Exact modules are: 3- Precision VCO, PCO 1- Processor UAP 1- Variable Bandwidth VC Filter VCF2 1- Audio Mixer (3x1) AMX 1- Dual Comparator COM 1- Panel w/ Rack Mount Chassis ROX 19" 2- Extended Envelope Generator ADSR 1- PS2 Full info on these here: http://www.serge-fans.com/wizardry.htm Winter 2006 price list for this has this configuration at close to $4k plus the shipping, etc. I'm asking $3000 OBO including shipping and insurance in the US. No waiting, full unit with powersupply ready to play. Partial trades +$$ for Modcan/Cyndustries modules possible. Pickup in Phila Pa gets big bonus deal. Paypal possibly but buyer pays fees. Any questions let me know. Pics available as well Thanks! ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:02:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95273BEF1; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dEHGNCfA9yolmrJF8R6GjrzUWdDIMuxIvtbTp5UZ14mxwlK3pDslcbNXIsNCCzSeAnHcFAgASULtQSBCE2e0lu2hgbAQy5sHXa4WZeQ2Zu8oe6SnQsuo5iz4WxzKDnX6aGcNEuc43xaK1I0CtmZAKOKA2PGeddR8wp7MqPWj1dk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bf+hlO5iLInIyGEuKQC0jO7Jp9HMdaYIRR+kVKDwiHwOohTOO6Tty0Cmb3qsnEsMEPt1w4/+y7wRcIfGu1YspRBTn6evbP//+PMvOtm+4DrFgVCqeCoiPbfcJym1IXx+IZQGk8xZ7z+oY44Pz21XSl28GrjZ28vo9Hnb9lyTh+E= Message-ID: <15d0840708071002m53832fbbg20262e64d36fb1c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:02:43 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi Controller with Live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37043_13693033.1186506163176" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:02:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37043_13693033.1186506163176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. Does anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with Live. At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I think a 49 would be too large. The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live? Anyone ever use Edirol? Novation is too expensive On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford > > the rc-50. > > > Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass. > I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499. > > Jeff > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_37043_13693033.1186506163176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. Does anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with Live.
 
At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I think a 49 would be too large.
 
The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live?
 
Anyone ever use Edirol?
 
Novation is too expensive

 
On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:

> actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford
> the rc-50.
>
Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass.
I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499.

Jeff




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_37043_13693033.1186506163176-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:19:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25873BF02; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=N1/Uhe/aEYhmfCxo7V3gEGSc2LU79HiXc8QDKdc8NBRt7d6R9oHl7O695sov83Z8hAWfK7T4/yb+kEjvSTu5t2QIfMwfQ/VvLcFMtmr6T6elLQ/THXcUqRQGSsH7sZ90PfwrXNn+DrTJ5CTAIXR4rx97sEYcjGnYOyTW0en3pr0=; X-YMail-OSG: E8W9.msVM1nrWcPCj0PLXS4_GqGlXt3ntuqtJCLrmoRaT2eKyzHmZqsaFPN1xjNC35UnDwa07z7oNjpxoDvSnAqFI0jqX.NVpg7KwvbgG728YVwbVl113vPFjWR5og-- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: P4 Power Supply for Alesis Quadraverb GT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d0840708071002m53832fbbg20262e64d36fb1c9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-791229800-1186507186=:59525" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <636209.59525.qm@web35114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-791229800-1186507186=:59525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All: If anyone has an Alesis P4 power supply they want to sell, I will buy it at a good price. Or, if anyone knows a good source for the item, that would also be appreciated. I bought a Quadraverb GT off eBay and the seller placed the fact that it did not have a power supply in fine print (thanks). Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --0-791229800-1186507186=:59525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
All:
 
If anyone has an Alesis P4 power supply they want to sell, I will buy it at a good price. Or, if anyone knows a good source for the item, that would also be appreciated.
 
I bought a Quadraverb GT off eBay and the seller placed the fact that it did not have a power supply in fine print (thanks).
 
Regards, Paul

Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --0-791229800-1186507186=:59525-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266E83BF0D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=osBh+pFd9yoqM+uXSbNe5jHVPZjYNapsQmNcMnpHJlv3hArQCELZJZcbcQabj116kAYMShuyxSEOEE5Xb9aa9f5mPDAN/XJzP7qp4q04hFObT7s+ml0WIzMwgaLWVKYFPi8T73LVNjh+ZXcgUrkEmef3WjG8AevSy/d7AAKzxks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X+fVu3pNdiPKDp2Go/VkrtlGu/S5tDyKL52ZtZiZw+yGiWeZcaVl2shaeEYsZqA0QDdjubgESoqnaV8DkOAsXZhawyZwaTrQCLORSahb7chX2uZBo0g9Pipt0SIJaY4P3kPPS80hPY3YlLZbFaeKyogvhNheC9Ykk5XZtfN9rAs= Message-ID: <4759e5740708071020w1891ea1amce79885ad5f0673@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:20:30 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi Controller with Live In-Reply-To: <15d0840708071002m53832fbbg20262e64d36fb1c9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46062_32670436.1186507230972" References: <15d0840708071002m53832fbbg20262e64d36fb1c9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:21:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46062_32670436.1186507230972 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Novation is expensive, indeed, but for a reason. it's great. and the automap feature works extraordinarily well for live... I don't think you could make a better choice. I bought the Korg. Broke on me within a year and have been waiting on a part for a year as well... then I bought a novation remote sl 25 and I've never been happier. Which brings up my 'axiom' for buying gear, which is: Buy the best, buy it once. buy less than you want, you'll buy it twice for sure and end up spending twice as much as you wanted to spend to begin with. My dos pesos, hope it's a contribution for you, Matthew, i know you'll get lots of great advice on this list. if you just want a small keyboard which is ultra portable, the edirol might be a nice choice... they are very small and packable in a suitcase... all best, todd On 8/7/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I > used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after > taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. Does > anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with Live. > > At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard > they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other units. > However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I think a > 49 would be too large. > > The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great > and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live? > > Anyone ever use Edirol? > > Novation is too expensive > > > On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > > actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford > > > the rc-50. > > > > > Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass. > > I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_46062_32670436.1186507230972 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Novation is expensive, indeed, but for a reason.  it's great.  and the automap feature works extraordinarily well for live... I don't think you could make a better choice.  I bought the Korg.  Broke on me within a year and have been waiting on a part for a year as well... then I bought a novation remote sl 25 and I've never been happier.  Which brings up my 'axiom'  for buying gear, which is:   Buy the best, buy it once.  buy less than you want, you'll buy it twice for sure and end up spending twice as much as you wanted to spend to begin with.

My dos pesos, hope it's a contribution for you, Matthew, i know you'll get lots of great advice on this list.

if you just want a small keyboard which is ultra portable, the edirol might be a nice choice... they are very small and packable in a suitcase...

all best,

todd

On 8/7/07, Matthew Johnson <matthjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. Does anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with Live.
 
At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I think a 49 would be too large.
 
The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live?
 
Anyone ever use Edirol?
 
Novation is too expensive

 
On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu > wrote:

On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:

> actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford
> the rc-50.
>
Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass.
I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499.

Jeff




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_46062_32670436.1186507230972-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 17:53:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7615C3BF1B; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <189101c7d91b$dcfd9860$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:53:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5FHjb.A.KAG.bGLuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Quick update. I did another experiement. I ran direct form the MicroCube record out into my lapop. It sounds just as good, and with less hiss from the speaker. I use the Black Face amp sim setting with the tone at about 9:00, and gain all the way up. I adjusted the main volume to taste to generae a good level on my internal ThinkPad soundcard. I like to ajudst it so that the mic level on my internal soundcard is at the lowest setting, and then adjust the MicroCube ouput to as close to redline as possible. Now, if Roland just made the MicroCube without the speaker and in a small box, that would be ideal. But the nice thing is that when I go to a show, I have the amp as a backup there at all time. If my notebook blows up, I can just hook up my RC2 to the amp and do some basic looping. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> I'm just thinking - were you also fantasizing about the mobile Roland >> MicroCube / RC-2 combination? ;-) >> Got the MicroCube and I'm very happy with it ;-) > > Yes, I have both the MicroCube and RC-2 as my backup system. Great duo. > > BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I have been > struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator or preamp that > really makes the guitar sound like it should before going into the laptop. > I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs para > acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body > electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that is > the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match made in > audio heaven, evolving together. > > I have had no luck. I'm sure the really expensive amp simulators are > great, but the problem is that they require too many CPU > resources....plus, I feel they still aren't that convincing in terms of > matching the sound of an amp wit an amp. Nothing has convinced me > thoroughly yet. I may be able to hear a good simulation of a real amp, but > the "feel" is never there. > > So....after some discussion with Lucio this last weekend for our show, he > suggested I might plug into my MicroCube, mic it, and then run into my > laptop. The think the result is quite amazing. I know that Lucio is a big > fan of this tiny amp. In fact, he used it at the 2nd Boise Experimental > Music Festival. We put a mic on it and ran it through a monster > PA....outstanding. It sounded as good or better than him using my > expensive Mesa Boogie Mark I the prior festival. > > Has anyone else tried this? Mic your MicroCube (no effects, just amp sim) > and run directly into your laptop. Then do all your normal processing. > Tell me what you think. > > Kris > > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 18:02:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F223BF0D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 600129525-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.23.174 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av+/AHdQuEZPQReu/2dsb2JhbACCHgSFaKNugRY Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube X-IP-Spam-Verdict: SUSPECTEDSPAM Message-ID: <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:02:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:02:32 +0000 (UTC) > BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I have > been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator or preamp > that really makes the guitar sound like it should before going into the > laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs > para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body > electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that > is the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match > made in audio heaven, evolving together. > Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at the DI/PreAmp part of the setup. I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but that's rather overkill) and getting some nice sounds just going straight to the pa. There's not the hi-frequency cut-off that comes from a guitar amp unless I actually want it, which is nice for looping where every bit of available frequency range helps. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 18:16:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28AD73BF1D; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <189801c7d91f$23959e50$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:16:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:16:58 +0000 (UTC) You predicted my last email addition! That was the key, as you saw from my response. The speaker wasn't really necessary in this case, just the pre-amp (and sim) section. Kris ----- Original Message ----- >> BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I have >> been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator or preamp >> that really makes the guitar sound like it should before going into the >> laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs >> para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body >> electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that is >> the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match made >> in audio heaven, evolving together. >> > > Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at the DI/PreAmp part of > the setup. > I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but that's rather overkill) > and getting some nice sounds just going straight to the pa. > > There's not the hi-frequency cut-off that comes from a guitar amp > unless I actually want it, which is nice for looping where every > bit of available frequency range helps. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 19:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B933BF02; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: trombone looping Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:35:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7d92a$1e77a5c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfYS9DDlEjLk18bRQ+RnsrxbFwnEAA3iAkA In-Reply-To: <16d301c7d84b$d01fa4b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0cjP0MZZcs= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Krispen said: > Now, > you should hook up a few MIDI expression pedals to controll > paramaters on your VSTs....then you can sit on the stage, > play/process your horn, and be in the driver's seat with the > pedals.... :) I was thinking about this, but eventually decided against it in fear of becoming angry due to no longer being able to eat meat (or any other animal products for that matter) ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 19:53:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5B63BF0B; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:52:45 EDT Subject: Re: Midi Controller with Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186516365" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186516365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, matthjohnson@gmail.com writes: At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I think a 49 would be too large. I have the Axiom 49 and where as I haven't exactly thrown it under any buses lately, it is built pretty good and solid. I carry it to and from all over the place. I think you have to exercise caution when handling any electronic gear. As far as size is concerned, for me it's not important how many keys it has but rather what it's control surface offers. I wanted the pads and additional sliders & knobs that the 49 had that the 25 did not. 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-------------------------------1186516365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 20:03:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972413BF13; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c7d92e$0ea536e0$6401a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: Subject: Re: Midi Controller with Live Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:03:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D8F3.61CA5110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.81 () HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:03:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D8F3.61CA5110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an Axiom 61 that I have gigged with very regularly since I got it = in January, and it's great. It seems pretty sturdy, about what you'd = expect from a unit at its price point. I carry it to gigs in a case, and = has been reliable so far. I really like the keyboard feel a lot, though = I seem to be in the minority about this. I wish it had more and smaller = pads, I use them more as buttons than as percussion pads though. Also, I = actually wish the rotary encoders were knobs, knobs seem easier to deal = with for me. But I really like it a lot in general. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Midi Controller with Live In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = matthjohnson@gmail.com writes: At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have = heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other = units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, = although I think a 49 would be too large.=20 I have the Axiom 49 and where as I haven't exactly thrown it under any = buses lately, it is built pretty good and solid. I carry it to and from = all over the place. I think you have to exercise caution when handling = any electronic gear. As far as size is concerned, for me it's not = important how many keys it has but rather what it's control surface = offers. I wanted the pads and additional sliders & knobs that the 49 had = that the 25 did not. Glad I did because I use them frequently. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D8F3.61CA5110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an Axiom 61 that I have gigged with very regularly since I = got it in=20 January, and it's great. It seems pretty sturdy, about what you'd expect = from a=20 unit at its price point. I carry it to gigs in a case, and has been = reliable so=20 far. I really like the keyboard feel a lot, though I seem to be in the = minority=20 about this. I wish it had more and smaller pads, I use them more as = buttons than=20 as percussion pads though. Also, I actually wish the rotary encoders = were knobs,=20 knobs seem easier to deal with for me. But I really like it a lot in=20 general.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 = 12:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: Midi Controller = with=20 Live

In a message dated 8/7/2007 1:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = matthjohnson@gmail.com = writes:
At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I = have=20 heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than = other=20 units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, = although I=20 think a 49 would be too large.
I have the Axiom 49 and where as I haven't exactly thrown it = under any=20 buses lately, it is built pretty good and solid. I carry it to and=20 from all over the place. I think you have to exercise caution = when=20 handling any electronic gear. As far as size is concerned, for me it's = not=20 important how many keys it has but rather what it's control surface = offers. I=20 wanted the pads and additional sliders & knobs that the 49 = had that=20 the 25 did not. Glad I did because I use them frequently.=20  



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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D8F3.61CA5110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 22:03:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 095253BEE4; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Midi Controller with Live Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:02:55 -0700 Message-ID: <006901c7d93e$b88f0950$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7D904.0C303150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15d0840708071002m53832fbbg20262e64d36fb1c9@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcfZFM3hlY8cZgbWSla1iArb2/7DtQAKYpTg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:03:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7D904.0C303150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Novation SL stuff is spendy, but the time you'll save (a lot of = time, that's how much) when it auto maps itself to your VSTs makes it well = worth the price. Plus the build quality is excellent and nothing comes close = to it in feel, IMO. Most of the cheep stuff feels like toys to me. =20 M =20 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi Controller with Live =20 Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and = after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. = Does anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with = Live.=20 =20 At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have = heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other = units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I = think a 49 would be too large.=20 =20 The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great = and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live?=20 =20 Anyone ever use Edirol? =20 Novation is too expensive =20 On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey wrote:=20 On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford=20 > the rc-50. > Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass. I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499. Jeff --=20 Matt H. Johnson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7D904.0C303150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Novation SL stuff is spendy, = but the time you’ll save (a lot of time, that’s how much) when it = auto maps itself to your VSTs makes it well worth the price.  Plus the build = quality is excellent and nothing comes close to it in feel, IMO.  Most of the = cheep stuff feels like toys to me.

 

M

 

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From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, = 2007 10:03 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Midi Controller = with Live

 

Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the = most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I = am going to purchase one. Does anyone have any recommendations about brands = and compatability with Live.

 

At first I was looking at the M-Audio = Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break = quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key = range, although I think a 49 would be too large.

 

The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller = Keyboard looks really great and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit = with Live?

 

Anyone ever use Edirol?

 

Novation is too expensive

 

On = 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu= > wrote:


On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:

> actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford =
> the rc-50.
>
Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full = Compass.
I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499.

Jeff




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------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7D904.0C303150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 7 22:27:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D137E3BEDD; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BtVKaOuWMnXy/AORiI5ChTX0wuAafCVOtAbFCxD8IuOSs3dbyjDqHkKDx4SEw6kGo/MaarYtxu9W269xbY5v9McUQq31ZoC8umF+yK0Vxoq0bsZ2cWjuaZTreOskawPUSGsqEoWJ5RUVVrJSt5mmfne793OsxV9HmkXeJTCmm7E=; X-YMail-OSG: l1UnURAVM1n_Cdeo35A3LD624MS9UFG9iIlRYaYdiyhAU1IZshH5k2x1BtcJHvgtiw-- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <785908.15016.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Buzap - I'm working on the same issue for the same reasons! I'll be taking my RC-2, microphone, and new sound system suit (under construction) to Burning Man in a few weeks. Right now I'm just using a dynamic (SM-58) or battery-powered (AKG-1000) mic with a mic/line transformer directly in the 1/4" or 1/8" jacks. It's not great, but it does work. For your mixing needs, Rolls was already mentioned but try the PM50sob. It's sold as a headphone amp, but for what you want it seems like it would work well. And it's small. http://www.music123.com/Rolls-PM50s-Personal-Monitor-Amp-483854-i1145960.Music123 Also, there's some "field mixers" that come on eBay every so often for amazingly cheap, probably because they're generally listed for video use rather than musical use. I saw a used 3-channel XLR belt-clip 9v mixer go for $60 last week! Best o' luck! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com Newest CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers MySpace: www.myspace.com/onemouthband > Hi Guys (+ Girls?) > > I wanted to fulfill my dream of a humble, battery-driven looping setup > with an RC-2. > My understanding is that the RC-2 has only a Guitar Input. So, I guess I > need a Mic PreAmp, something like the small ART Mic PreAmps > (http://artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=79&cat=1&id=58). > > Do you have any suggestions that are __battery__ driven? > Can be also anything else (small mixer, effect..) - it just should be > small, battery driven and have a reasonable price & sound quality for >live > performance. > > Thanks > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 01:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559CE3BEE4; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: "'Matthew Johnson'" , Subject: RE: Midi Controller with Live Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: <008001c7d95c$9bdba430$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7D921.EF7CCC30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15d0840708071508n5a4b9554o2fbccf64ec8a49f5@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcfZP3yatRkGlBE7Tpy5x2w3CLrgQAAHRE5g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:37:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7D921.EF7CCC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.novationmusic.com/automap/index.asp?id=3D69 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:08 PM To: sine@zerocrossing.net Subject: Re: Midi Controller with Live =20 what exactly is "auto mapping"? does that just mean you dont have to independently program all the VSTs? could you elaborate on this at all? On 8/7/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote:=20 The Novation SL stuff is spendy, but the time you'll save (a lot of = time, that's how much) when it auto maps itself to your VSTs makes it well = worth the price. Plus the build quality is excellent and nothing comes close = to it in feel, IMO. Most of the cheep stuff feels like toys to me.=20 =20 M =20 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Johnson [mailto: matthjohnson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:03 AM=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi Controller with Live =20 Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and = after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I am going to purchase one. = Does anyone have any recommendations about brands and compatability with = Live.=20 =20 At first I was looking at the M-Audio Axioms(25 and 49), but I have = heard they are not the best quality and tend to break quicker than other = units. However, I am still look for something in this key range, although I = think a 49 would be too large.=20 =20 The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller Keyboard looks really great = and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit with Live?=20 =20 Anyone ever use Edirol? =20 Novation is too expensive =20 On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey < jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:=20 On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford=20 > the rc-50. > Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full Compass. I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499. Jeff --=20 Matt H. Johnson=20 --=20 Matt H. Johnson=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7D921.EF7CCC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.novationmusic.com/automap= /index.asp?id=3D69

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:08 = PM
To: = sine@zerocrossing.net
Subject: Re: = Midi Controller with Live

 

what exactly is "auto mapping"? does that just mean you dont have = to independently program all the VSTs? could you elaborate on this at = all?

On = 8/7/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:

The Novation SL = stuff is spendy, but the time you'll save (a lot of time, that's how much) when = it auto maps itself to your VSTs makes it well worth the price.  Plus the = build quality is excellent and nothing comes close to it in feel, IMO.  = Most of the cheep stuff feels like toys to me.

 

M

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = Matthew Johnson [mailto: matthjohnson@gmail.com]
Sent: = Tuesday, August 07, 2007 = 10:03 AM =
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m

Subject: Midi Controller with Live

 

Im learning Live currently. Up til now, the = most comprehensive program I used was Cubase SE3. I have never used a midi controller before, and after taking a couple more weeks to learn Live, I = am going to purchase one. Does anyone have any recommendations about brands = and compatability with Live.

 

At first I was looking at the M-Audio = Axioms(25 and 49), but I have heard they are not the best quality and tend to break = quicker than other units. However, I am still look for something in this key = range, although I think a 49 would be too large.

 

The Korg MicroKontrol 37-Key USB Controller = Keyboard looks really great and I am very intersted in it. Anyone use this unit = with Live?

 

Anyone ever use Edirol?

 

Novation is too expensive

 

On 8/7/07, Jeff Shirkey < jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:


On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:

> actaully i think i meant the rc-20xl. Thanks. I too cannot afford =
> the rc-50.
>
Just fyi, the best price I've seen on the rc-50 is from Full = Compass.
I believe I paid $398. Most places sell it for $499.

Jeff




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------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7D921.EF7CCC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 03:30:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A813BEDE; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18ff01c7d96c$7de58e40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <785908.15016.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:30:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <14xVIC.A.SK.gjTuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Here are a crap load of mini mixers: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/8182/Analog_Mixers_Analog_Utility_Mixers.html Too bad that tiny Behringer mixer with 1 XLR input and a few 1/4" inputs isn't battery powered. What a bummer, man....that would be great. Maplin makes some interesting little devices too: http://www.maplin.co.uk/family_free_delivery/Mixer.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? > Buzap - > > I'm working on the same issue for the same reasons! I'll be > taking my RC-2, microphone, and new sound system suit > (under construction) to Burning Man in a few weeks. Right > now I'm just using a dynamic (SM-58) or battery-powered > (AKG-1000) mic with a mic/line transformer directly in the > 1/4" or 1/8" jacks. It's not great, but it does work. > > For your mixing needs, Rolls was already mentioned but try > the PM50sob. It's sold as a headphone amp, but for what you > want it seems like it would work well. And it's small. > http://www.music123.com/Rolls-PM50s-Personal-Monitor-Amp-483854-i1145960.Music123 > > Also, there's some "field mixers" that come on eBay every > so often for amazingly cheap, probably because they're > generally listed for video use rather than musical use. I > saw a used 3-channel XLR belt-clip 9v mixer go for $60 last > week! > > Best o' luck! > > Sam Rogers > One Mouth Band > > Website: www.OneMouthBand.com > Newest CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com > EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers > MySpace: www.myspace.com/onemouthband > > > >> Hi Guys (+ Girls?) >> >> I wanted to fulfill my dream of a humble, battery-driven > looping setup >> with an RC-2. >> My understanding is that the RC-2 has only a Guitar > Input. So, I guess I >> need a Mic PreAmp, something like the small ART Mic > PreAmps >> > (http://artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=79&cat=1&id=58). >> >> Do you have any suggestions that are __battery__ driven? >> Can be also anything else (small mixer, effect..) - it > just should be >> small, battery driven and have a reasonable price & sound > quality for >>live >> performance. >> >> Thanks >> Buzap >> >> -- >> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten >> Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 06:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2F73BEE4; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:05:15 +0200 Message-ID: <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcfZcc3DjUmcJqlBQPaNXrHjgZz3ggAD4L+A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:05:20 +0000 (UTC) sorry for bringing this up ... I'm sure this topic has already been discussed to death here but I haven't followed it ... I was so focused on planning to get a decent Windows notebook (provided that I really get this job that I'm waiting for) that I never earnestly thought about a Mac, but now a friend said that a Macbook could also run Windows XP along with its own system, and that one could simply switch between systems. So would a Macbook with 2 GB and Windows be good enough to run Ableton Live and Moebius, a sampler, and some VST plugins, or would it have substantial disadvantages compared to a Dell or similar notebook? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 06:49:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8F813BEDB; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qaQnR2VXL0tb91knErm4cDynIEyJBK85O5K8Hpr8XxYZNpPWfZGzu5ncTI0VDiErz8PRlFwS9aLMR1edmKzNg1eTVgiVS9OXUhbrhE2XuR1fMWIrwxmRjxXg6qnTpdjv3TPR3HGL1RHMZS/5hAzGKgdN6R4uy+0gzRNHDN+9Yp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o00rT0hYUb526e8QDXoUC1FYMH+pXBwBrEntCht74TWL4OeAobOrZ4lZI0KhzlXIDhvSf8Citd3xdDHnGGpSDCfUBo7ZoylSYedzUKVWJdZm0tmxyWKBragbWC4mrrFM4vVtI+yWDbyDc6qVzPQfX4zY47+aGhr9s8Gf9BvTHAQ= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0708072349w3517c1dfne9c24fd5fae6da55@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:49:12 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping In-Reply-To: <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:49:14 +0000 (UTC) I'm doing it, Macbook is a stellar XP and Vista laptop. Only downside is the integrated video (only an issue if trying to sync to video for example), which is neatly resolved by getting a macbook pro instead :) -Miles On 8/7/07, Michael Peters wrote: > sorry for bringing this up ... I'm sure this topic has already been > discussed to death here but I haven't followed it ... I was so focused on > planning to get a decent Windows notebook (provided that I really get this > job that I'm waiting for) that I never earnestly thought about a Mac, but > now a friend said that a Macbook could also run Windows XP along with its > own system, and that one could simply switch between systems. So would a > Macbook with 2 GB and Windows be good enough to run Ableton Live and > Moebius, a sampler, and some VST plugins, or would it have substantial > disadvantages compared to a Dell or similar notebook? > > -Michael > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 09:31:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782C63BECF; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c7d99e$d2355840$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <4cf76a0b0708072349w3517c1dfne9c24fd5fae6da55@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:30:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:31:09 +0000 (UTC) One shouldn't forget the price differences, as they're significant - as well as the cost of getting Apple-certed repairs. This from Best Buy, for instance: Macbook (MB061LL/A): $ 1018 MacBook Pro (MA610LL): 1842 MacBook Pro (MA897LL/A): $ 2399 MacBook Pro PC (MA869LL/A) $ 2780 Compare this with a high-end high-profile manufacturer (of which there is more than one in the non-Mac world), an HP 2315EA goes for $1125. That's a sizable difference. Mind you, all the prices above are higher than regular due to the Retail Factor, and I haven't added up the cost of building your own PC notebook either. But just a cautionary note regarding the prices - and how one doesn't need to think much to figure out what to spend a free thousand on, should the PC option be used. Of course if one just wants OSX, well, so be it. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "miles ward" To: Sent: Wednesday, 8 August, 2007 07:49 AM Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping > I'm doing it, Macbook is a stellar XP and Vista laptop. Only downside > is the integrated video (only an issue if trying to sync to video for > example), which is neatly resolved by getting a macbook pro instead :) > -Miles > > On 8/7/07, Michael Peters wrote: >> sorry for bringing this up ... I'm sure this topic has already been >> discussed to death here but I haven't followed it ... I was so focused on >> planning to get a decent Windows notebook (provided that I really get >> this >> job that I'm waiting for) that I never earnestly thought about a Mac, but >> now a friend said that a Macbook could also run Windows XP along with its >> own system, and that one could simply switch between systems. So would a >> Macbook with 2 GB and Windows be good enough to run Ableton Live and >> Moebius, a sampler, and some VST plugins, or would it have substantial >> disadvantages compared to a Dell or similar notebook? >> >> -Michael >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 10:54:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 291663BEE2; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:54:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Hey Michael, I've really been researching the hell out of the very question you just asked about getting a Macbook to run Windows for looping. >From at least 6 different sources who I respect deeply and who I believe are not prejudicial to either operating system (Win XP and Max OS X) the consensus is to NOT invest in a PC machine but to go the route of the MacBook and as has already been discussed, the Macbook Pro if synchronized video is something you want to do as well. I did hear this, however, and because I don't own one yet, I don't know if it's true or not. Maybe Macbook and Macbook Pro owners can chime in. When running the Parallels program which allows for simultaneous operation of both operating systems, it will be necessary to have 2 megs of RAM for EACH side. I've also heard it said several times that running Parallels has NOT been eficacious for audio on the Win side of the machine (and all consensus is to not dream of using Win VISTA to run music..............at least until their service pack 2 is available in a year or two...............remember how unstable Win XP was before service pack 2) but that it's better to run Boot Camp which is an either or solution to the operating system. To me the really attractive thing about the Macbook is that one can run there internet browser and email programs under OS X where there is very little danger of viruses and spy, ad and malware) and then, if you are a Windows music app fan run your music applications on the WIN XP side. I am no expert but this is what I've learned after having queeried tons and tons of people. I have a valued student who just bought a MacBook Pro and he is going to let me borrow it to install some Win XP programs so I can figure out how well it runs my own favorite programs (Fruity Loops, Sony ACID, Sony Sound Forge, Sony Vegas Video, Adobe Audition, Tuareg, Granulab, et. al.) I currently am only looping with hardwared but may be forced to put together a laptop solution in order to be able to afford to do my next large European tour. I'll let you know what I find out. yours, Rick ps I have been a rather stubborn Win XP advocate for all these years for what it's worth so, as fellow Win XP advocate says, 'they really have me drinking the koolaid" to be talking like this.....................lol Hopefully, it's never too late to change, though. If only they made Moebius and Fruity Loops for Mac OS X. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 14:29:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD60C3BEDF; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007601c7d99e$d2355840$0201a8c0@eluk1> References: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <4cf76a0b0708072349w3517c1dfne9c24fd5fae6da55@mail.gmail.com> <007601c7d99e$d2355840$0201a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <44fdc2cbb42dbf91d30cc6f1c5ff39b4@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rick williamson Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:31:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:29:13 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > HP 2315EA Can you point me to this model on the web. Google search brings up nothing. Rick Williamson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 15:43:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A763BEEC; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:43:46 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:43:53 +0000 (UTC) At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: >>BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I >>have been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator >>or preamp that really makes the guitar sound like it should before >>going into the laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin >>figured out (LR Baggs para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful >>sound. It is the solid body electric guitar with it's seemingly >>lifeless and dry direct sound that is the issue. The electric >>guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match made in audio heaven, >>evolving together. > >Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at the DI/PreAmp >part of the setup. >I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but that's rather overkill) >and getting some nice sounds just going straight to the pa. Kris, Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you might also try looking at something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( http://www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You don't even have to use it for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have on hand for level matching too. I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound you're describing -- I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, which are kinda their own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a pretty decent job of amp emulation for a box the size of a cigarette pack. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 16:05:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1927D3BEE7; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=rC21ntOor4sS9M4ttQgGSIzUNOb1tmn2Mq+xTwgcPZbie+sl4yh31u+zoU+8BgsOz6vfeqV2VloKBc3RiqVTFe7cympnUVmBpFQOAB0Y4Cxs4FBWiPTtIbKup2qq2+dQG0kIzp2IFSqt2d05M8URLhIk08sj2wg+XTHp7L5y2ZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MCcnXeN6GdgS/tDQisJNB59uBexofXtozwvF5j1tF3AKg+Dqh/K6GEsDl5SGy66PY3pWI9fIXIPZwoF88w/MU+Ri6lnDo92C7HShGka27VMkDw9Z2vQoS6IyvSYJSZLECqwbyvwGmHGRzhjFRK9Jk7uK+g/mxdoWhEPL4LKGpkQ= Message-ID: <12ec33de0708080905u40c357d1uaef5a2d7cefc256b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:05:46 -0400 From: "Joshua Rothhaas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rc-2 v rc20xl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32777_29071258.1186589146304" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:05:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32777_29071258.1186589146304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the rc-2 and it looks pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have over the rc-2? how important is that second pedal? what else is a big deal? I am just starting, and i am looking at these two to be my first machines. part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance set up? (i only plan to use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to play it through my macbook so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and also, if possible, run it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded tracks play. is this possible? what will i need? -- Huzza ------=_Part_32777_29071258.1186589146304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the rc-2 and it looks pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have over the rc-2? how important is that second pedal? what else is a big deal? I am just starting, and i am looking at these two to be my first machines.

part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance set up? (i only plan to use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to play it through my macbook so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and also, if possible, run it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded tracks play.

is this possible? what will i need?

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Huzza ------=_Part_32777_29071258.1186589146304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 16:54:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 122CA3BEF1; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=v/a0zUl/wgMR5MVeivS8kzxR0x3JyXfVp5lZNHViPjWYW8bshChUNmbuOE7vtNOO2RytQ62HbW2S+X6Rr8QxSffmAT69WEePFdlgTl0qM0lDZExm9z2uMz+72svDQjPi/RDKgrcOCah/ko6iEs32dh9vwVMnSY+e2YSWMhmxmA4=; X-YMail-OSG: XlRgsw4VM1nHg7qOh1eVKepSKgVO0VrO0.XFEs88XUyUNh22ytyKiBBKmYD4KWW9BrFAdtaFZMgwUM6zERb54eLrmjA.GKUhFSu7KDUR9QnMcoMZnuvKy0rYZsf9jQ-- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12ec33de0708080905u40c357d1uaef5a2d7cefc256b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270596.51695.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:54:51 +0000 (UTC) In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty much the same in their functions, but that second pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't quote me on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2, the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 and if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for composition, I'd go with the 20. --- Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the > rc-2 and it looks > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have > over the rc-2? how > important is that second pedal? what else is a big > deal? I am just starting, > and i am looking at these two to be my first > machines. > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance > set up? (i only plan to > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to > play it through my macbook > so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and > also, if possible, run > it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded > tracks play. > > is this possible? what will i need? > > -- > Huzza > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:12:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077823BEB8; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sLH+WAUDV4IOO/oXRpgBXMOkcwqwumfr7Qae1/QEljjbbBjRhrugr9Jg6q7dLt54NvLMG8tq6hx50SkYyS6sQJ7/4AJH+NGENrh2TmJ/ymtZO02bgSO3yhqVkJ5IXWQGq57WQ3r7WdpPKiF+P51BDliQG22kkrvPqyqAafjE84E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=t2gZ5kcG7XMYENb76Xmpns1fj7wA8wCsF7GwaVFYV384yv2A4w60dygb/7DlDXC2DCMMJAvrC0MfyE1n5fjwtzSYeJIpOhSmcb6xWOy3hROhr/4/0jvJmiiiYXG4myvp4AuMXdbWuFgQJ1j3LrYxnxStJKgKWfjGc1HegQ5O4fw= Message-ID: <12ec33de0708081012k1886ce0ak129d58214ace3798@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:12:46 -0400 From: "Joshua Rothhaas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl In-Reply-To: <270596.51695.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34013_25122154.1186593166026" References: <12ec33de0708080905u40c357d1uaef5a2d7cefc256b@mail.gmail.com> <270596.51695.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-9D5pC.A.EyH.PmfuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:12:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34013_25122154.1186593166026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline great, thanks so much On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > > In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty > much the same in their functions, but that second > pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching > from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't quote me > on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2, > the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and > overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop > quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap > tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 and > if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple > layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for > composition, I'd go with the 20. > --- Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the > > rc-2 and it looks > > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have > > over the rc-2? how > > important is that second pedal? what else is a big > > deal? I am just starting, > > and i am looking at these two to be my first > > machines. > > > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance > > set up? (i only plan to > > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to > > play it through my macbook > > so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and > > also, if possible, run > > it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded > > tracks play. > > > > is this possible? what will i need? > > > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > -- Huzza ------=_Part_34013_25122154.1186593166026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline great, thanks so much

On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid <apparitionapparition@yahoo.com> wrote:
In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty
much the same in their functions, but that second
pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching
from loop slot to loop slot.  Also, and don't quote me
on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2,
the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and
overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop
quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap
tempo(not too sure about that yet).  I own the 2 and
if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple
layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for
composition, I'd go with the 20.
--- Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the
> rc-2 and it looks
> pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have
> over the rc-2? how
> important is that second pedal? what else is a big
> deal? I am just starting,
> and i am looking at these two to be my first
> machines.
>
> part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance
> set up? (i only plan to
> use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to
> play it through my macbook
> so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and
> also, if possible, run
> it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded
> tracks play.
>
> is this possible? what will i need?
>
> --
> Huzza
>




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Huzza ------=_Part_34013_25122154.1186593166026-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:14:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D73B63BEF8; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c7d9df$82e7c430$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0708072349w3517c1dfne9c24fd5fae6da55@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcfZiDyr5lKhHsjjToGgfFiUOaNkxQAVxeCw Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Most of the cheaper non Apple laptops have this same issue. I custom = made a a laptop via Toshiba and had them put a beefier video card in it to = bypass this. -----Original Message----- From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping I'm doing it, Macbook is a stellar XP and Vista laptop. Only downside is the integrated video (only an issue if trying to sync to video for example), which is neatly resolved by getting a macbook pro instead :) -Miles On 8/7/07, Michael Peters wrote: > sorry for bringing this up ... I'm sure this topic has already been > discussed to death here but I haven't followed it ... I was so focused = on > planning to get a decent Windows notebook (provided that I really get = this > job that I'm waiting for) that I never earnestly thought about a Mac, = but > now a friend said that a Macbook could also run Windows XP along with = its > own system, and that one could simply switch between systems. So would = a > Macbook with 2 GB and Windows be good enough to run Ableton Live and > Moebius, a sampler, and some VST plugins, or would it have substantial > disadvantages compared to a Dell or similar notebook? > > -Michael > > --=20 ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:14:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2475D3BF01; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:12:59 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Micheal et alteri, one month ago i have buyed a Mackbook. After a lot of research, i got the convincement that the mackbook pro has just two additional features: 1. it can have 4giga of ram (mackbook has a max of 2 giga) 2. mackbook pro is better for video apps because of it has an integrated video card ...but it's more expensive, as you know yet. I have got a RME 400...and i have to say that, at this moment, i'm happy with this set-up. I'm running Mobius (thanks to Jeff will never be enough....) as standalone and i have tested it working with all 8 tracks working at the same moment (with half-speed, reverse, mute modes, etc...) and never got problems. I have tested it synching to a drum machine and it's ok (apart some synch mobius problems discussed in that list.) I have not tested it as a vst inside Energy yet, but i'm pretty sure it will work well. I love this laptop and his size, compared to the mackbook pro. If it can helps... Bye fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:18:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B063BEE1; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Question for Sooperlooper users re: Ableton Live Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:18:29 +0000 Message-Id: <080820071718.5397.46B9FAE50003BAA4000015152212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5397_1186593509_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:18:32 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5397_1186593509_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Experimenting with software loopers again. Sooperlooper seems to be the best one availalble for my 1.5 Mac Powerbook. I have the AU version of SL installed on a Midi track in Live 6.07. I have an audio track (Guitar In) routed to the midi track. I have another audio track recieving audio from the midi track. So far so good. I can control SL with an FCB1010. I can hear input and looped material. (All monitors are set to "In") I would like to add some effects to the guitar signal going into SL. If I place a delay on the Audio In (Guitar), it appears audio is not being routed through the delay. The signal going into SL is dry. If I place a delay in front of SL on the midi track, that doesnt work either. The only way I'm able to hear a wet signal is if I create yet another audio track before the original "audio in" track and route it through that. Is this correct? Am I missing something regarding routing? Also, to utilize multiple loops, do I need multiple tracks and extended midi assignments? It seems to be a really cool setup. If I can just figure out the finer points I would very happy. I tried posting on the Sooperlooper mailing list, but all my emails come back as errors. Any help would greatly appreciated. Regards MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5397_1186593509_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Experimenting with software loopers again. Sooperlooper seems to be the best one availalble for my 1.5 Mac Powerbook. I have the AU version of SL installed on a Midi track in Live 6.07. I have an audio track (Guitar In) routed to the midi track. I have another audio track recieving audio from the midi track. So far so good. I can control SL with an FCB1010. I can hear input and looped material. (All monitors are set to "In")
I would like to add some effects to the guitar signal going into SL. If I place a delay on the Audio In (Guitar), it appears audio is not being routed through the delay. The signal going into SL is dry.
If I place a delay in front of SL on the midi track, that doesnt work either. The only way I'm able to hear a wet signal is if I create yet another audio track before the original "audio in" track and route it through that. Is this correct? Am I missing something regarding routing?
Also, to utilize multiple loops, do I need multiple tracks and extended midi assignments?
It seems to be a really cool setup. If I can just figure out the finer points I would very happy. I tried posting on the Sooperlooper mailing list, but all my emails come back as errors.
Any help would greatly appreciated.
Regards
MFC
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5397_1186593509_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:42:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7F693BEEC; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hU507ySp6ftcyx/Oi2eQ7BDklwAI1C7MiecQfTGWsi5b5L1V6UDaFLHp3al16oiyRffzmQdrwIB+b7wIaKFeNSDG4EuQWMYAXGlmFiVwVXyCCOvAICjpH3E+BBoBDVcszM82+YTmNo8a/iqNcu5pjKWhw2i01Xw0ppwe+ElaAp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CYGxwy4cW/osRz+l1nA/qdqA9QOL5NB0mlwyBcrM3M5SjukaY0sVs/H9L+c+omFP4bTOUfB1aApUPbjCUvs//i/wbyA83UWXIrL7xU+k2cB3ma1o7B+T83Hn+1+pMPgYr1EWXWEygjHNeAF40o/5utsD51axQc0kgUoPE6erWig= Message-ID: <15d0840708081042if159002p9f39aa2addc7b956@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:42:17 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl In-Reply-To: <12ec33de0708081012k1886ce0ak129d58214ace3798@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47558_15843858.1186594937423" References: <12ec33de0708080905u40c357d1uaef5a2d7cefc256b@mail.gmail.com> <270596.51695.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12ec33de0708081012k1886ce0ak129d58214ace3798@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:42:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_47558_15843858.1186594937423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and fs6) that can be purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they would be more useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live performance capabilities. I play with a RC-20xl. If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo the most recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops in teh phrase to keep playing? Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you are playing live? Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life *complete*?! On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > great, thanks so much > > On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > > > > In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty > > much the same in their functions, but that second > > pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching > > from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't quote me > > on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2, > > the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and > > overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop > > quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap > > tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 and > > if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple > > layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for > > composition, I'd go with the 20. > > --- Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the > > > rc-2 and it looks > > > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have > > > over the rc-2? how > > > important is that second pedal? what else is a big > > > deal? I am just starting, > > > and i am looking at these two to be my first > > > machines. > > > > > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance > > > set up? (i only plan to > > > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to > > > play it through my macbook > > > so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and > > > also, if possible, run > > > it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded > > > tracks play. > > > > > > is this possible? what will i need? > > > > > > -- > > > Huzza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > -- > Huzza -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_47558_15843858.1186594937423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and fs6) that can be purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they would be more useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live performance capabilities. I play with a RC-20xl.
 
If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo the most recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops in teh phrase to keep playing?
 
 
Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you are playing live?
 
Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life complete?!

 
On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:
great, thanks so much


On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid <apparitionapparition@yahoo.com > wrote:
In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty
much the same in their functions, but that second
pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching
from loop slot to loop slot.  Also, and don't quote me
on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2,
the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and
overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop
quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap
tempo(not too sure about that yet).  I own the 2 and
if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple
layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for
composition, I'd go with the 20.
--- Joshua Rothhaas < joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the
> rc-2 and it looks
> pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have
> over the rc-2? how
> important is that second pedal? what else is a big
> deal? I am just starting,
> and i am looking at these two to be my first
> machines.
>
> part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance
> set up? (i only plan to
> use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to
> play it through my macbook
> so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and
> also, if possible, run
> it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded
> tracks play.
>
> is this possible? what will i need?
>
> --
> Huzza
>




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Johnson ------=_Part_47558_15843858.1186594937423-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 17:44:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69473BEF9; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A241@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Topic: Macbook for Windows looping thread-index: AcfZqpJ6ae7DYLzxQj+v+bdXGYg3vgANNSSw References: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) I've run XP on a Macbook Pro and I agree with the consensus that it is a fine machine for XP. I had two relatively minor problems. First, the built-in camera did not have drivers for XP so it could not be used. It's been over 6 months so they may have fixed that by now. More significant for me, the PC has both a Delete and Backspace key, the Mac has only a Delete key which performs the same function as PC's Backspace key (still with me here?). There are some applications that need to use the PC-Delete key. The are also a few XP operations that need Delete, one is the old ctrl-alt-Delete key chord that in the old days did a reboot but which now brings up the Lock/Shutdown/TaskManager dialog. Also, if you have XP configured to login to a domain, whenever you boot or shut down the computer you will go to a little welcome screen that requires you to use ctrl-alt-Delete to login. This has supposedly been fixed in newer versions of Bootcamp by giving you a Delete key by pressing Fn+Backspace but I haven't verified this. If this hasn't been fixed by now, you can fix it with a "key remapping" utility. If you are not going to plug in a 3 button mouse you will find the built-in trackpad useless in a hurry because you can't right click. This can also be solved with key remapping but it's easier just to buy a PC mouse. If you are used to a the layout of the PC keyboard, you may be annoyed by the Function, Control, and Alt keys which are in different places on the Mac keyboard. These too can be moved around with key remapping. Here's a blog entry from last year that describes this in more detail: http://alanhogan.com/tips/boot-camp-delete-and-right-click As he notes, some of the issues have been fixed in the newest version of Bootcamp so you probably won't need to mess with this unless you want to move your function keys. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:08:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 452483BEFF; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xDso6Xi5z/zjFHZjXTszumpBC7iBEnUiZJ3GwY0xXDXjDc4ZTfdrXl4p3Ux5Tkigr0GhOFT691nvyxvcA+g46pCqe7xgZu7ikZM9yCBcvgBrtAzqDS08R3XoIPJIk4Wht1KmbkH1rTUy16tyJGxRm2DbrVlUwltfIb31TIeirvk=; X-YMail-OSG: y3tdr98VM1mehJtkuiYzIc3soKqM6XHHa8Bk3cCpRs1eEpT49usk..HycYh0Loyw8cNq5n9Z8KUd7U9uoRmi6SvSsETzf57bnqSiBinEmiUfgEaJ0K0.7hwiTXOo3A-- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d0840708081042if159002p9f39aa2addc7b956@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <837700.15622.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <626F7.A.YbC.aaguGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:08:27 +0000 (UTC) For the life of me, I can't find my RC2 manual, but if I remember, the extra footswitch basically functions like the second pedal on the rc 20, it is a stop button, a tap tempo, and banks through the 11 loop slots, if I can find the manual, I'll confuirm that. --- Matthew Johnson wrote: > what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and > fs6) that can be purchased > with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems > they would be more useful > for the RC 2 because of its more limited live > performance capabilities. I > play with a RC-20xl. > > If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow > you to undo the most > recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops > in teh phrase to keep > playing? > > > Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks > while you are playing > live? > > Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my > life *complete*?! > > > On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas > wrote: > > > > great, thanks so much > > > > On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid > wrote: > > > > > > In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are > pretty > > > much the same in their functions, but that > second > > > pedal will come in really handy if your'e > switching > > > from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't > quote me > > > on this, the 20 has a few more functions than > the 2, > > > the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just > records and > > > overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop > > > quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for > tap > > > tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 > and > > > if you need a very basic loop pedal for some > simple > > > layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it > for > > > composition, I'd go with the 20. > > > --- Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > > > > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video > of the > > > > rc-2 and it looks > > > > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl > have > > > > over the rc-2? how > > > > important is that second pedal? what else is a > big > > > > deal? I am just starting, > > > > and i am looking at these two to be my first > > > > machines. > > > > > > > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a > performance > > > > set up? (i only plan to > > > > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able > to > > > > play it through my macbook > > > > so i can record (is that possible?) my > sessions and > > > > also, if possible, run > > > > it through my macbook so i can have a few > pre-loaded > > > > tracks play. > > > > > > > > is this possible? what will i need? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Huzza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:13:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7A43BF06; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=P0ErnFx/5kfC0obexjwA/FOP3jk3tfcRYNf4AjWLH0BvsVq3+NAeDfyKkfxCIg4L0oKOh5UyYRsgObLeF4RT0r2n7UvwD+ClmdNuSe/cRWhua1rO8GmuiFfQf3Tj5RhESJVahSws7u4s8e2QSpJBvKQuM8czVQMUSOt49/7kRws=; X-YMail-OSG: O7DIKWUVM1mWBb8.UozpYF5z36LzORJZ6JjzJqRU8rvRv5K1Ixp8U0HjQyx3QkrEKKPxeBAcxWN2PX5imPT2KniQfIi835Q.a2IgsCTGor2UWvDbl3thZYnzAM4kuA-- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15d0840708081042if159002p9f39aa2addc7b956@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <716769.22526.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's the offical Boss demos for the two pedals. Here's the RC2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tSfDcN_qXg Here's the RC20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-K50n7mLM Hope that helps, and if nothing else, You gotta love Johnny DeMarco, his facial expressions are awesome. --- Matthew Johnson wrote: > what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and > fs6) that can be purchased > with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems > they would be more useful > for the RC 2 because of its more limited live > performance capabilities. I > play with a RC-20xl. > > If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow > you to undo the most > recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops > in teh phrase to keep > playing? > > > Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks > while you are playing > live? > > Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my > life *complete*?! > > > On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas > wrote: > > > > great, thanks so much > > > > On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid > wrote: > > > > > > In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are > pretty > > > much the same in their functions, but that > second > > > pedal will come in really handy if your'e > switching > > > from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't > quote me > > > on this, the 20 has a few more functions than > the 2, > > > the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just > records and > > > overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop > > > quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for > tap > > > tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 > and > > > if you need a very basic loop pedal for some > simple > > > layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it > for > > > composition, I'd go with the 20. > > > --- Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > > > > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video > of the > > > > rc-2 and it looks > > > > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl > have > > > > over the rc-2? how > > > > important is that second pedal? what else is a > big > > > > deal? I am just starting, > > > > and i am looking at these two to be my first > > > > machines. > > > > > > > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a > performance > > > > set up? (i only plan to > > > > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able > to > > > > play it through my macbook > > > > so i can record (is that possible?) my > sessions and > > > > also, if possible, run > > > > it through my macbook so i can have a few > pre-loaded > > > > tracks play. > > > > > > > > is this possible? what will i need? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Huzza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:16:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 921903BF0D; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.4C2B03B2" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: rc-2 v rc20xl Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D638@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <15d0840708081042if159002p9f39aa2addc7b956@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: rc-2 v rc20xl Thread-Index: AcfZ43gLilN2LygwQ9m5aQmgy2SrZwABJezg From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:16:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.4C2B03B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can use them for either punching the Reverse function in mid loop or you can use the bigger switch(the one with two buttons) to go up or down a loop track with your foot. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl =09 =09 what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and fs6) that can be purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they would be more useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live performance capabilities. I play with a RC-20xl.=20 =20 If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo the most recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops in teh phrase to keep playing? =20 =20 Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you are playing live? =20 Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life complete?! =09 =20 On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:=20 great, thanks so much=20 =09 =09 =09 On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid wrote:=20 In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty much the same in their functions, but that second=20 pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't quote me on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2, the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and=20 overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 and if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for composition, I'd go with the 20. --- Joshua Rothhaas < joshua.mr@gmail.com > wrote: =09 > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the=20 > rc-2 and it looks > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have > over the rc-2? how > important is that second pedal? what else is a big=20 > deal? I am just starting, > and i am looking at these two to be my first=20 > machines. > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance > set up? (i only plan to > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to=20 > play it through my macbook > so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and=20 > also, if possible, run > it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded > tracks play. > > is this possible? what will i need? > > -- > Huzza > =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search=20 that gives answers, not web links. =09 http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC=20 =09 =09 --=20 Huzza=20 --=20 Matt H. Johnson=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.4C2B03B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 can use them for either punching the Reverse function in mid loop or you = can use=20 the bigger switch(the one with two buttons) to go up or down a loop = track with=20 your foot.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Matthew Johnson=20 [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, = 2007=20 12:42 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: rc-2 v rc20xl

what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and fs6) that = can be=20 purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they would = be more=20 useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live performance = capabilities.=20 I play with a RC-20xl.
 
If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo = the most=20 recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops in = teh=20 phrase to keep playing?
 
 
Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you are = playing=20 live?
 
Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life=20 complete?!

 
On 8/8/07, Joshua=20 Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> = wrote:=20
great,=20 thanks so much=20


On 8/8/07, Brian=20 Kupferschmid <apparitionapparition@yahoo.com > = wrote:=20
In=20 regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty
much the same = in=20 their functions, but that second
pedal will come in really = handy if=20 your'e switching
from loop slot to loop slot.  Also, = and=20 don't quote me
on this, the 20 has a few more functions than = the=20 2,
the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and =
overdubs,=20 the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop
quantize, as well as = using one=20 of the pedals for tap
tempo(not too sure about that = yet).  I=20 own the 2 and
if you need a very basic loop pedal for some=20 simple
layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it=20 for
composition, I'd go with the 20.
--- Joshua Rothhaas = <=20 joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aight, so a few = questions.=20 I just saw a video of the
> rc-2 and it looks
> = pretty=20 amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have
> over the = rc-2?=20 how
> important is that second pedal? what else is a big =
>=20 deal? I am just starting,
> and i am looking at these two to = be my=20 first
> machines.
>
> part 2: Also, what all do = I need=20 for a performance
> set up? (i only plan to
> use a = mic) I=20 have a macbook. I want to be able to
> play it through my=20 macbook
> so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions = and=20
> also, if possible, run
> it through my macbook so i = can=20 have a few pre-loaded
> tracks play.
>
> is this = possible? what will i need?
>
> --
>=20 = Huzza
>




________________________________________= ____________________________________________
Yahoo!=20 oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
that gives answers, not web=20 links.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXI= C=20




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Huzza



--=20
Matt H. Johnson
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.4C2B03B2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:18:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F01B3BF0B; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.766F4F7C" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: rc-2 v rc20xl Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D639@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D638@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: rc-2 v rc20xl Thread-Index: AcfZ43gLilN2LygwQ9m5aQmgy2SrZwABJezgAAAV7vA= From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.766F4F7C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that was for the rc20xl btw. I have no idea what they do for the 2 or the 50. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bailey [mailto:jbailey@wsimail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: rc-2 v rc20xl =09 =09 You can use them for either punching the Reverse function in mid loop or you can use the bigger switch(the one with two buttons) to go up or down a loop track with your foot. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 v rc20xl =09 =09 what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and fs6) that can be purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they would be more useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live performance capabilities. I play with a RC-20xl.=20 =20 If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo the most recent overdub, but allow the earlier recorded loops in teh phrase to keep playing? =20 =20 Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you are playing live? =20 Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life complete?! =09 =20 On 8/8/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote:=20 great, thanks so much=20 =09 =09 =09 On 8/8/07, Brian Kupferschmid wrote:=20 In regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty much the same in their functions, but that second=20 pedal will come in really handy if your'e switching from loop slot to loop slot. Also, and don't quote me on this, the 20 has a few more functions than the 2, the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and=20 overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and loop quantize, as well as using one of the pedals for tap tempo(not too sure about that yet). I own the 2 and if you need a very basic loop pedal for some simple layering, that'll do it, but if you are using it for composition, I'd go with the 20. --- Joshua Rothhaas < joshua.mr@gmail.com > wrote: =09 > Aight, so a few questions. I just saw a video of the=20 > rc-2 and it looks > pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have > over the rc-2? how > important is that second pedal? what else is a big=20 > deal? I am just starting, > and i am looking at these two to be my first=20 > machines. > > part 2: Also, what all do I need for a performance > set up? (i only plan to > use a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to=20 > play it through my macbook > so i can record (is that possible?) my sessions and=20 > also, if possible, run > it through my macbook so i can have a few pre-loaded > tracks play. > > is this possible? what will i need? > > -- > Huzza > =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. =09 http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC=20 =09 =09 --=20 Huzza=20 --=20 Matt H. Johnson=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.766F4F7C Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
that=20 was for the rc20xl btw.  I have no idea what they do for the 2 or = the=20 50.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim = Bailey=20 [mailto:jbailey@wsimail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, = 2007 1:17=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 rc-2 v rc20xl

You=20 can use them for either punching the Reverse function in mid loop or = you can=20 use the bigger switch(the one with two buttons) to go up or down a = loop track=20 with your foot.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Matthew=20 Johnson [mailto:matthjohnson@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, = August=20 08, 2007 12:42 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: rc-2 v=20 rc20xl

what do the additional boss footswitches(fs5u and = fs6) that can be=20 purchased with the RC 2, 20xl and 50 do exactly? Its seems they = would be=20 more useful for the RC 2 because of its more limited live = performance=20 capabilities. I play with a RC-20xl.
 
If you have simultaneous loops going, does it allow you to undo = the=20 most recent overdub, but allow the earlier = recorded loops in=20 teh phrase to keep playing?
 
 
Does it allow you to move to one of the other banks while you = are=20 playing live?
 
Basically, try to sell me on it? How will it make my life=20 complete?!

 
On 8/8/07, Joshua=20 Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> = wrote:=20
great,=20 thanks so much=20


On 8/8/07, Brian=20 Kupferschmid <apparitionapparition@yahoo.com > = wrote:=20
In=20 regards to the RC2 vs the RC20xl, they are pretty
much the = same in=20 their functions, but that second
pedal will come in really = handy if=20 your'e switching
from loop slot to loop = slot.  Also, and=20 don't quote me
on this, the 20 has a few more functions than = the=20 2,
the 2 is basic, in the sense that it just records and=20
overdubs, the 20 I believe has reverse, and = loop
quantize, as=20 well as using one of the pedals for tap
tempo(not too sure = about that=20 yet).  I own the 2 and
if you need a very basic = loop pedal=20 for some simple
layering, that'll do it, but if you are using = it=20 for
composition, I'd go with the 20.
--- Joshua Rothhaas = <=20 joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aight, so a few=20 questions. I just saw a video of the
> rc-2 and it = looks
>=20 pretty amazing. I was curious what the rc-20xl have
> over = the=20 rc-2? how
> important is that second pedal? what else is a = big=20
> deal? I am just starting,
> and i am looking at = these two=20 to be my first
> machines.
>
> part 2: Also, = what all=20 do I need for a performance
> set up? (i only plan = to
> use=20 a mic) I have a macbook. I want to be able to
> play it = through=20 my macbook
> so i can record (is that possible?) my = sessions and=20
> also, if possible, run
> it through my macbook so = i can=20 have a few pre-loaded
> tracks play.
>
> is = this=20 possible? what will i need?
>
> --
>=20 = Huzza
>




________________________________________= ____________________________________________
Yahoo!=20 oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
that gives answers, not = web=20 links.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXI= C=20




--
Huzza



--=20
Matt H. Johnson
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D9E8.766F4F7C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:33:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123A13BF0D; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 760086539 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72048E4D6C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Macbook for Windows looping Thread-Index: AcfZ6pdQJrGkaANkRU6qQ8klj9aTDw== References: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2007 18:33:19.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[97B8E500:01C7D9EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:33:23 +0000 (UTC) >>When running the Parallels program which allows for simultaneous operation of both operating systems, it will be necessary to have 2 megs of RAM for EACH side.<< it'll work better if you have 2 gigs... :-) >>I've also heard it said several times that running Parallels has NOT been eficacious for audio on the Win side of the machine (and all consensus is to not dream of using Win VISTA to run music..............at least until their service pack 2 is available in a year or two...............remember how unstable Win XP was before service pack 2) but that it's better to run Boot Camp which is an either or solution to the operating system.<< I use parallels & a w2k/sp4 build. the "pc half" has half of the ram. it can access most external devices & read/write using the mac's optical drive. I've found that the audio performs better (this is with vegas, with maybe 20 stereo tracks & loads of plug-in effects) if I run the guest-OS in "coherence mode" so that it all appears on the mac desktop. I think that this is because the mac is now handling the graphics, rather than the "pc" trying to do everything. whatever, it works for me. the pc build in parallels benefits greatly (compared to my other pc experiences, where I've become used to rebuilding or re-imaging drives every three to six months because of registry/DLL/driver issues) from the abstraction of the hardware components. it's as if the pc is cocooned away from anything harmful. it works fine on the internet too, because the mac is acting as a sort of firewall for it. this is on an early (read: should be bust by now) macbook pro with 1.8GHz processors & 2 gigs of ram. & red polycarbonate bling-shells. as usual, ymmv. I've found what works for me, but I'm not doing live-looping, just tons of audio/video editing. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 18:43:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 476883BEE1; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:43:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) I've heard a bit about the Tech 21 units. I am very partial to the tone I get from the Blackface setting of the MicroCube. It's a very convincing Fender amp simulation in my opinion, at leas one my guitars, which are all geared toward a warm and beefy jazz tone. I'll have to find the SansAmp GT2 in a local store somewhere to test out. p.s. Andy, did your email automatically add "SUSPECTED SPAM" to the subject heading? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: >>>BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I have >>>been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp simulator or preamp >>>that really makes the guitar sound like it should before going into the >>>laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs >>>para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body >>>electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that is >>>the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a match made >>>in audio heaven, evolving together. >> >>Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at the DI/PreAmp part of >>the setup. >>I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but that's rather overkill) >>and getting some nice sounds just going straight to the pa. > > Kris, > > Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you might also try looking at > something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( > http://www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You don't even have to use it > for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have on hand for level > matching too. > > I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound you're describing -- > I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, which are kinda their > own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a pretty decent job of > amp emulation for a box the size of a cigarette pack. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... > later" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 20:16:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916603BEF8; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:16:44 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping In-reply-to: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A241@keel.sailpoint.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c7d9f9$0a26af60$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfZqpJ6ae7DYLzxQj+v+bdXGYg3vgANNSSwAAZHOCA= References: <010701c7d9aa$8da188f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A241@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Just a couple of updates to Jeff's comments. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping > > > I've run XP on a Macbook Pro and I agree with the consensus that it is > a fine machine for XP. I had two relatively minor problems. > > First, the built-in camera did not have drivers for XP so it could not > be used. It's been over 6 months so they may have fixed that by now. > Current Boot Camp fixes that > More significant for me, the PC has both a Delete and Backspace key, > the Mac has only a Delete key which performs the same function as PC's > Backspace key (still with me here?). > > There are some applications that need to use the PC-Delete key. The > are also a few XP operations that need Delete, one is the old > ctrl-alt-Delete key chord that in the old days did a reboot but which > now brings up the Lock/Shutdown/TaskManager dialog. Also, if you have > XP configured to login to a domain, whenever you boot or shut down the > computer you will go to a little welcome screen that requires you to > use ctrl-alt-Delete to login. > > This has supposedly been fixed in newer versions of Bootcamp by giving > you a Delete key by pressing Fn+Backspace but I haven't verified this. > If this hasn't been fixed by now, you can fix it with a "key > remapping" utility. Current Boot Camp fixes that. No remapping necessary for most functions. > > If you are not going to plug in a 3 button mouse you will find the > built-in trackpad useless in a hurry because you can't right click. > This can also be solved with key remapping but it's easier just to buy > a PC mouse. Yeah, Steve Jobs has some kinda religious thing about right-click buttons. You tap with 2 fingers to right-click in OSX. In Windows, with the Boot Camp version I have, tapping on the trackpad doesn't work - you have to click the button. To right click, click the trackpad button with 2 fingers on the pad (ok, a bit awkward). > > If you are used to a the layout of the PC keyboard, you may be annoyed > by the Function, Control, and Alt keys which are in different places > on the Mac keyboard. These too can be moved around with key > remapping. > > Here's a blog entry from last year that describes this in more detail: > > http://alanhogan.com/tips/boot-camp-delete-and-right-click > > > As he notes, some of the issues have been fixed in the newest > version of Bootcamp so you probably won't need to mess with > this unless you want to move your function keys. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 20:51:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D2E63BF0B; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UOyBAEeX+y97vgKqxacCdh4kCPctmpdonGYhZq4AGzRpf/uL1ld6QRhLlg6q+IWwQJAaHweAbbpuBf9Q55V59vX6LqAihVgskZe6Gmaf1GLD4ykqKSR2cKMtUdu1IbtGUT8/0mnF8aBlrKpB/WJBPzfIn37/2GuxQueqB9Gadk8=; X-YMail-OSG: lm.xYiMVM1lF3W17ItGglg4odFVIU3WqYSzVrmygtP4DbMzQ7jVihUDLgb78wvdWqYNIJijVZcdA1DWKqJm9UxtPt7YovuFLoZrOWweU0RrJtw4tyqK8B4poXi0J2A-- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: SF Bay Area "Live" Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <761051.19051.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2yZcZD.A.NnB.zyiuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopfolk, Jesse Engel here, I'm a guitarist, looper, and AbletonLiver (Although I'm currently using Mobius for my live looping). I play guitar looping music, with a rhythmic foundation in digital delay (Strong pulse, Polyrhythm, etc.). It makes for a nice bouncy orchestra of guitars which I then of course love to improvise over. I've been playing some of this stuff by myself for a while now, but I suffer from a classic case looper's loneliness. I'm looking for another musician to hook up with to experiment with syncing and combining our ideas of looped music. Ideally, I'm looking for a computer musician in the SF bay area, who is into using live, or a similar software looper for making electronic music, who would like to experiment with integrating that with live instrumentation(looping). Anyone interested? More relevant to everyone, anyone have experience/anecdotes about integrating the worlds of the analog and the electronic, and syncing and all that? My vision in the end is music that we could just as well play in a club, but that have an improvisational nature, constantly evolve, and have lots of ability for interaction through resampling, dynamics, mood, etc. All the best! Jesse ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 8 21:48:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317B03BEFB; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Lml4SSWhcgKlOFk9JO0iWS6Urx1T5i1af7goeMx84eFRQWRfy6Olz6Jc/3BqXEbB9sbf7oNBkJfa/M1bYVwE8hF139BlEmQncCQMKxwxwSZkcFpdnpbFpjkeDUASp9lzQryY5WgpBZFZr5lTeD5UOtVyigehl8Q5untuvcdSTc0=; X-YMail-OSG: s.c05hYVM1mKlIFsJghAd3osvgZLBiIvCrLlHH69exWmb5Rr9Owch_GGaVFs51mQIkHDSTyyvu8Ofblt95WcVX7OHgqJ6Q17vG1dCNIiqKQOBVGw7cxMzbS_DjUBeXllLj5lEB0z0KWl5ZY- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Yah, I've been very impressed with the MicroCube too, (Plus it can act as a monitor, and you can even stick it on your back if you wanted to!.... not that you'd want to.) As far as free VST's go, the SimulAnalog Guitar suite seems to satisfy some people, especially those who like the Marshall JCM 900. And its software, and its free... then you just need an interface with low enough latency to use your VST out as your monitor. Some people like guitarRig, but its a CPU hog, and frankly some of the tones just don't cut it for me. All the best, Jesse --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I've heard a bit about the Tech 21 units. I am very > partial to the tone I > get from the Blackface setting of the MicroCube. > It's a very convincing > Fender amp simulation in my opinion, at leas one my > guitars, which are all > geared toward a warm and beefy jazz tone. I'll have > to find the SansAmp GT2 > in a local store somewhere to test out. > > p.s. Andy, did your email automatically add > "SUSPECTED SPAM" to the subject > heading? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: > >>>BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some > of you know, I have > >>>been struggling to find a decent VST or software > amp simulator or preamp > >>>that really makes the guitar sound like it should > before going into the > >>>laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin > figured out (LR Baggs > >>>para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful > sound. It is the solid body > >>>electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and > dry direct sound that is > >>>the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic > seem to be a match made > >>>in audio heaven, evolving together. > >> > >>Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at > the DI/PreAmp part of > >>the setup. > >>I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but > that's rather overkill) > >>and getting some nice sounds just going straight > to the pa. > > > > Kris, > > > > Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you > might also try looking at > > something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( > > http://www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You > don't even have to use it > > for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have > on hand for level > > matching too. > > > > I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound > you're describing -- > > I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, > which are kinda their > > own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a > pretty decent job of > > amp emulation for a box the size of a cigarette > pack. > > > > --m. > > -- > > _____ > > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the > possibility of murder... > > later" > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 00:09:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0860F3BEE8; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t8I93OThIVcvODNerWiEPK4c57S83GhqJe5deQIMWFFTRNuQNoBAdpsUUQSe/QSJgqB4zBCagC3jgmrVobUBJD+GXM5hpdGf7dlQpDJGAdkThvX6MwacsrDp3NdfRuhI8nonUMEzoL0iW6QL9n2/ZrT6ANQ4B1iVwfCC693cC2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Wtfj+/T+zBeoX5WBr8x69wrt3cSXVFVMG1u1cy0BvBzznlmAnZSNXXvz4pFGDFOIfUeQbBF5wES597hOO5vQlmmLWwf+paBdrjRfQlsf8+pafo+sXTiyjbID/qLNIJQDpTq1PxDz7Y+v5N46NUr1DnqvPrhFBlstZGE3Wdl4dOw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:09:40 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question for Sooperlooper users re: Ableton Live In-Reply-To: <080820071718.5397.46B9FAE50003BAA4000015152212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <080820071718.5397.46B9FAE50003BAA4000015152212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71a1972be672b102 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:09:44 +0000 (UTC) On 8/8/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I would like to add some effects to the guitar signal going into SL. If I > place a delay on the Audio In (Guitar), it appears audio is not being routed > through the delay. The signal going into SL is dry. When I put apple's AUDelay (for instance) in the audio track that is feeding SL and I set monitor to In (the only way to get audio into SL) it is getting the wet signal for me. This is with Live 6. > Also, to utilize multiple loops, do I need multiple tracks and extended midi > assignments? Currently with the SL AU, you do need to have a separate track for each loop you add (via the session menu) and feed the output into the other input pairs (eg, 3/4 for the first, 5/6 for the second, and 7/8 for the third). Unfortunately, Live is hiding 1/2 which is the "main ins" if you were using the standalone JACK SL, which prevents you from getting audio into all of SL's loops. As for MIDI, you have a few options. You can bind additional events just as you did for the first loop, possibly using a different bank on your FCB for each loop. Alternatively, you can use the relatively new loop selection bindings (see the MIDI Bindings tab in SL's preferences, select_next_loop/select_prev_loop to change the selected loop, and bind each of your looping commands with the Loop# "Selected". > It seems to be a really cool setup. If I can just figure out the finer > points I would very happy. I tried posting on the Sooperlooper mailing list, > but all my emails come back as errors. Not sure what is happening there, it could have been a temporary glitch. Try it again sometime. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 02:53:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6A7A3BEF1; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 02:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G06f3R+LNgidZ1s2WLP/OBC2x8ROY2uzBqBI27+jzPfj9dsngbzJ6Mm3Pn2+cHYD4HG+G0XhliD6Kd+j96Zh1zSkIBrcl0Ml0V8DqNw0II59QmB4gdu1W4H59WKvX7XGA80NaABYV8/6scRglUGlU3JHdUfltS8KhB1+l45Miic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FLdaAkCJBsop4F6138mY93DqwWSzWwwmxrtNg0d0lQZ1yZfYnVTjZVjs6dkJ03HBjm29zWj3zDpPbiw5kLPLnKVknET5FMU4WZOPj7jluMt4+qXj4BUgSo4KR4tgHrDRCCMYqtJEd8xy8yXSmenZqmLDLZwSOo0vbQr21i1bOO4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:53:10 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube In-Reply-To: <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 02:53:12 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded this, but haven't tried it yet. http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/ On 8/8/07, J E wrote: > Yah, I've been very impressed with the MicroCube too, > (Plus it can act as a monitor, and you can even stick > it on your back if you wanted to!.... not that you'd > want to.) > > As far as free VST's go, the SimulAnalog Guitar suite > seems to satisfy some people, especially those who > like the Marshall JCM 900. And its software, and its > free... then you just need an interface with low > enough latency to use your VST out as your monitor. > > Some people like guitarRig, but its a CPU hog, and > frankly some of the tones just don't cut it for me. > > All the best, > Jesse > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I've heard a bit about the Tech 21 units. I am very > > partial to the tone I > > get from the Blackface setting of the MicroCube. > > It's a very convincing > > Fender amp simulation in my opinion, at leas one my > > guitars, which are all > > geared toward a warm and beefy jazz tone. I'll have > > to find the SansAmp GT2 > > in a local store somewhere to test out. > > > > p.s. Andy, did your email automatically add > > "SUSPECTED SPAM" to the subject > > heading? > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: > > >>>BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some > > of you know, I have > > >>>been struggling to find a decent VST or software > > amp simulator or preamp > > >>>that really makes the guitar sound like it should > > before going into the > > >>>laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin > > figured out (LR Baggs > > >>>para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful > > sound. It is the solid body > > >>>electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and > > dry direct sound that is > > >>>the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic > > seem to be a match made > > >>>in audio heaven, evolving together. > > >> > > >>Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at > > the DI/PreAmp part of > > >>the setup. > > >>I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but > > that's rather overkill) > > >>and getting some nice sounds just going straight > > to the pa. > > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you > > might also try looking at > > > something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( > > > http://www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You > > don't even have to use it > > > for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have > > on hand for level > > > matching too. > > > > > > I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound > > you're describing -- > > > I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, > > which are kinda their > > > own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a > > pretty decent job of > > > amp emulation for a box the size of a cigarette > > pack. > > > > > > --m. > > > -- > > > _____ > > > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the > > possibility of murder... > > > later" > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 03:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92E453BEF4; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 03:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:34:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 03:34:56 +0000 (UTC) That's the best am VST I've used yet. I've been using it in my system for over 2 years, admist 15 other VST amp sims that didn't make the cut. It's a great little VST amp, with a lot of options. Tonight I was doing A/B tests between that VST and my MicrCube, and I favored the MicroCube again. I don't know what the Roland guys did inside that thing, but it they did something right. Too bad they don't make a Roland MicroCube VST sim, or at least a foot pedal. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube >I downloaded this, but haven't tried it yet. > > http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/ > > > > > On 8/8/07, J E wrote: >> Yah, I've been very impressed with the MicroCube too, >> (Plus it can act as a monitor, and you can even stick >> it on your back if you wanted to!.... not that you'd >> want to.) >> >> As far as free VST's go, the SimulAnalog Guitar suite >> seems to satisfy some people, especially those who >> like the Marshall JCM 900. And its software, and its >> free... then you just need an interface with low >> enough latency to use your VST out as your monitor. >> >> Some people like guitarRig, but its a CPU hog, and >> frankly some of the tones just don't cut it for me. >> >> All the best, >> Jesse >> >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> > I've heard a bit about the Tech 21 units. I am very >> > partial to the tone I >> > get from the Blackface setting of the MicroCube. >> > It's a very convincing >> > Fender amp simulation in my opinion, at leas one my >> > guitars, which are all >> > geared toward a warm and beefy jazz tone. I'll have >> > to find the SansAmp GT2 >> > in a local store somewhere to test out. >> > >> > p.s. Andy, did your email automatically add >> > "SUSPECTED SPAM" to the subject >> > heading? >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > >> > > At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: >> > >>>BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some >> > of you know, I have >> > >>>been struggling to find a decent VST or software >> > amp simulator or preamp >> > >>>that really makes the guitar sound like it should >> > before going into the >> > >>>laptop. I have the acoustic guitar and mandolin >> > figured out (LR Baggs >> > >>>para acoustic DI pre-amp)...it's a beautiful >> > sound. It is the solid body >> > >>>electric guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and >> > dry direct sound that is >> > >>>the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic >> > seem to be a match made >> > >>>in audio heaven, evolving together. >> > >> >> > >>Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at >> > the DI/PreAmp part of >> > >>the setup. >> > >>I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but >> > that's rather overkill) >> > >>and getting some nice sounds just going straight >> > to the pa. >> > > >> > > Kris, >> > > >> > > Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you >> > might also try looking at >> > > something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( >> > > http://www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You >> > don't even have to use it >> > > for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have >> > on hand for level >> > > matching too. >> > > >> > > I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound >> > you're describing -- >> > > I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, >> > which are kinda their >> > > own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a >> > pretty decent job of >> > > amp emulation for a box the size of a cigarette >> > pack. >> > > >> > > --m. >> > > -- >> > > _____ >> > > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the >> > possibility of murder... >> > > later" >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Luggage? GPS? Comic books? >> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search >> http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz >> >> > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 04:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1663BEF7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:30:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube In-Reply-To: <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070809043029.81D2624780@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, have tried out izotope trash? I was looking for a nice tube amp sound and I liked it the best. It's not free but it is very tweekable. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 11:34 PM 8/8/2007, you wrote: >That's the best am VST I've used yet. I've been using it in my >system for over 2 years, admist 15 other VST amp sims that didn't >make the cut. It's a great little VST amp, with a lot of options. >Tonight I was doing A/B tests between that VST and my MicrCube, and >I favored the MicroCube again. I don't know what the Roland guys did >inside that thing, but it they did something right. Too bad they >don't make a Roland MicroCube VST sim, or at least a foot pedal. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 04:39:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2893BEE1; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46B8B3C8.1010907@tiscali.co.uk> <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:39:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 04:39:27 +0000 (UTC) what about the new Boss Fender Deluxe pedal, that thing is kind of bad ass... Teddy On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I've heard a bit about the Tech 21 units. I am very partial to the > tone I get from the Blackface setting of the MicroCube. It's a very > convincing Fender amp simulation in my opinion, at leas one my > guitars, which are all geared toward a warm and beefy jazz tone. > I'll have to find the SansAmp GT2 in a local store somewhere to > test out. > > p.s. Andy, did your email automatically add "SUSPECTED SPAM" to the > subject heading? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> At 7:02 PM +0100 8/7/07, andy butler wrote: >>>> BUT, I have recently tried an experiment. As some of you know, I >>>> have been struggling to find a decent VST or software amp >>>> simulator or preamp that really makes the guitar sound like it >>>> should before going into the laptop. I have the acoustic guitar >>>> and mandolin figured out (LR Baggs para acoustic DI pre- >>>> amp)...it's a beautiful sound. It is the solid body electric >>>> guitar with it's seemingly lifeless and dry direct sound that is >>>> the issue. The electric guitar and amp with mic seem to be a >>>> match made in audio heaven, evolving together. >>> >>> Just a suggestion, but maybe it's worth looking at the DI/PreAmp >>> part of the setup. >>> I'm using an old ADA MP1 ( or a TLA EQ1, but that's rather overkill) >>> and getting some nice sounds just going straight to the pa. >> >> Kris, >> >> Just to continue Andy's train of thought, you might also try >> looking at something like the Tech 21 SansAmp ParaDriver ( http:// >> www.tech21nyc.com/paradriver.html ). You don't even have to use >> it for its DI capabilities, but that's nice to have on hand for >> level matching too. >> >> I'm not sure if it will get you the exact sound you're describing >> -- I know you're partial to some of the Roland amps, which are >> kinda their own beasties -- but it does sound good, and does a >> pretty decent job of amp emulation for a box the size of a >> cigarette pack. >> >> --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 06:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129C83BECF; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 594393489-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.114.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAPZVukZPQXJt/2dsb2JhbACCIqhC Message-ID: <46BAB9DF.1080602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:53:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube References: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2IxCrC.A.ItD.dnruGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's the best am VST I've used yet. I've been using it in my system > for over 2 years, admist 15 other VST amp sims that didn't make the cut. > It's a great little VST amp, with a lot of options. Tonight I was doing > A/B tests between that VST and my MicrCube, and I favored the MicroCube > again. I don't know what the Roland guys did inside that thing, but it > they did something right. Too bad they don't make a Roland MicroCube > VST sim, or at least a foot pedal. > > Kris actually this is not the same plug-in. The one that has Krispen certification is the Voxengo Tube amp http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ andy > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland > MicroCube > > >> I downloaded this, but haven't tried it yet. >> >> http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/ >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 07:02:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16EB53BEFB; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c7da53$2d3e0b10$8e00a8c0@kultur6> From: "Atle Pakusch Gundersen" To: References: <761051.19051.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SF Bay Area "Live" Loopers Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:01:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Hello Jessy, Pakusch from Norway here. I have been listening in on this loopers list for a while. Much tech stuff here. That is OK and very useful for those concerned. But I have been waiting to see if also the more musical aspects will bee present. And there You are. I'm living in Norway wich is close to San Francisco only in an interplanetary sense, so I cant play a duet with You. But I may have a something for You here in words. ...... some thoughts about sync and non-sync. I play in a group called WintherStormer http://www.wintherstormer.no/ with two uge analog synth station, a very analog percussionist and myself on guitar devices. And we have come to be very clear on this: non-sync is more interesting. Let's say you set up an analog sequenser, wich is like a loop in a sense. Then I would place a loop on top of that totally non-sync and just let it dance with randomness. Often these loops are in category soft background. But we get staggering things going with hard rythmic things too. Like a boxing match. You never know when or where You get hit next. Jaggering rythms of punchy Noise. I also do solo things. In a similar fasion I would typically set up two or three different loops of some length ( 20sec) using my e-bow. Each loop would be non equal in length and non sync. Strong melodic lines in somewhat challenging tonalitys: try Schillingers 3 octave symmetric. The result is an ever changing tone web with similarities to Fartein Valen, Schoenberg or Mahler. Then I do things on top like vocoder guitar or different noise stuff like seawaves or birdsongs. Conclusion: Sync is fine, but non sync can be just as interesting. Pakusch ----- Original Message ----- From: "J E" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: SF Bay Area "Live" Loopers > Hey Loopfolk, > > Jesse Engel here, I'm a guitarist, looper, and > AbletonLiver (Although I'm currently using Mobius for > my live looping). > > I play guitar looping music, with a rhythmic > foundation in digital delay (Strong pulse, Polyrhythm, > etc.). It makes for a nice bouncy orchestra of guitars > which I then of course love to improvise over. > > I've been playing some of this stuff by myself for a > while now, but I suffer from a classic case looper's > loneliness. I'm looking for another musician to hook > up with to experiment with syncing and combining our > ideas of looped music. > > Ideally, I'm looking for a computer musician in the SF > bay area, who is into using live, or a similar > software looper for making electronic music, who would > like to experiment with integrating that with live > instrumentation(looping). > > Anyone interested? > More relevant to everyone, anyone have > experience/anecdotes about integrating the worlds of > the analog and the electronic, and syncing and all > that? > > My vision in the end is music that we could just as > well play in a club, but that have an improvisational > nature, constantly evolve, and have lots of ability > for interaction through resampling, dynamics, mood, > etc. > > > All the best! > Jesse > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 07.08.2007 > 16:06 > > -- Jeg bruker gratisversjonen av SPAMfighter for privatbrukere. 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Få tak i SPAMfighter gratis her: http://www.spamfighter.com/lno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 08:24:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF48C3BEE4; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:24:04 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070809082404.263610@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Lef8nUwzL/dryCFlNHydzJOMPAP7XuE8mQXmsGp mFDUaeqTD3gHPdCdw1/EN7HzssFJ6PQ/Y6Xw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: FvmPd4wObUk7cp8oyWknGR5sZ2hlN4pq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) thanks guys for all the hints. I guess I have to pick something out of this. I have to admit, though: I'm quite biased against ALL Behringer products (just prejudice...) and I had bad experience with DJ mixers. But I guess it all should work as a small setup. Rgds Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 08:37:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BCA03BF05; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:37:54 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070809083754.263580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Roland MicroCube (was battery-driven preamp] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190PRw3Kd90lcHbnFOFXwsJPZDT5GspyO6io2SWaX GC9fV4rn+93/RNqpVuFVNRjlmQhEt7NTnFUA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: BLbSC80HbHIhINsjwjU0Y0ciJihyahCh Resent-Message-ID: <4ZKCg.A.3SB.jJtuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen personally I'm quite happy with the MicroCube also and I also find the amp simulations quite handy. But I can't believe that the quality is good enough for recording - even better than a Mesa Boogie? I have to hear it myself to believe it. For Amp Simulation, I think I would prefer something like the Line6 POD. Have you taken a look at the M-Audio Black Box? http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioBlackBox-main.html If I'd be focused on guitar, I think that would be interesting for me. Anyway, interesting info on the MicroCube. I might give it a try running my mic thru it. Best regards Buzap PS: I shouldn't hang around these forums too much. Gearitis is infectious ;-) -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 08:42:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C58C3BEF7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:42:29 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070809084229.263580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+G7H43mJWGnETjFNOcFw8NqrDiHmS68zYk2c3zHk CJu6FRIRf82zqAgg26HFhXhn5WZvmSznw74Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: IpfwAb4Ba2AoJM0tzHUyzVo6OWhhakel Resent-Message-ID: <4YZYIC.A.mjB.2NtuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi MidiFriedChicken >The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch. I second that :-)) As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2. Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 10:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50C83BEE8; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:31:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46BAECE7.7070508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <0p5X1.A.D0H.5xuuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:29:13 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on EM pioneer Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blackdance" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, August 11 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:33:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154563BEE7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19d201c7da89$cce3e2d0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <198e01c7d9ec$04836e20$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <344900.91846.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <19c601c7da36$4107d530$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46BAB9DF.1080602@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland MicroCube Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:32:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6ku13D.A.C_B.MexuGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:33:01 +0000 (UTC) You have a memory like a bear trap, Andy. :) Yes and no. Yes, I started using the Voxengo, but switched to the boogex eventually because it had more options and tone variations. I just haven't updated my website gear page to reflect this. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> That's the best am VST I've used yet. I've been using it in my system for >> over 2 years, admist 15 other VST amp sims that didn't make the cut. It's >> a great little VST amp, with a lot of options. Tonight I was doing A/B >> tests between that VST and my MicrCube, and I favored the MicroCube >> again. I don't know what the Roland guys did inside that thing, but it >> they did something right. Too bad they don't make a Roland MicroCube VST >> sim, or at least a foot pedal. >> >> Kris > > actually this is not the same plug-in. > > The one that has Krispen certification is the Voxengo Tube amp > > http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ > > andy > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: battery-driven Mic PreAmp? - Roland >> MicroCube >> >> >>> I downloaded this, but haven't tried it yet. >>> >>> http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/ >>> >>> >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 13:41:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1962B3BEF6; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19fd01c7da8a$f6e78ae0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070806151546.172310@gmx.net> <168101c7d83e$6c3fc900$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807100017.206400@gmx.net> <180301c7d8fb$01979250$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070807143113.103300@gmx.net> <186801c7d90c$95499190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070809083754.263580@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Roland MicroCube (was battery-driven preamp] Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:41:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:41:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Krispen > > personally I'm quite happy with the MicroCube also and I also find the amp > simulations quite handy. > But I can't believe that the quality is good enough for recording - even > better than a Mesa Boogie? I have to hear it myself to believe it. Yes, of course "better" is a relative term here". It may not sound better to some people, but at least from my perspective, the MicroCube is perfectively acceptable to generate a nice clean guitar tone. When plugging into the recording out jack of the amp, I can't really tell any difference than the larger Roland cube amps, and there plenty of professionals using those amps. Also, you can't really judge the tone and recording capabiity of the amp by listening to it stand-alone...it's just a tiny speaker. For all practical purposes, for recording or live apps, you could just stick the amp in a back room behind the stage, mic it at a very low level, or just go out of the recording output. > For Amp Simulation, I think I would prefer something like the Line6 POD. I've used the PODs in the past. I used to have the POX Pro XT...not bad, but I wasn't impressed with the clean jazz amp tone. > Have you taken a look at the M-Audio Black Box? > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioBlackBox-main.html > If I'd be focused on guitar, I think that would be interesting for me. Looks interesting, but too much like a "do it all" box to me. Plus I'm avoiding USB. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 15:11:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589473BEF0; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008d01c7da97$836b6980$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070807220307.C1AA73BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <004901c7d982$1754ae70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <4cf76a0b0708072349w3517c1dfne9c24fd5fae6da55@mail.gmail.com> <007601c7d99e$d2355840$0201a8c0@eluk1> <44fdc2cbb42dbf91d30cc6f1c5ff39b4@charter.net> Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:11:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Aha, in the US it's a 2315us. :) > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > >> HP 2315EA > > Can you point me to this model on the web. Google search brings up > nothing. > > Rick Williamson > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 15:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ED403BEF9; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a3f01c7da9a$aee5e830$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <16ba01c7d847$a1cec9f0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of Sound" Looping Sound Clips Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:33:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1A3C_01C7DA68.62A54240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1A3C_01C7DA68.62A54240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More looping videos added to looping cyberspace!!! Below are the = videos on Google Video, from my last show with Lucio Menegon and Craig = Green. =20 The clip of me and Craig, and the #1 of me and Lucio, have audio from = the direct soundboard recording, with just a small amount of the video = camera audio mix integrated. Clips #2 and #3 of Lucio and me have audio = from his live recording, using his portable Eiderol recorder. Kris Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments of Sound Returns (August 3, 2007) VIDEO CLIPS Krispen Hartung & Craig Green - Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of Sound" = - Improv (2007)=20 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D8681542185938140720&hl=3Den Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of = Sound" - Improv #1 (2007)=20 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-4905219070498314738&hl=3Den Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of = Sound" - Improv #2 (2007)=20 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3596688917246104256&hl=3Den Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo at the Dojo "Experiments of = Sound" - Improv #3 (2007)=20 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-4965962684600823522&hl=3Den SOUND CLIPS Craig Green and Krispen Hartung http://www.box.net/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part I http://www.box.net/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part II http://www.box.net/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3=20 Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part III http://www.box.net/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_1A3C_01C7DA68.62A54240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More looping videos added to looping=20 cyberspace!!!   Below are the videos on Google Video, from my = last=20 show with Lucio Menegon and Craig Green. 
 
The clip of me and Craig, and the #1 of = me and=20 Lucio, have audio from the direct soundboard recording, with just a = small amount=20 of the video camera audio mix integrated. Clips #2 and #3 of Lucio and = me have=20 audio from his live recording, using his portable Eiderol = recorder.
 
Kris
 
 
 
Mojo @ the Dojo - Experiments = of Sound=20 Returns (August 3, 2007)

VIDEO=20 CLIPS

Krispen Hartung & Craig Green - Mojo at the = Dojo=20 "Experiments of Sound" - Improv (2007)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D8681542185938140720&a= mp;hl=3Den

Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo = at the Dojo=20 "Experiments of Sound" - Improv #1 (2007)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-4905219070498314738= &hl=3Den

Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo = at the Dojo=20 "Experiments of Sound" - Improv #2 (2007)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3596688917246104256&a= mp;hl=3Den

Krispen Hartung & Lucio Menegon - Mojo = at the Dojo=20 "Experiments of Sound" - Improv #3 (2007)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-4965962684600823522= &hl=3Den

SOUND CLIPS

Craig = Green and=20 Krispen Hartung
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/qk2c9lzmrj.mp3

Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part = I
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/4hbusvh7cd.mp3=20

Lucio Menegon and Krispen Hartung - Part II
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/c1oetbl0cy.mp3=20

Lucio Menegon and Krispen = Hartung - Part=20 III
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/zdf5hkctcc.mp3

Kris
------=_NextPart_000_1A3C_01C7DA68.62A54240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 17:26:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5943BEDF; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Vc92kH/NABK08ngrswKWd6LeqBl1GAkSUIYfvSMwC1TlKJdVygXfQQPWmh1k+RjNZ48o1Fbhwi+jzMJsfz0JAABMcfXjsHFZdU/UDLClAZVV7gjQqmHh5NqaXECfOY0vwIw6AH+Fo+SSjr1MQJryZf03RttrQRnHjL6WBrQ3y38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=t7/4E8eS+8m5a4tp8hRe8fnBpkzdFP/mJtxabgRF/PKciifEUmWTKulqxpqFawgZ51B0PAWDX0kT+n8/5nlT6tGPeEYcFjEXndugvJnAIM+yLpj6g/92+zrt/LkeW7LOVLENGisUjbyT81hXQq520OSznQPCOrY+fWwDzNjvlhc= Message-ID: <12ec33de0708091026q7daa5fd2o1a5693bcfc7c1f4a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:26:55 -0400 From: "Joshua Rothhaas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help In-Reply-To: <20070809084229.263580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50764_20312870.1186680415300" References: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070809084229.263580@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50764_20312870.1186680415300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Hi MidiFriedChicken > > >The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the > stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch. > > I second that :-)) > > As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2. > > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > -- Huzza ------=_Part_50764_20312870.1186680415300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon

On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi MidiFriedChicken

>The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch.

I second that :-))

As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2.

Buzap

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Huzza ------=_Part_50764_20312870.1186680415300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 17:47:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7CD93BEE7; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qV0nVqGiEcM2q1hJYsHhixSq/XSUH+bJ213sQ6cAuHV6h0PD1f+b6e8/RkMroHkFruAjPCSmXqLJV4F5nwOjvwSfkrAdmNydy6YnlxYP/9EcXJmEZnuTnBFyUB8L4GmkZ4GxncvRhck1wokGOp3dDgfl4V2pd6uyXbQ1PFLvxqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aut1EuotsxxVIl9Oxi2R5A9rXoMokykOvbnXK1kF2DaBuZQPp98c6Ibv8HgaSuLOlWni7RScz1XfYLzpRejCS0VkHiolldaV8/z86i3Qy1rMjQQCHoZfDCv1FKiGu6bsk298AhmqyDYBgsEVekTHaSFibFGea8ndFlueZr2tR6A= Message-ID: <15d0840708091047m3c7f3132oc24e2fc05963922c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:47:42 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help In-Reply-To: <12ec33de0708091026q7daa5fd2o1a5693bcfc7c1f4a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57154_15633498.1186681662209" References: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070809084229.263580@gmx.net> <12ec33de0708091026q7daa5fd2o1a5693bcfc7c1f4a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:47:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57154_15633498.1186681662209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Josh, You said you're a beatboxer, right? check out this video on Youtube of the french beatboxing champ using it to create a beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsVNuJlmB4 consequently, what an awesome thing to be able to tell people Girl at bar: "So, what do you do"? French Beat Boxing Champ acting disinterested and drinking lager: "Im the French Beat Boxing Champ" Girl at bar: *Swoon* On 8/9/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly > more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 > months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic > and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon > > On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > Hi MidiFriedChicken > > > > >The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the > > stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch. > > > > I second that :-)) > > > > As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2. > > > > Buzap > > > > -- > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > > > > -- > Huzza -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_57154_15633498.1186681662209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey Josh,
 
     You said you're a beatboxer, right? check out this video on Youtube of the french beatboxing champ using it to create a beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsVNuJlmB4
 
consequently, what an awesome thing to be able to tell people
 
Girl at bar: "So, what do you do"?
French Beat Boxing Champ acting disinterested and drinking lager: "Im the French Beat Boxing Champ"
Girl at bar: *Swoon*

 
On 8/9/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:
i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon


On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi MidiFriedChicken

>The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch.

I second that :-))

As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2.

Buzap

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Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser




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Huzza



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Johnson ------=_Part_57154_15633498.1186681662209-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 18:17:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B59F3BF06; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=NaPopgXh1QwQyrqMv003e48MC74lTa0T2rWFWFUjzDToNmhwLNFhi2cg6gyQh8l8ejuIBgwWIjX5ZPE2cz6L/8ox3oarxmTv6l+jYJnFqTZ2yPvIsCXguElRPsjtFmih00j9Ldan6n793TmMdkYWxEP9sdxZo2uDpYrPU8dOcTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HY/49ypfxL58CVc43RA1M84nkqy7wb+Ny9RGR/yWcpRUwuLaY7M0LnhM3sfO/ZucGjNXgR79zDwvmfl8UuCMr+xzJJo/GyJ4HP40YLBoizcgVDzY9fkmkTkz20cVczfToSQ4IWMdRwSv1TJUYLTb4xx5YTlUhBDJRVs7U0Vh3Wg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:17:25 -0400 From: "Richard Mechling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline holy crap that is so cool. that is what i want to do. But actually less hip-hop-ish. Man oh man, i cant wait to get a loop machine On 8/9/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > Hey Josh, > > You said you're a beatboxer, right? check out this video on Youtube > of the french beatboxing champ using it to create a beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsVNuJlmB4 > > > consequently, what an awesome thing to be able to tell people > > Girl at bar: "So, what do you do"? > French Beat Boxing Champ acting disinterested and drinking lager: "Im the > French Beat Boxing Champ" > Girl at bar: *Swoon* > > > On 8/9/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > > i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly > > more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 > > months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic > > and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon > > > > On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > > > Hi MidiFriedChicken > > > > > > >The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, > > > the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch. > > > > > > I second that :-)) > > > > > > As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2. > > > > > > Buzap > > > > > > -- > > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Huzza > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- Huzza ------=_Part_51764_25755430.1186684079239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline holy crap that is so cool. that is what i want to do. But actually less hip-hop-ish. Man oh man, i cant wait to get a loop machine

On 8/9/07, Matthew Johnson <matthjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
 
     You said you're a beatboxer, right? check out this video on Youtube of the french beatboxing champ using it to create a beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsVNuJlmB4
 
consequently, what an awesome thing to be able to tell people
 
Girl at bar: "So, what do you do"?
French Beat Boxing Champ acting disinterested and drinking lager: "Im the French Beat Boxing Champ"
Girl at bar: *Swoon*

 
On 8/9/07, Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com > wrote:
i think i am settaling on an rc-20xl. it looks like it will do slightly more than i need to give me room to grow and i wont have buyers regret in 6 months or something. I am pretty excited, i just have to figure out the mic and a cheep amp, and I will be making music soon


On 8/9/07, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi MidiFriedChicken

>The RC50 gets no respect around here. But once you really learn it, the stability, ease of use and rugged build are worth the extra scratch.

I second that :-))

As a true beginner to looping, I might also start off with an RC-2.

Buzap

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Huzza



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UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_1A7C_01C7DA81.081AF810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 19:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C763BEE8; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Cc: Subject: RE: SF Bay Area "Live" Loopers Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:21:57 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c7daba$96651e50$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <761051.19051.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcfaBQjCqtwlWbXMRTa98cK833HHbgAtTkcg Resent-Message-ID: <_hajJC.A.x-B.wl2uGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:22:24 +0000 (UTC) I too suffer from the Lonesome Looper Syndrome. Send an email to me and perhaps we can jam. I'm in Emeryville and I have a small studio we = could play in, but I'm pretty mobile these days. Mark -----Original Message----- From: J E [mailto:jengel_6@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Bay Area "Live" Loopers Hey Loopfolk, Jesse Engel here, I'm a guitarist, looper, and AbletonLiver (Although I'm currently using Mobius for my live looping).=20 I play guitar looping music, with a rhythmic foundation in digital delay (Strong pulse, Polyrhythm, etc.). It makes for a nice bouncy orchestra of guitars which I then of course love to improvise over.=20 I've been playing some of this stuff by myself for a while now, but I suffer from a classic case looper's loneliness. I'm looking for another musician to hook up with to experiment with syncing and combining our ideas of looped music.=20 Ideally, I'm looking for a computer musician in the SF bay area, who is into using live, or a similar software looper for making electronic music, who would like to experiment with integrating that with live instrumentation(looping).=20 Anyone interested? More relevant to everyone, anyone have experience/anecdotes about integrating the worlds of the analog and the electronic, and syncing and all that? My vision in the end is music that we could just as well play in a club, but that have an improvisational nature, constantly evolve, and have lots of ability for interaction through resampling, dynamics, mood, etc.=20 All the best! Jesse =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Got a little couch potato?=20 Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dsummer+activities+for= +kids&c s=3Dbz=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 21:52:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43CA63BEF6; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Josh Carroll Subject: over and out Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <4oGg2D.A.o2G.Ry4uGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm cutting out of this list, at least temporarily. Other interests demand my attention, and I need to stay focused. Thanks to all of you for your help and support! You are all more than welcome to contact me off list. --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 9 23:03:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CCF23BEF4; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:03:52 EDT Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1186700632" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:03:57 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1186700632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1186700632 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   Can any= one=20 tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the Fest occur near th= e=20 beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close to the action as=20 possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)=20 989-2908



Get a snea= k peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------------------------1186700632-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 02:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E3C3BEF4; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1b2801c7daf3$22f729c0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:06:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1B25_01C7DAC0.D780B1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6UizBC.A.J7G.Fh8uGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:07:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1B25_01C7DAC0.D780B1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be fine. = I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last year I = stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I stayed = at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell = me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the = beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as = possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_1B25_01C7DAC0.D780B1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be=20 fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The year = before last=20 year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The year = before that I=20 stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, = however.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 = 5:03=20 PM
Subject: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   = Can=20 anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the Fest = occur=20 near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close to = the=20 action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - = 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)=20 989-2908



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------=_NextPart_000_1B25_01C7DAC0.D780B1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 02:39:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0AF3BEE4; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:39:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7DABD.0C4FF7F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1b2801c7daf3$22f729c0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfa9DPXqXVMfhZ2Qe6XTGeYEyLdegAA3QmA Message-Id: <200708091947515.SM08148@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd1b5026f000047c5.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:39:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7DABD.0C4FF7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what are the dates of the festival ? is there a website up with info ? -Qua _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: HarryEsq@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com . ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7DABD.0C4FF7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what are = the dates of the=20 festival ?  is there a website up with info ?
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LoopFest = Santa=20 Cruz

I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be=20 fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The year = before last=20 year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The year = before that I=20 stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, = however.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 = 5:03=20 PM
Subject: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   = Can=20 anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the Fest = occur=20 near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close to = the=20 action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry Weinberg,=20 Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th = Floor
New=20 York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908



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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7DABD.0C4FF7F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8ED3BEC5; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1be301c7db4f$cb18fbe0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708091947515.SM08148@quahome> Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:10:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1BE0_01C7DB1D.7F938FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:10:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1BE0_01C7DB1D.7F938FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will have a URL to share with you all by end of today. I'm just = waiting for a quick review from Rick (it is 7am here, so I'm sure he's = still in bed dreaming of futuristic looping devices, tiny video gadgets, = etc) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz what are the dates of the festival ? is there a website up with info = ? -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be = fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last = year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I = stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone = tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the = beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as = possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_1BE0_01C7DB1D.7F938FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will have a URL to share with you all by end of today. I'm just = waiting=20 for a quick review from Rick (it is 7am here, so I'm sure he's still in = bed=20 dreaming of futuristic looping devices, tiny video gadgets, etc)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Qua Veda =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 = 8:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

what are = the dates of=20 the festival ?  is there a website up with info ?
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz

I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would = be=20 fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The year = before=20 last year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The = year before=20 that I stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel,=20 however.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, = 2007 5:03=20 PM
Subject: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   = Can=20 anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the = Fest occur=20 near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close = to the=20 action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry Weinberg,=20 Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th = Floor
New=20 York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908



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------=_NextPart_000_1BE0_01C7DB1D.7F938FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 13:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C958A3BF01; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:48:38 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c7db55$27b5d6c0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfbVScfpDQ9xQBqQZaQnA0hrHXo1g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:48:44 +0000 (UTC) somebody from the local music shop here in Cologne told me today that the current Bootcamp version (which seems to still be a beta version) on the Macbook is not completely stable, they ran into problems occasionally when running Windows, and that it might be better to wait for the next OSX version which is expected in fall, with a completely integrated Bootcamp. Ok so I think I'll wait a couple months, no hurry. For my upcoming gig, I'm surprised at how stable my trusty old Win notebook is, I've settled for Audiomulch with lots of fileplayers, a simple looping vst plugin, and a number of samples in Kontakt - it all runs fine. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 14:57:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D7A03BEF9; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Macbook for Windows looping Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:57:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001101c7db55$27b5d6c0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfbVScfpDQ9xQBqQZaQnA0hrHXo1gACPQzQ Message-Id: <200708100804609.SM08368@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7e8d024c0000085d.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:57:23 +0000 (UTC) BTW, Intel will likely have quad core processors for laptops in 2008. So if you are not in the market for a laptop for awhile, don't worry, the h/w will keep getting better, and price/performance value will continue to improve over time. It will be interesting to see what other features will become available, such as multiple hard drives, better i/o, etc -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:49 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Macbook for Windows looping somebody from the local music shop here in Cologne told me today that the current Bootcamp version (which seems to still be a beta version) on the Macbook is not completely stable, they ran into problems occasionally when running Windows, and that it might be better to wait for the next OSX version which is expected in fall, with a completely integrated Bootcamp. Ok so I think I'll wait a couple months, no hurry. For my upcoming gig, I'm surprised at how stable my trusty old Win notebook is, I've settled for Audiomulch with lots of fileplayers, a simple looping vst plugin, and a number of samples in Kontakt - it all runs fine. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A0C3BEF9; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:15:12 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <15d0840708091047m3c7f3132oc24e2fc05963922c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070810151512.168530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <080720071548.19530.46B8946B000BACBE00004C4A2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070809084229.263580@gmx.net> <12ec33de0708091026q7daa5fd2o1a5693bcfc7c1f4a@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708091047m3c7f3132oc24e2fc05963922c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18HGhs531wHFjzCibjvcmm7SgD6R9H9ipy4UKTylR ekHC3lWli5y/xK3BKJXKI9JKP8WTJdiiMoRw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: b/TVdZgPeWUkQdt9km5noJsjL0tsZs1t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:15:15 +0000 (UTC) I also love beatboxing. Usually, it is the basis for songs I play on the RC-50. I used to play keyboard drums for looping. Meanwhile, I've pretty much replaced all of it with beatboxing. (I still add some additional real percussion occasionally). Also for the bass line, my voice is getting more&more an alternative to synth bassline (good EQ setting, mic position, punchy pronounciation do the trick). Though you can probably never get the pressure you have on a real e-bass or synth. What really scares me, though, is that there are some guys out there who just take a mic without looper & effects and beatbox like hell... Have fun you guys, Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 15:35:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C436E3BF0E; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c7db64$0e84df70$2b8e9e50$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfbZAzHjz9YzQ0XTgC6ZcAMYawHZQ== Content-language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:35:11 +0000 (UTC) There seem to be several major software packages out there that do similar things. I am particularly curious about Sonar and Ableton Live. If I understand things correctly, both of these programs can handle various aspects of music production: Recording, equalization, mixing, etc., but Ableton's focus is on live performance, and in particular it can do looping in real time in ways that Sonar cannot. Is my understanding correct Is Sonar useful for looping at all? Any other words of wisdom? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 17:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A459B3BF05; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: New to this and need set up help Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c7db75$58f1b2c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070810151512.168530@gmx.net> Thread-Index: AcfbYU8sqTw1Bq8FQEWU5UXRIwmvMgAEw3yw Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) If you're in the SF Bay area I suggest checking out Vowel Movement. http://eachbox.com.istemp.com/vm_website/vm_homepage.htm LD's Kid Beyond is a regular there (though he's a laptop looper with = Ableton Live) but there are many amazing artists that perform each month. I met = Tim Barsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFujgZyCn31k) and his band there = and ended up having them as our wedding band (it turned out that my wife to = be was a huge Barsky fan from his amazing show The Bright River) -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net]=20 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to this and need set up help I also love beatboxing. Usually, it is the basis for songs I play on the RC-50. I used to play keyboard drums for looping. Meanwhile, I've pretty much replaced all of it with beatboxing. (I still add some additional real percussion occasionally). Also for the bass line, my voice is getting more&more an alternative to synth bassline (good EQ setting, mic position, punchy pronounciation do = the trick). Though you can probably never get the pressure you have on a = real e-bass or synth. What really scares me, though, is that there are some guys out there who just take a mic without looper & effects and beatbox like hell... Have fun you guys, Buzap --=20 Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!=20 Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Service@WellsFargo.com Fri Aug 10 18:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 668 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:26:54 UTC Received: from nlpi042.prodigy.net (nlpi042.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.71]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B93BEFC; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fp4dc.forrestperkins.local (66-10-111-2.ded.swbell.net [66.10.111.2]) by nlpi042.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7AIDRjU030150; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:13:28 -0500 Received: from User ([24.11.233.236]) by fp4dc.forrestperkins.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:10:41 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Service@WellsFargo.com" Subject: Wells Fargo Online Banking and Bill Pay Services Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:11:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2007 18:10:41.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3088630:01C7DB79] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Wells Fargo Letter



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 19:17:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9383BF0D; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: field recording: summer thunder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0ZPfJC.A.CeG.tmLvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Oppressive heat and humidity here. I recorded this short cloudburst at dusk last night. Tunder, short rain. Nice distant sirens, jetliner, lots of insects. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/summer_thunder.mp3 (archived on http://www.subscapeannex.com/sounds.html ) 52min, 40MB mp3. As usual recorded with an M-Audio 24/96 at 24-bit WAV, converted to 192kbps mp3 using iTunes on OS X. Use as you like, let me know if you do. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 19:58:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483913BF0A; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:00:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #541 for August 9, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46BCC3F2.5010606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <3NrraC.A.bL.BOMvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:58:57 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070809.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #541 August 9, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Blackdance" on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Ricochet Tuscan Sunset Eidition #16 (Groove) Gathering] Fulton-Reaves The Space Between The Range (Hypnos/Binary) Fulton-Reaves The Walk The Range (Hypnos/Binary) Brian Eno Lanzarote The Shutov Assembly (Hannibal) Michael Sandler Moonrise Impending Lunar Ascent (Earth Mantra) Klaus Schulze Ways of Changes Blackdance (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Some Velvet Phasing Blackdance (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Voices of Syn Blackdance (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Foreplay Blackdance (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Synthies Have (no) Blackdance (Revisited) Balls? * 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Kontinuum" on Synthetic Symphony Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 20:49:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C953BF10; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT: technology of rack PCs with 2HU Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:49:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c7db8f$f3eb7850$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfbj/Of1goz16aIS2SE4dwR4aFDyg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJb4aNIJGk= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone, as some people here have been talking about rack computers, here's a thing that's baffling me: I was thinking about building a 2HU rack computer. Because the expansion cards don't fit into 2HU, you need to take care of that: I was told you use a "riser card", which is something you put into a PCI slot and which then has three (or so) PCI slots "around the edge". Now my question: How would that work with PCIexpress? As that is a point2point connection... Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 10 21:10:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33863BF10; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: technology of rack PCs with 2HU Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:10:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c7db92$de306450$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acfbj/Of1goz16aIS2SE4dwR4aFDygAAtXUg In-Reply-To: <000501c7db8f$f3eb7850$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Not sure but Apple does it in a 1HU rack: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?= mco =3D6C04E07A&nclm=3DXserve -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: technology of rack PCs with 2HU Hey everyone, as some people here have been talking about rack computers, here's a = thing that's baffling me: I was thinking about building a 2HU rack computer. Because the expansion cards don't fit into 2HU, you need to take care of that: I was told you = use a "riser card", which is something you put into a PCI slot and which = then has three (or so) PCI slots "around the edge". Now my question: How would that work with PCIexpress? As that is a point2point connection... Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 03:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0AA3BEFA; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1c5b01c7dbc5$ac5a7c80$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708091947515.SM08148@quahome> Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:14:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1C58_01C7DB93.60D1B4E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1C58_01C7DB93.60D1B4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Here is just the starter page to get the word out. www.y2kloopfest.com There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working on all = of this. He has the master plan. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz what are the dates of the festival ? is there a website up with info = ? -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be = fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last = year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I = stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone = tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the = beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as = possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_1C58_01C7DB93.60D1B4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
Here is just the starter page to get the word out.
 
 
There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working on = all of=20 this. He has the master plan.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Qua Veda =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 = 8:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

what are = the dates of=20 the festival ?  is there a website up with info ?
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz

I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would = be=20 fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The year = before=20 last year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The = year before=20 that I stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel,=20 however.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 09, = 2007 5:03=20 PM
Subject: LoopFest Santa = Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   = Can=20 anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the = Fest occur=20 near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close = to the=20 action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry Weinberg,=20 Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th = Floor
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------=_NextPart_000_1C58_01C7DB93.60D1B4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 06:10:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7673BEF6; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Kln0VK0ay9idYVSP+Zxs1Y98AMrnEHGFukmggrhqF9RqoKxHJHrhr+UvqBQOepMH+0fDvflkDQ4ItduwtstOqrLaxNRRC96Fbe8hYgoZGzX4DMko7g1UezQc4bVGNA/Dnnw2k0UmpP4RTiR1Wlq0nPze+qBNdHnpWjRpxeN2jWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bAllxxS2WgdoM98pRlIWVgXUiLOLc5tiwwpnz+5laJ6c8v+FnPwGNLBDoxZnc9C72tgUVA3N9eDcAtzl4U20bTRAlceQ/y8YvxHCeqEB3k7aJF6e6hyBmJ8l+tkMeEb5/manUIWFrBcjzKKvtClrfVtOJ7YxtCA1DICsAcY6xYI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:10:17 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Live looping in Portland, Oregon Saturday 8/11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9HUDVB.A.ABC.KLVvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:10:19 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing at the Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division Street, Portland OR) on Saturday, August 11th between 8 and 10PM: http://redandblackcafe.com/?view=events It'll be a couple of hours of acoustic guitar instrumental live looping (now there's a marketing description that falls smoothly off the tongue...). There is no cover. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 08:14:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D27B3BF0E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:15:39 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46BD702B.3000201@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:14:41 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, August 11 at 6:00 am edt / GMT-4. That's less than two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 10:07:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43B73BF0B; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RTTBBi53p4g+Vt7iWzkc3hrmRXvmJ83QsuvoEWaIvexNaoXA+Rt/oWEUtYSggy/9bT4V9eOe6bJg9OtvePelb3BWeL0ttkpSnyfqhUSNWOAXUItYLkT2kQWKsFBpMQAS5JQN5k2cRac4xqLJAm/kfcYKricT15ZIDtYS2gr5kY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EojewvRZM1KTSVKxSN0Thx/B8DxpOICZyHezJHY5dLAIm0duDmgsITQp/itAfioLAFo4VB7nqigcc5VazQCrvlKJg2cfiE2g57JBoNsPA2jD1BbPhUWoML0AJY3vGCDvL5XiBQSb/T8mmeSrKDO+S2Zj3d9X7MOAsv/70AiO94s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:07:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:07:35 +0000 (UTC) For anyone who might be interested I'm sharing yesterdays solo improvisation with flute and Mobius laptop looper: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Gilese581C.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 10:39:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A373BF0C; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 592409465-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.5.176 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KALktvUZPQQWw/2dsb2JhbACCI6Zg Message-ID: <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:40:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Excellent :-) thank you andy butler Per Boysen wrote: > For anyone who might be interested I'm sharing yesterdays solo > improvisation with flute and Mobius laptop looper: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Gilese581C.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 11:05:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F2203BEF9; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PUuj3hO3afrYOqsgSpEWwy/2Y0NFcG6a6eEtXvadsKdOuvYF6Xo4uq0GGkhAO3CQ9DvmDqI/Eu7oMbd4x7DSV3W9Znr1MzeHGGmoVIWExEVO7gPVxW+pt2ArZljzSBrNGx0HRA7fdZ6S13uCstGaCKLz+MNh8z2vv5Mm3uNErMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dl0Er/OnQ/E39ckjD/9SgzVBmgHQGxDx8YUhetp1VCEySwVq3/XjGfAt7yuZkWLCEnMsy6rXfq31H/HkhhLBWq8BX+BwAlRbYswxK9XTRNnz7ztzRs3ZbKo0rCrHteD0GS/B0mJRyvDMQfd3wJf7DefRge+gaBGgRTCd0EczasQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <139420E2-7670-4CED-BC89-B03981C836E8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:05:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:05:58 +0000 (UTC) A long standing frustration of mine is that I'm finding it so difficult to do ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping. Has anyone else been thinking along the same lines? Maybe someone has ideas on how to get away with it? I was listening to pianist Rob Costlow and experiencing how powerful instant tempo changing really is. http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/costlow-woods/ One technique I use today is to loop a phrase and change the playback rate so it will play in a different pitch and by a different loop length. If you combine that with other simultaneously sounding phrases that stay on the beat you get close to the feel of rit 'n acc. But it's not the same thing. Maybe if using a Repeater (that does instant time-stretching to keep pitch the same over tempo changes) and "play" a continuous tempo controller along with instrument and loopers? Any ideas on that? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 14:08:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FF8F3BEF8; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:08:30 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Subject: Laptop-based looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Andrew, Sonar is useful for creating loops in post-production, but not really for real-time improvisation. It's a powerful recording and midi sequencing environment, though. Sonar's architecture will not properly support hosting Mobius as a VST plug-in. Bottom line is that you can't record the Mobius output. REAPER serves as the VST host in my environment, as well as recording all the audio tracks (audio and midi inputs as well as looped output). Ableton will allow you to host Mobius for probably the most advanced looping applications - with a price tag of about $500 US. My friends describe Ableton Live! as being a tool that fully supports their creative process both as a composing and recording environment. Even without a foot controller, if you have a Windows PC with a modest amount of RAM and midi and audio interfaces, you can download REAPER and Mobius and start looping and recording your loopage today for free. REAPER is shareware, so you send the developer a license fee if you decide to use it after 30 days. Jeff Larsen (the developer of Mobius) is a contributor to this group as you may already know, and both products have active user communities. I just re-programmed FCB1010 midi footpedal configuration in about 5 minutes using the Mobius 'midi-learn' feature - fantastic! Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > Laptop-based looping > From: > "Andrew Koenig" > Date: > Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:35:16 -0400 > > Is my understanding correct Is Sonar useful for looping at all? Any other > words of wisdom? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 14:32:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD05F3BF0E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Subscape Annex and the Subliminator, Chapel Hill NC, 15 August (Wednesday) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5-4wZ.A.JbD.BicvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:32:33 +0000 (UTC) This Wednesday 15 August, Subscape Annex (Raleigh NC) performs with The Subliminator (Atlanta GA) at The Cave (Chapel Hill NC). It's a late show for the Cave, meaning starting between 9:30pm and 10pm. I'll be playing a looped and processed drone set using Chapman Stick and other sound sources. Venue: http://caverntavern.com/ The Subliminator: http://myspace.com/thesubliminator thanks, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 14:47:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC4F3BEE7; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> Subject: RE: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:47:55 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfcISedGY8yb0u7S4CBb6LY9OrZuwABP3Cg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:47:47 +0000 (UTC) > Sonar is useful for creating loops in post-production, but not really > for real-time improvisation. It's a powerful recording and midi > sequencing environment, though. So if I want to record a CD that contains a mixture of note-by-note composition and improvisation, I would use Finale to create MIDI files that I would then sequence in Sonar and use Sonar to combine it with audio tracks and mix down the final CD, yes? > Sonar's architecture will not properly support hosting Mobius as a VST > plug-in. Bottom line is that you can't record the Mobius output. > REAPER serves as the VST host in my environment, as well as recording > all the audio tracks (audio and midi inputs as well as looped output). > Ableton will allow you to host Mobius for probably the most advanced > looping applications - with a price tag of about $500 US. My friends > describe Ableton Live! as being a tool that fully supports their > creative process both as a composing and recording environment. Interesting. So what you're saying is that what I really want is to learn how to use Mobius, use it as a VST plugin to Live, and control the whole thing with a foot controller for live performance, presumably so I can keep my hands free. > I just re-programmed FCB1010 midi footpedal configuration in about 5 > minutes using the Mobius 'midi-learn' feature - fantastic! Do you have opinions about specific foot pedals? I play a Yamaha WX-5, so if I were to use a Yamaha MFC10 pedal, it would double as a power supply for the WX-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 15:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F61B3BF08; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <008c01c7dc2d$cf60b8d0$6e222a70$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01C7DC0C.484F18D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfa2ZGqV4Obkc3FTvaKtxJTpDmTewBU8S3g Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <1JpyUD.A.A1F.pgdvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:39:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C7DC0C.484F18D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've stayed few times at the Dream Inn, which was quite pleasant. It has been a while, so things may have changed, but it's probably worth checking out. The hotel is the only one in Santa Cruz that is right on the beach. They changed the rules after it was built, but it's grandfathered. I believe it has since changed its name to the West Coast Santa Cruz Hotel. I would expect it to be expensive because of its location. From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. 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I’ve stayed few times at the Dream Inn, which was = quite pleasant.  It has been a while, so things may have changed, but = it’s probably worth checking out.  The hotel is the only one in Santa Cruz that = is right on the beach.  They changed the rules after it was built, but = it’s grandfathered.  I believe it has since changed its name to the West Coast Santa Cruz = Hotel.  I would expect it to be expensive because of its = location.

 

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Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in = October.   Can anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the = Fest occur near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close to = the action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your = help.

 

Harry

 

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------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C7DC0C.484F18D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:10:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1C73BF0A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c7dc32$1ba481f0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:10:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18iwDO/Iosg7Kb5rSH+sRNrJkY5bjmrP1B44XD sX65lE2zwFJS7rZoN7UbGnjdLuxlugAMJKHj2OVORo1JH9UrSN jXSLJ9hL3aOraYtN5GA9KVWNpb5VRla Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:10:10 +0000 (UTC) very interesting!!! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) > For anyone who might be interested I'm sharing yesterdays solo > improvisation with flute and Mobius laptop looper: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Gilese581C.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 811423BF0E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jpRe4fpkkrhImcg4dD+nBL0UglcnIOQamAe3jNpzDiQVowFHJ2zprFW1LiKM7Y/jV5REZmB5uBkHwo0JX54VK2xzSFE3Zkm6fG+12RV/xqptPYEYIqpIvikYvSNDCgSO3br8T2mkKUgPcH+f8WhuzoSASMmbo6EsckEcR2j53yM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p/i9lnaueqaE38LXsFIavNKfbm8ro3H24vjfoulszy34+sg4B48KyCjsbcMgQ8Zn9/WO7pr/Hmi3t7rK65HwuQeyGfMbYuEY0XxcQZ6BlmvD2z7wOHwR3Okgq7j2spyZNTyCYfymoqMxl1qaTzmVSLuqkaUfoofyFOVGXI8M/oI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:23:28 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping In-Reply-To: <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:23:30 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses it, and says it's OK. As far as I've been able to tell, footpedal-wise you have these choices (of pedals currently made) for Mobius in particular (some gear is not so flexible in MIDI assignments as Mobius and Live; if, for instance, you want to control an EDP most of these won't work). I have all this at hand because it's the problem I'm trying to solve, too. So I hope more people answer your question. What I present here is mostly gleaned from Internet research, so YMMV. Behringer FBC1010. Probably the best available, cheap, and made by an otherwise cruddy company. It's depressing. I have one here, and am trying to decide whether to keep it. Downsides: large, and just the overall legacy of Behringer. Supposedly the "action" on the pedals is a little sloppy, as compared to the: Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to 4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one. Ground Control Pro, All Access, CAE: these all seem very similar to one another. Much higher build quality than Behringer, but make a decided click which is a problem if there's a mic anywhere in your looping rig: *click* music *click* music... Expensive. For myself, I have to decide if I am ever going to want to loop acoustically or vocally. High end pedals -- I forget the brand names, but if you need them I'll find them. No experience whatsoever with these. These often come in at nearly 1K. Low end pedals -- eight or ten button control change only pedals sometimes with a continuous pedal tucked on the end (e.g., Rolls). These might work with Live and Mobius because you can use pretty much any MIDI message to do anything. Several companies make these, and used ones are nearly free. Some of them would probably be OK. Others might not be precise enough -- I have no idea. I have an ART here somewhere I should probably power up and test. Also: Roland has a couple of pedals, with a new one coming out. And the Yamaha... -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:40:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5823BF0F; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eB56gI32eKCU1ZcpaF2gPh8HgeM0mBAF5B1/Ut/PLXcNstZmnW5aUhnuDKWAKveHY6id6SJIO0qx35t/BlrxkSPtAB+JxGqzYwCshrfUoq/yjUBIfoa0hxRK4bo0ogBY3aAMjxROKBXBQth5I+syZlP0r8e4noYkcXYdQ0lKRsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S3jEmZMPXJoepdNytsTLtKwEZ4UB8jjfBo8ksuEuEsfSdEdXMnBtFJVexdSkjDaMk0IzfPUsLQmF+VRvuCjkZDHKn/d4nJuaGMJRcmXUaB06w1o3FnpOgTQzMKeGEAboKYCD0T28iFesA7fGNErtZhShOVUgFKu1gL7bUCtzhsA= Message-ID: <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:40:35 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3206_20624649.1186850435880" References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:40:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3206_20624649.1186850435880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator? On 8/11/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I > don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not > without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows > something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses > it, and says it's OK. > > As far as I've been able to tell, footpedal-wise you have these > choices (of pedals currently made) for Mobius in particular (some gear > is not so flexible in MIDI assignments as Mobius and Live; if, for > instance, you want to control an EDP most of these won't work). I have > all this at hand because it's the problem I'm trying to solve, too. So > I hope more people answer your question. What I present here is mostly > gleaned from Internet research, so YMMV. > > Behringer FBC1010. Probably the best available, cheap, and made by an > otherwise cruddy company. It's depressing. I have one here, and am > trying to decide whether to keep it. Downsides: large, and just the > overall legacy of Behringer. Supposedly the "action" on the pedals is > a little sloppy, as compared to the: > > Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that > wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much > money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to > 4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one. > > Ground Control Pro, All Access, CAE: these all seem very similar to > one another. Much higher build quality than Behringer, but make a > decided click which is a problem if there's a mic anywhere in your > looping rig: *click* music *click* music... Expensive. For myself, I > have to decide if I am ever going to want to loop acoustically or > vocally. > > High end pedals -- I forget the brand names, but if you need them I'll > find them. No experience whatsoever with these. These often come in at > nearly 1K. > > Low end pedals -- eight or ten button control change only pedals > sometimes with a continuous pedal tucked on the end (e.g., Rolls). > These might work with Live and Mobius because you can use pretty much > any MIDI message to do anything. Several companies make these, and > used ones are nearly free. Some of them would probably be OK. Others > might not be precise enough -- I have no idea. I have an ART here > somewhere I should probably power up and test. > > Also: Roland has a couple of pedals, with a new one coming out. And > the Yamaha... > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_3206_20624649.1186850435880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator?

On 8/11/07, Kelly Coyle <skcoyle@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I
don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not
without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows
something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses
it, and says it's OK.

As far as I've been able to tell, footpedal-wise you have these
choices (of pedals currently made) for Mobius in particular (some gear
is not so flexible in MIDI assignments as Mobius and Live; if, for
instance, you want to control an EDP most of these won't work). I have
all this at hand because it's the problem I'm trying to solve, too. So
I hope more people answer your question. What I present here is mostly
gleaned from Internet research, so YMMV.

Behringer FBC1010. Probably the best available, cheap, and made by an
otherwise cruddy company. It's depressing. I have one here, and am
trying to decide whether to keep it. Downsides: large, and just the
overall legacy of Behringer. Supposedly the "action" on the pedals is
a little sloppy, as compared to the:

Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that
wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much
money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to
4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one.

Ground Control Pro, All Access, CAE: these all seem very similar to
one another. Much higher build quality than Behringer, but make a
decided click which is a problem if there's a mic anywhere in your
looping rig: *click* music *click* music... Expensive. For myself, I
have to decide if I am ever going to want to loop acoustically or
vocally.

High end pedals -- I forget the brand names, but if you need them I'll
find them. No experience whatsoever with these. These often come in at
nearly 1K.

Low end pedals -- eight or ten button control change only pedals
sometimes with a continuous pedal tucked on the end (e.g., Rolls).
These might work with Live and Mobius because you can use pretty much
any MIDI message to do anything. Several companies make these, and
used ones are nearly free. Some of them would probably be OK. Others
might not be precise enough -- I have no idea. I have an ART here
somewhere I should probably power up and test.

Also: Roland has a couple of pedals, with a new one coming out. And
the Yamaha...


--
http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net
http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_3206_20624649.1186850435880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:47:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654153BF13; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 612330957-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.5.176 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAG+EvUZPQQWw/2dsb2JhbACCI6Yi Message-ID: <46BDE825.1090201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:47:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> <139420E2-7670-4CED-BC89-B03981C836E8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <139420E2-7670-4CED-BC89-B03981C836E8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > A long standing frustration of mine is that I'm finding it so difficult > to do ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping. Has anyone else been > thinking along the same lines? Maybe someone has ideas on how to get > away with it? > Yes, this is an issue. A ritardando can be kind of done on EDP by doing lots of small SUSInserts into the loop. Maybe it's possible to get that accurate enough to sound good. (hmm, have to try that in a minute) (or would you do that with Mobius scripts?) Would be nice to have that feature available. I can imagine that the loop could be split into equal chunks based on the time sig, and then those chunks triggered at different rates to create tempo change without pitch change of time time stretching. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:52:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4193BF13; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 592493221-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.5.176 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KACWFvUZPQQWw/2dsb2JhbACCI6Zf Message-ID: <46BDE95E.6090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:52:46 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Had a nice stay at the Sunny Cove Motel. Not expensive, friendly, and the proprietor knew who Rick is. Probably not near enough to the action for you (unless you have a car). andy butler HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell me > what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the beach > or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as > possible! Thanks in advance for your help. > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:55:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE293BF2A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:55:08 +0200 Message-ID: <005001c7dc38$5ffe9e70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfcNwBFPBtV4jYEQ3iL6paAMMU4UwAATS5w In-Reply-To: <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:13 +0000 (UTC) > sparse 'n spacey... I like it -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 16:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40AD43BF22; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Subject: Laptop-based looping, pedals Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:59:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcfcNQNL4c54ynKzRb23mRivgJgl1gAA5V8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070811100731.SM00764@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Decb802020000f9f0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:59:39 +0000 (UTC) I had a Nobels MF-2, but sold it before I really got into it. Nice form factor and pedals, but poor support and documentation, as I recall. I would just make sure you can return it, in case it doesn't meet your needs. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:23 AM Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to 4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 17:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0723BECD; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 612334316-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.5.176 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAFeJvUZPQQWw/2dsb2JhbACCI6Zn Message-ID: <46BDEC54.9060801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:05:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2o-tnC.A.GOB.LxevGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Coyle wrote: > I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I > don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not > without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows > something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses > it, and says it's OK. > I own one, it's not OK. the MFC10 has a delay of about 80mS from hitting the switch to sending the command. Totally useless for looping. ..well, and for music really. I confirmed this with Yamaha tech support in UK. ...but Yamaha UK had no way to take it further. It's a shame, as otherwise it's quite a sophisticated unit. Sometimes I use it for patch changes, and the CC pedal is ok. The FCB1010 is cheap enough to buy another if it craps out, but so far mine didn't, despite being used fairly intensively. A lot of live loopers use it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 17:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C38E3BF1E; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rev Fever Subject: OT: motels / hotels in Seattle? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:21:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Since the subject of places to stay in Santa Cruz is current, does anyone know of any decent and rea$onable motels / hotels there are in Seattle, and ones that are not sketchy places, and also not way the hell away from the central part of the city? ( a few miles is OK, but not something like 10 or more miles, and definitely not way up on kreepy, sleazy N. Aurora Blvd. ) Over the last few years, I have previously stayed at a nice motel on 8th street (behind the Hurricane Cafe) near the Seattle Center, but each year, it has continued to climb in price to where I can no longer afford to do that, even with one of my nights spent "camping out" in someone's backyard with my tent and gear. (No kidding. I do that in the Summertime to save some $$. Almost like being out in the country somewhere. Almost...:-) ) I am planning another trip from Portland to Seattle in very early September some(?)time, so any advance tips are most appreciated! TIA! -Rev.Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 17:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DDCB3BF24; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=h9KirO/2AQyUxYu/mFLwNqHGThX7rK/q71jAbRUPFsWXcegjLAB5tf1K79KASRB2zq1ZfZftXSo78gKhbRZlSsfEZh3sutZ+i4q54b6kWyCV4uzYNi2mdLcPX3iyMphlX4wz8oN/8Naa68MNR6+yT+YxdXdjD2CIPZsy/H+OMHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nPPoBgZY2i0rO/9sZeGAbpaefqP8MU6nZyeCZKOK248htddMfbKNHPciE1U3pppxK3kBrdtC0fJQpTDa0ky1jFn+dtgYbpZz7myzyC1DYnIOY03x3Da3d0c2QBk/Pz/8TIEuDTmWuYez8BYve/PC6/NK3iSXlFTkiigde2duss4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:23:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) On 11 aug 2007, at 18.40, Matthew Johnson wrote: > i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? Hard to tell... probably not, but it's your call. Operator is an FM synthesis based software synthesizer while Mobius is an audio looper. If you think Operator is a good synth and if you want to play a synth while looping in Moibus, then you might need to get Operator. But you can actually use Operator without buying it if you are fine with demo mode. In demo mode Operator is fully working but you can not save your synth patches. So why not get Live without Operator and try out if you need it? > Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator? No, a very bad replacement. ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 17:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B7E3BF27; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=koyTHsuKkj9spqg7f0Nw8l3juubDnNrqm+pPjEuKFP6kf9mlc0nhlPT2C1mBtRYIVttv9JndKFQQ1+A65DC4CwGrTH1OXlS2mp29ydP0eTXoL3q6JsluuwpsQP281B5+Ms1+iJmTMchQ6b7hiWbqQ6TE7JkzZdpMB6Diwnblqq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GURlyAb7jv79qL67e57QsWKhL2anKMdlvm/A1QyzLKNzCpAhvfYIoeoxwPUoi20nNavZy5idJ4ESkRak9SiCauA/FzFI0tz4irOdpOJ2YqplZ4dPGs/nidQtM06iQw4sT3iKLBYvqkRk7hZqeJ8UgPatdM/t8FP6/vgbetfyPr4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46BDE825.1090201@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000401c7d6da$74a51920$1001a8c0@succubus> <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> <139420E2-7670-4CED-BC89-B03981C836E8@gmail.com> <46BDE825.1090201@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64A6CB25-41B9-463B-A601-F13D4A4D7148@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:24:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) On 11 aug 2007, at 18.47, andy butler wrote: > I can imagine that the loop could be split into equal chunks based > on the time sig, and then those > chunks triggered at different rates to create tempo change without > pitch change of time time stretching. That's an interesting idea! We could use a certain "tempo fader" to control up or down 10 BPB. Numerology has that and it's really good to have a MIDI pedal (or any MIDI controller) to boost or calm down the tempo during certain parts. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:17:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF3EF3BEF8; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d0701c7dc43$ef9caad0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <080420071343.16226.46B4827B00093D7800003F622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: looping for childeren Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:17:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9rvnCD.A.R-D.U1fvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Cool! Except the flute is completely in the wrong key relative to the guitar. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Loopers Delight" ; Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: looping for childeren > My daughter LOVES this. > > http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E61E3BF1F; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:17:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: motels / hotels in Seattle? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:18:03 +0000 (UTC) At 10:21 AM -0700 8/11/07, Rev Fever wrote: >Since the subject of places to stay in Santa Cruz is current, does >anyone know of any decent and rea$onable motels / hotels there are >in Seattle, and ones that are not sketchy places, and also not way >the hell away from the central part of the city? The corporate headquarters for the company I used to work with was on the waterfront just down the hill from Queen Anne, and not that far removed from the Seattle Center, IIRC. I'd have to fly out for a few days at least once a quarter (often more). One of the places I used to stay was over at the Marqueen, up top of Queen Anne. Not always cheap, but there are times when you can get pretty reasonable rates if you book a bit in advance. The prices used to vary pretty(!) wildly, so you might find a deal if you catch it right. I used to really enjoy the rehabbed vintage furnishings a lot too, which is why I always preferred booking in there. Also, at the bottom of the hill is the Homewood suites. It's sort of a generic business hotel (not nearly as much character as the Marqueen) but you can almost always offset paying corporate rates by eating meals there. They include not only breakfast, but free dinner on Monday - Thursday weeknights as well. And, while it's not 4-star cuisine by any means, it'll certainly get you by. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:47:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56923BF13; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:47:32 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: Subject: Laptop-based looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46BE0444.4020908@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) > > ubject: > RE: Subject: Laptop-based looping > From: > "Andrew Koenig" > Date: > Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:47:55 -0400 > > To: > > > >> So if I want to record a CD that contains a mixture of note-by-note >> composition and improvisation, I would use Finale to create MIDI files that >> I would then sequence in Sonar and use Sonar to combine it with audio tracks >> and mix down the final CD, yes? >> >> Not sure where Finale fits into the picture - my understanding is that its very strong for scoring, and I presume it's a great sequencer, but if you've got Sonar, you can record your MIDI and audio tracks and then mix in that environment. Sonar does offer accurate notation views of the midi data, so unless you need to produce orchestral scores I'm not really sure why you'd need both. However, I'm pretty sure you will end up using an additional piece of software to produce the final CD - you'll want to insert markers between tracks, etc. Maybe somebody else will chime in with suggestions for this component... > Interesting. So what you're saying is that what I really want is to learn > how to use Mobius, use it as a VST plugin to Live, and control the whole > thing with a foot controller for live performance, presumably so I can keep > my hands free. > Ableton Live may very meet all your needs for looping and audio production. It now supports recording midi data as well as audio, so you may need go no further. I'm told it does support Mobius as a VST plug in, although I'm not familiar enough with Live! to understand what Mobius offers that Live! does not. Based only on downloading and messing around with the Ableton demo I can say that I find the interface less intuitive. Of course that may just be because it's a deeper product - I'm just more at home with Mobius under REAPER. > Do you have opinions about specific foot pedals? I play a Yamaha WX-5, so > if I were to use a Yamaha MFC10 pedal, it would double as a power supply for > the WX-5. > I'm happy with the Behringer FCB1010 - although big, it's almost inexpensive enough to be disposable after a few years of stomping on it. That said, mine's been apart twice now and I was able to fix minor issues myself... Search the archives here for some other recommendations. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:51:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4687F3BF13; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FLhn8Epcw2bqCARlVhBv0R3GvI8GKb2n8/wtL+KswP2pUmv8oa8cYE8CtGL1qwlwNEwr1OezyHqNaElvG8JsKcGX2nOldq7y4XGUR2XfjbhgjyWezQj+RLqH5EzS+ksF5mbPvCO/AbkgY5dzACEcyBUEhED34wnx/9CPR/C3sDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ik0lyGFZks5cOyzU/+7k6k1YprpIqfUTb9o5JOTKfg2qinTB8UptXLGu8ib/nI4mpIV7vHKD+qSpaAuSN5iFYbP5jP9Bu6wwciJ31xQu6iAffHpNHT3dkK4YUxjkOUjQs3Pc31oQaYJksVL1mPupYB3OGbx8CE7EozXuOyoVfEo= Message-ID: <15d0840708111151w759f049ejf290d71279a86771@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:51:56 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3662_6642811.1186858316893" References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3662_6642811.1186858316893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline are there free/share ware synths out there that have comparable quality to Operator? On 8/11/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 11 aug 2007, at 18.40, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > > i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? > > > Hard to tell... probably not, but it's your call. Operator is an FM > synthesis based software synthesizer while Mobius is an audio looper. > If you think Operator is a good synth and if you want to play a synth > while looping in Moibus, then you might need to get Operator. But you > can actually use Operator without buying it if you are fine with demo > mode. In demo mode Operator is fully working but you can not save > your synth patches. So why not get Live without Operator and try out > if you need it? > > > Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator? > > No, a very bad replacement. ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_3662_6642811.1186858316893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline are there free/share ware synths out there that have comparable quality to Operator?

On 8/11/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 aug 2007, at 18.40, Matthew Johnson wrote:

> i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator?


Hard to tell... probably not, but it's your call. Operator is an FM
synthesis based software synthesizer while Mobius is an audio looper.
If you think Operator is a good synth and if you want to play a synth
while looping in Moibus, then you might need to get Operator. But you
can actually use Operator without buying it if you are fine with demo
mode. In demo mode Operator is fully working but you can not save
your synth patches. So why not get Live without Operator and try out
if you need it?

> Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator?

No, a very bad replacement. ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)







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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_3662_6642811.1186858316893-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 18:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9233BF0F; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cWZvEHyzfzAY8xL8ZsGLfx6hSyXMDiqo8JOaaqzZREBK+Vg+wF3jrZKdu5JmYXOmK0CcygDQls+fCkUGfLEU9wexiojYBVqib7+kGBflolZW+KnHmTcO9AdEty8sL1sv/1uyYn0GlnJlie/BKMlLxs/sqhMEp7BfeReDwmnMQQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uOT2XL2KUQEr/FD+p6+G0XU2kFtfCCz5QeDSMAHH6vnPQZCh4K0k5ATvX/hE5xq7mhA0fvvkghpesiIxe8w3PykUR193nWbG4W8s53BK9Zlwa157oT2d72F2xxSgFZpp9YHRMY8m0YRTtFZniab2DdZcOLB3zcwYyWYqrMPT+T0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:55:01 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping In-Reply-To: <15d0840708111151w759f049ejf290d71279a86771@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> <15d0840708111151w759f049ejf290d71279a86771@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:55:03 +0000 (UTC) I love Crystal. On 8/11/07, Matthew Johnson wrote: > are there free/share ware synths out there that have comparable quality to > Operator? > > > > On 8/11/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 11 aug 2007, at 18.40, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > > > > i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? > > > > > > Hard to tell... probably not, but it's your call. Operator is an FM > > synthesis based software synthesizer while Mobius is an audio looper. > > If you think Operator is a good synth and if you want to play a synth > > while looping in Moibus, then you might need to get Operator. But you > > can actually use Operator without buying it if you are fine with demo > > mode. In demo mode Operator is fully working but you can not save > > your synth patches. So why not get Live without Operator and try out > > if you need it? > > > > > Would mobius be a good replacement for Operator? > > > > No, a very bad replacement. ;-)) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 19:37:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4883BEF8; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c7dc4f$0d378d20$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <080420071343.16226.46B4827B00093D7800003F622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <1d0701c7dc43$ef9caad0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: looping for childeren Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:37:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX196A/oCHQkoKU2eZz033vzWr9ki63nh9+QbbqR H9fZRqnaqJ162jYMWv0TP8zrdQkvHfFGIcCy/jU0zyPCTye5pf CMUE4yGIGKy0Hse3b9871akXTgrWw71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:37:21 +0000 (UTC) yep, had the same impression...this example shows that fortunately for us musicians, just owning apple loops doesn't necessarily make you a musician. smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: looping for childeren > Cool! Except the flute is completely in the wrong key relative to the > guitar. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Loopers Delight" ; > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:43 AM > Subject: looping for childeren > > >> My daughter LOVES this. >> >> http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 19:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEA4E3BF12; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c7dc50$98713980$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:48:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/RZxbHTKo+7ghv7LIYLG/F2Q5jaznKxYz6+Rz oZhlcLn/Vs1iTskKnWd7kfj+pA4zqz5tidRYr5XsKMDKFXQq2J yWemazDRbSAk3z2Z2u5SF0lctqp/Vow Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:48:23 +0000 (UTC) i found this controller on the net. might be more quiet than ground control. downside: has no expression pedal input. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping >I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I > don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not > without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows > something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses > it, and says it's OK. > > As far as I've been able to tell, footpedal-wise you have these > choices (of pedals currently made) for Mobius in particular (some gear > is not so flexible in MIDI assignments as Mobius and Live; if, for > instance, you want to control an EDP most of these won't work). I have > all this at hand because it's the problem I'm trying to solve, too. So > I hope more people answer your question. What I present here is mostly > gleaned from Internet research, so YMMV. > > Behringer FBC1010. Probably the best available, cheap, and made by an > otherwise cruddy company. It's depressing. I have one here, and am > trying to decide whether to keep it. Downsides: large, and just the > overall legacy of Behringer. Supposedly the "action" on the pedals is > a little sloppy, as compared to the: > > Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that > wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much > money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to > 4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one. > > Ground Control Pro, All Access, CAE: these all seem very similar to > one another. Much higher build quality than Behringer, but make a > decided click which is a problem if there's a mic anywhere in your > looping rig: *click* music *click* music... Expensive. For myself, I > have to decide if I am ever going to want to loop acoustically or > vocally. > > High end pedals -- I forget the brand names, but if you need them I'll > find them. No experience whatsoever with these. These often come in at > nearly 1K. > > Low end pedals -- eight or ten button control change only pedals > sometimes with a continuous pedal tucked on the end (e.g., Rolls). > These might work with Live and Mobius because you can use pretty much > any MIDI message to do anything. Several companies make these, and > used ones are nearly free. Some of them would probably be OK. Others > might not be precise enough -- I have no idea. I have an ART here > somewhere I should probably power up and test. > > Also: Roland has a couple of pedals, with a new one coming out. And > the Yamaha... > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:06:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D1DB3BEFE; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Tzmame6gg3DeO120xe34M/LA5cft4zLpvxCjcuWyrWKTnmHOaG6077xmcqjHTPms; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24466586.1186862776048.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:06:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping for childeren Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd487976b7e32084e90707afe12b446ebb7d8093ec8fa1ef8ec6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:06:19 +0000 (UTC) caveat here-i know nothing of keys and chords and notes but those instruments sound in key to me. if ya play #1 flute and #4 guitar only-it sounds like the key of A. i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug. s >Cool! Except the flute is completely in the wrong key relative to the >guitar. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Loopers Delight" ; > >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:43 AM >Subject: looping for childeren > > >> My daughter LOVES this. >> >> http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:15:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A163BF1A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d4a01c7dc54$6273ac60$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <24466586.1186862776048.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looping for childeren Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:15:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Try crickets with chocolate....not bad. :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: looping for childeren > caveat here-i know nothing of keys and chords and notes but those > instruments sound in key to me. > if ya play #1 flute and #4 guitar only-it sounds like the key of A. > i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug. > s > > >>Cool! Except the flute is completely in the wrong key relative to the >>guitar. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "Loopers Delight" ; >> >>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:43 AM >>Subject: looping for childeren >> >> >>> My daughter LOVES this. >>> >>> http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 20:31:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F6853BF16; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d5301c7dc56$a6660330$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <24466586.1186862776048.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: looping for childeren Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:31:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Actually...here's what's going on, I think. It is true that the flute is playing notes in the key of A (A minor that, is)....meaning that all of the notes fall inside the natural a minor scale. They could be in a different key too, if you did some comparisons. I guess what comes out as sounding "bad' is that the choice of notes is poor. I used the term "avoid" notes in a prior conversation, and someone objected to it, but this is a prime case that illustrates that just because a note is in a key doesn't mean it sounds good when you play it continuously with long durations. This is one of those examples. Some of the notes that the flute is playing might be played as passing tones by a professional playing over the same chord progression (#3 on the guitar is what I was using). Anyway...it's a fun little toy, nonetheless. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: looping for childeren > caveat here-i know nothing of keys and chords and notes but those > instruments sound in key to me. > if ya play #1 flute and #4 guitar only-it sounds like the key of A. > i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug. > s > > >>Cool! Except the flute is completely in the wrong key relative to the >>guitar. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "Loopers Delight" ; >> >>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:43 AM >>Subject: looping for childeren >> >> >>> My daughter LOVES this. >>> >>> http://www.noggin.com/games/dora/dorasmusic/ >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:24:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0966C3BF0F; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019b01c7dc5e$03695620$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:24:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Some thoughts on Ritardandi, Accelerandi and stretching time in live looping: 1) My brother Bill does this all the time with his Repeater controlled by the two expression pedals of his Behringer FCB1010. Thankfully, the new version of software is out for the original Repeater and they will be releasing the Mark 2 model at the 2008 NAMM show. My understanding is that it will be at a much lower price point than before. Bill and I have been in contact with the new owners of Electrix and Bill has been using the new software (a review when you get a chance, Bill if you haven't already written one?) so this is not the typical smoke and mirrors we've come to accept from this company in the past...............it's also brand new owners so I think the previous ones were having problems getting venture capital to keep the company afloat. 2) Additionally, there are past posts somewhere where we talked about stretching time and phrasing in long loops. Steve Lawson hipped me to this idea. You play a long loop that hints at metricity and constant metronomic time but stretches it. You record a stretching phrase....................wait an equivalent length of time and then record another one.........................doing this several times in a row, you can then begin to record 'response' tracks to the original 'call' loop. Steve then would keep building the track but listening really intently to how he recorded the original idea until by the end of the piece he has memorized his original loop and can then begin to reharmonize and retimbralize it. 3) on last thought: time is relative in performance so if you lay tracks down that are fixed in length, you can then play against that track with ritadandi and accelerandi giving the illusion that the whole track is stretching. 4) you can also stop a loop and continue seemlessly playing in the style of what you have recorded with an accelerandi or ritardandi looping yourself again when you reach a new tempo. I do this all the time in performance to create a more naturalistic flow of time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 21:28:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62F83BF0F; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> References: <46BDC2DE.60607@Verizon.net> <007301c7dc26$9a68dce0$cf3a96a0$@org> <009401c7dc2f$b08bbcf0$11a336d0$@org> <15d0840708110940n36424dd5s556cabe93efb6944@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:22:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:28:58 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Matthew Johnson wrote: > i just purchased live. Do I need to get Operator? Would mobius be a > good replacement for Operator? I bought Live a while ago and they were having a special on Operator... I was not impressed at all. Perhaps it's better now but go to http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php and define your search and start downloading demos... be careful, there's a ton of good stuff out there, some free, some not but it can replace playing music in your life just checking everything out. btw, FM synths that I like (Crystal isn't one of them, it's great but it's a virtual analog) are Zebra, Sytrus, Toxic, FM8. Not all of that list is pure FM, but they're a good place to start if you like that FM sound. That said, your question was kind of like asking, "Should I get chinese food for dinner or buy a car?" Both good things but very different. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:10:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B043BF13; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YMIuDR6S+kBvVXkU1qwUS4yGfCP2OBxIsz6bn+OxL/X4FzrxQdDYtyiOi57klFw1xJLY3fF1fIdS9wMTHZHEtAO3Swsj3wfqr3W1z7BtUcdoHJug0A1F3KFmAiTeOFaTJCiq0Bmh0ZeyuZMWgqtJKeDz3+nlrOZ/3J9DUK72t50=; X-YMail-OSG: fbTUQvgVM1kxQbmbcBOGvvP1gQld_wwp6Zv5oZFNk8KlB7KSF9Xxx0YE48XgJads.Vfjrz1r58KMe6RrBaQY9xnFMUvjGg8G5cPeAJEToipi0KUwJ8fDSGwfNNY- Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:10:57 +0100 (BST) From: martin wilson Subject: Re: Flute looping (sparse 'n spacey...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46BD9203.4000004@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1180839492-1186870257=:83445" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <382822.83445.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:10:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1180839492-1186870257=:83445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit awesome. Check out the 70's band Gong. J --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. --0-1180839492-1186870257=:83445 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


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Try it now. --0-1180839492-1186870257=:83445-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:16:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BCC3BF0A; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:17:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for Auguest 11, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46BE358E.4010005@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <8KKWmD.A.BdD.WVjvGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070811.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #115 August 11, 2007. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Uwe Reckzeh] Illuminated Area E-dition (Groove) VA [Dweller at the Walk in the Dust E-dition (Groove) Threshold] VA [Phochos] Moving Target E-dition (Groove) David Westling Gremsetz Falchonout Paley's Nightmare (none) Inbodny vidnaObmana III An Opera For Four Fusion Works Act Four: The Bowing Harmony (Hypnos) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Adams It Rains In Heaven The Property of Water (Lakefront) Al Gromer Khan The Ritual Tantra Drums (New Earth) Jia Peng Fang Light Dance Rainbow (Pacific Moon) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== No Rules Dreams Where We Belong (none) Those Men Golden Love Sobgod (none) A.C.T Puppeteers Silence (InsideOut) Hamadryad Sparks and Benign Live (Unicorn Digital) Magic/Self Made Man Hamadryad Anatomy of a Dream Live (Unicorn Digital) Qwaarn Mr. Lotto Aberrations (Unicorn Digital) Spaced Out Sever the Seven Live at the Crescendo Festival (Unicorn Digital) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on September 8. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519253BF0C; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <46BE0444.4020908@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <46BE0444.4020908@Verizon.net> Subject: RE: Subject: Laptop-based looping Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:18:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c7dc65$8de744e0$a9b5cea0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfcSCIH5phyOtbgT/mJHU+eFU78EAAHPEPg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) > Not sure where Finale fits into the picture - my understanding is that > its very strong for scoring, and I presume it's a great sequencer, but > if you've got Sonar, you can record your MIDI and audio tracks and then > mix in that environment. Finale is a word processor for music. Its emphasis is on creating highly legible musical scores, with the ability to play them back as a secondary issue. However, as composers have become more interested in hearing how their music will sound, Finale's playback facilities have become more sophisticated. In particular, for a few years Finale has included a facility called Human Playback that does things to a score that a human musician would do, such as accenting downbeats, phrasing according to the harmonic structure, and so on. Moreover, Finale is well integrated with the Garritan sample-based libraries. The result is that if I use a program such as Band-in-a-Box to create a MIDI backing track, then run it through Finale Human Playback, and then render it with the Garritan libraries, the result sounds dramatically more musical than listening to the output of Band-in-a-Box directly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 22:32:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABCF33BF0D; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0/aH8MfMhGrIXGvFp+mWp7wJ8s51H57/5WAjXhSVtcYeKgeEqalnxveNdHm4ae60Ou/hVIxAWasrn2+JAQ5tfmhP3RaKA0Nm2wb2+lxkdPJQ1uTK4kHzLaaLdmhfKq/1U0cGPSomxIh/Ivsh3WIz99aUyuUnY33lUu1VKWkqlPk=; X-YMail-OSG: cHPy09UVM1ngnzUsIfoAg2QMnmvY_twI9Q8FZ0Rb6N..Z2OoSge2TtboPk8_72iQgw-- Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Electrixpro EQ Killer repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019b01c7dc5e$03695620$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <934926.70224.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, My EQ Killer button broke off that is the plastic inside that holds one of the buttons,anybody knows where i could have it repaired in southern california? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 23:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7BA3BF04; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d7801c7dc6c$2a170980$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small, Hand-Sized Battery Powered Mixers Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:05:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone using this new battery powered mixer from Edirol/Roland? Kris Edirol M10-MX analog mixer - http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 11 23:20:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7AA3BF06; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g0u/eZN7zk1t+S5rOmhGA7eE2Z7fU8ZWT1C0ZbB0otGgggT/trPF76ICyNYW1zAfZc9DJ5aWQyo47XvphsvSS7lvfda/Yd8Kx+X/qUgbSPJvzDcP57VBAesvmb+FWiJ6FxTmf8S2HqMJEexUGiEXpw/n13HIxFQp9Vb7sfZmBfA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FnUUlyz3QrY0yWepkOcQSKX0p7xTWM+FPJgnQq+IOInKX+wlYswLry3pPhbNZconTe46G0WmzMmApSwWBducW88ndtWlUFx1D0tMOPxwsm4y3Mol3jdYysItx7oRpvzfB9mx8HT8iHXfEpMAxuKEZwdgTCxFaY7eUk8fpAR0HDM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:20:17 +0200 From: "mikael altemark" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small, Hand-Sized Battery Powered Mixers In-Reply-To: <1d7801c7dc6c$2a170980$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1d7801c7dc6c$2a170980$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC) No, hadn't seen that one. I use an old Boss BX-4 4-channel battery powered mixer... it's amazing, nothing distorts as good as that little fellow when overdriven. Really nice - and cheap! -- Mikael Altemark On 8/12/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Is anyone using this new battery powered mixer from Edirol/Roland? > > Kris > > Edirol M10-MX analog mixer - > http://www.midi-store.com/Edirol-M10-MX-analog-mixer-p-16896.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 02:17:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87ADB3BF04; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FGbgJ06re7Wmn1fHRdU5YtMj0oC/JzPGfFe8h/S6B1zb478PSF/HHzjw/1l4kBup4me+0wWJAyeynFuPe0LbRMa7uDRNpjo/82KZgY9szH5MHpNh0vdlCBzD8BmUpOe13pWybImZgD4k+DrLUARQT55ZiLBHbr19eOMsZTR0zik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lcTbgsbrPMEG1C0iI1ZruahLqS/l/gB2X0gDZjMCemxs9Z2FS3cEvGsZ4HdlWA2EaoLBoYiGPqaHWrR6G6zzzKzDx+xkb+tO2RgZpnbaLj8ZSid5gHkbEcpBvo+sDQORjn3fs8S2QMJU/3asfXSwRoxQ+OeBGZSAb+pQw7iGUUE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:17:04 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: motels / hotels in Seattle? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Staying behind the Bluricane is a-ok, but you're going to avoid North Aurora....? I used to have a weekly gig at the Hurricane, and the police came every single time to scoop up nodded out junkies, hookers, and drunk brawlers... On 8/11/07, Rev Fever wrote: > ( a few miles is OK, but not something like 10 or more miles, and > definitely not way up on kreepy, sleazy N. Aurora Blvd. ) > > Over the last few years, I have previously stayed at a nice motel on > 8th street (behind the Hurricane Cafe) near the Seattle Center, > but each year, it has continued to climb in price to where I can no > longer afford to do that, even with one of my nights spent "camping out" > in someone's backyard with my tent and gear. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 10:10:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA46A3BF1A; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 601532158-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.100.55 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAN54vkZPQWQ3/2dsb2JhbACCHwSlcw Message-ID: <46BEDCB0.9090602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:10:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? References: <019b01c7dc5e$03695620$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <019b01c7dc5e$03695620$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:10:52 +0000 (UTC) RICK WALKER wrote: > Some thoughts on Ritardandi, Accelerandi and stretching time in live > looping: > > > 1) My brother Bill does this all the time with his Repeater controlled > by the > two expression pedals of his Behringer FCB1010. Right, I think he did that at Y2K5 Maybe Kris still has the audio for that. > > 2) Additionally, there are past posts somewhere where we talked about > stretching time and phrasing in long loops. > You play a long loop that hints at metricity and constant metronomic > time but stretches it. hmm, or with EDP ( or Mobius) you could Insert a section of free tempo into a long rhythmic loop > > 3) on last thought: time is relative in performance so if you lay > tracks down that are fixed in length, you can > then play against that track with ritadandi and accelerandi giving the > illusion that the whole track is stretching. technically "tempo rubato" > 4) you can also stop a loop and continue seemlessly playing in the > style of what you have recorded with an > accelerandi or ritardandi cheers Rick, nice post andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 15:14:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 127203BF19; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aC7e/Z2MgImxiwmpwBEa89XXcc8o+oWSNh0qLIaXFuPmdx+4HiRm1lNvi9cO60Js0wnSk7BTba0ft+Biy7+0/lbyIqOMBS1g2Wv+GjnLw/1yUDW6HHeClDHXOrK5aRFkrjYwB7sQtZkLCEFgj3AhqHYHIpX4MzHhvykImmhFAPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QXDhzNkOLJd5mFO1cLi6356S2rY9S+s28vDD5k+/yBAdnU77ASvMqzNtoP35C9fZEczO54/OTxh2iPEzPYXvBWVvkRboGZVUW5sfyZFYnKn8CJzZ4P7GRIAr2FavNl0D5tm9hgaKy/tWuNrBmGHWKCk43wFl8fRn26ziaRwbzTU= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0708120814i65a8dceuaa3954dca1ab2e64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:14:40 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: motels / hotels in Seattle? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_141673_14768285.1186931680873" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:14:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_141673_14768285.1186931680873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ace Hotel..was a great stay in Seattle.. There was also a youth hostel that looked pretty nice more towards the center of the city. 2007/8/11, Travis Hartnett : > > Staying behind the Bluricane is a-ok, but you're going to avoid North > Aurora....? I used to have a weekly gig at the Hurricane, and the > police came every single time to scoop up nodded out junkies, hookers, > and drunk brawlers... > > On 8/11/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > > ( a few miles is OK, but not something like 10 or more miles, and > > definitely not way up on kreepy, sleazy N. Aurora Blvd. ) > > > > Over the last few years, I have previously stayed at a nice motel on > > 8th street (behind the Hurricane Cafe) near the Seattle Center, > > but each year, it has continued to climb in price to where I can no > > longer afford to do that, even with one of my nights spent "camping out" > > in someone's backyard with my tent and gear. > > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_141673_14768285.1186931680873 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ace Hotel..was a great stay in Seattle..
There was also a youth hostel that looked pretty nice more towards the center of the city.



2007/8/11, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com>:
Staying behind the Bluricane is a-ok, but you're going to avoid North
Aurora....?  I used to have a weekly gig at the Hurricane, and the
police came every single time to scoop up nodded out junkies, hookers,
and drunk brawlers...

On 8/11/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

> ( a few miles is OK, but not something like 10 or more miles, and
> definitely not way up on kreepy, sleazy N. Aurora Blvd. )
>
> Over the last few years, I have previously stayed at a nice motel on
> 8th street (behind the Hurricane Cafe) near the Seattle Center,
> but each year, it has continued to  climb in price to where I can no
> longer afford to do that, even with one of my nights spent "camping out"
> in someone's backyard with my tent and gear.
>




--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_141673_14768285.1186931680873-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 15:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851AB3BF14; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:59:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: ground control and jamman Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) I've just picked up a second-hand ground control - the earlier 12 button version. Unfortunately, it has software version 1, which I understand is preventing me from using my jamman (old rack version), since I can't press the same button twice - it filters out the second press. Apparently, version 2 made changes to allow this. Is there anywhere I can find a later version chip?? I'm based in the UK. Any help much appreciated! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 12 20:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1393BF14; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:47:30 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help with echoplex...it records..all the time! ANyone seen this problem? References: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) One of the echoplexes in the system we are trying to assemble has this oddity it seems..well two of them had it but one got stolen apparently. It was shipped to my old address :-( Nobody knew if for a few days. ANyway when I boot it all seems well. Once I hit record though, it seems to work right but..after you hit record again and it loops it continues to record anything you play thereafter! and mix it in with the current loop! Without any function being hit to do that. Since he had two units do this I assume it's common problem. Maybe even operator error..I haven't looked at the manual for a while. I don't use the machines myself. -Bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 01:13:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBB83BF0A; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DfUjARrA/NVmnu+fA3aVsEMztjtjzfx/JNBlMyng09xLAu7zWNMzaA/f+vXC+63//vHeNIO9gpfmQAjAyhiX5656CVKLCQZ+Eu8Xg6q96Ut7S8qcn5ateAasVaeud21bSrPI2sG8WMD235RwET/5E5huhhSGPyqdxw6rCRO1UcQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eFIdalmFjza3If/ijW9zx90oGGIXGm0tyh+3MZfluJ7fVV0VuTZmuOjedmlOTxudS52Alq9Wvq3kCpvJGwwKDLPAJKOEjSTEGJKziTCTaGkE8AmVGdKbhbA+ck3YyGVf6ny4eQc9GfonVGF/VtKxH8/UJ4sUlqxc/L2in4ScMOc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:13:38 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with echoplex...it records..all the time! ANyone seen this problem? In-Reply-To: <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45090_14445690.1186967618872" References: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:13:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45090_14445690.1186967618872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I never use it, but that sounds like the EDP is in Loop mode. Change Loop Mode to Loop and it should work as you expect. If it's not that, I've never run across my EDP behaving like that from Loop mode. Cheers, Jon On 8/12/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > > One of the echoplexes in the system we are trying to assemble has this > oddity it seems..well two of them had it but one got stolen apparently. > It was shipped to my old address :-( Nobody knew if for a few days. > > ANyway when I boot it all seems well. Once I hit record though, it > seems to work right but..after you hit record again and it loops it > continues to record anything you play thereafter! and mix it in with > the current loop! Without any function being hit to do that. Since he > had two units do this I assume it's common problem. Maybe even operator > error..I haven't looked at the manual for a while. I don't use the > machines myself. -Bob > > > > > > > ------=_Part_45090_14445690.1186967618872 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I never use it, but that sounds like the EDP is in Loop mode. Change Loop Mode to Loop and it should work as you expect.

If it's not that, I've never run across my EDP behaving like that from Loop mode.

Cheers,
Jon

On 8/12/07, Bob Weigel <sounddoctorin@imt.net> wrote:
One of the echoplexes in the system we are trying to assemble has this
oddity it seems..well two of them had it but one got stolen apparently.
It was shipped to my old address :-(  Nobody knew if for a few days.

ANyway when I boot it all seems well.  Once I hit record though, it
seems to work right but..after you hit record again and it loops it
continues to record anything you play thereafter!  and mix it in with
the current loop!  Without any function being hit to do that.  Since he
had two units do this I assume it's common problem.  Maybe even operator
error..I haven't looked at the manual for a while.  I don't use the
machines myself. -Bob

>
>


------=_Part_45090_14445690.1186967618872-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 01:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 339233BEF8; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070812182123.051c95f8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:30:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark In-Reply-To: <20070806151955.172310@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48472A64 Resent-Message-ID: <5TxFgC.A.LWH.TP7vGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Buzap et al; Yes, I'm visually impaired, (blind) so yes, have much exp on this! lol! I kind of need the equip to be an extension of my body, but also having seen, the visual feedback aspect can also be a comfort / confidence builder too... One thing that non visual feedback requires of me though, that I think can be a good thing as far as gear goes regardless of whether one can see or not, is a rather thorough understanding of my instrument(s) / gear I'm using for a performance. -Just my thoughts... :) Oh, and sorry for the late response to this thread, have been crazy busy and am catching up on email... Smiles, CQ :) At 05:19 PM 8/6/2007 +0200, you wrote: >While we are at it, here is a suggestion + invitation for feedback: > >Recently, I have occasionally started practicing looping in a pitch dark >room and found the experience VERY useful. >Being able to sense the knobs/settings by heart and do the right moves >without any visual feedback (except LEDs) has been a really good training. > >I haven't really needed these skills yet in a live situation, but I think >it can give you more confidence, not getting irritated by insufficient >lighting etc. > >Do you also have any experience on this? > >Buzap >-- >GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. >Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 >5:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM From onlinebankingalert@bankofamerica.com Mon Aug 13 01:39:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1079 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:39:52 UTC Received: from hummer.onthenet.com.au (hummer.onthenet.com.au [203.13.68.9]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3633BEE4 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (154.41.221.203.static.comindico.com.au [203.221.41.154]) by hummer.onthenet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2160018043; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:21:48 +1000 (EST) From: "Bank Of America" Subject: Irregular Check Card Activity Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:20:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070813012149.2160018043@hummer.onthenet.com.au> To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 06:57:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20693BEF8; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C00F72.3090405@imt.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:59:46 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with echoplex...it records..all the time! ANyone seen this problem? References: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks..I'll have to figure how to turn that off. That must be it. I was having a hard time believing he'd have had two units with the same failure of that nature :-) -Bob Jon Southwood wrote: > I never use it, but that sounds like the EDP is in Loop mode. Change > Loop Mode to Loop and it should work as you expect. > > If it's not that, I've never run across my EDP behaving like that from > Loop mode. > > Cheers, > Jon > > On 8/12/07, *Bob Weigel* > wrote: > > One of the echoplexes in the system we are trying to assemble has this > oddity it seems..well two of them had it but one got stolen > apparently. > It was shipped to my old address :-( Nobody knew if for a few days. > > ANyway when I boot it all seems well. Once I hit record though, it > seems to work right but..after you hit record again and it loops it > continues to record anything you play thereafter! and mix it in with > the current loop! Without any function being hit to do > that. Since he > had two units do this I assume it's common problem. Maybe even > operator > error..I haven't looked at the manual for a while. I don't use the > machines myself. -Bob > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 08:22:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED5E3BF16; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nOBi9XqsUOF4AZ77QeaE2wzxkWB+ANnBhdfOwHvRCZ+ShkL0KtudEvrkJbQuntmxunxPDhF26ZDCRh03zL29DVB1QaybsF6cHGITdlz5Bn6UQdm4br94btrKwAWSyxDg63rFodQJwzqAld5NANJrn7QtueaFLAuk7QNFpbLTC5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CksugV3xNsPHF5DIrTBmZE7Bt7PNZMC8tSFTLXzljUKjkt7G0WRRAgY09ZBmSQAStJYCaf9dmensDlZjxSlkyaFN+0E23ZBIEZQz/V1mFx6CXC+jetXkdopDYPVOrWiYcd0ROKlQTfcvvWL0ugYj0cAzAuLNgnfEs5+pxmrggkw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:21:58 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp to live sync MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_196576_29409455.1186993318019" Resent-Message-ID: <5ijaaC.A.IZB.nSBwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:22:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_196576_29409455.1186993318019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo and start (abelton) live , I absolutely hate the vertion 4 manual so please dont tell me to RTFM , I use the big behringer midi pedal for controling my edp (v4 software) anyone? thanx -- Arne R. Skage jr. arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_196576_29409455.1186993318019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo and start  (abelton) live ,   I absolutely hate the  vertion 4 manual so please dont tell me to RTFM , I use  the big behringer midi pedal for controling my edp (v4 software)
 
 
anyone?
 
thanx
--
Arne R. Skage jr.


arne@skage.com
www.skage.com
------=_Part_196576_29409455.1186993318019-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 10:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78573BF0A; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 595610919-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.69.63 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAJrKv0ZPQUU//2dsb2JhbACCHwSmSQ Message-ID: <46C02E67.2090201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with echoplex...it records..all the time! ANyone seen this problem? References: <46BF3C5B.14654.5F4BDF@nick.12testing.net> <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <46BF7FF2.2010004@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob, It's like Jon said, probably the interface mode is set to dEL (delay). A handy thing to do when you obtain an EDP is to do a factory reset. Hold down the Parameter button while powering on the unit. So you're still with that multiple EDP setup, hope that works out. andy butler Bob Weigel wrote: > One of the echoplexes in the system we are trying to assemble has this > oddity it seems..well two of them had it but one got stolen apparently. > It was shipped to my old address :-( Nobody knew if for a few days. > > ANyway when I boot it all seems well. Once I hit record though, it > seems to work right but..after you hit record again and it loops it > continues to record anything you play thereafter! and mix it in with > the current loop! Without any function being hit to do that. Since he > had two units do this I assume it's common problem. Maybe even operator > error..I haven't looked at the manual for a while. I don't use the > machines myself. -Bob > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 10:49:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1F23BF04; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MZ+og5H6ZXy+ah7LirLfnasb41o6+AGpROx+kCwr3JjsR2M1ZRJUw+0NvijqXK9vJ4xiyDGiv4Tas5CY4OzDJcgeoUeJ6tAIDBfBpTLfd5RKzMAOCn1fePGeW1nzn9O92bUjFtobogEyRQGwMTItDMLMWi6pQ9R4iqOQH4c+Mvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=h7U1A00mp6aNRlxaJ0yjjvs6ElKrBOo4KiWt0nKjJtIkY3dN8zlK68JX+JrFlEY1bvh+M+/JrZVH35bu7chuyd5LbUOGGtwRGQXbY0Y/oeTJ8DJzljOUYAugJGfUhzt2ubFB8WdUeqoisT7IW2fjhnzodzc5+RP8HTIgyFwb9e0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:49:46 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp to live sync In-Reply-To: <5B401F34-0D41-472F-8F56-57561566FC7E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_197617_10824706.1187002186519" References: <5B401F34-0D41-472F-8F56-57561566FC7E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:49:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_197617_10824706.1187002186519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi agian/ hei igjen I want edp to be the master an live to "slave to the rythm" (couldnt resis= t that one) , The setting is me doing guitarstuff /looping giving a feed to a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample and manipulate what i do preferably i= n time, I have no problem slaving the edp to the sequencer, but i want it th= e other way around, to avoid using a tempo click. Arne 2007/8/13, Per Boysen : > > On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > > > How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo and start (abelton) > > live , I absolutely hate the vertion 4 manual so please dont > > tell me to RTFM , I use the big behringer midi pedal for > > controling my edp (v4 software) > > > Are you saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the > slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works fine, in > my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a hardware > MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s MIDI > input. > > I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my computer and > that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio track > (you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out > through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_197617_10824706.1187002186519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi agian/ hei igjen
 
I want edp  to be the master an live to "slave to the r= ythm" (couldnt resist that one) , The setting is me  doing guitar= stuff /looping giving a feed to  a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample= and manipulate what i do preferably in time,  I have no problem slavi= ng the edp to the sequencer, but i want it the other way around, to avoid u= sing a tempo click.=20
 
Arne

 
2007/8/13, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R= . Skage jr wrote:

> How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo= and start  (abelton)
> live ,   I absolutely hate the  vertion 4 manu= al so please dont
> tell me to RTFM , I use  the big behrin= ger midi pedal for
> controling my edp (v4 software)


Are y= ou saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the
slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works = fine, in
my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a har= dware
MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s = MIDI
input.

I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my comp= uter and
that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio t= rack
(you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out
through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack.
=
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www= .looproom.com (international)







--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.ska= ge.com =20 ------=_Part_197617_10824706.1187002186519-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 11:00:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280493BF04; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ed3NMa9rEYYCjMQ8oisOYEA6Hfv30xD38KHsyL+S3fMdK3C0OkzvotuzjcJqICplSg3UK0XRPBlIkALXl6EkRGYYi3NI9dE/mxGPLWejlIULzTU1265dkNlU/e3NASx2b1oSpfENwyG7yXXbppO51hOnsxSBK3dbBsyudXe7cK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=THz/mjU5oV1GfRdjcKUUDmHxQqJYvWXgi9I819u5Zbc0n6fZVwXgXjtdX5o0DWwpEc1pyt6/Xy6k/7ZsTg3m/feXRVKCWP/jYvJAf8L1cit/I/6Vp3UsLTab/Ln8qQiq2nYKCCw/OoJvaJdNEVu3xk0SffY0sv9UEzmqepGGuGM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:00:05 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp to live sync In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_197673_3579714.1187002805523" References: <5B401F34-0D41-472F-8F56-57561566FC7E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:00:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_197673_3579714.1187002805523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline signal chain: guitar - presonus firestation out left - looper - PA out right - abelton/PC - PA midi sync edp out - PC/ fireface in 2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr : > > Hi agian/ hei igjen > > I want edp to be the master an live to "slave to the rythm" (couldnt > resist that one) , The setting is me doing guitarstuff /looping giving a > feed to a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample and manipulate what i do > preferably in time, I have no problem slaving the edp to the sequencer, = but > i want it the other way around, to avoid using a tempo click. > > Arne > > > 2007/8/13, Per Boysen : > > > > On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > > > > > How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo and start (abelton) > > > live , I absolutely hate the vertion 4 manual so please dont > > > tell me to RTFM , I use the big behringer midi pedal for > > > controling my edp (v4 software) > > > > > > Are you saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the > > slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works fine, in > > my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a hardware > > MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s MIDI > > input. > > > > I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my computer and > > that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio track > > (you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out > > through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com > --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_197673_3579714.1187002805523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
signal chain:
 
guitar -  presonus firestation  out left  -  loope= r  - PA
 out right - abelton/PC  - PA
 
midi sync edp out  - PC/ fireface in
 
 

 
2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com>:
Hi agian/ hei igjen
 
I want edp  to be the master an live to "slave to the r= ythm" (couldnt resist that one) , The setting is me  doing guitar= stuff /looping giving a feed to  a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample= and manipulate what i do preferably in time,  I have no problem slavi= ng the edp to the sequencer, but i want it the other way around, to avoid u= sing a tempo click.=20
 
Arne

 
2007/8/13, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:=20
On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R= . Skage jr wrote:

> How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo= and start  (abelton)=20
> live ,   I absolutely hate the  vertion 4 manu= al so please dont
> tell me to RTFM , I use  the big behrin= ger midi pedal for
> controling my edp (v4 software)


Are y= ou saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the=20
slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works = fine, in
my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a har= dware
MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s = MIDI=20
input.

I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my comp= uter and
that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio t= rack
(you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out
through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack.
=
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.loo= proom.com (international)




=



--
Arne R. Skage jr.
91157204=20


--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com=20 ------=_Part_197673_3579714.1187002805523-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 11:06:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4F83BF04; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MHQv3Sb7JPHhXITPfFMWcoty3c9oM3Wsu7U6Ag5EDhlFGY65kCQQArchdxFAqrLSPQoo9K6NNNCawR40wE6d4v+caYCPd+Np0vhoSu6jdm1dd0lba19HwbVhGSkHYalxVs+nPtpvjBtJj2T9m1ihMfpaT68PIVSkdRAUBMx8068= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eStcjMCSoMlKxK5VZmW19GHGk4qB2XcdlqAOCf9wmWM0ehJrLqhr9YGkfZaRozObKgilFVslx9UoK7zmCIvz9TjWQt7mEaIMei8Et1KU9B8CXJV7KKWDZRZUAfW82eEBVz+FWOpPAVcGeQGrI/FqD9n90MIOfWYXkCD38u9z9nw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:11 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp to live sync In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_197769_27901786.1187003171075" References: <5B401F34-0D41-472F-8F56-57561566FC7E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:06:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_197769_27901786.1187003171075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Takk Per this is what i needed, now i just have to find the right multifunctionbutto= n on the edp Arne (thanx again both of you) 2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr : > > signal chain: > > guitar - presonus firestation out left - looper - PA > out right - abelton/PC - PA > > midi sync edp out - PC/ fireface in > > > > > 2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr : > > > > Hi agian/ hei igjen > > > > I want edp to be the master an live to "slave to the rythm" (couldnt > > resist that one) , The setting is me doing guitarstuff /looping giving= a > > feed to a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample and manipulate what i do > > preferably in time, I have no problem slaving the edp to the sequencer= , but > > i want it the other way around, to avoid using a tempo click. > > > > Arne > > > > > > 2007/8/13, Per Boysen : > > > > > > On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R. Skage jr wrote: > > > > > > > How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo and start (abelton) > > > > live , I absolutely hate the vertion 4 manual so please dont > > > > tell me to RTFM , I use the big behringer midi pedal for > > > > controling my edp (v4 software) > > > > > > > > > Are you saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the > > > slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works fine, in > > > my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a hardware > > > MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s MID= I > > > input. > > > > > > I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my computer and > > > that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio track > > > (you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out > > > through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack. > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arne R. Skage jr. > > > > 91157204 > > arne@skage.com > > www.skage.com > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com > --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_197769_27901786.1187003171075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Takk Per
 
this is what i needed, now i just have to find the right multifun= ctionbutton on the edp
 
Arne
 
(thanx again both of you)

 
2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com>:
signal chain:
 
guitar -  presonus firestation  out left  -  loope= r  - PA
 out right - abelton/PC  - PA
 
midi sync edp out  - PC/ fireface in
 
 

 
2007/8/13, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com>:=20
Hi agian/ hei igjen
 
I want edp  to be the master an live to "slave to the r= ythm" (couldnt resist that one) , The setting is me  doing guitar= stuff /looping giving a feed to  a keyboardist/ laptop who will sample= and manipulate what i do preferably in time,  I have no problem slavi= ng the edp to the sequencer, but i want it the other way around, to avoid u= sing a tempo click.=20
 
Arne

 
2007/8/13, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:=20
On 13 aug 2007, at 10.21, Arne R= . Skage jr wrote:

> How do i set up my edp so i can set the tempo= and start  (abelton)=20
> live ,   I absolutely hate the  vertion 4 manu= al so please dont
> tell me to RTFM , I use  the big behrin= ger midi pedal for
> controling my edp (v4 software)


Are y= ou saying you want Ableton Live to be the master and the EDP the=20
slave? If so, you set the EDP to "Sync In". MIDI Clock works = fine, in
my experience. Set Ableton to send out MIDI Clock through a har= dware
MIDI interface and connect a MIDI cable from there to the EDP=B4s = MIDI=20
input.

I have also tried pulse sync to get my EDP follow my comp= uter and
that was fine with me as well. I recorded a pulse on an audio t= rack
(you can just record a short part and loop it) and sent it out
through an audio cable into the EDP's "Sync - Beat" jack.
=
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.loo= proom.com (international)




=



--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204=20


--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com



--
Arne R. Skage jr.

= 91157204
arne@skage.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 13:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54CD3BF1D; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:53:08 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfKCbhdfTcZHpUGRKKUSMpOaSVYlgTpnZnw References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:18:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640A73BF18; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bLDLf+em86MwY1wFUzNuQ00CkiR6cT+ALOHsWk8U1TG2k1hCqgJ6svpd/McgyBFpS1GK6GSPNArwo2uebjKrxIKib8IGGoPrkq5o8xgXCiJudXNN9UgcUY3TcQsbxmwL1Mec6HFK3ESW/3zAttpb2v4/5UFAU1q0YITBI4CQKG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QkPdyuIpIWe0vg2IJaQ26ll/m+3WcX22frD9mCord9iQNoWyFw8WSs80YbqG5di2NUD5fh89wkXsC+NVOfvNd7R0oaFjGDB8cek3mRyg3p4AtWmSQ9+YYtTNuKHag9TMSb1aT+1ad1W0/by7te+PHjMvTwV5s0oUMJsZE5GRoBQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:14 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz In-Reply-To: <1c5b01c7dbc5$ac5a7c80$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11893_8127132.1187014694109" References: <200708091947515.SM08148@quahome> <1c5b01c7dbc5$ac5a7c80$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:18:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11893_8127132.1187014694109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Are there plans to do NINJam events again this year? I'm interested if there are. Tony On 8/10/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Hello all, > > Here is just the starter page to get the word out. > > www.y2kloopfest.com > > There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working on all of > this. He has the master plan. > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Qua Veda > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM > *Subject:* RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz > > what are the dates of the festival ? is there a website up with info ? > -Qua > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz > > I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be > fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last year I > stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I stayed at > the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* HarryEsq@aol.com > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM > *Subject:* LoopFest Santa Cruz > > Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone tell me > what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the beach or > closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as possible! > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_11893_8127132.1187014694109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Are there plans to do NINJam events again this year?  I'm interested if there are.

Tony

On 8/10/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Hello all,
 
Here is just the starter page to get the word out.
 
 
There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working on all of this. He has the master plan.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Qua Veda
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz

what are the dates of the festival ?  is there a website up with info ?
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz

I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The year before last year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The year before that I stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October.   Can anyone tell me what location is best for a hotel?  Does the Fest occur near the beach or closer to downtown?  I'd like to be as close to the action as possible!  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908



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Tony ------=_Part_11893_8127132.1187014694109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 14:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86CEF3BF13; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1e9b01c7ddb7$d88ecf60$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708091947515.SM08148@quahome> <1c5b01c7dbc5$ac5a7c80$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:40:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1E98_01C7DD85.8CF9ABB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:40:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1E98_01C7DD85.8CF9ABB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question. I believe Rick is first awaiting confirmation of whether = Rainer will be able to make it. If so, then maybe Rainer would be = willing to drive this event again. I thought it was a great idea, and = would love to participate this year (I missed out last year because I = was too involved in streaming the main event and recording). BTW, this year I will not be streaming the main event to the internet = again, nor will I be recording every performance direct from the mixer = board. The time and attention to stream is tremendous, and the return on = investment (1-10 people online listening) doesn't justify the effort.=20 I notified Rick that I would not being doing this, so that I can feel = more part of the event this year. For the last few years, I have felt = somewhat detached from the event because I've been chained to the = recording/streaming mixer board. I am now looking forward to mingling = about and meeting with many of you, talking about things, etc. I also = won't be recording from the board. Instead, I'll be recording live from = the room, with my digital recorder and two high quality stereo mics. I = plan to just turn the recorder on and record for several hours at time, = and then sort out the files after the event. So, if any of you want high = quality, direct from board recordings of your performance, you may = consider recording your own performance. In any event, I will still = make the live room recordings available via the web for those who grant = permission to do so. I think it will be interesting this year to have a = live room mix of the event. In constrast, if someone is willing to record every perfoermance from = the house mixer board, or even stream to the internet, and take = ownership of either of these tasks, I'm sure Rick would not object, nor = would I.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Are there plans to do NINJam events again this year? I'm interested = if there are. Tony On 8/10/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: Hello all, Here is just the starter page to get the word out. www.y2kloopfest.com There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working on = all of this. He has the master plan. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz=20 what are the dates of the festival ? is there a website up with = info ? -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave would be = fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year. The year before last = year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad. The year before that I = stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend that hotel, however. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi all - I'm planning to be at LoopFest in October. Can anyone = tell me what location is best for a hotel? Does the Fest occur near the = beach or closer to downtown? I'd like to be as close to the action as = possible! Thanks in advance for your help. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony ------=_NextPart_000_1E98_01C7DD85.8CF9ABB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good question. I believe Rick is first = awaiting=20 confirmation of whether Rainer will be able to make it. If so, then = maybe Rainer=20 would be willing to drive this event again. I thought it was a great = idea, and=20 would love to participate this year (I missed out last year because I = was too=20 involved in streaming the main event and recording).
 
BTW, this year I will not be streaming = the main=20 event to the internet again, nor will I be recording every performance = direct=20 from the mixer board. The time and attention to stream is tremendous, = and the=20 return on investment (1-10 people online listening) doesn't justify the = effort.=20
 
I notified Rick that I would not being = doing this,=20 so that I can feel more part of the event this year. For the last few = years, I=20 have felt somewhat detached from the event because I've been chained to = the=20 recording/streaming mixer board. I am now looking forward to mingling = about and=20 meeting with many of you, talking about things, etc. I also won't be = recording=20 from the board. Instead, I'll be recording live from the room, with my = digital=20 recorder and two high quality stereo mics. I plan to just turn the = recorder on=20 and record for several hours at time, and then sort out the files after = the=20 event. So, if any of you want high quality, direct from board recordings = of your=20 performance, you may consider recording your own performance.  In = any=20 event, I will still make the live room recordings available via the web = for=20 those who grant permission to do so. I think it will be interesting this = year to=20 have a live room mix of the event.
 
In constrast, if someone is willing to = record every=20 perfoermance from the house mixer board, or even stream to the=20 internet, and take ownership of either of these tasks, I'm sure = Rick would=20 not object, nor would I.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Are there plans to do NINJam events again this = year?  I'm=20 interested if there are.

Tony

On 8/10/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <=20 khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Hello all,
 
Here is just the starter page to get the word out.
 
 
There are still some tentative venues, etc, but Rick is working = on all=20 of this. He has the master plan.
 
Kris
 
 
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Qua Veda =
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Sent:=20 Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:39 PM Subject:=20 RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz

what are the dates of the = festival ? =20 is there a website up with info ?
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: = Thursday, August=20 09, 2007 7:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
Subject:=20 Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz

I think most common hotels on Ocean street or Pacific Ave = would be=20 fine. I may stay at the Best Western this year.  The = year before=20 last year I stayed at the Bay Front Inn...not bad.   The = year=20 before that I stayed at the Inn Cal on Ocean. I don't recommend = that=20 hotel, however.
 
Kris
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent:=20 Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject:=20 LoopFest Santa Cruz

Hi all - I'm planning to = be at=20 LoopFest in October.   Can anyone tell me what = location is=20 best for a hotel?  Does the Fest occur near the beach or = closer to=20 downtown?  I'd like to be as close to the action as = possible! =20 Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Harry
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach = Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)=20 989-2908



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Tony = ------=_NextPart_000_1E98_01C7DD85.8CF9ABB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:22:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBBE3BF1E; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:22:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Nice job, Warren and Daryl! Warren, were you using max on this one? Are you going to Y2K? I've love to sit down with you this time and talk max stuff with our laptops open. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > Hi, > > I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, > chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of > you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. > > Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed > a > bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! > > Warren > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:40:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF5593BF23; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NCWkEhz9jTMEIrPjYGlpV/HnoW2ciRjBM4y30yBzPkkXvY9gh3Q9iFjBWXrIUkbShdTg1nkzo/mfTIdK/c5bG+nkytb9evsa78UDkOuwBsDSWh6GbxZvh7whwpuSaUQ9W3HCNhwQyCmPUCbmCmBna8JXguCMWm992SSSk1kNduk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X+61wTUfXCufH2EJh344y51EOyjlkoS5DWwYs/NBgYJzRmMMICkk3FroVUzDQOO0CCLwUW+zBzI2bPvCkGaZGwZXP8fizdNkTf0W6Dv/GrtqPMXP+cxfd2TMtgeqFbrS2VyGLyvAlHs3nKYeUxE2iZ8a5oA4MZEE2WZe9VgJgLE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:39:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <93UbpB.A.RP.RtHwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:40:01 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2007, at 15.53, Warren Sirota wrote: > I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that your synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max looper? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:48:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F53F3BF27; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:48:48 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfdvdXdC+FZy8/3R8+W+nE01DCtSgAAO6jQ References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, Thanks for the compliments. I did indeed record this with my MAX-based looper - I have it set up to record 6 tracks at once - 2 for my live input, 2 for the aux input (in this case Daryl's live feeds, which included his loops, which were not synced to mine), and 2 for my summed loop outputs. After that, I took all the tracks into Ableton and then just adjusted overall mix levels and spot-tamed a couple of high volume flashpoints that I thought were problematic. Unfortunately, Y2K is not in my budget for this year. So far, I've been on an alternate year schedule for the left coast, so I'm hoping to be back for Y2K8. But if your business takes you through NY at some point, you could swing by here for a day or two. At this point, I don't mind sharing my looper code - but I'm afraid that maybe it's so complex and tangled that no-one else would be able to make sense of it. MAX is a fascinating language, but structuring really large amounts of code is quite a challenge, and not so amenable to the usual OO techniques (except insofar as I move more of the code to Java externals). And testing and debugging an implicitly multithreaded real-time system like this is, ummm..., interesting, let's say. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > > Nice job, Warren and Daryl! > > Warren, were you using max on this one? Are you going to Y2K? I've love to > sit down with you this time and talk max stuff with our laptops open. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:53 AM > Subject: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > > > > Hi, > > > > I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, > > chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all > of > > you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. > > > > Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we > jammed > > a > > bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! > > > > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 15:59:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91F43BF2D; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:59:33 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <028801c7ddc2$f0c11c90$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfdwDjQka0+C1NNRDqE0VzbvBYI+QAAgnBQ References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, The non-guitar sounds are coming from my GR-33 guitar synth, or from a trick I use in my looper sometimes, which is to play all the recorded tracks (up to 16) back at different, randomly selected speeds (both backwards and forwards). Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > > On 13 aug 2007, at 15.53, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! > > > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that > your synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max > looper? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:02:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89EC83BF35; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j6NZz8eEOuSKtRrdScJ7tA4+bgqaixqaUSdOqOBE1VRqOEZo5iu+1GByymT8MQzGqVf/H8UZFkrPTfqX0DoRzWzOjINNJoPaG2viJs4kRRq5zOIvPbzxKbdUgVlT3hDiVNVaptSlhGUjYEWSbeFCeR6eGDUJxtHhLt00GqF83ds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HyW95ooACGi4CRioxKkLMqX2lZ/mI1uEbe7tB4wxYkmok2z2vvsJPyXGqod7FGZzLmXKtLhxPdg3THesxcXVt6NihLkuLUiFnPMp/gzf8nMX17UhypxpcZJ+iQwR/C0YQnTP4EFGb6a8jLIy3kfvOqRziYkDSLKR+8NhY87/sRY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <028801c7ddc2$f0c11c90$0402a8c0@macbookxp> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> <028801c7ddc2$f0c11c90$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A6F9626-EC55-4B36-90CF-A13C84122106@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:02:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2007, at 17.59, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi Per, > > The non-guitar sounds are coming from my GR-33 guitar synth, or > from a trick > I use in my looper sometimes, which is to play all the recorded > tracks (up > to 16) back at different, randomly selected speeds (both backwards and > forwards). Ahh.... I like that lo-fi tone you get when you play back stuff at lower speed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:04:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11DAD3BF43; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hZE+7135ONjpk6c3Yx2pcllb3l7SDUlc3nw/Nn2lF4nM/QlSBOY+UARFKLdwAdov5lAHLvD45JSCsfjffEALFrCTicD+xmdf+uE4nQQ6b0WrLstH76POZLSKuA3irpV+JwXQZp26Yd8BCwZMvQj60tOpWlisGE20sV1tHZp+QPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mAB7QzslGFJozqjyGKf6LOmTB67UPrK4eFflUsv+SIHvlMjVkTqzOdb7rbbmK2eJLpgQlQeo0T4828NYz5oq4nxuhms6uUxgCe9486MkscWlViYSkfemDWrUV3oBqNFatXMI71pLOkIzJV1gPhOwWI72Sy93BSiDEemmrhZnIn4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 Flintstone pick and ultra thick plain jazz strings makes for the soft but thick attack. Looping in Mobius VST under Bidule... as usual ;-) Instead of playing things that I loop I tried to do it the other way; playing long notes and loop short slices so the "backing sections" kind of builds up in the loop while the lead is almost textural. Can't do that on wind instrument because my lungs are too small and I have not yet learned circular breathing well enough. And with the sustianiac there's also an inspiring element of random - you can never be completely sure to really get the sustain you reach for when playing a note... and sometimes it just screams through the wood of the instrument even when you are not playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:09:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF483BF44; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m5dxWeUXqmZQlN3+lLr6HVQKOly7+HZbHWgSAwOCvCj/QiNPBDUCrJwxZ0j0dJqPxZvGAjVttLxMRuKNXuvLJe8lAD8ElGUkzeOT3+KYDgn0Rixq/4DoTDg4+msAjLI4FKLMA9+RJB6xCIJJyYoDmMhLfITt+EjdXE1aSODQWHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rqnfpkWM0SgMl/XuTs1xxUIMa4DwvdXoxs+FplLt4HleFlSzvtXgECjzJihpTbEJ3LbI3UV9amojWUxrbaKBpDwiGV+fvjtjRzq584vBLaQOH6+/2UmIHXCQ0uGqs+zUCFGXN7xGA5noRhHnK8yMdO1qJLia3zLYWl9To5y177A= Message-ID: <9e0440a60708130909s451f389asc7e96436bb5d9818@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:32 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-Reply-To: <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_166942_14315129.1187021372746" References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: <9Aao9B.A.DNC.AJIwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_166942_14315129.1187021372746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn. Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn. Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool. Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops. Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago. Good stuff guys! Best Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Hi, > > I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, > chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of > you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. > > Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed > a > bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! > > Warren > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_166942_14315129.1187021372746 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn.  Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn.
 
Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool.  Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops.  Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago.  Good stuff guys!
 
Best
 
Jim
 


 
On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
Hi,

I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo,
chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of
you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out.

Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a
bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at
http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy!

Warren




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_166942_14315129.1187021372746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:18:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEEDB3BF49; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ebe01c7ddc5$90f72400$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that your > synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max looper? Speaking of the gtr synth, Warren. This is where I'd like to pick your brain. I have this vision of creating a max/msp version of the old Roland GR-300 guitar synth...you know, the one that Metheny and Abercrobmie used to us that has the really organic, and "grunty" violin/horn like sound to it. I think it is basically some sort of saw wav based synth, but with other things added. I have the beginnings of the synth opearting in max now (using fiddle~ to convert my real time audio into frequency data for the synth objects), but it is squirelly and out of control. The tone is getting there, though. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:34:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F1E63BF2D; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:34:49 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <1ebe01c7ddc5$90f72400$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029e01c7ddc7$de637980$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfdxZO4EYq8KU0uRvqwuPSpjmilUQAAL2rQ References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> <1ebe01c7ddc5$90f72400$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I haven't really played with fiddle~ much. I know that tone you're talking about - there are probably some GR-300 enthusiasts around who have duplicated that patch, and could tell you all the parameters. You could probably find some useful results through Google. So fiddle~ isn't responding as you'd like? That's interesting info - pitch-to-MIDI isn't easy (in realtime) even for monophonic voices (and audio-to-amplitude, for the Velocity parameter of the midi note isn't that easy either, but if you're making your own synth, then I think you're better off controlling amplitude continuously from your guitar amplitude, rather than extracting an initial value to create a MIDI note-on message). I assume you're trying to use this to analyze a monophonic playing style, not confusing fiddle with more than 1 note at a time. You might try putting filters and/or compressors in front of fiddle~. Or, if latency is an issue, you might try playing with synth sounds that have a somewhat slower attack - letting the guitar provide the initial attack and then "backing it up" with a synth sound that comes in a tiny bit slower is not a bad way to fudge the inherent latency in pitch extraction. Or, of course, you could use the pitch extracted to control something entirely different (though I'm sure this wasn't your original goal), like filter frequency. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > > > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that your > > synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max looper? > > Speaking of the gtr synth, Warren. This is where I'd like to pick your > brain. I have this vision of creating a max/msp version of the old Roland > GR-300 guitar synth...you know, the one that Metheny and Abercrobmie used > to > us that has the really organic, and "grunty" violin/horn like sound to it. > I > think it is basically some sort of saw wav based synth, but with other > things added. I have the beginnings of the synth opearting in max now > (using > fiddle~ to convert my real time audio into frequency data for the synth > objects), but it is squirelly and out of control. The tone is getting > there, > though. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:42:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BFF3BF29; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:42:16 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02bb01c7ddc8$e8b0ff60$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acfdw6IFrhgiegNaSGOVAdP9Dz9lIAABTtbg References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful and soulful. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > > Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 > > Flintstone pick and ultra thick plain jazz strings makes for the soft > but thick attack. Looping in Mobius VST under Bidule... as usual ;-) > > Instead of playing things that I loop I tried to do it the other way; > playing long notes and loop short slices so the "backing sections" > kind of builds up in the loop while the lead is almost textural. > Can't do that on wind instrument because my lungs are too small and I > have not yet learned circular breathing well enough. And with the > sustianiac there's also an inspiring element of random - you can > never be completely sure to really get the sustain you reach for when > playing a note... and sometimes it just screams through the wood of > the instrument even when you are not playing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 16:42:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C74B3BF28; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:42:16 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <9e0440a60708130909s451f389asc7e96436bb5d9818@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02bc01c7ddc8$e9105d70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_A2/boOz9SpWNkNB1EJeF0A)" Thread-index: AcfdxFrMwngF5VG2SAic2gNxv4I1dQABFFTg References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <9e0440a60708130909s451f389asc7e96436bb5d9818@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_A2/boOz9SpWNkNB1EJeF0A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call. Warren _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn. Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn. Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool. Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops. Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago. Good stuff guys! Best Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: Hi, I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! Warren -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com --Boundary_(ID_A2/boOz9SpWNkNB1EJeF0A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

 

Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn.  Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn.

 

Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool.  Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops.  Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago.  Good stuff guys!

 

Best

 

Jim

 



 

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Hi,

I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo,
chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of
you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out.

Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a
bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at
http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy!

Warren




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com

--Boundary_(ID_A2/boOz9SpWNkNB1EJeF0A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 17:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588763BF1E; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: <006301c7ddce$9e8cd660$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: Acfdw6nF/jM4SRMaQz24fBaVQfX3zAACtDtg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I get Mobius working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to it. What's your secret!? -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 Flintstone pick and ultra thick plain jazz strings makes for the soft but thick attack. Looping in Mobius VST under Bidule... as usual ;-) Instead of playing things that I loop I tried to do it the other way; playing long notes and loop short slices so the "backing sections" kind of builds up in the loop while the lead is almost textural. Can't do that on wind instrument because my lungs are too small and I have not yet learned circular breathing well enough. And with the sustianiac there's also an inspiring element of random - you can never be completely sure to really get the sustain you reach for when playing a note... and sometimes it just screams through the wood of the instrument even when you are not playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 17:27:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A8203BF33; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bzswhEJ7arizK3rIBtt/WB8R4B53BiVXVsU0p2+/y5I6M8a9Jm0mqzLJcgGboIbsKXAO5NFB08o+icidMYsPuDI1uNLOTQqcBDojNxuroKM6+4Ba1Uqw56HdRzS/IBOZIZUgLpSCO+vt/AcFrnStCd5I3HUvlfXRLuO9iVTC7WY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VAacXOl4ndSTrUFNgm5J/uaWAHGoE4O5/V6QG8v5cWmOIsDSpDGX0eLP9T9V/NQfKKwXgZ8F2oCOC2wvQwoWUF+USq3s2zmNt77nRXtyBbY2hKLzUVxDrDn/NUXTH6eqYnH3oFueZq6iD+Fj9oOnhZ23jDHRoZm97F84epTGie4= In-Reply-To: <006301c7ddce$9e8cd660$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <006301c7ddce$9e8cd660$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:27:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:27:55 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I > get Mobius > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to > it. What's > your secret!? Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 17:34:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A3003BF40; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: Looperlative for sale Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_LQDfD.A.w3.dYJwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Great machine, just not for me. Like new, barely used. $1000 write me off list thanks! Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:04:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069533BF32; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RlESNonwOjZ9OzqKypHCpJ5Go88i1aG9NUerCvUbdIG01+SzfU3ZwwsOTnR9N5iQzoX2mdfpeNJuGAqBaEIdtveIH96mZtOyWtooo+KfCUpWl97SQslwE4Rz3IGhAAj99aTEOTi72C19de+Hyb7GNqQ1k/9UOv2qUl6nqLWw+a4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fxT1n/T8vTR1+lqZQ/IsJcxkGuQdpL1BKadoAhkpBIQuDw8+1SBPXiFYZfFpOTdIvTgXg4qzZNStcAx7nZiKE+Z0aNzPzkCFY4T4VZ3Om6n9kQGhfglrIvUoVUbrc+TmtqGklMot3NWeX2Rck21awGxHWswh+Ht9BE8cu4TRyZM= Message-ID: <9e0440a60708131104s509d37ecy3c78390d191c61f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:04:36 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-Reply-To: <02bc01c7ddc8$e9105d70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_169054_8991383.1187028276147" References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <9e0440a60708130909s451f389asc7e96436bb5d9818@mail.gmail.com> <02bc01c7ddc8$e9105d70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:04:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_169054_8991383.1187028276147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl's I've come to know from working with him the last year and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches. I too have a dated midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years. I got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80's. It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japenese/Korean Strat clone. Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it. Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on. At NAMM in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more to analog/real-time and minimal efx. That all said your patches/voices on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using at the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were really cool. About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orleans, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when it was a very unique southern place. The energy of what you guys created reminded me of that trip. J On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the > feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call. > > > > Warren > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota > > > > Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person > Chinapainting show in > Brooklyn. Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn. > > > > Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool. Love the > patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of > your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops. > Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a > clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of > southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago. Good > stuff guys! > > > > Best > > > > Jim > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > On 8/13/07, *Warren Sirota* wrote: > > Hi, > > I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, > chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of > you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. > > Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed > a > bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at > http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! > > Warren > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel > Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_169054_8991383.1187028276147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl= 's I've come to know from working with him the last year = and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches.  I too have a da= ted midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years.  I = got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80'= ;s.  It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japene= se/Korean Strat clone.  Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it.&nbs= p; Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on.  At NAMM = in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for= the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments = which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more= to analog/real-time and minimal efx.  That all said your patches/voic= es on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using a= t the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were real= ly cool.
 
About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orlean= s, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, = August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when= it was a very unique southern place.  The energy of what you guys cre= ated reminded me of that trip.
 
J

 
On 8/13/07, = Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsde= signs.com> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Lou= isiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it hap= pens. Nice call.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim = Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] <= br>Sent: Monday, August 13,= 2007 12:10 PM
To: <= a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Re: New im= prov posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

Chinapainting show in Brooklyn.  Thanks so much for making the tre= k down to Brooklyn.

www.chinapaintingmusic.com=

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota < wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

= Hi,

I had the pleasure of seeing/hea= ring Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo,
chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple= of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of=20
you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out.=

Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we= jammed a
bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home p= age, at=20
http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy!

Warren

<= /div>


--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin&= nbsp; - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
C= hinapainting -
http://www.chinapainting= music.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label a= nd home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull= Guitars -=20 http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Dar= yl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.= com
Adam Werner - http://www.ada= mwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manrin= g -=20 http://www.manthing.com
Will Ac= kerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com




-- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - = http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.comChinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label a= nd home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -= =20 http://www.ghsstrings.com and Sea= gull Guitars - http://www.seagull= guitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Dar= yl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.c= om
Adam Werner - http://www.ad= amwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.jo= hnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com=20 ------=_Part_169054_8991383.1187028276147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:32:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 178ED3BF25; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:32:01 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota In-reply-to: <9e0440a60708131104s509d37ecy3c78390d191c61f1@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <030301c7ddd8$3f0dc550$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UTVKp7ohFIkSoFMX40CpTQ)" Thread-index: Acfd1G1O5BRSptv8QOWprJfWBUEyggAAkn6A References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <9e0440a60708130909s451f389asc7e96436bb5d9818@mail.gmail.com> <02bc01c7ddc8$e9105d70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <9e0440a60708131104s509d37ecy3c78390d191c61f1@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:32:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UTVKp7ohFIkSoFMX40CpTQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Jim. Well, I'm kind of on-and-off-again about MIDI guitar, but after playing a lot of purist (i.e., no loops or fx other than tone stuff) jazz guitar this year, it's a pleasure to dive back into broader tonal waters. The classic Yamaha FM stuff was pretty revolutionary at the time, but generally I really prefer sample-based "synthesis" as in the GR-33 and many other newer sound modules (when the TX81Z came out, there were some pretty severe computing limits that have been greatly relaxed since then. FM was renowned to a significant extent because it was a great efficient method. Efficiency is less important today, though FM still has its afficianados). Plus, my Godin nylon-string is a very good MIDI controller - I don't know if this is true of your Charvel, but this guitar was designed to be a synth controller, and (I infer from performance) it shows up in the quality (strength, fidelity, lack of crossover) of the hex signal sent to the converter, which lets the converter do the best job it can. Warren _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl's I've come to know from working with him the last year and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches. I too have a dated midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years. I got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80's. It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japenese/Korean Strat clone. Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it. Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on. At NAMM in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more to analog/real-time and minimal efx. That all said your patches/voices on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using at the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were really cool. About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orleans, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when it was a very unique southern place. The energy of what you guys created reminded me of that trip. J On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call. Warren _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn. Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn. Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool. Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops. Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago. Good stuff guys! Best Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota < wsirota@wsdesigns.com > wrote: Hi, I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at http://www.warrensirota.com . I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! Warren -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com --Boundary_(ID_UTVKp7ohFIkSoFMX40CpTQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Jim.

 

Well, I’m kind of on-and-off-again about MIDI guitar, but after playing a lot of purist (i.e., no loops or fx other than tone stuff) jazz guitar this year, it’s a pleasure to dive back into broader tonal waters. The classic Yamaha FM stuff was pretty revolutionary at the time, but generally I really prefer sample-based “synthesis” as in the GR-33 and many other newer sound modules (when the TX81Z came out, there were some pretty severe computing limits that have been greatly relaxed since then. FM was renowned to a significant extent because it was a great efficient method. Efficiency is less important today, though FM still has its afficianados). Plus, my Godin nylon-string is a very good MIDI controller – I don’t know if this is true of your Charvel, but this guitar was designed to be a synth controller, and (I infer from performance) it shows up in the quality (strength, fidelity, lack of crossover) of the hex signal sent to the converter, which lets the converter do the best job it can.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

 

All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl's I've come to know from working with him the last year and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches.  I too have a dated midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years.  I got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80's.  It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japenese/Korean Strat clone.  Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it.  Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on.  At NAMM in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more to analog/real-time and minimal efx.  That all said your patches/voices on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using at the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were really cool.

 

About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orleans, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when it was a very unique southern place.  The energy of what you guys created reminded me of that trip.

 

J

 

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

 

Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn.  Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn.

 

Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool.  Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops.  Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago.  Good stuff guys!

 

Best

 

Jim

 



 

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota < wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Hi,

I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo,
chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of
you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out.

Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a
bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at
http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy!

Warren




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com

--Boundary_(ID_UTVKp7ohFIkSoFMX40CpTQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 18:56:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216343BF00; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:56:16 +0000 Message-Id: <081320071856.21218.46C0A94F000822C6000052E22216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21218_1187031376_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21218_1187031376_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was "off again" until I got the new Axon MkII. So fast. Its internal sounds suck, but it is just as fast controlling VST Synths. Plus with the ability control parameters just by where you pick this string, there are things you can do that you cant even imagine. I now use my guitar to control Live 6 . So I can hit notes to trigger scenes and clips, I can control volume, or filters by where I pick on the string. Amazing. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Warren Sirota Hi Jim. Well, I’m kind of on-and-off-again about MIDI guitar, but after playing a lot of purist (i.e., no loops or fx other than tone stuff) jazz guitar this year, it’s a pleasure to dive back into broader tonal waters. The classic Yamaha FM stuff was pretty revolutionary at the time, but generally I really prefer sample-based “synthesis” as in the GR-33 and many other newer sound modules (when the TX81Z came out, there were some pretty severe computing limits that have been greatly relaxed since then. FM was renowned to a significant extent because it was a great efficient method. Efficiency is less important today, though FM still has its afficianados). Plus, my Godin nylon-string is a very good MIDI controller – I don’t know if this is true of your Charvel, but this guitar was designed to be a synth controller, and (I infer from performance) it shows up in the quality (strength, fidelity, lack of crossover) of the hex signal sent to the converter, which lets the converter do the best jo b it can. Warren From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl's I've come to know from working with him the last year and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches. I too have a dated midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years. I got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80's. It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japenese/Korean Strat clone. Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it. Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on. At NAMM in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more to analog/real-time and minimal efx. That all said your patches/voices on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using at the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were really cool. About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orleans, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when it was a very unique southern place. The energy of what you guys created reminded me of that trip. J On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call. Warren From: Jim Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn. Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn. Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool. Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops. Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago. Good stuff guys! Best Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota < wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote: Hi, I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo, chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out. Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy! Warren -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21218_1187031376_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I was "off again" until I got the new Axon MkII. So fast. Its internal sounds suck, but it is just as fast controlling VST Synths. Plus with the ability control parameters just by where you pick this string, there are things you can do that you cant even imagine. I now use my guitar to control Live 6 . So I can hit notes to trigger scenes and clips, I can control volume, or filters by where I pick on the string. Amazing.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>

Hi Jim.

 

Well, I’m kind of on-and-off-again about MIDI guitar, but after playing a lot of purist (i.e., no loops or fx other than tone stuff) jazz guitar this year, it’s a pleasure to dive back into broader tonal waters. The classic Yamaha FM stuff was pretty revolutionary at the time, but generally I really prefer sample-based “synthesis” as in the GR-33 and many other newer sound modules (when the TX81Z came out, there were some pretty severe computing limits that have been greatly relaxed since then. FM was renowned to a significant extent because it was a great efficient method. Efficiency is less important today, though FM still has its afficianados). Plus, my Godin nylon-string is a very good MIDI controller – I don’t know if this is true of your Charvel, but this guitar was designed to be a synth controller, and (I infer from performance) it shows up in the quality (strength, fidelity, lack of crossover) of the hex signal sent to the converter, which lets the converter do the best job it can.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

 

All very visual Warren and good stuff, which is a strong suit of Daryl's I've come to know from working with him the last year and now in hearing more of you too, love the patches.  I too have a dated midi-guitar setup that I have done nothing with in many years.  I got it ahead of the technology as I was really interested in the mid-80's.  It's the Charvel/Jackson module with a hex pickup on a Japenese/Korean Strat clone.  Module wise I've used a TX81Z with it.  Every year I briefly seem to get it out and then move on.  At NAMM in January I played with the Roland Synth which I found interesting but for the money have been more driven to put the investment in real instruments which I've done plus with Chinapainting as you know we've been more to analog/real-time and minimal efx.  That all said your patches/voices on this tapestry of music with Daryl plus ones I recall you using at the end of Y2K when I joined in with you and Daryl last Oct are/were really cool.

 

About 20 years ago I was driving back home to Arkansas from New Orleans, was lost it was about mid-night in the bog lands of southern Louisiana, August and hot, it was the old City before the deluge of last year and when it was a very unique southern place.  The energy of what you guys created reminded me of that trip.

 

J

 

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words, Jim. Louisiana swamp was not so far from the feeling in the air that day, as it happens. Nice call.

 

Warren

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

 

Warren again it was so kind of you to come to our first live-in-person Chinapainting show in Brooklyn.  Thanks so much for making the trek down to Brooklyn.

 

Man this suite of music you and Daryl created is really cool.  Love the patches and the intricacy particularly mid-way in the piece with some of your digital voicing and Daryl's trademark analog 4-track artistry/loops.  Excellent job guys and I have visions of Greenwood Lake which I haven't a clue what it's like there but this incarnation gives me a feeling of southern Louisana through the bogs at mid-night about 20 years ago.  Good stuff guys!

 

Best

 

Jim

 



 

On 8/13/07, Warren Sirota < wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Hi,

I had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Daryl and Jim Goodin's duo,
chinapainting, in Brooklyn a couple of weeks ago. It was a treat - all of
you going to loopfest in SC this fall should be sure to check them out.

Last week, Daryl dropped in to visit here in Greenwood Lake, and we jammed a
bit. I posted a recording of the first piece over on my home page, at
http://www.warrensirota.com. I think it came out rather well. Enjoy!

Warren




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www. seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21218_1187031376_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:08:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A59B3BF25; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <007801c7dde5$a97b7c40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: Acfd0kvsraucRPRBQUiVvjPTUk9kfwAD3WLQ Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen. I've = tried both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make my = drum vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start. If I = keep it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120 even = though I've set it to sync. Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't know = but it sure is frustrating. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I =20 > get Mobius > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to =20 > it. What's > your secret!? Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a =20 little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select =20 "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E373BF2E; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:27:18 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Very nice Per, I also love fretless ( which I often use with ebow) and found that you have found a nice spot to make the sustainer work so well with a basically difficult situation ( unfretted notes) to make sustain - I think the solution is in the thick strings ( Sustainiac is more sensitive the more mass the string has). But I really enjoyed the background sliced happening. Now I understand better about your approach to Mobius, which is so different from mine. Really interesting synced/sliced/pitched/tuned work ! my best, Luca Per Boysen wrote: > Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 > > Flintstone pick and ultra thick plain jazz strings makes for the soft > but thick attack. Looping in Mobius VST under Bidule... as usual ;-) > > Instead of playing things that I loop I tried to do it the other way; > playing long notes and loop short slices so the "backing sections" > kind of builds up in the loop while the lead is almost textural. > Can't do that on wind instrument because my lungs are too small and I > have not yet learned circular breathing well enough. And with the > sustianiac there's also an inspiring element of random - you can > never be completely sure to really get the sustain you reach for when > playing a note... and sometimes it just screams through the wood of > the instrument even when you are not playing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2456 (20070813) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 20:37:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE6E53BF23; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y4q2n4Fo6s6ll9SWLENwIjZzvUNgubVOSoIXyQTcTk8LhNcPlNFJsM9NOlDrSGiaDOxHoZT8Y0lDufzGVrDw6/bN1NIEbnKpxkmH5/47f1tvlL+6eUKzHr7jBSQQ0CZ5hLJIoWFeUrtEryHdSrmfoYyIPJtxEOnZnItwBEZvx8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hRgqkVFybxT5oH7+Pot67HhrKlRZjyFKRiWlir8v2+yaWC0wtyt3+vO+7/f6djtzk2N6oj82cPmU9/d0HO7OB1+oK5uKPdFXcWm7S6fMVGPu7L0X/u/u0YLXxy/wa95ig/JEa2IVm3oWJyJxzneqve4BsQ6lq9ULuWdj0S3u1AQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36589F81-8314-46B4-A806-5E13DEC9E17B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:37:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:37:54 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2007, at 22.27, Luca Formentini wrote: > Very nice Per, > I also love fretless ( which I often use with ebow) and found that > you have found a nice spot to make the sustainer work so well with > a basically difficult situation ( unfretted notes) to make sustain > - I think the solution is in the thick strings ( Sustainiac is more > sensitive the more mass the string has). Yes. But I use the C model Sustaniac. It's a mechanic device, not electro-magnetic. A mechanical clamper is put temporarily on the head stock. The analog output from the guitars output jack is amplified and drives that vibrating clamper so the vibrations go back into the wood of the neck and back into the strings. I don't think thickness of strings matter much in this pure mechanical process, which they do with electro-magnetic solution like the Stealth Sustainiac or the Fernandes sustainer. BTW I tested a friends strat with a Fernandes and found it very different in playing and sustaining action. > But I really enjoyed the background sliced happening. Only one loop all through. Making changes to that loop as you go. Only SUS Substitute work with no use of feedbck until the final outro of the song where it goes into classic feedback/overdub layering. > Now I understand better about your approach to Mobius, which is so > different from mine. How would you describe your approach? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 21:11:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59DC03BF32; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46C0CB38.5050408@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:20:56 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> <36589F81-8314-46B4-A806-5E13DEC9E17B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <36589F81-8314-46B4-A806-5E13DEC9E17B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: > Yes. But I use the C model Sustaniac. Ahhh... this is why you have such a fast and loud sustain ! you can't get it with the magnetic model unless you use a lot of compression, some distortion would also help. I was really amazed how well it was sounding, even more when thinking it was a fretless gtr ! > I don't think thickness of strings matter much in this pure > mechanical process, which they do with electro-magnetic solution like > the Stealth Sustainiac or the Fernandes sustainer. BTW I tested a > friends strat with a Fernandes and found it very different in playing > and sustaining action. String's mass is really very important on the magnetic one. About Model C, I think it is not, even if it would help anyway. > Only one loop all through. Making changes to that loop as you go. Was it all played in real time ? I mean, you played the melodical stuff and sampled from there and then tweaked the loop while playing ? If so, which kind of control did you take over the looped content ? There is clearly pitch happening and it is rhythmatic. > Only SUS Substitute work with no use of feedbck until the final outro > of the song where it goes into classic feedback/overdub layering. I also use it a lot together with Sus Insert ( I would have thought it was Sus Insert in your song). > How would you describe your approach? I tend to play without creating structures, I think I am closer to Matthias than to Andre ( to talk about old friends). I also tend to create less rhythmatic loops. But I am always interested in learning new ways; the track you've posted looks like a blend between Matthias and Andre ( I mean about concept just !). My best, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 22:10:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A3E3BF0B; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KAWUciFMMkhOtG5q5fCAeJbm/ow0ukgkAhPKNXMBQmqXKxDJrbWB8xKrnJIuq5As35eT+fwDZDeKtmByKroRvjNx+oipgx+kzdFJICdF2V9dHpHX5vZCV3cTmhAfsxJOgFZeSDuxNEOjYEKxORaKR8NAWLgTC1oXjR9mcLSJcts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P1mcVPrTxuL2U2Yoiw9D0FHA0PVd31ab6PtIju2wumsyWJrIJuS+eO2/tOeVrByEISf9Wd7r53hs6tvn8KfdtcrBDshRKX97Aw4m2n8wbzl5aZZXjUBwmrQ8aY2lc7qx25jTyghcWui/X2W2PZGDHvTbgGgiXOrAMBD4juHVPMg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C0CB38.5050408@unguitar.com> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> <36589F81-8314-46B4-A806-5E13DEC9E17B@gmail.com> <46C0CB38.5050408@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <809FCDAF-318B-40D5-8585-40BF8BF90026@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:10:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6em74C.A.3jF.dbNwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:10:38 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: >> Yes. But I use the C model Sustaniac. > On 13 aug 2007, at 23.20, Luca Formentini wrote: > Ahhh... this is why you have such a fast and loud sustain ! > you can't get it with the magnetic model unless you use a lot of > compression, some distortion would also help. > I was really amazed how well it was sounding, even more when > thinking it was a fretless gtr ! I thought one interesting point in the clip I posted is that there is no distortion or amp simulation used at all. Only the guitar's wood and string sound patched into the sound-card. A very clean "line in" guitar sound. >> Only one loop all through. Making changes to that loop as you go. > > Was it all played in real time ? Yes. > I mean, you played the melodical stuff and sampled from there and > then tweaked the loop while playing ? Yes, exactly. Playing long melodic lines while SUS Substituting short slices into the loop. Initially there is no volume on the looper so you don't hear the loop I'm building, until it fades in. Some slices cut in one octave below the played lead note (by pitching the loop up one octave when doing the Substitute. I use a script that pitches +12 and then goes SUSSubstitute and finally pitches down a bit to compensate for the loop going faster at the higher pitch. Just to make the loop keep the timing), to form a bass line. While doing this I also change the Alternative Feedback in mobius to control how much of the old loop layers will be kept under the new layer (going from zero Alt Feedback to totally substitute old audio for that particular slice duration, full Alt Feedback to make it work as if doing quantized overdub, but mostly somewhere in between to only make a little "pocket" in the old audio to make the new audio slice fit in. Hmm... the piece goes in 6/8 measure so I was using "8ths per cycle = 12" or "8ths per cycle = 48" for very short notes cut in. That makes eventual tempo relating VST plug-ins sync up nicely. >> How would you describe your approach? > > I tend to play without creating structures, > I think I am closer to Matthias than to Andre ( to talk about old > friends). > I also tend to create less rhythmatic loops. > But I am always interested in learning new ways; the track you've > posted looks like a blend between Matthias and Andre ( I mean about > concept just !). I agree. Those two guys are the pure personifications of two very different technical approaches to looping (although I think they are very structural in a musical sense). I think it would be difficult to combine both techniques when using the EDP because it needs to be set up quite exclusively for Andre-type treatment. With Mobius that's easer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2345E3BF13; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1f6a01c7ddfd$d3fcc150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <21DC7306-3B6E-4953-B8B9-6D30CE961A68@gmail.com> <1ebe01c7ddc5$90f72400$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <029e01c7ddc7$de637980$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:01:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Warren, you haven't fiddled with fiddle~ ? :) Actually, I have to correct myself. I am using pitch~ for my pitch conversion, which as based on fiddle~. And I was a bit hard on myself given how decent it sounds. I'll send you the code after this. When I ran it through my delay and reverb, plus added some dry guitar signal, it sounds really close to the GR300....close enough for me in fact. Let me know what you think. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" Hi Kris, > > I haven't really played with fiddle~ much. I know that tone you're talking > about - there are probably some GR-300 enthusiasts around who have > duplicated that patch, and could tell you all the parameters. You could > probably find some useful results through Google. > > So fiddle~ isn't responding as you'd like? That's interesting info - > pitch-to-MIDI isn't easy (in realtime) even for monophonic voices (and > audio-to-amplitude, for the Velocity parameter of the midi note isn't that > easy either, but if you're making your own synth, then I think you're > better > off controlling amplitude continuously from your guitar amplitude, rather > than extracting an initial value to create a MIDI note-on message). I > assume > you're trying to use this to analyze a monophonic playing style, not > confusing fiddle with more than 1 note at a time. > > You might try putting filters and/or compressors in front of fiddle~. Or, > if > latency is an issue, you might try playing with synth sounds that have a > somewhat slower attack - letting the guitar provide the initial attack and > then "backing it up" with a synth sound that comes in a tiny bit slower is > not a bad way to fudge the inherent latency in pitch extraction. Or, of > course, you could use the pitch extracted to control something entirely > different (though I'm sure this wasn't your original goal), like filter > frequency. > > Warren > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:18 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota >> >> > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that >> > your >> > synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max looper? >> >> Speaking of the gtr synth, Warren. This is where I'd like to pick your >> brain. I have this vision of creating a max/msp version of the old Roland >> GR-300 guitar synth...you know, the one that Metheny and Abercrobmie used >> to >> us that has the really organic, and "grunty" violin/horn like sound to >> it. >> I >> think it is basically some sort of saw wav based synth, but with other >> things added. I have the beginnings of the synth opearting in max now >> (using >> fiddle~ to convert my real time audio into frequency data for the synth >> objects), but it is squirelly and out of control. The tone is getting >> there, >> though. >> >> Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 13 23:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27733BF0A; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1634.64.129.211.125.1187049043.squirrel@o3.hostbaby.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RC-50 sync work around, and Roland communique' update From: chris@nubzilla.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References:In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I have a work-around for the sync/performance issue... 1- Ableton live as the master (or other master that sends start commands) 2- Motu MIDI Timepiece AV as the interface providing simultaneous outputs...(Be sure to mute realtime on the inputs from the RC-50s if connected, or you get 2 or 3x realtime. Whee!!! They are coming to take me away ha ha!!) 3- 2 RC-50s in "auto"mode 3.5- Ableton live has a midi sync delay setting that corrects positive or negative timing. Just enable the click track in Ableton and the guide on the RC, use ableton to start the RC, and adjust the timing until they match up... 4- Using the RC-50 standalone, figure out in advance how many measures your longest loop will be, and record that many bars of silence. (That will determine the loop length for all phrases during that "song.") Make sure that the phrase you use is active, and save that to the patch. It's probably a good idea to preset the tempo in the rc-50 so it doesn't have to "warp" the silence to match the tempo in slave mode. 5- When you start playing in ableton, (or other master), the silent phrase will start playing. 6- Overdub at your convienience, and in sync too. 7- If you stop all the phrases at any time during the performance with the RC, you will lose the sync. It must be re-started with the master to re-sync. If you stop with the master, all phrases will stop on the RC. 8- If you switch patches you will lose the sync. Re-start with the master. 9- If you stop the phrase with the inital silence on it it may throw off the sync if the other phrase loops are shorter. not sure on this, just now thought of it... It's kinda convoluted, but what the hey! Also, I have finally had a spare minute to write to Roland, and here is their response: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hi Chris, Thanks for the e-mail. The detail you went into is great. I have forwarded it to the President of Boss U.S. here, and he will forward it to Roland Japan. I talked with him about a week ago, so he is aware of your situation. I think this will definitely help to push Japan to make this a higher priority. I'm glad that you have a temporary work-around to get it going for you. Good luck on the debut. Keep in touch, and as soon as I hear more I'll get in touch." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3F43BF18; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a3JpFssnKZBlOf8mcRJ17dRoqVfTafLxAK5rgWbtqZMY3/77ldVDJLImt7wJnwU369PQ7HRwc7EksBUwKQNxAhp1TL4Vf+PBjyyFSlwhORb1vK0QTRM/VtdSdTTAS5gxEA/rBy98EnO0DAYx925TSNDIKwHRkDYtn87HxN8ORBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nM7j9Qn2jCRir+y2dRswEuABfU/BeFF4Un2srPZZDg2jeT6kmG5Wxgk51OkcplD1lOqlNCId55fX0ENIo8RDWp4byWsdE3iI0oKj2npP0PP7DTNunALOZYVFGXyOD5+cWQIYiqTzTlDiPtLO4qKEY49TNyUXkcdZ/D9fHthyp+M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:09:19 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative for sale In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, I'd buy your Looperlative if it is still available. I should probably buy a CD or two, too -- I've been admiring them for years. On 8/13/07, Zoe Keating wrote: > Great machine, just not for me. > > Like new, barely used. > $1000 > > write me off list > > thanks! Zoe > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 01:09:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664233BF25; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EIUjXATF/jZUWK2BJk3+kCjdQ4uY2dETjuAkto0/5/T1EdgPf639z0IoCh7pXqKfOOW/e6K+YVSEdKA8VbFqgGw8c8jLi1wE3/AGRPCt96urKzocYNj4Be/CyCi90NiMWH7f+zs1V1M2+txwAJ05/6uKSFfCX4FYXaD9uom6wCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=haIFPfULlpkiwLwuRpI2xXlALq1v4fl50h7I7c+i1LbcD7iQMDFqgBhiI7//KgwR0a8pmHQ3LplAfXz2A8dwqotKcZInzYzvD9TulT0FVDu7ENZepsklRjrLjwqFME//XTQsAdWoGCprJlYW0K9Xt4XZaMjuEoCkN8sCOpntbOk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:09:44 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative for sale In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <3MCkhC.A.-JF.aDQwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about that. Meant to send to Zoe. On 8/13/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Zoe, I'd buy your Looperlative if it is still available. I should > probably buy a CD or two, too -- I've been admiring them for years. > > > > > On 8/13/07, Zoe Keating wrote: > > Great machine, just not for me. > > > > Like new, barely used. > > $1000 > > > > write me off list > > > > thanks! Zoe > > > > > > > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 04:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A163BF25; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <469A37F4-818C-4D21-9F66-FD3DE44E58A3@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: LP-1 sold Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:17:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:17:51 +0000 (UTC) sold the looperlative. thanks for all the responses! and thank you bob amstadt for making such a wonderful machine. i've streamlined to software-based system (still using the Repeaters though). the more i use my macbook pro, the less i find i need to use looping hardware. still need it for some things, but i don't rely on the loop machines 100% anymore. anyway, the LP-1 is a great box. it just doesn't fit into my world at present (and i need to buy another condenser microphone!!) best, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 06:29:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7442E3BF1B; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:29:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfd3RJo0bpptHiNR2aj2FqX5D7xsgAXwMOg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:29:38 +0000 (UTC) > Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 wonderful again Per ... argh, I'm jealous ... my new sustainer fretless guitar is still being worked on ... maybe I'll get it next weekend ... did it take long for you to learn to play fretless? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 07:29:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4DE3BF1F; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> From: "Chris@jtc.de" To: Subject: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:07:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7DE52.98EE7F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-RZG-AUTH: gSBzUHIFnvYRpGJuMB9l2uY7g79gUyUTWifMTNE/eNx+ijZ+VyHU6I4BHGcd X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:29:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7DE52.98EE7F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric = sound like FRIPP, when he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and = devices. But maybe someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really interested = in this at the moment. Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... SOUNDSCAPE "The Trees": Please have a look at my website. You can = download for free the Soundscape "The Trees", inspired by the beautiful nature reserve at the seaside in North = Holland. I=B4ve been there on holidays with my family recently. www.myspace.com/christojota Have a good day! Christo ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7DE52.98EE7F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can = get a similar=20 etheric, spheric sound like FRIPP, when
he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he = uses a lot of=20 processors and devices. But maybe
someone knows how to get it in a quite = cheap way. I=20 am really interested in this at the moment.
Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that=20 much...
SOUNDSCAPE "The Trees": Please have a = look at my=20 website. You can download for free the Soundscape "The = Trees",
inspired by the beautiful nature = reserve at the=20 seaside in North Holland. I=B4ve been there on
holidays with my family = recently.
www.myspace.com/christojota
Have a good day!
Christo
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7DE52.98EE7F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 07:30:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A83F3BF2A; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 595938969-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.87.97 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAJv2wEZPQVdh/2dsb2JhbACCHwSofQ Message-ID: <46C15A32.2080206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:30:58 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <023a01c7ddb1$4792ee70$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <1ea201c7ddbd$d2a69b40$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028101c7ddc1$70209a80$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46C0BEA6.4060209@unguitar.com> <36589F81-8314-46B4-A806-5E13DEC9E17B@gmail.com> <46C0CB38.5050408@unguitar.com> <809FCDAF-318B-40D5-8585-40BF8BF90026@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <809FCDAF-318B-40D5-8585-40BF8BF90026@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:41 +0000 (UTC) >> But I am always interested in learning new ways; the track you've >> posted looks like a blend between Matthias and Andre ( I mean about >> concept just !). > > I agree. Those two guys are the pure personifications of two very > different technical approaches to looping (although I think they are > very structural in a musical sense). I think it would be difficult to > combine both techniques when using the EDP because it needs to be set up > quite exclusively for Andre-type treatment. With Mobius that's easer. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Not difficult, the EDP setup can be saved to presets. ...and with the most extreme "Andre-setup" it's always possible to reach for the feedback control ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 08:35:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D353BF25; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d2cUJMrzYJY9S6Scx+v1y50dEtWeFhI9/HajwLKypJyqp+HMxu7Q7wGASxOBU5b1g2uII7pUu+7v/Akl/B3Y2MwjWp+th0pK6pwrzSw3SQj8biU7Nen4sAY2kgsTdcv6T1XCfHQW9b4+YQSJk3biSKCJjBHwRcRO16i+Xavp+xQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=AsU8fi+dzRn7K6TfykjPYUBw7KUmdp98DsjFF2UUwDBIIJ+T+z1wRg8MNUw/n5JJbCYAZ2H7B+LyClrdVuwwtz5WGGA7/ZG4FBomP83Lm8GZ7KeEoZb9IDXK8aOoD8Ci+xnc0+xQhqZUsNWNR4P0M4iFEnfFTZAljdgHvQwthBg= Message-ID: <9e0440a60708140135tcb3da5cn3c536775ef068fd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:35:24 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gigspam: New York MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50690_15043854.1187080524966" Resent-Message-ID: <2jmkU.A.tqB.OlWwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:35:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50690_15043854.1187080524966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Reminder for those in New York... Chinapainting is playing the last of their 4 recent New York area shows tomorrow evening (Wed/August 15) at... Zebulon Cafe Concert 258 Wythe Brooklyn (Williamsburg) Show starts at 9pm with Roger Lipson sitar ensemble opening... Roger Lipson, sitar Ehren Hanson, tabla Laurence Amir, tanpura Chinapainting is on at 10pm... Jim Goodin, guitars/mandolin/violin/efx Daryl Shawn, guitar/cassette tape loops Thanks Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.youtube.com/chinapainting www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic ------=_Part_50690_15043854.1187080524966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Reminder for those in New York...
 
Chinapainting is playing the last of their 4 recent New York area shows tomorrow evening (Wed/August 15) at...
 
258 Wythe
Brooklyn (Williamsburg)
 
Show starts at 9pm with Roger Lipson sitar ensemble opening...
 
Roger Lipson, sitar
Ehren Hanson, tabla
Laurence Amir, tanpura
 
Chinapainting is on at 10pm...
 
Jim Goodin, guitars/mandolin/violin/efx
Daryl Shawn, guitar/cassette tape loops
 
Thanks
 
Jim
------=_Part_50690_15043854.1187080524966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 08:46:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107813BF2A; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LoXm/TyZBoBDGwVt+EcSXqHryMt2iAYLOvPwAaQIWQF7qHSB1qhJR9dXfr4KRN3pisFA400LnGRyFDYyUOia3xuaxBgOA6D0eJrl+UsAN71Sl4Yi7V3Whv3xJMwyd57jyVaxVRlXeHIrBK8+aiw8+I8U8IufahoefSPvcCjW+Jw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JLO6VyL0r1vcwwRtnJknsqDl+EeICT4qWgi3h7dF+JLpvfbwjkAoWAcLNrLeRZ/y6Exky4DvDeast/7Zj7BABdleJuZfS26OL2F8RB7UMzfPyCEP+BdYkTX+V2HagVuygTaPieQHB+9wEmzDbMgiClTzaUC6nn8o8KdJGrJ7tAU= In-Reply-To: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> References: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F7CA0EA-E3C3-44F4-9F50-F258B66B64BF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:46:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:46:47 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2007, at 09.07, Chris@jtc.de wrote: > Hi, > QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric =20= > sound like FRIPP, when > he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and =20 > devices. But maybe > someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really =20 > interested in this at the moment. > Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... Hi Christo, Try playing with a Les Paul and use a Big Muff fuzz box. Oh... and =20 play with the neck pick-up. You may also experiment with turning down =20= the high frequencies, either by rolling off the top on the Big Muff =20 or by the tone knob on the Les Paul, or a combination. The fuzz box =20 will treat the signal differently depending on the guitars tone knob =20 setting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 08:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2553BF2F; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WPNvgaO46rQNEtkJ9Oh8i7lfs/+TEUTpdG7wL+SNv+4dfIs+X6fEvIeX2A59gS0vX6USwKqN2keKbCGHTXr/UsWNAaNAktMsB3gBRiG3izeVP1fQPEvWIwqxSSQvxZcL8RW/zp7oaIMZxFGgb1o5Tp81Us4ImPUrfT2aX57Dg2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZAPxl3HyVP5CHjCCOQ6e4tUuM1tfv65cReyPZcXXXEIwTaHCY7zyuarTgQV3oXn/xU7YwCLSFcUtwPWCoEalmTxye33zQNp9Loq/kyOZCabCQc4jNOC4RWijuKsCU0qrS7wAvZ4PSMTWc/ONQSyJvOtojqa/rF9BDi8C1iN9wNk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:59:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:59:17 +0000 (UTC) >> Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: >> http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 On 14 aug 2007, at 08.29, Michael Peters wrote: > wonderful again Per ... argh, I'm jealous ... my new sustainer > fretless > guitar is still being worked on ... maybe I'll get it next > weekend ... did > it take long for you to learn to play fretless? No. It's very easy actually, because you can slide into any micro tonal twist you long for. I think 1979 was the first time I tried fretless guitar. I got the idea from Philip Catherine who played with Larry Coryell. I did not like the way Catherine played it though, so I took off the frets from a guitar to see if it could be made to sound the way I wanted it to sound. It did not. The problem was way too short sustain and I left fretless to move on with other instruments. Then in 2002 I started to experiment with gaffa taping a tiny loudspeaker to the headstock and liked that mechanical sustain feedback very much. So when I heard from Ted Kilian, some years ago on this list, about the C model Sustainiac I though this device might be the ultimate solution for getting the fretless sound I had been hoping for back in the seventies - and this time it worked out fine. Before I slaughtered my Telecaster I read up on http:// www.unfretted.com/. Some things I discovered, that I did not know before, was that the action has to be set as low as possible,, at least for the sitar-like buzzing attack that I am going for. You also have to carefully plain the finger board and best is if you can cover it with some really hard material. So I'm hoping for making me a second fretless guitar in the future, with a finger board of some extremely hard wood, metal or glass. I like the combination of low output fender pickups on fretless because that typical dual-mic- telecaster-country-tone attack gets kind of perverted by the woody buzzing in a funny way. I've heard some fretless guitars with humbucker type pickups and really did not like that sound - kind of "too serious" sounding for my taste. Also, it seams as when playing with Sustaniac-C (the mechanical vibrator clamper thingy) I tend to like guitars that acoustically give vary short sustain, because they tend to go wilder (answer faster) to the vibrator. So I would really like to check out the Sustainiac with a jazz box some day. Hmm.... should I get a Gibson L5 and pop off the frets...? (sorry, just kidding ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:25:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B977C3BF20; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:24:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) At 10:59 AM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: >>>Just recorded this impro with my fretless electric + sustaniac: >>>http://www.looproom.com/audio/Coastline.mp3 First of all, the new track is great. I love the way that every note seems to be teetering on the edge of feedback chaos. Wonderful. >Before I slaughtered my Telecaster I read up on >http://www.unfretted.com/. Some things I discovered, that I did not >know before, was that the action has to be set as low as possible,, >at least for the sitar-like buzzing attack that I am going for. You >also have to carefully plain the finger board and best is if you can >cover it with some really hard material. So I'm hoping for making me >a second fretless guitar in the future, with a finger board of some >extremely hard wood, metal or glass. Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's another thought: go for a 12-string. I hope you might remember the references to my FrankenVox -- a Vox 12-string that I de-fretted and turned into an Electric Oud. It does a great job of simulating that sitar-like attack you mentioned. I've got the string pairs set up as dual courses, rather than octaves. Detuning them from each other helps further enhance that buzzy, chorusey element as well. I didn't use a hard lacquer on my fretboard only because I really like the feel of Rosewood, so I really can use the boost from having an extra string course. I haven't tried hooking up my Sustainiac to it (yet!!! -- your posts keep tempting me!) because I've got a Roland GK pickup on there. I can get over the sustain issue by using the VG-8/VG-99. However, with an extra string of mass on every course, I'd bet you could pull some really nice tones by putting the Sustainiac or Ebow on a fretless 12. Just a thought.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 13:58:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D53D3BF17; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bBjCvLi1/wzhDID/mnARBYqs/Kkde8nTjE5hrO4eCpUmAF4wu/QeqBoJ4fMKzXPO6xlHnoW+mx7xNnXY16rEvrsRi9fBW/xUphn+9PTtgKzIO7CfiK25N3SEs3sFhf0BiVSe+UOGoVsEgcnyXvN27u7qtHseOp4QyeChLqTHbCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nf0khT6ws5Q8M0Q0vmOuPxzy+xRwk7pGN+NOP/mQFjftM9MAXnmtaEdIvDHI+yMctq842MUDWB3uYjKAd9vNag3vS6Gai3YdQSnQpAHccnMnZq7vArf6vP+oRAygQC7/nwDCe22Eq+eXgaSgIbJUzn9cgvFkLi4BzCFH4TiIkx0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:58:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:58:14 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2007, at 15.24, Mech wrote: > Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's > another thought: go for a 12-string. That's an interesting idea! I've had an electric 12-string once, that I tuned in fifths (inspired by Lyle Mays sound when he had zithers all over the grand's top). I'v also been thinking that it would be nice to have a four string fretless, hopefully with a quite narrow finger board. You may as well get rid of the thinner, high pitched, strings for fretless, because they don't sound very interesting anyway. I'd rather play a thicker string at a low fret and create high notes by feedback overtones, since the lower neck playing position gives you better pitch control. I have yet not started using a filter pedal (wha?) in the Sustaniac-C loop, but with such a setup you can pretty much sweep the sustained feedback note through different overtones. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 14:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AF23BF16; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:43 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071424.26287.46C1BB2B00035463000066AF2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <1YKkSD.A.9J.tsbwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Christo, Along with Per's suggestion I highly recommend an E-Bow. Helps enormously! Regards, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Per Boysen > On 14 aug 2007, at 09.07, Chris@jtc.de wrote: > > > Hi, > > QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric > > sound like FRIPP, when > > he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and > > devices. But maybe > > someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really > > interested in this at the moment. > > Doesn´t use rhythms and loops that much... > > > Hi Christo, > > Try playing with a Les Paul and use a Big Muff fuzz box. Oh... and > play with the neck pick-up. You may also experiment with turning down > the high frequencies, either by rolling off the top on the Big Muff > or by the tone knob on the Les Paul, or a combination. The fuzz box > will treat the signal differently depending on the guitars tone knob > setting. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 14:43:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36C83BF11; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Re: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:43:48 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4266_1187102628_0" Resent-Message-ID: <-rnZ3.A.FaB.n-bwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4266_1187102628_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it doesn't work as a plug in should. I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a few GUI graphics ala SL. I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people looping today, it would most likely make a profit. Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: nico spahni > Hi fellow loopers > > I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the > present setup looks like: > > track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL > track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL > track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL > track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master > track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master > track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master > > All monitors: In > > With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback > levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording > volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play > simultaneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only > played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to > overcome this problem? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > Best regards from Switzerland > > Nico > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > sooperlooper-users mailing list > sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4266_1187102628_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it doesn't work as a plug in should.
I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a few GUI graphics ala SL.
I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people looping today, it would most likely make a profit.
Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out.
 
MFC
 
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From: nico spahni <nicosp@gmx.net>

> Hi fellow loopers
>
> I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the
> present setup looks like:
>
> track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL
> track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL
> track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL
> track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master
> track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master
> track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master
>
> All monitors: In
>
> With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback
> levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording
> volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play
> simul taneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only
> played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to
> overcome this problem? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards from Switzerland
>
> Nico
>
>
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4266_1187102628_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:00:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6613BF1A; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:59:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:00:03 +0000 (UTC) At 3:58 PM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: >On 14 aug 2007, at 15.24, Mech wrote: > >>Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's >>another thought: go for a 12-string. > >That's an interesting idea! I've had an electric 12-string once, >that I tuned in fifths (inspired by Lyle Mays sound when he had >zithers all over the grand's top). I'v also been thinking that it >would be nice to have a four string fretless, hopefully with a quite >narrow finger board. You may as well get rid of the thinner, high >pitched, strings for fretless, because they don't sound very >interesting anyway. I'd rather play a thicker string at a low fret >and create high notes by feedback overtones, since the lower neck >playing position gives you better pitch control. You could also try keeping 6 or 12 strings, but using a lower tuning and thicker strings. I've got mine tuned to an Arabian Oud tuning -- DGADGC -- so it is overall about two whole tones lover than a conventional guitar. That may also be a reason why it works so nicely. But you do need to make certain that you've got the action nice and low to compensate for the larger gauge strings. (In fact, I should be getting mine back from the shop later this week. It's having the action lowered/neck shimmed and the original pickups replaced; unfortunately, my luthier set it up for his action preference, rather than mine. C'est la vie.) Are you coming to L2k7 this year? I think I'll be bringing the FrankenVox and VG setup along with me to SC, and if you're coming over you're more than welcome to check it out. >I have yet not started using a filter pedal (wha?) in the >Sustaniac-C loop, but with such a setup you can pretty much sweep >the sustained feedback note through different overtones. Let us know how well that works (are you planning on using a full filter or a wah, BTW?). I always wanted to try putting an EQ or somesuch in the effect loop to manipulate the feedback, but I never had the right pedal at the right moment to try it out. And then, of course, I got distracted by something else. :P Maybe Ted has experimented with that on his Sustainiac...? --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:05:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF30F3BF2B; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:05:22 EDT Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf8.1564dc4e.33f31eb2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:05:33 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf8.1564dc4e.33f31eb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/07 4:59:43 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > should I get a Gibson L5 and pop off the frets > per.....really nice piece.....i enjoyed it mucho!.....thnaks.....as for the L5, i think it has buckers so you might want to pick another guitar.....:).....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cf8.1564dc4e.33f31eb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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per.....really nice piece.....i enjoyed it mucho!.....thnaks.....as for t= he L5, i think it has buckers so you might want to pick another guitar.....:= ).....m



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cf8.1564dc4e.33f31eb2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 15:55:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5A013BF28; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XqN0eTqqo6rM7yZB/h4gzXwGuo2Yj2F/8l+0p2uDf9cBY3GmXWN9TB4YXCk9hRx8Lq4YNG8FEwmwcVR2Zf06+ml075Uged6skSRusoNx8Cf+yjlWH36uqwETl9gQC5xb1tl/F2gLNn0SUwRgoQ+MmwZcurL2TpBZ6ByQmkYNJ9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LI+nMaIDk3y5gVMC2k6rijGphYyC5f+WLHGpjntjDAswRUiTaSrCR+5Rj7i7XJdDSYZgssdI3lKdhozOecgyPmOHyc+zSKjn3x5iwaExB6PFwqWxY4bEtVnxgHA5Qev3xRKqmmVZOcpW8CD+8zUbARI7nRcgBmOjOvVG+zCKVWc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BA4515B-5F64-4FAC-8192-AEF9B6ED7554@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:55:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:55:40 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2007, at 16.59, Mech wrote: > I've got mine tuned to an Arabian Oud tuning -- DGADGC -- so it is > overall about two whole tones lover than a conventional guitar. Nice idea. With fretless I think I'll tune the strings at the pitch as they sound best. > But you do need to make certain that you've got the action nice > and low to compensate for the larger gauge strings. I use low action because it sounds better on fretless. Larger gauge strings is also my choice for the sound they give. Especially when using a flint stone pick. > (In fact, I should be getting mine back from the shop later this > week. It's having the action lowered/neck shimmed and the original > pickups replaced; Will you post about it later? Would be nice to hear from your experience with that instrument. > Are you coming to L2k7 this year? I'm afraid thats not financially possible this year ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 16:34:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209073BF21; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 763367268 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25B0F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <64A6CB25-41B9-463B-A601-F13D4A4D7148@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Thread-Index: AcfekPzNGu0OZUpwS/OQVWYfg4xNKg== References: <64A6CB25-41B9-463B-A601-F13D4A4D7148@gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2007 16:34:32.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDFE8040:01C7DE90] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:34:44 +0000 (UTC) this weekend I was doing both just by whacking the tap-tempo button on the front of my repeater. am I missing something? the repeater has controllers &/or programme change numbers for tempo control too. btw, the v2 software is quite cool- I was able to tell that, with small tempo changes, the audio artefacts are much reduced. the tape-emulation controller (changes speed & pitch together) is quite fun. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946543BF21; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A792@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Topic: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Thread-Index: AcfegYnbixyzA+DARuq8GpMeFuQ3SgABaMIw References: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:12:00 +0000 (UTC) > This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands > of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, > native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we > need it to. =20 Hey what's that on the ground, is it a gauntlet? :-) =20 The quick answer is that it is incredibly difficult to create a looper with all the "bells and whistles" and you could not possibly sell enough of them to cover the costs of a typical engineer working for a few years. That's why I doubt you will ever see one from Ableton, Native Instruments, Steinberg, etc. =20 What you're left with are hobbyists that tinker with loopers in their spare time as a labor of love. They have maybe a few hours a day to invest, so something a corporation could throw an engineer at 8 hours a day for a year stretches out to 10 years, assuming they can even maintain their interest for that long. =20 Most VST plugins are actually quite simple. They have some core DSP algorithms that are difficult to design, but the code that implements them is relatively small. The majority of VST plugins for Windows are written using SynthEdit which is a sort of like a simplified Max/MSP. This makes it easy for anyone that understands DSP algorithms to toss out a plugin in a week. =20 It would be more accurate to compare a full-featured looper to a=20 multi-track DAW, and there aren't very many of those. =20 What you may see someday if looping increases in popularity is a=20 corporation scooping up a shareware looper, adding some of that good ol' corporate polish and just giving it away as part of a package. Mackie did this with Tracktion to help sell hardware. =20 =20 > I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of > people looping today, it would most likely make a profit. =20 Not to belabor the point but I am constantly being told that people would pay "good money" for a more commercial version of Mobius, a Mac, port, some special feature, etc. Let's make a business plan: =20 It is not uncommon for a senior software developer in California (not where I live) to make around $100,000 a year or more. The self-employed do not get health insurance in the US, so that adds another $10,000 for a family plan and you lose perks like a 401K, free training, conferences, etc. So let's set the "cost" of an engineer at around $125,000 per year. This is what you're going to have to compete with if you hope to lure someone away from their jobs at Oracle or Microsoft. =20 Software developers work at different rates, but I would estimate an average engineer working alone would require at least a year to start from scratch and build a full featured cross-platform looper, and when I say "full featured" I'm setting the bar high. And that's just to write it. Then you've got to test it, which is also extremely difficult. The slightest change requires stopping and testing hundreds of little pieces of functionality to make sure you didn't break something. Double that if you support both Mac and Windows. You will need a "beta test" program involving other people that must be willing to donate their time, or you must pay them. =20 Let's be conservative and say it will take 2 man-years to create the worlds most amazing looper. That's $250,000 in engineering costs you have to clear before you see "profit". =20 If we price it at $250 we'll break even after selling a thousand. I'm sure that some of the people on this list would consider paying that much but I don't think we're an accurate indicator of the size of the mass market. I remember hearing there were around 400 list members and if you are serious enough to want the worlds most ultimate looper, you're probably already here. =20 A more popular price would be $100. So now we have to sell 2,500 to break even. How long will that take? For the last two years you've been living off venture capital or a loan that you still have to pay back. Now you have to start marketing, paying for adds in magazines, flying to trade shows, answering phone calls. It could take another year before you've paid off the loans. =20 Now its profit time! Assuming we even get here, if you don't get sustained sales of 1,000 units per year your wife will start complaining about how much better it was at your old job. Eventually the market will saturate and sales will taper off. Meanwhile you're on the phone a lot giving technical support to people who are "new to this whole MIDI thing". =20 No engineer in their right mind is going to quit their job and speculate on making a comparable living writing looping software. Then again, no engineer in their right mind would write looping software and give it away for free, or so says my wife :-) =20 Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:19:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2BB03BF2A; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:53 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071719.742.46C1E4390001BBD8000002E62216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_742_1187111993_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:55 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_742_1187111993_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You are probably right. It just seems that most of the work is already done. Most hardware loopers are basically software installed on chassis with preconfigured setups. But your right, money talks, bullshit loopers walk. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jeff Larson" > > This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands > > of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, > > native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we > > need it to. > > Hey what's that on the ground, is it a gauntlet? :-) > > The quick answer is that it is incredibly difficult to create a looper > with all the "bells and whistles" and you could not possibly sell > enough of them to cover the costs of a typical engineer working for a > few years. That's why I doubt you will ever see one from Ableton, > Native Instruments, Steinberg, etc. > > What you're left with are hobbyists that tinker with loopers in their > spare time as a labor of love. They have maybe a few hours a day to > invest, so something a corporation could throw an engineer at 8 hours > a day for a year stretches out to 10 years, assuming they can even > maintain their interest for that long. > > Most VST plugins are actually quite simple. They have some core DSP > algorithms that are difficult to design, but the code that implements > them is relatively small. The majority of VST plugins for Windows are > written using SynthEdit which is a sort of like a simplified Max/MSP. > This makes it easy for anyone that understands DSP algorithms to toss > out a plugin in a week. > > It would be more accurate to compare a full-featured looper to a > multi-track DAW, and there aren't very many of those. > > What you may see someday if looping increases in popularity is a > corporation scooping up a shareware looper, adding some of that > good ol' corporate polish and just giving it away as part of > a package. Mackie did this with Tracktion to help sell hardware. > > > I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of > > people looping today, it would most likely make a profit. > > Not to belabor the point but I am constantly being told that people > would pay "good money" for a more commercial version of Mobius, a Mac, > port, some special feature, etc. Let's make a business plan: > > It is not uncommon for a senior software developer in California (not > where I live) to make around $100,000 a year or more. The > self-employed do not get health insurance in the US, so that adds > another $10,000 for a family plan and you lose perks like a 401K, free > training, conferences, etc. So let's set the "cost" of an engineer at > around $125,000 per year. This is what you're going to have to > compete with if you hope to lure someone away from their jobs at > Oracle or Microsoft. > > Software developers work at different rates, but I would estimate an > average engineer working alone would require at least a year to start > from scratch and build a full featured cross-platform looper, and when > I say "full featured" I'm setting the bar high. And that's just to > write it. Then you've got to test it, which is also extremely > difficult. The slightest change requires stopping and testing > hundreds of little pieces of functionality to make sure you didn't > break something. Double that if you support both Mac and Windows. > You will need a "beta test" program involving other people that must > be willing to donate their time, or you must pay them. > > Let's be conservative and say it will take 2 man-years to create the > worlds most amazing looper. That's $250,000 in engineering costs you > have to clear before you see "profit". > > If we price it at $250 we'll break even after selling a thousand. I'm > sure that some of the people on this list would consider paying that > much but I don't think we're an accurate indicator of the size of the > mass market. I remember hearing there were around 400 list members > and if you are serious enough to want the worlds most ultimate looper, > you're probably already here. > > A more popular price would be $100. So now we have to sell 2,500 to > break even. How long will that take? For the last two years you've > been living off venture capital or a loan that you still have to pay > back. Now you have to start marketing, paying for adds in magazines, > flying to trade shows, answering phone calls. It could take another > year before you've paid off the loans. > > Now its profit time! Assuming we even get here, if you don't get > sustained sales of 1,000 units per year your wife will start > complaining about how much better it was at your old job. Eventually > the market will saturate and sales will taper off. Meanwhile you're > on the phone a lot giving technical support to people who are "new to > this whole MIDI thing". > > No engineer in their right mind is going to quit their job and > speculate on making a comparable living writing looping software. > Then again, no engineer in their right mind would write looping > software and give it away for free, or so says my wife :-) > > Regards, > Jeff > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_742_1187111993_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
You are probably right. It just seems that most of the work is already done. Most hardware loopers are basically software installed on chassis with preconfigured setups. But your right, money talks, bullshit loopers walk.
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Larson" <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>

> > This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands
> > of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform,
> > native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we
> > need it to.
>
> Hey what's that on the ground, is it a gauntlet? :-)
>
> The quick answer is that it is incredibly difficult to create a looper
> with all the "bells and whistles" and you could not possibly sell
> enough of them to cover the costs of a typical engineer working for a
> few years. That's why I doubt you will ever see one from Ableton,
> Native Instruments, Steinberg, etc.
>
> What you're left with are hobbyists that tinker with loopers in their
> spare time as a labor of love. They have maybe a few hours a day to
> invest, so something a corporation could throw an engineer at 8 hours
> a day for a year stretches out to 10 years, assuming they can even
> maintain their interest for that long.
>
> Most VST plugins are actually quite simple. They have some core DSP
> algorithms that are difficult to design, but the code that implements
> them is relatively small. The majority of VST plugins for Windows are
> written using SynthEdit which is a sort of like a simplified Max/MSP.
> This makes it easy for anyone that understands DSP algorithms to toss
> out a plugin in a week.
>
> It would be more accurate to compare a full-featured looper to a
> multi-track DAW, and there aren't very many of those.
>
> What you may see someday if looping increases in popularity is a
> corporation scooping up a shareware looper, add ing some of that
> good ol' corporate polish and just giving it away as part of
> a package. Mackie did this with Tracktion to help sell hardware.
>
> > I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of
> > people looping today, it would most likely make a profit.
>
> Not to belabor the point but I am constantly being told that people
> would pay "good money" for a more commercial version of Mobius, a Mac,
> port, some special feature, etc. Let's make a business plan:
>
> It is not uncommon for a senior software developer in California (not
> where I live) to make around $100,000 a year or more. The
> self-employed do not get health insurance in the US, so that adds
> another $10,000 for a family plan and you lose perks like a 401K, free
> training, conferences, etc. So let's set the "cost" of an engineer at
> around $125,000 per year. This is what you're going to have to
> compete with if you hope to lure someone away from their jobs at
> Oracle or Microsoft.
>
> Software developers work at different rates, but I would estimate an
> average engineer working alone would require at least a year to start
> from scratch and build a full featured cross-platform looper, and when
> I say "full featured" I'm setting the bar high. And that's just to
> write it. Then you've got to test it, which is also extremely
> difficult. The slightest change requires stopping and testing
> hundreds of little pieces of functionality to make sure you didn't
> break something. Double that if you support both Mac and Windows.
> You will need a "beta test" program involving other people that must
> be willing to donate their time, or you must pay them.
>
> Let's be conservative and say it will take 2 man-years to create the
> worlds most am azing looper. That's $250,000 in engineering costs you
> have to clear before you see "profit".
>
> If we price it at $250 we'll break even after selling a thousand. I'm
> sure that some of the people on this list would consider paying that
> much but I don't think we're an accurate indicator of the size of the
> mass market. I remember hearing there were around 400 list members
> and if you are serious enough to want the worlds most ultimate looper,
> you're probably already here.
>
> A more popular price would be $100. So now we have to sell 2,500 to
> break even. How long will that take? For the last two years you've
> been living off venture capital or a loan that you still have to pay
> back. Now you have to start marketing, paying for adds in magazines,
> flying to trade shows, answering phone calls. It could take another
> year before you've paid off the loans.
> < BR>> Now its profit time! Assuming we even get here, if you don't get
> sustained sales of 1,000 units per year your wife will start
> complaining about how much better it was at your old job. Eventually
> the market will saturate and sales will taper off. Meanwhile you're
> on the phone a lot giving technical support to people who are "new to
> this whole MIDI thing".
>
> No engineer in their right mind is going to quit their job and
> speculate on making a comparable living writing looping software.
> Then again, no engineer in their right mind would write looping
> software and give it away for free, or so says my wife :-)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_742_1187111993_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:32:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF2DC3BF2A; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <203401c7de99$0f4ebf10$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A792@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:32:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Good analysis, Jeff. And now the realities of the software business and profit generation sink in. The good thing about Software technology, which is why it is such a hot solution in the IT industry (REALLY hot), is that after you build the product, then you simply have to maintain, market, and support it...unlike with hardware, where you continuously have to factor out materials in your profit margin. In the PC industry, for instance, companies make on an average of $15 per laptop, after all costs are factored in. With software, once you pay for the R&D, then you getting close to pure profit after that (minus cost of sales, including marketing, support). So, I think your analysis is actually quite optimistic, relative to a hardware product analysis. Major fortunte 500 companies are shifting more toward software solution and services solutions to generate long term profit and growth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands > of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, > native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we > need it to. Hey what's that on the ground, is it a gauntlet? :-) The quick answer is that it is incredibly difficult to create a looper with all the "bells and whistles" and you could not possibly sell enough of them to cover the costs of a typical engineer working for a few years. That's why I doubt you will ever see one from Ableton, Native Instruments, Steinberg, etc. What you're left with are hobbyists that tinker with loopers in their spare time as a labor of love. They have maybe a few hours a day to invest, so something a corporation could throw an engineer at 8 hours a day for a year stretches out to 10 years, assuming they can even maintain their interest for that long. Most VST plugins are actually quite simple. They have some core DSP algorithms that are difficult to design, but the code that implements them is relatively small. The majority of VST plugins for Windows are written using SynthEdit which is a sort of like a simplified Max/MSP. This makes it easy for anyone that understands DSP algorithms to toss out a plugin in a week. It would be more accurate to compare a full-featured looper to a multi-track DAW, and there aren't very many of those. What you may see someday if looping increases in popularity is a corporation scooping up a shareware looper, adding some of that good ol' corporate polish and just giving it away as part of a package. Mackie did this with Tracktion to help sell hardware. > I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of > people looping today, it would most likely make a profit. Not to belabor the point but I am constantly being told that people would pay "good money" for a more commercial version of Mobius, a Mac, port, some special feature, etc. Let's make a business plan: It is not uncommon for a senior software developer in California (not where I live) to make around $100,000 a year or more. The self-employed do not get health insurance in the US, so that adds another $10,000 for a family plan and you lose perks like a 401K, free training, conferences, etc. So let's set the "cost" of an engineer at around $125,000 per year. This is what you're going to have to compete with if you hope to lure someone away from their jobs at Oracle or Microsoft. Software developers work at different rates, but I would estimate an average engineer working alone would require at least a year to start from scratch and build a full featured cross-platform looper, and when I say "full featured" I'm setting the bar high. And that's just to write it. Then you've got to test it, which is also extremely difficult. The slightest change requires stopping and testing hundreds of little pieces of functionality to make sure you didn't break something. Double that if you support both Mac and Windows. You will need a "beta test" program involving other people that must be willing to donate their time, or you must pay them. Let's be conservative and say it will take 2 man-years to create the worlds most amazing looper. That's $250,000 in engineering costs you have to clear before you see "profit". If we price it at $250 we'll break even after selling a thousand. I'm sure that some of the people on this list would consider paying that much but I don't think we're an accurate indicator of the size of the mass market. I remember hearing there were around 400 list members and if you are serious enough to want the worlds most ultimate looper, you're probably already here. A more popular price would be $100. So now we have to sell 2,500 to break even. How long will that take? For the last two years you've been living off venture capital or a loan that you still have to pay back. Now you have to start marketing, paying for adds in magazines, flying to trade shows, answering phone calls. It could take another year before you've paid off the loans. Now its profit time! Assuming we even get here, if you don't get sustained sales of 1,000 units per year your wife will start complaining about how much better it was at your old job. Eventually the market will saturate and sales will taper off. Meanwhile you're on the phone a lot giving technical support to people who are "new to this whole MIDI thing". No engineer in their right mind is going to quit their job and speculate on making a comparable living writing looping software. Then again, no engineer in their right mind would write looping software and give it away for free, or so says my wife :-) Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 17:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 121973BF30; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BwR/pK0vTKp05xlkMT+OFiw/2VOLTieOylIh3UpFonPhDAJqkbASLeqGxxhIOkw7N1Eb63tAsaQtdg7MjIRHgi+B5NqaTy1Fq4WZS1cbK5mAukgCCXBXuJyEaYvJZ7IvOWK6dm8Fdff46eksOqzc4AmbEPl+H+4KskgnK4etHmg=; X-YMail-OSG: Vvbt0OsVM1lff8c25YLghoS3FJBztRjG7P4KsEBYMR6Y8rWCAXrHlejzZXkLqWSEDc4wtiuHpRvecCoCIK1XdAIoR4h_mdRLPjPTkPnO8FTm03ZbVBF3 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-529967506-1187113302=:18671" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <182007.18671.qm@web88303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-iOHH.A.QfE.WlewGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:41:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-529967506-1187113302=:18671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just bought an EDP and it is on the way, I was wondering if the FCB-1010 is a better option then the EFC-7 to control my greatly anticipated EDP Are the manuals comprehensive enough for me to be able to use the FCB-1010 to control the EDP with out any previous knowledge of midi? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to make a purchase very soon Jason --0-529967506-1187113302=:18671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just bought an EDP and it is on the way, I was wondering if the FCB-1010 is a better option then the EFC-7 to control my greatly anticipated EDP
 
Are the manuals comprehensive enough for me to be able to use the FCB-1010 to control the EDP with out any previous knowledge of midi?
 
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to make a purchase very soon
 
Jason
 
 
--0-529967506-1187113302=:18671-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:30:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A38513BF16; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OgvIeZNbxpxugCNAIAJgj+ODiL5UDfx/S1gekm3ckA26Q+gjpu7XEX08Fy2k3dewQ6qIEfrrkpnUfAG8alAEOFXcsQdskR4F2Rq/8QPK3OcJaIj/Ki3e8eGJymIpbh5Rl9K/wGhjxuU4strLzcxOcz9S5CWqJhzNkxNjxVXTMwY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oRTMvFwlEieTTd8ZCqIaXE5B5z/dPXJ8TLYoS0lr4CdYHux4RFm7BDpJ+1nvB/Ge3gG+WpwuxBvl6qpXbmS2U6G9jzs00pEDiUXTaMNgqSt79myG0k2uo9o5lxOKFQAWg+EUnxKubwsBQja6YUIIIQkP7vcfCIsGQgyM8VIEAOc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25B0F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <64A6CB25-41B9-463B-A601-F13D4A4D7148@gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25B0F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <099E5D9F-3DA2-463B-B374-6BC99001D1CC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:30:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:30:53 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2007, at 18.34, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > this weekend I was doing both just by whacking the tap-tempo button on > the front of my repeater. am I missing something? the repeater has > controllers &/or programme change numbers for tempo control too. > > btw, the v2 software is quite cool- I was able to tell that, with > small > tempo changes, the audio artefacts are much reduced. the tape- > emulation > controller (changes speed & pitch together) is quite fun. > > duncan. Yes, I did that too back when I had a repeater. I never got to find a way to really play the tempo as part of the musical looping performance. A tap tempo pedal might work in a technical sense but to keep tapping all through instant tempo changes it would interfere with the need to kick other pedals for looping commands. The best controller I can imagine for instant tempo control would be a beam that, when activated, reads where in space you hold your instrument. This controller should need to work with big gestures, so you won't accidently change a sudden fifteen BPM just because you slipped a tiny bit. Normal MDI expression pedals just don't have the physical resolution fit for tempo control. I could also think about some one meter long floor based rail sensor - yeah, that would be cool. Would work fine with the repeater or any other (future) looper that does time-stretching as good. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:33:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2C83BF22; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:33:26 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071833.13408.46C1F57600067140000034602216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13408_1187116406_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:33:28 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13408_1187116406_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The FCB is great. The documentation sucks. If you have no previous knowledge of Midi, you are in for a wild ride. My advice, Clear your schedule, get a software editor for the FCB, join the FCB group on yahoo. Search the LD archive for this subject and have fun. See you on the other side. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: JASON CASKENTTE I just bought an EDP and it is on the way, I was wondering if the FCB-1010 is a better option then the EFC-7 to control my greatly anticipated EDP Are the manuals comprehensive enough for me to be able to use the FCB-1010 to control the EDP with out any previous knowledge of midi? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to make a purchase very soon Jason --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13408_1187116406_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The FCB is great. The documentation sucks. If you have no previous knowledge of Midi, you are in for a wild ride. My advice,
Clear your schedule, get a software editor for the FCB, join the FCB group on yahoo. Search the LD archive for this subject and have fun.
See you on the other side.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: JASON CASKENTTE <jcaskenette@rogers.com>
I just bought an EDP and it is on the way, I was wondering if the FCB-1010 is a better option then the EFC-7 to control my greatly anticipated EDP
 
Are the manuals comprehensive enough for me to be able to use the FCB-1010 to control the EDP with out any previous knowledge of midi?
 
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to make a purchase very soon
 
Jason
 
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13408_1187116406_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 18:55:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB373BF2E; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:55:21 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c7dea4$b0205420$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfeT7coVFwITuTXRkeibjao4UdelgAVFIjg In-Reply-To: <8F7CA0EA-E3C3-44F4-9F50-F258B66B64BF@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:55:39 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure exactly which of his sounds you're looking for, but a = cheaper solution to the sustainiac is a good old Ebow. Make sure you've got a = real or virtual volume pedal before your echo/reverb but after your fuzz/distortion. Add a harmonizer that's got a way to control pitch and feedback in real time (a midi control pedal will probably be needed) and = you are on your way. The Boss VH-1 (which I always promote) can do most of these things and can be found cheap on ebay. $200 or so. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download=20 On 14 aug 2007, at 09.07, Chris@jtc.de wrote: > Hi, > QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric =20 > sound like FRIPP, when > he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and =20 > devices. But maybe > someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really =20 > interested in this at the moment. > Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... Hi Christo, Try playing with a Les Paul and use a Big Muff fuzz box. Oh... and =20 play with the neck pick-up. You may also experiment with turning down =20 the high frequencies, either by rolling off the top on the Big Muff =20 or by the tone knob on the Les Paul, or a combination. The fuzz box =20 will treat the signal differently depending on the guitars tone knob =20 setting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 19:06:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5069F3BF17; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> References: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-505300282 Message-Id: <10327EDD-8B49-4177-B895-FFA6CD687F1E@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:06:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:06:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-505300282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I don't know exactly how RF does it but my approach is to use a lot =20 of finger vibrato to keep the note moving and two delay lines. One short one (with low feedback) and a longer one with higher feedback. On the front end I use a Fuzz Factory pedal and an octaver. I roll the tone and volume back on the guitar (to around 70%) and =20 almost always use a telecaster with a neck pickup. If my finger vibrato starts to weaken then I dial the guitar volume =20 up a bit. I love telecasters because of the metal neck pickup cover- you can =20 tap it, scrape it and so all sorts of rhythmic stuff to it that =20 sounds great. Pickup taps pitched down an octave sound like wood blocks. That is a starting point- there are a bunch of other boxes that I use =20= as well- Lexicon vortex has some great sounds in it and I use a =20 computer loaded with Reaktor when doing some live work. Regards, Jim Richmond On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Chris@jtc.de wrote: > QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric =20= > sound like FRIPP, when > he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and =20 > devices. But maybe > someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really =20 > interested in this at the moment. > Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... --Apple-Mail-15-505300282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't know exactly how RF does = it but my approach is to use a lot of finger vibrato to keep the note = moving and two delay lines.
One short one (with low feedback) and a = longer one with higher feedback.
On the front end I use a = Fuzz Factory pedal and an octaver.

I roll the tone and volume = back on the guitar (to around 70%) and almost always use a telecaster = with a neck pickup.
If my finger vibrato starts to weaken then = I dial the guitar volume up a bit.

I love telecasters because = of the metal neck pickup cover- you can tap it, scrape it and so all = sorts of rhythmic stuff to it that sounds great.
Pickup taps = pitched down an octave sound like wood blocks.

That is a starting point- = there are a bunch of other boxes that I use as well- Lexicon vortex has = some great sounds in it and I use a computer loaded with Reaktor when = doing some live work.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond

On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:07 = AM, Chris@jtc.de wrote:

QUESTION: Does anyone = know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric sound like FRIPP, = when
someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I = am really interested in this at the = moment.
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download In-Reply-To: <10327EDD-8B49-4177-B895-FFA6CD687F1E@jamesrichmond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17525_21782682.1187119399552" References: <00f901c7de45$5054e880$2302a8c0@chris> <10327EDD-8B49-4177-B895-FFA6CD687F1E@jamesrichmond.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:23:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17525_21782682.1187119399552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric sound like FRIPP, when he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and devices. But maybe someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really interested in this at the moment. Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... < Get thee some Eventides. http://www.musicgearreview.com/article-display/2154.html If you don't have a zillion dollars to spend, then I'd suggest one of the Roland GR synths, some kind of delay/loop pedal (Boss DD20 is a good choice= ) and an multi-effect with some nice reverbs. Someone suggested the VH-1 and that's a good choice. The Behringer Virtualizer is a cheap solution. The Vortex is a great choice too. Fripp also uses an Fernandes Sustainer system. First I pick a nice shooshy synth patch, then I either use the delay set to a long delay with a very very long decay time, or a sample and hold looper (like a RC20XL). Run that into a reverb (I use a Roland RSP550) unit. And off I go... Tony On 8/14/07, James Richmond wrote: > > I don't know exactly how RF does it but my approach is to use a lot of finger vibrato to keep the note moving and two delay lines. > One short one (with low feedback) and a longer one with higher feedback. > > > On the front end I use a Fuzz Factory pedal and an octaver. > > > I roll the tone and volume back on the guitar (to around 70%) and almost always use a telecaster with a neck pickup. > If my finger vibrato starts to weaken then I dial the guitar volume up a bit. > > > I love telecasters because of the metal neck pickup cover- you can tap it= , scrape it and so all sorts of rhythmic stuff to it that sounds great. > Pickup taps pitched down an octave sound like wood blocks. > > > That is a starting point- there are a bunch of other boxes that I use as well- Lexicon vortex has some great sounds in it and I use a computer loade= d with Reaktor when doing some live work. > > > Regards, > > > Jim Richmond > > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Chris@jtc.de wrote: > > > QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric sound like FRIPP, when > he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and devices= . But maybe > someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way. I am really interested in this at the moment. > Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much... > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony ------=_Part_17525_21782682.1187119399552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
>QUESTION: Does anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric= sound like FRIPP, when
he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot = of processors and devices. But maybe
someone knows how to get it in a qu= ite cheap way. I am really interested in this at the moment.
Doesn=B4t use rhythms and loops that much...
<

Get thee so= me Eventides.  

http://www.musicgearreview.com/article-display/2= 154.html

If you don't have a zillion dollars to spend, then I'd sugg= est one of the Roland GR synths, some kind of delay/loop pedal (Boss DD20 i= s a good choice) and an multi-effect with some nice reverbs.  Someone = suggested the VH-1 and that's a good choice.  The Behringer Virtua= lizer is a cheap solution.  The Vortex is a great choice too.

Fripp also uses an Fernandes Sustainer system.

First I pick = a nice shooshy synth patch, then I either use the delay set to a long delay= with a very very long decay time, or a sample and hold looper (like a RC20= XL).  Run that into a reverb (I use a Roland RSP550) unit.=20

And off I go...

Tony

On 8/14/07, James Richmond <<= a href=3D"mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com">yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.c= om> wrote:
>
> I don't know exactly how RF does it = but my approach is to use a lot of finger vibrato to keep the note moving a= nd two delay lines.
> One short one (with low feedback) and a longer one with higher fee= dback.
>
>
> On the front end I use a Fuzz Factory peda= l and an octaver.
>
>
> I roll the tone and volume back= on the guitar (to around 70%) and almost always use a telecaster with a ne= ck pickup.
> If my finger vibrato starts to weaken then I dial the guitar volum= e up a bit.
>
>
> I love telecasters because of the met= al neck pickup cover- you can tap it, scrape it and so all sorts of rhythmi= c stuff to it that sounds great.
> Pickup taps pitched down an octave sound like wood blocks.
>=
>
> That is a starting point- there are a bunch of other box= es that I use as well- Lexicon vortex has some great sounds in it and I use= a computer loaded with Reaktor when doing some live work.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Jim Richmond=
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Chris@jtc.de wrote:
>
>
> QUESTION: Do= es anyone know how I can get a similar etheric, spheric sound like FRIPP, w= hen
> he is doing his soundscapes. Sure he uses a lot of processors and = devices. But maybe
> someone knows how to get it in a quite cheap way= . I am really interested in this at the moment.
> Doesn=B4t use rhyth= ms and loops that much...
>



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Tony=20 ------=_Part_17525_21782682.1187119399552-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 19:26:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E543BF3C; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070814121446.00e25c80@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:25:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels In-Reply-To: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A05 0C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-76292613; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46C2027943EB=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:26:50 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46C2027943EB======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_320336199==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-76292613 --=====================_320336199==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-76292613 Quoth thee... Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out. Most people seem to also agree on essentially, what a preamp etc. should do, whereas with a looper, the *only* thing that most people seem to agree on is that it be able to loop in some fashion. :) -And the style / method / object etc. of the looping is still debated. Two points really come to mind for me here; one is that since the loopers have such varied uses from simple looping, the feature sets need to be vast to please most artists, and as the artists are creative, they may find they would like a feature that hasn't been thought of by the creator of the device... The second point is that even with preamps and such, there are vast amounts of them on the market with all sorts of sound characteristics, so it could also be suggested that not every preamp manufacturer gets it right either, as not every sound profile may appeal to every musician's tastes?... Yes?... -Just my thoughts of course; thanks for the interesting post... Smiles, Cara :) At 02:43 PM 8/14/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, >we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night >to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and >select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just >how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, >nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and >whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be >that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it >doesn't work as a plug in should. >I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all >the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a >few GUI graphics ala SL. >I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people >looping today, it would most likely make a profit. >Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are >limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or >even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out. > >MFC > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: nico spahni > > > Hi fellow loopers > > > > I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the > > present setup looks like: > > > > track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL > > track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL > > track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL > > track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master > > track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master > > track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master > > > > All monitors: In > > > > With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback > > levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording > > volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play > > simul taneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only > > played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to > > overcome this problem? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > > > Best regards from Switzerland > > > > Nico > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > sooperlooper-users mailing list > > sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users > > > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 >4:53 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_320336199==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-76292613   Quoth thee...

Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric
devices, they seem to figure everything out.

Most people seem to also agree on essentially, what a preamp etc. should do, whereas with a looper, the *only* thing that most people seem to agree on is that it be able to loop in some fashion.  :)  -And the style / method / object etc. of the looping is still debated. 

  Two points really come to mind for me here; one is that since the loopers have such varied uses from simple looping, the feature sets need to be vast to please most artists, and as the artists are creative, they may find they would like a feature that hasn't been thought of by the creator of the device...

The second point is that even with preamps and such, there are vast amounts of them on the market with all sorts of sound characteristics, so it could also be suggested that not every preamp manufacturer gets it right either, as not every sound profile may appeal to every musician's tastes?...  Yes?...

-Just my thoughts of course; thanks for the interesting post...

Smiles,

Cara  :)


At 02:43 PM 8/14/2007 +0000, you wrote:

Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it doesn't work as a plug in should.
I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a few GUI graphics ala SL.
I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people looping today, it would most likely make a profit.
Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: nico spahni <nicosp@gmx.net>

> Hi fellow loopers
>
> I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the
> present setup looks like:
>
> track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL
> track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL
> track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL
> track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master
> track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master
> track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master
>
> All monitors: In
>
> With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback
> levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording
> volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play
> simul taneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only
> played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to
> overcome this problem? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards from Switzerland
>
> Nico
>
>
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Create a max/msp patch = that:
 
a) plays a pre-recorded whole note = played on=20 your guitar (any note)
b) randomly applies massive layered = delays,=20 chorusing, and pitch shifting to the input (with a quasi cello like = tone=20 quality)
c) loops it on multiple tracks with = random fade=20 in/outs, and poly harmonic textures
d) records the whole process direct to = hard drive=20 for your next CD
 
....then walk away and have a nice cold = pint of=20 ale.
 
Then you might consider using some = really sappy=20 song titles that tap into your feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", = "bathed=20 in beauty", "Infinite sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. = :)
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_2062_01C7DE77.D84E67C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 19:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 604603BF4B; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:37:23 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071937.17295.46C204730006015C0000438F2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > Create a max/msp patch that: > > a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) > b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch shifting to the > input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) > c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly harmonic > textures > d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD > > ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. > > Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that tap into your > feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", "Infinite > sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) > > Kris > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:34:49 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Create a max/msp patch = that:
 
a) plays a pre-recorded whole note = played on=20 your guitar (any note)
b) randomly applies massive layered = delays,=20 chorusing, and pitch shifting to the input (with a quasi cello like = tone=20 quality)
c) loops it on multiple tracks with = random fade=20 in/outs, and poly harmonic textures
d) records the whole process direct to = hard drive=20 for your next CD
 
....then walk away and have a nice cold = pint of=20 ale.
 
Then you might consider using some = really sappy=20 song titles that tap into your feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", = "bathed=20 in beauty", "Infinite sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. = :)
 
Kris
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17295_1187120243_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 19:46:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7FE3BF5B; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081420071937.17295.46C204730006015C0000438F2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:46:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8_QtdC.A.nPD.FagwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max patch though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for those who slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left behind to pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music genre curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Krispen Hartung >> Create a max/msp patch that: >> >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch shifting >> to the >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly >> harmonic >> textures >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD >> >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. >> >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that tap into >> your >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", "Infinite >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) >> >> Kris >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:06:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24153BF3B; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:17 +0000 Message-Id: <081420072006.441.46C20B3900019058000001B92200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) No apology needed! You were painfully close to the truth, I think. He doesn't appear to have quite left it behind yet, btw - he just releaseed a new one called, "The End of Time". Just released in the US, anyway. Was recorded in 2006. Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max patch > though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for those who > slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left behind to > pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music genre > curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:06:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D329D3BF3F; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:06:52 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" In-Reply-To: <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1pcD-D.A.aQE.gtgwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Just released today . . . Yeah, yeah, I know he doesn't loop all that much any more. But, his stuff is often stunningly musical. Check it out: http://www.floratone.com/album/index.htm Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max patch= =20 > though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for those w= ho=20 > slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left behind = to=20 > pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music ge= nre=20 > curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! >=20 > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Krispen Hartung >=20 > >> Create a max/msp patch that: > >> > >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) > >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch shift= ing=20 > >> to the > >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) > >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly=20 > >> harmonic > >> textures > >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD > >> > >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. > >> > >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that tap i= nto=20 > >> your > >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", "Infinite > >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) > >> > >> Kris > >> > > > > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:13:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51DD43BF44; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A80A@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070814121446.00e25c80@mail.onemodelplace.com> Thread-Topic: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Thread-Index: AcfeqRPkijtV+nIoTJWjo81w7Ihk7gAA4CYQ References: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A05 0C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20070814121446.00e25c80@mail.onemodelplace.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:13:50 +0000 (UTC) From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net > It just seems that most of the work is already done. Most hardware > loopers are basically software installed on chassis with preconfigured > setups. =20 This is a common misconception. Hardware loopers don't run Windows or OSX. There is absolutely no similarity between the assembly code written for the EDP or the Repeater and the C++ code you have to write to make a VST plugin. You could reuse the concepts and maybe a basic high level architecture, but you'd be pretty much starting from scratch. =20 The Looperlative is an exception since it is C++ code running on Linux. It would be more feasible to port that but you've still got lots of new issues to worry about like writing a cross-platform graphical user interface and testing with 50 different VST hosts. =20 From: Cara Quinn > Two points really come to mind for me here; one is that since the > loopers have such varied uses from simple looping, the feature sets > need to be vast to please most artists =20 Amen.=20 =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:16:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8796C3BF4E; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A80E@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Topic: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Thread-Index: Acfeq8cJfFKH1oLNSzeATAutil+XJgAA/vbQ References: <081420071937.17295.46C204730006015C0000438F2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:16:30 +0000 (UTC) > There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. I can't wait to hear The Looping Zoo performing at Y2K7. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8808A3BF64; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20bf01c7deb0$aa7fa190$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081420071937.17295.46C204730006015C0000438F2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A80E@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:21:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4wlTQB.A.t5E.86gwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Same here. Anyone plan on doing something really radical and interesting this year? Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download > There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. I can't wait to hear The Looping Zoo performing at Y2K7. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:28:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0623BF72; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:28:32 -0700 Message-ID: <005201c7deb1$b38f7750$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfeq86VUeU97Gz9T1+nUe+UeZu/uAABE29g In-Reply-To: <209601c7deab$c47da150$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7Cfn9D.A.AUF.AChwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp emulation. Fun! Here's what I think is funny. There are billions of guys who spend most = of their time trying to emulate Robert Johnson, Jimi, Eddie and no one says anything. Fripp ripped off Mahavishnu era McLaughlin (he admitted it) = but no one said a peep. Why? Haven't we all tried to emulate our musical heroes at some point? The way you miss is what makes you yourself. As far as Fripp goes, I wasn't a huge fan of the last King Crimson = outing, but The Construktion of Light was an amazing effort for some old = geezers. Have other prog rockers kept it going as long? Listen to the last Yes = album if you really want to see people who've left behind creative endeavors. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download=20 Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max = patch=20 though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for those = who=20 slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left behind = to=20 pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music = genre curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Krispen Hartung >> Create a max/msp patch that: >> >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch = shifting >> to the >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly=20 >> harmonic >> textures >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD >> >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. >> >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that tap = into >> your >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", = "Infinite >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) >> >> Kris >> > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:33:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 056BD3BF79; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c7deb2$56b0f0d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acferq6zeZA9wy+tReaB3vWVbCpWMwAA5NXQ In-Reply-To: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Ooo, that does sound good. -----Original Message----- From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Just released today . . . Yeah, yeah, I know he doesn't loop all that much any more. But, his stuff is often stunningly musical. Check it out: http://www.floratone.com/album/index.htm Cheers, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 63780 76=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121 197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max = patch=20 > though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for = those who=20 > slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left = behind to=20 > pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music genre=20 > curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! >=20 > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Krispen Hartung >=20 > >> Create a max/msp patch that: > >> > >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) > >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch shifting=20 > >> to the > >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) > >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly=20 > >> harmonic > >> textures > >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD > >> > >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. > >> > >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that = tap into=20 > >> your > >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", = "Infinite > >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) > >> > >> Kris > >> > > > > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49F413BF73; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: Make your own radio station. Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c7deb2$ddc775d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acferq6zeZA9wy+tReaB3vWVbCpWMwAA6UOg In-Reply-To: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I don't know if any of you know about this, but a friend recently turned me on to this: http://www.pandora.com It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio station tailored to your tastes. Doesn't have all the obscure stuff but I typed in Floratone and it was there. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:42:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189C73BF88; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:16 +0000 Message-Id: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Funny about Crimson. I was a rabid fan since the beginning (and still am of most of their catalogue), but in more recent years it seems to me that their material has gotten more complex strictly for complexity's sake and I find myself respecting them more but enjoying them less. It makes me think of the 20th century art music black hole where composers were basically writing for each other and let the audience be damned. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp > emulation. Fun! > > Here's what I think is funny. There are billions of guys who spend most of > their time trying to emulate Robert Johnson, Jimi, Eddie and no one says > anything. Fripp ripped off Mahavishnu era McLaughlin (he admitted it) but > no one said a peep. Why? Haven't we all tried to emulate our musical > heroes at some point? The way you miss is what makes you yourself. > > As far as Fripp goes, I wasn't a huge fan of the last King Crimson outing, > but The Construktion of Light was an amazing effort for some old geezers. > Have other prog rockers kept it going as long? Listen to the last Yes album > if you really want to see people who've left behind creative endeavors. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:44:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AAFB3BF8F; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20fb01c7deb3$e6251290$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <005201c7deb1$b38f7750$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:44:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:44:26 +0000 (UTC) > Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp emulation. Fun! Would that be Blackbird? (partial eventide emulation)...great patch, indeed. So good that I had to stop using it. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:45:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B463BF98; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Make your own radio station. Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A822@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <005601c7deb2$ddc775d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Thread-Topic: Make your own radio station. Thread-Index: Acferq6zeZA9wy+tReaB3vWVbCpWMwAA6UOgAABfrTA= References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> <005601c7deb2$ddc775d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:45:26 +0000 (UTC) > It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio station tailored to your > tastes. All Barbra Streisand. All the time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:47:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9133BF4D; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Z16BuB/Em0tpmKO+TxvyvSP58mOMcHuKr77CKVPTEVQvh/CWe0JIt1GZq9SbhxAwk+Z1Yxep7TpWOsTaV6DLPj9iB/jvCOth3eJLx3eQp4YNn3aTQjwgLwOPHqXk6IhgnvyjYnVho7bbdMBJikgMtGEBYtZ+ZAL30WL3BSMmvtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Wu4RZq0q+dgPqZ92QrFYao2V+rFtCbYqxs+D+bytJIHe/8iOieliWMJVejJPfjfo83gz3qf2TUIuwET+h9agOa2Da4LTI/lt9cJqiQfTllCwNAutEYdQwfy746e9Bu1ZUERj1RC4gVImTlO9bNKFNGcQTvJHS7FZXobjQBQ7YE4= In-Reply-To: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <688BE1F1-2369-4F68-8FF4-93B92390A35B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:47:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:47:33 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2007, at 22.06, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Check it out: > http://www.floratone.com/album/index.htm Thanks, Ted! What a great groove and awesome drumming! His guitar =20 playing sounds better with this tempo synced tremolo than the chorus =20 he used to have. "Swamped" is really heavy! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 20:48:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1E3A3BF9C; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IEweon37uKbYwpk5kX1sL0uJP5n6u/5nSxM1q3cZgX+vaN8bbhDaFTMj1QHyYD4NJWCK/Scu3Lisj2XUMWAK+qDorcQfOTBzVMu8W4bw7EQCjGFDGM8Tp4Z0a/vUMsBu3uJDrKgIqSj0l0YiL0NLxAN5Skq2vu32rl5S0iS3usg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AIPKTDMtwWNxn+Yx06Y75CXyWzmIFLc6JGCuM1s/bb0eMtgYNK3MWP8GYVMSD1xWZXgGF8TzY4zR9duVlkPX4ZRz9E5ZG7gckkCjT7BwBKhspdfZnQEQjevjUfO30YZRlLZ3HRAnoy0vhMRMNUPdQLpto4N+3QcFQN7paLjdsgA= Message-ID: <15d0840708141348x770080aete90d88f711c43a3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:48:14 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Make your own radio station. In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A822@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27415_6029837.1187124494921" References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> <005601c7deb2$ddc775d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A822@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1zGh0D.A.DHH.PUhwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:48:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27415_6029837.1187124494921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ZING! On 8/14/07, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio station tailored to > your > > tastes. > > All Barbra Streisand. All the time. > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_27415_6029837.1187124494921 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ZING!

On 8/14/07, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio station tailored to
your
> tastes.

All Barbra Streisand. All the time.




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_27415_6029837.1187124494921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:04:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32083BF6C; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i02XdOUauLUM4w1HirryLwnBYJWdfl9H2VkXIeP1xxbRHHyP0gqJ7pVB+cW4smNpocRvDwEgzTXwOxuJLIqFBLxNmUwGj6yRFgVVSSW7q6ROf37ji9390RAbtCthIKPqyTIX8Z080JflafOw/adFMDiAgpKmE43Ui3mASegIJ4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i2k+aqv7qZb1YRp1k47TGQ225F1D+yurMADSVMJuhiE3Em0b+OvlNI7HvtONa1C2eRmn8sYSU8xvxdx/x9mSc6rpn6e0kvEewyWeqcLRaBi3vJ9GFg2rzvclIRGnlyLgVOrBQWucG6mMsvBpaD8qR8oId/aa3xDnKbidtdFaZvQ= In-Reply-To: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Another music recommendation :-) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:04:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi List, Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No looping, sorry... but a really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their guitars and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-)) http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/ per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:11:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 855E53BF7E; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=H4yXS7fZcNgFVyjhVl5yt6aGFB14C9ATdEDG/8Mk+oTjKKXBo4FxFwm1JYmWo36nN7PwmqYzpeiXPqQ+Vq25HXcVH4nAB+ufUUciij9pKD5TAcpLCNKl1uFxFKan063Dxbc9udOVel90pcZ/n29HkCm9PvchkUmjnW7m1gO6jcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eGiTVq8z0h6SmQeTSo3F6w+bESXSPOh2EBoENv6Zy4QRF8G2hI2S87rY2KjB2krYY89ukP/KwcVDKbOnRuuSApMQmtx1nnl3AOnyau8Uxgc1R3uXZV7J0qnF2SMsO0pYLOGvJ1mVl+X7xz+ulX31d0arKUooHOSt0z6ahN+VwaI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:11:28 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download In-Reply-To: <20fb01c7deb3$e6251290$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17913_12821835.1187125888541" References: <005201c7deb1$b38f7750$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <20fb01c7deb3$e6251290$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:11:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17913_12821835.1187125888541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >So good that I had to stop using it. Now that's funny. My brother wrote a song that so many people asked him to play, he finally refused to play it. haha. silly boy. Now my mom plays it instead. :) Artists are weird. Tony On 8/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp > emulation. Fun! > > Would that be Blackbird? (partial eventide emulation)...great patch, > indeed. > So good that I > had to stop using it. > > K- > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_17913_12821835.1187125888541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >So good that I had to stop using it.

Now that's funny.  My brother wrote a song that so many people asked him to play, he finally refused to play it.  haha.  silly boy.  Now my mom plays it instead. :)

Artists are weird.

Tony

On 8/14/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp
emulation.  Fun!

Would that be Blackbird? (partial eventide emulation)...great patch, indeed.
So good that I
had to stop using it.

K-




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Tony ------=_Part_17913_12821835.1187125888541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:19:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C253BEDE; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <007e01c7deb8$c71f6260$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfes/jqnLsuF8hQTkK/ug5naZMUnwABEf+Q In-Reply-To: <20fb01c7deb3$e6251290$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:19:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure what it's called but I think it has Fripp in the title... = I'll look at my .ens files when I get home. It's funny, I think I downloaded Blackbird too and had a great time playing with it and then never used = it again. Effects can be like that sometimes. In a sense they can become = the song. Since I've stopped programming my own synth patches I've vowed if = I ever get around to posting songs again I'm going to give the = synths/patches credit. I feel they collaborate with me. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp - sound?New soundscape to download=20 > Someone has already created a Reaktor patch that does a decent Fripp emulation. Fun! Would that be Blackbird? (partial eventide emulation)...great patch, = indeed. So good that I had to stop using it. K-=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 284713BF4D; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qh4qYwBkfPFJic4AgDQRUrtVX1y6Yvob/XVXeY6SViV2GdjhOUYV20VdaMgHdBIcThuBdu6VleQaYpFL1tB8PPgnq4UBJX+i7N334VKkNIpnQNhoenm86aNMryoO2Vu4Ad57NkBjp5kzP9EA6lt5CKJr9ISzzfGho1CDYFArNkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qldskWY3moBxkebR+i+GIB7QgD4Wc26UXocjU1RhiWe2HChrzr/S06qNQQnEQFd9vtnqYAVNlnIZl0sPl3S+N62qLbHeadYqwsYrBRTIRA2gDLdz3yudWCqKskWXTtaX2eHtvCBiiZJrzlZnp5qnE61HUFeuK8cuZHx34JVPQ1g= Message-ID: <15d0840708141422kd05ecdr2b93a01e6e092124@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:22:21 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another music recommendation :-) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27663_10018734.1187126541207" References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:22:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27663_10018734.1187126541207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline They've been around for a minute now, but Battles is one of the most amazing bands I've ever heard. They use laptops, loops, echoplex, etc live. Drummer from Helmet, Guitarist from Don Caballero http://www.myspace.com/battlestheband listen to atlas. On 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > Hi List, > > Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained > strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying > quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No looping, sorry... but a > really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their guitars > and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-)) > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/ > > per > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_27663_10018734.1187126541207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
They've been around for a minute now, but Battles is one of the most amazing bands I've ever heard. They use laptops, loops, echoplex, etc live. Drummer from Helmet, Guitarist from Don Caballero
 
 
listen to atlas.

 
On 8/14/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi List,

Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained
strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying
quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project".  No looping, sorry... but a
really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their guitars
and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-))

http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/

per




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_27663_10018734.1187126541207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:27:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18013BF80; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <213301c7deb9$eb7221b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> Subject: Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:27:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Great stuff. Am I amaginng things, or is Bill starting to sound more like Scofield with his backbeats on this production? (listen to Handjive, A Go Go, etc). Floratone and Swamped are my favorites. ...but oh how I long for the old Frisell sound on "Rambler", "Bill Frisell, Kermit Driscoll, and Joey Baron - Live", American Blood, Safety in Numbers", etc. I've grown weary with the new sound he started with Nashville, which now seems to be threaded throughout most of his recent works....it's a great sound, no doubt...I just like his more obscure and darker material. On a more grave note, what is the deal with Kermitt? There is/was a benefit concert to raise money for him...to recoup from finance losse, medical bills from Lymes disease, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Just released today . . . Yeah, yeah, I know he doesn't loop all that much any more. But, his stuff is often stunningly musical. Check it out: http://www.floratone.com/album/index.htm Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max patch > though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator, for those > who > slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has since left behind > to > pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music > genre > curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Krispen Hartung > > >> Create a max/msp patch that: > >> > >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) > >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch > >> shifting > >> to the > >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) > >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly > >> harmonic > >> textures > >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD > >> > >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. > >> > >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that tap > >> into > >> your > >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", "Infinite > >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) > >> > >> Kris > >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:42:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313EE3BF6D; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:42:36 +0000 Message-Id: <081420072142.29236.46C221CB000DD212000072342216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29236_1187127756_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29236_1187127756_0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29236_1187127756_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29236_1187127756_1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Valid points all. Im just sick and tired of "workarounds". Ive been an avid looper for 5 or 6 years. I've owned: Repeaters, Echoplex's, Loop Stations, Jammen (?), Lives, now Sooperlooper. With every single one, there is always SOMETHING that is just wrong, and I have to bother perfectly nice people on some message board somewhere to find the ubiquitious "workaround". Just frustration. Don't mind me. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Cara Quinn Quoth thee... Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out. Most people seem to also agree on essentially, what a preamp etc. should do, whereas with a looper, the *only* thing that most people seem to agree on is that it be able to loop in some fashion. :) -And the style / method / object etc. of the looping is still debated. Two points really come to mind for me here; one is that since the loopers have such varied uses from simple looping, the feature sets need to be vast to please most artists, and as the artists are creative, they may find they would like a feature that hasn't been thought of by the creator of the device... The second point is that even with preamps and such, there are vast amounts of them on the market with all sorts of sound characteristics, so it could also be suggested that not every preamp manufacturer gets it right either, as not every sound profile may appeal to every musician's tastes?... Yes?... -Just my thoughts of course; thanks for the interesting post... Smiles, Cara :) At 02:43 PM 8/14/2007 +0000, you wrote: Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it doesn't work as a plug in should. I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a few GUI graphics ala SL. I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people looping today, it would most likely make a profit. Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: nico spahni > Hi fellow loopers > > I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the > present setup looks like: > > track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL > track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL > track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL > track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master > track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master > track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master > > All monitors: In > > With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback > levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording > volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play > simul taneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only > played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to > overcome this problem? 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Valid points all. Im just sick and tired of "workarounds". Ive been an avid looper for 5 or 6 years. I've owned: Repeaters, Echoplex's,  Loop Stations, Jammen (?), Lives, now Sooperlooper. With every single one, there is always SOMETHING that is just wrong, and I have to bother perfectly nice people on some message board somewhere to find the ubiquitious "workaround".
Just frustration. Don't mind me.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Cara Quinn <CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com>
  Quoth thee...

Its just weird that with any looper, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric
devices, they seem to figure everything out.

Most people seem to also agree on essentially, what a preamp etc. should do, whereas with a looper, the *only* thing that most people seem to agree on is that it be able to loop in some fashion.  :)  -And the style / method / object etc. of the looping is still debated. 

  Two points really come to mind for me here; one is that since the loopers have such varied uses from simple looping, the feature sets need to be vast to please most artists, and as the artists are creative, they may find they would like a feature that hasn 't been thought of by the creator of the device...

The second point is that even with preamps and such, there are vast amounts of them on the market with all sorts of sound characteristics, so it could also be suggested that not every preamp manufacturer gets it right either, as not every sound profile may appeal to every musician's tastes?...  Yes?...

-Just my thoughts of course; thanks for the interesting post...

Smiles,

Cara  :)


At 02:43 PM 8/14/2007 +0000, you wrote:

Thats what I was asking about yesterday. It seems the way SL is setup, we're really quite limited as to how it runs in Live. I tried last night to set it up so an identical midi note command would arm a track and select a loop, but I couldn't get it to work. This got me wondering just how it is that with the literally thousands of plug ins available today, nobody has created a cross-platform, native looper with all the bells and whistles that works the way we need it to. I know Mobius is supposed to be that, but of course it only runs on windows. SL sorta works, but it doesn't work as a plug in should.
I need to open a looper plugin on 1 track and 1 track only, and have all the functionality of an EDP. It could even look like an EDP, maybe with a few GUI graphics ala SL.
I would pay good money for this, and judging by the sheer amount of people looping today, it would most likely make a profit.
Its just weird that with any loop er, hardware or software, there are limitations and shortcomings. Yet with preamps, filters and synths, or even more esoteric devices, they seem to figure everything out.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: nico spahni <nicosp@gmx.net>

> Hi fellow loopers
>
> I've set up (and synced) 3 instances of SL in Live 5. This is what the
> present setup looks like:
>
> track 1: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL
> track 2: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL
> track 3: Audio from ext. in to track 7-MIDI 7/8 SL
> track 4: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 3/4 SL to Master
> track 5: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 5/6 SL to Master
> track 6: Audio from track 7-MIDI, 7/8 SL to Master
>
> All monitors: In
>
> With this setup there is a discrepancy between recording and playback
> levels. When I record a loop (or solo over a loop), the recording
> volume is much higher than the playback volume because I always play
> simul taneously on three tracks (1-3). Any given loop, however, is only
> played back on one track (4, 5 or 6). Can anyone think of a way to
> overcome this problem? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards from Switzerland
>
> Nico
>
>
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If anyone can ever find the Albums Frisell did with Scofield, I believe the band was called Bass Desires, get them.  Beautiful music.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Hi List,
>
> Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained
> strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying
> quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No looping, sorry... but a
> really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their guitars
> and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-))
>
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/
>
> per
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10981_1187127930_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 21:52:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBAAB3BF44; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <5792B238-3A11-47B8-8177-9EF52A06ED73@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-515242430 From: Steve Lawson Subject: LD list transatlantic gig fun in London! Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:52:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:52:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-515242430 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Calling London loopists, I've got a gig next Wednesday (Aug 22nd) at =20 Darbucka World Music Bar, which will feature my duo with Lobelia =20 (looped 'n' layered bass 'n' voice - see my myspace page, then hers, =20 for a couple of tracks of the duo stuffs...) and also on the double =20 bill is Monk, AKA Ric Hordinski, of Cincinnati and this 'ere list, =20 playing in a trio with me on bass ('tis worth it just to be at the =20 one gig a year when I play normal bass... ;o) Would be lovely to show Ric a good time at his first London gig in =20 God-knows-how-many-years... Doors 7pm, Music 8pm, tickets =A36 on the door. Venue address - 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, EC1. Nearest tube =20 Farringdon - venue deets; www.darbucka.com Ric deets - www.richordinski.com Lobelia deets - www.lobelia.net www.myspace.com/lobeliamusic me deets - see below. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-5-515242430 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Calling London loopists, I've = got a gig next Wednesday (Aug 22nd) at Darbucka World Music Bar, which = will feature my duo with Lobelia (looped 'n' layered bass 'n' voice - = see my myspace page, then hers, for a couple of tracks of the duo = stuffs...) and also on the double bill is Monk, AKA Ric Hordinski, of = Cincinnati and this 'ere list, playing in a trio with me on bass ('tis = worth it just to be at the one gig a year when I play normal bass... = ;o)=A0

Would be = lovely to show Ric a good time at his first London gig in = God-knows-how-many-years...=A0

Doors 7pm, Music 8pm, = tickets =A36 on the door.=A0

Venue address - 182 St = John's Street, Clerkenwell, EC1. Nearest tube Farringdon - venue deets; = www.darbucka.com

Ric deets - www.richordinski.com=A0




www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-5-515242430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 22:28:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D663BF4C; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.137] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070814212732.1A6F23BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Emulation Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:28:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2007 22:28:13.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[66BEF200:01C7DEC2] Resent-Message-ID: <1SbuzC.A.FND.-xiwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:28:15 +0000 (UTC) I for one have been complaining for years about guitarsist that can't get out from under ths shadows of their heros. I feel like Hendrix ande Cotrane ,left legions of imitators in their wakes that almost ruined their respective musical genres. _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 23:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1108E3BF4C; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Emulation Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:03:47 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c7dec7$62e9dbe0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfewm3F8lUVa5/SSdW2ITRZ7bYLtwAAx9vw In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC) I disagree. Most people don't play music to be unique. They play to entertain. They play to express or evoke emotion. My brother blows me = away with musical knowledge and technique... but he sounds like millions of = other guitar players. I don't even think he cares or wants to be different. = He just wants to play music people enjoy and usually that means it's what they're familiar with. The idea that music is for iconic players is = silly. It's for everyone who wants to do it. There's room for Hendrix and for = the guy who's trying really hard to play Eruption perfectly... (as long as = they don't do it in a music store. ;)) What do you think of classical musicians who are amazing but blaze no = new trail? I used to feel there was something about the "cult of originality" but = no more. I'm more interested in well crafted interesting music. If I can = hear the artist's influences then so be it. I'm more about quality... though = I have to say I do like weird stuff compared to most people. I'm sure my guitar sounds Frippish. Welcome to my united states of whatever. ;) -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Emulation=20 I for one have been complaining for years about guitarsist that can't = get=20 out from under ths shadows of their heros. I feel like Hendrix ande = Cotrane=20 ,left legions of imitators in their wakes that almost ruined their=20 respective musical genres. _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place!=20 http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 23:11:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07C543BF61; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070814161302.00e24c48@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:13:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: Emulation In-Reply-To: <009001c7dec7$62e9dbe0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6FFC66E2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Right freaking on!!! :) Thank you!!! Smiles, Cara :) At 04:03 PM 8/14/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I disagree. Most people don't play music to be unique. They play to >entertain. They play to express or evoke emotion. My brother blows me away >with musical knowledge and technique... but he sounds like millions of other >guitar players. I don't even think he cares or wants to be different. He >just wants to play music people enjoy and usually that means it's what >they're familiar with. The idea that music is for iconic players is silly. >It's for everyone who wants to do it. There's room for Hendrix and for the >guy who's trying really hard to play Eruption perfectly... (as long as they >don't do it in a music store. ;)) > >What do you think of classical musicians who are amazing but blaze no new >trail? > > >I used to feel there was something about the "cult of originality" but no >more. I'm more interested in well crafted interesting music. If I can hear >the artist's influences then so be it. I'm more about quality... though I >have to say I do like weird stuff compared to most people. I'm sure my >guitar sounds Frippish. Welcome to my united states of whatever. > >;) > >-----Original Message----- >From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Emulation > > > I for one have been complaining for years about guitarsist that can't get >out from under ths shadows of their heros. I feel like Hendrix ande Cotrane >,left legions of imitators in their wakes that almost ruined their >respective musical genres. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! >http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 >5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 14 23:18:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304FD3BF5D; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <213301c7deb9$eb7221b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> <213301c7deb9$eb7221b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <99F374FA-5FEF-4719-8D4F-2B8E363D4669@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:18:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:18:35 +0000 (UTC) I saw Kermit play with my buddy Tony Scherr at Marion's Marquee in NYC a couple of Mondays ago and he seemed in good spirits and sounded GREAT as ever. I'm opening for Tony next Monday BTW, with my band Mister Shifty... lots of looping I too long for the Rambler days, but it just reminds me of college. There was a study by some psychologists that concluded that when people listen to the music of their youth they feel younger and are in better health. Go figure. Listen to Rambler... Live longer. Teddy On Aug 14, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Great stuff. Am I amaginng things, or is Bill starting to sound > more like Scofield with his backbeats on this production? (listen > to Handjive, A Go Go, etc). Floratone and Swamped are my favorites. > > ...but oh how I long for the old Frisell sound on "Rambler", "Bill > Frisell, Kermit Driscoll, and Joey Baron - Live", American Blood, > Safety in Numbers", etc. I've grown weary with the new sound he > started with Nashville, which now seems to be threaded throughout > most of his recent works....it's a great sound, no doubt...I just > like his more obscure and darker material. > > On a more grave note, what is the deal with Kermitt? There is/was > a benefit concert to raise money for him...to recoup from finance > losse, medical bills from Lymes disease, etc. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 00:15:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97C03BF48; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fhWZM7wBm0Ri8FNhW7dnBrUCWophIsJ/6OGr25OjUZ+aoR0eBaSo5BU/6iaYb6ic+a2ru9TIgYqviZ783OlFxb8nUx1FnKDSnLVzBJODv55Ng54e4V93uPrnAUAe+O7na5N+9CRHk2dp1lDs0v4NJzBjCLSShLxHufNmwOu7tmU=; X-YMail-OSG: IF2KxWUVM1n6g99khjanjI8Ae2T.iHOfYNLG71HvTO6coyM69jAsYzUG2aOYaSTIDpYHu5Enm7gt7xMpvbpyzlTAuNW6rMcZ2orrvi8mzmjMagCs4woRt1E54NqQfw-- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: emulation To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <381381.76290.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, What's the difference? I played "my" style and tone for a few years and after a period of time, people said I sounded like Mark Knopfler. Only problem is I started plating 5 or 6 years before their first album. So who influences who? Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 00:45:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 411893BF3E; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c7ded5$a3bfba00$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <081420072145.10981.46C2227A00046D6D00002AE52216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Another music recommendation seconded :-) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:45:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7DEE6.65D216A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+g9rhMomCFeIeolnA5Sn9GMkuDQFovCBsNAEZ lqpuAVeQA/Ue/JvJ1igjjSH29kr9ayN5gzVwrKztVk79q9X4XB OT9JWDB3+opRdoqgDCJ6NSN07/66ET3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:45:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7DEE6.65D216A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the album is called "second sight" and it contains a very very slow (but = also very groovy) song called "sweet soul", composed by peter erskine, = the drummer. wonderful. i used to wake up every morning to this song for about a year. a good year. tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Another music recommendation :-) If anyone can ever find the Albums Frisell did with Scofield, I = believe the band was called Bass Desires, get them. Beautiful music.=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Per Boysen =20 > Hi List,=20 >=20 > Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained=20 > strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying=20 > quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No looping, sorry... but = a=20 > really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their = guitars=20 > and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-))=20 >=20 > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/=20 >=20 > per=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7DEE6.65D216A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the album is called "second sight" and = it contains=20 a very very slow (but also very groovy) song called "sweet soul", = composed by=20 peter erskine, the drummer.
wonderful.
i used to wake up every morning to this = song for about a year.
a good year.
 
tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net= =20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 = 11:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: Another music = recommendation=20 :-)

If anyone can ever find the Albums Frisell did with Scofield, I = believe=20 the band was called Bass Desires, get them.  Beautiful music. =
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> =

>=20 Hi List,
>
> Since Ted just recommended that nice new = Frisell=20 disk I gained
> strength to post a recommendation for a band = I have=20 been enjoying
> quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No = looping,=20 sorry... but a
> really, really good crunch to it. These = people can=20 play their guitars
> and set their amp knobs to the optimal = positions=20 :-))
>
> = http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/=20
>
> per
> = ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7DEE6.65D216A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 01:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC633BF58; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50233.69.59.203.72.1187140963.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <002f01c7ded5$a3bfba00$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <081420072145.10981.46C2227A00046D6D00002AE52216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <002f01c7ded5$a3bfba00$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Another music recommendation seconded :-) From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Marc Johnson's Bass Desires did 2 albums on ECM, the first self-titled and the 2nd is, appropriately enough, "Second Sight." Both awesome. Coincidentally, I was just transcribing Samurai Hee-Haw from the 1st album for a gig this week, and marveling at Frisell and Scofield's interplay. There's a version of Resolution from "A Love Supreme" on the first album that is simply perfect. > the album is called "second sight" and it contains a very very slow (but > also very groovy) song called "sweet soul", composed by peter erskine, the > drummer. > wonderful. > i used to wake up every morning to this song for about a year. > a good year. > > tilmann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: Another music recommendation :-) > > > If anyone can ever find the Albums Frisell did with Scofield, I believe > the band was called Bass Desires, get them. Beautiful music. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Per Boysen > > > Hi List, > > > > Since Ted just recommended that nice new Frisell disk I gained > > strength to post a recommendation for a band I have been enjoying > > quite a lot lately - "Sick Side Project". No looping, sorry... but a > > really, really good crunch to it. These people can play their > guitars > > and set their amp knobs to the optimal positions :-)) > > > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/sick.side.project/ > > > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 01:47:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBC8D3BF49; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015601c7dede$33990200$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: Emulation Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:47:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: "I disagree. Most people don't play music to be unique. They play to entertain. They play to express or evoke emotion. " I agree with you, Mark, but I also think most people who play music don't make much of an impact outside of the realm that you mention. As an artist, I think it is natural to try and make a mark...........to try to be unique. If you strive for greatness you run the huge risk of failing, but if you don't strive for it, you can't be truly great. I know that with live looping as an example, I have the technique, the equipment and the ability to go out and play entertaining modern electronic dance music that would be vastly more successful in terms of album sales and paying gigs, but in my own personal artistic life, I just would rather try to be unique (even if it makes me obscure or even unheard of). I agree with you that the bulk of musicians do emulate their heroes which is fine, but you have to have the heroes to inspire to begin with. If someone didn't strive to be unique and artistic..........to try to blaze new ground, then who would the bulk of musicians emulate? What happens because of the marketing of music and the general idiosyncracies of a lot of trail blazing artists is that for every 100 really unique players there are (I think of people like Andre, Bill, etc.) 1 of them makes it to the mainstream consciousness. In this day and age with the way the music business is evolving, I seriously doubt that Hendrix would become as popular as he was, if he were just starting out. Dylan, certainly , would not have gotten a multi-record deal that allowed him to grow into the amazing artist he became in the 60's. He would have gotten a one record deal with an Indie label and then he would have sunk like a stone...................far the worse for us all, I"m afraid. But then again, if you just completely eschew the paradigm of the music business today, there is something very spiritually gratifying to be committed to art with a capital "A". I think it's incredibly important that someone like Van Gogh kept painting even though he was unsuccessful. (and by the way, I would never in a million years compare myself to any great or famous artist, but I believe that if some people don't strive for more than just entertaining then we won't have great art. If it takes thousands of us to fail so that a handful change the world of music....................it's all worth it in my book. That being said and done, Mark, I don't care what your motivation is for playing, I just really dig what you do, so please keep doing it. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 04:36:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A1C3BF41; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708150436.l7F4aQhZ039241@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:36:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7DEBB.2C0D0590" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfe9dg+rWVbsj2gRQeenSIrIiYWSQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:36:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7DEBB.2C0D0590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding Duncan and Per's comments: The best way I've found to have useable accelerandi/ritardandi on the Repeater is using the CC pedals on my trusty POS Behringer FCB1010. CC#09 is for tempo/ Time stretch , and CC#14 is for both tempo and pitch shift together. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7DEBB.2C0D0590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Regarding Duncan and Per’s comments:

 The best way I’ve found to have useable accelerandi/ritardandi on the Repeater is using the CC pedals on my = trusty POS  Behringer FCB1010.

 CC#09 is for tempo/ Time stretch , and CC#14 is = for both tempo and pitch shift together.

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7DEBB.2C0D0590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 06:10:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043513BF5A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:10:06 +0200 Message-ID: <008501c7df02$ee97e890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcffAIAFiHQJ7l/SROyvRtjbArcRcAAAil9Q In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:10:14 +0000 (UTC) and for the sitar sound you would like to have: why not use a sitar bridge such as this: http://www.eyb-guitars.de/Eyb-English/Hardware.html I've got an electric guitar with such a sitar bridge and it works great - sounds like the original electric sitar, but was much cheaper :-) Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 07:26:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E508C3BF58; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Mike O'Neil loops Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: <009001c7df0d$973f5eb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcffDZaycxXDwfDLSW+IGHxFcgNJQQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Mike O'Neil (who I hadn't heard of before) sent me a myspace friend request and after listening to his four tracks, I was more than happy to agree. Lend him your ears: http://www.myspace.com/mikeo39neil Wonderful guitar loops on Strat and Looperlative, great melodies and textures, and a phrasing and guitar sound that reminded me of Frisell at times. Big recommendation !! Michael (http://www.myspace.com/veloopity) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 08:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 341963BEEA; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Su0GLWguhANPNpWFHairmND1QT60adkcMzhT3TyTCt5Q+d/eeZC1ZGN+Vb+0VKXPjVaNYNJzzp42kh0nR1Z/I4AUljTMdXCPQ8rpC9Y/ji/GF19wNjuFn+3s8YwQ+L3mkpCrDi8KSWIWz9Xn/Tle1Qs0HHItat7AH2Et6SXZnNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZndUA5VJKRyJ0/8gV+GTy1csji7I2aOs975VIpVUDZYDE1Col5GkjfWllG1sjaRkEQBHYT8uxHXf/nF0WC96YJz9i6AlXTUIwHbfLBvsRsCHOdfONcUNGYTZufKebbEv5ndzamIjbHI5IHeLpHunFJKO0yXsUCyvZpWkb9sQdXI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <008501c7df02$ee97e890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <008501c7df02$ee97e890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59F70AD3-088D-4413-8E3D-0C83101F941D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:30:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:31:03 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 08.10, Michael Peters wrote: > and for the sitar sound you would like to have: why not use a sitar > bridge > such as this: > http://www.eyb-guitars.de/Eyb-English/Hardware.html > > I've got an electric guitar with such a sitar bridge and it works > great - > sounds like the original electric sitar, but was much cheaper :-) wow, Michael, that's a great tip! Can post a link to a sound file where you play that guitar? I just can't wait to hear what it makes the sound. My guess is that it work well on a fretless played with Sustainiac - C. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 08:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D19F3BF71; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=kUg9L5dn85qU7anmGtvGCqAM7Blg8fwHAdELoSPOZwoFO9DPr3g553VzFFp2pURavZFdmqJIP2yhnJV12x7QVW5XHD15zpzsz3SU81kUWMoenIswLG51JBIiHRssKr8WyACrVC+QUv+CjTpgiOa1/Y1ovTzZTm2BCU6zO1z6UvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=aN53EmQ6ZO0JHOwjaRLibpcXC+sNw612Nj/ZHrnGFgvSliFJi1McWLt5OO/jOMN5X7If97oFr4rtndTQwXIABRYLf02KM9WON8rAgmU7LjUSCl1OSP18it+cDWV2XlrvPgvsITgEuB8NWj3ZOjQy+0O4HJ8+TmBo29+LF8U/9oA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <59F70AD3-088D-4413-8E3D-0C83101F941D@gmail.com> References: <008501c7df02$ee97e890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <59F70AD3-088D-4413-8E3D-0C83101F941D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:35:01 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Per Boysen Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:35:12 +0000 (UTC) > On 15 aug 2007, at 08.10, Michael Peters wrote: > >> and for the sitar sound you would like to have: why not use a >> sitar bridge >> such as this: >> http://www.eyb-guitars.de/Eyb-English/Hardware.html >> >> I've got an electric guitar with such a sitar bridge and it works >> great - >> sounds like the original electric sitar, but was much cheaper :-) > > On 15 aug 2007, at 10.30, Per Boysen wrote: > wow, Michael, that's a great tip! Can post a link to a sound file > where you play that guitar? I just can't wait to hear what it makes > the sound. My guess is that it work well on a fretless played with > Sustainiac - C. When thinking twice I'm not sure it will work so well with fretless, because the string action is set so low on fretless guitars? You already have a kind of buzzing from the fingerboard so would it sound good with buzzing layered over buzzing? Still curious... maybe it's great... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:05:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9638C3BF82; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: , "Loopers Delight" References: <1187170656.687.70512.m39@yahoogroups.com> Subject: a long delay Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:05:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c7df23$c5097810$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcffIEMJfJxT+QJzSuKUCKaBDZq1RAAAtfYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <1187170656.687.70512.m39@yahoogroups.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:05:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a simple and stable long delay VST plugin for my current Audiomulch setup. The Audiomulch delay can do 2 seconds only, and I'd like to have 4 seconds or more. I've used the Elogoxa tape loop simulation but something in my current AM setup tends to be unstable, sometimes boosting the CPU load through the roof, and I suspect it could be the Elogoxa plugin. I need something simple, not as sophisticated as Moebius, I really just need long delay lines for this project. Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 10:56:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D6E73BF76; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IuAAF/gNYG8k3Q7Ryozo8BVXhhh02c3bH/PpAp75s/0GvXm5AUVE6d6ykATYF118H1Babpdq0xBdRyfMHKTBX5qkZ2EATe3qonggsBu3ZPu9LAw76iGpbOGxSIwMOFhxn5RpgmHPIkqLAexHGIfzn5EMsgthVkiMK3BlMy3de28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZJJwN7MbffzUQBS+Q520ABmFbHQjylBrL3f2Va5yZNHJO0eMzoIUDN2Tr4lHOoQ0qFT8MzGu36W3BeMmKOarSybGSMCLFOB6ZeAyySoD8alFoFs/QwJlBmdfyBkTl3UV6K8yemjfVGjNFN4HZ8vtyzGu3kKVIEnf40wD9faBd+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c7df23$c5097810$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <1187170656.687.70512.m39@yahoogroups.com> <000401c7df23$c5097810$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: a long delay Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:56:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:56:13 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 12.05, Michael Peters wrote: > I'm looking for a simple and stable long delay VST plugin for my > current > Audiomulch setup. The Audiomulch delay can do 2 seconds only, and > I'd like > to have 4 seconds or more. Open Mobius VST in a slot and set it to Overdub Mode. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 11:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E753BF84; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dWl6TOIEMAeXSC6hGeSQkD1F17iUdQfPr1FU5sP3yukOPZ2Pe55EddScwLGFqAK4uxdDpgqkULfg/17I/1OnWv+G9FkxMsm/gQcbpmCCqEqsGLBg1EnH3ryETHpWTtRi3hWx/sNocOgtec24pSw6zaNlYrwlsneYchRBbXycP4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=piqxoSHaCnX/b6cUsEkGTZm4WmU5QaFjLpIS+jMpoIo1Lw23FBndFJMqVsww8a+D7zgVfkaTeypLE8uoKoFhwx9BHP7/4tToIA6ZysbBUfyEzbINBT5Buc+AJk8SLLz16DzQ3KAs5kQFKDSSuqyIDi5xOgXoYV3+PXCOvEWM5lE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:14:54 +0100 From: "Pawel Janowski" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a long delay In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1187170656.687.70512.m39@yahoogroups.com> <000401c7df23$c5097810$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Kjaerhus Classic Delay has 5 seconds: http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-delay.php Tweakbench Maelcum has 10: http://www.tweakbench.com/maelcum Both are free, simple, and easy to use. I switched from the Classic to the Maelcum for longer delay time, but if you don't need very long delays, the Classic gives you more flexibility. Hope that helps, Pawel On 8/15/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 aug 2007, at 12.05, Michael Peters wrote: > > > I'm looking for a simple and stable long delay VST plugin for my > > current > > Audiomulch setup. The Audiomulch delay can do 2 seconds only, and > > I'd like > > to have 4 seconds or more. > > > Open Mobius VST in a slot and set it to Overdub Mode. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:39:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635523BF71; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9BA4515B-5F64-4FAC-8192-AEF9B6ED7554@gmail.com> References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> <9BA4515B-5F64-4FAC-8192-AEF9B6ED7554@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:39:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:19 +0000 (UTC) At 5:55 PM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: >On 14 aug 2007, at 16.59, Mech wrote: > >> I've got mine tuned to an Arabian Oud tuning -- DGADGC -- so it is >>overall about two whole tones lover than a conventional guitar. > >Nice idea. With fretless I think I'll tune the strings at the pitch >as they sound best. I like doing the same, but occasionally I outsmart myself. One of my basses sounds very good dropped down to D and tuned to open fifths. But that made the action really hard to play and it confused the hell out of the guitar player for the band I was in at the time, so I went back to standard tuning. Just goes to show its always something. >>(In fact, I should be getting mine back from the shop later this >>week. It's having the action lowered/neck shimmed and the original >>pickups replaced; > >Will you post about it later? Would be nice to hear from your >experience with that instrument. Sure. I've also got the VG-99 group hanging over my head waiting for sound clips, since I just picked up one of those in Japan (they're not yet available over in the States). I'll see if I can slip in some looping stuff and post the relevant clips here too. >>Are you coming to L2k7 this year? > >I'm afraid thats not financially possible this year ;-( Ah drat! Sorry to hear that. We'll certainly make it a point to raise a few in your honor, though. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:39:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174383BF8C; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A792@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <081420071443.4266.46C1BFA4000A99B1000010AA2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C45A792@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:39:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Hard Programmer Realities (was: RE: [sooperlooper-users] multiple instances of SL in Live: problems with volume levels) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7aNNGC.A.ykC.9PvwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:26 +0000 (UTC) At 12:11 PM -0500 8/14/07, Jeff Larson wrote: > >It is not uncommon for a senior software developer in California (not >where I live) to make around $100,000 a year or more. The >self-employed do not get health insurance in the US, so that adds >another $10,000 for a family plan and you lose perks like a 401K, free >training, conferences, etc. So let's set the "cost" of an engineer at >around $125,000 per year. This is what you're going to have to >compete with if you hope to lure someone away from their jobs at >Oracle or Microsoft. > > [snip...!] > >Let's be conservative and say it will take 2 man-years to create the >worlds most amazing looper. That's $250,000 in engineering costs you >have to clear before you see "profit". Oh, that's not a problem. I'm sure we can knock at least two zeros off that final estimate. We'll just outsource to India.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688103BF99; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:39:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:41:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 493993BF96; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2B59@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <213301c7deb9$eb7221b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Thread-Index: AcffOY6BC6LZGasjTlejrJc+L2cuRw== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 12:41:08.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DE0D340:01C7DF39] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:41:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm with Kris about Frisell. When he went off into Americana he lost an edge that we don't see too often any more. Still interesting, but in a world full of shredaholic flurrymonsters I loved that there was a player who could be blistering and lyrical at the same time. Maybe players can do that at the level of Frisells's mid to late 80s stuff for only so long, or maybe they stop wanting to do so. John Abercrombie was, for me, sort of Frisell's predecessor on this path... not that he does Americana, but his chamber music, pretty though it is, is a far cry from Timeless or Lookout Farm. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Great stuff. Am I amaginng things, or is Bill starting to sound more like=20 Scofield with his backbeats on this production? (listen to Handjive, A Go=20 Go, etc). Floratone and Swamped are my favorites. ...but oh how I long for the old Frisell sound on "Rambler", "Bill Frisell,=20 Kermit Driscoll, and Joey Baron - Live", American Blood, Safety in Numbers",=20 etc. I've grown weary with the new sound he started with Nashville, which=20 now seems to be threaded throughout most of his recent works....it's a great=20 sound, no doubt...I just like his more obscure and darker material. On a more grave note, what is the deal with Kermitt? There is/was a benefit=20 concert to raise money for him...to recoup from finance losse, medical bills=20 from Lymes disease, etc. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "tEd (r) kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Just released today . . . Yeah, yeah, I know he doesn't loop all that much any more. But, his stuff is often stunningly musical. Check it out: http://www.floratone.com/album/index.htm Cheers, tEd (r) kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna:=20 http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 6 378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sorry, I know...I'm a smart ass. I'm half tempted to create the max=20 > patch though. I'll call it the Random Fripper-Soundcapes Generator,=20 > for those who slavishly and adoringly seek to emulate what Fripp has=20 > since left behind to > pursue other creative endeavors. The world is never too short of music > genre > curators. There is plenty of room for all animals in the looping zoo. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > :-)) Ouch! Cruel, but fair! > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Krispen Hartung > > >> Create a max/msp patch that: > >> > >> a) plays a pre-recorded whole note played on your guitar (any note) > >> b) randomly applies massive layered delays, chorusing, and pitch > >> shifting > >> to the > >> input (with a quasi cello like tone quality) > >> c) loops it on multiple tracks with random fade in/outs, and poly > >> harmonic > >> textures > >> d) records the whole process direct to hard drive for your next CD > >> > >> ....then walk away and have a nice cold pint of ale. > >> > >> Then you might consider using some really sappy song titles that=20 > >> tap > >> into > >> your > >> feminine side, like "Tears in my roses", "bathed in beauty", "Infinite > >> sensitivity", "blessed heart beat", etc. :) > >> > >> Kris > >> > > > > > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 12:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 693AC3BFA3; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 640536167 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF3A.DCFB40BD" Subject: RE: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25E81@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <200708150436.l7F4aQhZ039241@mail.cruzio.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Thread-Index: AcffOt0YkeKNn479SdGQ4q7KCYbQ7g== References: <200708150436.l7F4aQhZ039241@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 12:50:31.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD220540:01C7DF3A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF3A.DCFB40BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Regarding Duncan and Per's comments: The best way I've found to have useable accelerandi/ritardandi on the Repeater is using the CC pedals on my trusty POS Behringer FCB1010. CC#09 is for tempo/ Time stretch , and CC#14 is for both tempo and pitch shift together. << =20 as regards the business of resolution, I will once again big-up the venerable peavey pc1600 series controllers, which allow not only free assignment of controllers, note numbers, sys-ex & other complicated stuff to any control, but also upper & lower limits on the values generated by the faders. thus, one could use a fader to generate CC values from (say) 50 to 70 over it's full travel, giving one much finer control over something like a repeater's tempo. next, subsitute a pedal for the fader. in fact, if I have one problem with the peavey pc1600, it's that there aren't more pedal inputs. I am soon going to rack-mount my pc1600 (which is almost 13 years old!), swapping the faders for knobs & adding more pedal/cv inputs. =20 I play with a drummer who hates playing to clicks, & likes the idea of a piece changing tempo as dictated by the act of playing it. to accommodate this, I have experimented with various tap-tempo tricks going back as far as the kahler human clock. now I think an actual "throttle pedal" is probably the best way forward.=20 =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF3A.DCFB40BD Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>Regarding Duncan and = Per’s=20 comments:

 The best way = I’ve found to=20 have useable accelerandi/ritardandi on the Repeater is using the CC = pedals on my=20 trusty POS  Behringer FCB1010.

 CC#09 is for tempo/ = Time=20 stretch , and CC#14 is for both tempo and pitch shift together. <<

 

as regards = the business of=20 resolution, I will once again big-up the venerable peavey pc1600 series=20 controllers, which allow not only free assignment of controllers, note = numbers,=20 sys-ex & other complicated stuff to any control, but also upper = & lower=20 limits on the values generated by the faders. thus, one could use a = fader=20 to generate CC values from (say) 50 to 70 over it's full travel, giving = one much=20 finer control over something like a repeater's tempo. next, subsitute a = pedal=20 for the fader.

in fact, if = I have one=20 problem with the peavey pc1600, it's that there aren't more pedal = inputs. I am=20 soon going to rack-mount my pc1600 (which is almost 13 years old!), = swapping the=20 faders for knobs & adding more pedal/cv=20 inputs.

 

I play with = a drummer who=20 hates playing to clicks, & likes the idea of a piece changing = tempo as=20 dictated by the act of playing it. to accommodate this, I have = experimented with=20 various tap-tempo tricks going back as far as the kahler human clock. = now I=20 think an actual "throttle pedal" is probably the best way=20 forward. 

 

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF3A.DCFB40BD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:02:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690AB3BFA9; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:02:07 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c7df3c$7c86cf70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcffOq/utpfvmRpsQ7+u7i3PexV57QAAEEcA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:14 +0000 (UTC) > When thinking twice I'm not sure it will work so well with fretless don't know about that Per ... maybe you should ask the bridge manufacturer what they think ... maybe they give you a bridge to try it out ... > Can post a link to a sound file where you play that guitar? a short one ... listen to the Dec 17 entry on my MY2K diary page: http://www.michaelpeters.de/my2k.htm -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:12:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28EC53BF8A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DdK/x+f46/NenWUiLcu8RjpVO92R+6qzohCaoQDnQNK6tX4o86Y5tSqk6o801/0k2rxJoScf/zg7M7zO1t2KTK2FDiAWLCtzKCrNaMdehctqpY3xMWw1mHi95iPuprW9QhZY4LhNHUhMliIzZeTPPsuMSSvpP160vuYl7BZApyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kh0G4dMfXrWr7S35xTNF5aH4/Cp4NT9eKnhHVYVVnWWhsEsPsQGbe2Pp/2obd+wifNM8J5Hxmot07590cIAiIx4ccBVTymkeTB0QitrQj1FA/zXdT1Uy6R1RVJY5ju3GbIP6saHORh+dKWDLuUNvIwsTba0UJOUrsZfU3yXJRv4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:12:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:12:43 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 14.39, Mech wrote: > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days. > Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html Wow! I heard some whispering about this but I did not know it was already public. But it seems there is no way yet to buy this product? When you click "Purchase" you get >> Electrix is currently seeking new dealers and international >> distributors. I had hoped the Virtual Repeater should have been made available as an AU or VST plug-in but now I see that it is actually a standalone host application. That makes it difficult to use it in a looping system spliced together with Max or Bidule. But on the other hand the VR can host VST plug-ins, so there's at least a bit of headroom there. It may even be funny and open new windows to loop with such restrictions. I think it's a bit of a bummer though that Virtual Repeater doesn't support AU plug-ins. Since the VST format has not been "looked after" particularly well by its original inventor Steinberg, there are so many bad VST plug-ins in circulation today. That's one reason why I like to work in OS X these days; with only documented well functioning AU plug-ins you get much more time left over for making music, as compared to working under Windows with (eventually malfunctioning) VST based plug-ins. Good to see even the Virtual Repeater does time-stretching down to 1 BPM. My hardware Repeater sounded so inspiring doing that. I know, at least on Mac (by experiencing the AU Looper), that those cool slowed down sounds are possible in software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:15:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B386A3BF9F; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lJQNqoCwXe7NvEBG/yzbkb+MfAmRqS9iJAFT/jg4cp9F2WHywS/F/UeelDevGCSCYWNYeFF1F2E+fN9/YymJkLu6Ph6gNjq3T2/5jzYhEyKR2ytvCfX4EK7lorCOzKOM0w7GpqM/Dd07RNqKMiosJ5DWgu8yFm28MAZm+VuQ3ac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mbkqd1G+xZTmyb44mZQLT7zcQVBY4wyqG1qpGDYAIaoshbHPg1dlUAih8I2pwddY3tEK0j+Qus48oA7vvMrtxKt3fC7Qx2WzNYCgoyVLo+arJaMO3ZIUdCsNyafZamRvD9FY9oqMw6knsMMF9FXn+GIDyHkQVZSp22WP1d+033s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25E81@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <200708150436.l7F4aQhZ039241@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25E81@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75EF9FA5-096B-49E8-915C-C083CA243E95@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:15:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:15:46 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 14.50, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > I play with a drummer who hates playing to clicks, & likes the idea > of a piece changing tempo as dictated by the act of playing it. to > accommodate this, I have experimented with various tap-tempo tricks > going back as far as the kahler human clock. now I think an actual > "throttle pedal" is probably the best way forward. What's a "throttle pedal"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:20:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92EC3BFA3; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AavvKbdwEtd++CAMurNfWujPNCCGk0L/sfbh53eLuvyIs7ckXdBf+rGNf1Z8LGS2lEMRqrfBeoqXua2IFrB9OmugfOjYS3FD8EknBYUsHRqjRT6oKdmncrPbRzO+hDUbRwdDBrvPgT8cY7rLUfKAwO0MO6Tb7bEFxrMcRSraG0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MSngs+Pdpfz9N3qyWA/qUyf4+cIGMhZlh1H2HUTTNw0YMeabgCFjAll836bMJtzgMeVSQsjCvtnVmLJ0NC2KwbW77bEkbeLZiN6Wwu9PVnVNFrkQemGykHdkL+Y29904bTlDt9dEcRam7c0p44d20ZLam+8+7dqLGe3iNayf4sg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002601c7df3c$7c86cf70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <002601c7df3c$7c86cf70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03637326-C21C-4D60-9891-6FDE2F260C7C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:20:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:30 +0000 (UTC) >> When thinking twice I'm not sure it will work so well with fretless On 15 aug 2007, at 15.02, Michael Peters wrote: > > don't know about that Per ... maybe you should ask the bridge > manufacturer > what they think ... maybe they give you a bridge to try it out ... Or eventually I can borrow one for test and write a review of it for the Scandinavian guitar player magazine. That would spread the word to benefit other musicians around here that might be interested in getting one. >> Can post a link to a sound file where you play that guitar? > > a short one ... listen to the Dec 17 entry on my MY2K diary page: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/my2k.htm Thanks! Sounds nice. Seems as the bridge makes a guitar sound like a frettless guitar ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75343BFA8; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <99F374FA-5FEF-4719-8D4F-2B8E363D4669@mac.com> References: <20070814160652.CG425.70971.root@fepweb02> <213301c7deb9$eb7221b0$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <99F374FA-5FEF-4719-8D4F-2B8E363D4669@mac.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:10:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120376b9b68eb6dcdfcdb3943f12ddc95a9c38229cfed125005350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:29:46 +0000 (UTC) >. There was a study by some psychologists that concluded that when >people listen to the music of their youth they feel younger and are >in better health. Go figure. Listen to Rambler... Live longer. > >Teddy Teddy, I've often thought that nostalgia and clamoring for more comfortable times while experiencing a stressfull present were great sales motivators. Can you please send some information on the study you've sited above? -CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:31:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBCD93BFAF; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:31:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070815133155.AEC2424799@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:31:56 +0000 (UTC) that looks interesting, anyone know if they're going to sell on line or be able to download a demo? Paul Haslem At 08:39 AM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days. >Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > >http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html > > --m. >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:43:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 024833BF70; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=acNwP9626XwxsHettaBjWnzmrBhwhLOJflI6I7eEUatkP9khr+QV9cQrRH142p90YZf/sdDhLqEYINxH2xoFjkC3nxEheW0ZhdtiFuMmJ4DfarQJQbNUbzG8Wv68OeHlRzcL8IbcwDWbhCqs0Rr85GJfG9nTuWCOHMBUEM31Kf0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=emUXg+0GwDgwRXqpTtil2SsmQaXW38MqKBug3L/c3Cbx+9pIeIZ5M6z4hKA7zgDZxrpZ72MMILYmNFJ/umvgkhH5eGkBPlJdzsBhjJCzOm6QKnUj813Ee5nsovosGwmHI6q96Oz1TWUXxKQx0qF7Cpj2ObJVZCgRH8NhErhlKCs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:43:17 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar In-Reply-To: <007801c7dde5$a97b7c40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52679_5852346.1187185397297" References: <007801c7dde5$a97b7c40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52679_5852346.1187185397297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is exactly how I ended up with the solution I posted for you a while back. "Native" sync in Bidule for Mobius just doesn't work for me - even with VSTs that have a little "s" next to them. Maybe try my approach with MIDI clock routing to a "Clock to Sync" bidule? Doug On 8/13/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Yeah, I got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen. I've > tried > both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make my drum > vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start. If I keep > it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120 even > though > I've set it to sync. Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't know > but > it sure is frustrating. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > > On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I > > get Mobius > > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to > > it. What's > > your secret!? > > Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a > little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select > "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > ------=_Part_52679_5852346.1187185397297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is exactly how I ended up with the solution I posted for you a while back.

"Native" sync in Bidule for Mobius just doesn't work for me - even with VSTs that have a little "s" next to them. 

Maybe try my approach with MIDI clock routing to a "Clock to Sync" bidule?

Doug

On 8/13/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Yeah, I got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen.  I've tried
both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make my drum
vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start.  If I keep
it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120 even though
I've set it to sync.  Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't know but
it sure is frustrating.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto: perboysen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar

On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen.  I
> get Mobius
> working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to
> it.  What's
> your secret!?

Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a
little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select
"Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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------=_Part_52679_5852346.1187185397297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:55:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4944F3BFB0; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ly2SlN4aNjK85cFkgl+9l4a5f2blg/6/iwae80uGCPQhUqstL2om9V1uIBJ6IYsBfRLsf/zmH+ZUfGiW9HaA0oqGgM0rv1501b68AxgsRAwJkotdko8mgF/VgBJKx3SCj4PB5JVod6Sa8LAgqBDJ//GzyV9Gd0DuIjwnrIcrY6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M7KWo6P4x7E02q4+uf9ccGPf9uykxkvKqWlx2b2qXXZMXeiwwpnIvBfX1lebMHPuSEqUv1/IVvRuR7GCCHUA8pxt5TsKutNGRADhugPJW2Kk4AjFIMTkkk9dLtswyh7Upcwzx/oFDEPKG8a4fDZYrd8kEFhw1m20+xcIncR6VJA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <007801c7dde5$a97b7c40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50A6BB20-E347-4BA0-8543-566E719D2D0C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: sync in Bidule (Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:55:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Short add-on here: On Mac I use the "MIDI Clock To Sync" Bidule module to create a master (Bidule "native") clock sync from the MIDI Clock signal sent out by the Augustus Loop plug-in. "MIDI Clock To Sync" also worked fine when I tested under Windows for FXpansions GURU, that typically doesn't catch up on the VST2.0 sync format. I don't have any experience with the NI stuff Mark uses, but I think there's a fair chance it would work. per On 15 aug 2007, at 15.43, Doug Cox wrote: > This is exactly how I ended up with the solution I posted for you a > while back. > "Native" sync in Bidule for Mobius just doesn't work for me - even > with VSTs that have a little "s" next to them. > Maybe try my approach with MIDI clock routing to a "Clock to Sync" > bidule? > > Doug > > On 8/13/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:Yeah, I > got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen. I've tried > both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make > my drum > vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start. If > I keep > it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120 > even though > I've set it to sync. Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't > know but > it sure is frustrating. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto: perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > > On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I > > get Mobius > > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to > > it. What's > > your secret!? > > Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a > little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select > "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:55:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A913BFC0; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZbC4R3+cX8ZuO1ZTY8NatzgZyDICq28V0dK64FlJ9Hcn2dBvNDukqJqSpAamss+iHm7EETianyQiZXdFMLdaEDL0WbQuam61RCRv7NzjKfN1H2enXb/JQ1TPLQYBPqmApDRbvemUSkZ1VklkLpibjXq8cLzU47om/U+zxiDiDQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZqM3Sze95Ftb07ArywJbj0lnrsgba7y/t1vRSC4BQTb8kdy5YH8hjQuw76pTyieQZ1qbl1xAAT8nAEWkgRKwwtMHRyN3n9eCFVn3STVmqznhnjZFsVbVBVOtiTP5eluhikpCEEV0jmVcXwxQiewyPvXKTOh4fHUHDMZKyBRNqK4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:55:39 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... In-Reply-To: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52809_29398030.1187186139009" References: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:55:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52809_29398030.1187186139009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, It looks like it may also operate as a VST. In the "Features" list, there are two lines: - VST Effects hosting - VST Effect operation mode That second line gives me hope that it might run as a VST. (fingers crossed!) Definitely nothing about AU though. Doug On 8/15/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 15 aug 2007, at 14.39, Mech wrote: > > > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days. > > Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html > > > Wow! I heard some whispering about this but I did not know it was > already public. But it seems there is no way yet to buy this product? > When you click "Purchase" you get > > >> Electrix is currently seeking new dealers and international > >> distributors. > > I had hoped the Virtual Repeater should have been made available as > an AU or VST plug-in but now I see that it is actually a standalone > host application. That makes it difficult to use it in a looping > system spliced together with Max or Bidule. But on the other hand the > VR can host VST plug-ins, so there's at least a bit of headroom > there. It may even be funny and open new windows to loop with such > restrictions. > > I think it's a bit of a bummer though that Virtual Repeater doesn't > support AU plug-ins. Since the VST format has not been "looked after" > particularly well by its original inventor Steinberg, there are so > many bad VST plug-ins in circulation today. That's one reason why I > like to work in OS X these days; with only documented well > functioning AU plug-ins you get much more time left over for making > music, as compared to working under Windows with (eventually > malfunctioning) VST based plug-ins. > > Good to see even the Virtual Repeater does time-stretching down to 1 > BPM. My hardware Repeater sounded so inspiring doing that. I know, at > least on Mac (by experiencing the AU Looper), that those cool slowed > down sounds are possible in software. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > ------=_Part_52809_29398030.1187186139009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per,

It looks like it may also operate as a VST.  In the "Features" list, there are two lines:

  • VST Effects hosting
  • VST Effect operation mode
That second line gives me hope that it might run as a VST. (fingers crossed!)

Definitely nothing about AU though.

Doug


On 8/15/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 aug 2007, at 14.39, Mech wrote:

> This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days.
> Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet...
> http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html


Wow! I heard some whispering about this but I did not know it was
already public. But it seems there is no way yet to buy this product?
When you click "Purchase" you get

>> Electrix is currently seeking new dealers and international
>> distributors.

I had hoped the Virtual Repeater should have been made available as
an AU or VST plug-in but now I see that it is actually a standalone
host application. That makes it difficult to use it in a looping
system spliced together with Max or Bidule. But on the other hand the
VR can host VST plug-ins, so there's at least a bit of headroom
there. It may even be funny and open new windows to loop with such
restrictions.

I think it's a bit of a bummer though that Virtual Repeater doesn't
support AU plug-ins. Since the VST format has not been "looked after"
particularly well by its original inventor Steinberg, there are so
many bad VST plug-ins in circulation today. That's one reason why I
like to work in OS X these days; with only documented well
functioning AU plug-ins you get much more time left over for making
music, as compared to working under Windows with (eventually
malfunctioning) VST based plug-ins.

Good to see even the Virtual Repeater does time-stretching down to 1
BPM. My hardware Repeater sounded so inspiring doing that. I know, at
least on Mac (by experiencing the AU Looper), that those cool slowed
down sounds are possible in software.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)





------=_Part_52809_29398030.1187186139009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24BF23BED9; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rkLuTn66wi/6qwikXU9usLbtXBFm6Uc0puEefs6MkgRzjlinkU6fLbOwvdYZwRmF2d5IZsIBH0yVfR8mdmV7Nlv03iNhIz+ZTjbj/wJ0iRmVI2j1r6W9cpFEEWSfUt3oYR/oaXDwyM4m6dXPZ2sNxMdVrMhyaKvKc4gyuc7W1o0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dQC/r1uGHGM7QgCI1BFvnbY/y1GBCeJI91Q4+au57zKcYG1naOB1sg9rHVWBL7xl//CCJlJNpxM4Qihfq8xD7L4hOscLewAff0t5/Uf+PepK/kZcZnxBnS1bI8XXui69fUDjwhStGA0S0+s8p8D3CY0wkEpWx3222tV63z8Dn2w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:59:02 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sync in Bidule (Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar) In-Reply-To: <50A6BB20-E347-4BA0-8543-566E719D2D0C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52845_22545871.1187186342526" References: <007801c7dde5$a97b7c40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <50A6BB20-E347-4BA0-8543-566E719D2D0C@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:59:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52845_22545871.1187186342526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, it really is a mystery to me - but I've learned to accept it :) You're right - I would expect NI stuff to have a full VST implementation that would allow native Bidule sync to work. On 8/15/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > Short add-on here: > > On Mac I use the "MIDI Clock To Sync" Bidule module to create a > master (Bidule "native") clock sync from the MIDI Clock signal sent > out by the Augustus Loop plug-in. "MIDI Clock To Sync" also worked > fine when I tested under Windows for FXpansions GURU, that typically > doesn't catch up on the VST2.0 sync format. I don't have any > experience with the NI stuff Mark uses, but I think there's a fair > chance it would work. > > per > > > > > On 15 aug 2007, at 15.43, Doug Cox wrote: > > > This is exactly how I ended up with the solution I posted for you a > > while back. > > "Native" sync in Bidule for Mobius just doesn't work for me - even > > with VSTs that have a little "s" next to them. > > Maybe try my approach with MIDI clock routing to a "Clock to Sync" > > bidule? > > > > Doug > > > > On 8/13/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:Yeah, I > > got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen. I've tried > > both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make > > my drum > > vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start. If > > I keep > > it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120 > > even though > > I've set it to sync. Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't > > know but > > it sure is frustrating. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto: perboysen@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > > > > On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen. I > > > get Mobius > > > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to > > > it. What's > > > your secret!? > > > > Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a > > little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select > > "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_52845_22545871.1187186342526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, it really is a mystery to me - but I've learned to accept it :)

You're right - I would expect NI stuff to have a full VST implementation that would allow native Bidule sync to work.



On 8/15/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Short add-on here:

On Mac I use the "MIDI Clock To Sync" Bidule module to create a
master (Bidule "native") clock sync from the MIDI Clock signal sent
out by the Augustus Loop plug-in. "MIDI Clock To Sync" also worked
fine when I tested under Windows for FXpansions GURU, that typically
doesn't catch up on the VST2.0 sync format. I don't have any
experience with the NI stuff Mark uses, but I think there's a fair
chance it would work.

per




On 15 aug 2007, at 15.43, Doug Cox wrote:

> This is exactly how I ended up with the solution I posted for you a
> while back.
> "Native" sync in Bidule for Mobius just doesn't work for me - even
> with VSTs that have a little "s" next to them.
> Maybe try my approach with MIDI clock routing to a "Clock to Sync"
> bidule?
>
> Doug
>
> On 8/13/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:Yeah, I
> got that far but then nothing seems to actually happen.  I've tried
> both of Mobius' sync out modes but nothing seems to actually make
> my drum
> vst (any of them: Microtonic, Stylus, Jamstix, Krypt...) start.  If
> I keep
> it started it doesn't seem to change tempo from the default 120
> even though
> I've set it to sync.  Maybe I'm missing something simple... I don't
> know but
> it sure is frustrating.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per Boysen [mailto: perboysen@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar
>
> On 13 aug 2007, at 19.23, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
> > I can't for the life of me make that Mobius in Bidule happen.  I
> > get Mobius
> > working fine, but for some reason I can't make anything sync to
> > it.  What's
> > your secret!?
>
> Use VST plug-ins that support VST2.0 sync protocol (they show a
> little sync flag to the left of the icon). Right-click and select
> "Sync to Mobius" from the drop-down menu.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_52845_22545871.1187186342526-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577AF3BF33; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LaswtWO8fryYpWkmgn35EMxLLTwZms6uhMA7PyCzmtSRMaF8yV9fBC4MGGktInuld1tr6xJlIC8q6Imh78/rNWDoLCjUkWD/IeIjZ5LD70DFDbMIcVWa2TQa9xJaaQevviTKGnwN3EcX1NiaVKYz9dXfrxKR96BFxMx6ym51xSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MQ99leUwxmh4z6jPrJEQ/mf+XN17FOZZdH1SfKmg3wuuSH6B1kDH0b+q7VAD2HVm//LiwzvkTNJeWmE1mzBivdpgTtLwML9yNG2dJ1bf+oIasvKatxcOXWMugC50RS41bMDYTiiZa52YMhdZaTi/6eknVrd9P9SuRRS8CqRLqFc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09F8DBAA-1F5B-47F5-BF76-63EA7BEF379A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:26:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 15.55, Doug Cox wrote: > Per, > > It looks like it may also operate as a VST. In the "Features" > list, there are two lines: > > VST Effects hosting > VST Effect operation mode > That second line gives me hope that it might run as a VST. (fingers > crossed!) Oops... I missed that one! This was good news! :-)) This means you can include the Virtual Repeater VST in a looping rig you set up in Bidule. Nice. > Definitely nothing about AU though. I don't have a big problem with that because I don't use many VST plug-ins and when I use a Mac I can mix VST and AU in the same Bidule setup. I have already done my homework to test out and finding a couple of correctly coded VST2.0 plug-ins that I can rely on. Another cool thing I've heard, that I yet have to test myself, is that on a Mac you can save a Bidule set-up, including VST plug-ins, as a Group that work fine in the AU plug-in version of Bidule (Bidule AU is only available to "Early Bird license" owners). Even though this Bidule AU setup runs VST plug-ins you can load the AU into an AU host that normally would not load VST plug-ins. This looks like a good strategy for running the Virtual Repeater inside the AU host Numerology. This will give you all the good stuff in modular sequencing combined with time-stretch compatible audio looping. You will be able to send sequences of commands to the looper and even keep those commands quantized to a Groove Template Clock that itself can be instantly adjusted (while you perform) from a MIDI expression pedal etc. One of the classic key element production tools in electronic dance music finally made available for audio looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:29:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 678143BF56; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:29:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8wIuvD.A.zYH.12wwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:29:10 +0000 (UTC) > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired a good graphics designer :-) It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater. If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing, it bodes well for the future of software looping. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:58:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6D83BF17; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:58:06 +0000 Message-Id: <081520071458.10067.46C3147E000AF8CA000027532212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10067_1187189886_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:58:08 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10067_1187189886_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least consistent. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeffrey Larson > > > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of > > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html > > Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired > a good graphics designer :-) > > It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this > affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater. > If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing, > it bodes well for the future of software looping. > > Jeff > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10067_1187189886_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least consistent.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com>

>
> > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of
> > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet...
> >
> > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html
>
> Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired
> a good graphics designer :-)
>
> It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this
> affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater.
> If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing,
> it bodes well for the future of software looping.
>
> Jeff
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10067_1187189886_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 14:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C9C3BF1F; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:59:47 +0000 Message-Id: <081520071459.16508.46C314E300042C610000407C2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16508_1187189987_0" Resent-Message-ID: <3dMLxC.A.u0.kTxwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16508_1187189987_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Per, I see you use Bidule. Can you describe how you use it a little? How would it compare to Live 6? Is it completely different? I was looking at and trying to figure how its used. Thanks MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 15 aug 2007, at 15.55, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Per, > > > > It looks like it may also operate as a VST. In the "Features" > > list, there are two lines: > > > > VST Effects hosting > > VST Effect operation mode > > That second line gives me hope that it might run as a VST. (fingers > > crossed!) > > > Oops... I missed that one! This was good news! :-)) This means you > can include the Virtual Repeater VST in a looping rig you set up in > Bidule. Nice. > > > Definitely nothing about AU though. > > I don't have a big problem with that because I don't use many VST > plug-ins and when I use a Mac I can mix VST and AU in the same Bidule > setup. I have already done my homework to test out and finding a > couple of correctly coded VST2.0 plug-ins that I can rely on. > > Another cool thing I've heard, that I yet have to test myself, is > that on a Mac you can save a Bidule set-up, including VST plug-ins, > as a Group that work fine in the AU plug-in version of Bidule (Bidule > AU is only available to "Early Bird license" owners). Even though > this Bidule AU setup runs VST plug-ins you can load the AU into an AU > host that normally would not load VST plug-ins. This looks like a > good strategy for running the Virtual Repeater inside the AU host > Numerology. This will give you all the good stuff in modular > sequencing combined with time-stretch compatible audio looping. You > will be able to send sequences of commands to the looper and even > keep those commands quantized to a Groove Template Clock that itself > can be instantly adjusted (while you perform) from a MIDI expression > pedal etc. One of the classic key element production tools in > electronic dance music finally made available for audio looping. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16508_1187189987_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Per,
I see you use Bidule. Can you describe how you use it a little? How would it compare to Live 6? Is it completely different? I was looking at and trying to figure how its used.
Thanks
MFC
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 15 aug 2007, at 15.55, Doug Cox wrote:
>
> > Per,
> >
> > It looks like it may also operate as a VST. In the "Features"
> > list, there are two lines:
> >
> > VST Effects hosting
> > VST Effect operation mode
> > That second line gives me hope that it might run as a VST. (fingers
> > crossed!)
>
>
> Oops... I missed that one! This was good news! :-)) This means you
> can include the Virtual Repeater VST in a looping rig you set up in
> Bidule. Nice.
>
> > Definitely nothing about AU though.
>
> I don't have a big problem with that because I don't use many VST
> plug-ins and when I use a Mac I can mix VST and AU in the same Bidule
> setup. I have already done my homework to test out and finding a
> couple of correctly coded VST2.0 plug-ins that I can rely on.
>
> Another cool thing I've heard, that I yet have to test myself, is
> that on a Mac you can save a Bidule set-up, including VST plug-ins,
> as a Group that work fine in the AU plug-in version of Bidule (Bidule
> AU is only available to "Early Bird license" owners). Even though
> this Bidule AU setup runs VST plug-ins you can load the AU into an AU
> host that normally would not load VST plug-ins. This looks like a
> good strategy for running the Virtual Repeater inside the AU host
> Numerology. This will give you all the good stuff in modular
> sequencing combined with time-stretch compatible audio looping. You
> will be able to send sequences of commands to the looper and even
> keep those commands quantized to a Groove Template Clock that it self
> can be instantly adjusted (while you perform) from a MIDI expression
> pedal etc. One of the classic key element production tools in
> electronic dance music finally made available for audio looping.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
>
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16508_1187189987_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034DF3BF1F; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:01:25 +0200 Message-ID: <004101c7df4d$27212d30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcffROEgFMGXr3h1Qna3RfkWw4p4+QACB9Iw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:01:31 +0000 (UTC) > I had hoped the Virtual Repeater should have been made available as > an AU or VST plug-in but now I see that it is actually a standalone > host application. it says: "VST Effect operation mode" ... doesn't that mean that it can be used as a VST plugin? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B006C3BF2A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BF7ZkQtqcD55y1WnYWmLSoFEBhvdVUmsFg3/AE5Gfwh0a34on4wYDJgLY+kqB43hsFoGYFOZfnG72aCphIxX1CaC9zuNifkx6Xtgnz/x92Pip+KE7w3DpnBFcNdGP3z06ZVNPM8oM99vpkmLOCy6QgucTp5l4OuYtcLQqghC1Qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SMFO1d8tZMGL1tAC8SYZKL7cqKzpztXeDyPwK57h3UNftrPILohtGA4gXeeogOoZzR0kuyY044OAJLrbt9UfvWqSvdhOPvVhgSfVWfM6CdHZsDlcksyKchDys1FoYSi8+69oCPj+mU8WDlGy/XvmuR+pG+XBiulHefDoi33E2Uk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <081520071458.10067.46C3147E000AF8CA000027532212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <081520071458.10067.46C3147E000AF8CA000027532212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:01:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:01:32 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 16.58, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least > consistent. Hmm... maybe they just went out of business? ;-) According to Jeff's insightful development budget scenario the other day Electrix must owe some hacker a big bin of dough. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:03:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585C03BF32; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:03:35 +0000 Message-Id: <081520071503.2330.46C315C70005645E0000091A2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2330_1187190215_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2330_1187190215_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wasn't going to say anything about that. But.... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 15 aug 2007, at 16.58, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least > > consistent. > > > Hmm... maybe they just went out of business? ;-) According to > Jeff's insightful development budget scenario the other day Electrix > must owe some hacker a big bin of dough. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2330_1187190215_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I wasn't going to say anything about that. But....
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 15 aug 2007, at 16.58, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least
> > consistent.
>
>
> Hmm... maybe they just went out of business? ;-) According to
> Jeff's insightful development budget scenario the other day Electrix
> must owe some hacker a big bin of dough.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
>
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2330_1187190215_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14E323BF3B; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 763858642 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:09:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25FB9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <75EF9FA5-096B-49E8-915C-C083CA243E95@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Thread-Index: AcffTk5YBshm2rHAQrWMPi5gQV0IKQ== References: <75EF9FA5-096B-49E8-915C-C083CA243E95@gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 15:09:42.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E9502A0:01C7DF4E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:09:58 +0000 (UTC) >>What's a "throttle pedal"?<< like in a car.=20 I was thinking, after writing the original mail, that for tempo adjustments on the fly, you want something like a pitch-wheel that springs back to a central position, & knocking it either way briefly would adjust the tempo. a tiny bit of adjustment in a sort of dead-ish area near the centre of the pedal's travel, with the adjustment getting more extreme at the ends of the pedal's travel. if you've used a pitch-wheel on a synth, you'll know what I mean. my particular challenge is that there are three of us in my band, & it will most likely always be three, + the occasional guest.=20 as bass/drums/guitar with electronics, we use a lot of pre-fabricated parts in looping midi sequencers (the sequentix p3, a doepfer maq) aswell as parts in the repeater. the drummer doesn't like clicks or flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM.=20 tap tempo is fine, but by the time you've started to hear the sequencers & loops lagging the drums slightly, you also need to slip them aswell as make the tempo correction. the solution is to accelerate briefly to a higher-than-required tempo so that the midi clocked parts catch up to the drummer, then relax back to the new higher tempo. same goes for slowing things down. & you need to do this with a single, intuitive control that works by being kicked while you're not looking at it or concentrating on it especially hard. I would therefore most likely design a centred foot pedal that looks like a half-open wah/volume pedal & is sprung to settle in that position. either side of this, it uses midi CC to raise or lower the tempo around a relatively insensitive zone (like our synth pitch-wheel) but which at both ends of it's travel would also have a PC switch to make a permanent change to the tempo. obviously, the various values for CC & PC would be determined empirically..... ah, projects..... :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:11:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C123BF46; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 763859625 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF4E.98AD16DD" Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:11:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25FBB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Thread-Index: AcffTpiGcr/Il7K0RpqL8kxgMynwKA== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 15:11:46.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[98CB9370:01C7DF4E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:11:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF4E.98AD16DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable back in april, I was in a guitar shop in copenhagen where there was a defretted gibson marauder. I very nearly bought it- the closest I've come to buying a gibbo of any sort. it was great fun & not nearly as hard to play as I'd imagined, but then I spend quite a bit of time on fretless basses.... =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF4E.98AD16DD Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
back in april, I was in = a guitar=20 shop in copenhagen where there was a defretted gibson marauder. I very = nearly=20 bought it- the closest I've come to buying a gibbo of any sort. it was = great fun=20 & not nearly as hard to play as I'd imagined, but then I spend quite = a bit=20 of time on fretless basses....
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7DF4E.98AD16DD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:29:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C0083BF24; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g2QVdC4zLY6YB/HHgQq4j6SSPvRLOXgqQ4ibgFJ4rG3YVMZzvhZ7+TqT2VQ3VdGyPO+vANZn666WahBpMjD/+REUkx2Jj4t6bEXvXBUJz1+RsCODBv4sUG1HbWP3G8S7ZPA/CU0zFa8WkfoVSKLVoCRWUPR/Q+WDpkUdTSr4iS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Bg3LkGiPrNjSV11DVnXegHXe1/yqZaczI836cLmgpIgEnPax5YHujE94QJxb/mpU0gtohWFQ836UwNzTFwc2mqahdsx2pUBnyCGlB5r2I9bvdDzW2B9ljXI4mJ2HCUKDbaPgl9VjIglQEx+37cw2zcnPwWz7mrn00GPEz7fTxFw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <081520071459.16508.46C314E300042C610000407C2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <081520071459.16508.46C314E300042C610000407C2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <272560AF-16BE-4291-9DAF-E9910841FED0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:29:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 16.59, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Per, > I see you use Bidule. Can you describe how you use it a little? How > would it compare to Live 6? Is it completely different? I was > looking at and trying to figure how its used. > Thanks > MFC I use Bidule as a VST2.0 host and a mixer/patchbay for (1) audio streams, (2) MIDI streams and (3) Bidule exclusive controller data streams. Something I like with Bidule is that it is totally compatible with both Windows XP and Mac OS X. So the setups I'm making on the Mac for Augustus Loop does also work if loaded into Windows on my PC, I just have to replace Ausustus Loop AU with Mobius VST. This looks all future proof to me now when the VRP is knocking on the door (I will run the Virutal Repeater on Mac because I'm such a big fan of Michael Norris granular AU plug-ins http:// www.michaelnorris.info/soundmagicspectral/. Live 6? I think they are so different that I don't want to try making a comparison. Only one point: I want to set the tempo from my playing by the first loop recorded. This doesn't work well in Live, so my looping in Live ends right there. But I use live for other tasks though, just not live-looping. Bidule, on the other hand, does well support Mobius sent out VST2.0 sync and tempo so any tempo relating VST plug-in can be set to follow that temp with just one mouse-click. Hmm.... one other thing that is better in Live is the MIDI sequencing capabilities. But maybe that's not interesting for so many people. I at least, like very much to put some looper commands into MIDI sequencing, even looping sequences, instead of tap dancing them on my floor board. In Live you simply create a MIDI clip and route its output into the looper plug-in and the sent out MIDI events can be globally controlled by a continuous Groove Template parameter. This is not directly available in Bidule, although I succeeded pretty fast to use Bidule's MIDI Step Sequencer module to play havoc with pitch in the looper. Bidule doesn't have a built-in way of dealing with groove quantizing. On the other hand, compared to Numerology, Live is rudimentary in this department. Oh... I just remembered a second important factor that makes me want to loop with Bidule as host instead of Live and that is saving CPU power when using many alternative effect chain patches. I like to put effects before the looper and record the treated sound into my loops and for this I find Bidule perfect. It has a module called Audio Switcher that got expanded up to the maximum of 128 alternative effect chains with the latest Bidule update last week. I have been using 16 effect chains with Mobius and found that I can easily relate to all of them and even wish for the option to have more. So now I'm rebuilding my setup around the 128 tag Audio Switcher. This is funny, because as a guitar player in the past I have always wanted to plug directly into a tube amp and not use many effects at all. But it's different when you are looping; the looper becomes your canvas and you just can't have too many colors on your palette. The point here is that in Bidule all those 127 muted effect chains doesn't cost you any CPU at all. Only the active chain is taxing the CPU. If you switch patch, however, before a delay- or reverb tail has faded out this plug-in audio buffer will be kept in RAM until you un-mute that effect chain again and this buffer will be the first audio to be heard. Maybe not fun if you are now in a different key ;-)) But good thing is there are so many kind people at the Bidule forum and I was given a Bidule Group especially created to keep the old signal chain open until the audi tail has faded when you change for another patch chain. I tride to us Live 6 "Racks" to save CPU but found it impossible to just disconnect plug-ins when not in use, so Bidule wins this round big. ' Hope this was to any help. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:31:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04FAF3BF2B; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MEHjdIVHB/keHoaSPsMIL0IX/kPx2rjDS9kaC6jXDnz1x8bK3LT+JpDC4FHjVvbOz2VIS2xBRAB7I6FDgspYfT7jRWWt0EmrKd0L9FbU9MhHjKl8MyYdcto9lTR7l0YINUVAZ3MXSsTgzDSrI5eWeRWb+Tu/TcEobDevwIMWpb8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kPLK6lJO/d2SMln8T3oKJGEaIl89XHY4kiXyzyHDLllZhFUI/iRsLmehAHIwOEhyN5s6nv4qV3q0k01FWEC7g2G/9TCynyUKYYPwDM8DK/dDL/t2KrQS+zb49WaY3o+I8P+v5wfA0DwwEcZKbTvEO3ykWh0hkKS0E+5p+A7zCFc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <004101c7df4d$27212d30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <8F1B308B-9036-4E9B-BB28-0C3D5184A552@gmail.com> <004101c7df4d$27212d30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:31:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:31:34 +0000 (UTC) >> I had hoped the Virtual Repeater should have been made available as >> an AU or VST plug-in but now I see that it is actually a standalone >> host application. > > it says: "VST Effect operation mode" ... doesn't that mean that it > can be > used as a VST plugin? Yes. And VST is not as good as AU for this busy user ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:40:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 666273BF41; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VGR2TqGzAWmzvXq8wHclVbqerJWfcV4x5+HkbzYvauYk/CAXBNPz2wlvzrvlbCNY9EFQljcbKnMosESk7T3qI4GJL0TwYq+oE17gmif9wCO8gh/OT82PywQijOnkwJrZyMThX00fGpsX+9pgEkGE9R4W451BXiVGT0mgZIb/zSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QDQuztkA7S1By55/7ckXuMouAy2lK0Inkgq5BP2Ux4L3DZEJCRm+4yOlPDj9TL3rdPt2+5XFPzsZSaWDRsdjc3eepTlRivUKUrzuXXPE3Ojc1H+M9mAk+YtFKXeJwWU2Ur2jLkOD1XEIW2pwWXY+SMH24NegrGzw5UQfMWMJBcU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25FB9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <75EF9FA5-096B-49E8-915C-C083CA243E95@gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B25FB9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when live-looping.... any ideas? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:40:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:40:56 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 17.09, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > same goes for slowing things down. & you need to do this with a > single, > intuitive control that works by being kicked while you're not > looking at > it or concentrating on it especially hard. > > I would therefore most likely design a centred foot pedal that looks > like a half-open wah/volume pedal & is sprung to settle in that > position. either side of this, it uses midi CC to raise or lower the > tempo around a relatively insensitive zone (like our synth pitch- > wheel) > but which at both ends of it's travel would also have a PC switch to > make a permanent change to the tempo. obviously, the various values > for > CC & PC would be determined empirically..... I'm sure that solution would have a too short action distance for me to work in a musical way. I would need at least 50 cm to move tempo as I play. I'm not speaking "correcting my own looper's tempo according to band mates" here but rather doing some meaningful playing with ritardando or accelerando. It seems this may be possible with the VRP. Funny how this upcoming VRP creeps into every thread.... A very good technique for changing tempo to stay in sync with freely playing band mates is IMHO how the EDP works; Multiply ended by Record. Mostly I go Record directly to play a new loop in the new tempo. All gear synced after the EDP will then catch on. I guess with the VRP you may also want to try out to stick a mic into the kick drum, cabble it into one audio interface input and route the signal to the Beat Sync function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:57:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2B03BF10; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.202] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070815124107.A510E3BF9C@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Imitation vs influence Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:57:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 15:57:26.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA164980:01C7DF54] Resent-Message-ID: <9ENhV.A.OhE.pJywGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Since I used Hendrix as an examle ,if you liksten to blues guitatr ,it's quite plain Hendrix was influenced by everyone who went before,esp Muddy Waters,all the Kings ,well maybe not Don KIng or the King family or king George ,butBB Freddy Albert and Earl.Buddy Guy Magic Sam John Lee Hooker etc. But he never tried to make you think he's them,or plays one of their solos note for note,ona recording or on stage. In jazz blues folk styles having some roots is a very good thing,adding something to the vocabulary of the tradition is a very good thing. In nontrad styles originality is very important,but is one of severla aesthetic criteria to be balanced creatively. This doesn't mean that someone who just plays for the joy of it has to do any particular thing,but if someone wants the attention of an audience putting more attention ,emotion and care into it makes them worthy ,in my aesthietics of attention.Merely mimicing someone else who does make the commitment to crafting something fresh is just not interesting. coltrane and hendrix each had technique that went so far beyond what preceeded them that many oftheir followers got hung up in those techniques to the detriment of other musical qulaities,like genuine voice. soulfullness etc. Everyone has an individual voice ,but if they never express it cause they're mimicking someone else's ,it's boring.But being influenced by someone who plays soulfully,is wonderful if it's inspirational. _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:57:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43FCA3BF32; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:30 +0000 Message-Id: <081520071557.5690.46C3226A0002B1E10000163A2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <8wNb8D.A.ckE.tJywGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, that was very generous of you to be so detailed. It was a great help. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Per Boysen > On 15 aug 2007, at 16.59, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > Per, > > I see you use Bidule. Can you describe how you use it a little? How > > would it compare to Live 6? Is it completely different? I was > > looking at and trying to figure how its used. > > Thanks > > MFC > > > I use Bidule as a VST2.0 host and a mixer/patchbay for (1) audio > streams, (2) MIDI streams and (3) Bidule exclusive controller data > streams. Something I like with Bidule is that it is totally > compatible with both Windows XP and Mac OS X. So the setups I'm > making on the Mac for Augustus Loop does also work if loaded into > Windows on my PC, I just have to replace Ausustus Loop AU with Mobius > VST. This looks all future proof to me now when the VRP is knocking > on the door (I will run the Virutal Repeater on Mac because I'm such > a big fan of Michael Norris granular AU plug-ins http:// > www.michaelnorris.info/soundmagicspectral/. > > Live 6? I think they are so different that I don't want to try making > a comparison. Only one point: I want to set the tempo from my playing > by the first loop recorded. This doesn't work well in Live, so my > looping in Live ends right there. But I use live for other tasks > though, just not live-looping. Bidule, on the other hand, does well > support Mobius sent out VST2.0 sync and tempo so any tempo relating > VST plug-in can be set to follow that temp with just one mouse-click. > > Hmm.... one other thing that is better in Live is the MIDI sequencing > capabilities. But maybe that's not interesting for so many people. I > at least, like very much to put some looper commands into MIDI > sequencing, even looping sequences, instead of tap dancing them on my > floor board. In Live you simply create a MIDI clip and route its > output into the looper plug-in and the sent out MIDI events can be > globally controlled by a continuous Groove Template parameter. This > is not directly available in Bidule, although I succeeded pretty fast > to use Bidule's MIDI Step Sequencer module to play havoc with pitch > in the looper. Bidule doesn't have a built-in way of dealing with > groove quantizing. On the other hand, compared to Numerology, Live is > rudimentary in this department. > > Oh... I just remembered a second important factor that makes me want > to loop with Bidule as host instead of Live and that is saving CPU > power when using many alternative effect chain patches. I like to put > effects before the looper and record the treated sound into my loops > and for this I find Bidule perfect. It has a module called Audio > Switcher that got expanded up to the maximum of 128 alternative > effect chains with the latest Bidule update last week. I have been > using 16 effect chains with Mobius and found that I can easily relate > to all of them and even wish for the option to have more. So now I'm > rebuilding my setup around the 128 tag Audio Switcher. This is funny, > because as a guitar player in the past I have always wanted to plug > directly into a tube amp and not use many effects at all. But it's > different when you are looping; the looper becomes your canvas and > you just can't have too many colors on your palette. The point here > is that in Bidule all those 127 muted effect chains doesn't cost you > any CPU at all. Only the active chain is taxing the CPU. If you > switch patch, however, before a delay- or reverb tail has faded out > this plug-in audio buffer will be kept in RAM until you un-mute that > effect chain again and this buffer will be the first audio to be > heard. Maybe not fun if you are now in a different key ;-)) But good > thing is there are so many kind people at the Bidule forum and I was > given a Bidule Group especially created to keep the old signal chain > open until the audi tail has faded when you change for another patch > chain. I tride to us Live 6 "Racks" to save CPU but found it > impossible to just disconnect plug-ins when not in use, so Bidule > wins this round big. ' Hope this was to any help. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 15:57:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A297F3BF47; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708151557.l7FFvXMO065972@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:57:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffU2gvIVAEijuUSNSvWtR1W40x2gAAKcRw In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Also a less expensive alternative is this sitar guitar bridge that you can find at Allparts; http://www.allparts.com/store/guitar-bridges-for-non-tremolo-guitars,Categor y.asp its made by gotoh and is the kind that the great Jerry Jones puts on his custom sitar guitars. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:21:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AC073BF24; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708151621.l7FGLBJr073305@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: "Virtual Repeater" Software Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:21:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffU2kF+L7oJ64fSzWHVZtVDUaUmgAAe1Ow In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:21:12 +0000 (UTC) The skinny is as follows, Electrix will first release a for PC virtual repeater and then come out with one for all of you Mac users in a couple of months..... I talked to them on Monday and the other development of note is they are fixing a few software bugs that occurred with there new software fix for the old repeaters. I personally didn't discover the bugs as they seem to be most noticeable when using a computer to automate the repeaters functions, and I don't use my repeater in this way. I have been meaning to write a more comprehensive review of the new feature set for the old repeater, but I've been holding off until they get the fixes working. Adam assured me that anyone who has bought the update will receive the new improved update free of charge. Before everyone starts ragging on Electrix again, I'd like to remind you all that these are new owners with absolutely nothing to do with the subterfuge that the original regime pissed everyone off with. They did however inherit the Repeater with all of its personality quirks and are doing what they can, given that the technology is over ten years old, and they are limited purely to software upgrades, as the age and unavailability of parts makes doing actual hardware mods virtually impossible. That being said, when they release a new hardware looper, and from what I'm told they are a month or two away from a working prototype, it will be redesigned using currently available parts, and will include such features as USB. That's all I know right now. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Sent: None Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 07 : Issue 604 Today's Topics: RE: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" [ "Dean, Hal " ] RE: Ritardandi and accelerandi when [ "Goddard, Duncan" ] Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software [ Per Boysen ] Re: Ritardandi and accelerandi when [ Per Boysen ] Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretle [ Per Boysen ] Re: NEW FRISELL RELAEASE "FLORATONE" [ Charles Zwicky ] Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretle [ "Doug Cox" ] sync in Bidule (Re: Sparce 'n Spacey [ Per Boysen ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.loopers-delight.com Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:24:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518403BF2E; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070815122441.h2x5wbmi8skswsgw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:24:41 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Imitation vs influence References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1d4gH.A.2yF.LjywGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:24:43 +0000 (UTC) I saw wonderful example of this on the weekend... I went to a blues =20 festival and saw Jeff Healey do an amazing version of All along the =20 watchtower. He started off with that very familiar wah wah solo from =20 Hendrix and gave just enough of it to take you back to Hendrix but =20 then went off in his own style and improvisations... Wow what a player! In a totaly different style I saw Robin Bullock (a great traditional =20 guitar etc. player) doing a flatpicking solo and in the midst of it =20 put in just enough of that familiar Smoke on the Water chord into that =20 you knew what was and made you laugh because it was such a huge jump =20 from the trad. fiddle tune that he was improvising on. I love hearing those little quotes in the midst of something else when =20 it's done musically. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting samba - : > > Since I used Hendrix as an examle ,if you liksten to blues guitatr > ,it's quite plain Hendrix was influenced by everyone who went > before,esp Muddy Waters,all the Kings ,well maybe not Don KIng or the > King family or king George ,butBB Freddy Albert and Earl.Buddy Guy > Magic Sam John Lee Hooker etc. But he never tried to make you think > he's them,or plays one of their solos note for note,ona recording or on > stage. In jazz blues folk styles having some roots is a very good > thing,adding something to the vocabulary of the tradition is a very > good thing. In nontrad styles originality is very important,but is one > of severla aesthetic criteria to be balanced creatively. This doesn't > mean that someone who just plays for the joy of it has to do any > particular thing,but if someone wants the attention of an audience > putting more attention ,emotion and care into it makes them worthy ,in > my aesthietics of attention.Merely mimicing someone else who does make > the commitment to crafting something fresh is just not interesting. > coltrane and hendrix each had technique that went so far beyond what > preceeded them that many oftheir followers got hung up in those > techniques to the detriment of other musical qulaities,like genuine > voice. soulfullness etc. Everyone has an individual voice ,but if they > never express it cause they're mimicking someone else's ,it's > boring.But being influenced by someone who plays soulfully,is wonderful > if it's inspirational. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! > http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=3Dclink_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:34:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B554F3BF20; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <224e01c7df5a$1be26120$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:34:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:12 +0000 (UTC) I'll be damned. Amazing. Now, let's see if Gibson jumps aboard and makes a virtual stereo EDP. This is exciting...not temping me to move from my max/msp looper, but tempting. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of > > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html > > Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired > a good graphics designer :-) > > It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this > affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater. > If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing, > it bodes well for the future of software looping. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:36:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D95A3BF3B; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=T85dpc2KhdP07R/ruuC1Rt44tc3XRb8Gy2P+/+Ply6HfNTq8Pl3ei/n22vwC/eDQRWYi04Y/rW3uusQIS01rgM1Pubg4vkClIeUTWoq9d81saxWTSz/imarz06b4vaoucPBZ2cNWYZxH37EQKu5x/Z/ZQCkb4E+SN97nT1N3Bz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d3xodatWQOw8gbd/kJxuaHFOvRIwR2MPPiq9Alzvefsr3r02FhxAQ7VOp8hnCGH7VoUPSQgt9alPo8y7Q1NtzPxowHqWD/bq5HrNRy00BJbeFp66lexFvbmuBXey82Bf7r9Xrma8W7PJqEA1eKaPihQEThxXHVT1otQEtGJVXMk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070815122441.h2x5wbmi8skswsgw@www.wightman.ca> References: <20070815122441.h2x5wbmi8skswsgw@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AE0120E-42F4-4214-B41A-9CA57E757EC0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Imitation vs influence Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:36:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:21 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 18.24, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > I saw wonderful example of this on the weekend... I went to a blues > festival and saw Jeff Healey do an amazing version of All along the > watchtower. He started off with that very familiar wah wah solo > from Hendrix and gave just enough of it to take you back to Hendrix > but then went off in his own style and improvisations... Wow what a > player! > In a totaly different style I saw Robin Bullock (a great > traditional guitar etc. player) doing a flatpicking solo and in the > midst of it put in just enough of that familiar Smoke on the Water > chord into that you knew what was and made you laugh because it was > such a huge jump from the trad. fiddle tune that he was improvising > on. > I love hearing those little quotes in the midst of something else > when it's done musically. Me too. Did you ever hear Dexter Gordon live? He was monstrous with that! Starting out with well known TV themes and jingles that everyone in the audience recognized. He just vowed them into the blistering be bop texture and if no one clapped hands or shouted the theme title he kept playing it over and over, more and more simple and finally totally un-musical and square, as if to punish us for not helping him along by smoothly recognizing the samples right on. He was a very funny guy in that way. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 16:52:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55123BF44; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C32F56.1020103@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:52:38 -0400 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam - Chinapainting tonight in Brooklyn References: <20070813185618.B2C873BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070813185618.B2C873BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Man, the list has been hopping, I can't even pretend to keep up this week. Anway, Jim Goodin and I are playing one more show as Chinapainting before I return to Mexico, tonight in Brooklyn. It's at a place called Zebulon Cafe Concert, in Williamsburg, at 258 Wythe Ave. (between 3rd and Metropolitan). Opening for us is Roger Lipson with his ensemble, Roger plays sitar and is joined by tabla as well as tanpura, a rare treat. They'll start at 9, we go on at 10, and the show is free, free, free. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:04:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E043BF2B; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:04:31 +0000 Message-Id: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Im trying not to get too excited. I loved the Repeater, at least on paper. If they actually do gets this out for Mac without major bugs, I will be psyched. I though Gibson was basically dropping the EDP. I would guess they would never sell ownership. Maybe they will jump into software instruments. Im surprised they haven't already. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > I'll be damned. Amazing. Now, let's see if Gibson jumps aboard and makes a > virtual stereo EDP. This is exciting...not temping me to move from my > max/msp looper, but tempting. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Larson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > > > > > > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of > > > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... > > > > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html > > > > Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired > > a good graphics designer :-) > > > > It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this > > affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater. > > If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing, > > it bodes well for the future of software looping. > > > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:05:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4DD3BF4E; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=go-GLZITOr66P5Z1OJYA:9 a=SwPWZLAtx6Pp75n4imVD6jNYbfUA:4 a=91RhpHFYRyQA:10 a=O7rNdChVKZG5OoXggJMA:9 a=08qKF39OTLhPBW5SarIA:7 a=ySJyUll1gnKSATzusggO6yuSU34A:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-38-584420575 Message-Id: From: monk Subject: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:05:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-38-584420575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed original version with footswitch, original software. US$500. if you're interested email me off list. monk@fuse.net --Apple-Mail-38-584420575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII original version with = footswitch, original software. US$500.






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= --Apple-Mail-38-584420575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:06:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3FB3BF57; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c7df5e$ac01afa0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffAIAFiHQJ7l/SROyvRtjbArcRcAAAil9QABbfcyA= In-Reply-To: <008501c7df02$ee97e890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) I can't tell how much the bridge is on that site, but my wife got me = this for Christmas last year: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rogue-STR1-Pro-Electric-Sitar-Guit= ar? sku=3D519273 It could probably benefit from a good set up, but it's a really = interesting instrument. 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JOHN BREDS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:14:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29113BF52; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:14:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of the Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > Im trying not to get too excited. I loved the Repeater, at least on paper. > If they actually do gets this out for Mac without major bugs, I will be > psyched. I though Gibson was basically dropping the EDP. I would guess > they would never sell ownership. Maybe they will jump into software > instruments. Im surprised they haven't already. > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Krispen Hartung" >> I'll be damned. Amazing. Now, let's see if Gibson jumps aboard and makes >> a >> virtual stereo EDP. This is exciting...not temping me to move from my >> max/msp looper, but tempting. >> >> Kris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeffrey Larson" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:29 AM >> Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... >> >> >> > >> > > This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of >> > > days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... >> > > >> > > http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html >> > >> > Well, well, someone finally took the bait! Or at least hired >> > a good graphics designer :-) >> > >> > It makes sense for them, it will be interesting to see if this >> > affects the development of the next generation hardware Repeater. >> > If they can pull this off and put some money behind marketing, >> > it bodes well for the future of software looping. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42EDB3BF33; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:30:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120376b9b68eb6dcdfcf3affca3215c7930a489d8f1b162ecba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Here are a few features off the top of my head... Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert patchpoint), individual outputs, full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing this causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, variable feedback control memory card backup and storage, usable physical user interface, metering for each track, headpone output with independant level control >Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features >of the Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control >is one? > >Kris -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:31:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B053BF60; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eXYOuOTA7mNdg6OYQjYpc1luE8y3HAqAmdFGuccbjI4G7WsCIv0K9CbYBFGER4EX6qCO1nGFBUdcB/VTrJ4PqR4R6ywGWt1aJWgb9XI4eSZ28Q0XddDkLI7MCXCEpMq13LZAgAYR0w6yBlbqHurSCSik0JhPr9Iv9LgLrnRs6w8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fuGhmQvRMOT/8sXWSdRKVL8i3JNezhJ28SW9MzJ3xteRDPQmYgSek7Trms/vcnQjHHnxRDqpRznP3GZMEskgrFrugFHWTxhujiRnid2XjoOYhLp331AZWNc3c5cj0xSsEPbEEddF8vR1l2ZIkx767wA4D4CStsy3JpJd/vT5F+8= In-Reply-To: <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A8A41E3-3008-4151-BF00-6C1DC21BF7CA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:31:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:31:17 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 19.14, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features > of the Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control > is one? I think there is only one more selling point and that is being available as software. Personally I prefer the EDP, but that might change when finally getting the VRP Mac. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:38:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDAF3BF39; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: a long delay Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c7df63$0f9ea500$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffIEMJfJxT+QJzSuKUCKaBDZq1RAAAtfYgAA8gsLA= In-Reply-To: <000401c7df23$c5097810$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:38:22 +0000 (UTC) I've never had any issues with Elottronix XL, but I must admit sometime = it's interface is less than intuitive. Check out Loopy llama I haven't used that one in a while but I remember thinking it was pretty useful and = simple. I did find a really simple vst looper that I love... I forget it's name = now though. Super simple clocked sync delay you can define in terms of measures... I'll try to remember to look for it tonight when I get home. = I forget it's name because what I've done is created a "template" Live 6 = file that I use over and over again and I keep Mobius in one of the sends and this other looper/delay in the second send. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:05 AM To: mulch-discuss@yahoogroups.com; Loopers Delight Subject: a long delay I'm looking for a simple and stable long delay VST plugin for my current Audiomulch setup. The Audiomulch delay can do 2 seconds only, and I'd = like to have 4 seconds or more. I've used the Elogoxa tape loop simulation = but something in my current AM setup tends to be unstable, sometimes = boosting the CPU load through the roof, and I suspect it could be the Elogoxa = plugin. I need something simple, not as sophisticated as Moebius, I really just = need long delay lines for this project. Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB403BF49; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2825@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Thread-Index: AcffYf1Qy+yh6qX1Qp6Ggwv/8+muRAAAF8tA References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-fplOD.A.39C.WuzwGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:44:55 +0000 (UTC) =20 If you read the press release there is a *ton* of stuff in there beyond a Repeater emulation. A lot of the features seem oriented toward the "DJ" looper: static loop browsing, VST hosting,=20 keyboard & mouse editing, flashy eye candy. It looks sort of like a simplified Ableton Live with first loop capability. This is smart because they'll be able to sell this to people that don't consider themselves "loopers" in the sense that we usually talk about, as well as satisfying improvisational loopers of the Repeater school. They can also price this at the level of other VST hosts rather than just a plugin. =20 I'll take January of 2008 for $400 Alex. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D82A63BF4F; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c7df64$09ccf860$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffOVqhh98p34oqS16ZTEoGpbb/EQAKlRvg In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Surprises me that Electrix didn't post it here. Hm... what's the largest online community of audio loopers...? Why no price? I'll be first in line to pay if this software is close to Repeater v2 specs. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... This has been up on the Electrix website for a couple of days. Surprised nobody else has brought it up yet... http://www.electrixpro.com/products/vrpro.html --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 17:50:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C602D3BF52; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:50:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the variable speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to create a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, both forward and backward. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Here are a few features off the top of my head... > > Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert > patchpoint), > individual outputs, > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing this > causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, > variable feedback control > memory card backup and storage, > usable physical user interface, > metering for each track, > headpone output with independant level control > >>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of the >>Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? >> >>Kris > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 18:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26ED13BF47; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:47:45 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't recall.. -Bob monk wrote: > original version with footswitch, original software. US$500. > > > > > > > if you're interested email me off list. > > > > monk@fuse.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 18:53:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53D83BF5C; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TI2tan1bwnp5My/pI+3kI1DNSU2P/ztGKNCsKcrPM+OwozsV2xp+bOP+pgChZNZ3rOnQ4thlHZxsLW2t04VaLihBPIWGjqgti3D4PIJQnSZlxAOJq+7gTIMszTyVQyef31TAgh5t0CqEWCqFiFega7fIHplbUq0RMAcCZ86N3KE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NcD22H+d/vBUDdUmF1yJCtEK8RtCc/A0KubK29h/LAnTXJ/bhPjruzYZnJ1i9iYPk86y6F6QBwcm/1gDovzaOLpWNTw22O7Y/o4YUT36ypDMr895gOZvWddVbhSxHKFmizFkJa68/JymhC8XDRqaIC8Gi/acAv3Of6+Z29QKltQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:53:28 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale In-Reply-To: <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:53:30 +0000 (UTC) $120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. TH On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't recall.. -Bob > > monk wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 19:13:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01EF23BF72; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qeLoG7bApsKRYRYW1agEwdPWqmZrDr+G6i76k93u1grDzMStE2FBzxDMDMA+qQIOdUOz0/He/mjWNYB3kOqo60MH0xF13GAe9OLOk2epcjRcnq4ymnA0xMshDa2J5S+AZU2TfQA2IkUUw1obBujChWTxohMgUi1hjiOxAW6h0ek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pXQV0/+58RcAxRsLyc+nWyKCQxSNq456B7qxDwTCSoDxELaGXJM4eQTOOq8lSHDOJdkoXSeLudl/wX4AdBLu+fV/qzk3QaDJhObOROKzbpSWIH6+ZAOoL8uxbfz9xSdJ/vb796uI6sUVFVrjU/tmq9TIltI4bazME9umJG1YO+E= Message-ID: <588ce11d0708151213p49b1cf77t2099b453cd45dda9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:13:42 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... In-Reply-To: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_YNwpC.A.wGB.nB1wGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Boy, I'd love to see this thing happen, but I won't get too excited. There are a lot of people here who feel they've been strung along by Electrix. For this to work, they need a continuing development process that responds to bug reports--getting the software to the point where it's stable and usable. They haven't been able to actually bring anything to market. So I'll wait a bit, but boy it would be nice! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:08:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F269F3BF4A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ENJKWTvUUdak31VkqeVD9qjnCr0MMFn5ZSbit1udEm5c6YBHxY4Iauh3FD0MJVKsOvyiEX+jQpWU2qq5C1wCg+0kn4jUmmQN8hxRIjXqk80E5ZkQJzbyFoJK/AT47DG+96kvpmid897AJ3DJuPI8xRhzyMuRrCYEx44p2UlUzt0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iMniXYjHtQSWHUIoGU+Ro4gheWxwr2Ju3JE78EeTwVblGYf4yHW/MSsqbdzPjpvesptxlOuJnm8KacIhatZlkx6JVnPqaWtiKak3xTlUtrZ4DapaHIuu2cAjPOA6spaKlg0MMTEtj3VkdlE4qai1uuTrBA6T5AcWTHVjKG+Ia9A= In-Reply-To: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:08:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:08:10 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 19.50, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the > variable speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love > being able to create a loop and then step on my expression pedal to > change the speed, both forward and backward. I was thinking about this too. On the old hardware Rptr the varyspeed is global, as in affecting all four tracks. But that doesn't have to be a problem, since you can always open another instance of VRP VST and run them at different tempo divisions. Now, that would be cool. Running multiple instances is also the solution to the old Repeater issue of not being able to run tracks of different length. Under Windows you would be able to run Mobius as a VST plug-in inside the VRP host. That would give you all the EDP power plus the few strong points added by the Repeater. That would be a hell of a looping setup ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:30:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C231A3BF68; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 613786795-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.68.23 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoUACf/wkZPQUQX/2dsb2JhbACCHwSqWg Message-ID: <46C36273.9050002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:30:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7cp3RC.A.wgF.3J2wGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC) > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing > this causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, I use fuzz with EDP a lot. I hate aliasing, won't listen to it unless I'm working on eliminating it from a software project. Draw your own conclusions ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:32:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9D63BF81; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070815153230.mfww15gh05c0sgg4@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:32:30 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: a long delay References: <003001c7df63$0f9ea500$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> In-Reply-To: <003001c7df63$0f9ea500$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > I did find a really simple vst looper that I love... I forget it's name now > though. Super simple clocked sync delay you can define in terms of > measures... From the description, sounds like Angstrolooper. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:34:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE6A3BF91; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:36:06 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll check. -Bob Travis Hartnett wrote: >$120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. > >TH > >On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > > >>What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't recall.. -Bob >> >>monk wrote: >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 20:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B6B3BF95; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:35:13 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c7df7b$d575ff40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C7DF41.29172740" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffTXykNfAA21hySMmgDjMM9GugdwALidWg In-Reply-To: <081520071503.2330.46C315C70005645E0000091A2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:35:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C7DF41.29172740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, they do say they're going to show it in Sept at a trade show of some sort. I imagine by then info on how to buy it will become available. -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... I wasn't going to say anything about that. But.... -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 15 aug 2007, at 16.58, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at least > > consistent. > > > Hmm... maybe they just went out of business? ;-) According to > Jeff's insightful development budget scenario the other day Electrix > must owe some hacker a big bin of dough. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C7DF41.29172740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, they do say they’re = going to show it in Sept at a trade show of some sort.  I imagine by then = info on how to buy it will become available.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August = 15, 2007 8:04 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: New = "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced...

 

I wasn't going to say anything about that. = But....

 

-------------- Original message = --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 15 aug 2007, at 16.58, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Now if we can just figure out how to buy it. Electrix is at = least
> > consistent.
>
>
> Hmm... maybe they just went out of business? ;-) According to
> Jeff's insightful development budget scenario the other day = Electrix
> must owe some hacker a big bin of dough.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
>
>
>
>

------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C7DF41.29172740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:00:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C0B3BF64; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:53:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112076e9ed4d410900961332aa183e7b87c850438b78906774c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Right, Kris! However. you wanted to hear about features compared to the EDP, I assumed that you were interested in the -hardware- repeater... >Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the >variable speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love >being able to create a loop and then step on my expression pedal to >change the speed, both forward and backward. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >>Here are a few features off the top of my head... >> >>Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level >>insert patchpoint), >>individual outputs, >>full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the >>aliasing this causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, >>variable feedback control >>memory card backup and storage, >>usable physical user interface, >>metering for each track, >>headpone output with independant level control >> >>>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique >>>features of the Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable >>>speed control is one? >>> >>>Kris >> >>-- -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:05:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C1A3BF66; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ozqQL3cuORhsXB8TpFTP/GG5URlp+pn7lNJqL6kB3GJ/P0MMoDDIszwjXMEp/8F976T9GML1b2nZeKmWKNTFn1LOHxRc4S6P0cu/2yogRT/X8CeghwpBg8BiYFZnKCd3nXhwThR2BiZ47eDvJTZ6kq0tIL5OwAK2Kx4OB63QB3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JZMFQgGeunn9duiKOSJgFiEJ/lLatYgcpJIS+d9fVy0Q7E4rZihD18u9Ub/k252aJ+H3ZqULEl/9mv+Jhf6yRUudugh5YExTodv7GZhG2o49PMqbAG8dVaCeKdRMWhkWvzJ1+g7XjRkIuseUkIaa62UHH7BC4o19UcH2vISrUyw= In-Reply-To: <006201c7df7b$d575ff40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <006201c7df7b$d575ff40$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C3E185E-7918-4A5B-A55E-3CBE338F7886@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:05:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:05:48 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 22.35, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Well, they do say they=92re going to show it in Sept at a trade show =20= > of some sort. I imagine by then info on how to buy it will become =20 > available. ...and the OS X version circus mid 2008. Sigh.... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D7943BF4F; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC) ---- Original Message ----- > Right, Kris! However. you wanted to hear about features compared to the > EDP, I assumed that you were interested in the -hardware- repeater... No, the software only, compared with the hardware EDP. How about repeater software compared with EDP embedded software? :) Kris > >>Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the variable >>speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to >>create a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, >>both forward and backward. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>>Here are a few features off the top of my head... >>> >>>Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert >>>patchpoint), >>>individual outputs, >>>full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing this >>>causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, >>>variable feedback control >>>memory card backup and storage, >>>usable physical user interface, >>>metering for each track, >>>headpone output with independant level control >>> >>>>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of >>>>the Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? >>>> >>>>Kris >>> >>>-- > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B853BF64; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QNNt+4V/89DVsVXoeDmLFo2I+jZVgqW01f57xG/RquYdIca80CSgEjmigqTbmNXsTvhx0DdUs4TBzWJ5XZluOQfWRE8xPxRzhkFBuBh///V6dAftV47l+Pz4YL1r4u1Pp9XW/8YQNMKbkHYKf+Stq/XCmTWVDTrRrzfZiGb2q+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gapRHdqzdJpTDH6cedLPjx28Od19XlQvZde0ymY66NiERcdwY4PL0J0jxfX4JU5a4bvpj9mizvppJb0XaBJJiwvQKueXAUDo1t5ZLYLPgKEKA177HdtG1oTa6E/hXzP1juoygW5gvjlMqvQVKsD1IgWd2rQPlczp/wb2ytCAmb8= In-Reply-To: <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:51:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 23.39, Krispen Hartung wrote: > No, the software only, compared with the hardware EDP. How about > repeater software > compared with EDP embedded software? :) "EDP embedded software"... by that you must be meaning Loop4? Doesn't it make more sense to compare VRP and Mobius then? IMHO these two software loopers would make an excellent combo on a Windows laptop. Mobius VST running inside VRP standalone host application. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 21:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 305C63BF65; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:58:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:58:39 +0000 (UTC) > "EDP embedded software"... by that you must be meaning Loop4? Doesn't it > make more sense to compare VRP and Mobius then? IMHO these two software > loopers would make an excellent combo on a Windows laptop. Mobius VST > running inside VRP standalone host application. Agreed. That would be a powerful combo. I could even run both Mobius and VRP inside Max, but that seems like overkill. That's amost an unmanageable amount of looping features to handle. I'd go out of my mind. Kris > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:11:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0ED3BF5E; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BToMQYWv/pFLtA8Wi7iG/150XOdq1J7s+hBfk615rEnxnpvdzRsHLxx8YUf/oXvaMYIpcjOzzu/3kajZTVV34pSO6pMbdM29acdabv0kgNVyow2UFfNGaF1Yp8uuzeXXzBmu+jnl5UvapjIsca23tJpqlwESjMVxdQKZCl08dZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PGWnkPMjEQQvPmsUZHyN1moUe1dDpk7eqKn0pi3+m0oaqMfB7tFbvWWTArVGs4LjXz4RGj2sHzbcINb5tCr8hUEmN52HggwegD5iyFoWPaaAYwmJPgMyCUGQjHyVEG0ahDY8nNAtoCdcQ8F+Hsa4qVI6V5KmaKvth0IqKNaVKhw= In-Reply-To: <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:10:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:11:00 +0000 (UTC) On 15 aug 2007, at 23.58, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Agreed. That would be a powerful combo. I could even run both > Mobius and VRP > inside Max, but that seems like overkill. That's amost an > unmanageable amount of > looping features to handle. I'd go out of my mind. Sure. But I'd probably only use a few from the VRP to complement the few functions I already use in Mobius. Just because "an unmanageable amount of features" are available you don't have to bother about using them all. After all these years of software looping there are still some funny things I did with the hardware Repeater and hardware EDP, sometimes running the EDP inside the effect loop of the Repeater, that I can't duplicate in software. epr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:23:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2C2A3BF56; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: LUR Subject: software Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:24:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I'm Erik and I'm pretty new around here. I have been using loopstation for a while now and wonder if there is any software (mac) or vst plug that can do the same thing. I've been trying with Ableton Live but I want the first clip to determin the length of the loop without using metronome and then be able to put more layers on that. And I don't really have time or energy to learn max/msp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:29:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80B53BF5E; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UcGVmGsDGl6+UnZWCGcek5deXVvDL7i9U0puoMo/RWk060Aqdn/6StmjbhFNttGDoMilqezwlritoryUeqKuuznMTaB7l4MZ3g9zkVw68o5L4xcXCaxR/gg9MUXigebI1AYl94aFad0UemaZJCO2gLnbIq/DjzoxQhsDy0npDN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=h45w+pvpPV2K7cK3T0UrUE/16ADW6yOIk3Y/AVsRYkwJQ3ZRe+12O1ey/4i8TVHWo9PeZ5QyJZv6fqDdFN0dj0f6fis6Tm0VVM6B1N4hKxogKk/9Hwfsc6Q97APPyjY3C6c0SJfzXpmhx6TMlga46xqDsYKBz5QuEeiKaACJKNI= In-Reply-To: <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3EFF91E0-3F7D-443C-B8E5-DCF240DA898A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: software Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:29:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) On 16 aug 2007, at 00.24, LUR wrote: > I have been using loopstation for a while now and wonder if there > is any software (mac) or vst plug Sooperlooper is for Mac as well as AU plug-in. Not as VST though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:37:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224E83BF51; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c7df8c$d03f66e0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> <3EFF91E0-3F7D-443C-B8E5-DCF240DA898A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: software Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Check out these. http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm Loopy Llama might work for you...VST and both mac/pc. Seems like your needs are fairly basic and easy to meet with a variety of options. K ----- Original Message ----- > On 16 aug 2007, at 00.24, LUR wrote: > >> I have been using loopstation for a while now and wonder if there >> is any software (mac) or vst plug > > Sooperlooper is for Mac as well as AU plug-in. Not as VST though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 15 22:37:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6163BF77; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <3EFF91E0-3F7D-443C-B8E5-DCF240DA898A@gmail.com> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> <3EFF91E0-3F7D-443C-B8E5-DCF240DA898A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CA32978-5FA0-40F0-A93F-68B8B70C4A2B@jormahuset.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LUR Subject: Re: software Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:38:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:37:18 +0000 (UTC) tack! I was just looking at your myspace. sounds great. me and my friend do =20= a lot of livelooping in our duo based in malm=F6. check it out on =20 myspace/lurmusic if you have time. i'll check sooperlooper out and =20 then have some sleep. 16 aug 2007 kl. 00.29 skrev Per Boysen: > On 16 aug 2007, at 00.24, LUR wrote: > >> I have been using loopstation for a while now and wonder if there =20 >> is any software (mac) or vst plug > > Sooperlooper is for Mac as well as AU plug-in. Not as VST though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 00:15:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7412F3BF44; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BBB0032-3B53-4863-806D-B44C2EB9735E@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:15:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2aXdvD.A.VuC.2c5wGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:15:51 +0000 (UTC) > Under Windows you would be able to run Mobius as a VST plug-in inside > the VRP host. That would give you all the EDP power plus the few > strong points added by the Repeater. The main feature that sets the Repeater apart from other hardware/ software devices is its "time stretching" ability, or as discussed in another thread the ability to do ritardondo and accelerando without changing the pitch. Technically this is a combination of a "rate shift" where you change the speed of the loop loop plus a compensating pitch shift where you bring the rate adjusted loop back to its original pitch. The problem with putting another looper inside the VPR is that anything that changes the playback rate can only be applied to a loop recorded in the VPR. You won't magically get time stretch of a loop recorded in the other looper. The VST routing in the VPR is unclear but I would bet that you can patch a VST as a "track insert" at the input or the output to a VPR track. This is similar to what you would do in Bidule patching in a reverb before or after the hosted looper. If you want to use Mobius for example to build up a loop with EDP-style functions, the VPR isn't actually playing anything, it is just being a host and routing the Mobius output to the audio device. You can't apply time stretch to the output of a plugin in real time, the plugin output first has to be recorded into a static VPR loop, then the VPR can time stretch that loop. Here's an example. Suppose Mobius is playing a loop. If you were to somehow apply a 1/2 speed time stretch the VPR would only be sending things to the audio device at 1/2 the rate that Mobius is sending. Mobius doesn't know anything about this and keeps sending at its normal rate. If mobius sends 1 second of audio it takes 2 seconds for the VPR to play this, meanwhile Mobius keeps sending more audio. The VPR would have to have have an infinitely large buffer to save the Mobius output until it is finally ready to play it. Another example, Mobius is playing a loop and the VPR is set to speed up the loop by 2. Mobius sends 1 second of audio but the VPR is done playing that in 1/2 second. The VPR needs more but Mobius isn't ready to send yet, you will get a gap in the VPR output. This can only work if you use the VPR like Ableton Live, hosting Mobius on one track and letting it be in complete control over what is playing. Then on a different track record directly into the VPR without Mobius and use the time stretching features on that. Or, you could build up a loop in Mobius and record a section of that into a VPR loop, similar to bounce recording. Then stop Mobius and start time stretching the VPR loop. To combine time stretch with real-time loop manipulation like overdub, SUSInsert, Retrigger, etc. both functions have to be done in the same looper. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 00:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51C903BF58; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) -- D. wrote: " the drummer doesn't like clicks or flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM. Having been a live and studio drummer professionally for 30 years I feel compelled to chime in here. All music, including quartz-locked BPM loops or sequenced music has the ability to 'breathe". It just takes a more sophisticated drummer (and other musicians) to make it appear to breathe. In the case of playing to quantized sequences or static loops, it is efficacious to practice playing anywhere from way behind the beat (in a musical fashion that does not 'lose' the connection to the quantized part) to way, way up on top of the beat. Early on in studio playing (and before the advent of computerized recording that allows people to edit so effortlessly with digital crossfading like anyone can do on a home computer these days) we learned that we could make recordings much faster (and hence, way less costly) by using click tracks that kept the musicians more honest in terms of overall tempo (there's breathing in this case and there's just plain old shitty timekeeping, if you know what I mean). At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of trying to learn how to play to clicks. We were forced , back in the day (early 80's when I did the bulk of my professional studio work) to try and figure out how to make the music feel organic even if we were playing to a quantized click track. During that process, we learned that if we were to get off of the click that we needed to drift back to it instead of trying to jump immediately to the proper tempo (in the former, you never hear the mistake in the recording; in the latter, you hear the 'bump' in the time immediately). Learning how to do this...............to play at a different place in the beat, that still is musical then helped prepare us when we encountered people from other cultures who 'felt' the beat differently (Southern soul musicians who play very, very laid back and behind the beat, West coast funkateers who are way up on top of things, Brazilians who have great time but don't play to a 16th note evenly spaced grid in their playing, etc.) I have to say when I hear of a drummer who says, "I hate click tracks or blinking lights or playing to static loops" I think, here is a drummer whose overall understanding of the concept of keeping time is not real sophisticated. The drummer, probably more than anyone, is capable of imparting great difference in the way a piece of music if felt, vis a viz time. The drummer can make really locked quantized parts feel very organic and can make completely unsynchronized musicians feel very rigid and static depending on how he or she plays. Time is a deep world. It's a fascinating world. Like all things, it's really good for one's musicianship to stay flexible when it comes to playing in any musical setting. A mentor of mine (a guitarist who had backed Aretha Franklin for several years) once said, "Every song can groove at any tempo...........it's your job to figure out how to make a song groove" (and breathe) if it is played at an uncomfortable tempo or if it is locked to a quartz-locked BPM. If someone calls 'Sunshine of your Love" at a ludicrously slow tempo, you can make it groove like hell if you play way behind the beat and in a very heavy manner. The same is true if it is called too fast. This musician taught me that any audience can hear if you change tempo in a song (especially if you are compensating at the start of a song because it 'doesn't feel right.' He said, "The audience never knows if you are doing a rendition of a tune or trying to play it authentically..........they only know if your time is strong or not. He would drill our band at the time by purposefully call different (and unconventional) tempos for different tunes in our repertoire...............if we complained that such a song was at the wrong speed, he would yell at us, "Find the groove, find the groove". It was one of the best disciplines I ever learned as a professional touring and studio drummer and, to this day, it feels unprofessional when someone tries to get me to speed up or slow down because a song feels wrong................lol, it's just not always appropriate for me to yell, "Find the groove, find the groove you guys!!!!" Rick Walker ps Earlier on this list, I believe that I posted a series of exercises that I have been using with great success with beginning beginner drummers and bassists so that they can learn how to 'breathe' and play with different relaxed feels to a click track. Check it out if you feel like you don't know how to do this yourself. It only takes a couple of hours of work to learn how to do this and your whole musical world will change if you learn the concept. There's only one little warning.......once you learn how to play effortlessly and with a natural 'breathing quality' to a click track you will begin to notice how many musicians out there don't know how to do it and are xenophobic when it comes to the concept. If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me know if you are interested From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:02:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1363BF5F; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Imitation vs influence Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c7dfa1$124ad010$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffVQYLe+FFTvdfQJmP8Z8tYyQFHQAS8g3w In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Dude, acid's so hard to find, where are you getting it? ;) P.S. You forgot Nat King Cole -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Imitation vs influence Since I used Hendrix as an examle ,if you liksten to blues guitatr ,it's quite plain Hendrix was influenced by everyone who went before,esp Muddy Waters,all the Kings ,well maybe not Don KIng or the King family or king George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:14:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8B503BF60; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: "Virtual Repeater" Software Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:14:28 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01c7dfa2$ce6e4e60$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcffU2kF+L7oJ64fSzWHVZtVDUaUmgAAe1OwABMEJ7A= In-Reply-To: <200708151621.l7FGLBJr073305@mail.cruzio.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Uh, well they also seem to have inherited their communication style. = They announced a new hardware Repeater... where was the press release saying, "Oh, to those of you who are waiting, we couldn't do it." I remember = being assured it was really going to happen. I'd long since abandoned the = idea of a new hardware looper of any kind, but come on. If they'd come out and said, "We're so sorry, we really wanted this product to see the light of = day but conditions beyond our control made it impossible. Thank you for all your patience, love Electrix" I'd have given them an amazing amount of points. Instead they put up a press release for a software Repeater and don't even bother seeding this list? Silly. Unless Electrix II wants to continue in their ancestor's footsteps, = perhaps they'd spend some time talking to their client base a little. To those of you old enough to remember (;)) I was the biggest proponent = of the original Repeater. I spent lots of time beta testing v1.1, and for = a long time I felt like I was Repeater customer service. I did both = willingly and I have no regrets, but if anyone's out there listening at Electrix, = this time try to be a little more forthcoming with real information. = Remember, this is the information age... and the new Repeater IS PURE INFORMATION CAPTAIN! RAISE THE SHEILDS!=20 -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Virtual Repeater" Software=20 Before everyone starts ragging on Electrix again, I'd like to remind you all that these are new owners with = absolutely nothing to do with the subterfuge that the original regime pissed = everyone off with. They did however inherit the Repeater with all of its = personality quirks and are doing what they can, given that the technology is over = ten years old, and they are limited purely to software upgrades, as the age = and unavailability of parts makes doing actual hardware mods virtually impossible From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:25:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C0B3BF01; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: a long delay Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c7dfa4$5a2d7e70$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfffrUQiNBN1DLZTLGdI/6tjbRvMgAJX6Tg In-Reply-To: <20070815153230.mfww15gh05c0sgg4@69.89.21.76> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:43 +0000 (UTC) BINGO! That is it. Thank god for computer memory because mine is shot. Thank you much. Angstrolooper. Great plug in. FREE. -----Original Message----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: a long delay Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > I did find a really simple vst looper that I love... I forget it's name now > though. Super simple clocked sync delay you can define in terms of > measures... From the description, sounds like Angstrolooper. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 01:49:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2DFE3BF64; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c7dfa7$c12d9170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:49:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:49:57 +0000 (UTC) The current (September 2007) issue of DRUM! Magazine has a 6 page article on live looping techniques for drummers and percussionists. Norm Weinberg wrote are really wonderful article and I'm proud to say that he wrote about two contrasting live looping approaches (hardware/software; all improvisational/ set composition performance) comparing the way I loop and the way that my friend, Andrew (aka Kid Beyond) loops. I'm excited because this is a first for our community in a national drumming magazine and it's also the very first time I've ever been profiled in a national drumming magazine. It feels good as I'm celebrating my 40th year drumming this year. My wife, Chris read the article and said that she thought it was an excellent primer for someone who is just getting started in the looping world. Norm deserves congratulations on a really nice writing job. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 02:26:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 829FB3BF65; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:26:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: RE: "Virtual Repeater" Software In-Reply-To: <008e01c7dfa2$ce6e4e60$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <200708151621.l7FGLBJr073305@mail.cruzio.com> <008e01c7dfa2$ce6e4e60$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070816022635.C864614E07@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Aren't all companies guilty of that? Back in January I was very excited about the new vg99, saw the demo at the NAMM show, and plunked my money down at my local music store to be the first on the list to get one.... expected delivery date middle of March..... by July I took my money back, last week I was at the store and they say they have no idea when they'll see them, they hope before Christmas....... very disappointing Roland!!! Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 09:14 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >Uh, well they also seem to have inherited their communication style. They >announced a new hardware Repeater... where was the press release saying, >"Oh, to those of you who are waiting, we couldn't do it." I remember being >assured it was really going to happen. I'd long since abandoned the idea of >a new hardware looper of any kind, but come on. If they'd come out and >said, "We're so sorry, we really wanted this product to see the light of day >but conditions beyond our control made it impossible. Thank you for all >your patience, love Electrix" I'd have given them an amazing amount of >points. Instead they put up a press release for a software Repeater and >don't even bother seeding this list? Silly. > >Unless Electrix II wants to continue in their ancestor's footsteps, perhaps >they'd spend some time talking to their client base a little. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 02:45:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F373BF65; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5K4O0e2lU/qd4Yj2TEx8BBWB69YBs2oe9Q== X-Originating-IP: [72.65.154.172] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:44:14 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070815.224414.22814.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ContentStamp: 2:1:651256277 X-MAIL-INFO:1d8aca3a4acb5b4a738bcb5b8b6b4b2a13ba5a078b2a331afa07df97a31a2a636e4a57deaa8b0a7be77f472f7f2f03478f433a4acbb71e0f5f274ea38bce1bc7eb57e3cea37f5a7b3f0fae672f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|webmail02.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: <6DZr2C.A.zwD.Ep7wGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Congrats to both, great job! _____________________________________________________________________ Send your friends personalized video messages! Sign up for a FREE NetZero account and start sending Video Mail today! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?u=3Dhttp://account.netzero.net/s/cart?acti= on=3DaddToCart%26offerId=3DfreeVideo%26sep=3Dssc%26group=3DfreeVideo%26m= ailType=3Dvideo%26refcd=3DNZEML0707VDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 03:53:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BEDE3BF78; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708160353.l7G3rJXL081861@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Article on Rick Walker and Kid beyond Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:53:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DF7E.510A95B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcffuP0wqtOKDc4uSEmEcPYm1844Qg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:53:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DF7E.510A95B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang , there is a great article on Rick Walker and Kid Beyond and looping in general in , I believe its Modern drummer magazine. Rick help me out, is it modern drummer or another drum magazine? Anyway, a cool bit of press, kudos to Rick and Kid beyond. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DF7E.510A95B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey gang , there is a great article on = Rick Walker  and Kid Beyond and = looping in general in , I believe its Modern drummer magazine… Rick help me out, is = it modern drummer or another drum magazine? Anyway, a cool bit of press, = kudos to Rick and Kid beyond…

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DF7E.510A95B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 05:53:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4C023BF42; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mQFcrDKOBsCEKnLnCECtq5Apcbf1l7Ku+Jwoy8FhZVemDYwJHl/djcQIJpb+uZGOyl4s+gzXurzJ6LZCh/sfSE0SL312Apd1NH+ZTXYBerOMNRNCeVf5MJPajEhYkCo/onreYr1aZppnITkN2pc6IGJbXKSsRBj3ynph4EhoMtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W2o59MzR5SGPI+cqDoNunemuHt05iLtEmSV49YsARIvN0XKljvindaEHXlxUVXLC/KJPyYODmwkY0D7kfkZ9AzYudU3sBzRI30GeZYo1A5oRop0l6+yhnvtIMiuyPmb0Rq1gw6JvDRAl4NF55h0+0RgS4zUmfce97pIFZcdA+L8= In-Reply-To: <3BBB0032-3B53-4863-806D-B44C2EB9735E@zonemobius.com> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3BBB0032-3B53-4863-806D-B44C2EB9735E@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:53:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_uANdB.A.05C.qZ-wGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Great write-up, Jeff! I wasn't hinting at "time-stretching the Mobius output inside VRP" though, since that is obviously not possible. What I meant by them being "a strong combo" is that you can set Mobius as the tempo master and if looping mainly on Mobius master track, this gives you a very good way of dynamically controlling tempo changes by destructively working the (master track) Mobius loop with those powerful Record-Record, Multiply-Record actions. At least for me, the option of using that looping technique again (since I had the physical EDP/Repeater combo in the past) is the main selling point in the VRP. Per > > Under Windows you would be able to run Mobius as a VST plug-in > inside > > the VRP host. That would give you all the EDP power plus the few > > strong points added by the Repeater. On 16 aug 2007, at 02.15, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > The main feature that sets the Repeater apart from other hardware/ > software > devices is its "time stretching" ability, or as discussed in another > thread the ability to do ritardondo and accelerando without changing > the pitch. Technically this is a combination of a "rate shift" where > you change the speed of the loop loop plus a compensating pitch shift > where you bring the rate adjusted loop back to its original pitch. > > The problem with putting another looper inside the VPR is that > anything that changes the playback rate can only be applied to a loop > recorded in the VPR. You won't magically get time stretch of a > loop recorded in the other looper. > > The VST routing in the VPR is unclear but I would bet that you can > patch a VST as a "track insert" at the input or the output to a > VPR track. This is similar to what you would do in Bidule patching > in a reverb before or after the hosted looper. > > If you want to use Mobius for example to build up a loop with EDP- > style > functions, the VPR isn't actually playing anything, it is just > being a host and routing the Mobius output to the audio device. > > You can't apply time stretch to the output of a plugin in real time, > the plugin output first has to be recorded into a static VPR loop, > then the VPR can time stretch that loop. > > Here's an example. Suppose Mobius is playing a loop. If you were to > somehow apply a 1/2 speed time stretch the VPR would only be sending > things to the audio device at 1/2 the rate that Mobius is sending. > Mobius doesn't know anything about this and keeps sending at its > normal > rate. If mobius sends 1 second of audio it takes 2 seconds for the > VPR to play this, meanwhile Mobius keeps sending more audio. > The VPR would have to have have an infinitely large buffer to save > the Mobius output until it is finally ready to play it. > > Another example, Mobius is playing a loop and the VPR is set to speed > up the loop by 2. Mobius sends 1 second of audio but the VPR is > done playing that in 1/2 second. The VPR needs more but Mobius > isn't ready to send yet, you will get a gap in the VPR output. > > This can only work if you use the VPR like Ableton Live, hosting > Mobius on one track and letting it be in complete control over > what is playing. Then on a different track record directly into > the VPR without Mobius and use the time stretching features on that. > > Or, you could build up a loop in Mobius and record a section > of that into a VPR loop, similar to bounce recording. Then > stop Mobius and start time stretching the VPR loop. > > To combine time stretch with real-time loop manipulation > like overdub, SUSInsert, Retrigger, etc. both functions > have to be done in the same looper. > > Jeff > Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 06:28:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8503BED9; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:28:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Bob If you only knew who Aurisis are and what incredible labor _of love_ this upgrade and all the edp software releases were you would be ashamed of you... bad vibe Claude and in case you didnt know : http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale > Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll > heck. -Bob > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>$120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. >> >>TH >> >>On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >> >>>What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't >>>recall.. -Bob >>> >>>monk wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 06:46:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12CCA3BF02; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:48:31 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:46:28 +0000 (UTC) ? I'm...talking about taking the 600 dollar EDP+ loaded that we just bought..and copying the EPROMS in it. Is that not legal to do? I have no idea who Aurisis is. I know who I am and that every time I do a 'labor of love' I get totally hosed and don't even make my hourly wage. 30:1 odds this guy drives a nicer car, has a house, a wife.... yer talking to the wrong guy here. hehe. -Bob CV wrote: > Bob > > If you only knew who Aurisis are and what incredible labor _of love_ > this upgrade and all the edp software releases were > you would be ashamed of you... > > bad vibe > > Claude > > and in case you didnt know : > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale > > >> Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll >> heck. -Bob >> >> Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>> $120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. >>> >>> TH >>> >>> On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >>> >>>> What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't >>>> recall.. -Bob >>>> >>>> monk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 07:19:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EBAA3BF29; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 596749167-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.22.6 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAH6Xw0ZPQRYG/2dsb2JhbACCHwSeSQ Message-ID: <46C3FA6E.1070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:19:10 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll check. > -Bob > Sure, technically, but you'd be stealing from the guy who runs this list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 07:44:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF0983BF34; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:43:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:44:24 +0000 (UTC) total looser mr hehe yes copying an Eprom is stealing and stealing is a sin and illegal, mr hehe BTW where is the ultimate hardware looper you where planning to build ? whatever.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale >? I'm...talking about taking the 600 dollar EDP+ loaded that we just > bought..and copying the EPROMS in it. Is that not legal to do? I have > no idea who Aurisis is. I know who I am and that every time I do a > 'labor of love' I get totally hosed and don't even make my hourly wage. > 30:1 odds this guy drives a nicer car, has a house, a wife.... yer > talking to the wrong guy here. hehe. -Bob > > CV wrote: > >> Bob >> >> If you only knew who Aurisis are and what incredible labor _of love_ >> this upgrade and all the edp software releases were >> you would be ashamed of you... >> >> bad vibe >> >> Claude >> >> and in case you didnt know : >> http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:36 PM >> Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale >> >> >>> Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll >>> heck. -Bob >>> >>> Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> >>>> $120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. >>>> >>>> TH >>>> >>>> On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >>>> >>>>> What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't >>>>> recall.. -Bob >>>>> >>>>> monk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 08:13:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54033BF34; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 594058893-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.22.6 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAHKjw0ZPQRYG/2dsb2JhbACCHwSeUw Message-ID: <46C40733.2030007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:13:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:13:41 +0000 (UTC) > At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of trying to > learn how to play to > clicks. > I agree with Rick that it's possible to add life to rigid tempos, and indeed, that's a very relevant point for looping. ..but I think there's that magic moment when two or more players find a "clock" between them. I wouldn't care if the music staggered a bit on the way to finding that. Doesn't happen often(most players seem to have their own clock which they like to adhere to.) ..and never happens with a click > are > xenophobic when it comes to the concept. > If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me know > if you are interested > well, I already got those from Rick, but always good to see them again :-) My finding was that, when drumming, it does indeed sound bad when you put in a jump in the timing to compensate for drift, makes the drummer sound bad even if someone else was doing the drifting. Mind you, if the timing is drifting anyway then you've got someone on the team who just isn't really listening, so that's the root problem, rather than the drummer. As a bass player, it's much easier to follow a drummers "mistakes" directly and play a supporting role rather than a prescriptive one. My technique for doing that would be make sure I wasn't counting time in my head, or tapping my foot, and listen to the drummer to understand their internal clock, without a notion that they are just "out of time". (then once the drummer starts to feel that support the rhythm starts to really flow) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 08:49:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B586B3BF38; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LKig9R7fyx4EPI0zy5gSabdymrDIqsNOj3aIUnXR7n3ETmdWa8SX5CQf1MbRmL4RLZNus3Bv1HoqdDynUVb+B2qd06KyikKaSteNdgh/IU45MAMYhaM8seiyrmkVJPatBQb4jGnH7OMTkPbThO8efPzCXsSQ4CNERp7qnzbTXco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Xm7LcqQQx2Z4e5hpd5+6qA0VqjYTZqbYbGru/ZklgiB4rmXQkX93jjpixpZrswiEulHTmGkI7hPNiLTUeZQxY2ULSYI039/MGNLz6MX+QelqnlpbAKm5RwfVk7rS1mj3suULom7n0GmV1ni2DtZu3f6I4qV34Jr02QqFaVUT0fU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:49:08 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software In-Reply-To: <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232301c7df85$2f0ec510$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <232e01c7df87$6ef29880$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8BA78560-FB36-4B0B-B371-2A8080232E6A@gmail.com> <3BFBE4C3-12DC-4269-8EC7-B994B8B385B9@jormahuset.se> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b477ab7573562a80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:49:10 +0000 (UTC) On 15/08/07, LUR wrote: > or vst plug that can do the same thing. I've been trying with Ableton > Live but I want the first clip to determin the length of the loop You can use Augustus Loop to drive Live's MIDI clock to achieve this, if you especially want to use Live. It sounds like Live might not be your best choice though. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BAC53BF24; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hxCDIwccuyySZzdlLz+uzKGVGElBEA0dZaja2RBYIo34dCnjhEtXRVLZ9gajHxN5/il4GOCpZ0qqJeIOP4bIBq2oJ/AvdIEXM1cipBaSmO2MjXA8tZ/igRrLcvJmw48pVdRtIzP2dMMiXFeF0LaP0oOIEm3IhpNZK1poOykVwQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=e0ZYuYp2K3MXu6D+vJK1/vr8dLxu1l7CRbCkqS9bJJkG/Y9zdxbinEmLAF2O2V8aOfpYwtlk22dUD2nz0yUYMg/lLtbxzh2QTnTW1vB/yoE7Gosva/hiFZgJuSsTFidp2qI6GQibnj407d4rzRGuaWRhHQXAY8NHTEfzhaV+MjE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:11:18 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: boss rc-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27648_29045322.1187255478524" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27648_29045322.1187255478524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone tried out the roland/boss loopstation rc-2 http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-2/index.html ? -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_27648_29045322.1187255478524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Has anyone tried out the  roland/boss loopstation rc-2  http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-2/index.html ?
 


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------=_Part_27648_29045322.1187255478524-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:15:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B020E3BF2E; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O/ORjorCnyOioA8zz71VQwu4v3UizzVTG/UMQNpKs0uI2KvnsFfnmMJWE3H6Mj7FP3/nsIX5REd2lhIoXCSQv7d4B+6IVFUNfHyQ9AhQVoIuB2yFLSC8tFsfHKJzmhAp7K4qn2OrkQv/CiQJ5P5pdJrMwlmgPtKAdFgonFCxltE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eO7fXOk2JnnPtV5qcX5hQZOhoSNGwp5XnlyJuS6dEcn8EcUJS9b3bRiYAWTP2gp9Aj500tS8f3LU7i/ZJC/A4SeaVUMuK5NHIAW7zblI4qPYU3p51HIzX5bxEaXdCtVQ8H8QZNxgDXaVfROSZmwd8JLTky4letrvdB9ybEUXrh8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C40733.2030007@tiscali.co.uk> References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46C40733.2030007@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:15:41 +0000 (UTC) What a great feedback from Andy on Rick's post! I just have to quote it all below because it's so right on! I'd like to chime in and say that I really liked it the first time I heard drummer Charlie Watts playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys in the band. It felt awesome in an almost creepy way to hear two different tempi instantly clashing. The coolest thing is that Charlie Watts doesn't immediately change his tempo in this situation, but keeps on bashing the drums at the "wrong" tempo while slowly adjusting to go into playing a little "too fast" for a while until he catches up and the entire band once again glues together into the usual rock 'n roll machine. For some years during the eighties I played guitar in a row of reggae bands and this was an awesomely educating experience in rhythm. As usual I was deported to playing "ornamentation lead guitar" rather freely, but my biggest kick was to listen to, and learn from, the rhythm guitarist. This guy could really drift around the "tempo root" in a beautiful way. He just played "chop! --- (long silence) ---- chop!" etc. He had that fine Charlie Watts kind of sense for placing free floating tempo around the tempo root, rather than being obsessed by "playing tight" (ouch... I've had terrible experiences trying to cooperate with people that see music as "tight" vs "wrong"). Another funny thing I noticed is that whenever he smoked grass he completely lost this his delicate sense of timing (although himself, he thought he was playing great then ;-) I also like it in programmed synth based techno music when you twist knobs on the synths while they play sequenced stuff, so the attack of a synth sound might become slower, thus causing this entire musical section to slowly drift into a gradually slower tempo as the synth sound attack becomes slower and slower (this happening while other synth sequences keep playing at the original tempo). I experienced this phenomenon when starting to work with MIDI sequencing in the late eighties but not until hearing Alex Paterssons superb sequencing on the Orb's first release (The Ever Pulsating Brain In The Center Of The Universe... or whatever the title was) I finally understood that this is actually the same musical phenomenon as when Charlie Watts plays drums... or Ry Coder guitar, to mention another of my old "elastic tempo interpretation" heroes. This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic Intelligence guys come to bring me in... per >> At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of >> trying to learn how to play to >> clicks. On 16 aug 2007, at 10.13, andy butler wrote: > I agree with Rick that it's possible to add life to rigid tempos, > and indeed, that's a very relevant point for looping. > > ..but > > I think there's that magic moment when two or more > players find a "clock" between them. > I wouldn't care if the music staggered a bit on the way to finding > that. > Doesn't happen often(most players seem to have their own clock > which they like to adhere to.) > ..and never happens with a click > >> are >> xenophobic when it comes to the concept. >> If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me >> know if you are interested > > well, I already got those from Rick, > but always good to see them again :-) > > My finding was that, when drumming, it does indeed sound bad when > you put in a jump in the timing to compensate for drift, makes the > drummer sound bad even if someone else was doing the drifting. > Mind you, if the timing is drifting anyway then you've got someone > on the team who just isn't really listening, so that's the root > problem, rather than the drummer. > As a bass player, it's much easier to follow a drummers "mistakes" > directly and play a supporting role rather than a prescriptive one. > My technique for doing that would be make sure I wasn't counting > time in my head, or tapping my foot, and listen to the drummer to > understand their internal clock, without a notion that they are > just "out of time". (then once the drummer starts to feel that > support the rhythm starts to really flow) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:43:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 814DE3BF26; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mN+7unHbsUXZ4sgJsf3G5pI/Tm7NYwUk+/DnQVi4JuUXcGlOxxDSX1uT3kzGER2ELHxeOpbuelB034oXufqmippqxf9zuhVMj4Qk0DCD7LML/5VIhXSQK+6MkWOgN45qLA+NMkSEIhOH/XTShAFIf4TUgH/z6Ux9Auy3VJpjX24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UHKfUJz8Xw7mJQLMx6Cyg3/fZLCEzbUtJOW27gQQtMwd1I/Dv1e10mwkPv506QeaSEkAK87aQCSxIXVw9Mqn6ty15n0mBN04BQiO+8WDiBWG3IuTpuTUc4oPzDyKo0RmAHMLsRq/yPJenSWhbjRLpPdKVij9NduJDCMnqa9aaGE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:43:07 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28144_30080537.1187257387421" References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46C40733.2030007@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:43:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28144_30080537.1187257387421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dynamics is what make sounds into music, as you have dynamics in pitch and level you also have dynamics in tempo, In my opinion some of the best music are made when musicians lock intuitivly to each others playing , then variations become part of the common pallette that makes the sum bigger than parts of the group , to be tight or loose just for the sake of it doesnt make good or bad music, but if the musicians are good and know eatch other well varying degrees of "tightness" are part of the common toolbox.... dont know if you guys know or like the Neville brothers ( new orleans) - but i read an interview with Art Neville years back where he discussed why their debut album sucket; he said something about the producer forced them to record to a clicktrack to get the timing "right" , this Neville said screwed up the timing dynamics interaction that was made their music funky , the producer replaced the heartbeat with a electronic pulse........ you might disagree, but i know what i prefer A 2007/8/16, Per Boysen : > > What a great feedback from Andy on Rick's post! I just have to quote > it all below because it's so right on! I'd like to chime in and say > that I really liked it the first time I heard drummer Charlie Watts > playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys > in the band. It felt awesome in an almost creepy way to hear two > different tempi instantly clashing. The coolest thing is that Charlie > Watts doesn't immediately change his tempo in this situation, but > keeps on bashing the drums at the "wrong" tempo while slowly > adjusting to go into playing a little "too fast" for a while until he > catches up and the entire band once again glues together into the > usual rock 'n roll machine. > > For some years during the eighties I played guitar in a row of reggae > bands and this was an awesomely educating experience in rhythm. As > usual I was deported to playing "ornamentation lead guitar" rather > freely, but my biggest kick was to listen to, and learn from, the > rhythm guitarist. This guy could really drift around the "tempo root" > in a beautiful way. He just played "chop! --- (long silence) ---- > chop!" etc. He had that fine Charlie Watts kind of sense for placing > free floating tempo around the tempo root, rather than being obsessed > by "playing tight" (ouch... I've had terrible experiences trying to > cooperate with people that see music as "tight" vs "wrong"). Another > funny thing I noticed is that whenever he smoked grass he completely > lost this his delicate sense of timing (although himself, he thought > he was playing great then ;-) > > I also like it in programmed synth based techno music when you twist > knobs on the synths while they play sequenced stuff, so the attack of > a synth sound might become slower, thus causing this entire musical > section to slowly drift into a gradually slower tempo as the synth > sound attack becomes slower and slower (this happening while other > synth sequences keep playing at the original tempo). I experienced > this phenomenon when starting to work with MIDI sequencing in the > late eighties but not until hearing Alex Paterssons superb sequencing > on the Orb's first release (The Ever Pulsating Brain In The Center Of > The Universe... or whatever the title was) I finally understood that > this is actually the same musical phenomenon as when Charlie Watts > plays drums... or Ry Coder guitar, to mention another of my old > "elastic tempo interpretation" heroes. > > This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is > also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing > application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic > Intelligence guys come to bring me in... > > per > > > > >> At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of > >> trying to learn how to play to > >> clicks. > > On 16 aug 2007, at 10.13, andy butler wrote: > > > I agree with Rick that it's possible to add life to rigid tempos, > > and indeed, that's a very relevant point for looping. > > > > ..but > > > > I think there's that magic moment when two or more > > players find a "clock" between them. > > I wouldn't care if the music staggered a bit on the way to finding > > that. > > Doesn't happen often(most players seem to have their own clock > > which they like to adhere to.) > > ..and never happens with a click > > > >> are > >> xenophobic when it comes to the concept. > >> If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me > >> know if you are interested > > > > well, I already got those from Rick, > > but always good to see them again :-) > > > > My finding was that, when drumming, it does indeed sound bad when > > you put in a jump in the timing to compensate for drift, makes the > > drummer sound bad even if someone else was doing the drifting. > > Mind you, if the timing is drifting anyway then you've got someone > > on the team who just isn't really listening, so that's the root > > problem, rather than the drummer. > > As a bass player, it's much easier to follow a drummers "mistakes" > > directly and play a supporting role rather than a prescriptive one. > > My technique for doing that would be make sure I wasn't counting > > time in my head, or tapping my foot, and listen to the drummer to > > understand their internal clock, without a notion that they are > > just "out of time". (then once the drummer starts to feel that > > support the rhythm starts to really flow) > > > > andy butler > > > > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_28144_30080537.1187257387421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Dynamics is what make sounds into music, as you have dynamics in pitch and level you also have dynamics in tempo, In my opinion some of the best music are made when musicians lock intuitivly to each others playing , then variations become part of the common pallette that makes the sum bigger than parts of the group ,  to be tight or loose just for the sake of it doesnt make good or bad music, but if the musicians are good and know eatch other well varying degrees of "tightness"  are part of the common toolbox....
 
dont know if you guys know or like the Neville brothers ( new orleans) - but i read an interview with Art Neville  years back where he discussed why their debut album sucket; he said something about the producer forced them to record to a clicktrack to get the timing "right" , this Neville said screwed up the timing dynamics interaction that was made their music funky , the producer replaced the heartbeat with a electronic pulse........ you might disagree, but i know what i prefer
 
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2007/8/16, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
What a great feedback from Andy on Rick's post! I just have to quote
it all below because it's so right on! I'd like to chime in and say
that I really liked it the first time I heard drummer Charlie Watts
playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys
in the band. It felt awesome in an almost creepy way to hear two
different tempi instantly clashing. The coolest thing is that Charlie
Watts doesn't immediately change his tempo in this situation, but
keeps on bashing the drums at the "wrong" tempo while slowly
adjusting to go into playing a little "too fast" for a while until he
catches up and the entire band once again glues together into the
usual rock 'n roll machine.

For some years during the eighties I played guitar in a row of reggae
bands and this was an awesomely educating  experience in rhythm. As
usual I was deported to playing "ornamentation lead guitar" rather
freely, but my biggest kick was to listen to, and learn from, the
rhythm guitarist. This guy could really drift around the "tempo root"
in a beautiful way. He just played "chop!  ---  (long silence) ----
chop!" etc. He had that fine Charlie Watts kind of sense for placing
free floating tempo around the tempo root, rather than being obsessed
by "playing tight" (ouch... I've had terrible experiences trying to
cooperate with people that see music as "tight" vs "wrong"). Another
funny thing I noticed is that whenever he smoked grass he completely
lost this his delicate sense of timing (although himself, he thought
he was playing great then ;-)

I also like it in programmed synth based techno music when you twist
knobs on the synths while they play sequenced stuff, so the attack of
a synth sound might become slower, thus causing this entire musical
section to slowly drift into a gradually slower tempo as the synth
sound attack becomes slower and slower (this happening while other
synth sequences keep playing at the original tempo). I experienced
this phenomenon when starting to work with MIDI sequencing in the
late eighties but not until hearing Alex Paterssons superb sequencing
on the Orb's first release (The Ever Pulsating Brain In The Center Of
The Universe... or whatever the title was) I finally understood that
this is actually the same musical phenomenon as when Charlie Watts
plays drums... or Ry Coder guitar, to mention another of my old
"elastic tempo interpretation" heroes.

This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is
also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing
application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic
Intelligence guys come to bring me in...

per



>> At the same time,  rigidity is the first inherent problem of
>> trying to learn how to play to
>> clicks.

On 16 aug 2007, at 10.13, andy butler wrote:

> I agree with Rick that it's possible to add life to rigid tempos,
> and indeed, that's a very relevant point for looping.
>
> ..but
>
> I think there's that magic moment when two or more
> players find a "clock" between them.
> I wouldn't care if the music staggered a bit on the way to finding
> that.
> Doesn't happen often(most players seem to have their own clock
> which they like to adhere to.)
> ..and never happens with a click
>
>> are
>> xenophobic when it comes to the concept.
>> If you can't find the exercises,   I'll repost them.  Just let me
>> know if you are interested
>
> well, I already got those from Rick,
> but always good to see them again :-)
>
> My finding was that, when drumming, it does indeed sound bad when
> you put in a jump in the timing to compensate for drift, makes the
> drummer sound bad even if someone else was doing the drifting.
> Mind you, if the timing is drifting anyway then you've got someone
> on the team who just isn't really listening, so that's the root
> problem, rather than the drummer.
> As a bass player, it's much easier to follow a drummers "mistakes"
> directly and play a supporting role rather than a prescriptive one.
> My technique for doing that would be make sure I wasn't counting
> time in my head, or tapping my foot, and listen to the drummer to
> understand their internal clock, without a notion that they are
> just "out of time". (then once the drummer starts to feel that
> support the rhythm starts to really flow)
>
> andy butler







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Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_28144_30080537.1187257387421-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 09:58:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58FFC3BF1F; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:00:59 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:58:54 +0000 (UTC) total presumption Mr. whowho. :) Again..I was talking about copying the eproms that are stock in the new oberheim we got. I know nothing about these. Please ask off list about this stuff before throwing accusations. Thanks. -Bob CV wrote: > total looser mr hehe > > yes copying an Eprom is stealing and stealing is a sin and illegal, mr > hehe > > BTW where is the ultimate hardware looper you where planning to build ? > > whatever.. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale > > >> ? I'm...talking about taking the 600 dollar EDP+ loaded that we just >> bought..and copying the EPROMS in it. Is that not legal to do? I >> have no idea who Aurisis is. I know who I am and that every time I >> do a 'labor of love' I get totally hosed and don't even make my >> hourly wage. 30:1 odds this guy drives a nicer car, has a house, a >> wife.... yer talking to the wrong guy here. hehe. -Bob >> >> CV wrote: >> >>> Bob >>> >>> If you only knew who Aurisis are and what incredible labor _of love_ >>> this upgrade and all the edp software releases were >>> you would be ashamed of you... >>> >>> bad vibe >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> and in case you didnt know : >>> http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale >>> >>> >>>> Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll >>>> heck. -Bob >>>> >>>> Travis Hartnett wrote: >>>> >>>>> $120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. >>>>> >>>>> TH >>>>> >>>>> On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't >>>>>> recall.. -Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> monk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF773BF1A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C42FE0.4050109@imt.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:07:12 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:05:07 +0000 (UTC) PS the ultimate looper...I keep seeing the usual hints of someone with lots of money coming in and doing most of the things I'd started thinking of doing and wanted to see how some of these things were materializing before turning attention that way. These things usually do become a labor of Love. I don't love it that much. I have lots of good things I can do in life. Most of the time it's just a bunch of people who aren't even courteous enough to ask before they accuse blindly.... who wind up reaping any work I do like that. Let's see the last thing I built on spec some other company claims to hold a patent on now. We filed for a patent for the exact same product. What happened? I dunno. 3/5 of the guys in the company turned out to be not so bright and wasted all the money. Wasn't my initial idea. I just turned it from an idea into a reality....save a company that we jobbed out production to screwing up a bunch of stuff. At least my prototype works. Mocking is cheap. Hard work and study isn't. Like I say..learn to be a little more personable and don't presume. I HAD NO IDEA someone had released ANOTHER EPROM version for the things. I thought it was just gibson stuff that they wouldn't mind people upgrading their versions possibly if they own the hardware. -Bob CV wrote: > total looser mr hehe > > yes copying an Eprom is stealing and stealing is a sin and illegal, mr > hehe > > BTW where is the ultimate hardware looper you where planning to build ? > > whatever.. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale > > >> ? I'm...talking about taking the 600 dollar EDP+ loaded that we just >> bought..and copying the EPROMS in it. Is that not legal to do? I >> have no idea who Aurisis is. I know who I am and that every time I >> do a 'labor of love' I get totally hosed and don't even make my >> hourly wage. 30:1 odds this guy drives a nicer car, has a house, a >> wife.... yer talking to the wrong guy here. hehe. -Bob >> >> CV wrote: >> >>> Bob >>> >>> If you only knew who Aurisis are and what incredible labor _of love_ >>> this upgrade and all the edp software releases were >>> you would be ashamed of you... >>> >>> bad vibe >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> and in case you didnt know : >>> http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Weigel" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale >>> >>> >>>> Hehe..crud...can I just copy them in my burner? Probably..I'll >>>> heck. -Bob >>>> >>>> Travis Hartnett wrote: >>>> >>>>> $120 for pair of EPROM chips from Auresis. >>>>> >>>>> TH >>>>> >>>>> On 8/15/07, Bob Weigel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What does it take to get one up to the latest version, I can't >>>>>> recall.. -Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> monk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:29:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C52B3BF2F; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:29:30 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Bidule MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1187260170.2A.128962.42.8439.52.42.007.498130944" From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:29:33 +0000 (UTC) --_=__=_XaM3_.1187260170.2A.128962.42.8439.52.42.007.498130944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a question regarding Bidule and it's usage. I'm using synths a= nd samplers only and interested in replacing a part of my hardware setup = with software. I'm not using software in my live setup, only hardware. Current setup - For every live song I play I currently have progammed a "= patch" in a hardware midi patchbay containing all the required progam cha= nges, transposes, keyboard solits etc. This way you can quickly change yo= ur setup with the push of 1 button. All the audio is routed and mixed wit= h normal analog mixer. My TC D2 and DD-20 are using AUX send/return (ster= eo). A very straigthforward and traditional setup in other words. I have quickly checked http://www.plogue.com/ and my question is if I cou= ld use Bidule + a midi footcontroller to replace both my analog mixer and= midi patchbay. Something like a modular audio and midi mixer running on = OSX. Can Bidule save different setup's and can you recall it using midi? 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Hi, I have a question regarding Bidule and it's usage. I'm using syn= ths and samplers only and interested in replacing a part of my hardware s= etup with software. I'm not using software in my live setup, only hardwar= e.
 
Current setup - For every live song I play I currently hav= e progammed a "patch" in a hardware midi patchbay containing al= l the required progam changes, transposes, keyboard solits etc. This= way you can quickly change your setup with the push of 1 button. All the= audio is routed and mixed with normal analog mixer. My TC D2 a= nd DD-20 are using AUX send/return (stereo).  A very straigthforward= and traditional setup in other words.
 
I have quickly checked http://www= .plogue.com/ and my question is if I could use Bidule + a m= idi footcontroller to replace both my analog mixer and midi pat= chbay. Something like a modular audio and midi mixer running on OSX. Can&= nbsp;Bidule save different setup's and can you recall it using midi?
 
Thx,
Sjaak
 
 
--_=__=_XaM3_.1187260170.2A.128962.42.8439.52.42.007.498130944-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 10:39:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3F63BF34; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:40:34 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46C429A2.6080502@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <5hnWPC.A.RGG.ylCxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:39:46 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E44263BF47; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DvscBVTKvMf3qMMm21ezBR+3eSpWi5LDjRrsnbz33AKoQ/0KGrPt6LFBOMuiASv5JRWNX3nCuANL1lzIxBo4SewnJnorSoH2rwXu7SXh9EWSlckHXApz4xYjsT0hZe0PNsbpjaYZJV8w6NrGkII/KqGDufaK5JoDRO+nSoy4Q0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JhUFKHYu6KotdNeKR3SaF+TqVEfUf1PI1NYdRSLkw5N5PFfnFml1kO6sJENEE0A9DamHQGCkh4v9xbm5fMk405Pb5ZK8zvbg72BtPdSaBvZhfRnptpOYutGPmLv8Pk05Sf7GR72t9WWByLSmVz9ZZK+pPDcNLfS0pDzqD3ycSQE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11695A19-4E5D-46FE-A970-507F4A9FF602@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:02:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4R291.A.J-G.76CxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:02:19 +0000 (UTC) On 16 aug 2007, at 12.29, Sjaak wrote: > Hi, I have a question regarding Bidule and it's usage. I'm using > synths and samplers only and interested in replacing a part of my > hardware setup with software. I'm not using software in my live > setup, only hardware. > > Current setup - For every live song I play I currently have > progammed a "patch" in a hardware midi patchbay containing all the > required progam changes, transposes, keyboard solits etc. This way > you can quickly change your setup with the push of 1 button. All > the audio is routed and mixed with normal analog mixer. My TC D2 > and DD-20 are using AUX send/return (stereo). A very > straigthforward and traditional setup in other words. > > I have quickly checked http://www.plogue.com/ and my question is if > I could use Bidule + a midi footcontroller to replace both my > analog mixer and midi patchbay. Something like a modular audio and > midi mixer running on OSX. Can Bidule save different setup's and > can you recall it using midi? I think the correct answer to you final questions is yes, but in order to be completely sure you should post your question at the Bidule forum. The aspect I'm not so sure about is what would be the best way to recall one of your set-ups by external MIDI. My guess is that you should not go for the method to make Bidule load a new set-up from disk, because this may induce a problem live (the limit when time delay in a show becomes "a problem" is kind of floating). I guess it would be better to use a Bidule module called "MIDI Switcher" in combinations with another one called "Audio Switcher". These modules are just like patchbays where one signal path can be switched into 16, 32, 64 or 128 alternative directions. Each such new direction could mean an entirely unique patching set-up, equalling one of your songs. So unless you plan to perform more than 128 songs in a show this might for you. Good thing is also that the Switcher tags not in use are muted and completely unloaded the CPU (might not be so important for you, since you use a lot of hardware anyway). Regarding "replacing analog mixer" you should know that Bidule doesn't come with built-in filters etc, like for example Logic. However, you should be able to build any kind of audio processing device though, like people do in max/msp, but that requires quite some time spent in front of the screen. Myself I prefer to set up a mixer in Bidule with the use of third-party plug-ins for filtering, reverb etc. And as for the MIDI patching it seems you would just need to drag some virtual cables to the right MIDI outputs, since you already have your stuff together on the hardware side. The MIDI Switcher, mentioned above, is set by default to react to incoming MIDI Program Change, as in PC#1 activating output tag 1 while muting all others and vice versa. Now, if you build your MIDI and Audio routing setups under the Switcher tags corresponding to the same MIDI Program Change number as your hardware setup for the particular song, only one button press will be needed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:44:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAFF43BF3C; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "RICK WALKER" Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:44:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9E-3_C.A.BT.UiDxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: " I'd like to chime in and say that I really liked it the first time I heard drummer Charlie Watts playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys in the band." Bill Wyman was interviewed years ago about the 'sloppy' rhythmic machine that the Rolling Stones are. He said a fascinating thing (and I'm paraphrasing because I read this somewhere 30 years ago). He said that unlike many other rhythm sections that Keith Richards led the rhythm section. He said the Richards frequently sped up and slowed down the rhythm and even, occasionally, would completely lose a beat forcing one odd time measure (though that's not how he described it). He said that he listened to an followed Richards religiously and that Charlie Watts listened and followed him religiously. This is why the Stones have a rhythm section that is really loose and swinging (don't forget the Watts was a jazz drummer before he was a rock drummer) in a way that I've never heard a cover band be able to cop their rhythmic feel. And it's true, you can never get this kind of feel with a static loop (or probably not with a slightly drifting loop). By the same token, I did a demonstration where I purposefully made a very lumpy beat box loop at PASIC and then demonstrated how one , with the judicious use of stretched time and long enveloped sounds, make a very crummy lumpy loop actually have a really cool musical groove to it. You can't get this kind of feel with two human beings..........................so there's a tradeoff. Since we are on the subject of live looping (and to me, I agree with everything that Andy says in his reply to my initial posting when looping is not anywhere in the picture), I think it is really advantageous to learn how to use our humanness and ability to warp time by speeding up and slowing down judiciously so that we can make the stasis of non-stretched loops actually have a very human feel to it. By the way, Andy, if you have that post I made about learning how to play in front, back and right on a click track, to you mind reposting it for me? I'm not sure I know where it is. Per also said, " Another funny thing I noticed is that whenever he (the morphing reggae rhythm guitarist he played with) smoked grass he completely lost this his delicate sense of timing (although himself, he thought he was playing great then ;-) Well this is certainly the topic of another fascinating off topic thread (Drugs and Live Looping) but I have to say that I have played with really fantastic musicians who were pot smokers all of my life. I have found almost 100% of the time that when they get high (usually on the first or second break in a multiple set night) that there tempi gets very loose. I agree with Per, a lot of pot smoking musicians think they have good time when they are high, but I find that marijuana has a strongly debilitating effect on the acuteness of rhythmic playing. Now, frequently, it's the lead guitarists and horn players who get away with it the most because they aren't saddled with playing really tight rhythmic figures. If a sax player or singer drifts while playing, it's called expression...............lol. Fascinatingly, the premier Reggae rhythm drum and bass section, Sly and Robbie were asked why they had not been seen smoking ganja the whole time the reporter had followed them around for a profile article. Sly said that they just realized that they couldn't get enough done if they smoked pot like all the Reggae singers that they did records and tours for. He said they played better straight so they completely gave it up. I got to hear that rhythm section backing Black Uhuru's first American tour ("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" gets my vote as the best roots/dub record there is). Man they were murderous................as they would say.................and that's no bumba clot, mon! Per said, "This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic Intelligence guys come to bring me in..." Oh, heck, Per, we've already blown the off topic thing with this thread already and all these tools can be used in conjunction with live looping techniques......................pray continue on about why you like Numerology so well. ******** By the way, Lots of fun topics and a lot of cool philosophy being thrown around...............much ammunition for new thinking. I'm really loving this list again..........thanks everyone! And , as always, thanks to Kim Flint for providing this amazing forum for all of us. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:53:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65563BF3B; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FaVhY2HHhl1SG/NWh7aUXUVHuYQOdM9ewoQq9h1RqXurK1iyQnHuAwFCLypgSs02l8iNxxPOiiZ2QD4vgBtmqPJl0jQ9w1OpWtGPZcHTYZ+yzr+LbWLQgBZieLWUT0llBFx7E9s6pgpHDLEHOFPk3LUOsXKpw0bl+J++kbteXFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GAW80OMdMQs7NibS3DhqM6mlPYX4xjjfImbiqJ3/GcpY6s39KJ0InEBfXOZxsP5xm9eExJrtNtraAqFwbzZimzrzkPbcyXmysCxyAy82XDEyNdkQW4SEK879gyf+bCN++rI/OtuVrceWC0k5pc6Y2pCH5pJNWGuGWDB35lbbNb8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:53:16 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes In-Reply-To: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29502_3513558.1187265196395" References: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:53:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29502_3513558.1187265196395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sly & Robbie .... the tightest rythmsection there ever was 2007/8/16, RICK WALKER : > > Per wrote: > " I'd like to chime in and say that I really liked it the first time I > heard drummer Charlie Watts > playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys > in the band." > > Bill Wyman was interviewed years ago about the 'sloppy' rhythmic machine > that the Rolling Stones > are. He said a fascinating thing (and I'm paraphrasing because I read > this somewhere 30 years ago). > He said that unlike many other rhythm sections that Keith Richards led the > rhythm section. > He said the Richards frequently sped up and slowed down the rhythm and > even, > occasionally, would completely > lose a beat forcing one odd time measure (though that's not how he > described > it). > > He said that he listened to an followed Richards religiously and that > Charlie Watts listened and followed him > religiously. > > This is why the Stones have a rhythm section that is really loose and > swinging (don't forget the Watts was a jazz drummer > before he was a rock drummer) in a way that I've never heard a cover band > be > able to cop their rhythmic feel. > > And it's true, you can never get this kind of feel with a static loop (or > probably not with a slightly drifting loop). > > By the same token, I did a demonstration where I purposefully made a > very > lumpy beat box loop at PASIC and then demonstrated > how one , with the judicious use of stretched time and long enveloped > sounds, make a very crummy lumpy loop actually have a > really cool musical groove to it. > > You can't get this kind of feel with two human > beings..........................so there's a tradeoff. > > Since we are on the subject of live looping (and to me, I agree with > everything that Andy says in his reply to my initial posting when > looping is not anywhere in the picture), I think it is really > advantageous > to learn how to use our humanness and ability to > warp time by speeding up and slowing down judiciously so that we can make > the stasis of non-stretched loops actually have > a very human feel to it. > > By the way, Andy, if you have that post I made about learning how to > play > in front, back and right on a click track, to you mind reposting it for > me? > I'm not sure I know where it is. > > > Per also said, > " Another funny thing I noticed is that whenever he (the morphing reggae > rhythm guitarist he played with) > smoked grass he completely lost this his delicate sense of timing > (although > himself, he thought > he was playing great then ;-) > > Well this is certainly the topic of another fascinating off topic thread > (Drugs and Live Looping) > but I have to say that I have played with really fantastic musicians who > were pot smokers all of my life. > > I have found almost 100% of the time that when they get high (usually on > the > first or second break in a multiple set night) > that there tempi gets very loose. I agree with Per, a lot of pot > smoking musicians think they have good time > when they are high, but I find that marijuana has a strongly debilitating > effect on the acuteness of rhythmic playing. > > Now, frequently, it's the lead guitarists and horn players who get away > with it the most because they aren't saddled with > playing really tight rhythmic figures. If a sax player or singer drifts > while playing, it's called expression...............lol. > > Fascinatingly, the premier Reggae rhythm drum and bass section, Sly and > Robbie were asked why they had > not been seen smoking ganja the whole time the reporter had followed them > around for a profile article. > Sly said that they just realized that they couldn't get enough done if > they > smoked pot like all the Reggae singers that > they did records and tours for. He said they played better straight so > they completely gave it up. > I got to hear that rhythm section backing Black Uhuru's first American > tour > ("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" gets my vote > as the best roots/dub record there is). Man they were > murderous................as they would say.................and that's no > bumba clot, mon! > > > > > Per said, > "This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is > also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing > application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic > Intelligence guys come to bring me in..." > > Oh, heck, Per, we've already blown the off topic thing with this thread > already and all these tools can be used in conjunction > with live looping techniques......................pray continue on about > why > you like Numerology so well. > > ******** > > By the way, Lots of fun topics and a lot of cool philosophy being thrown > around...............much ammunition for new thinking. > I'm really loving this list again..........thanks everyone! And , as > always, thanks to Kim Flint for providing this amazing forum for all of > us. > > rick walker > > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_29502_3513558.1187265196395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Sly & Robbie .... the tightest rythmsection there ever was
 
 


 
2007/8/16, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com>:
Per wrote:
" I'd like to chime in and say  that I really liked it the first time I
heard drummer Charlie Watts
playing at a slightly different tempo then Brian Jones and the boys
in the band."

Bill Wyman was interviewed years ago about the 'sloppy' rhythmic machine
that the Rolling Stones
are.     He said a fascinating thing (and I'm paraphrasing because I read
this somewhere 30 years ago).
He said that unlike many other rhythm sections that Keith Richards led the
rhythm section.
He said the Richards frequently sped up and slowed down the rhythm and even,
occasionally, would completely
lose a beat forcing one odd time measure (though that's not how he described
it).

He said that he listened to an followed Richards religiously and that
Charlie Watts listened and followed him
religiously.

This is why the Stones have a rhythm section that is really loose and
swinging (don't forget the Watts was a jazz drummer
before he was a rock drummer) in a way that I've never heard a cover band be
able to cop their rhythmic feel.

And it's true,  you can never get this kind of feel with a static loop (or
probably not with a slightly drifting loop).

By the same token,   I did a demonstration where I purposefully made a very
lumpy beat box loop at PASIC and then demonstrated
how one , with the judicious use of stretched time and long enveloped
sounds,  make a very crummy lumpy loop actually have a
really cool musical groove to it.

You can't get this kind of feel with two human
beings..........................so there's a tradeoff.

Since we are on the subject of live looping (and to me, I agree with
everything that Andy says in his reply to my initial posting when
looping is not anywhere in the picture),  I think it is really advantageous
to learn how to use our humanness and ability to
warp time by speeding up and slowing down judiciously so that we can make
the stasis of non-stretched loops actually have
a very human feel to it.

By the way,  Andy,  if you have that post I made about learning how to play
in front, back and right on a click track,  to you mind reposting it for me?
I'm not sure I know where it is.


Per also said,
" Another  funny thing I noticed is that whenever he (the morphing reggae
rhythm guitarist he played with)
smoked grass he completely  lost this his delicate sense of timing (although
himself, he thought
he was playing great then ;-)

Well this is certainly the topic of another fascinating off topic thread
(Drugs and Live Looping)
but I have to say that I have played with really fantastic musicians who
were pot smokers all of my life.

I have found almost 100% of the time that when they get high (usually on the
first or second break in a multiple set night)
that there tempi gets very loose.      I agree with Per,   a lot of pot
smoking musicians think they have good time
when they are high, but I find that marijuana has a strongly debilitating
effect on the acuteness of rhythmic playing.

Now, frequently,  it's the lead guitarists and horn players who get away
with it the most because they aren't saddled with
playing really tight rhythmic figures.   If a sax player or singer drifts
while playing,  it's called expression...............lol.

Fascinatingly,  the premier Reggae rhythm drum and bass section,  Sly and
Robbie were asked why they had
not been seen smoking ganja the whole time the reporter had followed them
around for a profile article.
Sly said that they just realized that they couldn't get enough done if they
smoked pot like all the Reggae singers that
they did records and tours for.     He said they played better straight so
they completely gave it up.
I got to hear that rhythm section backing Black Uhuru's first American tour
("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"  gets my vote
as the best roots/dub record there is).  Man they were
murderous................as they would say.................and that's no
bumba clot, mon!




Per said,
"This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is
also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing
application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic
Intelligence guys come to bring me in..."

Oh, heck, Per,  we've already blown the off topic thing with this thread
already and all these tools can be used in conjunction
with live looping techniques......................pray continue on about why
you like Numerology so well.

********

By the way, Lots of fun topics and a lot of cool philosophy being thrown
around...............much ammunition for new thinking.
I'm really loving this list again..........thanks everyone!    And , as
always,  thanks to Kim Flint for providing this amazing forum for all of us.

rick walker





--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_29502_3513558.1187265196395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 11:57:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6F63BF2A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c7dffc$a8fd6580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:57:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Jeff wrote (in his excellent summation of the inherent problems of using the VPR with other loopers hosted inside of it) 'To combine time stretch with real-time loop manipulation like overdub, SUSInsert, Retrigger, etc. both functions have to be done in the same looper" And this has fascinated me that no one has taken this task on. It must be a hell of a scary amount of programming to scare off the likes of Jeff Larsen, Bob Amstadt, Matthias Grob and all the other brilliant engineers who have designed our beautiful and idiosyncratic instruments. The Repeater won't go for all the incredible slicing, dicing, loop length change, sus functionality of the EDP (Mobius) and vice versa. You can't do all the fantastic editing in Abelton's Live that is done in the EDP paradigm. I really love my Looperlative but Bob has said he will never take on the pitch/time stretching problem in it. This is why I try to use all three of the main hardware loopers. One thing I do is I make initial loops and then use each of the three looping paradigms Repeater--time stretched and pitching loop paradigm and EDP --- slice and dice, midi triggered sequential loop, sus, multiply, insert paradigm) to do what ever I want to do to mangle or manipulate the loop and finally, send them all to the Looperlative---multi tracked synced and unsynced paradigm, for a more song oriented approach. I have to say that if the Repeater software is good that it will revolutionize my touring ability because I'll be able to take my Looperlative, and have a Repeater and Mobius inside a laptop. Lately, I'd rather take more instruments on tour than more hardware boxes. My wife and I dragging 2 month worth of heavy suitcases (with instruments) and two heavy rack cases on boats, subways, taxies and trains all over Europe got to be a drag...............although we were BUFF by the time we hit stateside. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:09:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03F93BF54; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 596851137-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.22.6 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAHbbw0ZPQRYG/2dsb2JhbACCHwSfHw Message-ID: <46C43E65.7070101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:09:09 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:09:11 +0000 (UTC) > By the way, Andy, if you have that post I made about learning how to > play in front, back and right on a click track, to you mind reposting > it for me? > I'm not sure I know where it is. http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200207/msg01244.html recommended andy ps did you ever come across this? http://www.forwardmotionpdf.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:24:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F4C3BF51; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:24:12 EDT Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187267051" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:24:14 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187267051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2007 8:09:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200207/msg01244.html recommended andy Just wanted to say THANKS! I was just going to write Rick and ask for a link or the original post. One of the coolest things for me about having a sincere love affair with music is that feeling of gratitude that comes from knowing you can't ever really reach the "top" of your relationship with it. I can always get better and love it more. Peace/Thanks, ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187267051 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1187267051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 12:26:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9D5E3BF58; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i3krUjzK52tmMi/9zN5JjZR9akNY4HoynbgSy0X8r7dV9NfLTuNY3TFUUQSLXk0uucT0JOdO/O+fr44Fh/e10sqbaCtr8eDn53vjsRmKPklcAIgktkwFm6v4RXE8TIKHZBBSDhjmyJ2zKCLodNfbTiFHniHNl9+qv+sKX0qA4ms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NsG0mQM/J1xfCfrDtOpuxgPCJcUu3RR8cvwD5pW9cITprOQn3XlEgEkIBWCFCroYNak7u6IKiejKgVF8rWgijdei6YCqXp99T6IwiMJLsZ9976JaanhilKOG/MWN93UoksJSlvUZCYyfb1cJ2qieqV51s50OrdTEM8sP3QdTKPg= In-Reply-To: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003b01c7dffa$c9d0a260$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C644B27-9FB0-494B-824D-BDAFEAEE3704@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:26:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:26:41 +0000 (UTC) >> Per wrote: >> " Another funny thing I noticed is that whenever he (the morphing >> reggae rhythm guitarist he played with) >> smoked grass he completely lost this his delicate sense of timing >> (although himself, he thought >> he was playing great then ;-) On 16 aug 2007, at 13.44, RICK WALKER wrote: > Well this is certainly the topic of another fascinating off topic > thread (Drugs and Live Looping) > but I have to say that I have played with really fantastic > musicians who were pot smokers all of my life. My general experience is that most musicians get an awful lot of better when smoking (especially lead vocalists), but not this particular backing guitar guy. Maybe because his free flowing tempo sense was the anchor of that reggae band and even the drummer and bass player were as heavy on the beat as he, when sober. > Per said, >> "This thing with "elastic tempo", as in multiple drifting tempi, is >> also the reason for my big crush on the OS X modular sequencing >> application Numerology. I think I'll stop here before the Off Topic >> Intelligence guys come to bring me in..." > > Oh, heck, Per, we've already blown the off topic thing with this > thread already and all these tools can be used in conjunction > with live looping techniques......................pray continue on > about why you like Numerology so well. Well, imagine you have all these step sequencer modules that keep looping riffs, melodies, chords or whatever. Then you can assign knobs to adjust each sequencers number of steps. Imagine running three patterns in a cool complimentary three part groove. All three runs by 16 steps, smoothing in very well as 4/4 measure music. Now twist a knob to shorten one of them to 15 steps. This means for each loop one of the "instruments" will speed up on 16th note related to the other two instruments. To go havoc with this technique and still not loosing the downbeat feel you may set a "Hard Sync" value. If you set one sequencer module to "Hard Sync = 32" it means that this pattern will get retriggered at the original down-beat every 32d step. You may eventually assign a second button to "Tempo Division", which means that this particular sequencer will run faster or slower, compared to the others, according to the Tempo Division value (but always "brought home" by the eventual Hard Sync setting). Expand this into 128th note values and assign a fourth sequencer module (or an LFO) to modulate the instrument sequencer's Tempo Division value according to continuous sweeps, and you might take off into Squarepusher land. While all the above mentioned goodies keep raining you may also adjust a Global Groove Clock that instantly affects all playing sequencer modules to morph a complex percussive texture in or out of "shuffle feel" or whatever. The Global Groove Clock can of course be tweaked in real-time like any other module; as in changing the length of the steps, from one bar up to four, messing it up on regular or irregular intervals and bringing it all home manually or by an eventual Hard Sync value. Phiew... it's just so incredibly fun to sit down, tweak knobs and experience the ghosts of the machine parading. > And , as always, thanks to Kim Flint for providing this amazing > forum for all of us. Raising my glass at Kim ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 13:52:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9753BF5D; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YtxUOYkb2aCtsh29CVaEF2rlFE2YHUtW50apTrX4tvmgCJjn54qYbdeUhLptHO/9APQGI1E8E0oNJJWXBvuqRw8WMvPry67JWpDt5+2iKI9EeosVh/jilzVdYUm+uqisglXtsGw8dmEZdVg9ITfd60qm/K60pQYcwx838eyiJfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=acdyUWErGVyFjVh1ObmA5J7umRxSm9pS3F0QVTIlaCnEabf5WwPRqUq1PWxPZOWmLwZO1GBGVDAohwd5F6lCoV8Xu9jzAby+rxNhwTgt3NKUfYBLm9bBy8tZTdXjZ1aHl25WyzbXQMBOL6ONNZG4T98T91V0yMMFxzjILaJ+aXg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:52:00 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale In-Reply-To: <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:52:04 +0000 (UTC) The software you've purchased with your new EDP is licensed to run on one machine, i.e. the one it came with. You've purchased one seat license, and additional licenses are $120 per machine. TravisH On 8/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > > Again..I was talking about copying the eproms that are stock in the new > oberheim we got. I know nothing about these. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:20:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F5F3BECA; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:20:49 +0000 Message-Id: <081620071420.17490.46C45D4100041C07000044522212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17490_1187274049_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:20:53 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17490_1187274049_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just use Stylus with chaos. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "RICK WALKER" > -- > D. wrote: > " the drummer doesn't like clicks or > flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be > able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM. > > Having been a live and studio drummer professionally for 30 years I feel > compelled to > chime in here. All music, including quartz-locked BPM loops or sequenced > music > has the ability to 'breathe". It just takes a more sophisticated > drummer (and other > musicians) to make it appear to breathe. > > In the case of playing to quantized sequences or static loops, it is > efficacious to > practice playing anywhere from way behind the beat (in a musical fashion > that does > not 'lose' the connection to the quantized part) to way, way up on top of > the beat. > > Early on in studio playing (and before the advent of computerized recording > that allows > people to edit so effortlessly with digital crossfading like anyone can do > on a home > computer these days) we learned that we could make recordings much faster > (and > hence, way less costly) by using click tracks that kept the musicians more > honest in > terms of overall tempo (there's breathing in this case and there's just > plain old shitty > timekeeping, if you know what I mean). > > At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of trying to learn > how to play to > clicks. > > We were forced , back in the day (early 80's when I did the bulk of my > professional > studio work) to try and figure out how to make the music feel organic even > if we were > playing to a quantized click track. > > During that process, we learned that if we were to get off of the click > that we needed to > drift back to it instead of trying to jump immediately to the proper tempo > (in the former, > you never hear the mistake in the recording; in the latter, you hear the > 'bump' in the > time immediately). > > Learning how to do this...............to play at a different place in the > beat, that still is > musical then helped prepare us when we encountered people from other > cultures who > 'felt' the beat differently (Southern soul musicians who play very, very > laid back and > behind the beat, West coast funkateers who are way up on top of things, > Brazilians > who have great time but don't play to a 16th note evenly spaced grid in > their playing, > etc.) > > I have to say when I hear of a drummer who says, "I hate click tracks or > blinking lights > or playing to static loops" I think, here is a drummer whose overall > understanding of > the concept of keeping time is not real sophisticated. > > The drummer, probably more than anyone, is capable of imparting great > difference in > the way a piece of music if felt, vis a viz time. The drummer can make > really > locked quantized parts feel very organic and can make completely > unsynchronized > musicians feel very rigid and static depending on how he or she plays. > > Time is a deep world. It's a fascinating world. Like all things, it's > really good for > one's musicianship to stay flexible when it comes to playing in any musical > setting. > > A mentor of mine (a guitarist who had backed Aretha Franklin for several > years) once > said, "Every song can groove at any tempo...........it's your job to > figure out how to > make a song groove" (and breathe) if it is played at an uncomfortable > tempo or if it is > locked to a quartz-locked BPM. If someone calls 'Sunshine of your Love" at > a > ludicrously slow tempo, you can make it groove like hell if you play way > behind the > beat and in a very heavy manner. The same is true if it is called too > fast. > This musician taught me that any audience can hear if you change tempo in a > song > (especially if you are compensating at the start of a song because it > 'doesn't feel right.' > He said, "The audience never knows if you are doing a rendition of a tune > or trying to > play it authentically..........they only know if your time is strong or not. > > He would drill our band at the time by purposefully call different (and > unconventional) > tempos for different tunes in our repertoire...............if we complained > that such a song > was at the wrong speed, he would yell at us, "Find the groove, find the > groove". > > It was one of the best disciplines I ever learned as a professional touring > and studio > drummer and, to this day, it feels unprofessional when someone tries to get > me to speed up or slow down because a song feels wrong................lol, > it's just not > always appropriate for me to yell, "Find the groove, find the groove you > guys!!!!" > > Rick Walker > > ps Earlier on this list, I believe that I posted a series of exercises > that I have been > using with great success with beginning beginner drummers and bassists so > that they > can learn how to 'breathe' and play with different relaxed feels to a click > track. > Check it out if you feel like you don't know how to do this yourself. It > only takes a > couple of hours of work to learn how to do this and your whole musical world > will > change if you learn the concept. There's only one little > warning.......once you learn > how to play effortlessly and with a natural 'breathing quality' to a click > track you will > begin to notice how many musicians out there don't know how to do it and are > xenophobic when it comes to the concept. > If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me know if > you are interested > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17490_1187274049_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just use Stylus with chaos.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "RICK WALKER" <looppool@cruzio.com>

> --
> D. wrote:
> " the drummer doesn't like clicks or
> flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be
> able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM.
>
> Having been a live and studio drummer professionally for 30 years I feel
> compelled to
> chime in here. All music, including quartz-locked BPM loops or sequenced
> music
> has the ability to 'breathe". It just takes a more sophisticated
> drummer (and other
> musicians) to make it appear to breathe.
>
> In the case of playing to quantized sequences or static loops, it is
> efficacious to
> practice playing anywhere from way behind the beat (in a musical fashion
> that does
> no t 'lose' the connection to the quantized part) to way, way up on top of
> the beat.
>
> Early on in studio playing (and before the advent of computerized recording
> that allows
> people to edit so effortlessly with digital crossfading like anyone can do
> on a home
> computer these days) we learned that we could make recordings much faster
> (and
> hence, way less costly) by using click tracks that kept the musicians more
> honest in
> terms of overall tempo (there's breathing in this case and there's just
> plain old shitty
> timekeeping, if you know what I mean).
>
> At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of trying to learn
> how to play to
> clicks.
>
> We were forced , back in the day (early 80's when I did the bulk of my
> professional
> studio work) to try and figure out how to make the music feel organic even > if we were
> playing to a quantized click track.
>
> During that process, we learned that if we were to get off of the click
> that we needed to
> drift back to it instead of trying to jump immediately to the proper tempo
> (in the former,
> you never hear the mistake in the recording; in the latter, you hear the
> 'bump' in the
> time immediately).
>
> Learning how to do this...............to play at a different place in the
> beat, that still is
> musical then helped prepare us when we encountered people from other
> cultures who
> 'felt' the beat differently (Southern soul musicians who play very, very
> laid back and
> behind the beat, West coast funkateers who are way up on top of things,
> Brazilians
> who have great time but don't play to a 16th note evenly spaced grid in
> their playing,
> etc.)
>
> I have to say when I hear of a drummer who says, "I hate click tracks or
> blinking lights
> or playing to static loops" I think, here is a drummer whose overall
> understanding of
> the concept of keeping time is not real sophisticated.
>
> The drummer, probably more than anyone, is capable of imparting great
> difference in
> the way a piece of music if felt, vis a viz time. The drummer can make
> really
> locked quantized parts feel very organic and can make completely
> unsynchronized
> musicians feel very rigid and static depending on how he or she plays.
>
> Time is a deep world. It's a fascinating world. Like all things, it's
> really good for
> one's musicianship to stay flexible when it comes to playing in any musical
> setting.
>
> A mentor of mine (a guitarist who had backed Aretha Franklin for several
> years) once
> said, "Every song can groove at any tempo...........it's your job to
> figure out how to
> make a song groove" (and breathe) if it is played at an uncomfortable
> tempo or if it is
> locked to a quartz-locked BPM. If someone calls 'Sunshine of your Love" at
> a
> ludicrously slow tempo, you can make it groove like hell if you play way
> behind the
> beat and in a very heavy manner. The same is true if it is called too
> fast.
> This musician taught me that any audience can hear if you change tempo in a
> song
> (especially if you are compensating at the start of a song because it
> 'doesn't feel right.'
> He said, "The audience never knows if you are doing a rendition of a tune
> or trying to
> play it authentically..........they only know if your time is strong or not.
>
> He would drill our band at the time by purposefully call different (and
> unconventional)
& gt; tempos for different tunes in our repertoire...............if we complained
> that such a song
> was at the wrong speed, he would yell at us, "Find the groove, find the
> groove".
>
> It was one of the best disciplines I ever learned as a professional touring
> and studio
> drummer and, to this day, it feels unprofessional when someone tries to get
> me to speed up or slow down because a song feels wrong................lol,
> it's just not
> always appropriate for me to yell, "Find the groove, find the groove you
> guys!!!!"
>
> Rick Walker
>
> ps Earlier on this list, I believe that I posted a series of exercises
> that I have been
> using with great success with beginning beginner drummers and bassists so
> that they
> can learn how to 'breathe' and play with different relaxed feels to a click
> track.
> Check it out if you feel li ke you don't know how to do this yourself. It
> only takes a
> couple of hours of work to learn how to do this and your whole musical world
> will
> change if you learn the concept. There's only one little
> warning.......once you learn
> how to play effortlessly and with a natural 'breathing quality' to a click
> track you will
> begin to notice how many musicians out there don't know how to do it and are
> xenophobic when it comes to the concept.
> If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me know if
> you are interested
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17490_1187274049_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:27:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD47E3BF5B; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cc01c7e011$8ac91bd0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: boss rc-2 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:27:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C7DFDF.3F28FBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:27:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C7DFDF.3F28FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one, as a backup to my notebook, because it is so small and will = fit anywhere in my luggage. It's a clean and simple little machine for = just basic looping and overdubbing, but no bells and whistles. You can = record, overdub, stop, re-replay, reset, and undo, and redo all with the = same button. You can also hook up a footswitch to it to create some more = variability beyond the single footswitch. http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: boss rc-2 Has anyone tried out the roland/boss loopstation rc-2 = http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-2/index.html ? --=20 Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C7DFDF.3F28FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have one, as a backup to my notebook, = because it=20 is so small and will fit anywhere in my luggage. It's a clean and simple = little=20 machine for just basic looping and overdubbing, but no bells and = whistles. You=20 can record, overdub, stop, re-replay, reset, and undo, and redo all = with=20 the same button. You can also hook up a footswitch to it to create some = more=20 variability beyond the single footswitch.
 
http:/= /lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 = 3:11=20 AM
Subject: boss rc-2

Has anyone tried out the  roland/boss loopstation rc-2  = http://www.rol= and.com/products/en/RC-2/index.html ?
 


--
Arne R. Skage = jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com =
------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C7DFDF.3F28FBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168DE3BF5C; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 641171764 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:49:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204B26424@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5C644B27-9FB0-494B-824D-BDAFEAEE3704@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Thread-Index: AcfgFKyISWnEarZfQwi1CNSyL/BWag== References: <5C644B27-9FB0-494B-824D-BDAFEAEE3704@gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2007 14:49:39.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC4CF1C0:01C7E014] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) >>Well, imagine you have all these step sequencer modules that keep =20 looping riffs, melodies, chords or whatever. Then you can assign =20 knobs to adjust each sequencers number of steps. Imagine running =20 three patterns in a cool complimentary three part groove. All three =20 runs by 16 steps, smoothing in very well as 4/4 measure music. Now =20 twist a knob to shorten one of them to 15 steps. This means for each =20 loop one of the "instruments" will speed up on 16th note related to =20 the other two instruments. To go havoc with this technique and still =20 not loosing the downbeat feel you may set a "Hard Sync" value. If you =20 set one sequencer module to "Hard Sync =3D 32" it means that this =20 pattern will get retriggered at the original down-beat every 32d =20 step. You may eventually assign a second button to "Tempo Division", =20 which means that this particular sequencer will run faster or slower, =20 compared to the others, according to the Tempo Division value (but =20 always "brought home" by the eventual Hard Sync setting). Expand this =20 into 128th note values and assign a fourth sequencer module (or an =20 LFO) to modulate the instrument sequencer's Tempo Division value =20 according to continuous sweeps, and you might take off into =20 Squarepusher land.<< per, you really need to get y'rself a sequentix p3 midi sequencer. I have been using one of mine as a polyphonic midi looper. http://www.sequentix.com/ colin doesn't make or supply the thing any more, because he is working on the p4- the result of a healthy forum & many keen users. they do turn up for sale from time to time though.=20 obviously, it will hard-quantize the note on/offs to whatever the resolution of the pattern is, but one has the option of switching the midi-through on & off in record mode, so that one's unquantized keyboard riffing (or, in my case, banging around on a peavey midibase) can go straight through to the sampler/module the first time it's played, then the sequencer repeats it quantized until/unless you play something else & over-write the pattern with new notes. the 8 "parts" can all be on different midi channels or all on the same channel or anything in between. they can run at different tempi-divisions, be different lengths, run in any number of directions including a variety of random, brownian &c. they can be made to interact, so that one track will poach notes from other tracks...... almost all of these parameters can be altered by step-events, by manual manipulation, by accumulators that do different things depending how "old" the sequences are, & all in real-time while the thing is running. I'm using, as I mentioned earlier, my repeater as the master clock. my challenge is to keep the sequences bouncing nicely along with a syncopated echo but in fact, my drummer is the master clock & the repeater should follow him really. he doesn't/won't play the sort of drum patterns that would lend themselves to beat-extraction, either by the repeater's beat detector or by anything else I can think of, hence my whacking the tap-tempo button & looking for a way to do this with a speed-up/slow-down pedal. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:55:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6D6C3BF5B; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070816095418.82312r0wi880kowo@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:54:18 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Quoting RICK WALKER : > -- > D. wrote: > " the drummer doesn't like clicks or > flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be > able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM. > > Having been a live and studio drummer professionally for 30 years I > feel compelled to > chime in here... This topic is fascinating and so relevant to the looping genre wherein =20 we humans (inherently intuitive and flexible) interact with machines =20 (inherently mechanical). My professional work is as a classical organist. Most (electric =20 action) pipe organs are inherently sloppy. Often times the console =20 (the keyboards) are seperated by great distances to the pipes. Before =20 the day of solid state actions, the the combined travel time of all =20 the mechanical relay switches contributed to the slop. As a result of =20 all of this, most organists learn to play "ahead of the beat" to =20 compensate for the delays. Add to this that we are also trying to =20 pull congregations along to keep them from dragging... again, playing =20 a little ahead of the beat. Now, if this isn't enough to destroy =20 one's sense of timing, consider that most hymns are written with =20 straight, un-syncopated rhythmns. To practice organ with a metronome is quite an experience -- you hear =20 the music half a beat after you hit the notes! I have often thought that organists should be REQUIRED to study drums =20 as a second instrument as an antidote to the straight rhythmic =20 language of most traditional church music. As beautiful as soaring melodies and sonorous harmonies are, rhythm is =20 the force that drives the music -- even when percussion instruments =20 aren't used. In an involved work, such as a Bach fugue, a missed note =20 or two isn't too noticeable however a botched rhythm messes everything =20 up. Well, I can't say that I have looped any organ music. My looping =20 work is with electronic instruments -- synthesizers and theremin. The discussion here about rhythm -- to play ahead of and behind the =20 beat -- suggests that this rhythmic push/pull imparts "life" to the =20 music the same as harmonic tension/resolution. One notices that =20 there must be a beat: "the reference beat" around which to play. A =20 click track, other musicians, or one's own internal clock may provide =20 the reference beat. So, a drummer that doesn't like click tracks is =20 well... a little suspect! Hopefully his preference is not to LISTEN =20 to a click track though one hopes that he could stay in tempo with one =20 anyway. Whether I listen to a click track or not, I find it necessary to have =20 some kind of "reference" -- an internal click track -- so that my =20 performance will have energy. To make music with loops forces the rhythmic issue to the fore. Even =20 if the music is non-percussive, one must play with precision to avoid =20 "slop" and, at the same time, play with enough flexibility to impart =20 life and emotion to the music. As does consonance and dissonance, the =20 ebb and flow of "on" and "off" beat rhythm imparts warmth, humanness, =20 and energy to the music. -- Kevin -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 14:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96DA3BEB3; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:58:47 EDT Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187276327" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_LPVJ.A.ad.3YGxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187276327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:21:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: I just use Stylus with chaos. Thumbs up! You do any importing of home made slices with Stylus via Recycle? I am just "getting there" now and wondering what the chaos possibilities are if any. Stylus RMX is the bomb. Who knows, someday I might actually quit playing with it long enough to research Reaktor 5 which I have had and barely touched for te last 3 months. Damn lack of personal time, if only we could loop that stuff and jump in for a few centuries. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187276327 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:21:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I just=20 use Stylus with chaos.
Thumbs up!
You do any importing of home made slices with Stylus via Recycle? I am=20= just=20 "getting there" now and wondering what the chaos possibilities are if any.=20 Stylus RMX is the bomb. Who knows, someday I might actually quit playing wit= h it=20 long enough to research Reaktor 5 which I have had and barely touched for te= =20 last 3 months. Damn lack of personal time, if only we could loop that s= tuff=20 and jump in for a few centuries.



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-------------------------------1187276327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:26:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1F923BF44; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 594215944-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.22.6 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAKIJxEZPQRYG/2dsb2JhbACCHwSfPw Message-ID: <46C46C78.5070506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:25:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070816095418.82312r0wi880kowo@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070816095418.82312r0wi880kowo@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5d4Q2.A.dfB.LyGxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) > So, a drummer that doesn't like click tracks is well... a little > suspect! huh? Even if they have perfectly legitimate reasons for not liking? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:37:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B94C3BF51; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:37:45 +0000 Message-Id: <081620071537.4588.46C46F48000F2D0B000011EC2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4588_1187278665_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4588_1187278665_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have not had the oppurtunity (or time) to experiment with home made-slices. That seems like another language to me right now. My friggin bottom memory slot on my Powerbook just went bad, so Im saddled with lower then usual CPU at the moment. So what Im forced to do to save CPU is to render Stylus loops to audio then create a more random feel by using Follow Actions in Live. This works great but its not very good for work flow. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:21:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: I just use Stylus with chaos. Thumbs up! You do any importing of home made slices with Stylus via Recycle? I am just "getting there" now and wondering what the chaos possibilities are if any. Stylus RMX is the bomb. Who knows, someday I might actually quit playing with it long enough to research Reaktor 5 which I have had and barely touched for te last 3 months. Damn lack of personal time, if only we could loop that stuff and jump in for a few centuries. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4588_1187278665_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have not had the oppurtunity (or time) to experiment with home made-slices. That seems like another language to me right now. My friggin bottom memory slot on my Powerbook just went bad, so Im saddled with lower then usual CPU at the moment.
So what Im forced to do to save CPU is to render Stylus loops to audio then create a more random feel by using Follow Actions in Live. This works great but its not very good for work flow.
 
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From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com
In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:21:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
I just use Stylus with chaos.
 
Thumbs up!
You do any importing of home made slices with Stylus via Recycle? I am just "getting there" now and wondering what the chaos possibilities are if any. Stylus RMX is the bomb. Who knows, someday I might actually quit playing with it long enough to research Reaktor 5 which I have had and barely touched for te last 3 months. Damn lack of personal time, if only we could loop that stuff and jump in for a few centuries.



Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4588_1187278665_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 15:48:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E0F13BF64; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:48:45 +0000 Message-Id: <081620071548.23473.46C471DD0006556A00005BB12216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23473_1187279325_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23473_1187279325_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That reminds me of the time I was playing with a younger, less experienced drummer whose time was all over the place. I asked after the gig if he ever practiced with a Metrenome. He said, "nah, the only thing those are really good for is to tell you when your speeding up or slowing down." -------------- Original message -------------- From: andy butler > > > So, a drummer that doesn't like click tracks is well... a little > > suspect! > > huh? > Even if they have perfectly legitimate reasons for not liking? > > andy > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23473_1187279325_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
That reminds me of the time I was playing with a younger, less experienced drummer whose time was all over the place. I asked after the gig if he ever practiced with a Metrenome. He said, "nah, the only thing those are really good for is to tell you when your speeding up or slowing down."
 
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>
> > So, a drummer that doesn't like click tracks is well... a little
> > suspect!
>
> huh?
> Even if they have perfectly legitimate reasons for not liking?
>
> andy
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23473_1187279325_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:48:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACDEB3BF44; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:48:41 EDT Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187282921" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:48:48 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187282921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/16/2007 11:38:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: I have not had the oppurtunity (or time) to experiment with home made-slices. That seems like another language to me right now. My friggin bottom memory slot on my Powerbook just went bad, so Im saddled with lower then usual CPU at the moment. So what Im forced to do to save CPU is to render Stylus loops to audio then create a more random feel by using Follow Actions in Live. This works great but its not very good for work flow. Actually, that's a very good approach. Check the following out. It's actually very CPU friendly and is extremely cool for creating bizarro yet groove friendly audio renders. Eric actually thought this was a pretty cool idea (!?) ;-) _http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55169_ (http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55169) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187282921 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/16/2007 11:38:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
I have not had the oppurtunity (or time) to experiment with home=20 made-slices. That seems like another language to me right now. My friggin=20 bottom memory slot on my Powerbook just went bad, so Im saddled with lower= =20 then usual CPU at the moment.
So what Im forced to do to save CPU is to render Stylus loops to audi= o=20 then create a more random feel by using Follow Actions in Live. This works= =20 great but its not very good for work flow.
Actually, that's a very good approach. Check the following out. It's=20 actually very CPU friendly and is extremely cool for creating bizarro yet gr= oove=20 friendly audio renders. Eric actually thought this was a pretty cool idea (!= ?)=20 ;-)
 
http:/= /www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D55169

<= BR>
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-------------------------------1187282921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 16:59:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782DE3BF28; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708161659.l7GGxX96034072@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: "Virtual Repeater" Software Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:59:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DFEC.269C4580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfgJtKzsiN+FcfgRk2TyRlGXeHpzg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:59:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DFEC.269C4580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to Adam Scolara at Electrix, they will be making an announcement to our web site sometime tomorrow or over the weekend. They just got their new web site up and running. Incidentally, I have been in contact with them every couple of weeks or so. I initiated the contact, and to be honest when I first talked to them I was very honest about how lame I thought the previous regime was in communication, and that they were fighting an uphill battle, not just because of the skepticism people on this list, whining at them, but also because of the trend toward lap tops and the general movement away from hardware machines. To give you an example of how topsy turvy the hardware processing market is. Both TC electronic and Eventide have announced new floor pedal versions of their classic delays and reverbs, a move I believe was necessitated by slumping rack mount sales, the trend toward VST plug-ins, and the fact that the pedal effect market seems to be steaming right along, though racl gear is all but dead. I have inside knowledge because I made the effort to connect with them. Their decision to hold off on a hardware version is mainly due to their desire to build a new and better Repeater, not just a knock -off of a ten year old piece of hardware, that in tech years, is equivalent to the half life of radioactive isotopes. They also wanted to throw there hand in the ring of software loopers as that has been the trend., and I think they will have a compelling product. Whether or not the hardware version sees the light of day I cannot say, but I hope they will as some of us still have little desire to use a lap top for making live music. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DFEC.269C4580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

According to Adam Scolara at Electrix, they will be = making an announcement to our web site sometime tomorrow or over the weekend. = They just got their new web site up and running.  Incidentally, I have been = in contact with them every couple of weeks or so.  I initiated the = contact, and to be honest when I first talked to them I was very honest about how = lame I thought the previous regime was in communication, and that they were = fighting an uphill battle, not just because of the skepticism people on this = list, whining at them, but also because of the trend toward lap tops and the = general movement away from hardware machines. To give you an example of how = topsy turvy the hardware processing market is. Both TC electronic and Eventide have announced new floor pedal versions of their classic delays and reverbs, = a move I believe was necessitated by slumping rack mount sales, the trend = toward VST plug-ins, and the fact that the pedal effect market seems to be steaming right = along, though racl gear is all but dead. I have inside knowledge because I made = the effort to connect with them. Their decision to hold off on a hardware = version is mainly due to their desire to build a new and better Repeater, =  not just a knock –off of a ten year old piece of hardware, that in = tech years, is equivalent to the half life of radioactive isotopes. They also = wanted to throw there hand in the ring of software loopers as that has been the trend., and I think they will have a compelling product.  Whether = or not the hardware version sees the light of day I cannot say, but I hope they = will as some of us still have little desire  to use a lap top for making = live music.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7DFEC.269C4580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:19:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE623BF4A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A29BA@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <004101c7dffc$a8fd6580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Topic: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Thread-Index: Acff/KkIIbVXiTFPS1yyWxRqg2xXZQALFWjw References: <004101c7dffc$a8fd6580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:19:58 +0000 (UTC) > To combine time stretch with real-time loop manipulation > like overdub, SUSInsert, Retrigger, etc. both functions > have to be done in the same looper. After thinking about this more, I was wrong. It is complicated but it can be done. Since the hosts I use don't do time stretching I always think of stretch being applied by another plugin patched in after the looper. Here, the plugins have no control over each other and you have the problems I describe. But with the VRP, the time stretch is being done by the host which has control over the looper plugin. Audio is always processed in "blocks" which are quite small but let's exaggerate and say a block is 1 second worth of audio. At any given moment, the VRP is taking in 1 second of audio and sending out 1 second of audio. If there is no time stretching then this 1 second is simply passed through the looper plugin since they are both running at the same rate. Now let's say that you time stretch the VRP track to drop it to 1/2 speed. The VRP needs to generate 1 second of output but it only needs 1/2 second of plugin output to do that because it will be doubling the size of what is received from the plugin. So, even though we're processing a 1 second block, the host tells the plugin the block is only 1/2 second long. The plugin doesn't realize this but it is actually playing at 1/2 the speed that the host is. But we have another problem on the input side. A looper plugins is often recording at the same time that it is playing, if we tell the plugin to play 1/2 second of audio we've also got to feed it 1/2 second to record. But up in the host we've got a full second that needs to be recorded and the plugin only wants 1/2. The input must therefore be time stretched in the opposite direction, compressing 1 second down to 1/2 second to give to the plugin. So, in order to do time stretching around a plugin you have to=20 do it twice, once to process the input sent to the plugin and again in the opposite direction to process the output of the plugin. This is basically what Mobius does when you overdub at the same time has you change speeds. What Mobius doesn't have is the ability to do a pitch shift to bring the speed adjusted audio back to the original pitch like the VRP does. > It must be a hell of a scary amount of programming to scare off the=20 > likes of Jeff Larsen Changing the speed isn't hard, it is the pitch shifting that's hard. This requires knowledge of DSP (digital signal processing) algorithms which is a specialized skill that not many programmers have. There are lots of algorithms published on the web that sound great, but they require too much computer processing and can't be used in real time. The ones that are fast tend to add weird artifacts to the sound. The trick is to find the balance between good sound and fast processing. At the end of the day it isn't a lot of code, it's a lot of mathematics, and I basically suck at math :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 17:57:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81B2C3BF68; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070816125635.jh3ngrvdb4g840wk@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:56:35 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070816095418.82312r0wi880kowo@69.89.21.76> <46C46C78.5070506@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46C46C78.5070506@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Quoting andy butler : > >> So, a drummer that doesn't like click tracks is well... a little suspect! > > huh? > Even if they have perfectly legitimate reasons for not liking? > > andy Andy, Well I was referring to click tracks as a tool in the studio or rehearsal room -- not necessarily as something for live performance. Click tracks and metronomes are all useful -- they have their place in the cosmos. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:11:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38C1A3BF54; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <266567784.1187287894339.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:11:34 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article Cc: RICK WALKER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:11:33 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations Rick (and Andy too)! It's got to be some sort of double-breakthrough to have both a mulit-instru= mentalis/percussionist/looper and a looper/beatboxer be in a DRUM magazine. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." -- Richard= Feynman Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- RICK WALKER wrote:=20 > The current (September 2007) issue of DRUM! Magazine > has a 6 page article on live looping techniques for drummers and=20 > percussionists. >=20 > Norm Weinberg wrote are really wonderful article and I'm proud to say tha= t > he wrote about two contrasting live looping approaches (hardware/softwar= e;=20 > all improvisational/ > set composition performance) comparing the way I loop and the way that my= =20 > friend, Andrew > (aka Kid Beyond) loops. >=20 > I'm excited because this is a first for our community in a national=20 > drumming magazine and it's also the very first time > I've ever been profiled in a national drumming magazine. It feels good = as=20 > I'm celebrating my 40th year drumming this year. >=20 > My wife, Chris read the article and said that she thought it was an=20 > excellent primer for someone who > is just getting started in the looping world. >=20 > Norm deserves congratulations on a really nice writing job. >=20 > Rick Walker=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:25:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 772763BF44; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BBB0032-3B53-4863-806D-B44C2EB9735E@zonemobius.com> References: <081520071704.8396.46C3321F0005BACC000020CC2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> <22b801c7df5f$bcc80220$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3BBB0032-3B53-4863-806D-B44C2EB9735E@zonemobius.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Accelerando and Ritard in Looping Softs (was: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:25:09 +0000 (UTC) At 7:15 PM -0500 8/15/07, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > Under Windows you would be able to run Mobius as a VST plug-in inside >> the VRP host. That would give you all the EDP power plus the few >> strong points added by the Repeater. > >The main feature that sets the Repeater apart from other hardware/software >devices is its "time stretching" ability, or as discussed in another >thread the ability to do ritardondo and accelerando without changing >the pitch. Technically this is a combination of a "rate shift" where >you change the speed of the loop loop plus a compensating pitch shift >where you bring the rate adjusted loop back to its original pitch. Well, sneaking back to (erm, a different thread's) core topic of using software to emulate ritardondo and accelerando ala the Repeater.... Ableton itself notwithstanding, there is (at least) one other piece of Mac looping software that implements this just fine, although it feels like I may be the only person on list still using it at all: Plasq Musolomo. You need some source of master tempo clock (I'm using it in Live 6), but it will follow tempo changes fine. Within a few BPM, there doesn't even appear to be obvious aliasing. And, at the extremes -- 20% to 200% of tempo, for instance -- the degradation is more of the "interesting" nature, just as on the Repeater. You don't even have to assign an extra CC inside Musolomo to accomplish this (although you could do that too if you wanted); it automatically syncs and chases clock. Assign an external control to your workstation's master tempo; your loops and backing tracks can all push or drag together. I just now tested it again to make sure I wasn't mistaken. Twist the tempo value up and down, and it follows like a champ. Also, like the Repeater, you can do the opposite and implement pitch shift without futzing the time domain. As I've stated on a previous occasions, there are some issues with the software, not the least of which being that Plasq has moved on to graphics-oriented software (e.g. Comic Life) and abandoned its audio line entirely. Also, Musolomo really functions best receiving clock from another source, so forget about "first loop" capability. Finally, my biggest complaint is the lack of any feedback function, making it more a phrase sampler than looper, IMNSHO. Still, if you can accept those limitations, it's a pretty neat little toy... --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:42:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88B243BF4A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c7e035$3d7ba3b0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcffgQpNxT2hTBTyQDKu3dQV14pBFAAs3Bmw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) How does the varispeed/no pitch change sound with the Max/MSP looper? = I'm usually disappointed but man the Repeater totally nailed that function. Best real time independent pitch/tempo I've heard in a device that costs $500. Sure it got weird when you got far away from the original tempo, = but weird in such a nice way. If the promised Repeater software looper can = do as good a job I might just ignore the Polaroid I have of the Electrix = logo where I wrote, "Don't believe his lies" on it. But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. Behold = the internet! All the fun of hearsay with the excitement of typing! Mark -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the = variable=20 speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to = create=20 a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, both=20 forward and backward. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 > Here are a few features off the top of my head... > > Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert=20 > patchpoint), > individual outputs, > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing = this=20 > causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, > variable feedback control > memory card backup and storage, > usable physical user interface, > metering for each track, > headpone output with independant level control > >>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of = the >>Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? >> >>Kris > > --=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 18:56:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD7053BF47; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:58:41 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Ok I found the faq. I had no idea that someone else wrote the firmware for the EDP. I figured this was some kind of 2nd source enhancement that my client wouldn't need since he already has a couple of the machines which I figured had Gibson's EPROM in them and which he is happy with..not to mention we just got a loaded one for less and have gotten them even cheaper in the past. (and some dumb bunny just stole one when he shipped it to the wrong addy. If anyone sees one coming out of Montana let me know.) . I don't use these machines like I say and am trying to get time to put together a working rack of them for Todd Green since I have so little time of late to pursue something that probably will leave me clobbered again in the end at the moment. "Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of such a thing and considering making one. Does this person have some FINANCIAL INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this "CV" and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally don't get it. I'm just a friendly guy who likes to put his life into things that bring joy to people. I know a bit about analog and digital design, pic chip programming, but don't know much about making money in this world, nor care. I live at a minimal level because I'm in a society that mandates a social religion (social security they call it). I object and therefore the IRS makes it their duty to persecute me if I make any actual money because I refuse to be part of a social religion. So if I DID make something like this I'd have to let someone else make most of the money on it anyway or move to a country where they don't have such laws. Freedom. Not. But anyway so just ...wondering. If this person is going to just lash out at every opportunity then I guess it's stupid to even subscribe to this group given that I hear it comrpomises my email possibly anyway. I'd like to understand what has gotten under this person's skin that they knee jerk and attack/mock me, and to receive an apology. Gee..when was the last time I saw one of those in this arrogant world? -Bob -Bob Travis Hartnett wrote: >The software you've purchased with your new EDP is licensed to run on >one machine, i.e. the one it came with. You've purchased one seat >license, and additional licenses are $120 per machine. > >TravisH > >On 8/16/07, Bob Weigel wrote: > > > >>Again..I was talking about copying the eproms that are stock in the new >>oberheim we got. I know nothing about these. >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:26:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39033BF2A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:26:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <000f01c7e035$3d7ba3b0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Thread-Index: AcffgQpNxT2hTBTyQDKu3dQV14pBFAAs3BmwAAG1eIA= Message-Id: <20070816192620.822CC3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:26:20 +0000 (UTC) I love the Memento reference! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > How does the varispeed/no pitch change sound with the Max/MSP looper? I'm > usually disappointed but man the Repeater totally nailed that function. > Best real time independent pitch/tempo I've heard in a device that costs > $500. Sure it got weird when you got far away from the original tempo, > but > weird in such a nice way. If the promised Repeater software looper can do > as good a job I might just ignore the Polaroid I have of the Electrix logo > where I wrote, "Don't believe his lies" on it. > > But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. Behold the > internet! All the fun of hearsay with the excitement of typing! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the variable > speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to > create > a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, both > forward and backward. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Here are a few features off the top of my head... > > > > Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert > > patchpoint), > > individual outputs, > > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing > this > > causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, > > variable feedback control > > memory card backup and storage, > > usable physical user interface, > > metering for each track, > > headpone output with independant level control > > > >>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of > the > > >>Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? > >> > >>Kris > > > > -- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 19:31:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C1A3BF49; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A17@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01c7e035$3d7ba3b0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Thread-Topic: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Thread-Index: AcffgQpNxT2hTBTyQDKu3dQV14pBFAAs3BmwAAG/aNA= References: <22d301c7df64$c7906080$83caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000f01c7e035$3d7ba3b0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:31:17 +0000 (UTC) > But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. =20 When you do, make sure you call it a "Vintage Software Looper", you'll get more for it. I think yours is an '06 which was a good year. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:05:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B73973BF39; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33445653.1187294394032.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:59:54 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Cc: Jeff Larson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Isn't Moebius a free download or are you all jesting? -- Paul Richards ---- Jeff Larson wrote: > > > But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. > > When you do, make sure you call it a "Vintage Software Looper", > you'll get more for it. I think yours is an '06 which was > a good year. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F80B3BF4C; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: Memento otnemeM Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:20:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c7e042$f2c0bf50$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070816192620.822CC3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcffgQpNxT2hTBTyQDKu3dQV14pBFAAs3BmwAAG1eIAAAOXFgA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! If I can make one person smile, then my work here is done. On that note, and kind of loop related, I saw a film maker take that = movie, throw it into Final Cut Pro and edit it to run in a forward time linear style. It was really interesting to watch! Ended up being oddly funny. Time, it's like my friend Al used to say, "good thing we have time or everything would happen all at once!" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... I love the Memento reference! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... >=20 > How does the varispeed/no pitch change sound with the Max/MSP looper? = I'm > usually disappointed but man the Repeater totally nailed that = function. > Best real time independent pitch/tempo I've heard in a device that = costs > $500. Sure it got weird when you got far away from the original = tempo, > but > weird in such a nice way. If the promised Repeater software looper = can do > as good a job I might just ignore the Polaroid I have of the Electrix = logo > where I wrote, "Don't believe his lies" on it. >=20 > But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. Behold = the > internet! All the fun of hearsay with the excitement of typing! >=20 > Mark >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... >=20 > Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the = variable > speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to > create > a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, both > forward and backward. >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- >=20 > > Here are a few features off the top of my head... > > > > Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level = insert > > patchpoint), > > individual outputs, > > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing > this > > causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, > > variable feedback control > > memory card backup and storage, > > usable physical user interface, > > metering for each track, > > headpone output with independant level control > > > >>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features = of > the >=20 > >>Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? > >> > >>Kris > > > > -- > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:25:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58B883BF51; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 594322248-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.22.6 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAIpOxEZPQRYG/2dsb2JhbACCHwSgKw Message-ID: <46C4B2B4.4060908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:25:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes References: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070816095418.82312r0wi880kowo@69.89.21.76> <46C46C78.5070506@tiscali.co.uk> <20070816125635.jh3ngrvdb4g840wk@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070816125635.jh3ngrvdb4g840wk@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:25:25 +0000 (UTC) > > Andy, > > Well I was referring to click tracks as a tool in the studio or > rehearsal room -- not necessarily as something for live performance. > > Click tracks and metronomes are all useful -- they have their place in > the cosmos. :) > Given a choice, I would give the click a miss. Doesn't mean I wouldn't use one. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:25:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5E83BF57; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Memento otnemeM Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:26:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002501c7e042$f2c0bf50$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Thread-Index: AcffgQpNxT2hTBTyQDKu3dQV14pBFAAs3BmwAAG1eIAAAOXFgAABJWKg Message-Id: <20070816202556.8C4A23BF47@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:25:56 +0000 (UTC) There. I smiled twice! I _had_ to forward this thread to my screenplay buddy. I'm sure he'll get a chuckle. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Memento otnemeM > > Thanks! If I can make one person smile, then my work here is done. > > On that note, and kind of loop related, I saw a film maker take that > movie, > throw it into Final Cut Pro and edit it to run in a forward time linear > style. It was really interesting to watch! Ended up being oddly funny. > Time, it's like my friend Al used to say, "good thing we have time or > everything would happen all at once!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > I love the Memento reference! :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:43 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > > > How does the varispeed/no pitch change sound with the Max/MSP looper? > I'm > > usually disappointed but man the Repeater totally nailed that function. > > Best real time independent pitch/tempo I've heard in a device that costs > > $500. Sure it got weird when you got far away from the original tempo, > > but > > weird in such a nice way. If the promised Repeater software looper can > do > > as good a job I might just ignore the Polaroid I have of the Electrix > logo > > where I wrote, "Don't believe his lies" on it. > > > > But for now I'm not going to put my copy of Mobius up on ebay. Behold > the > > internet! All the fun of hearsay with the excitement of typing! > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > > > Hmmm...all things one can do in a max/msp looper. :) I love the > variable > > speed control, which I didn't see listed below. I love being able to > > create > > a loop and then step on my expression pedal to change the speed, both > > forward and backward. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Here are a few features off the top of my head... > > > > > > Independant control over 4 tracks (including pitch, pan level insert > > > patchpoint), > > > individual outputs, > > > full fidelity audio -without preemphasis/deemphasis and the aliasing > > this > > > causes in the EDP when using a fuzzbox, > > > variable feedback control > > > memory card backup and storage, > > > usable physical user interface, > > > metering for each track, > > > headpone output with independant level control > > > > > >>Out of curiousity, what are the main selling points/unique features of > > the > > > > >>Repeater that the EDP doesn't offer? Variable speed control is one? > > >> > > >>Kris > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 20:39:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34963BF5D; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:39:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A40@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <33445653.1187294394032.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> Thread-Topic: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Thread-Index: AcfgQM65qjozGq5dRmKapknUZf+lCQAA8tcQ References: <33445653.1187294394032.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-uGOGC.A.7sF.QYLxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:39:44 +0000 (UTC) > Isn't Moebius a free download or are you all jesting? You can pretty much assume that any message from me is either: 1) a joke =20 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in In this case it was 1. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:00:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1AC3BF54; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Wdkx/gd69GaXkSBVXVuJk8OcK5FHQhukWSQ9HIqb+VjRbIzIIMwYbGwMqEQWOf0wkPskuuG9wM2RqaNOSFsD4A7HG61TrlujXYsfUD20MFekIRtAlL/BNLXaDiHnOLw875cLRigBkZttHdrKO+cmNXCfcAu9PYG2CGhi0iTSrCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hZr4Po0VG+N6XAk63mJBRJbnjVWb16/Ib28Xdg1i6yVQ2qKZKrqkuBaSERvs+MJ19vQ1m9W+oKdBW1SXa8a/uek50M/LG70dfGmRofz7Nj9K/QVQlZKT3gvIuS9XDY5p8UiD4HyN1n/5hqy2CBitofLmb/IsMqSFqzBTYZQQK+8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A40@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <33445653.1187294394032.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.adelphia.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A40@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9423EC51-DE86-4EBD-A648-88FD4FDBDDCE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:00:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) On 16 aug 2007, at 22.39, Jeff Larson wrote: > You can pretty much assume that any message from me > is either: > > 1) a joke > > 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise > that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in > > In this case it is 1. Aha... a "linguistic mobius strip"!!! ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FCF03BF4B; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:23:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <9423EC51-DE86-4EBD-A648-88FD4FDBDDCE@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcfgSIZfBQbPcstIQJSFH1jRVQNSVwAAxfjA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAdlxdHU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:23:31 +0000 (UTC) > > 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise > > that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in Per, Krispen and me...hey, there must be at least one more? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:33:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7FC73BF59; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:32:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: processors? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46C4D060.26075.137CF3@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:33:14 +0000 (UTC) What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I need, but would like some new suonds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DF1B3BF62; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1187300219.46c4c37b6f096@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:36:59 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... References: <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: <3BSIn.A.t-H.9NMxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:37:01 +0000 (UTC) I'm always a sucker for technobabble.. :) Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > > 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise > > > that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in > > Per, Krispen and me...hey, there must be at least one more? > > Rainer > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:40:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 425273BF46; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <46C4D060.26075.137CF3@nick.12testing.net> Message-ID: References: <46C4D060.26075.137CF3@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6Fv-nB.A.RO.mRMxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:40:55 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, nick@12testing.net wrote: > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ. If that's not the kind of answer you're looking for, I'm partial to E-Bows. Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 21:47:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C5993BF70; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:47:14 -0600 Message-Id: <200708162147.l7GLlEqK031537@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: processors? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Alesis Bitrman. Ring mod, phaser, distortion and compression can decimate any sound put through it. It can make things sound musical or ungodly, often with only slight modification of the same setting. Out of production and on Ebay for anywhere between $100-$300 these days. Kevin > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, nick@12testing.net wrote: > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right > settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ. > > If that's not the kind of answer you're looking for, I'm partial to > E-Bows. > > Steve Burnett > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00B9B3BF58; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> Thread-Topic: oberheim echoplex for sale Thread-Index: AcfgNzDhvZMVOhQLQKuvvM3Ug7dDjgAGMtDw References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <4qlXaD.A.MPB.njMxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:00:07 +0000 (UTC) > "Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features=20 > someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody=20 > seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of such= a=20 > thing and considering making one. Does this person have some FINANCIAL=20 > INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this "CV" > and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally=20 > don't get it. I won't speak for this mysterious "CV" but please try to understand that there are people on this list with many years of experience actually building looping hardware and software, some of them over a decade. When someone comes along saying they're going to build the "ultimate looper" with "all the features" this is sort of like walking into the M.I.T physics department and claiming you're going to solve the cold fusion problem. =20 You seem like a nice guy with a low tolerance for sarcasm, so I'm trying my best to put this gently. If you can't describe the architecture and functions of the EDP, Repeater, and Looperlative, to= a reasonably thorough degree you really aren't in a position to toss out phrases like "ultimate" and "all the features" because you don't know what those mean. If you have never written a computer program in C or C++ of over 100,000 lines then some people are going to have difficulty taking you seriously because building a looper is more about the software than the hardware. I don't think anyone is trying to crush your dream, but we may be surprised and a little incredulous that someone else is crazy enough to dream it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:34:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F7B63BF3A; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08af01c7e055$958bfd50$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <46C4D060.26075.137CF3@nick.12testing.net> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) I've done a fair amount of research on tone mangling effects, before I went to max/msp and Reaktor. This is what I came up with... 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Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - Crazy Ivan http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug/VST 05:09 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:47 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html 06:10 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html 06:19 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html 06:33 - Reversinator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html 06:45 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html 06:54 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html 07:13 - fxpansion Ringmod 07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html 07:30 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:39 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:55 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html 08:05 - FX Jockey 08:11 - Glitchgirl 08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html 08:28 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html 08:46 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html 09:03 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html 09:14 - Univibe by Simulanalog 09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html 10:13 - Crazyator 10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html 10:30 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 10:42 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:29 - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html 13:56 - DeeLay 14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html 14:18 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html 14:25 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html 14:37 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html 15:00 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical 15:16 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird 16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX 16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005 16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2 16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor 17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown 17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: processors? > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 16 22:46:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A5DA3BF47; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:46:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c7e057$416ede70$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200708162147.l7GLlEqK031537@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcfgT8VEEHhlZ/TXQpGSUJqHtPMZVAABQwWw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:46:22 +0000 (UTC) These are all good ideas. Lot's of effects, volume/tone pedals all work wonders. When these are exhausted there's always the world of the synth. The more I use them the more I want my guitar to kind of sound like a guitar. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? Alesis Bitrman. Ring mod, phaser, distortion and compression can decimate any sound put through it. It can make things sound musical or ungodly, often with only slight modification of the same setting. Out of production and on Ebay for anywhere between $100-$300 these days. Kevin > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, nick@12testing.net wrote: > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right > settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ. > > If that's not the kind of answer you're looking for, I'm partial to > E-Bows. > > Steve Burnett > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 00:44:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73A133BF46; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:44:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c7e067$c3271440$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A40@keel.sailpoint.com> Thread-Index: AcfgQM65qjozGq5dRmKapknUZf+lCQAA8tcQAAi+OiA= Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Same for me except substitute "rant that offends all but three people on the planet" for #2 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > Isn't Moebius a free download or are you all jesting? You can pretty much assume that any message from me is either: 1) a joke 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in In this case it was 1. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 01:02:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EA083BF4B; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:04:07 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Well maybe if they are so secure in their knowledge and dominance of the topic they won't have to turn into you-know-what's and start mud slinging and have some understanding of a less experienced person in their niche'. Though I think I can safely say that in reality...it's more like ME being the office of one specialty area in MIT walking across the hall to another guy's specialty area and saying "Hey Jack, I was reading about some of your problems over here and I relate several aspects of my expertise to these..." I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was an editor for the Kawai K5. 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not necessary to go quite that far with it :-). I seem to recall that one being 80K of text or something like that. When I do pic chips I write in assembler so far. But anyway if I do it I'll have a vision of about what it will entail and do it. If someone tells me they are going to improve something I've done I tell them "go for it". I don't act like an asshole. -Bob Jeff Larson wrote: >>"Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features >>someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody >>seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of such a >>thing and considering making one. Does this person have some >> >> >FINANCIAL > > >>INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this "CV" >> >> > > > >>and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally >>don't get it. >> >> > >I won't speak for this mysterious "CV" but please try to understand >that there are people on this list with many years of experience >actually building looping hardware and software, some of them over a >decade. > >When someone comes along saying they're going to build the "ultimate >looper" with "all the features" this is sort of like walking into the >M.I.T physics department and claiming you're going to solve the cold >fusion problem. > >You seem like a nice guy with a low tolerance for sarcasm, so I'm >trying my best to put this gently. If you can't describe the >architecture and functions of the EDP, Repeater, and Looperlative, to a >reasonably thorough degree you really aren't in a position to toss out >phrases like "ultimate" and "all the features" because you don't know >what those mean. > >If you have never written a computer program in C or C++ of over 100,000 > >lines then some people are going to have difficulty taking you seriously >because building a looper is more about the software than the hardware. > >I don't think anyone is trying to crush your dream, but we may be >surprised and a little incredulous that someone else is crazy enough to >dream it. > >Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 02:53:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF35D3BF2B; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z2NH3s38wV0oY/nDRt9UywhKHucf1NC/pOq0M1OSukdJno+RvdUzjn+k0jN1MaCtCgNmUgZ7KnQipM4fEJQ/y4kyUmK4WwzgTVutD4tkksyIkHSdQeI4bhZICAr2Gy65+LyJHTDP4v8YWr8qdYEA6egqq4mAYSyp/1cVgQ+tj+Q=; X-YMail-OSG: .j_UaGkVM1lj97WNenHFjOs21kTXqu5_7kaF2qnDGHs.RSzk1GOKzvVUBHNtSpVS2D5piy9AcloIx.RNVkPVrUXbLCbZpDAORJLReuUHQ3DqaMSEWy7J4v2tJPTlOWo- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: processors? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <139467.76342.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0r97oD.A._QC.Q2QxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:53:04 +0000 (UTC) >> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >> need, but would like some new suonds. >Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right >settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ. That thing (the Pog) sounds like a chorus of wheezy gnats. Like a Hammond organ? Excuse me while I vomit and Jimmy Smith spins in his grave. -rabbi “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 03:50:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0F003BF34; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=sBFPXB+El/dOiBCSFyAVvx6/1DNAZGFgkIO/zwyuLu+G6oJtjMZjot2usJqb7XaU8/DUG4m4H/+OWML+xOc/TTpkEBi+thqc4hlMk/bKBORIMtYSuV7xhfxtdvkiPQubzk+EGdidnEsLmVMUHvR4SFc7FwSSC78Dj+E6oQYvvKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=oPAnG7zcB+zetzOWXOtiDtNcaiDdPllM+U30eKgJefKxDEM/o4RHaQXzlq6OHTMLNSxLgiFR4E/7BJPhAqeTPsIakEUHlXv8638xq89BpFaIpOm2lM7SYvc7Lht0bhIO5D0VvYns4foknQGcbB3dNNwBukHa5Rfq3w7gi+2F2V4= From: "Tony K" To: References: <9423EC51-DE86-4EBD-A648-88FD4FDBDDCE@gmail.com> <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: RE: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: <012d01c7e081$f9fe8b00$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> Thread-Index: AcfgSIZfBQbPcstIQJSFH1jRVQNSVwAAxfjAAA2FLJA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:50:10 +0000 (UTC) And me! Heck I read the MusicDSP and VST developers mailing lists. Don't understand most of it, but I read it. :) Tony -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise > > that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in Per, Krispen and me...hey, there must be at least one more? Rainer No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 03:55:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8129C3BF47; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=lR/IyNpbpa06amEPZSpHbVcbUCxWYqwXyQyZdEr6bahEh0Qm5WtQ7ruB4hCFfehPL7sd7uNG10SMIibeNtL9wzkpZI/lBpHtE8JExljIuWx0vMJbufMLJsrPEC8aHJBgK/uDGsBpD+3UEEKRc4Ngab40YoExGG0iWMO4YAav05Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=upfeZ7DrCaK8C3bdZ/nuZ4EuC89L7YdYjhyWpVy104REwJ0ry01mjfP9iblZAFWLKZPUEvSkejLRgYEZWOJ1FEDE+aw3hONLXTGWYrDvUpJFZMBTPUs+OQd76zLa8RZgFMAY6UTdbT70PYB/T9dBJQo3YaV4QY1gHtrX2IW4yL8= From: "Tony K" To: Subject: FW: processors? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfgTRoyC3ZBSYoyTcmyzpoareA9qAANL1WgAAAKvaA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:55:13 +0000 (UTC) All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. Tony -----Original Message----- From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: processors? What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I need, but would like some new suonds. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 03:57:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73FCD3BF4C; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y7aGd4Ia8kyAXu8akzWtO1u1xU8icwUhia3SmoPb26qKCONKpOggxGPgJQqCg4PX4jKKgYHbHX1XRNmDXgcFwh8qU355hrYDmN4LUnsE3XBIbYd/YYKQfsaF9PIKCXWbD5BujqF26ksihmE91ZrbTrjFR6/MDZz3QCWaWrEIUTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=amw6bDCvrAAt3MYzo8tzo+b4OqhnpjtlJau/QfUqjZTSWHayvMErQp+voQNwxEomJsKqMgmqI8+c4vhLVZ/f7d8ZnaKgYReXS0oSQj4jeyAt1bO5J1tJvRQRwW/tNpMtxBE3pnwFhOq4m9CqsfRoRU9RA8qy3gD1E43YdmcfQRU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:57:18 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... In-Reply-To: <012d01c7e081$f9fe8b00$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9423EC51-DE86-4EBD-A648-88FD4FDBDDCE@gmail.com> <000301c7e04b$bed61a60$1001a8c0@succubus> <012d01c7e081$f9fe8b00$0200a8c0@daw1> Resent-Message-ID: <5xwQdB.A.QuE.gyRxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:57:21 +0000 (UTC) I myself take comfort in knowing that Smart People Are Working On Things. On 8/16/07, Tony K wrote: > And me! Heck I read the MusicDSP and VST developers mailing lists. Don't > understand most of it, but I read it. :) > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... > > > > 2) an incredibly long winded boring technical treatise > > > that maybe 3 people on the planet are interested in > > Per, Krispen and me...hey, there must be at least one more? > > Rainer > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:28:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7980B3BF46; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:28:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:28:07 +0000 (UTC) > 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that > long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not > necessary to go quite that far with it :-). As an example, Mobius is a software looper that emulates some but not all of the EDP functions and is well over 100K lines of C++ and took 3 years to write and test. And it's still not finished :-) > But anyway if I do it I'll have a vision of about what it will entail > and do it. That's great. I'm sure you have ideas based on your experience that no other looper has implemented. If you build it I'm sure some people will love it. But unless you're prepared to implement all the features in every other looper you really can't call it the ultimate looper because for many it won't be. It is your choice of the words "ultimate" and "all the features people want" that is the source of the cynicism. CV by the way is one of the members of the Echoplex development team. I hope you pursue your project, new ideas are good. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:36:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F7D3BF57; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08f601c7e088$39a112e0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Demos and code of some of my max/msp patches Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:36:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08F3_01C7E055.EDF9C6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:36:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08F3_01C7E055.EDF9C6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally got around to posting the code, descriptions, and MP3 samples = of some of my favorite max/msp patches that I've built. Check em' out. http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm#patches Thick Space is my favorite, for you rich, ambient pad-like texture = lovers. Later, I''ll post some of my more fundamental patches, like Reverb, = Delay, etc. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_08F3_01C7E055.EDF9C6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I finally got around to posting the = code,=20 descriptions, and MP3 samples of some of my favorite max/msp patches = that I've=20 built. Check em' out.
 
http://www.krispe= nhartung.com/gear.htm#patches
 
Thick Space is my favorite, for you = rich, ambient=20 pad-like texture lovers.
 
Later, I''ll post some of my more = fundamental=20 patches, like Reverb, Delay, etc.
 
Kris
 
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------=_NextPart_000_08F3_01C7E055.EDF9C6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:40:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA073BF56; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b701c7e088$be542c70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: would you folks mind signing your posts? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:40:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I'm on the daily digest and because of the huge traffic of the impending loop festival I just don't have time to get to the website but , instead, read the daily digest. It only lists peoples e-mail addresses and not their names. Would you all mind signing your posts so the digest only people can know who is saying what? As an example, who is midifriedchicken? who is BreachinThePeace? thanks, ****************************************** Also, while we are at it...................I'm getting half a dozen daily digests a day because people are just hitting return on their replies to threads and including a lot of unnecessary extra quoted wordage in their replies. We've talked about this several times but the Daily Digest is intended to be able to save internet time for people who are time challenged but still want to participate. Please be kind and edit your return posts and only quote relevant passages in the threads you are writing. It makes rereading a thread much easier. respectfully yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 04:49:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 333F53BF64; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011f01c7e089$ff85f920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: AW: New "Virtual Repeater" Software Announced... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:49:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote this about the long winded post allegations Per, Krispen and me...hey, there must be at least one more? Rainer Jeez, I thought I might make it into that club. After everyone of my posts I go reread it for errors and sigh heavily because I realize it's another little tome. I try to read them all, however, unless it is about gear I don't own. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 06:53:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA143BF29; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:55:08 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. That's a chunk-o-code. However mobius being entirely software based...and...remember..I'm talking about something utilizing real hardware that takes the place of a lot of that code and just sits there doing it's thing without prompting in many cases :-). Anyway nice to know such considerate people are working for us. Maybe someone can teach him not to be so presumptuous and more personal. Maybe someone already did and *next* time our conversation will be more pleasant. :-) -Bob Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that > > long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not > > necessary to go quite that far with it :-). > > As an example, Mobius is a software looper that emulates some but not > all of the EDP functions and is well over 100K lines of C++ and took > 3 years to write and test. And it's still not finished :-) > > > But anyway if I do it I'll have a vision of about what it will entail > > and do it. > > That's great. I'm sure you have ideas based on your experience that no > other looper has implemented. If you build it I'm sure some people > will love it. But unless you're prepared to implement all the features > in every other looper you really can't call it the ultimate looper > because for many it won't be. It is your choice of the words > "ultimate" and "all the features people want" that is the source of > the cynicism. > > CV by the way is one of the members of the Echoplex development team. > > I hope you pursue your project, new ideas are good. > > Regards, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 07:33:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0E93BF6B; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 614275261-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.155.197 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoUAJPrxEZPQpvF/2dsb2JhbACCHgShFA Message-ID: <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:33:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7IfcS.A.N1D.I9UxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:33:28 +0000 (UTC) hmm, 2 questions 1) Jeff. Wouldn't most of that code be connected with the GUI and interfacing? 2) Bob. Wouldn't the easiest architecture be to have just A/D to DSP to D/A, and then have the controls all implemented in software? caveat: I'm not implying that I know the answers already ;-) andy butler( wow, you reckon as many as 3 read this?) Bob Weigel wrote: > Thanks. That's a chunk-o-code. However mobius being entirely software > based...and...remember..I'm talking about something utilizing real > hardware that takes the place of a lot of that code and just sits there > doing it's thing without prompting in many cases :-). > Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >> >> > 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that >> > long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not >> > necessary to go quite that far with it :-). >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 07:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6093BF74; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c7e07c$f7602bb0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <08af01c7e055$958bfd50$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcfgcyFs/aXoNmBRQTWawfzH/2lkVQACbh2w Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:37:26 +0000 (UTC) My god, is that your doctorial dissertation on audio effects = processors!? Impressive. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? I've done a fair amount of research on tone mangling effects, before I = went=20 to max/msp and Reaktor. This is what I came up with... TC Electrnoic FireworX Boss VF-1 Alesis Akira Lexicon LXP5 ..or if you want a lot of flexibility rather than a one trick pony or = "25=20 trick pony", get one of those Muse Receptors and load it with the following VSTs: Antares Filter Antares Kantos PSP42 PSP84 Toy Bear Monster Bag Cycling 74 Hipno Cycling 74 Pluggo ...ah, hell. Just check this out: The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, and URLs http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes = long!) Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file:=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the=20 minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network = http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay=20 http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - Crazy Ivan=20 http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug/VST 05:09 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:47 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html 06:10 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html 06:19 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html 06:33 - Reversinator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html 06:45 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html 06:54 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html 07:13 - fxpansion Ringmod 07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html 07:30 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:39 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:55 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html 08:05 - FX Jockey 08:11 - Glitchgirl 08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html 08:28 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html 08:46 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html 09:03 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html 09:14 - Univibe by Simulanalog 09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html 10:13 - Crazyator 10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html 10:30 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 10:42 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:29 - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html 13:56 - DeeLay 14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html 14:18 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html 14:25 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html 14:37 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html 15:00 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical 15:16 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird 16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX 16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005 16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2 16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor 17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown 17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: processors? > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 07:51:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A0A93BF6B; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lKuPSKFe5Aqf3RNVjBXGOApkctv/GwZtmiU980YGAIOQCya6MZXUYsqwn9jkMqa1; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F495303-F9D2-4DD2-AA38-88FDC15EBAD5@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:50:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79006dc260fea1ce1d36e5759bfaa484d2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.67.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:51:00 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Tony K wrote: > And any of the Roland VG boxes. You got that right. Here=92s a pure VG track; all guitar/all VG: http://www.veloopity.de/ct/mp3/ambitative2/ambitative2_03.mp3 dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 09:36:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B14A3BF6E; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C57AC9.8030706@imt.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:39:05 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Certainly all controls are implemented in software. I have to find my notebook .... but one of the things I was thinking of having were real VCA's with analog volume CV inputs so that my accompanying control i/f can smoothly track each volume from the single pedal as per our current implementation. So that part of the control at least I'd like to keep outside s/w. andy butler wrote: > hmm, 2 questions > > 1) Jeff. Wouldn't most of that code be connected with the GUI and > interfacing? > 2) Bob. Wouldn't the easiest architecture be to have just A/D to DSP > to D/A, and > then have the controls all implemented in software? > > caveat: I'm not implying that I know the answers already ;-) > > andy butler( wow, you reckon as many as 3 read this?) > > > Bob Weigel wrote: > >> Thanks. That's a chunk-o-code. However mobius being entirely >> software based...and...remember..I'm talking about something >> utilizing real hardware that takes the place of a lot of that code >> and just sits there doing it's thing without prompting in many cases >> :-). > > >> Jeffrey Larson wrote: >> >>> >>> > 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that >>> > long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not >>> > necessary to go quite that far with it :-). >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:16:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875993BF69; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZZp+tmJ67RcvU9Lp6eerYJvtawKY+y7k3D8+tPwyUD/vbXXeX1SKjpiuKfXGY08QJ8zQaNTLw1ZBVFvBo+Mmcpj4A5CBJxfMMBSb0J8gbTPH4Hy0yjkC+waFtJTbjWQESKrcr4VG0liKOkA4ctXi/AXzsWnQs2Aa62Oa9hHznBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AoLI/4xs+M4gSZEcucDN3ZGdnN/r38Q+ndIOmYzCqY1vtyNhiGVomN9eLjJDGwKUHxx8EW3Ep+D503dzAw9NZaHtNL0eRa+FKySLno3CBbmUAH1kAivql8lDBSTRt4OnXbMfsz24q4K+V6b9qhSNHuyt8x7p0Y5UBe1X9pUivic= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:16:47 -0400 From: "Richard Mechling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <139467.76342.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_95101_6357842.1187353007637" References: <139467.76342.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_95101_6357842.1187353007637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh wise Rabbi, Since last December I have been using an Eventide Eclipse and yes, it is extremely expensive, but the factory presets alone can make a mono signal from a guitar/bass or stereo from a synthe sound unlike anything you have ever heard ! Take the time to download the Owners Manual and print out the pages that describe the factory presets. Ever hear yourself play thru reverse pitch-shifters ? Hmm ? On 8/16/07, rabbirabbifive wrote: > > >> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > >> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > >> need, but would like some new suonds. > > >Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right > >settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ. > > That thing (the Pog) sounds like a chorus of wheezy gnats. Like a > Hammond organ? Excuse me while I vomit and Jimmy Smith spins in his > grave. > > -rabbi > > "I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn't see any of that. > They had a press conference and left. I'm looking up, fighting this > incredible battle, and they're doing press conferences and lying to the > people. They're telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all > bull." -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > ------=_Part_95101_6357842.1187353007637 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Oh wise Rabbi,
Since last December I have been using an Eventide Eclipse and yes, it is extremely expensive,  but the factory presets alone can make a mono signal from a guitar/bass or stereo from a synthe sound unlike anything you have ever heard !
Take the time to download the Owners Manual and print out the pages that describe the factory presets.
Ever hear yourself play thru reverse pitch-shifters ?  Hmm ?

 
On 8/16/07, rabbirabbifive <rabbirabbi5@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
>> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
>> need, but would like some new suonds.

>Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator pedal. With the right
>settings, a guitar sounds like a Hammond organ.

That thing (the Pog) sounds like a chorus of wheezy gnats.  Like a
Hammond organ?  Excuse me while I vomit and Jimmy Smith spins in his
grave.

-rabbi

"I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn't see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I'm looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they're doing press conferences and lying to the people. They're telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull."  -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans



____________________________________________________________________________________
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow


------=_Part_95101_6357842.1187353007637-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 12:35:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73E1C3BF74; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:35:12 EDT Subject: Re: would you folks mind signing your posts? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187354112" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:35:17 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187354112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize to everyone for the anonymity amongst respected colleagues. My name is Jeff Davis and the only name I have used per my experimental musical adventures over the last 10-12 years is DrXparaMental. Jeff ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187354112 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jeff



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-------------------------------1187354112-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:32:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFA73BF77; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fH3a49YP+OEojxny8R/XZgAMJCDFwKJi2jHrPF00Fgyj3ui+LlOnhKVd+syvnZktCAKjgvrgDwt/ldOHdAoi9FT1GlI+bKRTN40ItTYiykzzoqvBFiSwi7Z/mJueaYtHyeY2zp6gRZdzw6Q9FUP49v8drorLe7k227DlTpzHoMg=; X-YMail-OSG: xXQSKuwVM1ltgygss8ek.FifBXJBUh2ZKIqC39NMhn8bZVtv466w1depEfXpOa33FtL8lym_t.ERzUlrlLCsRNiCIK4YSU4c1TWpClbgwktLt2m6_LLIbiGNl6Q05w-- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew Harris Subject: Fripp live in late seventies trades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1385795395-1187357567=:14545" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <719319.14545.qm@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:32:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1385795395-1187357567=:14545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I'm looking to trade recordings of Fripp's Frippertronics tours from 1977 to 1983 with others interested. I don't know if this is frowned upon on this list, but I'm only looking for the stuff not commercially available. I have some great rarities myself. Thanks, -Matt matthusela@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-1385795395-1187357567=:14545 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,
 
I'm looking to trade recordings of Fripp's Frippertronics tours from 1977 to 1983 with others interested.  I don't know if this is frowned upon on this list, but I'm only looking for the stuff not commercially available.  I have some great rarities myself.
 
Thanks,
-Matt

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-1385795395-1187357567=:14545-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 13:56:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5263BF7E; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0szYSYXsckZbSIHCT0xQfO7ZYuhbStM/0xfNtfQJ1iUs4I92/JYHqhKt73eF5oXkpbWWvo+UBjREJtxoEjSa7p4uxxxuuvXUPgL/WaDSkWK6cHG6l0GcRYB7LleoR53yq3DJB5Y2OIjdz4psI2xWrv6JmVGnW46CUiekgHo2LUg=; X-YMail-OSG: qMJSS74VM1kQ5XtRfhUF8fGTMnO0tTORRKrVZIfqpVvjILiiWwbHI3pc8Z4uxWXLuD_Z70wJyjhNB5ypBzmOLDkhVRlQFyv04jUvArmty4W9tVuZnC32hsMXuc_46g-- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-484173131-1187359011=:65974" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <675124.65974.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-484173131-1187359011=:65974 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was an editor for the Kawai K5.) Ahhh...one of my all time favorites: K5. I still have one (K5M). Paul Bob Weigel wrote: Well maybe if they are so secure in their knowledge and dominance of the topic they won't have to turn into you-know-what's and start mud slinging and have some understanding of a less experienced person in their niche'. Though I think I can safely say that in reality...it's more like ME being the office of one specialty area in MIT walking across the hall to another guy's specialty area and saying "Hey Jack, I was reading about some of your problems over here and I relate several aspects of my expertise to these..." I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was an editor for the Kawai K5. 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not necessary to go quite that far with it :-). I seem to recall that one being 80K of text or something like that. When I do pic chips I write in assembler so far. But anyway if I do it I'll have a vision of about what it will entail and do it. If someone tells me they are going to improve something I've done I tell them "go for it". I don't act like an asshole. -Bob Jeff Larson wrote: >>"Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features >>someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody >>seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of such a >>thing and considering making one. Does this person have some >> >> >FINANCIAL > > >>INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this "CV" >> >> > > > >>and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally >>don't get it. >> >> > >I won't speak for this mysterious "CV" but please try to understand >that there are people on this list with many years of experience >actually building looping hardware and software, some of them over a >decade. > >When someone comes along saying they're going to build the "ultimate >looper" with "all the features" this is sort of like walking into the >M.I.T physics department and claiming you're going to solve the cold >fusion problem. > >You seem like a nice guy with a low tolerance for sarcasm, so I'm >trying my best to put this gently. If you can't describe the >architecture and functions of the EDP, Repeater, and Looperlative, to a >reasonably thorough degree you really aren't in a position to toss out >phrases like "ultimate" and "all the features" because you don't know >what those mean. > >If you have never written a computer program in C or C++ of over 100,000 > >lines then some people are going to have difficulty taking you seriously >because building a looper is more about the software than the hardware. > >I don't think anyone is trying to crush your dream, but we may be >surprised and a little incredulous that someone else is crazy enough to >dream it. > >Jeff > > > > --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --0-484173131-1187359011=:65974 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that.  One that was
an editor for the Kawai K5.)
 
Ahhh...one of my all time favorites: K5. I still have one (K5M).
 
Paul

Bob Weigel <sounddoctorin@imt.net> wrote:
Well maybe if they are so secure in their knowledge and dominance of the
topic they won't have to turn into you-know-what's and start mud
slinging and have some understanding of a less experienced person in
their niche'.

Though I think I can safely say that in reality...it's more like ME
being the office of one specialty area in MIT walking across the hall to
another guy's specialty area and saying "Hey Jack, I was reading about
some of your problems over here and I relate several aspects of my
expertise to these..."

I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was
an editor for the Kawai K5.

100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that
long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not
necessary to go quite that far with it :-). I seem to recall that one
being 80K of text or something like that.

When I do pic chips I write in assembler so far. But anyway if I do it
I'll have a vision of about what it will entail and do it. If someone
tells me they are going to improve something I've done I tell them "go
for it". I don't act like an asshole. -Bob

Jeff Larson wrote:

>>"Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features
>>someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody
>>seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of such a
>>thing and considering making one. Does this person have some
>>
>>
>FINANCIAL
>
>
>>INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this "CV"
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally
>>don't get it.
>>
>>
>
>I won't speak for this mysterious "CV" but please try to understand
>that there are people on this list with many years of experience
>actually building looping hardware and software, some of them over a
>decade.
>
>When someone comes along saying they're going to build the "ultimate
>looper" with "all the features" this is sort of like walking into the
>M.I.T physics department and claiming you're going to solve the cold
>fusion problem.
>
>You seem like a nice guy with a low tolerance for sarcasm, so I'm
>trying my best to put this gently. If you can't describe the
>architecture and functions of the EDP, Repeater, and Looperlative, to a
>reasonably thorough degree you really aren't in a position to toss out
>phrases like "ultimate" and "all the features" because you don't know
>what those mean.
>
>If you have never written a computer program in C or C++ of over 100,000
>
>lines then some people are going to have difficulty taking you seriously
>because building a looper is more about the software than the hardware.
>
>I don't think anyone is trying to crush your dream, but we may be
>surprised and a little incredulous that someone else is crazy enough to
>dream it.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>


Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --0-484173131-1187359011=:65974-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 14:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96413BF85; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <092a01c7e0da$553b23e0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000e01c7e07c$f7602bb0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:24:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:24:36 +0000 (UTC) I know. If I ever had to go back to hardware, I'm pretty sure I'd get the Muse Receptor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: processors? My god, is that your doctorial dissertation on audio effects processors!? Impressive. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? I've done a fair amount of research on tone mangling effects, before I went to max/msp and Reaktor. This is what I came up with... TC Electrnoic FireworX Boss VF-1 Alesis Akira Lexicon LXP5 ..or if you want a lot of flexibility rather than a one trick pony or "25 trick pony", get one of those Muse Receptors and load it with the following VSTs: Antares Filter Antares Kantos PSP42 PSP84 Toy Bear Monster Bag Cycling 74 Hipno Cycling 74 Pluggo ...ah, hell. Just check this out: The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, and URLs http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes long!) 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Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: processors? > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 14:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74553BF8A; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sounds of space Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Found this page from the YASMIN list last night, the samples sounded interesting to me. ############### http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMLAJWO4HD_index_0.html This page from the European Space Agency has vibrations from the atmosphere and beyond made audible ############### Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:24:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64EE3BF86; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Gibson Echoplex EDP PLUS for sale. Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:24:48 +0000 Message-Id: <081720071524.16279.46C5BDC00009715500003F972215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:24:50 +0000 (UTC) 4 months old. Perfect condish. Latest firmware (loop iv), Printed Manual, Original Box included. $695 shipped. Contact me at midifriedchicken@comcast.net. Paypal only. Thanks MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:36:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07043BF88; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: processors? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:36:14 -0700 References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: processors? > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:47:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5193BF60; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BPSTEUOoidi9WRJMCr2u6Pv1WQCreaQ9EGmwQB63a3xVrNr29q4zBd7gu+nklBrhzTPWm9d0MplxVCNn7xNu+3q1NMcVdkwGz1g8y4rBaeJzB4zJNkHbcWtPh8HTHOfiR8zcXQDrEKPMwb/721UyK0Elh2ygHhN127/q/ii7DJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lgm2WTioywhXOoarLJYzYnxMpdm0Sr2q7tIj//RdZSm3rNmBZj0vu/s3R6M4A8549m/TaywP4wM+mjOGf3WVvKPvMBzpZ0jBdtGOEU1fnY4oD74Q6TZ0Ip/hKwoaPPLN6e5nfctMcSIBitVyM/BsIuspxPCY1BYL9IEzK0Qsjro= Message-ID: <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52118_29188988.1187365653811" References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52118_29188988.1187365653811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: processors? > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > 8/16/2007 > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > 8/16/2007 > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > 8/16/2007 > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_52118_29188988.1187365653811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?

On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on
ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX boxes.  And any of the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like some new suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_52118_29188988.1187365653811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 15:50:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19C933BF6B; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:40:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #542 for August 16, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46C5C165.30403@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070816.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #542 August 16, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Kontinuum" on Synthetic Symphony Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Dave Brewer and Cottage #3 Okefenokee 2000 (Ricochet Free System Projekt Dream) Nattefrost Observing Motions Underneath the Nightsky (Groove) Orion's Belt The Presence The Truth Within (Imagineer) Tange Part 1 The Difference Between (Earth Mantra) Klaus Schulze Sequenzer (from 70 Kontinuum (Synthetic Symphony) to 07) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Euro Caravan Kontinuum (Synthetic Symphony) Klaus Schulze Thor (Thunder) Kontinuum (Synthetic Symphony) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Kontinuum" on Synthetic Symphony Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:27:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E9B43BF74; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.54.3.181] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:27:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2007 16:27:31.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[82ADE7C0:01C7E0EB] Resent-Message-ID: <907YrC.A.6cG.8xcxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:27:40 +0000 (UTC) hi there, what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? graham >From: "Matthew Johnson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: processors? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Matt H. Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:30:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54E03BF87; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D695@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: octave pitch shifting down? Thread-Index: Acfg64gf1uWJ1trAR6+8d5uEtu0lRAAACwiw From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:58 +0000 (UTC) I use a Danelectro Chili Dog. -----Original Message----- From: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca [mailto:graham.maureen@sympatico.ca]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: octave pitch shifting down? hi there, what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when=20 looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a=20 convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? graham >From: "Matthew Johnson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: processors? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been=20 >paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects=20 >processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on=20 > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth=20 > > effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for=20 > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:=20 > > > 8/16/2007 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:=20 > > > 8/16/2007 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:=20 > > > 8/16/2007 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Matt H. Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D967A3BF92; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <095a01c7e0ec$2859dcb0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:32:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) I scond that. I still have mine. That and the Boss RC-2 are my backup. I could do any gig with those two devices. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on ebay > it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > >> >> All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. >> >> Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: processors? >> >> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >> need, but would like some new suonds. >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> 8/16/2007 >> 9:48 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> 8/16/2007 >> 9:48 AM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> 8/16/2007 >> 9:48 AM >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:33:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E93323BF68; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2B42@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Topic: oberheim echoplex for sale Thread-Index: AcfgoOlG8xSG8aZQTB+4/3PMu0zpAgARbj1g References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <8OataB.A.25G.R3cxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) > 1) Jeff. Wouldn't most of that code be connected with the GUI and > interfacing? In all honesty I really don't know. I pulled 100K out of the air based on the time spent and experience with past projects but after a quick glance it is probably significantly less. I find writing real time audio software is much harder than the things I normally do so my usual code metrics don't apply. I'm curious now, I'll write a little code analyzer and post some statistics for the 3 of you that just won't be able to sleep tonight without knowing. :-) In general though, the UI is a big chunk but I don't think it is half. I'm going to guess closer to 25%. =20 The point I was trying to make was that if your first major software project is to duplicate every feature in just one of the=20 hardware loopers, let alone all of them, it could be, um, a challenge. And I don't think you can push much of it onto the circuitry,=20 you're going to have to write a *ton* of code somewhere. Other than writing CPU microcode two decades ago I have zero experience with hardware development, but I know that trying to=20 do this in assembly language would send me straight to the mental hospital. The fact that the EDP is written in assembler is an astounding achievement. IMHO Bob Amstadt has taken the best approach for this era,=20 running an embedded Linux and writing in C++. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:34:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4AC3BF8E; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:34:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0962_01C7E0BA.32FB3010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-gfn-B.A.oAH.a4cxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:34:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0962_01C7E0BA.32FB3010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. It's hard to compare to = any single effect floor pedal, unless maybe the older Boss floor multi = effect units that were its predecesors.=20 Check it out: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/VF-1/ Some might call it the poor man's Eventide. It's a powerful little red = box, packed full of lots of effects and multiple combinations. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Johnson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: processors? how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been = paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects = processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?=20 On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote:=20 Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth = effect=20 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes.=20 > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: processors? > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I = > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:=20 > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007=20 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM=20 > > --=20 Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_0962_01C7E0BA.32FB3010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The VF1 is a half rack space multi = effects box.=20 It's hard to compare to any single effect floor pedal, unless maybe = the=20 older Boss floor multi effect units that were its predecesors. =
 
Check it out: http://www.bosscorp.= co.jp/products/en/VF-1/
 
Some might call it the poor man's = Eventide. =20 It's a powerful little red box, packed full of lots of effects and = multiple=20 combinations.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthew=20 Johnson
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: Re: processors?

how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix = pedals? Ive=20 been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects = processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? =

On 8/17/07, Mark=20 Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>=20 wrote:=20
Oh=20 how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 = on
ebay it=20 has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect =

Sent=20 from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX = boxes.  And any of=20 the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> = Sent:=20 Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>=20 Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other = than=20 synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike = a=20 guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like = some new=20 suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> = 8/16/2007
>=20 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007 =
>=20 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> = 8/16/2007
> 9:48=20 AM
>
>




--=20
Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_0962_01C7E0BA.32FB3010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:35:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0EC3BF98; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <097001c7e0ec$9ce92fe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:35:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_096B_01C7E0BA.515EE1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:35:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_096B_01C7E0BA.515EE1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And did I say the guitar synth section on this box kicks ass? Many know = how much I used to use it in my prior performances and CDs. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Johnson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: processors? how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been = paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects = processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?=20 On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote:=20 Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth = effect=20 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes.=20 > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: processors? > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I = > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:=20 > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007=20 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM=20 > > --=20 Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_096B_01C7E0BA.515EE1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And did I say the guitar synth section = on this box=20 kicks ass? Many know how much I used to use it in my prior performances = and=20 CDs.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthew=20 Johnson
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: Re: processors?

how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix = pedals? Ive=20 been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects = processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? =

On 8/17/07, Mark=20 Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>=20 wrote:=20
Oh=20 how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 = on
ebay it=20 has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect =

Sent=20 from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX = boxes.  And any of=20 the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> = Sent:=20 Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>=20 Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other = than=20 synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike = a=20 guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like = some new=20 suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> = 8/16/2007
>=20 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007 =
>=20 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing=20 message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: = 7.5.484 /=20 Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> = 8/16/2007
> 9:48=20 AM
>
>




--=20
Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_096B_01C7E0BA.515EE1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 16:51:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C883BF72; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2B42@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2B42@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F2FA94C-15DA-475B-B0BB-6F24F25BBA21@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:51:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <65tEpC.A.M_H.VIdxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:51:34 +0000 (UTC) On 17.08.2007, at 18:33, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I'm curious now, I'll write a little code analyzer and post > some statistics for the 3 of you that just won't be able > to sleep tonight without knowing. :-) Ok, make that 4 please ;) Thanks Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:01:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6278C3BF6C; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:01:08 +0000 Message-Id: <081720071701.8179.46C5D454000B000E00001FF32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The adrenelinn III is very hip as well. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Matthew Johnson" > how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying > close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that > make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:37 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?

On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on
ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX boxes.  And any of the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like some new suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>




--
Matt H. Johnson --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8179_1187370068_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:02:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6752A3BF86; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:02:08 +0000 Message-Id: <081720071702.11871.46C5D490000B3DE100002E5F2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Eh Pog is the best Ive ever heard. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > > hi there, > > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when > looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a > convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? > > graham > > >From: "Matthew Johnson" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: processors? > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > > > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying > >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that > >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Matt H. Johnson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:07:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6F03BF3A; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DevTP6PF0AaGCF8KUbogXn9q/6C2J73fGNZclvmBM77IWxMO/MBk3GkYVXFLW7dV+dcizfjEXQA0JXQEm0vhFB0S8rLVQ3YEiFsDqFHgL5tl10IpzwEyUmU6GZgXV8ra7VqRkRe6f2cCkWu0vogDamisrOgqSvWghUAsDuUugfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L8qXorMGIMLU5yL1ES26toS6ANcy1UGyVqPVY+rcOBGPOFa0NPGckLn0s2QM3XT7ZdsaXn+jFop1Shk2SmKheY3R7N3wO5er5gSoSVHT7Akk3JJWpCHlVgc2w3hLSnZ6PHcytM0NxMxVLouES8p+CgeQMdS17mVjfs1ys3o2OR4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:07:17 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <081720071701.8179.46C5D454000B000E00001FF32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29092_16396928.1187370437238" References: <081720071701.8179.46C5D454000B000E00001FF32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29092_16396928.1187370437238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have an Adrenelinn and yeah, it's is quite hip. Unfortunately mine is currently making glitchy sounds. Not in a good way either. Tony On 8/17/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > The adrenelinn III is very hip as well. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Matthew Johnson" > > how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying > > close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors > that > > make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > > > On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matt H. Johnson > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Matthew Johnson" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:37 +0000 > Subject: Re: processors? > how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying > close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that > make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt H. Johnson > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_29092_16396928.1187370437238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have an Adrenelinn and yeah, it's is quite hip.  Unfortunately mine is currently making glitchy sounds.  Not in a good way either.

Tony

On 8/17/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
The adrenelinn III is very hip as well.


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Matthew Johnson" < matthjohnson@gmail.com>
> how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying
> close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that
> make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?
>
> On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote:
> >
> > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on
> > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes.  And any of the Roland VG boxes.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > > Subject: processors?
> > >
> > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
> > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> > > need, but would like some new suonds.
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> > > 8/16/2007
> > > 9:48 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> > > 8/16/2007
> > > 9:48 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> > > 8/16/2007
> > > 9:48 AM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matt H. Johnson




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Matthew Johnson" <matthjohnson@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:47:37 +0000
Subject: Re: processors?
how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?

On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote:
Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on
ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX boxes.  And any of the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto: nick@12testing.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like some new suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>




--
Matt H. Johnson



--
-==-=-=-
Tony ------=_Part_29092_16396928.1187370437238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:08:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69C73BF39; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708171708.l7HH8NmS026997@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com> From: "list2" To: Subject: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:06:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: Acfg7P6iKBpLKf1zSfq1/m/6qo1ICwAA68cw In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Check out the Foxrox Octron http://www.foxroxelectronics.com/ hoby -----Original Message----- From: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca [mailto:graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: octave pitch shifting down? hi there, what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? graham >From: "Matthew Johnson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: processors? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Matt H. Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:18:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9CD23BF68; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:13:31 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: processors? To: Krispen Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005d01c7e0f2$ba276580$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sVmso3IA2ZklVcM4Jpf5dQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:18:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sVmso3IA2ZklVcM4Jpf5dQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT +1 on the VF 1. Very similar to the Boss GT series of pedalboard FX units, which I am addicted to. You m,ust actuallt work to get into the sounds available, but a wide range of qulity effects IN ANY ORDER AT ALL can rock your world if you take the time to explore. The ring modulator alone is worth the (low) price. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Re: processors? The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. It's hard to compare to any single effect floor pedal, unless maybe the older Boss floor multi effect units that were its predecesors. Check it out: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/VF-1/ Some might call it the poor man's Eventide. It's a powerful little red box, packed full of lots of effects and multiple combinations. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Johnson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: processors? how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: processors? > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > 8/16/2007 > 9:48 AM > > -- Matt H. Johnson --Boundary_(ID_sVmso3IA2ZklVcM4Jpf5dQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
+1 on the VF 1. Very similar to the Boss GT series of pedalboard FX units, which I am addicted to. You m,ust actuallt work to get into the sounds available, but a wide range of qulity effects IN ANY ORDER AT ALL can rock your world if you take the time to explore. The ring modulator alone is worth the (low) price.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."        
- Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: processors?

The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. It's hard to compare to any single effect floor pedal, unless maybe the older Boss floor multi effect units that were its predecesors.
 
 
Some might call it the poor man's Eventide.  It's a powerful little red box, packed full of lots of effects and multiple combinations.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: processors?

how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1?

On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on
ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> All the Alesis ModFX boxes.  And any of the Roland VG boxes.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: processors?
>
> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for
> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I
> need, but would like some new suonds.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date:
> 8/16/2007
> 9:48 AM
>
>




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--Boundary_(ID_sVmso3IA2ZklVcM4Jpf5dQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:20:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6452F3BF69; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:20:03 EDT Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c90.135e0cd0.33f732c3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <22VisB.A.f6B.RjdxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c90.135e0cd0.33f732c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not a pedal really.....alesis ineko does this and a whole bunch more.....yo rick! this is alfredo la rue if ya got's ta no www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_c90.135e0cd0.33f732c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not a pedal really.....alesis ineko doe= s this and a whole bunch more.....yo rick! this is alfredo la rue if ya got'= s ta no



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X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:09 +0000 (UTC) > +1 on the VF 1. Very similar to the Boss GT series of pedalboard FX units, which I am addicted to. You m,ust actuallt work to get into the sounds available, but a wide range of qulity effects IN ANY ORDER AT ALL can rock your world if you take the time to explore. The ring modulator alone is worth the (low) price. Unfortunately the VF-1 does NOT allow you place the effects in any order at all. There are a bunch of locked algorithms and a few that allow you to move MOST of the effects. And my second biggest complain about the box (though I do really like it overall) is that many of the effects are stored in groups and you can only have one effect from that group at any given time. So no Pitch shifting AND ring modulation for instance. Or no slow gear with tremolo and so on. I much prefer the Old(?) digitech model where you could place ANY effect in the chain as many times as memory permitted (you could line up eight stereo pitch shifting modules in a row if you wanted). I still love the VF-1 though, especially being able to map up to four parameters to a single continuous controller. Kevin I wish the VF-1 allowed a little more flexibility in -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:57:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65603BF4F; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lnbU+xvGlortjNJF5HUPrMRiyt5l7rUP+9p7wlgvNQr5tGMg+n9/QhYpj/ujI3Gw; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: , Subject: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:59:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: Acfg8M++4qbdOQu9T7mBNtB0HCkMfQABvvFQ Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc0bf685ecc19633bcee4fc81b8c9ab06b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.246.170 Resent-Message-ID: <6pHrxC.A.OqD.MGexGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Hello... I like my Boss OC-2 and in my rack I have a Lexicon MPX110 with a Pitch/Detune setting that delivers a nice bass... Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 17:58:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EC2D3BF54; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36FC34F3-C537-483B-AFB0-2AA032706E15@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:58:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-Jvx_C.A.ixD.IHexGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:32 +0000 (UTC) I love the Boss OC-2 Octave. http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=21 I like mixing the original sound with the signal transposed 1 octave down. The original signal adds dirt/realism to the octaved sound which by itself seems synthetic, like a sine or square wave. Of course the pure octaved sound has its appeal, too... All these settings can be configured on the pedal itself without the need for a separate mixer. Bernhard On 17.08.2007, at 18:27, wrote: > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my > guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the > octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when > playing guitar? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:04:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C1B3BF6E; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GcURrLYd0WhblpxE8d6uhsoscT9fY89aanEn8KeAQ3ZVWt0tmLEPo7VWGLzEJiPKb5IGHV0QZjDm+hzF/f0F2U1hANIxSXdEFlOu7cmgU3QLkmne3TBLHRL8SqKMU0g8Y61B/ode2l6BrYbVAo1WxCYPtwdkgQiZYSJSqMFTWuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R03OD4sj9Qt4SlcUg20vyaFt9V6ZYoA5gmcqf0eM/sEJTdENnGSUVuhYiMwd2TfMkYkoZYcqWN5JGxkcDdxbhGbFR3zvSBYROz5LvGAoegCwpK6IaxhixK8wC0cSvC+R5oFJjIOdZFO93sk6AtN6TOCy3oT5tLHwgm5tlw25NNM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:04:32 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? In-Reply-To: <36FC34F3-C537-483B-AFB0-2AA032706E15@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29288_24691496.1187373872691" References: <36FC34F3-C537-483B-AFB0-2AA032706E15@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:04:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29288_24691496.1187373872691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The EH Bass Microsynth makes nice bass noises, but they are not exactly realistic 'bass' guitar sounds if that's what you are looking for. Tony On 8/17/07, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > > I love the Boss OC-2 Octave. > http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=21 > > I like mixing the original sound with the signal transposed 1 octave > down. The original signal adds dirt/realism to the octaved sound > which by itself seems synthetic, like a sine or square wave. > Of course the pure octaved sound has its appeal, too... > All these settings can be configured on the pedal itself without the > need for a separate mixer. > > Bernhard > > On 17.08.2007, at 18:27, > wrote: > > > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my > > guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the > > octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when > > playing guitar? > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_29288_24691496.1187373872691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The EH Bass Microsynth makes nice bass noises, but they are not exactly realistic 'bass' guitar sounds if that's what you are looking for.

Tony


On 8/17/07, Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net> wrote:

I love the Boss OC-2 Octave.
http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=21

I like mixing the original sound with the signal transposed 1 octave
down. The original signal adds dirt/realism to the octaved sound
which by itself seems synthetic, like a sine or square wave.
Of course the pure octaved sound has its appeal, too...
All these settings can be configured on the pedal itself without the
need for a separate mixer.

Bernhard

On 17.08.2007, at 18:27, <graham.maureen@sympatico.ca>
<graham.maureen@sympatico.ca > wrote:

> what pedals would people here recommend  to do bass sounds on my
> guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the
> octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when
> playing guitar?




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Tony ------=_Part_29288_24691496.1187373872691-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:07:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EDC73BF6F; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=czOmKQ6Ue4hvbpeBasjqm6+PvujtVe9JCyC8QyIpoUjhZPm+WRz5/2Nk5LDrBfVhmR1Hehr2q4EqGBwDuGuho6DiZPAr248+1D8OACsefeo7Fk6H3O68xAM2SbgYxO+jxM9TmelXcpeJKBti8sAq9u0/rddEZcco5fVD90Xfx+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LB++XZry6sXAGOfmEqygKnD+erDpy/em1CxmRivqUtzFyxXHrPUc8HTmg3tkLrgc1w6dAGwJegKzvnNzER1l3RNMXTc26SwVDumCEAepiLMkt2y9t2D5twU8w2llTefNGjnkwd/4XXRpkPOvD3aQqiI0hkX7pCIzEKaYsnDXz6o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:07:10 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <36FC34F3-C537-483B-AFB0-2AA032706E15@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Guyatone has a new octave divider in the micro series. I have liked those pedals quite well -- the little delay is the best sounding little delay I've come across, and the nasty fuzz is especially nasty. Kelly -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:07:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70E243BF76; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070817130751.i46iyhnz4gog8sgg@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:07:51 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <081420072042.3736.46C213A8000CC73300000E982206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <46C35861.4070808@imt.net> <46C371C6.8030704@imt.net> <001a01c7dfce$a288f490$4001a8c0@mini> <46C4014F.2040201@imt.net> <007701c7dfd9$3e93a830$4001a8c0@mini> <46C42E6B.6010801@imt.net> <46C4AC71.2000909@imt.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2A6F@keel.sailpoint.com> <46C50217.9060805@imt.net> <1B8600FA-0A99-4B2B-BF52-D15FBFD8CCF9@zonemobius.com> <46C5545C.9020909@imt.net> <46C54F4B.8070205@tiscali.co.uk> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2B42@keel.sailpoint.com> <1F2FA94C-15DA-475B-B0BB-6F24F25BBA21@bernhardwagner.net> In-Reply-To: <1F2FA94C-15DA-475B-B0BB-6F24F25BBA21@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Bernhard Wagner LD : > > On 17.08.2007, at 18:33, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> I'm curious now, I'll write a little code analyzer and post >> some statistics for the 3 of you that just won't be able >> to sleep tonight without knowing. :-) > > Ok, make that 4 please ;) > > Thanks > Bernhard Ok, make that 5 :) While I wouldn't even attempt to create a real-time application such as live looping software, to learn about the software from the experts will enable me to better understand, troubleshoot, and utilize my equipment. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:09:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55BEE3BF76; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070817140906.HHX3Y.21864.root@fepweb13> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:09:06 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Cc: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Natch, being Mr. Overkill in the FX department . . . I have no less than 3 = (perhaps even more) ways at any given time to get a decent bass sound from = my rig. 1). There's a quite respectable downward prtch shifting (up to 2 octaves do= wnward) on my old pink ART SGX 2000 that I control like a wammy pedal with = an EV-5. 2). A pair of old Boss RPS-10s (half rack pitch shifter delays that I most= ly use for backwards guitar) but they do a okay (if a little dark and wobbl= y) job. 3). The "fretless bass" patch on my Roland guitar synth (this is actually t= he best). It also helps to have (as Rick Walker has sometimes described it) quite a b= it of "cone-age" . . . four 1x12 Seymour Duncan "Convertible" Cabs . . . al= so an Aphex Aural Exciter Type C with "Big Bottom" to make 'em bark.=20 It doesn't make much sense to generate those techtonic plate-shifting tones= if the speakers won't reproduce them does it? Although I complain quite a bit about all the gear I have to haul around as= a 50+ "old guy" on this list I guess no one should feel too sorry for me w= ith all the excess FX baggage I tote everywhere. All the more reason to go "lappy" I guess. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- graham.maureen@sympatico.ca wrote:=20 >=20 > hi there, >=20 > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar w= hen=20 > looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d = a=20 > convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? >=20 > graham >=20 > >From: "Matthew Johnson" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: processors? > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > > > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been paying > >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors th= at > >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effec= t > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Matt H. Johnson >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6AC3BF79; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aChVD8J0cB0I3cKdpHuEwMq90Zm8NMf9RB+/AuxFtHda3EVWyeWz4rgXpSRpUGwgoXYvOvUP+dD6N4GI3QtWwmZNA+59ImDcVhqerjs89eVcR9HRx3t2lLw6U/OeYj8A31r1bTM6CUX6asEprGRNRG+JWR4pov9HnxQcNUUsxoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yc/19AbMhL4VMmu2rJ68z/KaJA3G0oIePZWh4xf3oKiSQoHocPPNosBqLaRHrFIZImU0OB9GZgNy3WM/iYWm53f3SvAcUNacvopRDwFE8UsFfVGlV6LM1pA2S/APx+JInumXS4rv791fpFOqz4pIzKNh5y0ldvKcckTUNtakRYY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:12:04 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <41PjFC.A.bjE.2TexGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:12:06 +0000 (UTC) > The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. Is it a newer version of the SE-70 then? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:15:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68AD43BF6C; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09b701c7e0fa$8a97f9d0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:15:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I believe so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: processors? >> The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. > > Is it a newer version of the SE-70 then? > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79AC43BF77; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817112422.02dba3e8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:27:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: processors? In-Reply-To: <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55C25F49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Mark, out of curiosity, can the VF-1 do midi controlled pitch shifts? I.E. Can the intervals be controlled in real time?... I've looked through the manual and it seemed not, but I thought you may have mentioned in another post that it did?... yes?... Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!... Smiles, CQ :) At 08:36 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on >ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > >> >>All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. >> >>Tony >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: processors? >> >>What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >>making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >>need, but would like some new suonds. >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:31:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0E0C3BF4F; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:30:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c7e0fc$c3108a50$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <092a01c7e0da$553b23e0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg4xD0kkJNgeXiRiuw0alAE+z4KAAGLxYg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Really? I looked at that... never seemed to quite make sense to me with it's limitations. I always thought if I had the chance to do it all again with a bigger budget I'd go for one of these: http://www.openlabs.com/ Mark -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? I know. If I ever had to go back to hardware, I'm pretty sure I'd get the Muse Receptor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: RE: processors? My god, is that your doctorial dissertation on audio effects processors!? Impressive. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? I've done a fair amount of research on tone mangling effects, before I went to max/msp and Reaktor. This is what I came up with... TC Electrnoic FireworX Boss VF-1 Alesis Akira Lexicon LXP5 ..or if you want a lot of flexibility rather than a one trick pony or "25 trick pony", get one of those Muse Receptors and load it with the following VSTs: Antares Filter Antares Kantos PSP42 PSP84 Toy Bear Monster Bag Cycling 74 Hipno Cycling 74 Pluggo ...ah, hell. Just check this out: The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, and URLs http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes long!) Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - Crazy Ivan http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug/VST 05:09 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:47 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html 06:10 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html 06:19 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html 06:33 - Reversinator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html 06:45 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html 06:54 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html 07:13 - fxpansion Ringmod 07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html 07:30 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:39 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:55 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html 08:05 - FX Jockey 08:11 - Glitchgirl 08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html 08:28 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html 08:46 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html 09:03 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html 09:14 - Univibe by Simulanalog 09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html 10:13 - Crazyator 10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html 10:30 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 10:42 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:29 - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html 13:56 - DeeLay 14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html 14:18 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html 14:25 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html 14:37 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html 15:00 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical 15:16 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird 16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX 16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005 16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2 16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor 17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown 17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: processors? > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > need, but would like some new suonds. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:34:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4863A3BF80; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c7e0fd$46d413c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg66j2zLahx76oT5K0kNmRYADfHAAEYXKw Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) I always thought the hardware Repeater's pitch shifting was really nice = and you could midi control it to be any interval you wanted. -----Original Message----- From: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca [mailto:graham.maureen@sympatico.ca]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: octave pitch shifting down? hi there, what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar = when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d = a=20 convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? graham >From: "Matthew Johnson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: processors? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been = paying >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors = that >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth = effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Matt H. Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:36:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92F013BF8A; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAH+GxUZKgAATd2dsb2JhbACBU2E3ijV3AQoEBRARBQ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:36:11 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: RE: octave pitch shifting down? In-reply-to: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D695@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g6MM2kCxqLsaHd5/wTaEFw)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D695@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <_zmNpD.A.rAG.cqexGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:36:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_g6MM2kCxqLsaHd5/wTaEFw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline > I use a Danelectro Chili Dog. Me too. Great little pedal, costs almost nothing. I run it through a SansAmp Bassdriver DI to beef it up: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Sometimes it bounces up an octave, but this is greatly reduced if you use the neck pickup and play with your fingers. The whole reason I have this strange Copeland pickup in the neck position instead of a Roland-type synth pickup at the bridge is so the Chili Dog will work better. One certain note (F at third fret on D string) always bounces an octave on my guitar, but it bounces in a graceful way that is not at all annoying. I dunno what they are doing with the circuit...it's not a simple octave divider that outputs a square-wave type signal, like most of these pedals. Somehow, differences in timbre on the guitar come out through the pedal. And its dynamic response is really nice. I have a VG-8 processor which cost me, lessee, $1200/40 = 30 times as much as the Chili Dog, and I like the Chili Dog better for bass! Mainly because there is no tracking delay and it doesn't sound all warbly on the attack. The pitch shifter on the VG-8 introduces a little bit of delay. One time I played an Electro-Harmonix Microsynth reissue pedal, and the octave divider on that seemed very similar to the Chili Dog. Maybe Danelectro ripped off their circuit. Anyway, try one out, you can't beat the price! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_g6MM2kCxqLsaHd5/wTaEFw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
> I use a Danelectro Chili Dog.
Me too. Great little pedal, costs almost nothing. I run it through a SansAmp Bassdriver DI to beef it up:
 
 
Sometimes it bounces up an octave, but this is greatly reduced if you use the neck pickup and play with your fingers. The whole reason I have this strange Copeland pickup in the neck position instead of a Roland-type synth pickup at the bridge is so the Chili Dog will work better. One certain note (F at third fret on D string) always bounces an octave on my guitar, but it bounces in a graceful way that is not at all annoying. I dunno what they are doing with the circuit...it's not a simple octave divider that outputs a square-wave type signal, like most of these pedals. Somehow, differences in timbre on the guitar come out through the pedal. And its dynamic response is really nice.
 
I have a VG-8 processor which cost me, lessee, $1200/40 = 30 times as much as the Chili Dog, and I like the Chili Dog better for bass! Mainly because there is no tracking delay and it doesn't sound all warbly on the attack. The pitch shifter on the VG-8 introduces a little bit of delay.
 
One time I played an Electro-Harmonix Microsynth reissue pedal, and the octave divider on that seemed very similar to the Chili Dog. Maybe Danelectro ripped off their circuit.
 
Anyway, try one out, you can't beat the price!
 
Mark Smart
--Boundary_(ID_g6MM2kCxqLsaHd5/wTaEFw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2644C3BF44; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:38:32 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c7e0fd$d3694df0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <081720071701.8179.46C5D454000B000E00001FF32212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg8DnP2G20sgkDQEW7k1ZU13dCqAADXuGA Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I was in love with v1 even though I thought it's amp models = sucked. Really interesting little processor. -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? The adrenelinn III is very hip as well.=20 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Matthew Johnson" > how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been = paying > close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors = that > make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? >=20 > On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth = effect > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > 8/16/2007 > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt H. Johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:43:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADCE43BF8D; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c7e0fe$865fd190$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200708171731.l7HHV8xS028362@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg9HE/QtE7/rRDRUuS62QMuRF+IgACbs3g Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Well, if you're looking for a step up with flexibility you can find a Lexicon MPX1 used for around $400 and that will let you route to your = hearts delight.... I still think the VF1 does some stuff (like the synth) = better though. I am a fan of that Lexicon aerosol patch though. Hook that up = to some real time cc's and much mangling can be had. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? > +1 on the VF 1. Very similar to the Boss GT series of pedalboard FX units, which I am addicted to. You m,ust actuallt work to get into the sounds available, but a wide range of qulity effects IN ANY ORDER AT ALL can rock your world if you take the time to explore. The ring modulator alone is worth the (low) price. Unfortunately the VF-1 does NOT allow you place the effects in any order at all. There are a bunch of locked algorithms and a few that allow you to move MOST of the effects. And my second biggest complain about the box (though I do really like it overall) is that many of the effects are stored in groups and you can only have one effect from that group at any given time. So no Pitch shifting AND ring modulation for instance. Or no slow gear with tremolo and so on. I much prefer the Old(?) digitech model where you could place ANY effect in the chain as many times as memory permitted (you could line up eight stereo pitch shifting modules in a row if you wanted). =20 I still love the VF-1 though, especially being able to map up to four parameters to a single continuous controller. Kevin I wish the VF-1 allowed a little more flexibility in=20 --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:47:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635C83BF6E; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c7e0ff$16733600$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <20070817140906.HHX3Y.21864.root@fepweb13> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg+bWBUENm2mjIQ1WUcR3L9V2VWgABQXBg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Ah the SGX2000! That was my first rack processor. The combination of = pink and gray "paint swoosh" silk screening and the ability to use it's controller to control pitch, delay and feedback all at the same time = (dual pedals, you had to be seated) made for some monster sonic fun. I can't = even remember if it was really good though... -----Original Message----- From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Hi there, Natch, being Mr. Overkill in the FX department . . . I have no less than = 3 (perhaps even more) ways at any given time to get a decent bass sound = from my rig. 1). There's a quite respectable downward prtch shifting (up to 2 octaves downward) on my old pink ART SGX 2000 that I control like a wammy pedal = with an EV-5. 2). A pair of old Boss RPS-10s (half rack pitch shifter delays that I mostly use for backwards guitar) but they do a okay (if a little dark = and wobbly) job. 3). The "fretless bass" patch on my Roland guitar synth (this is = actually the best). It also helps to have (as Rick Walker has sometimes described it) quite = a bit of "cone-age" . . . four 1x12 Seymour Duncan "Convertible" Cabs . . = . also an Aphex Aural Exciter Type C with "Big Bottom" to make 'em bark.=20 It doesn't make much sense to generate those techtonic plate-shifting = tones if the speakers won't reproduce them does it? Although I complain quite a bit about all the gear I have to haul around = as a 50+ "old guy" on this list I guess no one should feel too sorry for me with all the excess FX baggage I tote everywhere. All the more reason to go "lappy" I guess. Cheers, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 63780 76=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121 197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- graham.maureen@sympatico.ca wrote:=20 >=20 > hi there, >=20 > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my = guitar when=20 > looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to = d a > convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? >=20 > graham >=20 > >From: "Matthew Johnson" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: processors? > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:47:33 -0400 > > > >how does the VF1 compare to the electro harmonix pedals? Ive been = paying > >close attention to the on going conversation about effects processors that > >make a guitar sound unguitar. Anyone use the VF1? > > > >On 8/17/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > > Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > > > ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth = effect > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: processors? > > > > > > > > What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best = for > > > > making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience = I > > > > need, but would like some new suonds. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > > > > 8/16/2007 > > > > 9:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Matt H. Johnson >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:52:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422783BF99; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c7e0ff$b2796150$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817112422.02dba3e8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfg+/46patLNg6xT1ypp+q5m7bMswAAzxXQ Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:52:08 +0000 (UTC) I don't... I bet you could though. I have to say that I have yet to = really exploit that little box. I once spent some frustrating time trying to = get a Roland expression pedal to control perimeters and I couldn't get it to change a thing. I've got so much going on though that I just kind of = moved on. Life's to short to wrangle gear/software for too long. My wife = always jokes, "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure = all your gear?" Mark -----Original Message----- From: Cara Quinn [mailto:CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? Mark, out of curiosity, can the VF-1 do midi controlled pitch=20 shifts? I.E. Can the intervals be controlled in real time?... I've looked through the manual and it seemed not, but I thought you may=20 have mentioned in another post that it did?... yes?... Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!... Smiles, CQ :) At 08:36 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on >ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > >> >>All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. >> >>Tony >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: processors? >> >>What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >>making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >>need, but would like some new suonds. >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>8/16/2007 >>9:48 AM >> > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database:=20 >269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each=20 other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: = 8/14/2007 5:19 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9E53BF8F; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:53:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d3b37eb945e928bfe5508bc363aac02b3b382587d4f18d13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Graham, A "harmonizer" type of pitch transposer will allow you to retain the basic timber and texture of the guitar sound. A wammy pedal is an example of a good inexpensive choice here. The disadvantage is that the process has latency. An "Octave Divider" will generate a filtered squarwave output. Rather synth-like and not 'bass guitar' like. The Electro Harmonix 'Octave multiplexer" and the Boss OC-2 are good. The disadvantage is that the effect is monophonic (that is to say only a single note at a time can be processed - no polyphony) A third option is to use a looper that allows you to record in varispeed. The Electro Harmonix 16 second delay and the 2880 allow realtime octave jumps. This produces the most realistic effect. THe disadvantage is that your backing loop will playback in double time while you overdub the "bass" part. More sophisticated loopers like the looperlative LP-1 and the software based "Sooper Looper" allow playback to happen at 1/2 speed without affecting the other tracks. -Chuck Zwicky >hi there, > >what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my >guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the >octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when >playing guitar? > >graham -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 18:55:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B78F3BFA7; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:55:06 -0600 Message-Id: <200708171855.l7HIt6We024870@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: processors? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all > your gear?" What a silly question, of course you're going to reconfigure your gear. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:03:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BEC53BF67; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e601c7e101$42c76850$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <5.2.1.1.0.20070817112422.02dba3e8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:03:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3yuOB.A.boH.zDfxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:15 +0000 (UTC) You can do it. I just checked. When you assign your effect parameters to a controller, you can change the source, including expression pedal, cnt 1, cnt2, and several MIDI channels (four I think). I can assign multiple paramater changes to the same conroller pedal too, such as pitch and ring mod freq on one, and delay time and chorus rate on the other, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: processors? > Mark, out of curiosity, can the VF-1 do midi controlled pitch shifts? > I.E. Can the intervals be controlled in real time?... > > I've looked through the manual and it seemed not, but I thought you may > have mentioned in another post that it did?... yes?... > > Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!... > > Smiles, > > CQ :) > > At 08:36 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >>Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on >>ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: >> >>> >>>All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >>>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: processors? >>> >>>What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >>>making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >>>need, but would like some new suonds. >>> >>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>>8/16/2007 >>>9:48 AM >>> >>> >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>>8/16/2007 >>>9:48 AM >>> >>> >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >>>8/16/2007 >>>9:48 AM >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >>269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM > > --- > View my on-line portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each > ther. -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4538A3BFA4; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200708171855.l7HIt6We024870@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfhACkms7Oqh4OJQMKHkCh4hzZf4wAAFxOg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) I WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL MY STUDIO LOOKS LIKE THIS! http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Agency/5509/img/nebpic8findb212tank.jpg Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: processors? "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all > your gear?" What a silly question, of course you're going to reconfigure your gear. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 19:54:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF333BF68; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E108.7917A218" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D699@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: octave pitch shifting down? Thread-Index: Acfg/XzZMgh8mURqSn27Vphn306/PgACXwSg From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E108.7917A218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah. I like the Dog better than the Boss OC and it costs less than half the price. But really I guess it's what you are trying to do. I run everything pretty much real time on stage with just an acoustic guitar, some pedals, and a Boss RC-20XL. =20 You can hear the Dog in use at =20 http://www.myspace.com/jimmybaileyandthearistocrats =20 on the Like Me and Heartbreak tracks. =20 KOKO -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: octave pitch shifting down? =09 =09 > I use a Danelectro Chili Dog. =09 Me too. Great little pedal, costs almost nothing. I run it through a SansAmp Bassdriver DI to beef it up: =20 =09 http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html =20 Sometimes it bounces up an octave, but this is greatly reduced if you use the neck pickup and play with your fingers. The whole reason I have this strange Copeland pickup in the neck position instead of a Roland-type synth pickup at the bridge is so the Chili Dog will work better. One certain note (F at third fret on D string) always bounces an octave on my guitar, but it bounces in a graceful way that is not at all annoying. I dunno what they are doing with the circuit...it's not a simple octave divider that outputs a square-wave type signal, like most of these pedals. Somehow, differences in timbre on the guitar come out through the pedal. And its dynamic response is really nice. =20 I have a VG-8 processor which cost me, lessee, $1200/40 =3D 30 times as much as the Chili Dog, and I like the Chili Dog better for bass! Mainly because there is no tracking delay and it doesn't sound all warbly on the attack. The pitch shifter on the VG-8 introduces a little bit of delay.=20 =20 One time I played an Electro-Harmonix Microsynth reissue pedal, and the octave divider on that seemed very similar to the Chili Dog. Maybe Danelectro ripped off their circuit. =20 Anyway, try one out, you can't beat the price! =20 Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E108.7917A218 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yeah.  I like the Dog better than the Boss OC and it costs = less than=20 half the price.  But really I guess it's what you are trying to = do.  I=20 run everything pretty much real time on stage with just an acoustic = guitar, some=20 pedals, and a Boss RC-20XL.
 
You=20 can hear the Dog in use at
 
http://www.m= yspace.com/jimmybaileyandthearistocrats
 
on the=20 Like Me and Heartbreak tracks.
 
KOKO
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com]
Sent: = Friday,=20 August 17, 2007 1:36 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: RE: octave = pitch=20 shifting down?

> I use a Danelectro Chili Dog.
Me too. Great little pedal, costs almost nothing. I run it = through a=20 SansAmp Bassdriver DI to beef it up:
 
http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html=
 
Sometimes it bounces up an octave, but this is greatly reduced if = you use=20 the neck pickup and play with your fingers. The whole reason I have = this=20 strange Copeland pickup in the neck position instead of a Roland-type = synth=20 pickup at the bridge is so the Chili Dog will work better. One certain = note (F=20 at third fret on D string) always bounces an octave on my guitar, but = it=20 bounces in a graceful way that is not at all annoying. I dunno what = they are=20 doing with the circuit...it's not a simple octave divider that outputs = a=20 square-wave type signal, like most of these pedals. Somehow, = differences in=20 timbre on the guitar come out through the pedal. And its dynamic = response is=20 really nice.
 
I have a VG-8 processor which cost me, lessee, $1200/40 =3D 30 = times as=20 much as the Chili Dog, and I like the Chili Dog better for bass! = Mainly=20 because there is no tracking delay and it doesn't sound all warbly on = the=20 attack. The pitch shifter on the VG-8 introduces a little bit of = delay.
 
One time I played an Electro-Harmonix Microsynth reissue pedal, = and the=20 octave divider on that seemed very similar to the Chili Dog. Maybe = Danelectro=20 ripped off their circuit.
 
Anyway, try one out, you can't beat the price!
 
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E108.7917A218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 20:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A4B3BF6C; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:14:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:14:56 +0000 (UTC) So, you took the red pill? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: RE: processors? >I WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL MY STUDIO LOOKS LIKE THIS! > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Agency/5509/img/nebpic8findb212tank.jpg > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:55 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: processors? > > "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all >> your gear?" > > What a silly question, of course you're going to reconfigure your gear. > > Kevin > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:09:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7593D3BF7A; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: NI gtr rig looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:09:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2WFgiD.A.0gF.05gxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:09:09 +0000 (UTC) any USERs care to give me any heads ups on this? specifically from the looping point of view not so much; is it cool? but stuff to watch out for or dig into just picked it up this morn and after a little install snafu i'll be spending the next few days with it (c'mere buh-hay-bee) i dunno, pointers to ideas to try or solutions to common pratfalls or whatever you think might help a newbie to it if your an actual user links (keyword searches simply do not work as well as they used to...) worthwhile user groups, anything i can spoon feed my brain to learn it asafp mac G5 2x2 MOTU 424 + I/Os cubase TIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:13:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD91C3BF7A; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09b701c7e0fa$8a97f9d0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <09b701c7e0fa$8a97f9d0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: processors? se-70 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:13:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7e113$6d97ed90$48c7c8b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfg+6ANg/58OLDRSLu1MqP9rrCZUQAF6qgw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D1127022200007f08.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:13:05 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't describe it that way, the SE-70 and VF-1 are quite different in their sounds. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: processors? Yes, I believe so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: processors? >> The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. > > Is it a newer version of the SE-70 then? > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:19:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E193BF85; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: NI gtr rig looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:19:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) and before anyone points it out yes i am right now RTFMing On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:09 PM, steve wrote: > any USERs care to give me any heads ups on this? > > specifically from the looping point of view > not so much; is it cool? > but stuff to watch out for or dig into > just picked it up this morn and after a little install snafu > i'll be spending the next few days with it (c'mere buh-hay-bee) > > i dunno, pointers to ideas to try or solutions to common pratfalls > or whatever > you think might help a newbie to it if your an actual user > links (keyword searches simply do not work as well as they used to...) > worthwhile user groups, anything i can spoon feed my brain to learn > it asafp > > mac G5 2x2 MOTU 424 + I/Os cubase > > TIA > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:23:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F443BF90; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c7e0fd$46d413c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <001b01c7e0fd$46d413c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-772674463 Message-Id: <593127C9-BE10-4755-B7BB-E041D3B74266@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:23:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-772674463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I use two- a Digitech Whammy 1- which is rare a anything and commanding vintage prices these days. The other one is an Ibanez OT10- I really love it- probably the most responsive pedal around(ie quick) and the edge control is just nasty- my fave to be sure. I don't particularly like the Boss pedal or other varients of the Digitech Whammy. Jim On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > hi there, > > what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my > guitar when > > looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units > to d a > convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? > > graham --Apple-Mail-6-772674463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use two- a Digitech Whammy 1- = which is rare a anything and commanding vintage prices these = days.
The other one is an Ibanez OT10- I really love it- probably = the most responsive pedal around(ie quick) and the edge control is just = nasty- my fave to be sure.

I don't particularly like = the Boss pedal or other varients of the Digitech Whammy.

Jim

O= n Aug 17, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

hi there,


what pedals would people here recommend=A0 to do bass sounds on my = guitar when


looping? I know there must be good = octave (lower the octave?) units to d a=A0

convincing bass sound to add to a loop = when playing guitar?


graham

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= --Apple-Mail-6-772674463-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D44D3BF96; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c7e113$6d97ed90$48c7c8b0$@com> References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09b701c7e0fa$8a97f9d0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000001c7e113$6d97ed90$48c7c8b0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <167499DF-F377-40B3-BE3F-2BD23E17BF26@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: processors? se-70 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:23:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8pLOAD.A.zWG.BHhxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:23:14 +0000 (UTC) yeah i saw that and thought i wouldn't say that either the se-70 was an upgraded/improved se-50 but the VF-1 while it shares some design factors is a very different machine On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:13 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > I wouldn't describe it that way, the SE-70 and VF-1 are quite > different in > their sounds. > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: processors? > > Yes, I believe so. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Wellington" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: processors? > > >>> The VF1 is a half rack space multi effects box. >> >> Is it a newer version of the SE-70 then? >> >> Doug >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 21:36:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA4B23BF89; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VfjO1+vV8SH5wNjtQeFBQQtAxDiiLIsnAqsSxYztXX3Vm/p1noy0pd8QZv0u2SL1x+5aE5S7NrX+L7RlP5m7QWSqNN+iNTKmrs2lrFxA4Vo3pJcJDl58HVdfiWaqvBFqosTI6pNEqOhHm6xVHjTn1q4YfSGHG0nAa9sH5fRuw2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xk5jZYtwr+tuIZHlvIqCM19+4ZkzZWzwO87KajHs9fNgWch8ApVdTrgM6PZHv60zXXGd3DQWiamNauLfCMW6J44qLqznXUNSPU+Li/YMOn0FQFKaIwgL6xVayDlBomGfnlEVlf1l/VMM5iAeSKDZOaYrxDPpy9gEVCpvCjVulcA= In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NI gtr rig looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:36:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC) On 17 aug 2007, at 23.09, steve wrote: > specifically from the looping point of view > not so much; is it cool? I would not advice anyone to waste time in trying to loop with the built-in cassette tape rack simulation. It seems to be rather targeting guitar players that want to learn licks by repeating them against an original audio clip. But the effects are awesome! You can do a lot by cabling them up in different configurations. It's nice to use GR as a plug-in under a host and rout its output into a looping plug-in. In such a setup you can sync the guitar rig rack effects tempo after the looper's tempo. Since you're on OS X you can use SooperLooper or Augustus Loop as the looper, depending on how you want to loop (they are quite different). One thing I do not like with GR is the basic sound. Maybe this is because none of my computers is powerful enough to run it in High Fidelity mode together with a software looper? I have tried the High Fi mode without looping and only in this mode GR starts to sound as in the same league as AmpliTube2 and Guitar Amp Pro (part of Logic). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 22:08:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21B4D3BF42; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a5b01c7e11b$1635a710$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012e01c7e082$af97cd00$0200a8c0@daw1> <99F123A5-CCA9-4B5B-89FD-FB6899C955C7@zerocrossing.net> <15d0840708170847u59699da1k574e80d9c22d8085@mail.gmail.com> <096501c7e0ec$7e763c10$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09b701c7e0fa$8a97f9d0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000001c7e113$6d97ed90$48c7c8b0$@com> Subject: Re: processors? se-70 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:08:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:08:09 +0000 (UTC) >I wouldn't describe it that way, the SE-70 and VF-1 are quite different in > their sounds. > -Qua Well, that's right, the VF-1 is not a newer version of the SE-70 because it is a VF-1 and not a an SE-71, or SE-80, etc. But the VF1 is the follow on to the SE-70, or better put, the SE-70 is the predecessor to the VF-1. That's how I'm seeing the two posioned all over the internet on many sites and forums. See effect comparisons below. One thing for certain on my side, I used to use to GT-3, and I liked the guitar synth on that unit much better than the VF-1. Very weird...even though the parameter on each look the same, the VF-1 guitar synth doesn't track as well as the GT-3. SE-70 effects 1 REVERB 2 AMBIENCE 3 CHORUS 4 PHASER 5 VOCODER 6 EQUALIZER 7 OVERDRIVE 8 DISTORTION 9 SLOW GEAR 10 AUTO WAH 11 GUITAR AMP SIMULATOR 12 AUTO PAN 13 FEEDBACKER 14 BASS AMP SIMULATOR 15 GUITAR SYNTH 16 MIXER 17 GATE REVERB 18 DELAY 19 PITCH SHIFT 20 FLANGER 21 RING MODULATOR 22 NOISE SUPPRESSOR 23 ROTARY 24 COMPRESSOR 25 LIMITER 26 ENHANCER 27 VIBRATO 28 TREMOLO 29 DUCKING DELAY 30 DE-ESSER 31 BASS SYNTH 32 VOCAL CANCELER 33 HUM CANCELER 34 SAMPLER 35 REPEAT PLAY VF-1 Effects/Algorithms: PB8 VOCODER PB9 VoiceTRANSFORM (Voice Transformer). PB10 ISOLATOR PB11 LOFI PROCESSOR PB12 REVERB 1 PB13 REVERB 2 PB14 GATE REVERB PB15 2CH RSS (2 channel RSS PB16 DELAY RSS 6 PB17 CHORUS RSS PB18 REVERB RSS PB19 RSS PANNER PB20 DELAY PB21 MultiTAP DELAY (20 TAP) PB22 TAPE ECHO201 PB23 MIC SIMULATOR PB24 SPACE CHORUS PB25 StFLANGER DLY (Stereo Flanger Delay PB26 StPHASER DLY (Stereo Phaser Delay PB27 StCHORUS DLY (Stereo Chorus Delay) PB28 STEREO PS DLY (Stereo Pitch Shifter Delay) PB29 STEREO MULTI PB30 10GRAPHIC EQ (10-Band Graphic Equalizer PB31 HUM CANCELER PB32 VOCAL CANCELER PB33 REVERB+REVERB PB34 CHORUS+REVERB PB35 DELAY+REVERB PB36 DELAY+CHORUS Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 17 23:52:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 614BD3BF62; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LjjzJvwjTlpolYmQpquLbdNc2/7r+5ivCmRKNN3D/kxNHqsYW2odCU5KEmV+BspZao5bZM9dpE5WistZXJdbeyqCQPko1HXUUp07ZZRSDo54015G0Tgr2bHKyE4KjAo5MC1Cd2bWoVD4I8lq7A2kiMb6TS9WYaVQ0HVDD6hYsgY=; X-YMail-OSG: E25HeKMVM1kf08dQEv7Shz81tbv2OEVyY4UiltQs.ijJC.P2dfbU1DIM7JyBTgJw2I7R4P9MEY.Q_6XZzQa4rhnKvU8zO4TSkssSGT_lVZk_503FsLcLh6zMSjfrkA-- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: processors? To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <700757.20867.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <68KtQC.A.3qE.uSjxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT plug a 12 string electric into the chili dog and play a chord. For that matter a six string either. But, if your into weirdness, you can try it just because I sid not to. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 00:29:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 449423BF66; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817172937.02381bc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: processors? In-Reply-To: <003901c7e0ff$b2796150$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817112422.02dba3e8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-322E509E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Mark, and re: Life's to short to wrangle gear/software for too long. My wife always jokes, "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all your gear?" lol! I whole-heartedly agree!!!!!!! Smiles, CQ :) At 11:51 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I don't... I bet you could though. I have to say that I have yet to really >exploit that little box. I once spent some frustrating time trying to get a >Roland expression pedal to control perimeters and I couldn't get it to >change a thing. I've got so much going on though that I just kind of moved >on. Life's to short to wrangle gear/software for too long. My wife always >jokes, "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all >your gear?" > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cara Quinn [mailto:CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com] >Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:27 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: processors? > > Mark, out of curiosity, can the VF-1 do midi controlled pitch >shifts? I.E. Can the intervals be controlled in real time?... > >I've looked through the manual and it seemed not, but I thought you may >have mentioned in another post that it did?... yes?... > >Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!... > >Smiles, > >CQ :) > >At 08:36 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > >Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on > >ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth effect > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: > > > >> > >>All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. > >> > >>Tony > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > >>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: processors? > >> > >>What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for > >>making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I > >>need, but would like some new suonds. > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > >>8/16/2007 > >>9:48 AM > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > >>8/16/2007 > >>9:48 AM > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: > >>8/16/2007 > >>9:48 AM > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > >269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM > >--- > View my on-line portfolio at: > >http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each >other. -Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 >5:19 PM > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 >5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 03:08:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89BDF3BF6B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817172937.02381bc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070817112422.02dba3e8@mail.onemodelplace.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070817172937.02381bc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04F06B8A-2BA4-4DB8-AB45-EE2F09EA58F0@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:02:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Don't mention it! On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Thanks Mark, and > > re: Life's to short to wrangle gear/software for too long. My wife > always > jokes, "So are you going to play music today or just try to > reconfigure all > your gear?" > > > > lol! I whole-heartedly agree!!!!!!! > > Smiles, > > CQ :) > > At 11:51 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >> I don't... I bet you could though. I have to say that I have yet >> to really >> exploit that little box. I once spent some frustrating time >> trying to get a >> Roland expression pedal to control perimeters and I couldn't get >> it to >> change a thing. I've got so much going on though that I just kind >> of moved >> on. Life's to short to wrangle gear/software for too long. My >> wife always >> jokes, "So are you going to play music today or just try to >> reconfigure all >> your gear?" >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cara Quinn [mailto:CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:27 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: processors? >> >> Mark, out of curiosity, can the VF-1 do midi controlled pitch >> shifts? I.E. Can the intervals be controlled in real time?... >> >> I've looked through the manual and it seemed not, but I thought >> you may >> have mentioned in another post that it did?... yes?... >> >> Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!... >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ :) >> >> At 08:36 AM 8/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >Oh how rude would I be if I forgot the amazing Boss VF1 at $200 on >> >ebay it has a great selection of effects including a good synth >> effect >> > >> >Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >On Aug 16, 2007, at 8:57 PM, "Tony K" wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>All the Alesis ModFX boxes. And any of the Roland VG boxes. >> >> >> >>Tony >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >> >>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:32 PM >> >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>Subject: processors? >> >> >> >>What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >> >>making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >> >>need, but would like some new suonds. >> >> >> >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> >>8/16/2007 >> >>9:48 AM >> >> >> >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> >>8/16/2007 >> >>9:48 AM >> >> >> >> >> >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: >> >>8/16/2007 >> >>9:48 AM >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >> >269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM >> >> --- >> View my on-line portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each >> other. -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: >> 8/14/2007 >> 5:19 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: >> 8/14/2007 5:19 PM > > --- > View my on-line portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each > other. -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 03:13:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19EAE3BF69; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5831E40C-855C-4880-8962-0E3F584E758E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: NI gtr rig looping Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:06:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:13:11 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing I do not like with GR is the basic sound. Maybe this is > because none of my computers is powerful enough to run it in High > Fidelity mode together with a software looper? I have tried the > High Fi mode without looping and only in this mode GR starts to > sound as in the same league as AmpliTube2 and Guitar Amp Pro I totally agree. It's lackluster tone plus high latency made it unusable as a guitar rig... I almost got it anyway because I really like how you could assign a perimeter to the attack profile of your string. The effects did sound pretty good... overall it just wasn't worth the money and something like the Camel audio effects were way more interesting in the end. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 03:16:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B3523BF62; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0CFD21F7-898C-4F6C-97B0-1CB8FB00A1F7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: processors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:10:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Oh back in the day I took a whole lot o' pills... tiny pieces of paper with cartoons on them... good times. Wouldn't it have been cool if the Matrix trilogy had ended up being a dream Ted had after some really potent hash? Woah. ;) On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, you took the red pill? > > ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:03 PM > Subject: RE: processors? > > >> I WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL MY STUDIO LOOKS LIKE THIS! >> >> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Agency/5509/img/ >> nebpic8findb212tank.jpg >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:55 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: processors? >> >> "So are you going to play music today or just try to reconfigure all >>> your gear?" >> >> What a silly question, of course you're going to reconfigure your >> gear. >> >> Kevin >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to >> have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 05:06:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEEFD3BF70; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C68CE6.3060300@imt.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:08:38 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex for sale References: <675124.65974.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <675124.65974.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:06:31 +0000 (UTC) It was a really well done piece for it's day for sure. I just acquired another K5m for my van actually. Many of my old songs run sounds off that...and they're so different nothing else quite captures the aura... A huge amount of the work in that project was writing look up tables that would adequately convert real times to the rather arbitrary 'rates'. I built a sampling card for my PC with a 10 bit adc back then on an isa proto card :-). Cheapskate I am, and used that to sample data from which to model whatever they'd done. The engineers were nowhere to be found. :So sad nobody knows who worked on machines like that. It'd be cool to have that info for all the synths on my sounddoctorin.com page. Anyway, those 'rate' values were not a smooth function...and...they were interactive so I had to write multi-dimensional lookup tables actually. But we got it so one can enter actual time values when they edit the envelopes anyway :-) Seemed important at the time. Wrote some cool sounds with it. Sold very few copies. Ads didn't pay for themselves so I bagged it. -bob Paul Richards wrote: > (I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was > an editor for the Kawai K5.) > > Ahhh...one of my all time favorites: K5. I still have one (K5M). > > Paul > > */Bob Weigel /* wrote: > > Well maybe if they are so secure in their knowledge and dominance > of the > topic they won't have to turn into you-know-what's and start mud > slinging and have some understanding of a less experienced person in > their niche'. > > Though I think I can safely say that in reality...it's more like ME > being the office of one specialty area in MIT walking across the > hall to > another guy's specialty area and saying "Hey Jack, I was reading > about > some of your problems over here and I relate several aspects of my > expertise to these..." > > I have written a few C programs in my day of doing that. One that was > an editor for the Kawai K5. > > 100,000 lines? In C code?? *blink*. Uhh..yeah never done one that > long. Being a language with a lot of built ins and all... usually not > necessary to go quite that far with it :-). I seem to recall that one > being 80K of text or something like that. > > When I do pic chips I write in assembler so far. But anyway if I > do it > I'll have a vision of about what it will entail and do it. If someone > tells me they are going to improve something I've done I tell them > "go > for it". I don't act like an asshole. -Bob > > Jeff Larson wrote: > > >>"Ultimate looper". My term for something that has all the features > >>someone would want in a dedicated hardware box currently. Somebody > >>seems to have a permanent attitude against me for dreaming of > such a > >>thing and considering making one. Does this person have some > >> > >> > >FINANCIAL > > > > > >>INTEREST for seeing that such a product NOT be done? Who is this > "CV" > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>and why are they bearing some kind of grudge agaisnt me? I totally > >>don't get it. > >> > >> > > > >I won't speak for this mysterious "CV" but please try to understand > >that there are people on this list with many years of experience > >actually building looping hardware and software, some of them over a > >decade. > > > >When someone comes along saying they're going to build the "ultimate > >looper" with "all the features" this is sort of like walking into the > >M.I.T physics department and claiming you're going to solve the cold > >fusion problem. > > > >You seem like a nice guy with a low tolerance for sarcasm, so I'm > >trying my best to put this gently. If you can't describe the > >architecture and functions of the EDP, Repeater, and > Looperlative, to a > >reasonably thorough degree you really aren't in a position to > toss out > >phrases like "ultimate" and "all the features" because you don't know > >what those mean. > > > >If you have never written a computer program in C or C++ of over > 100,000 > > > >lines then some people are going to have difficulty taking you > seriously > >because building a looper is more about the software than the > hardware. > > > >I don't think anyone is trying to crush your dream, but we may be > >surprised and a little incredulous that someone else is crazy > enough to > >dream it. > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads > > at Yahoo! Search. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 10:19:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422D03BEFF; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:18:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: small case for jamman? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46C6D5A1.3151.48FDCA@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:19:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm struggling to find a minmally sized rack case for my jamman - even the half-sized 2U racks are bigger than I need and space is always at a premium in my setup. Does anyone know of anything that will store a very shallow 1U device efficiently? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:21:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2DA13BF6B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:21:41 +0000 Message-Id: <081820071421.18236.46C70075000CD47C0000473C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18236_1187446901_0" Resent-Message-ID: <-ZwSFC.A.k8H.3BwxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18236_1187446901_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are there any plug in versions that are light on cpu that work well? -------------- Original message -------------- From: James Richmond I use two- a Digitech Whammy 1- which is rare a anything and commanding vintage prices these days. The other one is an Ibanez OT10- I really love it- probably the most responsive pedal around(ie quick) and the edge control is just nasty- my fave to be sure. I don't particularly like the Boss pedal or other varients of the Digitech Whammy. Jim On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: hi there, what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar? graham --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18236_1187446901_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Are there any plug in versions that are light on cpu that work well? 
 
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From: James Richmond <yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com>
I use two- a Digitech Whammy 1- which is rare a anything and commanding vintage prices these days.
The other one is an Ibanez OT10- I really love it- probably the most responsive pedal around(ie quick) and the edge control is just nasty- my fave to be sure.

I don't particularly like the Boss pedal or other varients of the Digitech Whammy.

Jim

On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

hi there,


what pedals would people here recommend to do bass sounds on my guitar when


looping? I know there must be good octave (lower the octave?) units to d a

convincing bass sound to add to a loop when playing guitar?


graham


--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18236_1187446901_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 14:37:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39303BF6E; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DmTbHuJjJmqc6IdJUsAIc4EV64dc+1Cci4YEbYltiwRFz7VPJQ12+z5IqMGVCzvW3cYBsjJBsCywiGNh8/SJwScdvtFMLzblmirOQIxUmP5kOLVIELkeu3Et4YHTgWefbcDJEi+xz5RxMwb9ijdBLwk8dgpO5CPR/BgdjvRjpGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SAeOkqrTW7FjCicx0ikhOX1dKPj3kSDpbLzZf5VM1kdEQnxkR9vXbkz1M95gMltEP5YngtcVb/bmIPQG98dQI9UYhH29Xjc7eJfXV4mBXJo1VirdIVrf0aUEQcuENjbolq25GCEOdasRvPS/WFM3I+Shmt2LyswaS/jrJf7vzZA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <081820071421.18236.46C70075000CD47C0000473C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <081820071421.18236.46C70075000CD47C0000473C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:37:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:37:43 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 16.21, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Are there any plug in versions that are light on cpu that work well? If my memory serves me correctly you are looking for OS X format plug- ins? (think I saw some posts by you on the SooperLooper list earlier). Then you should already have the excellent free Apple plug- ins on your computer! Check out the "AU Pitch". That's the one I prefer for pitch-shifting. With todays version of OS X these free plug-ins sound a lot better and are a lot less CPU intensive compared to when they first were released as a Tiger bundle. Go "AU Plug-ins / Apple / etc etc ". Michael Norris Soundmagicspectral suit is also free, but IMHO not quite as good as Apple for pitching. They are also free though, and have some remarkably cool granular drone plug-ins (free alternative to RiverRun, for those who are into that). You are asking if they "work well", but that's impossible to answer. As all software real-time pitchers there is a longer latency than in some hardware pitching devises. As for myself I'm finding the Apple plug-in useful for adding a low fifth or octave to fatten up my sound. But I don't like it for "bass lines" though. I'd rather make bass lines by pitching the entire loop up one octave, play a bass line in double speed and then pitch back the loop to normal speed and have the added layer play back one octave lower than my real-time instrument. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:16:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63783BF78; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Anyone want to buy an RC-20 (not RC-20XL) in near-mint condition? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:16:14 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c7e1aa$b83e9eb0$28bbdc10$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfhqrSQ7wJBEklFQiioyhOq0s7mZg== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:16:06 +0000 (UTC) I have a Boss RC-20 that I haven't used since I got an RC-50 :-) Please note that this is the original model, without the "undo" feature. If you're interested in buying it, make me an offer. I'm in northern New Jersey if you'd like to try it out. If you're in New York City, there's a train from Penn Station that stops a mile from my house; email me for details. If this is an inappropriate message for this list, please let me know. Regards, Andrew Koenig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:29:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BD53BF67; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c7e1ac$8bacf160$a306d420$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfhrIs4kIvJRNJ5R7eXTlubBZVbfQ== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:29:10 +0000 (UTC) This isn't quite a loop, but I think it's close enough. I want to be able to play something and have it repeated after a delay of about 15 seconds, then have it repeated again after a second delay of the same length, then not have it repeated further. I want this delay to be continuous: That is, I want to be able to keep playing and hear, mixed with what I'm playing, what I played 15 seconds ago and what I played 30 seconds ago. I have a Boss DD-20, which can repeat something after a 15-second delay, but only once. Or it can repeat something twice, but the first delay cannot be as long as 15 seconds. I had thought that I could use the DD-20's stereo delay as two mono delays: Connect the input to one channel, connect that channel's output to the other channel's input and use that other channel's output. But that causes the second channel to delay *both* signals, which means that the one in the middle gets played twice. Any other suggestions, other than getting a second delay unit? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:31:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5928D3BF6E; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hnMPXwKsmotQEp5ds6tY3hY9/ik6X9aaVX1BdnNKsBAKg89ehZqL8We9s4PiEdhPAA4paEfI9YXACQ62IEUPvCEY/qi8aEvHuPoLxAw6eIsms5PNgZMkojhebQdf1V9uTkReXUYQA+k04KqnjYT8/K0BzjE0tZnRHa3APFnXJLY=; X-YMail-OSG: VEp9N4IVM1k9AyrB.JUozFmUeVeD5pUzVRHwUqUWJ7uo8meWkAZ_pFH6mkG3dO5Wgv2zSe24F4sMdneFu6C0eGVSBLz4rJH78qkidPYQtZlSQTOfvw-- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Gig spam: an hour north of Boston To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04405B5D-0B3F-4545-9C5B-91B666699D05@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <82908.28157.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:31:29 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing an outdoor show in Dover, NH next Thursday evening, August 23rd. It's outside of the Tranquilities Tea Room where Central Avenue and Main Street split/merge. (In case of rain, it'll be INSIDE the Tea Room.) Guy Capecelatro III will open at 7 pm and I'll be on around 8. Hope to see some of you there, -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 15:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2113BF7C; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WdOOPqu0/KTzLLOyY2iBRa19MfD/nIABWzZFZ4CIS0riNHFArIIxT3b8nPst2Dx0CgLQN5p0Lm/jrEA1XLjzpsHbAO0vixVucbXHu10yk5D5qsBYDH6SJiRoJR2V9Plplk01V5li4fIp7JRnxGa+STCiY0y5baMleNpHRUhK3Vc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qo3Kt3NdsS5CD3qd3r0CDPv+X+K5KM+yCwYQi+zF04/r6ANRjVxC/U9+LlMRDi9RwtMf8LQR9hZQTs3pQQoqeEo+KCt8lt5IFuvYbLZKJF3fCGuSRvILC5efuxoxX8Em70gtVQFYAbc6eCcyFqZ1q36LQ3rNFE4r7vjC8thst9I= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:33:45 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop In-Reply-To: <004a01c7e1ac$8bacf160$a306d420$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004a01c7e1ac$8bacf160$a306d420$@org> Resent-Message-ID: <6p8rIC.A.26C.fFxxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) TC D-Two can do this nicely. On 8/18/07, Andrew Koenig wrote: > This isn't quite a loop, but I think it's close enough. > > I want to be able to play something and have it repeated after a delay of > about 15 seconds, then have it repeated again after a second delay of the > same length, then not have it repeated further. I want this delay to be > continuous: That is, I want to be able to keep playing and hear, mixed with > what I'm playing, what I played 15 seconds ago and what I played 30 seconds > ago. > > I have a Boss DD-20, which can repeat something after a 15-second delay, but > only once. Or it can repeat something twice, but the first delay cannot be > as long as 15 seconds. > > I had thought that I could use the DD-20's stereo delay as two mono delays: > Connect the input to one channel, connect that channel's output to the other > channel's input and use that other channel's output. But that causes the > second channel to delay *both* signals, which means that the one in the > middle gets played twice. > > Any other suggestions, other than getting a second delay unit? > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 16:41:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5819B3BF62; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jnd Subject: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:41:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <2toUgD.A.NlE.yEyxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, I was trying to use Ableton Live on mac os x (intel) computer to make =20= a loop station using live effects to use in a real-time performance. But I am unable to solve a sync problem. I can=B4t program the loops to =20= play in sync with the first loop recorded. I guess that to solve this problem: - the duration of every clip has to be a multiple integer of the =20 duration of the first recorded clip. - all the clips should start at the same point I have seen that other people had this problem, but i don't seem to =20 find a solution anywhere. Maybe i should use a specific Plug-In...? Witch? Thanks for your time! I would appreciate if someone could point me in =20= the right direction. =20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 16:53:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010EB3BF66; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NqUKRaBrXUJOvxE7r4LEahtJwhII/Kzhs3FlLsAPn4T61FGyQBblyJRT9TnfFqZX+mGI08sj43x0iPwJaDIBEolfGraPE9UBU0ONim0GsLfxTxper2CHn+SEolQ5CIGe33kXAPGayl7RXANv5BkSPcog3/1KnwDZL0ef29+ChDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oVzFfPX4akohmqF70jMQuDpad1bLyC2Mnb8jlVV1A6rvrTjHrPXgQhP61XVejT5PbZ0HTMHXVDOOA1oaGJKXx703qKHJzo3oUMnTOc31OMft4vyFa/nTTU3Dl7KV0A6trjFetqiTTYJZtPhaqk0nTSIS5dBV03scdzv/+eztZKs= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:53:17 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004a01c7e1ac$8bacf160$a306d420$@org> Resent-Message-ID: <2j5CuB.A.M9E._PyxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) This is one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update. What you need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delay time and feedback level for each repeat). There's several out there (the tc electronic boxes come to mind), but I believe they all max out at around 5.5 seconds of delay time. TH > > On 8/18/07, Andrew Koenig wrote: > > This isn't quite a loop, but I think it's close enough. > > > > I want to be able to play something and have it repeated after a delay of > > about 15 seconds, then have it repeated again after a second delay of the > > same length, then not have it repeated further. I want this delay to be > > continuous: That is, I want to be able to keep playing and hear, mixed with > > what I'm playing, what I played 15 seconds ago and what I played 30 seconds > > ago. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:17:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FEF43BF67; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cDqRItV0Bwv4tJZnOq7fhBOo8YTgInLwjWwMEPiiLbR5jChJFeHyZ3J+JT0FwwXBwnXdYSOetIZY13LOtHAVK5r4Osn+Sz3ghV7EyAj+4v52LYkK6QICOyaubKQeV3+zOmmoJRHPDO2wlJr6zpL7DF8po5zU1z+Wb4w/0fFjxcQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GFgwSl7ABmotfARcoiwkY0Us+UUUIptonybZ4n5uEAkjZto16oy9Dg/RUEmz8bS2/nKg2hzcpUiSRIDkpkOHMnkct0zLRlR4J4gY2uNmj1CWHH4DXSTyGOGGKXXOFI9X2yRm4BG4oa5EgRlVfheMU90SVmIWOWUqScYWlLav/kY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:16:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:17:00 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 18.41, jnd wrote: > But I am unable to solve a sync problem. I can=B4t program the loops =20= > to play in sync with the first loop recorded. The solution is to set a different quantize value than "none" on the =20 drop-down menu at the transport bar. Please note that the general synchronization for live looping in =20 Ableton Live has to be that the application defines the tempo, as =20 sync master, and all loops has to be sync slaves. This implies that =20 you have to start the sequencer and play in sync with its tempo when =20 you record your loops, even the first loop. The quantize value =20 defines when the recording will kick in and stop, after you have =20 given these commands. With "quantize =3D none" all loops will have =20 different lengths and they will drift apart. Sometimes you may like =20 to crate one non-synced drifting and then you can set the quantize to =20= "none" temporarily. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:30:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5783BF69; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 614750764-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.184.146 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMALPJxkZPQriS/2dsb2JhbACCIqIE Message-ID: <46C72CC7.6040308@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:30:47 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave pitch shifting down? References: <081820071421.18236.46C70075000CD47C0000473C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <081820071421.18236.46C70075000CD47C0000473C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-M0gnB.A.M_F.BzyxGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:30:42 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Are there any plug in versions that are light on cpu that work well? > An interesting alternative is Chopitch http://www.mathons.com it's a genuine pitch shifter rather than a sub-oct generator, but because it only shifts downwards it can work without latency. The sound you'd get would be exactly that of your guitar played back at half speed ( but without the tempo change ) It also does a lot of other cool stuff, but it's great for basslines. andy butler Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:36:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0D5E3BF78; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:36:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Thankyou for your answer Per But is there a way to define the first loop recorded as sync master. =20 So that the following loops would sync to it and not to the =20 application tempo? Best Regards, Ana On Aug 18, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 aug 2007, at 18.41, jnd wrote: > >> But I am unable to solve a sync problem. I can=B4t program the loops =20= >> to play in sync with the first loop recorded. > > > The solution is to set a different quantize value than "none" on =20 > the drop-down menu at the transport bar. > > Please note that the general synchronization for live looping in =20 > Ableton Live has to be that the application defines the tempo, as =20 > sync master, and all loops has to be sync slaves. This implies that =20= > you have to start the sequencer and play in sync with its tempo =20 > when you record your loops, even the first loop. The quantize value =20= > defines when the recording will kick in and stop, after you have =20 > given these commands. With "quantize =3D none" all loops will have =20 > different lengths and they will drift apart. Sometimes you may like =20= > to crate one non-synced drifting and then you can set the quantize =20 > to "none" temporarily. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 17:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46B503BF61; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BBZitJ9vHXvzAHkohjSQjp1xs4VVvcI1hf9mA3Daq+Y1sUVfiAIh5hgYwusE6aKuIb/n/mKMpWD+bLVM9XKDQMq4zFCH4YlTb1NYhnOxSRWvutCfGLo/n2o6yKSN5i2VHfG9esyP2gBYtctfGffco80xbHQFrByFSB5jMDP1O+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l8eZ1KVLC4kBYlmPYHCvxoY9c2oWmzjZAubIN/DdqqAD7ySJlrQwTFyb2v14N+Zc5F50x5cjDKQcps/Dg6ZJ12BkL1BhICz7BpNTXP4arMpA0GOqp5uvszZwHo2risqGEVIpdoOlHqkUNp2rCoK/gfoysZ9ITGKkVomu0LaFIlc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:49:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 19.36, jnd wrote: > Thankyou for your answer Per > > But is there a way to define the first loop recorded as sync > master. So that the following loops would sync to it and not to the > application tempo? No. Not if you want to loop with recorded Live audio clips. But if you use a software plug-in for looping you can set this plug-in to send the "first loop's" tempo out as MIDI Clock. Then you can set Live to "EXT" (Sync Slave Mode) and, in the MIDI/Sync preferences, enable the MIDI input (where the MIDI Clock comes in from the plug- in) as a Sync source. Examples of looping plug-ins that have the capacity to sending out MIDI Clock are Augustus Loop (AU for OS X) and Mobius (VST for Windows XP). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 18:20:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373233BF7B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:20:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi again Per ... Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow your instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his tempo as a midiclock? Thanks again for helping me ... i really want to learn how to do this and begin live looping. Greetings from Portugal Ana On Aug 18, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 aug 2007, at 19.36, jnd wrote: > >> Thankyou for your answer Per >> >> But is there a way to define the first loop recorded as sync >> master. So that the following loops would sync to it and not to >> the application tempo? > > > No. Not if you want to loop with recorded Live audio clips. But if > you use a software plug-in for looping you can set this plug-in to > send the "first loop's" tempo out as MIDI Clock. Then you can set > Live to "EXT" (Sync Slave Mode) and, in the MIDI/Sync preferences, > enable the MIDI input (where the MIDI Clock comes in from the plug- > in) as a Sync source. > > Examples of looping plug-ins that have the capacity to sending out > MIDI Clock are Augustus Loop (AU for OS X) and Mobius (VST for > Windows XP). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 18:46:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE6E3BF76; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=anggVUp64MO11jGXXLaA1M+iOdrA0A82DLSp+dA5mRi386D3B9yQ2laKqqj07nkdlfW3ldyQErQZx5j3/JsEtDvD33AjJiMKa07x3c43D8bD/zIbV/mDTZp8fP3fj1ZL5o0KyV9/OnXL1VJjbLEf+tdoCdyJsHZgOr+UrEqfASU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zs+tj/6J1l46GN2cTUG1cxxY4DEexm0Zo/VloAennBv35IhpYjW1hfKpSxL0/bCQFqaj4smO+1XQftT4/4GYCIRdv6ouS1EOCawBzItGnVSh0Yv0g3rj/Wlz/r2CRuWkWn+I7B+XY8OpFsfzu26ubJZo3i8dupKon2QEZGaDZE0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:46:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:46:25 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 20.20, jnd wrote: > Hi again Per ... > > Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow your > instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his tempo as > a midiclock? 1. Open the plug-in's GUI. 2. Click the "About/Register" button. 3. Select the "MIDI output" box. 4. Either save your host and launch Live again or delete the plug-in from the plug-in slot and open a new instance of it. This is for the change to take effect. Augustus Loop now opens a virtual MIDI Port that is named "Augustus Loop 1" by Ableton Live's MIDI/sync preferences. If you open a second plug-in, on another Live track, it will show up as "Augustus Loop 2". You should only use the first one as the Sync Master though, so be sure to activate the green Host Tempo button in the plug-in's GUI. > Greetings from Portugal Cool! I've been to Lisboa a couple of times and once lived four months on Kap Verde (former Portuguese colony and still very influenced, the vibe somewhere between Portugal and Africa) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 19:26:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5991F3BF7E; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> In-Reply-To: <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> Subject: playing samples Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c7e1cd$a3aa70f0$eaff52d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfhxZW3ETc1OggUR5OJdrGdemCeEAAB3ynA Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {79542C33-9017-4A37-A96D-C53C9D20AF00} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: LOI= A0dV BEJF BN3z ByqX Cafr Cna+ DUTJ Dssm GQV+ GceQ GrOr GtRm Gxoi IAkX Kb7W;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{79542C33-9017-4A37-A96D-C53C9D20AF00};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:26:00 GMT;cABsAGEAeQBpAG4AZwAgAHMAYQBtAHAAbABlAHMA X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D498f03970000e7c3.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have some ideas that include triggering (via midi ) pre-recorded audio clips, or files, or possibly samples from a CD. In a software environment, like Live6 or Max/msp, would you need a sample-player VST plug-in ? or can the host be triggered to play them. Once they are playing, I'd want to process them, loop them etc. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 19:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368203BF7A; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c7e1d0$df089fc0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <003101c7e1cd$a3aa70f0$eaff52d0$@com> Subject: Re: playing samples Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:49:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:49:23 +0000 (UTC) In Live, you can trigger the samples with a midi keyboard or pads, or with your qwerty keyboard. You can trigger on the clip level, or the row level (scenes) in the session view. Chek out their lessons, or manual, or Ableton's website for how to's. You should be able to lownload a demo copy, to see if it suits what you want to do.. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: playing samples > Hi, > I have some ideas that include triggering (via midi ) pre-recorded audio > clips, or files, or possibly samples from a CD. > In a software environment, like Live6 or Max/msp, would you need a > sample-player VST plug-in ? or can the host be triggered to play them. > Once they are playing, I'd want to process them, loop them etc. > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 19:51:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382093BF78; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f7Y8UT4e9EVDzayVpQEq5iUKFVMhDMIaLyv9F1IFalPwzoZnu4d0RtX6xGCjSWEFdmc6QFirxFSF4w6ThB2HbPH5Z3hnOLi8FGLlLWpj5oRU3q+ZpQIf327uTzcfzKqcqg2PoutlGi8n9Z/OVifDERiYvwi11t/mLeYe12wageI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Or1SRkWW3tnDiusdmrxVKdXnTGvx578Kq8WuNxjWFjB8gyUSnHazsQRb8W/SAcNIEKn8pb66TFNUEUy9YPf7KGe5K35NvhaJyqKIJfpruefbTKgi8+IgU7uYPUrjxI2+xt+pPWSfXzGUeEaRSJ0865PO8kN88HPwUpPR912DsJM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <003101c7e1cd$a3aa70f0$eaff52d0$@com> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <003101c7e1cd$a3aa70f0$eaff52d0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D7F1257-600F-411C-BB6C-C231E27A7F38@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: playing samples Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:51:20 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 21.26, Qua Veda wrote: > In a software environment, like Live6 or Max/msp, would you need a > sample-player VST plug-in ? or can the host be triggered to play > them. Both those App's can trigger audio files from the hard drive without the need of any extra third-party plug-in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 19:53:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C766F3BF7A; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009301c7e1d1$83055e10$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <007701c7dfa7$c12d9170$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:53:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC) It's a wonderful article, Rick! Congratulations to both you and Andrew! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article > The current (September 2007) issue of DRUM! Magazine > has a 6 page article on live looping techniques for drummers and > percussionists. > > Norm Weinberg wrote are really wonderful article and I'm proud to say that > he wrote about two contrasting live looping approaches > (hardware/software; all improvisational/ > set composition performance) comparing the way I loop and the way that my > friend, Andrew > (aka Kid Beyond) loops. > > I'm excited because this is a first for our community in a national > drumming magazine and it's also the very first time > I've ever been profiled in a national drumming magazine. It feels good > as I'm celebrating my 40th year drumming this year. > > My wife, Chris read the article and said that she thought it was an > excellent primer for someone who > is just getting started in the looping world. > > Norm deserves congratulations on a really nice writing job. > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:06:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3BDD3BF3C; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:06:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_11B5_01C7E1A0.F239A6F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3oILMC.A.pgC.AF1xGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_11B5_01C7E1A0.F239A6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got back from my 3 hour busk/street gig here in Boise....our City = Market artist series. It's basically a two block street affair with tons = of people milling about - a farmer's and artist market sort of deal with = musicians at every corner. The Boise City Arts Commission pays musicians = ($150) here to play every weekend.=20 Anyway, I used my Taylor Nylon string guitar, my Schetler "David" = Acoustic amp (beautiful!), and the RC-2. I now have new impressions of = the RC-2....FREAKIN' Frustrating!!! That damn one button does = everything thing is a pain in the ass. I could never get my loops to = stop like I wanted them without messing things up, starting and stopping = the loop, thinking it was reset, then discovering it wasn't when I hit = the button and the prior loop played, etc. It's a nice clean and small = device, just too much of a hassle to do everything with one button. I = don't want to pack my other computer with me, with Mobius, either. I = was even scrambling to get my old computer installed with Mobius, but I = ran out of time and had to jet to the gig. For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs, I'm thinking of getting one = of the new Boomerangs, the Boomerang III? But when is this thing = supposed to be out? I really want a floor looper that is stereo, has = multiple loops or at least A/B, loop extend (multiply), pitch shift, = reverse, etc. The Rang III seems to fit the bill. I'm not interested in = the new Boss either. Any idea when the new Rang will be out? On a side note, these public gigs are really interesting. I just play = improvised contemporary jazz, free-style stuff, and I get an = unbelievable amount of people requesting CDs of the material. I don't = have the heart to sell them one of my existing CDs, because it is = nothing like what they hear, and would probably give them a heart = attack. The popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety = instrumental music is just mind blowing. People flock to this music like = moths to flame. I could actually make money as an artist if I recorded = and sold this style of music. I don't even have to think to do it...just = sit down, play, and hit the record button...it takes virtually no = creative energy whatsoever. Order a bunch of CDs from Kunaki, and I'm = selling this widget music like hotcakes. :) I guess I'm not really = surprised...just forgot how easy it is to play music that reaps tons of = complements and raves from the common public, without even trying. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_11B5_01C7E1A0.F239A6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got back from my 3 hour = busk/street gig here=20 in Boise....our City Market artist series. It's basically a two block = street=20 affair with tons of people milling about - a farmer's and artist market = sort of=20 deal with musicians at every corner. The Boise City Arts Commission pays = musicians ($150) here to play every weekend.
 
Anyway, I used my Taylor Nylon string = guitar, my=20 Schetler "David" Acoustic amp (beautiful!), and the RC-2.  I now = have new=20 impressions of the RC-2....FREAKIN' Frustrating!!!   That damn = one=20 button does everything thing is a pain in the ass. I could never get my = loops to=20 stop like I wanted them without messing things up, starting and stopping = the=20 loop, thinking it was reset, then discovering it wasn't when I hit the = button=20 and the prior loop played, etc. It's a nice clean and small device, just = too=20 much of a hassle to do everything with one button.  I don't want to = pack my=20 other computer with me, with Mobius, either.  I was even scrambling = to get=20 my old computer installed with Mobius, but I ran out of time and had to = jet to=20 the gig.
 
For these portable, "pop" music loop = gigs, I'm=20 thinking of getting one of the new Boomerangs, the Boomerang III? But = when is=20 this thing supposed to be out? I really want a floor looper that is = stereo, has=20 multiple loops or at least A/B, loop extend (multiply), pitch shift, = reverse,=20 etc. The Rang III seems to fit the bill. I'm not interested in the new = Boss=20 either. Any idea when the new Rang will be out?
 
On a side note, these public gigs are = really=20 interesting. I just play improvised contemporary jazz, free-style stuff, = and I=20 get an unbelievable amount of people requesting CDs of the material. I = don't=20 have the heart to sell them one of my existing CDs, because it is = nothing like=20 what they hear, and would probably give them a heart attack. The = popular,=20 unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety instrumental music is = just mind=20 blowing. People flock to this music like moths to flame. =  I could=20 actually make money as an artist if I recorded and sold this style of = music. I=20 don't even have to think to do it...just sit down, play, and hit the = record=20 button...it takes virtually no creative energy whatsoever.  Order a = bunch=20 of CDs from Kunaki, and I'm selling this widget music like hotcakes. = :)  I=20 guess I'm not really surprised...just forgot how easy it is to play = music that=20 reaps tons of complements and raves from the common public, without even = trying.
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
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Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
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------=_NextPart_000_11B5_01C7E1A0.F239A6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50933BF7C; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:26:40 EDT Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc6.1936a75c.33f8b000_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cc6.1936a75c.33f8b000_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/07 4:06:59 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > just forgot how easy it is to play music that reaps tons of complements and > raves from the common public, > nothing wrong with that is there? www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cc6.1936a75c.33f8b000_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/18/07 4:06:59 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


just forgot how easy=20= it is to play music that reaps tons of complements and raves from the common= public,


nothing wrong with that is there?



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cc6.1936a75c.33f8b000_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:31:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A8BF3BF7B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-856087952 Message-Id: <04A929E7-D1CE-4165-BBD2-C5ABD84E6444@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-856087952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > The popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety > instrumental music is just mind blowing. What sort of music did you have in mind exactly? From my experience instrumental music isn't very popular at all, unless you're referring to Kenny G stuff or other muzak. Jeff --Apple-Mail-15-856087952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
The popular, = unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety instrumental music is = just mind = blowing.=A0

What = sort of music did you have in mind exactly? =46rom my experience = instrumental music isn't very popular at all, unless you're referring to = Kenny G stuff or other muzak.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-15-856087952-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:31:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 392AF3BF82; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 603849695-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.184.146 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAGrzxkZPQriS/2dsb2JhbACCIqFj Message-ID: <46C7573B.3010506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:31:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC) > On a side note, these public gigs are really interesting. I just play > improvised contemporary jazz, free-style stuff, and I get an > unbelievable amount of people requesting CDs of the material. I don't > have the heart to sell them one of my existing CDs, because it is > nothing like what they hear, and would probably give them a heart > attack. The popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety > instrumental music is just mind blowing. People flock to this music like > moths to flame. I could actually make money as an artist if I recorded > and sold this style of music. I don't even have to think to do it...just > Kris huh, easy for you :-) so.. er .. why do you do it? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:38:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B42853BF7C; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Dark Side of Mercury" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) New instrumental improv piece I did recently. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/dark_side_of_mercury.mp3 Chapman Stick, E-Bow, Piranha guitar bow, Z-Vex Seek Trem, Moog MuRF, 12-stage phaser, analog delay. Archived on http://www.subscapeannex.com/sounds.html best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:46:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE81A3BF7F; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:47:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C7E19E.41BD0EE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfh1Fd1PFpDo42ARZqRal/A40n7NQAA/HgA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D5c7f02530000fe2c.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:46:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C7E19E.41BD0EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kris , are you busking in stereo? Or are you wanting a stereo floor pedal for other purposes besides busking? From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] .. For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs,..I really want a floor looper that is stereo, .. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C7E19E.41BD0EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Kris , are you busking in stereo?  Or are you = wanting a stereo floor pedal for other purposes besides = busking?

 

From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
…. 

For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs,….I really want a floor looper that is stereo, ….

Kris

 

 

 

 =

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C7E19E.41BD0EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:50:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84AC83BF7B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <120401c7e1d9$6ccff7b0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04A929E7-D1CE-4165-BBD2-C5ABD84E6444@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_11FF_01C7E1A7.2142C340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:50:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_11FF_01C7E1A7.2142C340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really? Kenny G? Yikes. I'm talking about instrumental contemporary = jazz, folk/jazz fusion, melodic free-style, etc. People just eat it up. = Especially the instrumetal jazz. And I'm not talking about kids either. = Every single complement I received was from someone in their late 30s to = 60's. I guess people like to listen to this type of music while they = eat, drink wine, socialize, etc. It has no words to distract, but is = pleasing to the ear...also more interesting than most new age. =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 The popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden variety = instrumental music is just mind blowing.=20 What sort of music did you have in mind exactly? From my experience = instrumental music isn't very popular at all, unless you're referring to = Kenny G stuff or other muzak. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_11FF_01C7E1A7.2142C340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Really? Kenny G? Yikes. I'm talking = about=20 instrumental contemporary jazz, folk/jazz fusion, melodic free-style, = etc.=20 People just eat it up.  Especially the instrumetal jazz. And I'm = not=20 talking about kids either. Every single complement I received was from = someone=20 in their late 30s to 60's. I guess people like to listen to this type of = music=20 while they eat, drink wine, socialize, etc. It has no words to distract, = but is=20 pleasing to the ear...also more interesting than most new age. =20
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Shirkey
 
The popular, = unquenchable taste=20 for vanilla, garden variety instrumental music is just mind=20 blowing. 

What sort of music did you have in mind exactly? From my = experience=20 instrumental music isn't very popular at all, unless you're referring = to Kenny=20 G stuff or other muzak.

Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_11FF_01C7E1A7.2142C340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:53:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBB683BF7B; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <120901c7e1d9$d628a810$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46C7573B.3010506@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:53:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:53:33 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > huh, easy for you :-) > > so.. er .. why do you do it? > > andy butler Heh heh. Because I am a sado-masochist. :) Actually, I do it not for the creative stimulation, but to get out and engage socially. It is fun to be out with all the people, and give them some enjoyment, even if the music isn't exactly artistically stimulating to me. I don't particular like talking to people in the public, so this is my version of small talk, musically speaking. ...finally got Mobius working on my old laptop, with the MIDI moose...I may use that next time. K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 20:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8153BF8A; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:56:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1215_01C7E1A7.EE21D090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:56:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1215_01C7E1A7.EE21D090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just mono. But I think it would be cool to have a stereo floor looper = for future applications, especially if I play larger gig with my PA and = want to use some stereo reverb, delay, etc. It's sure taken them along = to release that Rang III.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 Hi Kris , are you busking in stereo? Or are you wanting a stereo = floor pedal for other purposes besides busking? =20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 ..=20 For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs,..I really want a floor = looper that is stereo, .. Kris =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_1215_01C7E1A7.EE21D090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just mono. But I think it would be cool = to have a=20 stereo floor looper for future applications, especially if I play  = larger=20 gig with my PA and want to use some stereo reverb, delay, etc.  = It's sure=20 taken them along to release that Rang III.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Qua Veda =

 

Hi=20 Kris , are you busking in stereo?  Or are you wanting a stereo = floor=20 pedal for other purposes besides busking?

 

From: Krispen = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
=85. 

For these = portable,=20 "pop" music loop gigs,=85.I = really want a=20 floor looper that is stereo, =85.

Kris

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_1215_01C7E1A7.EE21D090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:02:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77A313BF90; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012c01c7e1db$0d203350$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Fw: processors? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:02:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:02:15 +0000 (UTC) > The Fantom S is a synth (sorry) but you can send an audio signal (stereo, > mono, or mic) through it, and among other things, assign it to one of 77 > effects, change the effect settings or the effect, go through 16 effect > structures, in series or parallel, all in real time. You can controll > some of this with the expression pedal. > > I didn't see anyone mention AmpliTube > http://remixmag.com/computer_production/remix_ik_multimedia_amplitube/ . > Does anyone use this? > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: processors? > > >> What item of hardware, other than synth, do you think is best for >> making a guitar sound unlike a guitar? I've got all the ambience I >> need, but would like some new suonds. >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:20:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9CCA3BF97; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT: moving instruments in a finished 2bus recording Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:20:44 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c7e1dd$a333c710$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acfh3aMHGJrLMrbnTnWNFlLsu6MfIQ== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52jJ+JQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Again hoping do dig something up in this huge ball of know-how: I have this performance recording (stereo recording) where due to some setup mistake the entire drumset, instead of spanning L to R, is panned C to R. Which means (among other unpleasant things) that the bassdrum comes to sit about 50% to the right. What I want to do: Move the drums (well, especially the bassdrum is important) to roughly center without a) making one channel a lot louder than the other b) loosing mono compatibility c) completely collapsing the stereo image d) moving everythin that was center to hard left (or something radical) Other strange and unwanted effects wouldn't pose a problem, though. Is this possible? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF4B3BF8D; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014901c7e1df$3d0a72c0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Not looping, but if you're into jazz, circa 1963, Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01C7E1A4.908CA110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C7E1A4.908CA110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've set up a site at myspace for an outdoors jazz concert that we did = when some of us were just out of high school. http://www.myspace.com/dickdennisjazzband=20 It was recorded by one of the guys in the band, ie, he pushed the record = button when we started playing. The stereo mics were aimed towards the = piano (somewhat out of tune), and the rest of the band. I was working = with a 3rd or 4th generation cassette tape, but overall, it's fairly = good. Has anyone studied with Mike Rendish (the young arranger for the = concert) at Berklee in Boston? He's semi-retired now, but taught there = for forty some years. Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C7E1A4.908CA110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've set up a site at myspace for an = outdoors jazz=20 concert that we did when some of us were just out of high = school.
 
http://www.myspace.com= /dickdennisjazzband 
 
It was recorded by one of the guys in = the band, ie,=20 he pushed the record button when we started playing.  The stereo = mics were=20 aimed towards the piano (somewhat out of tune), and the rest of the = band. =20 I was working with a 3rd or 4th generation cassette tape, but overall, = it's=20 fairly good.
 
Has anyone studied with Mike Rendish = (the young=20 arranger for the concert) at Berklee in Boston?  He's = semi-retired=20 now, but taught there for forty some years.
 
Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C7E1A4.908CA110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:34:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BECD3BF9A; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AYxP3JNMHNU4Z6enzu+0yeZzjlGO/uNWRBGvLh9fNOXSl/UPeGKN+JQhKt9E53LQtarCxwkK9b0cAhV0TLez54+hoxxCbdRFiDHDZEfMJkDnVqgUTFlPqg2BNlfVjtuyKdRipnpIsZRWVJto8fMEzOpPM9MW8yEQBxzGfUHLqsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iDp5Cs5UDecSVVHgyxE2a5dK8P0Bl2zrpbjSsNQNgsBt5p8Pq5B8r67EYrEmw1kzpv5wrvaKYUm4nrGF4k/pvXz4OF/b8FS6396yqXZC2O09nSUt8Mxc4hluwZKIHXMR4wnJoNP9Qnr+XGML+pyaTOB1NzhAURTKjQIzcRg49TM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Dark Side of Mercury" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:34:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:34:20 +0000 (UTC) On 18 aug 2007, at 22.37, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > New instrumental improv piece I did recently. > http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/dark_side_of_mercury.mp3 > Chapman Stick, E-Bow, Piranha guitar bow, Z-Vex Seek Trem, Moog > MuRF, 12-stage phaser, analog delay. Nice stuff. Has a calm and soothing vibe although the sounds are harsh like human sized partially corroded crab robots. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:51:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A6F3BF98; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <012c01c7e1db$0d203350$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> In-Reply-To: <012c01c7e1db$0d203350$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Subject: just a fun video of basic looping w/RC-50 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c7e1e1$fb872de0$f29589a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfh3CQ3/bkPT49YTrG23/KZ2ZTwHQABa4YQ Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {D64ACEFC-DD6D-4725-AED5-031EEC1DBCB4} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: of4= Bqkf CxqE DNAo EDBD FGEC FsW/ G/Bk HC/n HgMP HqnA Ht36 IvEU KObB KiQz KkW0;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{D64ACEFC-DD6D-4725-AED5-031EEC1DBCB4};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:39 GMT;agB1AHMAdAAgAGEAIABmAHUAbgAgAHYAaQBkAGUAbwAgAG8AZgAgAGIAYQBzAGkAYwAgAGwAbwBvAHAAaQBuAGcAIAB3AC8AUgBDAC0ANQAwAA== X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6baf025300000d5d.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1nWPDZbO64&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:52:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC433BF96; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <012c01c7e1db$0d203350$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: just a fun video of basic looping w/RC-50 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:52:50 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c7e1e2$1f993020$5ecb9060$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfh3CQ3/bkPT49YTrG23/KZ2ZTwHQABa4YQAAALiEA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6bed025300000d9e.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <8g2IvC.A.jXH.oo2xGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Btw, this was not me, just a guy named Myles, I think, that I enjoyed on youtube -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1nWPDZbO64&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 21:55:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524E53BF9C; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c201c7e1e2$6e6f60c0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: Subject: Re: "Dark Side of Mercury" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:55:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Maybe, that's what the dark side of Mercury is like, Per! I like the slowly evolving soundscape! Greetings from Tucson, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: "Dark Side of Mercury" > On 18 aug 2007, at 22.37, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> New instrumental improv piece I did recently. >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/dark_side_of_mercury.mp3 >> Chapman Stick, E-Bow, Piranha guitar bow, Z-Vex Seek Trem, Moog >> MuRF, 12-stage phaser, analog delay. > > > Nice stuff. Has a calm and soothing vibe although the sounds are > harsh like human sized partially corroded crab robots. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 22:08:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47FDA3BFA2; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: rang3 ? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E1A9.AECEF5B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfh21CelsISenxrRLyj1riW+6Qc9wACMe0Q Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6fac02530000112a.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:08:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E1A9.AECEF5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kris, Curious, where are you finding info on the rang3 ? what are the main reasons you are considering it over its competition? Ease of use for busking? Etc? ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E1A9.AECEF5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Kris,  

Curious,  where are you finding info on the rang3 = ?    what are the main reasons you are considering it = over its competition?  Ease of use for busking?  = Etc?

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E1A9.AECEF5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 18 23:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2597F3BF86; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:44:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: "Dark Side of Mercury" In-Reply-To: <01c201c7e1e2$6e6f60c0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Message-ID: References: <01c201c7e1e2$6e6f60c0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, Per and Tom. "Partially corroded crab robots" is the nicest compliment I've gotten today :). best, Steve Burnett On Sat, 18 Aug 2007, Tom Rex wrote: > Maybe, that's what the dark side of Mercury is like, Per! > > I like the slowly evolving soundscape! > > Greetings from Tucson, > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: "Dark Side of Mercury" > > >> On 18 aug 2007, at 22.37, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >>> New instrumental improv piece I did recently. >>> http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/dark_side_of_mercury.mp3 >>> Chapman Stick, E-Bow, Piranha guitar bow, Z-Vex Seek Trem, Moog MuRF, >>> 12-stage phaser, analog delay. >> >> >> Nice stuff. Has a calm and soothing vibe although the sounds are harsh >> like human sized partially corroded crab robots. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 01:57:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B463BF6B; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> In-Reply-To: <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> Subject: RE: rang3 ? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c7e204$43e5f900$cbb1eb00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C7E1E2.BCD45900" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfh21CelsISenxrRLyj1riW+6Qc9wACMe0QAAf2A9A= Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18XfzdwXfj+qjX8T2QioVG+eCMbjtEEo57vnmC ffDlAh39f1KuUqFWr4woKS/2wUeSQ8C/m44x+V8gfWYVdLoQ+3 1YaTmk8tKPaEoZ64u7CWDYHFz3c9Gi23cBCmIEtZn8= Resent-Message-ID: <5EoLm.A.tNC.IO6xGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:57:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C7E1E2.BCD45900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I understood it, the Rang 3 would have no battery-power option. You could drag around a car battery and power converter, but not exactly portable, then. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives/ From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rang3 ? Hi Kris, Curious, where are you finding info on the rang3 ? what are the main reasons you are considering it over its competition? Ease of use for busking? Etc? ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C7E1E2.BCD45900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I understood it, the Rang 3 would have no = battery-power option. You could drag around a car battery and power converter, but not exactly portable, then.

 

Dave Eichenberger

http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives/&= nbsp;  

 

From:= Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: rang3 ?

 

Hi Kris,  

Curious,  where are you finding info on the rang3 ?    what are the main reasons you are considering it = over its competition?  Ease of use for busking?  = Etc?

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C7E1E2.BCD45900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 02:04:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68063BF72; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708190204.l7J24H3x037877@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RC-2 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:04:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C7E1CA.9388ADC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfiBT+ukq7+9JydTPOqZ294o3AWjw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:04:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C7E1CA.9388ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know a simple momentary pedal would give you the one press stop, you long for, there's a port on the side for it, on the RC-2. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C7E1CA.9388ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You know a simple momentary pedal would give you the = one press  stop, you long for, there’s a port on the side for it, = on the RC-2.

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C7E1CA.9388ADC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 02:06:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CFA93BF72; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> Subject: Re: rang3 ? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:06:38 +0000 (UTC) I owned the original Rang, and liked it because it was really rugged and road-worthy. In fact, for anyone who has my debut solo looping CD, "Places", that was done all on a Rang. It's proven its worth with me. :) The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (which is great for looping jazz standards) and the Multiply feature, which is great for looping just one measure, and then looping a more complex part that extends beyond that for multiple measures (whereas having to loop that single measure line for several measures and then loop over that, as is the case with more basic loopers). Plus, will there any other floor looper on the market that has these features? I really like the fade out feature...very cool. True Stereo Over 17 minutes of recording time (mono) 6 independent loops Play loops sequentially or simultaneously Undo/Redo capability Loop extend (Multiply) Loop copy Reverse lead live Auto fade out Metronome with loop quantize Octave down effect (for bass line creation) Reverse playback Layer merging Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Qua Veda To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: rang3 ? Hi Kris, Curious, where are you finding info on the rang3 ? what are the main reasons you are considering it over its competition? Ease of use for busking? Etc? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 03:47:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223343BF72; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5YZyN/53aaGkejVze/k/ukYHI9vj+U5nbbQ2DqibeogDosJGtSw2ZSRCxfkienmtGTCfXPpCPqwpKcCxiuN/tzxU/5L/uA1x4fgx2JEqacPNo9BguMV6uDcBf3GnkGH1uitsi3jSzGgLv8QdmqcGBxfpJ0p4E7UWQH+5Bk7lmVo=; X-YMail-OSG: iRKMJYIVM1n3yyYiJxzCPvuKpJqTGsVeJB6aLzf6yHfsck5Kq83GvSVMJSJiGR7OlHX.JkcP9htzCzEm2HfNIGSO8tsaHFVH3hokDQ2R8yNl6WODFOs- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: barry smith Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <148557.41579.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Good for you! But keep in mind.....even that commercially viable "vanilla/garden variety" stuff you're doin' up in potato land isn't as easy as you might give yourself credit for....I mean to say that, you've obvious put in countless hours and energy learning to play and perform to even arrive at the level required to do that gig in the first place. Think back to when you first began playing music and try to remember how insurmountable that gap to where you are now, seemed to be! Oh yeah, can you give a more accurate idea as to the actual amount of CDs you might have sold? Just curious..... I am myself preparing to hit the streets again with my violins and sax with Echoplex, etc. I used to Busk quite a lot in New York and here in Flagstaff Arizona.....but with acoustic fiddle. It necessitates a huge amount of work to reach and hold crowds un-amplified.....not only that, but, fiddle music is nice and all.......but not unique to most ears, or visually eye-catching enough to stand out in the crowd.... Now I NEED to get out into world with my sound. Thanks Kris! --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just got back from my 3 hour busk/street gig here > in Boise....our City Market artist series. It's > basically a two block street affair with tons of > people milling about - a farmer's and artist market > sort of deal with musicians at every corner. The > Boise City Arts Commission pays musicians ($150) > here to play every weekend. > > Anyway, I used my Taylor Nylon string guitar, my > Schetler "David" Acoustic amp (beautiful!), and the > RC-2. I now have new impressions of the > RC-2....FREAKIN' Frustrating!!! That damn one > button does everything thing is a pain in the ass. I > could never get my loops to stop like I wanted them > without messing things up, starting and stopping the > loop, thinking it was reset, then discovering it > wasn't when I hit the button and the prior loop > played, etc. It's a nice clean and small device, > just too much of a hassle to do everything with one > button. I don't want to pack my other computer with > me, with Mobius, either. I was even scrambling to > get my old computer installed with Mobius, but I ran > out of time and had to jet to the gig. > > For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs, I'm > thinking of getting one of the new Boomerangs, the > Boomerang III? But when is this thing supposed to be > out? I really want a floor looper that is stereo, > has multiple loops or at least A/B, loop extend > (multiply), pitch shift, reverse, etc. The Rang III > seems to fit the bill. I'm not interested in the new > Boss either. Any idea when the new Rang will be out? > > On a side note, these public gigs are really > interesting. I just play improvised contemporary > jazz, free-style stuff, and I get an unbelievable > amount of people requesting CDs of the material. I > don't have the heart to sell them one of my existing > CDs, because it is nothing like what they hear, and > would probably give them a heart attack. The > popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden > variety instrumental music is just mind blowing. > People flock to this music like moths to flame. I > could actually make money as an artist if I recorded > and sold this style of music. I don't even have to > think to do it...just sit down, play, and hit the > record button...it takes virtually no creative > energy whatsoever. Order a bunch of CDs from > Kunaki, and I'm selling this widget music like > hotcakes. :) I guess I'm not really > surprised...just forgot how easy it is to play music > that reaps tons of complements and raves from the > common public, without even trying. > > Kris > > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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I have come to you with a sincere heart believing in Almighty God  that you will consider my plight and come to my help with your assistance to save my life  and have my inherited funds transferd over to your country .

My name is Konan Victor Johnson and with my sister sandra johnson, I am 18 yrs old and my sister is 16 years old and we are student. Please I would like you to assist us as urgent as you can before they kill us and please take us as your children.

our father was a wealthy gold dealer. This happened on oct-sept, 2006 when they discovered a very bigsome of money my father deposited in a Bank here, As a result of this discovery and the enviness of this money ,he was poisioned by his associates with the help of our relativest at his hospital bed ,he revealed to me the reasons of his sickness and told me that we should be care ful of our relatives.

Before my late father died he directed me where to get the documents of the Money deposit in the Bank, that he made me the next of kin being the only son .He advise me that if he dies , that we should not stay in our country because of our relatives will equally kill us hence our mother died five years ago of breast cancer. He directed me if he dies that I should look for a foreign partner who will help me to transfer his money into the person's account and the person will help us to invest the money in his country.

My father finally died on 5th of march this year and since then we was out of school and went into hiding because of my father's relatives. All the relevant documents of the $7.5 million us dollars that was deposite are with me now. I am ready to give you half of the money and the money also belongs to you, if you can help me transfer this money into your account for onward investment and the continuation of our education in your country cause i want to be a  lawyer and sandra want to be a doctor

Please contact me immediately with the below E-mail address and send me the following infoirmation which i will take to the bank for the processing of the transfer and for me to get the bank contact and send to you,so that you will talk with the bank and hear from the bank.

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Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --0-413820022-1187495002=:8359-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 05:43:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151EF3BF71; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l3+reRB83VWdUrOYFpqq9r/s9bKcV3yWOyUC833eUcJY5miz/mmGHnFRqA1Th76Gfd+7cOr9ZIygKHZN0janWFZ9PBJ70bzWSMXVbPrtsvzzk8YqREEBRBUHZEQoUhgV7T0HXrqe2WFnfci+zm1P6/cxt6HlpMaeTIN3MJ5ORdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NLNShv8GDuk3uJVcv480g42SwBtY5WR6Di4QpRWB2BRVoD3kDxNTMQyKEuT5eUsDALXAVEETHrcksvQ/YUKl90wesBdWycGTbM/9zypWeRwO/dTMUYJazCtyyKmo/paDNBkY46NufQ6qLS7lli+k7mlCWabyNzrL2txtObzGNfY= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:43:16 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7YpIa.A.qCG.3h9xGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Are you talking about the Boomerang 3? I don't recall the Boomerang 2 having a multiply feature. TH On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (which is great for looping > jazz standards) and the Multiply feature, which is great for looping just > one measure, and then looping a more complex part that extends beyond that > for multiple measures (whereas having to loop that single measure line for > several measures and then loop over that, as is the case with more basic > loopers). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 05:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4FA3BF72; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: rang3 ? Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:54:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Heck, I didn't even know there was a Rang II. That must be the first one with the version 2 software? (the one out now and shown on their website: http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ It wasn't called multiply, but Stack. I had to look at the manual to remember. >From the version 2 manual: "During playback, STACK will add what you're playing to the existing loop, and stack will turn on. A second tap turns off stack and stops adding sound to your loop. This stacking of parts will continue for as long as stack is on. There is no hard limit to the number of parts that can be added, in fact a whole song can be created in just a few minutes by stacking on various parts, one by one. If the Rang is connected to a small mixing console, different instruments and voices can be added to the mix. By controlling the relative levels of each new part the final result will sound well balanced; this is an experience thing. The stacking feature works during reverse playback so any part can be recorded forward or reversed." It has been since 2004 since I owned the Rang, but I believe Stack worked sort of like Multiply on the EDP, in its most simple way. But I could be out of my gourd....I just recall being able to do short 1 measure loops and then add to them later, like with Multiply on an EDP, which was the main benefit for saving time and not having to sit on my ass and play a bass line for 16 measures in order to loop a 16 bar chorus over the top of it. I've always thought that was just ridiculuous. I have jazz guitarist friends here still using the RC20 and looping entire ABAA parts so that they can play the heads and solos over the whole set of changes...nuts. If they only had A/B or Multiply. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: Re: rang3 ? > Are you talking about the Boomerang 3? I don't recall the Boomerang 2 > having a multiply feature. > > TH > > On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (which is great for >> looping >> jazz standards) and the Multiply feature, which is great for looping just >> one measure, and then looping a more complex part that extends beyond >> that >> for multiple measures (whereas having to loop that single measure line >> for >> several measures and then loop over that, as is the case with more basic >> loopers). >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 06:03:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3213BF59; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=osNsPay4axaWh8cHOpWHmN9D/un5dSndi2tq/lVEQVzMYAk6ABCqpkQ6ViSV6VSMp53CcE/UJ8UvUHmLZgHpvUtnCDFKVQ7aAeXJyTvtKZP//FYRWGoY73Wxtjn2/zIwf9JKeRbB2KJO8Mkx39QXriNWNIn0Y8UEwHkHP4iTrn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p5E7cFBGvklbnHLSP20DRl/rgwQfTU7UW2Kh5nCxxcV5CCCrbUCM9SbIu79SGX0My/LsAhRuzkLFyx4EYiXubFe57h1B1RuizCl1+xQPDmvBmSiI+wXT80OZIOYyfYTvxdlpxQERQtCZ7Jtirp3InRddxEkM3EjWKTu0vIJbAgM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:03:21 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:03:23 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerang 2 (it was never actually called that) was the one that shipped with the v2 software which allowed A/B looping, a programmable feedback level (instead of the 90% or so that v1 offered) and options for musical intervals of other than an octave down for the "halfspeed" feature. The Stack feature was their term for Overdub, it didn't do any multiply. V1 of the software required that you hold the button down for overdubbing, v2 allowed "latching" so you could leave it in overdub mode. TH On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Heck, I didn't even know there was a Rang II. That must be the first one > with the version 2 software? (the one out now and shown on their website: > http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ > > It wasn't called multiply, but Stack. I had to look at the manual to > remember. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 06:16:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A4B3BF66; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:15:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070819061606.9FE772483F@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:16:11 +0000 (UTC) I'm not familiar with the boomerang, but what you've described here is exactly what I do with the rc-50. I do a short rhythmic phrase and then on phrase two a longer melodic or bass line. Then if I want to play something that I'll be overdubbing on I move over to phrase 3. you can sync the phrases or leave them unsynced. It does have reverse and is in stereo. Of course I have several times wished that it had a multiply pedal and could stay in the same phrase so that I could do some other things with my other phrases, The other big wish is that it could undo more than one level.... The rc-50 might be worth another look... but then again if the rang has a true multiply, I'd probably go for that. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 01:54 AM 8/19/2007, you wrote: >It has been since 2004 since I owned the Rang, but I believe Stack >worked sort of like Multiply on the EDP, in its most simple >way. But I could be out of my gourd....I just recall being able to >do short 1 measure loops and then add to them later, like with >Multiply on an EDP, which was the main benefit for saving time and >not having to sit on my ass and play a bass line for 16 measures in >order to loop a 16 bar chorus over the top of it. I've always >thought that was just ridiculuous. I have jazz guitarist friends >here still using the RC20 and looping entire ABAA parts so that they >can play the heads and solos over the whole set of >changes...nuts. If they only had A/B or Multiply. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 06:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 090C53BF73; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VS/IqKFsYKUydab9lRpGWvH4Lvj7mZPT+oVrBcKRMXOOw2b1Q6VqOviruiFscAw4hskqYuoiGN580nigPFtY5CqbkjyZVytZdSWzpZWjrbnuEK5YAyPXw83NA5wEjliHXEHxPzJj4ePhlDO1b4jDB/jAU4eeJgU8anNqe189TjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HVatT4gePPKxPdhRum4dEvafjekHEIlNOxhf/AuQmZQnuX9eXakfkl1qm90BxSEZ7mswhAMrY0XUY13UQuTg+MvwYoFExru4YeN9IC0NqaSXRV+GQAIzvaYCo/e27RlLq9K5tvhi2cvfRfZGIbCuFPCFvDIhwgcbr60hq6r8fd4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:17:12 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Oh, and here's a link to artwork allegedly for the panel of the Boomerang 3: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=249575 along with some hints as to features and possible release date: "Thanks for your inquiry. We will be releasing an effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper in Oct-Nov 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! . We appreciate your enthusiasm, Lynne @ BMP" TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 06:45:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79393BF66; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Maple Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:38:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <658t5D.A.4oB.Mc-xGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Is this the software you speak of? http://www.marblesound.com/Maple_tools.html On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in > Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to > send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then > extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" > module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd > to the "Clock to Sync" module. > > Works like a charm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 08:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F66B3BF34; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: rang3 ? Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:11:44 -0700 Message-ID: <006901c7e238$95539fc0$bffadf40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfiKateFhawZ988SQq5/LyzjwdspQADlonw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dfcfb022200007d5e.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:11:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm getting confused... Release in 06? I didn't see info on the boomerangmusic website about a new version of s/w or h/w. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? Oh, and here's a link to artwork allegedly for the panel of the Boomerang 3: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=249575 along with some hints as to features and possible release date: "Thanks for your inquiry. We will be releasing an effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper in Oct-Nov 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! . We appreciate your enthusiasm, Lynne @ BMP" TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 10:37:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53B7F3BF33; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 595033198-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.159.238 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoUAGa6x0ZPQp/u/2dsb2JhbACCHgShfQ Message-ID: <46C81D8B.60803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:38:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: moving instruments in a finished 2bus recording References: <000f01c7e1dd$a333c710$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000f01c7e1dd$a333c710$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Try the following Leave L as it is Subtract some of the L channel from the R, (i.e. split off some of the L ch, invert it and mix in to the R ch) If it's a 2 mic stereo recording, you could try a v.small delay on the R. andy butler Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Again hoping do dig something up in this huge ball of know-how: > > I have this performance recording (stereo recording) where due to some setup > mistake the entire drumset, instead of spanning L to R, is panned C to R. > Which means (among other unpleasant things) that the bassdrum comes to sit > about 50% to the right. > > What I want to do: > Move the drums (well, especially the bassdrum is important) to roughly > center without > a) making one channel a lot louder than the other > b) loosing mono compatibility > c) completely collapsing the stereo image > d) moving everythin that was center to hard left (or something > radical) > > Other strange and unwanted effects wouldn't pose a problem, though. > > Is this possible? > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 10:45:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2057E3BF33; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=siw5KVmk5Tbw7lF0xjwubWE9ve6+eZfCqu/N1rHPnqST1+JugOKn/TcheXrIqFpKaQTpkNo9Wiu0xFwn9587HeH36QGPBdre4tyhYTm5d3f62Lj901j5cL+fKfBqp/QKkqDwIglqRg5nTKUE9kAfNpmLI+iN0a/Xk9+pu8cDKz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BtqXwYg+pHTxh/wNYe8wq2U/opaKrIGAG7Gy0Ey9Mazv3YJPCc658lX6WUXoW4CzEhEjg/OXK19u/CQTwV2NS9lIS5hCHAlkRgsabPZDSLPwE1ikFTyO55lzIECPWlhDlmaVLWeXZ0hlbI4hQwPDj3Pf7ydtKxPJYrAGG6BsuFM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:45:17 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: <006901c7e238$95539fc0$bffadf40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7e238$95539fc0$bffadf40$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Obviously the unofficial ship date has slipped... There wasn't a formal announcement on the website as I recall, some people had individually corresponded with one of the owners of Boomerang and been provided a short list of features and probable release date. Recently I've seen mention that some of the mail-order gear places had a release date of this summer, but nothing official from Boomerang themselves. I believe they also said at one point that they wanted to avoided the sort of vaporware shenanigans that plagued the Repeater, hence the lack of official information regarding release dates. TH On 8/19/07, Qua Veda wrote: > I'm getting confused... Release in 06? I didn't see info on the > boomerangmusic website about a new version of s/w or h/w. > > -Qua > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 036893BF3A; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13ea01c7e26c$3d9be240$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: rang3 ? Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:21:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9J3f9.A._bD.tHFyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:21:34 +0000 (UTC) I am definitely out of my gourde then, and looking forward to the Loop Extend of Rang III. Thanks for the clarification. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: Re: rang3 ? > The Boomerang 2 (it was never actually called that) was the one that > shipped with the v2 software which allowed A/B looping, a programmable > feedback level (instead of the 90% or so that v1 offered) and options > for musical intervals of other than an octave down for the "halfspeed" > feature. > > The Stack feature was their term for Overdub, it didn't do any > multiply. V1 of the software required that you hold the button down > for overdubbing, v2 allowed "latching" so you could leave it in > overdub mode. > > TH > > On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Heck, I didn't even know there was a Rang II. That must be the first one >> with the version 2 software? (the one out now and shown on their website: >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ >> >> It wasn't called multiply, but Stack. I had to look at the manual to >> remember. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:35:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014563BF5D; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WCyiT74tJPQ2+OjHNbJSw7DLhsgOL+iaNOTtcjUPgX8TAGdfIs8ZwzBuO/CaYaez5f7oifex0bes8RBi8ASMT4SJCpxZhFiZcExjA1aNLwnI9ifqZOYdYGdGHXvTY6w70gLEB6kZ8MSZbi6A0GzoSSHOviiDZPcbD8lX3w+3nIo=; X-YMail-OSG: iIMg5FYVM1mo7oOGAnZo.8OCSkN_dMMwFDyOB4dgs7yOFlGTlC05DzgKPJCASJQRos8VxGVnRw8OUu.76bBbPSSiRU3od_lxuGXoJFDM_ABbjzinhg2wdYr_3IViOQ-- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Darren Michaels Subject: Re: rang3 ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13ea01c7e26c$3d9be240$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1760060069-1187534108=:89792" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <64228.89792.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8-oKWC.A.e0D.eUFyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:35:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1760060069-1187534108=:89792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hopefully, the new rang will have a better sound quality than the previous versions. I'm a bass player. Anytime I ran a 'rang thru a full range cabinet, I'd get tons awful hiss thru the horn. I loved the ease of use, but I had to stop using it. darren Krispen Hartung wrote: I am definitely out of my gourde then, and looking forward to the Loop Extend of Rang III. Thanks for the clarification. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: Re: rang3 ? > The Boomerang 2 (it was never actually called that) was the one that > shipped with the v2 software which allowed A/B looping, a programmable > feedback level (instead of the 90% or so that v1 offered) and options > for musical intervals of other than an octave down for the "halfspeed" > feature. > > The Stack feature was their term for Overdub, it didn't do any > multiply. V1 of the software required that you hold the button down > for overdubbing, v2 allowed "latching" so you could leave it in > overdub mode. > > TH > > On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Heck, I didn't even know there was a Rang II. That must be the first one >> with the version 2 software? (the one out now and shown on their website: >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ >> >> It wasn't called multiply, but Stack. I had to look at the manual to >> remember. >> >> > --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-1760060069-1187534108=:89792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hopefully, the new rang will have a better sound quality than the previous versions. I'm a bass player. Anytime I ran a 'rang thru a full range cabinet, I'd get tons awful hiss thru the horn. I loved the ease of use, but I had to stop using it.

darren

Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
I am definitely out of my gourde then, and looking forward to the Loop
Extend of Rang III. Thanks for the clarification.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: rang3 ?


> The Boomerang 2 (it was never actually called that) was the one that
> shipped with the v2 software which allowed A/B looping, a programmable
> feedback level (instead of the 90% or so that v1 offered) and options
> for musical intervals of other than an octave down for the "halfspeed"
> feature.
>
> The Stack feature was their term for Overdub, it didn't do any
> multiply. V1 of the software required that you hold the button down
> for overdubbing, v2 allowed "latching" so you could leave it in
> overdub mode.
>
> TH
>
> On 8/18/07, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Heck, I didn't even know there was a Rang II. That must be the first one
>> with the version 2 software? (the one out now and shown on their website:
>> http://www.boomerangmusic.com/
>>
>> It wasn't called multiply, but Stack. I had to look at the manual to
>> remember.
>>
>>
>


Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-1760060069-1187534108=:89792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 14:35:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA82E3BF6E; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IbwlGbOtGSyoHH1Zkzf5WR6sYBm/j4mNr4A/vK7VWmXGMd4+TZ1bL+AwL5jOy/SO3WTG8gwWCUAZ53wIbdnVabSkP7l4HQm1+LS79rfQWcsd9D619Ej5djSXU8kryCkpdb2MY1xnnHR7Rs5FzNthJAPlKsSKQkXkqyxfLUxYtsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CqNxfvJ6K50v663GCME3H+k6kdwnAj8H4FlXYsbmhdpLGQQTAc2fIaEBJCDBy4w2vkKzsuc0elx2f2uQLMnxHUt+5Pp/6xqu/4ebI2HzGkTkUJ7Kb30GuNwAj8IC0pFXnHmVxCirlISO6+jtXxhHJTGoZxtNyTkfBA+UCUPDUF4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:35:32 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang3 ? In-Reply-To: <13ea01c7e26c$3d9be240$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13a801c7e225$6978cbe0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <13ea01c7e26c$3d9be240$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:35:34 +0000 (UTC) They're looking at Fall '07. I have the features list here somewhere if you need them. On 8/19/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am definitely out of my gourde then, and looking forward to the Loop > Extend of Rang III. Thanks for the clarification. > > Kris > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84203BF52; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Maple Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:09:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) I have no experience with Maple, but MIDI Yoke works well in this application. It is quite old but I'm using it on Vista. It's from the same guy that did MIDI-Ox: www.midiox.com/myoke.htm Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:14:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 771A93BF6E; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: "virtual baggy pants" - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:15:08 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002101c7e27c$1cb737e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfifBxhPJNpI3rBQg+VtZywINT7Aw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJUv0X53Q== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Check this out: http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6 A first mixdown I did of a Ninjam session I had with Os and Daryl Shawn. That's Daryl Shawn (of Chinapainting fame) on the right on acoustic guitar, Os on synth (I suspect) on the left and myself centerstage on drum programming, synth and little bits of electric guitar. Again, one of the few examples I found here of beat-based ninjamming stuff. Have fun! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:51:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2A023BF61; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=H5XD7imO/vKdzkA8x1eKewA0X6MEdBkjdeosWp64STXQhGs0HpvIDUkeR8AIBDXG8J+Bcb2nY/V2/F4JSVX6SsdaAF1vt6H3U8vEDKMmQDFRuNfbiRQMYqYUKX1Ez6OSAOmtwHaX3647nnG36cQRgWuraC8aJmWYYDtrPtv5BUo=; X-YMail-OSG: 6shEcYMVM1l1L0V9uAngSsFDiI4wAucaOJuJFSqM6AZ6lEkXa.Bya3weTn6C.VRz82hyJKzPs4Ps6PXoHBXjlJZMUMzE8xENNMBiP395BE0cD5Fg_sowswvjWAY- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:51:44 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:51:46 +0000 (UTC) -> > Hi ! > > I would like to know and understand more about > Hassells music. Are there something written on this > subject? Like what are this harmoni-structure on - > lets say, "open secrets" ? How does he think and > approach when improvising? > > best regards Rune F - Norway > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 16:56:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA273BF19; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=k5OWtsKvUeFFSg1Y1PhTJem0M5AtyIwKrryrq4yk55mcc3ISSo9TxiX3OiJCOBxUYawb7Fpx/v8IKRKRTl4SRz/AITK4IAR2m/Hz/xMUAPwcdlIOtwDBioqUjOoHWSk00PiAzW+2bhFoBk+qDFh8+cMj3y+0Id8ZBnEGoiVYleU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O4zmXn8QgLeT+wHCSpZOccRXGlCQWuuaStq+pPJMcbP8Z04ibIyu4JKnXj/cc0SnqNvg3QMQHBxtBcD5QjkiYob8Hf3XX4DbNN9yhS963zlOzNl1Py+EUvTlF1gfjhzVz2PCPkKLNKkABFyQf3/DlJxk3XGTY0h9bZN7QhofYg0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Vista (Re: Maple) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7yCQQ.A.2a.-YHyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) On 19 aug 2007, at 18.09, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > I have no experience with Maple, but MIDI Yoke works well in this > application. > It is quite old but I'm using it on Vista. It's from the same guy > that did MIDI-Ox: > www.midiox.com/myoke.htm > > Jeff Hey - is Mobius running well under Vista? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0778C3BF6B; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jRmHRicNSqXyh3YaFImvEjLupjWNXV95V7o4nehl4WljkItis5emug/4ylP7QN4FKoxTGRX5ai+c2AbPyBQASdcFfsXOPTOzNfNTjGqhTIRjdOSrxv7TtRzPrMTRUdt2ZHIoXYcBBWQD+ooee2iiyyo8wtK/UNUNekoWospYt8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NcQRbMtqnVCoxNql7p4P6UWu7jVaS5e5TSx47wtGkCJPd/ZDCssV9dRYZKj4FgVW5ADGjxCMPYmnP7Ry90Nw+TGljOdpHpCnJahc7U/4rCOb/VdDuI5LCTFyJuyAdLfEbkk7Hu21SeGywTlhMtEYpfEFPnDFOcqfUrUfejSLg10= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:23:15 +0000 (UTC) On 19 aug 2007, at 18.51, rune fagereng wrote: >> I would like to know and understand more about >> Hassells music. Are there something written on this >> subject? Like what are this harmoni-structure on - >> lets say, "open secrets" ? How does he think and >> approach when improvising? There's some texts at his web site and some articles on the internet, that you should find by Google. As far as I remember no one have asked him those questions though... or maybe he refuses to answer. At least I know he started out studying singing with this Indian male singer I can't remember the name of right now. After a wile Jon started bringing his trumpet, instead of singing, to the lectures. In India you learn by playing/singing together with the master by trying to copy the phrasing. So what he has always been doing is actually to play trumpet as close as possible to the particular Indian vocal singing tradition (sorry, don't know much about Indian vocal tradition either). When coming back (to New York, I think it was) he wanted to expand his playing into a "music style" by adding drums. He took the decision to not fall back on the Indian tabla tradition because he felt it would be too much of the same spice crammed into the same sandwich (oops, my expression ;-) and that's why he looked to African rhythms. He recorded the Burundi Drummers (West African..?) and simply flew them into some tracks on the multi track tape recorder to go along with his "indian singing" trumpet lines (sometimes adding a fifth by harmonizer). Myself I have always loved the way these hand drumming does not play a certain beat pattern (rather sounding like thunder or zebras running by etc) and maybe the explanation to this is that his early recordings were created with this collage technique? I don't know if he played the trumpet lines listening to those zebra-thunder-no-beat-drumming-clatter-cluster or if he recorded the trumpet first and then spliced in the drumming tape later? Would be nice to find out the truth about that. I'm not sure there is much "harmony structure" at all in his music? I don't know about his inner ways of approaching improvisation but to my ears it sounds very Indian, like the Raga tradition; using a theme an stretching it into different directions during different parts of the evolving piece. That music is more about Time than Harmony. On last thing; very early he mounted the term "Coffee Colored Music" as a way to describe the music he wanted to do. He meant that he takes influences from all cultures and colors and if you mix all colors of the entire world it would end up as - coffee colored. This was "world music for the future" before that term "world music" was even invented by media. Think I reached the bottom of my all too thin Hassel knowledge by that - over and out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7955B3BF3D; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c7e287$411a6660$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:34:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC) His bio is on his website. (very impressive, Per!) Tom http://www.jonhassell.com/bio.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach > On 19 aug 2007, at 18.51, rune fagereng wrote: > >>> I would like to know and understand more about >>> Hassells music. Are there something written on this >>> subject? Like what are this harmoni-structure on - >>> lets say, "open secrets" ? How does he think and >>> approach when improvising? > > > There's some texts at his web site and some articles on the internet, > that you should find by Google. As far as I remember no one have asked > him those questions though... or maybe he refuses to answer. At least I > know he started out studying singing with this Indian male singer I can't > remember the name of right now. After a wile Jon started bringing his > trumpet, instead of singing, to the lectures. In India you learn by > playing/singing together with the master by trying to copy the phrasing. > So what he has always been doing is actually to play trumpet as close as > possible to the particular Indian vocal singing tradition (sorry, don't > know much about Indian vocal tradition either). When coming back (to New > York, I think it was) he wanted to expand his playing into a "music > style" by adding drums. He took the decision to not fall back on the > Indian tabla tradition because he felt it would be too much of the same > spice crammed into the same sandwich (oops, my expression ;-) and that's > why he looked to African rhythms. He recorded the Burundi Drummers (West > African..?) and simply flew them into some tracks on the multi track tape > recorder to go along with his "indian singing" trumpet lines (sometimes > adding a fifth by harmonizer). Myself I have always loved the way these > hand drumming does not play a certain beat pattern (rather sounding like > thunder or zebras running by etc) and maybe the explanation to this is > that his early recordings were created with this collage technique? I > don't know if he played the trumpet lines listening to those > zebra-thunder-no-beat-drumming-clatter-cluster or if he recorded the > trumpet first and then spliced in the drumming tape later? Would be nice > to find out the truth about that. > > I'm not sure there is much "harmony structure" at all in his music? I > don't know about his inner ways of approaching improvisation but to my > ears it sounds very Indian, like the Raga tradition; using a theme an > stretching it into different directions during different parts of the > evolving piece. That music is more about Time than Harmony. > > On last thing; very early he mounted the term "Coffee Colored Music" as a > way to describe the music he wanted to do. He meant that he takes > influences from all cultures and colors and if you mix all colors of the > entire world it would end up as - coffee colored. This was "world music > for the future" before that term "world music" was even invented by > media. > > Think I reached the bottom of my all too thin Hassel knowledge by that - > over and out. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:45:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D81E3BF32; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=05q3GcmiegO1m+p/nCwal1R8QfvYAxOTPRFXwjUAOHzn0SODiJ7T0h/hxF1oh5DIOFlX66kbBwK2kL6xpCH1RwTZu9k7eeNRl8NeDlpFLnJYrxA3sQtOZdXvzCCYYrguvroHw6HrX3YTis/6xqkhJSd45ZbLRCTBB+4Xjfdhquk=; X-YMail-OSG: GYR6QDIVM1lWhVHrRwbZTW6KbfV9M0gOwYYzgjEh4E35mDtKgANXOT84hwoj2yc2AAgwftQ0CF1XirTvNA4TE0BdeaUkweXAjw62fwasPpCAa1_c_Gdfb0ZwlHg- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:45:21 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vs: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <315874.59642.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6DMlpC.A.CHC.3GIyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Boysen ! I also got a tip on a book. Rune F There's a bit on Jon in David Toop's book Ocean of Sound.. A wonderful book I'm sure any Hassell fan would enjoy! Chris --- Per Boysen skrev: > Fra: Per Boysen > Emne: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic > structures/improvisation-approach > Dato: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:07 +0200 > Til: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > On 19 aug 2007, at 18.51, rune fagereng wrote: > > >> I would like to know and understand more about > >> Hassells music. Are there something written on > this > >> subject? Like what are this harmoni-structure on > - > >> lets say, "open secrets" ? How does he think and > >> approach when improvising? > > > There's some texts at his web site and some articles > on the internet, > that you should find by Google. As far as I remember > no one have > asked him those questions though... or maybe he > refuses to answer. At > least I know he started out studying singing with > this Indian male > singer I can't remember the name of right now. After > a wile Jon > started bringing his trumpet, instead of singing, to > the lectures. In > India you learn by playing/singing together with the > master by trying > to copy the phrasing. So what he has always been > doing is actually to > play trumpet as close as possible to the particular > Indian vocal > singing tradition (sorry, don't know much about > Indian vocal > tradition either). When coming back (to New York, I > think it was) he > wanted to expand his playing into a "music style" by > adding drums. He > took the decision to not fall back on the Indian > tabla tradition > because he felt it would be too much of the same > spice crammed into > the same sandwich (oops, my expression ;-) and > that's why he looked > to African rhythms. He recorded the Burundi Drummers > (West > African..?) and simply flew them into some tracks on > the multi track > tape recorder to go along with his "indian singing" > trumpet lines > (sometimes adding a fifth by harmonizer). Myself I > have always loved > the way these hand drumming does not play a certain > beat pattern > (rather sounding like thunder or zebras running by > etc) and maybe the > explanation to this is that his early recordings > were created with > this collage technique? I don't know if he played > the trumpet lines > listening to those > zebra-thunder-no-beat-drumming-clatter-cluster or > if he recorded the trumpet first and then spliced in > the drumming > tape later? Would be nice to find out the truth > about that. > > I'm not sure there is much "harmony structure" at > all in his music? I > don't know about his inner ways of approaching > improvisation but to > my ears it sounds very Indian, like the Raga > tradition; using a theme > an stretching it into different directions during > different parts of > the evolving piece. That music is more about Time > than Harmony. > > On last thing; very early he mounted the term > "Coffee Colored Music" > as a way to describe the music he wanted to do. He > meant that he > takes influences from all cultures and colors and if > you mix all > colors of the entire world it would end up as - > coffee colored. This > was "world music for the future" before that term > "world music" was > even invented by media. > > Think I reached the bottom of my all too thin Hassel > knowledge by > that - over and out. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:45:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0533BF27; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C881D3.8030500@biink.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:45:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach References: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > > There's some texts at his web site and some articles on the internet, > that you should find by Google. As far as I remember no one have > asked him those questions though... or maybe he refuses to answer. At > least I know he started out studying singing with this Indian male > singer I can't remember the name of right now. Pandit Pran Nath. > After a wile Jon started bringing his trumpet, instead of singing, to > the lectures. In India you learn by playing/singing together with the > master by trying to copy the phrasing. So what he has always been > doing is actually to play trumpet as close as possible to the > particular Indian vocal singing tradition (sorry, don't know much > about Indian vocal tradition either). Kirana gharana. http://melafoundation.org/ppn.htm -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:49:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB633BF38; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0zb1z3yxrYP42EYn2XwLCPDdW77SomTHMQ66gzrLJsvITeGPXiinLXv2d5v044QBjR9chkecqvtlYYzppfY3sImw5srv4f7dcsEPldcNMspM+MsZ4c+HrhAUfzrg9laux7ceF4//owY8tu/gmz57Pl5TPN8ghthKdL5TNTt/5kA=; X-YMail-OSG: 0r4ZhVwVM1lsAvQUh5sWJ8dR_SEBxYQM.7J6OdfOASmO02TArqjW.biKp0AHog5wW5iDQDF8pj8I13WSje45dHO_gLQhxN8N99lUhXrqw2CXMKgl4kCjWgSBtoQ- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:49:25 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Hassell and Toop at punkt-festival To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <96373.44415.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi! Both Hassell ang Toop plays in Norway next weeek. http://www.punktfestival.no/index.php?articleid=17&expand=8 RF --- rune fagereng skrev: > Dato: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:45:21 +0200 (CEST) > Fra: rune fagereng > Emne: Vs: Re: any written material on Hassell`s > harmonic structures/improvisation-approach > Til: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Thanks Boysen ! > > I also got a tip on a book. > Rune F > > There's a bit on Jon in David Toop's book Ocean of > Sound.. A wonderful book I'm sure any Hassell fan > would enjoy! > > Chris > --- Per Boysen skrev: > > > Fra: Per Boysen > > Emne: Re: any written material on Hassell`s > harmonic > > structures/improvisation-approach > > Dato: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:07 +0200 > > Til: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > On 19 aug 2007, at 18.51, rune fagereng wrote: > > > > >> I would like to know and understand more about > > >> Hassells music. Are there something written on > > this > > >> subject? Like what are this harmoni-structure > on > > - > > >> lets say, "open secrets" ? How does he think > and > > >> approach when improvising? > > > > > > There's some texts at his web site and some > articles > > on the internet, > > that you should find by Google. As far as I > remember > > no one have > > asked him those questions though... or maybe he > > refuses to answer. At > > least I know he started out studying singing with > > this Indian male > > singer I can't remember the name of right now. > After > > a wile Jon > > started bringing his trumpet, instead of singing, > to > > the lectures. In > > India you learn by playing/singing together with > the > > master by trying > > to copy the phrasing. So what he has always been > > doing is actually to > > play trumpet as close as possible to the > particular > > Indian vocal > > singing tradition (sorry, don't know much about > > Indian vocal > > tradition either). When coming back (to New York, > I > > think it was) he > > wanted to expand his playing into a "music style" > by > > adding drums. He > > took the decision to not fall back on the Indian > > tabla tradition > > because he felt it would be too much of the same > > spice crammed into > > the same sandwich (oops, my expression ;-) and > > that's why he looked > > to African rhythms. He recorded the Burundi > Drummers > > (West > > African..?) and simply flew them into some tracks > on > > the multi track > > tape recorder to go along with his "indian > singing" > > trumpet lines > > (sometimes adding a fifth by harmonizer). Myself I > > have always loved > > the way these hand drumming does not play a > certain > > beat pattern > > (rather sounding like thunder or zebras running by > > etc) and maybe the > > explanation to this is that his early recordings > > were created with > > this collage technique? I don't know if he played > > the trumpet lines > > listening to those > > zebra-thunder-no-beat-drumming-clatter-cluster or > > > if he recorded the trumpet first and then spliced > in > > the drumming > > tape later? Would be nice to find out the truth > > about that. > > > > I'm not sure there is much "harmony structure" at > > all in his music? I > > don't know about his inner ways of approaching > > improvisation but to > > my ears it sounds very Indian, like the Raga > > tradition; using a theme > > an stretching it into different directions during > > different parts of > > the evolving piece. That music is more about Time > > than Harmony. > > > > On last thing; very early he mounted the term > > "Coffee Colored Music" > > as a way to describe the music he wanted to do. He > > meant that he > > takes influences from all cultures and colors and > if > > you mix all > > colors of the entire world it would end up as - > > coffee colored. This > > was "world music for the future" before that term > > "world music" was > > even invented by media. > > > > Think I reached the bottom of my all too thin > Hassel > > knowledge by > > that - over and out. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A703BF38; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jGkIbcgBxlbptPDRl5vcpKATf094KH2TO5DMDuGY1ut4tt6PguxemuptVFHVUQzNhvAOsFfKEIeaSjf5P2tjjV7d6HRczss+4ASZQjlokWal0C5tfryhUcF3sid/F+svvwz8466LN5t/YpBHbqiauFGDUCh3esE/P67wdW6YolY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Af1xe8u9dZFx+kfzPIbLyQ7WBgTX1Ewu7ZYWyzX9Re6xsCA81g038nbZ4s96DAnAxichvzi4ATN0XnwyawAHxApLwny1KXjk9gL9Kin5sZUr/73Ia42XMFJwoLygabeWhB4kY+l/gHqfD2lw+kabIYdxxg2iF9SQcNwsWer8LA8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <315874.59642.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <315874.59642.qm@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C6682DF-4703-41C1-B6F3-35F36C2BE62A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vs: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:49:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) On 19 aug 2007, at 19.45, rune fagereng wrote: > There's a bit on Jon in David Toop's book Ocean of > Sound.. A wonderful book I'm sure any Hassell fan > would enjoy! Thanks. If I ever get bored with listening to his music I might look for that book to read about it as for a change :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 17:58:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B33F3BF33; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mrW5Ekqx4ay+7zj3PReafI5GcgZWH0A+FQ2eHl1wfa8x9czRFmw+siLB7f1x5ZPSWNEWzU79lgZHxcfZXb87iGwVjui+wd+287KEt1ywiX41Bbiqis7+ah5lf+GpCoecQl2b87ndM1NSdiZW3V2QI0h2Xz8zEkHuJnv3H0j7uq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LUYi5KFOL+KSoSSIc1P084lOtMREbQPi8xNilJM0uVEjG0EUCRyU9kkiCFdXndRnQqFYh7O4zU+yQGihBr2LZiD6EItuhhVXZgKlolI77e+NRkW/NAs+hugMtFwCtwSsIsUTxkqnLCw4/qEnBDdegruqZJSBHrfWG6kslif2GyQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <96373.44415.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <96373.44415.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hassell and Toop at punkt-festival Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:58:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:58:20 +0000 (UTC) On 19 aug 2007, at 19.49, rune fagereng wrote: > Both Hassell ang Toop plays in Norway next weeek. > http://www.punktfestival.no/index.php?articleid=17&expand=8 And Arve Henriksen!!! Wow, what a lineup! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 19:00:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ED0A3BF52; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CFF3972-D925-4BB2-96EB-34830D3682E2@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Vista (Re: Maple) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:00:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) > Hey - is Mobius running well under Vista? I've been doing all development under Vista for about 6 months. Mobius, Bidule, Live 5, AudioMulch, Sonar, FL Studio, all seem to run fine. I had to hunt for device drivers for some of my older hardware like the Novation Remote 25 but the applications all seem to run without modification. But as we know, there's a difference between just being able to run and running well under stress. I haven't really tried to find the limits yet. Vista is an absolute pig so I wouldn't dream of buying a Vista machine for audio with less than 2GB memory. Just sitting around now with a couple of browsers open there is 845 MB being used. If I kill off everything it drops to 760 MB just to sit there doing nothing but run device drivers and look pretty. The machine is an upper mid-range Gateway, Intel 6600 dual core at 2.40 GHz with 2GB memory and an NVIDIA 7600 GS. I would recommend at least 128MB on the graphics card to make sure you don't start allocating system RAM for graphics. It feels nice and responsive even with all the fancy graphics turned on. I did however have to spend a lot of time figuring out ways to disable the "security" features which out of the box seem to pop up and demand an anal probe every 5 minutes. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 19:24:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7253BF38; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XQiklIiVcMZCP5rosPd3ZWRCAE2kkV/YMewBKtsVYTnfIQnt0pJyoBAgYSnbQj0Q4AipPSStHefOg+cXhiUPQ3wAqNhWFCA8L9l6ixaksMvRLxp5yeal8VU8VscZfwEbt7h/QPGN7wH67NGhaFjxUb6RFvZyNkJOCefK6qAl+24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GuMCECCRGCOCN+m3etyY96Jfl4U4H/AWRR15YVpiO/NRKoxu5Dln7zZlZ01CIDK5aWDvGiCL0xNpLC9dFdXylY79y6koS5UMezIAphoReDzHauBZm/uam1X+ivrMa2OTeitA1vqIrIFeq5acC9Kel6ETRgoek1DnUnd6yBhTeSw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6CFF3972-D925-4BB2-96EB-34830D3682E2@zonemobius.com> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> <6CFF3972-D925-4BB2-96EB-34830D3682E2@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <407B5104-7B87-4816-80DC-646E7768A18B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: First FCB1010 malfunctioning in five years Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:24:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Pedal calibration resets all pads to MIDI channel 1. I just discovered my first malfunctioning of the eminent but slightly overweight MIDI control pedal board Behringer FCB1010. Except that my first FCB died after four years this is the only issue I have had with this cheap pedal. A week ago I decided to set up a patch in Bidule that duplicates some of my favorite EDP functions with the Augustus Looper plug-in and I have been working on the Mac since then on this patch. So today I finally had enough of programming and felt that I just had to commit some fearless looping activities with Mobius or I would go insane. When I booted up the PC none of my Mobius MIDI bindings worked.... bummer. Must be at least a hundred. So I popped the FCB into the Mac and had a look in MIDI Monitor and: Oops - everything is sending over MIDI Channel 1 instead of 10, 14 and 13 that I had set up my FCB for. And the stupid part of this is that I had been programming some seriously brain hurting stuff in Bidule on the Mac without even thinking twice about my FCB pedals sending over new channels. So now I need to go into the damn pedal's global mode to change two MIDI Channels whenever I move from Bidule on my PC to Bidule on my Mac. Dammit! ;-) So, as for the bottom line, before this Mac week I noticed that the MIDI expression pedals did not send all the values when sweeping some parameter so I calibrated the FCB. Obviously the pedal calibration did a reset of all "pads" to MIDI Channel 1. This was not the way my first FCB behaved, so I thought I would mention it here because it's a new "FCB bug" and many of you are using this pedal. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 19:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB433BF38; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C89D01.8000306@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:41:53 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: "virtual baggy pants" - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, thanks for posting this. Great title! This was terribly fun, I rarely get to play along with beats and with all the nice keyboard and guitar textures, I ended up fooling around more with cassette abuse than usual. Ya'll both play with such taste and restraint that it was really a treat. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Check this out: > > http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6 > > > A first mixdown I did of a Ninjam session I had with Os and Daryl Shawn. > > That's Daryl Shawn (of Chinapainting fame) on the right on acoustic guitar, > Os on synth (I suspect) on the left and myself centerstage on drum > programming, synth and little bits of electric guitar. > > Again, one of the few examples I found here of beat-based ninjamming stuff. > > Have fun! > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 21:04:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 968CE3BF59; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C8B056.601@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:04:22 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First FCB1010 malfunctioning in five years References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> <6CFF3972-D925-4BB2-96EB-34830D3682E2@zonemobius.com> <407B5104-7B87-4816-80DC-646E7768A18B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <407B5104-7B87-4816-80DC-646E7768A18B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <45pT0C.A.GK.aBLyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, this is indeed a bug in Behringer firmware v.2.4 and later. Before that version, you needed to go through a complete "selftest", including LED and switch tests, before you could start pedal calibration. (the selftest was initiated by keeping keys 1+3 pressed during startup) The newer firmware added a shortcut to do only pedal calibration (keeping 1+5 keys pressed during startup) , but the code for that new function has some bugs, causing the global settings to get cleared.... It's a bug which was mentioned some time ago on the UnO forum (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010_uno/message/1108) , because the bug reporter first thought it was related to the UnO firmware. Apparently the work-around is to use the full selftest instead of the newer calibration method (or make a backup of your global settings before calibrating...) Grtz, Xavier Per Boysen wrote: > Pedal calibration resets all pads to MIDI channel 1. > > I just discovered my first malfunctioning of the eminent but slightly > overweight MIDI control pedal board Behringer FCB1010. Except that my > first FCB died after four years this is the only issue I have had with > this cheap pedal. A week ago I decided to set up a patch in Bidule > that duplicates some of my favorite EDP functions with the Augustus > Looper plug-in and I have been working on the Mac since then on this > patch. So today I finally had enough of programming and felt that I > just had to commit some fearless looping activities with Mobius or I > would go insane. When I booted up the PC none of my Mobius MIDI > bindings worked.... bummer. Must be at least a hundred. So I popped > the FCB into the Mac and had a look in MIDI Monitor and: Oops - > everything is sending over MIDI Channel 1 instead of 10, 14 and 13 > that I had set up my FCB for. And the stupid part of this is that I > had been programming some seriously brain hurting stuff in Bidule on > the Mac without even thinking twice about my FCB pedals sending over > new channels. So now I need to go into the damn pedal's global mode to > change two MIDI Channels whenever I move from Bidule on my PC to > Bidule on my Mac. Dammit! ;-) So, as for the bottom line, before this > Mac week I noticed that the MIDI expression pedals did not send all > the values when sweeping some parameter so I calibrated the FCB. > Obviously the pedal calibration did a reset of all "pads" to MIDI > Channel 1. This was not the way my first FCB behaved, so I thought I > would mention it here because it's a new "FCB bug" and many of you are > using this pedal. > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 21:22:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01FD33BF2D; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Message-id: <03f301c7e2a6$c96f46b0$0200000a@remwaves> From: "Torstein H.Rem" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:20:37 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Here's a clip of Ned Evett playing one of his modified Fernandez gtr's - with a glass fretboard and onboard sustainiac. Playing over a short reversed tanpura like loop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiF4DtDyyA Maybe someone should send him a doublenecked Epiphone SG to get it converted. http://cgi.ebay.com/Epiphone-Doubleneck-12-6-String-Guitar_W0QQitemZ180149738991QQihZ008QQcategoryZ33037QQcmdZViewItem Glass Neck Conversion Price: $499.00 http://www.fretlessguitar.com/guitarsite/home.html > At 10:59 AM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: So I'm hoping for making me a second fretless guitar in the future, with a finger board of some extremely hard wood, metal or glass. > Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's another > thought: go for a 12-string. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 22:35:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 146E13BF52; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009c01c7e2b1$3db613a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <600904.35723.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <004001c7e287$411a6660$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: any written material on Hassell`s harmonic structures/improvisation-approach Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:35:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LPpAjox6BVeHIpxKJtE09dUjY4XZjuFeCqV8 Gojmg1ADCu74HS2ec7slbiUzL1iKlmBF9jxH/7ER8NprW+0NIf oBqVcO077zJs0cswuBPROLTFx69k2r5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) i heard (and observed) hassell playing some keyboard in a concert last summer. he played the same fiths he would use in his improvisations on trumpet - playing one note with left, one with the right hand. sweet stage presence he had, the old man. he obviously has checked out the possibilities of parallel fifths thoroughly, not only on trumpet. to me he is the only guy who sounds really good going parallel that way. he manages to leave out the undesired effect of random harminization, so i guess he knows exactly which intervals are the tacky or ugly one's and avoids them. what i can hear is that he uses pretty clear/simple harmonic material like pentatonics, but superimposing a different harmonic center. just an example: play Bb minor pentatonic over a C minor chord. or B minor pentatonic over a C major chord. (on F# the upper fifth will give you a b9...this would probably be one of the avoid notes for hassell) tilmann ps: he seemed kind of gloomy that night. i wondered if he was sick or had just recently recovered from some illness. anybody know how he is? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 19 23:34:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3283BF42; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:34:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Thanks again Per for your advices...i managed to establish midiclock sync between Augustus and Live. But I could not achieve the goal of recording the following loops in sync with the first one. What i am doing wrong? Can you explain me step by step? Idiot proof style.... This is becoming frustrating....i always thought that preparing a live looping setup on ableton live....would be a more straightfoward thing. But it seems almost impossible... Thanks again Peri for your help....and anyone else willing to share the secret of how to live loop with ableton live. Ana On Aug 18, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 aug 2007, at 20.20, jnd wrote: > >> Hi again Per ... >> >> Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow >> your instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his >> tempo as a midiclock? > > 1. Open the plug-in's GUI. > 2. Click the "About/Register" button. > 3. Select the "MIDI output" box. > 4. Either save your host and launch Live again or delete the plug- > in from the plug-in slot and open a new instance of it. This is for > the change to take effect. > > Augustus Loop now opens a virtual MIDI Port that is named "Augustus > Loop 1" by Ableton Live's MIDI/sync preferences. If you open a > second plug-in, on another Live track, it will show up as "Augustus > Loop 2". You should only use the first one as the Sync Master > though, so be sure to activate the green Host Tempo button in the > plug-in's GUI. > >> Greetings from Portugal > > Cool! I've been to Lisboa a couple of times and once lived four > months on Kap Verde (former Portuguese colony and still very > influenced, the vibe somewhere between Portugal and Africa) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 00:32:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FBD33BF61; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=G9jt8bTgYqv1/aF/cXTh5rHKz9B44zrpH4cK7XE/y+zQyOOVWnpfhf4p0bNO67QjoFVlYA51ZBalBcNto/DcjPVD1IPiQ6la8IQObckcWC/5difnWH08zVWZM9D/Ud/ViUnZ0LXjUOAseEFka+17tVTEiiKiV44g/siOcwRxx1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=VKjUwmLM9umSLtPQwpAVkaIgEo5zIW6HxRlf78aPkQZDHGUS7wzAPbFf2YYn2MYEG2WWYS3nuPjLV0Ed0TEDpFDWmZUBC9ZvTGMQuLzyPZLcfEhv3aA2CvxqXAP7/6gCg4rCkLuKoIl00z5DXbFXvX4VnulTbcIB80BtDu7vX8E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <58F1AB21-B955-40FD-BFD1-62340D7A07C9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Marco Santos Subject: live looping Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:15:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi people... I would like to know how I can do live looping with ableton live like I do with the pedal Boss RC-20XL.. I mean, when i do a loop with the RC-20XL, I dont have any metronome to follow and he assume the first loop like the master loop, so all the loops that i do after will be synchronized with the first one... but with the ableton live I cant do this... Please let me know... thanks... Marco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 00:36:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299DF3BF52; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c7e101$4badd990$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <09f101c7e10b$4688aa80$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F368608-53CB-47D1-913F-1D9A1370AB68@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: NI gtr rig looping Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:36:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:36:33 +0000 (UTC) GR-2 has a loop machine that has many of the features of the rang and jamman it has been easy to use with the dedicated controller so it would be with any midi controller it is simple and designed specifically as a live looper > > I would not advice anyone to waste time in trying to loop with the > built-in cassette tape rack simulation. It seems to be rather > targeting guitar players that want to learn licks by repeating them > against an original audio clip certainly true but using the loop machine tool in the current version is a very dif story and thats what i was talking about i'm using it in hi rez on a G5 2x2G, agreed i think the sound is very good, i'm looking at warming it up a bit, i'm running it thru a pair of EV SxA100s it is punchy, solid sound as you said the efx are fantastic, i have been trying not to give in to myself and lock myself away for a month just to write sounds, i have work to do dammit but the options are staggering i'm not as thrilled about the models and cabs as some folks, i already have some nice DI sounds and will still use just a little of my analog gear as a front end but i wanted to mention that the looping in particular seems very good i think anyone looking to check out a SW looper would not be wasting their time at all to check out GR-2 it also has a harmonic synth module that is good at creating a bass sound off the guitar and handy for looping, you can switch sounds on the fly without effecting the status of the looper so you can do an awful lot just in GR2 in building a loop ya freaked me out just as i was diggin into it - i'm the sensitive sort ;-) but after spending the last 2 days looping with it, unless i'm missin something, i think its looping capabilities are one of its strong points check out the loop machine in the tools section imo it is a very good real time looper peace steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 02:11:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 439223BF52; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14a901c7e2cf$6010f460$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000201c7de3c$79d932f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <030EF159-4D78-4CE1-99EA-E65A5E3C7BCE@gmail.com> <03f301c7e2a6$c96f46b0$0200000a@remwaves> Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:11:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <0WLj-B.A.0aH._gPyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) More on Ned here, who happens to live here in Boise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Torstein H.Rem" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > Here's a clip of Ned Evett playing one of his modified Fernandez gtr's - > with a glass fretboard and onboard sustainiac. > Playing over a short reversed tanpura like loop. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiF4DtDyyA > > Maybe someone should send him a doublenecked Epiphone SG to get it > converted. > http://cgi.ebay.com/Epiphone-Doubleneck-12-6-String-Guitar_W0QQitemZ180149738991QQihZ008QQcategoryZ33037QQcmdZViewItem > > Glass Neck Conversion Price: $499.00 > http://www.fretlessguitar.com/guitarsite/home.html > > > > >> At 10:59 AM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: > So I'm hoping for making me > a second fretless guitar in the future, with a finger board of some > extremely hard wood, metal or glass. > >> Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's another >> thought: go for a 12-string. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 02:12:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EB83BF6F; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14ae01c7e2cf$909351f0$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:12:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:12:32 +0000 (UTC) More on Ned here, who happens to live here in Boise. Super nice guy. Amazing guitarist. http://www.nedevett.com/ "Ned Evett burns brightly on his trademark glass-fingerboard fretless guitars. Guitar Player Magazine refers to him as the world's first fretless guitar rockstar." "It's been over fifteen years since Evett gave his first fretless performance. His continuing history includes over 700 concerts performed in the United States, Canada, England, Ireland, France, Italy, and Australia on eighteen solo tours." Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Torstein H.Rem" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Sparce 'n Spacey, part 2: fretless guitar > > >> Here's a clip of Ned Evett playing one of his modified Fernandez gtr's - >> with a glass fretboard and onboard sustainiac. >> Playing over a short reversed tanpura like loop. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiF4DtDyyA >> >> Maybe someone should send him a doublenecked Epiphone SG to get it >> converted. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Epiphone-Doubleneck-12-6-String-Guitar_W0QQitemZ180149738991QQihZ008QQcategoryZ33037QQcmdZViewItem >> >> Glass Neck Conversion Price: $499.00 >> http://www.fretlessguitar.com/guitarsite/home.html >> >> >> >> >>> At 10:59 AM +0200 8/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: >> So I'm hoping for making me >> a second fretless guitar in the future, with a finger board of some >> extremely hard wood, metal or glass. >> >>> Per, if you're going to tackle making a second fretless, here's another >>> thought: go for a 12-string. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 03:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040C13BF3A; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I0QF3io1Wmn+KL+ytiCbR7Pqd1IwVlg5ycWkS7u6llKoDvqdfH2scq6upyqyyNNHYQXhrqpRl9TBxf2WTyuhS8rGLXKG7mu+pBifaa3Xf5KZ2kSIzXspVeG8wDKNWZu/aE2Jvl133ppE4/IQ3FxS/fQxo4TyEavXjcSt3L0jCCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F59r7Xy2wJAGxoHt8P8Gh6E9A2XPA85m0UgvqMT+41jj2su3ZHohYCEhMyqpAbRE1LT6Q4WWIy++4cyUv+XAT8o7bP8QGpYLvy4cv+KgZkaUOJfVkjbUGH6Z11iC5y/51XH6rvjJzFfA4jjsAeuyQjjE7DepOnJcGx+93YSjVWY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:34:38 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maple In-Reply-To: <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_90067_30163162.1187580878337" References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <9DF6CFD4-2823-4A52-BE7E-5F9005EF8363@zerocrossing.net> <42F391F7-646A-4E59-81A0-22CB5BDD8EA6@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:34:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_90067_30163162.1187580878337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark - yes, that's the virtual MIDI thing I use with XP. There was some reason why I used it instead of MIDI Yoke at one point, and I just stuck with it. Doug On 8/19/07, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > I have no experience with Maple, but MIDI Yoke works well in this > application. > It is quite old but I'm using it on Vista. It's from the same guy > that did MIDI-Ox: > www.midiox.com/myoke.htm > > Jeff > > > ------=_Part_90067_30163162.1187580878337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark - yes, that's the virtual MIDI thing I use with XP.

There was some reason why I used it instead of MIDI Yoke at one point, and I just stuck with it. 

Doug

On 8/19/07, Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> wrote:

I have no experience with Maple, but MIDI Yoke works well in this
application.
It is quite old but I'm using it on Vista.   It's from the same guy
that did MIDI-Ox:
www.midiox.com/myoke.htm

Jeff



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 07:04:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17E43BF37; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.212] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hassell Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:04:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2007 07:04:10.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EF786C0:01C7E2F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Jon Hassell is excellent. I want to be in a group that can play stuff like Power Spot I belive he's Canadian based in Toronto.He played in Terry Riley's Ensemble way before he did the Indian phrasing through eventide harmonizer with processed hand drums stuff. His vocla teacher was Pran Nath who Riley also studied with. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 07:57:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87423BF37; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=emaB0REZL+CzTB55zD7s/6M1yWPl231dDYW4cEEjYQ7WQEIGkYgkukWNHpJpDs6vmCKuL19DpsauOcvBDomu7rx7+6vDJ1IICYqzAxO5yfe5vAR8q2TQDBZHQaEiRqkbk2otK6xwO5k01kGx0o0I12efEnMjZKm0qzOo5mJPIQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R8KCF8fI03FN6HEYbTtp1gQRfFOUdaopnQ6AIx8UfXf6AYA67C7eA1px5XbhWQsT07ed7XyhfDJ9qvUudSPjOXfiwO5rEOQtWkkrSsrBL2/cF2tD+kH4KCiSwkf0xS6jI+NutXajQuphT/C+V8ty5REBJy4rwBslYnCOV6B8XDk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:57:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Ableton Live is not very accurate when in the Sync Slave position because it applies a bit of rounding to the incoming tempo. That's why Augustus Loop has this setting "Rounding tempos for Live" that you should activate. On the rare occasions I loop with Augustus under Live I use to run two loopers in parallel and ususally they stay in sync well, one being the Sync Master for the host LIve as well as the other Augustus Loop looper. If I do a lot of REverse or changing of the Beat Devisor one looper might slip a quarter note or so but then I bring it back into the music by some Revers fiddling or simply kick Tap Record and redo the loops right on the spot. There are two concepts of looping in Augustus. Either you keep the input all up and activate Freeze Loop when you don't want the loop to layer the incoming signal or you keep selected the Punch In and PUnch Out buttons to do all substituting Redord that is also quantized. Or you combine both methods. In live you can set up MIDI Clips that send the commands into Augustus Loop and trig those MIDI Clips from external MIDI foot pedals. YOu can also assign the MIDI foot pedals directly to the Augustus' parameters or do a combination. Regard "having Live and Augustus Loop" as the starting point from where you may design your own looping system. I think Live/Augustus is nice for music that gain from a loose timing and I find it very fun to play for a "glitchy and experimental sound", although I prefer the looper Mobius (unfortunately it runs under Windows, but now that's not a big problem for todays' intel Macs that can boot Win as well by the BootCamp utility). An improtant feature that i miss in all Mac loopers of today is the Next Loop and Previous Loop function. I like to work with five alternative loops on two, or more, parallel tracks and then jump between these loops to simultaneously build up and change up to five "song parts". To do that with Augustus or SooperLooper you need to open a new instance of the looper plug-in for every loop and that means almost as much fiddling on the computer as if you would use Max/msp, Bidule or PD construct a custom looper from scratch ;-)) You could read up on SooperLooper as well. Maybe that one suits your needs better? It can run many parallel loops in sync. But it cant act as the Sync Master for Live, but if you don't want to use any tempo dependent effects of Live's that shouldn't be a problem. Another host, that I like better, is Bidule. It can be used as a simple host but it also has all kind of building objects all the down to strict math for those who want to bild their own processing units. The reason I prefer Bidule rather than Max is that the interface is based on musical time (tempo, note duration etc) rather than absolute time (milliseconds). per On 20 aug 2007, at 01.34, jnd wrote: > Hi > > Thanks again Per for your advices...i managed to establish > midiclock sync between Augustus and Live. > But I could not achieve the goal of recording the following loops > in sync with the first one. > What i am doing wrong? > Can you explain me step by step? Idiot proof style.... > This is becoming frustrating....i always thought that preparing a > live looping setup on ableton live....would be a more > straightfoward thing. But it seems almost impossible... > > Thanks again Peri for your help....and anyone else willing to share > the secret of how to live loop with ableton live. > > Ana > > > On Aug 18, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 18 aug 2007, at 20.20, jnd wrote: >> >>> Hi again Per ... >>> >>> Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow >>> your instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his >>> tempo as a midiclock? >> >> 1. Open the plug-in's GUI. >> 2. Click the "About/Register" button. >> 3. Select the "MIDI output" box. >> 4. Either save your host and launch Live again or delete the plug- >> in from the plug-in slot and open a new instance of it. This is >> for the change to take effect. >> >> Augustus Loop now opens a virtual MIDI Port that is named >> "Augustus Loop 1" by Ableton Live's MIDI/sync preferences. If you >> open a second plug-in, on another Live track, it will show up as >> "Augustus Loop 2". You should only use the first one as the Sync >> Master though, so be sure to activate the green Host Tempo button >> in the plug-in's GUI. >> >>> Greetings from Portugal >> >> Cool! I've been to Lisboa a couple of times and once lived four >> months on Kap Verde (former Portuguese colony and still very >> influenced, the vibe somewhere between Portugal and Africa) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 08:00:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81E4B3BF70; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bzjZWMdB/KmROOctGNiypkppXl0LUQyVp6KhF6Er6itdWZrOL7NzrPy8wZKn2yFtBxN8n/LRJ0aUHVR4vfWhCJXE74WgFN2GeZJe14D/2Zk2s5cPNRQwwsBg79Obfq2MAowQMKRkTeQcnxd0koC1DFp/1jvYDZ/j7TQQFG1o6M0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VGcoK4+KiVIH/i8wtYUGO76vCi2oC1sgzt6oCgeeuMBPKrUaV32S4L6hKM4f3/kDj/6TculhmdwAWPj1VPy/H6eHWCpjOTUk5LNZpiybPq0/hK/jtOGuifA/R2MaFPRbU+wrE0c2Hda2ikGaQFb+67CLNUCX4lKrJjUdhGAEhvM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <58F1AB21-B955-40FD-BFD1-62340D7A07C9@gmail.com> References: <58F1AB21-B955-40FD-BFD1-62340D7A07C9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DAA83AC-D4BF-4AA1-90C3-2CACDAEB1E00@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live looping Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:59:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:00:03 +0000 (UTC) On 20 aug 2007, at 02.15, Marco Santos wrote: > Hi people... > > I would like to know how I can do live looping with ableton live > like I do with the pedal Boss RC-20XL.. > I mean, when i do a loop with the RC-20XL, I dont have any > metronome to follow and he assume the first loop like the master > loop, so all the loops that i do after will be synchronized with > the first one... but with the ableton live I cant do this... > > Please let me know... > > thanks... > > Marco Check out the ongoing thread "First Loop Sync". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 10:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6593BF35; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:13:07 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200708201013.l7KAD7NV012608@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: virtual baggy pants - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:13:10 +0000 (UTC) About this track http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6 Daryl had t= o say: > Rainer, thanks for posting this. Great title! This was terribly fun, I=20 > rarely get to play along with beats and with all the nice keyboard and=20 > guitar textures, I ended up fooling around more with cassette abuse than= =20 > usual. Ya'll both play with such taste and restraint that it was really= =20 > a treat. So to correct myself, "that's Daryl Shawn on the right on acustic guitar an= d cassette abuse". What I really liked about this session (apart from the r= eally nice synth textures Os did, which you already mentioned) were your sc= ratch-style sounds (which I used in a kinda-hiphop-dj-style a little more t= han 2 minutes into the track) and how Os looped the contribution of other p= articipants (thanks to his VST implementation of the ninjam client) like wi= th the short guitar segment at 7:15 which mysteriously reappears at 8:36. Yes, really a nice session indeed. Look forward to it appearing on the upco= ming "kbyermusik" release. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 13:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AC323BF34; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:37:04 EDT Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187617024" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:37:12 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187617024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/2007 12:53:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: This is one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update. What you need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delay time and feedback level for each repeat). There's several out there (the tc electronic boxes come to mind), but I believe they all max out at around 5.5 seconds of delay time. TH This is such a perfect example of what using a laptop will allow you to do in an instant with a decent sequencer (especially Ableton's Live) & a midi foot pedal. I wish I could better express just how much a quantum leap the Laptop is with respect to it's completely mobile integration into one's repertoire of musical equipment. It's a great way to condense rack space as well. 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-------------------------------1187617024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 13:50:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D53C3BF6B; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uJ2I3+Urqc+w9MfwhjCabPcnmtJw4j9IDI0cL+acYAQmc0OMupWyvEWUpIHOHznZITde3U9B3ECeXLrZSLFvMvW+w+3+0wv4lkg4g7t6rDeQX2YM+th1AXHVpRgBR+pHZdfqvCPObh3i868TF1aMwmZbHaicq0UCesN/Uopgmdw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DBBd1rRjoO28jdpcOKDZw9m4rjxdM8tvFA08EBpy772boI2kLUWe/4xzOqgGGRmb5wo8sGW3AdJ2IGgue6zyHq8P2LapUSBdaGcSqMDh43Mw0pBLgPcLdsF8eSAkZgfDrAheDKhfQD9PaEH98ufInnsHdPgpd05oSAVhCwAdN6M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:50:37 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:50:40 +0000 (UTC) The laptop solution might allow you to do that with ease, but there's all that other EDP functionality that's not available and apparently never will be. At this point in my setup, switching to a laptop setup would be the weight difference between an EDP and an Alesis Nanoverb, plus the better part of two thousand dollars. All looping tools have at least one feature that no other tool does, and at least one feature missing for seemingly no good reason. TH On 8/20/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > This is such a perfect example of what using a laptop will allow you to do in an instant with a decent sequencer (especially Ableton's Live) & a midi foot pedal. I wish I could better express just how much a quantum leap the Laptop is with respect to it's completely mobile integration into one's repertoire of musical equipment. It's a great way to condense rack space as well. Imagine that 2 ton rack you're lugging around becoming a very manageable 15-20 lbs of hand carried equipment. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:09:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C4F3BF75; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46C9A08B.7060203@biink.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:09:15 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hassell References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) samba - wrote: > > He played in Terry Riley's Ensemble way before he did the Indian > phrasing through eventide harmonizer with processed hand drums stuff. > He was on the original Columbia recording of In C. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:20:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E11D3BF7F; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 595390118-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.147.22 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAHc/yUZPQpMW/2dsb2JhbACCHgSlSQ Message-ID: <46C9A339.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:20:41 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > The laptop solution might allow you to do that with ease, but there's > all that other EDP functionality that's not available and apparently > never will be. Of course, :-) there's loads of stuff you can't do on a laptop. ...but it's a basic belief among the majority here that a laptop can replace all your hardware. I guess it must be a very satisfying belief to hold. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 14:27:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8E83BF85; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Lp9i7ftxRC6iBtyDZgu2hH/FS2e3bnS72aRQtl6Chyq2QvgaUDUmRJlFLtgnt/+852KguvSLcRyi08XpIeZgvFtl35B7uTJLrpH0NsrgqM0Kvvtxj0RECuf+khUV/C1UUlJ1bxdEO9m551mei5JryDU619TeuwTHWxh2xUuq/Ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O83Y6xtzvzUyizEnVqs9G4T3OHEJicq8B6Fx9G7PWeK3747tnsWsPZ/Z4JML/OO6qdxWf+/2MGGfiHWAitgBzJyHDnT1lyHL9nyYOtpL/C39omMpacDNPs7U7YF4UVfPmgaRWy4+XhPg4JXgrRE/cDCvk51FfenBugXgufJyIc8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C9A339.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46C9A339.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A5575B8-340E-4D10-A63B-1C96ED3537A7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:26:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:27:02 +0000 (UTC) > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> The laptop solution might allow you to do that with ease, but there's >> all that other EDP functionality that's not available and apparently >> never will be. On 20 aug 2007, at 16.20, andy butler wrote: > Of course, :-) > there's loads of stuff you can't do on a laptop. > > ...but it's a basic belief among the majority here that > a laptop can replace all your hardware. Please Allow Me To Chime In! I have also noted that many people seem to believe that looping on a laptop makes it easier. Nothing can be more wrong. I definitely agree that there are things you can't do on in software that I like doing with my rack mount EDP. On the other hand there's this other load of stuff a laptop opens up for... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:00:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8FCC3BF7A; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:00:19 EDT Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187625619" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187625619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please forgive me for being unclear. My point was certainly not specific to just "looping" although I do disagree about looping not being just as easy on a PC laptop using a program like Mobius. Maybe not as fully potential or capable with respect to all bells n whistles, but surely just as easy with respect to basic looping. My point is more so that a laptop is all in one and far removed from the notion of just a stationary desktop computer. Their mobility becomes & liberates any musician seeking much needed new room to grow. I am certain you would agree Per that Live's capabilities as whole musically compared to the EDP are infinitely greater. Don't get me wrong. My partner uses the EDP and I KNOW the excellence of the hardware's vast utility with respect to looping. There are NO perfect solutions, but there are specific solutions. One such as the sequenced looping that the poster originally asked about. In other words, It's just one of 10 trillion solutions brought to one courtesy of a laptop & a little imagination, where as most respectfully the EDP & devices like it might bring 1 million to those looking for CERTAIN (as in NOT ALL) loop specific solutions. as a side note of sincere curiosity: Do you still have to purchase 2 of the new EDPs to process stereo? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187625619 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please forgive me for being unclear. My point was certainly not specifi= c to=20 just "looping" although I do disagree about looping not being just as easy o= n a=20 PC laptop using a program like Mobius. Maybe not as fully potential or capab= le=20 with respect to all bells n whistles, but surely just as easy with respect t= o=20 basic looping. My point is more so that a laptop is all in one and far remov= ed=20 from the notion of just a stationary desktop computer. Their mobility become= s=20 & liberates any musician seeking much needed new room to grow.= I=20 am certain you would agree Per that Live's capabilities as whole musica= lly=20 compared to the EDP are infinitely greater. Don't get me wrong. My partner u= ses=20 the EDP and I KNOW the excellence of the hardware's vast utility with=20 respect to looping. There are NO perfect solutions, but there are=20 specific solutions. One such as the sequenced looping that the poster origin= ally=20 asked about. In other words, It's just one of 10 trillion solutions bro= ught=20 to one courtesy of a laptop & a little imagination, where as most=20 respectfully the EDP & devices like it might bring 1 million t= o=20 those looking for CERTAIN (as in NOT ALL) loop specific solutions. 
 
as a side note of sincere curiosity: Do you still have to purchase 2 of= the=20 new EDPs to process stereo?



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-------------------------------1187625619-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:30:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58B0E3BF1B; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZAtWFMAWU2sICsglZ1vI7vJuRXNMqvf8NrKMRPAPi0lbNxPD4vQ+wvbRxHFLz2OkJ0r6CjjtmHSwWJzR0kYxUr3WP1C1DDChIS5Qp5Lds3SFTfTrg06G/hEnuNzCI0igsBihanB3IdSNkfV5pZd3dp79eon7VJp3apj++g+w0+g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XdPXpwyKCjmdmNaXaQNTzxdGm2TO3++/4QE2bC7MeoJn8/i8PcCHV9gfpFnUOo5UtEVEAKKrd0S4MpT3gyXBQgjie7JJ+LJYnknzD4FmIjDkmmLG++lgL4D6/7c1ap8tceiZvF7VdgZz9k7VD4sH34oIhMKysGUmR6C9i6Ag1zo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:30:21 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "virtual baggy pants" - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill In-Reply-To: <002101c7e27c$1cb737e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002101c7e27c$1cb737e0$1001a8c0@succubus> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f94dd0f29e26356 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that, Rainer - I'd almost forgotten about that session! Some good sounds there. Now if I could just get that ninjam plugin to be stable for more than 20 minutes at a time, we'd be onto something... (I suspect that's why the keyboards suddenly cut out towards the start of that mix btw, I probably crashed). I seem to recall having a lot of fun looping a short bit of vocal you did - but then realising that ninjam had dropped the connection and you guys probably weren't hearing it. Did any of that come over? cheers, os. On 19/08/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Check this out: > > http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6 > > > A first mixdown I did of a Ninjam session I had with Os and Daryl Shawn. > > That's Daryl Shawn (of Chinapainting fame) on the right on acoustic guitar, > Os on synth (I suspect) on the left and myself centerstage on drum > programming, synth and little bits of electric guitar. > > Again, one of the few examples I found here of beat-based ninjamming stuff. > > Have fun! > > > Rainer > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:33:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31F8E3BF18; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=lAGXBtxbhNLkmsikWZ1pOJkaQ43Yo1fw5vHBSt8t2SInrHjlySTusxMysQwFpnCuEbs1E2L2L8gO1tck18QOYgcHZKFTNB+49V87LK8tYIvL7ykrfmVVgGgjXsBPZvj3QmihTElt/WZwbCcvnxNZSVulctH+IHu1MyFe0x8aPOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=YKFCsv8/irvabwWW0fsI7q6TQyJD4S3RVrxxJMsRtSygOppu37Ji41I08IiHvE2hrGA85TfUSHrfkylT6KGD3klDTEgfeQNupvvAiW/Bvh0YlbzQ627gCoMRIPMex8t24n9PfXLOHrlm8SXzupiSIALw6ZHB62pMKYgh67K2s8U= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:33:34 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: battles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 52784e167da93d4b Resent-Message-ID: <5insTD.A.7t.gJcyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, just wanted to mention the band 'Battles' who might interest some of you. I saw them live at the Green Man festival over the weekend, and they were superb. It's not at all clear from their album but they use a lot of live looping in their sound, and this is a rhythm-based 4 piece with a drummer. No idea how it's all synced up. I'd encourage you all to catch them live if you can - don't judge them by their recorded sound which just doesn't do them justice. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 16:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F403BF82; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z2D86L3dOzqeKmU7TLZQ5dFgzJ5IrqNYeJxiFTVB7gX3usmh12+MapTOvXgIGi2IpxbGHTkFlfm9WjfNIKbAcIQDgc0HqOM6EbO8MJNRx1aPbxCJtqRkExzbg+BbOX6nnbPisJLPJFrQ7xXwyMK+pjs7f/F98gSLEQmZGXGAWlc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=orEA00b1lJSe6chkQ1aT3GVZ3rJpSJHxKyXso4j6UZYhKiRUXomu+FuNVoUARbkbiuQrlugdkU0s5uKbnxK5jPBH+OBWgU3L6SkN5Cf9PADumJA3rMwlZ2ikSOxxNTu7yQVR2AlnSbf+9lJcsRM5xSwhUNDrkfR2Tjm96bcQ25Y= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:41:28 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Yep, still need two units for stereo operation. The hardware differences in the beige/blackface EDP's didn't affect any basic functionality. A different face plate, a cooler-running power supply, some minor changes to the input stage, but nothing like adding stereo audio in one unit. Memory was really expensive back when the EDP was designed. TH On 8/20/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > as a side note of sincere curiosity: Do you still have to purchase 2 of the new EDPs to process stereo? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:10:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B323BF7A; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:10:52 EDT Subject: Re: rang3 ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187629852" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <02rUZ.A.pdD.iscyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187629852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes: I owned the original Rang, and liked it because it was really rugged and road-worthy. In fact, for anyone who has my debut solo looping CD, "Places", that was done all on a Rang. It's proven its worth with me. :) The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (which is great for looping jazz standards) and the Multiply feature, which is great for looping just one measure, and then looping a more complex part that extends beyond that for multiple measures (whereas having to loop that single measure line for several measures and then loop over that, as is the case with more basic loopers). Plus, will there any other floor looper on the market that has these features? I really like the fade out feature...very cool. Most likely one of the most talented and cool people/musicians I have ever met and seen live is Ray Riendeau. Man, that guy can play the bass and is one of my absolute favorites! I have no idea if Ray is still using the Boomerang or not, but that is what he was using when I saw him last. If it's good enough for Ray, well lets just say that's enough to confirm my total appreciation about what I feel is the best floor looper ever made. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187629852 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 khartung@cableone.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I owned=20 the original Rang, and liked it because it was really rugged and=20
road-worthy. In fact, for anyone who has my debut solo looping CD,=20 "Places",
that was done all  on a Rang. It's proven its worth wit= h=20 me.  :)

The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (whic= h is=20 great for looping
jazz standards) and the Multiply feature, which is g= reat=20 for looping just
one measure, and then looping a more complex part tha= t=20 extends beyond that
for multiple measures (whereas having to loop that= =20 single measure line for
several measures and then loop over that, as i= s=20 the case with more basic
loopers).

Plus, will there any other f= loor=20 looper on the market that has these
features? I really like the fade o= ut=20 feature...very cool.
Most likely one of the most talented and cool people/musicians I have e= ver=20 met and seen live is Ray Riendeau. Man, that guy can play the bass and=20= is=20 one of my absolute favorites! I  have no idea if Ray is still using the= =20 Boomerang or not, but that is what he was using when I saw him last. If it's= =20 good enough for Ray, well lets just say that's enough to confirm my total=20 appreciation about what I feel is the best floor looper ever=20 made.



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= -------------------------------1187629852-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:21:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94533BF84; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,285,1183359600"; d="scan'208,217";a="265559525" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E34E.8080CA10" Subject: Stretching words Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stretching words thread-index: Acfik0q69xWJcUvMQ7qYEJCNjK4HXwAujTnQ References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2007 17:21:10.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[808CBDD0:01C7E34E] Resent-Message-ID: <5pty9C.A.75D.L2cyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:21:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E34E.8080CA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. =20 What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ?=20 -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E34E.8080CA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stretching words

I have a project in = mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables of pre-recorded  = words - either in a sustained way,  or with a stutter.   = For example, the word "sustained" might sound like = "ssss-usss-taaaained",  or = "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined"   = etc.      I would not want the pitch or sound = quality  to be affected.   

What tools can be = used to achieve this?   I'm planning to end up in the Max/MSP = environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind of = stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ?

-Qua

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E34E.8080CA10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:24:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17FC93BF2D; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VQw73v/4cG1ml9cJ3Hg1T3wfBlN6NUmcZzdonhypQfcPEFYXhO3oVYtwc9RI/mbarRjG3uheqAHrcaDCfnR+83rZJ8TQRhAdeSd8dCc9baHl0Hl68ziWRGuZ7FYtbKS/jP4PLHeoyPk3SMOFoAqiOUXU1E1AzfNjiA/cQo+az4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EXqx9DmO3njGWfx2lafIlZSehFdm5jfAkjY3txyVvPKUxS6c8psKxfyHZgsAcDQyYnNYnybak2UzfWU9obIzXzW2CQyJyOCUXRYnLCd01fjJgdO8Vilkmv1oEVQ9WWgF1CXdzyBdm/TpPIUm6DnjCFbZieLPMQsKJgfkNb9kvs8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:24:16 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stretching words In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:24:19 +0000 (UTC) G, which used to be "Girl" can do this. I'm not clever enough to find the webpage just this second. "G" and "Girl" are hard to search on.) I'll remember the guy's name eventually. On 8/20/07, Veda, Qua wrote: > > > > I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables of > pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or with a stutter. For > example, the word "sustained" might sound like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or > "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. I would not want the pitch or sound > quality to be affected. > > What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in the > Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind > of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? > > -Qua -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:29:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94C233BF8F; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Stretching words In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:29:58 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Kelly Coyle wrote: > G, which used to be "Girl" can do this. I'm not clever enough to find > the webpage just this second. "G" and "Girl" are hard to search on.) > I'll remember the guy's name eventually. I think one of these might be the one you are thinking of, Kelly. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Gwin/ http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/GirlX/ best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:38:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB69B3BF76; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <004e01c7e350$fa218ca0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:38:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-1HkPB.A.ZFF.tGdyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) not a vst but very good and veird: Granulab http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Granny.htm Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veda, Qua" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Stretching words I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A993BF52; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8A3A5852-341C-4AF9-9253-DEE913BD136D@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-1019486534 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:56:39 -0700 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-1019486534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I couldn't agree more. I avoided the computer for a long time for everything but DAW duties. Then I saw what Per and Kris were up to and I took the leap. There are still some issues ( I can't seem to get that first loop sync happening in Bidule) but in the end you get a lot more flexibility. To those avoiding it, I say come on in, the water's warm Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2007, at 6:37 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/18/2007 12:53:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, travishartnett@gmail.com > writes: > This is one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update. > > What you need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delay > time and feedback level for each repeat). There's several out there > (the tc electronic boxes come to mind), but I believe they all max out > at around 5.5 seconds of delay time. > > > TH > This is such a perfect example of what using a laptop will allow you > to do in an instant with a decent sequencer (especially Ableton's > Live) & a midi foot pedal. I wish I could better express just how > much a quantum leap the Laptop is with respect to it's completely > mobile integration into one's repertoire of musical equipment. It's > a great way to condense rack space as well. Imagine that 2 ton rack > you're lugging around becoming a very manageable 15-20 lbs of hand > carried equipment. > > > > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. --Apple-Mail-15-1019486534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
I couldn't agree more. I avoided the computer for a long time for everything but DAW duties. Then I saw what Per and Kris were up to and I took the leap. There are still some issues ( I can't seem to get that first loop sync happening in Bidule) but in the end you get a lot more flexibility. To those avoiding it, I say come on in, the water's warm

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 20, 2007, at 6:37 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/18/2007 12:53:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:
This is one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update.

What you need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delay
time and feedback level for each repeat).  There's several out there
(the tc electronic boxes come to mind), but I believe they all max out
at around 5.5 seconds of delay time.


TH
This is such a perfect example of what using a laptop will allow you to do in an instant with a decent sequencer (especially Ableton's Live) & a midi foot pedal. I wish I could better express just how much a quantum leap the Laptop is with respect to it's completely mobile integration into one's repertoire of musical equipment. It's a great way to condense rack space as well. Imagine that 2 ton rack you're lugging around becoming a very manageable 15-20 lbs of hand carried equipment. 



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--Apple-Mail-15-1019486534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 17:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D9C3BF86; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JBpeT6yycJQH65PSopHXbAT8Q7YTt7z0cOla84r7oalZuRK+u9L65UGYrev+7V5p5q+u5xhBXsX1k2l+X/U5FN2fmGl8unzbDLTf8zaRMTj6nasIK0bTJkBQsUIKUy8NPisHQf+nXWQsf2J4boCEA5xRsQgAEZIcTMPvdFVC3CU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=k3Htb5Bl1ORGVOq/9beBCeuXs3oRgPgRUTUbCeIuIsrfGkOEpuQ3Ce5cYo1CV4A4koJreKgw4zeQvfocOj6HOydkzdWMLPJaFdai1/LLCG6l3UN4XuNOz+kZYdLnzlHeJGEeb17FIWbR9/N/2zNgjcF3bztwSSFGvrfZDS1Izdo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:57:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3I9HJB.A.QJG.HYdyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:57:27 +0000 (UTC) On 20 aug 2007, at 19.21, Veda, Qua wrote: > I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the > syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or > with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound > like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. > I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. > > What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in > the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that > do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? > > -Qua > MethSynth Pro is the (OSX ) tool I chose for that kind of work. On this audio example the recorded voice was treated in Meta Synth Pro: http://www.looproom.com/aol/08_Making_Meaning.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 18:02:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564E43BF85; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IOGqySXNfHWLUlvsNvDArN/ZNn4+I6MrZXaitFr6xTzyF2m6icd1MLYsyLXoOTaoWPsen95OyJX+bVxvPqgBb2B/ze49LAfa3DNLXSNrMM7Jl1hg7XwyZdHu4TcDvdG8kc3JC8KEiQwTAmqzxGdCynyR3gl8NWjfZ5x6TSc5Imc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f+apH8hEwlWQGJzKr88meHNPXb4rZemyXTyoCxSd+3Y/UIT5eV4C9oCDB/V93kC5vt1Q0EiPtMUaUR78TWXHEUILYfhAhRYsQI+Hzax1qyRYJHx1mxQ61/Eif6bccuJeQMSuuWUG21JVg/X9GS0HrfE/VLr5WpzBr8eQ4ozeq24= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8A3A5852-341C-4AF9-9253-DEE913BD136D@zerocrossing.net> References: <8A3A5852-341C-4AF9-9253-DEE913BD136D@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <40235745-E03D-4C10-87CE-B1782D9E92CC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:02:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) On 20 aug 2007, at 19.56, Mark Sottilaro wrote on laptop looping: > To those avoiding it, I say come on in, the water's warm ...'cause the cpu is burning hot. p;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:26:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE623BF7F; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:26:30 +0000 Message-Id: <082020071926.15951.46C9EAE60001EE2300003E4F2215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15951_1187637990_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:26:32 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15951_1187637990_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I still get the occasional cpu fart noise, but the flexibility is astounding. For real basic gigs in confined areas and backup Im keeping the RC50, but as I learn the Bidule environment, I'm sure I'll use hardware loopers less and less. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 20 aug 2007, at 19.56, Mark Sottilaro wrote on laptop looping: > > > To those avoiding it, I say come on in, the water's warm > > ...'cause the cpu is burning hot. > > p;-) > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15951_1187637990_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I still get the occasional cpu fart noise, but the flexibility is astounding. For real basic gigs in confined areas and backup Im keeping the RC50, but as I learn the Bidule environment, I'm sure I'll use hardware loopers less and less.  
 
MFC
 
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From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 20 aug 2007, at 19.56, Mark Sottilaro wrote on laptop looping:
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> > To those avoiding it, I say come on in, the water's warm
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> ...'cause the cpu is burning hot.
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> p;-)
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15951_1187637990_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:29:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EEC93BF86; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=MRPXg1US2kevRTLm4dpaKISUrUzUKvwLP8bznX8Z7uvU2PSBE+A7hEsM22V74ScDLqTPgbYXeLN4m+DlTkF2X5hejOv3pnM02dicCTnwez9B2EuUnU0D2qWmfYT8KAt5b76XQVfLetWDNtae4SueOooE95PeO/no+WgrilUqKQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tIeLUr2BcMBqP17IzdGhUQJodCANtg2ypMPpsF91f9W6rtnavbdbk5MgpvbNwNrtb1gLqaXQhrTjimkeabtoQxKIElA1BcquUUOrCr+IaQ8+1RNfSgQC/QoTuf4joUWqMvoNulfoZotDRCnsKUe1DM3QMa2nyRdnL1z70mdoj6o= Message-ID: <00c901c7e360$6f02f9a0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: To: "loopers-Delight" Subject: repeater = looperlatve comparisons please... how do they feeeeeel... man? Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C7E371.31264630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8Vv9s.A.pMD.jueyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C7E371.31264630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, been busy for a bit, now back... Repeater has been a bit neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like th= e pitching capabilities, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when I played.. Does anyone know what I mean=3F With the EDP I press buttons and feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some how seems slow, laggy, and a bit tired... SO... I have 3 questions really... 1. Has anyone tried sequencing the track slip on Repeater=3F, IE programmng s= treams of CC's=3F=3F I have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did it = now... cos I only got ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did... and Re= peater was very slow at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty wobbly mess= ... used it for one track of course, but after that the interest wore off, = but to do the same thing with the track slip, you could effectively do some= reaaranging glitchy stuff, as you play=3F=3F=3F 2. What do people think of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time coming... should I get it=3F and 3. SHOCK HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a Looperlativ= e Ta ta!!! So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch shifting (apart from octave right=3F) so it aint a replacement for repeater, but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting sound= ing synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool... BUT>>>>> HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan=3F=3F=3F I couldn't help but notice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why exactly=3F=3F I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all those= tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as cleve= r as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will I be f= orever upping and downing thru banks on my pedals=3F Or do I just need 4 real= ly...=3F Will people see me playing geetar on stage=3F Or will they see me peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru men= us=3F Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of thi= er own free will. Cheers...lots of love Mark..xxx PS/ Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th) specific= ally Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the flight... ther= fore I will be available for drinking engagements and loopng chats/gigs (un= fortunately I wont have any gear wth cos Im there on work, filming a doc = about an ethical sportsware company actually...) So... Whaaasup=3F=3F=3F (I believe is the correct vernacular=3F) pps..Rick... What no YKxxx this year... boo hoo... mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/= viewArtist=3Fid=3D184310747 thank-you -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14023 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C7E371.31264630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
been busy for a bit, n= ow back...
 
Repeater has been a bi= t neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like the
pitching capabilit= ies, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when I
played.. Does anyon= e know what I mean=3F With the EDP I press buttons and
feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small
divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some how
seems slow, lag= gy, and a bit tired...

SO... I have 3 questions really...

1. Has anyon= e tried sequencing the track slip on Repeater=3F, IE programmng streams of CC's= =3F=3F I have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did it now... cos I only g= ot ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did... and Repeater was very s= low at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty wobbly mess... used it for one t= rack of course, but after that the interest wore off, but to do the same thing w= ith the track slip, you could effectively do some reaaranging glitchy stuff, as= you play=3F=3F=3F

2. What do p= eople think of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time
coming... should I= get it=3F

and
3. SHOCK HORROR... I w= as thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks
and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a Looperlative
Ta ta!!!
So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no= pitch
shifting (apart from octave right=3F) so it aint a replacement for repeater,
but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting sounding synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool...
BUT>>>>>= ; HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan=3F=3F=3F
I couldn't help but no= tice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why
exactly=3F=3F I also worry about the amo= unt of midi pedal fiddling... all those
tracks, all that hidden away stuff,= (some of us are never gonna be as clever as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw y= our racks... bastard!!)) So will I be forever upping and downing thru banks on = my pedals=3F Or do I just need 4 really...=3F
Will people see me pla= ying geetar on stage=3F
Or will they see me pe= ering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru menus=3F

Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of thier own free will.

Cheers...lots of love
 
Mark..xxx

PS/&n= bsp; Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th) specific= ally Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the flight... therfore = I will be available for drinking engagements and loopng chats/gigs (unfortunately I wont have any gear wth  cos Im  there on work, filming a doc about an ethical sportsware company actually...)
 
So... Whaaasup=3F=3F=3F (I believe is the correct vernacular=3F)

pps..Rick... What = no YKxxx this year... boo hoo...

mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com
<= FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 size=3D4>He writes for www.furthernoise.org
and works at www.transformlearning.com
<= FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#800000 size=3D4>
thank-you
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C7E371.31264630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 19:50:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 288933BF85; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: repeater = looperlatve comparisons please... how do they feeeeeel... man? Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:50:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01C7E341.DBDD6ED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfjYHQ/eJhcozOpQk2cn4+IhcfYCwAAkozQ In-Reply-To: <00c901c7e360$6f02f9a0$5a01a8c0@mark> Message-Id: <20070820195013.53E853BF7D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:50:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C7E341.DBDD6ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a looperlative owner. Development was going gangbusters for the = longest time but has been dormant for a while. recently, one of the developers posted that they will be getting back to it in the near future (I=92m interested in having them add an audible click similar to the repeater). =20 _____ =20 From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:29 PM To: loopers-Delight Subject: repeater =3D looperlatve comparisons please... how do they feeeeeel... man? =20 Hi All, =20 been busy for a bit, now back... =20 Repeater has been a bit neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like = the pitching capabilities, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when = I=20 played.. Does anyone know what I mean? With the EDP I press buttons and=20 feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small=20 divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some = how=20 seems slow, laggy, and a bit tired... SO... I have 3 questions really... 1. Has anyone tried sequencing the track slip on Repeater?, IE = programmng streams of CC's?? I have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did = it now... cos I only got ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did... and Repeater was very slow at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty wobbly mess... used it for one track of course, but after that the interest = wore off, but to do the same thing with the track slip, you could effectively = do some reaaranging glitchy stuff, as you play??? 2. What do people think of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time=20 coming... should I get it? and 3. SHOCK HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB = racks=20 and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a = Looperlative Ta ta!!! So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch = shifting (apart from octave right?) so it aint a replacement for = repeater,=20 but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting sounding synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool...=20 BUT>>>>> HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan??? I couldn't help but notice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why=20 exactly?? I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all = those=20 tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as = clever as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will I be forever upping and downing thru banks on my pedals? Or do I just need 4 really...? Will people see me playing geetar on stage? Or will they see me peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru menus? Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of thier own free will. Cheers...lots of love =20 Mark..xxx PS/ Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th) specifically Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the flight... therfore I will be available for drinking engagements and = loopng chats/gigs (unfortunately I wont have any gear wth cos Im there on = work, filming a doc about an ethical sportsware company actually...) =20 So... Whaaasup??? (I believe is the correct vernacular?) pps..Rick... What no YKxxx this year... boo hoo... mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at = www.transformlearning.com i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=3D1843107= 47 thank-you =20 =20 _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14023 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. 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I am a looperlative owner. = Development was going gangbusters for the longest time but has been dormant for a while. recently, one of the developers posted that they will be getting back to = it in the near future (I’m interested in having them add an audible = click similar to the repeater).

 

From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, = 2007 3:29 PM
To: loopers-Delight
Subject: repeater =3D = looperlatve comparisons please... how do they feeeeeel... = man?

 

Hi = All,

 

been busy = for a bit, now back...

 

Repeater has = been a bit neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like the =
pitching capabilities, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when I =
played.. Does anyone know what I mean? With the EDP I press buttons and =
feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small =
divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some how =
seems slow, laggy, and a bit tired...

SO... I have 3 questions = really...


1. Has = anyone tried sequencing the track slip on Repeater?, IE programmng streams of CC's?? = I have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did it now... cos I only got = ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did... and Repeater was very slow = at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty wobbly mess... used it for one = track of course, but after that the interest wore off, but to do the same thing = with the track slip, you could effectively do some reaaranging glitchy stuff, as = you play???


2. What do = people think of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time =
coming... should I get it?

and

3. SHOCK = HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks =
and = a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a Looperlative =
Ta = ta!!!
So I = downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch =
shifting (apart from octave right?) so it aint a replacement for repeater, =
but = lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting sounding = synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool... =

BUT>>&g= t;>> HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan???

I couldn't = help but notice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why =
exactly?? I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all those =
tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as clever as Per, = or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will I be forever upping = and downing thru banks on my pedals? Or do I just need 4 = really...?

Will people = see me playing geetar on stage?

Or will they = see me peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru = menus?

Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of thier own = free will.

Cheers...lots of love

 

Mark..xxx

PS/  Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th) = specifically Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the flight... = therfore I will be available for drinking engagements and loopng chats/gigs (unfortunately I wont have any gear wth  cos Im  there on = work, filming a doc about an ethical sportsware company = actually...)

 

So... = Whaaasup??? (I believe is the correct = vernacular?)


pps..Rick... = What no YKxxx this year... boo hoo...

mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
marks website is at www.markfranc= ombe.com
He writes for = www.furthernoise.org=
and works at = www.transform= learning.com

thank-you

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C7E341.DBDD6ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 20:12:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7F93BF89; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:12:21 EDT Subject: Re: live looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187640741" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:12:32 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187640741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2007 8:32:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maksaint@gmail.com writes: Hi people... I would like to know how I can do live looping with ableton live like I do with the pedal Boss RC-20XL.. I mean, when i do a loop with the RC-20XL, I dont have any metronome to follow and he assume the first loop like the master loop, so all the loops that i do after will be synchronized with the first one... but with the ableton live I cant do this... Please let me know... thanks... Marco Marco Forgive me as I am not at all familiar with the RC-20XL. Every sample you record in live, as long as you have the metronome turned on, will record and playback in sync. Naturally you have to set up your global preferences if you want to record midi. If you want to make all your loops identical in length, simply create and save the appropriate empty multiple clip view settings ahead of time. Of course you have to arm all the tracks and map your midi controls with respect to the saved set ahead of time too. You can even create clip view envelope templates to make life expressly easy for preprogramming's sake. Here's a cool trick: Create a 4-5 scene multi track session view with the above described method. Drag and select all your scenes at once and select copy from the drop down menu. Now, create a division immediately following (below) your 4-5 scene set. You can do this by highlighting the last scene's master play box. Choose and select "insert scene". Now, starting right after the blank scene, drag and highlight the area required to fill the above scene grouping and then select "paste". You may even be able to just duplicate the whole nine yards and then split it via the insert scene command. Then set up the "follow actions" to suite you however is best and you can also tweak up your warp settings. What this will set you up for is a wild harmony ride via your transpose controls or a little beat mangle tragedy to keep it all interesting. I really just depends on what your after. So the only time you need touch your laptop is to load different sets, if even then. That being because since you can use the insert scene trick just as easily to create & divide different session view loop planets ahead of time to land on (all together different than the last batch - new song - whatever) via your midi foot controller or keyboard. You can pre-create hours of loopotomy inducing madness all in the same set! BTW, you can always set up your percussion track's clips ahead of time to act as "master loops" You can even create pre made silent click tracks to master loop from as well. Just turn down the volume when saving the set. Later when you open the set, up pops the set's invisible conductor and every loop you make syncs to it. I may not be understanding you at all however Marco. If that's the case, my bad. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187640741 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/19/2007 8:32:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 maksaint@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Hi=20 people...

  I would like to know how I can do live looping wit= h=20 ableton live 
like I do with the pedal Boss RC-20XL..
I mean,=20= when=20 i do a loop with the RC-20XL, I dont have any metronome 
to follo= w=20 and he assume the first loop like the master loop, so all 
the lo= ops=20 that i do after will be synchronized with the first one... 
but w= ith=20 the ableton live I cant do this...

Please let me=20 know...

thanks...

Marco
Marco
Forgive me as I am not at all familiar with the RC-20XL. Every sam= ple=20 you record in live, as long as you have the metronome turned on, will record= and=20 playback in sync. Naturally you have to set up your global preferences=20= if=20 you want to record midi. If you want to make all your loops identical in len= gth,=20 simply create and save the appropriate empty multiple clip view=20 settings ahead of time. Of course you have to arm all the tracks and map you= r=20 midi controls with respect to the saved set ahead of time too. You can=20= even=20 create clip view envelope templates to make life expressly easy for=20 preprogramming's sake.
 
Here's a cool trick: Create a 4-5 scene multi track session view with t= he=20 above described method. Drag and select all your scenes at once and select c= opy=20 from the drop down menu. Now, create a division immediately following=20 (below) your 4-5 scene set. You can do this by highlighting the last=20 scene's master play box. Choose and select "insert scene". Now, startin= g=20 right after the blank scene, drag and highlight the area required to fi= ll=20 the above scene grouping and then select "paste". You may even be able to ju= st=20 duplicate the whole nine yards and then split it via the insert scene comman= d.=20 Then set up the "follow actions" to suite you however is best and you can al= so=20 tweak up your warp settings. What this will set you up for is a wild=20 harmony ride via your transpose controls or a little beat mangle traged= y to=20 keep it all interesting. I really just depends on what your after.
 
So the only time you need touch your laptop is to load different s= ets,=20 if even then. That being because since you can use the insert scene tri= ck=20 just as easily to create & divide different session view loop plane= ts=20 ahead of time to land on (all together different than the last batch -=20= new=20 song - whatever) via your midi foot controller or keyboard. You can pre-crea= te=20 hours of loopotomy inducing madness all in the same set!
 
BTW, you can always set up your percussion track's clips ahead of time=20= to=20 act as "master loops" You can even create pre made silent click tracks=20= to=20 master loop from as well. Just turn down the volume when saving the set. Lat= er=20 when you open the set, up pops the set's invisible conductor and every loop=20= you=20 make syncs to it.   
 
I may not be understanding you at all however Marco. If that's the= =20 case, my bad.   



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-------------------------------1187640741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 21:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359573BF76; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PdCD5Y7qrcGIsGIfVZ/+S/ydNV2xosvyP10dpvK3UVzDOheYSB3xV/e0KM3NNADak75w9mU62ReUGyywboAylODPVvrfpmPa0QK5vXBhPx1uhjgJFXFp+YbkQpCcY+vdOH6YzCQfFNxAKy07GIU1mqW21sJB5YUoZsK60GUSn2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UekdE4PfpHE5py6UjzeOvSAqRdJL4tDSSc7eGqLwVD5PYtgsjkgcQpW4JobnxmtHvucnvrwwCetyAo8vhtbWk2/kCtF+/98Nd5R7bWCFmBipItHLLDSzAIAr2ozGL+j68hzETmTF416Wy1MHPs/m++ue9Z+W7ITw9YBG01ajsHI= Message-ID: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:49:06 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total beginner here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for beatboxing and vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the rc-20xl or a laptop setup. Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no supplies at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, and a drive to start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is it? what software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i need? can a macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle the ordeal? if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can i route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my macbook somehow? So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. Thanks all -JoshR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 21:52:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1E6B3BF87; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:52:44 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D6B9@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl Thread-Index: Acfjc69OEMurJSqOSDaoiOoiafkuIgAAEV/g From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:52:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure many of the big looper brains will give you a lot more advice but as far as the rc-20xl goes...it only has two 1/4 inch inputs so you will either need a cable adapter for your mic cable or you will need to run the mic through a preamp(which I do and I recommend) where from there you can go from 1/4" to 1/4". As far as mic type goes...start cheep unless you have lots of disposable income...like a Shure PG-series or something and work your way up once you figure out what you are doing. Good luck! JB -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Rothhaas [mailto:joshua.mr@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total beginner=20 here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for beatboxing and=20 vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the rc-20xl or a laptop setup. Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no supplies=20 at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, and a drive to=20 start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is it? what=20 software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i need? can a=20 macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle the ordeal? if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can i=20 route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my macbook somehow? So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. Thanks all -JoshR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 22:44:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DFAB3BF7E; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kT07RkJA3Rrmiu9RVLOBkrUGVEYbqOoAjTRov66KzYFT7qHcbr9YEYD5+pQMCxLTXETBmgstwAunEWmjDVfKDpZGCUMWa4dyufaOHYL1QJNmHObljAiLZYsFbElostVVJiOgssYnfE8TwH4qH6U0XExth0FkslaSNslKba6RudU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=obzwrDeqImFws/ZH8mtO005+ukt6POW1u/vD5Lw/XYDnwfq0Z2s4GXSvDhaChMt5FX+t+E4LpJYJ1jPWA6Z90FGb0/hPAkZsg/7/gNaKtCX4FGkxtbtvfZb7JEaluOpuCKrHnAaHNjrcnbQt7ov+Skm5i0NICbF0qBUghfxv7e4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:44:24 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "virtual baggy pants" - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30417_26370438.1187649864156" References: <002101c7e27c$1cb737e0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <15XpVB.A.LtE.JlhyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:44:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30417_26370438.1187649864156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Found it very inspiring guys! You must join forces to rehearse as a regular "loopy" band, if such a thing exists.. ;-) TPO crew. 2007/8/20, Os : > > Thanks for that, Rainer - I'd almost forgotten about that session! > Some good sounds there. Now if I could just get that ninjam plugin to > be stable for more than 20 minutes at a time, we'd be onto > something... (I suspect that's why the keyboards suddenly cut out > towards the start of that mix btw, I probably crashed). > > I seem to recall having a lot of fun looping a short bit of vocal you > did - but then realising that ninjam had dropped the connection and > you guys probably weren't hearing it. Did any of that come over? > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 19/08/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Check this out: > > > > http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6 > > > > > > A first mixdown I did of a Ninjam session I had with Os and Daryl Shawn. > > > > That's Daryl Shawn (of Chinapainting fame) on the right on acoustic > guitar, > > Os on synth (I suspect) on the left and myself centerstage on drum > > programming, synth and little bits of electric guitar. > > > > Again, one of the few examples I found here of beat-based ninjamming > stuff. > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_30417_26370438.1187649864156 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Found it very inspiring guys!
You must join forces to rehearse as a regular "loopy" band,
if such a thing exists.. ;-)

TPO crew.

2007/8/20, Os < os@collective.co.uk>:
Thanks for that, Rainer - I'd almost forgotten about that session!
Some good sounds there. Now if I could just get that ninjam plugin to
be stable for more than 20 minutes at a time, we'd be onto
something... (I suspect that's why the keyboards suddenly cut out
towards the start of that mix btw, I probably crashed).

I seem to recall having a lot of fun looping a short bit of vocal you
did - but then realising that ninjam had dropped the connection and
you guys probably weren't hearing it. Did any of that come over?


cheers,
os.


On 19/08/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> Check this out:
>
> http://download.yousendit.com/20FD547B357410E6
>
>
> A first mixdown I did of a Ninjam session I had with Os and Daryl Shawn.
>
> That's Daryl Shawn (of Chinapainting fame) on the right on acoustic guitar,
> Os on synth (I suspect) on the left and myself centerstage on drum
> programming, synth and little bits of electric guitar.
>
> Again, one of the few examples I found here of beat-based ninjamming stuff.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>         Rainer
>
>


--
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.collective.co.uk/
http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_30417_26370438.1187649864156-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F9F03BF7C; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jhknjQh+mwBgJZSUlBaHTqdurooGEOLkLs8MqP9txmRVH9s2mK7nTeARoC2FUPaxmtUSe37EpR9Lyerqzb4UsPeyIsuZZ/2UKbg955GvrWzrDSC3q7NFmFZmKAFbX/eLKtggjSPMGNlipcVTx0/J8bZEfCNIHGp0/Y8RDFnwnhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZHaZmtFrJKFgLoXqdandJOO/JiBo1I4FHfOOQRekMoeOHZB0VtP5TgCE+MPFu0/6m1rFLm8nqnQ9r76TuTK3HylJTxutBzGdpF8jlUCdIssSkOsIGtuUR+2GDKvB7gQ4LmKckYyKP4LAaY+k85B0OsRSab4YH51QzSNLDxHZdcE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:05:09 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) In-Reply-To: <082020071926.15951.46C9EAE60001EE2300003E4F2215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082020071926.15951.46C9EAE60001EE2300003E4F2215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 08a4de950504fa62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) On 8/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using > Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I still get the But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:08:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A67D3BF84; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <46C9A339.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Hardware's last stand (was Re: Repeat something) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:08:38 -0700 References: <46C9A339.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Majority? Not yet But we're probably the most vocal because there's been the most change and progress in the software arena. I had this same conversation in 84 about the end of audio tape. Trust me, hardware looping is going to end the same way, but because it is such a nitch market, and the rate that computers advance, it will happen quicker. Laptops can't do everything hardware loopers can do... Yet. For people like me, they do all the need to plus more Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2007, at 7:20 AM, andy butler wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> The laptop solution might allow you to do that with ease, but there's >> all that other EDP functionality that's not available and apparently >> never will be. > > Of course, :-) > there's loads of stuff you can't do on a laptop. > > ...but it's a basic belief among the majority here that > a laptop can replace all your hardware. > > I guess it must be a very satisfying belief to hold. > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:10:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6ED3BF82; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MZOqHfounQo5Vo6Nkp4z7SejfbnSljt40vWFxMTANi0C1J+IjUhHRrSuA7qiw31s6CsGBPE7UFhbzi88DHZrYEKJygNx48Mg4zg5K5pPS+V9uhtifRyhfVY/A1+eLnPrRLL7xlFPSfBqPcrqqQXumdFFCEjN8zo8USAkQ99/h60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E9pcYIcqgxCszyA23VydJ6VLOdR29M6gUkIYioXij49WD+ObxEC2XvXGicT1MEBSTrWrXOYKntcv/MpvLOe8hjcusjdFA2gx2B6ujG7iXnqNKvfIzWwqqRPnoUW1sxwG7INlfg4VDvVvHEYlKOAYSFlR8N0viu3kPXlr/oghGE4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:10:05 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082020071926.15951.46C9EAE60001EE2300003E4F2215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Obviously, to SooperDooperLooper. TH On 8/20/07, Jesse Chappell wrote: > > But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the > totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:37:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991C03BF8D; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,286,1183359600"; d="scan'208";a="285503794" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Stretching words Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stretching words thread-index: AcfjgwdY7YdV/SkrR6OaQXdP6YqHdw== References: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2007 23:37:11.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[07AC1ED0:01C7E383] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, That was a fun mp3 ! Sounds like methsynth might work, but I'm on winXP for the forseable future. Do you know of XP tools that may be similar? =20 -qua=20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stretching words On 20 aug 2007, at 19.21, Veda, Qua wrote: > I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the =20 > syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or =20 > with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound =20 > like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. =20 > I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. > > What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in =20 > the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that =20 > do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? > > -Qua > MethSynth Pro is the (OSX ) tool I chose for that kind of work. On =20 this audio example the recorded voice was treated in Meta Synth Pro: http://www.looproom.com/aol/08_Making_Meaning.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:51:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3DA3BF36; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8CCB082F-9EED-4763-9B0A-07B78642565C@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:44:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Live has great temporal distortion tools built right in. Look at Virsyn's Poseidon too. I've not yet scratched it's surface, but man it seems like it's an amazing synth and it's audio resynthesis is powerful. It also has the ability to read a bitmap in as audio and do time manipulation. http://www.virsyn.de/en/E_Products/ E_POSEIDON/e_poseidon.html BTW, Per, that's a great track! Mark On Aug 20, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > Hi Per, > That was a fun mp3 ! Sounds like methsynth might work, but I'm on > winXP > for the forseable future. Do you know of XP tools that may be similar? > > -qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Stretching words > > On 20 aug 2007, at 19.21, Veda, Qua wrote: > >> I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the >> syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or >> with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound >> like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. >> I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. >> >> What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in >> the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that >> do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? >> >> -Qua >> > > MethSynth Pro is the (OSX ) tool I chose for that kind of work. On > this audio example the recorded voice was treated in Meta Synth Pro: > http://www.looproom.com/aol/08_Making_Meaning.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 20 23:56:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9733BF86; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E079B15-9D29-43F5-BD29-08805D1069DD@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: battles Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:49:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Really? I loved it. I'm looking for them for sure. On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Os wrote: > Hi, > > just wanted to mention the band 'Battles' who might interest some > of you. > > I saw them live at the Green Man festival over the weekend, and they > were superb. It's not at all clear from their album but they use a lot > of live looping in their sound, and this is a rhythm-based 4 piece > with a drummer. No idea how it's all synced up. > > I'd encourage you all to catch them live if you can - don't judge them > by their recorded sound which just doesn't do them justice. > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 00:44:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D703BF7E; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ld1e7pZLs41Shep9EZw9khhU7WOMrIZgzpsTnTUHAGR+z/Qz01y7wLiSf5DiupPl11w4XfBBYrstT95EoN2lPJs6RSsrE5xdGT5pU7E0FIZeTSCYqMyFQJ+A4eYhwZaxKPizDgqV1uSSBoFbH6TlPBVfl5ui271GuVRjBdyQxYw=; X-YMail-OSG: S8EsVgEVM1nl8oGFUia2TqupRswYp6Ygd4jzF420RbwwHaKBIIPzlDk05M1eV1dMuOls7hRZ0dcwDbrxoDik_speKimO8sWTAaZp2_O8JGpZQy2dggiOA3XPxPsLwgc- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: repeater = looperlative comparisons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <371128.81726.qm@web60322.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:44:37 +0000 (UTC) I offloaded my looperlative at the beginning of this year. I had a hunch that development was going to slow to a crawl. Unfortunately, my hunch proved correct. There were features I needed that are in Mobius but still aren't in the looperlative, and if I'd kept it I'd be very fustrated at this point. I also had concerns for its build quality, as I had to send mine back a few times for repairs. This is to be expected with something "bleeding edge", but honestly, I feel more confident with my laptop onstage, than I ever did with the looperlative. Mobius will glitch now and then (clicks in the audio), but the Looperlative locked up totally just often enough to be rather unnerving. Those bugs were fixed, but new bugs kept cropping up, and there hasn't been a bugfix update in months. I guess I just lost confidence in it. As for feel, well, I can't comment on the repeater (never had one) but the looperlative did get sluggish at times, like its midi buffer was filling up or something...the display is always lagging, but sometimes the response to midi commands felt lagged as well. And, the quantization options are nowhere near as sophisticated as the EDP so sometimes you have to wait before stuff will happen. I didn't much care for that. The EDP felt better, and Mobius is pretty responsive as well. One other issue is, the EDP did a much better job of placing related commands together on a limited number of buttons via "long presses" and such. The looperlative is pretty strictly one function per button so there IS a lot of bank switching on the midi controller to deal with. I would advise playing with it yourself to see what you think. I think you mentioned that you are coming to California soon...last time I checked, Analog Haven in Pomona had one. They seem like nice people. If you can get there, call them and let them know when you're coming, and ask them to take it out of the rack for you and hook up a midi controller to it, so you can see what it can do. And give yourself plenty of time- it's a deep box, and there are a lot of other toys at that place to distract you. 3. SHOCK HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a Looperlative Ta ta!!! So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch shifting (apart from octave right?) so it aint a replacement for repeater, but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting sounding synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool... BUT>>>>> HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan??? I couldn't help but notice Zoë offloading hers (Hi Zoë! ) why exactly?? I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all those tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as clever as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will I be forever upping and downing thru banks on my pedals? Or do I just need 4 really...? Will people see me playing geetar on stage? Or will they see me peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru menus? Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of thier own free will. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 01:05:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEADA3BF88; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JfDiS7RknDXyMPZXsnGV6DunJBi9SUle79dxvXEVUPsTYQMbNPMhcjhPzSNGaLVxrXJeIQA+cLqqSsWjTmz4XmOymbNTPdp0p1oNxePcg1eByubIpMBeMa6vwa1Gn5MYFFjW4uxKI4m7CBf4oTX1aHS+a1BKUgw6NKJ67SyBffQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aziVvmcKzWJ29i2n3dDKNAuenU0MuF73HI2tRmXvYzeutntQAwU6lFWzvd3nqVvlAS1XOgvJLV6TNkguUz6L0Fe9VYWqef1ZQJy0ewOb2RyHEmlKYALqaIuHNCuAhe3h1lFN1tz8X1//tkbaF/qLm5ahYGLe+F8F6nH2CCHP8bU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:05:37 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Contrary Motion (Re: Repeat (laptop looping)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:05:39 +0000 (UTC) It's funny: I just decided to go back to EDP. I think it's because of something Steve Lawson said, along the lines of "what you are buying is the interface." I still use Live at home, and Reaper as a DAW, and I have Mobius here, but if I am looping live I really just want to plug and go and the EDP gives me everything I need and then some, even without MIDI foot controls. I still, however, really want a good modern latching delay to put in front of it. Come on, Pigtronix. -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81A1D3BF86; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:04:42 +0000 Message-Id: <082120070204.18610.46CA483A00012B40000048B22216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Great News! Hopefully something really cool and menecing like Prometheus or Starbuck, or Adama. Fuck it, just name it Battlestar Gallactica. Sorry, I just watched the last episode of season 2.5. Best Sci Fi Ever! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jesse Chappell" > On 8/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using > > Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I still get the > > But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the > totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. > > jlc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:06:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEFBA3BF8E; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:06:34 +0000 Message-Id: <082120070206.26925.46CA48AA0007DAFE0000692D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:06:35 +0000 (UTC) My 19 month old daughter votes for SooperDooperPooperLooper -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Travis Hartnett" > Obviously, to SooperDooperLooper. > > TH > > On 8/20/07, Jesse Chappell wrote: > > > > > But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the > > totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585B93BF89; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gylddeKfdKlOj9X3+9LdN8Mh4tbKdMiCDyK0ptVVJVhoMQibOr6dfc72jiNdvjeQxmeKTuNoxE2Xc7LbCLBQ/IeShpfLCO+rwy2YfIstyzAYYdxaOkqmOQjzynCnAu0kDNxcbhmZWrDeTEfyA0NlTn3rnbVqEktREgYmM+NRJYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q7cQsoXSsO/3jIiXm1LVOW+uA/Jf523k+Fz2qWnWeymIGzgLQeuNaZU3lA0oVJ0jZY4iIThMDkS0Rgt7yQQfd8IiTzm2Je9AubS2pKq2h+xZlHWwEr9aVdkHzKvDSsWsvvfdAifM9HTZWKjc4y7mE7mKRuB7+YFTqoESf/Q2ZxQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:08:00 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) In-Reply-To: <082120070206.26925.46CA48AA0007DAFE0000692D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082120070206.26925.46CA48AA0007DAFE0000692D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0pni6D.A.pIF.CkkyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:08:02 +0000 (UTC) > My 19 month old daughter votes for SooperDooperPooperLooper Otherwise known as Taco Bell. -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:08:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77A13BF8F; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Hassell Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:08:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Our beloved and dearly departed Dr. Richard Zvonar toured with Hassell and told me that all of the cool timbres he got that sound so electronic that he could produce with the acoustic instrument by itself. I've been playing a lot of pocket trumpet and flugelhorn this past year (just beginning) but this comment got me to thinking about the use of breathe and wind noise as a kind of faux 'synthesizer' element in both brass playing and woodwind playing. Instruments, of course, like the middleeastern Ney have such difficult embouchures to use that they force a hell of a lot of air past the slit in the reed, forcing a very breathy sound. The amazing avant garde bass flautist (oh, he hates that moniker and prefers flute player instead) Robert Dick gets amazing wind controlled noises from his instrument and has an uncanny ability to direct noise sounds to the one of 4 microphones that he puts on his custom bass flute. Anyone intersested in instrumentalists who use their instruments in really creative extended ways owe it to themselves to check out his work. Anyway, I've really been into getting the very breathiest (does this word sound suspiciously like Steve Corell's 'truthiness'? lol) sound out of the trumpet. Hassel is an amazing artist and amazingly , he is a minimalist. It is much harder to be a minimalist and have a completely unique sound on an instrument. ..........he's and amazingly high bar to shoot for. ******** So this found sound looper's trumpet featured debut is at this years' Woodstockhausen Festival of Esoteric Music on September 23rd in the Santa Cruz Redwood mountain forest. I figured that since I have been playing drums for exactly 40 years this year and trumpet for under one year that I would create a piece called the Rick Walker Drum and Bugle Choir and treat each instruments as a found sound object. Wish me luck..............I'll literally be quaking in my boots while I attempt this piece. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:09:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2283D3BF91; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=upid/H3kzdbpnOkmM4eaeTQQbwRCXoCXPFIAFhPijx5YBTjLRIxwykqS6WxBRLca6u1F4vjX3t7AuEokxeM132f/sUV4evnNbA9uIKh6t0BzHo2T1baw+b4tPu6b2mACGEVuOQ+w2f60HxwT9g6LY4ehVOmVL/xdi/8etWnl7JA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ab7SH2PmTNFYf9RYafC6uNoOexH4XbgB2RdXUKQM/CCmBPSqSTZHNq2DC4wyp007OBbqnYR9YMcu46ZWo8H1A78wxZW/PJ1LT7i9EqId/tb2UEAaCtwiLLLwWCLkMPb2Z7JGN5NM5t2YsVX6i0lDzu28V03aTuuD3a6crc9w1og= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:09:02 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082120070206.26925.46CA48AA0007DAFE0000692D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) No, wait. Better: Taco Bell Canon. On 8/20/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > My 19 month old daughter votes for SooperDooperPooperLooper > > Otherwise known as Taco Bell. > > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C43B3BF85; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight), sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net (Sooperlooper) Subject: SooperLooper: are multiple outputs possible? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:09:44 +0000 Message-Id: <082120070209.7999.46CA49680002187900001F3F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Im running sooperlooper with Live 6. Is there a way to send the dry signal to one channel and the looped material to another? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:10:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F903BF88; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:10:26 +0000 Message-Id: <082120070210.11328.46CA49920005143000002C402216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <5c7MmD.A.cVF.TmkyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Thats just wrong. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Kelly Coyle" > > My 19 month old daughter votes for SooperDooperPooperLooper > > Otherwise known as Taco Bell. > > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:13:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230F13BF87; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:13:17 -0700 References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <45UwSB.A.glF.DpkyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) The rc20 may be the cheap/ fast way to go. The laptop is going to mean a much bigger investment in hardware and software even if you have the laptop already. If you can afford Live (a decent light version comes free with many m- audio interfaces and will get you started) that will give you a really good system with room to grow. Sooperlooper is free and live does its own audiolooping as well Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total > beginner here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for > beatboxing and vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads > before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the > rc-20xl or a laptop setup. > > Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no > supplies at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, and a > drive to start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is > it? what software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i > need? can a macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle > the ordeal? > > if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can > i route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my > macbook somehow? > > So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. > > Thanks all > -JoshR > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:16:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C49163BF6E; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NRJsOJuCZNxy+qPC5wd5I/LL3beXoXHYEu9w0Lo/BLMVKGYBifQNowMwXPMFC5jy564Vc7ykXAN7RkGJD8MCt0cuXwKYyFeu66+Y8tXPYtsTWMeRtnqXY3nsi9F6no9cdgtF43QdMSQQq+LkV/13DNAnvzP8uwQPzQxn96pqnig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EIowD48o3anmCMuwCzHFyzbFrgATm9Hw8/ypmNzm5N5in6elaMavsP/BaL3OtwcAqF4lL4vFyKcxm5HtulY4IeQWTSSE3z27IRTBESD/9qi4IGrnl3zo1Wt+WxougOhOTc8WxpSIreJ2BYtniQkyK6hCVSu/u9/puaYTDNG6Yno= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0708201916h48f86226j8b2a612f00200f97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:16:47 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: battles In-Reply-To: <0E079B15-9D29-43F5-BD29-08805D1069DD@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15223_2718861.1187662607456" References: <0E079B15-9D29-43F5-BD29-08805D1069DD@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5ZdIz.A.ewF.RskyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:16:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15223_2718861.1187662607456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't remember if I mentioned it before, but I have a video of these guys.... one of the members used to be in a band called don caballero that did alot of live looping on the fly with an amazing drummer named damon che http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=959013818283303498&q=kosukeweb&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 2007/8/20, Mark Sottilaro : > > Really? I loved it. I'm looking for them for sure. > > > On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Os wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > just wanted to mention the band 'Battles' who might interest some > > of you. > > > > I saw them live at the Green Man festival over the weekend, and they > > were superb. It's not at all clear from their album but they use a lot > > of live looping in their sound, and this is a rhythm-based 4 piece > > with a drummer. No idea how it's all synced up. > > > > I'd encourage you all to catch them live if you can - don't judge them > > by their recorded sound which just doesn't do them justice. > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_15223_2718861.1187662607456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't remember if I mentioned it before,
but I have a video of these guys....
one of the members used to be in a band called don caballero
that did alot of live looping on the fly with an amazing drummer named damon che

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=959013818283303498&q=kosukeweb&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

2007/8/20, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>:
Really?  I loved it.  I'm looking for them for sure.


On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Os wrote:

> Hi,
>
> just wanted to mention the band 'Battles' who might interest some
> of you.
>
> I saw them live at the Green Man festival over the weekend, and they
> were superb. It's not at all clear from their album but they use a lot
> of live looping in their sound, and this is a rhythm-based 4 piece
> with a drummer. No idea how it's all synced up.
>
> I'd encourage you all to catch them live if you can - don't judge them
> by their recorded sound which just doesn't do them justice.
>
>
> cheers,
> os.
>
> --
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://www.collective.co.uk/
> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband
>




--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_15223_2718861.1187662607456-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:27:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C0243BF87; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kHH1DbH5pmzRxLrxiZqz+GBmL7AGDSfe/+Atk0GCHMOU5zdY9j8mLbqRIg41YfsqBpHBNHbBbild/2s4r4reSIBHbQEJ73koidbHud2CpJDWeH26D24bexba9eHBRrOFKCtM8eoj3DJPfj9NmlHJus2VejpGL2IcRXgDm3py4xg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HgcbKUYWjHfsMXHdUv8DnDgEoDikV+WH9+ZEIbNB+lE5YzA4xSh0Mg9U+I7BvI3ZpCwa0hcqQsSq+I/UlZWUkLUeD9S9FUqtm+udO6AnN/k4fSsp7zjiTlv3dpsE3I2OLSqEZQBYCT0aWvxs9JLuk1IynJpHtNscVH9SKMB4w9w= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:27:55 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Well, what do you need? 1, An interface box with a mic pre and inputs for your beatbox. Just a sec, off to Google... This would work, $64. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPPS 2. The beatbox. I'd actually love to hear the options here. 3. A full-range amp of some kind. I'd suggest those three-piece computer speakers -- they sound pretty good and cost $50. 4. The mic. I like my round blue mic, What is it? Here, $100: http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALBALL 5. Sooperlooper works for your looper, and you have your hands free, so you can forego the footpedal. Or Augustus Loop. 6. Garage Band. There, you're good. $200 + the beatbox. On 8/20/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The rc20 may be the cheap/ fast way to go. The laptop is going to mean > a much bigger investment in hardware and software even if you have the > laptop already. If you can afford Live (a decent light version comes > free with many m- audio interfaces and will get you started) that will > give you a really good system with room to grow. Sooperlooper is free > and live does its own audiolooping as well > > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Joshua Rothhaas > wrote: > > > Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total > > beginner here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for > > beatboxing and vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads > > before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the > > rc-20xl or a laptop setup. > > > > Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no > > supplies at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, and a > > drive to start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is > > it? what software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i > > need? can a macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle > > the ordeal? > > > > if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can > > i route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my > > macbook somehow? > > > > So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. > > > > Thanks all > > -JoshR > > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:27:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D4C3BF9D; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:55 +0000 Message-Id: <082120070227.21152.46CA4DAB000635F2000052A02216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Jesse, I meant no disrespect. Great accomplishment SL is. I have many questions as I am new to the advanced routing that is required here. But, I will be making a donation soon. Thanks for all your effort. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jesse Chappell" > On 8/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using > > Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I still get the > > But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the > totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. > > jlc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E0DE3BF93; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q3EQ7QyyQaY6mFpjF7NQ5sDYCDKb/8++Qpq4DGHJdn8UL0rzA8t117Val0ecJ5f9OZU6HmBfA/tyhER4PP+1547FhibyNKNno8kSDWiH2AHlbR5Uz26gTY7imCtWUDxrRU9nSuUOw7TTuHoemUUeWTdtw8kAtcSx6XvqyE58JqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QZ4ZwN3oBkrGEfnkNFO1y0wMq+oL9tdqguQtlwUHCHnysiVNNu8m7TetRhll8vxEk3x+ZMAWbicKYu3ixj4GK1jDi2K57cNlM8UOupISDeop4XxNJZoOSy4V8b4FQmW8zn3jt+XYLirM/ZlpCRql7E1g4685Ul7TjjJhU8TLz50= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:41:39 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <09JQP.A.XxG.mDlyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Oops, scratch that pre. I thought it had an interface in it. Just a sec. Try this one, $99. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPUSB On 8/20/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Well, what do you need? > > 1, An interface box with a mic pre and inputs for your beatbox. Just a > sec, off to Google... > > This would work, $64. > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPPS > > 2. The beatbox. I'd actually love to hear the options here. > > 3. A full-range amp of some kind. I'd suggest those three-piece > computer speakers -- they sound pretty good and cost $50. > > 4. The mic. I like my round blue mic, What is it? Here, $100: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALBALL > > 5. Sooperlooper works for your looper, and you have your hands free, > so you can forego the footpedal. Or Augustus Loop. > > 6. Garage Band. > > There, you're good. $200 + the beatbox. > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > The rc20 may be the cheap/ fast way to go. The laptop is going to mean > > a much bigger investment in hardware and software even if you have the > > laptop already. If you can afford Live (a decent light version comes > > free with many m- audio interfaces and will get you started) that will > > give you a really good system with room to grow. Sooperlooper is free > > and live does its own audiolooping as well > > > > Mark > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Joshua Rothhaas > > wrote: > > > > > Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total > > > beginner here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for > > > beatboxing and vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads > > > before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the > > > rc-20xl or a laptop setup. > > > > > > Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no > > > supplies at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, and a > > > drive to start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is > > > it? what software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i > > > need? can a macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle > > > the ordeal? > > > > > > if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can > > > i route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my > > > macbook somehow? > > > > > > So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. > > > > > > Thanks all > > > -JoshR > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 02:48:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774053BF8A; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Xz/c6UNt/APv4B+ZhFVOtJR9fCff8O64IH61VXHlotMpz0FxTajzHTjrUFWSGeXB; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9458885.1187664490589.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hassell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48cde887a122e532004878a9a2dfbc6159133ed92d71017c35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) rick sayeth: ... >I've been playing a lot of pocket trumpet and flugelhorn this past year >(just beginning) but this comment got me to thinking about >the use of breathe and wind noise as a kind of faux 'synthesizer' element >in both brass playing and woodwind playing. wot yer talkin reminds me of one o my fav flute players-he likes to over blow and hum along and its all very earthee-been around along time-and this vid has some primitive looping and (to me) some inappropriate synth pads in the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KysTlJ0Etg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 04:50:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3493BF87; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S4Se7MqrUYzNGY5T3MZ2fR7W9kU3mEpIqhuxU2FDIB8pZM1ZDdSS2ObtAa2Amp6bJRzKIIALwgRO3GDahsJSiDX9aNSAJ6+AGheERpVN3gK7QSCLS/JLT4wtdn/6E5ChDHO0FKhjofZ5tmOzQhjsug9BIH/EN18kaQ0nCZx+LGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g3A0Iz2q2ssmEGxe1vgzpmvyTx0NdHV/cvrEHYrPTzK0Ocnup30wWfsEVh6eqYD0qsFD7H2/A2iNNOvyji3CiZXVQhGDej80NJGozgdM6cZZghKjjoGUxp6veoz/ChSrltQEArnmabdfaNCRks0eYosW2oPQqB0/PzLrviehJbM= Message-ID: <46CA6F77.1070807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:52:07 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl (with more questions) References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Coyle wrote: > 1, An interface box with a mic pre and inputs for your beatbox. Just a > sec, off to Google... > > This would work, $64. > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPPS > > 2. The beatbox. I'd actually love to hear the options here. > > 3. A full-range amp of some kind. I'd suggest those three-piece > computer speakers -- they sound pretty good and cost $50. > > 4. The mic. I like my round blue mic, What is it? Here, $100: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALBALL > > 5. Sooperlooper works for your looper, and you have your hands free, > so you can forego the footpedal. Or Augustus Loop. > > 6. Garage Band. > > There, you're good. $200 + the beatbox. > > > First off, thanks so much! second, my "beatbox" is my vocal cords. I'm a "vocal percussionist" to be pretentious about it. Here is what i am thinking. No matter what I am getting the XM8500 mic. I already have really nice computer speakers so my next question is, how much are mid pedals if I wanted them, and would I be able to switch "tracks" like the RC-20xl? And, if I where to use the RC-20xl can i still use my computer speakers as an amp? And for live looping how does Sooperlooper with some midi-pedals really stack up to an RC-20xl? And If i use the RC-20xl, how to i set up to be able to record my sessions on my macbook? I am so close to making a decision... im excited! you guys are great From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:10:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63DA3BF82; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jVPsOWFDqHsxDAFmIZ1OPgUSMPv6fDpACu25isoJHESWJcSYr28PgMlC37rfwgCwdvfaB8WTu2F3GWICneXE4SmuyQsYwwCmJuVznaCUakgVXzgCL4S6SGIrSZUrMhaq+134Z1qvdhPnD66+w78pb/ZjT+3muopA2WAqUBp1VjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S04mWc4aNZAYkI/AEOsv4IpaunCE8zUZbyAuivCyH4VV3kIGIWuQ/OL4FDQOGq/DEeBraSYC16t8LFEHc7h1j2pDuh62AwDMyUoqMyiJy3VHV5KTudujOqaFSZkwp8OOWA3KH7GD0JIpHBVv6SuFnAer6TlQpSpSuoCrztciGvA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:10:41 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl (with more questions) In-Reply-To: <46CA6F77.1070807@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> <46CA6F77.1070807@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Please note my followup post. That's the wrong mic preamp I have there. You need one that talks to your computer. Midi pedals are $120 if you get the Behringer FCB1010. You'll have to program it -- there are experts here and in some Yahoo discussion group on that. Sooperlooper with a MIDI pedal will totally kill an RC-20. IMHO. Also free. In fact, go try it now. Use your built-in mac microphone and loop a little. If you like how it works, that will tell you a lot. To record from the RC20, you will still need an interface box and a mic pre. You will need a mic pre regardless, unless you go with the DigiTech JamMan which, now that I think about it, is made exactly for what you are trying to do. (The big Boss looper allows you to save files directly to your computer. Actually, I think the Digitech pedal does this too. As does the Electro-Harmonix 2880.) Anyway, once you have audio going to the computer, you press the record button. There isn't that much to it. OK, wait. The DigiTech JamMan looper has a mic in. You can move files directly to your computer and goof around with them in the (free) software of your choice. Now that I think about it, it seems pretty obvious for what you want to do. I suspect with a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter, you could plug it directly into your computer speakers. See if that suits your needs better. But you could just get one of those and you might have all you need. And get someone else's advice before you jump. I'm not super-confident. On 8/20/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Kelly Coyle wrote: > > 1, An interface box with a mic pre and inputs for your beatbox. Just a > > sec, off to Google... > > > > This would work, $64. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPPS > > > > 2. The beatbox. I'd actually love to hear the options here. > > > > 3. A full-range amp of some kind. I'd suggest those three-piece > > computer speakers -- they sound pretty good and cost $50. > > > > 4. The mic. I like my round blue mic, What is it? Here, $100: > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALBALL > > > > 5. Sooperlooper works for your looper, and you have your hands free, > > so you can forego the footpedal. Or Augustus Loop. > > > > 6. Garage Band. > > > > There, you're good. $200 + the beatbox. > > > > > > > First off, thanks so much! second, my "beatbox" is my vocal cords. I'm a > "vocal percussionist" to be pretentious about it. > > Here is what i am thinking. No matter what I am getting the XM8500 mic. > I already have really nice computer speakers > > so my next question is, how much are mid pedals if I wanted them, and > would I be able to switch "tracks" like the RC-20xl? And, if I where to > use the RC-20xl can i still use my computer speakers as an amp? > > And for live looping how does Sooperlooper with some midi-pedals really > stack up to an RC-20xl? > > And If i use the RC-20xl, how to i set up to be able to record my > sessions on my macbook? > > I am so close to making a decision... im excited! > > you guys are great > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:23:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22D83BF8D; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=NSFN3fTPLYaeN1fQP/msszxnZoRnet7FXfZlt/reNclUWpFlAvNrWZD2q7EXa4+40lVtX+UMzwl8C9rdWLobOTPw2CasDOrIhv439jlSF2BSOoUH0cIevXgb5EsntBfpmFpqO0N4b21gILh5yId3jk7ZPPaDcAm1sMwWjglxr9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=P4GrM2SNIOzo8rYKwXun/G7TEopFllBxQYV6LPVsaUlDuKHeMZTqs0qWJ+6JDPpsiyVULcrjcafAWWFhO9QwlrHy7NiBMGc4VIoP2GZhRzLYmBB+LXqO8VAfxOV6RPIqResngy+mg7SbKQldQWoY1OklLVC4hpiWVXWtGioT8Dk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:23:34 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: sooperlooper-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [sooperlooper-users] SooperLooper: are multiple outputs possible? Cc: "Loopers Delight" In-Reply-To: <082120070209.7999.46CA49680002187900001F3F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082120070209.7999.46CA49680002187900001F3F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f305c97616d8f072 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) On 8/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Im running sooperlooper with Live 6. Is there a way to send the dry signal to one channel and the looped material to another? You will have to route the dry signal in Live by either using a send or another track with the same input. Then you would turn off all 'mon in' levels in SL (because currently you can't pan the input monitoring in SL). jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:33:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C9C3BF8A; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZKwqG/nBehxyH7QY/m1kh5nFWgs7IseuPOFMr5iCIgDJVMHxxegdzWlLd3ad+G4vj9zuMr1umf5EHhc+YZrs9hsTwsybAcvS1uCVJ/dVkowVLn2Tiujo0umZAwXfGF2BNg8nUxZ063JYah6dzPvi5LB3vnfluwsL0XTvo3pGSLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O59reagB3NWpH/MwliH5gLZaEfQa1COD46suZ8sZrRp8NvBONCtUQJqqGLwR2iblGXFruz0ay5pRzy+oQOwmfRD4iepMi2gcGjXIvC33iBvRrGheK0EvGHp6cPs0Awp5gd9PTodlPOA3IS2SRDUu/bqSjJpRRbiWuxPihiZkVF8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <082020071926.15951.46C9EAE60001EE2300003E4F2215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <969EE32D-A4C6-43AE-B822-D10B89A11AD7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeat (laptop looping) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:33:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0KLpOC.A.tOE.kknyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:33:24 +0000 (UTC) > On 8/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net =20 > wrote: >> >> Yeah, that said, Im jumping in. I've discovered Bidule and am using >> Sooperlooper (the dumbest name ever) with very good results. I =20 >> still get the On 21 aug 2007, at 01.05, Jesse Chappell wrote: > But you remember it, right? Seriously, when it hits 2.0 with the > totally re-worked backend (someday) I'll probably change the name. S=F6=F6perL=F6=F6per!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:38:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B7D73BF86; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ksDG9HWM6UvC21khhgs6118DCLbdk392eQXwS7jhDPlrs6rhXn9pjj8KH8Bv/67re4j17GbMmSdKLUZn60IgZIPmq9jS/5ug5tBcb60PfFklwb2/IkAWzEhVbSdv61/qQQSV7t/HJyZFCnUqvlsxSDfmOn+kJF03XVuAmbCDvk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iDCFYB2rZLXQ2xoBqvJUlurnj6qSQoK9PWop6JOdOJ0Kqrn3ueClLSgsTi6DMAzkZevppolslNOrZfuaulmgXEYixtGQMMO2eGGUXIbBfV9WY+Kn8tBr/+Bk5fXlJbiQcLeW1ovcy6LXVliGpcy1k2jix1QhRLlciHlRbqIvgyQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0181B71D-1A80-4869-BD96-FBD2F412A129@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:37:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:38:05 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2007, at 01.37, Veda, Qua wrote: > Hi Per, > That was a fun mp3 ! Sounds like methsynth might work, but I'm on > winXP > for the forseable future. Do you know of XP tools that may be similar? > > -qua Ableton Live of course! Cut up the file and drag out the time warp points. Experiment with different time stretching algorithms. I think Live would be faster than MetaSynth for this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 05:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E3063BF79; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sjKzJVOE/A79BifWyPRvVvoxDvP4Mnemqr+7LOX0Ifsi0BlGdGHx3g2yFle2MaWbRfyYRWyLO4cqk0ZCvK2k2g6YAKMJCialj3gDzZ1V0NU4T8dNWwz9/H3DKM2O1qiLAmn3wETlR2ZtW4d0giTpicVwrBDGiT6v7kt06AFO2Vc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W0Negv6P/QEWl3K2mG0TNIXeRWP2l82zViRwbLI4OW5RsheOvgSJlbIPz9DQe1+VgabF8Lpns8keEqcidHqGlNPRTULpFm2dwWWIPD+TvbQb7w8rlskda1TxVGmdJO7xRrhRkEMQ/fGHCV3gc70m0y6itf4JhiBbGQXBib/93/o= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <082120070209.7999.46CA49680002187900001F3F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082120070209.7999.46CA49680002187900001F3F2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <023ACF61-48E2-4E74-BC3C-CEFF44F5730B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SooperLooper: are multiple outputs possible? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:56:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2vXk_C.A.THF.G6nyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:56:22 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2007, at 04.09, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Im running sooperlooper with Live 6. Is there a way to send the dry > signal to one channel and the looped material to another? From where? One idea might be to use one of Lives audio channels to fetch the audio input from the audio interface. Track output routed to the Master Track output. Then you use a Return Track Send knob of this Audio Track to send signal to a Return Track. Then put the SooperLooper (or whatever looping plug-in you got there) on a second Audio Track where you fetch the input from the Return Track mentioned above. Be sure not to let through an dry signal in the looper. Think about Ableton Live as a mixer console plus patch bay. Almost any routing is possible. This example is just one way to achieve what you are looking for. Oh... I just noticed your title line. Use a couple of Live's Audio Tracks to fetch the multiple looper outputs. If you want to treat them all with exclusive, post loop, effect plug-ins that is. Personally I'd rather process pre loop and not split up the signal over too many pipes. My reason for this is to keep the option of reacting instantly when improvising music and keep the CPU load low. I regard this issue the major "two sides of the looping coin"; remix style looping and musician style looping. Every looper has to set his rig up to match his own approach because when cool things happen it's starting in the imagination, not in the technology. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 06:44:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6E6C3BF85; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19DWH1XnMVDSKo9zQZYCRgBBtu3gP9Q1/nMIzBgRi oBB1BWxxAqof09 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1065618436 Message-Id: <69ec91f52216160ce9cacb3b07d30a45@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:45:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:44:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1065618436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You should try KT Granulator:=20 http://www.koen.smartelectronix.com/KTGranulator/. Good luck on your project and keep us posted Nico Am 20.08.2007 um 19:21 schrieb Veda, Qua: > I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables=20= > of pre-recorded=A0 words - either in a sustained way,=A0 or with a=20 > stutter.=A0=A0 For example, the word "sustained" might sound like=20 > "ssss-usss-taaaained",=A0 or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined"=A0=A0 etc.=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 I would=20 > not want the pitch or sound quality=A0 to be affected.=A0=A0=A0 > > What tools can be used to achieve this?=A0=A0 I'm planning to end up = in=20 > the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do=20= > this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? > > -Qua --Apple-Mail-1-1065618436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 You should try KT Granulator: http://www.koen.smartelectronix.com/KTGranulator/. Good luck on your project and keep us posted Nico Am 20.08.2007 um 19:21 schrieb Veda, Qua: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFI have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables of pre-recorded=A0 words - either in a sustained way,=A0 or with a = stutter.=A0=A0 For example, the word "sustained" might sound like "ssss-usss-taaaained",=A0 or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined"=A0=A0 etc.=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 I would not want the pitch or sound quality=A0 to be = affected.=A0=A0=A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFWhat tools can be used to achieve this?=A0=A0 I'm planning to end up in the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file = ? = Arial0000,0000,FFFF-Qua=20 = --Apple-Mail-1-1065618436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045ED3BF82; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070820235111.03598d50@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:03:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: repeater = looperlatve comparisons please... how do they feeeeeel... man? In-Reply-To: <00c901c7e360$6f02f9a0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2517DEA; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46CA8E837983=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:02:23 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46CA8E837983======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_83792377==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2517DEA --=====================_83792377==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2517DEA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, check out the track 'Live Spark Reprise,' in the files section for= =20 this list. I did it in 02 and the GTR loop in the background which forms=20 the bass / partial melody line for the piece, is a single track Repeater=20 loop which is pitched via an MC 505... I personally do know what you mean about the lag with certain functions,= =20 however I did find the pitch aspects of it to be extremely usable... I also would use the pitch function live with the D-Beam controller to use= =20 pitched loops in solos and it worked all the time... I use an EDP now and like it much better, but also do like the Repeater's=20 pitch capability, which would be the only feature I would consider=20 purchasing one again for... Well, not sure if that was the sort of thing you were looking for in=20 terms of feedback, :) but HTH! -If you end up in the LA area, please do feel free to drop me an=20 email! :) always love to meet peeps from this list!!!... Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, Cara :) --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each=20 other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn At 09:29 PM 8/20/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > >been busy for a bit, now back... > >Repeater has been a bit neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like= the >pitching capabilities, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when I >played.. Does anyone know what I mean? With the EDP I press buttons and >feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small >divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some how >seems slow, laggy, and a bit tired... > >SO... I have 3 questions really... > >1. Has anyone tried sequencing the track slip on Repeater?, IE programmng= =20 >streams of CC's?? I have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did=20 >it now... cos I only got ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did...=20 >and Repeater was very slow at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty=20 >wobbly mess... used it for one track of course, but after that the=20 >interest wore off, but to do the same thing with the track slip, you could= =20 >effectively do some reaaranging glitchy stuff, as you play??? > >2. What do people think of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time >coming... should I get it? > >and >3. SHOCK HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks >and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a= Looperlative >Ta ta!!! >So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch >shifting (apart from octave right?) so it aint a replacement for repeater, >but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting=20 >sounding synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool... >BUT>>>>> HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan??? >I couldn't help but notice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why >exactly?? I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all those >tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as=20 >clever as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will= =20 >I be forever upping and downing thru banks on my pedals? Or do I just need= =20 >4 really...? >Will people see me playing geetar on stage? >Or will they see me peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru= menus? > >Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of=20 >thier own free will. > >Cheers...lots of love > >Mark..xxx > >PS/ Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th)=20 >specifically Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the=20 >flight... therfore I will be available for drinking engagements and loopng= =20 >chats/gigs (unfortunately I wont have any gear wth cos Im there on work,= =20 >filming a doc about an ethical sportsware company actually...) > >So... Whaaasup??? (I believe is the correct vernacular?) > >pps..Rick... What no YKxxx this year... boo hoo... > >mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com >He writes for www.furthernoise.org >and works at www.transformlearning.com > >i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT=20 >http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=3D18431074= 7 >thank-you > > > >---------- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 14023 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007= =20 >5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each=20 other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_83792377==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2517DEA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Mark, check out the track 'Live Spark Reprise,' in the files section for this list.  I did it in 02 and the GTR loop in the background which forms the bass / partial melody line for the piece, is a single track Repeater loop which is pitched via an MC 505...

  I personally do know what you mean about the lag with certain functions, however I did find the pitch aspects of it to be extremely usable... 

I also would use the pitch function live with the D-Beam controller to use pitched loops in solos and it worked all the time...

I use an EDP now and like it much better, but also do like the Repeater's pitch capability, which would be the only feature I would consider purchasing one again for... 

  Well, not sure if that was the sort of thing you were looking for in terms of feedback, :)  but HTH! 

  -If you end up in the LA area, please do feel free to drop me an email!  :)  always love to meet peeps from this list!!!... 

Have a wonderful evening!...

Smiles,

Cara  :)

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At 09:29 PM 8/20/2007 +0200, you wrote:

Hi All,
 
been busy for a bit,= now back...
 
Repeater has been a bit= neglected in my rack for a bit, but I still like the
pitching capabilities, but I just wish it FELT more in tune with me when I=
played.. Does anyone know what I mean? With the EDP I press buttons and
feeeel an immediate response, basically cos the edp is so good at small
divisions of sound (SUSing and INSERTING etc...) but the Repeater some how=
seems slow, laggy, and a bit tired...

SO... I have 3 questions really...

1. Has anyone tried= sequencing the track slip on Repeater?, IE programmng streams of CC's?? I= have tried sequencng the pitch, cant think how I did it now... cos I only= got ANalog sequencers, wiv knobs on.. but I did... and Repeater was very= slow at changing pitch, so it was just a pretty wobbly mess... used it for= one track of course, but after that the interest wore off, but to do the= same thing with the track slip, you could effectively do some reaaranging= glitchy stuff, as you play???

2. What do people think= of the Repeater upgrade after such a long time
coming... should I get it?

and
3. SHOCK HORROR... I was thinking of selling it and some unused SKB racks=
and a Korg synth and working late for a few weeks and getting a Looperlative=
Ta ta!!!
So I downzoned the PDF manual and read... sounds impressive.... no pitch=
shifting (apart from octave right?) so it aint a replacement for repeater,=
but lots of tracks (not sure if I care about that either) interesting= sounding synching stuff, scrambling sounds cool...
BUT>>>>>= HOW DOES IT FEEL...MAaaan???
I couldn't help but= notice Zo=EB offloading hers (Hi Zo=EB! ) why
exactly?? I also worry about the amount of midi pedal fiddling... all those=
tracks, all that hidden away stuff, (some of us are never gonna be as clever= as Per, or as tidy as Claud (saw your racks... bastard!!)) So will I be= forever upping and downing thru banks on my pedals? Or do I just need 4= really...?
Will people see me= playing geetar on stage?
Or will they see me= peering into a rack, with a mag-light scolling thru menus?

Comparisons between Repeater and Looperlative welcomed into my home, of= thier own free will.

Cheers...lots of love
 
Mark..xxx

PS/  Im gonna be in California for a week in September (from 17th)= specifically Ventura, but prob passing thru SF or LA, depends on the= flight... therfore I will be available for drinking engagements and loopng= chats/gigs (unfortunately I wont have any gear wth  cos Im  there= on work, filming a doc about an ethical sportsware company= actually...)
 
So... Whaaasup??? (I= believe is the correct vernacular?)

pps..Rick... What no= YKxxx this year... boo hoo...

mark francombe\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com
He writes for www.furthernoise.org
and works at www.transformlearning.com=

i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC= AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=3D= 184310747
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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5= :19 PM --=======AVGMAIL-46CA8E837983=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:08:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0873BF88; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CA8F65.3010802@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:08:21 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "virtual baggy pants" - Ninjam of Os/Daryl Shawn/Rainer Straschill References: <20070821021650.3113F3BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070821021650.3113F3BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Glad you liked it, Raul! Rainer - do tell about this "upcoming kbyermusik release"! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Found it very inspiring guys! > You must join forces to rehearse as a regular "loopy" band, > if such a thing exists.. ;-) > > TPO crew. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:12:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68A513BF6F; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.159] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070821070223.886E33BF8D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hum and overblow Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:12:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 07:12:20.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D8FDC40:01C7E3C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:12:23 +0000 (UTC) The one who really developed humming into the flute was Rhasaan Roland Kirk _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:19:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450783BF8D; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.159] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070821021650.3113F3BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Woodstockhausen,correction Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:19:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 07:19:36.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[A13D3760:01C7E3C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Woodstockhausen is Sept 22nd not the 23rd. _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 07:46:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC4D3BF18; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <004e01c7e350$fa218ca0$4001a8c0@mini> Subject: RE: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <005001c7e3c7$55efbb80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <004e01c7e350$fa218ca0$4001a8c0@mini> Thread-Index: AcfjaSO7HP7PRmS+RYekW3AjXDq0qwAXNg+g Resent-Message-ID: <6GQCVB.A.eAB.FhpyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:13 +0000 (UTC) > not a vst but very good and veird: > Granulab I use Granulab a lot - in 2003, I did a remix of a Centrozoon track (for the Ten Versions of America Remix album) and all the sound effects (including word stretching) came from Granulab. It is here: http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/remixes/07_cz_10x10_128.mp3 -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 09:30:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED33C3BF76; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.236] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <371128.81726.qm@web60322.mail.yahoo.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater = looperlative comparisons Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:30:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 09:30:08.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD54CD50:01C7E3D5] Resent-Message-ID: <48BTw.A.vbE.jCryGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:30:11 +0000 (UTC) >From: rabbirabbifive >The looperlative is pretty strictly one function per button so >there IS a lot of bank switching on the midi controller to deal with. no sorry, this isn't true - the LP-1 can map up to 8 commands to a single button press sim www.simeonharris.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get Pimped! FREE emoticon packs from Windows Live - http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 09:35:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76C83BF7C; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009801c7e3d6$83da0b40$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:34:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C7E3DE.E444D6B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6elT1C.A.yqE.JHryGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:35:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C7E3DE.E444D6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stretching wordsCool Edit - even the old demo - had this Stretch feature = as late as pre-Adobe assimilation. One can select that the pitch is = changed or not changed as well. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Veda, Qua=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, 20 August, 2007 18:21 PM Subject: Stretching words I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the syllables = of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or with a stutter. = For example, the word "sustained" might sound like = "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. I would = not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. =20 What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in = the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that do = this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ?=20 -Qua=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C7E3DE.E444D6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stretching words

Cool Edit - even the old demo - had this Stretch = feature as=20 late as pre-Adobe assimilation.  One can select that the pitch is = changed=20 or not changed as well.
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I have a project in = mind where I'd=20 like to stretch out the syllables of pre-recorded  words - either = in a=20 sustained way,  or with a stutter.   For example, the = word=20 "sustained" might sound like "ssss-usss-taaaained",  or=20 "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined"   etc.      = I would=20 not want the pitch or sound quality  to be = affected.   =20

What tools can be used = to achieve=20 this?   I'm planning to end up in the Max/MSP environment = but I'm=20 not there yet. Are there VST's that do this kind of stretching or = rendering of=20 a recorded sample/file ?

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------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C7E3DE.E444D6B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 11:38:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417573BF75; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:38:24 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200708211138.l7LBcOjF014892@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: virtual baggy pants and the upcoming kybermusik release X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:38:27 +0000 (UTC) > Rainer - do tell about this "upcoming kbyermusik release"! Ok, the following info is of course strictly confidential - hope it doesn't= leak to the internet ;) There will be a kybermusik release by me, which contains edits from interne= t sessions (mostly Ninjam) I did between end of 2005 and April of 2007. When going through the available material recently, I found that there's en= ough good material to fill more than one disc. I haven't yet decided whethe= r the release will be a double album or if there will be two releases (more= probable), and how the tracks will be distributed among these discs. These releases may include edits of: * the first sessions with Krispen Hartung from 2005 and early of 2006 * the first southcast-transmitted kybermusik session I did with Krispen = on 060423 * the first kybermusik event in front of a live audience ("Walpurgisnach= t") on 060430, featuring Krispen and Rick Walker * "The Milkey Way" - edits of a long session with Charlie Milkey * stuff from the "Rainer and Tony make weird Noises" session with Tony K * excerpts from the kyberloopfest sessions at the y2k6loopfest (among th= e participants in the sessions where I played were Michael Bearpark, Jim Go= odin, Mark Francombe and Bernhard Wagner) * stuff from the sessions I did with you * "virtual baggy pants" The album will be released for free download on jamendo.com. The target dat= e for the album (or for the first of two albums, if that will be the case) = is 9/07. Cheers, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:42:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B513BF0B; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <20D4FBE8-A136-43B2-A753-60B87E5FD8C0@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:42:32 -0700 References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC) I hate to contradict you but that's USB 1.1. I had a lot of problems with USB and audio. The great thing about the Apple products (one of the many!) is that they have FireWire. See if you can find something similar but FireWire. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2007, at 7:41 PM, "Kelly Coyle" wrote: > Oops, scratch that pre. I thought it had an interface in it. Just a > sec. > > Try this one, $99. > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPUSB > > > > On 8/20/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> Well, what do you need? >> >> 1, An interface box with a mic pre and inputs for your beatbox. >> Just a >> sec, off to Google... >> >> This would work, $64. >> >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPPS >> >> 2. The beatbox. I'd actually love to hear the options here. >> >> 3. A full-range amp of some kind. I'd suggest those three-piece >> computer speakers -- they sound pretty good and cost $50. >> >> 4. The mic. I like my round blue mic, What is it? Here, $100: >> >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--BALBALL >> >> 5. Sooperlooper works for your looper, and you have your hands free, >> so you can forego the footpedal. Or Augustus Loop. >> >> 6. Garage Band. >> >> There, you're good. $200 + the beatbox. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/20/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>> The rc20 may be the cheap/ fast way to go. The laptop is going to >>> mean >>> a much bigger investment in hardware and software even if you have >>> the >>> laptop already. If you can afford Live (a decent light version >>> comes >>> free with many m- audio interfaces and will get you started) that >>> will >>> give you a really good system with room to grow. Sooperlooper is >>> free >>> and live does its own audiolooping as well >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Joshua Rothhaas >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok so i hear alot of talk about Laptop looping. I am a total >>>> beginner here and i was planning on soon buying a rc-20xl for >>>> beatboxing and vocal looping (i mentioned this on these threads >>>> before) what would be a cheaper and possibly easier start; the >>>> rc-20xl or a laptop setup. >>>> >>>> Keep in mind i have a macbook, not a windows box, and have no >>>> supplies at all yet (no, mic, no amp, nothing, only a macbook, >>>> and a >>>> drive to start looping). If the laptop solution is viable, what is >>>> it? what software do i need? what kind of mic and midi pedals do i >>>> need? can a macbook with the 2ghz processor, and 2gb of ram handle >>>> the ordeal? >>>> >>>> if its the rc-20xl what would i need? what kind of mic? an amp? can >>>> i route the sound to my computer speakers? can i record live on my >>>> macbook somehow? >>>> >>>> So many questions, i know. Even a few answered would be fantastic. >>>> >>>> Thanks all >>>> -JoshR >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net >> http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net >> > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:49:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB90D3BF61; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <74F56364-E912-49C1-9537-A426239DC0FB@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Mackie Onyx Satellite from zZounds.com! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:49:18 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Try this instead. Mark http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYXSAT Sent from my iPhone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:50:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDDFF3BF73; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HvYHiMD25Puisfq9wWw/IR4rIxnFhlhbqFotoe5unzGxYTKlzvclH2XWkWR8H6sVXcIhBsMvr3JJVjFsdYuWCVaAMzXouFNP0cObuW0Y65Hb64Qze4IZ3rFGW1rMrtijUfyPGKGFxy87HR3rVKwQvpXPm+SZZlQ55v0P9JQUzjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K0spNtwavLRrAIWt7g7VlaUaOXGMOSIUbFsYio0R9XOwrvGgedl0vdbkAmB09Q5VUMgn32e16njwc0iUjqFOQj3WCoLWTUkik+Z8itW9wF9idfRQ67fcnt/Y0XinZQflXqYA7USyfZ5MWuQV/afwpPbcOWVR3eLP3aIISq/QVhs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:50:07 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Looping V rc-20xl In-Reply-To: <20D4FBE8-A136-43B2-A753-60B87E5FD8C0@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CA0C52.4000303@gmail.com> <20D4FBE8-A136-43B2-A753-60B87E5FD8C0@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Truly, I was just trying to answer his question as well as I could until someone who knew better came along! On 8/21/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I hate to contradict you but that's USB 1.1. I had a lot of problems > with USB and audio. The great thing about the Apple products (one of > the many!) is that they have FireWire. See if you can find something > similar but FireWire. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 20, 2007, at 7:41 PM, "Kelly Coyle" wrote: > > > Oops, scratch that pre. I thought it had an interface in it. Just a > > sec. > > > > Try this one, $99. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTTMPUSB -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 14:57:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E7C3BF83; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=c7sxk+oNQ/N8QrdGH4Ciyk0mMcRN4gBeTdoqrhrcqrweptq80mxCrLefGcfG49rzY/ytp2cqqw4fjkqZRjaSM6M1m62QqgsDLQjxPaHoOjmFVOK9D3BWbmSUhzwmiGZij9W5r7Y63bvs2BRoF2JUXQ4SZLstBh9vd9AMqGQsvP4=; X-YMail-OSG: LEQSp2MVM1nkLqumJ7km4EqiwJXy4_qOEWNzx8U2tVIYp5uxURE_QxRHJkB6DaBs_HYx75Ut6V8_XE_j5OYqTaO1zM7olAtG.yr6sISjcz7EihT3gG7st47TmQ_TVQ-- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: outside_2c Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-871532462-1187708274=:28983" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800955.28983.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:57:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-871532462-1187708274=:28983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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Join our Network Research Panel today! --0-871532462-1187708274=:28983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 509DC3BF87; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <63659.167.83.10.20.1187709119.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <800955.28983.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <800955.28983.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <5nN9.A._iF.FDwyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:12:06 +0000 (UTC) AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > unsubscribe > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:20:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA1333BF7E; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CB029F.6060709@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:59 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: virtual baggy pants and the upcoming kybermusik release References: <20070821151207.430C33BF8B@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070821151207.430C33BF8B@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:20:04 +0000 (UTC) This is awesome, Rainer, a great cross-section of collaborations. And I love the concept of it being all from Internet sessions. I won't tell a soul! :-P Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> Rainer - do tell about this "upcoming kbyermusik release"! >> > > Ok, the following info is of course strictly confidential - hope it doesn't leak to the internet ;) > > There will be a kybermusik release by me, which contains edits from internet sessions (mostly Ninjam) I did between end of 2005 and April of 2007. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:26:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A783BF81; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Bidule Question. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:26:56 +0000 Message-Id: <082120071526.17187.46CB04400004CEB5000043232215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know if there is a way to send audio from Bidule to different outs on my Firewire 410? Multiple outs seems to be pretty standard these days. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:28:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C92BE3BF7B; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:28:04 +0000 Message-Id: <082120071528.22798.46CB0484000C8E690000590E2215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22798_1187710084_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:28:05 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22798_1187710084_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im afraid thats not possible. 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Join our Network Research Panel today! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22798_1187710084_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22798_1187710084_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:33:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D223BF87; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,290,1183359600"; d="scan'208";a="285874066" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005001c7e3c7$55efbb80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stretching words thread-index: AcfkCKEFy9OzuuBeR5WQCMrguotXdQ== References: <005001c7e3c7$55efbb80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> From: "Veda, Qua" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 15:33:32.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[A17B1D60:01C7E408] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Remember the "Max Headroom" talking head character on TV?=20 The stretching effect I'm seeking could be something like that, but hopefully not as robotic sounding. Anyone know how that max headroom effect is done? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:46:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769723BF97; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NRJ5FgWB5s5s12fIPOlr1n2HE1QCbg3z89Gc3vLDQHSYbixcRMV1dzX69Rxpd9VGdkuJR+Jdq6mNB3EV0qR3h5IfmREsKoxHKhGh+6qhNcuI+HxjQkwiLAKAiXrQBWdFPm7Y5onxpuDrLXcCKXyddKQQB4hLzAcx8LifLOe8kmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xo1Jyc35+vVV4XLM6Kk9ZnCdhPtQDuqAV1diWwPepPrMJxDlmP8alXVkbkZeUJTMAQOD+Wx7HfyX46gSFOEdaAAKrpCZpm6HDiBN2QBwnY5R4w+rAg4dlUv3tv9xxd/xVqPowkAzVTpDVPNmRUhZuwwka7Dh4YdArSIRiT8h5J4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <005001c7e3c7$55efbb80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B0A3F30-5A42-427D-823D-166EE6A5922B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:46:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2007, at 17.33, Veda, Qua wrote: > Remember the "Max Headroom" talking head character on TV? > The stretching effect I'm seeking could be something like that, but > hopefully not as robotic sounding. Anyone know how that max headroom > effect is done? I've never heard Max Headroom but an educated guess gives that the voice may have been created with this classic technique: 1. Keep the audio to be "stretched" as an audio file. 2. In some music software, make a playback loop of the file. 3. Minimize the loop length until only one tiny slice is looping, making a buzzing sound. 4. Align the loop's start point and loop point to a controller. Now regard the loop as "a window" that you can move through the entire audio file. Forwards or backwards. When the looping "playback window" moves by a syllable it will sound more stretched the slower you move it. First sampler that made this production technique popular was the hardware Emax sampler (12 bit). I Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:55:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1DC23BF76; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DNG9sg3tBSUbK6skUqfm3srnxVEK7DfVqoVP1SrcBBLswqAaoBbT+Van7TPTmX+D3VZ59kpaC6gNsMMbcXKr1hl63ANLQZGaerEx3H5q7ydj0OW1sx8E9EWPHDLHQg2N3RIb3ReKoGiiht/qKoWP95LZizUKuC8yoGfSCOyVIoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s4P8AdYG8vyG15xSUsgWjTYIpb7VGbTFdsCWpY9v3E4b2iSldcS1ZvSzV+rQk4nw3yWZxy28bOMS7BUEgtccjt0XOOd5lQ8kM3xvq3xocN6K6h5lZGD3Iqj3GlhpkgTctKvKHxqGgJgTZoihJP1dajk86fNxiUrBC4mkgzjJRuI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <082120071526.17187.46CB04400004CEB5000043232215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082120071526.17187.46CB04400004CEB5000043232215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule Question. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:55:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:55:17 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2007, at 17.26, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to send audio from Bidule to > different outs on my Firewire 410? Multiple outs seems to be pretty > standard these days. > Thanks Yes. You drag virtual cables in Bidule. On this screenshot you see the Bidule symbol for the multi port audio interface at the bottom: http://www.looproom.com/bilder/bidule2007ff400.JPG Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 15:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576FB3BF79; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 598480960-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.130.0 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAL2nykZPQoIA/2dsb2JhbACCHwSkUg Message-ID: <46CB0B84.40706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:57:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule Question. References: <082120071526.17187.46CB04400004CEB5000043232215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082120071526.17187.46CB04400004CEB5000043232215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) As long as you're only using one sound device then connections to all the outputs should appear when you put the device on the Bidule desktop. Bidule has all sorts of ways to route the audio. I was going to recommend these free vst mixers, http://www.pompougnac-daniel.com/04pages/02plugs/mixersb.htm ;-( but you're on mac, right? Maybe the mac guys here can recommend a vst mixer with multiple outputs. Oh, just saw that Bidule has a surround panner. Anyway, the basic answer is YES. andy butler midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to send audio from Bidule to different outs on my Firewire 410? Multiple outs seems to be pretty standard these days. > Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 16:47:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF1903BF6E; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070820235111.03598d50@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070820235111.03598d50@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:47:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:47:18 +0000 (UTC) hi folks, i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i gotta chime in... LP-1 vs RPTR i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate cake? smoked herring or pickles? i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so many things in life....microphones for example! now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but, that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't return custom installed pickups). here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one... sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR. i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping. as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4 reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1 for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and 4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup system! now, about the RPTR upgrade.... there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever. that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi commands, you will never notice the problems... - indication of muted track if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top. yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell, inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a mute did not get unmuted. also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message. so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at the beginning of every song. - reset "button" my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and it does a quick reset which clears the seizure. - sticky settings across power cycles!!! love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that way until you change them. - erase single track midi command previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me) - multiply by x you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple command. ok...back to work with me. loop, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:12:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845193BEF9; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EBlsEuXcAZzxrE0ufv4W1LL83ZBIG3RUqDVW1CK7CT4i22S1PXA1F7rzkQFVVICuZ/QFjGK/6GKxDqsluxAN/Tylx0upz/OWzPxAebYHdJ6KEjGkgT2EKP1VF8Sbfi7fV8tR1vehM/CWHx6Gw3O6z6C06WVgBhVEoFoF4BtYva4=; X-YMail-OSG: Fe4adVgVM1lalrJ33rAZNjzH8i3_LFf6vS2Rtm3C9gCV7xYGRXdzQ1EKZeuQT7ZXD4QUFjPlse2s0vSJyd4csuIsJVHWVrOJdcTHGG9VhUksOprUEF2_IoCLLpBXpQ-- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2016751435-1187716354=:89866" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:12:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-2016751435-1187716354=:89866 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! Zoe Keating wrote: hi folks, i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i gotta chime in... LP-1 vs RPTR i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate cake? smoked herring or pickles? i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so many things in life....microphones for example! now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but, that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't return custom installed pickups). here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one... sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR. i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping. as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4 reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1 for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and 4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup system! now, about the RPTR upgrade.... there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever. that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi commands, you will never notice the problems... - indication of muted track if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top. yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell, inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a mute did not get unmuted. also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message. so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at the beginning of every song. - reset "button" my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and it does a quick reset which clears the seizure. - sticky settings across power cycles!!! love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that way until you change them. - erase single track midi command previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me) - multiply by x you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple command. ok...back to work with me. loop, zoe --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-2016751435-1187716354=:89866 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ice cream  or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks!


Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
hi folks,

i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i
gotta chime in...

LP-1 vs RPTR

i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it
like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate
cake? smoked herring or pickles?
i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so
many things in life....microphones for example!
now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain
to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but,
that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands
i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't
return custom installed pickups).

here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one...

sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR.

i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i
actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do
more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping.

as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very
precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and
the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of
computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have
drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4
reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident
with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so
when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is
nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me
to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have
gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi
implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1
for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i
needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and
4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup
system!

now, about the RPTR upgrade....

there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am
the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i
might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with
sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out
there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever.

that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy
with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi
commands, you will never notice the problems...

- indication of muted track
if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top.
yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell,
inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song
started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a
mute did not get unmuted.
also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message.
so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at
the beginning of every song.

- reset "button"
my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both
my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to
describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the
details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to
power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and
it does a quick reset which clears the seizure.

- sticky settings across power cycles!!!
love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that
way until you change them.

- erase single track midi command
previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can
erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it
via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me)

- multiply by x
you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or
whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw
up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong
number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple
command.

ok...back to work with me.

loop, zoe


Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-2016751435-1187716354=:89866-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:18:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3FFC3BF83; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yUQG9zbBaRofcpxZaAjSsArfh1RvGFg1Rayh8MLlRskTCxn8wDJXtmILlRJVFyDTLQC2Wjwr1zFfRE0akkN6U7HZK/vIQVxSZPTmeeGcL7uyd8nyRJPeeNZyqNpYYGKuk5bt0935XHPBnJV0YLpJU4XPUKV/eCE7R8I7sg4HU2c=; X-YMail-OSG: AfMzEHEVM1kvDdxnzX61j.Eoh9ujbnfH91eKSyKE6NjrdpaFMk8XP3fi8rNcV382YOynbe37zy9LTm9l2yka6cWSEw5YNL9VIqUuxbJ7A96hPD8EBC5p Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: repeater = looperlative comparisons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <950939.63536.qm@web60319.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:18:56 +0000 (UTC) >>The looperlative is pretty strictly one function per button so >>there IS a lot of bank switching on the midi controller to deal with. >no sorry, this isn't true - the LP-1 can map up to 8 commands to a > single >button press >sim Those are "chained" functions- several things triggered by one button press. Only one function can be defined per midi number, but that function can have up to 8 commands in it. What I'm talking about is the kind of functionality on the EDP where the same button takes on multiple tasks depending on context. Can you pull up a different function on a Looperlative button by doing a "long press"? Or have defined button x do something different if you are currently (e.g.) in overdub? That's what I'm talking about. That kind of context dependent functionality cuts down on the pedal dancing. “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:22:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129943BF8B; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070820235111.03598d50@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70312FC3-9DBA-4E16-A0ED-9EEAF517B04C@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:16:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Zoe! Good info. I hope all these features are implemented in the software version as it's too late for me and hardware I think. Mark On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > hi folks, > > i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i > gotta chime in... > > LP-1 vs RPTR > > i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me > it like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or > chocolate cake? smoked herring or pickles? > i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like > so many things in life....microphones for example! > now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain > to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but, > that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands > i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't > return custom installed pickups). > > here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one... > > sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR. > > i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i > actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can > do more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of > looping. > > as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very > precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced > and the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of > computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have > drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4 > reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel > confident with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it > fails so when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the > RPTR is nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much > easier for me to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my > cello, i can't have gear in front or below me. i have it off to one > side) and 3) the midi implementation was more developed in the > RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1 for a long time because it didn't have > the midi capabilities i needed. i think it does now, but i'm not > about to switch anymore. and 4) i want the $1000 to spend on > another experimental cello pickup system! > > now, about the RPTR upgrade.... > > there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am > the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i > might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with > sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out > there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever. > > that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy > with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced > midi commands, you will never notice the problems... > > - indication of muted track > if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top. > yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell, > inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song > started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a > mute did not get unmuted. > also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" > message. so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of > commands at the beginning of every song. > > - reset "button" > my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both > my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going > to describe this again. just search the archives if you really want > the details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck > was to power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can > send, and it does a quick reset which clears the seizure. > > - sticky settings across power cycles!!! > love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that > way until you change them. > > - erase single track midi command > previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you > can erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always > do it via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me) > > - multiply by x > you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or > whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to > screw up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the > wrong number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one > simple command. > > ok...back to work with me. > > loop, zoe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:23:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6622D3BF97; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1043954175 Message-Id: <0F5DD974-CD77-4093-B6C0-B38A1073E797@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:17:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:23:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1043954175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cat Ice Cream Pickles Sorry, I couldn't help it! On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! > > > Zoe Keating wrote: > hi folks, > > i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i > gotta chime in... > > LP-1 vs RPTR > > i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it > like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate > cake? smoked herring or pickles? > i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so > many things in life....microphones for example! > now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain > to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but, > that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands > i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't > return custom installed pickups). > > here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one... > > sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR. > > i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i > actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do > more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping. > > as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very > precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and > the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of > computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have > drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4 > reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident > with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so > when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is > nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me > to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have > gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi > implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1 > for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i > needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and > 4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup > system! > > now, about the RPTR upgrade.... > > there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am > the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i > might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with > sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out > there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever. > > that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy > with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi > commands, you will never notice the problems... > > - indication of muted track > if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top. > yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell, > inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song > started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a > mute did not get unmuted. > also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message. > so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at > the beginning of every song. > > - reset "button" > my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both > my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to > describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the > details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to > power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and > it does a quick reset which clears the seizure. > > - sticky settings across power cycles!!! > love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that > way until you change them. > > - erase single track midi command > previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can > erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it > via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me) > > - multiply by x > you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or > whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw > up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong > number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple > command. > > ok...back to work with me. > > loop, zoe > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --Apple-Mail-2--1043954175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cat
Ice = Cream
Pickles

Sorry, I couldn't help = it!

On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Paul Richards = wrote:

Ice cream=A0 or smoked herring? No problem choosing for = most folks!


Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> = wrote:
hi folks,

i've = been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i
gotta = chime in...

LP-1 vs RPTR

i really dislike these "what is = better" discussions because to me it
like asking...what is better? a = dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate
cake? smoked herring or = pickles?
i've found that what is better depends on what you are = doing, like so
many things in life....microphones for = example!
now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to = explain
to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try = it. but,
that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many = thousands
i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you = can't
return custom installed pickups).

here is my opinion = though about the debate, if there is one...

sound quality-wise = the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR.

i am a dedicated RPTR = user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i
actually think that = feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do
more kinds of = looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping.

as for = why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very
precise, = specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and
the = songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of
computer = and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have
drawbacks for = what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4
reasons. 1) i've = invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident
with it onstage. = i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so
when it does, = little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is
nice and big = and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me
to see out = of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have
gear in = front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi =
implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my = LP-1
for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i =
needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. = and
4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello = pickup
system!

now, about the RPTR upgrade....

there = are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am
the = sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i
might = be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with =
sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out =
there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever.

that = said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy =
with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi =
commands, you will never notice the problems...

- indication = of muted track
if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red = at the top.
yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not = tell,
inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next = song
started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if = a
mute did not get unmuted.
also there is a new midi command that = sends an "unmute all" message.
so i just send that as a matter of = course in the batch of commands at
the beginning of every = song.

- reset "button"
my midi sequencing can occasionally = make the RPTR wig out. but both
my RPTRs have always wigged out = every now and then (i'm not going to
describe this again. just = search the archives if you really want the
details). in the past, = the only remedy when it would get stuck was to
power down. now there = is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and
it does a quick = reset which clears the seizure.

- sticky settings across power = cycles!!!
love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will = stay that
way until you change them.

- erase single track = midi command
previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. = now you can
erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could = always do it
via the front panel. but that was effectively useless = for me)

- multiply by x
you can send a midi command to = multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or
whatever. in the past, you = could only multiply x2, so i used to screw
up songs all the time by = accidentally sending the command the wrong
number of times and = screwing up the math. now i just send one simple =
command.

ok...back to work with me.

loop, = zoe



Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you = sell.

= --Apple-Mail-2--1043954175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E39A3BFA4; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--1043465368 Message-Id: <6626CAE9-2BD2-49A9-A795-8E0D43139779@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:25:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:25:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--1043465368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ha ha! depends on the situation! pickled herring is the true hands down winner regardless of context...but i didn't want to weight the argument. On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! --Apple-Mail-3--1043465368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ha ha! depends on the situation! = pickled herring is the true hands down winner regardless of = context...but i didn't want to weight the argument.


On = Aug 21, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

Ice cream=A0 or = smoked herring? No problem choosing for most = folks!

= --Apple-Mail-3--1043465368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C10E3BF02; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <005001c7e3c7$55efbb80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5737A123-49A8-496D-881E-6634189F0D62@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:22:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) I think a granulator is what you seek. Reaktor has a ton of good ones (comes with a few and people have written ones that are posted on the NI site for free) My favorite one for simplicity and sound quality is RiverRun... but it's Mac only... btw, Max Headroom, the sci fi show,not that talk show, was a really interesting show IMO. I was sorry to see it go. It had great predictions about media and privacy. Mark On Aug 21, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > Remember the "Max Headroom" talking head character on TV? > The stretching effect I'm seeking could be something like that, but > hopefully not as robotic sounding. Anyone know how that max headroom > effect is done? > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:31:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC8F63BFA9; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:31:58 +0000 Message-Id: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:31:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dogs. Ice Cream. Pickles. End of discussion. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Paul Richards > Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! > > > Zoe Keating wrote: hi folks, > > i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i > gotta chime in... > > LP-1 vs RPTR > > i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it > like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate > cake? smoked herring or pickles? > i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so > many things in life....microphones for example! > now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain > to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but, > that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands > i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't > return custom installed pickups). > > here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one... > > sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR. > > i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i > actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do > more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping. > > as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very > precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and > the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of > computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have > drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4 > reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident > with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so > when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is > nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me > to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have > gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi > implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1 > for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i > needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and > 4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup > system! > > now, about the RPTR upgrade.... > > there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am > the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i > might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with > sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out > there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever. > > that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy > with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi > commands, you will never notice the problems... > > - indication of muted track > if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top. > yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell, > inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song > started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a > mute did not get unmuted. > also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message. > so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at > the beginning of every song. > > - reset "button" > my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both > my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to > describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the > details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to > power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and > it does a quick reset which clears the seizure. > > - sticky settings across power cycles!!! > love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that > way until you change them. > > - erase single track midi command > previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can > erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it > via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me) > > - multiply by x > you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or > whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw > up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong > number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple > command. > > ok...back to work with me. > > loop, zoe > > > > > --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:12:40 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ice cream  or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks!


Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
hi folks,

i've been floating here around the edges, too busy to reply but i
gotta chime in...

LP-1 vs RPTR

i really dislike these "what is better" discussions because to me it
like asking...what is better? a dog or a cat? ice cream or chocolate
cake? smoked herring or pickles?
i've found that what is better depends on what you are doing, like so
many things in life....microphones for example!
now, of course both devices are expensive and it is hard to explain
to the spouse that you're buying a $1000+ item just to try it. but,
that is kinda what i do. don't get me started on how many thousands
i've spent on amplification systems for the cello (and you can't
return custom installed pickups).

here is my opinion though about the debate, if there is one...

sound quality-wise the LP-1 wins hands down over the RPTR.

i am a dedicated RPTR user and i know i got rid of my LP-1, but i
actually think that feature-wise, LP-1 is a superior box. you can do
more kinds of looping with it. its like a swiss army knife of looping.

as for why i got rid of it - right now i am focusing on a very
precise, specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and
the songs already composed. to do this i need a combination of
computer and hardware looper. both the RPTR and the LP-1 have
drawbacks for what i'm doing. i chose the RPTR in the end for 4
reasons. 1) i've invested 5 years in mastering it and feel confident
with it onstage. i'm even intimately familiar with how it fails so
when it does, little can throw me. 2) the interface of the RPTR is
nice and big and fisher-price-like. that makes it much easier for me
to see out of the corner of my eye (because of my cello, i can't have
gear in front or below me. i have it off to one side) and 3) the midi
implementation was more developed in the RPTR. i couldn't use my LP-1
for a long time because it didn't have the midi capabilities i
needed. i think it does now, but i'm not about to switch anymore. and
4) i want the $1000 to spend on another experimental cello pickup
system!

now, about the RPTR upgrade....

there are some great improvements in there. from what i heard, i am
the sole person in the universe having trouble with it, because i
might be the sole person in the universe controlling two RPTRs with
sequences of midi commands from Ableton Live (anyone else out
there??). i find that hard to believe, but whatever.

that said, there are some big improvements that i am really happy
with...and if you are not controlling your RPTRs with sequenced midi
commands, you will never notice the problems...

- indication of muted track
if a track is muted, the volume indicator flashes red at the top.
yay!! sometimes midi triggering misses and i could not tell,
inbetween songs which tracks would still be muted as the next song
started. with the red indicator light, i can tell right away if a
mute did not get unmuted.
also there is a new midi command that sends an "unmute all" message.
so i just send that as a matter of course in the batch of commands at
the beginning of every song.

- reset "button"
my midi sequencing can occasionally make the RPTR wig out. but both
my RPTRs have always wigged out every now and then (i'm not going to
describe this again. just search the archives if you really want the
details). in the past, the only remedy when it would get stuck was to
power down. now there is a snazzy midi command that you can send, and
it does a quick reset which clears the seizure.

- sticky settings across power cycles!!!
love this. if you setup pan settings in a song, they will stay that
way until you change them.

- erase single track midi command
previously you could only erase the whole loop via midi. now you can
erase each track individually via midi (yes, you could always do it
via the front panel. but that was effectively useless for me)

- multiply by x
you can send a midi command to multiply your loop x3 or x4 or x5 or
whatever. in the past, you could only multiply x2, so i used to screw
up songs all the time by accidentally sending the command the wrong
number of times and screwing up the math. now i just send one simple
command.

ok...back to work with me.

loop, zoe


Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13421_1187717518_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:34:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFFC3BFB8; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1042928123 Message-Id: <7A6AF90D-ECE0-434E-963F-4E34EBE7025F@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:34:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:34:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--1042928123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed oh fiddlesticks...now i'm gonna start a flame war! On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:31 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Dogs. Ice Cream. Pickles. End of discussion. > --Apple-Mail-4--1042928123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh fiddlesticks...now i'm gonna = start a flame war!= --Apple-Mail-4--1042928123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:38:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182BA3BFC6; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:38:23 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stretching words References: <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Per, thanks for this info. I had actually wrote, then scrapped, an email to LD a few months ago asking whether this technique was possible using any kind of current technology. I thought it was some brilliant idea I had come up with!...now I see it's been around forever (in computer years)! I just love the idea of making the dimension of time absolutely plastic, or even static, with regards to playback. Do you know of any audio examples where I might hear this? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> I've never heard Max Headroom but an educated guess gives that the >> voice may have been created with this classic technique: >> >> 1. Keep the audio to be "stretched" as an audio file. >> 2. In some music software, make a playback loop of the file. >> 3. Minimize the loop length until only one tiny slice is looping, >> making a buzzing sound. >> 4. Align the loop's start point and loop point to a controller. Now >> regard the loop as "a window" that you can move through the entire >> audio file. Forwards or backwards. When the looping "playback window" >> moves by a syllable it will sound more stretched the slower you move it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:38:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C453BFCC; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <678360.89866.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:38:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) > Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! does this imply those using multiple loopers would like that blended? a little bassomatic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:43:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CEBA3BFCD; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: LooperWiki needed. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:43:13 +0000 Message-Id: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:43:15 +0000 (UTC) The Looper Delight website needs a wiki devoted to the method that is looping. I have been absolutely loving the discussions lately. The geek factor the past few weeks has been off the charts. But there are often terms I see here that I am unaware of. During the discussion of the software Repeater there were refrences to several software devices that were a mystery to me (VDP? something like that) But I come across stuff I don't really understand all the time. And I'm somewhat experienced. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:47:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02B683BF81; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:47:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Hah! Cats. Anything Chocolate. Biscuits & Gravy (did I mention that ah was raised a southern boy). ;) At 5:31 PM +0000 8/21/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >Dogs. Ice Cream. Pickles. End of discussion. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Paul Richards > > Ice cream or smoked herring? No problem choosing for most folks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:50:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2F53BF86; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M3FhyA1RVH8mcGlb6HXezW0jykQR7SODiUQXPfThU8VUgqKpp+1f995qasWzQzgmA3qOcowSBvjmwdadA6NHlBz4JH120YahqtsdLzUva5BZouNTRl6Cra7ZH2nVbP+/o19o78J8OXbsMvyqIn57LcaKIQq5Wel10K+PjdxHFpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zb1d6Z+94dPyEnbEz59ohlMqt/zSVdaOyvHvkmZUz8+boQc6FTP7uZuoJdt7c37g6kOuUqlqkA4sweL7w4dFms7aa6fz8e1ZmolR2KZJjk56BPMGVKSg2A4UyA1i8LdUrJWF2CUN1JDFBN9z3B2lsMXYz7eWmkKQmPwpkfsrjDs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:50:10 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. In-Reply-To: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:12 +0000 (UTC) You could set one up and then Kim could put a link to it on the Looper's Delight site. TH On 8/21/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > The Looper Delight website needs a wiki devoted to the method that is looping. I have been absolutely loving the discussions lately. The geek factor the past few weeks has been off the charts. But there are often terms I see here that I am unaware of. During the discussion of the software Repeater there were refrences to several software devices that were a mystery to me (VDP? something like that) But I come across stuff I don't really understand all the time. And I'm somewhat experienced. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:50:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCE8B3BFA3; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070821125014.76dh64rs2so8cw04@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:50:14 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP1 and other ramblings References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070820235111.03598d50@mail.onemodelplace.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (from the Looperlative vs. Repeater thread...) Quoting Zoe Keating : > > ... right now i am focusing on a very precise, > specific kind of looping that is entirely midi sequenced and the songs > already composed. to do this i need a combination of computer and > hardware looper. This, too is my focus -- to compose music in the looping medium. I am =20 using Cubase SX3 to control VST plugins with automation and external =20 devices with MIDI. Like Zoe's setup, mine consists of a laptop and =20 hardware perephirals. My current setup allows use of many concurrent =20 loops in a surround-sound setup. The limitation is that my looping =20 software is limited to ten-second loops. I investigated Mobius =20 however Cubase SX3 only "sees" two pins from Mobius (even though =20 Mobius can play to multiple ports). I didn't want to be limited to =20 two channels. (I design everything for surround sound and then fold =20 down to stereo when needed.). The LP1 was of interest to me because of its stereo loops that can be =20 assigned to three stereo output busses. I recently acquired an LP1 =20 from a distinguished member of this list :) and the MIDI =20 implementation looks promising. If the MIDI response is precise, then =20 the LP1 will fill a gap that I have in my setup. I am not yet sure if I will use the LP1 in Santa Cruz, though -- I'm =20 hesitant to introduce new equipment into my setup with a performance =20 only two months away. > > i want the $1000 to spend on another > experimental cello pickup system! > Hope this is a successful addition to your equipment. I understand =20 about "spending $1000 to try out something". In the past when everything was analog one could pretty much figure it =20 functionality by looking at the control knobs and the in input/output =20 jacks. With digital stuff, one can't really tell what something does by =20 looking at it. And a new feature often has terminology that isn't =20 obvious until one actually works with the equipment. For someone that likes to learn, modern technology provides ample =20 opportunities. > > ok...back to work with me. > Speaking of work... The speed at which I work has increased the last couple of days due to =20 a "breakthrough" for me. (I would imagine that many folks have =20 already discovered this but I'm still on the learning curve with the =20 looping medium). When I compose, I use an editor to write the notes (actually a piano =20 roll style editor) that I later print out in standard notation. I =20 found that at the start of loops, progress was quick but noticed that =20 once into a loop things slowed down because I'd have to restart up to =20 two minutes prior to the current passage in order to build up all the =20 loops. I finally got smart and now run an audio "cue track" that allows me to =20 capture the built-up loops and play them in sync with the currently =20 edited passage. The track just a quicky stereo mix however good =20 enough for the purpose. Thus, I can work on a passage without having =20 to "rewind" everytime I change a note or two. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:50:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE7E63BFD4; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:50:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7e41b$ceece4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: AcfkGhXWs98rEo40QVWtsBRzvYgkXQAAI3/g X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0l5eEZI2sk= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Hey Daryl, thought you might like this effect ;). Actually, when I tested loads of free VSTs a few years ago, I came upon this: http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=1 look for "sloper", but judging from the description, "relofter" will be something similar. Also, Scrubber on this page http://dunk.smartelectronix.com/ seems to do something like it (but I haven't checked it). Rainer > Per, thanks for this info. I had actually wrote, then > scrapped, an email to LD a few months ago asking whether this > technique was possible using any kind of current technology. > I thought it was some brilliant idea I had come up > with!...now I see it's been around forever (in computer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 17:59:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE763BFA6; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2E4D@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Topic: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Thread-Index: AcfkGS/roVQfiHflSvqTdriyM1FhGQAA1nlw References: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:59:28 +0000 (UTC) > Dogs. Ice Cream. Pickles. End of discussion.=20 Ferrets. Rhubarb Pie. Lutefisk. No it isn't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 18:11:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53F2B3BFBD; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: LooperWiki needed. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2E52@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Topic: LooperWiki needed. Thread-Index: AcfkGsLQWmePBnzXSh6Cci6Vmz/9UQAAt0jA References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) > During the discussion of the software Repeater there were references to > several software devices that were a mystery to me > (VDP? something like that) In this particular case we were using the acronym VRP to refer to the Virtual Repeater, which I incorrectly spelled VPR a few times. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 18:33:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 587DF3BF98; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UEWAuYPTHK65UcSryt//8phzPIW0GaXI648DV2O4tM6G9R9Pif2YvMUDooIyFZMMGtptQSigQ94xR8ct2VVbd27ORdK5XcGk+gYg4tWrSNb6B6GEYJfGQSFIoGq/B6sp4wKAUs2urECf4RV9J7ZE9zlTp1ZnfdNJ6EAyVAoRF8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gyD3c6GVTHe+ToVw5Ixbiwc866fI5kvVXVllZnVwHz9gOSYOIK/whvrK9D+maWnUNklELV/ZjaDdjKIpdKKiaidjYyM0qBFVuAmTtNe/wuQiV+b+O7dFR3c90ibXYkkwBOzZp2qUHCZr4Mabgn3a9CSp+vqVU6EHnFIk8QgGQTI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> References: <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2608E26C-7807-42AD-9D4E-065AE142709D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:33:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9Ap2KB.A.GdH.KAzyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:33:46 +0000 (UTC) >>> I've never heard Max Headroom but an educated guess gives that >>> the voice may have been created with this classic technique: >>> >>> 1. Keep the audio to be "stretched" as an audio file. >>> 2. In some music software, make a playback loop of the file. >>> 3. Minimize the loop length until only one tiny slice is looping, >>> making a buzzing sound. >>> 4. Align the loop's start point and loop point to a controller. >>> Now regard the loop as "a window" that you can move through the >>> entire audio file. Forwards or backwards. When the looping >>> "playback window" moves by a syllable it will sound more >>> stretched the slower you move it. On 21 aug 2007, at 19.38, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Per, thanks for this info. I had actually wrote, then scrapped, an > email to LD a few months ago asking whether this technique was > possible using any kind of current technology. I thought it was > some brilliant idea I had come up with!...now I see it's been > around forever (in computer years)! I just love the idea of making > the dimension of time absolutely plastic, or even static, with > regards to playback. Do you know of any audio examples where I > might hear this? No. But you can try it out for yourself with any software that will let you perform all four steps. Ableton Live, i guess, or maybe it is their sampler Sampler that can do this, I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure you can quickly set it up in Bidule or Max/msp. Eventually Kontakt 2 can do it as well, maybe if hosted in Bidule which will expose all parameters and let you assign the same controller to "increase/decrease value for start point" and "increase/ decrease value for loop point". Note that this is an advice for a technique and not an advice for a plug-in. No plug-in can make anything sound the same as a human "playing" a knob assigned to sweep the looping window through a sample. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 18:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D12E93BF84; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2608E26C-7807-42AD-9D4E-065AE142709D@gmail.com> References: <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> <2608E26C-7807-42AD-9D4E-065AE142709D@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:39:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: stretching words Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <26bmMB.A.L2H.HGzyGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) At 8:33 PM +0200 8/21/07, Per Boysen wrote: >>>>I've never heard Max Headroom but an educated guess gives that >>>>the voice may have been created with this classic technique: >>>> >>>>1. Keep the audio to be "stretched" as an audio file. >>>>2. In some music software, make a playback loop of the file. >>>>3. Minimize the loop length until only one tiny slice is looping, >>>>making a buzzing sound. >>>>4. Align the loop's start point and loop point to a controller. >>>>Now regard the loop as "a window" that you can move through the >>>>entire audio file. Forwards or backwards. When the looping >>>>"playback window" moves by a syllable it will sound more >>>>stretched the slower you move it. > >On 21 aug 2007, at 19.38, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>Per, thanks for this info. I had actually wrote, then scrapped, an >>email to LD a few months ago asking whether this technique was >>possible using any kind of current technology. I thought it was >>some brilliant idea I had come up with!...now I see it's been >>around forever (in computer years)! I just love the idea of making >>the dimension of time absolutely plastic, or even static, with >>regards to playback. Do you know of any audio examples where I >>might hear this? > >No. But you can try it out for yourself with any software that will >let you perform all four steps. Ableton Live, i guess, or maybe it >is their sampler Sampler that can do this, I don't remember. But >I'm pretty sure you can quickly set it up in Bidule or Max/msp. >Eventually Kontakt 2 can do it as well, maybe if hosted in Bidule >which will expose all parameters and let you assign the same >controller to "increase/decrease value for start point" and >"increase/decrease value for loop point". Note that this is an >advice for a technique and not an advice for a plug-in. No plug-in >can make anything sound the same as a human "playing" a knob >assigned to sweep the looping window through a sample. Also, check out Os' "Crossfade Loop Synth" ( http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ ). It's a cool environment for doing similar capture-and-scrub sorts of effects. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DA4C3BFB1; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hyoWeug7HM8Rcx/w21uO0CImeGVBArDzKmgcdVG0DARlvT+yj3ORghAMb1MjNw4hXut7yrQVS3Rr08eUmS/OM0n22mkS/XM/YA90TMjpMwZv1ZENIaajTK55T6iaWM2S7ory433XPEZnY9xjRAo3HoE7tn6qnGl1qjrRuY4qewg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WzP+wvzoLvdrRd/dpurMVd7+20eAcPuSWR7rQ7mqC+HK2Hx1KBULPLgHqHmYVtyvuOqNcNz3mViEhHVHueRs564LQYTZrrjp/Oc7Pne681UDSySGow7geKfXcuzPMiTRGL+HwM1eaM6trJ07rXyx8MOx1gvSrMoXcG4wihmJjGU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:05:05 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: virtual baggy pants and the upcoming kybermusik release In-Reply-To: <46CB029F.6060709@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44575_19255369.1187723105085" References: <20070821151207.430C33BF8B@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CB029F.6060709@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:05:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_44575_19255369.1187723105085 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Great news! But don't worry... now I close my mouth. 2007/8/21, Daryl Shawn : > > > > Ok, the following info is of course strictly confidential - hope it > doesn't leak to the internet ;) > > > > There will be a kybermusik release by me, which contains edits from > internet sessions (mostly Ninjam) I did between end of 2005 and April of > 2007. > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_44575_19255369.1187723105085 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Great news! But don't worry... now I close my mouth.

2007/8/21, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>:

> Ok, the following info is of course strictly confidential - hope it doesn't leak to the internet ;)
>
> There will be a kybermusik release by me, which contains edits from internet sessions (mostly Ninjam) I did between end of 2005 and April of 2007.




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_44575_19255369.1187723105085-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 19:38:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93EF53BF79; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=G/QgYZVfo+Ysmbd0XyJITFeRKopzfe9zn45sT0jnCfiOqG8XX45OLufS6712d298yuPNzgQuEAP/R2LoqUNo9n77TrkD992rE2LWkBTCNlZstKA3vKDAjfj+yse9a4XSbQtmVFpRWWOGtkh2bsxNAYqwJxPklJ3B0bfAssyJvE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tmvYb8s8QxQ/xSDu8LisJ8yF300Jjqq4MHIL3uFt95xsI0/RwYCroMdLOyDZN6bl8oxu1KnhXib6hNy4AcrjA3m72pvP9kPnv3p0B5RfYKZs3Pf4LDp6+vN4/z8Qf06bbvhjGYO4/8OGfe+IRHqLrAOjzD5ifEboyAysP5Cs3F0= Message-ID: <00bd01c7e42a$cf2164a0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: To: References: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <7A6AF90D-ECE0-434E-963F-4E34EBE7025F@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:38:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C7E43B.90E2BB10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:38:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C7E43B.90E2BB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for everyones contributions to this thread... I think I got some goo= d feedback, and have decded to stick wth my EDP / Repeater combo, and stret= ch for the upgrade. To Zoe, yours pretty much had eveything I needed, and actually agree with = you about gear comparsons being a bit silly... However, what tried to emph= asise n my mail, was that ddnt want to get feature comparisons, but FEEL c= omparisons.. what does it FEEL LKE MAN to play. Wth EDP I forget what the footswitches do.. my feet glide about over the FC= B1010 and loop, multipy, insert and chop snppity snip, sizzle wibble comes = out... With Repeater, I methodically, look at it, select a track, record a = loop, and play to it for a whle, then I stop playing and fiddle with it to = pitch it a bit, then I play some more... all n all ... more dull... nice so= unds tho... I want to keep t just for the sound of the tempo wound down to = 1 BPM... OH MUMMY !!!! guess people notce that m havng trouble with my ( ) key (that is the one ne= xt to U and O grrr.. Nikolas (1.5 yr old son) picke t off... never the same= !!! ... and no one tried rearranging the tracks slip via a sequencer=3F=3F=3F Oki dok= then.. tis up to me... I shall return!! Mark... PS, Is anyone up for margeritas round the pool in SF in Sept... 15th / 16th= maybe=3F=3F AND does anyone live in Ventura=3F=3F=3F -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14028 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C7E43B.90E2BB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for everyones contributions to this thread... I think= I got some good feedback, and have decded to stick wth my EDP / Repeater comb= o, and stretch for the upgrade.
 
To Zoe, yours pretty much h= ad eveything I needed, and actually  agree with you about gear comparsons= being a bit silly... However, what  tried to emphasise n my mail, was that  ddnt want to get feature comparisons, but FEEL comparisons.. wha= t does it FEEL LKE MAN to play.
 
Wth EDP I forget what the footswitches do.. my feet glide about over the FCB1010 and loop, multipy, i= nsert and chop snppity snip, sizzle wibble comes out... With Repeater, I methodically, look at it, select a track, record a loop, and play to it for= a whle, then I stop playing and fiddle with it to pitch it a bit, then I play= some more... all n all ... more dull... nice sounds tho... I want to keep t just= for the sound of the tempo wound down to 1 BPM... OH MUMMY !!!! 
 
guess people notce that = m havng trouble with my ( ) key (that is the one next to U and O gr= rr.. Nikolas (1.5 yr old son) picke t off... never the same!!!
 
 
... and no one tried rearranging the tracks slip via a sequencer=3F=3F=3F Oki dok then.. tis up to me.= .. I shall return!!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C7E43B.90E2BB10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:06:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B5F3BF40; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <004701c7e42e$c0bc8f80$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:06:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Oh I almost forgot you can stretch words with the edp you need a non latching midi controler that can send several messages at press and several at release and the two edp messages are "retrigger" at button press and, at button release the "rettriger note off" and "start point" messages. with this setup if you fire a burst of fast button presses the text will be granulated in small chunks and stretched I do that with my Peavey pc1600x tabletop midi controler or my digitech pmc10 foot controler Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:23:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256543BF7F; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JDmYOit47tYuEFYGXvpLjtlw1qRHPuin+RO+kTKzMV8eeBWAE9igelT2WnGVhJs2z2dKM60aiwN8FrTscYcaqaIRi19GOXNELUvTmpvly8CtwyZZl4jv7kSHKa0OGH91agQ7gceiuJcq5eadrEzvLOR2C9iuE79qG8Q7KhYcr4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f01TI4VL46WKzsorXk5uiZc2mhdlAZC/F89HmOvh02XIaPuuWbzdffFN+YwqqOkYrP39CeGvkWeCKo5TmzU6qRZac5Aft6+4+BrojYxfGaxBusTvAgagZ1zTuMuG9jqaaBk0QrmpjQ+n+nUzirav2fFt62a4Ef2t82w0VkQLVFs= Message-ID: <46CB4A1F.5030000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:25:03 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: More newb questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:23:18 +0000 (UTC) I am running sooperlooper on my macbook, and I cant even get started. I have jack running and started, and i have sooperlooper open. I jsut want to get it to record from my internal mic, so i can get a feel for the system, and it wont record. I click record and it starts recording, but there is no playback, no sound is looped From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372C73BF7B; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ba01c7e432$2f3e53a0$0200a8c0@LittleTosh> Reply-To: "Nik Tembe" <"fluke 'at'gotadsl'dot'co'dot'uk"@smtp.nildram.co.uk> From: "Nik Tembe" To: Subject: FS: Echoplex EDP+ in UK/Europe Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:30:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Like the subject says, I have a black Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale. So it's fully loaded with memory and Loop IV software from the factory. Also a tan foot controller for it. I am in the UK, so shipping to the UK or Europe would be most economical. But since the power supply in these is universal, it will work pretty well anywhere in the world. It is in great condition. I bought it from contributor Kelly Coyle about 18 months ago and it hasen't left my studio room since. Works fine, but it's not for me. I would prefer payment via Paypal, but will consider other arrangements. Make me an offer! Cheers, Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 20:44:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 595013BF96; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004701c7e42e$c0bc8f80$4001a8c0@mini> References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> <004701c7e42e$c0bc8f80$4001a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23832329-5900-4E8F-B5FE-83CE484F36BA@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:44:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Or: Also EDP with non-latching MIDI foot controller: Configure button press/release to Note On/Off DirectMIDI SUSToggleReverse (Source# offset 23, EDP Manual p.7-5). Here's a sample, approx. 19 secs into this track: http://bernhardwagner.net/soundz/ WhatsThatThingHangingInTheBackOfYourRoomLong5Voice.mp3 (1:16, 1.2MB) Bernhard On 21.08.2007, at 22:06, Claude Voit wrote: > you can stretch words with the edp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:00:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70CA73BF79; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=izmXEzBoPUufJRy9scD0M7FgFhD5gc5yRB0ka1iGcMG4/81kYH/+6O940BW/VCGisA0tudyCNH+q5HerxIoUGvrjM4qQcdJVtbGqJCIyuS/C7CVl2W1XeyTXMUDz8U4DuQLN85kaUGxP61ILk/f8W8XKO2zoNnf9WmMbt5eLdko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DUznbh53Ug+GHVf8HUMKm72MWGfzN1qpDMe3QD+wJxfMiN03gHCjW7k+9M887sDF3KCxMclmcPRapyOW6irZo/noYMR664kswGpDewtnS/riF1Aj1rD3+DCUnWDoBoW1ZRq3jnJ4j5ZsRES9Y/x04UFjcUveF2EUmgHfZN7kcO0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:00:48 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hassell In-Reply-To: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:00:50 +0000 (UTC) The Bay Area has a few people working in this realm - Liz Allbee is a trumpet player who acoustically gets a lot of the Jon Hassell sounds. She wasn't familiar with Hassell until too many people were telling her she must be a fan. (Actually she isn't - Jon's a little too new agey for her.) Liz is most comfortable doing improv and/or noise music. Sometimes she uses a bunch of pedals, but the technique is already there. Polly Moller is a bass flautist who does some of the multiphonic stuff. Kyle Bruckmann is someone who really rocks at this, and he's an oboe player. He's got an amazing range for that instrument, and a ton of techniques. One is to take it apart and make very computer-like white noise sounds by blowing in different parts. He can also make sounds that could very easily be mistaken for a synthesizer or laptop computer, yet he's completely acoustic. One of his groups is called Shudder - with sax player Phillip Greenlief and laptop computer person Lance Grabmiller. http://www.myspace.com/shudder3 There's quite a bit more - more than half of the sax and clarinet players in our little community have learned to use circular breathing with their instruments. Matt On 8/20/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > Our beloved and dearly departed Dr. Richard Zvonar > toured with Hassell and told me that all of the > cool timbres he got that sound so electronic that he could produce > with the acoustic instrument by itself. > > I've been playing a lot of pocket trumpet and flugelhorn this past year > (just beginning) but this comment got me to thinking about > the use of breathe and wind noise as a kind of faux 'synthesizer' element > in both brass playing and woodwind playing. > > Instruments, of course, like the middleeastern Ney have such difficult > embouchures > to use that they force a hell of a lot of air past the slit in the reed, > forcing a very > breathy sound. > > The amazing avant garde bass flautist (oh, he hates that moniker and > prefers flute player instead) > Robert Dick gets amazing wind controlled noises from his instrument and has > an uncanny ability > to direct noise sounds to the one of 4 microphones that he puts on his > custom bass flute. > > Anyone intersested in instrumentalists who use their instruments in really > creative extended > ways owe it to themselves to check out his work. > > Anyway, I've really been into getting the very breathiest (does this word > sound suspiciously like > Steve Corell's 'truthiness'? lol) sound out of the trumpet. > > Hassel is an amazing artist and amazingly , he is a minimalist. > It is much harder to be a minimalist and have a completely unique sound on > an instrument. > > ..........he's and amazingly high bar to shoot for. > > ******** > So this found sound looper's trumpet featured debut is at this years' > Woodstockhausen Festival of Esoteric Music on September 23rd in the Santa > Cruz Redwood mountain forest. > > I figured that since I have been playing drums for exactly 40 years this > year and trumpet for under one year that I would > create a piece called the Rick Walker Drum and Bugle Choir and treat each > instruments as a found sound object. > Wish me luck..............I'll literally be quaking in my boots while I > attempt this piece. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 22:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EEF73BF79; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.236] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <950939.63536.qm@web60319.mail.yahoo.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater = looperlative comparisons Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:21:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 22:21:53.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD08A2E0:01C7E441] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:21:55 +0000 (UTC) >From: rabbirabbifive > > >>The looperlative is pretty strictly one function per button so > >>there IS a lot of bank switching on the midi controller to deal with. > > >no sorry, this isn't true - the LP-1 can map up to 8 commands to a > > single > >button press > > >sim > > >Those are "chained" functions- several things triggered by one button >press. Only one function can be defined per midi number, but that >function can have up to 8 commands in it. > >What I'm talking about is the kind of functionality on the EDP where >the same button takes on multiple tasks depending on context. ahh i see - i misunderstood what you were saying - apologies! sim _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 23:32:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 399A93BF71; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:25:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Doug and Per, with your help I got it up and running... but I don't think this type of thing will work for me. I record that first loop, all by my lonesome, and just as I end the loop my drum machine (Rayzoon's Jamstix) starts playing along just like a drummer joining in. Perfect! Then I decided to start a second loop... oops. No more sync for Jamstix. Everything screeches to a halt. (except for the sound of me recording my second loop) Is there some work around I'm unaware of? I can't imagine... unless somehow the second loop had a preset length (like Jeff is working on for me) Mobius could send sync right away because IT KNOWS. Now doing it this way Mobius has no way of knowing what I'm going to do for my next loop so it sits patently and waits. OH well. At least I made it happen. I'm home from work with a fever, That's probably why. BTW to all, check out Jamstix. It's a really great tool for doing loops with... you know, when Rick Walker's not around. Mark On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in > Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to > send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then > extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" > module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd > to the "Clock to Sync" module. > > Works like a charm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 21 23:44:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551933BF61; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VpJlja8eSOZU67gYvuXSL8wKzfh7pK4RO3yaiKRoTIBaNscQrWNa9lnQce8r47kQSLYV5IPtjPT6ENrnt1croAudPVbnUEZlmZK2dYXWEtF+YTkjSn471fPYrbWSyvFV3gGZ9oBRGRDZez5v8hh/PFAg9Wa4iZEQPS3cHppcU9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hu8IIN52JZ56jv2o3t9ZglWrq8qdnq0cGsoauEjvuHzNPsYXrGovNwb/ZA+IOsBeZuSescI32ZjjBQNj1bd161L+e+RHIc/U7aJh40wR9fyFAL1pVXphd8Uzzk0VCT/iw1GfU6KnQC4Y+77Xr57kVn8l16JeI7Fcr4MDyVX4w3c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:44:36 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More newb questions In-Reply-To: <46CB4A1F.5030000@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CB4A1F.5030000@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 30fed865eb123714 Resent-Message-ID: <2bAJjB.A.wTC.mj3yGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:44:39 +0000 (UTC) On 8/21/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > I am running sooperlooper on my macbook, and I cant even get started. I > have jack running and started, and i have sooperlooper open. I jsut want > to get it to record from my internal mic, so i can get a feel for the > system, and it wont record. I click record and it starts recording, but > there is no playback, no sound is looped You need to connect your inputs and outputs to Sooperlooper using JackPilot's Routing window. You click on your Built in Audio on the left, then double-click on the sooperlooper on the right, and vice versa. You should then see some meter activity in SL and recording and playback will work. Since you are on a macbook, you will have needed to make an aggregate audio device so the inputs and outputs show up in the same device, which you pick in the JackPilot setup. If you haven't already, you do this from the /Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup, look in the Audio menu for the Aggregate device editor. Consider joining the SL mailing list ( https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users ) for more discussion (it is low volume). For MIDI control of the standalone SL, you will need the tool Midi Patchbay (see the SL website for more info). jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 00:16:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B6A3BF75; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CB8066.6010706@hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:16:38 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hassell (regarding flute looping) References: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) RICK WALKER wrote: > (...) > > The amazing avant garde bass flautist (oh, he hates that moniker and > prefers flute player instead) > Robert Dick gets amazing wind controlled noises from his instrument > and has an uncanny ability > to direct noise sounds to the one of 4 microphones that he puts on his > custom bass flute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTD5NkQKh0 List member Tilmann Dehnhard breathes loops! (YouTube search for "Tilmann Dehnhard looping" is fruitful!) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 00:55:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F8CE3BF71; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070821175309.00e582a0@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:57:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: stretching words In-Reply-To: <46CB230F.7040608@mhorse.com> References: <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070821172354.C0A5B3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-356B3D4C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC) listen to the end of Naked Blues on my website. I do this live with the EDP with a guitar loop... http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn It's in the music section... Obviously! :) -And Andre LaFosse has many EDP examples of this... I'm sure there are others as well, but (pardon the expression) :) I've been out of the loop for a bit in regard to this! lol!... Smiles, Cara :) At 10:38 AM 8/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Per, thanks for this info. I had actually wrote, then scrapped, an email >to LD a few months ago asking whether this technique was possible using >any kind of current technology. I thought it was some brilliant idea I had >come up with!...now I see it's been around forever (in computer years)! I >just love the idea of making the dimension of time absolutely plastic, or >even static, with regards to playback. Do you know of any audio examples >where I might hear this? > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >>>I've never heard Max Headroom but an educated guess gives that the voice >>>may have been created with this classic technique: >>> >>>1. Keep the audio to be "stretched" as an audio file. >>>2. In some music software, make a playback loop of the file. >>>3. Minimize the loop length until only one tiny slice is looping, making >>>a buzzing sound. >>>4. Align the loop's start point and loop point to a controller. Now >>>regard the loop as "a window" that you can move through the entire audio >>>file. Forwards or backwards. When the looping "playback window" moves by >>>a syllable it will sound more stretched the slower you move it. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 01:12:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 753403BF76; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070821181223.020b5568@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:14:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Repeater vs Looperlative AND Repeater 2.01 upgrade In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7e42a$cf2164a0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <082120071731.13421.46CB218E00091ADD0000346D2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <7A6AF90D-ECE0-434E-963F-4E34EBE7025F@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-356B3D4C; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46CB8E1A5328=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:12:52 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46CB8E1A5328======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4257952==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-356B3D4C --=====================_4257952==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-356B3D4C does anyone live in Ventura??? About twenty mins away! Well, on a good traffic day really; so you can usually figure only about four hours or so! lol!... Smiles, Cara :) At 09:38 PM 8/21/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks for everyones contributions to this thread... I think I got some >good feedback, and have decded to stick wth my EDP / Repeater combo, and >stretch for the upgrade. > >To Zoe, yours pretty much had eveything I needed, and actually agree with >you about gear comparsons being a bit silly... However, what tried to >emphasise n my mail, was that ddnt want to get feature comparisons, but >FEEL comparisons.. what does it FEEL LKE MAN to play. > >Wth EDP I forget what the footswitches do.. my feet glide about over the >FCB1010 and loop, multipy, insert and chop snppity snip, sizzle wibble >comes out... With Repeater, I methodically, look at it, select a track, >record a loop, and play to it for a whle, then I stop playing and fiddle >with it to pitch it a bit, then I play some more... all n all ... more >dull... nice sounds tho... I want to keep t just for the sound of the >tempo wound down to 1 BPM... OH MUMMY !!!! > >guess people notce that m havng trouble with my ( ) key (that is the one >next to U and O grrr.. Nikolas (1.5 yr old son) picke t off... never the >same!!! > > >... and no one tried rearranging the tracks slip via a sequencer??? Oki >dok then.. tis up to me... I shall return!! > >Mark... > >PS, Is anyone up for margeritas round the pool in SF in Sept... 15th / >16th maybe?? AND does anyone live in Ventura??? > > > > > >---------- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 14028 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 >4:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_4257952==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-356B3D4C does anyone live in Ventura???

About twenty mins away!  Well, on a good traffic day really; so you can usually figure only about four hours or so!  lol!...

Smiles,

Cara  :)

At 09:38 PM 8/21/2007 +0200, you wrote:

Thanks for everyones contributions to this thread... I think I got some good feedback, and have decded to stick wth my EDP / Repeater combo, and stretch for the upgrade.
 
To Zoe, yours pretty much had eveything I needed, and actually  agree with you about gear comparsons being a bit silly... However, what  tried to emphasise n my mail, was that  ddnt want to get feature comparisons, but FEEL comparisons.. what does it FEEL LKE MAN to play.
 
Wth EDP I forget what the footswitches do.. my feet glide about over the FCB1010 and loop, multipy, insert and chop snppity snip, sizzle wibble comes out... With Repeater, I methodically, look at it, select a track, record a loop, and play to it for a whle, then I stop playing and fiddle with it to pitch it a bit, then I play some more... all n all ... more dull... nice sounds tho... I want to keep t just for the sound of the tempo wound down to 1 BPM... OH MUMMY !!!!
 
guess people notce that m havng trouble with my ( ) key (that is the one next to U and O grrr.. Nikolas (1.5 yr old son) picke t off... never the same!!!
 
 
... and no one tried rearranging the tracks slip via a sequencer??? Oki dok then.. tis up to me... I shall return!!
 
Mark...
 
PS, Is anyone up for margeritas round the pool in SF in Sept... 15th / 16th maybe?? AND does anyone live in Ventura???




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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:= 02 PM --=======AVGMAIL-46CB8E1A5328=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 01:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC8553BF52; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012e01c7e459$c18d8c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Hassell Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:14:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: Polly Moller is a bass flautist who does some of the multiphonic stuff. Polly is a wonderful musician and a dear friend of mine. She was a student of Robert Dick's and introduced the two of us which eventually led to me doing a short tour in Northern California with him. I owe this talented musician a lot. We first met when she had my wife's group Lackadaisy perform on her woman's music television program when I was playing bass for my wife. I introduced her to one of my very best friends, Jeff Davis, who has a wonderful studio (and is a great producer) in Eugene, Oregon and she has ended up doing all of her recordings there. Polly Moller rocks!!!!! I just wanted to chip in and say that in public. She just did a performance with her new band (with Amar Chaudry , an electronic musician/live looper who has performed at our looping festivals in years' past). I got the directions wrong and ended up walking in as they were recieving their applause for the last encore..................didn't hear a damn note. I was bummed. I really wanted to hear what Amar would do with Polly's music which has Celtic and Ambient elements in a vocal/flute presentation. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 01:33:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37FD63BF75; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cqQIsdu9/DByDUzKDTgcfREtPY6Oo2OziVIXTW/BYHEP2I0PicJOWtFYOmvmxCnWK+6B/doph+/z8BtMO2gaJx28zWywthsTpIzr6JUhC+Iot+PNr9Pqw/W+H/L/8i+JhJLIiO8kTZfIsp9zyXoWgO0BaYxOmjvvJATNnKT9b4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Qeg1pOSiipBoHx7R0vhtw5b7imxk8lYMxwM51a/udHC0WtYQ9lhggmGQmBCofMdr7zzSbCGIObCPBts88X7Z1G14rDcH1SLXnnEP15SYcd2UgNs5wJ1tiy45gGZ5eUew/Qo/r0am9bF3Xa3TntF2gsISnqHc6VBvb9nuEmMGA2A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:33:19 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of In-Reply-To: <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110978_17561963.1187746399651" References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <14I5dC.A.4JF.gJ5yGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:33:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_110978_17561963.1187746399651 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jamstix is awesome. :) I'm not using it right now because it's pretty CPU heavy, but it's a blast to play with. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're describing. Are you creating this "second loop" in the same track/loop position as the first one (the master loop)? If so, what you're saying makes sense (and I can confirm I've experienced it) - Mobius stops sending clock when there is no complete loop to act as the master loop. If you're creating this second loop on another track or another loop on the same track, then I'm confused. Mobius should still be sending clock based on that first master loop. Doug On 8/21/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Thanks Doug and Per, with your help I got it up and running... but I > don't think this type of thing will work for me. I record that first > loop, all by my lonesome, and just as I end the loop my drum machine > (Rayzoon's Jamstix) starts playing along just like a drummer joining > in. Perfect! Then I decided to start a second loop... oops. No > more sync for Jamstix. Everything screeches to a halt. (except for > the sound of me recording my second loop) > > Is there some work around I'm unaware of? I can't imagine... unless > somehow the second loop had a preset length (like Jeff is working on > for me) Mobius could send sync right away because IT KNOWS. Now > doing it this way Mobius has no way of knowing what I'm going to do > for my next loop so it sits patently and waits. > > OH well. At least I made it happen. I'm home from work with a > fever, That's probably why. > > BTW to all, check out Jamstix. It's a really great tool for doing > loops with... you know, when Rick Walker's not around. > > Mark > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in > > Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to > > send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then > > extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" > > module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd > > to the "Clock to Sync" module. > > > > Works like a charm. > > ------=_Part_110978_17561963.1187746399651 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jamstix is awesome. :)  I'm not using it right now because it's pretty CPU heavy, but it's a blast to play with.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're describing.  Are you creating this "second loop" in the same track/loop position as the first one (the master loop)?  If so, what you're saying makes sense (and I can confirm I've experienced it) - Mobius stops sending clock when there is no complete loop to act as the master loop.

If you're creating this second loop on another track or another loop on the same track, then I'm confused.  Mobius should still be sending clock based on that first master loop.

Doug

On 8/21/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Thanks Doug and Per, with your help I got it up and running...  but I
don't think this type of thing will work for me.  I record that first
loop, all by my lonesome, and just as I end the loop my drum machine
(Rayzoon's Jamstix) starts playing along just like a drummer joining
in.  Perfect!  Then I decided to start a second loop... oops.  No
more sync for Jamstix.  Everything screeches to a halt. (except for
the sound of me recording my second loop)

Is there some work around I'm unaware of?  I can't imagine... unless
somehow the second loop had a preset length (like Jeff is working on
for me) Mobius could send sync right away because IT KNOWS.  Now
doing it this way Mobius has no way of knowing what I'm going to do
for my  next loop so it sits patently and waits.

OH well.  At least I made it happen.  I'm home from work with a
fever,  That's probably why.

BTW to all, check out Jamstix.  It's a really great tool for doing
loops with... you know, when Rick Walker's not around.

Mark

On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote:

> FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in
> Bidule using the built-in sync method.  Instead, I setup Mobius to
> send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then
> extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync"
> module.  Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd
> to the "Clock to Sync" module.
>
> Works like a charm.


------=_Part_110978_17561963.1187746399651-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 02:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94E93BF75; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--1009969616 Message-Id: <011F55FE-34F0-4956-861E-8BD76E779B90@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:43:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:50:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--1009969616 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, I'm trying to create an a/b loop structure with another track as an "ambience" track... which perhaps answered my question. Make that track first. Duh. My fever broke! Thanks for the shove, Mark On Aug 21, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Jamstix is awesome. :) I'm not using it right now because it's > pretty CPU heavy, but it's a blast to play with. > > I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're describing. Are you > creating this "second loop" in the same track/loop position as the > first one (the master loop)? If so, what you're saying makes sense > (and I can confirm I've experienced it) - Mobius stops sending > clock when there is no complete loop to act as the master loop. > > If you're creating this second loop on another track or another > loop on the same track, then I'm confused. Mobius should still be > sending clock based on that first master loop. > > Doug > > On 8/21/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Thanks Doug and Per, with your help I got it up and running... but I > don't think this type of thing will work for me. I record that first > loop, all by my lonesome, and just as I end the loop my drum machine > (Rayzoon's Jamstix) starts playing along just like a drummer joining > in. Perfect! Then I decided to start a second loop... oops. No > more sync for Jamstix. Everything screeches to a halt. (except for > the sound of me recording my second loop) > > Is there some work around I'm unaware of? I can't imagine... unless > somehow the second loop had a preset length (like Jeff is working on > for me) Mobius could send sync right away because IT KNOWS. Now > doing it this way Mobius has no way of knowing what I'm going to do > for my next loop so it sits patently and waits. > > OH well. At least I made it happen. I'm home from work with a > fever, That's probably why. > > BTW to all, check out Jamstix. It's a really great tool for doing > loops with... you know, when Rick Walker's not around. > > Mark > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in > > Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to > > send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then > > extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" > > module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd > > to the "Clock to Sync" module. > > > > Works like a charm. > > --Apple-Mail-6--1009969616 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, I'm trying to create an = a/b loop structure with another track as an "ambience" track... which = perhaps answered my question.=A0 Make that track first.=A0 Duh.=A0 My = fever broke!

Thanks = for the shove,

Mark

= On Aug 21, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Doug Cox wrote:

Jamstix is = awesome. :)=A0 I'm not using it right now because it's pretty CPU heavy, = but it's a blast to play with.

I'm not sure I understand exactly = what you're describing.=A0 Are you creating this "second loop" in the = same track/loop position as the first one (the master loop)?=A0 If so, = what you're saying makes sense (and I can confirm I've experienced it) - = Mobius stops sending clock when there is no complete loop to act as the = master loop.

If you're creating this second loop on another = track or another loop on the same track, then I'm confused.=A0 Mobius = should still be sending clock based on that first master = loop.

Doug

On 8/21/07, = Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> = wrote:
Thanks Doug and Per, with your help I got it up and = running...=A0=A0but I
don't think this type of thing will work for = me.=A0=A0I record that first
loop, all by my lonesome, and just as I = end the loop my drum machine
(Rayzoon's Jamstix) starts playing = along just like a drummer joining
in.=A0=A0Perfect!=A0=A0Then I = decided to start a second loop... oops.=A0=A0No
more sync for = Jamstix.=A0=A0Everything screeches to a halt. (except for
the sound = of me recording my second loop)

Is there some work around I'm = unaware of?=A0=A0I can't imagine... unless
somehow the second loop = had a preset length (like Jeff is working on
for me) Mobius could = send sync right away because IT KNOWS.=A0=A0Now
doing it this way = Mobius has no way of knowing what I'm going to do
for my=A0=A0next = loop so it sits patently and waits.

OH well.=A0=A0At least I made = it happen.=A0=A0I'm home from work with a
fever,=A0=A0That's probably = why.

BTW to all, check out Jamstix.=A0=A0It's a really great = tool for doing
loops with... you know, when Rick Walker's not = around.

Mark

On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Doug Cox = wrote:

> FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to = Mobius in
> Bidule using the built-in sync method.=A0=A0Instead, = I setup Mobius to
> send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device = (Maple MIDI), and then
> extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse = using the "Clock to Sync"
> module.=A0=A0Then, any VST I want to = sync to Mobius is actually sync'd
> to the "Clock to Sync" = module.
>
> Works like a = charm.



= --Apple-Mail-6--1009969616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 04:14:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3213BF76; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <011F55FE-34F0-4956-861E-8BD76E779B90@zerocrossing.net> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> <011F55FE-34F0-4956-861E-8BD76E779B90@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8CACA19B-8889-4333-AC3B-9A795B320922@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:14:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:14:33 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure I fully understand the situation, but the rules for sending sync go like this: - the first track on which a loop is recorded becomes the sync master and determines the tempo - if the sync master track enters a state where the loop length is unknown output sync stops, this can happen in these situations - reset (obviously) - record (throw away the current loop and start over) - loop switch to an empty loop with Auto Record turned on It is this last case that causes the most surprises. Even though you had something cooking in the first loop, if you switch to another loop that is empty sync will stop unless you are using one of the various sound copy or time copy methods. If you need to keep sync going as you record new loops use LoopCopy=Timing to copy the cycle length from one loop to the next. Rather than start a recording from scratch, you'll start with an empty loop of a known size and immediately start overdubbing. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 04:50:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A10E3BF79; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8D926C4C-18FB-4250-8077-6C3A76C21E08@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <8CACA19B-8889-4333-AC3B-9A795B320922@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:49:58 -0700 References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> <011F55FE-34F0-4956-861E-8BD76E779B90@zerocrossing.net> <8CACA19B-8889-4333-AC3B-9A795B320922@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Ah! That's perfect! I think I can make use of that feature in Live as well... Most appreciative, Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > I'm not sure I fully understand the situation, but the rules for > sending sync > go like this: > > - the first track on which a loop is recorded becomes the sync master > and determines the tempo > > - if the sync master track enters a state where the loop length is > unknown > output sync stops, this can happen in these situations > > - reset (obviously) > - record (throw away the current loop and start over) > - loop switch to an empty loop with Auto Record turned on > > It is this last case that causes the most surprises. Even though you > had something cooking in the first loop, if you switch to another loop > that is empty sync will stop unless you are using one of the various > sound copy or time copy methods. > > If you need to keep sync going as you record new loops use > LoopCopy=Timing to copy the cycle length from one loop to the > next. Rather than start a recording from scratch, you'll start with > an empty loop of a known size and immediately start overdubbing. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 07:52:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16043BF5C; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jvCrPmOgS36Jr1i65PDE5x5eLtIUbq/anBPRQWlRP+uXqr9YtcAuMUuFAansbqm7h/ygcruc7DTea5ztyEGXTHq+LuRC2puEZkTxZDm6U8hprfcYK0dymZeVCuMV9H5ToucoqeVHU9yLL2RDRJ+qzHEZF3ls/cnTXr7/QrlNxoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nK60pVrIVyeTIoKAcOVWq8X6CfN+JzcC/fcpOOZa0bSoPyX6HD4STS1pMrtBHwtOCYcEeuSZ4YitrpGYXh8Zpr4OXNY1Gjq5qra8qdpWeKDiO+tx+juGDZDszBongL/BZKfs2y+LnwDQqVbtSRG/sOi9z/F1RhYpciWizvUUIHk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8D926C4C-18FB-4250-8077-6C3A76C21E08@zerocrossing.net> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> <1C4F928D-28FD-43B0-A58A-D899A96F9826@zerocrossing.net> <011F55FE-34F0-4956-861E-8BD76E779B90@zerocrossing.net> <8CACA19B-8889-4333-AC3B-9A795B320922@zonemobius.com> <8D926C4C-18FB-4250-8077-6C3A76C21E08@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Maple and Bidule... success! Kind of Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:52:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:52:43 +0000 (UTC) On 22 aug 2007, at 06.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Sent from my iPhone (Mobius realated) Just a hint to Mark that talked about the problem with sync out when staying on the first track (sync track). I too was frustrated with the need to switch track before laying down the second loop (in order to keep synced VST sequencers etc instantly going), so I wrote the script below to automatically switch track when I press Next Loop. I also expanded it to copy the first loop from Track 1 into Track 2 while muting Track 1. The point is that you leave the Sync Track (here Track 1) muted for the rest of the session, so it can carry on being the Sync Track whatever trashing and mangling you do to the other tracks as you go. You can even delete all other track's loops and still have the sync in perfect shape - driving VST drum sequencers etc. (I use a little different version of the script, since I run Mobius in Expert Performance Mode, to take advance of Secondary Feedback. If anyone else also uses Expert Mode I'd be happy to share the full script). per _____________________ !name Next Loop Special Wait cycle set saveSwitchQuant switchQuant set switchQuant off if Track = 1 Mute set TrackCopy Sound NextTrack Wait last set TrackCopy Timing NextLoop Wait last else NextLoop Wait last endif if mode = overdub set altFeedback 127 endif ____________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 08:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5EF03BF53; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070822020019.00e45cc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:01:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Stretching words In-Reply-To: <5B6CBF39-2A4F-496E-A7C4-A79D43192F0E@gmail.com> References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-397C45CE Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Per, sorry for the late response, but I wanted to join in and say how cool I think this track is! woohoo! you rock!... Smiles, CQ :) At 07:57 PM 8/20/2007 +0200, you wrote: >On 20 aug 2007, at 19.21, Veda, Qua wrote: > >>I have a project in mind where I'd like to stretch out the >>syllables of pre-recorded words - either in a sustained way, or >>with a stutter. For example, the word "sustained" might sound >>like "ssss-usss-taaaained", or "sust-t-t-t-a-a-a-ined" etc. >>I would not want the pitch or sound quality to be affected. >> >>What tools can be used to achieve this? I'm planning to end up in >>the Max/MSP environment but I'm not there yet. Are there VST's that >>do this kind of stretching or rendering of a recorded sample/file ? >> >>-Qua > >MethSynth Pro is the (OSX ) tool I chose for that kind of work. On >this audio example the recorded voice was treated in Meta Synth Pro: >http://www.looproom.com/aol/08_Making_Meaning.mp3 > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 09:48:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4F2F3BF5B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c7e4a1$9c253460$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <004101c7e398$31e2f4c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46CB8066.6010706@hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Hassell (regarding flute looping) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:48:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zfn4FSFl17SUgqGU5of7zqkluli8m4rLlgbh qEaPnnIVxJLqdWXv9f1pBh428qApzUvtO82Fowu59kVbkWD/4t KqJRsmHzeHJuZATT6Lo0DhoyQUUG+ki Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:48:22 +0000 (UTC) thanx for the flowers, david :o) robert dick is a true giant, i learned a lot from him in various classes over the years. here are some interesting colleagues, most of them loopers, too: matthias ziegler (swiss, develops new instruments with flute maker eva kingma, great musician! echoplex man) michael heupel (plays subcontrabass flute, no looping as far as i know, grrreat jazz player) stefan keller (fireworks into echoplex guy, made a whole cd with it. pretty tonal) sabine vogel (avantgarde player, great concept for noise, windnoise, etc. uses looping very tastefully) joos rink (classical player gone wild: great singing and playing, funny character, check out his live shows - hilarious) i know there is more of us out there, the aforementioned just jumped to my mind first. smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Auker" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Hassell (regarding flute looping) > RICK WALKER wrote: >> (...) >> >> The amazing avant garde bass flautist (oh, he hates that moniker and >> prefers flute player instead) >> Robert Dick gets amazing wind controlled noises from his instrument and >> has an uncanny ability >> to direct noise sounds to the one of 4 microphones that he puts on his >> custom bass flute. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTD5NkQKh0 > > List member Tilmann Dehnhard breathes loops! > > (YouTube search for "Tilmann Dehnhard looping" is fruitful!) > > David > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 10:10:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AA263BF1F; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Eau44SJd8Ry9C/ILYTKGh/rmKbmt5VzFu3VLRH3473uDvL1e4pHLEq5CImkgmutrJVu0Js8EuGvTh0H99D+BOf4Q0XLnD1M0MUPY00VI905Czdu5QE8xAbRcbgh90hY5iXG5oW85sRGmafOcaY/mXdv9IXdfAeSQXdSmqOd43Ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jGbSer8CfmBFfZCE2YOp8yS/gelr4GKUagmFuf6TCTEPPRo2yobiJJ5nVTnIHLG4QZXTTkj86JHW1679RYVtIY/Sk1AG4xtVuqM4tbuU6wARl68vaZxe5ZcxHfFd9hJHDaNYyYDVjQophJ3wM4ALBqOMYesOkNNzHsbFcKqiUAo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070822020019.00e45cc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070822020019.00e45cc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DB23BD1-2938-4C3C-9B49-0B695F8CCB75@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stretching words Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:10:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:10:34 +0000 (UTC) >> this audio example the recorded voice was treated in Meta Synth Pro: >> http://www.looproom.com/aol/08_Making_Meaning.mp3 On 22 aug 2007, at 11.01, Cara Quinn wrote: > Per, sorry for the late response, but I wanted to join in and say > how cool I think this track is! woohoo! you rock!... > > Smiles, > > CQ :) Thank you for the kind words, Cara. I just want to add, for the records, that this track was not "played" as a live looping performance. It was produced in the traditional DAW way; by composing, researching timbre and orchestration and finally recording the different parts. It is old work and today I try to stay away from composing and multitrack recording in favor of the improvisational live-looping approach that I find much more fun. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 11:24:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359BC3BF71; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:24:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per First of all thanks again for sharing your knowledge.... So i have got augustus and live running....augustus as sync master for live. And with this the problem of synchronization is solved. But the Augustus Freeze Loop button gets me nuts. Because I have to hit it at the exact point where the loop begins. Is there anyway around this? > You could read up on SooperLooper as well. Maybe that one suits > your needs better? It can run many parallel loops in sync. But it > cant act as the Sync Master for Live, but if you don't want to use > any tempo dependent effects of Live's that shouldn't be a problem. > Another host, that I like better, is Bidule. It can be used as a > simple host but it also has all kind of building objects all the > down to strict math for those who want to bild their own processing > units. The reason I prefer Bidule rather than Max is that the > interface is based on musical time (tempo, note duration etc) > rather than absolute time (milliseconds). As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out a way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent live tracks. Could you help me out on this one? Cheers! Ana ( on my way to live-loop) On Aug 20, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Ableton Live is not very accurate when in the Sync Slave position > because it applies a bit of rounding to the incoming tempo. That's > why Augustus Loop has this setting "Rounding tempos for Live" that > you should activate. On the rare occasions I loop with Augustus > under Live I use to run two loopers in parallel and ususally they > stay in sync well, one being the Sync Master for the host LIve as > well as the other Augustus Loop looper. If I do a lot of REverse or > changing of the Beat Devisor one looper might slip a quarter note > or so but then I bring it back into the music by some Revers > fiddling or simply kick Tap Record and redo the loops right on the > spot. > > There are two concepts of looping in Augustus. Either you keep the > input all up and activate Freeze Loop when you don't want the loop > to layer the incoming signal or you keep selected the Punch In and > PUnch Out buttons to do all substituting Redord that is also > quantized. Or you combine both methods. > > In live you can set up MIDI Clips that send the commands into > Augustus Loop and trig those MIDI Clips from external MIDI foot > pedals. YOu can also assign the MIDI foot pedals directly to the > Augustus' parameters or do a combination. Regard "having Live and > Augustus Loop" as the starting point from where you may design your > own looping system. > > I think Live/Augustus is nice for music that gain from a loose > timing and I find it very fun to play for a "glitchy and > experimental sound", although I prefer the looper Mobius > (unfortunately it runs under Windows, but now that's not a big > problem for todays' intel Macs that can boot Win as well by the > BootCamp utility). An improtant feature that i miss in all Mac > loopers of today is the Next Loop and Previous Loop function. I > like to work with five alternative loops on two, or more, parallel > tracks and then jump between these loops to simultaneously build up > and change up to five "song parts". To do that with Augustus or > SooperLooper you need to open a new instance of the looper plug-in > for every loop and that means almost as much fiddling on the > computer as if you would use Max/msp, Bidule or PD construct a > custom looper from scratch ;-)) > > You could read up on SooperLooper as well. Maybe that one suits > your needs better? It can run many parallel loops in sync. But it > cant act as the Sync Master for Live, but if you don't want to use > any tempo dependent effects of Live's that shouldn't be a problem. > Another host, that I like better, is Bidule. It can be used as a > simple host but it also has all kind of building objects all the > down to strict math for those who want to bild their own processing > units. The reason I prefer Bidule rather than Max is that the > interface is based on musical time (tempo, note duration etc) > rather than absolute time (milliseconds). > > per > > > On 20 aug 2007, at 01.34, jnd wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Thanks again Per for your advices...i managed to establish >> midiclock sync between Augustus and Live. >> But I could not achieve the goal of recording the following loops >> in sync with the first one. >> What i am doing wrong? >> Can you explain me step by step? Idiot proof style.... >> This is becoming frustrating....i always thought that preparing a >> live looping setup on ableton live....would be a more >> straightfoward thing. But it seems almost impossible... >> >> Thanks again Peri for your help....and anyone else willing to >> share the secret of how to live loop with ableton live. >> >> Ana >> >> >> On Aug 18, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On 18 aug 2007, at 20.20, jnd wrote: >>> >>>> Hi again Per ... >>>> >>>> Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow >>>> your instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his >>>> tempo as a midiclock? >>> >>> 1. Open the plug-in's GUI. >>> 2. Click the "About/Register" button. >>> 3. Select the "MIDI output" box. >>> 4. Either save your host and launch Live again or delete the plug- >>> in from the plug-in slot and open a new instance of it. This is >>> for the change to take effect. >>> >>> Augustus Loop now opens a virtual MIDI Port that is named >>> "Augustus Loop 1" by Ableton Live's MIDI/sync preferences. If you >>> open a second plug-in, on another Live track, it will show up as >>> "Augustus Loop 2". You should only use the first one as the Sync >>> Master though, so be sure to activate the green Host Tempo button >>> in the plug-in's GUI. >>> >>>> Greetings from Portugal >>> >>> Cool! I've been to Lisboa a couple of times and once lived four >>> months on Kap Verde (former Portuguese colony and still very >>> influenced, the vibe somewhere between Portugal and Africa) >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 11:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A5A33BF1F; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g2e06VVREuCh4P3LRDhcuDdKMvZ8sU4MWImTrcJqMbFX5QETByqF1Q+Yjy8PdGrQOpeaieZA9HSV3LMlBk0cLH0V6kYfZwoEilzYJl20yIHPQLzK1/rkNGXgelaDy36O/7wH2PX1J6qwVNqqHfcz9SlvJ62+rceAx5FfK7CFXlA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CE5gRBCSZabSm84sqIjgoIqCc3rHoVSJ/AcN3WND6PNtncG+1aLzW1YqzHt3Z40DZ4UQ1FFPnCtp9dD9zFxN+1CclYAtFMaJGuxyofjQsGYQQtMaW0lLk9UN5bon1Nm1C7GMqRtD8HU4rV6qfsKOx2eJ6aJh7874AbtVmD5RzjM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:36:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:37:04 +0000 (UTC) On 22 aug 2007, at 13.24, jnd wrote: > Hi Per > > First of all thanks again for sharing your knowledge.... > > So i have got augustus and live running....augustus as sync master > for live. And with this the problem of synchronization is solved. > But the Augustus Freeze Loop button gets me nuts. Because I have to > hit it at the exact point where the loop begins. Is there anyway > around this? I used to hit the Freeze Loop button after I had played something into the loop but before I would play something that I did not want to go into the loop. Using the Freeze Loop button works best with loop input knob set to full input. Another approach is to target the input level. This gives: Input Knob Level set to full = Overdub Mode Input Knob Level set to zero = Playback Mode A third trick is the Puch In function (se my earlier post) > As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out > a way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent > live tracks. Could you help me out on this one? Hm... Please forgive me if I'm mistaken (since I'm only looping in Mobius at the moment) but I think you have two choices with SooperLooper. 1) Run it as the standalone looper. This requires the Jack Utility on Mac and Linux. You can open more loops and set them to sync to the first loop. I'm not sure if each loop delivers a unique output to Jack. You'd better check this with the sours (SL manual or SL mailing list). 2) Open several instances of SooperLooper. Since you open these parallel instances on exclusive Audio Tracks they already are on separated outputs. Hence no need for an additional routing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 11:45:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631BA3BF7A; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09A35C46-F8DF-4B49-A686-5E01572C6F7C@strombolic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:45:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Not sure I understand the Punch in / out advice you gave me. Would you mind explaining it again? Thanks On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 22 aug 2007, at 13.24, jnd wrote: > >> Hi Per >> >> First of all thanks again for sharing your knowledge.... >> >> So i have got augustus and live running....augustus as sync master >> for live. And with this the problem of synchronization is solved. >> But the Augustus Freeze Loop button gets me nuts. Because I have >> to hit it at the exact point where the loop begins. Is there >> anyway around this? > > > I used to hit the Freeze Loop button after I had played something > into the loop but before I would play something that I did not want > to go into the loop. Using the Freeze Loop button works best with > loop input knob set to full input. > > Another approach is to target the input level. This gives: > Input Knob Level set to full = Overdub Mode > Input Knob Level set to zero = Playback Mode > > A third trick is the Puch In function (se my earlier post) > > >> As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out >> a way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent >> live tracks. Could you help me out on this one? > > Hm... Please forgive me if I'm mistaken (since I'm only looping in > Mobius at the moment) but I think you have two choices with > SooperLooper. > > 1) Run it as the standalone looper. This requires the Jack Utility > on Mac and Linux. You can open more loops and set them to sync to > the first loop. I'm not sure if each loop delivers a unique output > to Jack. You'd better check this with the sours (SL manual or SL > mailing list). > > 2) Open several instances of SooperLooper. Since you open these > parallel instances on exclusive Audio Tracks they already are on > separated outputs. Hence no need for an additional routing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 11:56:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD65E3BF7D; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JMGv+eOxiHejMvMyQ8Mj7oPSVN6RN1q+COJBiJTxRQX8toP9+8wGRITsZwjvyHEvpny7wKsksdlFpTF/9HmZQlXFrWhNJDQiLAmf9lEn2D2V4u8QAReP8nLt7+nenUi0o3r4bJc3cLYYPGU8tYP4Uubuq+/xa22nvrtOGSg/PXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=B57Xfw7Olx6D3+QFwYg4A0vBLue23zdPh22VyYTyf+Om+Jd7gxyUTAnu2/KlnwqhRDVdF6T5DLUKSWc5lnNhK8xt2MZQfJkJpa8+qt10FWiQTRNc4qQDbjKYPMyUr52fqpBq0RRgCMFZ8RIiD+2tHxEy3CQ9X96ENgzFUIHBCyE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:56:41 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Loop Sync In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb8685d011c7f0fd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) On 8/22/07, jnd wrote: > As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out a > way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent live > tracks. Could you help me out on this one? In your additional tracks created for the outputs, choose their input to be the sidechain outputs from the SL on the midi track, eg 3/4, 5/6, or 7/8 for loops 1, 2, and 3 respectively. Any more than that and you need to add a new instance of the SL plugin. I don't have the sw in front of me, so this could be slightly inaccurate. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:32:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F06A3BF78; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FD08FB9-60E5-408D-97C1-1A7F3727FB24@strombolic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jnd Subject: Re: First Loop Sync / Augustus midi remote control Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:32:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi again Do you control Augustus with a midi remote controller? Have you had any problems with that? I am trying to control Augustus with a max-msp patch that sends midi messages through controller 22 ( mapped on the augustus manual as input level knob ) channel 1. - on max-msp midi setup i have "from max-msp 1" chosen has an output device. - on Live Midi Sync preferences i have the input: from MaxMpsp1 Remote ON - on Augustus I have selected midi in Channel 1&2. (I am sure that Max is sending midi messages to Live because I tested making a Midi map on live.) Any ideas for targeting this problem? I know i am always writing to the list with more and more questions and problems....i really appreciate your will to help people like me. Cheers, Ana On Aug 22, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 22 aug 2007, at 13.24, jnd wrote: > >> Hi Per >> >> First of all thanks again for sharing your knowledge.... >> >> So i have got augustus and live running....augustus as sync master >> for live. And with this the problem of synchronization is solved. >> But the Augustus Freeze Loop button gets me nuts. Because I have >> to hit it at the exact point where the loop begins. Is there >> anyway around this? > > > I used to hit the Freeze Loop button after I had played something > into the loop but before I would play something that I did not want > to go into the loop. Using the Freeze Loop button works best with > loop input knob set to full input. > > Another approach is to target the input level. This gives: > Input Knob Level set to full = Overdub Mode > Input Knob Level set to zero = Playback Mode > > A third trick is the Puch In function (se my earlier post) > > >> As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out >> a way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent >> live tracks. Could you help me out on this one? > > Hm... Please forgive me if I'm mistaken (since I'm only looping in > Mobius at the moment) but I think you have two choices with > SooperLooper. > > 1) Run it as the standalone looper. This requires the Jack Utility > on Mac and Linux. You can open more loops and set them to sync to > the first loop. I'm not sure if each loop delivers a unique output > to Jack. You'd better check this with the sours (SL manual or SL > mailing list). > > 2) Open several instances of SooperLooper. Since you open these > parallel instances on exclusive Audio Tracks they already are on > separated outputs. Hence no need for an additional routing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:43:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E193BF36; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ygv4fkJMH0/TWh2lQB1xyYGW2GC871I5qXdJ68afbYVqFvnCBhbtfNFGrDFcYYnJMB01iGNVceS+2zJuR1KGpPDvfDn3F7rUgSXTxTCrV7JgkkGk+iXL+hWQI1uOC70fzIbjN6kFgVy8bdTlRYKNAg4HRTpaWwuU0ataXj+RQMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LTpxsBXn/T+HcBLKwU9iEiHmxmR6weC0pj55/aheuHb0L386r4JHx93r3kP80Hm9+S7knx7IUZm0co4F4d5X/F3GHABqNbPFGauSrCMmJTNqbHRqRziXxbMpYkCOEotdjjw3QFCBd5yaWo6bsg0mqeGToWidWxzEuGx0DbLRQrQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91A2098E-39E1-46EA-9065-6E54C2DF6DED@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:43:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC) > On 8/22/07, jnd wrote: > >> As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out a >> way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent live >> tracks. Could you help me out on this one? On 22 aug 2007, at 13.56, Jesse Chappell wrote: > In your additional tracks created for the outputs, choose their input > to be the sidechain outputs from the SL on the midi track, eg 3/4, > 5/6, or 7/8 for loops 1, 2, and 3 respectively. Any more than that > and you need to add a new instance of the SL plugin. I don't have the > sw in front of me, so this could be slightly inaccurate. > > jlc Thanks, Jesse. I'm happy to snag some good SL education here! ;-) I had actually forgot that SL AU supports multiple virtual outputs. Even though I used it last year. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 12:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2C303BF20; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Pz2HbZj2UBXksAKn8LEG2gbcU0kUZpk/gNcdJgvMqp+EP/B8SQnAIt1+JmWgEVtD6SVhVr7Cj9gkLs8028alyV6DaJlXDeAXN8pWTL+/+eZ1CXWezfukb7hy8IBhm3+4QEi1qV8aBr+CBHRbtNnuWMOE6dOzsfMRm0wNCHM5htc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c4qxVdy8V4VbrbviX7FHIGhRWSHZXzhgMRzvC++2Io19ZVrqst6+eJ4vLh9VQTEEhT0r5W8HSq0AYcfq3uPWWZwtBjuJRnqE/QJBG5cqczJV78JQB7Rh5GV2dp8e+tzKOFMShydLMJHh2DbwrJm+/bH6yjF/MsM/uX2RoUi3Gss= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <09A35C46-F8DF-4B49-A686-5E01572C6F7C@strombolic.net> References: <1C04353C-3840-44B5-BED4-B92A6F1E7EA9@strombolic.net> <421AB7B3-C2CC-4006-9441-3251B108F83B@gmail.com> <814DD7DA-E16A-4E3B-BBB4-306B357DADE4@strombolic.net> <0502ED15-F88B-4B86-9C69-406611667966@strombolic.net> <6D971E28-701B-47E8-BADF-3C127EA686F1@gmail.com> <09A35C46-F8DF-4B49-A686-5E01572C6F7C@strombolic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5828D1BB-280B-4424-853B-59659149364F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First Loop Sync Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:59:39 +0000 (UTC) On 22 aug 2007, at 13.45, jnd wrote: > Not sure I understand the Punch in / out advice you gave me. > Would you mind explaining it again? > Thanks Open the GUI window for the plug-in and look for the small boxes named "puch in" and "puch out". Click inside them to select them and make this function active. Then assign some MIDI event to the "Tap Record" button. Under the correct settings a Tap Record command will start a recording (for the length set by the combination of Beat Divisor and (number of) Beats. When the recording is reaching the end of the loop the Input Level will automatically return to zero, and your noisemaking will not be overdubbed into the loop - only heard on top of the loop. > Do you control Augustus with a midi remote controller? yes > Have you had any problems with that? No. > I am trying to control Augustus with a max-msp patch that sends > midi messages through controller 22 ( mapped on the augustus manual > as input level knob ) channel 1. > > - on max-msp midi setup i have "from max-msp 1" chosen has an > output device. > - on Live Midi Sync preferences i have the input: from MaxMpsp1 > Remote ON > - on Augustus I have selected midi in Channel 1&2. You need an additional setting i Live's MIDI preferences. You have to tell Live which MIDI input it shall listen to for Track Input! After setting that up you can use any MIDI Track in Live to direct any MIDI Input directly to the looper plug-in (here Augustus Looper). So, given you use Max as the MIDI controller (ie sending out the MIDI events for AL to react on) you hold down the mouse button over a MIDI Track's input field and choose the relevant Max MIDI output and then you hold down the mouse button over the same MIDI Track's output field and choose first the Audio Track hosting the AL plug-in and secondly the AL plug-in. ---> Next level info: With Augustus Loop under Live there are two ways of targeting looper parameters for MIDI control. One is to use Live's internal MIDI mapping. Doing this will overrun the plug-in's pre configured bindings of events to parameters. Another way is to read in the AL manual to find out exactly which MIDI events are pre configured to control certain parameters values. Then you send the relevant MIDI directly into the plug-in. My experience is that this works better although it's a little bit more tedious to set up (I just hate programming and setting stuff up). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:27:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94DBF3BF5B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SPiAnthrepffgUi+JCDz7zCFM+NQrMfApIRgYOl2gm2RX7fcuyD0shn/5LCzQnAUH39iOmxfETJ2m3N0KDY9IqNtMafYK5Y+AztMPJk2hSuUDBtoD/CvDKNKn8/APy9AJE3erO+4Q/CjEfT+mEkVd23BY8WxBvkz4vkZ54Gh5bM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ne/Hryy+qxOYHRKhHTQ9Rnl/xOIxImrbMovKV0LgIS7FesVKBK9eJRbnuCvuMMFKPUTHDAtSjsHXk16sjPEvp/Dc4gPd0YEQETC4SMyqwp6AcT/neXp4lE6WyHGmyTJZCxuOY/SS5TsUSjnzqXaAEE+7eea/R16jh6RzZuFUo1Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070822020019.00e45cc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <20070819190030.9C4E53BF59@arsenic.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070822020019.00e45cc8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <267FD2E5-B83A-4B34-90BD-65BA0ACCA90F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Interesting academic article on guitarist Eivind Aarset Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:27:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi list, I just read a highly interesting article on looping guitarist Eivind Aareset written in Norwegian by our own list member Rune Fagereng. As you might know Rune is Norwegian, like Eivind himself. As far as I understand Rune is studying Jazz Analyzes at the institution for Music Science at the university of Oslo. Thank you Rune. Very nice reading. Your article also reminded me of the name of this wonderful video series I once watched online after snagging a hint from this list: "On The Edge - Improvisation In Music". http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html (recommended) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1C273BF73; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:48:21 +0000 Message-Id: <082220071448.12201.46CC4CB50008DD0B00002FA92215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off looping. However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks. This I assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook 1.5 Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less frequently, but unnaceptable for live use. I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the background. Nothing I can do about this, right? Am I missing something? Any thoughts on smoothing things out? MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:55:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7AB23BF7B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=cHGMeHqAwO8qnQONCONJC1jqDPLmdQ2RgwzjweOEZLsmiGeZot3q1XqabKQvRK8ZcdOBsDm4XIwgRC++zki0Th6JZJR6Gd73fDBoTJ+XJepeBg/mkjuw3nw/j5Xq7NGDgXxxzY5c15/GVTdAHNAmPHD9Mz6PfpMD4b1qZm9i0lY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=GFI99VLv0P4x+T+vs55N7YPx4GE7Eg+Bdw6kYc4Ct2ykaJeomDjf9FIcw7pvxVxizrDAMTstv9yPdpfK2Yk61s/So3h8PGSwqfBMHP/BJW9DsBLGZUKqYZ3X/dcaJxEHPPuKYH+M0HmCarYbgmnuLRVHPQTWegivBRgqcezycoE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:55:23 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping In-Reply-To: <082220071448.12201.46CC4CB50008DD0B00002FA92215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082220071448.12201.46CC4CB50008DD0B00002FA92215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0596ce9053cea0a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) I'll need some more info from you about how many SL instances you have and the configuration of each instance (loop count, memory, channels). The fact that you see resource requirement spikes that correspond to the glitches leads me toward certain conclusions (that SL is one of the culprits). What are you doing loop-wise at the time... performing an operation, by chance? Also, what audio interface and what buffer size are you using? jlc On 8/22/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off looping. > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks. This I assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook 1.5 Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less frequently, but unnaceptable for live use. > I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the background. Nothing I can do about this, right? > Am I missing something? > Any thoughts on smoothing things out? > > MFC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 14:59:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF9A3BF81; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:59:03 EDT Subject: Re: Laptop Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1187794743" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1187794743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2007 10:48:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: Am I missing something? What kind of audio/midi interface are you using? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1187794743 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/22/2007 10:48:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Am I=20 missing something?
What kind of audio/midi interface are you using?


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-------------------------------1187794743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:05:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22603BF81; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:05:26 +0000 Message-Id: <082220071505.8275.46CC50B600048370000020532215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:05:28 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, I suspect that might be the issue. Im using a Firewire 410. Im at work at the moment so I cant check the buffer size on it. Thats probably it. I also have heard people hate that interface. It seems ok to me, but maybe I just ran into the problem with it. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com > > In a message dated 8/22/2007 10:48:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: > > Am I missing something? > > > What kind of audio/midi interface are you using? > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:45 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/22/2007 10:48:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Am I=20 missing something?
What kind of audio/midi interface are you using?


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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8275_1187795126_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9E03BF6E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <082220071448.12201.46CC4CB50008DD0B00002FA92215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082220071448.12201.46CC4CB50008DD0B00002FA92215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A52AABD-9E25-4755-A5A6-62D16C1E8221@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:29:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5XruND.A.DjF.JZFzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it fixed my problem. Matt --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:48 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer > apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with > total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I > understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off > looping. > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks. This I > assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook 1.5 > Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a > weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the > meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the > chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less > frequently, but unnaceptable for live use. > I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor > showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in > system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I > assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the > background. Nothing I can do about this, right? > Am I missing something? > Any thoughts on smoothing things out? > > MFC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 15:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285E23BF7B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:33:59 +0000 Message-Id: <082220071533.29906.46CC57670000D0F8000074D22215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29906_1187796839_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:34:01 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29906_1187796839_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in preferences? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a > similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it > fixed my problem. > > Matt > > --- > King Never > www.kingnever.com > > > > > On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:48 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer > > apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with > > total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I > > understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off > > looping. > > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks. This I > > assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook 1.5 > > Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a > > weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the > > meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the > > chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less > > frequently, but unnaceptable for live use. > > I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor > > showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in > > system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I > > assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the > > background. Nothing I can do about this, right? > > Am I missing something? > > Any thoughts on smoothing things out? > > > > MFC > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29906_1187796839_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in preferences?
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Matthew F. McCabe" <mmccabe@finleysound.com>

> Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a
> similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it
> fixed my problem.
>
> Matt
>
> ---
> King Never
> www.kingnever.com
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:48 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer
> > apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with
> > total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I
> > understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off
> > looping.
> > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks . This I
> > assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook 1.5
> > Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a
> > weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the
> > meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the
> > chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less
> > frequently, but unnaceptable for live use.
> > I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor
> > showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in
> > system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I
> > assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the
> > background. Nothing I can do about this, right?
> > Am I missing something?
> > Any thoughts on smoothing things out?
> >
> > MFC
> >
> >
& gt;
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29906_1187796839_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:28:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D4D3BF8C; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:21 EDT Subject: o.t. READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d5a.10db0b8a.33fdbe25_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d5a.10db0b8a.33fdbe25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_d5a.10db0b8a.33fdbe25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what has everyone been reading of late?= a wonderful book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  david mi= tchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).= ....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian d= etective in bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the= fifth book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort= of an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books= .....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight....= .nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equ= ipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin aft= er killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and th= e news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i= always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks in ad= vance.....michael



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I assume this is just > normal processes that happen normally in the background. Nothing I > can do about this, right? This is not normal and should not be accepted. You have to research these possible error sources: 1. Bad plug-ins. (AU's should pass Apple Plug-in Enabler test. VST's do not have a norm, so you need to test by yourself or ask others if they are known to be badly coded). 2. CPU load (obviously not the case here). 3. Bad audio interface (especially USB 1 based hardware are afflicted with these problems). 4. Bad audio interface drivers (get the latest from the manufacturer) Simply go through it all systematically. Eliminate one factor at a time to see what happens. > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > > Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a > > similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it > > fixed my problem. > > > > Matt On 22 aug 2007, at 17.33, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in > preferences? In Bidule you go: "Plogue Bidule / Preferences / DSP". I have been using the setting "Buffer size = 256" for years with no problems. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99AD3BF57; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:37:58 +0000 Message-Id: <082220071637.11370.46CC6665000D932B00002C6A2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11370_1187800678_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:37:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11370_1187800678_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Per, I will check this out. Once again, I appreciate it very much. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 22 aug 2007, at 16.48, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I assume this is just > > normal processes that happen normally in the background. Nothing I > > can do about this, right? > > This is not normal and should not be accepted. You have to research > these possible error sources: > > 1. Bad plug-ins. (AU's should pass Apple Plug-in Enabler test. VST's > do not have a norm, so you need to test by yourself or ask others if > they are known to be badly coded). > 2. CPU load (obviously not the case here). > 3. Bad audio interface (especially USB 1 based hardware are afflicted > with these problems). > 4. Bad audio interface drivers (get the latest from the manufacturer) > > Simply go through it all systematically. Eliminate one factor at a > time to see what happens. > > > > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > > > Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a > > > similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it > > > fixed my problem. > > > > > > Matt > > On 22 aug 2007, at 17.33, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in > > preferences? > > In Bidule you go: "Plogue Bidule / Preferences / DSP". I have been > using the setting "Buffer size = 256" for years with no problems. > > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11370_1187800678_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Per,
I will check this out. Once again, I appreciate it very much.
 
MFC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 22 aug 2007, at 16.48, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> > This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I assume this is just
> > normal processes that happen normally in the background. Nothing I
> > can do about this, right?
>
> This is not normal and should not be accepted. You have to research
> these possible error sources:
>
> 1. Bad plug-ins. (AU's should pass Apple Plug-in Enabler test. VST's
> do not have a norm, so you need to test by yourself or ask others if
> they are known to be badly coded).
> 2. CPU load (obviously not the case here).
> 3. Bad audio interface (especially USB 1 based hardware are afflicted
> with these problems).
> 4. Bad audio interface drivers (get the latest from the manufacturer)
>
> Simply go through it all systematically. Eliminate one factor at a
> time to see what happens.
>
>
> > From: "Matthew F. McCabe"
> > > Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a
> > > similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it
> > > fixed my problem.
> > >
> > > Matt
>
> On 22 aug 2007, at 17.33, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> > looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in
> > preferences?
>
> In Bidule you go: "Plogue Bidule / Preferences / DSP". I have been
> using the setting "Buffer size = 256" for years with no problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11370_1187800678_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:46:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BFA13BF83; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:46:31 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stretching words References: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:46:38 +0000 (UTC) thanks Cara, great track! Around four minutes in, the layers of guitars really start to resemble some other instrument, like a chorus of violins using bows made of glass. The stretching effect at the end is very cool too, pretty harsh but I love the crazy buzz of it. Rainer and Per, thanks for the plug-in/VST recommendations. I don't actually use any music software (other than Cool Edit for editing two-track masters) but I'll look for examples of these in use. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > listen to the end of Naked Blues on my website. I do this live with > the EDP with a guitar loop... > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 16:54:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CA1D3BF83; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <082220071533.29906.46CC57670000D0F8000074D22215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082220071533.29906.46CC57670000D0F8000074D22215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-96--958906697 Message-Id: From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:54:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:54:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-96--958906697 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yes, it's under Preferences and then click the DSP tab (at least on the Mac version). --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:33 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find it. Is it in > preferences? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > > > Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. I had a > > similar problem, albeit with a different audio interface, but it > > fixed my problem. > > > > Matt > > > > --- > > King Never > > www.kingnever.com > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:48 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > So I've been getting to know Bidule and Sooperlooper. Both killer > > > apps. The idea of having many chains of beautiful effects with > > > total control of loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I > > > understand fully the devotion many of you have towards this way > off > > > looping. > > > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and clicks . This I > > > assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I am using a Powerbook > 1.5 > > > Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I know this is by todays standards a > > > weaker machine. But it should be more then enough to handle the > > > meager requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the > > > chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less > > > frequently, but unnaceptable for live use. > > > I put on the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The > monitor > > > showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in > > > system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or stutters. I > > > assume this is just normal processes that happen normally in the > > > background. Nothing I can do about this, right? > > > Am I missing something? > > > Any thoughts on smoothing things out? > > > > > > MFC > > > > > > > & gt; --Apple-Mail-96--958906697 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Yes, it's under Preferences = and then click the DSP tab (at least on the Mac version).

=
---
King = Never


I looked for that option in Bidule. I couldn't find = it. Is it in preferences?
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From: "Matthew = F. McCabe" <mmccabe@finleysound.com> =

> Sounds like you need to increase the buffer size in Bidule. = I had a
> similar problem, albeit with a different audio = interface, but it
> fixed my problem.
>
> Matt =
>
> ---
> King Never
> www.kingnever.com
> =
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:48 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:
>
> > So I've been getting to know Bidule = and Sooperlooper. Both killer
> > apps. The idea of having = many chains of beautiful effects with
> > total control of = loops and sounds is certianly seductive. I
> > understand = fully the devotion many of you have towards this way off
> > = looping.
> > However, I'm still getting stutters, dropouts and = clicks . This I
> > assume is because the cpu is maxing out. I = am using a Powerbook 1.5
> > Mhz with 1 Gig of Ram. Now, I = know this is by todays standards a
> > weaker machine. But it = should be more then enough to handle the
> > meager = requirements of my software. Even with no effects in the
> > = chain (or even on the patchbay), the problems still occur, less
> = > frequently, but unnaceptable for live use.
> > I put on = the mac activity viewer and monitored the cpu. The monitor
> > = showed moderate memory use as I play, with an occaisonal spike in =
> > system requirements. This is when I hear clicks or = stutters. I
> > assume this is just normal processes that = happen normally in the
> > background. Nothing I can do about = this, right?
> > Am I missing something?
> > Any = thoughts on smoothing things out?
> >
> > MFC =
> >
> >
& gt; =

= --Apple-Mail-96--958906697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DED43BF87; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 616012647-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.250.166 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoXAOcIzEZPQvqm/2dsb2JhbACCHwSlEQ Message-ID: <46CC6BC9.9010600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:00:57 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping References: <082220071533.29906.46CC57670000D0F8000074D22215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <50C69E36-656A-4459-9E64-B89D4398A0F5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50C69E36-656A-4459-9E64-B89D4398A0F5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:00:40 +0000 (UTC) > In Bidule you go: "Plogue Bidule / Preferences / DSP". I have been using > the setting "Buffer size = 256" for years with no problems. > >From the Bidule Help:- Buffer Size This is the size of the buffer used internally in Bidule, not the one for your audio driver. The lower this quantity the lesser the latency but the higher the CPU requirements. from andy:- so if your audio driver buffer isn't set right this won't help much From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:06:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76DB43BF7C; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Reading the entrails of Mobius Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:06:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2FB3@keel.sailpoint.com> Thread-Topic: Reading the entrails of Mobius Thread-Index: Acfk3s+zh+WQ/dhBSrm4YAcVYC8lJg== From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <4rtPlD.A.xyD.d0GzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids! Put on your tinfoil helmets and gather up your D&D figurines, it's time to enter The Geek Zone! We had a riveting conversation the other day about how much code is required to build a software looper and a few of you asked for some cold, hard, statistics. I did a quick analysis of the Mobius source code and here are the results. Please try to contain your enthusiasm. As software developers know, there's a difference between "line count" and "statement count". A typical file of code is filled with comments that help the programmer remember what the heck they were trying to do, and blank lines to improve readability. I happen to think comments are essential and worth including at least a percentage of them as "code" but I'll follow the usual method and leave them out. Here is a breakdown of the primary subsystems and their sizes: PortAudio: 10955 lines, 3971 comments, 1622 empty, 5362 statements This is the 3rd party library that I use to interface with audio=20 devices. If you were writing for an embedded system you would not need something this general so I won't include it in the totals. SoundTouch: 6391 lines, 2208 comments, 1203 empty, 2980 statements This is the 3rd party library I use for pitch shifting. I have made a number of modifications so it's about 25% "mine" at this point. VST SDK: 16908 lines, 1626 comments, 2494 empty, 12788 statements This is Steinberg's code that you have to link with in order to make a VST plugin. I won't include this in the totals but some of you might be interested. Utilities: 12979 lines, 4017 comments, 2126 empty, 6836 statements This includes general purpose utilities for file handling, threads, XML parsing, WAV file generation, and a few other things. MIDI: 21982 lines, 7696 comments, 3698 empty, 10588 statements This is a MIDI and timer interface library. There are things in here that Mobius doesn't actually use (yet) like a multi-track MIDI sequencer. This is also where the millisecond timer lives and the events that are at the heart of synchronization. UI Toolkit: 22740 lines, 4594 comments, 4041 empty, 14105 statements This is a general purpose user interface toolkit that the Mobius UI is built upon. It is essentially an implementation of Java Swing in C++. Mobius: 110089 lines, 27922 comments, 16694 empty, 64734 statements This is the core Mobius code. About 6899 of these statements are related to the UI leaving 57835 statements at the core. Test scripts: around 7000 lines I'm not going to include these in the totals, but I do believe these are essential for any large project. If you don't have a thorough set of unit tests you're never going to be able to keep developing it reliably. In some cases development of the automated tests took longer than the development of the functions being tested. And now the moment you have been waiting for... In these totals I'm going to include SoundTouch because if you want pitch shifting at all you're going to need something=20 on this scale. I won't include the VST SDK or PortAudio. Core Mobius + MIDI + Utilities + SoundTouch: 78239 statements Mobius UI + UI Toolkit: 21004 statements Core Mobius with UI: 99243 statements Damn! Just under 100,000. I guess I have a goal for this weekend. Thank you for your rapt attention. I'm sure the 3 of you=20 (or was it 4?) will sleep much easier tonight :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:12:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC5B3BF8E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VGeS1eAuLGa9wqp1inoHtCUOBmGrygpMB+C9ID6Kx7mTlRT4yS2MRkSstOHiHIhCzjzkGZMx3POat646TfC5T8EK+TLJGFZW8NLc0QqD3Mr4ry1pPs5VugtGo5hCyNkVBKuph81XF7zOgNojb5En9OWqtukSoD+XCnJ/vGS/CWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XP1KvKQe0wxgbuX7xEMK8HjvBquDLojkmVv8ASUBDfoDMJftKA+9CSQlUG3K2m8ZCUgJL2MPB2UXId41tC4hebUWXvF2L9kb9woyfQTxEK9w2MaUo4Zr0tTAYtfslcBi/MGI4SR2SkpUXrofyKrqoKu/Cg0xmBQra0c+y4CSx5M= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:12:03 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: virtual repeater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56916_11930538.1187802723390" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:12:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_56916_11930538.1187802723390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.kvraudio.com/news/7667.html -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_56916_11930538.1187802723390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.kvraudio.com/news/7667.html

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_56916_11930538.1187802723390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:15:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962083BF8B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070822121526.qknly9260wsg4w40@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:15:26 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reading the entrails of Mobius References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2FB3@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2FB3@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Jeff Larson : > > VST SDK: 16908 lines, 1626 comments, 2494 empty, 12788 statements > > This is Steinberg's code that you have to link with in order > to make a VST plugin. I won't include this in the totals but > some of you might be interested. > Jeff, Fascinating stats on Mobius. I have always presumed that to write a =20 real-time audio application, such as a looper, would NOT be a task for =20 the timid! I have a question for you... When running Mobius as a VST plugin with Cubase SX3, Cubase only "saw" =20 two pins from Mobius. That is, when running as an insert effect, I =20 could assign the two visible pins from Cubase to any two of the six =20 pins from Cubase (this on a 5.1 surround channel). Is there anything I need to do so that I can assign input/output ports =20 from Mobius to the various pins on Cubase? I asked Cubase support about this and they didn't have an answer for me. Thanks for your help and for creating such great software. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:28:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB883BF89; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:52 +0200 Message-ID: <009301c7e4e1$ca150c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acfk3blKst/s8nFhTcWcw4oySib6BgAAMYrw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:28:09 +0000 (UTC) > a wonderful book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this) think so? ok, I've ordered it :-) thanks for the recommendation Mr. Nemoguitt ... books I've read recently: Jed McKenna, Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment (very interesting, although I'm not quite sure yet what to think of it) Michael Swanwick, Vacuum Flowers (wonderful space-cyberpunk stuff somewhat similar to Schismatrix) Michael Swanwick, Stations of the Tide (incredible stuff, mindblowingly creative SF) The Kitchen Chronicles: Lunches with J. Krishnamurti (fun to read if you like Krishnamurti) Joan Tollifson: Awake in the Heartland (another spirituality book and one that really does it for me) Graham Bennett: Soft Machine - Out-Bloody-Rageous (the Soft Machine biography) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:28:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010323BF90; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KI8xFMQpJ9OXCD3zBFW+ckhjG4uSHfw2z50oZBr8RU5EVdIr1pmxNvM1hu3roeP/ku7oT3YkZWwHKFnj5meaV390rmk6ji6Xoksr1DgDuo9N3GBAFaPY5RABi648ZuBzA6kiG/b4khVH68KIfWtRpN54gc1fCLChshyTATJC788= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AZNdcYRDy5Yf5DG5kuEx6ozQ8VbnMV6rztvJag1N4RhdmLj2hhFNq/ETdA5B9+14iPgYVT6QO1s2Uhwy+4ILjbxIJdigfglRkqS2WTAc5qA4R8bdI8ODLx2tfVsZVxDxIEWr06ct/JzkZszauic78BuQxelYvYwR//nH4ZFnxao= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:34 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68161_5279538.1187803714192" References: Resent-Message-ID: <9XTgj.A.wOF.DJHzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68161_5279538.1187803714192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of my recent reading comes from three authors: Kurt Vonnegut, Orson Scott Card, and Neil Gaiman. In chronological order of my reading them: KV, _Hocus Pocus_ (not his best, but still interesting, funny, and bizarre) NG, _Fragile Things_ (collection of short stories and poems by one of my favorite contemporary authors) KV, _Slaughterhouse Five_ (a classic I'd never read and felt was time to visit...wonderful! what was I thinking all those years?!) NG, _Stardust_ (reread this light novelette in anticipation of the theatrical release...still haven't seen the movie) OSC, _Ender's Game_ (reread this because I jikust needed to read it again...incredibly compelling, creative, and original) NG, _American Gods_ (currently re-reading this...great concept, and wonderful execution...answers the question: what happens to the old-world gods when their people cross the ocean and eventually stop believing in them?) Oh, I almost forgot, I just got three books from Mick Goodrich (aka Mr Goodchord): Vols 1 and 2 of his Almanac of Guitar Voice-Leading and his Factorial Rhythms. The title of the Almanac is misleading--it really is a much more general collection of voice-leading information that would interesting to anyone working with diatonic materials, not just guitarists. In fact, there isn't a single chord grid or fingering indication in the entire book. There's a lot that is fairly obvious if you've worked long enough with tonal materials, but it's one helluva resource tome, and there are certainly some fresh things to learn from it. _Factorial Rhythms_ actually reminds me a lot of a message on rhythm that Rick Walker sent a year or two ago. A very interesting collection of rhythmic resources. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 8/22/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i finished a > bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i > think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by > vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in bombay, great insite into > indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth book by george r.r. martin in > his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an adult sword and sorcery story, > some neat ideas in this group of books.....i can not remember who wrote it > but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing heavy but all fun > stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone > wrote last week that true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., > i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is > overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great > reading list when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------=_Part_68161_5279538.1187803714192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of my recent reading comes from three authors: Kurt Vonnegut, Orson Scott Card, and Neil Gaiman.

In chronological order of my reading them:
KV, _Hocus Pocus_ (not his best, but still interesting, funny, and bizarre)
NG, _Fragile Things_ (collection of short stories and poems by one of my favorite contemporary authors)
KV, _Slaughterhouse Five_ (a classic I'd never read and felt was time to visit...wonderful! what was I thinking all those years?!)
NG, _Stardust_ (reread this light novelette in anticipation of the theatrical release...still haven't seen the movie)
OSC, _Ender's Game_ (reread this because I jikust needed to read it again...incredibly compelling, creative, and original)
NG, _American Gods_ (currently re-reading this...great concept, and wonderful execution...answers the question: what happens to the old-world gods when their people cross the ocean and eventually stop believing in them?)

Oh, I almost forgot, I just got three books from Mick Goodrich (aka Mr Goodchord): Vols 1 and 2 of his Almanac of Guitar Voice-Leading and his Factorial Rhythms. The title of the Almanac is misleading--it really is a much more general collection of voice-leading information that would interesting to anyone working with diatonic materials, not just guitarists. In fact, there isn't a single chord grid or fingering indication in the entire book. There's a lot that is fairly obvious if you've worked long enough with tonal materials, but it's one helluva resource tome, and there are certainly some fresh things to learn from it. _Factorial Rhythms_ actually reminds me a lot of a message on rhythm that Rick Walker sent a year or two ago. A very interesting collection of rhythmic resources.

Cheers,
Jon Southwood


On 8/22/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com > wrote:
what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  david mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael



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------=_Part_68161_5279538.1187803714192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 348333BF89; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QuY+bBWWWBoRgRwTeQ+vRmxlL1a/nVUcE91YQ0/LnuoDznLdYgywfDSFrOhzr1J/jsdctINgOCU0Z5f4f9ElWeoKdoH5D14r9qDhhuKcg7ngxPkvFzSy2Vp4OIge8FHu2KYUn4ThzibwmDu79KCTayxYDhezNkPWC2OvYHZZjCA=; X-YMail-OSG: k.HENqkVM1nYPUWhRReHaKvR0_B7Q3ZM6IIUULH3IsEwMEvvuzFM2alXTH0jYlyIHWydhzrha.ZUCok_7iqnTtM3DGfYPCuPKpV8Okpj32O5Ac8w84OpwkKBkw3c7Q-- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: o.t. READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-876232085-1187804196=:30402" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <937011.30402.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-876232085-1187804196=:30402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try some Jack Vance. He is inimitable. Very easy to read and very easy to get into from the get-go. Also, great subtle humor. The Eyes of the Overworld. Tales of the Dying Earth (a compilation of four books inluding the aforementioned). The Demon Princes (Four separate books that can be found in collections of them all) Planet of Adventure Lurulu I sometimes think he is actually an alien as his worlds/destinations/etc. are so lucid as its hard to believe he's never been to these places. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-876232085-1187804196=:30402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Try some Jack Vance. He is inimitable. Very easy to read and very easy to get into from the get-go. Also, great subtle humor.
 
The Eyes of the Overworld.
Tales of the Dying Earth (a compilation of four books inluding the aforementioned).
The Demon Princes (Four separate books that can be found in collections of them all)
Planet of Adventure
Lurulu
 
I sometimes think he is actually an alien as his worlds/destinations/etc. are so lucid as its hard to believe he's never been to these places.
 
Regards, Paul

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-876232085-1187804196=:30402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 17:44:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265FF3BF82; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <34474.209.198.115.185.1187804632.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: o.t. READING From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:44:03 +0000 (UTC) I just finished a P.G. Wodehouse, and now i'm reading (again!) Iris Murdoch's The Black Prince. Can anyone tell i'm on holiday? Next: Tom Schreck's debut novel On The Ropes. Tom's a great guy--a studio client of mine, as he turns to me to produce the recording of his audio books. Check out his new book if you get a chance. Social work sleuth with beloved bassett hound sidekick, also featuring a heavy dose of humor. Best, Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY U.S.A. AVAILAIBLE NOW: Pseudophone's "Reach" A free EP from Negative Sound Institute http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/ http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:03:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 846493BF87; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070822140343.C9T47.99267.root@fepweb15> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:03:43 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING Cc: Nemoguitt@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Michael, Yes "Cloud Atlas" by David Mitchel is an amazing, terrific, memorable book.= =20 He's a masterful and cameleon-like writer. Ant the multiple story-line palendrome structure of the book is rather uniq= ue too. That was part of my summer reading last summer. This summer I am reading the new translation of Don Quixote. I think the othe rbook you mentioned is actually callled "Life of Pi" by Ya= nn Martel. It is another excellent (and unique) read. Ain't literacy wunnerful? tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:=20 > what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i finished = a=20 > bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters,= i=20 > think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by = vikram=20 > chandra, a story of an indian detective in bombay, great insite into indi= an=20 > culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth book by george r.r. martin in his A= SONG OF=20 > ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat = ideas=20 > in this group of books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY= OF=20 > PI" was a delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a= =20 > re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that t= rue=20 > happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called=20 > entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly depressi= ng (wtf is going=20 > on?????).....i always get a great reading list when this question is aske= d so=20 > thnaks in advance.....michael >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at=20 > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:10:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 902093BF8E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46CC6BC9.9010600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <082220071533.29906.46CC57670000D0F8000074D22215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <50C69E36-656A-4459-9E64-B89D4398A0F5@gmail.com> <46CC6BC9.9010600@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:10:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Hmm. On my system, if I set the buffer too low I get all kinds of weird digital hash, clicks and dropouts. --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:00 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> In Bidule you go: "Plogue Bidule / Preferences / DSP". I have been >> using the setting "Buffer size = 256" for years with no problems. > > From the Bidule Help:- > > Buffer Size > This is the size of the buffer used internally in Bidule, not the > one for your audio driver. The lower this quantity the lesser the > latency but the higher the CPU requirements. > from andy:- > so if your audio driver buffer isn't set right this won't help much > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:26:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D44DB3BF82; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--953389571 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: o.t. READING / TV Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:26:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--953389571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin after killing > one's t.v., Lifestyle Choices Dept.- I have personally been Tee Vee free for over 20 years now and do not feel like I have been "missing" a damn thing, and am happy and still sane. (well, some people may want to debate that last part. :-)) Why waste any of one's precious limited moments in Life with something as mostly worthless as Tee Vee (sorry any Simpson's fans out there :-) ) when there are far more satisfying and intellectually nourishing, etc, things available such as reading, being outside as much as possible and soaking up all of the Life that is out there (and sometimes inside too), along with countless other satisfying activities. (Also,going to see good films at the cinema can often be a good experience, unless the film sucks, that is. I try to avoid bad films, if I know enough in advance to do so.) And of course, there is always......MUSIC! (especially of the loop- ish kind) Besides the familiar "Kill Your TV" bumper sticker that likely most of us have seen, I saw another good one recently that said: "TV sucks. Read a book" and that was on the back of a truck which was owned by a musician here in Portland, OR. Nice connection there. I DO still have a television set, but it only functions as a "monitor" for wonderful films (and even some "bad" ones too) and informational videos and DVDs. Not the same as watching Tee Vee a la the airwaves. Having to choose from the "available material" on the air waves (or cable) is not an "option" I want to take, and using a TV set as a "monitor" is not really any different than watching my LCD screen on my Mac. Watching the air waves (or cable) or a "monitor". BIG difference. Throughout the years, when I have told people that I refuse to waste time and NRG watching Tee Vee, one of the responses I have often received has been one that appears to be of complete SHOCK. And, an even more sad and disturbing one has been when someone has responded with: "Well, how do you stay INFORMED?" Oh dear. Cheers, -Rev. Fever --Apple-Mail-1--953389571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Aug 22, 2007, at = 9:28 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com = wrote:
someone= wrote last week that true happiness can begin after killing one's = t.v.,=A0

Lifestyle Choices = Dept.-

I have = personally been Tee Vee free for over 20 years now and do not feel like = I have been "missing" a damn thing,
and am happy and still = sane. (well, some people may want to debate that last part. = :-))

Why = waste any of one's precious limited moments in Life with something as = mostly worthless as Tee Vee=A0(sorry any Simpson's fans out there :-) = )
when there are far more satisfying and intellectually = nourishing, etc, things available such as reading, being outside as much = as possible=A0
and soaking up all of the Life that is out = there (and sometimes inside too), along with countless other satisfying = activities.=A0

(Also,going to see good = films at the cinema can often be a good experience, unless the film = sucks, that is.=A0
I try to avoid bad films, if I know enough = in advance to do so.)

And of course, there is = always......MUSIC! (especially of the loop-ish kind)

Besides the familiar "Kill = Your TV" bumper sticker that likely most of us have seen, I saw another = good one recently that said: "TV sucks. Read a book"
and that = was on the back of a truck which was owned by a musician here in = Portland, OR.=A0 =A0Nice connection there.

I DO still have a = television set, but it only functions as a "monitor" for wonderful films = (and even some "bad" ones too) and informational videos and = DVDs.
Not the same as watching Tee Vee a la the airwaves. = Having to choose from the "available material" on the air waves (or = cable)=A0
is not an "option" I want to take,=A0and using a TV = set as a "monitor" is not really any different than watching my LCD = screen on my Mac.=A0

Watching the air waves (or = cable) or a "monitor".=A0 BIG difference.

Throughout the years, when = I have told people that I refuse to waste time and NRG watching Tee Vee, = one of the responses I have often received=A0
has been one = that appears to be of complete SHOCK.

=A0And, an even more sad = and disturbing one has been when someone has responded with:=A0=A0"Well, = how do you stay INFORMED?"=A0 =A0 =A0Oh dear.

Cheers,
-Rev. = Fever

= --Apple-Mail-1--953389571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:27:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EBA3BF90; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CC8001.50409@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:27:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review of Krispen Hartung's "Mandolin from Mars" References: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2qI1TD.A.nKB.IAIzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Several months after hearing it for the first time (and long after I'd hoped to have reviewed it), I've written a reaction to Krispen's "Mandolin From Mars". http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Krispen_Hartung.htm Next up, hopefully this year: Nick Robinson's "Paper Music" project. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 18:27:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D614B3BF8B; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oGt63JYh8AocfxbHZfdLaStbBc4l8io51tAO4vLVEdfojWebmcxctbritnMv73FIv2dhtaSavV01uz0D5r93WnKui8sUFVbwLIpoeMucsgrsaJb/EVA5vr50YBiGl1BrUpa0pJXQQYW7i83LAqLC72sae3Ac8blHS1KdfJzKVAI=; X-YMail-OSG: MRGuk3kVM1mjW66O7x1Le8DTJC2S7uHDqF0N3YwSRrnz3z57eMFKUN.7M.1N3WBT_1UN6STtwUE_1fkmgjsRZM6xXIENV631QmxQbBvSJAJDioKFCJcqlecVYWYW9Jk- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: o.t. READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <994548.53553.qm@web60325.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Dostoevsky, Crime & Punishment (3rd or 4th reread) Boethius, Consolations of Philosophy Freddy Silva, Secrets in the Fields John De Vito, The Devil's Apocrypha Thomas McEvilley, The Shape of Ancient Thought Plato, Ion (in greek class, very slowly) All these except the last are piled next to my bed, and I switch between them at whim. -rabbi (not a real rabbi) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:28:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35ABF3BF84; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <994548.53553.qm@web60325.mail.yahoo.com> References: <994548.53553.qm@web60325.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:28:23 +0000 (UTC) My current, rotating bed pile that I also switch between from at whim, as well: Jamie James- The Music of the Spheres Stephen Buhner- Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers Sandor Ellix katz- Wild Fermentation (learn to make yer own sauerkraut and kimchi,and MORE!) (edited by Sam Steiner)- Spirit Woman, The Diaries and Paintings of Bonita Wa Wa Calachaw Nunez Chris Hedges- American Fascists, The Christian Right and the War On America Vera Stravinsky & Robert Craft- Stravinsky,In Pictures and Documents Amadea Morningstar, with Urmila Desai-The Ayurvedic Cookbook Brooke Allen- Moral Minority, Our Skeptical Founding Fathers Nancy Wilson Ross- The World of Zen Marc Almond (ex-Soft Cell)- In Search of the Pleasure Palace Pat Hackett- The Andy Warhol Diaries ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------- Some fantastic biographies / autobiographies I have previously read, include: Rasputin,The Holy Devil (1928, Rene Fulop-Miller) Orson Wells (Barbara Leaming) Anais Nin (Dierdre Bair) Wm. Burroughs, Literary Outlaw (Ted Morgan) Ken Russell-A British Picture Rimbaud- (PIerre Petitfils) The Guilded Gutter Life of Francis Bacon (Daniel Farson) Wizard. The Life and Times of Nikolas Tesla. Biography of a Genius (Marc J. Seiffer) Pasolini, A Biography (Enzo Sicilano) Miles, The Autobiography (Miles Davis with Quincey Troupe) Love Is Colder Than Death. (biography of Rainer Werner Fassbinder, by Robert Katz) Genet (Edmund White) This is only a partial list, of course. The full list is LONG.... -Rev. Fever On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:27 AM, rabbirabbifive wrote: > > > Dostoevsky, Crime & Punishment (3rd or 4th reread) > > Boethius, Consolations of Philosophy > > Freddy Silva, Secrets in the Fields > > John De Vito, The Devil's Apocrypha > > Thomas McEvilley, The Shape of Ancient Thought > > Plato, Ion (in greek class, very slowly) > > All these except the last are piled next to my bed, and > I switch between them at whim. > > -rabbi (not a real rabbi) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F0CE3BF89; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032501c7e4f3$1790a610$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46CC8001.50409@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Review of Krispen Hartung's "Mandolin from Mars" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:31:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I am speechless. Daryl, this is by far the best review I have ever received. Thank you, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. You described the imagery of some of my work better than I could. Amazing. I owe you one? A drink or lunch at Y2K7 perhaps? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Several months after hearing it for the first time (and long after I'd > hoped to have reviewed it), I've written a reaction to Krispen's "Mandolin > From Mars". > > http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Krispen_Hartung.htm > > Next up, hopefully this year: Nick Robinson's "Paper Music" project. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 19:32:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A213BF92; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070822122403.00e0bff0@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:34:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: stretching words In-Reply-To: <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> References: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68EE78AD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, thankie for your feedback! Glad ya liked it! Yes, the stretching was pretty crazy in that one, but I can certainly do it more evenly / tonally too... That was just a straight up live improv; even the vocals weren't planned. lol! Jimmy George just hopped up on stage at that point, and dropped into the groove and started singin'! lol! -Really took the piece to a new and cool place! Was very fun!... As you can probably tell, the main part of the loop was created granularly. (is that a word? lol!) and the part you mention that sounds like bowing, is simply a volume pedal. The turntable effect toward the beginning is the lil Space Station and I think that's about it! :) It's all just one loop with the EDP and I did the time stretching thing by switching to stutter mode and using sus insert, unquantized I believe... I'll have to brush up on my settings! :) Anyway, thanks again and have a wonderful day!... Smiles, Cara :) At 11:46 AM 8/22/2007 -0500, you wrote: >thanks Cara, great track! Around four minutes in, the layers of guitars >really start to resemble some other instrument, like a chorus of violins >using bows made of glass. The stretching effect at the end is very cool >too, pretty harsh but I love the crazy buzz of it. > >Rainer and Per, thanks for the plug-in/VST recommendations. I don't >actually use any music software (other than Cool Edit for editing >two-track masters) but I'll look for examples of these in use. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> >> listen to the end of Naked Blues on my website. I do this live with >> the EDP with a guitar loop... >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 20:35:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396653BF80; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K568voA51mOfq5q+JTWjNyWRhHf3pv04XjIb09ba6lb8MCr2SQhE71ou3I4us76j7+PDaD8SKmgAryULMLWxboOGASNKCkVZo0wbYHDyCjOkdZBj1ieGiVTjnfS7moStuuY95jL33PQj9BDSUKfNLTEehqjS9Zdd6vfNbztFOsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JoQk5rG778086bNTHj+ip3u7bjIajQZXcDtyJYwtPZx7GP5h0Hxg9UbyGp7gtgcfzuKs3QulTUDKAZn9uBsk7YJZVCrVVRwOE8b/Tn/YnO8Nx7lNgHt5oPmrEet+d3hSFX26+Bz8f9ThvBUAO9d8Mee4S4ejGcUl+M4RwIEwgh0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:35:33 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hassell In-Reply-To: <012e01c7e459$c18d8c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_142054_21189301.1187814933064" References: <012e01c7e459$c18d8c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:35:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_142054_21189301.1187814933064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And what about Richard Landry? On 8/21/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Matt Davignon wrote: > > Polly Moller is a bass flautist who does some of the multiphonic stuff. > > > Polly is a wonderful musician and a dear friend of mine. > > She was a student of Robert Dick's and introduced the two > of us which eventually led to me doing a short tour in Northern California > with him. > > I owe this talented musician a lot. We first met when she had my wife's > group > Lackadaisy perform on her woman's music television program when I was > playing bass for my wife. > > I introduced her to one of my very best friends, Jeff Davis, who has a > wonderful > studio (and is a great producer) in Eugene, Oregon and she has ended up > doing all of her recordings there. > > Polly Moller rocks!!!!! I just wanted to chip in and say that in > public. > She just did a performance with her new band (with Amar Chaudry , an > electronic > musician/live looper who has performed at our looping festivals in years' > past). > > I got the directions wrong and ended up walking in as they were recieving > their applause > for the last encore..................didn't hear a damn note. I was > bummed. > I really wanted > to hear what Amar would do with Polly's music which has Celtic and Ambient > elements in > a vocal/flute presentation. > > rick walker > > ------=_Part_142054_21189301.1187814933064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And what about Richard Landry?

On 8/21/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Matt Davignon wrote:

Polly Moller is a bass flautist who does some of the multiphonic stuff.


Polly is a wonderful musician and a dear friend of mine.

She was a student of Robert Dick's and introduced the two
of us which eventually led to me doing a short tour in Northern California
with him.

I owe this talented musician a lot.    We first met when she had my wife's
group
Lackadaisy perform on her woman's music television program when I was
playing bass for my wife.

I introduced her to one of my very best friends,  Jeff Davis,  who has a
wonderful
studio (and is a great producer) in Eugene, Oregon and she has ended up
doing all of her recordings there.

Polly Moller rocks!!!!!     I just wanted to chip in and say that in public.
She just did a performance with her new band (with Amar Chaudry ,  an
electronic
musician/live looper who has performed at our looping festivals in years'
past).

I got the directions wrong and ended up walking in as they were recieving
their applause
for the last encore..................didn't hear a damn note.  I was bummed.
I really wanted
to hear what Amar would do with Polly's music which has Celtic and Ambient
elements in
a vocal/flute presentation.

rick walker


------=_Part_142054_21189301.1187814933064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 21:30:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAFD73BF87; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c7e503$bb1de670$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:30:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C7E514.7D8FC830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/12N7WO+NR4LGrY/1H2wTo6ybrig03HqxucPQ inKtq33WTMgjyKpksnWsDl5VuwC0EpC+tvIzNEO1Yubylow3mz goL8kZPqOEoddinonpngznqT5B9HF3v Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:30:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C7E514.7D8FC830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i just started neil stephenson's "diamond age", reading and enjoying it = for the second time. this is the jules verne of our times. the best science fiction i ever = read. tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: o.t. READING what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i = finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, = (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now = "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in = bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of = an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of = books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a = delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a = re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that = true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so = called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly = depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list = when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C7E514.7D8FC830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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this is the jules verne of our times. = the best=20 science fiction i ever read.
 
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what has everyone been reading of late? = a wonderful=20 book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  david mitchel, i = highly=20 recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm = reading=20 now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective = in=20 bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by=20 george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an = adult=20 sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books.....i = can not=20 remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing = heavy=20 but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment=20 manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin = after=20 killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and = the=20 news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going = on?????).....i=20 always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks = in=20 = advance.....michael



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Get=20 a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C7E514.7D8FC830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 21:42:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442B13BF7E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A3084@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: o.t. READING Thread-Index: Acfk2X0bkyN5/N8UT9KkXJlkd2Ci/gAK42Sw References: From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Bill Bryson - A Short History of Nearly Everything =20 Jonathan Kaplan - The Dressing Station: A Surgeon's Chronicle of=20 War and Medicine =20 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by some English chick =20 Wii User's Guide =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 21:55:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51AF43BF8E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QG/VnOSVj7BuJYMwdPrDycI6OjETQMdf4DjyzKCmeyk2jV5+G/J6I4AAsmx8heQ95iPQWjbsPjxZAJ6yGm48CP5OOZZzw4qSLK4WXCnYtcbmmYInhKE8/X4mlZhMPCYHyDYky534zE8mYyEHhbEU0zu7Bjq/qzPpTIFijFYojGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CIIghvVIaMz979yiMT8P8MPNE6que9cFNEPIUyIRgof+d5LVvnkJ9W+Nt8jDYAUsqy78aZsqiMfyUyw1WpZ1rbGy7FAviPmPkUhjvO2/CKPjrHc0vR8f2UgnNFNOsZKsPUHUPUXAs9CynuP3sS8TGj9tVGbsGLzq5DHlmkBFdSI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <009BB716-95A0-458D-ACC7-51C8AE4056EE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:55:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:55:10 +0000 (UTC) On 22 aug 2007, at 18.28, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i > finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" A while back I read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, for the first time. I think it helped me to better understand the (in my view) somewhat bizarre creativity in economically oriented contractor minded people. Still a wonderful book after many decades on the market. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 22:03:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94DF63BF8E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> Subject: RE: stretching words Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:03:14 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c7e508$3d9f0800$b8dd1800$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfk3Rx5K+Wlp28cTd24vxMyhUSLYgAKc67A Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db4750dd400005819.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <1FwC-B.A._pC.sKLzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:03:24 +0000 (UTC) For those of you have not seen Max Headroom, here's a ytube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSvAWOFdNJk&mode=related&search= I see that there is not word stretching going on, but there are pitch shifts, glitches etc that I'm also interested in applying to voice - although I don't need the robotic treatment. Since this was made many years ago, I would think that this max headroom effect is relatively easy to create with today's tools. Many have suggested granular synth and some kind of EDPloop manipulations. Perhaps it could be done with a Kaoss Pad. How would you create this effect on a pre-recorded (or live) vocal narrative with today's tools? And word stretching (without changing pitch) would be a real plus. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 22 23:39:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE933BF7E; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.1.155 X-EN-IMPSID: fBfK1X0013LfWe20000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:39:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: stretching words In-Reply-To: <004601c7e508$3d9f0800$b8dd1800$@com> References: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> <004601c7e508$3d9f0800$b8dd1800$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070822233919.08D883BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:39:20 +0000 (UTC) The Eventide H3500 series units (maybe 3000 series too?) have a stutter algorithm that can be used to create Max Headroom type effects. IIRC, Dr. Z made use of them in his treatment of My Generation at the first Loopstock. The stutter algorithm is not available in post 3500 units. At 2007.08.22 02:03 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >For those of you have not seen Max Headroom, here's a ytube clip: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSvAWOFdNJk&mode=related&search= > >I see that there is not word stretching going on, but there are pitch >shifts, glitches etc that I'm also interested in applying to voice - >although I don't need the robotic treatment. > >Since this was made many years ago, I would think that this max headroom >effect is relatively easy to create with today's tools. Many have >suggested granular synth and some kind of EDPloop manipulations. Perhaps >it could be done with a Kaoss Pad. > >How would you create this effect on a pre-recorded (or live) vocal narrative >with today's tools? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 03:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF843BF54; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <86CB08FC-9B2A-4725-AE69-2754B80F3BC5@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20070822233919.08D883BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: stretching words Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:46:21 -0700 References: <20070822045006.1622A3BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46CC6867.2060400@mhorse.com> <004601c7e508$3d9f0800$b8dd1800$@com> <20070822233919.08D883BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Come to to think of it,the kaoss pad 2 has a few presets that may give you a cool approximation of Max Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > The Eventide H3500 series units (maybe 3000 series too?) have a > stutter algorithm that can be used to create Max Headroom type > effects. IIRC, Dr. Z made use of them in his treatment of My > Generation at the first Loopstock. The stutter algorithm is not > available in post 3500 units. > > > > At 2007.08.22 02:03 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >> For those of you have not seen Max Headroom, here's a ytube clip: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSvAWOFdNJk&mode=related&search= >> >> I see that there is not word stretching going on, but there are >> pitch >> shifts, glitches etc that I'm also interested in applying to voice - >> although I don't need the robotic treatment. >> >> Since this was made many years ago, I would think that this max >> headroom >> effect is relatively easy to create with today's tools. Many have >> suggested granular synth and some kind of EDPloop manipulations. >> Perhaps >> it could be done with a Kaoss Pad. >> >> How would you create this effect on a pre-recorded (or live) vocal >> narrative >> with today's tools? And word stretching (without changing pitch) >> would be >> a real plus. >> >> -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 04:04:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAFAD3BF5A; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CD072C.1080607@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:03:56 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Review of Krispen Hartung's "Mandolin from Mars" References: <20070823034633.0D1E73BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070823034633.0D1E73BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:04:02 +0000 (UTC) hey bro, you flatter me...! It was fun to write, and I'm really glad you liked it. A pint in Santa Cruz would be grand. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Wow, I am speechless. Daryl, this is by far the best review I have > ever received. Thank you, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. > You described the imagery of some of my work better than I could. > Amazing. I owe you one? A drink or lunch at Y2K7 perhaps? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Several months after hearing it for the first time (and long after >> I'd hoped to have reviewed it), I've written a reaction to Krispen's >> "Mandolin From Mars". >> >> http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Krispen_Hartung.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 04:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487033BF78; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--916514732 From: Richard Roberts Subject: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:41:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <60WZ7D.A.zJC.IARzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:41:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--916514732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Island by Aldous Huxley Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen "If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC." - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. --Apple-Mail-2--916514732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Island by Aldous Huxley
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= --Apple-Mail-2--916514732-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 05:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB623BF6D; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036401c7e544$bef591d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: HASSELL Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:16:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Tillman wrote this list: "matthias ziegler (swiss, develops new instruments with flute maker eva kingma, great musician! echoplex man) michael heupel (plays subcontrabass flute, no looping as far as i know, grrreat jazz player) stefan keller (fireworks into echoplex guy, made a whole cd with it. pretty tonal) sabine vogel (avantgarde player, great concept for noise, windnoise, etc. uses looping very tastefully) joos rink (classical player gone wild: great singing and playing, funny character, check out his live shows - hilarious)" What respective countries are all these folks from, Tillman? Also do you guys know the wonderful Theo Travis who played at the Cambridge Live Looping Festivals. A wonderfully inventive woodwind player and a great live looper too. I loved his performance when I played at the first Cambridge festival. this widens the list to: Robert Dick Polly Moller Tillman Denhard Richard Landry Matthias Ziegler Michael Heupel Stefan Kellar Sabine Vogel Joos Rink Maybe it is time for the 1st Wind Instrument Live Looping Festival Who else should be included in this illustrious list? Who should we add from the brass world? Jeff Kaiser's way up on my list. yours, Rick Walker ( I don't play brass or woodwinds in real life but I do on T.V...........lol) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 05:20:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0577E3BEDE; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:19:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C7E512.F5189730" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:19:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C7E512.F5189730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Great Expectations"....before that "Moby Dick" (again), and next month = another classic. I won't even have time in my lifetime to finish all the = great classics and great science fiction works, to I hardly ever read = modern literature. The last thing I read was "Letter to a Christain = Nation" by Sam Harris, and before that "The God Delusion" by Dawkens, = and before that "House of Leaves" (freakin' bizarre), and before that = "The Starry Wisdom: A Tribute to HP Lovecraft" a work that most people = probably don't have the stomach to read because it is so utterly free = thinking and provocative that they would deem the work repulstive and = amoral after no more than a few pages... but the artwork and creative = imagery is captivating. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i = finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, = (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now = "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in = bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of = an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of = books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a = delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a = re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that = true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so = called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly = depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list = when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C7E512.F5189730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Great Expectations"....before that = "Moby Dick"=20 (again), and next month another classic. I won't even have time in my = lifetime=20 to finish all the great classics and great science fiction works, to I = hardly=20 ever read modern literature. The last thing I read was "Letter to a = Christain=20 Nation" by Sam Harris, and before that "The God Delusion" by Dawkens, = and before=20 that "House of Leaves" (freakin' bizarre), and before that "The = Starry=20 Wisdom: A Tribute to HP Lovecraft" a work that most people = probably=20 don't have the stomach to read because it is so utterly free thinking = and=20 provocative that they would deem the work repulstive and = amoral after=20 no more than a few pages... but the artwork and creative imagery is=20 captivating.
 
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what has everyone been reading of late? = a wonderful=20 book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  david mitchel, i = highly=20 recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm = reading=20 now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective = in=20 bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by=20 george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an = adult=20 sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books.....i = can not=20 remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing = heavy=20 but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment=20 manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin = after=20 killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and = the=20 news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going = on?????).....i=20 always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks = in=20 = advance.....michael



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Get=20 a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 ------=_NextPart_000_03FB_01C7E512.F5189730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 08:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08E73BF5F; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c7e55c$dcb26820$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <036401c7e544$bef591d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: HASSELL Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:08:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18AKUxW2NOLrkHQrzEASmGjWZq5p/+5G+wT76J AFc5Fs0Z/P2rXAsyoF2ttT65u92TaS/9qT5daCgYhrUi9IXFPr 1YyYKC4omGfJgQo7Ot4fwGY6QbLMA0C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) hi rick, here the nationalities, as far as i know: > Robert Dick USA > Tilmann Dehnhard Germany > Matthias Ziegler Switzerland > Michael Heupel Germany > Stefan Keller Austrian > Sabine Vogel German > Joos Rink German > Maybe it is time for the 1st Wind Instrument Live Looping Festival > YES!!! ANYTIME! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 08:26:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4465C3BF3B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708230826.l7N8Quvc021209@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: slightly OT: Gear for sale Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:26:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E524.B2B24780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcflX17XiL4NlBePQE6OlJxkaxf7Bg== Resent-Message-ID: <2nZ0LC.A.GoH.STUzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:26:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E524.B2B24780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm selling my Vox Tonelab SE. It comes with the power supply and manual. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E524.B2B24780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E524.B2B24780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:00:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1B93BF17; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:00:45 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: o.t. READING In-reply-to: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ss2CKDooA/+wSz3op9uxLA)" Thread-index: AcflRUgw6cPFe5YCQJWfcnLc5AJZ/gANUrfQ References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:00:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Ss2CKDooA/+wSz3op9uxLA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Happiness Myth, by Jennifer Michael Hecht. Non-fiction. A philosopher/historian deconstructs happiness and notices the glaring lack of eternal truths and preponderance of fad ideas. This woman really does think outside the box. Fascinating, and maybe in some ways life-changing. Nothing great in fiction lately - every suspense-ish book I pick up for light reading is either a riff on the Da Vinci Code (secret sects, ancient mysteries, weird creeps lurking in medieval church basements) or involves a secret cabal of right-wing radicals inside the US govt. who want to destroy the Muslim world. These are the "bad guys", but the author clearly sympathizes. Yuck. (I'm not kidding - two books in a row like this, include the most recent from Nelson DeMille, who I thought more of than this). However, I will reiterate something I put up here about a year ago - best fiction I've read in the last 5 years: The Time-Traveler's Wife. More an epic romance than science-fiction, it nonetheless offers a different perspective on the central theme of all time-travel books: predestination vs. free will. The twist: the protagonist doesn't build a time machine; instead, time travel happens to him suddenly, randomly, against his will. Thanks for all the recommendations, folks. I'm looking forward to checking out a few of them. Warren --Boundary_(ID_Ss2CKDooA/+wSz3op9uxLA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

The Happiness Myth, by Jennifer Michael Hecht. Non-fiction. A philosopher/historian deconstructs happiness and notices the glaring lack of eternal truths and preponderance of fad ideas. This woman really does think outside the box. Fascinating, and maybe in some ways life-changing.

 

Nothing great in fiction lately – every suspense-ish book I pick up for light reading is either a riff on the Da Vinci Code (secret sects, ancient mysteries, weird creeps lurking in medieval church basements) or involves a secret cabal of right-wing radicals inside the US govt. who want to destroy the Muslim world. These are the “bad guys”, but the author clearly sympathizes. Yuck. (I’m not kidding – two books in a row like this, include the most recent from Nelson DeMille, who I thought more of than this).

 

However, I will reiterate something I put up here about a year ago – best fiction I’ve read in the last 5 years: The Time-Traveler’s Wife. More an epic romance than science-fiction, it nonetheless offers a different perspective on the central theme of all time-travel books: predestination vs. free will. The twist: the protagonist doesn’t build a time machine; instead, time travel happens to him suddenly, randomly, against his will.

 

Thanks for all the recommendations, folks. I’m looking forward to checking out a few of them.

 

Warren

 

--Boundary_(ID_Ss2CKDooA/+wSz3op9uxLA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 12:13:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71013BF7E; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 769262018 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E57E.FF1717AF" Subject: RE: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:13:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D5FB21@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: o.t. READING Thread-Index: Acflfv7vZSg6kWvASXyCt6x+JhXuLw== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2007 12:13:21.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF382CA0:01C7E57E] Resent-Message-ID: <2KOY7.A.GwF.tnXzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:13:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E57E.FF1717AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Island by Aldous Huxley << =20 nice. I read that a few times, & a lot of other huxley.=20 right now, I'm just about to start the controversially-titled "who killed martin hannett?" about the infamous & influential producer's life & work.=20 just finished- "gong dreaming vol.1", "out-bloody-rageous" (about the soft machine), "one train later" by andy summers, "white bicycle" by joe boyd, barry miles' story of pink floyd's early years, & an odd little book by barney hoskyns about led zep 4. =20 I find if I read fiction, I forget about real-life, & so much as I love sci-fi, I can't hold down a day-job & a band & plough through all the greg bear/larry niven novels I'd like to. I always read manuals, over & over, & online reviews of gear. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E57E.FF1717AF Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>Island by Aldous = Huxley <<
 
nice. I read that a = few times,=20 & a lot of other huxley.
right now, I'm just = about to=20 start the controversially-titled "who killed martin hannett?" about the = infamous=20 & influential producer's life & work. 
just finished- "gong = dreaming=20 vol.1", "out-bloody-rageous" (about the soft machine), "one train later" = by andy=20 summers, "white bicycle" by joe boyd, barry miles' story = of pink=20 floyd's early years, & an odd little book by barney hoskyns = about led=20 zep 4.
 
I find if I read = fiction, I=20 forget about real-life, & so much as I love sci-fi, I can't hold = down a=20 day-job & a band & plough through all the greg bear/larry niven = novels=20 I'd like to. I=20 always read manuals, over & over, & online reviews of=20 gear.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E57E.FF1717AF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:21:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D40F3BF7C; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Uy0fom+7EjaoN3o08hZ7Xm4kByFtZCfJ141hQ01057OPBtxK/VoTQ9gi+AauW7fa6L9kAD5wVhOpwRReFhaFoBG1ufbXDZO8SF+vzTS7WTDd+c6NZgWF898mzaNZJXQjHXrgm7q+9GoacD6Mm3yaAl+s2Ngct3ZA4NEU0CxHj2c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GeXW1soExHppvz4LncpqMSrDyCwGgGy53bvqI9D/usDb71JlHRZW5pim7qvXTupXeftt/V1N90wGKhQh+0VavB7LmXMb10xm9GVpDuklgg7EoxvYb5/sR/44tOBK/8mSv0SoARprWdZO/oIYaRQIz+AwjvM2TL+WZaY6Dsmrk4s= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:21:55 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51926_26606781.1187878915694" References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:21:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51926_26606781.1187878915694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The most recent things I've read (besides the stack of Electronic Musician, Mix, etc...) American Gods - Neil Gaiman The Berserker Wars - Fred Saberhagen Time Enough for Love: The Lives of Lazarus Long. - Robert Heinlein The Nightmare Factory - Thomas Ligotti. (Great creepy stuff if you like Lovecraft) Then there's the 1/2 dozen books on fly fishing that get read a chapter here and there. -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_51926_26606781.1187878915694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The most recent things I've read (besides the stack of Electronic Musician, Mix, etc...)

American Gods - Neil Gaiman
The Berserker Wars - Fred Saberhagen
Time Enough for Love: The Lives of Lazarus Long. - Robert Heinlein
The Nightmare Factory - Thomas Ligotti. (Great creepy stuff if you like Lovecraft)

Then there's the 1/2 dozen books on fly fishing that get read a chapter here and there.


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Tony ------=_Part_51926_26606781.1187878915694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 14:24:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1D13BF78; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--881553809 Message-Id: <543e305cf7dcafe9edcd715bfdbf91fb@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:24:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--881553809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Warren, I read this last year too and absolutely loved it. I would recommend it to anyone. Besides it's obvious concerns with fate vs free will, it is also a=20 profound examination of love and what it means to be human. Extraordinary. If there is one book I've read that I hope they DON'T make a movie of,=20= it's this one -- they'd only ruin it. That and Cloud Atlas . . . Ted On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > The Time-Traveler=92s Wife.=20= --Apple-Mail-1--881553809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Warren, I read this last year too and absolutely loved it. I would recommend it to anyone. Besides it's obvious concerns with fate vs free will, it is also a profound examination of love and what it means to be human. Extraordinary. If there is one book I've read that I hope they DON'T make a movie of, it's this one -- they'd only ruin it. That and Cloud Atlas . . . Ted On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: = Arial0000,0000,808= 0The Time-Traveler=92s = WifeArial0000,0000,8080. = = --Apple-Mail-1--881553809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:04:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3F33BF7E; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92E7D41B-401D-4B5C-B034-2FBDE712AE45@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:04:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:04:31 +0000 (UTC) as an alternative to going laptop has anyone racked a G5? i previously had a racked umax s900 full of SCII cards that was somewhat nifty i am integrating a computer into live performance for looping and other things well i have a G5 2x2 tower thats workin great for me in my studio i would be hard pressed to go out and buy an equivalent laptop to have as a 2d machine and don't think i would want to go laptop for everything or is that silly its pretty easy to think of good ways to rack a tower i do use a very few other rack devices so i need to have a rack anyway albeit the existing one is quite small and that would change From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FB673BF66; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:23:20 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27512_1187882600_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:23:23 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27512_1187882600_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back. I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27512_1187882600_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.
I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels.
My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back.
I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has.
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27512_1187882600_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 15:59:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D6643BF81; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f4ovk0mdekteVjaMKhz8puVMCL6/0lHW73+31mwDHbnS0XJ1rr+DoU2xehpHG5ee4HUJAk+VOIp7mlSm5Sbo1sHsE3byA0GRAbotUhBQeWh8X6o9LYVay2+4pKHZP5qAw9S+Acy6gttA4ZFe6bzluEEI4ujd581QM11yiFu50ik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GpFZcbVydOQfSbwcaOQrNEBAQJgs4qoi7ph3k+P8NN5Jn2mjuOm/u1gu56Xq1hOrz+KR7HoYTJUaFWdGi8RHsl73nCQuaatPa1Qb3mPv/lLVYtQi+pcRzYCVgtkRhixSnmdqNK8nOofQSCjtD3TCqBDMiPWGNAGrRnq1iOjg9gs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C281282-95C9-4272-825C-4009BD439012@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:59:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <014s-B.A.e6D.u7azGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:59:43 +0000 (UTC) On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable > levels. > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can > get a faster machine I'll go back. > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty > that Bidule has. Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is the bad guy? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:10:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E983BF44; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CDB19C.4090305@biink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:11:08 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <543e305cf7dcafe9edcd715bfdbf91fb@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <543e305cf7dcafe9edcd715bfdbf91fb@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Browsing through Music Downtown by Kyle Gann. I read some of these articles in the Village Voice when they were first published. A bunch of work related material... and there's a pile of Phillip K. Dick books waiting to be read. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:14:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD673BF82; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A07 9D00070B0703@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:14:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:14:24 +0000 (UTC) At 3:23 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond Live's routing? The program has strengths and weaknesses, but the routing is definitely one of its stronger points. And while Bidule, being modular, will be more adept at handling convoluted signal paths, you've still gotta get pretty darn complex to outstrip what you can do inside Ableton. I've stuck with Live over Bidule only because of CPU utilization, but I have no problems splitting and mixing signals anywhere I need them. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:15:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17E983BF8C; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:16:08 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfloKw0z+9FsjxwSgaomf06OdfagwAACpGQ In-reply-to: X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJUv0XwOSY= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) > Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond > Live's routing? controlling switching auxes pre/post with a MIDI controller comes tom mind... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BEF53BF83; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pNCjyPHFtuoTYvasCAyDr+/rOjArs4IHkvs6erynVdaAxRTGETx3Vn14aOyVTXBFH9tjzQ8oGihnUcoCZ1I43b9GGkg3bDGN4MIJO8IcvHaD3l+RBpBFvT0Ts0oz6W8LRaiok/FJKtSl1mP0Tgk6lapah/CX7oQzFLiS61+Imfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Sfy696cDoIMzvkTAzCEmzmc2X62WOt2IA+ZtoS9GCvl4gyENkt23TvdmZRdVKxbTqsk1QJxLZXFvNIPLDkQ+Da5za8YGJAptzBIsKWWfju+is+5gI5taiHjPtRf4Tt44VU1inhvtmcTu9xo7sW1cZD2kKpnoDKp8DpAYOZrEpAE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AEAF989-4A67-4814-8A25-6BC2EEECF19F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Bidule (was Re: AW: Laptop Looping) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:34:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) >> Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond >> Live's routing? On 23 aug 2007, at 18.16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > controlling switching auxes pre/post with a MIDI controller comes tom > mind... > > Rainer Also mathematical processing or signals. These signals may be audio, MIDI or pure data. Users of Max are well aware of the strength of having these tools at hand. Oh... and something I have great use for in Bidule is to let an envelope follower direct processing; usually to change assorted VST effect parameters according to how hard I phrase a note. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B74153BF94; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:34:16 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071634.28590.46CDB708000AE5E700006FAE2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28590_1187886856_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:34:18 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28590_1187886856_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer utility on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as red dots on a graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the dropouts that are represented by the red parts of the graph rising to 100%. I've tried this with and without SL. Same result. I tried it with Ableton Live and could not replicate this. There might very well be something wrong with my computer, but I dont think so. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig > > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this > > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works > > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches > > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule > > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the > > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable > > levels. > > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can > > get a faster machine I'll go back. > > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the > > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually > > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is > > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the > > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the > > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty > > that Bidule has. > > > Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something > useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is the > bad guy? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28590_1187886856_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer utility on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as red dots on a graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the dropouts that are represented by the red parts of the graph rising to 100%.  I've tried this with and without SL. Same result. I tried it with Ableton Live and could not replicate this. There might very well be something wrong with my computer, but I dont think so.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig
> > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this
> > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works
> > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches
> > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule
> > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.
> > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the
> > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable
> > levels.
> > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe wh en I can
> > get a faster machine I'll go back.
> > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the
> > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually
> > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is
> > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the
> > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the
> > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty
> > that Bidule has.
>
>
> Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something
> useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is the
> bad guy?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
>
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28590_1187886856_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739FC3BF8D; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:36:36 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071636.9698.46CDB794000CCA14000025E22216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9698_1187886996_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:36:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9698_1187886996_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Specifically with SooperLooper. I need an overcomplicated track setup to use it. Even then, It still can't be setup with 3 loops and selectively send audio through it. Don't get me wrong. I love Live 6. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mech > At 3:23 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > >I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. > > Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond Live's routing? > > The program has strengths and weaknesses, but the routing is > definitely one of its stronger points. And while Bidule, being > modular, will be more adept at handling convoluted signal paths, > you've still gotta get pretty darn complex to outstrip what you can > do inside Ableton. > > I've stuck with Live over Bidule only because of CPU utilization, but > I have no problems splitting and mixing signals anywhere I need them. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9698_1187886996_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Specifically with SooperLooper. I need an overcomplicated track setup to use it. Even then, It still can't be setup with 3 loops and selectively send audio through it. Don't get me wrong. I love Live 6.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Mech <mech@m3ch.net>

> At 3:23 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has.
>
> Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond Live's routing?
>
> The program has strengths and weaknesses, but the routing is
> definitely one of its stronger points. And while Bidule, being
> modular, will be more adept at handling convoluted signal paths,
> you've still gotta get pretty darn complex to outstrip what you can
> do inside Ableton.
>
> I've stuck with Live over Bidule only because of CPU utilization, but
> I have no problems splitting and mixing signals anywhere I need them.
>
> --m.
> --
> _____
> "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9698_1187886996_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:38:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46313BF8C; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HPRGYXRzhGQrnA7lgZocanVIBaoVPvxktTJKG4eX9Aq6TMZPoIbXmjcR84DqIZMFjBVqRR1Hb6ZwJsU+FxeeUR4yZdX6veEPRwE5XuylwZv7lqe2fdV5jqhdkJGluXDQ5zmtRKKrryPIW4CSJmbx+COtBHGj/WhukjzrnGdIaJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kwxyA4MehE6AzzOsgyIc6gNkjkWk+o3neKli4MY193uk5Al9VYAcRcS5jns0gd65UnjJcgcA5E2idQ1zF5pdy/G+BtM0ZgG8bowMLvCdezLDY4KXCxAdppdvckaneG82WwFz0frig8b1dH+4rFZAcXsqRF1sOPvuxSJFNObXKa8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <082320071634.28590.46CDB708000AE5E700006FAE2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082320071634.28590.46CDB708000AE5E700006FAE2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FAA7267-9F67-41BF-80E3-E355472522BF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:38:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6MN85D.A.ClG.8fbzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for a good and logical answer. You would make a good beta tester ;-) I too have a Powerbook G4, but the 1,25 GHz model, and I'm not seeing this on my system. Using both Bidule and Live here. per On 23 aug 2007, at 18.34, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer > utility on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as > red dots on a graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the > dropouts that are represented by the red parts of the graph rising > to 100%. I've tried this with and without SL. Same result. I tried > it with Ableton Live and could not replicate this. There might very > well be something wrong with my computer, but I dont think so. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Per Boysen > > > On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig > > > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this > > > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works > > > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches > > > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in > Bidule > > > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > > > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the > > > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable > > > levels. > > > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe wh en > I can > > > get a faster machine I'll go back. > > > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the > > > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually > > > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is > > > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the > > > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the > > > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing > flexibilty > > > that Bidule has. > > > > > > Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something > > useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is > the > > bad guy? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:39:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FAF33BF9A; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:38:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Laptop Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) At 6:16 PM +0200 8/23/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond >> Live's routing? > >controlling switching auxes pre/post with a MIDI controller comes tom >mind... Hrm, split the channel into two further cloned channels, with one set up as a PRE aux feed and the other set up as POST. Then use MIDI to mute and unmute the appropriate channels? Okay, that's convoluted, but that's just as much a problem with the MIDI mapping as routing per se. Otherwise, you've got a point. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAE463BFA0; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:39:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: o.t. READING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC) At 12:28 PM -0400 8/22/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >what has everyone been reading of late? I've been trying to get back into fiction for a while. I just seem to have fallen out of the habit -- spending all my time reading manuals and music-industry magazines instead -- and can't seem to finish anything before getting bored with it. Heck, I've been working on Kim Stanley Robinson's "Years of Rice & Salt" for almost three years now (and I actually enjoy that one, if only I could finish the darn thing). So, to get back in the saddle, I've started going back and re-reading books I enjoyed around the time of early high school through college, when I used to scarf down books voraciously. Right now: Frederick Pohl: Gateway. George Alec Effinger: When Gravity Fails; A Fire in the Sun; & The Exile Kiss. Neil Stephenson: Snow Crash. Philip K. Dick: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said. Roger Zelazny: The Complete Amber Chronicles. Aldous Huxley: Brave New World. Also, I just picked up the new William Gibson book, but haven't yet started that one. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD633BF96; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:41:56 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071641.2969.46CDB8D40005E05100000B992216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2969_1187887316_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2969_1187887316_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Its gotta be my machine. I know the lower ram slot has gone bad, apparantly a common issue. I need to bring it in. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > Thanks for a good and logical answer. You would make a good beta > tester ;-) > I too have a Powerbook G4, but the 1,25 GHz model, and I'm not seeing > this on my system. Using both Bidule and Live here. > > per > > > On 23 aug 2007, at 18.34, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer > > utility on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as > > red dots on a graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the > > dropouts that are represented by the red parts of the graph rising > > to 100%. I've tried this with and without SL. Same result. I tried > > it with Ableton Live and could not replicate this. There might very > > well be something wrong with my computer, but I dont think so. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Per Boysen > > > > > On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig > > > > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this > > > > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works > > > > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches > > > > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in > > Bidule > > > > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > > > > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the > > > > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable > > > > levels. > > > > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe wh en > > I can > > > > get a faster machine I'll go back. > > > > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the > > > > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually > > > > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is > > > > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the > > > > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the > > > > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing > > flexibilty > > > > that Bidule has. > > > > > > > > > Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something > > > useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is > > the > > > bad guy? > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2969_1187887316_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Its gotta be my machine. I know the lower ram slot has gone bad, apparantly a common issue. I need to bring it in.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Thanks for a good and logical answer. You would make a good beta
> tester ;-)
> I too have a Powerbook G4, but the 1,25 GHz model, and I'm not seeing
> this on my system. Using both Bidule and Live here.
>
> per
>
>
> On 23 aug 2007, at 18.34, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer
> > utility on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as
> > red dots on a graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the
> > dropouts that are represented by the red parts of the graph rising
> > to 100%. I've tried this with and without SL. Same result. I tried
> > it with Ableton Live and could not repl icate this. There might very
> > well be something wrong with my computer, but I dont think so.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Per Boysen
> >
> > > On 23 aug 2007, at 17.23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig
> > > > PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this
> > > > behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works
> > > > better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches
> > > > that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in
> > Bidule
> > > > is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.
> > > > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the
> &g t; > > interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable
> > > > levels.
> > > > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe wh en
> > I can
> > > > get a faster machine I'll go back.
> > > > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the
> > > > limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually
> > > > similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is
> > > > easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the
> > > > RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the
> > > > electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing
> > flexibilty
> > > > that Bidule has.
> > >
> > >
> > > Your hints are interesting and suggest option to learn something
> > > ; useful. Would you mind posting the reason why you think Bidule is
> > the
> > > bad guy?
> > >
> > > Greetings from Sweden
> > >
> > > Per Boysen
> > > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> > > www.looproom.com (international)
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2969_1187887316_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:44:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01EEC3BF48; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Interesting Video. Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:44:33 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071644.14534.46CDB971000E77FC000038C62216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14534_1187887473_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:44:35 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14534_1187887473_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKitRcmO4I --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14534_1187887473_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14534_1187887473_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:49:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CA43BF82; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AEAF989-4A67-4814-8A25-6BC2EEECF19F@gmail.com> References: <002001c7e5a0$ea062db0$1001a8c0@succubus> <3AEAF989-4A67-4814-8A25-6BC2EEECF19F@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:49:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Bidule (was Re: AW: Laptop Looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) At 6:34 PM +0200 8/23/07, Per Boysen wrote: >>>Just curious: what are you trying to implement that is beyond >>>Live's routing? >> >>controlling switching auxes pre/post with a MIDI controller comes tom >>mind... > >Also mathematical processing or signals. These signals may be audio, >MIDI or pure data. Users of Max are well aware of the strength of >having these tools at hand. Oh... and something I have great use for >in Bidule is to let an envelope follower direct processing; usually >to change assorted VST effect parameters according to how hard I >phrase a note. Eeep! Waitasecond, before this goes off and turns into "let's list how Bidule kicks Live's butt". I was wondering what situation MidiFriedChicken -- someone just starting with *laptop* live looping -- was getting into here at the very beginning that already outstripped Live's capabilities. I've got Bidule, and love it. I know it's a more flexible program. But for many live looping apps, Live is quite flexible enough, especially when first putting together a basic setup. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 16:56:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E22153BF7B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <082320071636.9698.46CDB794000CCA14000025E22216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082320071636.9698.46CDB794000CCA14000025E22216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079 D00070B0703@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:56:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) At 4:36 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >Specifically with SooperLooper. I need an overcomplicated track >setup to use it. Even then, It still can't be setup with 3 loops and >selectively send audio through it. Don't get me wrong. I love Live 6. Gotcha. I've had some issues with setting up SooperLooper in Live previously (mostly due to my getting impatient and moving on to something else before resolving all the problems). But then again, it was SooperLooper that started me looking at Bidule in the first place, back when I had to deal with some Jack issues. As for overcomplicated track setups, yeah, I got a few of those. But then I mock up the same thing in Bidule and wind up with patch cords all over the place too. Can't win... :P Like I said, I love 'em both, but for some reason my setup keeps coming out more CPU efficient in Live, so I've stuck with that. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:17:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49E633BF16; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:17:19 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071717.18769.46CDC11F000A779B000049512216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18769_1187889439_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:17:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18769_1187889439_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It seems that is the outcome here as well. I have high hopes for the virtual Repeater. Also, Jesse, the creator of SL states that he redesigning his looper. Regardless, Im so used to workarounds in dealing with just about any looper, I'll get by. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mech > At 4:36 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >Specifically with SooperLooper. I need an overcomplicated track > >setup to use it. Even then, It still can't be setup with 3 loops and > >selectively send audio through it. Don't get me wrong. I love Live 6. > > Gotcha. I've had some issues with setting up SooperLooper in Live > previously (mostly due to my getting impatient and moving on to > something else before resolving all the problems). But then again, > it was SooperLooper that started me looking at Bidule in the first > place, back when I had to deal with some Jack issues. > > As for overcomplicated track setups, yeah, I got a few of those. But > then I mock up the same thing in Bidule and wind up with patch cords > all over the place too. Can't win... :P > > Like I said, I love 'em both, but for some reason my setup keeps > coming out more CPU efficient in Live, so I've stuck with that. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18769_1187889439_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
It seems that is the outcome here as well. I have high hopes for the virtual Repeater. Also, Jesse, the creator of SL states that he redesigning his looper. Regardless, Im so used to workarounds in dealing with just about any looper, I'll get by.
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Mech <mech@m3ch.net>

> At 4:36 PM +0000 8/23/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> >Specifically with SooperLooper. I need an overcomplicated track
> >setup to use it. Even then, It still can't be setup with 3 loops and
> >selectively send audio through it. Don't get me wrong. I love Live 6.
>
> Gotcha. I've had some issues with setting up SooperLooper in Live
> previously (mostly due to my getting impatient and moving on to
> something else before resolving all the problems). But then again,
> it was SooperLooper that started me looking at Bidule in the first
> place, back when I had to deal with some Jack issues.
>
> As for overcomplicated track setups, yeah, I got a few of those. But
> then I mock up the same thing in Bidule and wind up with patch cords
> all over the place too. Can't win... :P
>
> Like I said, I love 'em both, but for some reason my setup keeps
> coming out more CPU efficient in Live, so I've stuck with that.
>
> --m.
> --
> _____
> "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18769_1187889439_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:22:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54FB23BF4D; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:22:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: > Also, I just picked up the new William Gibson book, but haven't yet > started that one. Something else I need to read. Someone gave me a copy a few years ago. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 17:25:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C78123BF58; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8889C6AF-774F-4B1C-9E3E-3BB9175754C7@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:25:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC) One more, and music related. (but not loop-ish) "Really The Blues" by Mezz Mezzrow and Bernard Wolfe. Copyright 1946. Great autobiography by jazz artist Mezzrow and also focusses a lot on one of his "activities" that he also became well known for in Harlem in the 1920's and beyond. You will just have to read the book to find out what that was. :-) BTW, Mezz was White, but he seemed to more prefer the company and friendship (and?) of members of the Black (and music) community way back then, which was certainly *not* something that most Whites were inclined to do in America in those ugly and brutal segregation days. (And way too many Americans still are like this, even today. Sad.) Definitely some REVcommended reading, but is not the easiest book to find. At least it wasn't for me until I finally found a used paperback copy about 5 years ago. Well worth trying, though... -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:01:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D0C3BF16; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4741.65.160.58.236.1187892071.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FS: EMS SynthiA From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Forgive the repost but it seems my current deal may have flown the coop. So, without futher ado I am forced to consider this back on the market unless I hear otherwise ASAP: FS: EMS SynthiA MK1 with power supply rebuild, 20+ pins, Kenton Cinch Jone<-> 3x1/8" cable with 1 oct/vt convertor. For trades I am specificially looking for a Serge Animal Panel plus cash. Asking $6000 US OBO. Located in Phila PA. See description below for all details. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------- This is an early 1970s EMS SynthiA in equisite condition. Cosmetically is it excellent; not "for it's age" as they say in the Eb*y ads but truly excellent. The front panel gleams, the coloured knobs (heh, UK spelling there) are shiny and complete, the case itself is great including the latches which work fine. This is an ultrarare MK1 which has the original patch pin layout giving you separate waveforms for VCOs 1 and 2. Functionally everything great as well and all knobs, switches, speakers, matrix connections, etc work 100%. A good resolution picture of the unit I am selling is here: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/synthi1.jpg I have other pictures as well. A few years ago I had the power supply rebuilt by Phil Cirocco @CMS in PA and any issues with the MK1 PS were corrected. I have driven a Crickwood DK2 from this unit and it's worked perfectly. If you're familiar with the unit, be it from reading about them or seeing one in person, you know this is one of the most unique electronic instruments ever made. Used by Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, Aphex Twin, etc etc. I have never seen a better example of this model (let alone in a MK1 version) as well. This sale comes with the following: SynthiA with both halves of the suitcase. Please note this does not have the KS sequencer keyboard (otherwise I would be listing a SynthiAKS no?) 20-30 Pins (a few of them brand new with insulation 100%) White, grey, Coloured (heh). Kenton UK Cinch Jones-> 3x1/8" adapter cable which allows you to run the Synthi via CV/GATE at the more standard 1vt/oct plus another input to control the VCF, Env, etc via any 1/8" connection. I used this with my Kenton Pro2 and ProSolo and it was very cool. I had copies of all the manuals (users, patchbook, etc) and if I can find those they will be included in hardcopy as well. Please read all the following terms before emailing and asking to buy this: --------------------------------- I am asking $6000 US OBO for this unit. Buyer pays any fees for shipping, etc. Given the rarity, condition, and current prices for this model that is certainly market value. However, I will listen to all reasonable offers. To help us all out I'll define a reasaonable offer as one by a serious buyer who is prepared to purchase the unit right away not "when they get the $$ together" and who makes an offer close to my asking price and makes it very easy for me to sell this to them. :) I will consider being more generous in the price for a local cash sale (Phila Pa, USA). If there are no local pickup sales after a while I will consider shipping on a full prepay with suitable waiting period for funds to clear. No scams or nonsense tolerated obviously, we all know the score on those. I generally won't use paypal for an item this expensive but I might accept paypal from buyers I know. Given you will pay the fees which may be around $200 or more I would far prefer you found another way to make payment and saved us both some $$ and aggravation. Some partial trades might be possible as well. I am always looking for Banana based modular gear (Serge or Modcan/Cynthia). I am aware this is not a toy price nor is it a toy piece. I have been playing and collecting vintage synthesizers for over 15 years and worked very hard to have this item in my collection. I do not NEED to sell it. However, I will gladly work with anyone who is serious and will be able to buy the unit sooner than later. Thanks for reading. Any questions please email me. D_ ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:24:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0CC3BF17; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cyCGTdMk1ryOqkeRxNRAkDJYLXSlYrJ4mzT5YBawgfuEWAR6WJ4YgXV9FY9jJ8FLzSdRo0AYZPzCGqWcV3aC4wcMuLikU6YNS4BXev7pGSVPpswkelZ/XH1wruw6dgqtP7CyigbDTcaBR/YPe2c0UvGahEMoz72qHKZ0a50LaSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tVcJsYY2SAsYkZ8UC07R0IzoqT/xyO/wWfh11YroGQ0G7IESjzJszLVlc8zsDGxBLZI1vMY/xfuJ4HduV3XL5yHOVp+pMSBUqh4ckkK9QarQx2/3nGCB4bjLcs0k3DvsJxF0o0m9fFMBs0iLLm42C8L/lSIWqtPm60VAN9mOVsI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8889C6AF-774F-4B1C-9E3E-3BB9175754C7@ubergadget.com> References: <8889C6AF-774F-4B1C-9E3E-3BB9175754C7@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:24:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2gex-D.A.smE.TDdzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:24:20 +0000 (UTC) On 23 aug 2007, at 19.25, Rev Fever wrote: > "Really The Blues" by Mezz Mezzrow and Bernard Wolfe. Copyright 1946. > > Great autobiography by jazz artist Mezzrow and also focusses a lot > on one of his "activities" that he also became well known for in > Harlem in the 1920's and beyond. Highly seconded! I read this book long ago and can't recommend it too much! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:27:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA7A3BF0A; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 596535459-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.205.9 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwPAI9uzUZPQs0J/2dsb2JhbACCIASmDg Message-ID: <46CDD194.8050703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:27:32 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping References: <082320071634.28590.46CDB708000AE5E700006FAE2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082320071634.28590.46CDB708000AE5E700006FAE2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:27:12 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer utility > on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as red dots on a > graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the dropouts that are > represented by the red parts of the graph rising to 100%. I've tried > this with and without SL. Same result. I tried it with Ableton Live and > could not replicate this. There might very well be something wrong with > my computer, but I dont think so. > any other plug-ins in Bidule? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:31:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF54A3BF67; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> References: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:31:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: o.t. READING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:31:55 +0000 (UTC) At 1:22 PM -0400 8/23/07, David Beardsley wrote: > >>new William Gibson book... > >Someone gave me a copy a few years ago. /puzzled You mean "Spook Country"? I think that one's copyright 2007, ain't it? Erm, what year are we in currently? (I really need to lay off reading PKD.) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 18:34:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB273BF33; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:34:00 +0000 Message-Id: <082320071834.4443.46CDD3180000E9F00000115B2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4443_1187894040_0" Resent-Message-ID: <86Q59C.A.sRF.aMdzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:34:02 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4443_1187894040_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It happens less with no Plug Ins (but whats the fun in that?), But it still happens. I pretty sure its just my machine. Its allergic to Bidule. -------------- Original message -------------- From: andy butler > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer utility > > on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as red dots on a > > graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the dropouts that are > > represented by the red parts of the graph rising to 100%. I've tried > > this with and without SL. Same result. I tried it with Ableton Live and > > could not replicate this. There might very well be something wrong with > > my computer, but I dont think so. > > > > any other plug-ins in Bidule? > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4443_1187894040_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
It happens less with no Plug Ins (but whats the fun in that?), But it still happens. I pretty sure its just my machine. Its allergic to Bidule.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

> midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the activity viewer utility
> > on, I can see the system requirements (which are shown as red dots on a
> > graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with the dropouts that are
> > represented by the red parts of the graph rising to 100%. I've tried
> > this with and without SL. Same result. I tried it with Ableton Live and
> > could not replicate this. There might very well be something wrong with
> > my computer, but I dont think so.
> >
>
> any other plug-ins in Bidule?
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4443_1187894040_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:07:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F353BF39; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) last 30 days: Gillen & Mckelvie's _Phonogram_ graphic novel compilation "Rue Brittania", lovely stuff inspired by Britpop Steve Krug, _Don't Make Me Think!_ (web usability design) Morville & Rosenfeld, _Information Architecture for the WWW_, new 3rd edition various, _Worldchanging_ - wonderful and inspirational book Gaiman, _M Is For Magic_ Pratchett, several Discworld novels, all rereads Gaiman and Reeves, _Interworld_ Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ Walter Thompson, _Soundpainting: The Art of Live Composition - Workbook I_ PKDick, _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ - reread, doing an online seminar on PKD next month JK Rowling, _Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows_ Alan Moore, _Alan Moore's Wild Worlds_ (graphic novel anthology) Zorn, ed. _Arcana II_ - the sequel to Zorn's _Arcana is out after seven years, another thirty articles by musicians about music. Highly recommended. Duckworth, _Talking Music_ Warren Ellis, _Crooked Little Vein_ Jasper Fforde, _First Among Sequels_ fifth in a surrealistic humorous fantasy story Mannix, Daniel P. _Freaks: We Who Are Not As Others_ (RE/SEARCH Classics) Hand, Elizabeth - _Generation Loss_ - good, creepy, DK Moran, _The Ring_ (reread, rare book) Gibson, _Pattern Recognition_ (reread to prep for the next) Gibson, _Spook Country_ Bernie Krause, _Wild Soundscapes_ Up next: Craig Saper's _Artificial Mythologies_ or Jonathan Sterne's _The Audible Past: Cultural Origins of Sound Reproduction_ regards, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:18:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD2293BF20; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46CDDD88.4000700@biink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:18:32 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING References: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: > At 1:22 PM -0400 8/23/07, David Beardsley wrote: > >> >>> new William Gibson book... >> >> >> Someone gave me a copy a few years ago. > > > /puzzled > > You mean "Spook Country"? I think that one's copyright 2007, ain't it? > > Erm, what year are we in currently? 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------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C7E5CB.E0EFC440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:25:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2B5F3BF54; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZqkXVttOmaVUTWfB2iwdrPo8uvMwmj3D/NrmYHvFKBcueKXTe5aGVYmcLleRwefVCjXh8E+WpYUoxu094ECrgpeU1XAm4L/qyguowDHWgxI9x5mNm3RJwBcD1M4i0avQzscq7V19pPzHpA57l9a5nYNfP+RKPwfAdnAv69VxnZs=; X-YMail-OSG: CrYlkU0VM1kvQSv0Uq0htHG.ZnbHpBszh_FBgB9YEyx.UuqT6TQ8DP8WxW4N0kcU3N0f5CU6FbsVNQjleKQx.mNBdS4LuNi89WNYcr4W.Va8wuJtce1iYe95Kyg- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Laptop Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <082320071834.4443.46CDD3180000E9F00000115B2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <994337.79496.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Try opening up a Terminal window (Applications/Utilities/Terminal), then run vm_stat 1 and look for sudden large changes in the faults, pageins or pageout column when you get the CPU spikes. If you see big numbers coinciding with the CPU spikes, you need more memory (the CPU is spending time managing virtual memory on and off disk - you'll see increased disk activity too). Use ctrl-c to stop the vm_stat listing after you've seen enough ;) I must admit I don't know Mac OS X memory management as well as some other Unixes, but usually paging is quite benign (unless done in massive amounts) and swapping (effectively paging entire applications in and out of memory from disk) is the real no-no, but I haven't turned up anything to measure swapping, only paging. Any hints from the Mac users ? Thanks, - Tony --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > It happens less with no Plug Ins (but whats the fun > in that?), But it still happens. I pretty sure its > just my machine. Its allergic to Bidule. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: andy butler > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > I believe Bidule is the culpret because with the > activity viewer utility > > > on, I can see the system requirements (which are > shown as red dots on a > > > graph). There are cpu spikes that coincide with > the dropouts that are > > > represented by the red parts of the graph rising > to 100%. I've tried > > > this with and without SL. Same result. I tried > it with Ableton Live and > > > could not replicate this. There might very well > be something wrong with > > > my computer, but I dont think so. > > > > > > > any other plug-ins in Bidule? > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:28:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0373BF4D; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZdKvYhd+sslwJ87hPl0JQTCGCtNlqxTJKnwMor7NQL1pTarNmIDv2ySq6rLgWN/VbUsh01B0TJTvyIxwh5S1WaR3kPjnzR+CD8BFmNZ7XvOTsMQNq5n/0uZydJOvzIak0/cZ03O3r5fWfwBdM17VdcwCOXfudbY4TX+cgc0P+RE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fb+LkYkcU3WTajNSlbNXVXGOZdJaeYhT+87Yek4cuXPBdrBvVKgTIJbAEOKEpKx60ecLAsrqex0YF+PF41z6OtR4J8Q//MdGLkbu8fWZ3t+fx/+aHG6/uDQqgzGQQA6YII2EBRBK93isvp1848R2gyQ79VRU0x2fbw/pabt/zJY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:28:06 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50980_23629570.1187897286179" References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:28:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50980_23629570.1187897286179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think I'm in a minority. I haven't read any of them. It's not that I'm not interested, just way too many other books that are ahead in the line. :) Tony On 8/23/07, markfrancombe@gmail.com wrote: > > Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ??? > > I am!!! > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com > He writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=184310747 > thank-you > > > > > ------------------------------ > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 14041 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > ------=_Part_50980_23629570.1187897286179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think I'm in a minority.  I haven't read any of them.  It's not that I'm not interested, just way too many other books that are ahead in the line. :)

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------=_Part_50980_23629570.1187897286179-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:34:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007553BF13; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46CDDD88.4000700@biink.com> References: <46CDC264.2040501@biink.com> <46CDDD88.4000700@biink.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: o.t. READING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1xDol.A.EjH.sEezGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:34:04 +0000 (UTC) At 3:18 PM -0400 8/23/07, David Beardsley wrote: >Mech wrote: >> >>You mean "Spook Country"? I think that one's copyright 2007, ain't it? > >oops, I think I wanted to say that I still haven't read the last >one, Pattern Recognition. Whew, that makes more sense. Dude, stop messing with my tenuous grip on Reality. ;^) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:55:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDF5E3BF48; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 596562626-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.205.9 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwPAAKCzUZPQs0J/2dsb2JhbACCIASmBg Message-ID: <46CDE643.9040201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:55:47 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0N5xpB.A.bQ.tYezGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:55:25 +0000 (UTC) markfrancombe@gmail.com wrote: > Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ??? > > I am!!! > > mark francombe yes, no spoilers andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADADC3BF56; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:56:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: o.t. READING Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8jTGdC.A.CZ.nZezGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) At 3:28 PM -0400 8/23/07, Tony K wrote: >>On 8/23/07, markfrancombe@gmail.com >><markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ??? > >I think I'm in a minority. I haven't read any of them. It's not >that I'm not interested, just way too many other books that are >ahead in the line. :) I haven't read any of them either, but that's because my wife has always been a big Potter fan (she started keeping up with 'em right before the second book was released; long before any serious talk of movies). She gives me a synopsis of what's happening from book to book as they come out, so I've never bothered to read them myself. BTW, she absolutely HATED the new book. She said J.K. Rowling was merely sleepwalking her way through the whole thing so she could collect a paycheck. Don't know if I could blame Rowling, though. She could write Jabberwocky in reverse interspersed with the NYC Yellow Pages and this last book would still have been a bestseller. And the scriptwriters are gonna take the bare plot threads and re-write the whole thing for the movie anyway. Why kill yourself at this point.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 19:57:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409AE3BF62; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EqP6FEpcm7UWSiCKnPhaYwFIErBOXWkjDP1RMXhWwqcrA6fr0jGRI/5YtVTZpeFglzSQcDOPCTBUxMo7UxuILrizs0bxXr6K/RiPyV2F+94qzgRUWaktWU4IiCsIH8FFIVN1tusgqrVI9uGfw+qawNNgCOy4bnEO0lQUZCd/+vE=; X-YMail-OSG: AsZ7hPQVM1mrSHdGOPbAL7IbQSM3sA6ipRbdyf510PUAd3bTCiFr6GxZ86Szr3CJIA-- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:57:57 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: o.t. READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <753509.53181.qm@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:57:59 +0000 (UTC) --- Mech wrote: > I've been trying to get back into fiction for a while. I just seem > to have fallen out of the habit -- spending all my time reading > manuals and music-industry magazines instead -- and > can't seem to finish anything before getting bored with it. Like he said. So I've been re-reading (and swapping about between) : Gogol - Dead Souls Orwell - Coming Up For Air Dostoyevsky - Notes From Underground Kafka - The Trial and in non-fiction Adorno - The Jargon of Authenticity (just starting...) Boethius - Consolation of Philosophy but it's all going very, very slowly :( - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:00:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC) >>> Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ??? No, but Dennis Potter. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:08:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3C43BF2B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c7e5c9$b36eaab0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E58F.070FD2B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcflmZ/4/cQXA6bTQlG5Qsvjfo+PqwAL7pbg In-Reply-To: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E58F.070FD2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds odd to abandon laptop looping because of one VST host. Live = isn't as good as Bidule, but on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great plug-ins and is a pretty capable DAW. =20 I don't remember you saying if you were using Firewire or USB for audio. =20 -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping =20 So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB = seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes = were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live = work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.=20 I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. = But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels.=20 My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get = a faster machine I'll go back.=20 I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations = because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy = clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. = But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are = great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing = flexibilty that Bidule has.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E58F.070FD2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds odd to abandon laptop = looping because of one VST host.  Live isn’t as good as Bidule, but = on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great plug-ins and is a pretty = capable DAW.

 

I don’t remember you saying = if you were using Firewire or USB for audio.

 

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Laptop = Looping

 

So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the = activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate = this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works = better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are = unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the = glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.

I tried raising the audio buffer on both = Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable = levels.

My laptop looping experiment has failed = miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back.

I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier = to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually = similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide = with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic = stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had = the routing flexibilty that Bidule has.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C7E58F.070FD2B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 21:20:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961E73BF23; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:20:11 +0000 Message-Id: <082320072120.916.46CDFA0B0008A2AA000003942215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_916_1187904011_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_916_1187904011_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well I was looking to migrate to a Laptop completly. I use Live already in a solo electronica project. SL is used sparingly with good results. I also play Acoustic music for the "Common Masses" as Kripen refers to them. For that gig, I use an RC 50. I was experimenting with the laptop for its seemingly infinite flexibility in regards to effects and routing. I just cant get it to work without the occasional pop, or dropout. Even if it only happens intermittingly, my faith is shattered. With the other gig, I can hide flaws with other sounds like percussion, deep delays and gobs of reverb. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mark Sottilaro" Sounds odd to abandon laptop looping because of one VST host. Live isn’t as good as Bidule, but on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great plug-ins and is a pretty capable DAW. I don’t remember you saying if you were using Firewire or USB for audio. -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back. I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_916_1187904011_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Well I was looking to migrate to a Laptop completly. I use Live already in a solo electronica project. SL is used sparingly with good results. I also play Acoustic music for the "Common Masses" as Kripen refers to them. For that gig, I use an RC 50. I was experimenting with the laptop for its seemingly infinite flexibility in regards to effects and routing. I just cant get it to work without the occasional pop, or dropout. Even if it only happens intermittingly, my faith is shattered. With the other gig, I can hide flaws with other sounds like percussion, deep delays and gobs of reverb.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>

Sounds odd to abandon laptop looping because of one VST host.  Live isn’t as good as Bidule, but on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great plug-ins and is a pretty capable DAW.

 

I don’t remember you saying if you were using Firewire or USB for audio.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:23 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Laptop Looping

 

So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.

I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels.

My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back.

I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has.

 

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_916_1187904011_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 22:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396BE3BF3B; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Message-ID: <008501c7e5d2$b7780ee0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:12:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C7E5B1.2F118D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <1oepZC.A.FTF.pZgzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:12:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C7E5B1.2F118D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge, = http://www.farsector.com/quadrant/interview-vinge.htm=20 I love all his stuff, I have ordered Cloud Atlas and some others from = this thread. Thanks Nemoguit! Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: o.t. READING what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i = finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, = (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now = "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in = bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of = an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of = books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a = delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a = re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that = true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so = called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly = depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list = when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: = 8/21/2007 4:02 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C7E5B1.2F118D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge,  http://www= .farsector.com/quadrant/interview-vinge.htm 
I love all his stuff, I have ordered = Cloud Atlas=20 and some others from this thread. Thanks Nemoguit!
 
Jeff
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what has everyone been reading of late? = a wonderful=20 book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  david mitchel, i = highly=20 recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm = reading=20 now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective = in=20 bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by=20 george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of an = adult=20 sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of books.....i = can not=20 remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a delight.....nothing = heavy=20 but all fun stuff.....add to this, a re-reading of all my equipment=20 manuals.....someone wrote last week that true happiness can begin = after=20 killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called entertainement is sad and = the=20 news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is going = on?????).....i=20 always get a great reading list when this question is asked so thnaks = in=20 = advance.....michael



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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C7E5B1.2F118D40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 22:28:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBFF43BF3E; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c7e5d4$f71a1e60$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <008501c7e5d2$b7780ee0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:28:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7E5A2.AB773F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7E5A2.AB773F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love Vinge! "Fire Upon the Deep" was excellent....very creative. I = rate him up there with David Zindell and his "Neverness", The Wild, and = The Broken God. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: o.t. READING Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge, = http://www.farsector.com/quadrant/interview-vinge.htm=20 I love all his stuff, I have ordered Cloud Atlas and some others from = this thread. Thanks Nemoguit! Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: o.t. READING what has everyone been reading of late? a wonderful book that i = finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by david mitchel, i highly recommend, = (mr peters, i think you would really enjoy this).....i'm reading now = "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story of an indian detective in = bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm waiting for the fifth = book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE series, sort of = an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in this group of = books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF PI" was a = delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a = re-reading of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that = true happiness can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so = called entertainement is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly = depressing (wtf is going on?????).....i always get a great reading list = when this question is asked so thnaks in advance.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: = 8/21/2007 4:02 PM ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7E5A2.AB773F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love Vinge!  "Fire Upon the = Deep" was=20 excellent....very creative.  I rate him up there with David Zindell = and his=20 "Neverness", The Wild, and The Broken God.
 
Kris
 
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Subject: Re: o.t. READING

Rainbows End, Vernor Vinge,  http://www= .farsector.com/quadrant/interview-vinge.htm 
I love all his stuff, I have ordered = Cloud Atlas=20 and some others from this thread. Thanks Nemoguit!
 
Jeff
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Subject: o.t. READING

what has everyone been reading of = late? a=20 wonderful book that i finished a bit ago "CLOUD ATLAS" by  = david=20 mitchel, i highly recommend, (mr peters, i think you would really = enjoy=20 this).....i'm reading now "SACRED GAMES" by vikram chandra, a story = of an=20 indian detective in bombay, great insite into indian culture.....i'm = waiting=20 for the fifth book by george r.r. martin in his A SONG OF ICE AND = FIRE=20 series, sort of an adult sword and sorcery story, some neat ideas in = this=20 group of books.....i can not remember who wrote it but "THE STORY OF = PI" was=20 a delight.....nothing heavy but all fun stuff.....add to this, a = re-reading=20 of all my equipment manuals.....someone wrote last week that true = happiness=20 can begin after killing one's t.v., i'm ready, the so called = entertainement=20 is sad and the news and weather is overwhelmingly depressing (wtf is = going=20 on?????).....i always get a great reading list when this question is = asked=20 so thnaks in=20 = advance.....michael



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------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7E5A2.AB773F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 23 23:04:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7496B3BF44; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c7e5d9$ed98b360$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C7E59F.4139DB60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfly2ptcHRILERRQkSIjsB02rvMNAADd+dQ In-Reply-To: <082320072120.916.46CDFA0B0008A2AA000003942215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:04:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C7E59F.4139DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if the Boss does what you need, then there you have it. You = already own your tool. You might want to look into more memory or a more = capable laptop. My dual core 2 gighz machine with 2 gig o ram hums along nicely with Live 6 and/or Bidule. I'm working with Mobius though on the XP = format. I've thought about trying to get Sooperlooper up and running in Live on = my G5 but I haven't come close to exhausting my current setup. I wish I'd known Sooperlooper had issues with Digital Performer (but not with Live) = I might have gone with a Macbook instead of the Toshiba I ended up with. = Not that I'm complaining though (but man XP is clunky and ugly) =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Laptop Looping =20 Well I was looking to migrate to a Laptop completly. I use Live already = in a solo electronica project. SL is used sparingly with good results. I also play Acoustic music for the "Common Masses" as Kripen refers to them. = For that gig, I use an RC 50. I was experimenting with the laptop for its seemingly infinite flexibility in regards to effects and routing. I just cant get it to work without the occasional pop, or dropout. Even if it = only happens intermittingly, my faith is shattered. With the other gig, I can hide flaws with other sounds like percussion, deep delays and gobs of reverb. -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "Mark Sottilaro" =20 Sounds odd to abandon laptop looping because of one VST host. Live = isn't as good as Bidule, but on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great plug-ins and is a pretty capable DAW. =20 I don't remember you saying if you were using Firewire or USB for audio. =20 -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping =20 So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB = seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The cpu spikes = were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are unacceptable for live = work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.=20 I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. = But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels.=20 My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can get = a faster machine I'll go back.=20 I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations = because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the glitchy = clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with all those delays. = But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are = great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing = flexibilty that Bidule has.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C7E59F.4139DB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, if the Boss does what you = need, then there you have it.  You already own your tool.  You might want = to look into more memory or a more capable laptop.  My dual core 2 = gighz machine with 2 gig o ram hums along nicely with Live 6 and/or = Bidule.  I’m working with Mobius though on the XP format.  I’ve thought = about trying to get Sooperlooper up and running in Live on my G5 but I = haven’t come close to exhausting my current setup.  I wish I’d known = Sooperlooper had issues with Digital Performer (but not with Live) I might have gone = with a Macbook instead of the Toshiba I ended up with.  Not that I’m = complaining though (but man XP is clunky and ugly)

 

Mark

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, August = 23, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Laptop = Looping

 

Well I was looking to migrate to a Laptop = completly. I use Live already in a solo electronica project. SL is used sparingly = with good results. I also play Acoustic music for the "Common Masses" as = Kripen refers to them. For that gig, I use an RC 50. I was experimenting with = the laptop for its seemingly infinite flexibility in regards to effects and routing. I just cant get it to work without the occasional pop, or dropout. Even if it only happens intermittingly, my faith is shattered. With the other gig, I can hide flaws with other sounds = like percussion, deep delays and gobs of reverb.

-------------- Original message = --------------
From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net> =

Sounds odd to = abandon laptop looping because of one VST host.  Live isn’t as good = as Bidule, but on the other hand it comes with a full complement of great = plug-ins and is a pretty capable DAW.

 

I don’t = remember you saying if you were using Firewire or USB for = audio.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, August = 23, 2007 8:23 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Laptop = Looping

 

So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the = activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate = this behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works = better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are = unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond cool, but the = glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway.

I tried raising the audio buffer on both = Bidule and/or the interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable = levels.

My laptop looping experiment has failed = miserably. Maybe when I can get a faster machine I'll go back.

I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier = to hide the limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually = similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide = with all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic = stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had = the routing flexibilty that Bidule has.

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 01:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6F583BF38; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:12:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2818046==.ALT" Message-Id: <20070824011220.E29B0247B9@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:12:27 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_2818046==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm just getting into the last part of the Saratine Mosaic by Guy Gavriel Kay book recently I've read just about everything of his that I could find, sort of an interesting mix, historical fantasy, earlier I re-read some of Charles DeLint's books, also in the fantasy catagory and all of Elizabeth Georges Crime novels. Paul Haslem, www.dulcify.ca --=====================_2818046==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I'm just getting into the last part of the Saratine Mosaic by Guy Gavriel Kay book recently I've read just about everything of his that I could find, sort of an interesting mix, historical fantasy, earlier I re-read some of Charles DeLint's books, also in the fantasy catagory and  all of Elizabeth Georges Crime novels.

Paul Haslem,
www.dulcify.ca --=====================_2818046==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 01:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BDFA3BF3D; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:22:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: o.t. READING In-Reply-To: <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <00b601c7e5bb$1eca2dc0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3419609==.ALT" Message-Id: <20070824012209.A795A14E3E@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9skbQB.A.mPC.DLjzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:22:11 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_3419609==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I listened to it as an audio book while driving back and forth to work, very dark this one..... I don't see it as a kids book anymore Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 03:23 PM 8/23/2007, you wrote: >Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ??? > >I am!!! > >mark francombe >marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com >He writes for www.furthernoise.org >and works at www.transformlearning.com >i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT >http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=184310747 > thank-you > --=====================_3419609==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I listened to it as an audio book while driving back and forth to work, very dark this one..... I don't see it as a kids book anymore

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca



At 03:23 PM 8/23/2007, you wrote:
Is no one reading the new Harry Potter... ???
 
I am!!!
 
mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com
He writes for www.furthernoise.org
and works at www.transformlearning.com
i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=184310747
 thank-you
 
--=====================_3419609==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 03:39:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584AB3BF2E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XpgbaM71du8Kuy84XGiN8PSwDS3t4Q/nln7yNVVBbgI/t5L13i4VOVkKmVdVOkMYpGtr6zsVocZiGp34RTTTuI4QpxUjL4atrukZTAYkwI7CpTzpk6fYQTkI9nj/lW93mT9HSbDiRokrZMctKGpXRkmSCuPJmz/VDLzEWZHL6DQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=l+KU4OUkboLraib9WO9ow2aJO2MIpWtt146bUFKkBCR6PgUy92xZ8/4wuVc6k/R3eUDHYwyHfYNcguWUmnn/Mr7AY6Myj0CxCnxMJ+djsaMh6SwEuxFAtie725/8pSPjBmuswA0vtnwyW2TkOIC4zzxFGDPKsh4yBeobMtwAiHQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:39:21 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reading the entrails of Mobius In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2FB3@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A2FB3@keel.sailpoint.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b501ed3afd4e9c80 Resent-Message-ID: <0Z4hGC.A.FxG.sLlzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:39:24 +0000 (UTC) While we're at it, I whipped out cloc to compute similar metrics for SooperLooper (not that there is really any useful comparison to be made based on these numbers): Core SooperLooper 5404 comments 22197 code lines GUI (not incl. toolkit) 1273 comments 9837 code lines ====================================================== Total: 6677 comments 32034 code lines Third party libs are not counted (libsndfile, libsamplerate, wxWidgets, JACK, liblo, libxml2, libsigc++). Let me be the first to say I'm not proud of some of those lines of code :) For reference, the open source DAW Ardour has the following stats (not including third party libs): Ardour: 21857 comments 138219 code lines It is likely that the future implementation of SL will be based on Ardour's backend, FWIW. jlc On 8/22/07, Jeff Larson wrote: > Core Mobius + MIDI + Utilities + SoundTouch: 78239 statements > > Mobius UI + UI Toolkit: 21004 statements > > Core Mobius with UI: 99243 statements From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 08:27:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B382C3BF23; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:27:18 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070812182123.051c95f8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Message-ID: <20070824082718.19040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070812182123.051c95f8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Subject: Re: Practicing Looping in the Dark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VddYK/WVV3QW0Fan9YBo9SYwagOpv+zqdPA9LeY U6afDPV49cyFGs815TLuLvhR8TkPfPZ3c+FQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: UqT5cRl+bGInYdBtlmVn1qpvcmZ1Ztx2 Resent-Message-ID: <4Do5-D.A.1TB.pZpzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Cara >thorough understanding of my instrument yes, that's really an important point. Especially with complex gear, sometimes people don't take the time to deeply understand the way it functions. So it's a bit of the "Loop Whisperer" I guess ;-) Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 08:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D678B3BF23; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:32:57 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Wv3skrEnWAxzSu6gW+UIeYhtMsT1ZYVSMbhL+Pd 647kcWin9Xns0lRz8hN1Q+/BfyqnhG7Y6I+w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 2PulLj1STlI8c8F+jGlrW7ROU2poZVlw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:32:59 +0000 (UTC) yeah, would be great. We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just link-reference in the mail postings... Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 08:38:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 873493BF3E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:38:13 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070824083813.239290@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <003b01c7e1d8$ee1be6e0$ca53b4a0$@com> <121a01c7e1da$39a2d000$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004e01c7e1e4$5b2dcdb0$11896910$@com> <12f401c7e205$910a6580$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: rang3 ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Lm/4wGDkLn8Iou4IE0QjLnfwtAUeTvxU4TVcMxp MBzkgm68UKrnkFwCLAQfWUr69abupN/qIXcQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: za/7cgwaTiE+Y9p6nGVwi5B9ZUVSRFeO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:38:14 +0000 (UTC) seeing is believing... Could be interesting if this is true and not only a marketing hype. Btw: >The main selling feature was the A/B loop option (which is great for > looping jazz standards) and the Multiply feature I can do all this also with my Boss RC-50: - A/B Looping - Multiply - Loop decay... I know it is a bit more complex and then just pressing a plain pedal, but it really really works... Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 08:39:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE5B3BF26; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13844116-6169-4B82-B7FD-4D6D48004F3C@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:39:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:39:43 +0000 (UTC) http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: > yeah, would be great. > We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just > link-reference in the mail postings... > Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 08:43:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A27203BF3E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:43:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20070824084327.239290@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-2 demo songs & how to access them? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EXcwEGq9EOVnXnM645l/YlKOwDs3qQAlHJwpxnm IJejICWgiOOCkengOlwBXmsild+u9m9CQhsQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: F6j9chMUX1V6K512l2ByFtV/SDc4NExs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks to complement my setup with a battery driven alternative, I've got myself an RC-2 (+ Edirol battery mixer MX10 - thanks Kris!!). I must say, really nice + clean device. (have to comment more on my first impressions...) Funny thing was: When I unplugged my extra footswitches, it started to play a demo song. Actually, there were two (one more like a blues and one more like sound effects). I wasn't able to access them otherwise and haven't seen them documented anywhere. Does anyone know? Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 09:02:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEB3F3BF20; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c7e62d$713abc60$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070824084327.239290@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 demo songs & how to access them? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:02:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) That's great. I had no idea there was were demos. I guess I need to get the footswitches! BTW, how do you like the Edirol mixer? Is it fairly straightforward and clean? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi folks > > to complement my setup with a battery driven alternative, I've got myself > an RC-2 (+ Edirol battery mixer MX10 - thanks Kris!!). > I must say, really nice + clean device. (have to comment more on my first > impressions...) > > Funny thing was: > When I unplugged my extra footswitches, it started to play a demo song. > Actually, there were two (one more like a blues and one more like sound > effects). > > I wasn't able to access them otherwise and haven't seen them documented > anywhere. > > Does anyone know? > Buzap > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? > Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 10:17:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1283B3BF33; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: .o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:17:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:17:27 +0000 (UTC) This book has been so enjoyable and informative about the fascinating history of the rise of the personal computer that I'm reading just a little bit a night to really soak it in. Markoff, John. What the Doormouse Said: How the 60s Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer. Viking Adult. April 21, 2005, 336 pages. Also, I read it a few months back but Ashley Kahn's brilliant book Kind of Blue: The Making of the Miles Davis Masterpiece and the things that led to it's innovation in Miles Davis's career and the whole time period is my favorite book I've ever read on the subject of music. Hands down. I just loved it. I went out and bought the remastered version of this, the biggest seller in all jazz history and listened to each track as they were described. Though it goes in depth into how each track was made and recorded, it is really the philosophical, aethetic and historical takes that made this book wonderful. If you don't want to read about the minutae (in itself, fascinating to me) then do yourself the favor and read just the first chapters that lead up to that information. This is a great thread, by the way......................I know it's off topic, but I fucking love you guys and gals and how fascinating and diverse you all are!!!!! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:24:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE57E3BF3B; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:24:05 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <00a901c7e62d$713abc60$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070824122405.282350@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070824084327.239290@gmx.net> <00a901c7e62d$713abc60$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 demo songs & how to access them? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19A031OyOZAnyAL4NhhngDVBZyvV7F8O+4zl+Jhqz QbzqXfMsNjXnNRy+cqGSW7Eda6apYrcuyHfQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 0vX7cgAkRkkNd91hiGVqf95udWkvKNPC Resent-Message-ID: <61e4rB.A.6NF.n3szGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris yes, the Edirol M10-MX mixer is really great & useful. (thanks for the hint). The size is indeed really small. In fact, my only compaint would be that it has too many inputs/outputs (even digital out...). Basically, it cost me almost as much as the RC-2. But I thought, in th long run, I might come handy also as a submixer for my keyboards and went for it. Also, what would have been nice would be panning some panning for mic. But I'm really impressed so far. I'll take a closer look on Edirol products in the future. All the best Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 12:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0B93BF49; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:25:37 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wjLcC1LdwzB178nyYRGgpmSp9QZ7wexjXm1AsfT aXM9Gp4IurSRNyKwA/nfsiQde/QMKxq8IeCg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: dvb7cgYkRkkNd91hiGVqE95udWkvKJPN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody ok, so here are my first impressions of the Boss RC-2 loop pedal. Since I also have the RC-50, this is especially with a comparison in mind. First of all, I think this little thing looks great, seems robust and has a compact size. I'm really impressed how much functionality they were able to put into such a little pedal. With basically just 1-2 knobs and an enter button, you can pretty much do everything. Very easy to perform basic functions blind-folded. I have to decide if I want to use it as a floor pedal or have it on the table (pity you cannot use REC/PLAY/OVERDUB via external footpedal..). The sound is great=clean. I would have preferred a headphone jack to an AUX IN. Would have been great for jamming during holidays. Speaking of, I now have this setup, with the next holidays in mind, completely battery-driven: SM58 Dynamic Mic -> Edirol M10-MX Mixer -> Boss RC-2 -> Roland Micro-Cube mini-Amp It really works great and you have a light&mobile setup. (Throw in a battery-driven multi-effect pedal like the Zoom G2, if you want). Would also be nice to connect a guitar to the Edirol mixer additionally. I don't know if it takes Hi-Z input, though. In that case you could connect the mixer to the RC-2 AUX IN input and the guitar directly the RC-2, I guess. Anyway, let's get back to the pedal: As always the Guide with ryhthm tracks is competely useless for my purposes, so I skip that. Too bad that, unlike the RC-50, they just have two 3/4 patterns. Were they thinking that guitarists are somewhat limited rhythmically?? ;-)) As a surprise, two thinks work MUCH MUCH better than on the RC-50: - Tap tempo (change tempo) - Shift Patch (next loop) Unlike the RC-50, the RC-2 sounds quite decent when slowing down/shifting up the tempo. Nice!! Also, switching to the next loop works really great & smooth. On the RC-50, switching to the next Patch (not Phrase in Single Mode) always has a little gap of silence in-between (to be fair: haven't tried it with the new software update, though). Even better: When playing i.e. loop2 on the RC-2, you can turn the knob to i.e. loop7 and it will start playing loop7 smoothly at the end of loop2. I can think of great thinks you can do with this. Then again, it REALLY REALLY is a shame that the RC-2/RC-50 has to stop playing to WRITE a loop. (why? i.e. the Repeater can do without, as far as I know!). Let's take a closer look at the Useability: The one-pedal concept really works better than I have thought: - First press= Record, Second press= Play, Third press= Overdub, Fourth press= Play again... - Keep pressed >2 seconds= Undo, Keep pressed again=Redo - Double click (like my mouse button ;-)=Stop Especially the UNDO/REDO is a great feature, you can use like this: 1. Setup your basic loop 2. Go to Overdub and add several layers (i.e. for Chorus) 3. Undo to get back to basic loop (you have to time the Undo, though!) 4. Redo to get to Chorus again... Only thing I really missed was the Replace (instead of Overdub) function in the RC-50. The only irritating thing: if you accidentally want to switch between Play/Overdub too fast, the loop will stop. I have also tried out the external foot pedal: - External Pedal 1: Stop/Tap Tempo - External Pedal 2: Shift up Loop (next loop) For me personally, the footswitches were not of much use. I would have preferred a different setup. If you have problems with the "double-click" for stopping, the footpedal might be good for you (I have no problems with it). It would be REALLY REALLY nice if adding a footpedal would deactivate the "double-click" feature on the original pedal. If you want to prepare your tracks (Intro,Verse, Bridge, Chorus....) and shift through them, the 2nd external pedal might work for you. I personally prefer using the Loop Knob, because I can go forth and also back between loops (i.e. verse->chorus->verse...). So, overall. My impression has been VERY VERY positive. Having 11 loops you can record with PLENTY of looping time is really great. Roland has implemented also a useful tap tempo in the RC-2. Additionally, battery-option is very useful for me. For my purposes, I would personally prefer it over the RC-20XL. RC-50 is a completely different beast (stereo, three parallel loops, basic midi, replace function...). Unlike a lot of delay effects out there, the RC-2 has a really looong loop lengths (16min) available. I would definitely recommend the RC-2 as a first looper (keep in mind you need to lift the signal if you use a Mic). It really sounds great (transparent) and is a useful, comapact, basic looper. Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:01:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7773BF4F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c7e657$4bffb160$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:01:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:01:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a very good review Buzap. Thank you. I learned things about the unit I didn't even know. :) One thing I wish they had done was make it so that you can record on loop1, press the external footswtich, and have it switch to recording to loop2, etc. That would have been good for real time looping of A/B parts. (Like Next Loop on Mobius or EDP). But as they design it, you have to prerecord your loops to switch from one loop to another and play them. Or wouldn't it have been really cool if they allowed you to sync several RC-2 pedals!! You could loop all you want on pedal 1, and then loop an exted part on pedal 2, like multiply. One day, it seems they might make a pedal looper the size of the RC-2 with the functionality of the RC-50, most features controllable via MIDI or external pedals, or computer intereface. Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version of the Muse Receptor. Now that would be nice! Sorry, I'm just dreaming, with not enough coffee in my bloodstream this morning. K- ----- Original Message ----- > Hi everybody > > ok, so here are my first impressions of the Boss RC-2 loop pedal. Since I > also have the RC-50, this is especially with a comparison in mind. > > First of all, I think this little thing looks great, seems robust and has > a compact size. > I'm really impressed how much functionality they were able to put into > such a little pedal. With basically just 1-2 knobs and an enter button, > you can pretty much do everything. Very easy to perform basic functions > blind-folded. I have to decide if I want to use it as a floor pedal or > have it on the table (pity you cannot use REC/PLAY/OVERDUB via external > footpedal..). > > The sound is great=clean. I would have preferred a headphone jack to an > AUX IN. Would have been great for jamming during holidays. Speaking of, I > now have this setup, with the next holidays in mind, completely > battery-driven: > SM58 Dynamic Mic > -> Edirol M10-MX Mixer > -> Boss RC-2 > -> Roland Micro-Cube mini-Amp > It really works great and you have a light&mobile setup. > (Throw in a battery-driven multi-effect pedal like the Zoom G2, if you > want). > Would also be nice to connect a guitar to the Edirol mixer additionally. I > don't know if it takes Hi-Z input, though. In that case you could connect > the mixer to the RC-2 AUX IN input and the guitar directly the RC-2, I > guess. > > Anyway, let's get back to the pedal: > As always the Guide with ryhthm tracks is competely useless for my > purposes, so I skip that. Too bad that, unlike the RC-50, they just have > two 3/4 patterns. Were they thinking that guitarists are somewhat limited > rhythmically?? ;-)) > > As a surprise, two thinks work MUCH MUCH better than on the RC-50: > - Tap tempo (change tempo) > - Shift Patch (next loop) > Unlike the RC-50, the RC-2 sounds quite decent when slowing down/shifting > up the tempo. Nice!! > Also, switching to the next loop works really great & smooth. On the > RC-50, switching to the next Patch (not Phrase in Single Mode) always has > a little gap of silence in-between (to be fair: haven't tried it with the > new software update, though). > Even better: > When playing i.e. loop2 on the RC-2, you can turn the knob to i.e. loop7 > and it will start playing loop7 smoothly at the end of loop2. I can think > of great thinks you can do with this. Then again, it REALLY REALLY is a > shame that the RC-2/RC-50 has to stop playing to WRITE a loop. (why? i.e. > the Repeater can do without, as far as I know!). > > Let's take a closer look at the Useability: > The one-pedal concept really works better than I have thought: > - First press= Record, Second press= Play, Third press= Overdub, Fourth > press= Play again... > - Keep pressed >2 seconds= Undo, Keep pressed again=Redo > - Double click (like my mouse button ;-)=Stop > Especially the UNDO/REDO is a great feature, you can use like this: > 1. Setup your basic loop > 2. Go to Overdub and add several layers (i.e. for Chorus) > 3. Undo to get back to basic loop (you have to time the Undo, though!) > 4. Redo to get to Chorus again... > Only thing I really missed was the Replace (instead of Overdub) function > in the RC-50. > The only irritating thing: if you accidentally want to switch between > Play/Overdub too fast, the loop will stop. > > I have also tried out the external foot pedal: > - External Pedal 1: Stop/Tap Tempo > - External Pedal 2: Shift up Loop (next loop) > For me personally, the footswitches were not of much use. I would have > preferred a different setup. If you have problems with the "double-click" > for stopping, the footpedal might be good for you (I have no problems with > it). It would be REALLY REALLY nice if adding a footpedal would deactivate > the "double-click" feature on the original pedal. > If you want to prepare your tracks (Intro,Verse, Bridge, Chorus....) and > shift through them, the 2nd external pedal might work for you. I > personally prefer using the Loop Knob, because I can go forth and also > back between loops (i.e. verse->chorus->verse...). > > > So, overall. My impression has been VERY VERY positive. Having 11 loops > you can record with PLENTY of looping time is really great. Roland has > implemented also a useful tap tempo in the RC-2. Additionally, > battery-option is very useful for me. > For my purposes, I would personally prefer it over the RC-20XL. RC-50 is a > completely different beast (stereo, three parallel loops, basic midi, > replace function...). Unlike a lot of delay effects out there, the RC-2 > has a really looong loop lengths (16min) available. > > I would definitely recommend the RC-2 as a first looper (keep in mind you > need to lift the signal if you use a Mic). It really sounds great > (transparent) and is a useful, comapact, basic looper. > > > Buzap > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D5F3BF44; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:46:56 +0000 Message-Id: <082420071446.13232.46CEEF6000080682000033B02216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13232_1187966816_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13232_1187966816_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahh, the Axon MkII Manual is brilliant. I have a few more pages to go. 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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13232_1187966816_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13232_1187966816_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B80643BF56; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:53:20 +0000 Message-Id: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:53:22 +0000 (UTC) "Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version of the Muse Receptor. Now that would be nice! Sorry, I'm just dreaming, with not enough coffee in my bloodstream this morning." Give it 5 years. I would bet this is the future of high end effects. It would make manufacuring much easier. Hmm. Anyone want to go into business? MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 14:59:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1F423BF4F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:59:34 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <00da01c7e657$4bffb160$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20070824145934.321810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> <00da01c7e657$4bffb160$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19KxXsHraZKBcgiGmlqPyxILSnFnh9UJ/159DaweT 0zG/rveMkHOEcbWk/HR5XO8HIWoXsBg7kiig== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: ZcX8d4FVIydmBYx+j2Zrk9VSa2FkZtUx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:59:36 +0000 (UTC) HI Kris >One thing I wish they had done was make it so that > you can record on loop1, press the external footswtich, and have it switch to recording to loop2, etc. That would have been good for real time > looping of A/B parts. (Like Next Loop on Mobius or EDP). But as they design it, Yes, it was very _close_ to it - yet missed the goal. > have to prerecord your loops to switch from one loop to another and play > them. Or wouldn't it have been really cool if they allowed you to sync > several RC-2 pedals!! You could loop all you want on pedal 1, and then > loop > an exted part on pedal 2, like multiply. That's what I'm doing with the RC-50. I'm short-circuiting the AUX-OUT to AUX-IN. When I want to mix-down/combine etc. two loops, I switch them from MAIN to AUX output (don't do both together, gives you fuzzy signal) and then do a Replace (or Record on fresh loop). Yes, I'm also dreaming: Just a simple guitar pedal with a USB + MIDI interface. And the rest is up to your fantasy.... Have a nice week-end Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:16:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD27E3BF1A; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dRzHLK3/GMgp9mQupDHdzzu57s+I0gml3PR8c6pv6HsMlp/5cnEd5EWDk8YU60WPaoW1E6BgAdCWatlba21H8/DB5j7WuCiRdAXLlc3DZegirExY0Vm8srRjQ89j3+uniw+ye5nBWEHtuuUvrdcwE9etwl4X9NLPtGK0K1+uSO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bhV/xW05YwCtiydI8YtUk6J+0glkSpW+8n+PfRjwUNqhCnOajzwJp13BTXyCSMM/19o3b8owndhmQWtxtg95k6GPW3vBWtFeStEs3/VS2FJJtqS6UV/0xYjT1vgYik2D4tlz4Q3S9XA54kQXpbXxdUr9jabYMINDnpUglHqMOCo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <009301c7e4e1$ca150c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <009301c7e4e1$ca150c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C70CB7F-8F11-428F-BF78-4C944EA5B8E5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:16:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2Urd4C.A.3kG.oZvzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > Michael Swanwick, Stations of the Tide (incredible stuff, > mindblowingly > creative SF I agree, definitely great stuff. Nice to see so many sci fi readers. I have been re-reading the Galactic Center series by Gregory Benford. I recommend starting with book 3 - Great Sky River - the books get progressively wonderfully weird from there. Then go back and read the first 2 books as prequels. Wheelers by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen Also Echo Burning, one of the Jack Reacher novels by Lee Child. Sort of offbeat procedural mystery thrillers that read quickly, excellent for summer and airports. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:20:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8EB3BF13; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:20:26 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20.o.t.=A0=20READING?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc8.188d8d5a.3400513a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:20:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cc8.188d8d5a.3400513a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/24/07 6:17:30 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > This is a great thread, by the way......................I know it's off > topic, but I fucking love you guys and gals and how fascinating and diverse > you all are!!!!! > > rickeeee.....i agree, just wanted to say it was your sweetie chris that suggested CLOUD ATLAS to me.....hope she has another great suggestion in oct!.....and a great big THNAKS to everyone for all of the great titles, i'll keep my libaray bz for a good while.....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cc8.188d8d5a.3400513a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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This is a great threa= d, by the way......................I know it's off
topic, but I fucking love you guys and gals and how fascinating and diverse<= BR> you all are!!!!!



rickeeee.....i agree, just wanted to say it was your sweetie chris that s= uggested CLOUD ATLAS to me.....hope she has another great suggestion in oct!= .....and a great big THNAKS to everyone for all of the great titles, i'll ke= ep my libaray bz for a good while.....m



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cc8.188d8d5a.3400513a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B01B3BF4D; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: .o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:22:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:22:12 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:17 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: > This book has been so enjoyable and informative about the > fascinating history of the rise of the personal computer that > I'm reading just a little bit a night to really soak it in. > > Markoff, John. > What the Doormouse Said: > How the 60s Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer. Speaking of "60s Counterculture" (and a bit of history previous to it), for those who may be interested, a *very* interesting and very detailed book is: Acid Dreams, The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, The Sixties, and Beyond by Martin A. Lee & Bruce Shlain, with an introduction by Andrei Codrescu One of the most fascinating (and sometimes very disturbing) books I have ever read. It tells both the Light and Dark sides of the whole story, and it reveals more than ya may ever want to know about Dr. Hoffman's "problem child". (his words) :-) I just about read it non-stop, cover to cover. -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:45:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606F53BF4F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:44:51 EDT Subject: late gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb2.18ad9f65.340056f3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cb2.18ad9f65.340056f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm playing tonite at FARMHOUSE COFFEE.....out in the south hills of pittsburgh, i do not know the address nor the phone #, never been there, SORRY, call me for directions,.....right!.....i'm playing with the sax player who said my air synth was nothing but a gimick, can you believe it?.....i was shocked that he called me, the last time i played out was with him and a drummer and later on a tuba player.....i was so confused by their behavior that i didn't pick up an instrument for two months after.....so surprise surprise, a sax/guitar looper duet.....i put together a nice little kit.....guitar-->sans amp gt-2--> ineko-->rang-->ineko-->small vox amp, sweet one tripper and it will force me to behavesomewhat.....no boops and beeps going between speakers.....famous last words.....so if you're in pittsburgh and do not want to see the YARDBIRDS (who the heck is playing in this reincarnation) come not only to hear but see the totally EXCITING sit dowm looping styles of the klobuchar and friends?.....see ya in the BIG ROOM!.....:).....michael p.s. i'm melting, it's so hot that i may fry my puter with all the water dripping off me!.....go north young man go north! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cb2.18ad9f65.340056f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm playing tonite at FARMHOUSE COFFEE.= ....out in the south hills of pittsburgh, i do not know the address nor the=20= phone #, never been there, SORRY, call me for directions,.....right!.....i'm= playing with the sax player who said my air synth was nothing but a gimick,= can you believe it?.....i was shocked that he called me, the last time i pl= ayed out was with him and a drummer and later on a tuba player.....i was so=20= confused by their behavior that i didn't pick up an instrument for two month= s after.....so surprise surprise, a sax/guitar looper duet.....i put togethe= r a nice little kit.....guitar-->sans amp gt-2-->ineko-->rang-->= ineko-->small vox amp, sweet one tripper and it will force me to behaveso= mewhat.....no boops and beeps going between speakers.....famous last words..= ...so if you're in pittsburgh and do not want to see the YARDBIRDS (who the=20= heck is playing in this reincarnation) come not only to hear but see the tot= ally EXCITING sit dowm looping styles of the klobuchar and friends?.....see=20= ya in the BIG ROOM!.....:).....michael
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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cb2.18ad9f65.340056f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:49:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ADE03BF20; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NZ6xTQ+sl5gu8mIIG0YTDWLuV8enn+WLIEYRWuMhUXz3MKSxVJiaHMT2TJ8yGseP/CqF1cZpcj73WhAIMxBPuV9JUtY2tofQ2r3DcdCZEyVYkFwHg9qydzOwFW41/FINSAxqlxjryGnm5P+5D5WRwy0OqIn+Ek/lIX7dEfffRPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gC/1ds7XO9MDgx1blEnc3THa8yBfYfUTpzSkBar5KQrJ+6CVYsSz8tdNCSDMXGJXQsaeGKl6aoWgNMlqCaZUeaBycRxj4aVfiypcmS/8g7d9M4HDFM/7CJeINwmcBPbrACxBTHvmRxB8dCYfyHZn24rALd4Oh3W1l3DwWxReL+A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:49:45 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-WWvSD.A.1M.c4vzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Didn't they already do VST in a rack-mountable box (more than once I think)? My recollection was that most PC-based folks thought the tradeoff in rackability wasn't worth the price (about $2K as I recall) for a computer that wouldn't do anything but serve as a VST host. TH On 8/24/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > "Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version of > the Muse Receptor. Now that would be nice! Sorry, I'm just dreaming, with > not enough coffee in my bloodstream this morning." > > Give it 5 years. I would bet this is the future of high end effects. It would make manufacuring much easier. > Hmm. Anyone want to go into business? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 15:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AF6D3BF62; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:59:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:59:25 +0000 (UTC) > "Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version > of > the Muse Receptor. Now that would be nice! Sorry, I'm just dreaming, with > not enough coffee in my bloodstream this morning." > > Give it 5 years. I would bet this is the future of high end effects. It > would make manufacuring much easier. > Hmm. Anyone want to go into business? You could do very well. I bet someone someone is one it already. Muse would be smart to, but likely it will be Boss. It will basically require a cheap computer inside a pedal (could be done for ~$600 retail right now). Speaking of which, I heard of some folks runnding PD (sort of a free version of Max/MSP, but with variations, etc) on hand held PC...very interesting. Is anyone making a VST host that will run on a hand-helde, like my HP iPaq, etc. This is my other dream...walking into a gig with my hand held computer and a MIDI controller. Man, I love evolving technology. We're gonna get there. Kris > > MFC > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 16:22:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B073BF12; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010901c7e66a$f5be9be0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:22:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8_EnGB.A.6uB.DXwzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:22:27 +0000 (UTC) yes, the Muse Receptor. But it doesn't run all VST...mostly ones you have to pay for, not free. I think it is well worth the trade-off, if I was still into rack mount gear. I can dump $10,000 on the Receptor and still have a 2-space system....no flimsy laptop, just a VST hosting machine. That vs. five 20 space racks is quite a payoff. Plus you get the decent IO interface...no purchaing another audio interface for you computer, and so on. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Didn't they already do VST in a rack-mountable box (more than once I > think)? My recollection was that most PC-based folks thought the > tradeoff in rackability wasn't worth the price (about $2K as I recall) > for a computer that wouldn't do anything but serve as a VST host. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net > wrote: >> "Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version >> of >> the Muse Receptor. Now that would be nice! Sorry, I'm just dreaming, >> with >> not enough coffee in my bloodstream this morning." >> >> Give it 5 years. I would bet this is the future of high end effects. It >> would make manufacuring much easier. >> Hmm. Anyone want to go into business? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 16:47:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06543BF33; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c7e66e$667a4a70$336edf50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfmZmdzW2nv7j7eSVK/VjCb+HXQawAB7c8Q Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+dObJ8ib3nlfHJs4eYi35r/HfSxWROKcaN4dh cffjs0LhFh27vQVtDrED9pQ0+dmlAahQprpd/EnXmSPXUzHOhL GOXv22BAtFboVPVSUC8cmFCZeidxiqKP0Gv1XD5iRA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:47:08 +0000 (UTC) On the RC-2, after you double click to stop, to then erase the loop, you have to press and hold the pedal. The problem is that the loop starts playing again for 2 seconds while you hold the pedal down. Is there a way to delete it without hearing it for those 2 seconds? Dave Eichenberger: http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:12:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF833BF1A; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070824131224.ENMSC.44899.root@fepweb10> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:12:24 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: late gig spam Cc: Nemoguitt@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Michael, Break a pick man!!! 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Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:=20 > i'm playing tonite at FARMHOUSE COFFEE.....out in the south hills of=20 > pittsburgh, i do not know the address nor the phone #, never been there, = SORRY, call=20 > me for directions,.....right!.....i'm playing with the sax player who sai= d my=20 > air synth was nothing but a gimick, can you believe it?.....i was shocked= that=20 > he called me, the last time i played out was with him and a drummer and l= ater=20 > on a tuba player.....i was so confused by their behavior that i didn't pi= ck up=20 > an instrument for two months after.....so surprise surprise, a sax/guitar= =20 > looper duet.....i put together a nice little kit.....guitar-->sans amp gt= -2--> > ineko-->rang-->ineko-->small vox amp, sweet one tripper and it will force= me to=20 > behavesomewhat.....no boops and beeps going between speakers.....famous l= ast=20 > words.....so if you're in pittsburgh and do not want to see the YARDBIRDS= (who=20 > the heck is playing in this reincarnation) come not only to hear but see = the=20 > totally EXCITING sit dowm looping styles of the klobuchar and friends?...= ..see=20 > ya in the BIG ROOM!.....:).....michael > p.s. i'm melting, it's so hot that i may fry my puter with all the water= =20 > dripping off me!.....go north young man go north! >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at=20 > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:18:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF083BF3E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012301c7e672$d449e020$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <000601c7e66e$667a4a70$336edf50$@com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:18:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8TdMZB.A.12D.4LxzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Exactly!!! Annoying. I guess this is where having the external switch comes into play? I thini it fixes it. ----- Original Message ----- 50 > On the RC-2, after you double click to stop, to then erase the loop, you > have to press and hold the pedal. The problem is that the loop starts > playing again for 2 seconds while you hold the pedal down. Is there a way > to > delete it without hearing it for those 2 seconds? > > Dave Eichenberger: > http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:27:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 707A83BF3E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BMNCEhO2TsFuM5ZztKD8pxIiRPzQFkT563kmD7tp8IufT3pYNSyRj1POWkxafOTsI6f43zlKGXguMeVTg1PSx4SUBIilse8S60uOsUPXF8A5aj6Yob5DkhBZ671iJNOsjIvIJda3mRBWh72gjVHDFeJDmFeCdFleByoeDeJP9/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lEs2eEBw/0gb+GivAlKMuV0bgMIBzOhlq4CdZpHMm2MaBVUmFAexK0vI6V7QaOnwYEq6gqCTdr7q2ysGJHMOREV6Dal/Td3hnG1jLLxWj/AhuweLbblyk7UWwkjKZYfjKGz58ZENseCq2L0vrkXgFAG/c8BPsblh8cT1cd3gHxs= Message-ID: <46CE6E5C.8020609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:36:28 +0800 From: Joey Cagle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20070121 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DigiTech JamMan for sell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:27:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm selling my DigiTech JamMan Looper, with the FS3X tswitch. It's in really good condition. It has some velcro on the bottom of the looper that was put on there to attach to a pedal board. Shouldn't make a difference, though. On top of that, I'm throwing in a 512 megabyte CompactFlash card. I'm asking $300.00 (If you bought a new one, you'd pay that much and still wouldn't get the FS3X switch, and it would normally only come witha 128 megabyte CompactFlash card) I need to sell this quickly though. If you feel it's too expensive, make an offer! I accept paypal. If you're not in the Raleigh, NC area, abotu $10.00 for shipping should handle it. Joey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC70F3BF41; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:29:07 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: .o.t. READING In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Rev Fever wrote: More on American 1960s countercultural reading: In addition to Rick Walker's recommendation of _What the Dormouse Said_ and the Rev's recommendation of _Acid Dreams_ (I also thought _Dreams_ was great), I would mention _Turn Off Your Mind: The Mystic Sixties and the Dark Side of the Age of Aquarius_ by Gary Lachman, who's been writing after being possibly better known as a founding member of the 80s group Blondie. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 17:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC8D3BEF5; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xx9eenh23vgWNiETzlrRx1YTyWOwFL84ogbvVM/ZppDSZvnl3FpMCiQ48JbqYLNogH2uiC6VbCII83SQzg7pILwXtnUyafdLTfaYDsPsEbBhKlbQ/S4SlYBWHAK2+ml9+FCglW5/Vm0ynoe3wZNYAVSFo7Vshkc0KIOXqwOHmLI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NvmzFisHnI3dFzuXIUq/jFoiF5/iHXf65DGuBb62HH8blz7i+J//7AgiS24MTBLfoF6ze/OI/n+qZ0aXpl1q1OWyuAOKnYXAJFDnr4ev15bHpp0/iTBQsH4POp/wPwWhZHRbafETwBhqJXDHNZP7I14JsNAblJj7+pZ3S3KaMGw= In-Reply-To: <20070824131224.ENMSC.44899.root@fepweb10> References: <20070824131224.ENMSC.44899.root@fepweb10> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: late gig spam Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:42:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:42:33 +0000 (UTC) > ---- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> i'm playing tonite at FARMHOUSE COFFEE.... Go for it! Wish I was there to listen in over a Cafe Latte. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:32:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1A03BF48; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mFUddCZ/ctAaEckcVwTm2cr/H6izBBlz85u5Ol1oiyCX719xPJKPMzswH68ZOyCvntUJ+mK+fdYs2j14jif51tRZyP0MQfser1XD12FVz9ZtkxSbQZA2gNYhikXy5zmp5+o9VzvQKWgUTuEuZeeGrTVIgRtwjhhqHNBAQbemHvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G54Y252x1T2k49qOEPWZ8RjBabSK5x00HAaQAKV/axrvZJKgY7PKYs5PFpjJ99M6w6j2h9j2ptrBMFS/weTDAUhFVZgjplSvjlwjPWgHZez91R9wQx2Bb4eooHX5+2XRjUksV6OOoSBrjBo+3cMR9ULJRepstbTkVXhSBifWmWo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:32:01 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: eh 2880 midi capabilities? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11378_7475913.1187980321255" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11378_7475913.1187980321255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi friends, just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have MIDI I/O. thanks in advance, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_11378_7475913.1187980321255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi friends,

just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's
possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc
on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have
MIDI I/O.

thanks in advance,

raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_11378_7475913.1187980321255-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B22B3BF1C; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:36:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfmaN9CtW24AIjJSPe5mjQPdI5BVgAFFT0w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D270602af0000046c.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:36:38 +0000 (UTC) The microprocessor companies are working on "System on a Chip" for low cost, mobile devices. Probably only a couple of years before it could be used for ultramobile or small VST boxes :-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 > "Hey, about VST in a box? It would be like a single effect pedal version > of the Muse Receptor. .... > Give it 5 years. ... You could do very well. I bet someone someone is one it already. Muse would be smart to, but likely it will be Boss. It will basically require a cheap computer inside a pedal (could be done for ~$600 retail right now). .....Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B146E3BF5C; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rvtTufad1Ah1+g6Ldd55qiteiybm8tW0uSnPRkYNeTcB2O19BWNuxksokFBpj7WoluOVJR0fs+dTrpADdA7R/kU6xwZbA//Z9nxhdNuBkZWIV8EC5eOIFnHdRcojwMOzqtIBSRQboEqCJHwNQy+E0ba+2eER0ypjTwuQlinX9Ng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uYTE3i2Gcic+nwshMl6znrUDi5/b1MJzgc58AOdVKYYFKx1WUY96M2b96/8DhTw4I9wgb3Ht2qw5gpp7Nsk6xwXnsgRUZRCc6jJ5OoHOlkLbntbKQFXpwW2UrMe1B8kmOCSRk8mDBr+DfksOkYQO2RqLi9lq5oal+k+BRa3Md9A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:40:06 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) I don't see the main obstacle being the processor, but rather the screen and input device (keyboard/mouse replacement). Most VST stuff is designed to have a big colorful UI on a computer screen and have the parameters tweaked with keyboard/mouse commands. Displays are pricey and cumbersome, so I'd think it's hard to beat the price/convenience of a laptop for that sort of thing. TH On 8/24/07, Qua Veda wrote: > The microprocessor companies are working on "System on a Chip" for low cost, > mobile devices. Probably only a couple of years before it could be used for > ultramobile or small VST boxes :-) > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:44:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854703BF69; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PfldJtXNvEgby4VdKSu7aSnr+hQ5rYuQW7GyHaZZmBD/fe4J4GjDfpzucrpUkqw2wbXSU8nWq9FbdIAZeaxGJGZPUvoml9I1G/pVWMtQpHuSOsfN1mNMgzWZPXv4cIhU2Evd2Jr4cu3dSoA8GohhANFGbTbrJFw7KRE/zf/NQM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iNCcF+98F1W7CjV6m8nvYBcNVANqM/uuF8r7acjt0elJj7bdgcrj9U6EvRpGGK4lr8kE0/jSt8/0t6h0h1tvE6+rvG+PYAp1ED0j1DKcIjCl8R+FKLrZuCsit4S7Lrwi/BYSwbtLO3KHtseEeZy7gHcI/3mPGIVmpe4NfeF8yy8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:44:29 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: .o.t. READING In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54201_31103112.1187981069671" References: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:44:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54201_31103112.1187981069671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And don't forget "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe. Quite entertaining. Tony On 8/24/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Rev Fever wrote: > > More on American 1960s countercultural reading: > > In addition to Rick Walker's recommendation of _What the Dormouse Said_ > and the Rev's recommendation of _Acid Dreams_ (I also thought _Dreams_ > was great), I would mention _Turn Off Your Mind: The Mystic Sixties and > the Dark Side of the Age of Aquarius_ by Gary Lachman, who's been writing > after being possibly better known as a founding member of the 80s group > Blondie. > > best, > Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_54201_31103112.1187981069671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline And don't forget "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe.  Quite entertaining.

Tony

On 8/24/07, burnett@pobox.com <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Rev Fever wrote:

More on American 1960s countercultural reading:

In addition to Rick Walker's recommendation of _What the Dormouse Said_
and the Rev's recommendation of _Acid Dreams_ (I also thought _Dreams_
was great), I would mention _Turn Off Your Mind: The Mystic Sixties and
the Dark Side of the Age of Aquarius_ by Gary Lachman, who's been writing
after being possibly better known as a founding member of the 80s group
Blondie.

best,
Steve Burnett  Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/




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Tony ------=_Part_54201_31103112.1187981069671-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:47:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A61DD3BF6F; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dddTXu6Rq/il8Mhv0PUmEJacnh9HM0rO6GMmkUxLY3j8gE/c5Q8QHQEH8F3gPSzOUn6c0D0y1nlAo6wN4Md0TzRZJErkUkNaYIxqImjKFHLP/6dqabvOHbeH/b5UzPIlLSWzAka6gLl2uu9V72OLv6KiibjwVUpb3ZbeMQmFKCY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XAAbXjjgFvHnPbF1VLQiIG27r/ZTuDhFrVe0KLF+WD1LzA/hUFKhCVi1Eqf+fbTDecVPda4/Z1c6HqqFMPD13oE+a4ScSqBLgC2f0I1IcxaL1K/HyDS67QzopFAvztNhH3aLHzhijef1d93WwVUdrCV+nuFpYb+gu/Snn/MkN1Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:47:43 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <4ZI_5B.A.rH.SfyzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Nope. That MIDI port is mostly for decoration. Well, and sync. You need the footswitch remote to do those things. I'm selling mine pretty soon, FWIW. It's a really cool and strange four track recorder. But I need "next loop" and it doesn't do that. On 8/24/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi friends, > > just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's > possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc > on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have > MIDI I/O. > > thanks in advance, > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7623BF0B; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c7e67f$860220f0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <03fe01c7e545$40bd9960$47b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00ee01c7e57d$3cb906a0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:49:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7E690.484B6C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX182zxG6E4UaDtOzQUP4zaMjfXOSLjbQTXTIwxX LwTn460GXVLPGEMHKRio7UGlR5OrzVcSm1xIjHq70J4F6ckthH 0BWYSt1K0JQcIlbRLHI/HI72w801gXO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:49:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7E690.484B6C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THE TIME TRAVELLER'S WIFE!!! GREAT BOOK!!! LOVED IT!!! WILL READ IT AGIN... tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: RE: o.t. READING The Happiness Myth, by Jennifer Michael Hecht. Non-fiction. A = philosopher/historian deconstructs happiness and notices the glaring = lack of eternal truths and preponderance of fad ideas. This woman really = does think outside the box. Fascinating, and maybe in some ways = life-changing. =20 Nothing great in fiction lately - every suspense-ish book I pick up = for light reading is either a riff on the Da Vinci Code (secret sects, = ancient mysteries, weird creeps lurking in medieval church basements) or = involves a secret cabal of right-wing radicals inside the US govt. who = want to destroy the Muslim world. These are the "bad guys", but the = author clearly sympathizes. Yuck. (I'm not kidding - two books in a row = like this, include the most recent from Nelson DeMille, who I thought = more of than this). =20 However, I will reiterate something I put up here about a year ago - = best fiction I've read in the last 5 years: The Time-Traveler's Wife. = More an epic romance than science-fiction, it nonetheless offers a = different perspective on the central theme of all time-travel books: = predestination vs. free will. The twist: the protagonist doesn't build a = time machine; instead, time travel happens to him suddenly, randomly, = against his will. =20 Thanks for all the recommendations, folks. I'm looking forward to = checking out a few of them. =20 Warren =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7E690.484B6C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
THE TIME TRAVELLER'S = WIFE!!!
GREAT BOOK!!! LOVED IT!!!
WILL READ IT AGIN...
 
tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 = 2:00=20 PM
Subject: RE: o.t. READING

The=20 Happiness Myth, by = Jennifer Michael=20 Hecht. Non-fiction. A philosopher/historian deconstructs happiness and = notices=20 the glaring lack of eternal truths and preponderance of fad ideas. = This woman=20 really does think outside the box. Fascinating, and maybe in some ways = life-changing.

 

Nothing = great in=20 fiction lately =96 every suspense-ish book I pick up for light reading = is either=20 a riff on the Da Vinci Code (secret sects, ancient mysteries, weird = creeps=20 lurking in medieval church basements) or involves a secret cabal of = right-wing=20 radicals inside the US govt. who want to destroy the Muslim world. = These are=20 the =93bad guys=94, but the author clearly sympathizes. Yuck. (I=92m = not kidding =96=20 two books in a row like this, include the most recent from Nelson = DeMille, who=20 I thought more of than this).

 

However, I = will=20 reiterate something I put up here about a year ago =96 best fiction = I=92ve read in=20 the last 5 years: The = Time-Traveler=92s=20 Wife. More an epic romance than science-fiction, it = nonetheless=20 offers a different perspective on the central theme of all time-travel = books:=20 predestination vs. free will. The twist: the protagonist doesn=92t = build a time=20 machine; instead, time travel happens to him suddenly, randomly, = against his=20 will.

 

Thanks for = all the=20 recommendations, folks. I=92m looking forward to checking out a few of = them.

 

Warren

 

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7E690.484B6C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:49:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FD13BF78; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ClxaIlZhEY0FZDlOD63GzKXOuWCo4Vw0HI9aDIiGth+Ysjuzkvq5MpRKgp+VazLP9xeqzJG7mBvXCMnuIFvBOF372J1En5rUtgDUQslMgOfSdqgDh9yenZD1JSdx6Zr90w2RjtjEDDboelrOY0hG0Orcjs/Mvfv/JRhKkF7iw/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JkFrxs028muIIXgYtxClZamlseNfYg5/CKDWs1gFhGlubrth8wfUYQ0AHLPtusH2miA00vJu0hd1gcGbxAyIoRfGvVqummZL4IwDImv3u7e9dkLElQPcNyyuBF/AE5I/HQSNnJBVQD9mh2wrQ2g7Fllnb6ieYwDDpLl9x8y2b+c= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:49:56 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it would store in flash. Or presets. On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I don't see the main obstacle being the processor, but rather the > screen and input device (keyboard/mouse replacement). Most VST stuff > is designed to have a big colorful UI on a computer screen and have > the parameters tweaked with keyboard/mouse commands. Displays are > pricey and cumbersome, so I'd think it's hard to beat the > price/convenience of a laptop for that sort of thing. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > The microprocessor companies are working on "System on a Chip" for low cost, > > mobile devices. Probably only a couple of years before it could be used for > > ultramobile or small VST boxes :-) > > -Qua > > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365C53BF1C; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015b01c7e680$e5a7f2e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:59:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <2Ye_MD.A.K3.RqyzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. And I was thinking of fairly basic VST effects, no monsters like Antares Filter, etc. Things like some of the simple but utterly tone mangling effects from Pluggo, Toy Bear, PSP, etc. Heck, we could make the pedal just a bit wider than the orginary stomp box and cram 10 small nobs on it with a save preset feature...voillla! Imagine loading your favorite vst delay or chorus on the pedal, and then programming which parameters you want the pedal nobs to control. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 > Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the > handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it > would store in flash. Or presets. > > > > > On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> I don't see the main obstacle being the processor, but rather the >> screen and input device (keyboard/mouse replacement). Most VST stuff >> is designed to have a big colorful UI on a computer screen and have >> the parameters tweaked with keyboard/mouse commands. Displays are >> pricey and cumbersome, so I'd think it's hard to beat the >> price/convenience of a laptop for that sort of thing. >> >> TH >> >> On 8/24/07, Qua Veda wrote: >> > The microprocessor companies are working on "System on a Chip" for low >> > cost, >> > mobile devices. Probably only a couple of years before it could be used >> > for >> > ultramobile or small VST boxes :-) >> > -Qua >> > >> >> > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 18:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7592E3BF8E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gLwZlbGPAbTg8LOFo1YKrtU0OqkRl1D+Y4Z3Kri5lzTd1C1BFqW29NTXoa9L3eKjaZ1FxSBJFxAqtGOCMx2pgZLl4yvyheqABG0OchwoVXo1OiCcawy2P2ZigEMulEFiaGPMJmCNWs0HdiM+EBFCUQcDwXZ1bcYtIqVotUXCqgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Uv/7rZpvYA4yqLZbzNkvqENPGSK3ooYlq+cZNlX9fosydlETK34MlwToHrk3Wjg+06lFhqHQpib+Gf6FtiPiKEd/ZrDrT7yVix1UT/qnQdJ5AcUC4wF0SlBksuKOMXegIi9PkXDBFqt1mwhbdYUQIaSykHt7jBWydip2wPzmR1w= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:59:56 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:59:58 +0000 (UTC) And how would you see the results of said tweaking? On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the > handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it > would store in flash. Or presets. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:02:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725963BF8D; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KAoKk3KnTp0UBPbh2wVZXAv+HSkauMttn86ZPZSqnWerAn/aVEYjNylqfX9gDf3dokLl+113n8DpVoIxpZ4SMbMsgWhhVFj8dSMjjeRvCakJa6KwUykYTCoJ97pswiLri0z38TxCg5z3VUjPkvN+hUyCxqDY0/QFuaiaxXMo70c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GYBERawI0FRyX3j9pdpr7OFmnS6pzOfumLy3ZEvEtzgKcSphb53FJfou+XFgVXvCy8+/iLqCrb64Z1+vOcjvrCXhCEulP0Z5Dn5+kDI6pLvtT5WMyG/oShfQ+lJ5c0PAJweg4Gy4luQfFJePWeHglpeN0cb1p3AF2SvSU48hIRU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:01:58 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:00 +0000 (UTC) With your ears. On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > And how would you see the results of said tweaking? > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the > > handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it > > would store in flash. Or presets. > > > > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:04:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563B33BF93; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q1sWNknsqbKFOyVdaDnJOTzG/kSLUYI5v7RUrXm6WSPNctA9idD2ZaZNmchx6PjcJz/DNYJo6zAZcHPWCkhzXEG1bwPAKKEPrTI4q3gG+YO6S7+N+LzkIki4g5rXtDpfzO+jic/kRpAwz0j4M2eu3oJr/cFnncl6bhsB83xPmP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uH1ibd6zP56Q6heg80C/yQ9Uiiv5jq2eUKI+Lkzq88HGhYjsifrJrvn8rOyo+QuTc4Ic4Ty6fcuOtZ4JXlvkJC0sp62CWz8bwunThtZZ4iyEM2cG0z0cHYuTHjypoOU937yMU5Q9VRCbQ8tZuTcp9sdGLel3ABjC66jL9wV+DM0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:04:21 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:04:23 +0000 (UTC) If you see with your ears, then you're in good shape. For those of us who need some visual indication of what parameters we're modifying, what they're currently set to, etc., could be rough sledding. TH On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > With your ears. > > > > On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > And how would you see the results of said tweaking? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:13:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C5F3BF4D; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MHp2KFkxG0k8FlNkZljcKJ22crR1MMLkvdY9CnUF3KsZuUIjYTRHM91/FcOalPvgztcoZNKgOBoejTcCEnKLHoZkioEX1e/mnYcrueyoxz4QmuzUDBscOQ3dZ9gP9/jbYKtkIGoMNsnAQ64lS1Y1XcuqY8DqqxI1kbx1WUB7xbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JdN84O3Igh3mswMTCLGc7Ve+IJh2/QSq+QQmOGGf0B0WQhnpieeOunGgkdpnPHLhOrq0n6guZMjIKuWZuNbt4ijCFGjszwothmFY3y8AY4c0F5QFwSjCap1JD3auVGFYY4yQO003zHMpiNNJhfPJ9E1yca3n8N0PnsV/euPi6XE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:13:21 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <3K6O8B.A.UyB.V3yzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:13:25 +0000 (UTC) I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck with the few patches I used a lot. On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > If you see with your ears, then you're in good shape. > > For those of us who need some visual indication of what parameters > we're modifying, what they're currently set to, etc., could be rough > sledding. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > With your ears. > > > > > > > > On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > And how would you see the results of said tweaking? > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8F23BF62; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46CF313D.50803@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:27:57 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping References: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9FHrY.A.3DC.r7yzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have been having the same issues when starting to experiment my "pc rack". Three years ago I started to check how I could minimize my hardware rack bringing as many as possible utilities in an audio card and a laptop. The two main issues were replacing my two venerable Echoplexes and my Sound Sculpture Switchblade. For a few months I played with many sw loopers and after some severe tests I decided to go with Mobius ( not a great discovery you may say ;-)). Anyway, the most difficult to replicate characters of my setup was the very complex signal routing I was doing with the switchblade and having the chance to control the most of it via midi. I have been testing Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. Usine was interesting but still very raw and complex with no reason, Bidule was showing me the peaks you are getting and Audiomulch seemed the more stable, intuitive and simple. It's two years I am looping with Audiomulch as a Vst host ( where Mobius is hosted), powerful mixer/router/splitter and midi controlled brain. I find the system very stable and light ( I'm on a single Centrino 1.86 Gb with 1 Gb or Ram) so that I am gigging and recording with it. I really suggest you to check Audiomulch, take into consideration we're waiting the 2.0 release in a few weeks/months. Don't give up ! my best, Luca www.unguitar.com midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB > seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior > with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The > cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are > unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond > cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. > But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can > get a faster machine I'll go back. > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations > because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the > glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with > all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic > stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just > wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2482 (20070824) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:21:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405883BF92; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=f9K2JeRHRHoyaSBMTfsK9Z/LpdOgySrwteI2oVbDxPcfUh23rXyDCF4Vxbv0tuDvlJ8hpQzBOheO7cknvYMVBp1fG9Ib0N5pmoti9C16rFK4oJEeun+gqT/lKUEGm76fmsQw/cSd0DpcFw3+7Sh4w6FK8uXeE6PTJLhwf1P/l1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AhtquObUEcokenGD+wKleoWd4ecGcQLlu7fvtrWBwMX6LGvMzvFsmr1dfAgzWGqb+vHbnqO77Pwybsnhej4aQKG+dPcflz6sfMcF9etFPy+UP/ZYPxDlsTxItXLGh3/y88evmyG50mbrjjvsZmuiRTUAZS+qPGGneaC1dhoxai0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:21:14 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11930_14409567.1187983274263" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:21:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11930_14409567.1187983274263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks kelly... that's what i've thought since it was so difficult to obtain info on websites about it. It's not the first time this happens... I own some sampling units where you just can use the MIDI in for sync and very little more... Really BIG Thanks! Raul. 2007/8/24, Kelly Coyle : > > Nope. That MIDI port is mostly for decoration. Well, and sync. You > need the footswitch remote to do those things. > > I'm selling mine pretty soon, FWIW. It's a really cool and strange > four track recorder. But I need "next loop" and it doesn't do that. > > > > > On 8/24/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > > hi friends, > > > > just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's > > possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc > > on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have > > MIDI I/O. > > > > thanks in advance, > > > > raul. > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_11930_14409567.1187983274263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks kelly... that's what i've thought since it was so difficult to obtain
info on websites about it. It's not the first time this happens... I own some sampling units where you just can use the MIDI in for sync and very little more...

Really BIG Thanks!
Raul.

2007/8/24, Kelly Coyle <skcoyle@gmail.com>:
Nope. That MIDI port is mostly for decoration. Well, and sync. You
need the footswitch remote to do those things.

I'm selling mine pretty soon, FWIW. It's a really cool and strange
four track recorder. But I need "next loop" and it doesn't do that.




On 8/24/07, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi friends,
>
> just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's
> possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc
> on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have
> MIDI I/O.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> raul.
>
> --
> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra


--
http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net
http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_11930_14409567.1187983274263-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:26:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837923BF3B; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CEYyr4ovBkGC52OaP49mpv0qLmjFszBHGJzXYQtxLGqwJDPebgPn/rrmTu2iziwUgYztlquUWn4EFYyQtF55LltkykwSD9G3HMiciyVrDKGNosLHoGlwssbaSU7H9EzgrYHjhhnF51JxlBjwgPLq5SOZbVA/Z98vgztSTcmMlOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eoAZyZDiGW6DRKE/jo5OcSClJpvVdQCPNy+Nxva5eKqYLpaT7AVy7NN8kd/h0Qdyqz1nX8YCMtydt+4Ob7MqphB+yhRvaOl/yAyqOgoGe5N7Lyl+QMRt7Uwof3/08YfE8F6+/5URI8HjpyP4658zf8QTCnGunYwmwEJdnSOR6fM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:31 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines of standard Boss pedals. Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings or names on them--not very usable. There has to be some display to communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or whatever. I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide type controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with that host so that the UI would work. Displays are pricey. TH On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal > Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 > knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a > problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these > boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have > issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck > with the few patches I used a lot. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:27:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2D2C3BF49; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DW+58OCWbAU6TmJQ7p5Z+3/zi/mZolR115bXbFuXcM6ymtGZ/MJzN/3FByjvohaKfkwjChRh/n8GXdy1cXIvDD6iiS+h/W4fLWepJkvwH2H20j6/6uN/t0sltlF2FlhPnJc41bKDmwIve5/T8YhLVsD65CjEqvXOL5WqC4F/1Mk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=T6j6dHy06EHoz9l+35TMbENfntTtvGU+9lN1ZvbRevzH5ErSKr6URcUi6MtYBzfgUSPKaSNpEdnMYFfCiO1CzLL2E4giUKM6NCy1kwLbBWszIpcCXcjmztwpBnm6tOH2PoBUSXdWpSVLCEUkWtYhI42cdEZCi3r7ajeAYoVaXLU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:27:47 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adrenalinn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54254_17170547.1187983667722" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54254_17170547.1187983667722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, I'm having some issues with my Adrenalinn right now. It's making glitching sounds instead of the sounds it's supposed to make. Not that glitching is a bad thing, just not in this case. Anyway, I have an idea it's the main chip(s) that needs to be replaced and I see that Roger now has the version III out. Does anybody have one? Is it worth the $99 to upgrade if I have to fix it anyway? -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_54254_17170547.1187983667722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all,

I'm having some issues with my Adrenalinn right now. It's making glitching sounds instead of the sounds it's supposed to make.  Not that glitching is a bad thing, just not in this case.  Anyway, I have an idea it's the main chip(s) that needs to be replaced and I see that Roger now has the version III out.  Does anybody have one?  Is it worth the $99 to upgrade if I have to fix it anyway? 

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Tony ------=_Part_54254_17170547.1187983667722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:36:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7427D3BF56; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tpxivE5Z5fDlOE1oXpQNjNQl74Thc7X6WFCHWU8PmaykkqgE31j/gFGPlRsLy6WsvASifLCfeXQhrPuDzvPI2NhM4l0dDh2gkqDTmwWUdpII9g46vE4d1v4kbqXrOpMV5tfGSnj4xe/ekf86oBg7nA5ibuJc9oFeEKTV1waZKDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W1FJVW9YYNF1taMud3YYWv6RwyOC5HDaIIYuEYx9WKqi2IE14deOZAHTcPzYXVCC1WI6o+zed+hqsuCyOkPICQ1HR+AxDHwHGVpsuY9t7RQ2xH6QornR+NLdPhOlZECliJY1gi/LZS9wDEo2UPJyLTCWii2PFXSiNbx8cEX4r1s= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:36:42 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:36:45 +0000 (UTC) It could be we need different things -- how many parameters do you tweak in performance? For me, it isn't so many: wet/dry, how extreme the effect is (e.g., Q), how fast or slow, and maybe "tone" (or frequency, or whatever). Add an X control for whatever is strange about it: shape for tremolo, e.g. In fact, if you could map those four functions to controllers I bet I could work a large number of VSTs on the fly, especially if I got to generally set them up (via USB on my computer) first. I'd guess that if you wanted to use more than three or so of these boxes, you'd get the lappy. On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety > of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines > of standard Boss pedals. > > Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings > or names on them--not very usable. There has to be some display to > communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe > there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all > the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or > whatever. > > I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide type > controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I > thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with > that host so that the UI would work. Displays are pricey. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal > > Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 > > knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a > > problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these > > boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have > > issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck > > with the few patches I used a lot. > > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:37:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BDCC3BF48; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KGoyBjn4gpaI1r2Yz8gex+078f5mEA72zCLZhM2bTybLXEF04OkqJJYhndEw2DmSkXv9JsjGHYYF9g+M1KerTV1vqrVC/euws26vZ/YeIAivyw4tf36Kbm+37unH7K99lm594BLskkJIDIOpbcghWCcApCijnrRtFVZb/KDbiK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ns8Df9h/+ATrvFuxqwMISpam4igeZFf5c6IHAlkdDbVx+xF4ZTL7YWaX9V3XsHxZxulQOAbQn7eq8wssd1Y+ibKRDpYq4lCxtCqEZ4YWvsSPN7TTogACYNAy7SALFAnMVvqOrmVUKtvBH+PNDsK4PTWFXHTrGpxyDhONuYeM3Nk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:37:14 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54286_15589126.1187984234639" References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54286_15589126.1187984234639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wrote a simple VST host a few years ago and if I remember correctly, the VST spec has provisions for accessing the name and values of each parameter without going through the UI. So, theoretically, a host on a PDA or whatever could display the param name and the value with way to change the value. I can imagine some fx or synths that have a LOT of params would be a major pain in the ass to work with. But no worse than some of the rack fx or synths that have a teeny tiny little LCD screen. The big issue would be real time control. Then you are back to having an FCB or some other USB (assuming your PDA has USB) or Bluetooth controller. I think someone posted a link on here to a WII controller interface for MIDI control, now that might be interesting... Tony On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety > of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines > of standard Boss pedals. > > Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings > or names on them--not very usable. There has to be some display to > communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe > there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all > the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or > whatever. > > I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide type > controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I > thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with > that host so that the UI would work. Displays are pricey. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal > > Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 > > knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a > > problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these > > boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have > > issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck > > with the few patches I used a lot. > > > > ------=_Part_54286_15589126.1187984234639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wrote a simple VST host a few years ago and if I remember correctly, the VST spec has provisions  for accessing the name and values of each parameter without going through the UI. So, theoretically, a host on a PDA or whatever could display the param name and the value with way to change the value.  I can imagine some fx or synths that have a LOT of params would be a major pain in the ass to work with.  But no worse than some of the rack fx or synths that have a teeny tiny little LCD screen.  The big issue would be real time control.  Then you are back to having an FCB or some other USB (assuming your PDA has USB) or Bluetooth controller.  I think someone posted a link on here to a WII controller interface for MIDI control, now that might be interesting...

Tony

On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety
of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines
of standard Boss pedals.

Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings
or names on them--not very usable.  There has to be some display to
communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe
there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all
the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard  shortcut or
whatever.

I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide type
controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I
thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with
that host so that the UI would work.  Displays are pricey.

TH

On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle <skcoyle@gmail.com > wrote:
> I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal
> Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11
> knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a
> problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these
> boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have
> issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck
> with the few patches I used a lot.
>



------=_Part_54286_15589126.1187984234639-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:41:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 843F53BEF1; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--776135025 Message-Id: <57D0B756-1508-416C-AB76-98DECB29DF3E@aol.com> From: john floridis Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:41:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0gEZnD.A.2fD.cRzzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--776135025 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed So first of all, I think Buzap should get hired by Roland to demo these pedals, not to mention be a consultant. Not to say that I'm not entertained by Rico Loop. : ) I also have both the RC-50 and RC-2. I've found good use for both. I am very interested in the new Boomerang, as I understand it will also have the sub-out/aux-out feature to send a loop only signal which the RC-50 has. I've found that invaluable when working with other players...sending that signal to the drummer so they can lock into that alone. You know what I like best about the RC-2? The most basic, simple feature- How smooth is attack and release of the loop itself. With the RC-2, I've found it seemless and much more efficient than the RC-50, and yes, I've done the upgrade. I still like the Rc-50, but on some basic level, I don't have the confidence with that first loop that I have with the RC-2. The action of the later is more like the Behringer midi pedal that I use with the Echoplex. And, I have found the extra pedal to stop and erase to be very useful myself. Again, Buzap, thanks for your detailed feedback. John Floridis --Apple-Mail-1--776135025 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 So first o= f all, I think Buzap should get hired by Roland to demo these pedals, not to= mention be a consultant.=A0 Not to say that I'm not entertained by R= ico Loop.=A0 : )

I also have both the RC-50 and RC-2.=A0 I've found good use for both.=A0 I=20= am very interested in the new Boomerang, as I understand it will also have t= he sub-out/aux-out feature to send a loop only signal which the RC-50 has.= =A0 I've found that invaluable when working with other players...sending tha= t signal to the drummer so they can lock into that alone.

You know what I like best about the= RC-2?=A0 The most basic, simple feature- How smooth is attack and release o= f the loop itself.=A0 With the RC-2, I've found it seemless and much more ef= ficient than the RC-50, and yes, I've done the upgrade.=A0 I still like the=20= Rc-50, but on some basic level, I don't have the confidence with that first=20= loop that I have with the RC-2.=A0 The action of the later is more like the=20= Behringer midi pedal that I use with the Echoplex.

And, I have found the extra pedal to stop=20= and erase to be very useful myself.

Again, Buzap, thanks for your detailed feedback.

John Floridis
=3D --Apple-Mail-1--776135025-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 19:50:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FBE63BF3D; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:50:53 +0000 Message-Id: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Audiomulch seems to be PC only, correct? Ive come to the conclusion that working with music on a laptop isnt for everybody. The constant fear of upsetting the great and almighty CPU is very frustrating. Everything you could ever want is soooo close, but just out of reach. Heaven forbid you ask too much of the great overlord CPU. You are then punished with a mighty CRACK, BUZZ, SNAP! You are then humbled back to your meager little virtual rack of effects and you keep dreaming of that new, fast and very expensive computer you cannot afford. Ahh, but the ugly and much maligned little red boxes never let you down do they? Sure they come up short in many areas, but you soldier on with nothing but your wits and a fierce determination to find the allusive workaround that will let one machine work in a similer way to another machine you once had, but loved. But IT came up short too. They all do. They all do. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Luca Formentini > Hi, > I have been having the same issues when starting to experiment my "pc rack". > Three years ago I started to check how I could minimize my hardware rack > bringing as many as possible utilities in an audio card and a laptop. > The two main issues were replacing my two venerable Echoplexes and my > Sound Sculpture Switchblade. > For a few months I played with many sw loopers and after some severe > tests I decided to go with Mobius ( not a great discovery you may say ;-)). > Anyway, the most difficult to replicate characters of my setup was the > very complex signal routing I was doing with the switchblade and having > the chance to control the most of it via midi. > I have been testing Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. > Usine was interesting but still very raw and complex with no reason, > Bidule was showing me the peaks you are getting and Audiomulch seemed > the more stable, intuitive and simple. > It's two years I am looping with Audiomulch as a Vst host ( where Mobius > is hosted), powerful mixer/router/splitter and midi controlled brain. > I find the system very stable and light ( I'm on a single Centrino 1.86 > Gb with 1 Gb or Ram) so that I am gigging and recording with it. > > I really suggest you to check Audiomulch, take into consideration we're > waiting the 2.0 release in a few weeks/months. > > Don't give up ! > > my best, > Luca > www.unguitar.com > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB > > seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior > > with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The > > cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are > > unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond > > cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. > > I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. > > But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. > > My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can > > get a faster machine I'll go back. > > I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations > > because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the > > glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with > > all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic > > stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just > > wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. > > > > > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2482 (20070824) __________ > > > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > > http://www.nod32.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:00:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AECE23BF44; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4A332C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Thread-Index: Acfmf5LgOz+OHcWKR62YkCz92CX3VAABUJyA References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:00:52 +0000 (UTC) > Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the > handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it > would store in flash. Or presets. This is not so much a technical problem as a practical one, getting enough developers interested in making VSTs for such a device to justify the cost of building one. Travis is quite right about the UI problems. Many VSTs would need modification or a redesign of their control scheme to accommodate a simpler UI with a small screen and soft knobs. This takes extra work that has to be justified by increased sales, fame, personal favors, or something. But initially not many people are going to own this device because there is no software for it, so developers won't be very interested in writing software for it, so no one will buy it... The only way this can work is if the company building the hardware also develops or funds the development of a reasonably interesting suite of plugins so that the thing at least does something out of the box that people will buy. Then after a few years when thousands of people own one, other plugin developers will take an interest. This is more or less the story with the Muse Receptor which contrary to their marketing hype doesn't "just run" all VST plugins, most of the good ones are ports specifically for the Receptor. The Receptor also has similar issues with the control UI. Simple plugins can be controlled using soft knobs and the little LCD display, but I would imagine most people that own one of these hook up an LCD monitor and keyboard to it. At that point you basically just have an expensive rack mount PC, though it doesn't run Windows so there are a few advantages. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:15:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85EC63BF68; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46CF3EB4.3040708@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:25:24 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping References: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Mfc, I didn't get you were on Mac. Anyway, I am for the mix of both worlds: hardware and software. More, I am for finding the solution that makes you feel better when you sit down to put out your musical mortal remains... let some time pass and check again in the future. my best, luca www.unguitar.com midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >Audiomulch seems to be PC only, correct? Ive come to the conclusion that working with music on a laptop isnt for everybody. The constant fear of upsetting the great and almighty CPU is very frustrating. Everything you could ever want is soooo close, but just out of reach. Heaven forbid you ask too much of the great overlord CPU. You are then punished with a mighty CRACK, BUZZ, SNAP! You are then humbled back to your meager little virtual rack of effects and you keep dreaming of that new, fast and very expensive computer you cannot afford. >Ahh, but the ugly and much maligned little red boxes never let you down do they? Sure they come up short in many areas, but you soldier on with nothing but your wits and a fierce determination to find the allusive workaround that will let one machine work in a similer way to another machine you once had, but loved. But IT came up short too. They all do. They all do. > >MFC > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Luca Formentini > > >>Hi, >>I have been having the same issues when starting to experiment my "pc rack". >>Three years ago I started to check how I could minimize my hardware rack >>bringing as many as possible utilities in an audio card and a laptop. >>The two main issues were replacing my two venerable Echoplexes and my >>Sound Sculpture Switchblade. >>For a few months I played with many sw loopers and after some severe >>tests I decided to go with Mobius ( not a great discovery you may say ;-)). >>Anyway, the most difficult to replicate characters of my setup was the >>very complex signal routing I was doing with the switchblade and having >>the chance to control the most of it via midi. >>I have been testing Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. >>Usine was interesting but still very raw and complex with no reason, >>Bidule was showing me the peaks you are getting and Audiomulch seemed >>the more stable, intuitive and simple. >>It's two years I am looping with Audiomulch as a Vst host ( where Mobius >>is hosted), powerful mixer/router/splitter and midi controlled brain. >>I find the system very stable and light ( I'm on a single Centrino 1.86 >>Gb with 1 Gb or Ram) so that I am gigging and recording with it. >> >>I really suggest you to check Audiomulch, take into consideration we're >>waiting the 2.0 release in a few weeks/months. >> >>Don't give up ! >> >>my best, >>Luca >>www.unguitar.com >> >> >>midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig PB >>>seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior >>>with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. The >>>cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are >>>unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond >>>cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. >>>I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the interface. >>>But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. >>>My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can >>>get a faster machine I'll go back. >>>I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations >>>because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to the >>>glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide with >>>all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic >>>stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just >>>wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Informazione NOD32 2482 (20070824) __________ >>> >>>Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >>>http://www.nod32.it >>> >>> > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2483 (20070824) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:26:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409503BF56; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:25:59 +0000 Message-Id: <082420072025.22280.46CF3ED700085B13000057082212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <34-0k.A.psF.Z7zzGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Luca Formentini > Sorry Mfc, > I didn't get you were on Mac. > Anyway, I am for the mix of both worlds: hardware and software. > More, I am for finding the solution that makes you feel better when you > sit down to put out your musical mortal remains... > > let some time pass and check again in the future. Thats the plan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:27:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE3A3BF71; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017c01c7e68d$22fece50$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:27:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:27:07 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" > Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings > or names on them--not very usable. Sounds wonderful to me, if I can assign my own parameters via the computer. This is what a lot of us computer geeks like...that sort of flexibility. Heck, some of us don't even need to see our VST effects, because we control eveything via MIDI controllers. There has to be some display to > communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe > there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all > the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or > whatever. It can be done. I could build a VST that responds soley to keyboard commands, or MIDI commands, or Mouse, or to movement captured from a webcam, etc The manufucture would just have to program to pedal's nobs to respond to VST parameter messages. It's basically like a Receptor Muse but without a display. Kris > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal >> Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 >> knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a >> problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of these >> boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have >> issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck >> with the few patches I used a lot. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 20:28:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081203BF78; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pBVMsbiEveu6VjIcDeAHAJvjAYdqeWp7/HIrTyX8fLziVo7qdnSzFaxTIw18uxOGXlEhfWHDO6upe2lPZGdo/o8KVjUTR8gc03myItzdY5RT4eq78/DMlOwPH71+wIp6KyeZ9n40N+orDi05X4xfa4xh2ug8nF0HIrV97fQDFjE=; X-YMail-OSG: NWjxlZcVM1nU3i7GFYoiHqygVSWfxoLCOvO1YuUE Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <554957.33326.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) To stop and erase at the same time, just double-click holding the second click for 2-seconds. Or for two steps, you could always turn the loop volume down to nothing before erasing. I've had loads of fun with the simplicity of the RC-2 in the last week myself. One thing I did that improved the experience (which may or may not work for all you guitarists), I took off the footpedal off and play the switch beneath and other settings with one hand. It's pretty easy to feel without glancing down. This little stompbox is small enough that you can probably mount it on your instrument of choice with a simple velcro strip. As a vocalist, I've taken to wearing my RC-2 over my shoulder with a guitar strap held in by the input and output cords, right at the jacks. I'm really excited to take this to Burning Man next week, wearing an Anchor AN-1000 monitor, Brunton Solo portable power plant, and looping all over the damn place! I heartily concur with the complaint about saving loops, though. I don't use that function at all because you have to stop and look at the thing and give it a while before you can use what you're saving. Setting it all up in advance isn't really live looping now is it? I am so spoiled by my Echoplex. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band MySpace: www.myspace.com/onemouthband Website: www.OneMouthBand.com Newest CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers ----- Original Message ----- > On the RC-2, after you double click to stop, to then erase the loop, you > have to press and hold the pedal. The problem is that the loop starts > playing again for 2 seconds while you hold the pedal down. 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Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-2126691818-1187989340=:92822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 22:24:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FDB03BF49; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <001701c7e69d$38a7bf40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <009301c7e4e1$ca150c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <8C70CB7F-8F11-428F-BF78-4C944EA5B8E5@gmail.com> Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:24:30 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: o.t. READING > I have been re-reading the Galactic Center series by Gregory Benford. > I recommend starting with book 3 - Great Sky River - the books get > progressively wonderfully weird from there. Then go back and read the > first 2 books as prequels. Benford is another one of my favs, also David Brin "The Uplift War" series is great. > Michael Swanwick, Stations of the Tide (incredible stuff, mindblowingly > creative SF They shipped my copy yesterday! peace out, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 22:42:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103DF3BEFF; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J34UuTmKYBIlxdGiIStwAdzXZsvuXBd8u9Q2sRydq5hhTTYwnRHZ9MzPyu99jH5Dh5NnFrlOmDJn1XYxGeQhB6omJL9XcrIHtZm4tydY45NmoQUyv2o0BJuoC3wVmT+HYWu6bqgrQPjzLF7W5vDz827LamTO89x4io6dhry9cd4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PSdn3tMAXDkYs5ZtCZt0/p2HLHKapRPUNkWpPnejDL1ahbOfKC86vmnysrIYSBmlwBUQ/N3t++5uQ1FJymCL9cIaC757kRKvAEev0TDlS9dh2KbOy3/lB5fI3XdnrBdw+WR4rfv4tFBsY4llb1gCZYlcXJD3nyAuIs+Zjzp2GGA= Message-ID: <46CF5F4A.5040505@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:44:26 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:42:44 +0000 (UTC) I am brand new to this and debating between an rc-2 and a rc20xl. Just curious what you meant by the statement below because i plan to use a mic pretty exclusively to loop my voice/banjo thanks for the great comparison. > I would definitely recommend the RC-2 as a first looper (keep in mind you need to lift the signal if you use a Mic). It really sounds great (transparent) and is a useful, comapact, basic looper. > > > Buzap > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 22:42:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 391BB3BF17; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Message-ID: <006901c7e69f$26b197f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> <57D0B756-1508-416C-AB76-98DECB29DF3E@aol.com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:36:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C7E67D.9F21A030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:42:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C7E67D.9F21A030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What pedal exactly can you use? Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: john floridis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 And, I have found the extra pedal to stop and erase to be very useful = myself. Again, Buzap, thanks for your detailed feedback. John Floridis =3D=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: = 8/23/2007 4:04 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C7E67D.9F21A030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What pedal exactly can you = use?
Jeff
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And, I have found the extra pedal to stop and erase to be very = useful=20 myself.

Again, Buzap, thanks for your detailed feedback.

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------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C7E67D.9F21A030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 22:44:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 684863BF16; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <554957.33326.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <554957.33326.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c7e6a0$604e5290$20eaf7b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfmjVXxQ6HJ9pCuSmiX4Z426rqHHwAEo6nA Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/11coybI0toU8HtzD7TPUbWrc7YkpBkloOPJb M6f8oznTajYoj0VeHN/KAj2qWkQbSngJiRiFlG+T5EGJ6qO7sm BetvTi92C7RK6+8fbToJ8p59X5U3ZC4/o+awzIW31U= Resent-Message-ID: <9EK9SD.A.LFC.h91zGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, this can be done, although a little awkward on the fly this way. Sometimes I am amazed I can double click on the beat and keep playing live seamlessly- I think double clicking and holding must be a learned skill. Reaching down and turning the knob isn't really an option, and more awkward still. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives/ To stop and erase at the same time, just double-click holding the second click for 2-seconds. Or for two steps, you could always turn the loop volume down to nothing before erasing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 23:29:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52F8B3BF49; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <030401c7e637$f7440b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: .o.t. READING Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:28:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:29:03 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 24, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tony K wrote: > And don't forget "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe. > Quite entertaining. While this particular psychedelic thread is still continuing, there is also this excellent book: 'Tripping, An Anthology of True-Life Psychedelic Adventures' by Charles Hayes (pub. 2000) A very well researched and written book three parts. First part is a lengthy Introduction that is divided into 3 sections. Part Two is a large collection of personal narratives from a lot of various folks about their "voyages into uncharted territories". Part Three of the book has a very lengthy conversation with Terrence McKenna before his passing on and out of this Life. Enjoy -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 24 23:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7633BF56; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LddTJhSLC3S2Ib2MpesuVP1sLuTVBa6GexIK5o/rOzRAizRdi5KZn3qYQFypiwPD5567aVTKcp63QV+XfhySL4yWzy6Vw1dL4oVTP709pZPmGq9FBmiubY+barSwvC3pByH0aiGSK6q1AU0BGSzipL3DB15v1TyTYiKSNEbCSEk=; X-YMail-OSG: EmUF30UVM1leDNe_gPJF.ed2Rr8WZTK2zE7fMBkaTcreHq_kkyfYVkPJj89Fv977kfANAMUkrq8.KTxO3J7nGGISJy5j30fi.4bBNXi49gXimSsbDpuId5EDKAxVuA-- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: potter To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <988577.31580.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Yep, Bought it at the grocers 3 fridays ago, read it on saturday. Good book. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 00:14:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A6F3BF38; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006901c7e69f$26b197f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> <57D0B756-1508-416C-AB76-98DECB29DF3E@aol.com> <006901c7e69f$26b197f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:13:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Jeff I use a yamaha momentary pedal which used to go with a keyboard and it happened to work, but I'm sure Roland recommends their own. Fs 5u. I use the fs6 with the RC-50. john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 00:55:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD0F3BF08; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:55:45 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: LooperWiki needed. In-reply-to: <13844116-6169-4B82-B7FD-4D6D48004F3C@bernhardwagner.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004f01c7e6b2$ab2c8fe0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfmKlo4yH721nvbQ82uljpTytWuKAAiDKAg References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> <13844116-6169-4B82-B7FD-4D6D48004F3C@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Far out, Bernhard. Fast work. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- > @bernhardwagner.net] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. > > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > yeah, would be great. > > We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just > > link-reference in the mail postings... > > Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 01:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB1EA3BF40; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: potter Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c7e6b3$55ab90b0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <988577.31580.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acfmp9YkhTAETYAvR9OKF/LmhD3VVwACzveA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk about books. This is = not one of them. -----Original Message----- From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:38 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: potter Howdy, Yep, Bought it at the grocers 3 fridays ago, read it on saturday. Good book. Rig =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 01:23:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7F63BF38; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UZG8g+EExLAUZhtouc16F2Xrj9H7N0RTDTuToLEPq89ndZMaTCMqaYLQrnLy+elJQ+DZeV+WkDqSA71rwEbeoNBPi3GpViqvDVtxzV6pKh2ZedNXOqbpPfvMsd2ESuovHaPHnqSi++2S2a8B+7jtsDPKcW3IrLUPUkN/sTD1jho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RoYVHHORnZIKIo5MGLPxdx4cCnSTWil/F+j6i+Vyr7vN1GavIezjBuIz5th3jcy7gMLwCkPsSwIyZ4oGTgxVcFNnKfiXrcN4co8K1G3FQOpb2KvsCRY3YdaxkCbM55OXAepZFP1KtKlIBso8E80Z7hx3xrO+XmJZRT4CwD3E8r4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:23:35 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. In-Reply-To: <004f01c7e6b2$ab2c8fe0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_137856_20392562.1188005015827" References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> <13844116-6169-4B82-B7FD-4D6D48004F3C@bernhardwagner.net> <004f01c7e6b2$ab2c8fe0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: <7FRNm.A.9FG.ZS4zGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:23:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_137856_20392562.1188005015827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nothing against Bernhard's work - in fact - much love to him for doing it. But Bernhard put that up at least 2 years ago, and very little info has gone into it. Maybe this time will be the charm. Doug On 8/24/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Far out, Bernhard. Fast work. > > Warren > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- > > @bernhardwagner.net] > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. > > > > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > > > On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > > yeah, would be great. > > > We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just > > > link-reference in the mail postings... > > > Buzap > > > ------=_Part_137856_20392562.1188005015827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nothing against Bernhard's work - in fact - much love to him for doing it.  But Bernhard put that up at least 2 years ago, and very little info has gone into it.

Maybe this time will be the charm.

Doug

On 8/24/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
Far out, Bernhard. Fast work.

Warren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-
> @ bernhardwagner.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed.
>
> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi
>
> On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote:
>
> > yeah, would be great.
> > We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just
> > link-reference in the mail postings...
> > Buzap



------=_Part_137856_20392562.1188005015827-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 01:35:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E126E3BF4D; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <004f01c7e6b2$ab2c8fe0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <082120071743.2255.46CB24310001E980000008CF2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824083257.19080@gmx.net> <13844116-6169-4B82-B7FD-4D6D48004F3C@bernhardwagner.net> <004f01c7e6b2$ab2c8fe0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E35BC27-6035-4399-B234-50EE7132A08C@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:35:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Warren. It actually wasn't fast, but had been sitting there for a long time (as Doug just pointed out). I only wanted to show that the idea to offer a lot of valuable information on LD in a more structured way has been thought about before. The advantage of a Wiki would be that the content would not need to wait for anyone to upload it to LD but instead could be contributed by anyone who has the time and the interest. See wikipedia. Interesting that Web 2.0 hasn't been mentioned on this list yet. The cycle where someone proposes to turn LD into a forum has just passed again a few weeks ago. But there are so many concepts that have been invented since mailing lists (like blogs, tags, wikis, social networks, etc.), that LD in particular would profit from. Bernhard On 25.08.2007, at 02:55, Warren Sirota wrote: > Far out, Bernhard. Fast work. > > Warren > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- >> @bernhardwagner.net] >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. >> >> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi >> >> On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >>> yeah, would be great. >>> We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just >>> link-reference in the mail postings... >>> Buzap > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 02:03:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD273BF3D; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:03:36 +0000 Message-Id: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:03:38 +0000 (UTC) 2 questions. 1.How do we add entrys to the wiki? 2. Who would like to define Looping? MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bernhard Wagner LD > Thanks, Warren. > > It actually wasn't fast, but had been sitting there for a long time > (as Doug just pointed out). > > I only wanted to show that the idea to offer a lot of valuable > information on LD in a more structured way has been thought about > before. > The advantage of a Wiki would be that the content would not need to > wait for anyone to upload it to LD but instead could be contributed > by anyone who has the time and the interest. See wikipedia. > > Interesting that Web 2.0 hasn't been mentioned on this list yet. The > cycle where someone proposes to turn LD into a forum has just passed > again a few weeks ago. But there are so many concepts that have been > invented since mailing lists (like blogs, tags, wikis, social > networks, etc.), that LD in particular would profit from. > > Bernhard > > On 25.08.2007, at 02:55, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > Far out, Bernhard. Fast work. > > > > Warren > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- > >> @bernhardwagner.net] > >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. > >> > >> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > >> > >> On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> > >>> yeah, would be great. > >>> We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and just > >>> link-reference in the mail postings... > >>> Buzap > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 02:04:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A583BF49; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: potter Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:04:49 +0000 Message-Id: <082520070204.9099.46CF8E410007C5D50000238B2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <62MmnD.A.hYH.C54zGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Please, no rules. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk about books. This is not > one of them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:38 PM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: potter > > Howdy, > > Yep, Bought it at the grocers 3 fridays ago, read it > on saturday. Good book. > Rig > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 02:44:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28EA53BF48; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:44:17 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping References: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > > Audiomulch seems to be PC only, correct? Ive come to the conclusion =20 > that working with music on a laptop isnt for everybody. The constant =20 > fear of upsetting the great and almighty CPU is very frustrating. =20 > Everything you could ever want is soooo close, but just out of =20 > reach. Heaven forbid you ask too much of the great overlord CPU. You =20 > are then punished with a mighty CRACK, BUZZ, SNAP! > This email is about my battle with CRACK, BUZZ, and SNAP and what I am =20 doing to win the battle! Hope this isn't too long-winded -- I hope =20 this saves someone some frustration. Here is my tale: 1) Choose a laptop Well, I don't know much about laptops and PC's however I had heard =20 that for audio applications, get as fast a CPU and as much RAM as you =20 can. So, I found me a nice laptop with a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 and =20 upgraded it to 2gig. And when I added a Presonus Firepod and Cubase =20 SX3 and had it working nicely up over 60 tracks with no glitch, I felt =20 like I had ARRIVED. I dutifully used the MSCONFIG utility to turn off =20 non-essential services (don't need to run a virus checker while music =20 making, etc). 2) The harbinger of interesting things to come All was working well. I did a multi-track project with a stereo mix =20 -- even used VST plugin compressor and reverb. The only problem was =20 an occasional pop during playback while sizing windows. Not really a =20 problem -- a minor annoyance. 3) What you don't know will hurt you Confident of my equipment, I applied for a performance slot at the =20 electro-music festival. I decided to delve into surround sound, so I =20 purchase two additional rear monitors. After all, my Firepod has =20 plenty of outputs and Cubase SX3 has a surround bus. I'm cookin' now! =20 And, I decided to include a couple of works that utilize live =20 looping! Oh... what I got myself into! There were plenty of things just waiting to BITE me! 4) Live-looping and latency I created a work that included some pre-recorded tracks to play in =20 sync with loops (provided by a number of VST delay lines). Now I am =20 getting a lot of pops, and crackles. And... I couldn't seem to play =20 in time! No matter what I did, my rhythm was SLOP. I thought to =20 myself, "Jeez -- my computer is crackling and I can't play." And I =20 was kinda torqued because I had tons of memory and CPU power and a =20 firewire port to boot! Why is the darned thing crackling? Well, I did some experimenting and found out that the reason for the =20 sloppy rhythm was system latency. And, I found out that the pops were =20 due to an incompatability between the Firepod and my video chipset! 5) Throw money at the problem ... the American way! An friend on the electro-music forum suggested =20 that I purchase an RME800. Well, I did and have never regretted it. =20 No more clicks and pops and latency below 10 milliseconds. Now I'm =20 smiling. 6) Well, I auditioned for Y2K7 and promised a live-looping set with no =20 pre-recorded elements. Emboldenned by the Electro-music experience, =20 I incorporate more hardware fx into my sonic repertoire and tie up =20 some more inputs on the RME800. And, much to my chagrin I have to =20 increase the buffer sizes (and thus the system latency) to avoid =20 crackles and pops. Of course, the rhythm goes to mush with over 10ms =20 of latency. I thought to myself, "Dang it! I thought I had this =20 problem licked!" 7) Finally, learned more about the PCI bus. We have all heard of PCI =20 cards, etc. Well, it turns out that the Firewire port is connected to =20 the PCI bus, along with a lot of other things. Thus, the cpu and =20 memory may show little utilization however the PCI bus may be =20 straining under the load. The solution was to create a seperate =20 hardware profile wherein I disable anything connected to the PCI bus =20 that is non-essential. For instance, I disabled the modem, wireless =20 internet card, ethernet card, internal soundcard, and a few other =20 things. Also, I reduced my video bit depth to reduce the demands on =20 my meager video card's memory. Now I can work at latencies <10ms =20 without any glitches. *whew!* 8) Enlightenment (for the moment) A firewire port has a tremendous amount of bandwidth and obviously a =20 CPU that runs at over 3Ghz with 2Gig ram should handle a lot. =20 However, the PCI bus can get overloaded. Not all drivers and chipsets =20 are created equal. For instance, the Video chipset in my computer (a =20 Toshiba P35) has limited memory compared to to others and it tends to =20 hog the PCI bus. Also, the less expensive Presonus unit apparently =20 does more work in the driver than more expensive units that do more of =20 their work in their firmware. Also, some devices violate PCI =20 standards which can wreak havoc with high-throughput real-time =20 applications such as audio. The latency thing? Well, in multi-track recording, the application =20 (Cubase in my instance) compensates for the latency. The only time =20 one notices any latency is if one is monitoring from the computers =20 output stream (the analogy would be to monitor a recording from the =20 playback head). (Zero latency monitoring bypasses the computer =20 processing). Live looping is an application where you are both monitoring the =20 output data and playing in sync with the computer. So, the latency =20 that is unnoticable in a recording situation becomes a big factor for =20 live looping. 9) Moral to the story There are many potential bottlenecks as data travels through a =20 computer and a computer system has numerous devices that compete for =20 resources. We tend to think of CPU speed, memory, and =20 disk-throughput. The PCI bus is fast, however beware of devices that =20 are robbing the PCI bus of bandwidth. In fact, it doesn't hurt to =20 "shop the application" -- that is, choose your software and hardware =20 interface first, check the documentation for known incompatabilities =20 (such as the video chipset), then choose a computer that does the job. 10) to be continued I'm sure there will be more chapters to this saga yet to be experienced. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 03:40:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08933BF20; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4jNCVm0hvNjV6d1jmPVXim36v9QFcIgDPM9mPH7avjtHvfcf+cv68e2dEugxXTnTxj+oS1f1ZPPMBHhgckbQWGn/u8fIPmUlth4t3Y4sGdDWHw/RdH+qh4KoWyxTRz2NVArC+K03jvLcj4IQ0T8jaq/eTYfLUaVWC5oxU52IAUs=; X-YMail-OSG: TLxdBUwVM1n8wRIBnSwjCna5iwdtidqLI3JXC1GQDDhd94w4XO2gZGu6bPwX25jcgEIjYlJ2hVSMfFQDyL_Gi.3NSNPTPzxJF6Cnb646xm3evqo7jZTuMCWHcDw1w2U- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: o.t. READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <678705.69166.qm@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:40:18 +0000 (UTC) >While this particular psychedelic thread is still continuing, there >is also this excellent book: >'Tripping, An Anthology of True-Life Psychedelic Adventures' by >Charles Hayes (pub. 2000) If you like Hayes's "Tripping An Anthology", track down a copy of "The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience" by R.E.L Masters which was published in 1966 and has a nice schema of trip experiences along with the stories. Stanislav Grof has published some great analysis of his investigation of LSD experiences as well. Enjoy, Rabbi “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:02:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6CB13BF33; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9399B697-7B62-43E9-BF74-08B677B9CA51@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:02:20 -0700 References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Oled display and 6 programmable faders would do it. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 11:59 AM, "Travis Hartnett" wrote: > And how would you see the results of said tweaking? > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> Obviously, it would have USB to tweak parameters and map them to the >> handy onboard controllers and footswitches for performance, which it >> would store in flash. Or presets. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:08:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFAA3BF42; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <880BEC21-977B-451F-A216-3CC04068FB69@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <46CF313D.50803@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:08:12 -0700 References: <082320071523.27512.46CDA6680006ECC400006B782216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <46CF313D.50803@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5WgWND.A.Q5E.Td8zGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Ah audiomulch! I forgot about that one because it didn't... Do =20 something I wanted... Sync to an external source maybe? I gave up on =20 working that way but audiomulch did seem promising. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi, > I have been having the same issues when starting to experiment my =20 > "pc rack". > Three years ago I started to check how I could minimize my hardware =20= > rack bringing as many as possible utilities in an audio card and a =20 > laptop. > The two main issues were replacing my two venerable Echoplexes and =20 > my Sound Sculpture Switchblade. > For a few months I played with many sw loopers and after some severe =20= > tests I decided to go with Mobius ( not a great discovery you may =20 > say ;-)). > Anyway, the most difficult to replicate characters of my setup was =20= > the very complex signal routing I was doing with the switchblade and =20= > having the chance to control the most of it via midi. > I have been testing Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. > Usine was interesting but still very raw and complex with no reason, =20= > Bidule was showing me the peaks you are getting and Audiomulch =20 > seemed the more stable, intuitive and simple. > It's two years I am looping with Audiomulch as a Vst host ( where =20 > Mobius is hosted), powerful mixer/router/splitter and midi =20 > controlled brain. > I find the system very stable and light ( I'm on a single Centrino =20 > 1.86 Gb with 1 Gb or Ram) so that I am gigging and recording with it. > > I really suggest you to check Audiomulch, take into consideration =20 > we're waiting the 2.0 release in a few weeks/months. > > Don't give up ! > > my best, > Luca > www.unguitar.com > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig =20= >> PB seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this =20 >> behavior with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works =20= >> better. The cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches =20 >> that are unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule =20= >> is beyond cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. >> I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the =20 >> interface. But all that did was increase latency beyond playable =20 >> levels. >> My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can =20= >> get a faster machine I'll go back. >> I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the =20 >> limitations because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually =20= >> similer to the glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is =20 >> easier to hide with all those delays. But for now, its back to the =20= >> RC50 for my acoustic stuff. Live and SL are great for the =20 >> electronica gig I have. I just wish Live had the routing flexibilty =20= >> that Bidule has. >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2482 (20070824) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio =C3=A8 stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:11:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E903BF42; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <90245946-CF99-4F06-ABDA-72D7DEF6C182@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:10:58 -0700 References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:11:03 +0000 (UTC) My remote25sl does this automatically. It's pricey but worth it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:26 PM, "Travis Hartnett" wrote: > I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety > of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines > of standard Boss pedals. > > Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings > or names on them--not very usable. There has to be some display to > communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't believe > there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all > the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or > whatever. > > I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide type > controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I > thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with > that host so that the UI would work. Displays are pricey. > > TH > > On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal >> Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 >> knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a >> problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of >> these >> boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have >> issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I stuck >> with the few patches I used a lot. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A3D3BF1E; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0DDFC858-B022-466C-9B80-2D7B1A54208C@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:14:51 -0700 References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <00f101c7e667$bd90ec80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002901c7e67d$b616b370$22441a50$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:14:57 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree. I rarely use more than 3 peramiters at a time except when making a patch. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:36 PM, "Kelly Coyle" wrote: > It could be we need different things -- how many parameters do you > tweak in performance? For me, it isn't so many: wet/dry, how extreme > the effect is (e.g., Q), how fast or slow, and maybe "tone" (or > frequency, or whatever). Add an X control for whatever is strange > about it: shape for tremolo, e.g. In fact, if you could map those four > functions to controllers I bet I could work a large number of VSTs on > the fly, especially if I got to generally set them up (via USB on my > computer) first. I'd guess that if you wanted to use more than three > or so of these boxes, you'd get the lappy. > > > > > On 8/24/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> I think a lot of the appeal of a VST system is having a wide variety >> of plugins, most of which won't be four-knob effects along the lines >> of standard Boss pedals. >> >> Imagine a Boss pedalboard where all the pedals have no knob markings >> or names on them--not very usable. There has to be some display to >> communicate a lot of information back to the user, and I don't >> believe >> there's anything in the VST spec which would make it easy to map all >> the parameters (of wildly varying number) to a keyboard shortcut or >> whatever. >> >> I think I remember one VST rack host that looked like an Eventide >> type >> controller, with four or five softknobs and an LCD display, and I >> thought you had to use plugins which had been designed to work with >> that host so that the UI would work. Displays are pricey. >> >> TH >> >> On 8/24/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: >>> I don't know. You can probably work your PDS 20 OK, or your "Metal >>> Zone" distortion. If the controls weren't rotary encoders, but 0-11 >>> knobs (where the knob position *was* the setting) it shouldn't be a >>> problem for at least a few knobs. Of course, if you had seven of >>> these >>> boxes, or changed the VSTs out all the time, then you might have >>> issues. I never had much of a problem with my Nord Modular if I >>> stuck >>> with the few patches I used a lot. >>> >> >> > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:37:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCB003BF4F; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <40A73CE2-696F-444F-9E2B-BEFF490DE704@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:37:37 -0700 References: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:37:45 +0000 (UTC) You can (and should) find the limits of any system. As someone who's =20 owned every major hardware looper, after the bumps of the setup (they =20= DO take more initial tweaking) the laptop has been the most inspiring =20= music making tool to follow your instrument that you'll ever =20 purchase. It does take patence though, but the reward is worth it. I =20= am the guy who's looking forward to plugging directly in, though. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:50 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Audiomulch seems to be PC only, correct? Ive come to the conclusion =20= > that working with music on a laptop isnt for everybody. The constant =20= > fear of upsetting the great and almighty CPU is very frustrating. =20 > Everything you could ever want is soooo close, but just out of =20 > reach. Heaven forbid you ask too much of the great overlord CPU. You =20= > are then punished with a mighty CRACK, BUZZ, SNAP! You are then =20 > humbled back to your meager little virtual rack of effects and you =20 > keep dreaming of that new, fast and very expensive computer you =20 > cannot afford. > Ahh, but the ugly and much maligned little red boxes never let you =20 > down do they? Sure they come up short in many areas, but you soldier =20= > on with nothing but your wits and a fierce determination to find the =20= > allusive workaround that will let one machine work in a similer way =20= > to another machine you once had, but loved. But IT came up short =20 > too. They all do. They all do. > > MFC > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Luca Formentini >> Hi, >> I have been having the same issues when starting to experiment my =20 >> "pc rack". >> Three years ago I started to check how I could minimize my hardware =20= >> rack >> bringing as many as possible utilities in an audio card and a laptop. >> The two main issues were replacing my two venerable Echoplexes and my >> Sound Sculpture Switchblade. >> For a few months I played with many sw loopers and after some severe >> tests I decided to go with Mobius ( not a great discovery you may =20 >> say ;-)). >> Anyway, the most difficult to replicate characters of my setup was =20= >> the >> very complex signal routing I was doing with the switchblade and =20 >> having >> the chance to control the most of it via midi. >> I have been testing Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. >> Usine was interesting but still very raw and complex with no reason, >> Bidule was showing me the peaks you are getting and Audiomulch seemed >> the more stable, intuitive and simple. >> It's two years I am looping with Audiomulch as a Vst host ( where =20 >> Mobius >> is hosted), powerful mixer/router/splitter and midi controlled brain. >> I find the system very stable and light ( I'm on a single Centrino =20= >> 1.86 >> Gb with 1 Gb or Ram) so that I am gigging and recording with it. >> >> I really suggest you to check Audiomulch, take into consideration =20 >> we're >> waiting the 2.0 release in a few weeks/months. >> >> Don't give up ! >> >> my best, >> Luca >> www.unguitar.com >> >> >> midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> So the cpu spikes I was seeing on the activity viewer on my 1.5gig =20= >>> PB >>> seem to be caused by Bidule. I can't seem to replicate this behavior >>> with any other application. Live 6 with SL actually works better. =20= >>> The >>> cpu spikes were creating dropouts and audio glitches that are >>> unacceptable for live work. The flexible routing in Bidule is beyond >>> cool, but the glitches make it unuseable, for me anyway. >>> I tried raising the audio buffer on both Bidule and/or the =20 >>> interface. >>> But all that did was increase latency beyond playable levels. >>> My laptop looping experiment has failed miserably. Maybe when I can >>> get a faster machine I'll go back. >>> I'm guessing in the Ambient genre its easier to hide the limitations >>> because a lot of the sounds you would use are actually similer to =20= >>> the >>> glitchy clicks I was getting. Plus the latency is easier to hide =20 >>> with >>> all those delays. But for now, its back to the RC50 for my acoustic >>> stuff. Live and SL are great for the electronica gig I have. I just >>> wish Live had the routing flexibilty that Bidule has. >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Informazione NOD32 2482 (20070824) __________ >>> >>> Questo messaggio =C3=A8 stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus = NOD32 >>> http://www.nod32.it >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:53:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF103BF40; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <992A8E8E-6F34-4DF1-AC85-5C7E7C78FA45@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:53:20 -0700 References: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:53:28 +0000 (UTC) I'll define it. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 7:03 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > 2 questions. > 1.How do we add entrys to the wiki? > 2. Who would like to define Looping? > > > MFC > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD >> Thanks, Warren. >> >> It actually wasn't fast, but had been sitting there for a long time >> (as Doug just pointed out). >> >> I only wanted to show that the idea to offer a lot of valuable >> information on LD in a more structured way has been thought about >> before. >> The advantage of a Wiki would be that the content would not need to >> wait for anyone to upload it to LD but instead could be contributed >> by anyone who has the time and the interest. See wikipedia. >> >> Interesting that Web 2.0 hasn't been mentioned on this list yet. The >> cycle where someone proposes to turn LD into a forum has just passed >> again a few weeks ago. But there are so many concepts that have been >> invented since mailing lists (like blogs, tags, wikis, social >> networks, etc.), that LD in particular would profit from. >> >> Bernhard >> >> On 25.08.2007, at 02:55, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >>> Far out, Bernhard. Fast work. >>> >>> Warren >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- >>>> @bernhardwagner.net] >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:40 AM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. >>>> >>>> http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi >>>> >>>> On 24.08.2007, at 10:32, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>> >>>>> yeah, would be great. >>>>> We could put all the technical hints for our gear in there and >>>>> just >>>>> link-reference in the mail postings... >>>>> Buzap >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:54:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3ABE3BF33; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4A194261-50EB-4DEF-8A4E-AFFC4CF66602@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <082520070204.9099.46CF8E410007C5D50000238B2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: potter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:54:19 -0700 References: <082520070204.9099.46CF8E410007C5D50000238B2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Yes, rules. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 7:04 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Please, no rules. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" >> Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk about books. This >> is not >> one of them. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:38 PM >> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: potter >> >> Howdy, >> >> Yep, Bought it at the grocers 3 fridays ago, read it >> on saturday. Good book. >> Rig >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> ________ >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel >> today! >> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 06:58:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00B243BF42; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <08B44F06-145B-491F-BF06-48E64FAC856D@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C25) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C25) Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:58:36 -0700 References: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for this! Great info! I just watched what Kris did and learned... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2007, at 7:44 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: >> >> Audiomulch seems to be PC only, correct? Ive come to the >> conclusion that working with music on a laptop isnt for everybody. >> The constant fear of upsetting the great and almighty CPU is very >> frustrating. Everything you could ever want is soooo close, but >> just out of reach. Heaven forbid you ask too much of the great >> overlord CPU. You are then punished with a mighty CRACK, BUZZ, SNAP! >> > This email is about my battle with CRACK, BUZZ, and SNAP and what I > am doing to win the battle! Hope this isn't too long-winded -- I > hope this saves someone some frustration. Here is my tale: > > 1) Choose a laptop > > Well, I don't know much about laptops and PC's however I had heard > that for audio applications, get as fast a CPU and as much RAM as > you can. So, I found me a nice laptop with a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 and > upgraded it to 2gig. And when I added a Presonus Firepod and Cubase > SX3 and had it working nicely up over 60 tracks with no glitch, I > felt like I had ARRIVED. I dutifully used the MSCONFIG utility to > turn off non-essential services (don't need to run a virus checker > while music making, etc). > > 2) The harbinger of interesting things to come > > All was working well. I did a multi-track project with a stereo mix > -- even used VST plugin compressor and reverb. The only problem was > an occasional pop during playback while sizing windows. Not really > a problem -- a minor annoyance. > > 3) What you don't know will hurt you > > Confident of my equipment, I applied for a performance slot at the > electro-music festival. I decided to delve into surround sound, so > I purchase two additional rear monitors. After all, my Firepod has > plenty of outputs and Cubase SX3 has a surround bus. I'm cookin' > now! And, I decided to include a couple of works that utilize live > looping! Oh... what I got myself into! > > There were plenty of things just waiting to BITE me! > > 4) Live-looping and latency > > I created a work that included some pre-recorded tracks to play in > sync with loops (provided by a number of VST delay lines). Now I am > getting a lot of pops, and crackles. And... I couldn't seem to play > in time! No matter what I did, my rhythm was SLOP. I thought to > myself, "Jeez -- my computer is crackling and I can't play." And I > was kinda torqued because I had tons of memory and CPU power and a > firewire port to boot! Why is the darned thing crackling? > > Well, I did some experimenting and found out that the reason for the > sloppy rhythm was system latency. And, I found out that the pops > were due to an incompatability between the Firepod and my video > chipset! > > 5) Throw money at the problem > > ... the American way! An friend on the electro-music forum > suggested that I purchase an RME800. Well, I did and have never > regretted it. No more clicks and pops and latency below 10 > milliseconds. Now I'm smiling. > > 6) Well, I auditioned for Y2K7 and promised a live-looping set with > no pre-recorded elements. Emboldenned by the Electro-music > experience, I incorporate more hardware fx into my sonic repertoire > and tie up some more inputs on the RME800. And, much to my chagrin > I have to increase the buffer sizes (and thus the system latency) to > avoid crackles and pops. Of course, the rhythm goes to mush with > over 10ms of latency. I thought to myself, "Dang it! I thought I > had this problem licked!" > > 7) Finally, learned more about the PCI bus. We have all heard of > PCI cards, etc. Well, it turns out that the Firewire port is > connected to the PCI bus, along with a lot of other things. Thus, > the cpu and memory may show little utilization however the PCI bus > may be straining under the load. The solution was to create a > seperate hardware profile wherein I disable anything connected to > the PCI bus that is non-essential. For instance, I disabled the > modem, wireless internet card, ethernet card, internal soundcard, > and a few other things. Also, I reduced my video bit depth to > reduce the demands on my meager video card's memory. Now I can work > at latencies <10ms without any glitches. *whew!* > > 8) Enlightenment (for the moment) > > A firewire port has a tremendous amount of bandwidth and obviously a > CPU that runs at over 3Ghz with 2Gig ram should handle a lot. > However, the PCI bus can get overloaded. Not all drivers and > chipsets are created equal. For instance, the Video chipset in my > computer (a Toshiba P35) has limited memory compared to to others > and it tends to hog the PCI bus. Also, the less expensive Presonus > unit apparently does more work in the driver than more expensive > units that do more of their work in their firmware. Also, some > devices violate PCI standards which can wreak havoc with high- > throughput real-time applications such as audio. > > The latency thing? Well, in multi-track recording, the application > (Cubase in my instance) compensates for the latency. The only time > one notices any latency is if one is monitoring from the computers > output stream (the analogy would be to monitor a recording from the > playback head). (Zero latency monitoring bypasses the computer > processing). > > Live looping is an application where you are both monitoring the > output data and playing in sync with the computer. So, the latency > that is unnoticable in a recording situation becomes a big factor > for live looping. > > 9) Moral to the story > > There are many potential bottlenecks as data travels through a > computer and a computer system has numerous devices that compete for > resources. We tend to think of CPU speed, memory, and disk- > throughput. The PCI bus is fast, however beware of devices that > are robbing the PCI bus of bandwidth. In fact, it doesn't hurt to > "shop the application" -- that is, choose your software and hardware > interface first, check the documentation for known incompatabilities > (such as the video chipset), then choose a computer that does the job. > > 10) to be continued > > I'm sure there will be more chapters to this saga yet to be > experienced. :) > > -- Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 09:21:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED9593BF3A; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K122Ush7Y+mZ3WmmCkkOQLudIRcTDsL/oao+ymlJoMPHW+Gg1nB9h1cWb8EdT5Wkd7njf7TYxa9gyJB1/zFlTQZgRjPw1H8DXsEsj+d/YkUoatkd61UtneJR4n+yoUq+AsMRtkWy31M7mSaHbIUu6n013vcF+3J7xB5Y9kkm7og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d1MXnJStCc+qbEcuVQ4pgD+lcN020tcVJHycQBD5HiHoBKxNDqeV4msaF1K9blk0tVTlmzJJG/zY0ZXTt0/u630ynLIFl9LYj98qKyoYjhsliowUX1S/rknxlZFGeEaGitDrLTBRA9djM3M/VwYUm8wr6uwyHSLORKdsGTatjmo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> References: <082420071950.3716.46CF369D000869EF00000E842212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68668978-9397-4C13-A00A-EA8C218D3EDD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:21:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <19okP.A.EYC.SS_zGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:21:22 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2007, at 04.44, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > This email is about my battle with CRACK, BUZZ, and SNAP and what I > am doing to win the battle! Hope this isn't too long-winded -- I > hope this saves someone some frustration. Here is my tale: Excellent write-up, Kevin! We need people, now and then, taking the time to put the pieces together and give us the big picture. > Live looping is an application where you are both monitoring the > output data and playing in sync with the computer. So, the latency > that is unnoticable in a recording situation becomes a big factor > for live looping. Just one comment on the above: Some software loopers do compensate well for latency. Myself I have only done deep testing of Mobius in this regard and I can truly say that this Windows looper does it perfectly well. When looping on Mac I tend to make a different kind music that doesn't need the timing that typically gets ruined by latency. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From arrison@tutopia.com Sat Aug 25 09:22:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1203 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:22:40 UTC Received: from tutopia.com (mail02.tutopia.com [190.60.24.12]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E5B3BF15 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15293 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 09:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail14.ifxnetworks.com) ([190.61.128.24]) (envelope-sender ) by mail02.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Aug 2007 09:02:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: arrison@tutopia.com Subject: COMPENSATION Reply-To: arrison@tutopia.com X-Origin: 41.210.15.246 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:02:16 +0000 X-Uidl: 118803253642484523 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.11 Message-Id: <20070825092238.B3E5B3BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> Dear friend, =0D =0D I am very happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds trans= ferred under the cooperation of a new partner from Farou Island=0D =0D Now, I want you to contact my secretary Mr. George Okoye on the informatio= n below Email: (george_okoye1@yahoo.it)=0D =0D I raised a signes and sealed International Bank Cheque of Seven Hundred and= Fifty Thousand United States Dollars ($750,000.00) which I kept for your c= ompensation for your humanity. =0D =0D Furnish him with your informations like;=0D =0D =0D (1)Your Contact Address..................=0D (2)Your Phone Numbers..................=0D (3)Home or Office Address........=0D =0D Best Regards,=0D Rtd John Arrison=0D =0D =0D =0D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 09:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC3F73BF3B; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop Looping - Mobius latency compensation Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:25:28 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7e6f9$e08869b0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <68668978-9397-4C13-A00A-EA8C218D3EDD@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acfm+U3Ozs8Vz84wRtuarxVWVNOmugAAFKcw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIREoculox8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, > compensate well for latency. Myself I have only done deep > testing of Mobius in this regard and I can truly say that > this Windows looper does it perfectly well. When looping on to you the archangel of latency compensation in Mobius (with Jeff being the godfather?): Does this latency compensation thingie also work when Mobius is run as a plugin? Can you turn it on and off while Mobius is running? I was recently faced with this challenge due to a mixed use of acoustic/electronic sources. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 09:40:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65E2B3BF3B; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop Looping Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:40:44 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c7e6fc$021c1390$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070824214417.0qoplpq5w8k4gwww@69.89.21.76> Thread-Index: AcfmwdbKSPSUKzu0RMCfRPvpdUhJ3gAOA3Xg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIREoculox8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, thanks for your very informative writeup. There are a few things I would want to add here: > glitch, I felt like I had ARRIVED. I dutifully used the > MSCONFIG utility to turn off non-essential services (don't > need to run a virus checker while music making, etc). Didn't even know about MSCONFIG - I usually ran thru the registry by hand. Another resource to mention ist musicxp.net, a website specialized on XP tuning tips for audio applications. > -- even used VST plugin compressor and reverb. The only > problem was an occasional pop during playback while sizing > windows. Not really a problem -- a minor annoyance. I'm curios: did this problem get solved when you switched to the Fireface? > 4) Live-looping and latency > Well, I did some experimenting and found out that the reason > for the sloppy rhythm was system latency. And, I found out > that the pops were due to an incompatability between the > Firepod and my video chipset! About latency a sloppy rhythms: Per already mentioned that Cubase SX does some kind of latency compensation, which is however optimized for its use as a recording DAW, not as a live-playing tool. My rule when working with Ableton Live (using VSTis as well as electric guitar running through Ableton Live as signal sources) was: 1. Never monitor the input signal (of the guitar), only listen to the laptop's output signal (main or cue) 2. turn off latency compensation in Live A problem arises for the unexperienced player when using acoustic sources (the hardest being singing, as you can't effectively combat hearing the sources signal). I'm going to try attacking this with Mobius (also, as Per mentioned). About the pops: This seems to be a known problem with Presonus hardware combined with specific Firewire chipsets (in the computer) and some graphic adapters. A friend of mine who uses a Presonus Inspire interface had addressed Presonus support about this very same problem. Their solution: add a (PCMCIA) Firewire adapter to his computer and turn the internal firewire adapter off. Problem solved. The German way - use your brains :-P > PCI bus that is non-essential. For instance, I disabled the > modem, wireless internet card, ethernet card, internal > soundcard, and a few other things. Also, I reduced my video Disabling wLAN is especially important here, as some network adapters tend to nearly lock up the system when they negotiate transfers with a new participant. This is normally no problem for wire-based ethernet adapters, as you usually will not find new networks when playing a live set, however, this seems to be a big and well-known problem with wLAN adapters (Somebody in the building might just turn on or off his router etc.). Many laptops offer a hardware switch to turn off all wireless communication hardware. > 10) to be continued Looking forward to it! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 10:54:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C173BF3B; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:54:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) On 25.08.2007, at 04:03, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > 2 questions. > 1.How do we add entrys to the wiki? See http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > 2. Who would like to define Looping? AAAAHHHHH!!!! (please wade the archives, structure the results, and pack it into the wiki) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 11:39:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF21E3BF3A; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: READING Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Mark Sottilaro wrote: "Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk about books. This is not one of them." Here I have to agree to disagree with you, Mark. This is an extremely creative community that is a very multi-talented and multi-dimensional one..............one that is fairly intimate too, as online communities go. It is fascinating to me to see how different kinds of art cross pollinate with the people who make looping music on this list. I do think that we should discipline ourselves to always including an offtopic OT indicator in our posts and , frankly, to have a subthread on Harry Potter feels like it begs the issue* but I my feeling is that the answers to this question about what we are reading informs the looping community as much as what we are listening to or what we are performing or recording. You can always subscribe to the daily digest and just fail to read anything that is on this thread or take 30 seconds to put a filter on your email program to make anything with an OT: READING header disappear with the rest of your spam messages. I, for one, have enjoyed this thread and to me it's very relevant to live looping because we are multi-faceted artists who are informed by many different kinds of things. yours, Rick Walker *I'm not opposed to saying you've read the new Harry Potter (or watched the latest movie or listened to the latest movies sound score) I just think that since this is an off topic topic, that we should minimize it's presence on the list by retaining the same thread name. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 12:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 684CF3BF33; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qlXCRh/BOyD96tpmAd2tdr6xsPZYr+5reuTtqRKES4rMZ9N9kLrvpNQSU5T7sAPVn9tz4fTg/7I2RyP2zYrfNGi1RuUMF6/0dvUv030xRXtu8cfUT3f/T7r28tle//62bKdtZGiAzw2RsuZ/lUfJfDXqZS0gLnsCRv4QqQP5zo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XqWtDuXFZIXmelclLrD2NGIqDvqGYjzm4cHogz2TTTeQyzhenET8Br+7G5TRLGwqbhkjNr2bYCqFOQI5HQrfqe70NZkqKz2kSrr8bsB0+H7/4PZp5gcQGGF6s/LVRob8sTOFWUdQ2osLb3UubT1QVCm9N25ffV9eCxQ1WLrZP0c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c7e6f9$e08869b0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c7e6f9$e08869b0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A5BC079-AE4B-4630-8E44-470F7AE2C170@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Laptop Looping - Mobius latency compensation Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:03:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:03:18 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2007, at 11.25, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi Per, > >> compensate well for latency. Myself I have only done deep >> testing of Mobius in this regard and I can truly say that >> this Windows looper does it perfectly well. When looping on > > to you the archangel of latency compensation in Mobius (with Jeff > being the > godfather?): > > Does this latency compensation thingie also work when Mobius is run > as a > plugin? Yes. > Can you turn it on and off while Mobius is running? No, I don't think so. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 12:30:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB36F3BF44; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YoRsx0QF0Msxhf2H4bHDVcZECQnYKYgzFjQHQtxB70BVrPcnLPaiU4v9400jBQr9G+xMHwS09TnhtuIz3ihrLreuf8FcQ6vn8D+IO+Wim0mgUqrnDGP8qNtXqU2vgEvSGH6ZsrmIt7no/HN46Z7ZB7QdvrTDIlDQ/9Ie3oOodhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=F2f2uMJ0C/FKiibHjT3S20wHbjQWdHs8AKVQYQjnE50Pb3idunmbZbYzswajnBRmzmB4desFmkWAOcIlQh5A10zQYxjt9iguhzafUZS09PVvuXJZfunk6hLXlXL7mih3CUw5FKpv/pgo9tzdMhbiVf5G2qgskwt1+yJMRPfGOK0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c7e6fc$021c1390$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000401c7e6fc$021c1390$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Laptop Looping Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:30:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:30:21 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2007, at 11.40, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > A problem arises for the unexperienced player when using acoustic > sources > (the hardest being singing, as you can't effectively combat hearing > the > sources signal). I'm going to try attacking this with Mobius (also, > as Per > mentioned). Since my laptop looping rig is working without noise artifact problems I'd like to post some notes on how it's set up: I use the method recommended by the manual to let Mobius adapt to the hardware AD/DA latency (sending on output back into another input). Mobius then calculates the time for the process and as soon as you layer live audio into a loop it will be shifted in time to appear at the correct position as the loop plays back. When I have been feeding Mobius a digital signal (no latency) I have adjusted the latency setting by ear. This is easy if you use percussive source audio. The rig that calls for this method is when playing EWI MIDI into a Mac's virtual instruments and sending the audio output as S/PDIF into the PC where looping is performed in Mobius. In Mobius I do not use the "Monitor INput" function (global preferences). Instead I split the signal after the first "general sound shaping plug-in" (almost exclusively a PSP608) and before all other effect plug-ins (some quite long chains of plug-ins PRE looper). Now, one signal goes directly from this PSP608 to the Mobius input. This is a trick to minimize the real-time playing latency. As for reverb, delay etc I don't mind if they are 20-30 milliseconds late when getting looped, but the stuff I play has to be accurate (i.e. 6-12 milliseconds late). On some rare patches I don't even route my live input (instrument) signal into the looper. I simply route the input through a PSP608 and directly to the audio interface output while the effect treated signal chain goes into the looper (delay + reverb passing through beat synced filter bank). > Disabling wLAN is especially important here, Oh... maybe I need to say that I always disabling most of those things if I use a Windows machine for audio (with Mac's I just turn of the screen saver and the energy saving options). I don't use anti virus software or update Windows XP once I have set it up to work well. The laptop I have for Mobius I ordered specifically with no such extra components. Only the motherboard, graphic card and CPU recommended for audio. Hardware recommendations are changing all the time and my PC is two years old and thus quite "obsolete" for a laptop purchase today. I have good experiences with using audio interfaces from RME and I'm sticking with them because they work well. In the past I bought an RME (multiface) because other users had good experiences with them, especially with pc's built on the same hardware components I was ordering for mine. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 14:10:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48DB3BF3D; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:11:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7e721$ccbaa6f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfnIcxxt8tMTLwIRhO0g49Kes5OWw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ2+pc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) A lot of people here seem to be using the Fireface400 or Fireface800, = and some of them are using even both (Hi Luca), so I'd like to do a = comparison of both and ask whether I missed anything here: Since some people need more than the 2 micpres supplied by the = Fireface400, I also considered a variant with a Quadmic. So here we go: Fireface 800 Fireface 400 FF400+Quadmic Price(Street) =E2=82=AC1219 =E2=82=AC879 =E2=82=AC1254 Form factor fullrack halfrack fullrack I/O In: Micpre 4 2 6 In: total 10 8 8 Out: total 10 8 8 digi I/O 16 8 8 MIDI I/O 1 2 2 Standalone mixer * * LineIn limiter * Summarizing: both interfaces seem to be lacking for applications which = require lots of microphones - for a singing drummer e.g., both the FF400 = and the FF800 don't offer enough micpres. There is the option of = extending the interfaces with similar-quality micpres using the quadmic = or octamic pres by RME, at a price - the combo of FF400 and Quadmic = (which gives you 6 pres, prolly enough for most solo applications) is = even more expensive than the FF800. There are a few small details which might be of interest to some users. = The FF400's standalone mixer functionality is great if your computer = crashes mid-performance. On the other hand, the FF800's limiter saves = you yet another device (and thus rack real estate), especially when = going into the interface with transient-prone instruments (e.g. bass = guitar). Sadly, it's not available for the mic ins. And again, the = additional pair of MIDI I/O of the FF400 might also save you another = device in the setup. Worth mentioning (but I guess not for our typical = applications) is the additional pair of ADAT I/O on the FF800. Did I miss something here? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 14:38:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898433BF4F; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <2A5BC079-AE4B-4630-8E44-470F7AE2C170@gmail.com> References: <000301c7e6f9$e08869b0$1001a8c0@succubus> <2A5BC079-AE4B-4630-8E44-470F7AE2C170@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0722ADF2-67F9-429F-9519-34246BC5B59B@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: AW: Laptop Looping - Mobius latency compensation Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:37:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) > Can you turn it on and off while Mobius is running? Yes, the amount of latency compensation is defined by the "Override Input Latency Frames" and "Override Output Latency Frames" parameters in the Audio Devices dialog. If there is no value here, or if the value is zero, I ask the audio device for what it thinks the latency will be. Some devices return accurate latency values, some don't. The value is displayed to the right of the two override number fields. You can tweak these values while Mobius is running. If you have Monitor Input turned on, the input will be passed to the output so you will hear the input delayed by the total system latency. In this case you usually want to turn off Mobius input latency compensation because you are already mentally compensating. While checking this I noticed that you probably can't turn off latency compensation by putting a zero in the two override boxes. If there is a zero here I ask the device and most devices report a non-zero latency. So you probably need to put a 1 here which will be undetectable. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 14:38:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACEDA3BF59; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q75ZLpxQ2TNxJThR6dKYSIXFdOwyJqUqJQ6xhP7aFIg+ty5VlLLxnc/8JKfoGm4VcCRv7QQbRGixgvfGrKE8bx+llkP382qTG7QWN9/ZNu8Nmil/TWLEHdq3a/GhOBfvpeSK7MHUDmbZpnS1HD7OxuUoBnSm/BKgWSGvWc2Bnj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=okM4P29bsh9z3JHNc7kiJV1kG354JUzNHc2L5aBTKZmvMCSIJzQB3RgoOQW0f8+GX4jTLwY/XjhDb8TwvIFmbduwQCu/cNkaj2Pyoso9C6jVmSqqrwM+Stu1tjVKeJ5kUk5waEFjUDpVmOIbD7vxw44hWeaTfzFK25ruXy8zor8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:38:31 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 In-Reply-To: <0DDFC858-B022-466C-9B80-2D7B1A54208C@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <0DDFC858-B022-466C-9B80-2D7B1A54208C@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Even if you only use three parameters on an individual plugin while performing (which sounds reasonable), there's the question of doing the initial programming, installation, tweaking, etc. Plus, from the posts I've read over the years, musicians who use lap tops in performance seem to prefer using many plugins at a given time, and having access to parameters for each of those plugs, and the abiltiy to change entire chains of effects. I think most people who'd be interested in this sort of device would want a full-screen type interface, which would require either a video out port (takes up space, costs money, requires you to address the issue of video drivers) that you could connect a monitor to, or that you do all that setup work on a PC and then transfer the parameters to the VST host box. The idea of doing any sort of significant editing or setup work via a small LCD display sounds really unappealing to me. Consider--who wants to use a computer at even 800x600 resolution these days? It can be done, but...yuck. The idea of a compact VST standalone host that you can use on stage without having to bring a lap top starts to get watered down if you have a USB keyboard and a display to really make it work. I suspect the end result would be more expensive than a laptop, since the market is very small, and offer less overall utility (all those other things people use computers for). Consider--how strong were the sales of that previously mentioned two-space VST host? TH On 8/24/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I totally agree. I rarely use more than 3 peramiters at a time except > when making a patch. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:36 PM, "Kelly Coyle" wrote: > > > It could be we need different things -- how many parameters do you > > tweak in performance? For me, it isn't so many: wet/dry, how extreme > > the effect is (e.g., Q), how fast or slow, and maybe "tone" (or > > frequency, or whatever). Add an X control for whatever is strange > > about it: shape for tremolo, e.g. In fact, if you could map those four > > functions to controllers I bet I could work a large number of VSTs on > > the fly, especially if I got to generally set them up (via USB on my > > computer) first. I'd guess that if you wanted to use more than three > > or so of these boxes, you'd get the lappy. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 15:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26EE3BF33; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Laptop Looping - Mobius latency compensation Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:31:44 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7e72d$0b1af890$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <0722ADF2-67F9-429F-9519-34246BC5B59B@zonemobius.com> Thread-Index: AcfnJYl/inPSlj6+T/eOCqlBMBaMKQABwMDA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ2+pc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:31:22 +0000 (UTC) > Yes, the amount of latency compensation is defined by the > "Override Input Latency Frames" and "Override Output Latency > Frames" parameters in the Audio Devices dialog. If there is > no value here, or if the value is zero, I ask the audio > device for what it thinks the latency will be. Some devices I pick up with the question I asked Per already: how would this work when running Mobius within a VST host? What will a 0 value result in? Will latency compensation (with manually entered values) work at all? Will calibration work? > You can tweak these values while Mobius is running. If you Ok, my application would be: in a possible setup, I may be looping electric/electronic instruments (which I'm monitoring post-computer, hence I'm what you call "mentally compensating") and acoustic instruments where I can't do that. So I'd like to have a button (MIDI or keyboard) to toggle latency compensation between off/undetectable and on (set to a specific value). Will this work with scripts? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 17:12:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2F93BF3D; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:12:53 EDT Subject: bad equipment happens to good people To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be7.1e3c5976.3401bd15_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:12:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_be7.1e3c5976.3401bd15_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .....so i take my little kit from my hot hot hot third floor studio to my oh so kool livingroom and practice and fine tune it for a day before my FARMHOUSE COFFEE gig.....many moons ago i had a pickup installed in my acoustic and does it sound wonderful, the dulcet tones would make a brick cry.....i'm set so i think.....get to the gig.....sweet venue, beautiful outdoor, woodsy patio but toooo hot for lee the sax player so inside we go.....lee sez "this is a pretty conservative group (it's a christian coffee house), can you play xyz?" "no" sez i, 59 years of abuse and encroaching altzheimers have removed all these tunes from my jazzbo daze....."well here are some charts, these will be the tunes we will play" "ok" sez i, a little worried but more than willing to push on.....after a few mins. my sound went from bad to worse....."turn up" sez lee.....needless to say this was not an option with my acoustic.....then every minute or so my sound would stop compleatly for a few seconds then come back.....must be the rang, so i pull out the power chord and reinsert it, no go.....it got to the point where i then plugged directly into the little vox amp, no effects, just me and my guit.....same thing happens.....so it's the amp! aha!.....what would make a digital little amp do that, cut out for a few seconds, very disconcerting especially while looping.....so out goes the amp and i'm into the house PA.....big speaker right behind me so more feedback than you can shake a whale at.....amazingly i was not that freaked and took the negative energy i was feeling and started playing like a totally mad goon.....the christians had already left the building leaving only a few of my buds, lee and the owner of the coffee house with his two helpers.....they, myself included enjoyed this more so than the anal music of the first set.....the owner seemed to dig it but i don't know about lee (he never really speaks to me which is what blew my mind at our frist gig several months ago).....so what sounded like heaven here in my kool livingroom turned into a mad beast that bit me in the ass.....BUT THE SHOW MUST GO ON!.....in some strange way i enjoyed myself even though there were many rick walker moments to this gig.....beasties! unplug them and move on i guess.....i was going to bring my guild to y2k7, I LOVE IT but.....perhaps i'm not a good person.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_be7.1e3c5976.3401bd15_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .....so i take my little kit from my ho= t hot hot third floor studio to my oh so kool livingroom and practice and fi= ne tune it for a day before my FARMHOUSE COFFEE gig.....many moons ago i had= a pickup installed in my acoustic and does it sound wonderful, the dulcet t= ones would make a brick cry.....i'm set so i think.....get to the gig.....sw= eet venue, beautiful outdoor, woodsy patio but toooo hot for lee the sax pla= yer so inside we go.....lee sez "this is a pretty conservative group (it's a= christian coffee house), can you play xyz?" "no" sez i, 59 years of abuse a= nd encroaching altzheimers have removed all these tunes from my jazzbo daze.= ...."well here are some charts, these will be the tunes we will play" "ok" s= ez i, a little worried but more than willing to push on.....after a few mins= . my sound went from bad to worse....."turn up" sez lee.....needless to say=20= this was not an option with my acoustic.....then every minute or so my sound= would stop compleatly for a few seconds then come back.....must be the rang= , so i pull out the power chord and reinsert it, no go.....it got to the poi= nt where i then plugged directly into the little vox amp, no effects, just m= e and my guit.....same thing happens.....so it's the amp! aha!.....what woul= d make a digital little amp do that, cut out for a few seconds, very disconc= erting especially while looping.....so out goes the amp and i'm into the hou= se PA.....big speaker right behind me so more feedback than you can shake a=20= whale at.....amazingly i was not that freaked and took the negative energy i= was feeling and started playing like a totally mad goon.....the christians=20= had already left the building leaving only a few of my buds, lee and the own= er of the coffee house with his two helpers.....they, myself included enjoye= d this more so than the anal music of the first set.....the owner seemed to=20= dig it but i don't know about lee (he never really speaks to me which is wha= t blew my mind at our frist gig several months ago).....so what sounded like= heaven here in my kool livingroom turned into a mad beast that bit me in th= e ass.....BUT THE SHOW MUST GO ON!.....in some strange way i enjoyed myself=20= even though there were many rick walker moments to this gig.....beasties! un= plug them and move on i guess.....i was going to bring my guild to y2k7, I L= OVE IT but.....perhaps i'm not a good person.....:).....michael



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_be7.1e3c5976.3401bd15_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 17:18:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6723BF53; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=M9XpSA9A1afxwcBf5mCYPlcG6XA4jD5glBFnzVEXXcuK5AUcmZX3AmURVmR8k3Iy6G+JlyFXELgUxSNrFYzwaiUUHQYwptNAu9K9GAbNv8VLR+UOmVJXvlxeDxXe+MXkh703WxPOdW+QbIMCQ53uDTY1kb1c/FJc+CORx18SYJA=; X-YMail-OSG: uGAcUuwVM1n9wzS8yq.OcTjItTtigdfiKpx8FAQv7dRqpkwbXip5eLGeQDnlcwZNudtUXKR10J6UFwgoXSDDixjSLHsf8YtVk5NaKHWoC52i425OYPA.5VKMtJZRCRg- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:18:41 +0000 (UTC) > The latency thing? Well, in multi-track recording, the application > (Cubase in my instance) compensates for the latency. The only time > one notices any latency is if one is monitoring from the computers > output stream (the analogy would be to monitor a recording from the > playback head). (Zero latency monitoring bypasses the computer > processing). > > Live looping is an application where you are both monitoring the > output data and playing in sync with the computer. So, the latency > that is unnoticable in a recording situation becomes a big factor > for live looping. > That's why I monitor through Mobius- to keep the timing straight. Actually I always monitor through whatever program I'm using, and have for quite a while. Easier to do accurate punch ins and so on. So yes, in a technical sense, monitoring through the program adds latency, but for me, it feels just the opposite. It's monitoring the direct through the soundcard that throws me off. Anyone else feel this way? -rabbi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 17:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4F233BF40; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D06868.4040307@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:36 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) References: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-kevyB.A.GNB.OYG0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rabbi, yes, I do the same. But I must add that I am getting a very low latency, so it is not a big issue anyway. Mobius is very well done at this regard. luca www.unguitar.com >So yes, in a technical sense, monitoring through the program adds >latency, but for me, it feels just the opposite. It's monitoring the >direct through the soundcard that throws me off. > >Anyone else feel this way? > >-rabbi > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Luggage? GPS? Comic books? >Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search >http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2484 (20070825) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 17:33:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A91D3BF67; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jajXsB/mGvggS3MWy7hyD9uMRIIfIS13ZgJ2h69fFnVdf6YR/7Xda5B3mRuewfZy5KTaQTiOTuxg3n6rFaAYDyiMj7pAZHSvOHYnGfrDwEgC7qw156w5n7FWZcfu+RsvUPp2JkbvaO/K6xnDVmkbrQU7iOMD06UjAHnJYO61SR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qTl/Qw0hu2PBL08zhZJ+1ZLcRLrERFdqMtmQvjaD4zPSx3fuS/EnHJkdAVZJRjsBBfzVtjS7tAOLZDU0gkv6vVTYhofQMan7c2uaebVSPesb4AU1nMWqyJKN9ODlI5kHDox0NPNiHNQhQ9ypjJCxI9KDQQEJ9muRy5bb0V1GM0g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:33:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:33:56 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2007, at 19.18, rabbirabbifive wrote: > That's why I monitor through Mobius- to keep the timing straight. > Actually I always monitor through whatever program I'm using, and have > for quite a while. Easier to do accurate punch ins and so on. > > So yes, in a technical sense, monitoring through the program adds > latency, but for me, it feels just the opposite. It's monitoring the > direct through the soundcard that throws me off. > > Anyone else feel this way? No. A while back, when I used a TC Electronix Fireworx as the first stage mic preamp and effect rack I always monitored directly from the soundcard (going digitally from TC Electronix into sound card/ computer, so the AD latency happened in the TC). It worked out fine. The rule is that if you have a full sound acoustically (pre laptop) you may risk phasing errors if monitoring through the computer, if the instruments acoustic sound is heard together with the delayed monitor sound. However, now I have been forced to sell off that TC device and I now monitor through through the computer, through certain plug-ins that shape my sound. It's just a little more latency but not worse than stepping back two meters from a guitar amp while playing. > That's why I monitor through Mobius- to keep the timing straight. Mobius doesn't delay the signal, it's just a pass-through bridge. Latency happens at three major stages: At the AD conversion when the signal enters the software domain (digitalization), when passing through certain plug-ins (not all, some plug-ins are able to process the signal without delaying it) and finally at the DA conversion at the sound card's output. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 18:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20EE3BF56; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:02:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1024057560==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112019ff9d715f7cde415c1c8442164d07fb41697ec08ba16a4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:02:19 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1024057560==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Raul, Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!! The 2880 (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the list: CC# DV 2880 Parameter 9 0 to 127 Clix level 20 0 to 127 Live signals monitor level 21 0 to 127 Track 1 play/feedback level 22 0 to 127 Track 2 play/feedback level 23 0 to 127 Track 3 play/feedback level 24 0 to 127 Track 4 play/feedback level 25 0 to 127 Mix track play/feedback level 26 0 to 127 Tempo slider 27 0 to 127 Live signals pan 28 0 to 127 Track 1 pan 29 0 to 127 Track 2 pan 30 0 to 127 Track 3 pan 31 0 to 127 Track 4 pan 102 127 Push REC button 103 127 Push NEW button 104 127 Push PLAY button 105 127 Push TRACK SELECT button 106 127 Push EXT SYNC button 107 127 Push MIXDOWN button 108 127 Push STEREO button 109 127 Push REVERSE button 110 127 Push OCTAVE button 111 127 Push PUNCH-IN button 112 127 Push QUANTIZE button 124 0 Change to OMNI=OFF 125 0 Change to OMNI=ON There must be at least 300mS between each button push message. MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES The 2880 also interprets certain Program change messages as button pushes and mute/unmute commands. A program change message has one information byte, P0 (0 to 127), but this is usually presented to the user as being 1 to 128, shown below as P1. P0 P1 2880 Parameter 80 81 Push PLAY button 81 82 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 82 83 Mute/unmute track 2's play ** 83 84 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** 84 85 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 85 86 Push REC button 86 87 Select track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 87 88 Select track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 88 89 Select track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 89 90 Select track 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 90 91 Push NEW button 91 92 Push QUANTIZE button 92 93 Push REC button 93 94 Push PLAY button 94 95 Push REVERSE button 95 96 Push TRACK SELECT button 96 97 Push STEREO button 97 98 Push PUNCH-IN button 98 99 Push EXT SYNC button 99 100 Push OCTAVE button 100 101 Push PLAY button 101 102 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 102 103 Mute/unmute track 2's play ** 103 104 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** 104 105 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 105 106 Push REC button 106 107 Push MIXDOWN button 107 108 Mute/unmute mix track's play ** 108 109 Mute/unmute Dry Out ** 109 110 Mute/unmute clix level ** 110 111 Mute/unmute all play tracks *** ** The single channel mute/unmute action works as follows: If the channel's level is greater than zero when the command is received then the channel will be muted. If the channel's level is zero when the command is received then the level will be set either to that of 2880's panel fader or to that of the last CC message (20..24), depending on which was most recently effective. *** When a mute/unmute all-play-tracks command is received all play tracks will be muted if ANY of them is greater than zero. If ALL of them are zero then each will be set to fader or CC level. MIDI OUT (MIDI THRU) 2880 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI out connector. But in Internal sync mode it does not relay the sequencer commands: STOP START CONT CLOCK. >hi friends, > >just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's >possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc >on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have >MIDI I/O. > >thanks in advance, > >raul. > >-- >The Playing Orchestra: >http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >Chain Tape Collective: >http://www.ct-collective.com >TPO at myspace: >http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1024057560==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!!
Raul,

Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!!

The 2880  (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the list:


   CC#    DV         2880 Parameter
   9      0 to 127   Clix level
   20     0 to 127   Live signals monitor level
   21     0 to 127   Track 1 play/feedback level
   22     0 to 127   Track 2 play/feedback level
   23     0 to 127   Track 3 play/feedback level
   24     0 to 127   Track 4 play/feedback level
   25     0 to 127   Mix track play/feedback level
   26     0 to 127   Tempo slider
   27     0 to 127   Live signals pan
   28     0 to 127   Track 1 pan
   29     0 to 127   Track 2 pan
   30     0 to 127   Track 3 pan
   31     0 to 127   Track 4 pan
   102    127        Push REC button
   103    127        Push NEW button
   104    127        Push PLAY button
   105    127        Push TRACK SELECT button
   106    127        Push EXT SYNC button
   107    127        Push MIXDOWN button
   108    127        Push STEREO button
   109    127        Push REVERSE button
   110    127        Push OCTAVE button
   111    127        Push PUNCH-IN button
   112    127        Push QUANTIZE button
   124    0          Change to OMNI=OFF
   125    0          Change to OMNI=ON
 
         There must be at least 300mS between each button push message. 
 
 MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES
        The 2880 also interprets certain Program change messages as button pushes
     and mute/unmute commands.  A program change message has one information
     byte, P0 (0 to 127),  but this is usually presented to the user as being
     1 to 128, shown below as P1.
 
 
P0  P1   2880 Parameter
80  81   Push PLAY button
81  82   Mute/unmute track 1's play      **
82  83   Mute/unmute track 2's play      ** 
83  84   Mute/unmute track 3's play      **
84  85   Mute/unmute track 4's play      **
85  86   Push REC button
86  87   Select track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo)
87  88   Select track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo)
88  89   Select track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo)
89  90   Select track 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo)
90  91   Push NEW button
91  92   Push QUANTIZE button
92  93   Push REC button
93  94   Push PLAY button
94  95   Push REVERSE button
95  96   Push TRACK SELECT button
96  97   Push STEREO button
97  98   Push PUNCH-IN button
98  99   Push EXT SYNC button
99  100  Push OCTAVE button
100 101  Push PLAY button
101 102  Mute/unmute track 1's play      **
102 103  Mute/unmute track 2's play      ** 
103 104  Mute/unmute track 3's play      ** 
104 105  Mute/unmute track 4's play      **
105 106  Push REC button
106 107  Push MIXDOWN button
107 108  Mute/unmute mix track's play    **
108 109  Mute/unmute Dry Out             **
109 110  Mute/unmute clix level          **
110 111  Mute/unmute all play tracks     ***
 
**  The single channel mute/unmute action works as follows:
    If the channel's level is greater than zero when the command is 
  received then the channel will be muted.   If the channel's level
  is zero when the command is received then the level will be set
  either to that of 2880's panel fader or to that of the last CC
  message (20..24), depending on which was most recently effective. 
*** When a mute/unmute all-play-tracks command is received all play
  tracks will be muted if ANY of them is greater than zero.  If
  ALL of them are zero then each will be set to fader or CC level.
 
  MIDI OUT (MIDI THRU)
        2880 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI out 
     connector.   But in Internal sync mode it does not relay the 
     sequencer commands:  STOP START CONT CLOCK.

hi friends,

just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's
possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc
on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have
MIDI I/O.

thanks in advance,

raul.

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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra


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--============_-1024057560==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 18:18:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2763BF42; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_92ddb551-6894-4aef-bc83-caec89980d17_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.98] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:18:31 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <264227.42354.qm@web60314.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2007 18:18:32.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[57EFE380:01C7E744] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:18:33 +0000 (UTC) --_92ddb551-6894-4aef-bc83-caec89980d17_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Great writeup back there Rainer. =20 One thing that hasn't been mentioned but I am assuming most people know:Sof= tware aside, you will get the lowest latency using a device which is not ju= st ASIO compliant, but has a native ASIO driver (as opposed to a device tha= t can be used by ASIO4All, but does not have an ASIO driver of it's own). =20 the SME800 is such a device of course, but so are a variety of cheaper devi= ces ... such as anything by M-AUDIO as well as the EDIROL firewire series (= which also manages up to 10 inputs and 10 outputs ... not bad for ~$300).=20 =20 Another vital thing ... we all like the way windows keeps all sorts of crap= running in the background, and Rainer is definitely right to mention MSCON= FIG as it is very important to turn some stuff off, otherwise some damn pro= gram will always be trying to download the latest version of itself right a= s you are finishing your solo, and cause a nice little hiccup in the loops. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Space= s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3Dcreate&wx_url=3D/friends.= aspx&mkt=3Den-us= --_92ddb551-6894-4aef-bc83-caec89980d17_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Great writeup back there Rainer.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned but I am assuming most people know:Software aside, you will get the lowest latency using a device which is no= t just ASIO compliant, but has a native ASIO driver (as opposed to a device= that can be used by ASIO4All, but does not have an ASIO driver of it's own= ).
 
the SME800 is such a device of course, but so are a variety of cheaper= devices ... such as anything by M-AUDIO as well as the EDIROL firewire ser= ies (which also manages up to 10 inputs and 10 outputs ... not bad for= ~$300). 
 
Another vital thing ... we all like the way windows keeps all sorts of= crap running in the background, and Rainer is definitely right to mention = MSCONFIG as it is very important to turn some stuff off, otherwise some dam= n program will always be trying to download the latest version of itself ri= ght as you are finishing your solo, and cause a nice little hiccup in the l= oops.
 

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Try it! = --_92ddb551-6894-4aef-bc83-caec89980d17_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 18:54:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328E63BF37; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aWxiWSNPK1zy9EXj8UjiHJzfr8a3JGxRWGWtDNOdtJYonzLpAeEC/Nul/hgrN0YlG1ubeZzTYL+79ED1hV+7r4BCgdXWLFSuRyedU4xhXjcQYeClugxtQbmzMFEms4v/A/rLpYXKM28MZbQcEEhKTLLiImO/qjcl/AV0yTrBgnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=upe99RLML+GUubx5XPTNWdiPIrT3Cwo+aN9921C3JH+5xi2SiB/H/fGaX4vR8Fwg/tQOMKB29fzhfS+9JZddcfaP3gDxl2RmN/W0KxO9igr+m7ESKNJN7kIblx6ywFu2p4VHm5wAzGzBZWdnPXA+WG8FeX4K6vJ8UeWrnxbG1HI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:54:16 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:54:20 +0000 (UTC) I apologize for being wrong! This is not reflected in my paperwork, or else I have a pre-1.5 unit, or else I was looking at the wrong paperwork. Your source for wrong info, K On 8/25/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > Raul, > > > Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!! > > > The 2880 (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the list: > > > > > CC# DV 2880 Parameter > 9 0 to 127 Clix level > 20 0 to 127 Live signals monitor level > 21 0 to 127 Track 1 play/feedback level > 22 0 to 127 Track 2 play/feedback level > 23 0 to 127 Track 3 play/feedback level > 24 0 to 127 Track 4 play/feedback level > 25 0 to 127 Mix track play/feedback level > 26 0 to 127 Tempo slider > 27 0 to 127 Live signals pan > 28 0 to 127 Track 1 pan > 29 0 to 127 Track 2 pan > 30 0 to 127 Track 3 pan > 31 0 to 127 Track 4 pan > 102 127 Push REC button > 103 127 Push NEW button > 104 127 Push PLAY button > 105 127 Push TRACK SELECT button > 106 127 Push EXT SYNC button > 107 127 Push MIXDOWN button > 108 127 Push STEREO button > 109 127 Push REVERSE button > 110 127 Push OCTAVE button > 111 127 Push PUNCH-IN button > 112 127 Push QUANTIZE button > 124 0 Change to OMNI=OFF > 125 0 Change to OMNI=ON > > There must be at least 300mS between each button push message. > > MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES > The 2880 also interprets certain Program change messages as button > pushes > and mute/unmute commands. A program change message has one > information > byte, P0 (0 to 127), but this is usually presented to the user as > being > 1 to 128, shown below as P1. > > > P0 P1 2880 Parameter > 80 81 Push PLAY button > 81 82 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** > 82 83 Mute/unmute track 2's play ** > 83 84 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** > 84 85 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** > 85 86 Push REC button > 86 87 Select track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) > 87 88 Select track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) > 88 89 Select track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) > 89 90 Select track 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) > 90 91 Push NEW button > 91 92 Push QUANTIZE button > 92 93 Push REC button > 93 94 Push PLAY button > 94 95 Push REVERSE button > 95 96 Push TRACK SELECT button > 96 97 Push STEREO button > 97 98 Push PUNCH-IN button > 98 99 Push EXT SYNC button > 99 100 Push OCTAVE button > 100 101 Push PLAY button > 101 102 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** > 102 103 Mute/unmute track 2's play ** > 103 104 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** > 104 105 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** > 105 106 Push REC button > 106 107 Push MIXDOWN button > 107 108 Mute/unmute mix track's play ** > 108 109 Mute/unmute Dry Out ** > 109 110 Mute/unmute clix level ** > 110 111 Mute/unmute all play tracks *** > > ** The single channel mute/unmute action works as follows: > If the channel's level is greater than zero when the command is > received then the channel will be muted. If the channel's level > is zero when the command is received then the level will be set > either to that of 2880's panel fader or to that of the last CC > message (20..24), depending on which was most recently effective. > *** When a mute/unmute all-play-tracks command is received all play > tracks will be muted if ANY of them is greater than zero. If > ALL of them are zero then each will be set to fader or CC level. > > MIDI OUT (MIDI THRU) > 2880 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI out > connector. But in Internal sync mode it does not relay the > sequencer commands: STOP START CONT CLOCK. > > > hi friends, > > just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's > possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc > on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have > MIDI I/O. > > thanks in advance, > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 19:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068883BF54; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:09:13 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: LooperWiki needed. In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007f01c7e74b$6cef1600$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfnBlCEK12dywdxRDilVLgBPNR9BQARORhw References: <082520070203.6045.46CF8DF800026E8C0000179D2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:09:20 +0000 (UTC) I put in a couple of index pages and one comment, at http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?WikiTalk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=- > @bernhardwagner.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LooperWiki needed. > > > On 25.08.2007, at 04:03, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > 2 questions. > > 1.How do we add entrys to the wiki? > > See http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > > > 2. Who would like to define Looping? > > AAAAHHHHH!!!! (please wade the archives, structure the results, and > pack it into the wiki) > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 19:12:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577EC3BF37; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:12:00 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: bad equipment happens to good people In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfnOzh6eOlfwZTEQdabClHVK6Z8XAAEEPBA References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Ouch! What a drag. Better luck next time. At least you seem to have a good attitude about it. Warren ________________________________________ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bad equipment happens to good people .....so i take my little kit from my hot hot hot third floor studio to my oh so kool livingroom and practice and fine tune it for a day before my FARMHOUSE COFFEE gig.....many moons ago i had a pickup installed in my acoustic and does it sound wonderful, the dulcet tones would make a brick cry.....i'm set so i . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 20:08:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D6D3BF3D; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D08EAF.1090800@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:18:56 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800 References: <000001c7e721$ccbaa6f0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c7e721$ccbaa6f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8yd6aB.A.3oG.VxI0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, yes, I decided to go with the Rme solution for my playing rig ( FF400) while I am using the FF800 for the recording studio. Everything in your summary seems perfect. I have been one of those who have been pushing Rme to develop the standalone thing. Once they did it I have been insisting in favour of a usable Midi control of Totalmix, in fact at the beginning they came out with a very un-usable midi mixer because it was using the mapping of the Mackie Hui so that it was impossible to think to use it live for the lack of direct controls: Mackie Hui protocol was requiring to scroll through many "pages" to have all the controls at hand, it was not possible to "assign" the parameters you were needing to the physical controller you wanted. I remember Matthias Carsten saying that this would have been a thing that just a few users had enjoyed... I told them that if they developed it in the right way they could see in the Fireface another use: first rackmountable mixer/splitter/router with both analog and digital capabilities. Rme are not cheap but I think that if you have to play live in serious situations you have to reduce sw problems at the minimum level ( and you know that this minimum level is still potentially risky). I think that choosing which one of the two is a matter of making a clear draw about how many ins/outs you need. Both the Firefaces use the same driver and these are updated quite frequently. Latest drivers are not released to fix problems ( because there are not since a few releases), they just add new possibilities. If I had the room I would probably go for a FF800 in my playing rig, the ins/outs are slightly more and are more accessible ( in the FF400 the input 1 and 2 are just on the front as well as outputs 7/8 ( on minijack) and I find it inconvienent. FF800 has 8 ins and outs in the back panel, inputs 1,7 and 8 are replicated on the front panel with preamps and ins/outs 9 and 10 are just on the fron panel. Plus the FF800 has two couples of adat ins/outs and these are useful as I am trying to keep all I can in digital domain. Plus, it would be nice to go 5.1 or at least quad when possible... my best, luca www.unguitar.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >A lot of people here seem to be using the Fireface400 or Fireface800, and some of them are using even both (Hi Luca), so I'd like to do a comparison of both and ask whether I missed anything here: > >Since some people need more than the 2 micpres supplied by the Fireface400, I also considered a variant with a Quadmic. > >So here we go: > > Fireface 800 Fireface 400 FF400+Quadmic >Price(Street) €1219 €879 €1254 >Form factor fullrack halfrack fullrack > >I/O >In: Micpre 4 2 6 >In: total 10 8 8 >Out: total 10 8 8 >digi I/O 16 8 8 > >MIDI I/O 1 2 2 > >Standalone mixer * * >LineIn limiter * > > >Summarizing: both interfaces seem to be lacking for applications which require lots of microphones - for a singing drummer e.g., both the FF400 and the FF800 don't offer enough micpres. There is the option of extending the interfaces with similar-quality micpres using the quadmic or octamic pres by RME, at a price - the combo of FF400 and Quadmic (which gives you 6 pres, prolly enough for most solo applications) is even more expensive than the FF800. > >There are a few small details which might be of interest to some users. The FF400's standalone mixer functionality is great if your computer crashes mid-performance. On the other hand, the FF800's limiter saves you yet another device (and thus rack real estate), especially when going into the interface with transient-prone instruments (e.g. bass guitar). Sadly, it's not available for the mic ins. And again, the additional pair of MIDI I/O of the FF400 might also save you another device in the setup. Worth mentioning (but I guess not for our typical applications) is the additional pair of ADAT I/O on the FF800. > > > >Did I miss something here? > > Rainer > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2484 (20070825) __________ > >Questo messaggio � stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 21:58:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A229D3BF48; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E6909BA-4391-4BED-946B-DAEF85176079@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: looping in GR Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:57:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7XvIXC.A.8qB.sXK0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:58:04 +0000 (UTC) i did my first solo looping gig last night i did it using my instruments, my G5 running Guitar Rig and a pair of EV SxA100 powered monitors (+ one SM57 into sx202 into one side of GRs stereo in) not in any way recommending this as an ideal setup or anything but i had a good experience and i thought i'd share it my background with looping; i made an extended tape machine once a very long time ago but it was unstable and i didn't really get into it i picked up a dl-4 a few years ago but didn't do much with it and let it go so while of course i use looping in my normal composition and recording i've not been a real time or live looper but ya know always aware of it and recently keenly interested in trying it again (hence i rejoined this list a month ago) i have some friends that are local la leche league leaders and they hear me noodle/practice alot at family park get togethers and such they asked me if i would play for the summer art show gala and i figured it would be a great time to give live looping a go i started looking around at looping devices with 4-500 being about all i was willing to spend on the project, there where several options that seemed appealing and among them was the loop machine in GR, i have used GR and like it, GR is on sale with the controller and all for $350 so i jumped out of the box i had loads of pop and crackle and such but by using the suggestions on NIs site and working the G5 specifically for GR it worked fine my orig idea and long term approach would not be to use GR exclusively for sounds but it sounded good enough that for this project i did for the most part on this night i would be using simple acoustic guitar, clean bass and jazz box sounds plus one guitar synth patch i couldn't resist instruments used where a guild acoustic F-45, a custom headless 5 string fretless bass and an ibanez GB-10, i also had a mic setup and was able to build a couple patches in GR that had the mic brought in and processed independently of the guitar signal and then mixed, i ran an EQ, light comp, and a little room verb to the mic and it sounded very good, i sang thru it on a couple songs, they did some anouncements over it even i was impressed the loop machine does not have advanced sound mangling tools what it does have is a clean and just stoopidly easy to use simple looper there is a mapping function for most any parameter in GR and the loop machine was easy to use with rec/play/dub, stop and undo mapped to 3 switches on the FC for the purpose of recording and repeating parts live is was fantastic i was doing "music for the masses" as its been put here recently mostly improvised and working over themes of mine a few songs but for the most part just playing background instrumentals most of it done by starting with a guitar pattern or phrase, looping it jamming on fretless till i find a pattern, adding that to the loop then playing over that on the guild or GB-10, i also did some pieces with just 2 bass parts and didn't realize just how much i would like that! big fun! music was well received and a gent that was watching me pack up marveling at the computer was humming a melody i had played in one of my better pieces i had no glitches, no pops and cracks that i heard during the entire 2.5 hours i only had to touch the mouse a couple time to adjust vols and with a better controller that wouldn't be an issue, i realize i didn't put the demands on it some might but the whole thing went smooth as could be caveats: i had to pull my MOTU 424 and driver out of the G5 to get GR to function well with its built in audio on the controller, the controller is sluggish and apparently NI has trouble making drivers that get along well with others (sim issue with kore) so i'm pretty certain that i will not be using the audio I/O or the controller. and if i continue to do real time looping(and as much FUN as i have been having....) i will explore superlooper and other SW options but i was very impressed with GRs loop machine for this sort of basic and i would imagine common looping app i'm sold on using the computer live, it just went so smooth simple set up elegant look, easy to use with a midi controller made it a really great night, UUC dome art center is a beautiful space really great people and a wonderful organization my first live looping experience was a joy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 22:17:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CBFD3BF48; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PiIWSBZ9joR83mJeu2OLxOlFH5xt7sGO6imKe/hxfuf6dGq8tVt6OjkrvT6IEDoidMDLyDlwM/Uj3v7aGIP+hTRwnjbZnWqnfi0bUOOGeYXDILrb83y9rr8AaB7jewtfxC31/y+UZ3gR6WMpyffiA4H+HWy0NubMahpAp4D9wIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ymQASAcVM1lXnw_vqA3HWlOEE6VhC4Boe7lENMZhb7LAGjoqsvLo8PT9qX1fSGJ1PSGeTajHLhnHVzBuIRlddPYyqvP1aWyPy767wQ7.frBCUlypiJxPB6_T9EAQQsI- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <953218.97737.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC) >Mobius doesn't delay the signal, it's just a pass-through bridge. >Latency happens at three major stages: At the AD conversion when the >signal enters the software domain (digitalization), when passing >through certain plug-ins (not all, some plug-ins are able to process >the signal without delaying it) and finally at the DA conversion at >the sound card's output. If I monitor from the soundcard (hardware monitoring) there is a latency difference vs. monitoring from the program, yes? A A2D and D2A are skipped. I said "monitor through mobius". It could have been "monitor through software". Same thing. The main issue for me is being in sync with the loops I'm making; that's easier for me if i turn monitoring thru on in Mobius and turn off hardware monitoring on the soundcard. “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 22:24:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB133BF59; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c7e72d$0b1af890$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c7e72d$0b1af890$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F31949A-B713-46E6-A8E4-46EAAA7E034E@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Laptop Looping - Mobius latency compensation Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:24:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) > I pick up with the question I asked Per already: how would this work when > running Mobius within a VST host? What will a 0 value result in? Will > latency compensation (with manually entered values) work at all? Will > calibration work? Yes, latency compensation is also available in the VST plugin, and calibration also works. There looks like a bug where setting the overrides to zero will cause them to default to 512 which may not actually be your buffer size. So to turn compensation off in the VST plugin, set both overrides to 1. Unless you are using a plugin before or after Mobius that adds latency, you can use the same latency values in standalone mode or VST mode. > Ok, my application would be: in a possible setup, I may be looping > electric/electronic instruments (which I'm monitoring post- computer, hence > I'm what you call "mentally compensating") and acoustic instruments where I > can't do that. So I'd like to have a button (MIDI or keyboard) to toggle > latency compensation between off/undetectable and on (set to a specific > value). Will this work with scripts? Yes: !name Toggle Latency if inputLatency == 1 Message Enabling Latency Compensation set inputLatency 256 set outputLatency 256 else Message Disabling Latency Compensation set inputLatency 1 set outputLatency 1 endif Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 22:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930FA3BF5C; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5GXdp7jSSe+v4KKviV29NCKqlo0E4Kv1TT41fUMX7BwMidVDc2syEhaVhupxYaUxAV2V/Dp3EXwHJcWDFgnTno1BM/EvDoC4YPfJAcZqZNG70gNKZIeNf7AJr7JTdDtUURBoIhIpVbCqiXzEr2Ls//k+Hl7UINjEyX5hY0Xgex8=; X-YMail-OSG: 0SPYlJEVM1kn5apMG8R3RC3Snis7ZJ6avxzXM4_mQpj5AzuxaTk1z294MC5xsh3VGlSmLemdGHkSwKz3exvMnbSYHRpiZIHQHePV.RFhA1eo_LXcZYQKOvP5NnVouOE- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <132564.475.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:24:51 +0000 (UTC) I should add that I am playing an electric instrument - phase cancellation with the direct instrument sound is a non-issue. Everything goes thru the computer, gets the same delay amount from the soundcard a2d and d2a and then to the playback amplifier. Lag comp is turned on in the host for the looping tracks. > > >Mobius doesn't delay the signal, it's just a pass-through bridge. > >Latency happens at three major stages: At the AD conversion when the > > >signal enters the software domain (digitalization), when passing > >through certain plug-ins (not all, some plug-ins are able to process > > >the signal without delaying it) and finally at the DA conversion at > > >the sound card's output. > > If I monitor from the soundcard (hardware monitoring) there is a > latency difference vs. monitoring from the program, yes? A A2D and > D2A > are skipped. I said "monitor through mobius". It could have been > "monitor through software". Same thing. The main issue for me is > being in sync with the loops I'm making; that's easier for me if i > turn > monitoring thru on in Mobius and turn off hardware monitoring on the > soundcard. > “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 22:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725373BF6E; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <953218.97737.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> References: <953218.97737.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3163E3BE-F121-46C1-95D4-53DF780F5FF5@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:33:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1Z0i3B.A.DJD.h4K0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) > If I monitor from the soundcard (hardware monitoring) there is a > latency difference vs. monitoring from the program, yes? Yes, IF the software you are using does not do latency compensation. > I said "monitor through mobius". It could have been > "monitor through software". Same thing. Not exactly. This is what we mean when we talk about latency compensation in Mobius. You can use "zero latency" monitoring with your audio hardware, then if latency is properly calibrated in Mobius it will shift your overdubs so that they are in perfect alighment with what you are hearing as you play. It may take some tweaking to get it exactly right. > The main issue for me is > being in sync with the loops I'm making; that's easier for me if i turn > monitoring thru on in Mobius and turn off hardware monitoring on the > soundcard. That works too. But it isn't the only way of working. I always monitor from an external hardware mixer then use latency compensation to align the overdubs. Sometimes it's easier to do it your way though. If you're experimenting with other plugins that add their own latency it's easier to use "monitor through software" than to keep having to stop and recalibrate latency. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 25 22:36:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 364D03BF67; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4Mm7uhW4bIAa4yFDlZgOzkNFywogZ9ncS+RwBFfEvjc4UcPYDkBHUDGQgd6mXhN6YcTUIHq6TxuQ9ejiCnbknQ+8WIqATcrdWVwPHYC4qNKUQ0ZjXo5+y0eFe1MLFtM2rbD7yy4MLoLQ0SLybbVUgzSTrGbhHCiH8lgOkW/atf4=; X-YMail-OSG: TtHvTLIVM1myZMGmoZUEm9ZSJJpt1TDqCNb21cup13DpVMeraQasT.07neurDTtzE_fPIp5o14SgEA9dDcUByk39H2G4Eb2DBMoV9pHOZPY1tPooV.k- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: READING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1106.31701.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:36:45 +0000 (UTC) rick i am with you bro, by the way thank you for great time last night in Santa Cruz it was great seeing you i had a blast and man that purple trumpet drink fuckin rocks! see you at the next loopfest and hopefully sooner in Deutschland! saludos carnalito Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > "Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk > about books. This is not > one of them." > > Here I have to agree to disagree with you, Mark. > > This is an extremely creative community that is a > very multi-talented > and multi-dimensional one..............one that is > fairly intimate too, as > online communities go. > > It is fascinating to me to see how different kinds > of art cross pollinate > with the people who > make looping music on this list. > > I do think that we should discipline ourselves to > always including an > offtopic OT indicator > in our posts and , frankly, to have a subthread on > Harry Potter feels like > it begs the issue* > but I my feeling is that the answers to this > question about what we are > reading informs > the looping community as much as what we are > listening to or what we are > performing > or recording. > > You can always subscribe to the daily digest and > just fail to read anything > that is on this > thread or take 30 seconds to put a filter on your > email program to make > anything > with an OT: READING header disappear with the rest > of your spam messages. > > I, for one, have enjoyed this thread and to me it's > very relevant to live > looping > because we are multi-faceted artists who are > informed by many different > kinds of things. > > yours, Rick Walker > > *I'm not opposed to saying you've read the new Harry > Potter (or watched the > latest movie or > listened to the latest movies sound score) I just > think that since this is > an off topic topic, that > we should minimize it's presence on the list by > retaining the same thread > name. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:10:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E263BF0F; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50545.72.95.166.189.1188090607.squirrel@72.95.166.189> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a few questoins about the rc20 From: "Donald W Brown" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 128.2.10.212 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers, i've been using the rc20 for about a year now, and i've a few questions regarding possible modifications. please accept my apologies in advance, i am not very techy. 1. is there a way to get the click as a separate signal out? i'm guessing that being that there's a flashing green/red light, there might be a way to 'hijack' that signal and put it into a separate out-going track, one that could be then redistributed via headphones and such? for whatever reason, i cannot sync to the light alone. i'm playing a lot of complex rhythms, and i need to hear the click, i just don't want an audience to hear it. 2. "the erase/bring-back whatever was last last recorded" function (holding down left pedal for a few seconds), any way of making that an instantaneous function? are these things possible or should i be looking at other equipment, and if so, suggestions? thank you all, best donald i'm just wondering if any of these things are even possible. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:33:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FD63BF56; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <891DF2AD-0B3E-49ED-812C-E9E0BE6936F9@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: bad equipment happens to good people Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:26:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5h0rhB.A.lxH.ohN0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Oh Nemoguitt, your writing style has the ability to make anything sound like a fever dream. Good job. On Aug 25, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Ouch! What a drag. Better luck next time. At least you seem to have > a good > attitude about it. > > Warren > > ________________________________________ > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: bad equipment happens to good people > > .....so i take my little kit from my hot hot hot third floor studio > to my oh > so kool livingroom and practice and fine tune it for a day before my > FARMHOUSE COFFEE gig.....many moons ago i had a pickup installed in my > acoustic and does it sound wonderful, the dulcet tones would make a > brick > cry.....i'm set so i . > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:38:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A903BF56; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9E6909BA-4391-4BED-946B-DAEF85176079@tampabay.rr.com> References: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <9E6909BA-4391-4BED-946B-DAEF85176079@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <806A93FA-C7CF-41C3-B9EB-879FC2469D1B@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: looping in GR Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:32:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the world of laptop looping! It's not as scary as people say. Mark On Aug 25, 2007, at 2:57 PM, steve wrote: > i did my first solo looping gig last night > i did it using my instruments, my G5 running Guitar Rig > and a pair of EV SxA100 powered monitors > (+ one SM57 into sx202 into one side of GRs stereo in) > > not in any way recommending this as an ideal setup or anything > but i had a good experience and i thought i'd share it > > my background with looping; > i made an extended tape machine once a very long time ago > but it was unstable and i didn't really get into it > i picked up a dl-4 a few years ago but didn't do much with it and > let it go > so while of course i use looping in my normal composition and > recording > i've not been a real time or live looper but ya know always aware > of it > and recently keenly interested in trying it again > (hence i rejoined this list a month ago) > > i have some friends that are local la leche league leaders > and they hear me noodle/practice alot at family park get togethers > and such > they asked me if i would play for the summer art show gala > and i figured it would be a great time to give live looping a go > > i started looking around at looping devices with 4-500 being about > all i was willing > to spend on the project, there where several options that seemed > appealing and > among them was the loop machine in GR, i have used GR and like it, > GR is on sale with the controller and all for $350 so i jumped > > out of the box i had loads of pop and crackle and such but by using > the suggestions > on NIs site and working the G5 specifically for GR it worked fine > > my orig idea and long term approach would not be to use GR > exclusively for sounds > but it sounded good enough that for this project i did > for the most part on this night i would be using simple acoustic > guitar, > clean bass and jazz box sounds plus one guitar synth patch i > couldn't resist > instruments used where a guild acoustic F-45, a custom headless 5 > string fretless > bass and an ibanez GB-10, i also had a mic setup and was able to > build a couple > patches in GR that had the mic brought in and processed > independently of the > guitar signal and then mixed, i ran an EQ, light comp, and a little > room verb to the mic > and it sounded very good, i sang thru it on a couple songs, they > did some anouncements over it even > i was impressed > > the loop machine does not have advanced sound mangling tools > what it does have is a clean and just stoopidly easy to use simple > looper > there is a mapping function for most any parameter in GR and the > loop machine > was easy to use with rec/play/dub, stop and undo mapped to 3 > switches on the FC > for the purpose of recording and repeating parts live is was fantastic > > i was doing "music for the masses" as its been put here recently > mostly improvised and working over themes of mine > a few songs but for the most part just playing background > instrumentals > most of it done by starting with a guitar pattern or phrase, > looping it > jamming on fretless till i find a pattern, adding that to the loop > then playing over that on the guild or GB-10, i also did some > pieces with just > 2 bass parts and didn't realize just how much i would like that! > big fun! > music was well received and a gent that was watching me pack up > marveling > at the computer was humming a melody i had played in one of my > better pieces > > i had no glitches, no pops and cracks that i heard during the > entire 2.5 hours > i only had to touch the mouse a couple time to adjust vols and with > a better controller > that wouldn't be an issue, i realize i didn't put the demands on it > some might > but the whole thing went smooth as could be > caveats: i had to pull my MOTU 424 and driver out of the G5 to get > GR to function well > with its built in audio on the controller, the controller is > sluggish and apparently NI > has trouble making drivers that get along well with others (sim > issue with kore) > so i'm pretty certain that i will not be using the audio I/O or the > controller. > and if i continue to do real time looping(and as much FUN as i have > been having....) > i will explore superlooper and other SW options but i was very > impressed with GRs > loop machine for this sort of basic and i would imagine common > looping app > > i'm sold on using the computer live, it just went so smooth > simple set up elegant look, easy to use with a midi controller > made it a really great night, UUC dome art center is a beautiful space > really great people and a wonderful organization > my first live looping experience was a joy > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 01:53:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E973BF68; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:46:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Well then let's agree to disagree. I feel the reason that LD works is because we're all on board with the fact that the core of the conversation somehow relates at least to music, if not looping. There's tons of stuff I could fwd to this list, or bring up to this list but I don't. Kim didn't call this list, "Everything Delight" He named it so that it could be identified so that people looking to talk about this topic could find it here. Again, there are many forums on the web. If you want to start one about books, have at it. Readers-delight. I see it now. I might even join (though I have little time for reading these days). So, are we a smart, interesting group of people? Hell yeah. Was the book thread interesting? Probably. However, if we don't reign it in and stay on topic the list becomes diluted. Too many people these days, IMO, feel that it's OK to do anything anywhere. People seem to love bringing babies into movies these days. Spiderman 3 had a crying infant in it at 10pm. People seem to love to ignore the no food rule on the Bay area light rail and will eat full meals from KFC spilling gravy and soda everywhere. Children seem to be able to do anything but brandish a loaded gun without getting so much as a dirty look from a parent. My point is there are places for infants to be entertained. There are places to eat food. There are places for kids to run around all crazy. There are places to talk about looping. There are places to talk about books. So I'm not judging the quality of the thread but it's quite obvious that the intent of the creator of this list was to talk about making music using looping devices or else they would have named it "general interest delight" No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. If you'd like this list to become crap, then so be it. I'll start forwarding every little thing that interests me to the list. Mark On Aug 25, 2007, at 4:39 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > "Hey gang, There are many forums on line to talk about books. This > is not > one of them." > > Here I have to agree to disagree with you, Mark. > > This is an extremely creative community that is a very multi-talented > and multi-dimensional one..............one that is fairly intimate > too, as online communities go. > > It is fascinating to me to see how different kinds of art cross > pollinate with the people who > make looping music on this list. > > I do think that we should discipline ourselves to always including > an offtopic OT indicator > in our posts and , frankly, to have a subthread on Harry Potter > feels like it begs the issue* > but I my feeling is that the answers to this question about what we > are reading informs > the looping community as much as what we are listening to or what > we are performing > or recording. > > You can always subscribe to the daily digest and just fail to read > anything that is on this > thread or take 30 seconds to put a filter on your email program to > make anything > with an OT: READING header disappear with the rest of your spam > messages. > > I, for one, have enjoyed this thread and to me it's very relevant > to live looping > because we are multi-faceted artists who are informed by many > different kinds of things. > > yours, Rick Walker > > *I'm not opposed to saying you've read the new Harry Potter (or > watched the latest movie or > listened to the latest movies sound score) I just think that since > this is an off topic topic, that > we should minimize it's presence on the list by retaining the same > thread name. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 03:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E33C3BF59; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:39:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:39:18 +0000 (UTC) My mere two cents. Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about everything is inter-related, and especially so in social communities like this. So, I say let it be...if someone doesn't like the thread, delete the damn messages and clam up, because bitching about it does nothing but propagate the very thing that the person is objecting to, which generates somewhat of a contradiction in behavior - namely complaining about something so that the complaining itself becomes a sub-top of the object of complaint. Makes no sense in the grand scheme of things. It's like when someone at my workplace responds to an organization wide message (to several thousand people) and replies to all, and then inevitaly some idiot starts replying to all, telling the person to quit replying to all, and so on until the mail server shuts down. It makes no fucking sense. Silence and tolerance of diversity and conflict is the best possible or productive action here, in my opinion. No disrespect to anyone...just projecting my thoughts here. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 05:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E3A3BF59; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AFAKAnFAF3Qd4CIWzAVV8o2z52KJ/KntgVll0U6p9fJzSY3/pIkeX2fqHLHi7fPaxjZJSl0fnPYjK/i4JZxwEReo2xObAUT3w+hoJDS9v/S8W8XzILMr4JBSBz1WyJq1GMu1RQKXmt4s9qXsT3tdVyvL3EDCICDrtKuzvU4xZ5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d+gMbGQeGN92RMFzTVtC8cWxyTgeF53pPFKCwzAsENc1raKZZNGasHm6+VvVUqxbL+tKTLC2xlVUMvcSbrSb7jMDtkws96YasLga+666BZ3ZweGAYnqNMINMID2o8DbuSCHBw1MEWlBA7k40q3uTA9NatA7WHXE1uwmMVgAU2jw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:14:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:14:35 +0000 (UTC) That's very interesting, and appears to be significantly different from what I remember of the MIDI capabilities when the thing was first released. However, this part appears to be a major drag: " There must be at least 300mS between each button push message." Since I was hoping that one could program an FCB to mute the current track and then unmute another track and start recording on that track with one button push, but it sounds like that would happen too quick for the EH to process. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 06:02:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16843BF6C; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=exYCcWgnhM8chHFvvHBICHkdJEdZOVU4W8CBNgo2QcFJbhoXVC3/TZHauzxNnJSsEZ1P04HtWI8G+50RwVO699P9s6Q4l1GjB+bYtsUZo8SzQxxZm6F/f5RWH9QdvC8NwxBsleWrZl0MsJ13ICjYYmSuqr1CtSt4EkOeSueNLJE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S4Bkw23QLLSWAxNtwZNsKcyYFhBDFlfeQQYtjeQSUm8e2fHz99SFxl1ALAMSDnR3G3QU6KMil2lUQ1FPnHd2ZMpUC/htf+mKlwUOT6jgjzP6yFuJfA3j31OnTDDBHtM15O6zHhX8lZ+gFxfD/7UWln7760OXXT1uf/hwAp4Zbz4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:02:47 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in GR In-Reply-To: <806A93FA-C7CF-41C3-B9EB-879FC2469D1B@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_141987_25755347.1188108167954" References: <008001c7e74b$d2515ee0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <9E6909BA-4391-4BED-946B-DAEF85176079@tampabay.rr.com> <806A93FA-C7CF-41C3-B9EB-879FC2469D1B@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:02:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_141987_25755347.1188108167954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hold me. 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------=_Part_141987_25755347.1188108167954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 06:45:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 681303BF5D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IHmN3j40QiLujszwlDnAONawjl4dt+nJc51AfBlc1UMB143fbyg0FPXnAyXCmWTWI/yDvOC2P5QP2HHJV3tOWCyFExjbc+y+B/7OE9GOwFyoJX9UlC6lRtAxMOTDxB7HAuDPqc9blDuSrw1E01eVqrOUqGfM+AbPzkEBW6VOObs=; X-YMail-OSG: BPuI1XgVM1kUKM83kqI4BxCxarwAWOs7zn.jF3i7ArUUYasfMPbbHhS929A80jvXSg-- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: Looping & Latency To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <849575.71744.qm@web60323.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_NppMC.A.NhH.AGS0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:45:21 +0000 (UTC) > > The main issue for me is > > being in sync with the loops I'm making; that's easier for me if i > >turn > > monitoring thru on in Mobius and turn off hardware monitoring on the > > soundcard. >That works too. But it isn't the only way of working. I always monitor >from an external hardware mixer then use latency compensation to align >the overdubs. Sometimes it's easier to do it your way though. If >you're experimenting with other plugins that add their own latency it's >easier to use "monitor through software" than to keep having to stop >and recalibrate latency. Part of it may be the way I have the host set up; I am recording the input and each mobius track on separate tracks in the host. I seem to recall that the recording of the input signal would drift around in time relative to recordings of the mobius tracks if hardware monitoring was turned on. With "thru mobius" monitoring of the input the problem went away. I am no expert on this stuff though and I may have missed something setting it up, but the way I'm doing it now works, so I'm not going to fuck with it. :-) -rabbi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. 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Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 06:59:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96A5F3BF5D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JadiCpzJ9IQ20uw/xHjSh/NcMEI9JF7pL5yYcfKBqVlKVM0Sb9Cx0qejWrVsjxIHcgpVN4210YSItn7aqGFwBwzNNkpeKtolnQyjjslf987aBL6vVoHh0SCMCAzWJLljvr/vLB9XLiZ4fH8M7zOBxGxYKtsXZGAP73HkhCfS2wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pZAVbO3Vjq/mwdJdOKIZr5v+8ft19370NfrnUfAYttA8sqoiTk8hC+A8q93ZCA/mL/Snae8P6hfvkEF9yB1vAR77aTTRvS0DvTGW3kKqOTkEcwCkCLW0i9cQ1Yvdqq0PS4GDBn/2HDF3GxZfNR8eLm+ILdMqTLTi9f+G63zjIpE= Message-ID: <4759e5740708252359o605fbb3em267a394ef3fe0ae8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:59:53 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82679_19623428.1188111593573" References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2uvwDC.A.T_H.rTS0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:59:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_82679_19623428.1188111593573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline with all respect... at least as I read Rick's post, it was a reminder to label things as OT if necessary... all that was requested was to discipline the posts JUST A LITTLE. by labeling... I see no reason to have conversation about whether we should be doing the Harry Potter dance or not... MY dos pesos, but I thought the request was pretty simple and uninflammatory, don't know why we ended up here... and K is right, now watch us dance around trying to stay happy for just a moment... we humans are so fucking funny. i like us guys. todd On 8/25/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > My mere two cents. Everything said on this group eventually has something > to > do with looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and > feeling on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, > insects, movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back > into our psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, > just > about everything is inter-related, and especially so in social communities > like this. So, I say let it be...if someone doesn't like the thread, > delete > the damn messages and clam up, because bitching about it does nothing but > propagate the very thing that the person is objecting to, which generates > somewhat of a contradiction in behavior - namely complaining about > something > so that the complaining itself becomes a sub-top of the object of > complaint. > Makes no sense in the grand scheme of things. It's like when someone at > my > workplace responds to an organization wide message (to several thousand > people) and replies to all, and then inevitaly some idiot starts replying > to > all, telling the person to quit replying to all, and so on until the mail > server shuts down. It makes no fucking sense. > > Silence and tolerance of diversity and conflict is the best possible or > productive action here, in my opinion. > > No disrespect to anyone...just projecting my thoughts here. > > K- > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_82679_19623428.1188111593573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline with all respect...

at least as I read Rick's post, it was a reminder to label things as OT if necessary... all that was requested was to discipline the posts JUST A LITTLE.  by labeling... I see no reason to have conversation about whether we should be doing the Harry Potter dance or not...

MY dos pesos, but I thought the request was pretty simple and uninflammatory, don't know why we ended up here... and K is right, now watch us dance around trying to stay happy for just a moment...

we humans are so fucking funny.

i like us guys.

todd



On 8/25/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
My mere two cents. Everything said on this group eventually has something to
do with looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and
feeling on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops,
insects, movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back
into our psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just
about everything is inter-related, and especially so in social communities
like this.  So, I say let it be...if someone doesn't like the thread, delete
the damn messages and clam up, because bitching about it does nothing but
propagate the very thing that the person is objecting to, which generates
somewhat of a contradiction in behavior - namely complaining about something
so that the complaining itself becomes a sub-top of the object of complaint.
Makes no sense in the grand scheme of things.  It's like when someone at my
workplace responds to an organization wide message (to several thousand
people) and replies to all, and then inevitaly some idiot starts replying to
all, telling the person to quit replying to all, and so on until the mail
server shuts down. It makes no fucking sense.

Silence and tolerance of diversity and conflict is the best possible or
productive action here, in my opinion.

No disrespect to anyone...just projecting my thoughts here.

K-




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917.576.6166                                              
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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_82679_19623428.1188111593573-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 08:09:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 601D23BF44; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xvlxiCuIeC7IGHUWoSfWSSzEiv/z5X6T09/cHrtJYOPRYEwtLTLRvi5oI2+UsNuQLx7idfcoQsOSTBHDaPH9DVlmstdO+oXjPgW3WbR2Wt24jeNQtQObOxAbFhCCBBxf34cBAHJaxu7q1O4sHOYWmiVWUMllR28Iqdrcnx6pEAo=; X-YMail-OSG: q.lHT7QVM1mPjbpVg5E3dTeLjby79rnyUi16qt_xHsg33Qh1Gs6LZeHW6W9HgwdN6w-- Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: a few questoins about the rc20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <50545.72.95.166.189.1188090607.squirrel@72.95.166.189> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-418135823-1188115779=:66195" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <230701.66195.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:09:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-418135823-1188115779=:66195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Donald W Brown wrote: Hello Loopers, i've been using the rc20 for about a year now, and i've a few questions regarding possible modifications. please accept my apologies in advance, i am not very techy. 1. is there a way to get the click as a separate signal out? i'm guessing that being that there's a flashing green/red light, there might be a way to 'hijack' that signal and put it into a separate out-going track, one that could be then redistributed via headphones and such? for whatever reason, i cannot sync to the light alone. i'm playing a lot of complex rhythms, and i need to hear the click, i just don't want an audience to hear it. 2. "the erase/bring-back whatever was last last recorded" function (holding down left pedal for a few seconds), any way of making that an instantaneous function? are these things possible or should i be looking at other equipment, and if so, suggestions? thank you all, best donald i'm just wondering if any of these things are even possible. Also (while we're on the subject), I'd REALLY like to be able to isolate the input signal from the output, ie have a completely wet signal out. Stephen --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-418135823-1188115779=:66195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Donald W Brown <dwbrown@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
Hello Loopers,

i've been using the rc20 for about a year now, and i've a few questions regarding possible modifications.

please accept my apologies in advance, i am not very techy.


1.
is there a way to get the click as a separate signal out? i'm guessing that being that there's a flashing green/red light, there might be a way to 'hijack' that signal and put it into a separate out-going track, one that could be then redistributed via headphones and such?

for whatever reason, i cannot sync to the light alone. i'm playing a lot of complex rhythms, and i need to hear the click, i just don't want an audience to hear it.

2.
"the erase/bring-back whatever was last last recorded" function (holding down left pedal for a few seconds), any way of making that an instantaneous function?

are these things possible or should i be looking at other equipment, and if so, suggestions?


thank you all,
best
donald




i'm just wondering if any of these things are even possible.

Also (while we're on the subject), I'd REALLY like to be able to isolate the input signal from the output, ie have a completely wet signal out.

Stephen

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-418135823-1188115779=:66195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:04:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999D03BF44; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: bad equipment happens to good people Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:04:02 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c7e7c0$0c4ba690$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C7E7D0.CFD47690" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcfnsRpbu61n/ALpRcmTeKjCk5N3dAADrgRA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:04:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C7E7D0.CFD47690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > in some strange way i enjoyed myself that's what's important -M www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C7E7D0.CFD47690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> in = some strange=20 way i enjoyed myself  
 
that's what's = important=20
 
-M www.michaelpeters.de
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C7E7D0.CFD47690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 09:50:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29A63BF5D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 597273666-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.207.56 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAGvp0EZPQs84/2dsb2JhbACCJKMv Message-ID: <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:50:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8RR4XD.A.0wE.szU0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Everything said on this group eventually has > something to do with looping. If people can use the list to share their > thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, > laptops, insects, movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually > integrates back into our psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop > music. In life, just about everything is inter-related, hmm... not convinced by that ;-) >From what I know of Kim's intentions, Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. ...but, let's put OT in the header ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:30:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F108F3BF4E; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:30:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001601c7e7d4$84d9d5a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acfnkq72ADQnGQVqRdmpFreTgG5C4QAQa0FQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINOKCOMfA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <8vo3_B.A.nBH.ERW0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Krispen said: > has something to do with looping. If people can use the list > to share their thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, > food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, movies, porn > flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our Exactly! So one free hardcopy of my next CD (including shipping) to the person who can name the porn flicks used as granular sound samples in one of my kybermusik collaborations with Krispen ;-P Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:37:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA393BF44; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:35:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #543 for August 23, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46D1657D.5020902@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <_WmcIC.A.ARH.SYW0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:54 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070823.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #543 August 23, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from "...Live..." on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Bruno Sanfilippo Piano Textures VI Piano Textures (ad21) Galactic Anthems The Campaign to Semper Fidelity (none) Liberate Ferris Rudy Adrian Soaring Birds Par Avion (Groove) Palancar Part 4 Live in Elvenland (Earth Mantra) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Bellistique ...Live... disc1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Sense ...Live... disc1 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from "...Live..." on Revisited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 11:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82DFE3BF4E; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <001601c7e7d7$05eecef0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <554957.33326.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:55:27 +0000 (UTC) I have a Digitech Jamman that I haven't been using much for the same reason. What it will do is great but having to stop before moving on to the next loop is just wrong. My old Lexicon Jamman only had 30 sec. and 8 loops but you could play a phrase then go to the next loop without stopping. I couldn't save them upon power down but I could play uninterrupted through all 8 loops in any order w/ a midipedal. So I have 1 gig of record time=over 3 hrs, 99 loops possible, and I end up using a minute or so at most. arrgh! That said I am getting an RC 2 cause its small, battery powered and I want to be able to loop anywhere I go. Eyes wide open now....loop on Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Rogers" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions / comparison RC-50 > I heartily concur with the complaint about saving loops, > though. I don't use that function at all because you have > to stop and look at the thing and give it a while before > you can use what you're saving. Setting it all up in > advance isn't really live looping now is it? I am so > spoiled by my Echoplex. > > Sam Rogers > One Mouth Band > > MySpace: www.myspace.com/onemouthband > Website: www.OneMouthBand.com > Newest CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com > EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 13:44:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32F43BF38; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035701c7e7e7$3b4e3030$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001601c7e7d4$84d9d5a0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:44:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:44:33 +0000 (UTC) I played with that? You clever dog. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: AW: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > Krispen said: > >> has something to do with looping. If people can use the list >> to share their thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, >> food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, movies, porn >> flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our > > Exactly! So one free hardcopy of my next CD (including shipping) to the > person who can name the porn flicks used as granular sound samples in one > of > my kybermusik collaborations with Krispen ;-P > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 15:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BB733BF0F; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:00:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:00:08 +0000 (UTC) It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually figure it out... K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about >> everything is inter-related, > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > ...but, > > let's put OT in the header > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 15:15:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 225003BF17; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <230701.66195.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <230701.66195.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ED55CC2-06C2-4B15-B350-E2AE40DB474E@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: a few questoins about the rc20 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:14:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Stephen, As far as I know the only way to isolate the "wet" signal (I assume you mean only the loop) with the RC 20 is with a separate mixer, and it was fairly complicated. I seem to remember getting some advice on how to do that from someone on this list. I'll see if I can dig that up. For me, it was too involved and time consuming, but I think some of that stuff is either intuitive or not depending on how your brain works. It wasn't intuitive for me. I had mentioned in a post a couple of days ago that being able to isolate that loop only signal was a big reason I now use the RC50, particularly when playing with a drummer. I've been told that the new Boomerang will also have this (as did the old one, though I remember that signal being weaker). Hope that's helpful, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:23:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106FD3BF10; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038001c7e7fd$7d6658b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c7e721$ccbaa6f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:23:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Looks like you've done some good analysis on these firewire boxes. I am personally sold on the FW400 so far, yet I don't have the mic insert requirements that you have. Two is enough for me. I also want the smaller half-rack space units, and not a full rack width unit. I will be buying the FW400 in the next month or so, to initially use on my ThinkPad with an Adaptec cardbus firewire adaptor (someone on the list recommended, who is is using it successfully with another T60 ThinkPad). I've heard a lot of Maxers talk good things about the FW400, working well with max and macs. So, I'll be using this when I get my new macbook in January. The inserts I hear are very good quality, as is the drivers. For other audio interfaces in this same price range and quality, I haven't found much. I noticed Focusrite has new boxes out for $700 and $500 (Saphire Pro 26 and Saffire Pro10)...they are known for good inserts, but can't say about their drivers. I think the Motu units still have a good reputation, like the Ultralite. TC Electrnic makes a $500 box, the Konneckt 24D, but I know nothing about it. And then there is the M-Audio 1814. Of all the half rack firewire units, the FW400 seems to be the most expensive. Do we pay for what we get? If so, that's the ticket. I would be interested, Rainer, in your analysis and comparison of the FW400 ($1000), the TC Electronic Konnekt 24D ($500), Focusrite Saffire Pro10 (4500), M-Audio 1814 ($500), and Motu UltraLite ($550) - all half rack firewire boxes. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800 A lot of people here seem to be using the Fireface400 or Fireface800, and some of them are using even both (Hi Luca), so I'd like to do a comparison of both and ask whether I missed anything here: Since some people need more than the 2 micpres supplied by the Fireface400, I also considered a variant with a Quadmic. So here we go: Fireface 800 Fireface 400 FF400+Quadmic Price(Street) €1219 €879 €1254 Form factor fullrack halfrack fullrack I/O In: Micpre 4 2 6 In: total 10 8 8 Out: total 10 8 8 digi I/O 16 8 8 MIDI I/O 1 2 2 Standalone mixer * * LineIn limiter * Summarizing: both interfaces seem to be lacking for applications which require lots of microphones - for a singing drummer e.g., both the FF400 and the FF800 don't offer enough micpres. There is the option of extending the interfaces with similar-quality micpres using the quadmic or octamic pres by RME, at a price - the combo of FF400 and Quadmic (which gives you 6 pres, prolly enough for most solo applications) is even more expensive than the FF800. There are a few small details which might be of interest to some users. The FF400's standalone mixer functionality is great if your computer crashes mid-performance. On the other hand, the FF800's limiter saves you yet another device (and thus rack real estate), especially when going into the interface with transient-prone instruments (e.g. bass guitar). Sadly, it's not available for the mic ins. And again, the additional pair of MIDI I/O of the FF400 might also save you another device in the setup. Worth mentioning (but I guess not for our typical applications) is the additional pair of ADAT I/O on the FF800. Did I miss something here? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:53:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A943BF5D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=j322VMmiPp7z+2cGm2xjvoKGPKAA9Gh76HsELaQSvfd9I208Mn71VYhd5J52+JGQ; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: FW: Gig Spam---Peter Biedermann & White Light - Live @ The Monkey (NYC) - Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7E7E0.56565EE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfnAoFip/U9NDX8S6KZ515EMqvxEAA/jIlw Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcfa3f709bc5129b6337f3babf47f4e15c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.94.250 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7E7E0.56565EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An FYI to the NYC-area looping community.great performers, and Dominic's beautiful new venue!!!!!!! White Light is: Peter Biedermann: Acoustic and electric guitars, lap steel, loops Jim Stagnitto: Trumpet, cornet, laptop, loops, processing Steve Meltzer: Drums, percussion, Roland HandSonic, loops See you there! Ed in NJ We are thrilled to be invited back for the second time this year to perform at Dominic Frasca's beautiful new expanded venue he calls The Monkey. A more musician friendly facility...with state of the art sound...does not exist anywhere in NYC. This will take place on... SATURDAY - SEPTEMBER 22 @ 8:00 pm THE MONKEY 37 West 26th Street - 12th Floor (Between Broadway & 6th) New York City 10010 Tickets are $15 and should be purchased online via the following link: http://monkeywest.com/calendar.html The price also includes wine & hors d'oeuvre's prior to the show @ around 6:00 pm... Thank you for your support... Peter http://www.peterbiedermann.com/ http://www.homegrownradionj.com/ "Sound In The Head" internet radio show - Wednesday's 9:00 pm - midnight ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7E7E0.56565EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An FYI to the NYC-area looping = community…great performers, and Dominic’s beautiful new = venue!!!!!!!

 

White Light = is:

 

Peter Biedermann: Acoustic and = electric guitars, lap steel, loops

Jim Stagnitto: Trumpet, cornet, = laptop, loops, processing

Steve Meltzer: Drums, percussion, = Roland HandSonic, loops

 

See you = there!

 

Ed in = NJ

 

We are thrilled to be invited back for the second = time this year to perform

at Dominic Frasca's  beautiful new expanded venue he calls The = Monkey.

A more musician friendly facility...with state of = the art sound...does not = exist 

anywhere in NYC. This will take place = on...

 

SATURDAY - SEPTEMBER 22 = @ 8:00 pm

THE MONKEY

37 West 26th Street - 12th Floor

(Between Broadway & 6th)

New York City 10010

 

Tickets are $15 and should be purchased online via = the following link:

 

The price also includes wine & hors d'oeuvre's = prior to the show @ around

6:00 pm...

 

Thank you for your support...

 

Peter

 

 

"Sound In The Head" internet radio show = - Wednesday's 9:00 pm – midnight

 

------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7E7E0.56565EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:56:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D0B3BEFA; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gG0+BfDXtrrSrB233UTlhZNnrlcIGcubbMjmu7ApbuPnpyd0LSISu1BXhLY5wzH0q0WxDqug2skKYQJ7ZZ9A0/D+Ipr0iGUXqVI1lW3S+FVjI7c0f1i0HmCt4fzyQwyzo3yFbQ8FjbRJDi6rOxuuhGRZRZJ+3nenrDeDwMWGNoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PzBJ1PmD2Ce76yPUqOxiJPtFNj4CA8z/2lMVTgldJ6c7WMHduqepBoXiXubOWNCYlzxpkS9wJmIGE0xYExNXI0Qn10WU3iRwxu7HVCEn+4lYOTKgHH+J8SSks9FR9Ph0mDSalcc9Uw6gDxQRTuNIyLGZDOF48R4HNi1Xz5Vk8Aw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:56:01 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24271_28266286.1188147361671" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:56:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24271_28266286.1188147361671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes. Interesting. Thanks Charles, Kely,Travis. I love this forum... kisses for all!. Cheers, Raul. 2007/8/26, Travis Hartnett : > > That's very interesting, and appears to be significantly different > from what I remember of the MIDI capabilities when the thing was first > released. However, this part appears to be a major drag: > > " There must be at least 300mS between each button push message." > > Since I was hoping that one could program an FCB to mute the current > track and then unmute another track and start recording on that track > with one button push, but it sounds like that would happen too quick > for the EH to process. > > TH > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_24271_28266286.1188147361671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes. Interesting. Thanks Charles, Kely,Travis.
I love this forum... kisses for all!.

Cheers,
Raul.

2007/8/26, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com>:
That's very interesting, and appears to be significantly different
from what I remember of the MIDI capabilities when the thing was first
released.  However, this part appears to be a major drag:

" There must be at least 300mS between each button push message."

Since I was hoping that one could program an FCB to mute the current
track and then unmute another track and start recording on that track
with one button push, but it sounds like that would happen too quick
for the EH to process.

TH




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_24271_28266286.1188147361671-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 16:58:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C412C3BF3F; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c7e802$6fe86bb0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <001601c7e7d4$84d9d5a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <035701c7e7e7$3b4e3030$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: OT: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:59:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19KyY6LLPnlnzVY2BUsI5AM3R9n15iQZq5F2Ay Hdr+P4RTvi83W6KyCnZQ7emXfPk/+l8JDl5sFhrMip2bpNnuqX 73ngTgcovR2emFERL1CePY007Qtl919 Resent-Message-ID: <3Tyz2B.A.t2F.TFb0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:58:59 +0000 (UTC) loops and boobs 3? wet cyber dreams? i made this message an OT, just in case... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. >I played with that? You clever dog. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: AW: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > > >> Krispen said: >> >>> has something to do with looping. If people can use the list >>> to share their thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, >>> food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, movies, porn >>> flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our >> >> Exactly! So one free hardcopy of my next CD (including shipping) to the >> person who can name the porn flicks used as granular sound samples in one >> of >> my kybermusik collaborations with Krispen ;-P >> >> Rainer >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 17:45:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B843BF4F; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CFqoHDemlW0eLKb+/JeujyM6pqf9xwBFnT4VTy1EHKqfY0zsTkoT64+1CrrMuTmT/B4PWXYfQzgYvRt7OfE94JtKlNDGeme6vgRAlxz38kkcuwnQWMhT/ZTHRordq+DiAqOCreN+j4sGlzq15+pm0cvrC5w9TjPBy4e6t7VPlgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qaSkSr2ezR8ktsnctPinhw1E212uSz5/BpdLFdgtDb4a5dfMbelN+Bdjx8JgRLSbVnwhBAioEUxmW0xBAkuTkGrx8sJvnJdzWSk6I1hRMelW4s5rqT4yOThhvLCQ2FHR0b2Wo8jbYquIiOddBPFVZeBLuEu+fcMnb94dq2tlPBs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:45:29 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: FS: SPD-6,Kaoss,AirFX,SU700,MZ-R900,Aphex TYPE C2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24635_9314694.1188150329262" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:45:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24635_9314694.1188150329262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei guys, we have a few items for sale of our studio. just wanted to let you know before they hit ebay. make an offer if interested. we're based in Spain, but can send anywhere. ask for pictures.. paypal accepted. * Roland SPD-6 Percussion Pad * Korg KAOSS Pad * Alesis AirFX * Yamaha SU700 Sampling Unit (with memory upgrade 20MB=112 sec.) * Sony Recording MD MZ-R900 MDLP (plus 10 Sony Premium minidiscs + Caselogic bag) * Aphex Aural Exciter Type C2 Big Bottom -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_24635_9314694.1188150329262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei guys,

we have a few items for sale
of our studio. just wanted
to let you know before they hit ebay.

make an offer if interested.

we're based in Spain,
but can send anywhere.

ask for pictures..
paypal accepted.

* Roland SPD-6 Percussion Pad
* Korg KAOSS Pad
* Alesis AirFX
* Yamaha SU700 Sampling Unit
(with memory upgrade 20MB=112 sec.)
* Sony Recording MD MZ-R900 MDLP
(plus 10 Sony Premium minidiscs + Caselogic bag)
* Aphex Aural Exciter  Type C2 Big Bottom

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_24635_9314694.1188150329262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 18:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5738A3BF0A; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:19:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfn/X/JErYJsv4cQue7rJygsb10uAADcREw In-Reply-To: <038001c7e7fd$7d6658b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0chrO72/g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Kris said: > I would be interested, Rainer, in your analysis and > comparison of the FW400 ($1000), the TC Electronic Konnekt > 24D ($500), Focusrite Saffire Pro10 (4500), M-Audio 1814 > ($500), and Motu UltraLite ($550) - all half rack firewire boxes. You're asking questions...first of all, let me point out that (at least according to the pics on their website) the Focusrite Saffire Pro10 is a full-width 1HU box. Apart from that, let me first explain my requirements when looking for an audio interface: Currently, I'm using a Presonus Firebox together with my trusty old Toshiba laptop. When one day I upgrade to another music-making computer, I'm most probably getting another interface as well. My requirements are to a small degree (namely the form factor) dependant on a computer choice I've yet to make: Laptop or rack-mount computer? I see two possibilities: a laptop or a 2HU rack-mount computer, with the following advantages: Laptop: * can be used independently of other stuff (but that's not that important, as I already got a laptop for my on-travel mail reading etc.) * possible to use an extremely reduced package * no need for additional monitor, keyboard, mouse Rack-mount computer: * individually configurable, parts can be individually replaced and upgraded * can be installed in a rack together with other devices for minimized setup time * more sturdy if mounted in a proper rack * cheaper (?) If I use a laptop, the audio interface will sit next to it and any other devices (mainly Behringer BCR2000) on a table of some sort. Here, a small form factor is a great advantage. If I use a rackmount computer, I won't add any half-rack devices to my setup (at least according to my plan), hence, I don't care whether it's 9.5'' or 19''. Ok, now on to the interfaces you mention, more specifically the Konnekt, about which I researched a little: Obviously (according to recording.org and gearslutz.com), the converters (both directions) of the TC Konnekt win over any direct competition hands-down. The micpres are in the same league as the Fireface's, and thus seem to be about the best in the direct competition (note that the Fireface is the most expensive in this comparison). (next info: own thinking) If you're looking to ease the load of your host CPU by using effects in the interface, then the Konnekt has obviously few but outstanding ones. They offer one stereo channel strip (Finalizer algos) and one reverb (M6000 algos). For me, it totally makes sense to use a (either mic-channel or 2bus) channel strip in the interface, I'm not so sure about the reverb, as obviously you then won't be able to loop the reverb for some crazy reverse loop effects. (next info: sales clerk at a local store): obviously (this was early '07), the first drivers shipped with the Konnekt seemed to have been a shitload of crap. At that time, they were publicly beta-testing an update, which seemed to have fixed some of the problems, but you should definitely try before you buy. When using it stand-alone, you can switch between three user presets on the front panel (and still use the built-in effects). So this may make for a good computer crash mitigation strategy A functionality which btw no-one except for the FF400 seems to offer is the MIDI-controllable stand-alone mixer. Too bad that Luca talked to RME but not to TC Electronics about this... Summarizing: If I had to buy an audio interface right at this moment, it would be the TC Electronic Konnekt24D. I simply don't see a reason (for me) to spend that much more for the Fireface400. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:44:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90BBF3BF3A; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6f3LHN9b3DAktsK4r34wCsreAjzyxvo6gJBPZ06nS9sxUza42Sztdoyd0J997wRMSPsBN97pMq3HfKqPT0Rn4HJe/WjJi3yTVP1Y+MUHPInCkyHGtxuBEvuhG1OMhGF+tknIkJQK0II8n9YMGiOGJdma046oux07CqNSKrDxlLU=; X-YMail-OSG: hWkIyvsVM1mHO24SHYfjHp3c0DUwV4xUY_PxCjQcS5jGJUStz3OEk99qky_OMOfMJqtwVIwLgletjx6hlat9W0D5lSgNOL1r1Wbk3YaNDKJ.ElckTgnPlfBzBcwhmQ-- Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <963485.46750.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:44:30 +0000 (UTC) I think I'm once again the quintessential fence-sitter on this one. Over the years I've been on this list, I've enjoyed many an OT thread. I think the way many of us use our looping gear as part of a larger "extended instrument" sort of makes some sort of overlap into areas that aren't strictly on topic inevitable. I've enjoyed the occasional book list, and discussions of instruments and techniques that are at best only peripheral to looping. On the other hand, sometimes OT threads seem to explode into real inbox-fillers, or start with some sort of tangential relevance only to wander off to areas that might only be of interest to a tiny percentage of listmembers. Overall, I like the way this community has policed itself. We seem to (mostly) steer clear of flame wars and that sort of nastiness that plagues a lot of music-related lists, but I think the key to that is that we ARE usually aware of what's appropriate. -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:46:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A468B3BF2D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004701c7e819$d14b7c00$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Subject: joystick data, midi and bidule Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:46:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C7E82A.921022F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Aj0UvSJf3h8S5HSgmzKxzm4Z1SFYyS6tChjA xFdWv8E3tBHeOVF6GYUWi+XRpnydmbd1jKM3f3g+dga3zD0pLp UxVi2XC2Pz866g3lqf5HYNvp1ryDVE3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C7E82A.921022F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello everybody, you may remember that i started to build a controller for bidule/mobius. this is how far i got: i have 6 switches and a line6 effect pedal (now with a stereo jack) = sending=20 joystick data. i have tested this in vmidijoy and got the lights blinking and a virtual = meter moving. i have found the "hid data extractor" and wired it to a little vst synth = (jxsynth) into my duplex soundcard (thinkpad built in). using the hid data extractor in keyboard mode works: i can play the = synth=20 with key commands. when i change to the usb interface i built and click on "midi learn" i = get=20 the message: "you need at least a MIDI input in the patchbay to control a parameter = from=20 a MIDI controller" i have searched bidule for a midi in object and can't find it. "midi devices" shows an output, only. does anyone have an idea what i should do? (per maybe?) thanx a lot in advance and smooth looping - tilmann ps. just found out, that vmidijoy announces on setup that there are no = midi=20 devices available. bad device id.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C7E82A.921022F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello=20 everybody,
you may remember that i started to build a controller for=20 bidule/mobius.
this is how far i got:

i have 6 switches and a = line6=20 effect pedal (now with a stereo jack) sending
joystick data.
i = have=20 tested this in vmidijoy and got the lights blinking and a virtual =
meter=20 moving.

i have found the "hid data extractor" and wired it to a = little=20 vst synth
(jxsynth) into my duplex soundcard (thinkpad built = in).
using=20 the hid data extractor in keyboard mode works: i can play the synth =
with key=20 commands.

when i change to the usb interface i built and click on = "midi=20 learn" i get
the message:
"you need at least a MIDI input in the = patchbay=20 to control a parameter from
a MIDI controller"

i have = searched bidule=20 for a midi in object and can't find it.
"midi devices" shows an = output,=20 only.
does anyone have an idea what i should do?
(per = maybe?)

thanx=20 a lot in advance and smooth looping - tilmann

ps. just found out, = that=20 vmidijoy announces on setup that there are no midi
devices = available.
bad=20 device id.
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C7E82A.921022F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 19:55:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62F633BF68; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <963485.46750.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:55:37 +0200 Message-ID: <009401c7e81b$12d7ebd0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <963485.46750.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcfoGpkLui/zVlQJT7aENIR0sPo+JQAAC1YA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:55:43 +0000 (UTC) > Overall, I like the way this community has policed > itself. We seem to (mostly) steer clear of flame wars > and that sort of nastiness that plagues a lot of > music-related lists, but I think the key to that is > that we ARE usually aware of what's appropriate. yup, it really works well here. Much better than in many other places. We've even (mostly) stopped making fun of people who try to UNSCRUBSCRIBE. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9011F3BF07; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D1DE64.7040606@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:11:16 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") References: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:01:13 +0000 (UTC) I agree Rainer, in my case the problem is the number of analog ins/outs. If you have enough with the TC, I think it is the way to go. I can't speak about drivers but for saying that Rme is very reliable. my best, luca www.unguitar.com >Rainer wrote: >....Summarizing: >If I had to buy an audio interface right at this moment, it would be the TC >Electronic Konnekt24D. I simply don't see a reason (for me) to spend that >much more for the Fireface400. > > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79BD03BF5D; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ba01c7e81b$ef7c99f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:01:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:01:52 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > : > > Obviously (according to recording.org and gearslutz.com), the converters > (both directions) of the TC Konnekt win over any direct competition > hands-down. The micpres are in the same league as the Fireface's, and thus > seem to be about the best in the direct competition (note that the > Fireface > is the most expensive in this comparison). Interesting. I also noticed that they have special guitar input circuits, which is nice for us guitar players. Did you see the Konnekt Live? Even more interesting. Wow. I may have to explore this more. http://www.tcelectronic.com/KonnektLive.asp It is $700 USD. Rainer, what do you use from the specs to compare mic insert quality? You mentioned the Konnect boxes were hands down better, but how do you know? Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:03:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA73D3BF25; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:03:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c7e81c$26e81220$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfoGpkLui/zVlQJT7aENIR0sPo+JQAAC1YAAABOJhA= In-Reply-To: <009401c7e81b$12d7ebd0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0chrO72/g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <3YvjpB.A.MJG.0xd0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:03:00 +0000 (UTC) > We've even (mostly) stopped making fun of people who try to > UNSCRUBSCRIBE. This is, fortunately, not true...just quoting from last Tuesday a reply to an "UNSUBSCRIBE": "Im afraid thats not possible. This mailing list is a lifetime commitment. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065D83BF6B; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:12:47 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7e81d$78aedd90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfoG/GwnVQn6HO6TYG+d4XlBZkVjQAAEsYw In-Reply-To: <03ba01c7e81b$ef7c99f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0chrO72/g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:12:27 +0000 (UTC) > Did you see the Konnekt Live? Even more interesting. Wow. I > may have to explore this more. > http://www.tcelectronic.com/KonnektLive.asp > > It is $700 USD. I talked with the aforementioned clerk about this just before it got released, and we agreed that a set of phono inputs and a digital filter effect do not justify the extra $200 - or am I missing something here? > Rainer, what do you use from the specs to compare mic insert > quality? You mentioned the Konnect boxes were hands down > better, but how do you know? I assume you're referring to micpres when you write "mic inserts"? And always make sure to quote accurately - here's what I said: "...(according to recording.org and gearslutz.com) the converters (both directions) of the TC Konnekt win over any direct competition hands-down. The micpres are in the same league as the Fireface's...". About the converters: several people had been doing listening tests in their studios, comparing the converters to other boxes in the same league (among them the RME Fireface and ADI-2) and priced above it. The micpre discussion was just...well, discussion among people who made to me a knowledgeable impression. Of course, in that quality range, personal taste and specific applications are important factors (and the application scenario even more so for the micpres). What they did was use small-diaphragm condenser cardioids (AKG451?) as drum OHs, tube cardioid (Brauner) on vocals and small-diaphragm condenser omnis (Schoeps) on a string ensemble - in every case, of course using mic splitters which I can't remember. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:13:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58AAD3BF6C; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 08.28.07 . AUGUST PiNG > THE AMBiENT PiNG's EiGHTH ANNiVERSARY SHiNDiG Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:13:12 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E7FC.00745FB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000000F0C80F01204044B823950906136ABB9E4CA4700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E7FC.00745FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS TUESDAY AUGUST 28TH @ THE PiNG PRESENTS THE AMBiENT PiNG's EiGHTH ANNiVERSARY SHiNDiG FEATURiNG . dreamSTATE . AMBIENT-TV . SYLKEN . NOiNO A PRETTY SONIC SPLATTER . Syn=FE . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY AUGUST 28TH . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . COMiNG iN SEPTEMBER . THE PiNG PRESENTS A BACK=20 TO SCHOOL DRONE . Droners to be announced soon=20 -> watch the PiNG SiTE and PiNG EMAiLS for details=20 LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 25TH . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) =20 . ALSO iN SEPTEMBER . THE PiNG & GALLERiE LE LABO PRESENT=20 SHARE-LABO an improvised collaboration for NUiT BLANCHE =20 -> watch the PiNG SiTE and PiNG EMAiLS for details LiVE MULTiMEDiA iMPROV @ GALLERiE LE LABO THE DiSTiLLERY DiSTRiCT . CANNERY BLDG #58 . ROOM #317 SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 29TH . 7PM - 7AM . FREE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08.28.07 . 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arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013963BF48; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d801c7e81e$baf43d20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000a01c7e81d$78aedd90$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:21:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:21:49 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > > I talked with the aforementioned clerk about this just before it got > released, and we agreed that a set of phono inputs and a digital filter > effect do not justify the extra $200 - or am I missing something here? Only the rugged exterior, I guess. You are right. I could go for the reduced price of the 24. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AC083BF69; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M9XTNbW7vPu6z+UEmjXfEUeWfrk8e4P3hoBQsdkjEhts7qDSRTt7BvjkS3h0A21jdu3qe+6wJlcm+/fLL9vAaZOMbZsngu3LTl06vUiTy2f5EV/BPp6f43GsS+LIggXN7hGICO6i6K42z5Yx4J0EbtAVBe+qnXpFIXMhvDAXKtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A1N4dLww8mZ8CfvjV6H7yF+fMprOSIS7iElG+I2Z6pjLO+drMWAQP2NlE31cFi6+vD7l/GdjcikqVMruxK3eivYz2FkvJ4Z+Eb37r0a1E8XaLHmeCLC/CvI8w4AmDjuhnhH44XQntFW7/KDgfA+eNV+3xF0FPUORbHYdCcQM5DE= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:23:59 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <035701c7e7e7$3b4e3030$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001601c7e7d4$84d9d5a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <035701c7e7e7$3b4e3030$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5Zn8fD.A.PIH.gFe0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Folks around here are more interested in gear-porn than girl-porn, I think. I was looking for something funny to post here, and came up with this from Naomi Wolf: "The porn loop is de rigueur, no longer outside the pale; starlets in tabloids boast of learning to strip from professionals; the "cool girls" go with guys to the strip clubs, and even ask for lap dances; college girls are expected to tease guys at keg parties with lesbian kisses =E0 la Britney and Madonna." I'm not 100% sure what she means, and I'm just not going to read the article to find out. But, the "porn loop." Make what you want out of that. http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/index1.html On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I played with that? You clever dog. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: AW: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > > > > Krispen said: > > > >> has something to do with looping. If people can use the list > >> to share their thoughts and feeling on their favorite books, > >> food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, movies, porn > >> flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our > > > > Exactly! So one free hardcopy of my next CD (including shipping) to the > > person who can name the porn flicks used as granular sound samples in o= ne > > of > > my kybermusik collaborations with Krispen ;-P > > > > Rainer > > > > --=20 http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 26 20:38:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28433BF6B; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lZJngoPsBC6QAfsSLucS1zsxtNGDtS8rqcYXZthesgijGz1gnE0AETNQaJ8w//nUBErgMwfN4jBql3gEnZ89Iefy3dXrOCuamfxuSv5DyRyAlnq6vc1cyY0AtW3BV11W7ifW/7JVzUOlz0Eg7L8bu9B6ZR5SU887iQhhWtlBnPs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QvEWdJSHbvF760lcFPJtn3LinQ6iTnG1oV/8abz8oBvFwwx7iJOm6b0cXFJgE+lOK+6fxaouH32Zzxycrp7TqItoBkM1z2QVsKpOwU9lJVZ/G87usYWzbmm0C/RsnspnhdgkkBdhnQjvh7avuuMX7A4vyFrh3aKIAoRXM9cDwuI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c7e80d$a77bdd40$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Konnekt24D revisited (was "comparison Fireface400 vs. Fireface800") Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:38:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) On 26 aug 2007, at 20.19, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Summarizing: > If I had to buy an audio interface right at this moment, it would > be the TC > Electronic Konnekt24D. I simply don't see a reason (for me) to > spend that > much more for the Fireface400. I wouldn't buy any gear of that sort without doing an extensive hands- on listening test or talk to someone that has done that. Maybe that's why I seem to end up with different RME boxes all the time ;-) You simply get what you pay for. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 01:15:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10C103BF2F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LDDWv+/hZHrp5iitgIl7QBEvnUweW9zsemrxt4PqXSDTx0/Fniyb1I6eleR1FTvodF1ZOBIFdxEVPOyCK4K6Jjo016bUWSG2kZB81KV8VCD+n8vi6eZlFX9XqBD6fVL0N14HfBYCb7A/ji+zo59jxX7j/1XpTg9guAr0YqYoBF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nsqc+4a1P5T/7Zt+Aq/pe1YgHsfuOVH97Sdjg23DAHIe8XBHSBABgKgBcEm5E7mczFdK1lJpIbzOapW3fn8tLsY84Ybixlc4YLvN35eJK2klBIpqy+W2VGZWX6xnbVLlAdYmiQxiJwWIM+KmUmW4VYfLDDZZsxuGAWA9Vdiqgfs= Message-ID: <46D2261F.6090505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:17:19 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: rc-50 v competitors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:15:40 +0000 (UTC) The RC-50 seems to have everything i want (mic hookup, multiple phases to record into,that can all be turned on and off separately and usb hook up for room to grow). but its well outside my price range so i am getting an rc-2 as a starter. I was curious though, does the rc-50 have the same issue of needing to pause to save tracks you just recorded that the rc-2 and rc-20 have? also I was looking for comparisons to similarly priced range competitors. (400 dollars-ish on amazon) any links or personal experiences guys? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 01:35:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16BBA3BF4E; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dlJdjv7X52kaHciEIPB3D1Vc/tKqX9ACeqFauuEnNdvhpq3+S8TCS7bXAiMJq47VuxBCP/o6y1DjmdtlR/83Djb396ephpuQSXfDRP6QL+2OE6tLwCfbjnxbovynSR/cHZSPjlJx7Tqq54CqrIumq280hFQr5WcBmQ+ZYi6Qn8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oh2U6vh8qMlrQQMGjHRkz4oc9MHLUyk1Qg/X1lKaqxC8Gb6LmLBlYhrwqIvy1Ogvb++rsdr5aBkQaY5Q6+cV85/NzaJbf06vCQ9BAcufzGkwPhYr7gwCmpGsbH1fmWwuNZhaeOUD5DNSswrRizTYAZwHkH4IttI/CCQwUiT/5HE= Message-ID: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:37:35 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: rc-2 and a mic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 01:39:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF633BF3F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LhgrNX8EOPwyPh8nKQcPuXlwQi4SnfW576bFmbunrMJBi8J6vHhY1Qc3uhket92YRVRsZ+0wTGZ/UTVe0+jQF+1Ewno7cTYRccr0PFeWvag32ez19TnQ0wQUR2LR7KVNs+mSPJtEmcheqbyTUTVT3BBh/N41yeVbrsetVpkY9F4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kY787FWYVjDXaNMhtXOBV3f1LbNTn1DlD0vcHG1PMN1D7hP5ty2pyYAskEKYMUQ1QEkCt1phEwi8oHI/nBWOPlCKDV88KCfpj2dkmetO7A9TPS8Ayev2rlTzxBNk6fCwtpXJbMHB2Rr1kq1qGl5JQ8DSwso/qFeMfStnscgiq04= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:39:37 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 and a mic In-Reply-To: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Mic preamp and 1/4" out. This one would work, for instance. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART127 On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need > to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional > things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 01:54:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA203BF2D; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AM9xD4gvr842kRy5xS5Ob0O/iU3H06T4Tmfe+LYUJWynhQ2zuXkZLct8RjgiBmu6EvjGnGke6TCcWSIAOsKDgruZ0PdgFzyI7353uHfCV/+Y3V+gdudfaolxqXDnfACvYZZ56jUh5vxBny0JljEmrb3Bxlj8KhkdO8wPkb4keRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QNrz9fSUEI0Go0WjBB9FlDNjRa04+e15CdJ3ivM8rXF2XOcI6jl42YWskFKnVmqY3dufyyAnbyOz4BlS1FWJ7Q6PrNrtYi0T50hK0DYu8GADPYtJ5ho8HxVaV+hmB8EZ6nfp88dMD8CWhX1iDJvaEfSMBf4f7h31uPF5zzWjs1A= Message-ID: <46D22F4C.8030300@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:56:28 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 and a mic References: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Ok cool, now i am curious as to why i cant simply use an xlr to 1/4 cable Kelly Coyle wrote: > Mic preamp and 1/4" out. > > This one would work, for instance. > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART127 > > > > > On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > >> Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need >> to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional >> things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 01:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38DE93BF22; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tt+4UKlavhn2gVf4Av8RRpIHPevVfdyGg63B0vbJSF6YzLwZIkz6D4S+Ee8Hd6tYWALyyHUnqWHL5nUCIObNwpiEN/LFXnISC4xroDw23gsyS/jwYDnWzAM4JTnmvpoaOBoUPfP4l9y31UzxTQnda7Kq5S5siSITK01DstK5e7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RlAgtfFiCD4vpWqOlVkhlORE2midcstpyf5dstF48Lg3yshV0YyfJQ0kV1fsbjVMjapqh/3W6XsvEzInxb6Wmz1H4+m3uTkbZCge8RDkiZdJSX0wQDfDHPv3CYdlpJ0PcMF7R171regNtp2u1pnVbixXa4GqrtccHYndMm8CwA0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:59:57 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 and a mic In-Reply-To: <46D22F4C.8030300@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> <46D22F4C.8030300@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) You need to match levels and impedance between the mic and what the RC-2 expects. Someone else can explain this better than me, but I think the short answer is that it won't sound good. I think there are in-line line matching thingys that *look* like adapter cables -- I'm no expert. I just like answering questions. Let someone else correct my understanding. On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Ok cool, now i am curious as to why i cant simply use an xlr to 1/4 cable > Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Mic preamp and 1/4" out. > > > > This one would work, for instance. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART127 > > > > > > > > > > On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > >> Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need > >> to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional > >> things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 02:06:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4AF93BF48; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sW09vh+CuPLsoOg/DVONyu2RzqHhbKgJ0rVUyj4S/ipDTtoJGDVLpGurObH5/c0QBGn5bGalPUT5jL5fMykljyv4xpHY1jLeR5S8LPgzjXktwkrk6KqpXmqDHynlIJDd09/R3+l5YHvaTdbRXZ514M9r/rfE0arEZM9181YpZeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NyKIs+pBdhshWk7VCKiXtfm33LEJ7tBQk+/RUEBbOJFJCJSfiU6J39+IcGxf1BdLG52Y3hOApf8MfGzkCzC+DADHFJkCEyEvokIhegYKWfUVd0CB7XpgQJDzKZUjlWsvdRnh/cGYBoQO3k9sZjsbEAhs6rt4EtTAl0vdrL5Pvvo= Message-ID: <46D2321B.6090601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:08:27 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rc-2 and a mic References: <46D22ADF.8030803@gmail.com> <46D22F4C.8030300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Oh i believe you, im jsut being cheep. I really jsut want to get an RC-50 and be done with it, but the rc-2 and a preamp will have to do Kelly Coyle wrote: > You need to match levels and impedance between the mic and what the > RC-2 expects. Someone else can explain this better than me, but I > think the short answer is that it won't sound good. I think there are > in-line line matching thingys that *look* like adapter cables -- I'm > no expert. I just like answering questions. Let someone else correct > my understanding. > > > > > > On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > >> Ok cool, now i am curious as to why i cant simply use an xlr to 1/4 cable >> Kelly Coyle wrote: >> >>> Mic preamp and 1/4" out. >>> >>> This one would work, for instance. >>> >>> http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART127 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need >>>> to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional >>>> things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 03:01:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688273BF37; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:MIME-Version:From:Subject:Date:Importance:X-Priority:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=qLqcaWqLn6cUbUMcLnDjTo9Jo5v37QboFSfUHW6nrFCkE2q4q7XFYBBW+qaNCp/hV3MSCLW1PvUkv7m6LPJc40llTwym9emFBB5f+FAQmcDMFvW7LiWEu42xuQN0xyoSpkPHGYdX9ZEBXTHYmPQcYAZi9ui6NbzuxFyXlVkGe14= ; X-YMail-OSG: uvovg4UVM1llPi7AYkog8UDicWCh2WdNkUASZY7n48am19tKCKTcxREz8FQul7P5kjBP0mAfepd0auj66dYnH8UBj7rDFGcfAh5dAo6yKDsoeTXhRg-- MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Murkie Subject: RE: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:05:14 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20070827030124.03BD83BF17@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Wow! Is this availlable as an upgrade!? m TwistedAppleRecords.com -----Original Message----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 8/25/07 2:02 PM Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Raul, Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!! The 2880 (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the list: CC# DV 2880 Parameter 9 0 to 127 Clix level 20 0 to 127 Live signals monitor level 21 0 to 127 Track 1 play/feedback level 22 0 to 127 Track 2 play/feedback level 23 0 to 127 Track 3 play/feedback level 24 0 to 127 Track 4 play/feedback level 25 0 to 127 Mix track play/feedback level 26 0 to 127 Tempo slider 27 0 to 127 Live signals pan 28 0 to 127 Track 1 pan 29 0 to 127 Track 2 pan 30 0 to 127 Track 3 pan 31 0 to 127 Track 4 pan 102 127 Push REC button 103 127 Push NEW button 104 127 Push PLAY button 105 127 Push TRACK SELECT button 106 127 Push EXT SYNC button 107 127 Push MIXDOWN button 108 127 Push STEREO button 109 127 Push REVERSE button 110 127 Push OCTAVE button 111 127 Push PUNCH-IN button 112 127 Push QUANTIZE button 124 0 Change to OMNI=3DOFF 125 0 Change to OMNI=3DON There must be at least 300mS between each button push message.=20 MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES The 2880 also interprets certain Program change messages as=20 button pushes and mute/unmute commands. A program change message has one informati= on byte, P0 (0 to 127), but this is usually presented to the user as be= ing 1 to 128, shown below as P1. P0 P1 2880 Parameter 80 81 Push PLAY button 81 82 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 82 83 Mute/unmute track 2's play **=20 83 84 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** 84 85 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 85 86 Push REC button 86 87 Select track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 87 88 Select track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 88 89 Select track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 89 90 Select track 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 90 91 Push NEW button 91 92 Push QUANTIZE button 92 93 Push REC button 93 94 Push PLAY button 94 95 Push REVERSE button 95 96 Push TRACK SELECT button 96 97 Push STEREO button 97 98 Push PUNCH-IN button 98 99 Push EXT SYNC button 99 100 Push OCTAVE button 100 101 Push PLAY button 101 102 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 102 103 Mute/unmute track 2's play **=20 103 104 Mute/unmute track 3's play **=20 104 105 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 105 106 Push REC button 106 107 Push MIXDOWN button 107 108 Mute/unmute mix track's play ** 108 109 Mute/unmute Dry Out ** 109 110 Mute/unmute clix level ** 110 111 Mute/unmute all play tracks *** ** The single channel mute/unmute action works as follows: If the channel's level is greater than zero when the command is=20 received then the channel will be muted. If the channel's level is zero when the command is received then the level will be set either to that of 2880's panel fader or to that of the last CC message (20..24), depending on which was most recently effective.=20 *** When a mute/unmute all-play-tracks command is received all play tracks will be muted if ANY of them is greater than zero. If ALL of them are zero then each will be set to fader or CC level. MIDI OUT (MIDI THRU) 2880 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI out=20 connector. But in Internal sync mode it does not relay the=20 sequencer commands: STOP START CONT CLOCK. >hi friends, > >just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's >possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc >on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have >MIDI I/O. > >thanks in advance, > >raul. > >-- >The Playing Orchestra:=20 >http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >Chain Tape Collective: =20 >http://www.ct-collective.com >TPO at myspace:=20 >http://www.myspace.com/theplay= ingorchestra --=20 ... http://www.zmix.net= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 04:00:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8133BF48; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46D2261F.6090505@gmail.com> References: <46D2261F.6090505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B950759-D7C4-4B98-9EF8-F2A88BF45C9F@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: rc-50 v competitors Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:02:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:00:30 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 26, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > The RC-50 seems to have everything i want (mic hookup, multiple > phases to record into,that can all be turned on and off separately > and usb hook up for room to grow). but its well outside my price range > also I was looking for comparisons to similarly priced range > competitors. (400 dollars-ish on amazon) any links or personal > experiences guys? > If $400 is your price range, you can get an rc-50. I'm pretty sure I paid $398 at Full Compass (in Wisconsin). Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 05:17:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A92F3BF34; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:17:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_047D_01C7E837.3F14C6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:17:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_047D_01C7E837.3F14C6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter = of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of = the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end = firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube = amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp = VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a = real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) Kris "The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input offers a soft-limiter, which = has been tuned especially for musical instruments. Due to a soft = transition and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input signal is = compressed steplessly according to taste, or the limiter can be used for = distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive circuit too for broad = guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, which can also be = switched on separately, takes low- and high-frequency disturbances away = and guarantees an optimal basic sound even when recording directly into = the computer, or when monitoring through a mixing console. " *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_047D_01C7E837.3F14C6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone comment on the speaker = emulation filter=20 and tube sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list = commented=20 that it was one of the best amp sims they've used. See below.  Is = any other=20 high end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim?
 
I am now focusing on how I can get the = most natural=20 electric guitar/tube amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the = laptop=20 (so, no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, = or by=20 adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator = (hardware)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_047D_01C7E837.3F14C6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 05:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A81E3BF22; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c7e86f$42ea1740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: crap Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:58:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5PXfrD.A.arF.3fm0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: "No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. If you'd like this list to become crap, then so be it. I'll start forwarding every little thing that interests me to the list." Mark, I like you a lot and respect your music but there are times when you act in such a reactionary way that it reminds me of the little kid who says, "If you don't agree with me, then I'll either take my ball and go home or throw a tantrum." It's okay to agree to disagree, bro. It's also ethical to include an OT on a topic that seems to some to be tangential to the looping experience so that you can filter it out if you don't want to read it. Very obviously, several people who have been active participants in this community for many years find value in those threads, specifically as it relates to looping eventually. The OT: Reading thread has been a popular thread. Many loopers here have participated and contributed. I support your right to filter out such content because you don't see it's relevance or because you don't read. It would be nice if you in return supported several people's desire to be able to read more about the members of this community as a way of getting to know why they make the music they do with looping machines. It doesn't have to be crap just because you don't get your way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 07:14:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFDB63BF1A; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W7/WEa451drWqK51txg3AY9e69/yPDQShJmbqRJAwsiHkfrcb6QnBb8JcSczhuzVk/amG4NN4WDVp2DkODCK6pwFtZmPjtDugSvyNrl4KxMQbQWwty9sQsL8I31oXxC+wJTEYar3tG2ZJ+xisspW+vzCKbWAuJy5B1NbMcsIP6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gr66lCnY4pVSWNDvjDkY6kNMN/jDZ/wF5Lj468LUSUAtQijIWoelImTeAbl7q6JLR8PFaHdyyborXOjeZjx23MYu3w9KqfHn8WYthUdwe/4zXtPpS4fmhj5awA7DtgsR8FU6V1D1yMdROba9752FkUlj/Kfuk/UK4bexhpMizUc= In-Reply-To: <009001c7e86f$42ea1740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <009001c7e86f$42ea1740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: crap Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:14:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Just a quick tip: It needs just a few mouse clicks to delete every post of a certain subject line. This is how you do: - With one of the "crap" posts selected, click on the column header "Subject" to group all "crap" posts together. - With the shift key held down, click on the first and the last "crap" post to select all of them. - Hit the delete button. This works in any local email client if subscribing to separate mails. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 09:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46093BF2F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c7e889$81cd0890$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <004701c7e819$d14b7c00$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: joystick data, midi and bidule Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:06:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C7E89A.43F51010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+YDE9NoT6fi+PE49sJJ/MBjZUReCSmubxxoI TAJHiX1iA6Q5MUyeN3p8J+SDHkTbFNu11TtnzsTAKv/VvFNzwY 68BE6QpqsC39uUAjFbF/0Zm8ht4veJk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:05:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C7E89A.43F51010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable help - help - help ! i have tried to get hubis loopback device running as a midi in device - = and failed. the instructions for set up are for windows 98. anybody have a link for = a newer version=20 or any suggestion for a similar program? tilmann hello everybody, you may remember that i started to build a controller for = bidule/mobius. this is how far i got: i have 6 switches and a line6 effect pedal (now with a stereo jack) = sending=20 joystick data. i have tested this in vmidijoy and got the lights blinking and a = virtual=20 meter moving. i have found the "hid data extractor" and wired it to a little vst = synth=20 (jxsynth) into my duplex soundcard (thinkpad built in). using the hid data extractor in keyboard mode works: i can play the = synth=20 with key commands. when i change to the usb interface i built and click on "midi learn" i = get=20 the message: "you need at least a MIDI input in the patchbay to control a parameter = from=20 a MIDI controller" i have searched bidule for a midi in object and can't find it. "midi devices" shows an output, only. does anyone have an idea what i should do? (per maybe?) thanx a lot in advance and smooth looping - tilmann ps. just found out, that vmidijoy announces on setup that there are no = midi=20 devices available. bad device id.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C7E89A.43F51010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
help - help - help !
 
i have tried to get hubis loopback = device running=20 as a midi in device - and failed.
the instructions for set up are for = windows 98.=20 anybody have a link for a newer version
or any suggestion for a similar=20 program?
 
tilmann

hello=20 everybody,
you may remember that i started to build a controller = for=20 bidule/mobius.
this is how far i got:

i have 6 switches and = a line6=20 effect pedal (now with a stereo jack) sending
joystick data.
i = have=20 tested this in vmidijoy and got the lights blinking and a virtual =
meter=20 moving.

i have found the "hid data extractor" and wired it to a = little=20 vst synth
(jxsynth) into my duplex soundcard (thinkpad built = in).
using=20 the hid data extractor in keyboard mode works: i can play the synth =
with=20 key commands.

when i change to the usb interface i built and = click on=20 "midi learn" i get
the message:
"you need at least a MIDI input = in the=20 patchbay to control a parameter from
a MIDI controller"

i = have=20 searched bidule for a midi in object and can't find it.
"midi = devices"=20 shows an output, only.
does anyone have an idea what i should = do?
(per=20 maybe?)

thanx a lot in advance and smooth looping - = tilmann

ps.=20 just found out, that vmidijoy announces on setup that there are no = midi=20
devices available.
bad device id.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C7E89A.43F51010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 09:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775F23BF22; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 606426702-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.209.33 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAOs60kZPQtEh/2dsb2JhbACCIASidQ Message-ID: <46D29E36.60201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:49:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. References: <000901c7e81c$26e81220$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000901c7e81c$26e81220$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4dkEzC.A.hwD.24p0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) no, that's just kindly advice Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> We've even (mostly) stopped making fun of people who try to >> UNSCRUBSCRIBE. > > This is, fortunately, not true...just quoting from last Tuesday a reply to > an "UNSUBSCRIBE": > "Im afraid thats not possible. This mailing list is a lifetime commitment. " > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 12:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA9873BEFF; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2BE0@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <68668978-9397-4C13-A00A-EA8C218D3EDD@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Laptop Looping Thread-Index: Acfoqeuly6CLR+OcQyGGVXtg2JQA8w== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2007 12:58:11.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC398C60:01C7E8A9] Resent-Message-ID: <1OKtwC.A.xaB.mps0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Incredibly helpful write-up, indeed. The advice to select the apps and then get a computer to suit is something I never would have thought of, but seems so obvious once said. I've been an Echo user for many years and am still happy with a Layla24 laptop that connects via a PCIcard. As my Vaio nears 6 years old and I envision replacing it, I have been pondering whether to get a new interface. The University where I work has an agreement with Lenovo that makes them available at great reduced prices, but I think Kris has noted they don't come with Firewire... and I don't see it in a quick scan this morning of the Lenovo web site. I intend to run Bidule with Mobius, Halion, Absynth 3, Garritan Jazz, and maybe Guitar Rig as VSTs. I have taken inspiration from Per's Audio Switcher/ multiple VST chains concept and so also run a batch of more modest VSTs along with these major applications. I have pretty much this setup running on a desktop now, though it taxes the system and pops and crackles start to happen if I try to use too much at one time. This desktop computer is essentially a big MIDI device that I connect to my Vaio running Cubase SX3. This machine also has an Other World Computing Firewire-connected hard drive that hosts the Halion and Garritan banks. My intention is to switch this around when I replace the Vaio - run Cubase on the desktop and make the laptop the Bidule/Mobius beast - other than the desire to run more software synths and samplers, the laptop setup would be very similar to Per's. One reason to do so is that the laptop then becomes a part of a slimmed-down live setup. The smallest cash outlay would assume a Thinkpad with the greatest RAM and processor speed possible and continued use of the Layla 24. Some folks have mentioned that the PCIcard connection is actually faster, all else being equal, that Firewire. On the other hand, maybe PCIcard connectors are fading away. Than there is the issue of the outboard hard-drive - which seems essential for using Halion, etc. As I write this I'm beginning to think the absence of Firewire makes even a great deal on a Lenovo a lousy investment for a music computer. Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. I want to research this thoroughly before leaping. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping On 25 aug 2007, at 04.44, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > This email is about my battle with CRACK, BUZZ, and SNAP and what I > am doing to win the battle! Hope this isn't too long-winded -- I =20 > hope this saves someone some frustration. Here is my tale: Excellent write-up, Kevin! We need people, now and then, taking the =20 time to put the pieces together and give us the big picture. > Live looping is an application where you are both monitoring the > output data and playing in sync with the computer. So, the latency =20 > that is unnoticable in a recording situation becomes a big factor =20 > for live looping. Just one comment on the above: Some software loopers do compensate =20 well for latency. Myself I have only done deep testing of Mobius in =20 this regard and I can truly say that this Windows looper does it =20 perfectly well. When looping on Mac I tend to make a different kind =20 music that doesn't need the timing that typically gets ruined by =20 latency. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 13:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC343BF16; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GSkmtu96gT2myCEGT2zkhBJfb8XPljlCgZQ5CpCvf9ej1G+jNOG5Nek2zLgKmqc/1wNxTBDsKKx6DxcoIAzLIsoSyPfl6e5D5BttBcsGWc401vQWJae1zKkpAD3pe6KfYuST9K3lKxS/XLOMADkAefKEVcOZ2ztZe/mDExmi98k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lkIEEu1LPrb37Ey+ux+KivboRc5npFQjxyjnicQAqIIaXtmKQrLn/zFcLcf3PqfrN44+BQLjlfJ4sV+3hdbtjWdpi+7hJ0lhfQtG0lFGfqadByJ3AORdb2Cm0UdoFHJs07UsLbDZ+WdOSBU8u6GvSOxUfFtRV7J5i6wid75SgJ4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2BE0@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2BE0@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <723879A7-3866-4538-B33D-400C069919AF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:41:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 14.58, Dean, Hal wrote: > Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. I want to research > this > thoroughly before leaping. > The smallest cash outlay would assume a Thinkpad with the greatest RAM > and processor speed possible and continued use of the Layla 24. Some > folks have mentioned that the PCIcard connection is actually > faster, all > else being equal, that Firewire. My thoughts on this is that it is correct. PCI is faster, but on the other hand the only users for whom this becomes a problematic issue are those guys that do multi channel recordings utilizing dozens of parallel microphones, working "on the edge of disc streaming capabilities". For looping the "slow" FireWire 400 is totally efficient. > On the other hand, maybe PCIcard > connectors are fading away. Maybe. But if you buy a fast computer and PCI based external gear today you can use it for a decade and make loads of gorgeous music. PCI is not very compatible with laptops though. FireWire seems to be the most future proof streaming protocol for audio - and it definitely is the most convenient, if you want to be mobile and focus more on music then on trimming gear setups. > Than there is the issue of the outboard > hard-drive - which seems essential for using Halion, etc. Why is that an issue? Plug them in and go! I have two huge external Fire Wire drives here that I constantly move between Macs and PC's for recording and back-up purpose. No issues. > As I write this I'm beginning to think the absence of Firewire makes > even a great deal on a Lenovo a lousy investment for a music computer. Are you hinting that Lenovo doesn't support Firewire? Holy Transducer! Now THAT might be an issue, as you are thinking. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 13:50:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8F03BF34; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hpZv4c80Sux1qsnlFUnbplPzp7DILokoeUiTS6z17p2M62oKSDmZeffhwlpWxPOsd2BAG+Ze+h8YydgBnWOR5i91TXKGxMQevxw386J9+wVBT28jaqKE4ly8SaAPBndSjCrCfIAifnN76uEMW0zy/595GYg/6WzmqTKcQvgSue8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=El97Ub7c5LuQw+/HQF1JYYX370u4utLhlspR8AjuKS/qXeWGD5mToxRwTomDN9UmQX1aWHLPVvhP2veS3KzeGiftc8zzX5dck8G/BOt8k2Hd1nw/8gwjdJeFxuLHokBSWJi67hUBizf+cj/R0TF3ZFgGKHRbnovr7Ge20i7hhAI= Message-ID: <15d0840708270650ve9586c6xd9f7d5670f22d32f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:50:52 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping In-Reply-To: <723879A7-3866-4538-B33D-400C069919AF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8489_6288130.1188222652947" References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2BE0@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> <723879A7-3866-4538-B33D-400C069919AF@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:50:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8489_6288130.1188222652947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline UNSUBSCRIBE. Thank you all for your help. I've just started with Ableton and the postings have really helped me on my way. Im just getting too distracted with all these emails that touch on things that I am not experienced enough to get my head around. Ill be back someday Im sure. *single tear* On 8/27/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 27 aug 2007, at 14.58, Dean, Hal wrote: > > > Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. I want to research > > this > > thoroughly before leaping. > > > The smallest cash outlay would assume a Thinkpad with the greatest RAM > > and processor speed possible and continued use of the Layla 24. Some > > folks have mentioned that the PCIcard connection is actually > > faster, all > > else being equal, that Firewire. > > My thoughts on this is that it is correct. PCI is faster, but on the > other hand the only users for whom this becomes a problematic issue > are those guys that do multi channel recordings utilizing dozens of > parallel microphones, working "on the edge of disc streaming > capabilities". For looping the "slow" FireWire 400 is totally efficient. > > > On the other hand, maybe PCIcard > > connectors are fading away. > > Maybe. But if you buy a fast computer and PCI based external gear > today you can use it for a decade and make loads of gorgeous music. > PCI is not very compatible with laptops though. FireWire seems to be > the most future proof streaming protocol for audio - and it > definitely is the most convenient, if you want to be mobile and focus > more on music then on trimming gear setups. > > > Than there is the issue of the outboard > > hard-drive - which seems essential for using Halion, etc. > > Why is that an issue? Plug them in and go! I have two huge external > Fire Wire drives here that I constantly move between Macs and PC's > for recording and back-up purpose. No issues. > > > As I write this I'm beginning to think the absence of Firewire makes > > even a great deal on a Lenovo a lousy investment for a music computer. > > Are you hinting that Lenovo doesn't support Firewire? Holy > Transducer! Now THAT might be an issue, as you are thinking. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_8489_6288130.1188222652947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
UNSUBSCRIBE.
 
Thank you all for your help. I've just started with Ableton and the postings have really helped me on my way. Im just getting too distracted with all these emails that touch on things that I am not experienced enough to get my head around. Ill be back someday Im sure. *single tear*

 
On 8/27/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On 27 aug 2007, at 14.58, Dean, Hal wrote:

> Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated. I want to research
> this
> thoroughly before leaping.

> The smallest cash outlay would assume a Thinkpad with the greatest RAM
> and processor speed possible and continued use of the Layla 24. Some
> folks have mentioned that the PCIcard connection is actually
> faster, all
> else being equal, that Firewire.

My thoughts on this is that it is correct. PCI is faster, but on the
other hand the only users for whom this becomes a problematic issue
are those guys that do multi channel recordings utilizing dozens of
parallel microphones, working "on the edge of disc streaming
capabilities". For looping the "slow" FireWire 400 is totally efficient.

> On the other hand, maybe PCIcard
> connectors are fading away.

Maybe. But if you buy a fast computer and PCI based external gear
today you can use it for a decade and make loads of gorgeous  music.
PCI is not very compatible with laptops though. FireWire seems to be
the most future proof streaming protocol for audio - and it
definitely is the most convenient, if you want to be mobile and focus
more on music then on trimming gear setups.

> Than there is the issue of the outboard
> hard-drive - which seems essential for using Halion, etc.

Why is that an issue? Plug them in and go! I have two huge external
Fire Wire drives here that I constantly move between Macs and PC's
for recording and back-up purpose. No issues.

> As I write this I'm beginning to think the absence of Firewire makes
> even a great deal on a Lenovo a lousy investment for a music computer.

Are you hinting that Lenovo doesn't support Firewire? Holy
Transducer! Now THAT might be an issue, as you are thinking.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)







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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_8489_6288130.1188222652947-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:38:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700F73BF17; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:37:57 +0200 From: daviD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard References: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 82.247.8.105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Just a quick word from a someone who reads the list regularly, uses the digest version, rarely posts and has already unsubscribed several times because of the 'signal to noise ratio' (with noise just defined as something not related to looping here) : not everyone can or wants to filter the messages coming from an already quite specialized mailing list. I use the digest version of the list, for several reasons. I won't change to a non-digest version, I'd rather just unsubscribe. So, filtering each mail is not possible for me. When there are more messages not related to what I signed for than messages that do interest me, I unsubscribe again... I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good thing to set up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on googlegroups for example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off Topic", just like Analogue Heaven Off Topic (AHOT) existed a few years ago for people from the AH list who wanted to talk about other things than analogue synths. This way, people who want both on-topic and off-topic subscribe to both, people who just want one thing have what they signed for :) "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:54:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BA613BF21; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: PDIF I/O Question. More laptop stuff. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:53:57 +0000 Message-Id: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire interface? Is there an increase in performance? Does it effect tone? Do you use standard RCA cables? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 14:55:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0420E3BF35; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RJRNQXSjWWH3o26FctBl5om5mOw6Uu1CVA4gTYq2E4/L5ETfqhbSf4NqLnWHkG635tT1QXd/buRHmWbiTvLYqTe/WKNRt3FmTZdhKO9+qsTy5MZThroeIXYtKMS0hPh+m1drFiEeU9Yn1mSPSV5Fi0jwmVzl7JMjZhCdNOCkSUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P5hO3NQnNWbfuYigv1vrBcnjW4DBxfCz1Vkt6ytZtsBkpYAdPUU8LmrNqjQid5Rt6qtEToyv4wuu/kCH43xJadh9kkIyBouUvdU8Km5flVtjVPOAOt+OjxwocVH3KdvhLlwkPICG8C5bCY4Zl/zLOYXJwrpvlXHd90cICJC0cUM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> References: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:55:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:55:20 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 16.37, daviD wrote: > I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good > thing to set > up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on > googlegroups for > example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off > Topic", just > like Analogue Heaven Off Topic (AHOT) existed a few years ago for > people from > the AH list who wanted to talk about other things than analogue > synths. > > This way, people who want both on-topic and off-topic subscribe to > both, people > who just want one thing have what they signed for :) I think that's an excellent idea! Fact is I'm already a member of another list that did exactly this; the Logic User Group. Since I like to get even the noise I subscribe to both of them and have my inbox filtering set up to drop both lists into the same folder. So in my reading praxis I don't need to know if a post is OT or part of the regular list. I just scan the subject lines, select unread posts and make a quick decision depending on my working situation; which to delete en masse, read or file for later reading. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:11:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FD033BF44; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CV6x8v/QxpeU03xahKJHIVw/zWgP8cLyUWRFwyIVU3fC3pQtSPAEUzacv0HM20LKxyu/XS6Bxm/SHpZrsHtW2lXtSP4jFQ7WqAfASqd23nrWM8bz6O4VNqjstYN9p0p15YCsPxgsZfUEIQTpA1ALDEi9UdocKhhpB3mvZ9m8ac8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uYdepZ5o3PBPXmljen7iE/N0rmRqO7dheo0f2p3l7+3Eqn4Tp5+bTHerUDLMtZ/wpqQRzt/vhC9+eAAE07Ov27hmR2deBUbe2hY17U+eZjip5mUt9Dctc8y6VgoNP3oedImORH6K+t3R3uFwfd2RQ5DdCVeRc6zqEmgkdka4BL8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F971085-45EB-4F53-8CEF-E548D95812F1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: PDIF I/O Question. More laptop stuff. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:11:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:11:17 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 16.53, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire > interface? Is there an increase in performance? Does it effect > tone? Do you use standard RCA cables? > Thanks Yes, I have streamed S/PDIF from external hardware (effect rack devices or other computers) into a FW interface's S/PDIF port. Both with RCA cables and the recommended "digital cables" and I did not notice any dropouts with the basic RCA cables. That is coaxial S/PDIF (not optical S/PDIF). Didn't note any difference in performance either.... but I'm not sure I understand the question correctly. Are you asking if a S/PDIF port on a Firewire based interface eats up more CPU compared to a S/PDIF port on the motherboard? If so, I don't think so. I have been using an Apple G5 a lot and this pc has an optical S/PDIF input, but I have not thought about measuring "performance". My guess is that any such eventual difference would be just microscopic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:25:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA573BF22; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T/DMaTpk4OaPHJgzbjI04vIaGE/neLyEJ+wxEWE8MopAIXctap9ZmFDNKy2TNLMJai2WeRz/xSDz16I47hb6reB8deW6sbqri0qpdCuWVSOJPgzLmroNxYYvPtEWSMOWtOCab06WCyDG4kdWuxd855JTDnKMVXMnhFsOy7Yta0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jrOswFx8tf7c9k7B7K09WMEwQW4/55ujc9oChLECgdKlw8BGrQR+LXVQLbusv+CE4Ak1OzpYs0d8whR3HGjeXy76U1TZPmNJbQW/q1J0Muvtt79PcVaZHZW9x+TCkfUsF1iIt7pn6igRPx6un8ra+eSwwjMyxMsJuupWBLZca/E= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:25:14 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7181_6307971.1188228314886" References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:25:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7181_6307971.1188228314886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic > "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may > eventually > figure it out... > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with > >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling > >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, > >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into > our > >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just > about > >> everything is inter-related, > > > > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > > > ...but, > > > > let's put OT in the header > > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > > > andy butler > > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_7181_6307971.1188228314886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview.  -m

On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic
"Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually
figure it out...

K-
----- Original Message -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with
>> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling
>> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects,
>> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our
>> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about
>> everything is inter-related,
>
>
> hmm... not convinced by that ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> From what I know of Kim's intentions,
> Mark is quite right to put forward such rules,
> ...and it's quite right to disagree with him.
>
> ...but,
>
> let's put OT in the header
> ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic
>
> andy butler




--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_7181_6307971.1188228314886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:39:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9FED3BF34; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> References: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04E735EE-EE2F-43DB-8190-F820D76DAE65@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:39:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Finally, someone has suggested a reasonable compromise to this "issue". Thanx daviD. I agree with daviD. A Looper's Delight Off Topic (LDOT) is the answer to this "issue". I, for one, have grown a wee bit weary over the continuing debate over this, although it also has been interesting to hear different viewpoints, and how some people frame their arguments,etc. I also was previously on AH / AHOT a few years ago, and AHOT took the heat off of Analogue Heaven and everyone became happy campers again with this very EZ solution. I vote for a separate LDOT list. But, in the meantime, I will not forget the "delete" function should I not care to read something. :-) In peace, -Rev. Fever On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:37 AM, daviD wrote: > > I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good > thing to set > up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on > googlegroups for > example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off > Topic", just > like Analogue Heaven Off Topic (AHOT) existed a few years ago for > people from > the AH list who wanted to talk about other things than analogue > synths. > > This way, people who want both on-topic and off-topic subscribe to > both, people > who just want one thing have what they signed for :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:45:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AC03BEF7; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 617446790-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.209.33 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAOON0kZPQtEh/2dsb2JhbACCJKNe Message-ID: <46D2F191.2090601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:45:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PDIF I/O Question. More laptop stuff. References: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:45:19 +0000 (UTC) I sometimes use coaxial SPDIF ( but with an M-Audio Delta 66 pci card) As far as the pc is concerned, it's just another input. I do this because I have an AD converter which has better quality than the M-Audio Delta 66. I use 75ohm cable, as I make my own cables it's just as easy/cheap. I've heard it said that cables under 3m are not a good idea. One thing is that the automated latency compensation by a multi-track audio app which made everything so easy in the past suddenly stops working because of the extra latency introduced by the external converters ( no way the pc can know about that) all this info should be the same for Firewire. andy butler ps (make sure your firewire interface can lock it's clock to the incoming spdif, otherwise there'll either be occasional glitches, or there'll be SRC running somewhere which will degrade the quality) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire interface? Is there an increase in performance? Does it effect tone? Do you use standard RCA cables? > Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:46:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027AE3BF06; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TJfUOEy3atSUMhMauSKvxxuTPacgB/H6csZvMYljtEVOy+RlNC7HHenYCDnIMRduI2dkXAlH81B2Isnv3sHnfjwrds1Uz3mU1p4E5alMOd0nn75LyFHlac8ocv3midBf7t8nxj6vJQg3AeZR7B0j/0uF/+8w8X7Z341FNHCsKSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G03QWwyuVzt98AGDt9UUbK59UsF1X6E3jCY/cFVWF1Os5WiQz/Dy+EiANVnHOEJCj835WFgFS0gtO90xl2wliGR8NEfpcp8ku6IVNQ6Agut+eAmGL9xhYoWvMRycwyHJEOO243wvaIjrmVxkpNWGQFCBbuXe/SKHJuJ7azhCXwM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:46:40 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard In-Reply-To: <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:46:42 +0000 (UTC) What a fabulous idea. TH On 8/27/07, daviD wrote: > > I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good thing to set > up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on googlegroups for > example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off Topic", just > like Analogue Heaven Off Topic (AHOT) existed a few years ago for people from > the AH list who wanted to talk about other things than analogue synths. > > This way, people who want both on-topic and off-topic subscribe to both, people > who just want one thing have what they signed for :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:55:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D683BF5C; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <55581.167.83.10.20.1188230142.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <3F971085-45EB-4F53-8CEF-E548D95812F1@gmail.com> References: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3F971085-45EB-4F53-8CEF-E548D95812F1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop mixer From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone use or know of a USB/firwire mixer interface for a laptop? I do all my recording in a D1200 but have gotten to like transferring the tracks to my laptop for mixdown/mastering purposes but virtual sliders bug me... Thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 15:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF9C3BF62; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c733699f-1844-422b-8356-1d8f21a6bb01_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.98] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: Laptop mixer Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:59:24 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <55581.167.83.10.20.1188230142.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3F971085-45EB-4F53-8CEF-E548D95812F1@gmail.com> <55581.167.83.10.20.1188230142.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2007 15:59:24.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D547380:01C7E8C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:59:26 +0000 (UTC) --_c733699f-1844-422b-8356-1d8f21a6bb01_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 M-Audio makes a few of these ... MIDI USB mixer devices that is .... all pr= etty reasonably priced. I own one and am happy with it. =20 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:55:42 -0400> Subject: Laptop mixer> From: mike@= michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Does anyone = use or know of a USB/firwire mixer interface for a laptop? I> do all my rec= ording in a D1200 but have gotten to like transferring the> tracks to my la= ptop for mixdown/mastering purposes but virtual sliders bug> me...> > Thoug= hts?> >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=3D7+wonders+world&mkt=3Den-US&form=3DQ= BRE= --_c733699f-1844-422b-8356-1d8f21a6bb01_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
M-Audio makes a few of these ... MIDI USB mixer devices that is .... all pr= etty reasonably priced.  I own one and am happy with it.
 

> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:55:42 -0400
> Subject: Laptop mixe= r
> From: mike@michaelplishka.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
>
> Does anyone use or know of a USB/firwire mixe= r interface for a laptop? I
> do all my recording in a D1200 but have= gotten to like transferring the
> tracks to my laptop for mixdown/ma= stering purposes but virtual sliders bug
> me...
>
> Tho= ughts?
>
>


Explore the seven wonders of th= e world Learn more! = --_c733699f-1844-422b-8356-1d8f21a6bb01_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D15333BF56; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WRLmrmzGEhddyyY5ItV5C3mZRKYP/tNqXD3+l4151kB0W4HwcaqP/BE4ElAaeq96p/kG+KalHDvIo1ezUW1Ot6iIdyR6W75KVeuPjb7jXvT3pO1J+HIJMXS7DzrS6VvAFCraeszbDv2wkKNLeG8FpxObR5TDPN/aP/Qs08+6byA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZiSyroaWpk0DksBu8q+voN/6XsWeNZjpbZwqip5aAylbmLU7b3FpYf74rc450zK4oYrGZxJKDtIncl7kqxxkSC1BnNuJsUOh8kjPGZqVJ+TUIhpWQiqudFCTH3JgShdXI1nPMMyVPOi8rYzdUmaOZHwKW9vJ9T3h43pi8hVLE7s= Message-ID: <4759e5740708270901p1be9644fpa47266ae4b8e272@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:01:52 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop mixer In-Reply-To: <55581.167.83.10.20.1188230142.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_89250_21983008.1188230512069" References: <082720071453.3170.46D2E585000CE85500000C622215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3F971085-45EB-4F53-8CEF-E548D95812F1@gmail.com> <55581.167.83.10.20.1188230142.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_89250_21983008.1188230512069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've used a JLCooper CS-32 for awhile, and enjoying it... it is cute as a button, small, secure... good for traveling gigs. It fell apart from usage, but they repaired it for me for 100 bucks... this was after 3 years of heavy use... i also use my novation remote sl37, but it's a bitch to carry with on a gig... automap is very cool though. hard to beat. for actual recording consoles though, the mackie control can't be beat IMHO On 8/27/07, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > > Does anyone use or know of a USB/firwire mixer interface for a laptop? I > do all my recording in a D1200 but have gotten to like transferring the > tracks to my laptop for mixdown/mastering purposes but virtual sliders bug > me... > > Thoughts? > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_89250_21983008.1188230512069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've used a JLCooper CS-32 for awhile, and enjoying it... it is cute as a button, small, secure... good for traveling gigs.


It fell apart from usage, but they repaired it for me for 100 bucks... this was after 3 years of heavy use...

i also use my novation remote sl37, but it's a bitch to carry with on a gig... automap is very cool though.

hard to beat.

for actual recording consoles though, the mackie control can't be beat IMHO

On 8/27/07, mike@michaelplishka.com <mike@michaelplishka.com > wrote:
Does anyone use or know of a USB/firwire mixer interface for a laptop?  I
do all my recording in a D1200 but have gotten to like transferring the
tracks to my laptop for mixdown/mastering purposes but virtual sliders bug
me...

Thoughts?





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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_89250_21983008.1188230512069-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:02:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034AC3BF7E; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QvfI6FeuIbOGkfQlMMyOgDYHN92whYGVT1ETnnZFBCRe/q86DyWCqVDwjSywx49BVmUGEOvT7WLE7gD+15s0qOKacu8fdlavKs9sZfrz9ZcIRJ5KFCyoy70qsSM24gIGhHczPdzVymDfbVWzy9cnB5TBiCe2wXNC3KI2KnXzhT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=agBpGCfan+rBxHh5Olfob1sXxP4cHXSxSWbKLicXcj5wFEoegL+Qdv7VEFIct9QIwO8AHhNJEFPFMOgsm/6NTWy5ik2EHP0t+QyL3troiAi9duvUOml+w4SskOYt2uOGQeza94kVBPmTGijtXRxndP9lskMg/EwFQTCNnFdeY3Q= Message-ID: <15d0840708270902q3cf8ec31o983ae83959664e11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:08 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8738_1614000.1188230528960" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:02:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8738_1614000.1188230528960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline UNSUBSCRIBE On 8/27/07, andy butler wrote: > > I sometimes use coaxial SPDIF > ( but with an M-Audio Delta 66 pci card) > > As far as the pc is concerned, it's just another input. > > I do this because I have an AD converter which has better quality than the > M-Audio Delta 66. > > I use 75ohm cable, as I make my own cables it's just as easy/cheap. > I've heard it said that cables under 3m are not a good idea. > > > One thing is that the automated latency compensation by a multi-track > audio app which made everything so easy in the past suddenly stops working > because of the extra latency introduced by the external converters ( no way > the pc can know about that) > > all this info should be the same for Firewire. > > andy butler > ps > (make sure your firewire interface can lock it's clock to the incoming > spdif, > otherwise there'll either be occasional glitches, or there'll be SRC > running > somewhere which will degrade the quality) > > > > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire > interface? Is there an increase in performance? Does it effect tone? Do you > use standard RCA cables? > > Thanks > > > > > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_8738_1614000.1188230528960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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On 8/27/07, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
I sometimes use coaxial SPDIF
( but with an M-Audio Delta 66 pci card)

As far as the pc is concerned, it's just another input.

I do this because I have an AD converter which has better quality than the M-Audio Delta 66.

I use 75ohm cable, as I make my own cables it's just as easy/cheap.
I've heard it said that cables under 3m are not a good idea.


One thing is that the automated latency compensation by a multi-track audio app which made everything so easy in the past suddenly stops working because of the extra latency introduced by the external converters ( no way the pc can know about that)

all this info should be the same for Firewire.

andy butler
ps
(make sure your firewire interface can lock it's clock to the incoming spdif,
otherwise there'll either be occasional glitches, or there'll be SRC running
somewhere which will degrade the quality)






midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
> Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire interface? Is there an increase in performance? Does it effect tone? Do you use standard RCA cables?
> Thanks
>
>




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Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_8738_1614000.1188230528960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:16:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD3E3BF59; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:16:01 EDT Subject: o.t. what size shoes do you wear.....:) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c05.1e87b282.340452c1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:16:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c05.1e87b282.340452c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/07 11:47:13 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > Call it "Loopers Delight Off Topic" > i love this idea.....for the longest time i have felt like a donut baker at an electronics convention reading LD.....i do not use 99% of the equipment talked about nor do i use a laptop for looping.....when i first bought my cz 5000 with built in 8 trac sequencer for "looping" i was an avid reader of "ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN" because that is what i wanted to be!.....midi was just coming to fore and i thought that i would be riding the crest of moderninity.....sorry to say, life got in the way as did my hope of learning thru ozmosis, reading more just didn't work.....LD is sort of becoming like that to me, i use the delete button more and more, < 85%.....i have no problem with this, that's why GOD created the delete button.....i'm more of a "verbal" traditional guy, i would prefer to sit with per or rick or andy and learn this stuff.....that's the beauty of loop fests.....BUT.....i do feel that many of the folks on LD are more than names and that i count and charish them in my limited number of friends and it is through LD that we communicate.....i care about per's sons, rick's crazy life and andy's peta.....i want to know what michael peter's is reading because i bet i would enjoy it also.....and i thought i was ANAL!.....an LDOT would be kool by me.....then i could say "hey xyz how's your life?" and not feel ackward.....or i can come to your house for a few weeks, how would you like that?.....:).....michael the king of donutz p.s. 10 EEE www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_c05.1e87b282.340452c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/27/07 11:47:13 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:


Call it "Loopers Deli= ght Off Topic"


i love this idea.....for the longest time i have felt like a donut baker=20= at an electronics convention reading LD.....i do not use 99% of the equipmen= t talked about nor do i use a laptop for looping.....when i first bought my=20= cz 5000 with built in 8 trac sequencer for "looping" i was an avid reader of= "ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN" because that is what i wanted to be!.....midi was jus= t coming to fore and i thought that i would be riding the crest of modernini= ty.....sorry to say, life got in the way as did my hope of learning thru ozm= osis, reading more just didn't work.....LD is sort of becoming like that to=20= me, i use the delete button more and more, < 85%.....i have no problem wi= th this, that's why GOD created the delete button.....i'm more of a "verbal"= traditional guy, i would prefer to sit with per or rick or andy and learn t= his stuff.....that's the beauty of loop fests.....BUT.....i do feel that man= y of  the folks on LD are more than names and that i count and charish= them in my limited number of friends and it is through LD that we communica= te.....i care about per's sons, rick's crazy life and andy's peta.....i want= to know what michael peter's is reading because i bet i would enjoy it also= .....and i thought i was ANAL!.....an LDOT would be kool by me.....then i co= uld say "hey xyz how's your life?" and not feel ackward.....or i can come to= your house for a few weeks, how would you like that?.....:).....michael the= king of donutz
p.s. 10 EEE


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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_c58.1aada9ea.34045431_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 16:23:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D9D3BF8D; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c7e8c6$a490a520$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <15d0840708270902q3cf8ec31o983ae83959664e11@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:23:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7E8D7.6728AC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SWS67Fq4JhMKJT0RRU7xShMSUNvFBgjUrmt7 sd96QAm1CWWuxPX5k+TONdcLg+zE+cl5EQugi+AsaLpYrsP5/K rYDWtGbFx7q1CQNpAAd3jL71J/ED4HI Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:23:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7E8D7.6728AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what about having a third list for mails with the content UNSUBSCRIBE? :o) tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Johnson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7E8D7.6728AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what about having a third list for = mails with the=20 content UNSUBSCRIBE?
:o)
tilmann
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7E8D7.6728AC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 17:05:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7283BF55; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f901c7e8cc$74a596d0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:05:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C7E89A.28EA7490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:05:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C7E89A.28EA7490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as = charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from = other posts before that. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mikkoz=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when = challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic=20 "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may = eventually figure it out... K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with = >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and = feeling >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, = insects, >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back = into our=20 >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, = just about >> everything is inter-related, > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > ...but, > > let's put OT in the header=20 > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > andy butler --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C7E89A.28EA7490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not my worldview...I'm an = occidental through=20 and through..guilty as charged. I think you missed the humor of my post = and the=20 smiley's from other posts before that.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mikkoz
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 = 9:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: = no=20 standards. No standards: crap.

It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question = when=20 challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview.  -m

On 8/26/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
It's=20 a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic=20
"Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we = may=20 eventually
figure it out...

K-
----- Original Message=20 -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Everything said = on this=20 group eventually has something to do with
>> looping. If = people=20 can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling
>> on = their=20 favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, = insects,
>>=20 movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back = into our=20
>> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. = In life,=20 just about
>> everything is = inter-related,
>
>
>=20 hmm... not convinced by that=20 ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> From what I know = of=20 Kim's intentions,
> Mark is quite right to put forward such=20 rules,
> ...and it's quite right to disagree with = him.
>
>=20 ...but,
>
> let's put OT in the header
> ...and = try to=20 keep a good proportion of on-topic
>
> andy=20 butler




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Miko=20 Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com"Running=20 scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C7E89A.28EA7490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 17:38:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442403BF4F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c7e8d1$0dffdf30$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7E896.61A10730" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcfoaZRD5M24a2QFTue2LTXR1cMqJQAZ0Rsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:38:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7E896.61A10730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've said it a dozen times but to my ears the Vox Tonelab SE does = a great job. Bill Walker's selling his I believe. Built in looper too if your laptop goes down and need to make some noise for a while during a reboot. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim =20 Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter = of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of the = best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? =20 I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube = amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a real tube = amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) =20 Kris =20 =20 "The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input offers a soft-limiter, which = has been tuned especially for musical instruments. Due to a soft transition = and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input signal is compressed = steplessly according to taste, or the limiter can be used for distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive circuit too for broad guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, which can also be switched on separately, = takes low- and high-frequency disturbances away and guarantees an optimal = basic sound even when recording directly into the computer, or when monitoring through a mixing console. " =20 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7E896.61A10730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I’ve said it a dozen = times but to my ears the Vox Tonelab SE does a great job.  Bill = Walker’s selling his I believe.  Built in looper too if your laptop goes down and = need to make some noise for a while during a reboot.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, = 2007 10:17 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RME Firewire 800 = and Guitar Amp Sim

 

Can anyone comment on the = speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the = Max/MSP list commented that it was one of the best amp sims they've used. See below.  Is any other high end firewire audio interface offering ann = amp sim?

 

I am now focusing on how I = can get the most natural electric guitar/tube amp sound on my = system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the = audio interface, or by adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware)

 

Kris

 

 

"The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input = offers a soft-limiter, which has been tuned especially for musical instruments. = Due to a soft transition and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input signal = is compressed steplessly according to taste, or the limiter can be used for distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive circuit too for broad = guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, which can also be switched on separately, takes low- and high-frequency disturbances away and = guarantees an optimal basic sound even when recording directly into the computer, or = when monitoring through a mixing console. "

 

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Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7E896.61A10730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 17:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1BB3BF56; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: crap Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c7e8d1$cb0eeb70$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acfoeeq4rdx/GFpiSgygNfmOLknFDQAV7mKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Dear people. You're completely missing my point. Love, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crap Just a quick tip: It needs just a few mouse clicks to delete every post of a certain subject line. This is how you do: - With one of the "crap" posts selected, click on the column header "Subject" to group all "crap" posts together. - With the shift key held down, click on the first and the last "crap" post to select all of them. - Hit the delete button. This works in any local email client if subscribing to separate mails. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:08:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0263BF48; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003601c7e8d1$0dffdf30$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <003601c7e8d1$0dffdf30$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--522493385 Message-Id: From: steve Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:08:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--522493385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/ > tube amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no > tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or > by adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware i do this using a tube preamp and an ADA ampulator have for a long time, like it i used to have an alembic F-2b tube pre that when put after effects would bring some amp sound and tube livelyness back some of the mesa preamps have built in "recording" outs tho opinions on the sound vary widely the mesa DC series, some rivera amps and maybe some others have "slave" outs that tap the sound at the OP transformer for an amp sound groove tubes built a preamp in the past that pops up used that is basically a hopped up deluxe in a rack with a line out off the end stage there are palmer. marshall and a few other devices that take a speaker out and convert it to line level so you can silently use your fav amp alot of folks mention the BOSS stuff and like it, i don't but you may, many of their dedictaed gtr units have this function lots of digital units by behringer, line 6, pods etc are made just for this the vox is imo the most "amp" sounding before my recent dive into laptop i have been going DI for a long time and trying to limit my gtr sound to one and only one AD conversion and using a speaker system that would work for piezo's so using a regular gtr amp hasn't been my thing, there are actually alot of ways to do this and since i've been happy with my approach for awhile i haven't looked at what is being put out recently theres a lot of ways to do this and opinions and tastes vary get ready to try a whole bunch of stuff --Apple-Mail-1--522493385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

I am now focusing on how I can get the most = natural electric guitar/tube amp sound on my system,=A0BEFORE going into = the laptop (so, no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio = interface, or by adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator = (hardware


i do this using a tube preamp and an ADA ampulator
have for a = long time, like it

i used to have an alembic = F-2b tube pre that when put after effects
would bring some amp = sound and tube livelyness back

some of the mesa preamps = have built in "recording" outs tho
opinions on the sound vary = widely

the = mesa DC series, some rivera amps and maybe some others have "slave" = outs
that tap the sound at the OP transformer for an amp = sound

groove = tubes built a preamp in the past that pops up used that is basically a = hopped up
deluxe in a rack with a line out off the end = stage

there = are palmer. marshall and a few other devices that take a speaker out and = convert
it to line level so you can silently use your fav = amp

alot of = folks mention the BOSS stuff and like it, i don't but you may, many of = their dedictaed gtr units
have this function

lots of digital units by = behringer, line 6, pods etc are made just for this
the vox is = imo the most "amp" sounding

before my recent dive into = laptop i have been going DI for a long time
and trying to = limit my gtr sound to one and only one AD conversion
and using = a speaker system that would work for piezo's so using = a=A0
regular gtr amp hasn't been my thing, there are actually = alot of ways to do this
and since i've been happy with my = approach for awhile i haven't looked
at what is being put out = recently

theres= a lot of ways to do this and opinions and tastes vary=A0
get = ready to try a whole bunch of stuff




= --Apple-Mail-1--522493385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:14:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8B53BF45; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:53 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube > sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it > was one of the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high > end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? > > I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube > amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp > VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a > real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) Hi Krispen, Group, It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but... When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my Strat and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably depends on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct with my electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those features turned off. Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my otherwise clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in any way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone loves those features and uses them everyday. ;-) Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6683BF4F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <054801c7e8d6$88f5e450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:17:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:17:37 +0000 (UTC) I love the LD archive search function. mikkoz, are you the same guy who I accused of making personal attacks on my philosophical perspectives back in Nov. 2006? http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00422.html ...where my response to you was: "Well, it's more than 2 cents. I've managed to write all this criticism of a performer, fully admitting it is my own perspective, without personal attack - suggesting someone is intolerant or prejudice. That is one skill in the art of debate, being able to argue a point without committing the fallacy of Argumentum ad Hominem. We are exchanging ideas here (true or not, probable or improbable), which is a 2000 year old tradition that has proven success without personal attack. The beauty of respective discourse is the ability to stay at the level of ideas, and not involve the character or alleged character of the person, which has no bearing on the facts. No respect take, however. I'm used to it given my academic background." You want to talk, bro? We can work it out. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually figure it out... K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about >> everything is inter-related, > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > ...but, > > let's put OT in the header > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > andy butler -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42D933BF0A; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G8ZhyhwCZofWipvYIVhS8fAJHWYcrSGf2RtSDoXdDubbCXx7wdKc2yQCj9Kl4KzNQ54m3gJJ566yx8DGQF8seI7J5hrmhyjojzcQ8xOUaaA4tvGx0ik2w4dz4yRa9XFG8HA5SeJIdlVuwd4C/H1cTYe9mUaLoK6GQFehoxbone0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mVewXF+EZUG97c8gWs9nXGv7liVnhK7BYyIWwqH609ZvT+78k5KHIIX7kVJ8wD1oEJ/zpyIk72M3RNw3P8s6jNoKR6nX/7i9r/v2B+u0nkWANhU7N4naLByiHKX2DIItM8VwcXuEUkC61+Wk3k9N/EERwChymjmkPQ0SLrcmGaE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:32:08 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <054801c7e8d6$88f5e450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> <054801c7e8d6$88f5e450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6tt3EB.A.xtG.pix0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:10 +0000 (UTC) I find the LD archive search function to be cumbersome. I wish I could find the posting where someone ran a script that showed how frequently each member posted. It was quite illuminating. TH On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love the LD archive search function. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABEEC3BF32; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <056101c7e8d9$1790c7a0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> <054801c7e8d6$88f5e450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:35:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) I think there is a way to do this, but can't recall how to do it. I remember that someone did a top 10 list of posters. I was #1 for that particular month. dohhh! >I find the LD archive search function to be cumbersome. I wish I > could find the posting where someone ran a script that showed how > frequently each member posted. It was quite illuminating. > > TH > > On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I love the LD archive search function. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:41:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6582D3BF6B; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D31ACE.7000903@biink.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:41:18 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> <054801c7e8d6$88f5e450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <056101c7e8d9$1790c7a0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <056101c7e8d9$1790c7a0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:41:14 +0000 (UTC) This all sounds a bit heavy handed. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 18:54:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA6F3BF43; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01fa01c7e8db$c1f15910$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: Subject: Re: o.t. READING Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:54:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C7E8A1.15521CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:54:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C7E8A1.15521CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't see any reference to what everyone's reading to I Am a Strange = Loop by Douglas-Hofstadter. Has anyone read it. I was looking at it at = Borders over the weekend, but a bit expensive. Amazon's price is more = reasonable Tom URL http://www.amazon.com/Am-Strange-Loop-Douglas-Hofstadter/dp/0465030785/re= f=3Dsr_1_2/002-1372784-4324058?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D1188240404&sr=3D= 1-2 ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C7E8A1.15521CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C7E8A1.15521CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:11:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924673BF66; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:11:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, using my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound like the FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500! Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always thought that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear. I recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too. If anyone has one of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something like a jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a traditional jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, sound sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles an old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, and enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a bit. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter >> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of >> the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end >> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? >> I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube >> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp >> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a real >> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) > > Hi Krispen, Group, > > It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker > emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but... > > When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my Strat > and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an > add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably depends > on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it > yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct with my > electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those > features turned off. > > Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my otherwise > clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in any > way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone loves > those features and uses them everyday. ;-) > > Peace, > - Sam > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 19:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559013BF0E; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2478.208.97.187.133.1188243662.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:41:02 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 software upgrade 1.5 From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Electro Harmonix offers a software upgrade for the 2880 Super Multitrack Looper. The new features of the software version 1.5 change the way a quantized recording ends and give the user midi control over the various functions of the machine by utilizing both midi control changes and midi program changes. The upgrade is easy to do via a compact flash card or usb connection to a computer. You can contact the very helpful Electro Harmonix team for the zip file that includes the software, the software upgrade instructions and the software upgrade notes. Electro Harmonix includes the original software in the zip file in case you want to restore it. Greetings from Athens, Costas Andreou http://www.costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18FD63BEB9; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:19:23 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, you may consider me crazy but since at least 10 years I play with no speaker simulators at all. When I play live I go direct into the converter ( FF400) just after having passed an overdrive, a compressor and a volume pedal. The outputs of the FF go direct to PA. When I record i have a few preamps to place before the converter to have a certain sound or to add what you call the tube drive/compression you get when playing harder. If I need to tweak the sound of a track I prefer re-preamping than record with a preamp placed between my rig and the recording converter; this way I keep all options available. I think that preamps are the item I checked more during the last 15 years. I tried all the Mesa, Ada, Alembic, Swr, Ampeg, Brunetti, Hughes & Kettner, Soldano, Trace Elliott, Sansamp, Carvin, Pod, Vox Tonelab, Summit, Avalon ... I still have my old Alembic F2-b, Mesa Boogie Studio pre and Spl Gainstation 1. 1st thing I noticed: most guitar preamps are pumping the mids in a way that even if you cut all of them you can't get a good "flat" signal. 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide in frequency range. 3rd thing: most voice channels that offer a DI input are usually darker sounding. 4th thing: a good preamp can go direct to board and allow you to tweak your guitar later in the processing ( if you like). All my albums have been made with this system, being them ambient or rock or jazzy or .... I think that the ideal preamp ( don't forget pickups) has to be natural sounding, replicating the real, acoustic sound and character of your electric guitar. I look for wideness ( in the frequency range), dynamic sensitivity, the right amount of thickness and that subtle valve deepness that valves can deliver. Most of the speaker emulators I tried are just equalizers, in fact I think that speaker emulators are just a clever way to steal money ( I am not talking of those speaker emulators you place on the outputs of a real power amp). So I encourage you to look for those things you really need a preamp for that are gain, dynamics, wideness ... so that you still have ALL you original sound. You can always cut and eq. my 2 eurocents ;-) luca www.unguitar.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube > sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that > it was one of the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other > high end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? > > I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric > guitar/tube amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, > no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or > by adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) > > Kris > > > > "The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input offers a soft-limiter, which > has been tuned especially for musical instruments. Due to a soft > transition and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input signal is > compressed steplessly according to taste, or the limiter can be used > for distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive circuit too for > broad guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, which can also > be switched on separately, takes low- and high-frequency disturbances > away and guarantees an optimal basic sound even when recording > directly into the computer, or when monitoring through a mixing console. " > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2485 (20070826) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 562AE3BF21; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aWd+ac/wy+CZ/YPewkDto831UDpd+vhigdkaWbxTx38bsU560neKRc5wy970l+fHbVgR8oWx//+/8Jti+QYEPEampeqqTrcrYsE1peKEGOBloD80ZyUHhHgxtSTVB2yEKgHwjCvTLX2LqQx5Ss+I5cuNJt7eVxWj1/yQu68RG70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Aw+5Z+TF8KSEXuBmkF//jYnkluq7Aq3jVCILRHhv+78OelXu+xNPEov0yPXjheRJQx775oAfoXj4EeOMXnrh2aRwl9yoEto9pF03MFL+d2BS8HZXKkgcMoVdFQTOTox0U4ORjPitBUKwk8dpV57lkidTOzGWu/B5wF8VdczrMOg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:26:19 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7390_3815510.1188246379726" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:26:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7390_3815510.1188246379726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris: My recorder is fried and I don't have a good, convenient way to record for you, but I do own a GT-2 and can confirm that it does the Fender Tweed clean to crunch sound very well. It's instrument level out, though - so you'll have to boost it somehow. I think I remember reading that you're already facing that problem elsewhere and are using your outboard mixer to bring things to line level. This discussion brings me to a place I've been before, but have never found a matching solution. Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar poweramp and speaker emulation? It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy. Doug On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, > using > my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound like > the > FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500! > > Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always thought > that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear. I > recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too. If anyone has > one > of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something like a > jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a > traditional > jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, > sound > sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles > an > old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, > and > enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a bit. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter > >> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of > >> the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end > >> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? > >> I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric > guitar/tube > >> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp > >> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a > real > >> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) > > > > Hi Krispen, Group, > > > > It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker > > emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but... > > > > When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my > Strat > > and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an > > add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably > depends > > on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it > > yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct with > my > > electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those > > features turned off. > > > > Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my > otherwise > > clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in > any > > way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone loves > > those features and uses them everyday. ;-) > > > > Peace, > > - Sam > > > > ------=_Part_7390_3815510.1188246379726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris:

My recorder is fried and I don't have a good, convenient way to record for you, but I do own a GT-2 and can confirm that it does the Fender Tweed clean to crunch sound very well.  It's instrument level out, though - so you'll have to boost it somehow.  I think I remember reading that you're already facing that problem elsewhere and are using your outboard mixer to bring things to line level.

This discussion brings me to a place I've been before, but have never found a matching solution.  Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar poweramp and speaker emulation?  It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone shaping.  All of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy.

Doug

On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, using
my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound like the
FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500!

Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always thought
that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear.  I
recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too.  If anyone has one
of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something like a
jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a traditional
jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, sound
sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles an
old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, and
enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a bit.

Kris


----- Original Message -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter
>> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of
>> the best amp sims they've used. See below.  Is any other high end
>> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim?
>>  I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube
>> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp
>> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a real
>> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware)
>
> Hi Krispen, Group,
>
> It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker
> emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but...
>
> When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my Strat
> and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an
> add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably depends
> on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it
> yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct with my
> electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those
> features turned off.
>
> Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my otherwise
> clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in any
> way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone loves
> those features and uses them everyday. ;-)
>
> Peace,
> - Sam
>


------=_Part_7390_3815510.1188246379726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A325D3BF07; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fbuA4FWWzIfzUfe0eEWgdbOm/4kdXVMiLKh+typYbtu6yLog9ByPSuBoyXU61IqK4gxSQp9MvXmQDVWtRhu98+mEaKkBWH8lSxk54ingqRsn36cg0Zgv5lu+M6LfOJigBax5UdyWLFN/eoBqcG9UrXOigt+w6wQNuUyD0kb0N00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MCuItVJCvSk/JImqDqCYmN19zTtFDIGQBo/d5M4Zak0kWyeapxWpuOVRcN5dKwa5o7n607XW6lSjvbnmub+B027TU9keEXI06qDBcwZggsN0bciEieiKkYMn540Xq+USTZk6LMENwza8E86hg9OCon3v2F2xoskjvuzQ8E4cIlc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D211746-F33D-4527-AA7A-25F250912511@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:31:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 22.19, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Kris, > you may consider me crazy but since at least 10 years I play with > no speaker simulators at all. > When I play live I go direct into the converter ( FF400) just after > having passed an overdrive, a compressor and a volume pedal. Salve, Luca! Kris - I'm a crazy-son-of-a-bitch as well! I like to plug directly into the instrument jack of the FF400. With ultra thick plain jazz strings I get an awesomely warm and humming sound that way. The FF400 offers the option to dial in the exact input level that sounds best. And there's a huge difference in sound even on small changes of the input level. And if using a guitar with too sharp sounding strings and pickups you can roll of some treble on the guitar. Try this: Guitar directly line-in through instrument input. Put a non latency EQ plug-in as the first to happen after the signal is digitized. Man, that's a holy grail! > 1st thing I noticed: most guitar preamps are pumping the mids in a > way that even if you cut all of them you can't get a good "flat" > signal. Nels Cline told me about having exactly the same experience, Luca. Speaking real amps, that is though - but there's where the sound references for he simulators come from. > 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and > wide in frequency range. I'm wondering if this is not also true for real tube amps as well? The best sounding (jazz vibe) guitar sound I have had was on a borrowed Fender Bassman 50 W top. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:36:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF713BF3F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=A023HjMKoPkpnn5eaio2LUwcU3hjt1S8yuRtfJXSP/ZPxdgUU0vxHNXe8vTgUbTmBUT7tWBYOPceQnXUWuHvnsPk7BtPsHAUEK2uGY9X873HrNQTUoUsNpSIn0MWzAHJCD8LZiNDsRGROn4He5ZkWPWZsTtNNmaay5/Tcoj6IxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZnwR4vuoffwYCDbXmVgcvxxtHvT1f9V5yY0fh7EeJ5ouBzv+g62nGU4PCPZYDeV7vZMGbBBt/5Edmn+bqDl+cWDoaEo0KXj5IKjyqHwhlwfK81bS7fNSBNAfS8YA6XFNO54lhOPFJxQqW1c6FZmBW6lQONBI7gfmKHRoxiKk4ig= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:36:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:36:32 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote: > Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar > poweramp and speaker emulation? It would be very convenient to use > my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just > let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All of the "guitar > amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy. Maybe... not free though. But what type of guitar sound are you looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What pick-ups? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 20:50:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CFF3BF3F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DUFMVAHq2z4yfzfQCOK4ATF0XD5IDbeAoH0GtYuAHDCyqwmHILaZhdBHpgLH4RU/LeuJi0Ir2yWZcJAjiIZEY1aoBTlSoe/Bq42Mrr1KaFFh/Yl0E+CvEA/8n6z2MYvggbpH8RFyw72srrTbBgg8/jBllZbGwCWm9hLGZgYFFlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n2uG6oWIZs5CEy5P7XGAJHdnPgt1LHt3yVt7u+1ZyZC78usHmf5qAncmi6koN0p7BM+68c5hw2WHyjOUpHRPXj+eZU4Evtwunxz7HQDePa6kFz9Ue7SC9h0D8QlK/bvaFRtUz2r25o9fXhmia4y8MRqibqRjJS8ERz6gnjO22bE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:50:12 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7774_30924746.1188247812916" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:50:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7774_30924746.1188247812916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Per! I'm primarily a clean tube amp lover, with a little crunch when I really dig in. I love Fenderish and Voxish tones in that respect. If I want classic "distortion", I use a stompbox or two. I have a lot of guitars, but most are single coil Strat-like things. Although I do have a semi-hollow Epi Dot I love, and an HSS Godin electric. In the end, I can get close to the tone I want with my boxes - including the clean-to-crunch preamp tones. What becomes a pain is creating that last tone shaping step (power amp and speakers). A VST solution would be perfect because it eliminates more outboard gear schlepping. I see in a previous reply you mentioned going direct and then putting an EQ VST first in the chain. Interesting. I realize that most (all?) amp simulators are basically fancy EQs, but I'm not sure I'd know where to start in trying to emulate a guitar amp's power amp and speakers. For what it's worth, right now I'm being lazy and just running my GT-8 into my Echo Indigo. I love the GT-8, but it's big and heavy and no fun to transport, and it's also way more device than I need when I'm going directly into the laptop. I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :) Ideas? On 8/27/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar > > poweramp and speaker emulation? It would be very convenient to use > > my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just > > let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All of the "guitar > > amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy. > > > Maybe... not free though. But what type of guitar sound are you > looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What > pick-ups? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > ------=_Part_7774_30924746.1188247812916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Per!

I'm primarily a clean tube amp lover, with a little crunch when I really dig in.  I love Fenderish and Voxish tones in that respect.  If I want classic "distortion", I use a stompbox or two. 

I have a lot of guitars, but most are single coil Strat-like things.  Although I do have a semi-hollow Epi Dot I love, and an HSS Godin electric.

In the end, I can get close to the tone I want with my boxes - including the clean-to-crunch preamp tones.  What becomes a pain is creating that last tone shaping step (power amp and speakers).  A VST solution would be perfect because it eliminates more outboard gear schlepping.

I see in a previous reply you mentioned going direct and then putting an EQ VST first in the chain.  Interesting.  I realize that most (all?) amp simulators are basically fancy EQs, but I'm not sure I'd know where to start in trying to emulate a guitar amp's power amp and speakers.

For what it's worth, right now I'm being lazy and just running my GT-8 into my Echo Indigo.  I love the GT-8, but it's big and heavy and no fun to transport, and it's also way more device than I need when I'm going directly into the laptop.

I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :)

Ideas?

On 8/27/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote:
>  Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar
> poweramp and speaker emulation?  It would be very convenient to use
> my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just
> let my laptop handle the final tone shaping.  All of the "guitar
> amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy.


Maybe... not free though.  But what type of guitar sound are you
looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What
pick-ups?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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------=_Part_7774_30924746.1188247812916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:08:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A863BF48; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fS5VW+awNTKjMTEmZRkbB+jIca7Hlw74gJkSd/PMXptx3iiuSpEAJQ3RUZc1JVJVLRxQwALbJ0OynnqN5XkTostgipsAxqwYvu40lkVFX2ZuC6uKOtz7pl3V01hPLZK2kmg/oxiQ1T3wlCrapGgHj47SmP2U48b2PEci/8zoFOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cnCsFG6dvFNPd9HA2/nLqHg1tBei5spCx/yiVBVH766BuB2FXQDm2YqmNbkK0XfUddessJwQtsHpRcHL7GOHyrHTb0poWGfdw1aG3JubO/2RKqRuCOs2mXf8wY8ZP1ecB5zYh9UulwwJqn2KSfxTDyGzDr8D0YPzfMRzRAhD6iQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2AE5301C-3B71-4472-A83F-F27E092E87BF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:08:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6F0Ug.A.jLH.Z1z0GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:08:41 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 22.50, Doug Cox wrote: > Hi Per! > > I'm primarily a clean tube amp lover, with a little crunch when I > really dig in. I love Fenderish and Voxish tones in that respect. > If I want classic "distortion", I use a stompbox or two. > > I have a lot of guitars, but most are single coil Strat-like > things. Although I do have a semi-hollow Epi Dot I love, and an > HSS Godin electric. > > In the end, I can get close to the tone I want with my boxes - > including the clean-to-crunch preamp tones. What becomes a pain is > creating that last tone shaping step (power amp and speakers). A > VST solution would be perfect because it eliminates more outboard > gear schlepping. > > I see in a previous reply you mentioned going direct and then > putting an EQ VST first in the chain. Interesting. I realize that > most (all?) amp simulators are basically fancy EQs, but I'm not > sure I'd know where to start in trying to emulate a guitar amp's > power amp and speakers. Direct line-in with software EQ won't give you the sound you're describing above. > For what it's worth, right now I'm being lazy and just running my > GT-8 into my Echo Indigo. I love the GT-8, but it's big and heavy > and no fun to transport, and it's also way more device than I need > when I'm going directly into the laptop. > > I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST > solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :) > > Ideas? The NI Guitar Combos. Especially the "AC Box Combo". Once you could buy only one of those three. IMHO the AC (vox simulation) is the only one worth having. I seem to like the same guitar sound as you when not doing jazz or fretless ("clean tube amp lover, with a little crunch when I really dig in"). The AmpliTube 2 (I have the Jimi Henrix edition) is also good. Especially if you like to play dynamically. AT2 excels in having the crunchiness follow the varying dynamics of your string attack. But it sound like a huger combo. The NI AC Box Combo sound like a small one, a mini vox (those awesome practice amps they did around 1980) or a maybe a Fender Super Reverb. I own a (physical) Gallien Krueger - with two 10" speakers and being a solid state amp its premier characteristic is the distinct and snappy sound. The crunch is happening rather high up in the frequency register, which is why I still like this box although it does hiss like a vacuum cleaner and stops working now and then. Bottom line is that I'm finding a similar feel in the NI AC Box Combo. Also, the Guitar Amp Pro of Logic has a good "power amp" schwung, but that's only of interest for Logic users since it's part of the application and unfortunately can't be used elsewhere. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 090993BF55; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05df01c7e8ef$27d1b0f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:13:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05DC_01C7E8BC.DC1E08C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:13:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05DC_01C7E8BC.DC1E08C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Luca. Wow, you have really tried a lot of gear. I will likely = wait until I get the FW400 before I rush into anything for much of the = same reason you explain below. Jeff Kaiser keeps telling me to just wait = and see what my guitar sounds like when I plug directly into the high = qaulity inserts and preamps of the FW400. He thinks I will be pleasantly = surprised, and I may well be. The less gear I can get away with using = to get my ideal sound, the better.=20 Just for reference, I like a very dark, warm, and "semi" clean jazz = tone. With 95% of the amps or preamps I have used, I tend to turn the = high end nobs down to 0% or at the most 25%, mid range about 45%, and = low end anywhere between 50% to 80%. That generally gets me the EQ I = like. I would say I don't like a flat frequency response, then, in my = sound source. The rest is the "tubeness" of the sound...whether it = breaks up a bit if I pick hard (not as much as Scofield, however), it's = "sponginess" (opposite of what I hear with guitarists like Mike Stearn = running through SS amps), and so on...all hard to define = characteristics.=20 I can typically never get this sound when I plug into a mixer board, = because the mixer is just re-producing what it gets, which is not what I = want. In general, unless we are talking about full bodied jazz hollow = body guitara and acoustics, I dislike the sound of the electric guitar = direct into a board....it sounds dry, lifeless, and sterile to me, for = obvious reasons since the sound source is basically a piece of solid = wood with a magnetic pickup. Something I wrote to Kaiser last night. = Take my extreme phrases lightly, as I was frustrated when I wrote the = email, but I stick to the general "spirit" of the message regarding the = solid body electric as an original sound source: "Guitar is very, very tricky. A lot of people don't understand that the = electric guitar and guitar amp (especially the tube amp) evolved = together. The electric guitar by itself is basically a piece of wood = with a pickup and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run = it through a regular line input or mixer board, etc. So with the = guitar, it is a fallacy to focus on fidelity of caputuring the sound of = the sound source, unless we are talking about the tube amp as the = source, because the electric guitar as a original sound source is = pathetic. And this is unlike the acoustic, which is a different animal" I like this idea of the electric guitar and guitar amp being a mutual = evolution over the years. It explains why so many guitarists get so = frustrated with trying to get a decent guitar sound without an amp. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 =3D > Hi Kris, > you may consider me crazy but since at least 10 years I play with no=20 > speaker simulators at all. > When I play live I go direct into the converter ( FF400) just after=20 > having passed an overdrive, a compressor and a volume pedal. > The outputs of the FF go direct to PA. > When I record i have a few preamps to place before the converter to = have=20 > a certain sound or to add what you call the tube drive/compression you = > get when playing harder. > If I need to tweak the sound of a track I prefer re-preamping than=20 > record with a preamp placed between my rig and the recording = converter;=20 > this way I keep all options available. >=20 > I think that preamps are the item I checked more during the last 15 = years. > I tried all the Mesa, Ada, Alembic, Swr, Ampeg, Brunetti, Hughes &=20 > Kettner, Soldano, Trace Elliott, Sansamp, Carvin, Pod, Vox Tonelab,=20 > Summit, Avalon ... > I still have my old Alembic F2-b, Mesa Boogie Studio pre and Spl=20 > Gainstation 1. > 1st thing I noticed: most guitar preamps are pumping the mids in a way = > that even if you cut all of them you can't get a good "flat" signal. > 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide = in=20 > frequency range. > 3rd thing: most voice channels that offer a DI input are usually = darker=20 > sounding. > 4th thing: a good preamp can go direct to board and allow you to tweak = > your guitar later in the processing ( if you like). >=20 > All my albums have been made with this system, being them ambient or=20 > rock or jazzy or .... >=20 > I think that the ideal preamp ( don't forget pickups) has to be = natural=20 > sounding, replicating the real, acoustic sound and character of your=20 > electric guitar. > I look for wideness ( in the frequency range), dynamic sensitivity, = the=20 > right amount of thickness and that subtle valve deepness that valves = can=20 > deliver. >=20 > Most of the speaker emulators I tried are just equalizers, in fact I=20 > think that speaker emulators are just a clever way to steal money ( I = am=20 > not talking of those speaker emulators you place on the outputs of a=20 > real power amp). >=20 > So I encourage you to look for those things you really need a preamp = for=20 > that are gain, dynamics, wideness ... so that you still have ALL you=20 > original sound. > You can always cut and eq. >=20 > my 2 eurocents ;-) >=20 > luca > www.unguitar.com >=20 >=20 > Krispen Hartung wrote: >=20 >> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube=20 >> sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that=20 >> it was one of the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any = other=20 >> high end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? >> =20 >> I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric=20 >> guitar/tube amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, = >> no tube amp VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or=20 >> by adding a real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) >> =20 >> Kris >> =20 >> =20 >> >> "The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input offers a soft-limiter, = which=20 >> has been tuned especially for musical instruments. Due to a soft=20 >> transition and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input signal is=20 >> compressed steplessly according to taste, or the limiter can be used=20 >> for distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive circuit too for=20 >> broad guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, which can also = >> be switched on separately, takes low- and high-frequency disturbances = >> away and guarantees an optimal basic sound even when recording=20 >> directly into the computer, or when monitoring through a mixing = console. " >> >> =20 >> >> = *************************************************************************= * >> Krispen Hartung >> www.krispenhartung.com /=20 >> www.myspace.com/krispenhartung = >> Performance Calendar:=20 >> http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / = 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2485 (20070826) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio =E8 stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it > ------=_NextPart_000_05DC_01C7E8BC.DC1E08C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Luca.  Wow, you have = really tried a=20 lot of gear. I will likely wait until I get the FW400 before I rush into = anything for much of the same reason you explain below. Jeff Kaiser = keeps=20 telling me to just wait and see what my guitar sounds like when I plug=20 directly into the high qaulity inserts and preamps of the FW400. He = thinks=20 I will be pleasantly surprised, and I may well be.  The less gear I = can get=20 away with using to get my ideal sound, the better.
 
Just for reference, I like a very dark, = warm, and=20 "semi" clean jazz tone. With 95% of the amps or preamps I have used, I = tend to=20 turn the high end nobs down to 0% or at the most 25%, mid range about = 45%, and=20 low end anywhere between 50% to 80%. That generally gets me the EQ I=20 like. I would say I don't like a flat frequency response, then, in = my sound=20 source.  The rest is the "tubeness" of the sound...whether it = breaks up a=20 bit if I pick hard (not as much as Scofield, however), it's "sponginess" = (opposite of what I hear with guitarists like Mike Stearn running = through SS=20 amps), and so on...all hard to define characteristics.
 
I can typically never get this sound = when I plug=20 into a mixer board, because the mixer is just re-producing what it gets, = which=20 is not what I want. In general, unless we are talking about full bodied = jazz=20 hollow body guitara and acoustics, I dislike the sound of the electric = guitar=20 direct into a board....it sounds dry, lifeless, and sterile to me, for = obvious=20 reasons since the sound source is basically a piece of solid wood with a = magnetic pickup.  Something I wrote to Kaiser last night. Take my = extreme=20 phrases lightly, as I was frustrated when I wrote the email, but I stick = to the=20 general "spirit" of the message regarding the solid body electric as an = original=20 sound source:
 
"Guitar is very, very tricky. A lot = of people=20 don't understand that the electric guitar and guitar amp (especially the = tube=20 amp) evolved together. The electric guitar by itself is basically a = piece of=20 wood with a pickup and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you = run it=20 through a regular line input or mixer board, etc.  So with the = guitar, it=20 is a fallacy to focus on fidelity of caputuring the sound of the sound = source,=20 unless we are talking about the tube amp as the source, because the = electric=20 guitar as a original sound source is pathetic. And this is unlike the = acoustic,=20 which is a different animal"
 
I like this idea of the electric guitar = and guitar=20 amp being a mutual evolution over the years. It explains why so many = guitarists=20 get so frustrated with trying to get a decent guitar sound without an=20 amp.
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
=3D
> Hi=20 Kris,
> you may consider me crazy but since at least 10 years I = play with=20 no
> speaker simulators at all.
> When I play live I go = direct into=20 the converter ( FF400) just after
> having passed an overdrive, a = compressor and a volume pedal.
> The outputs of the FF go direct = to=20 PA.
> When I record i have a few preamps to place before the = converter to=20 have
> a certain sound or to add what you call the tube = drive/compression=20 you
> get when playing harder.
> If I need to tweak the = sound of a=20 track I prefer re-preamping than
> record with a preamp placed = between my=20 rig and the recording converter;
> this way I keep all options=20 available.
>
> I think that preamps are the item I checked = more=20 during the last 15 years.
> I tried all the Mesa, Ada, Alembic, = Swr,=20 Ampeg, Brunetti, Hughes &
> Kettner, Soldano, Trace Elliott, = Sansamp,=20 Carvin, Pod, Vox Tonelab,
> Summit, Avalon ...
> I still = have my=20 old Alembic F2-b, Mesa Boogie Studio pre and Spl
> Gainstation = 1.
>=20 1st thing I noticed: most guitar preamps are pumping the mids in a way =
>=20 that even if you cut all of them you can't get a good "flat" = signal.
> 2nd=20 thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide in =
>=20 frequency range.
> 3rd thing: most voice channels that offer a DI = input=20 are usually darker
> sounding.
> 4th thing: a good preamp = can go=20 direct to board and allow you to tweak
> your guitar later in the = processing ( if you like).
>
> All my albums have been made = with=20 this system, being them ambient or
> rock or jazzy or = ....
>=20
> I think that the ideal preamp ( don't forget pickups) has to be = natural=20
> sounding, replicating the real, acoustic sound and character of = your=20
> electric guitar.
> I look for wideness ( in the frequency = range),=20 dynamic sensitivity, the
> right amount of thickness and that = subtle=20 valve deepness that valves can
> deliver.
>
> Most = of the=20 speaker emulators I tried are just equalizers, in fact I
> think = that=20 speaker emulators are just a clever way to steal money ( I am
> = not=20 talking of those speaker emulators you place on the outputs of a =
> real=20 power amp).
>
> So I encourage you to look for those things = you=20 really need a preamp for
> that are gain, dynamics, wideness ... = so that=20 you still have ALL you
> original sound.
> You can always = cut and=20 eq.
>
> my 2 eurocents ;-)
>
> luca
> = www.unguitar.com
> =
>=20
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>> Can anyone comment = on the=20 speaker emulation filter and tube
>> sim/limiter of the FW800? = Someone=20 on the Max/MSP list commented that
>> it was one of the best = amp sims=20 they've used. See below.  Is any other
>> high end = firewire audio=20 interface offering ann amp sim?
>> 
>> I am now = focusing=20 on how I can get the most natural electric
>> guitar/tube amp = sound on=20 my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so,
>> no tube amp = VSTs,=20 etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or
>> by = adding a real=20 tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware)
>> =20
>> Kris
>> 
>>  =
>>
>>=20 "The FireFace 800's Hi-Z instrument input offers a soft-limiter, which=20
>> has been tuned especially for musical instruments. Due to a = soft=20
>> transition and deliberate creation of harmonics, the input = signal=20 is
>> compressed steplessly according to taste, or the limiter = can be=20 used
>> for distortion with tube sound. Activate the Drive = circuit too=20 for
>> broad guitar distortion. The Speaker Emulation filter, = which=20 can also
>> be switched on separately, takes low- and = high-frequency=20 disturbances
>> away and guarantees an optimal basic sound = even when=20 recording
>> directly into the computer, or when monitoring = through a=20 mixing console. "
>>
>> 
>>
>> = *************************************************************************= *
>>=20 Krispen Hartung
>> www.krispenhartung.com=20 <http://www.krispenhartung.com> /=20
>> www.myspace.com/krispenhartung <http://www.myspace.com/krispenhartung>
>> Performance Calendar: =
>> http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
>> info@krispenhartung.com=20 <mailto:info@krispenhartung.com> /=20 1.208.724.5603
>> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
>> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
>>
>>
>> __________ Informazione NOD32 = 2485=20 (20070826) __________
>>
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> ------=_NextPart_000_05DC_01C7E8BC.DC1E08C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:22:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610423BF45; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jyFPuT46tyspdApgtjSsu3JYvMNdZFsE4YkQdbzrdab5zNrdPxeyX9+MXARjWzturX/j2t8rcHgm+M8owoipwErYnMJbXLnUQU38avlKsM1ECF30XzvwlOIhpoCwgLKW39IvHO35D/eM7la9+tXfayZlR3GkP1prbx1cn4fXk/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eW+da+aGDDTQlvHNeIZjlI7U+CShQgavecxzvocMxVi0cMRkdm8FS6eN3+o3YoC/MyhhGZiF0d9chcZV6zAbTsMHdL4wRHefFho/cEg0IXAfR0WSDSZHqt2yOCh5v5WU2j0ZIgCQU/qGybDl5FfJ8MmLzx0BqlMEGGZ0mJRaqmg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:22:20 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: <2AE5301C-3B71-4472-A83F-F27E092E87BF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8173_17989706.1188249740118" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE5301C-3B71-4472-A83F-F27E092E87BF@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8173_17989706.1188249740118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, what's the incremental CPU hit you see when you start the Amplitube VST? As you know, every little bit counts. If it's in the 10% or less range - it might be worth a look for me. ------=_Part_8173_17989706.1188249740118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, what's the incremental CPU hit you see when you start the Amplitube VST?

As you know, every little bit counts.  If it's in the 10% or less range - it might be worth a look for me.
------=_Part_8173_17989706.1188249740118-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C19D3BF59; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061601c7e8f1$6aa02130$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:29:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0613_01C7E8BF.1EFEC880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4zec8D.A.on.WJ00GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C7E8BF.1EFEC880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 Thanks, Doug. Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar poweramp = and speaker emulation? =20 The Voxengo Boogex is the best free VST tube amp I've used yet...and = I've tested over 30 of them, plus sent them all to the group via a zip = file on my server. http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/ Runner up for me is Brackenbury tube amp: = http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/ (very nice jazz sound) Kris It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and preamp = tools (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone = shaping. All of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried = have been WAY too CPU heavy.=20 Doug On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was = before, using my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound = like the FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500!=20 Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always = thought that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear. = I recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too. If anyone = has one=20 of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something = like a jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a = traditional jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic = SansAmp, sound=20 sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that = resembles an old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy = bass, and enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a = bit.=20 Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube = sim/limiter >> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was = one of=20 >> the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end >> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? >> I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric = guitar/tube=20 >> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube = amp >> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by = adding a real >> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware)=20 > > Hi Krispen, Group, > > It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker > emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 = but... > > When I originally got the unit I played with those features with = my Strat=20 > and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just = an > add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably = depends > on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it = > yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct = with my > electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those > features turned off. > > Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my = otherwise=20 > clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were = not in any > way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone = loves > those features and uses them everyday. ;-) >=20 > Peace, > - Sam > ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C7E8BF.1EFEC880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox=20
 
Thanks, = Doug.
 
Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar = poweramp and=20 speaker emulation? 
 
The Voxengo Boogex is the = best free VST=20 tube amp I've used yet...and I've tested over 30 of them, plus sent = them all=20 to the group via a zip file on my server.
 
http://www.voxeng= o.com/product/boogex/
 
Runner up for me is = Brackenbury tube amp:=20 http:/= /www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/ (ve= ry=20 nice jazz sound)
 
Kris
 
 
It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and = preamp=20 tools (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone=20 shaping.  All of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've = tried have=20 been WAY too CPU heavy.

Doug

On 8/27/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, = using
my=20 Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound = like=20 the
FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500! =

Years ago=20 I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always = thought
that=20 produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size=20 gear.  I
recall someone on this list recommended the = SansAmp=20 too.  If anyone has one
of those SanAmps, like the = GT2, I=20 wouldn't mind hearing something like a
jazz tone sample...the = sample on=20 the Tech 21 site are far from a traditional
jazz tone. The only = one on=20 the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, sound
sort of Mike=20 Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles = an
old=20 blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, = and
enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up = just a=20 bit.

Kris


----- Original Message = -----

>=20 Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Can anyone comment on the speaker = emulation filter and tube sim/limiter
>> of the FW800? = Someone on=20 the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of
>> the best = amp sims=20 they've used. See below.  Is any other high = end
>>=20 firewire audio interface offering ann amp = sim?
>>  I am=20 now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube=20
>> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop = (so, no=20 tube amp
>> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio = interface,=20 or by adding a real
>> tube amp or high end tube amp = simulator=20 (hardware)
>
> Hi Krispen, Group,
>
> It = has been=20 some time since I have messed with the speaker
> = emulator/limiter=20 feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but...
>
> = When I=20 originally got the unit I played with those features with my Strat =
>=20 and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just = an
>=20 add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably=20 depends
> on what sound you are looking for, and it would be = worth=20 trying it
> yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature = when=20 going direct with my
> electric guitars. I much preferred the=20 instrument input with those
> features turned = off.
>
>=20 Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my = otherwise=20
> clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features = were not=20 in any
> way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure = that=20 someone loves
> those features and uses them everyday. = ;-)
>=20
> Peace,
> -=20 Sam
>


------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C7E8BF.1EFEC880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:30:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3336E3BF66; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HsGws7qpGbouixYXAbzhqO2eQHkKAwu/qxkBr8AnQ1JZvt3ogXoYleA9OvGgCY3FeA94tv5Shi5hd5PdvwIGWRUxpn2Sad23A05wT8HImua4iifKdZ7WV1F9dje31VWaAepMsS+mfrHU0KTjMauRr9IWASJHRvd7jJXSy8fOgDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CAtvwkgRJeaJguDXzsnpGgNmP+eyniFC7rcTpgBq8kQtRR+1MU0vGKnFZZrr9Qwy51FvhGaekpYF6AkheOx6zh/arfVTWLZhmSHTSm72NOqL1w7+na3mmW9+0eJiqBkKX27GNrfpH6SysTVuwafXC4uP+oUCGqTU59gZJ2VtXt8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:29:58 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: TPO at Jamendo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39289_31408233.1188250198375" Resent-Message-ID: <7_HwEB.A.Qr.XJ00GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:30:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39289_31408233.1188250198375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys, so we followed per's lesson and uploaded the "Sirdis" release on Jamendo. it's full of loops and FREE!!. http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/the.playing.orchestra/ besitos, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_39289_31408233.1188250198375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys,

so we followed per's lesson and uploaded the "Sirdis" release
on Jamendo. it's full of loops and FREE!!.

http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/the.playing.orchestra/

besitos,
raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_39289_31408233.1188250198375-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:32:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A05F3BF45; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hz29QQNUkhtupQAPLYTtlvabc9IlZHoIIN1hECo/MLEfXy87EQW61uggjtR1snATehJbiQ9E/Ltdr0R/jA6DSbgK+nn6iPIn5e/1XsvZsx/iE2MBY6cs6/T4ObjuE+4Uo4P+1ooSzupJvDizuwBIm6ndrKDHsqKFyRK78cW2nAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jcCCLuPmblFHdacc4PZ9Zyl61XGpsxwR0vx9E7UHq5ChaYERAdmI58p0aiW3QAudO72uIruXxqzy2r0HCREU0n8xr8Yh6Mvbdi6Vw/9/SkO318DnVqoMf2Pm9xCWMPGXZbygdsu8XNsV49qNsFMt783PaQ3LOLe7m8lMJzHDvFw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:32:43 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: <061601c7e8f1$6aa02130$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39349_20081880.1188250363063" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <061601c7e8f1$6aa02130$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:32:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39349_20081880.1188250363063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i use refx slayer2 ... bad speaker emulation but best preamp emulation. my 2 cents, raul. 2007/8/27, Krispen Hartung : > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Doug Cox > > *Thanks, Doug.* > > Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar poweramp and > speaker emulation? > > *The Voxengo Boogex is the best free VST tube amp I've used yet...and I've > tested over 30 of them, plus sent them all to the group via a zip file on my > server.* > ** > *http://www.voxengo.com/product/boogex/* > ** > *Runner up for me is Brackenbury tube amp: ** > http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/* > * (very nice jazz sound)* > > Kris > > > It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and preamp tools > (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All > of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU > heavy. > > Doug > > On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, > > using > > my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound like > > the > > FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500! > > > > Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always > > thought > > that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear. I > > recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too. If anyone has > > one > > of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something like a > > jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a > > traditional > > jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, > > sound > > sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles > > an > > old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, > > and > > enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a bit. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube > > sim/limiter > > >> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one > > of > > >> the best amp sims they've used. See below. Is any other high end > > >> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? > > >> I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric > > guitar/tube > > >> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp > > >> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a > > real > > >> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware) > > > > > > Hi Krispen, Group, > > > > > > It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker > > > emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but... > > > > > > When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my > > Strat > > > and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an > > > add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably > > depends > > > on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it > > > yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct > > with my > > > electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those > > > features turned off. > > > > > > Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my > > otherwise > > > clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in > > any > > > way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone > > loves > > > those features and uses them everyday. ;-) > > > > > > Peace, > > > - Sam > > > > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_39349_20081880.1188250363063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i use refx slayer2 ... bad speaker emulation but best
preamp emulation.

my 2 cents,
raul.

2007/8/27, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net >:
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Cox
 
Thanks, Doug.
 
Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar poweramp and speaker emulation? 
 
The Voxengo Boogex is the best free VST tube amp I've used yet...and I've tested over 30 of them, plus sent them all to the group via a zip file on my server.
 
 
Runner up for me is Brackenbury tube amp: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/  (very nice jazz sound)
 
Kris
 
 
It would be very convenient to use my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just let my laptop handle the final tone shaping.  All of the "guitar amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy.

Doug

On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks for the response on this. I'm sort of back where I was before, using
my Roland MicroCube or getting a better amp sim box...doesn't sound like the
FW800 amp sim is that convincing. Plus it's $1500!

Years ago I used to use the ADA micro-cab (the original). I always thought
that produced some very nice tone, but I'm avoiding rack size gear.  I
recall someone on this list recommended the SansAmp too.  If anyone has one
of those SanAmps, like the GT2, I wouldn't mind hearing something like a
jazz tone sample...the sample on the Tech 21 site are far from a traditional
jazz tone. The only one on the site, which is for the classic SansAmp, sound
sort of Mike Stearn-like. I'd like to just hear something that resembles an
old blackface Fender 1X12 amp, with the high end rolled off, beefy bass, and
enough gain so that if you play hard, it starts to break up just a bit.

Kris


----- Original Message -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter and tube sim/limiter
>> of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP list commented that it was one of
>> the best amp sims they've used. See below.  Is any other high end
>> firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim?
>>  I am now focusing on how I can get the most natural electric guitar/tube
>> amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the laptop (so, no tube amp
>> VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio interface, or by adding a real
>> tube amp or high end tube amp simulator (hardware)
>
> Hi Krispen, Group,
>
> It has been some time since I have messed with the speaker
> emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of my FW800 but...
>
> When I originally got the unit I played with those features with my Strat
> and a few other guitars and found that for my tastes it was just an
> add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the sound. It probably depends
> on what sound you are looking for, and it would be worth trying it
> yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature when going direct with my
> electric guitars. I much preferred the instrument input with those
> features turned off.
>
> Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp to drive my otherwise
> clean/direct setup with, but for my tastes, those features were not in any
> way a decent substitute. Having said that, I am sure that someone loves
> those features and uses them everyday. ;-)
>
> Peace,
> - Sam
>





--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_39349_20081880.1188250363063-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:33:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195503BF63; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:33:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0629_01C7E8BF.9D99AC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-fFiH.A.pJB.qM00GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C7E8BF.9D99AC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST = solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :) Try Chainer. Heck, you are using the Indigo? I did before too...I am = basically re-directing you to my old system: Chainer VST host, Voxengo = and Brackenbury tube amp sims, Mobius, and a bunch of VST effects. It's = still a great little system. Ideas? On 8/27/07, Per Boysen wrote: On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote: > Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar > poweramp and speaker emulation? It would be very convenient to = use > my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just=20 > let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All of the "guitar > amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU = heavy. Maybe... not free though. But what type of guitar sound are you=20 looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What pick-ups? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C7E8BF.9D99AC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox=20

I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) = VST=20 solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :)
 
Try Chainer. Heck, you are = using the=20 Indigo? I did before too...I am basically re-directing you to my old = system:=20 Chainer VST host, Voxengo and Brackenbury tube amp sims, Mobius, and a = bunch=20 of VST effects. It's still a great little=20 system.

Ideas?

On 8/27/07, Per Boysen=20 <perboysen@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
On=20 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote:
>  Does = anyone know=20 of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar
> poweramp and = speaker=20 emulation?  It would be very convenient to use
> my = outboard=20 instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just
> let = my laptop=20 handle the final tone shaping.  All of the "guitar
> = amp=20 simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU=20 heavy.


Maybe... not free though.  But what type = of=20 guitar sound are you
looking for? What guitar model are you = going to=20 plug into it? What
pick-ups?

Greetings from = Sweden

Per=20 Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 = (international)





------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C7E8BF.9D99AC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:34:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB223BF59; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l4tK63a4csNfHGJ+LByvyfkV9nMVmIPuzklKSiUmtoJv20qsFyLTjxr+wvOXn1/Qe0GTTDoX1RoZmB5THYfvnOhmiZNm4bwJyfNjanfO7qiC0UYzeQ9YRiFUNgkBRBgjvqZ1ENhCrjDBXyLsGopPtpBrxFMiyC8boFBb1DjQKdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m+mkhfVE76WlAiAXNvuZGZIrYHeBi8OlqiqSBHyziydv4gkpQwbvFOJTtJj+DjqswVCPdJaibDIr4oTvB8POOrIuiOlIa4gExc508HktxsXotsBH7UsQB5K6N5PKtjwp+/T8sW+5ffKumQ3j4PObd29awxaNrldx8LeilQ/bDfA= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708271434x69253401v749d7b556c07f087@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:34:20 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <04f901c7e8cc$74a596d0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10731_15484824.1188250460731" References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> <04f901c7e8cc$74a596d0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10731_15484824.1188250460731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel. Let's talk movies! *-) On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as > charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from other > posts before that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mikkoz > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > > It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging > "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m > > On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic > > "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may > > eventually > > figure it out... > > > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with > > >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and > > feeling > > >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, > > >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into > > our > > >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just > > about > > >> everything is inter-related, > > > > > > > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > > > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > > > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > > > > > ...but, > > > > > > let's put OT in the header > > > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > -- > Miko Biffle > Biffoz@Gmail.com > MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_10731_15484824.1188250460731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel.  Let's talk movies!  *-)

On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net > wrote:
It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from other posts before that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikkoz
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap.

It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview.  -m

On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic
"Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually
figure it out...

K-
----- Original Message -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with
>> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling
>> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects,
>> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our
>> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about
>> everything is inter-related,
>
>
> hmm... not convinced by that ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> From what I know of Kim's intentions,
> Mark is quite right to put forward such rules,
> ...and it's quite right to disagree with him.
>
> ...but,
>
> let's put OT in the header
> ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic
>
> andy butler




--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"



--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_10731_15484824.1188250460731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:41:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 052B13BF69; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xo2QWXw8L8v2ym9zsO6mAX4Pv220wzex37UUlPIvTl6WSxBCClMge55EAy8j529yfslZyeJKacYnF+J3hsDkoDPRtXM+fHoEyfNOMT1NAsE+YZ+NrYEkYgLS0cKqXWdMe3kiOf4DhN3sZ34S7S3fY2YR0ZArp7tmH2F/Cy5W53A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xz9kFt8+Z4qKozRLMozx3TJRP3ecaeTNaCrbXC0bkoQJH4lta+DY9H7qYNnrVttRUthdFaosgmMo3K+7iknXVUPlj2nmdIalnFaVccLYTlZ7uY2BaUQG4Eziqe/2V45f94sYvTZ+MOeRFVy1Y2XZ7C8uSAPxof+Ya0Igr6H4jp8= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708271441q11deb970wec990c714906f62c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:41:26 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10815_15933694.1188250886347" References: <20070827135057.1C18B3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> <1188225477.46d2e1c5d420a@imp.free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: <17bApB.A.-rB.HU00GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10815_15933694.1188250886347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No problem guys . . . I just delete about 100 posts every couple days or so. On 8/27/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > What a fabulous idea. > > TH > > On 8/27/07, daviD wrote: > > > > I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good > thing to set > > up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on googlegroups > for > > example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off > Topic"... > ------=_Part_10815_15933694.1188250886347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No problem guys . . . I just delete about 100 posts every couple days or so. 


On 8/27/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
What a fabulous idea.

TH

On 8/27/07, daviD <waveform@free.fr> wrote:
>
> I've already said so in the past at least once : it would be a good thing to set
> up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to do so on googlegroups for
> example) for off-topic discussions. Call it "Loopers Delight Off Topic"...
------=_Part_10815_15933694.1188250886347-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:42:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725563BF74; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mKlR1x2hV5GWaZIbtyUsz/Xyu6Xap2nCqaXyrEV31nvBYfk2CXWuo1Gt0bdj8njExu8btX5dxZpymoPZBnW2cculEWIU6JPKVNiYhSYwnDd4eGyzr1jDaa2VOHOLmIsHymEXY61KtaAkEOHe2gpTM2siuxQgpJQfo060Ducg/M8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eD1pXiXf+UbWkWqn2ZucIgDvYqkQgZch9vTNQdSTCw0PDNebNHQjjXdFXEZSKe72P64xT4czyy4/4wc6dhk5xVNEb86AfickJDd5WRqnlkV/wlww0RTugCOFnoqTbbhOEeASeupMqVmowQXaHzXBgHL4S6p432aoZ+5jcMhJkj0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE5301C-3B71-4472-A83F-F27E092E87BF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:42:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:42:47 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 23.22, Doug Cox wrote: > Per, what's the incremental CPU hit you see when you start the > Amplitube VST? > > As you know, every little bit counts. If it's in the 10% or less > range - it might be worth a look for me Depends on which computer I use, of course. I'm not sure either, because I never use it as standalone, only as VST plug-in and with some other effects. But typically using the Amplitube VST, Mobius and three to four other VST effect plug-ins I'm hoovering between 40 and 50 percent of the 2 GHz Centrino (1 core/cpu). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 21:46:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEDA3BF78; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D348A3.5060001@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:56:51 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> <3D211746-F33D-4527-AA7A-25F250912511@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3D211746-F33D-4527-AA7A-25F250912511@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Luca wrote and Per replied: >> 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide >> in frequency range. > > > I'm wondering if this is not also true for real tube amps as well? > The best sounding (jazz vibe) guitar sound I have had was on a > borrowed Fender Bassman 50 W top. Oh yes Per ! I remember the first time I tried to put my guitar into the bass amp of my old bass player... bomb ! I thought "yes, here it is ALL the sound" !!! I felt that all the guitar amps I have been using until that time were cutting highs and lows to make guitar smaller. It sure is because of the "cut in the mix" politic where each instrument has to stay in a certain freq. range. For the music I play this is something I don't want, I layer guitars over guitars and I want to decide what, where and how much. maybe you feel the same ;-) my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:03:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0CE3BF2F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D34CA2.2040804@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:13:54 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> <05df01c7e8ef$27d1b0f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <05df01c7e8ef$27d1b0f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I will likely wait until I get the FW400 before I rush into anything > for much of the same reason you explain below. Jeff Kaiser keeps > telling me to just wait and see what my guitar sounds like when I plug > directly into the high qaulity inserts and preamps of the FW400. He > thinks I will be pleasantly surprised, and I may well be. The less > gear I can get away with using to get my ideal sound, the better. I agree with Jeff here ! > Just for reference, I like a very dark, warm, and "semi" clean jazz tone. Try a Summit B2a-b ( check the name, I don't remember well). It was too dark for me but it was great in terms of tube response. > I can typically never get this sound when I plug into a mixer board, > because the mixer is just re-producing what it gets, which is not what > I want. In general, unless we are talking about full bodied jazz > hollow body guitara and acoustics, I dislike the sound of the electric > guitar direct into a board....it sounds dry, lifeless, and sterile to > me, for obvious reasons since the sound source is basically a piece of > solid wood with a magnetic pickup. Well... it's a singing string which reacts to a good amount of wood, the neck being one of the most important. Many el. guitars are considered even too resonant ( and I like them...) Pickups are also a veeery important instrument in the instrument. > "Guitar is very, very tricky. A lot of people don't understand that > the electric guitar and guitar amp (especially the tube amp) evolved > together. The electric guitar by itself is basically a piece of wood > with a pickup and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run > it through a regular line input or mixer board, etc. So with the > guitar, it is a fallacy to focus on fidelity of caputuring the sound > of the sound source, unless we are talking about the tube amp as the > source, because the electric guitar as a original sound source is > pathetic. And this is unlike the acoustic, which is a different animal" this is one route, certainly playing through a good amp at high volume can give the feeling of one perfect instrument, I also get a lot of fun when I do it. But I don't agree on any fixed rule in music making, even more when it comes to the way you may use your instruments. > I like this idea of the electric guitar and guitar amp being a mutual > evolution over the years. It explains why so many guitarists get so > frustrated with trying to get a decent guitar sound without an amp. Maybe el. guitar to board and amplified guitar to gtr amp are two different kind of instruments because I am very happy with the "go direct" way, maybe just because I don't want to approximate or replicate any sound; I want to find the sound that makes me happy and I use any way I can to get it. I think that if you look to get a decent amp sound without using an amp you will always be disappointed unless you decide to accept some legitimate limits. An amplified guitar ( through a guitar amp) is one thing, consider all guitar amp emulators add a very important point: they emulate the guitar amp miked, not as you would be hearing it with your ears. Have fun, not limits ;-) my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:09:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886C43BF47; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <066a01c7e8f6$f5a99900$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D331CB.9090404@unguitar.com> <3D211746-F33D-4527-AA7A-25F250912511@gmail.com> <46D348A3.5060001@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:09:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:09:40 +0000 (UTC) In high school jazz band (many, many years ago), I played a Gibson SG reissue plugged into this HUGE Fender amp....it was about 5 feet tall, all one piece. It must have had 8 10" speakers or 2 15" speakers (not sure), but the thing was monstrous! It could literally make the cloth on my pant legs shake and cause things to vibrate off the shelf in the band room. I almost got expelled from school for playing that amp too loud. At basketball games, we played rock songs during the line up....that amp filled the entire gynmasium with sound, as I played AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" with a background recording of a bell. Great fun those days where. The amp was used by a bass player the prior year, so any clue on what it was? I think it was a bassman. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps > Luca wrote and Per replied: > >>> 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide in >>> frequency range. >> >> >> I'm wondering if this is not also true for real tube amps as well? The >> best sounding (jazz vibe) guitar sound I have had was on a borrowed >> Fender Bassman 50 W top. > > Oh yes Per ! > I remember the first time I tried to put my guitar into the bass amp of my > old bass player... > bomb ! > I thought "yes, here it is ALL the sound" !!! > I felt that all the guitar amps I have been using until that time were > cutting highs and lows to make guitar smaller. > It sure is because of the "cut in the mix" politic where each instrument > has to stay in a certain freq. range. > For the music I play this is something I don't want, I layer guitars over > guitars and I want to decide what, where and how much. > > maybe you feel the same ;-) > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:30:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26953BF57; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <008301c7e8f9$cbc2a3e0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C7E8BF.1F63CBE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30708271434x69253401v749d7b556c07f087@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acfo8jMTDUq0ysLARb+k6JRTgf8LrAABtDTg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:30:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C7E8BF.1F63CBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, similar to the M5, we can always get control back by bombarding the = list with amazing amounts of new gear possibilities! Mr. Mikkoz, divert all power from the main deflectors and reconfigure the phase array to = amplify the aft plug-in! GIVE ME LOOP SPEEEEED!=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mikkoz [mailto:biffoz@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. =20 So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel. Let's talk movies! *-) On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung > wrote: It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from = other posts before that. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mikkoz =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. =20 It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic=20 "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may = eventually figure it out... K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with=20 >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and = feeling >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into = our >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just = about >> everything is inter-related, > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > ...but, > > let's put OT in the header=20 > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > andy butler --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C7E8BF.1F63CBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ah, similar to the M5, we can = always get control back by bombarding the list with amazing amounts of new gear possibilities!  Mr. Mikkoz, divert all power from the main = deflectors and reconfigure the phase array to amplify the aft plug-in!  GIVE ME LOOP SPEEEEED! =

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Mikkoz [mailto:biffoz@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 2:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT Re: No = rules: no standards. No standards: crap.

 

So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel.  Let's talk = movies!  *-)

On = 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net > = wrote:

It's not my worldview...I'm = an occidental through and through..guilty as charged. I think you missed = the humor of my post and the smiley's from other posts before = that.

----- Original Message = -----

From: Mikkoz =

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM

Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap.

 

It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview.  = -m

On = 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:

It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic
"Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we = may eventually
figure it out...

K-
----- Original Message -----

> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do = with
>> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling
>> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, = insects,
>> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates = back into our
>> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, = just about
>> everything is inter-related,
>
>
> hmm... not convinced by that ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> From what I know of Kim's intentions,
> Mark is quite right to put forward such rules,
> ...and it's quite right to disagree with him.
>
> ...but,
>
> let's put OT in the header
> ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic
>
> andy butler




--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" =




--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" =

------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C7E8BF.1F63CBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:34:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C757F3BF5E; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:34:11 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01c7e8fa$6fd00400$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <46D348A3.5060001@unguitar.com> Thread-Index: Acfo88MGzFzS+vknSPO431kZq5dmqAABiZVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Have we learned nothing from Brian May? Xan McCurdy? Sure, if you're doing a guitar only piece and you want to bathe the = listener in the full spectra, have at it (I do), but man there's nothing like a = band pass filter to make a guitar sound really interesting and sit sweetly in = a mix. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Luca wrote and Per replied: >> 2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide = >> in frequency range. > > > I'm wondering if this is not also true for real tube amps as well? =20 > The best sounding (jazz vibe) guitar sound I have had was on a =20 > borrowed Fender Bassman 50 W top. Oh yes Per ! I remember the first time I tried to put my guitar into the bass amp of=20 my old bass player... bomb ! I thought "yes, here it is ALL the sound" !!! I felt that all the guitar amps I have been using until that time were=20 cutting highs and lows to make guitar smaller. It sure is because of the "cut in the mix" politic where each instrument = has to stay in a certain freq. range. For the music I play this is something I don't want, I layer guitars=20 over guitars and I want to decide what, where and how much. maybe you feel the same ;-) my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:50:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D68D3BF69; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=d9eXDeR5ZYCVcVzHJygHMNHq9mtyKPpj0/HRvD2IvnaMJeU6aOPQ8vBCUxENmfDy; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23505804.1188255053997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:50:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd489e078de7a3cf11513c142ec1c0cce180667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: <_imneD.A.NbF.OV10GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) DAMN! dont know what amp that was but yer a mann after my own heart. i like to find the resonant frequency of the room i'm playin-then tune to that and...e v e r y t h i n g vibrates...i saw god once. s >From: Krispen Hartung... >In high school jazz band (many, many years ago), I played a Gibson SG >reissue plugged into this HUGE Fender amp....it was about 5 feet tall, all >one piece. It must have had 8 10" speakers or 2 15" speakers (not sure), but >the thing was monstrous! It could literally make the cloth on my pant legs >shake and cause things to vibrate off the shelf in the band room. I almost >got expelled from school for playing that amp too loud. At basketball games, >we played rock songs during the line up....that amp filled the entire >gynmasium with sound, as I played AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" with a background >recording of a bell. Great fun those days where. The amp was used by a bass >player the prior year, so any clue on what it was? I think it was a bassman. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59AD43BF6B; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220078127225350611@M2W032.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:53:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PDIF I/O Question. More laptop stuff. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:53:54 +0000 (UTC) I have an Eclipse that I use on a send/return from FF800=2E Surprisingly,= many of the complex programs on the Eclipse need to run at much lower sampling rates than 96Khz=2E In these cases, it won't synch with the FF80= 0 (set as the master @96khz)=2E So I've been using audio i/o instead of SPDIF=2E =20 Original Message: ----------------- From: midifriedchicken@comcast=2Enet Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:53:57 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom (Loopers Delight) Subject: PDIF I/O Question=2E More laptop stuff=2E=20 Does anyone use there PDIF I/O from hardware into there Firewire interface= =3F Is there an increase in performance=3F Does it effect tone=3F Do you use standard RCA cables=3F Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting=2Ecom - Premium Microsoft=AE Windows=AE and Linux web and applic= ation hosting - http://link=2Emyhosting=2Ecom/myhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 22:57:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD72D3BF52; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1YXrPCMjUfQ8cpiWXwQn1NmuTB4oeKosDHcf9d6Drzw0/irevRu88SGTrCw2iAltjeojLOgmpG4ifdAvnfR+vCudVCqq6hmlxrmAmQerrCFVEIHdCkACl/Ho54YTY24xeV5KTh42Vh4AcZwNo6hWJPwClxu7Q5zmQST45LOxNKM=; X-YMail-OSG: aH3.suMVM1kVuugU69AZVGF6fBRPhNbP46MECMp8Yv5jk65xJSz6XfdwlkcP6_RAGI_B1sNXJLaPh4vgm44XqPlqnadmem74wZWEaiC7bw7efd6Y8TzuJyId5V.tpQ-- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: OT: Good Places to Pick Up Hookers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <380-220078127225350611@M2W032.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-90124875-1188255458=:75722" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <666451.75722.qm@web38402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:57:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-90124875-1188255458=:75722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit HEHEHEHE. Just kidding! --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --0-90124875-1188255458=:75722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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Just kidding!

Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --0-90124875-1188255458=:75722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:03:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A573BF54; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D35A93.4040801@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:13:23 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <008a01c7e8fa$6fd00400$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> In-Reply-To: <008a01c7e8fa$6fd00400$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, I agree with you, but in this case you decide where and how placing the band pass filter. If you have lost and sacrified some frequencies at the beginning your choice becomes narrower. my best, luca www.unguitar.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Have we learned nothing from Brian May? Xan McCurdy? > >Sure, if you're doing a guitar only piece and you want to bathe the listener >in the full spectra, have at it (I do), but man there's nothing like a band >pass filter to make a guitar sound really interesting and sit sweetly in a >mix. > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:57 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps > >Luca wrote and Per replied: > > > >>>2nd thing: bass preamps are usually more sensitive, natural and wide >>>in frequency range. >>> >>> >>I'm wondering if this is not also true for real tube amps as well? >>The best sounding (jazz vibe) guitar sound I have had was on a >>borrowed Fender Bassman 50 W top. >> >> > >Oh yes Per ! >I remember the first time I tried to put my guitar into the bass amp of >my old bass player... >bomb ! >I thought "yes, here it is ALL the sound" !!! >I felt that all the guitar amps I have been using until that time were >cutting highs and lows to make guitar smaller. >It sure is because of the "cut in the mix" politic where each instrument >has to stay in a certain freq. range. >For the music I play this is something I don't want, I layer guitars >over guitars and I want to decide what, where and how much. > >maybe you feel the same ;-) >my best, >luca >www.unguitar.com > > > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2486 (20070827) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:04:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AFFD3BF6C; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018601c7e70c$90872bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <031b01c7e792$adbec2b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D14CE9.3060603@tiscali.co.uk> <036801c7e7f1$ca0f6690$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708270825x7c8e0e2fq2146083d2fec6d74@mail.gmail.com> <04f901c7e8cc$74a596d0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3fa302e30708271434x69253401v749d7b556c07f087@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:04:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Me too. "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen...delightful. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikkoz So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel. Let's talk movies! *-) On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from other posts before that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging "Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic "Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually figure it out... K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about >> everything is inter-related, > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > ...but, > > let's put OT in the header > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > andy butler -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:07:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D2E3BF67; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708272307.l7RN72f4076398@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:07:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7E8C4.4E30BF00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfo4D5dzT2aZem5RrSCAedQHIdL1QAAP5JwAAcZa8A= Resent-Message-ID: <3j2ZtC.A.FPG.Yk10GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7E8C4.4E30BF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reading the firewire amp sim thread, I thought I might post a bit of correspondence between Krispen and I that relates to this subject, .scroll down to bottom of page for the first letter. It might have subtitled this exchange "Confessions of a Analog Reactionary" Bill _____ From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:22 PM To: 'Krispen Hartung' Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz Yes , I've been really happy with both the the direct recording and live performance results, and for now, until I can get my tech friend to do the "Andrew Mod' , a simple three or four resistor and capacitor modification some web techy came up with that de-honks the lead channels, I overdrive the front end of the formula with either a Duncan twin tube (phenomenal) or a Keeley modified Boss blues driver (ditto), if I want furrier sounds. Yes back in the day I had a groove tubes trio, a boogie 295 later replaced by a 50/50, and a pair of Pacific woodworks EVM loaded cabinets (same as the boogie theils by a guy who built cabinets for them) What a loud rig that was. I know what you mean about the 20/20 power amp, that looks really interesting though I would probably pair it with a 2x10 stereo cabinet for even more compactness. Besides which I have grown increasingly fond of 10 inch speakers whereas I've been a 12 inch guy all my life. I like the tighter bass response and the better high end detail. See, a bigger Peepee isn't always better :-) My current favorites are Weber 30 watt Alnico blue pups which I just moved from my vox amp into my vibrolux reverb (they were way more efficient and powerful than the little 12 watt vox needed) They are so chimey and lovely sounding, bright without being ice picky like many ceramic speakers are. I have tried the Vtwin and it is a nice pedal though I have never tried its direct out thingy, only in front of an amp. They did make a V-twin rack too though I think the Formula is a bit more realized as a pre-amp. I briefly tried running a sans amp pedal to warm up my PRS hollow I (that I no longer own unfortunately) through My Dtar acoustic pre-amp at a gig I did that was mostly acoustic, to save myself from having to bring an amp just for the PRS. It was a Bose sponsored gig so of course I was running through a Bose PAS, and I gotta say, the sans amp did nothing for me. I couldn't dial up a decent clean blackface sound to save my life so the PRS sounded kind of nasaly. This was with a Sans amp original and I really don't understand why people like those things. I guess for its time... To my knowledge know one makes a half rack preamp. I have been trying to persuade anyone I can coral at Duncan that they need to build and amp in a stomp box using the high grade Mil spec subminiature tubes the use in their twin tube overdrive. A thing that could actually drive a speaker cabinet, but that also had reactive load style cabinet simulation for going direct. Kind of like what the V-twin was, but better. What I've found currently available is next to nothing. Digital music corp is redesigning their 3 channel preamp because their first version wasn't standing up to heavy road abuse, so its not available yet, VHT has a really cool two rack space model that is going through a re-design due to lead content issues (no kidding!) but that's big heavy and expensive. Boogie makes A dual rectifier preamp, also big heavy and expensive, and it seems more geared to hard rock sounds though I may be speculating, haven't heard it or read the reviews. Groove Tubes still makes the wonderful Trio, but that's also two racks and has no cabinet simulation. This is why I gambled on the Formula. Its compact,powerful, and relatively speaking, a bargain. That's as far as I've researched it but I'm sure there are other things out there and certainly some older stuff that still sounds great. Part of this desire to simplify comes from having watched some live footage on Youtube of Jeff Beck playing. What that guy can do with his hands, an amp and a bit of delay and reverb is astounding, it has inspired me to clean up my sonic palette and eschew many of the effects I used to consider essential, like chorus, partly because when I'm building as many as 8 tracks on the Looperlative, modulation tends to muddy up the sound if I'm not careful, particularly when I'm using overdrive as well. Don't get me wrong I love effects, its just that with too many choices I end up spending more time tweeking and less time playing. See Ya soon dude Bill _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:27 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: LoopFest Santa Cruz Hi Bill - Thanks for this. So you like the Formula? I have heard good things about it too. Boogies are known, at least in my experience, for their mid range "tubby" tone, so your comments don't surprise me. During my rack, small stereo system days, I used to covet the Formulate in combination with their 20/20 power amp, and two 1X12 Mesa Thiel cabs...man, that would be a sweeeeeeet combo. Add something like a TC Electronics Guitar processor in the rack and you have a powerful system. Have you played through the Mesa V-Twin pedal? I'm with you though..I just want somethin simple and focused on generating a good guitar tube sound...I'll do everything else with my laptop. But I have to have a HIGH quality sound to begin with. Did you ever try one of the SansAmp pedals? Does anyone make a botique half-rack tube guitar preamp? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: 'Krispen Hartung' Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: RE: LoopFest Santa Cruz After researching on the web for a few weeks and seeing what the options where, (precious few I might add), I bought a Mesa Boogie Formula preamp off of Ebay for a little under $500 ($479, I believe). The thing that I kept hearing in reviews was that it had a realy good clean direct sound and that the lead channels were a bit mid-rangey. I must admit that I have to keep the graphic eq set to a smile curve to achieve the blackface midrange dip on both clean and lead channels, but this thing sounds fantastic going direct or through a full range PA system. Using it also allow me to integrate stomp box pedals in front of it if I want, and a nice byproduct of the purchase was that I dusted off my old TC model one which allows me to run tap tempo delay and reverb in series or parallel, and sounds better than the similar effects in my two previous modelers, most recently a Vox tonelab se, and before that a line 6 pod pro. In both cases I fell in love with the bells and whistles but ultimately soured on issues of digital distortion (the subtle background kind), lack of headroom, and slight latency and two dimensional quality. Last year at loop fest I tried to integrate my rack loop gear and pedal effects with my ancient fender and vox tube amps, with limited success, mostly due to noise and impedance issues related to the combination of line and instrument levels. With the boogie pre, I won't have to deal with those issues and the extra cartage issues, because with the exception of my floor effects and midi foot pedal, my entire rig fits in a four space rack now, not lap top portable, but close enough. I think that micing a modeling amp is going to give you better results than going direct with modeling as it adds back that elusive air that the cabinet simulation doesn't quite capture, but it also brings up some problems associated with live mics and ambient noise build up. I honestly have come to believe that the more analogue devices I can throw in front of my digital gear, the better and more real my sound will be. Highly recommended. On a similar thread, I've been in contact with Radial Engineering, the company who makes amp and ABY switchers, loop selectors and high end direct boxes, encouraging them to make a stereo loop selector that could accommodate and buffer both line and instrument level effects processors so I could for example, run my looperlative, or a lap top looper in line between my stomp boxes and my tube amp, without any impedance mismatching, hissing or overloading. They seem like they are interested in doing it, just a matter of when. But it would be a cool device for guys like me who would love to be able to integrate the old school with the new. I look forward to seeing you in October. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7E8C4.4E30BF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After reading the firewire amp sim = thread, I thought I might post a bit of correspondence between Krispen and I = that relates to this subject, .scroll down to bottom of page for the first = letter. It might have subtitled this exchange “Confessions of a Analog = Reactionary”

 

Bill

 

From: = William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 1:22 PM
To: 'Krispen Hartung'
Subject: RE: LoopFest = Santa = Cruz

 

Yes , I’ve been really happy = with both the  the direct recording and live performance results, and = for now, until I can get my tech friend to do the “Andrew Mod’ , a simple three or four resistor and capacitor modification = some web techy came up with that de-honks the lead channels,  I = overdrive the front end of the formula with either a Duncan twin tube (phenomenal) or = a Keeley modified  Boss blues driver (ditto), if I want furrier = sounds.

   Yes back in the day I = had a groove tubes trio, a boogie 295 later replaced by a 50/50, and a pair of = Pacific woodworks EVM loaded cabinets (same as the boogie theils by a guy who = built cabinets for them) What a loud rig that was. I know what you mean about = the 20/20 power amp, that looks really interesting though  I would = probably pair it with a 2x10 stereo cabinet for even more compactness. =  Besides which I have grown increasingly fond of 10 inch speakers whereas = I’ve been a 12 inch  guy all my life. I like the tighter bass response = and the better high end detail. See, a bigger Peepee isn’t always better = J My current = favorites are Weber 30 watt Alnico blue pups which I just moved from my vox amp into = my vibrolux reverb (they were way more efficient and powerful than the = little 12 watt vox needed) They are so chimey and lovely sounding, bright without being = ice picky like many ceramic speakers are. I have tried the Vtwin and it is a = nice pedal though I have never tried its direct out thingy, only in front of = an amp. They did make a V-twin rack too though I think the Formula is a bit more realized as a pre-amp.  I briefly tried running a sans amp pedal to = warm up my PRS hollow I (that I no longer own unfortunately) through My Dtar acoustic pre-amp at a gig I did that was mostly acoustic, to save myself = from having to bring an amp just for the PRS. It was a Bose sponsored gig so = of course I was running through a Bose PAS, and I gotta say, the sans amp = did nothing for me. I couldn’t dial up a decent clean blackface sound = to save my life so the PRS sounded kind of nasaly. This was with a Sans amp = original and I really don’t understand why people like those things. I = guess for its time…..

   To my knowledge know = one makes a half rack preamp. I have  been trying to persuade anyone I = can coral at Duncan that they need to build and amp in a stomp box using the high grade Mil = spec subminiature tubes the use in their twin tube overdrive. A thing that = could actually drive a speaker cabinet, but that also had reactive load style = cabinet simulation for going direct. Kind of like what the V-twin  was, but better.  What I’ve found currently available is next to = nothing.  Digital music corp is redesigning their  3 channel preamp = because their first version wasn’t standing up  to heavy road abuse, = so its not available yet, VHT has a really cool two rack space model that is = going through a re-design due to lead content issues (no kidding!) but = that’s big heavy and expensive. Boogie makes A dual rectifier preamp, also big = heavy and expensive, and it seems more geared to hard rock sounds though I may = be speculating, haven’t heard it or read the reviews. Groove Tubes = still makes the wonderful Trio, but that’s also two racks and has no = cabinet simulation. This  is why I gambled on the Formula. Its = compact,powerful, and relatively speaking, a bargain. That’s as far as I’ve researched it but I’m sure there are other things out there and = certainly some older stuff that still sounds great.  Part of this desire to = simplify comes from having watched some live footage on Youtube of Jeff Beck = playing. What that guy can do with his hands, an amp and a bit of delay and = reverb is astounding, it has inspired me to clean up my sonic palette  and = eschew many of the effects I used to consider essential, like chorus, partly = because  when I’m building as many as 8 tracks on the Looperlative, = modulation tends to muddy up the sound if I’m not careful, particularly when I’m using overdrive as well. Don’t get me wrong I love = effects, its just that with too many choices I end up spending more time tweeking and = less time playing.

See Ya soon = dude

Bill

 

From: = Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 12:27 PM
To: billwalker@baymoon.com
Subject: Re: LoopFest = Santa = Cruz

 

Hi Bill -

 

Thanks for this.  So you like the Formula? I = have heard good things about it too.  Boogies are known, at least in my = experience, for their mid range "tubby" tone, so your comments don't = surprise me.  During my rack, small stereo system days, I used to = covet the Formulate in combination with their 20/20 power amp, and two 1X12 = Mesa Thiel cabs...man, that would be a sweeeeeeet combo. Add something like a = TC Electronics Guitar processor in the rack and you have a powerful = system.

 

Have you played through the Mesa V-Twin = pedal?

 

I'm with you though..I just want somethin simple and = focused on generating a good guitar tube sound...I'll do everything else with my laptop. But I have to have a HIGH quality sound to begin with. =

 

Did you ever try one of the SansAmp pedals?  = Does anyone make a botique half-rack tube guitar = preamp?

 

Kris

 

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: Monday, = August 13, 2007 5:43 PM

Subject: RE: = LoopFest Santa = Cruz

 

 After researching on the web = for a few weeks and seeing what the options where, (precious few I might add), = I bought a Mesa Boogie Formula preamp off of Ebay for a little under $500 = ($479, I believe). The thing that I kept hearing in reviews was that it had a = realy good clean direct sound and that the lead channels were a bit = mid-rangey. I must admit that I have to keep the graphic eq set to a smile curve to = achieve the blackface midrange dip on both clean and lead channels, but this = thing sounds fantastic going direct or through a full range PA system. Using = it also allow me to integrate stomp box pedals in front of it if I want, and a = nice byproduct of the purchase was that I dusted off my old TC model one = which allows me to run tap tempo delay and reverb in series or parallel, and = sounds better than the similar effects in my two previous modelers, most = recently a Vox tonelab se, and before that a line 6 pod pro. In both cases I fell = in love with the bells and whistles but ultimately soured on issues of digital distortion (the subtle background kind), lack of headroom, and slight = latency and two dimensional quality. Last year at loop fest I tried to integrate = my rack loop gear and pedal effects with my ancient fender and vox tube amps, = with limited success, mostly due to noise and impedance issues related to the combination of line and instrument levels. With the boogie pre, I = won’t have to deal with those issues and the extra cartage issues, because = with the exception of my floor effects and midi foot pedal, my entire rig fits in = a four space rack now, not lap top portable, but close enough. I think that = micing a modeling amp is going to give you better results than going direct with modeling as it adds back that elusive air that the cabinet simulation doesn’t quite capture, but it also brings up some problems = associated with live mics and ambient noise build up. I honestly have come to = believe that the more analogue devices I can throw in front of my digital gear, the = better and more real my sound will be. Highly = recommended.

 On a similar thread, = I’ve been in contact with Radial Engineering, the company who makes amp and ABY switchers, loop selectors and high end direct boxes, encouraging them to = make a stereo loop selector that could accommodate and buffer both line and = instrument level effects processors so I could for example, run my looperlative, or = a lap top looper in line between  my stomp boxes and my tube amp, without = any impedance mismatching, hissing or overloading. They seem like they are interested in doing it, just a matter of when. But it would be a cool = device for guys like me who would love to be able to integrate the old school = with the new.

I look forward to seeing you in = October.

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7E8C4.4E30BF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 27 23:16:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131863BF2F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:16:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7E8C5.97A087F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfpAD3EXl0jBdhNTlW/fXHeeFGL/g== Resent-Message-ID: <-lDc6C.A.5qG._s10GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:16:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7E8C5.97A087F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could have been a 70's fender Quad reverb, essentially a twin with 4 12s in the cabinet, Ouch, that hurts my back just thinking about it. Or possibly Super 6 which I believe was a taller fender Super reverb with 6 10 inch speakers. Glorious! Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7E8C5.97A087F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Could have been a  70’s fender Quad = reverb, essentially a twin with 4 12s in the cabinet, Ouch, that hurts my back = just thinking about it. Or possibly  Super 6 which I believe was a = taller fender Super reverb with 6 10 inch speakers. = Glorious!

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7E8C5.97A087F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 00:00:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F543BF44; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070827165955.048a3fa8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:02:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. In-Reply-To: <008301c7e8f9$cbc2a3e0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <3fa302e30708271434x69253401v749d7b556c07f087@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-57F37904 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:00:34 +0000 (UTC) OMG! lol! I don't think I know of any other place where the geek factor can get any higher than on this bloody list! lol! uns... unsu.... unsubs.... unsubscri..... oh, whatever, guess I'll stay on a few more days! lol lol lol! You guys rock!... Smiles, CQ :) At 03:29 PM 8/27/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Ah, similar to the M5, we can always get control back by bombarding the >list with amazing amounts of new gear possibilities! Mr. Mikkoz, divert >all power from the main deflectors and reconfigure the phase array to >amplify the aft plug-in! GIVE ME LOOP SPEEEEED! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mikkoz [mailto:biffoz@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:34 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > > > >So sorry to occidentally post such ot drivel. Let's talk movies! *-) > >On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung ><khartung@cableone.net > wrote: > >It's not my worldview...I'm an occidental through and through..guilty as >charged. I think you missed the humor of my post and the smiley's from >other posts before that. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mikkoz >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:25 AM >Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. > >It's funny how our entire cosmology comes into question when challenging >"Special K's" enlightened worldview. -m >On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung ><khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > >It's a concept that is difficult for us brainwashed and dualistic >"Occidentals" to grasp, but with some stretching and time, we may eventually >figure it out... >K- >----- Original Message ----- > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Everything said on this group eventually has something to do with > >> looping. If people can use the list to share their thoughts and feeling > >> on their favorite books, food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, > >> movies, porn flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates back into our > >> psyche's and inspires us to make creative loop music. In life, just about > >> everything is inter-related, > > > > > > hmm... not convinced by that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I know of Kim's intentions, > > Mark is quite right to put forward such rules, > > ...and it's quite right to disagree with him. > > > > ...but, > > > > let's put OT in the header > > ...and try to keep a good proportion of on-topic > > > > andy butler > >-- >Miko Biffle >Biffoz@Gmail.com >MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com >"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > > >-- >Miko Biffle >Biffoz@Gmail.com >MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com >"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 >4:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 8/21/2007 4:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 00:16:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8D63BF2F; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GfMlV/Nk95LEKL1wTY/lgZkEMqsIZsc4xh0BOFeSUJnvBsMsnrQ/VGOCFbih2gOAgbjuvzb5tp8SomcnSSX4MZYdguzLPMNLTPZeQydJZMEb0Xn2u6Rmf4bBugBdw6jeXpDhiR3++18kJUKDFqIrNxoOuQ3NeLG+dV3kbUjfTmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tXgwTX6BXCqMbPshuCkh2vlzMeE690/Tcqxt6ysjvyH9wa3Z0IvXCwq4PEwevZnGPPLESMgURU95JOVZ5nMo2XeXo0wFJQ61kBCHxeECMbx0Ls9n8OP1mQBNaF4TnxE55wukYDVoYrKEN79R3o1SgMlLmOjbG6TJTb6+FuCjx+s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:17 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9653_26798773.1188260177020" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:16:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9653_26798773.1188260177020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Kris. I probably wasn't clear. I'm using Bidule, Mobius, and a collection of VSTs. What I've been hoping to find is a VST that handles *power amp and speaker simulation* ONLY. I've got the pre-preamp effects and preamp tone I want, but it would be convenient to have a VST round off the final tone shaping steps. I'll check your suggestions for full guitar amp simulation VSTs, but that's not really what I'm trying to accomplish. Thanks!!! Doug On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Doug Cox > > I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST solution > for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :) > > *Try Chainer. Heck, you are using the Indigo? I did before too...I am > basically re-directing you to my old system: Chainer VST host, Voxengo and > Brackenbury tube amp sims, Mobius, and a bunch of VST effects. It's still a > great little system.* > > Ideas? > > On 8/27/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar > > > poweramp and speaker emulation? It would be very convenient to use > > > my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just > > > let my laptop handle the final tone shaping. All of the "guitar > > > amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy. > > > > > > Maybe... not free though. But what type of guitar sound are you > > looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What > > pick-ups? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_9653_26798773.1188260177020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Kris.  I probably wasn't clear.

I'm using Bidule, Mobius, and a collection of VSTs.  What I've been hoping to find is a VST that handles *power amp and speaker simulation* ONLY.  I've got the pre-preamp effects and preamp tone I want, but it would be convenient to have a VST round off the final tone shaping steps.

I'll check your suggestions for full guitar amp simulation VSTs, but that's not really what I'm trying to accomplish.

Thanks!!!

Doug

On 8/27/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Cox

I'd like to find a (light CPU, hopefully free or low-cost) VST solution for this before I get to Santa Cruz. :)
 
Try Chainer. Heck, you are using the Indigo? I did before too...I am basically re-directing you to my old system: Chainer VST host, Voxengo and Brackenbury tube amp sims, Mobius, and a bunch of VST effects. It's still a great little system.

Ideas?

On 8/27/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 aug 2007, at 22.26, Doug Cox wrote:
>  Does anyone know of a good (free?) VST that JUST does guitar
> poweramp and speaker emulation?  It would be very convenient to use
> my outboard instrument and preamp tools (ie, stompboxes) and just
> let my laptop handle the final tone shaping.  All of the "guitar
> amp simulator" VST solutions I've tried have been WAY too CPU heavy.


Maybe... not free though.  But what type of guitar sound are you
looking for? What guitar model are you going to plug into it? What
pick-ups?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)






------=_Part_9653_26798773.1188260177020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 01:08:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A6F3BF36; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200708280108.l7S18ViG015049@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Luca Formentini'" , Subject: more on tube preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:08:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <46D361D0.5020000@unguitar.com> Thread-Index: AcfpAsLBYh8/mTS9QhChZ9i46EHqvwACtO6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:08:41 +0000 (UTC) The Andrew Mod, for the Mesa formula preamp, I became aware of through the reviews on Harmony Central http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/tab.html, and everyone there swore that the mod made the lead channels much more open sounding with out the characteristic mid range honk some boogies have. I got in touch with the guy Andrew on the Boogie board forum , http://forum.grailtone.com/, and though he doesn't use the Formula Pre any more, he was nice enough to send me the instructions and schematics, which I'd be happy to send to any one off list, as they are PDF files. As for chaining preamps in series, I like to add different over drive flavors together to create one massive one, that's been going on since Hendrix!!!!! Both of my overdrives are of the less extreme tube overdrive type but together they can create a more fuzz type smooth distortion. Incidently, my guitar first hits a Duncan pickup booster pedal that I leave on at 6 db boost, then a Keeley compressor, and then the overdrives. That black box thing looks really cool though it seems like more of a buffer preamp device than a real tweak-able preamp. Sort of like the VHT Valvulator or the Sunrise tube DI. And yes they are great for warming up your signal and correcting pick up and effects loading. But not really for tone shaping. My best Bill -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:44 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Bill wrote: > Yes , I've been really happy with both the the direct recording and > live performance results, and for now, until I can get my tech friend > to do the "Andrew Mod' , a simple three or four resistor and capacitor > modification some web techy came up with that de-honks the lead channels, > this is interesting Bill, can you please let us know something more ? > I overdrive the front end of the formula with either a Duncan twin > tube (phenomenal) or a Keeley modified Boss blues driver (ditto), if I > want furrier sounds. > this is another interesting thing: chaining preamps in series. ...that brings me up to this: http://www.sarnomusicsolutions.com/sgbb/sgbbpage.html I have also got crazy to find a half rack tube preamp. This is not exactly a preamp but it would be interesting check out it works... my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 02:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065733BF43; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rhJo3LzpKoaqEnDz6tzE1B6r4ajZLZmpDnRwIjOwD9YlEZmGnplAhFF7KDr+DzPoZ+3XHTKLurlFwuoV32odyrAlsJotTXxV+fS10WOY6/REdSrYC5Ye8txhiCkSi46LKd6CtHSbIVNqpZ/65BEKBQiYMsiyYkmavkVZkGw2iSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YOsyvHL9k4AxIbMYUd4OhrwfOCiCYjqJwP+KTdolej26hX/IXaSz3DmoPNMf3xRAtqU1c/Sl4p+bdEEqmAq2cSnqp4MxUv1L9uoy3bfEDsywlu50FEsv2Ziq6iL94bQhLP+VH9WPxZrt5irYzFmrdCktgFv82ek34LdULiNXHxY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:13:17 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10251_19535594.1188267197386" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10251_19535594.1188267197386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK. Wow. Downloaded the trial version of Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and it sounds GREAT. Better by a longshot than any other guitar amp VST I've tried so far. But as I feared, it's pretty heavy on the CPU. In my core Bidule setup, it gives me a 23-25% increase in CPU usage on my (admittedly slow) 1.5GHZ 2MB single-cpu laptop. That puts me into crackleland :( I'll be very interested in seeing if I can squeeze it in when my new lappy arrives (dual core 2.0ghz w/ 4MB). This alone is reason enough to try out Bidule's multi CPU support, too. Also downloaded Voxengo Boogex. Also wow. Sounds very good, especially the clean sounds. I don't like it's amp overdrive as much, but again - I have stompers to fix that. It only adds 6-7% to my CPU, which is amazing. And it's free. From reading a thread at Voxengo, the author says I can turn down the "tone, drive and phase" knobs and basically eliminate Boogex's preamp - so I *could* use this thing as a power/speaker modeler to round things off. I haven't tried that yet cause I've been too enamored with these two toys! :) You gents have me considering going straight into the laptop with my dry guitar signal (again). When this new laptop arrives (this week!!) I'm going to see if I can pull it off, and still use my growing Bidule setup, without any crackles. Thanks for the suggestions! ------=_Part_10251_19535594.1188267197386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK.  Wow.

Downloaded the trial version of Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and it sounds GREAT.  Better by a longshot than any other guitar amp VST I've tried so far.  But as I feared, it's pretty heavy on the CPU.  In my core Bidule setup, it gives me a 23-25% increase in CPU usage on my (admittedly slow) 1.5GHZ 2MB single-cpu laptop.  That puts me into crackleland :( 

I'll be very interested in seeing if I can squeeze it in when my new lappy arrives (dual core 2.0ghz w/ 4MB).  This alone is reason enough to try out Bidule's multi CPU support, too.

Also downloaded Voxengo Boogex.  Also wow.  Sounds very good, especially the clean sounds. I don't like it's amp overdrive as much, but again - I have stompers to fix that.  It only adds 6-7% to my CPU, which is amazing.  And it's free.  From reading a thread at Voxengo, the author says I can turn down the "tone, drive and phase" knobs and basically eliminate Boogex's preamp - so I *could* use this thing as a power/speaker modeler to round things off.  I haven't tried that yet cause I've been too enamored with these two toys! :)

You gents have me considering going straight into the laptop with my dry guitar signal (again).  When this new laptop arrives (this week!!) I'm going to see if I can pull it off, and still use my growing Bidule setup, without any crackles.

Thanks for the suggestions!

------=_Part_10251_19535594.1188267197386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 03:15:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1E9A3BF50; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071001c7e921$b9fb5f80$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:15:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_070B_01C7E8EF.6E5A2DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <1UKMdB.A.12D.jN50GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:15:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_070B_01C7E8EF.6E5A2DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 Also downloaded Voxengo Boogex. Also wow. Sounds very good, = especially the clean sounds. I don't like it's amp overdrive as much, = but again - I have stompers to fix that. It only adds 6-7% to my CPU, = which is amazing. And it's free. From reading a thread at Voxengo, the = author says I can turn down the "tone, drive and phase" knobs and = basically eliminate Boogex's preamp - so I *could* use this thing as a = power/speaker modeler to round things off. I haven't tried that yet = cause I've been too enamored with these two toys! :)=20 see, I didn't even know this! Cool. You gents have me considering going straight into the laptop with my = dry guitar signal (again). When this new laptop arrives (this week!!) = I'm going to see if I can pull it off, and still use my growing Bidule = setup, without any crackles.=20 that would be wonderful and liberatingn for you. I'm doing that now = with just my laptop's stock soundcard and ASIOforAll friver, just as an = interium solution before I add the FW400, but I'll still be going = direct into the laptop with the plain ol guitar signal. I was playing = with my system tonight, and messing with the Boogex again...I just like = that VST a lot....maybe even as good as the Roland MicoCube blackface = simulation. Heck, with the FW400 going directly into my laptop and = max/msp, and then into Boogex VST before going to all my max patches, = that sound just might be acceptable to me. Who knows...time will tell. = I'm counting on all the comments from Kaiser and Per on the FW400 being = totally true. K- ------=_NextPart_000_070B_01C7E8EF.6E5A2DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Doug = Cox=20
Also downloaded Voxengo Boogex.  Also wow.  Sounds very = good,=20 especially the clean sounds. I don't like it's amp overdrive as much, = but=20 again - I have stompers to fix that.  It only adds 6-7% to my = CPU, which=20 is amazing.  And it's free.  From reading a thread at = Voxengo, the=20 author says I can turn down the "tone, drive and phase" knobs and = basically=20 eliminate Boogex's preamp - so I *could* use this thing as a = power/speaker=20 modeler to round things off.  I haven't tried that yet cause I've = been=20 too enamored with these two toys! :)
 
see, I didn't even know this! = Cool.

You gents have me considering going = straight into=20 the laptop with my dry guitar signal (again).  When this new = laptop=20 arrives (this week!!) I'm going to see if I can pull it off, and still = use my=20 growing Bidule setup, without any crackles.

that would = be=20 wonderful and liberatingn for you. I'm doing that now with just my = laptop's=20 stock soundcard and ASIOforAll friver, just as an interium solution = before I=20  add the FW400, but I'll still be going direct into the laptop = with the=20 plain ol guitar signal. I was playing with my system tonight, and = messing with=20 the Boogex again...I just like that VST a lot....maybe even as good as = the=20 Roland MicoCube blackface simulation. Heck, with the FW400 going = directly into=20 my laptop and max/msp, and then into Boogex VST before going to = all my=20 max patches, that sound just might be acceptable to me. Who = knows...time will=20 tell.  I'm counting on all the comments from Kaiser and Per on = the FW400=20 being totally true.
 
K-

------=_NextPart_000_070B_01C7E8EF.6E5A2DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 03:22:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559A73BF62; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <072001c7e922$a7922080$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708280108.l7S18ViG015049@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: more on tube preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:22:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:22:26 +0000 (UTC) My memory is shot. Several months ago, someone was posting info on some botique half rack tube compresssors or maybe tube delays...can't recall. But I need to find these on the web again. All I remember is that the units were really solid, maybe metal casings, gray color with some red. sorry, that's all I got until I wake up in the middle of the night sometime and remember. Any clues? I recall something like "2B" or "2A" in the models, but I could be imagining things. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 04:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03573BF2F; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:51:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_073D_01C7E8FC.D03BA180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:51:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_073D_01C7E8FC.D03BA180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check it out... Digital Input of RME Fireface 400: Input Digital: 1 x ADAT optical or = SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU compatible) Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab sims): Coaxial = (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF) Anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the FW400 = inserts; however it's a digital connection between VF1 and FW400, and I = still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, etc. =20 Bill, others who were at Y2K6 last year...remember my tone? It was my = VF1 running into Indigo IO (tiny 1/8th inch inputs/outputs), Laptop, and = max/msp. Imagine the VF1 with a digital connection with the FW400 into = my laptop and max/msp. Could be freakin' magical! Kris ------=_NextPart_000_073D_01C7E8FC.D03BA180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check it out...

Digital = Input=20 of  RME Fireface 400:  Input Digital: 1 x ADAT = optical or=20 SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU=20 compatible)

Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is = decent=20 amp/cab sims): Coaxial (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF)
 
Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?=20 Granted, this bypasses the FW400 inserts; however it's a digital = connection=20 between VF1 and FW400, and I still get all the nice DA conversion of the = FW400,=20 etc. 
 
Bill, others who were at Y2K6 last = year...remember=20 my tone? It was my VF1 running into Indigo IO (tiny 1/8th inch = inputs/outputs),=20 Laptop, and max/msp. Imagine the VF1 with a digital connection = with=20 the FW400 into my laptop and max/msp. Could be freakin' = magical!
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_073D_01C7E8FC.D03BA180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:32:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52D03BF57; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CFBcaWMWCC3IFt3+1O0re3ukungYSKoYMtucrN74snspaCkwd7AtDH3MTYVMEs3qyhRDytEaCyhReE6oRxAdI32vpaNG9aZlnu1WfuAf+llifyOnFDQnFLaPkTDWgFFRLb5vE1pvfanb5CgDMqCBCTm8HBClQOMfbCcXz1XLmnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nbVBWaUUS68j9BFxKNMPCAx+fCJLkVvwANr08OnmHWhKgQ99iDyHIvjMRMeMW0g0QuBBJCLR5vxPSUplLNidPuX1WzHDkuleFagaWZGuO7GBG30Cc5wwpAmxMEK3otrOxnEASFeetvIm4wZ8pA9FUWBGrMlnwnQ9wx1W1ignzuc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F48C2FB-D4A0-4875-A9BC-A479F8591F5D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:32:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC) On 28 aug 2007, at 04.13, Doug Cox wrote: > Downloaded the trial version of Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and it > sounds GREAT. Better by a longshot than any other guitar amp VST > I've tried so far. But as I feared, it's pretty heavy on the CPU. > In my core Bidule setup, it gives me a 23-25% increase in CPU usage > on my (admittedly slow) 1.5GHZ 2MB single-cpu laptop. That puts me > into crackleland :( > > I'll be very interested in seeing if I can squeeze it in when my > new lappy arrives (dual core 2.0ghz w/ 4MB). This alone is reason > enough to try out Bidule's multi CPU support, too. Don't hold your breath, the multi core support just came with the latest beta of Bidule. I decided to try it out and loaded up a session on my Apple G5, which at the moment is the only pc I have around that uses dual processors. My finding was that activating "MP Assign" for modules induced crackling noise in the input audio. I tried every combination of MP assignment among VST's and other modules but could not find a setting with a clean input. I reported it to the developers. This was a dual G5 and you may get different results on multi core machines and dual core intels. If you intend to try MP Assignment it's a good idea to read up at the Bidule forum on how it works, so you can better chose which modules to MP assign and which to not. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:37:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BED63BF56; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NzccAFb/K+unFwGwf4PF9tnyucmfGh43nj1MmlMfBkhrezKk4REmrHHML8n2Xd87jcBzhj3+DaCOeHrpMz1R5F+RIEFT6khQzYHeax1s+nrZUdP3pLfe/WE1UgvbTNI2dcSVpY7nNm/iHVkJe/kCu0E6KcHWjFqg1b1Cl4Fhr+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KL31kZxtuQvjrrKsl7waZlL/X13asQkVkFOf3PrR065TnCRrOzWVB9gkxXviBkf+wVpGPz44AzoQrhrZ7oJZ4rdOB97UVmB3zdKTZ+YufBVYSCI+repPREt8/DYLUBBofvOyBWzsIWngFAEyUKKB7mWaJxYWqtGNRLgZ25uNuC0= In-Reply-To: <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:37:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) On 28 aug 2007, at 06.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out... > > Digital Input of RME Fireface 400: Input Digital: 1 x ADAT > optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU compatible) > > Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab sims): > Coaxial (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF) > > Anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the FW400 > inserts; however it's a digital connection between VF1 and FW400, > and I still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, etc. No. Exactly the opposite. What you get is the nice DA conversion of your VF-1. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 288C23BF64; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oah5hfZFF80GHk3PnSovu79wGStKJZCZba6a6g0YwppBVipc9YAYlzz39vYMHe1U0i0XQrl8n6GD+E2bknmhu0MH2y4sKxjnU7GcTZiCpTi/ZiMbsxWXHdjHc29MocqefOtWkKbLUvrojTYpHhazCXeWcTgnlzirbiHM6a/FyBo=; X-YMail-OSG: lep6ougVM1mq2XdMefxqmqvMNj19AaYmcRI9SZifr6Lp6ZNk7rpfr3637sj5SkMYzk9UxTzSDOxnbXXkKM5UEOE1_Fj3tSDKuagpqLZS38ZpZbQMkbo- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: rc-2 and a mic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <860565.86261.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes, of course a preamp is best, but a simple mic-line transformer will do. I use one of these with the RC-2: http://www.zzounds.com/item--AUTCP8201 Beware going any cheaper than $10 or so, though, as you're probably just getting an adapter and not a transformer. Look for terms like "Lo-Z to Hi-Z". Just because the plug fits doesn't mean it'll work right. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band MySpace: www.myspace.com/onemouthband Website: www.OneMouthBand.com Newest CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > Ok cool, now i am curious as to why i cant simply use an xlr to 1/4 cable > Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Mic preamp and 1/4" out. > > > > This one would work, for instance. > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--ART127 > > > > On 8/26/07, Joshua Rothhaas wrote: > > > >> Someone mentioned that if you want to use a mic with the RC-2 you need > >> to boost the signal, what do you need to boost it with? what additional > >> things do i need to use a mic with an rc-2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 10:52:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11D1F3BF70; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eiKGkp9e1F9SNom64DQxRtQTgPWUjKz4vSXOPBv1tlcYR2cWvErF7jntkg2f2lC1zwIlyLQocJP0YYD7pCJbgLgiZw5FiFVr2pSer+njgCmvxtk4kSuyO/oUXew1GCEOJhjxG26zYwi64ldz8Rn5xgc28yHB5hHC3iCXCdptGmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mc03yB41M6T2YbgBZ6bwUEZmngKuoiD6xrRg85uwlH0ojNVTXyscM6vOnksrpsQlBthPm1QTmF0b8w1gpBbFmapwhCLhLARNokueqph1r1P0WxlvCgeXY0Zed4TUr/ZdJEKZzb6PdamYKV2+PWE4XAuBULTWQj1ZOMi3/FHMtvg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:52:56 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps In-Reply-To: <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45065_8852304.1188298376037" References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:52:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45065_8852304.1188298376037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's what I thought... he,he,he... No reason then to achieve that preciou= s FW400 ... what the hell... I'm thinking of buying a second hand notebook, plug my guitar with the m-audio jamlab (29 euros) using the behringer bcn nanocontroller (28) a pai= r ov free vst and ready!... i'd be curious enough to know who of you is getting paid by your day by day job more than 3000 euros... i can't imagine otherwise buying these mountains of gear... It's crazy... I recommend to Kris not to spend too much time looking for that sound you had in your dreams since , by experience, it's one of th= e most time consuming tasks and less creative ones. Ra=FCl. 2007/8/28, Per Boysen : > > On 28 aug 2007, at 06.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Check it out... > > > > Digital Input of RME Fireface 400: Input Digital: 1 x ADAT > > optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU compatible) > > > > Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab sims): > > Coaxial (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF) > > > > Anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the FW400 > > inserts; however it's a digital connection between VF1 and FW400, > > and I still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, etc. > > > No. Exactly the opposite. What you get is the nice DA conversion of > your VF-1. ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_45065_8852304.1188298376037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's what I thought... he,he,he... No reason then to achieve that pre= cious FW400 ... what the hell...

I'm thinking of buying a secon= d hand notebook, plug my guitar with the m-audio jamlab (29 euros) using th= e behringer bcn nanocontroller (28) a pair ov free vst and ready!... i'= d be curious enough to know who of you is getting paid by your day by day j= ob more than 3000 euros... i can't imagine otherwise buying these mount= ains of gear... It's crazy...=20

I recommend to Kris not to spend too much time looking
for that = sound you had in your dreams since , by experience, it's one of the mos= t time consuming tasks and less creative ones.

Ra=FCl.

2007/8= /28, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 28 aug 2007, at 06.51, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Check it out..= .
>
> Digital Input of  RME Fireface 400:  = Input Digital: 1 x ADAT
> optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AE= S/EBU compatible)
>
> Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab si= ms):
> Coaxial (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF)
>
> Anyone thinkin= g what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the FW400
> inserts; = however it's a digital connection between VF1 and FW400,
> and I still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, etc.
<= br>
No. Exactly the opposite. What you get is the nice DA conversion of<= br>your VF-1.  ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen=
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.lo= oproom.com (international)






--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at m= yspace:=20 http://www.myspace.c= om/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_45065_8852304.1188298376037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:15:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E4E3BF69; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:16:16 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <05df01c7e8ef$27d1b0f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Acfo7yk8d5Kg6XPgRTqbd0U4OqlABwAdQdkQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJdGfx1+g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen and Luca, Krispen about his guitar tone: "...I tend to turn the high end nobs down to 0% or at the most 25%, mid range about 45%, and low end anywhere between 50% to 80%. That generally gets me the EQ I like." Have you read Nels Cline's opinion about guitar amps ang guitar tone, especially in his "amp de jour" article? He seems to be using about the same settings as you are. And Luca said: "The electric guitar by itself is basically a piece of wood with a pickup and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run it through a regular line input or mixer board, etc." Although I'm well aware of the fact that you have years of deep research in electric guitar sound under your belt, I dare to disagree here. It doesn't sound total crap, it just doesn't sound what people come to expect from electric guitar sound. Same goes if you take a really good drumkit, put it in a good room and mike it with two or maximum three excellent mikes (no close-miking, mind you), record that properly and then play that recording to contemporary pop/rock listeners and ask them whether this is a good drum sound. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:18:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6222E3BF72; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B/tUzS5yYKvgePnP6gmi72FXu4p/hNACDe9ryO6xldDzxdMZUfZB7T172cE4mXBgFN24oC79SvMcvh5xGe8fo9Ag3CE8Q8U7H0TzwvC4R1BVJoEq8KdyYKh2cJ2PX6OjESMDdTwz9Lrua76ox5AcFt22iqRINk7agQMngUj2cf0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EZ+yUAl2hroiyY4xxOFlRF57Kzusk7BZ5Tvn51qkbELTYs807h6WcY3IJGn17yV1L7tMGzzPwKRam8bO8bzSFUTz7QWrw3scLV/KPC4afWpJzCrA42allmDnKXy/ivevVoB7q8IawCSow74u7Nui9cOesYKHJs56z4CX/oysBZU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7351BECC-3089-486E-BDE0-5E8834DB82E8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TPO at Jamendo.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:18:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:18:11 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2007, at 23.29, Raul Bonell wrote: > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/the.playing.orchestra/ > > besitos, > raul. There's some almost-out-of-tune howling beauty in this music that I really like! I can't describe it better, since it has a lot to do with the attitude by which the guitars are played. I'm not usually a big fan of guitar music that draws on the heritage from Robert Fripp, but on this album those type of guitar sounds are sometimes used and still sound fresh. The playing is sparse and commentating, as opposed to "leading" playing that usually is more appreciated by the player than by the listener ;-). In this music there's no barrier between "sounds" and "melodic elements", which another aspect that makes it enjoyable to listen to. Eh... for me, I do know people that would feel sick and get a head ace from this music. Guess I'm just sick enough to like it! Everything, even the techno inspired elements, are playing "questions and answers" in the orchestration. It's "talking" music. Organic. Evolving. It brings you somewhere. Sirdis shares elements with other music that I like, for example jazz guitar player John Abercrombie or Miles Davis period with the "crazy broken circuit effect" guitarist Pete Cosey (Agharta), but Sirdis is not a guitar album. There are also a lot of delay effects, synth filter sweeps and a crispy vintage sounding drum machine, every little sound interacting with each other. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9393BF71; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 654505612 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E967.D0217180" Subject: RE: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:37:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D60499@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Thread-Index: AcfpZ8/9lz9WazTBTJGHxzmieTBfeg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 11:37:28.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[D04BF290:01C7E967] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:37:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E967.D0217180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what a shame there aren't PCs or CCs for selecting the next loop..... :-) =20 how does one know what s/w version lurks inside the tin anyway? =20 d. ________________________________ From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!! Raul, Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!! The 2880 (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the list: CC# DV 2880 Parameter 9 0 to 127 Clix level 20 0 to 127 Live signals monitor level 21 0 to 127 Track 1 play/feedback level 22 0 to 127 Track 2 play/feedback level 23 0 to 127 Track 3 play/feedback level 24 0 to 127 Track 4 play/feedback level 25 0 to 127 Mix track play/feedback level 26 0 to 127 Tempo slider 27 0 to 127 Live signals pan 28 0 to 127 Track 1 pan 29 0 to 127 Track 2 pan 30 0 to 127 Track 3 pan 31 0 to 127 Track 4 pan 102 127 Push REC button 103 127 Push NEW button 104 127 Push PLAY button 105 127 Push TRACK SELECT button 106 127 Push EXT SYNC button 107 127 Push MIXDOWN button 108 127 Push STEREO button 109 127 Push REVERSE button 110 127 Push OCTAVE button 111 127 Push PUNCH-IN button 112 127 Push QUANTIZE button 124 0 Change to OMNI=3DOFF 125 0 Change to OMNI=3DON =20 There must be at least 300mS between each button push message.=20 =20 MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES The 2880 also interprets certain Program change messages as button pushes and mute/unmute commands. A program change message has one information byte, P0 (0 to 127), but this is usually presented to the user as being 1 to 128, shown below as P1. =20 =20 P0 P1 2880 Parameter 80 81 Push PLAY button 81 82 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 82 83 Mute/unmute track 2's play **=20 83 84 Mute/unmute track 3's play ** 84 85 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 85 86 Push REC button 86 87 Select track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 87 88 Select track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo) 88 89 Select track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 89 90 Select track 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo) 90 91 Push NEW button 91 92 Push QUANTIZE button 92 93 Push REC button 93 94 Push PLAY button 94 95 Push REVERSE button 95 96 Push TRACK SELECT button 96 97 Push STEREO button 97 98 Push PUNCH-IN button 98 99 Push EXT SYNC button 99 100 Push OCTAVE button 100 101 Push PLAY button 101 102 Mute/unmute track 1's play ** 102 103 Mute/unmute track 2's play **=20 103 104 Mute/unmute track 3's play **=20 104 105 Mute/unmute track 4's play ** 105 106 Push REC button 106 107 Push MIXDOWN button 107 108 Mute/unmute mix track's play ** 108 109 Mute/unmute Dry Out ** 109 110 Mute/unmute clix level ** 110 111 Mute/unmute all play tracks *** =20 ** The single channel mute/unmute action works as follows: If the channel's level is greater than zero when the command is=20 received then the channel will be muted. If the channel's level is zero when the command is received then the level will be set either to that of 2880's panel fader or to that of the last CC message (20..24), depending on which was most recently effective.=20 *** When a mute/unmute all-play-tracks command is received all play tracks will be muted if ANY of them is greater than zero. If ALL of them are zero then each will be set to fader or CC level. =20 MIDI OUT (MIDI THRU) 2880 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI out connector. But in Internal sync mode it does not relay the=20 sequencer commands: STOP START CONT CLOCK. hi friends, =09 just wanting to know from some owner out there if it's possible to control features such as pan, pitch shift, reverse, etc on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, since it seems to have MIDI I/O. =09 thanks in advance, =09 raul. =09 -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --=20 ... http://www.zmix.net ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E967.D0217180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eh 2880 midi capabilities...!!!
what a shame there = aren't PCs or=20 CCs for selecting the next loop..... :-)
 
how does one know what = s/w version=20 lurks inside the tin anyway?
 
d.

From: Charles Zwicky=20 [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, = 2007 7:02=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: eh=20 2880 midi capabilities...!!!

Raul,

Kelly has it wrong, happy to say!!!

The 2880  (rev 1.5) has great MIDI implementation. Here is the = list:


   = CC#   =20 DV         2880 = Parameter
   9      0 to = 127   Clix=20 level
   20     0 to 127   = Live=20 signals monitor level
   21     0 to=20 127   Track 1 play/feedback level
  =20 22     0 to 127   Track 2 play/feedback=20 level
   23     0 to 127   = Track 3=20 play/feedback level
   24     0 to=20 127   Track 4 play/feedback level
  =20 25     0 to 127   Mix track play/feedback=20 level
   26     0 to 127   = Tempo=20 slider
   27     0 to 127   = Live=20 signals pan
   28     0 to = 127  =20 Track 1 pan
   29     0 to = 127  =20 Track 2 pan
   30     0 to = 127  =20 Track 3 pan
   31     0 to = 127  =20 Track 4 pan
   102   =20 127        Push REC = button
  =20 103    127        Push = NEW=20 button
   104   =20 127        Push PLAY = button
  =20 105    127        Push = TRACK=20 SELECT button
   106   =20 127        Push EXT SYNC=20 button
   107   =20 127        Push MIXDOWN=20 button
   108   =20 127        Push STEREO = button
  =20 109    127        Push = REVERSE=20 button
   110   =20 127        Push OCTAVE = button
  =20 111    127        Push = PUNCH-IN button
   112   =20 127        Push QUANTIZE=20 button
   124   =20 0          Change to=20 OMNI=3DOFF
   125   =20 0          Change to=20 OMNI=3DON
 
         There must be = at least=20 300mS between each button push message. 
 
 MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES
        The 2880 also = interprets=20 certain Program change messages as button = pushes
     and=20 mute/unmute commands.  A program change message has one=20 information
     byte, P0 (0 to 127),  but = this is=20 usually presented to the user as being
     1 to = 128,=20 shown below as P1.
 
 
P0 =20 P1   2880 Parameter
80 =20 81   Push PLAY button
81  82   Mute/unmute = track 1's=20 play      **
82  83   = Mute/unmute=20 track 2's play      ** 
83  = 84  =20 Mute/unmute track 3's play      **
84 =20 85   Mute/unmute track 4's play     =20 **
85  86   Push REC button
86  87   = Select=20 track 1 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo)
87  88   = Select=20 track 2 for record (or 1 and 2 if stereo)
88  89   = Select=20 track 3 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo)
89  = 90   Select track=20 4 for record (or 3 and 4 if stereo)
90  91   Push NEW=20 button
91  92   Push QUANTIZE button
92 =20 93   Push REC button
93  94   Push PLAY=20 button
94  95   Push REVERSE button
95  = 96  =20 Push TRACK SELECT button
96  97   Push STEREO=20 button
97  98   Push PUNCH-IN button
98 =20 99   Push EXT SYNC button
99  100  Push OCTAVE=20 button
100 101  Push PLAY button
101 102  Mute/unmute = track 1's=20 play      **
102 103  Mute/unmute track = 2's=20 play      ** 
103 104  Mute/unmute = track=20 3's play      ** 
104 105  = Mute/unmute=20 track 4's play      **
105 106  Push = REC=20 button
106 107  Push MIXDOWN button
107 108  Mute/unmute = mix=20 track's play    **
108 109  Mute/unmute Dry=20 Out           &nbs= p;=20 **
109 110  Mute/unmute clix=20 level          **
110 = 111 =20 Mute/unmute all play tracks     = ***
 
**  The single channel mute/unmute action works as=20 follows:
    If the channel's level is greater than = zero when=20 the command is 
  received then the channel will be=20 muted.   If the channel's level
  is zero when the = command is=20 received then the level will be set
  either to that of 2880's = panel=20 fader or to that of the last CC
  message (20..24), depending on = which=20 was most recently effective. 
*** When a mute/unmute = all-play-tracks=20 command is received all play
  tracks will be muted if ANY of = them is=20 greater than zero.  If
  ALL of them are zero then each = will be set=20 to fader or CC level.
 
  = MIDI OUT (MIDI=20 THRU)
        2880=20 generally relays all received MIDI messages at its MIDI=20 out 
     connector.   But in = Internal=20 sync mode it does not relay the 
     = sequencer=20 commands:  STOP START CONT CLOCK.

hi friends,

just wanting to = know from=20 some owner out there if it's
possible to control features such as = pan,=20 pitch shift, reverse, etc
on the EH 2880 from a MIDI controller, = since it=20 seems to have
MIDI I/O.

thanks in=20 advance,

raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.comTPO at=20 myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra


--=20
...
http://www.zmix.net
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E967.D0217180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 11:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D85733BF52; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 649061558 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:49:15 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. Thread-Index: AcfpaXVxP5vMN6ksQaWKn1uH8uTu2Q== References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 11:49:22.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[7975CE30:01C7E969] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:49:23 +0000 (UTC) >>"The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen...delightful.<< hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... I went to see nyman once, in the mid 80s.=20 the best part was seeing john greaves on bass, mugging for all he was worth. do any list members, so far as they are aware, pull mad monged-out faces whilst performing? d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:15:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A31F3BF68; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EAgnp5cIIk0WBAaCIA82hFvW77YfsfqnR/OusI6hasb83ePaHDFdtaFyobCqYxDta7H+Ae60aua5TIY6GoTejIweXRhiX94MPgdU8hrQAQhgJ0P7i3dDd+0heIi5mbSpReOEdilprhA6KQlxgiE7E67OF9M7uAMZ9UonoFPXJ9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=C6ubGowAw8Zn9cecDnbwPhB5mnzrvtCGPlnkIOtCRTTOFfVtNC3RI4xGH5zq5Ge3kl5+oexlJi/nCx8tlC2r1I3bpo58Oct4E2jXK0X6PLuwQzLeIX8Z8yZMbKPvF/x2/0pGJEeS+A9ihQVN6JWtQUy1jKY8h4aZtyFJzlFF0PI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:14:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:15:07 +0000 (UTC) >>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest > movies I've ever seen...delightful.<< On 28 aug 2007, at 13.49, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... I I was never able to gather enough brave sprit for going to watch that one. But I loved Greenaway's earlier movie The Draughtsman's Contract (1982). Now when thinking back I think I liked it mostly because of the music. Michael Nyman's music had a tremendously inspiring effect on me. When he later on did the soundtrack for *The Piano I was quick to check it out, but this music didn't sound as interesting to me. I think what I liked in his Draughtsman soundtrack was the use of his reed instrument ensemble with all the micro tonal pitch clashing that comes with that. "Ugly sounds merging into music" has always been catching my ears. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 12:23:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAD263BF78; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ibBUixt9h4/poM2+ReVmwesa54cTSZagtvryM0UHMojA2WCXTVuMvqD1NJSEH9spzDv2HUCnESwy6AYws+mgcRm3U070LJfUVndzSc3jW/PUraPTUGYzGDKeToX24wKvMhx9f0/N8tGcHKYU3WQx9jragUufJvhhEeqjR0HETfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jobSK84s/qnS9cJEbEbpU554W2xsf5UlIPK/mU8zeGSAPWaJPqU6ikzRIWy/0r5V7qQqiq9PPCE8GpuWw+R/OaYlJOjBvpYfdN79THLAETXB1TKVga3u512acWMcipkrKhoHitiDp+wmf4J69EQYFIZvC0RqZFlRqNJz9w+gLfQ= Message-ID: <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:23:05 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10791_17204754.1188303785111" References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:23:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10791_17204754.1188303785111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why have I not been taken off the list yet, how long does it normally take? On 8/28/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest > > movies I've ever seen...delightful.<< > > On 28 aug 2007, at 13.49, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... I > > I was never able to gather enough brave sprit for going to watch that > one. But I loved Greenaway's earlier movie The Draughtsman's Contract > (1982). Now when thinking back I think I liked it mostly because of > the music. Michael Nyman's music had a tremendously inspiring effect > on me. When he later on did the soundtrack for *The Piano I was quick > to check it out, but this music didn't sound as interesting to me. I > think what I liked in his Draughtsman soundtrack was the use of his > reed instrument ensemble with all the micro tonal pitch clashing that > comes with that. "Ugly sounds merging into music" has always been > catching my ears. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_10791_17204754.1188303785111 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why have I not been taken off the list yet, how long does it normally take?

On 8/28/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest
> movies I've ever seen...delightful.<<

On 28 aug 2007, at 13.49, Goddard, Duncan wrote:
> hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... I

I was never able to gather enough brave sprit for going to watch that
one. But I loved Greenaway's earlier movie The Draughtsman's Contract
(1982). Now when thinking back I think I liked it mostly because of
the music. Michael Nyman's music had a tremendously inspiring effect
on me. When he later on did the soundtrack for *The Piano I was quick
to check it out, but this music didn't sound as interesting to me. I
think what I liked in his Draughtsman soundtrack was the use of his
reed instrument ensemble with all the micro tonal pitch clashing that
comes with that. "Ugly sounds merging into music" has always been
catching my ears.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)







--
Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_10791_17204754.1188303785111-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:14:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592303BF6A; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: how to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3HJlyD.A.d_C.P_B1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:14:55 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Matthew Johnson wrote: > why have I not been taken off the list yet, how long does it normally take? As I understand the list operation, you have to unsubscribe yourself, people won't do it for you. From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:16:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F16283BF72; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o697hIAk+scfyuqgI3LFEZwE6kKXGmgWYVD6H/43ynaoyTh9t/OA21/nrCpvh9OpXzKcYxRGro0PLG13asN25VPEMlVPk8xGNvrnTdTfZVbNb1VtaHs6IY0gkgGXPievDvYUcFUloM2FqtZ7RjbzM5O53DzcSW6lw11j7Qg2BQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oUU6ejIUY24SLJRrNxBfpNuayxVqZ7sDcsnCv45MIPIjMjOMAQV6oPHkiQHmq1h02PfM3BQtZvmgLpJvExs4D+ua+X9zhivvFHqlloyLdynQXGY6CRZ8Io0CDOZ17pO1sKCcjfhHa1Il+cALg0Xk5wszrkTdJW4uwT/N2XHO2dA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:16:42 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim In-Reply-To: <5F48C2FB-D4A0-4875-A9BC-A479F8591F5D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15086_29550812.1188307002474" References: <048001c7e869$8abc12e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> <058a01c7e8de$08d66300$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <062c01c7e8f1$e92580e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5F48C2FB-D4A0-4875-A9BC-A479F8591F5D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:16:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15086_29550812.1188307002474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Got it all planned out based on the discussions at Bidule :) I saw your post, and I'm hopeful that it's just a dual G5 issue. They seem to have tested on a core duo intel machine, and I haven't seen anyone else report that problem. Fingers crossed. Regardless, the extra GHZ, plus the fact that the OS will use both CPUs to offload core tasks, should give me the bump I need for right now. Then if/when Bidule MP support works well, I'll see how much farther I can go. Doug On 8/28/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 28 aug 2007, at 04.13, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Downloaded the trial version of Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and it > > sounds GREAT. Better by a longshot than any other guitar amp VST > > I've tried so far. But as I feared, it's pretty heavy on the CPU. > > In my core Bidule setup, it gives me a 23-25% increase in CPU usage > > on my (admittedly slow) 1.5GHZ 2MB single-cpu laptop. That puts me > > into crackleland :( > > > > I'll be very interested in seeing if I can squeeze it in when my > > new lappy arrives (dual core 2.0ghz w/ 4MB). This alone is reason > > enough to try out Bidule's multi CPU support, too. > > Don't hold your breath, the multi core support just came with the > latest beta of Bidule. I decided to try it out and loaded up a > session on my Apple G5, which at the moment is the only pc I have > around that uses dual processors. My finding was that activating "MP > Assign" for modules induced crackling noise in the input audio. I > tried every combination of MP assignment among VST's and other > modules but could not find a setting with a clean input. I reported > it to the developers. This was a dual G5 and you may get different > results on multi core machines and dual core intels. > > If you intend to try MP Assignment it's a good idea to read up at the > Bidule forum on how it works, so you can better chose which modules > to MP assign and which to not. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > ------=_Part_15086_29550812.1188307002474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Got it all planned out based on the discussions at Bidule :)

I saw your post, and I'm hopeful that it's just a dual G5 issue.  They seem to have tested on a core duo intel machine, and I haven't seen anyone else report that problem.  Fingers crossed.

Regardless, the extra GHZ, plus the fact that the OS will use both CPUs to offload core tasks, should give me the bump I need for right now.  Then if/when Bidule MP support works well, I'll see how much farther I can go.

Doug

On 8/28/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 aug 2007, at 04.13, Doug Cox wrote:

> Downloaded the trial version of Amplitube Jimi Hendrix, and it
> sounds GREAT.  Better by a longshot than any other guitar amp VST
> I've tried so far.  But as I feared, it's pretty heavy on the CPU.
> In my core Bidule setup, it gives me a 23-25% increase in CPU usage
> on my (admittedly slow) 1.5GHZ 2MB single-cpu laptop.  That puts me
> into crackleland :(
>
> I'll be very interested in seeing if I can squeeze it in when my
> new lappy arrives (dual core 2.0ghz w/ 4MB).  This alone is reason
> enough to try out Bidule's multi CPU support, too.

Don't hold your breath, the multi core support just came with the
latest beta of Bidule. I decided to try it out and loaded up a
session on my Apple G5, which at the moment is the only pc I have
around that uses dual processors. My finding was that activating "MP
Assign" for modules induced crackling noise in the input audio. I
tried every combination of MP assignment among VST's and other
modules but could not find a setting with a clean input. I reported
it to the developers. This was a dual G5 and you may get different
results on multi core machines and dual core intels.

If you intend to try MP Assignment it's a good idea to read up at the
Bidule forum on how it works, so you can better chose which modules
to MP assign and which to not.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)




------=_Part_15086_29550812.1188307002474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953603BF79; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D42350.1030901@biink.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:29:52 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2QH0m.A.G0D.LNC1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Matthew Johnson wrote: > why have I not been taken off the list yet, how long does it normally > take? The waiting list is about 6-8 months. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2443BF76; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <076401c7e97a$4fd99550$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:49:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:49:55 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > On 28 aug 2007, at 06.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Check it out... >> >> Digital Input of RME Fireface 400: Input Digital: 1 x ADAT optical or >> SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU compatible) >> >> Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab sims): Coaxial >> (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF) >> >> Anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the FW400 >> inserts; however it's a digital connection between VF1 and FW400, and I >> still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, etc. > > > No. Exactly the opposite. What you get is the nice DA conversion of your > VF-1. ;-) But the Firwire has to convert the audio from my computer back into analog and send to the output, right? So don't I get at least one stage of conversion? Also, I'm not worried about the VF1. The specs on that unit aren't that bad, and it's doing to sound better than some of the other solutions I was considering which introduce all sorts of noice into the signtal path. Kris > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:56:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8548C3BEC7; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=N3PVYfzr1qxUKdrSlGqqEe8wjTHL5W7u2qP8yHxPN4SZCuP150hGyPNGSR27VKUvZiEKpUsXx0C2zT7x01Sz++x5lJ3UEEU1PUJiB8VgwXNhqXt5pBAMtSaGrF759IFLOWx1oCwWUfIg6/iRrNzRSJVcyZW9Mc3CTMGmJ3ogsf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jS20qddB7twRk6Gl95hKNg9+jnMaefRSjcHd0/5tZ3Y801gH8DtS+sIm0b6T2VtBwH/MCDrlJMHhgma/2T3MMZO67uv/p3u4qz0uU3JGpBsSOihAGSAXmS9iuSuSD71QsViovwxhzqS/Zy9Cgrv8XseaeVEKPhR5IhvWZg4lxXA= In-Reply-To: <076401c7e97a$4fd99550$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> <076401c7e97a$4fd99550$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:56:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:11 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- >> On 28 aug 2007, at 06.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Check it out... >>> >>> Digital Input of RME Fireface 400: Input Digital: 1 x ADAT >>> optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial (AES/EBU compatible) >>> >>> Digital Output of my Boss VF-1 (which is decent amp/cab sims): >>> Coaxial (EIAJ CP-1201, S/P DIF) >>> >>> Anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Granted, this bypasses the >>> FW400 inserts; however it's a digital connection between VF1 and >>> FW400, and I still get all the nice DA conversion of the FW400, >>> etc. >> >> >> No. Exactly the opposite. What you get is the nice DA conversion >> of your VF-1. ;-) On 28 aug 2007, at 15.49, Krispen Hartung wrote: > But the Firwire has to convert the audio from my computer back into > analog and send to the output, right? Oh shit... you got me there, Kris! ;-) I was too fast and confused DA with AD. I stand corrected waiting for permission to crawl back under my rock.... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5773BF72; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:56:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > Have you read Nels Cline's opinion about guitar amps ang guitar tone, > especially in his "amp de jour" article? He seems to be using about the > same > settings as you are. Thanks, I will check that out! > And Luca said: > "The electric guitar by itself is basically a piece of wood with a pickup > and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run it through a > regular line input or mixer board, etc." > > Although I'm well aware of the fact that you have years of deep research > in > electric guitar sound under your belt, I dare to disagree here. It doesn't > sound total crap, it just doesn't sound what people come to expect from > electric guitar sound. Same goes if you take a really good drumkit, put it > in a good room and mike it with two or maximum three excellent mikes (no > close-miking, mind you), record that properly and then play that recording > to contemporary pop/rock listeners and ask them whether this is a good > drum > sound. Heh heh...I said that, Rainer, not Luca. :) It was an exerpt from an email I sent to Jeff Kaiser, and I prefaced it with a disclaimer that it was extreme and based on frustration. I still stand to my comment that for me plugging any guitar (solid body electric or my precious hollow body PRS, or the tons of other guitars I've owned over the years) direcly into a mixer board produces very undesireable results and tone. "For me" it does sound like crap...sterile and lifeless. Perhaps someone likes the tone...not me. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 13:59:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63423BF77; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <079b01c7e97b$b5595bd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> <46D42350.1030901@biink.com> Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:59:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:59:54 +0000 (UTC) :) Yes, you are on backorder, Matthew. ----- Original Message ----- > Matthew Johnson wrote: > >> why have I not been taken off the list yet, how long does it normally >> take? > > > > The waiting list is about 6-8 months. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 14:27:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34A83BF99; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07af01c7e97f$9f4a3ef0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200708272316.l7RNGDQx079397@mail.cruzio.com> <074001c7e92f$1ce84fb0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <06CEDF6C-1388-4B0A-90D7-27BD4A5C5B0B@gmail.com> <076401c7e97a$4fd99550$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:27:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-28738-1188311274-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:27:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-28738-1188311274-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-28738-1188311274-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-28738-1188311274-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > On 28 aug 2007, at 15.49, Krispen Hartung = wrote: >=20 >> But the Firwire has to convert the audio from my computer back into =20 >> analog and send to the output, right? >=20 > Oh shit... you got me there, Kris! ;-) I was too fast and confused =20 > DA with AD. I stand corrected waiting for permission to crawl back =20 > under my rock.... But you were half right. :) And your comment is well taken. Check out = the VF1 specs for AD/DA, sampling, and dynamic range. AD Conversion 24 bit 64 times Oversampling ??Modulation=20 =20 DA Conversion 24 bit 128 times Oversampling ??Modulation=20 =20 Sampling Frequency 44.1 kHz=20 =20 Program Memories 400: 200 (User) + 200 (Preset)=20 =20 Nominal Input Level GUITAR INPUT Jack: -20 dBu INPUT Jack L (MONO)/R: -20 dBu, +4 dBu=20 =20 Input Impedance GUITAR INPUT Jack: 1 MINPUT Jack L (MONO)/R: 20 k = ohms=20 =20 kNominal Output Level OUTPUT Jack L (MONO)/R: -20 dBu, +4 dBu=20 =20 Output Impedance OUTPUT Jack L (MONO)/R: 1 k ohms=20 =20 Dynamic Range 97 dB or greater (IHF-A)=20 =20 >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-28738-1188311274-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message ----- > On 28 = aug 2007,=20 at 15.49, Krispen Hartung wrote:
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>> But the Firwire = has to=20 convert the audio from my computer back into 
>> analog = and send=20 to the output, right?
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> Oh shit... you got me there, = Kris!=20 ;-)  I was too fast and confused 
> DA with AD. I stand = corrected waiting for permission to crawl back 
> under my=20 rock....
 
But you were half right. :)  And = your comment=20 is well taken.   Check out the VF1 specs for AD/DA, sampling, = and=20 dynamic range.
 
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References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com> <46D42350.1030901@biink.com> <079b01c7e97b$b5595bd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <079b01c7e97b$b5595bd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Since the subject of film came up... I rented the documentary film: "Fog of War" which is a long and candid interview with Robert McNamara. The documentary is very thought-provoking and I highly recommend the film. (The film was made in 2004.) However, the reason I mention this film is that it has an awesome soundtrack -- much of the music by Philip Glass. As loopers we all have an interest in musical repitition. From the simple repeating patterns emerges intense emotion that well-supports that words and images of the film. The music is not particularly dissonant and at times is strangely beautiful and melancholy. I just discovered that the soundtrack album is available on Amazon so I ordered it. :) While the music is not looped (in the sense of electronic looping) I think it has many qualities that would translate into the looping medium. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77273BF78; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nEG4UqOMSHMrtssH8m/hae44DDkXEKoLZr8oDfMo1ZJd09OIQByXuwuQAUgZ+gCfdsdBVdYduCUyKaitH/XM5hp83Vq2yzchny1asIdnvCtjUdcMYWsaXNuMKayblp+T3fj5kglI0ExHvDiyEXtJFsOvg+MuTdknrPCWAL+c7lY=; X-YMail-OSG: cQp7IlMVM1k8R1xNLspHY6pKTHWUqPHjgIgBLhs7mEHQTD9BD7AqAupgq2ihe72ZE1nBSCudBXNO10iTnUZti6X9jXDbTSK9hRKjQI5hyM.8SdP9wGj.xpwGonjA Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob West Subject: Echoplex Footpedal odd behaviour - help? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-21910286-1188313969=:73667" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <223577.73667.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-21910286-1188313969=:73667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, My 'Plex footpedal has started to behave a little weird, - if I tap the 'Insert' switch it will frequently send the unit into 'Multiply', and quite often the 'Multiincrease' mode of Multiply. Is this indicative of a dodgy Insert switch, a dodgy Multiply switch, or something else? ( I've swopped out the footpedal to plex cable a few times and it didn't improve things ) Many thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --0-21910286-1188313969=:73667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all,
My 'Plex footpedal has started to behave a little weird, - if I tap the 'Insert' switch it will frequently send the unit into 'Multiply', and quite often the 'Multiincrease' mode of Multiply.

Is this indicative of a dodgy Insert switch, a dodgy Multiply switch, or something else?

( I've swopped out the footpedal to plex cable a few times and it didn't improve things )

Many thanks,
Andrew


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Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --0-21910286-1188313969=:73667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:21:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39263BF75; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <46D42350.1030901@biink.com> Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:21:19 +0200 Message-ID: <00fd01c7e987$164f48e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46D42350.1030901@biink.com> Thread-Index: Acfphh6ThlaGbc/rRPup2/oomAAFhQAAOe3w Resent-Message-ID: <8wcI3B.A.gLB.z1D1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) > The waiting list is about 6-8 months. David !! :-) -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CB33BF99; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:25:12 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acfpezc3xpGsQMIORcGy/Xx26yI7nAAC7Hfw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYMt6h0= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <1r-Xm.A.0bB.E5D1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:24:52 +0000 (UTC) > > pickup and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run it > > through a regular line input or mixer board, etc." > Heh heh...I said that, Rainer, not Luca. :) It was an exerpt I later discovered that Luca didn't say it and hoped that you would tell me who made this statement...thanks, I wouldn't have expected that to come from Luca. > still stand to my comment that for me plugging any guitar > (solid body electric or my precious hollow body PRS, or the > tons of other guitars I've owned over the years) direcly into > a mixer board produces very undesireable results and tone. > "For me" it does sound like crap...sterile and lifeless. Plugging an electric guitar (with passive electronics) directly into the mixing board produces undesirable results because the mixer ins have a low impedance in the 1E2Ohm range. Passive electronics don't like that. Apart from that issue (which you can easily circumvent by using a DI box), it may have to do with your choice of sound. Sometimes, I'm forced to play unprocessed (like at the y2k6loopfest main festival gig of which you'll find the recordings on the festival website) because my ampsim crashes, but I wouldn't call it crap apart from my own playing. (The setup in that case was Bill's wonderful pink strat into Behringer DI20 into Firebox mic in and from there unprocessed to FOH). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164113BFA7; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:34:32 +0200 Message-ID: <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> Thread-Index: Acfphh61jL/XyakTTpWiiPNFE+Cs5wAAQriA Resent-Message-ID: <3epK1C.A.p3B.MCE1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:34:37 +0000 (UTC) About films - who knows films that contain logical loops or at least repetitions as a main ingredient? The one that comes to my mind immediately is Groundhog Day of course. Also, a very good (IMO) German film called "Run Lola Run" by Tom Tykwer - it shows three variations of the same plot, with small changes in the beginning leading to a different outcome every time. Actually I brought this up just to show that even OT topics might lead back to being on topic. I doubt that opening a second mailing list just for off topic discussions would work so well, and is worth the effort. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 15:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356F73BF7D; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QGqFO1UuBsdvGFu13yuNx7/3/s3/7iNI3mPJbGZ5lJTbY2V67xP6Yj83VCHKittc4wsiJNP8EPeuftaVEhOXt00Bw05Dvf0ktVUlFJmbOU1YBMu8B5oe0J7bB1uXH8m8paPbO3f7PpCya9Rq8Sgsp/I3KIhPNW2mCAmf5xtyWeA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bDixmGnuOkJBZfLQudBXe9MNswECjUQs9DnNU+r3cOX3+vTxY2/o7d8LJT4kREMvCM6JC1qHO3f865C45GUYtlYlgsIEqNYxT6eUlPYvTp4zFm7OkLgSkRPCBLWv7MGgHM9xAbZ9ES97xmtvcPgGWDVzWT+2DMdZX7I6ahGzry4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:59:47 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal odd behaviour - help? In-Reply-To: <223577.73667.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <223577.73667.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) It usually means that one of the switches has gotten dirt in it, or is wearing out. Get some contact cleaner, open up the foot controller and clean out the switches. You can check if the switch is clean by measuring the resistance of each switch when depressed and then comparing it to the resistance values that are posted on the LD site somewhere in the Tools of the Trade section. As I recall there's a base value for the leftmost switch, and then each one increases by a multiple of that as you move to the right. Switches that get used the most wear out sooner of course. TH On 8/28/07, Bob West wrote: > Hi all, > My 'Plex footpedal has started to behave a little weird, - if I tap the 'Insert' switch it will frequently send the unit into 'Multiply', and quite often the 'Multiincrease' mode of Multiply. > > Is this indicative of a dodgy Insert switch, a dodgy Multiply switch, or something else? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:01:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A34D3BF7D; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:00:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:01:04 +0000 (UTC) > Plugging an electric guitar (with passive electronics) directly into the > mixing board produces undesirable results because the mixer ins have a low > impedance in the 1E2Ohm range. Passive electronics don't like that. But that is sort of missing my point, because I believe that the circuitry of the mixerboard only addresses part of the problem. My argument, only from my own personal perspective and requriements, is that the undesireableness has to do with the fact that what many people have come to recognize as a "nice" electric guitar sound, is produced from an amp, or at least a decent amp simulator. There is nothing you are going to do with the EQ or impedence of a board to change this for me. It's the original sound source at question, not the circuitry that comes afterward. It's the "Crap in, crap out" phenomenon. Nothing is going to change my perspective on the sound of the solid body electric guitar plugged directly into a board. I've heard what it sounds like in multiple instances and boards, and inserts, $100,000 recording consuls, etc...and there is no way I am doing any gig with that setup, end of story. My ears know the difference, especially if my gig has a strong jazz feel. > Apart from that issue (which you can easily circumvent by using a DI box), > it may have to do with your choice of sound. Exactly. I am a tone freak. I've played guitar for 28 years, through many diverse genres, and I know what I like. The sound of the solid body electric, direct into any quality of insert just appalls me. Sometimes, I'm forced to play > unprocessed (like at the y2k6loopfest main festival gig of which you'll > find > the recordings on the festival website) because my ampsim crashes, but I > wouldn't call it crap apart from my own playing. "crap" was my choice of subjective expressions, meaning "I don't likeeee". :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:15:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18BA3BFA7; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:16:02 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7e98e$ba47e450$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcfpjKNu84X6p9rqRfysSvDEcFK3TgAAUeqg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYMt6h0= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) > problem. My argument, only from my own personal perspective > and requriements, is that the undesireableness has to do with > the fact that what many people have come to recognize as a > "nice" electric guitar sound, is produced from an amp, or at > least a decent amp simulator. There is nothing you are going So that also falls into the same line of argument as my modern rock/pop drum sound analogy. People have come to expect that combo of close-miking with a combination of condensers/moving coils/PZMs, aggresive EQ, compression and gates for a true drum sound, although this does not have anything to do with what a drum sounds like. > Sometimes, I'm forced to play > > unprocessed (like at the y2k6loopfest main festival gig of which > > you'll find the recordings on the festival website) because > my ampsim > > crashes, but I wouldn't call it crap apart from my own playing. > > "crap" was my choice of subjective expressions, meaning "I > don't likeeee". Well, I don't like it either if and when my ampsim crashes mid-performance ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2613BFB0; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:25:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c7e990$04bd5d70$0e381850$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfpjcProB+tL8ZLTVi8FRZHuW+j4gAAd7Kw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D4e4f050c00001516.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Curious, are folks going directly from interfaces, like the RME, directly out to amps, monitors, or house PA mixers? (or all of the above)? No DI involved? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:28:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29DF23BF78; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004b01c7e990$8e02d060$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com><15d0840708280523o76e294f7xbd8a59b416510483@mail.gmail.com><46D42350.1030901@biink.com><079b01c7e97b$b5595bd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: OT Film (flattering zoe) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:29:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VhNHdebwqDAjRYde7KGBzjkE1NdLw95n5w/9 xKzO+h7OoK+7RQM3tNplblkpBHLJHEzKNxJZq3P0wSGbSnJ8gX 7Pn9HYFKK/Reor6IOnw6C5E226srZ+x Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) i saw an interesting documentary a few months ago with good music: "frozen angels" a lot of the music is by looper's delight member zoe keating. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) > Since the subject of film came up... > > I rented the documentary film: "Fog of War" which is a long and candid > interview with Robert McNamara. The documentary is very > thought-provoking and I highly recommend the film. (The film was made > in 2004.) > > However, the reason I mention this film is that it has an awesome > soundtrack -- much of the music by Philip Glass. As loopers we all > have an interest in musical repitition. From the simple repeating > patterns emerges intense emotion that well-supports that words and > images of the film. The music is not particularly dissonant and at > times is strangely beautiful and melancholy. > > I just discovered that the soundtrack album is available on Amazon so > I ordered it. :) > > While the music is not looped (in the sense of electronic looping) I > think it has many qualities that would translate into the looping > medium. > > -- Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2E53BF9B; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1188318686.46d44dde32776@imp.free.fr> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:31:26 +0200 From: daviD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behold the new off-topic list : LDOT References: <20070828151250.49A993BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070828151250.49A993BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 82.247.8.105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:31:28 +0000 (UTC) I just created a google group named "Looper's Delight Off-Topic" : http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ It's yours to use, now :) And if someone wants to be the admin of this list, just email me and I'll gladly set you up as the admin/owner... "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:33:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2679E3BFB5; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pIj3wRnbQrXHhcvb5NsHYx7SM0HHIOt39W6PyjBgu43Szs9MUDmvwT27ioIEIdxms2H+rrE0EHgg0tMd2Hdp87hFr5TpAAqpo8XWjEzQV+RM6vfLv17YKpW2KTFcUjzsJK/1TPXy9CpvZKuw/eW6i15v60sgzvnSTd8LppMlUU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OVyjwVb8kWtJnv1nOYui2ICYOptnsI9z4uWfvaBr5d2iqRgHMJov5H/rweVHm+Y62JH1KkE/w/KRDo8rx7gNaX2lNMn8ZoEimwHGdCyPkSEMF1jlSaTtdXoS529nZLFACOl0+HKDPMEdXUasDIdkbdbLO0VnaNfkInf0c44COmI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:33:54 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50564_7873375.1188318834857" Resent-Message-ID: <92G0uB.A.nxE.05E1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:33:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50564_7873375.1188318834857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_50564_7873375.1188318834857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi there,

one question.

why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the price when getting the adapter and interface?

i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong?

well, not one question at all... ;-)

thanks in advance,
raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_50564_7873375.1188318834857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E4A3BFBC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006401c7e992$0779fa80$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:39:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+aASzG/4bQKRyUNyD71fhK2LbBo3u8jI9fh45 bxGOE/XWcUY+nJVctj7drVjDnojDvLsV/nilAmeVE/DMuuHECu mFp+Jq3RtE5lzvoAsMvESEjpp3Cdpeg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) 12 monkeys! help me. who wrote this excellent story about a man with ab watch he got from the devil that can make the past hour loop forever - and the guy forgets about it, because he always thinks: there will come a better hours, soon...? tilmann ps: about LOLA RENNT: the supermarket lola runs towards, where her friend plans the hold up - i studied jazz two blocks away and bought most of my food, there. the telephone booth is a prop, as well as the "spirale"-sign. most of the rest is genuine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) > About films - who knows films that contain logical loops or at least > repetitions as a main ingredient? The one that comes to my mind > immediately > is Groundhog Day of course. > > Also, a very good (IMO) German film called "Run Lola Run" by Tom Tykwer - > it > shows three variations of the same plot, with small changes in the > beginning > leading to a different outcome every time. > > Actually I brought this up just to show that even OT topics might lead > back > to being on topic. I doubt that opening a second mailing list just for off > topic discussions would work so well, and is worth the effort. > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 16:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 896913BFBC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E3CB316-8CA4-4973-8DFA-6F8E3AC97930@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: (films) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:56:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Hands down for me, personally, the greatest film ever made is Alejandro Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain". Made in 1971, or so, it is an astounding film, but certainly not one for just about anybody. It is about a quest for spiritual Truth, but NOT in the ways that many may think it approaches that quest. HIGHLY REVcommended! But like I said, it may be just too much ,or over some heads, for some folks. I have seen it countless numbers of times and it seems "fresh" to me every time. Works for me. On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: >>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest > movies I've ever seen...delightful.<< > > hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... Many great artists can be that way, but I don't go to a film to "see" the "artist", but only to experience the work that artist is presenting. Their personalities mean nothing to me, personally for the most part, although sometimes there CAN be some exceptions, but very rarely. I also think that Mr. Greenaway's "Prospero's Books" is a HIGH mark of cinematic achievement and is a mind blower, and another film that is HIGHLY REVcommended! Nyman did the music for this one as well and did an excellent job, IMO. -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:06:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6583BF7B; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: steve Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:06:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:06:53 +0000 (UTC) i read a pete townsend interview as a kid and they where asking him about gtrs and he said he didn't care about the guitars, its all about the amp, the guitars are secondary and he picks them to suit the amp not the other way around i'm not saying this is an end all comment and may well have been off the cuff BS but it resonated with what i thought at the time about my love for hot rodded princetons and deluxes i play alot of bass, a whole lot of acoustic and nylon guitars and other instruments and DI all the time but when it comes to playing electric guitar it just seems like the sound and FEEL isn't there until i run it through something....ampish and i play clean most of the time, its not that i need distortion etc i don't skimp money on guitars or pickups and use good cables i like to pick an electric acoustically and agree it should have a good tone like that as an indicator of a quality instrument but for me it only starts there, mag pickups just seem lame without the partner they started out with, obviously they don't work plugged DI without SOMETHING in between them and the board, to me it sounds best if that something replicates what a simple clean warm tube amp does or something designed with those impedances and circuitry in mind, something made FOR guitar and i readily accept that what sounds and feels like ass to me is the holy grail to someone else and that we are both right the duncan pedal preamp that was mentioned recently is great i have a rack version of it loaded with a 12au7 that is my fav and gives tons of headroom but still adds that tube warmth and feel the following is opinion only NOT meant as recommendation or argument TO ME a DI'd electric is like a crappy acoustic with little body resonance it doesn't become an electric guitar till it runs through circuitry meant for those mag pickups, its like a speaker without the box, yeah its vibrating but without the enclosure to shape it, the sound ain't makin it On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Plugging an electric guitar (with passive electronics) directly >> into the >> mixing board produces undesirable results because the mixer ins >> have a low >> impedance in the 1E2Ohm range. Passive electronics don't like that. > > But that is sort of missing my point, because I believe that the > circuitry of the mixerboard > only addresses part of the problem. My argument, only from my own > personal > perspective and requriements, is that the undesireableness has to > do with the fact > that what many people have come to recognize as a "nice" electric > guitar sound, is produced > from an amp, or at least a decent amp simulator. There is nothing > you are going > to do with the EQ or impedence of a board to change this for me. > It's the original sound > source at question, not the circuitry that comes afterward. It's > the "Crap in, crap out" > phenomenon. Nothing is going to change my perspective on the sound > of the solid > body electric guitar plugged directly into a board. I've heard what > it sounds like in > multiple instances and boards, and inserts, $100,000 recording > consuls, etc...and there > is no way I am doing any gig with that setup, end of story. My ears > know the difference, > especially if my gig has a strong jazz feel. > >> Apart from that issue (which you can easily circumvent by using a >> DI box), >> it may have to do with your choice of sound. > > Exactly. I am a tone freak. I've played guitar for 28 years, > through many diverse genres, > and I know what I like. The sound of the solid body electric, > direct into any quality > of insert just appalls me. > > Sometimes, I'm forced to play >> unprocessed (like at the y2k6loopfest main festival gig of which >> you'll find >> the recordings on the festival website) because my ampsim crashes, >> but I >> wouldn't call it crap apart from my own playing. > > "crap" was my choice of subjective expressions, meaning "I don't > likeeee". :) > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:15:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C354A3BF7D; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 597962644-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.177.166 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HALf000ZPQrGm/2dsb2JhbACCJKcD Message-ID: <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:15:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I still > stand to my comment that for me plugging any guitar (solid body electric > or my precious > hollow body PRS, or the tons of other guitars I've owned over the years) > direcly into > a mixer board produces very undesireable results and tone. "For me" it > does sound > like crap...sterile and lifeless. Perhaps someone likes the tone...not me. > > Kris A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged straight into it, even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance mismatch. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:15:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C583BFA4; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07ea01c7e997$0f166d50$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c7e98e$ba47e450$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:15:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_IRzKD.A.wZH.9gF1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:15:41 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- >> problem. My argument, only from my own personal perspective >> and requriements, is that the undesireableness has to do with >> the fact that what many people have come to recognize as a >> "nice" electric guitar sound, is produced from an amp, or at >> least a decent amp simulator. There is nothing you are going > > So that also falls into the same line of argument as my modern rock/pop > drum > sound analogy. People have come to expect that combo of close-miking with > a > combination of condensers/moving coils/PZMs, aggresive EQ, compression and > gates for a true drum sound, although this does not have anything to do > with > what a drum sounds like. Well, people have come to expect the final sonic output, not all that technical stuff you mention regarding close micing, coils, etc. But the main point I agree with, namely that it is the "what" that is important to many of us here, not necessarily the "how". And all I know is that given the "what" I prefer, plugging my guitar into any mixer board is not a "how" that is going to create the "what". So, all this for me is about finding a "how" that is the most cost efficient and space efficient way of generating my desired "what". It's a basic engineering problem that will probably be the death of me. What, how, who, where, why? @*#?!#$ Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:30:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55DC23BF68; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006401c7e992$0779fa80$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <006401c7e992$0779fa80$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:29:54 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) At 6:39 PM +0200 8/28/07, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >help me. who wrote this excellent story about a man with ab watch he >got from the devil that can make the past hour loop forever - and >the guy forgets about it, because he always thinks: there will come >a better hours, soon...? I think it might have been Robert Silverberg (not 100% certain, though). The title was something like "The Hellbound Train". Along similar lines is one of my favorite Harlan Ellison stories, "The Cheese Stands Alone". It involves a man encountering an, erm, suspicious curio shop broker (aren't they all) who can show you a vision of the best -- the absolute pinnacle -- moment of your life. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37AB3BF5C; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D45E07.5050800@twinsongs.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:40:23 -0500 From: Nick Bennett Organization: Twin Songs Music User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <006401c7e992$0779fa80$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:40:28 +0000 (UTC) "That Hell-Bound Train" was the story; it was by Robert Bloch. I think you can find it in the three-volume "Complete Stories of Robert Bloch" collection, as well as volume II (I think) of the Hugo Winners collections. Ellison's "The Cheese Stands Alone" is a great one, too. Nick Mech wrote: > At 6:39 PM +0200 8/28/07, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: >> >> help me. who wrote this excellent story about a man with ab watch he >> got from the devil that can make the past hour loop forever - and the >> guy forgets about it, because he always thinks: there will come a >> better hours, soon...? > > I think it might have been Robert Silverberg (not 100% certain, > though). The title was something like "The Hellbound Train". > > Along similar lines is one of my favorite Harlan Ellison stories, "The > Cheese Stands Alone". It involves a man encountering an, erm, > suspicious curio shop broker (aren't they all) who can show you a > vision of the best -- the absolute pinnacle -- moment of your life. > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:44:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98EE3BF68; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:44:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) At 5:34 PM +0200 8/28/07, Michael Peters wrote: >About films - who knows films that contain logical loops or at least >repetitions as a main ingredient? The one that comes to my mind immediately >is Groundhog Day of course. There's a SF short film from 1990 called "12:01 PM" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098962/ ). It's a serious treatment of the time loop theme, starring Kurtwood Smith (most popularly, Red Foreman from "That 70's Show"; but an excellent character actor in his own right). I think it's funny that the description lists this film as "similar in plot to Groundhog Day" when it preceded Groundhog Day by 3 years. In fact, when I first saw "Groundhog Day", I kept expecting to hear of a lawsuit from the creative team behind "12:01 PM", but nothing ever materialized. There's another more recent film with a time/logical loop theme that's nagging at the edge of my conciousness, but I can't bring it up right now. For the moment, I'll throw out "The Butterfly Effect", with Ashton Kutcher. Nice idea, but I'm not certain how well the execution works on that one. A bit muddled, IIRC. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:50:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 260E03BF7D; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <082f01c7e99b$f1249e20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:50:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on this: 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps = 1.5MBps 4. FW400 400Mbps = 50MBps 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps = 60MBps 2. FW800 800Mbps = 100MBps 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps = 133MBps If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that much more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get your better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of mulit-tracking. Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of them on some audio lists. Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have ExpressCard. Interesting article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:55:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93A503BF8F; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46D45E07.5050800@twinsongs.com> References: <20070828095837.q47kpntdhycgkww4@69.89.21.76> <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <006401c7e992$0779fa80$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <46D45E07.5050800@twinsongs.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:55:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:55:18 +0000 (UTC) At 12:40 PM -0500 8/28/07, Nick Bennett wrote: >"That Hell-Bound Train" was the story; it was by Robert Bloch. I >think you can find it in the three-volume "Complete Stories of >Robert Bloch" collection, as well as volume II (I think) of the Hugo >Winners collections. Bloch! That's right; I had the wrong Robert. :) I remember reading it in that Hugo Winners collection years ago. Thanks for the reminder. Great series (as well as the Nebulas), so I may have to go back and pick that one up too. >Ellison's "The Cheese Stands Alone" is a great one, too. Heh! Harlan can get a bit self-indulgent (hey, I can say that; he's still one of my all-time favorite authors ;). But this story is from my favorite time period, collected in "Stalking the Nightmare". IMNSHO, this collection personifies what one friend of mine once said about Ellison: "He may have his ups and downs, but when Harlan finds a shard of truth he's not afraid to cut you with it". --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 17:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB693BF96; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2852E966-3398-4825-B60C-3B7A2BC2942D@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: OT: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:57:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) I'll be unsubscribing from LD for a while. Among other things, I'll be pondering whether "OT" is an acronym for "On Topic" or "Off Topic". Feel free to contact me "OL" (OFF list), just make sure to be "OT". Wait... make that "OT". Loop on! Bernhard http://bernhardwagner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:08:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C9E63BF65; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oE3B93NR8gFeSJ1fjwcaboa++4gYavvTFSD4DbnF9vY8O2rSbNzndp+2xewDmbmmeYRkV+eWZE8yGm4Byd1hTBHbP9MJ7iGw0dOA80KWEaBuwZQCdi9T4RzA3ub97soSHnbG0RLIc+mAkp/zUntZmJBq/lo0MnqdQR5h/N9LV1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=h28CUlih2AyQc8Bq8ilgyGfPIWGb2QPTzk4vIk7Te/BEGudKBbyXP7LgMh2KaOF9+RtXG6jt8NRp1E1XC8+vqR7e7nvazk3fxXTYL+zZxUBYqVv0HFeXxPx77oNTRI3HcMszTkYhIjbBhlo/TDPbklAEB9AwRscROH55AHoAAeA= Message-ID: <4759e5740708281108p4b970c42y67556b07350c7c26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:08:44 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <2852E966-3398-4825-B60C-3B7A2BC2942D@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98231_11429899.1188324524670" References: <2852E966-3398-4825-B60C-3B7A2BC2942D@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:08:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_98231_11429899.1188324524670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline if you need some help unsubscribing....... (grin) t. On 8/28/07, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > > I'll be unsubscribing from LD for a while. Among other things, I'll > be pondering whether "OT" is an acronym for "On Topic" or "Off Topic". > > Feel free to contact me "OL" (OFF list), just make sure to be "OT". > Wait... make that "OT". > > Loop on! > Bernhard > http://bernhardwagner.net > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_98231_11429899.1188324524670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline if you need some help unsubscribing.......

(grin)

t.

On 8/28/07, Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@ bernhardwagner.net> wrote:

I'll be unsubscribing from LD for a while. Among other things, I'll
be pondering whether "OT" is an acronym for "On Topic" or "Off Topic".

Feel free to contact me "OL" (OFF list), just make sure to be "OT".
Wait... make that "OT".

Loop on!
Bernhard
http://bernhardwagner.net





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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_98231_11429899.1188324524670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:23:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910443BF7D; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:23:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > > A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. > > A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged straight > into it, > even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance > mismatch. > > andy butler But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency range? Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing the tone that I don't like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then now we're talking....more like fantasizing. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:26:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FD93BF9C; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:24:00 -0400 Message-ID: <9CFD61AD7B59AB4DA218FE0EBF4F50BF20A742@ntxbeus22.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <082f01c7e99b$f1249e20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire thread-index: Acfpm/pcq36iTeOGQxS3B72lxFwLTQAAmQyQ References: <082f01c7e99b$f1249e20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Huffman, David" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 18:25:24.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD011D70:01C7E9A0] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/6Qdh5bImJqbVjC2G+69z83D7WvoR2qXO0eMS MU4qtMfdE9nYXtYV91kJ5rNhnorofcPVNLiUJuFBuOhNvAG6+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:26:26 +0000 (UTC) I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of things to come. =20 Two observations/hypotheses: 1 - the demise of PCMCIA 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394 chipset. I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I also have to buy a new wireless data card.) So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=3DNN-EC2812-S1). Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2 - Tascam 428). In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c=3D= us&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs&cs=3D19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin = 1394 port. Dave Huffman -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on this: 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps =3D 1.5MBps 4. FW400 400Mbps =3D 50MBps 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps =3D 60MBps 2. FW800 800Mbps =3D 100MBps 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps =3D 133MBps If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that much=20 more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get your=20 better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of mulit-tracking. Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of them on some audio lists. Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA=20 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have ExpressCard. Interesting article here:=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire,=20 people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the=20 price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=3Dcardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:32:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3A1E3BF9C; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: OT: FW: lsytimin Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c7e9a1$c4e0ecf0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7E967.188214F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfpe5j4uMjj/O/XQgaN9lwUiTr8FAAJh5ew Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3Mwi1D.A.A6D.7oG1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7E967.188214F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Ajanth Karvinen [mailto:AjanthKarvinen@adjectival.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:59 AM To: sine@zerocrossing.net Subject: lsytimin http://polaice.com/ Hello Karvinen wishing you had a bigger one-eyed wonder? and do something about it Bree mcmaster ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7E967.188214F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajanth Karvinen [mailto:AjanthKarvinen@adjectival.net]
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Hello Karvinen

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I will try the ExpressCard too. My ThinkPad has both a cardbus and ExpressCard slot. I didn't know they had FW adaptors for those yet? Amazing. I too had problems with a Cardbus/FW adpator I bought several months ago, to try out a FW audio interface. I had a IRQ conflict. However, someone else on this list here had success with another cardbus/FW adpator made by Adaptec...so, I bought that yesterday and will try it with my ThinkPad once I get the RME FW400. But I'd love to use a new ExpressCard adaptor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of things to come. Two observations/hypotheses: 1 - the demise of PCMCIA 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394 chipset. I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I also have to buy a new wireless data card.) So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2812-S1). Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2 - Tascam 428). In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c= us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin 1394 port. Dave Huffman -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on this: 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps = 1.5MBps 4. FW400 400Mbps = 50MBps 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps = 60MBps 2. FW800 800Mbps = 100MBps 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps = 133MBps If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that much more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get your better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of mulit-tracking. Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of them on some audio lists. Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have ExpressCard. Interesting article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:42:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9887E3BF6B; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WpSzBOl50kVC8b5QdhxI49tffOc+mZH6hxWcABvpHiVpLxwC7KYC7DgnvIoMp7x/Mq8sg2R7sf6BpJzpdQ7PI7Qo8m/4cPGcQRss3e6lWZThevSqM+5qkOfmpXCNWyQB8dT9bHVLbcrGOcmF52JZJI+eyggHapDOAoqR8G9/RpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GWkKw+X5Y3gzB9mQke6lIlaNVKNCuU9JcQMeHXXRdO2hRHch7Q4RDkRiS92EFOq1KL0R/tNcHUZnRY9/LIRZ9ci44JmBhaEVZPmLCu4gzQpY+WxhL/PZYMYIwtCvPlDokWknirNj2xoW8qYBRy08wo43xh52gBH+WedQP5pNkU0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:42:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:42:50 +0000 (UTC) On 28 aug 2007, at 18.33, Raul Bonell wrote: > why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than > firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. Because there are some great audio interfaces based on firewire. > do macs have cardbus slots? My old G4 Powerbook has. > due to the price when getting the adapter and interface? > i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? No, you are correct. That's just two different names for the same thing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:43:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6121A3BF8B; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WqzT5snp3OJCGfdzloynGrdNTvuEFRZ2RGzcHqAAty2AaPs9rHLGtEB+K0FYtwcfOX+PS9fzGglfsV5hX12soELNXm7OlYP5YveUjyEeqwmcaMDk2ozoRfUQ293rMAu9AJty0L6MpviLVOLSzgbOrWZaitKZNuJHzA7U6D3fa5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=buHCvu+CFA17WkKB06y4353+2FxzgekBz0yAnKj+nY+M5bVagMIKuwp09gfkLAi86ABufXy2WXsDbqbBMkl1CCM0Xjsw5gAvQ/rkMfITeeVkEMOj5iUVA1dBLE18kjwC667UHvu2OEu3xMQpEwm3FYcJwEf7tyQt3ZR/iGQYT78= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:43:48 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire In-Reply-To: <085801c7e9a1$fa8cb3c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52590_2172081.1188326628340" References: <082f01c7e99b$f1249e20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9CFD61AD7B59AB4DA218FE0EBF4F50BF20A742@ntxbeus22.exchange.xchg> <085801c7e9a1$fa8cb3c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:43:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52590_2172081.1188326628340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So then, the fastest solution would be straight to the ExpressCard slot. Why to limit it here to firewire 800... Do we expect some florishing top of the range audio interfaces using this type of interface? Raul. 2007/8/28, Krispen Hartung : > > Cool, David. I will try the ExpressCard too. My ThinkPad has both a > cardbus > and ExpressCard slot. I didn't know they had FW adaptors for those yet? > Amazing. > > I too had problems with a Cardbus/FW adpator I bought several months ago, > to > try out a FW audio interface. I had a IRQ conflict. However, someone else > on > this list here had success with another cardbus/FW adpator made by > Adaptec...so, I bought that yesterday and will try it with my ThinkPad > once > I get the RME FW400. But I'd love to use a new ExpressCard adaptor. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:24 PM > Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire > > > I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of things to > come. > > Two observations/hypotheses: > > 1 - the demise of PCMCIA > 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire > > I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work > with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like > the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either > the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394 > chipset. > > I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my > surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an > ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I also > have to buy a new wireless data card.) > > So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin > 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2812-S1). > > Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I > have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have > disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2 > - Tascam 428). > > In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's > curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop > (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c= > us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin 1394 > port. > > Dave Huffman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire > > Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on > this: > > 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps = 1.5MBps > 4. FW400 400Mbps = 50MBps > 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps = 60MBps > 2. FW800 800Mbps = 100MBps > 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps = 133MBps > > If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that > much > more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? > did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get > your > better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of > mulit-tracking. > > Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that > > much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), > so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of > > them on some audio lists. > > Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later > (JEIDA > 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have > > ExpressCard. Interesting article here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard > > The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's > > shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raul Bonell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM > Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire > > > hi there, > > one question. > > why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than > firewire, > people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to > the > price when getting the adapter and interface? > > i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? > > well, not one question at all... ;-) > > thanks in advance, > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52590_2172081.1188326628340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So then, the fastest solution would be straight to the ExpressCard slot.
Why to limit it here to firewire 800... Do we expect some florishing top of the range audio interfaces using this type of interface?

Raul.

2007/8/28, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
Cool, David. I will try the ExpressCard too. My ThinkPad has both a cardbus
and ExpressCard slot. I didn't know they had FW adaptors for those yet?
Amazing.

I too had problems with a Cardbus/FW adpator I bought several months ago, to
try out a FW audio interface. I had a IRQ conflict. However, someone else on
this list here had success with another cardbus/FW adpator made by
Adaptec...so, I bought that yesterday and will try it with my ThinkPad once
I get the RME FW400. But I'd love to use a new ExpressCard adaptor.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire


I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of things to
come.

Two observations/hypotheses:

1 - the demise of PCMCIA
2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire

I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work
with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like
the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either
the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394
chipset.

I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my
surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot.  It has an
ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA.  (I also
have to buy a new wireless data card.)

So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin
800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2812-S1 ).

Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I
have been EXTREMELY happy with it.  ALL of my latency problems have
disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2
- Tascam 428).

In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's
curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop
( http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c=
us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin 1394
port.

Dave Huffman


-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire

Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on
this:

5. USB 1.x 12Mbps = 1.5MBps
4. FW400      400Mbps =  50MBps
3. USB 2.0      480Mbps =  60MBps
2. FW800      800Mbps = 100MBps
1. PCI/PCMCIA    1.1Gbps = 133MBps

If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that
much
more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy?
did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get
your
better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of
mulit-tracking.

Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that

much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others),
so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of

them on some audio lists.

Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later
(JEIDA
4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have

ExpressCard.  Interesting article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard

The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's

shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth.

Kris
----- Original Message -----
From: Raul Bonell
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire


hi there,

one question.

why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than
firewire,
people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to
the
price when getting the adapter and interface?

i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong?

well, not one question at all... ;-)

thanks in advance,
raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52590_2172081.1188326628340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D713BFCC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <086b01c7e9a3$86399450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:44:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_BgO3B.A.1WF.n0G1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- >> due to the price when getting the adapter and interface? >> i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? > > No, you are correct. That's just two different names for the same thing. Not exactly, Per. The original PCMCIA cards were not Cardbus, but all Cardbus are considered PCMCIA. It's in that article I sent. Am I interpreting them wrong? I have before. :) Damn confusing. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:46:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466793BFD2; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uGtUdbEDx++vrno/IGZvWDO+PeeLOo3vTDNpYsCddlQGzZuc7nlf+uIkVLHJEj9kJZA+7goQtUcvpBVWdryBhE08eVMsPlTZOv5izOZhJdpnvaIj5XAFYMNPqGIzWC48o6hvBsKH5oinlmLycxD+TnZUp0WEfV+bGAxJJzi5/Is= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gGK2pJ1N1yiBvQsYNaRtMAaOQ2xufQgqOJoigXKUBPKIRyEiMCqkOZwXMtKOBj2qsjSmkJSKyzB+hIc+50z+MWxSTbnLyYZ7foPrCbOAtCK61ZQPA0OKgSehw+zBtmfNVQD83rfh/imiXvuZg4PuAo5gxXfChLBcRae1SqIND0s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002401c7e990$04bd5d70$0e381850$@com> References: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> <07d701c7e98c$a23d2d40$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002401c7e990$04bd5d70$0e381850$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:46:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) On 28 aug 2007, at 18.25, Qua Veda wrote: > Curious, are folks going directly from interfaces, like the RME, > directly > out to amps, monitors, or house PA mixers? (or all of the above)? > No DI > involved? Depends on the level. But live engineers usually knows about that and if DI boxes are needed for a particular stage box or mixer they put out two of those. When I rehearse, and at some rare low volume concerts, I connect the interface directly into two active Genelec studio monitoring speakers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:48:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D14BA3BFE0; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=igrpEF3zm2IFN3adecBvRtYjtF9/OVmc42dzVaVQpr606DA06HCXLdZQ95GLuhHVWm6Vn89az75T0cmuOCMg7rdtk5of/SScj/wKKXFL8N256m6RV3hw5xsPL8aeoXN3B3KSXDha1N5J3soxe9Se1Gjr7A45Erd4YeIiM7+NqIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ARYQKuM8GeFgNlHqU4bnQ4bTO+PnbUk+xmUYryPVlbQQ7hagBgO6xkfNc9Y8M3cipQs2ApzMrJe1NBVeEvZh6sFhLozWGuWeWDfj/gE9wyYUjTeaokhSQS8GhsXDcRKSXcsPeScDmqEGnpmOXO3WZHrSSEyuNRXrj9E0dxN1fvA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:48:27 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps In-Reply-To: <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52626_30120768.1188326907809" References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52626_30120768.1188326907809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline passive guitar -> line level input = not enough gain raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52626_30120768.1188326907809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline passive guitar -> line level input = not enough gain

raul.

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52626_30120768.1188326907809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:49:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED47A3BFE7; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q6B+cnzI57ddYQTKOwZb1eKblWvRUvrLDNP87BGSzurDKDwjVcHeGRJ1sfbBhOI3icNLHwRwkNbDO/9LZl590tv8amXfv2ThsAjNn5HAm5N9MNWamEQ0qH5uiS7O2jEBO4Ok37LkhSu8HKls8AiYjQFvnPTRNIJPeW6zdIz1MNA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IMumTb3sJ3/bb9fp+gcE8+5pXCaBoA62nB3d61bNcrDYFC8imfK8ZuYpz47BTjcrZdY18YVIv0w1qXJxqU5uHzbHkrzkxV9KiaU62vIBLQraXGw3ij+xc2cNr4wbj6s0MtetK6TBvH28MhPcVE8/97y+s0B/E7xdJhZR1VG8nQM= In-Reply-To: <086b01c7e9a3$86399450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <086b01c7e9a3$86399450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F64B77A-BC30-443A-9943-BF9AE60D3670@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:49:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- >> due to the price when getting the > adapter and interface? >>> i'm suposing here pcmcia=cardbus. am i wrong? >> >> No, you are correct. That's just two different names for the same >> thing. > On 28 aug 2007, at 20.44, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Not exactly, Per. The original PCMCIA cards were not Cardbus, but > all Cardbus are considered PCMCIA. It's in > that article I sent. Am I interpreting them wrong? I have > before. :) Damn confusing. > > Kris ....boy, do I get bashed tonight!!!! ;-) p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E059D3BFF6; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <087c01c7e9a4$710a5780$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082f01c7e99b$f1249e20$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9CFD61AD7B59AB4DA218FE0EBF4F50BF20A742@ntxbeus22.exchange.xchg> <085801c7e9a1$fa8cb3c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:51:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0877_01C7E972.2576E180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:51:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0877_01C7E972.2576E180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 So then, the fastest solution would be straight to the ExpressCard = slot. Yes, but speed isn't everything. It is more about what audio interface = companies are building and what is compatible/reliable. And for some of = us who don't have FW on our PC notebooks, goig to the cardbus or = ExpressCard is a nice solution. Right now, the FW interfaces appear to = be the big kids on the block. Will someone create a kick butt = ExpressCard interface? Not sure. RME would be the next logical choice, = since they have already developed a Cardbus interface...I almost bought = it. Kris Why to limit it here to firewire 800... Do we expect some florishing = top of the range audio interfaces using this type of interface? Raul. 2007/8/28, Krispen Hartung : Cool, David. I will try the ExpressCard too. My ThinkPad has both a = cardbus and ExpressCard slot. I didn't know they had FW adaptors for those = yet? Amazing. I too had problems with a Cardbus/FW adpator I bought several months = ago, to=20 try out a FW audio interface. I had a IRQ conflict. However, someone = else on this list here had success with another cardbus/FW adpator made by Adaptec...so, I bought that yesterday and will try it with my = ThinkPad once=20 I get the RME FW400. But I'd love to use a new ExpressCard adaptor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of = things to come. Two observations/hypotheses: 1 - the demise of PCMCIA 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't = work=20 with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't = like the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires = either the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394=20 chipset. I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I = also=20 have to buy a new wireless data card.) So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and = 9-pin 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=3DNN-EC2812-S1 = ). Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my = laptop, I have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with = USB2=20 - Tascam 428). In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop ( = http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c=3D= us&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs&cs=3D19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, = 4-pin 1394 port. Dave Huffman -----Original Message-----=20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had = on this: 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps =3D 1.5MBps 4. FW400 400Mbps =3D 50MBps 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps =3D 60MBps=20 2. FW800 800Mbps =3D 100MBps 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps =3D 133MBps If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you = that much more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get = your better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of mulit-tracking. Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested = that much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), = so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a = few of them on some audio lists. Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we = have=20 ExpressCard. Interesting article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus = CardBus's=20 shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM=20 Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire, people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due = to=20 the price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=3Dcardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0877_01C7E972.2576E180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
 
So then, the fastest solution would be straight to the = ExpressCard=20 slot.
 
Yes, but speed isn't everything. It = is more about=20 what audio interface companies are building and what is = compatible/reliable.=20 And for some of us who don't have FW on our PC notebooks, goig to the = cardbus=20 or ExpressCard is a nice solution. Right now, the FW interfaces appear = to be=20 the big kids on the block. Will someone create a kick butt ExpressCard = interface? Not sure. RME would be the next logical choice, since they = have=20 already developed a Cardbus interface...I almost bought = it.
 
Kris
 

Why to limit it here to = firewire=20 800... Do we expect some florishing top of the range audio interfaces = using=20 this type of interface?

Raul.

2007/8/28, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
Cool,=20 David. I will try the ExpressCard too. My ThinkPad has both a = cardbus
and=20 ExpressCard slot. I didn't know they had FW adaptors for those=20 yet?
Amazing.

I too had problems with a Cardbus/FW adpator = I=20 bought several months ago, to
try out a FW audio interface. I = had a IRQ=20 conflict. However, someone else on
this list here had success = with=20 another cardbus/FW adpator made by
Adaptec...so, I bought that = yesterday=20 and will try it with my ThinkPad once
I get the RME FW400. But = I'd love=20 to use a new ExpressCard adaptor.

Kris

----- Original = Message=20 -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: RE:=20 pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire


I've just had an experience = that may=20 point to the direction of things to
come.

Two=20 observations/hypotheses:

1 - the demise of PCMCIA
2 - poor = mainstream acceptance of Firewire

I just got an MOTU = UltraLite (audio=20 digital interface) that didn't work
with the Firewire in the = laptop,=20 perhaps either because it didn't like
the 4-pin format (needs = 6-pin), but=20 also because MOTU requires either
the TI or the Lucent 1394 = chipset, and=20 the laptop used a Ricoh 1394
chipset.

I decided to get a = PCMCIA=20 Firewire card, and found out that, to my
surprise, my (also new) = laptop=20 didn't have a PCMCIA slot.  It has an
ExpressCard slot, = which=20 is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA.  (I also
have to = buy a=20 new wireless data card.)

So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire = card=20 that has both 6-pin and 9-pin
800/400 1394 (http://ww= w.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=3DNN-EC2812-S1=20 ).

Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the = side of my=20 laptop, I
have been EXTREMELY happy with it.  ALL of my = latency=20 problems have
disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single = core=20 laptop with USB2
- Tascam 428).

In addition to the = conspicuous=20 deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's
curious that a $4000 Dell = multimedia=20 laptop
(=20 = http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c=3D=
us&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs&cs=3D19)=20 - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin = 1394
port.

Dave=20 Huffman


-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent:= =20 Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire

Well, Rainer = sent=20 these figures out as a result of a thread we had = on
this:

5. USB=20 1.x 12Mbps =3D 1.5MBps
4. = FW400      400Mbps=20 =3D  50MBps
3. USB = 2.0      480Mbps=20 =3D  60MBps
2. = FW800      800Mbps=20 =3D 100MBps
1. PCI/PCMCIA    1.1Gbps =3D=20 133MBps

If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will = not get=20 you that
much
more speed. But more importantly, Per or = Andy?
did=20 the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get=20
your
better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements=20 of
mulit-tracking.

Also, it may be the case that audio = companies=20 just haven't invested that

much in cardbus solutions (except = for=20 Indigo and RME, a few others),
so there are performance issues = not=20 related to speed. I've read a few of

them on some audio=20 lists.

Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA = 5.0 or=20 later
(JEIDA
4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced = in 1995)=20 and now we have

ExpressCard.  Interesting article=20 here:
http://en.wikipedia.org= /wiki/ExpressCard

The=20 ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's =

shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth.

Kris
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: Raul Bonell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus = vs.=20 firewire


hi there,

one question.

why if = (relating=20 other talks here before) cardbus is faster = than
firewire,
people still=20 wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to =
the
price=20 when getting the adapter and interface?

i'm suposing here=20 pcmcia=3Dcardbus. am i wrong?

well, not one question at = all...=20 ;-)

thanks in advance,
raul.

--
The Playing = Orchestra:=20 http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.comTPO=20 at myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra



--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.comTPO at=20 myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0877_01C7E972.2576E180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6CF3BFFF; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <088801c7e9a4$a445ba90$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:52:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0885_01C7E972.588F0520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <2rBrAB.A.jOG.H8G1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:52:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0885_01C7E972.588F0520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But certainly enough level. I can plug my electric with passive mag = pickups into my Mackie board and totally red line it by cranking the = trim. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps passive guitar -> line level input =3D not enough gain raul. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0885_01C7E972.588F0520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But certainly enough level. I can plug = my electric=20 with passive mag pickups into my Mackie board and totally red line it by = cranking the trim.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Raul=20 Bonell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 = 12:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire = 800 and=20 Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps

passive guitar -> line level input =3D not enough=20 gain

raul.

--
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Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.comTPO at=20 myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0885_01C7E972.588F0520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:54:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BE633C009; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2BF8@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <9CFD61AD7B59AB4DA218FE0EBF4F50BF20A742@ntxbeus22.exchange.xchg> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Thread-Index: AcfppOKLRJSEXYF7S+aEeuxXARNRww== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 18:54:40.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[E36D2DC0:01C7E9A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Having previously said Lenovos have no Firewire, I must correct myself now that I have delved further. They do have a single 4-pin. I had wondered about the suitability of 4-pin, knowing too little about Firewire. SO, this info is very timely; thanks, David! This points back to Kevin's advice to select the apps (I would add the peripheral capabilities you seek, too), and then find a computer that fits the bill. PCMCIA slots are still available on Lenovo machines, one option. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Huffman, David [mailto:dave@linkify.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire I've just had an experience that may point to the direction of things to come. =20 Two observations/hypotheses: 1 - the demise of PCMCIA 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394 chipset. I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I also have to buy a new wireless data card.) So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=3DNN-EC2812-S1). Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2 - Tascam 428). In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c=3D= us&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs&cs=3D19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin = 1394 port. Dave Huffman -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire Well, Rainer sent these figures out as a result of a thread we had on this: 5. USB 1.x 12Mbps =3D 1.5MBps 4. FW400 400Mbps =3D 50MBps 3. USB 2.0 480Mbps =3D 60MBps 2. FW800 800Mbps =3D 100MBps 1. PCI/PCMCIA 1.1Gbps =3D 133MBps If you are using FW800, then it appears cardbus will not get you that much=20 more speed. But more importantly, Per or Andy? did the math to suggest that all this speed will not necessarily get your=20 better peformance, given the bandwidth requirements of mulit-tracking. Also, it may be the case that audio companies just haven't invested that much in cardbus solutions (except for Indigo and RME, a few others), so there are performance issues not related to speed. I've read a few of them on some audio lists. Finally, PCMCIA evolved to Cardbus (CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA=20 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices, introduced in 1995) and now we have ExpressCard. Interesting article here:=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard The ExpressCard has a maximum throughput of 2.5 Gbit/s, versus CardBus's shared 1066 Mbit/s bandwidth. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire hi there, one question. why if (relating other talks here before) cardbus is faster than firewire,=20 people still wanting to go firewire. do macs have cardbus slots? due to the=20 price when getting the adapter and interface? i'm suposing here pcmcia=3Dcardbus. am i wrong? well, not one question at all... ;-) thanks in advance, raul. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:55:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E648A3C012; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LZi9wLrWZP0tdT8ZE6YAqrsvmJ2Vp8nM2hbgs460s5VJcbi6F6/KHEA+umbSpavpqg0riUC1nnrnB93y7M7qR7KTwjeT2kWZwpl94zIzsqZXamwOSOmYLfuCVVmgZHoe0pOVpA0sutGgmJfYgqRbf79qU3ZoiZ/q27iML4bIxQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G3tlwDo000L9+7qoac3ECWsgFjy2szBv+ou94Ng9ulMrgU9XsMDJpsbpXYfwSDfEJr1Ee5XZieHNaktCtBJUUWYo6wKHUbR1fbPSXVEzrLXu96y2lXkX2sBeE9QsFKapDxv8a7vpalNcW/8X1vGFs6oBqr05Z2is6tI2sl90kBg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <297115DF-8683-40D7-95D5-243EA03D7A8D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:55:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:55:18 +0000 (UTC) On 28 aug 2007, at 20.48, Raul Bonell wrote: > passive guitar -> line level input = not enough gain > > raul. That's right. But since you post these words of wisdom under the topic "RME Firewire..." you should also know that the FW400 and the FW800 has mic amps as well. On the FW400 I have now I use three inputs set to perfectly match the output level of three different instruments - and funnily none of the instruments are exactly line level. The option to fine tune input levels is what I like with the FW400, Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 18:57:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26C753BFA6; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KbKWSU2IlmG+CriSIwmtsBGPiB0hDuazBgMz4kYz/FzcBcgEHYj1v5iFpb9l8wvLEWYhwlxehpG61TAR/PKd+J8k9q9hJ3Hgg5ULBiOhusejaANDesuDHDThSDaKDaUdj2ZD/seJw24wzJXUz9y5Dam77zu88fzppBNokp4v9eY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n4tUftFPKvVvTyBZAlId6OB7Rqv/j9003Rk1PJFoNq/g8Wxo00WY2wcJdNGmmcXw9txqgRqlE+Cb0s1BDNFP18w1GBWMzBP+/zxiME0uqE2xp497W2aIJpXfKtc8cbSX/WOI2/IkvRYAD1P01gJ/2bBW8LDK5m2k0uQLplkezyU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:56:59 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps In-Reply-To: <088801c7e9a4$a445ba90$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52734_7256224.1188327419186" References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <088801c7e9a4$a445ba90$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:57:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52734_7256224.1188327419186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline now join the whole band cranking the pots on their instruments and voil=E1!= .. band without guitar. 2007/8/28, Krispen Hartung : > > But certainly enough level. I can plug my electric with passive mag > pickups into my Mackie board and totally red line it by cranking the trim= . > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Raul Bonell > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps > > passive guitar -> line level input =3D not enough gain > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52734_7256224.1188327419186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline now join the whole band cranking the pots on their instruments and voil=E1!= .. band without guitar.

2007/8/28, = Krispen Hartung <khartung@cable= one.net >:
But certainly enough level. I can plug= my electric=20 with passive mag pickups into my Mackie board and totally red line it by=20 cranking the trim.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 = Raul=20 Bonell
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:= 48=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 = and=20 Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps

passive guitar -> line level input =3D not enough=20 gain

raul.

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_52734_7256224.1188327419186-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:02:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761E53BFB0; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bsAW9Dp3G080BbnYVqKT5tNgzfmNe73dt6hysBajnjt4BD8tu5o37Maih+pk4EloiPsDTAQ7crLY10vK4aXRj91TUXK+Zj4j8wxo12+TRMdSxSmmVjvDjuARayjG5V2txiI9ZA9ha2dQwOF2m0kSarpBWwWesvPCWiuCw1BtdrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kUzIhThtJKEDEzFUtcjfKv1Gu5PXSuq4ra8peyVs0p3Xf+AcEgwtqKlkf/LGPa3j4Ns5qyt6IaLfwHpXwVlcB2Ce7E7pm5uubu2I+Y8ZofG1PUaMI64ZDU9dr84HtJPIz7EziMy9frZrjIqCgSRHKVdKIn/cqSv3HGzAI3dju48= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:02:16 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps In-Reply-To: <297115DF-8683-40D7-95D5-243EA03D7A8D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52846_12127768.1188327736413" References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <297115DF-8683-40D7-95D5-243EA03D7A8D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:02:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52846_12127768.1188327736413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/8/28, Per Boysen : > > On 28 aug 2007, at 20.48, Raul Bonell wrote: > > That's right. But since you post these words of wisdom under the > topic "RME Firewire..." you should also know that the FW400 and the ... sorry, not remembered the theme. FW800 has mic amps as well. On the FW400 I have now I use three > inputs set to perfectly match the output level of three different > instruments - and funnily none of the instruments are exactly line > level. The option to fine tune input levels is what I like with the > FW400, rich sweddish ... i stole you that toy! ;-) Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52846_12127768.1188327736413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

2007/8/28, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 28 aug 2007, at 20.48, Raul Bonell wrote:

That's right. But since you post these words of wisdom under the
topic "RME Firewire..." you should also know that the FW400 and the

... sorry, not remembered the theme.
 

FW800 has mic amps as well. On the FW400 I have now I use three
inputs set to perfectly match the output level of three different
instruments - and funnily none of the instruments are exactly line
level. The option to fine tune input levels is what I like with the
FW400,

rich sweddish ...  i stole you that toy! ;-)
 

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)







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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_52846_12127768.1188327736413-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:20:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF43A3BFC8; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aFE/1JJdrbXczsRlzFZ6alj8VuOes4qTxDqtBtDSqQwsry5Kg1O3xt75r1/rFhbo2e9CsjMg1nWI3UH7GhWD4eli9xuttzZ1vgeXgcy/pWm4VYe8p265JWY/T6BcgCA+MqTDYvkyufVr6c0P3p9ixpPn9hhXLykPN1S9VKsppX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Dpv/JPDcDqYHwii++nH5J+6slvjHyWWcUrwuvlq8EHENiHUO+2g1kPDa5HkEeINE3IflLbneI4Gx4kyqgLnNRYSj8ukqA6KZw4xhfKSLJqwaXKEzzlzFsJFOxuzYLDHK8eI7uH2AnpVhGwVX9fOP0Q9QW0R9dJYch6e8Y4k7/lM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:53:26 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire In-Reply-To: <1F64B77A-BC30-443A-9943-BF9AE60D3670@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52670_15114096.1188327206066" References: <086b01c7e9a3$86399450$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1F64B77A-BC30-443A-9943-BF9AE60D3670@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:20:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52670_15114096.1188327206066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok. thanks per and kristen. so the same thing but, evolved. raul. ------=_Part_52670_15114096.1188327206066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
ok. thanks per and kristen. so the same thing but, evolved.

raul.
------=_Part_52670_15114096.1188327206066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:23:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF183BFD8; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <003301c7e9a8$e77a54c0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20070828151250.49A993BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> <1188318686.46d44dde32776@imp.free.fr> Subject: Re: Behold the new off-topic list : LDOT Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:23:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:23:27 +0000 (UTC) are therefore looping discussions considered off topic [Grin] Cl02 daviD wrote: > I just created a google group named "Looper's Delight Off-Topic" : > > http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ > > It's yours to use, now :) > > And if someone wants to be the admin of this list, just email me and > I'll gladly set you up as the admin/owner... > > > > "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:31:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87BE3BF8A; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:31:45 EDT Subject: Re: pcmcia/cardbus vs. firewire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188329505" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:31:55 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188329505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dell has really went down hill. They seem to concentrate more on looks than quality hardware these days. I have pretty much stopped using them since I went through an identical scenario as you just described via my last laptop purchase from them. In a message dated 8/28/2007 2:26:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave@linkify.com writes: Two observations/hypotheses: 1 - the demise of PCMCIA 2 - poor mainstream acceptance of Firewire I just got an MOTU UltraLite (audio digital interface) that didn't work with the Firewire in the laptop, perhaps either because it didn't like the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), but also because MOTU requires either the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, and the laptop used a Ricoh 1394 chipset. I decided to get a PCMCIA Firewire card, and found out that, to my surprise, my (also new) laptop didn't have a PCMCIA slot. It has an ExpressCard slot, which is not reverse compatible to PCMCIA. (I also have to buy a new wireless data card.) So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pin and 9-pin 800/400 1394 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2812-S1). Except for having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I have been EXTREMELY happy with it. ALL of my latency problems have disappeared (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2 - Tascam 428). In addition to the conspicuous deprecation of a PCMCIA slot, it's curious that a $4000 Dell multimedia laptop (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1710?c= us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19) - with 6 USB ports - only has a single, 4-pin 1394 port. Dave Huffman ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188329505 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dell has really went down hill. They seem to concentrate more on looks=20= than=20 quality hardware these days. I have pretty much stopped using them since I w= ent=20 through an identical scenario as you just described via my last laptop purch= ase=20 from them. 
 
 
In a message dated 8/28/2007 2:26:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 dave@linkify.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Two=20 observations/hypotheses:

1 - the demise of PCMCIA
2 - poor=20 mainstream acceptance of Firewire

I just got an MOTU UltraLite (aud= io=20 digital interface) that didn't work
with the Firewire in the laptop,=20 perhaps either because it didn't like
the 4-pin format (needs 6-pin), b= ut=20 also because MOTU requires either
the TI or the Lucent 1394 chipset, an= d=20 the laptop used a Ricoh 1394
chipset.

I decided to get a PCMCIA=20 Firewire card, and found out that, to my
surprise, my (also new) laptop= =20 didn't have a PCMCIA slot.  It has an
ExpressCard slot, which is n= ot=20 reverse compatible to PCMCIA.  (I also
have to buy a new wireless=20= data=20 card.)

So, I bought an ExpressCard Firewire card that has both 6-pi= n=20 and 9-pin
800/400 1394=20 (http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=3DNN-EC2812-S1).

Except fo= r=20 having a hunk of plastic hanging off the side of my laptop, I
have been= =20 EXTREMELY happy with it.  ALL of my latency problems have
disappea= red=20 (I was using a pretty beefy but single core laptop with USB2
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<= /BODY> -------------------------------1188329505-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:33:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37D6C3BF8C; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DEfYyE4PGWvDmvaOpFsXBZJUNMpScNgqjLc+eY0Y4wTRG71vJdc/xYN8dGZfFQjWOoq96UOZj0pyRh/JMzmkkLw2YAHUD4YVMxP7CSp+pBFBc3F79dyJaYJXcEr8KMOFJWrxd9gvGtMd6429Svz9gUjY3WLF5UtGQLDKhUiHP5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KXKH2WCHdggvSjaE8cNDYtHf34s4kUtAcrcz4IxIdA+6tB+zZ/gZgsuIYcxcc074p6TWCcfAddzck4cDlyzQAAQcVC8KzOPaiCTcCYUyJwC0Jm/iE+Q5548bdcBip9GDYViOLyYpvWItEDKWSPO0u4kd41IfpJ87kaYeWQ8Evnk= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708281233h541b4bd0rb36933ee7b585680@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:33:48 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: (films) In-Reply-To: <2E3CB316-8CA4-4973-8DFA-6F8E3AC97930@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7031_19347255.1188329628929" References: <06c001c7e8fe$a3b93670$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204D604B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2E3CB316-8CA4-4973-8DFA-6F8E3AC97930@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:33:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7031_19347255.1188329628929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bullworth's always good for a laugh . . . Warren's quite the card in that one. -m On 8/28/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > Hands down for me, personally, the greatest film ever made is > Alejandro Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain". > Made in 1971, or so, it is an astounding film, but certainly not one > for just about anybody. > > It is about a quest for spiritual Truth, but NOT in the ways that > many may think it approaches that quest. > > HIGHLY REVcommended! But like I said, it may be just too much ,or > over some heads, for some folks. > I have seen it countless numbers of times and it seems "fresh" to me > every time. Works for me. > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > >>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest > > movies I've ever seen...delightful.<< > > > > hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music..... > > Many great artists can be that way, but I don't go to a film to "see" > the "artist", but only to experience the work that artist is presenting. > Their personalities mean nothing to me, personally for the most part, > although sometimes there CAN be some exceptions, but very rarely. > > I also think that Mr. Greenaway's "Prospero's Books" is a HIGH mark > of cinematic achievement and is a mind blower, > and another film that is HIGHLY REVcommended! Nyman did the music > for this one as well and did an excellent job, IMO. > > -Rev. Fever > > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_7031_19347255.1188329628929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bullworth's always good for a laugh . . . Warren's quite the card in that one.  -m

On 8/28/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
Hands down for me, personally, the greatest film ever made is
Alejandro Jodorowsky's "The Holy Mountain".
Made in 1971, or so, it is an astounding film, but certainly not one
for just about anybody.

It is about a quest for spiritual Truth, but NOT in the ways that
many may think it approaches that quest.

HIGHLY REVcommended!  But like I said, it may be just too much ,or
over some heads, for some folks.
I have seen it countless numbers of times and it seems "fresh" to me
every time. Works for me.

On Aug 28, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote:

>>> "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover"...one of the weirdest
> movies I've ever seen...delightful.<<
>
> hated it. can't bear greenaway. so smug. & that music.....

Many great artists can be that way, but I don't go to a film to "see"
the "artist", but only to experience the work that artist is presenting.
Their personalities mean nothing to me, personally for the most part,
although sometimes there CAN be some exceptions, but very rarely.

I also think that Mr. Greenaway's "Prospero's Books" is a HIGH mark
of cinematic achievement and is a mind blower,
and another film that is HIGHLY REVcommended!   Nyman did the music
for this one as well and did an excellent job, IMO.

-Rev. Fever




--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_7031_19347255.1188329628929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 19:35:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9983BFD4; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 606921951-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.185.8 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAP4V1EZPQrkI/2dsb2JhbACCJKcw Message-ID: <46D47913.7030908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:35:47 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> >> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >> andy butler > > But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency > range? > Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing > the tone that I don't > like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender > Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with > some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then > now we're talking....more like fantasizing. > > Kris ok, more detail needed I guess. there are 2 sorts of line level inputs. The "old style" which probably won't have the gain for a guitar plugged straight in, ...and the more recent designs where the mic and line inputs are served by the same circuitry, where you usually get given plenty of gain in the "line" input, but the signal has to negotiate a pad followed by a cheapish mic pre circuit. Either way, the impedance is going to low compared to a guitar amp, which means some loss of frequency response. A dedicated instrument input will have a high impedance to match that of an electric guitar. Also, you can get a nice high quality one. The high quality gear will give you stuff like "more detail" and "more open sound" but really it's pointless to describe when it's just easier to hear it for yourself. ...but as you want a bit of crunch to the sound a dedicated guitar pre, or indeed the front end of the amp that you have and like would seem to be the way to go. For the record I used a TLA EQ1 valve EQ as DI when I recorded my cd, and switched to an ADA MP1 guitar pre after that to be more mobile. Now I stick with the MP1 (supposedly like the front end of a Mesa Boogie) because I discovered all those nice valve distortions. I like the sounds I get. I find that for looping, an accurate amp/cab sim reduces the available bandwidth to play with, and is somewhat restrictive. (where 'restrictive' is not always a bad thing) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:02:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FB673BECF; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08b501c7e9ae$60e748e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D47913.7030908@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:02:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Andy. I used to use the MP1 (classic) as well. I loved that unit, especially the chorus. that chorus sounded unlike any other chorus I've heard. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >>> >>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>> andy butler >> >> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency >> range? >> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing >> the tone that I don't >> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender >> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then >> now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >> >> Kris > > ok, more detail needed I guess. > > there are 2 sorts of line level inputs. > > The "old style" which probably won't have the gain for a guitar plugged > straight in, > ...and the more recent designs where the mic and line inputs are served by > the same circuitry, > where you usually get given plenty of gain in the "line" input, but the > signal has to negotiate a pad followed by a cheapish mic pre circuit. > > Either way, the impedance is going to low compared to a guitar amp, which > means some loss of frequency response. > > A dedicated instrument input will have a high impedance to match that of > an electric guitar. > Also, you can get a nice high quality one. > The high quality gear will give you stuff like "more detail" and > "more open sound" but really it's pointless to describe when > it's just easier to hear it for yourself. > > ...but as you want a bit of crunch to the sound a dedicated guitar pre, or > indeed the front end of the amp that you have > and like would seem to be the way to go. > > For the record I used a TLA EQ1 valve EQ as DI when I recorded my cd, > and switched to an ADA MP1 guitar pre after that to be more mobile. Now > I stick with the MP1 (supposedly like the front end of a Mesa Boogie) > because I discovered all those nice valve distortions. I like the sounds I > get. > > I find that for looping, an accurate amp/cab sim reduces the available > bandwidth to play with, and is somewhat restrictive. > (where 'restrictive' is not always a bad thing) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:10:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F0C3BFB7; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D48380.2050005@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:20:16 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >And Luca said: >"The electric guitar by itself is basically a piece of wood with a pickup >and strings on it....sounds like total crap when you run it through a >regular line input or mixer board, etc." > > Oh no ! it was Kris saying that. I LOVE electric guitar direct to board, it's the way I play and record since many years. And I totally agree with what you say here: > It doesn't >sound total crap, it just doesn't sound what people come to expect from >electric guitar sound. Same goes if you take a really good drumkit, put it >in a good room and mike it with two or maximum three excellent mikes (no >close-miking, mind you), record that properly and then play that recording >to contemporary pop/rock listeners and ask them whether this is a good drum >sound. > > Rainer > > luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E0D3BFC5; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:39:27 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen to "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and crappy tone in the guitars there. http://myspace.com/lucaformentini I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system. As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all). Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own limits. my best, luca www.unguitar.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > >> >> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >> >> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >> straight into it, >> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >> mismatch. >> >> andy butler > > > But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better > frequency range? > Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing > the tone that I don't > like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender > Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with > some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then > now we're talking....more like fantasizing. > > Kris > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:34:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B0C3BFCC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08cb01c7e9b2$e57be120$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:34:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) I am opening now, but which of the two scearios is depicted by the sound clips. Guitar to audio interface to recorder, or guitar to preamp, to audio interface? That would make a big difference for me. Hey, there is nothing wrong with self promotion. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen to > "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and crappy > tone in the guitars there. > http://myspace.com/lucaformentini > I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled > for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a > very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system. > As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the > sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the > audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all). > > Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own > limits. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> >>> >>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>> >>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >>> straight into it, >>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >>> mismatch. >>> >>> andy butler >> >> >> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency >> range? >> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing >> the tone that I don't >> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender >> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then >> now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:37:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C5D3BFB4; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D489F1.7060705@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:47:45 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> <08cb01c7e9b2$e57be120$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <08cb01c7e9b2$e57be120$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Su Me is guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects. With Mr. Lawson is guitar direct to FF400 to effects. thanks for listening ! my best, luca www.unguitar.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am opening now, but which of the two scearios is depicted by the > sound clips. Guitar to audio interface to recorder, or guitar to > preamp, to audio interface? That would make a big difference for me. > > Hey, there is nothing wrong with self promotion. :) > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to >> listen to "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a >> sterile and crappy tone in the guitars there. >> http://myspace.com/lucaformentini >> I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is >> scheduled for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is >> going to be a very wide assortment of different sounds made with the >> same system. >> As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with >> the sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp >> between the audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at >> all). >> >> Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his >> own limits. >> >> my best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com >> >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >>> >>> >>>> >>>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>>> >>>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >>>> straight into it, >>>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >>>> mismatch. >>>> >>>> andy butler >>> >>> >>> >>> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better >>> frequency range? >>> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, >>> enhancing the tone that I don't >>> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice >>> Fender Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >>> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. >>> then now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >>> >>> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >>> http://www.nod32.it >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 20:40:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5063BFCC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08d401c7e9b3$b64a5110$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> <08cb01c7e9b2$e57be120$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D489F1.7060705@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:40:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'll review with Mr. Lawson. The boogie generates an acceptable tone for me and doesn't count in my objection to direct guitar tone. But I'll compare Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps > Su Me is guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects. > With Mr. Lawson is guitar direct to FF400 to effects. > thanks for listening ! > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I am opening now, but which of the two scearios is depicted by the sound >> clips. Guitar to audio interface to recorder, or guitar to preamp, to >> audio interface? That would make a big difference for me. >> >> Hey, there is nothing wrong with self promotion. :) >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen >>> to "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and >>> crappy tone in the guitars there. >>> http://myspace.com/lucaformentini >>> I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled >>> for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a >>> very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system. >>> As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the >>> sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the >>> audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all). >>> >>> Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own >>> limits. >>> >>> my best, >>> luca >>> www.unguitar.com >>> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>>>> >>>>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >>>>> straight into it, >>>>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >>>>> mismatch. >>>>> >>>>> andy butler >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better >>>> frequency range? >>>> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing >>>> the tone that I don't >>>> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender >>>> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >>>> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then >>>> now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >>>> >>>> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >>>> http://www.nod32.it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2533BFC0; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Kr2P9e9rQQ8ghgqwJXrW0nFkIT10FbIgOU2c0HSdHQMHQXCXGxczIg0u8UnMKVXsr6AiqbWS2JAPrKPtTnQJjxq7+yWqji3aP5nYYkgs2ioKeLoU2mYTkB4nBRC+wswRdOXD8ecnT2oYWqMF7pdZol6FNG5rB7XUlB2jRnuRGts=; X-YMail-OSG: Q5.lCSwVM1mnTvXw8eshJjoE75D1XaB2FGL0M5hbcDbH3nCJKJDE8bP_yduLnuldi4HBET.OxX8aS0w4D8Qzu1n46wPn2VnfaTL7FEad0RxmdWZ51iw- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <988879.17230.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:12:28 +0000 (UTC) I recently saw (and highly recommend) Thomas Reidelsheimer's film 'Touch the Sound', about percussionist Evelyn Glennie. To make this a little bit on-topic, I DID see Fred Frith's DL4 in the film, although there were no explicit shots of switch stompage or anything... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:20:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C133BFC5; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08df01c7e9b9$337e8660$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:20:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8mVIlD.A.irF.GGJ1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:20:06 +0000 (UTC) > Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen to > "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and crappy > tone in the guitars there. > http://myspace.com/lucaformentini Nice clips! Some good effects and textures going on here. "With Mr. Lawson" - guitar direct to FF400 to effects Comments: I think the guitar sounds very good, given what you are doing with the piece, and how you are complimenting what Lawson is doing. However, I could not play a gig with that tone. It is far too thin and transparent. I'd venture to say that the original tone doesn't have enough color (tambre) for my taste, but I can't differentiate it from the effected mix, unfortunately. Again, I like what you have done here, so please don't take my comments the wrong way; it's just not a desireable tone for the music I play and tone I want from my guitar as sound source. So, bravo on the clip. "Sue Me" - guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects Comments: Who is playing what? :) Is this all guitar, or is there bass in there? I can't comment on the guitar part with the sustainer, because it is distorted, and I don't play with much distortion. But the tone is decent, as I would expect from the Boogie. In fact, I'm quite certain if you altered the settings on the Boogie, that you could get a good clean jazz tone that I like. But, again, this test isn't applicable to my original objection of direct guitar tone. I'd consider using the Boogie Formula pre-amp (what Bill Walker is using) now if it weren't a full rack space. The clean guitar in the background (or is that a bass playing high) is good for this song too, but too thin for my taste. Again, not about you, but my own taste. Hey, let's just clear things up. Someone send me a clip of a solid body electric guitar running directly into a mixer board or audio interface, just reveb, and going into a recorder, that is even in the ballpark (approxmiation) of the guitar in these clips, and I'll perk up. This is Lorne Lofkey, one of my favortie guitar players on the planet. He plays a solid body Ibenez guitar. http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3 (All the Things You Are) http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/witchcraft.mp3 (Witchcraft) Fuckin' beautiful! I love Lorne. What a freakin' monster. BTW, I've spoken to Lorne, and he's using a SS amps on these...those old Yamaho Solid State amps...G series or somethig like that. Here is another example: http://www.artofliferecords.com/tedgreene.html (Ted Green, solid body guitar) Cheers, Kris > I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled > for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a > very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system. > As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the > sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the > audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all). > > Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own > limits. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> >>> >>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>> >>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >>> straight into it, >>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >>> mismatch. >>> >>> andy butler >> >> >> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency >> range? >> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing >> the tone that I don't >> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender >> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then >> now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB3DE3BFDA; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sZOjNDPcessMREqnffhJoMKMFRHE7UajLCp2Rv59xTTuHeC71Iri5JJyj73C24AXrzVCLfZK2yKoBL2A7qeQeqhQVq1OC1ep5n3i7L/E0uP9eSlnYpIy7DUq/pvA3NVeE+HLMNHCtUVabtxAVfMOCykCNvgenYQVsL2DxzB1M7k=; X-YMail-OSG: VSrZOfUVM1lxpdR6h2ZViakXXZwglGjR_XEvmxVhR5Gr2HD2GWGLgT3_YeJFsPyXjqC31wrmKF2kpidnR7FS.MKlfFXgNgOH0TvNc205ccBwMpF5S1Y_NCtn5ttIXA-- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <925220.94080.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:23:20 +0000 (UTC) --- Mech wrote: > There's another more recent film with a time/logical > loop theme > that's nagging at the edge of my conciousness, but I > can't bring it up right now. 'Memento', maybe? I saw it a while ago, but don't have any distinct memory of the plot. I do have the feeling that there's some irony in that, but can't say exactly why. ;) Actually, I've been meaning to post about this one for a while now: of any film I've ever seen, the one with the best loop-analogue has to be a short called "In the Club of the Laid-Off" by Czech animator Jiri Barta. In this film, a bunch of discarded mannequins come to life each day, and repeat pretty much the same routine. However, entropy and impermanence conspire to break things, so each iteration of the loop is subtly different. Very cool. -t- -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:35:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8BF3BF98; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1188336951.46d49537800a1@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:35:51 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) References: <925220.94080.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <925220.94080.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: <-itCM.A.2bG.4UJ1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Memento and Primer are both films that play with time in interesting ways.. :) and while not as quirky as those, Premonition is an interesting take on 'time travel'.. the main character experiences a weeks worth of days out of order... and The Butterfly Effect wasn't bad either.. and Donnie Darko... dang, I almost forgot Groundhog Day.. :) and hey, even The Last Temptation of Christ... :) peace -cpr Quoting Tim Nelson : > > --- Mech wrote: > > > There's another more recent film with a time/logical > > loop theme > > that's nagging at the edge of my conciousness, but I > > can't bring it up right now. > > 'Memento', maybe? I saw it a while ago, but don't have > any distinct memory of the plot. I do have the feeling > that there's some irony in that, but can't say exactly > why. ;) > > Actually, I've been meaning to post about this one for > a while now: of any film I've ever seen, the one with > the best loop-analogue has to be a short called "In > the Club of the Laid-Off" by Czech animator Jiri > Barta. In this film, a bunch of discarded mannequins > come to life each day, and repeat pretty much the same > routine. However, entropy and impermanence conspire to > break things, so each iteration of the loop is subtly > different. Very cool. > > -t- > > -t- > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel > and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 21:44:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588113BF95; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46D499A7.4090602@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:54:47 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> <08df01c7e9b9$337e8660$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <08df01c7e9b9$337e8660$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi again Kris, > "Su Me" - guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects > > Comments: Who is playing what? :) Is this all guitar, or is there > bass in there? > I can't comment on the guitar part with the sustainer, because it is > distorted, and > I don't play with much distortion. But the tone is decent, as I would > expect from > the Boogie. This is one loop plus one track in real time, just guitar. The "solo" is an ebow. Ok Kris, I think the tone you are after is maybe the easiest to get when going direct. You want a jazzy clean which is commonly related to the Roland Jc120, a very nice solid state amp. The difficult thing to get when going direct is to get a crisp, open and detailed while not harsh tone. Getting a dark and thick tone is really easy. Sorry to say this but the solution is easier than you maybe want. My best, luca www.unguitar.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:09:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6F83BF0F; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:09:36 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c7e9c0$262610d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <2852E966-3398-4825-B60C-3B7A2BC2942D@bernhardwagner.net> Thread-Index: AcfpnT8IWngAhmzLTDyumJSWnoK/RwAItgLg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Me too! -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD = [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=3D-@bernhardwagner.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:58 AM To: Loopers Subject: OT: unsubscribe I'll be unsubscribing from LD for a while. Among other things, I'll =20 be pondering whether "OT" is an acronym for "On Topic" or "Off Topic". Feel free to contact me "OL" (OFF list), just make sure to be "OT". =20 Wait... make that "OT". Loop on! Bernhard http://bernhardwagner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:11:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45DAD3BF6A; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08e801c7e9c0$548c6c30$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> <08df01c7e9b9$337e8660$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:11:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Now, here is my tone example (not a song, just me looping the A section of "Black Orpheus"and soloing over the top): - Guitar running directly into my ThinkPad T60p sound card (just the stock soundcard and ASIO for All driver), no preamp - Sound card into Max/MSP patch - MAX/MSP patch with only the free Boogex amp VST and my max reverb patch (no other effects or patches) And to add some comedy to the clip, I recorded this with my mini guitar, a 1/2 size Epi "Roadie" solid body electric, with a '57 reissue humbucker (from my ES-335), shown here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/epi.jpg Here is the clip, complete with clams and blemishes: http://www.box.net/shared/static/8ougz31hkk.mp3 Now, I actually think this tone is halfway decent, given the clean and warm jazz tone I after, and given that I'm not even using a real amp, just a VST, and using no preamp or "botique" external audio interface. My next test will be when I get my Fireface 400. If I see a major improvement, I may be good to go. We'll see. Bottom line, for guys wanting to get a traditional jazz tone, I think there is hope for doing that withh the laptop and decent audio intereface....and a mini solid body electric to boot! :) Imagine that. I could do a standards jazz gig with a mini guitar...seems ridiculous, but doable. I might get a lot of laughs. Kris ----- Original Message ----- >> Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen to >> "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and crappy >> tone in the guitars there. >> http://myspace.com/lucaformentini > > Nice clips! Some good effects and textures going on here. > > "With Mr. Lawson" - guitar direct to FF400 to effects > > Comments: I think the guitar sounds very good, given what you are doing > with the piece, and > how you are complimenting what Lawson is doing. However, I could not play > a gig with > that tone. It is far too thin and transparent. I'd venture to say that the > original tone doesn't > have enough color (tambre) for my taste, but I can't differentiate it from > the effected mix, > unfortunately. Again, I like what you have done here, so please don't take > my comments > the wrong way; it's just not a desireable tone for the music I play and > tone I want from my > guitar as sound source. So, bravo on the clip. > > "Sue Me" - guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects > > Comments: Who is playing what? :) Is this all guitar, or is there bass in > there? > I can't comment on the guitar part with the sustainer, because it is > distorted, and > I don't play with much distortion. But the tone is decent, as I would > expect from > the Boogie. In fact, I'm quite certain if you altered the settings on the > Boogie, that > you could get a good clean jazz tone that I like. But, again, this test > isn't applicable > to my original objection of direct guitar tone. I'd consider using the > Boogie Formula > pre-amp (what Bill Walker is using) now if it weren't a full rack space. > The clean > guitar in the background (or is that a bass playing high) is good for this > song too, but > too thin for my taste. Again, not about you, but my own taste. > > Hey, let's just clear things up. Someone send me a clip of a solid body > electric guitar running > directly into a mixer board or audio interface, just reveb, and going into > a recorder, that is > even in the ballpark (approxmiation) of the guitar in these clips, and > I'll perk up. > > This is Lorne Lofkey, one of my favortie guitar players on the planet. He > plays a solid body Ibenez guitar. > > http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3 (All the Things You Are) > http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/witchcraft.mp3 (Witchcraft) > > Fuckin' beautiful! I love Lorne. What a freakin' monster. BTW, I've spoken > to Lorne, and he's using > a SS amps on these...those old Yamaho Solid State amps...G series or > somethig like that. > > Here is another example: > > http://www.artofliferecords.com/tedgreene.html (Ted Green, solid body > guitar) > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > >> I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled >> for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a >> very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system. >> As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the >> sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the >> audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all). >> >> Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own >> limits. >> >> my best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com >> >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >>> >>> >>>> >>>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input. >>>> >>>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged >>>> straight into it, >>>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance >>>> mismatch. >>>> >>>> andy butler >>> >>> >>> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better frequency >>> range? >>> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing >>> the tone that I don't >>> like to begin with. :) Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender >>> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with >>> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then >>> now we're talking....more like fantasizing. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Informazione NOD32 2489 (20070828) __________ >>> >>> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >>> http://www.nod32.it >>> >>> >>> >> > From user1@88184-app1.server2.n49.com Tue Aug 28 22:13:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:13:58 UTC Received: from 88184-app1.server2.n49.com (88184-app1.server2.n49.com [69.20.125.70]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543353BEFB for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 88184-app1.server2.n49.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 83D167A920F; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:05 -0400 (EDT) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You've received A Hallmark E-Card! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 22:17:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3883BF7A; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08f301c7e9c1$2a253570$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7e964$da54cb20$1001a8c0@succubus> <077a01c7e97b$361c6bf0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D45839.8060009@tiscali.co.uk> <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D487FF.9090307@unguitar.com> <08df01c7e9b9$337e8660$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46D499A7.4090602@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:17:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:17:06 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- >> Ok Kris, I think the tone you are after is maybe the easiest to get when >> going > direct. You want a jazzy clean which is commonly related to the Roland > Jc120, a very nice solid state amp. Yup...see my last response with my own clip. I'm way ahead of you, just a picky SOB. Of course, I dislike the Roland JC-120. I used to use one...the tone may be clean, but it is sterile and rigid in my opinion. I prefer something like an old Fender blackface or Deluxe, 1X12 combo, but with a higher wattage speaker (like a JBL or EV), and some tubes more condisive to darker, fuller tone. > The difficult thing to get when going direct is to get a crisp, open and > detailed while not harsh tone. Agreed. > Getting a dark and thick tone is really easy. > Sorry to say this but the solution is easier than you maybe want. No apologies necessary. Again, I've been doing tests like this for some time now, trying to get a good jazz tone on my laptop. The sound clip I sent is my best shot. Adding the FW400 may just satisfy me, as I'll be giving a cleaner and higher quality input to the Booogex amp sim. Kris From user1@88184-app1.server2.n49.com Tue Aug 28 22:37:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 88184-app1.server2.n49.com (88184-app1.server2.n49.com [69.20.125.70]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8A93BEF0 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 88184-app1.server2.n49.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 0FB298323F0; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:34:46 -0400 (EDT) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You've received A Hallmark E-Card! From: hallmark.com Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20070828203446.0FB298323F0@88184-app1.server2.n49.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:38:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6A23BF08; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x8HedcGUgvEkOsKs9NRiyj336w/EKG5LGj5CM6cZEFD9OeMfnKPljyXARGgSjtuqU6I+MtCQqzYBk425xgaE67HpeYv6wDLw+qSEVV/6m71tmdFt46f4SXiYTnN4elzUh0V0woFC4mTLLd7vX+iaPYR/o4gycyrYKuEicAFjcrM=; X-YMail-OSG: MrpbL30VM1n2X6rRcV1zvSaVm090vkiH91Zd1qsD0mrHRkjs8c8Ttz3JOxnJ5jQyviaK8CkXOyGlGtZODY6MU.joEsyW_ktVWL8xpl3WZEb_8BZi0ugPgmRGPWgibg-- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: OT fvorite film To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <907381.70737.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, "The Wizard of Speed and Time" if you can find it, lampoons the movie industry, shows how "stop action with pixelation" is done, and is downfight funny. Once you see it, you'll want to watch it again and again just to catch all the little details. Sort of like picking all the buried parts out of rundgren's muzik between 73 and 75. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 28 23:45:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3288F3BF55; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FqtUYGXtr/xMuKnOx/UBtQsVtTGMgVhsG0bGmzyWcSJF0Q+mAl71O9t/HnkCeXySCUuOIs6PdZMdkx7z1GP+vmo3hJkJzCkA/ttceUEdqJ0P8Bb506IORt77fxkdUcza4dGa9yD8ipYBVx4dCXzB0DPJ2i6TgqFBaAZgWslOsLo=; X-YMail-OSG: 4jTGBq8VM1mr94BapIMqbgU4EpImt01h5MEPI60EcodJ7H6qPvHjD_7EVEkDCsm4YDOdkjNWqqr3XRPWk_f1J7y1DxEpWyV8QP2QKAHCmA8fZ_WYmtgxm0cKDoIl1g-- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: firewire 800 & preamps To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <609673.42160.qm@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0CGxQB.A.niE._NL1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I have played directly into the mixer for 28 years, using rackmount roland reverbs and Ibanez rack delays, along with stompboxes, Paia Stack-in-a-box, Boss GT-3, etc. I have NEVER been able to get my tone from an amp. Then, i got a couple amps out of pawn for a freind. One was a Peavey Ecoustic 112. WOW! all of a sudden my sound was RIGHT THERE! COMING OUT OF AN AMP!!! I'm sold. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 00:20:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70683BED9; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DaMD39C+AX+C8B+kuCGQmvhze0oAdB/pPhFU7tzzTK4WJpEgGzTauUgXhEf0saFRKYuo28jMRre6/qbfEtXj0ew/D6DtuuY9OGdcvZm9rJSuvz+c1/DGztGIu7R9tTQdVZ8VsD1OBd4P0C5AcyrSqGVYuQEZ4oXmgqELf5FkMGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j2XTwXP2dZ27j/lIOWalAg9+yyMjaD+5sT34L/hFiQ4kq3ClMgaCXkkqqCFTPlXQQims//ujU9ZqcKTApIINFpEFAispNwGXFfURUDAh4nVgcr/IQYisOiPVrKyM8jh6MVkd0ZUdCKlHM4kPu9+FcDgFJFj/WfQRMEt7wZCKfI0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0708281720j5dd79360ya821b3dffad8977b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:20:26 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Promotion and sympathetic reviews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Well I hope this is on topic! I have a new CD out. Cohort records is financing this release, so I feel an obligation to give it support and make it worth their while. It's been a while since I've tried to promote my music--I used to send my stuff to Op, if that gives you some idea. It's my magnum opus of looping titled "More of the Same" and originally released about 10 years ago. While I used the Echoplex digital pro, it's more akin to LaMonte Young than Andre LaFosse. It starts as a slowly evolving arc, first just looping the soft sounds of the open guitar strings (It was composed for a performance at the music gallery in Toronto, and I liked the idea of just standing there for a minute holding my guitar and letting the sounds that result from minute movements build up in a loop). It builds into a wall of guitar noise built around (somewhat) bluesy guitar soloing. There's an algorithmic percussion accompaniment I wrote in max supporting the guitar, as well as some interludes of looped violin scraping and a algorithmically deconstructed hip-hop loop that also used max. Obviously not a recipe for financial success : ) Never-the-less, I'm quite proud of it and feel it's the best work I've done. This new release has some new recent material on a "bonus" cd using mobius and elottronix xl. If that sounds like something you'd want to listen to and you have a forum where you'd be interested in reviewing this release or suggestions for sympathetic reviewers I'd be very interested. Thanks! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 02:16:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FFD53BEEE; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KFC48xaTzEDv8cX/HVV3iq4zs/ym/00pQhF3lfp9rv6KO7lYSPEYg7dIMzrdi1lg; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Michael Peters'" , "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: RE: OT Film (No standards: crap.) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:18:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfp3luDcs1CT1j/SBqe++CsupLMSgAA+X1Q In-Reply-To: <00fe01c7e988$ef5d9460$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc7302a521ea54465d2854f77689ee5d18350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.61.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:16:45 +0000 (UTC) I thought that "Crash" was quite a moving and thought-provoking film that was released in 2005. AND, it has the added benefit of a soundtrack recorded by Mark Isham. Surely, there must be some looping going on there... As excerpted from his comments on Amazon: Many composers start off their careers in "the bedroom" so to speak; in a small room, with their cherished equipment, building their music piece by piece, single handedly. For this score I returned to "the bedroom" and forced myself to find new and refreshing solutions to the challenge of writing this music. I am very proud of this score and sincerely hope that you, the audience, find it as engaging to listen to as I did to compose, and that through this album you can appreciate the beauty of this wonderfully crafted film. -- Mark Isham Hmmmm, was Mark a "bedroom looper" as we all were (or some of us still are)?? I've always enjoyed his music... Peace, not Crap! Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 02:35:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF793BF50; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <098a01c7e9e5$31be34c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0708281720j5dd79360ya821b3dffad8977b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Promotion and sympathetic reviews Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5mRV-D.A.kTD.VtN1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Art, how do we access the CD or clips? I am very interested in your max percussion patch. I plan to build one myself that creates random percussion textures, using the max's synth objects. In fact, I'd like to build it so that it reacts to the guitar, based on number of notes played in a period of time. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Well I hope this is on topic! > > I have a new CD out. Cohort records is financing this release, so I > feel an obligation to give it support and make it worth their while. > It's been a while since I've tried to promote my music--I used to send > my stuff to Op, if that gives you some idea. > > It's my magnum opus of looping titled "More of the Same" and > originally released about 10 years ago. While I used the Echoplex > digital pro, it's more akin to LaMonte Young than Andre LaFosse. It > starts as a slowly evolving arc, first just looping the soft sounds of > the open guitar strings (It was composed for a performance at the > music gallery in Toronto, and I liked the idea of just standing there > for a minute holding my guitar and letting the sounds that result from > minute movements build up in a loop). It builds into a wall of guitar > noise built around (somewhat) bluesy guitar soloing. There's an > algorithmic percussion accompaniment I wrote in max supporting the > guitar, as well as some interludes of looped violin scraping and a > algorithmically deconstructed hip-hop loop that also used max. > Obviously not a recipe for financial success : ) Never-the-less, I'm > quite proud of it and feel it's the best work I've done. > > This new release has some new recent material on a "bonus" cd using > mobius and elottronix xl. If that sounds like something you'd want to > listen to and you have a forum where you'd be interested in reviewing > this release or suggestions for sympathetic reviewers I'd be very > interested. Thanks! > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 03:15:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21B6E3BEDF; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <588ce11d0708281720j5dd79360ya821b3dffad8977b@mail.gmail.com> <098a01c7e9e5$31be34c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <098a01c7e9e5$31be34c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Promotion and sympathetic reviews Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <005801c7e9ea$e0d67a80$a2836f80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfp5lmybkAOEthyRK2FXTSVrNnZhgABH1ZA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De6bf01fe00004921.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <2-lFIB.A.dTE.fTO1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:15:44 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Kris, sounds very interesting! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Promotion and sympathetic reviews Art, how do we access the CD or clips? I am very interested in your max percussion patch. I plan to build one myself that creates random percussion textures, using the max's synth objects. In fact, I'd like to build it so that it reacts to the guitar, based on number of notes played in a period of time. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Well I hope this is on topic! > > I have a new CD out. Cohort records is financing this release, so I > feel an obligation to give it support and make it worth their while. > It's been a while since I've tried to promote my music--I used to send > my stuff to Op, if that gives you some idea. > > It's my magnum opus of looping titled "More of the Same" and > originally released about 10 years ago. While I used the Echoplex > digital pro, it's more akin to LaMonte Young than Andre LaFosse. It > starts as a slowly evolving arc, first just looping the soft sounds of > the open guitar strings (It was composed for a performance at the > music gallery in Toronto, and I liked the idea of just standing there > for a minute holding my guitar and letting the sounds that result from > minute movements build up in a loop). It builds into a wall of guitar > noise built around (somewhat) bluesy guitar soloing. There's an > algorithmic percussion accompaniment I wrote in max supporting the > guitar, as well as some interludes of looped violin scraping and a > algorithmically deconstructed hip-hop loop that also used max. > Obviously not a recipe for financial success : ) Never-the-less, I'm > quite proud of it and feel it's the best work I've done. > > This new release has some new recent material on a "bonus" cd using > mobius and elottronix xl. If that sounds like something you'd want to > listen to and you have a forum where you'd be interested in reviewing > this release or suggestions for sympathetic reviewers I'd be very > interested. Thanks! > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > From security@paypaI.com Wed Aug 29 03:21:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3838 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:21:50 UTC Received: from mail.saratogaweb.net (mail.saratogaweb.net [216.184.69.143]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50F63BF39 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.kingsportchamber.org [66.168.86.125] by mail.saratogaweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.20) id A98B0558; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:02:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200708281902658.SM03660@mail.kingsportchamber.org> Received: from User ([144.167.91.4]) by mail.kingsportchamber.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:40:46 -0400 From: "security@paypaI.com" Subject: PayPal - Please Restore Your Account Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 21:40:46.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[178DC940:01C7E9BC] To: undisclosed-recipients:; PayPal
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10476_1188358035_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 07:18:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72F03BF34; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--388734368 From: David Steinberg Subject: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:17:43 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:18:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--388734368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello everyone, As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here : http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk about whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and people who just want info about looping will be delighted here :) If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do as far as this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to him/her. I just created it so that it'd be easier for people to switch to someting else... The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few days ago, that's why I insist ;) Thanks, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-1--388734368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello = everyone,

As = I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called = "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here :

If people from the LD list = subscribe to this other list to talk about whatever they want, the = result will be the same for them and people who just want info about = looping will be delighted here :)

If someone wants to be = admin (even though there's not much to do as far as this is concerned) = I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to him/her. I just created it so = that it'd be easier for people to switch to someting = else...=A0

The = reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few days = ago, that's why I insist ;)



"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"


= --Apple-Mail-1--388734368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 10:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A4B3BF26; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:38:47 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c7ea28$c8037650$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfpjcProB+tL8ZLTVi8FRZHuW+j4gAAd7KwACY39rA= In-Reply-To: <002401c7e990$04bd5d70$0e381850$@com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJagGC3Sb8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <3zD3PC.A.aOG.hyU1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:38:26 +0000 (UTC) I hit the FOH poweramps with the symmetrical +4dBu output. This is my preferred approach. These outputs are a) +4dBu, b) line-signal impedance, c) symmetrical, so there is no need for a DI or anything else. Rainer > Curious, are folks going directly from interfaces, like the > RME, directly out to amps, monitors, or house PA mixers? (or > all of the above)? No DI > involved? From nobody@ns1.birmandreis.com Wed Aug 29 10:41:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 16497 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:41:07 UTC Received: from ns1.birmandreis.com (mail.birmandreis.com [206.123.44.146]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23EE3BF4A for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns1.birmandreis.com (ns1.birmandreis.com [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by ns1.birmandreis.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7T5mwDj011364 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:48:58 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns1.birmandreis.com (8.12.11/8.13.8/Submit) id l7T5mwUM011363; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:48:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:48:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200708290548.l7T5mwUM011363@ns1.birmandreis.com> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: *******ONLINE*******JOB********VACANCY*******FOR ******YOU From: BILL NELSON Reply-To: bill.nelson07@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WE HAVE A JOB OFFER AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR INITIAL REQUESTING THE JOB SEARCH DIRECTORY IS FOR USA/CANADA ONLY.WE BASED IN UK.WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING ORDERS FROM NORTHERN AMERICA, WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROCESS COMPLETELY SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE A PAYMENT RECEIVING PERSONNEL IN THESE AREAS.WE HAVE DECIDED TO RECRUIT PAYMENT OFFICERS ONLINE HENCE WE WILL BE NEEDING A REPRESENTATIVE TO PROCESS OUR PAYMENTS IN THESE AREAS.if interested get back with this information FULL NAME AND ADDRESS STATE,CITY,ZIPCODE,PHONE NUMBER. 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BILL NELSON From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 11:17:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9CD13BF4C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:17:59 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c7ea2e$41fe5290$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfpoHuJ+2abtkhhSUS2/qin5BMqxAAiGpew In-Reply-To: <084901c7e9a0$7a83ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJagGC3Sb8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:17:38 +0000 (UTC) [about plugging a passive guitar into a mixer line input] > But what will be the real audible result to the output? > Better frequency range? > Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, > enhancing the tone that I don't like to begin with. :) A magnetic pickup is essentially an inductance with complex impedance which functions as a current source. Then, you usually have a combination of wanted Rs and Cs (for level and high-end rolloff), and then the parasitic effects of your guitar cable before hitting your input which can be approximated as having a strictly real impedance of ~200Ohm (or whatever is specified). Use Berkeley SPICE and do some AC and transient runs to see what happens here...;) The most pronounced effect is usually a high-frequency roll-off. Then there's added noise of different coulors and some extremely low-pronounced effects of non-linearity. > Now > if that little DI is adding a nice Fender Tweed or Boogie > tube tone, with some subtle breakup, a variable response to > how hard I pick, etc. then now we're talking....more like fantasizing. For your quest for perfect guitar tone, I'd say you should focus on in-computer processing more than on the ins and outs. A typical Hi-Z in (or the variant with an active DI into a micpre) should suffice in all cases. But you should try to work in your signal processing environment of choice (MAX) with lots of parametric EQs pre and post nonlinear stages. For any nonlinear stage (read: tube, staturator, diode etc.), the law that the order of processing stages is irrelevant does not count. That means that it always make sense to have detailed EQ before and after each such stage. Just some more .02 to help you in your quest for the best guitar tone. Speaking about amp sims (computer-based and outboard). In all the time, I've found two sounds which I really liked: 1st, the Line6 ClassA algorithm of the PodXT series for this almost clean sound which starts to crack up when you pick really hard. 2nd, the Roland VBass's Metal Zone distortion pedal algorithm (with pre EQ added) into the Metal Stack amp model (with both pre and post EQ). This is great for that range between slightly heavy up to fully cranked where the saturation of the distortion pedal and of the amp interact very nicely with each other. In my laptop rig, I use the v1 Amplitube, simply because it gives me lots of effects and a few different sounds with minimum CPU load. The fact that in addition to the preamp's EQ section of choice you also have a parametric outboard-style EQ really helps in tone shaping. Here, I tend to use the British Crunch pre with the Tube EQ, the EQ set to something like 5 8 1 3 for low/mid/hi/presence. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:27:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9233BF46; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c7ea2e$41fe5290$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c7ea2e$41fe5290$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:26:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Passive pickup loading effects (was RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b8aee427c2788ed7c67dac2076f15d94510ab3ad090af031350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Running a passive pickup into a low impedance input (a typical mixer line input is 5-10k and the typical Mic input is 1.5k ohms), will result in HF rolloff. I'll try to explain why: A pickup is simply a large coil of wire with a magnetic core - essentially a tuned inductor. The impedance of this coil increases with frequency. "Loading" is determined by the ratio of the source impedance to the input impedance "seen" by the source. The higher the frequency that is produced by the pickup, the higher the source impedance of the pickup is. As you pass the pickup's resonant peak (for a typical humbucker this is around 3.5khz) the actual impedance can be ten or even hundreds of times the value of the DC resistance of the coil. The output impedance of the pickup increases with frequency. The input impedance of the mixer (or amp) is non-reactive and does not change with frequency. This means that the relative loading increases with frequency, so as the frequency increases the output drops in level, hence the perceived high frequency rolloff. If you reduce the level using the guitar's built in volume control (which is a 250k or a 500k ohm pot), you will add some series resistance to the output of the pickup and essentially 'unload' the pickup, causing a noticable restoration of the high frequency response. I have several old Lap Steel guitars which intentionally use this loading effect, bit in an opposite manner: The volume pots are wired backwards so that the wiper of the pot is connected to the pickup 'hot'. As you turn the pot counterclockwise, the pickup is progressively shorted to ground, and therefore sees a lower impedance and becomes more and more loaded. This creates a mellowing effect on the tone. and gives some really beautiful "swell" effects where the tone brightens as the volume increases. You could produce the same effect by using a passive volume pedal immediately following the giutar output, but inserted so that the guitar is connected to the volume pedal's "output" jack and the pathe to the amplifier is connected to the volume pedal's "input" jack. -CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 14:45:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87D83BF55; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RZTouJjEARsKmPK7LkYjTthWAXh3a+IICdTo6/cV5skFZcdNiqzKqzzvW0u6SJjJ9w8Gc9Z78gfbrplvwsuheJODXQEYnHsyt/+P+AeAM9vXaasACtlR4s5O6pBOX1xp4RuOkZYsu209JK3p5VjSExr4FMbqr+XBCd4gsSAq/Vs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LN8H7IMNQqAmj9+d+X68Bp6LO5aKvwgyehKPvjejfWrjhKFAi/NquutYBUKJFf2+tVrLWCqnyarFsH6HmKqaSQWzcxpGoyBEfz0XkXEGllTIQapIzKYZfoK+hRjc+3k+mQm3CU0kYBKprqpN4g3c0/K9POeXycuimSTwHjVi5Uo= Message-ID: <15d0840708290745l61b893dbra0d0e748ea10d2b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:45:49 -0400 From: "Matthew Johnson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: im about to start a war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13730_16418813.1188398749181" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:45:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13730_16418813.1188398749181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, i unsubscribed, but Im back to drain knowledge. I am a new Live user. Ive used Cubase SE3 in the past, but Im looking to upgrade. Im looking for a new laptop, because my old system cannot support Live. It really comes down to.....dun dun dun....MAC vs. PC! I am not operating at a high level at his point, and I will never be operating at the level of many of you on this site. Im primarily a guitarist. I want to 1) be able to record my band and have 6 mics recording simultaneously 2) use my laptop in a live setting to loop and pull up samples 3) create music at home After my initial round of research, I am looking at 2.2 ghz intel core 2 2 GB of RAM with the possibility of upgrading later atleast 120 GB of RAM a decent video card This is the specs for a macbook Pro. After an extended warranty and support pack, I can get a PC for almost $500 cheaper than a MAC. I dont want to make an expensive decision I will regret. I realize Im lobbing a bit of a grenade, but more my purposes, does it really make sense to get the MAC? 90% of the shows I go to, its a MAC on stage. Is this is the work of lemmings, hipsters and marketers, or is it really worth it? -- Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_13730_16418813.1188398749181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, i unsubscribed, but Im back to drain knowledge.

I am a new Live user. Ive used Cubase SE3 in the past, but Im looking to upgrade. Im looking for a new laptop, because my old system cannot support Live. It really comes down to.....dun dun dun....MAC vs. PC!

I am not operating at a high level at his point, and I will never be operating at the level of many of you on this site. Im primarily a guitarist.
I want to
1) be able to record my band and have 6 mics recording simultaneously
2) use my laptop in a live setting to loop and pull up samples
3) create music at home

After my initial round of research, I am looking at
2.2 ghz intel core 2
2 GB of RAM with the possibility of upgrading later
atleast 120 GB of RAM
a decent video card

This is the specs for a macbook Pro. After an extended warranty and support pack, I can get a PC for almost $500 cheaper than a MAC. I dont want to make an expensive decision I will regret. I realize Im lobbing a bit of a grenade, but more my purposes, does it really make sense to get the MAC? 90% of the shows I go to, its a MAC on stage. Is this is the work of lemmings, hipsters and marketers, or is it really worth it?
--
Matt H. Johnson ------=_Part_13730_16418813.1188398749181-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:04:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ADC93BF4C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:04:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09AA_01C7EA1B.A278A2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:04:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09AA_01C7EA1B.A278A2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm willing to try it out, but have we agreed to the criteria for what = counts as an OT topic? I wouldn't want to loose any valuable discussion = archived on LD, because we pushed it to another list. This concerns = me...the whole idea of segregating topics concerns me. I am still a = proponent of letting the list regulate itself. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello everyone, As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called = "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here : http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk about = whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and people who = just want info about looping will be delighted here :) If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do as = far as this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to = him/her. I just created it so that it'd be easier for people to switch = to someting else...=20 The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few = days ago, that's why I insist ;) Thanks, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" ------=_NextPart_000_09AA_01C7EA1B.A278A2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm willing to try it out, but have we = agreed to=20 the criteria for what counts as an OT topic?  I wouldn't want to = loose any=20 valuable discussion archived on LD, because we pushed it to another = list. This=20 concerns me...the whole idea of segregating topics concerns me. I am = still a=20 proponent of letting the list regulate itself.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Hello everyone,

As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list = called=20 "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here :
http:/= /groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/

If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk = about=20 whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and people = who just=20 want info about looping will be delighted here :)

If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do = as far=20 as this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to = him/her. I just=20 created it so that it'd be easier for people to switch to someting=20 else... 

The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a = few days=20 ago, that's why I insist ;)

Thanks,
</daviD>

"Simulating the true styles and making carefully.
 Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !"

------=_NextPart_000_09AA_01C7EA1B.A278A2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:17:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F35733BF58; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bpT8WCWNHBtfUTtaAQCqK7f8O/BmqdBGWls6ov2b/bgqSYn3U53uYLCEgSW4ZuRJszC9bZD8PPKzs9okZGqSJIyQewmY/SBtejaeA4TIVNyUiVd3m3RoTLNA9EfAvS6zr32WvxxEBOJQubfBRxrbLF/iMP2fs6FjznMUkB/D2EA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qzmkbr85DUumUNDZaDKTxZjwz1n9WSwpxFqBIWc9qd17P9tUNHSxOzEtDTYNp+q9SEWocdope8Vx0VOfDmXNm1gYcxFAnaR5vIFC1MB6/lswsXm6UQFerYfpVuLV6xU3XLvtmDIsMH9iz8/yqavl+CPffWqY9JgorSA/ztHQD/M= Message-ID: <4759e5740708290817p415b8c02j3aa841ee84649e65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:17:28 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1162_829689.1188400648227" References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:17:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1162_829689.1188400648227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline me 2 On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I'm willing to try it out, but have we agreed to the criteria for what > counts as an OT topic? I wouldn't want to loose any valuable discussion > archived on LD, because we pushed it to another list. This concerns me...the > whole idea of segregating topics concerns me. I am still a proponent of > letting the list regulate itself. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Hello everyone, > > As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called > "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here : > http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ > > If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk about > whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and people who just > want info about looping will be delighted here :) > > If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do as far as > this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to him/her. I just > created it so that it'd be easier for people to switch to someting else... > > The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few days > ago, that's why I insist ;) > > Thanks, > > > "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1162_829689.1188400648227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline me 2

On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
I'm willing to try it out, but have we agreed to the criteria for what counts as an OT topic?  I wouldn't want to loose any valuable discussion archived on LD, because we pushed it to another list. This concerns me...the whole idea of segregating topics concerns me. I am still a proponent of letting the list regulate itself.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Hello everyone,

As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here :

If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk about whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and people who just want info about looping will be delighted here :)

If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do as far as this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to him/her. I just created it so that it'd be easier for people to switch to someting else... 

The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few days ago, that's why I insist ;)

Thanks,
</daviD>

"Simulating the true styles and making carefully.
 Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !"





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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1162_829689.1188400648227-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:33:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58D4D3BF55; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--359041705 Message-Id: <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:32:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:33:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--359041705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am OK with a separate list, but I joined and cannot see how I will know when new messages come in without going to that web page frequently and looking? I use a separate / non-web email program for my emails. Is there a way to be notified via my email program that there are new messages on the google groups based LDOT list? (OR....?) I really want to avoid having to frequently take even more time to open up my browser and linking to that list without knowing first if there is any new content. TIA But, thanx again to for at least making a positive effort. -Rev. Fever On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm willing to try it out, but have we agreed to the criteria for > what counts as an OT topic? I wouldn't want to loose any valuable > discussion archived on LD, because we pushed it to another list. > This concerns me...the whole idea of segregating topics concerns > me. I am still a proponent of letting the list regulate itself. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Hello everyone, > > As I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called > "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here : > http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic/ > > If people from the LD list subscribe to this other list to talk > about whatever they want, the result will be the same for them and > people who just want info about looping will be delighted here :) > > If someone wants to be admin (even though there's not much to do as > far as this is concerned) I'll happily transfer the "ownership" to > him/her. I just created it so that it'd be easier for people to > switch to someting else... > > The reactions seemed to be very positive when I proposed this a few > days ago, that's why I insist ;) > > Thanks, > > > "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" > > > --Apple-Mail-2--359041705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am OK with a separate list, = but I joined and cannot see how I will know when new messages come in = without going to that web page frequently and looking?
I use a = separate / non-web email program for my emails.=A0

Is there a way to be = notified via my email program that there are new messages on the google = groups based LDOT list? (OR....?)
I really want to avoid = having to frequently take even more time to open up my browser and = linking to that list without knowing first if there is any new = content.=A0=A0

TIA

But, thanx again = to=A0</daviD> for at least making a positive effort.

-Rev. Fever

On Aug 29, 2007, at = 8:04 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I'm willing to try it = out, but have we agreed to the criteria for what counts as an OT topic?=A0= I wouldn't want to loose any valuable discussion archived on LD, = because we pushed it to another list. This concerns me...the whole idea = of segregating topics concerns me. I am still a proponent of letting the = list regulate itself.
=A0
=A0
----- Original = Message -----
=A0

Hello = everyone,

As = I said yesterday, I created a google groups mailing list called = "Looper's Delight Off Topic", located here :






= --Apple-Mail-2--359041705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:33:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48CFE3BF78; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QHHBPsSL6tN80uS0vmEhMaL2Qo4mCZZffVvDLRa9xdgORd+i5VTNR2MuxnaNzRPpiZNT7vYv5U4SyDKugZi8LMdb/Y73+GA7fcFan7lcZO4FI3uJslIH7OjaAxodQmroZT14QDfVUadP51gvLMUetfccbj+cv9oj0RdJmQOLKDI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ha9ZJu+pLpsAvm0rUwIkl1Lx7hM/YHNaZ77zkY2yrwnGalhKiPPsHoZ4vZPK/Om/fEGYGrOAbCLvHqKUa1LdjcG42w3C9/DKW2fMHyd7HOlvo5R2rwoE9e/WwwvpcfkSu4kpAuXpSzvsoxFuuV02hVQu67zqYF4hdp3Bv135I6A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <15d0840708290745l61b893dbra0d0e748ea10d2b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <15d0840708290745l61b893dbra0d0e748ea10d2b2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:33:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:33:18 +0000 (UTC) On 29 aug 2007, at 16.45, Matthew Johnson wrote: > 90% of the shows I go to, its a MAC on stage. Is this is the work > of lemmings, hipsters and marketers, or is it really worth it? > -- > Matt H. Johnson Hi Matt, I guess there are four main reasons Macs are over represented among musicians: 1) Historically, Mac was the first OS to support hard disc recording. Back in the days there wasn't a choice, you had to get a Mac and Digidesign hardware. The only alternative was to buy a multi track tape recorder and loads of outboard processing gear to an almost astronomical cost. Although music software for Windows has popped up during the years, many musicians rather prefer to stay with what they have come to know "as stable and well functioning" instead of learning a new system or change their software. 2) Apple is the pc manufacturer that has the strongest reputation of caring for both the hardware and the software "in-house", thus launching products that are less prone to fail - something that is no hit on stage. 3) Mac's has a reputation of being more stable (as an effect of #2 above), easier to learn, use and maintain. For a computer savvy musicians that might not be an issue, but many musicians prefer being "music savvy" rather than "computer savvy". 4) Better firewire support. Only with an Apple box you can get firewire 800 ports and practically all Mac's can power an audio interface directly through the firewire cable. With any other, non Mac, pc you would have to bring an extra power supply for your firewire interface. I myself use both pc's built by Apple and by others as Zepto, IBM etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6933BF83; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sF8mYQqBBSxkRVfFsPWOfcKxW09PUEc901xXhBqphBrm0As+qrlF50j/Qts7i05Qo4i8PIn5XObBFkYa/nYgH1HbbOSb1w3VDAXKtTxYLsjtPoftGPFuePif+fNiUGLxzrkDFApj+HXyGCfVbO0d7LMqfat6rpeO4QzZZlelTYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LGQgCaV1+fOTn5toOHaH9t7k6UZhHHZI55qA3nr1kjqoiycvkNnbaM9ZEesTrz2nIrzEF8ZzuRiHDZGi6dF9JPb0fmkBdHz2W4aYlHiMEVpvQBXgIKOWzeRRrjGI4xTNl7+SRh/UztXaqTFe+s10of6MOsFmyFYyxFOxIcEukJ0= In-Reply-To: <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Message-Id: <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:38:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:38:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 29 aug 2007, at 17.32, Rev Fever wrote: > I am OK with a separate list, but I joined and cannot see how I > will know when new messages come in without going to that web page > frequently and looking Yes. Chose the last alternative, "Email" when you sign up. (se below) > How do you want to read this group? > > 1) No Email > I will read this group on the web > --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/gif; x-unix-mode=0666; name=dot_clear.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=dot_clear.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > 2) Abridged Email (No more than 1 email per day) > Get a summary of new activity each day > --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/gif; x-unix-mode=0666; name=dot_clear.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=dot_clear.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > 3)Digest Email (Approximately 1 email per day) > Get up to 25 full new messages bundled into a single email > --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/gif; x-unix-mode=0666; name=dot_clear.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=dot_clear.gif R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== --Apple-Mail-13--358695853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > 4) Email (Approximately 1 email per day > Send each message to me as it arrives Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) --Apple-Mail-13--358695853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:44:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653E53BF8B; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AB13A2E-1BD4-4714-9444-5C08ED70FA4E@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:43:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Ahh. Once again, Per to the rescue! Thanx! I am still kind of waking up here this A.M.(yawn!) and obviously did not take the time to delve deeper. (bad habit I have had in the past. Oops!) Will do.... -Rev. Fever On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 29 aug 2007, at 17.32, Rev Fever wrote: > >> I am OK with a separate list, but I joined and cannot see how I >> will know when new messages come in without going to that web page >> frequently and looking > > Yes. Chose the last alternative, "Email" when you sign up. (se below) > > >> How do you want to read this group? >> >> 1) No Email >> I will read this group on the web >> >> >> 2) Abridged Email (No more than 1 email per day) >> Get a summary of new activity each day >> >> >> 3)Digest Email (Approximately 1 email per day) >> Get up to 25 full new messages bundled into a single email >> >> >> 4) Email (Approximately 1 email per day >> Send each message to me as it arrives > > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 15:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17A43BF54; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y+HMtaTtv8EDvUIKUAS1uOvihbslptsEpZHWXzxwqd/XK/ru7sdFMg1oRqXZqu6BlBC12R2r3dDFzhIwO37WjpT7OhQiI0L+TVgxh5iPqb6OhhjKU/jM2mCluQJVu1Mv5/B4PqmDWtpzuNrWy9AjlDPYNZbHqHBUU+QllK3CsSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bzALLfyUFHxEItMaI55tKJTlOM9gySMwB0Qk7nO8hIafz7YRfEs+dJJHvBDXHaiZHWhbjafKWEp5s9jLm+ysvB/SbNheWvhKJD2P30wA4fVGO62yZd+rJCXHbtajx/ojiixVq7C8mH3AeZGFg8+/y4Z6c4xFbEh10+PQKSxIBzA= In-Reply-To: <3AB13A2E-1BD4-4714-9444-5C08ED70FA4E@ubergadget.com> References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> <3AB13A2E-1BD4-4714-9444-5C08ED70FA4E@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:49:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0EZiJC.A.pDH.WWZ1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) On 29 aug 2007, at 17.43, Rev Fever wrote: > I am still kind of waking up here this A.M.(yawn!) He, he.... cool - it's almost six PM here by now. A bit tired after a long working day (yawn). And now..... DAMN - THAT WAS OFF TOPIC!!!! Excuse me, wrong list. Can someone please send a post over the LDOT list? I need some incoming to set up a filter that directs the LDOTs into the same folder as the LDs. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:14:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB56F3BF73; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09ea01c7ea57$afbe5810$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <15d0840708290745l61b893dbra0d0e748ea10d2b2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:14:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09E7_01C7EA25.642340F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09E7_01C7EA25.642340F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, this thread could likely go on forever, because everyone is going = to base their comments on their own personal experiences with a PC or = Mac. If you do decide to go PC laptop, I recommend finding someone who = is using a system that is working great for them, and then duplicate it. = Because one thing I've found with PCs, is that compatability varies = from system to system. One audio interface might work well on one = computer but have clicks or latancy problems on another. Or one system = work great, but have an IRQ conflict on another PC, because of the way = the manufacture has designed it.=20 I am a PC user since 1989, and in January I am moving to a Macbook Pro = for music. I am finally convinced that this is a good move for me. I am = tired, so very tired of tweaking PCs, messing with registries, = uninstalling/installing different drivers, changing deep system = settings, messing with settings in System/Hardware Devices, buying a = product and sending it back because of hardware conflicts, and so on ad = infinitum. I'm sick of it. And then I talk to my mac friends, they seem = to be freed from all these things. I want that freedom back. I want to = get back to playing music rather than being a PC repair person. :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 ok, i unsubscribed, but Im back to drain knowledge. I am a new Live user. Ive used Cubase SE3 in the past, but Im looking = to upgrade. Im looking for a new laptop, because my old system cannot = support Live. It really comes down to.....dun dun dun....MAC vs. PC!=20 I am not operating at a high level at his point, and I will never be = operating at the level of many of you on this site. Im primarily a = guitarist. I want to=20 1) be able to record my band and have 6 mics recording simultaneously=20 2) use my laptop in a live setting to loop and pull up samples 3) create music at home=20 After my initial round of research, I am looking at 2.2 ghz intel core 2 2 GB of RAM with the possibility of upgrading later=20 atleast 120 GB of RAM a decent video card This is the specs for a macbook Pro. After an extended warranty and = support pack, I can get a PC for almost $500 cheaper than a MAC. I dont = want to make an expensive decision I will regret. I realize Im lobbing a = bit of a grenade, but more my purposes, does it really make sense to get = the MAC? 90% of the shows I go to, its a MAC on stage. Is this is the = work of lemmings, hipsters and marketers, or is it really worth it?=20 --=20 Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_09E7_01C7EA25.642340F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, this thread could likely go on = forever,=20 because everyone is going to base their comments on their own personal=20 experiences with a PC or Mac.  If you do decide to go PC laptop, I=20 recommend finding someone who is using a system that is working great = for them,=20 and then duplicate it.  Because one thing I've found with PCs, is = that=20 compatability varies from system to system.  One audio = interface might=20 work well on one computer but have clicks or latancy problems on = another. Or one=20 system work great, but have an IRQ conflict on another = PC, because of=20 the way the manufacture has designed it. 

I am a PC user since 1989, and in January I am moving to a = Macbook Pro=20 for music. I am finally convinced that this is a good move for me. I am = tired,=20 so very tired of tweaking PCs, messing with registries, = uninstalling/installing=20 different drivers, changing deep system settings, messing with settings = in=20 System/Hardware Devices, buying a product and sending it back because of = hardware conflicts, and so on ad infinitum. I'm sick of it. And then I = talk to=20 my mac friends, they seem to be freed from all these things. I want that = freedom=20 back. I want to get back to playing music rather than being a PC repair = person.=20 :)

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
ok,=20 i unsubscribed, but Im back to drain knowledge.

I am a new Live = user.=20 Ive used Cubase SE3 in the past, but Im looking to upgrade. Im looking = for a=20 new laptop, because my old system cannot support Live. It really comes = down=20 to.....dun dun dun....MAC vs. PC!

I am not operating at a high = level=20 at his point, and I will never be operating at the level of many of = you on=20 this site. Im primarily a guitarist.
I want to
1) be able to = record my=20 band and have 6 mics recording simultaneously
2) use = my laptop=20 in a live setting to loop and pull up samples
3) create music at = home=20

After my initial round of research, I am looking at
2.2 ghz = intel=20 core 2
2 GB of RAM with the possibility of upgrading later =
atleast 120=20 GB of RAM
a decent video card

This is the specs for a = macbook Pro.=20 After an extended warranty and support pack, I can get a PC for almost = $500=20 cheaper than a MAC. I dont want to make an expensive decision I will = regret. I=20 realize Im lobbing a bit of a grenade, but more my purposes, does it = really=20 make sense to get the MAC? 90% of the shows I go to, its a MAC on = stage. Is=20 this is the work of lemmings, hipsters and marketers, or is it really = worth=20 it?
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Matt H. Johnson ------=_NextPart_000_09E7_01C7EA25.642340F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:40:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C2383BF17; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:16 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188405616" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <74CwoB.A.U8.5Fa1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:40:25 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188405616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal opinion based on limited experience. Please note the first sentence of my post Matt. If you are an extremely advanced musician & looper with needs that are so specific and personalized that you have realized specific OS software incompatibility issues, yes there may be a truly better machine for your needs in YOUR future. Please, keep it in context for the sake of the person's REAL needs. This is another absolute fact you should consider Matt. 2000.00 WILL buy you an optimized laptop PC with a seriously powerful processor and maxed 2gig of ram. Try doing that with a Mac. There is no question that when it comes to non optimized & specialized COMMERCIAL laptops, Mac is the ONLY way to go. Enter Sonic Labs, Music XPC, Rain, etc into the debate & the Mac argument runs out the back door in a hurry unless you have unlimited money for which to spend. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188405616 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above=20 average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using= =20 ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. The hardware= as=20 is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC=20 laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their=20 capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal=20 opinion based on limited experience.
 
Please note the first sentence of my post Matt. If you are an extremely= =20 advanced musician & looper with needs that are so specific and personali= zed=20 that you have realized specific OS software incompatibility issues, yes= =20 there may be a truly better machine for your needs in YOUR future. Plea= se,=20 keep it in context for the sake of the person's REAL needs.
 
This is another absolute fact you should consider Matt. 2000.00 WI= LL=20 buy you an optimized laptop PC with a seriously powerful processor and maxed= =20 2gig of ram. Try doing that with a Mac.
 
There is no question that when it comes to non optimized & speciali= zed=20 COMMERCIAL laptops, Mac is the ONLY way to go. Enter Sonic Labs, Music XPC,=20 Rain, etc into the debate & the Mac argument runs out the back door in a= =20 hurry unless you have unlimited money for which to spend.
 
           


 -------------------------------1188405616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:47:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4493F3BF6C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Kb1TL6P6MUjcd8DFEL0yfjXLNpWPyw+dvNGtmfBcRYrrQwzvZCxg5QvTCqsJL7NOe5dwJ0dJXUD0lNKvZ3WNHDVzB72gL90nO4X2xWLo5Cgfo/INY6WuLQfsxuwpBFbk4y1GKmL0rfxLZZu7MSthbA3vZjCCJG8jQN7aiCWm7DA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CUY75UbJ9aWzsE7fkd4YHdFPSBtlA1nGKl86Bf+gNTpUpcR4aBu05iL7io0kbxEJGWzhUfsifBbYCG4Xi3Wi9z+RBYmiHDSQn+0AKE8mvRlSmXDfHouqy+6VR/A+9AzGBLIGulCTDIKTCeCiayEdjbWdCu/6UszSgSX8fbXN90Y= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708290947i1cc24cfbi130f90bc70a99bee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:47:15 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1221_30370056.1188406035138" References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> <3AB13A2E-1BD4-4714-9444-5C08ED70FA4E@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1221_30370056.1188406035138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As a long-time reader here, I'm wary of separate lists which require wandering off to a new location. I also like the self-regulating aspect of LD. I think OT in the subject line is enough. -m ------=_Part_1221_30370056.1188406035138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As a long-time reader here, I'm wary of separate lists which require wandering off to a new location.  I also like the self-regulating aspect of LD.  I think OT in the subject line is enough.  -m

------=_Part_1221_30370056.1188406035138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 835E93BF61; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Zee9X6Lizy5oMOK29UihF+NwEi3mZxsaafTSiVzd9rdE24HIDfVpO0RrnXJ8nz2VqFEdxoPpskIodvxWBnQweDZHfzjo1qalN6jc8O0pinciz0ei1OqSyA7qMicP/tShTeAlEVwH/VmWeHhTyky9x/5hOTuwZbc8gSbkV9nlJt0=; X-YMail-OSG: .t98ezUVM1nsgOyEp4qGW6UOxMWpZkbATT6YXcfMPpVhDbbUDmKJ_uOaepZ.MTSQCdNE5r6PRTMGgS7Czj4fxg_YjVwvwsbypvYPoTmBz94bthH9m1WvXulKOqZ_9A-- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) To: loopers delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <912533.67311.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3jzxs.A.wsB.-Ua1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:30 +0000 (UTC) I recently rediscovered a guitar I had that had a fretless neck on it. I forgot about it a long time ago, and decided to fiddle with it. I remember someone on here recently played fretless guitar, what I'm curious to know is, what your set up for the guitar is(string guages, action, tuning, etc.). For now, I have a extra heavy guage set(think of a seven string set without the high E) and I have it tuned CGCFAD. I would rather go back to standard tuning, but I'm not sure if I should use my typical gauge of string(a set of 10s) or go heavier for the sake of sustain. Also I was thinking about putting epoxy on the fretboard and leveling/sanding it. Recommendations? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:56:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBD1F3BF67; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 655387143 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA5D.96AA0BF3" Subject: RC-2 saves the day Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:56:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DBD9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RC-2 saves the day Thread-Index: AcfqXZXaUzmRbPNkQ7m/xbPygJm/MQ== References: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 16:56:48.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CE9E90:01C7EA5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA5D.96AA0BF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my band, as I have previously mentioned, has a good collection of looping devices- =20 I have two repeaters & a lexicon 32s jam-man, + a 2880, a headrush, a DL4, an echo-pro & a lot of older analogue & digital delay devices that can be used as loopers or "freeze boxes" as I prefer to call them. =20 the guitarist uses another 32s jam-man, a DL4, an echo-pro, a boss DD-20, an ancient boss DD3, & this RC-2 he bought in a moment of gearlustmadness & has never used. =20 the drummer uses one of the new EH-16 second boxes. nowhere near his kit or his keyboard, but somewhere on the floor with a load of percussion "toys" & a microphone. =20 so we're preparing a live set based on a really rather complex sequence of pieces that were months in post-production, with all manner of layered transitions. the quick way to smooth over these changes is to have bits of the tracks isolated from the multitrack & load them into the repeater. =20 (an alternative is to have the drummer take the mic & tell stories to the audience.... :-) ) =20 so that's easy, & the best part is that I can force the repeater to "remember" the right tempo for the piece we are going into after the transition, irrespective of the BPM of the actual loop.=20 =20 thus it serves to patch up an otherwise awkward moment on stage (where there's a segue or crossfade on the actual album), while we all adjust ourselves & our settings, reach for towels & try to remember how the next bit goes. =20 so I get these bits of musical band-aid loaded up into the repeater, we rehearse the set & everything works fine. then the drummer has to go & say: "we're sort of relying on the repeater not to go wrong now, aren't we? what if it breaks?" (the other repeater being hundreds of miles away in my studio, in case you wondered.) =20 instant drummer-curse. of course, the repeater is fine, but now I'm not. =20 & this is where the RC-2 comes in. I have loaded the same loops into it as mono backups, with the added benefits that I can start & stop these loops without buggering up the sequencers or the guitarist's jam-man (which uses the same master clock from my repeater), & have a load of humorous one-shot stuff in there too, & I get the repeater back. =20 I actually like the little thing, even though there aren't enough knobs for what it can do & there should be some more knobs for stuff that it definitely can't do (like pitch changing, reverse & so on). 16 minutes/11 memory locations is a bit odd too, though not quite as odd as the 2880's "you can only make one loop but it can be three days long if you like" approach, which is just not any use to me.=20 =20 in fact, if anyone's after a 2880 (c/w footpedal controller) &/or an E2 headrush, let me know. they be dust-magnets right now.=20 oh, & a third echo-pro. all boxed. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA5D.96AA0BF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
my band, as I have = previously=20 mentioned, has a good collection of looping devices-
 
I have two repeaters = & a=20 lexicon 32s jam-man, + a 2880, a headrush, a DL4, an echo-pro & = a lot=20 of older analogue & digital delay devices that can be used as = loopers or=20 "freeze boxes" as I prefer to call them.
 
the guitarist uses = another 32s=20 jam-man, a DL4, an echo-pro, a boss DD-20, an ancient boss DD3, = & this=20 RC-2 he bought in a moment of gearlustmadness & has never=20 used.
 
the drummer uses one of the new EH-16 second = boxes.=20 nowhere near his kit or his keyboard, but somewhere on the floor with a = load of=20 percussion "toys" & a microphone.
 
so we're preparing a = live set based=20 on a really rather complex sequence of pieces that were months in=20 post-production, with all manner of layered transitions. the quick way = to smooth=20 over these changes is to have bits of the tracks isolated from the=20 multitrack & load them into the repeater.
 
(an alternative is to = have the=20 drummer take the mic & tell stories to the audience.... :-)=20 )
 
so that's easy, & = the best part=20 is that I can force the repeater to "remember" the right tempo for the = piece we=20 are going into after the transition, irrespective of the BPM of the = actual loop.=20
 
thus it serves to patch = up an=20 otherwise awkward moment on stage (where there's a segue or crossfade on = the=20 actual album), while we all adjust ourselves & our settings, reach = for=20 towels & try to remember how the next bit goes.
 
so I get these bits of = musical=20 band-aid loaded up into the repeater, we rehearse the set & = everything works=20 fine. then the drummer has to go & say:
"we're sort of relying = on the=20 repeater not to go wrong now, aren't we? what if it breaks?" (the other = repeater=20 being hundreds of miles away in my studio, in case you=20 wondered.)
 
instant drummer-curse. = of course,=20 the repeater is fine, but now I'm not.
 
& this is where the = RC-2 comes=20 in. I have loaded the same loops into it as mono backups, with the added = benefits that I can start & stop these loops without buggering up = the=20 sequencers or the guitarist's jam-man (which uses the same master clock=20 from my repeater), & have a load of humorous one-shot stuff in = there=20 too, & I get the repeater back.
 
I actually like the = little thing,=20 even though there aren't enough knobs for what it can do & there = should be=20 some more knobs for stuff that it definitely can't do (like pitch = changing,=20 reverse & so on). 16 minutes/11 memory locations is a bit odd too, = though=20 not quite as odd as the 2880's "you can only make one loop but it can be = three=20 days long if you like" approach, which is just not any use to=20 me. 
 
in fact, if anyone's = after a 2880=20 (c/w footpedal controller) &/or an E2 headrush, let me know. they be = dust-magnets right now.
oh, & a third = echo-pro. all=20 boxed.
 
d.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA5D.96AA0BF3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 16:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3B523BF8F; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 773674430 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:59:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DBDE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Thread-Index: AcfqXfK1vIeNFqWgRk6u+EId7GBz1g== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 16:59:23.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[F360E460:01C7EA5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>I need some incoming to set up a filter that directs the LDOTs into the same folder as the LDs.<< first time I've laughed out loud today, & for that, many thanks. :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:01:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D0773BF8C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a4201c7ea5e$4958f2e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:01:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A3F_01C7EA2B.FDCD1E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:01:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A3F_01C7EA2B.FDCD1E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average = musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or = Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.=20 I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY = NO ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all = possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a = blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this = seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of = systematic relativity at play. The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user = is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is = strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 = laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do = you mean by superior?=20 Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal = opinion based on limited experience. You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another = based on an incorrect assumption? :) Kris =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0A3F_01C7EA2B.FDCD1E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above=20 average musician/dj/music related application stand point to = using=20 ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? = POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've = disproven=20 all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like = a=20 blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this = seems=20 like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic=20 relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book = Pro user=20 is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This = is=20 strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now = and buy=20 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM.  = What do=20 you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely = personal=20 opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" = to=20 another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 
Kris
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0A3F_01C7EA2B.FDCD1E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:24:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BAF43BF4A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NRApm7dUg3McmWMd56n8lovXGkh6m+Vt91lQQsXi60aQVoGVO5mqQyWprqrc/P9ozxUusgekWB5jxdOGt+XN+wSy2yY/kOG449ttKaC17145XQ4wcD4l6oE4IXd/SYSkAigaTmGaq6wmmQpI4QatwxcuEHJq8S/K7J5ms+lrGEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZANvt9SDqPM9TdboAM5BaW/jv+h3YIg7o1Ux54IECHE0n4DgrHP89VEgZ+ki38Bl2bbkIOYabpq8PGz8ARTqNqHHoVEdyDoYc9j5iucgq742oG9YzzAanGgegbt8GJit1TUIleFU1efNb2jncI/EcREBQV5r/f/nWz7305CneVE= In-Reply-To: <0a4201c7ea5e$4958f2e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0a4201c7ea5e$4958f2e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <010EEB6B-9091-4E27-89D3-A8052B983FF0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:23:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_VWRO.A.axC.wua1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) On 29 aug 2007, at 19.01, Krispen Hartung wrote: > IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above > average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using > ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. Just a short addition to your opinion: In some cases there is actually a one hundred percent advantage in using one of the discussed systems in particular. That is when the software you need is not available for the other system. This addition is not based on my opinion. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:34:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17933BF70; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cq4eplnJgNC6VQWMiDOzPB9SE1rQ8AvjuKrP+EDNcwZjVQMG94MRQnweMBbEX0+jjM3lcdkotMD0ldYCUE6M1Ytd+eeWtdVs+3xlOBig6m7ONgX/XaYAsWG1Z4T1rmKKm2vwQdSM1oFZHt6IhPxtVsUyoG5VDoRA5t9QBNPN0R4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Loe1ueDc9b3L5TR+L5HFKs0ZR8Ri5KLHW2jJEShka8cslig/tfi0sQt3tLDQ3hHWln8JN8isTnu0bKu3/ahlXm0gJHDR7YKqhHlUpV+nbYpUkP2eIE0YtxAIsTL+YJGDZtDW9oKs16gjJXmsf+3j9WG8MqlJGCZTYN0m22oPB2E= Message-ID: <9e0440a60708291034o2ad53916ub23157c201b082e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:34:06 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <912533.67311.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2145_19712308.1188408846106" References: <912533.67311.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:34:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2145_19712308.1188408846106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Brian I think Per was the last post on fretless stuff on the list but I've posted from time to time. I play fretless and use a light gauge think the top is 12. Though I've had a professional endorse for years with GHS I've unfortunately not found a good flatwound set with them so I've been using d'Addario's Chrome Flat Wound set and like them very much. If you use round wound it can bite into the wood. For samples of what I do both solo and with my duo with Daryl Shawn Chinapainting go to... http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic best Jim On 8/29/07, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > > I recently rediscovered a guitar I had that had a > fretless neck on it. I forgot about it a long time > ago, and decided to fiddle with it. I remember > someone on here recently played fretless guitar, what > I'm curious to know is, what your set up for the > guitar is(string guages, action, tuning, etc.). For > now, I have a extra heavy guage set(think of a seven > string set without the high E) and I have it tuned > CGCFAD. I would rather go back to standard tuning, > but I'm not sure if I should use my typical gauge of > string(a set of 10s) or go heavier for the sake of > sustain. Also I was thinking about putting epoxy on > the fretboard and leveling/sanding it. > Recommendations? > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_2145_19712308.1188408846106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Brian I think Per was the last post on fretless stuff on the list but I've posted from time to time.  I play fretless and use a light gauge think the top is 12.  Though I've had a professional endorse for years with GHS I've unfortunately not found a good flatwound set with them so I've been using d'Addario's Chrome Flat Wound set and like them very much.  If you use round wound it can bite into the wood.
 
For samples of what I do both solo and with my duo with Daryl Shawn Chinapainting go to...
 
 
best
 
Jim

 
On 8/29/07, Brian Kupferschmid <apparitionapparition@yahoo.com> wrote:
I recently rediscovered a guitar I had that had a
fretless neck on it.  I forgot about it a long time
ago, and decided to fiddle with it.  I remember
someone on here recently played fretless guitar, what
I'm curious to know is, what your set up for the
guitar is(string guages, action, tuning, etc.).  For
now, I have a extra heavy guage set(think of a seven
string set without the high E) and I have it tuned
CGCFAD.  I would rather go back to standard tuning,
but I'm not sure if I should use my typical gauge of
string(a set of 10s) or go heavier for the sake of
sustain.  Also I was thinking about putting epoxy on
the fretboard and leveling/sanding it.
Recommendations?



____________________________________________________________________________________
Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_2145_19712308.1188408846106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:38:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57FDC3BF84; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:38:40 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-reply-to: <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Bgjx2e3XvI88lxQ+kZdQw)" Thread-index: AcfqTgs5HyTtApRUSzilGOUcYDwTuAAFCy2A References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_3Bgjx2e3XvI88lxQ+kZdQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I haven't chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, but I gotta say, I don't like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is mostly about communicating with a bunch of interesting people who I occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and keeping up with my friends' mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I delete huge ranges of messages - but viewing them by conversation makes this really easy. I don't keep up with any other community, really, not having the time. To me, the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than the long threads on equipment that I don't have or use. I have to wonder how much the community is willing to sacrifice in order to accommodate a very few (I think) people who, for one reason or another, have trouble with the format. My vote is to OT on, right on this list. I don't feel that it's been abused. Warren --Boundary_(ID_3Bgjx2e3XvI88lxQ+kZdQw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I haven’t chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, but I gotta say, I don’t like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is mostly about communicating with a bunch of interesting people who I occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and keeping up with my friends’ mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I delete huge ranges of messages – but viewing them by conversation makes this really easy. I don’t keep up with any other community, really, not having the time. To me, the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than the long threads on equipment that I don’t have or use.

 

I have to wonder how much the community is willing to sacrifice in order to accommodate a very few (I think) people who, for one reason or another, have trouble with the format. My vote is to OT on, right on this list. I don’t feel that it’s been abused.

 

Warren

--Boundary_(ID_3Bgjx2e3XvI88lxQ+kZdQw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:40:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11213BF84; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f001c7ea63$b8446360$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <907381.70737.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: terribly OT: how to become member of OT-group Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:40:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/jMf8cXVl/wbEloFKR3tVLaoDDTQwZ4PFa6+k lMkCYmPiGTAA5pE3bL4rE9mylVgpCz9r1nlYZkeD4Y9dph2Cb+ CLarpTJTWB2keGTSIjLx29d4EIJzZgI Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) i am really sorry about this, but i have opened an account for the OT google group and can't send messages. may i have to become member of the group by some intricate process i haven't understood yet? can someone help me with this bleeding newbie question? smooth looping - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 17:48:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D41403BF6C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q+3qJcrw0y1Mg1ITySjVvriskPMVqIAoBb5kN96DYYJAGATJfFRa9BIEPx+BzmCYfd1GOYhTmcyE3kBosMsaroccvNR9QugoRSaY6SETb3d+tStcC7VekF4yGSJxPH88b5HhVQr+26KdtYTmzCg4JAB++2V2UsT6nwJxoRrj62w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BPbB4h81TlSLNf3rflVP9rMRw3Wcy0Ozsn6NMRJOFuT7SBvbRcFiqrOjpdiRlhrgdchzTKYPlYevD95mwduOmRxlEvZBBYUsLSEhgFVKsKXhlg+6weH+D2gDXScIVx2MDGel77xxR/WlgU1xQHRN0yqcd4zOqJCiGwBYXHOk/eo= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291048v79e3519fsf1dea9409e26d32f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:48:54 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1572_19017215.1188409734186" References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1572_19017215.1188409734186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If I haven't made my own feelings clear enough yet, I concur with Warren. thanks for writing it all out... t. On 8/29/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I haven't chimed in yet, and I **have** signed up for the OT list, but I > gotta say, I don't like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is > mostly about communicating with a bunch of interesting people who I > occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and keeping up with my > friends' mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I > delete huge ranges of messages =96 but viewing them by conversation makes= this > really easy. I don't keep up with any other community, really, not having > the time. To me, the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than the long > threads on equipment that I don't have or use. > > > > I have to wonder how much the community is willing to sacrifice in order > to accommodate a very few (I think) people who, for one reason or another= , > have trouble with the format. My vote is to OT on, right on this list. I > don't feel that it's been abused. > > > > Warren > --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1572_19017215.1188409734186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If I haven't made my own feelings clear enough yet, I concur with Warre= n.

thanks for writing it all out...

t.


On 8/29/07, Warren Sir= ota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com= > wrote:

I= haven't chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, but I gotta say, I don't like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is mostly about communicating with a bunch= of interesting people who I occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and= keeping up with my friends' mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I delete huge ranges of messages =96 but viewing them by conversation makes this really easy. I don't keep up with any other community, really, not having the time. To me, the OT stuff tends to be mor= e interesting than the long threads on equipment that I don't have or use.

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1572_19017215.1188409734186-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:07:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CBBC3BF75; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Z4lkupZLX4BqeYM+PasNQf/u4jgoz5ebqCBR0po7OT7DvuvgqdgX/7m1m8uANTjotkgEHsDiOiw2Hr8k/ehnvzYVpUHopxVzY6bmrm8uYVndBxxDq377aBlR/Bhjor1IITufg5mLCgvAgbqto3A85j193+si62rXWoGUeUxhEEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gEWae3VYcyLgf/xyDAuwpqMoAav7aYDrlKagfJ7NSS1t76W2uxHuSJCX6J67Z7lbwo9jK5h9GFCQRLgJSl7UVIuKHGZIdw9fo66kybra5dAUvuCxnH3Q5gG25Pq+l3wB89xfFVFK1ViBskRhXRPIAXlBwRnmdlFJvQFBAuJu3+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <902432F7-CDCD-4C93-8DFF-3F91D79DAC9A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:07:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) On 29 aug 2007, at 19.38, Warren Sirota wrote: > I haven=92t chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, =20 > but I gotta say, I don=92t like the idea of a separate list. For me, =20= > this list is mostly about communicating with a bunch of interesting =20= > people who I occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and =20 > keeping up with my friends=92 mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the =20= > book topic. Every day, I delete huge ranges of messages =96 but =20 > viewing them by conversation makes this really easy. I don=92t keep =20= > up with any other community, really, not having the time. To me, =20 > the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than the long threads on =20 > equipment that I don=92t have or use. My view is close to Warrens here. So in order to keep up with =20 everything without having to bother about separate lists I have them =20 both filtered into the same mail box. Recommended! I don't need to know which list a certain thread is coming from, I =20 just delete or read-write-reply. My replies goes out to the same list =20= they came from. A true victory for mail filtering and separate mails =20 subscription! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:26:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4D93BF2A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2C06@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <912533.67311.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) Thread-Index: AcfqaiGOQu8lbcQMQOOmy0LBQXa1VA== From: "Dean, Hal " To: "loopers delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 18:26:38.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[238489B0:01C7EA6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:26:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm no expert... see http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=3Dmain. = But briefly: sounds like this guitar was born fretless, so the advice that some folks deliver about detuning may not apply... but FWIW, some recommend for a defretted guitar (like the Casio Strat-style MG500 I defretted) that it be tuned down at least a whole step, because taking out the frets reduces the stiffness of the neck somewhat. That is probably mitigated with epoxy filler, but I used wood filler and detune from standard by W. I did not epoxy, but I did apply three coats polyurethane. With a modicum of care and sanding, the resulting neck is very slick, sans any squeak from finger glides. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:56 PM To: loopers delight Subject: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) I recently rediscovered a guitar I had that had a fretless neck on it. I forgot about it a long time ago, and decided to fiddle with it. I remember someone on here recently played fretless guitar, what I'm curious to know is, what your set up for the guitar is(string guages, action, tuning, etc.). For now, I have a extra heavy guage set(think of a seven string set without the high E) and I have it tuned CGCFAD. I would rather go back to standard tuning, but I'm not sure if I should use my typical gauge of string(a set of 10s) or go heavier for the sake of sustain. Also I was thinking about putting epoxy on the fretboard and leveling/sanding it. Recommendations?=20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=3D1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:27:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4ECE3BF7B; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:27:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200708291827.l7TIRwFw014845@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:27:59 +0000 (UTC) I'd just like to add a vote in favor of Warren's point of view. In my opinion, the value of this list would be diminished by segregating into Off and On topic. The main reason I'm here is to gain the perspectives of a bunch of very interesting musicians who also happen to like using looping technology. Then again, I'm also good with the delete key (as well as being a frequent OT poster fwiw). Kevin > I haven't chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, but I gotta > say, I don't like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is mostly > about communicating with a bunch of interesting people who I occasionally > have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and keeping up with my friends' mp3s, > videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I delete huge > ranges of messages - but viewing them by conversation makes this really > easy. I don't keep up with any other community, really, not having the time. > To me, the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than the long threads on > equipment that I don't have or use. > > > > I have to wonder how much the community is willing to sacrifice in order to > accommodate a very few (I think) people who, for one reason or another, have > trouble with the format. My vote is to OT on, right on this list. I don't > feel that it's been abused. > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:32:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 116123BF5E; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PpfkffgpPHIK1f5XmVn5rCKOWV/ZgdaMWJD6C8yEXe3uE5RRdPHsccnIWlVPua8Hi3N2aKW5CDJ7Rh5EOhi4JdkOYtaTxBnHBpLuJIvKLa/thDeFA+MvHSDqHRGRTGYnpPiTn1TQsx2X0ULMLAAQHEWn7btm6+1Zlos+6OypSo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z4b99SUFZsWfAAiMWzo3GpFQLqcyNJkuaku+3OBYVJ8Cx+LcWxa8nEGYUcqkDaRWDj/RRiqKdBICalpJbGOqDUUtCpw1rf5s2NySYuemke7fzi5vLL3BXqZJWrS8VtlHQO5Zo+y3nr5KgG5RQhNfxZRznT3DfSbWHLlf4vhBZEw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:32:52 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: <200708291827.l7TIRwFw014845@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708291827.l7TIRwFw014845@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:32:54 +0000 (UTC) "What is the Looper's Delight Mailing list? What types of things are discussed on it? Loopers Delight is a forum for discussing loops and loop based music. For posting, make sure you send to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com. There isn't much that is considered off-topic, but it should somehow relate to looping if you don't want to irritate people. Past, present and future topics include looping devices and setups (Oberheim Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man and Vortex, Boomerang, samplers, MIDI, effects, mixers, speakers, etc). We've also had threads about improvisation, creativity, books, recordings, computers, Torn, Fripp, Eno , DJs, ambient, industrial, minimalist music, hip hop, drum and bass, Indian Classical music, sequencing, looping theory and philosophy, etc., etc. You name it, we've probably discussed it." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:39:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065E83BF67; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:39:05 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188412745" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188412745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram. I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question. The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm? What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot? Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ? If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM. bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes: IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play. The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do you mean by superior? Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal opinion based on limited experience. You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another based on an incorrect assumption? :) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188412745 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kris
I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken wit= h=20 it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for= =20 some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY a= head=20 of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no=20 specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram.
 
I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, t= he=20 optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can=20= get=20 pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question.
 
The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent=20 optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer=20 performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell= of=20 a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getti= ng=20 that is black n white superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add= Mac=20 drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening=20 crescendo ?
 
If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now= for=20 free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have alway= s=20 stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the planet. On= ly=20 thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum seri= ous=20 tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to=20= get=20 any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more=20 RAM.
 
bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 khartung@cableone.net writes:
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IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above=20 average musician/dj/music related application stand point to usi= ng=20 ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure?=20 POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've disprov= en=20 all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a=20 blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems= =20 like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic=20 relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro=20= user=20 is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is=20 strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and b= uy=20 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM.  Wha= t do=20 you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal= =20 opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to=20 another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 



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<= /BODY> -------------------------------1188412745-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:41:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8EE03BF95; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070829173409.660E43BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070829173409.660E43BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--347768285 Message-Id: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> From: David Steinberg Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:40:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:41:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--347768285 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > De : Mikkoz > Date : 29 ao=FBt 2007 18:47:15 HAEC > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : R=E9p : Keeping the off-topic off the list ? > > > As a long-time reader here, I'm wary of separate lists which =20 > require wandering off to a new location. Well, only once : to subscribe to the list. After that : it's a =20 mailing list, which means that (if you choose so), the content =20 arrives directly in your inbox. And if, like Per, you want to have =20 both lists unseparated, the answer is just one email filter away... :) > I also like the self-regulating aspect of LD. I, and others , do not. Honestly, it's not self-regulated. I've been =20 subscribed to lots of mailing lists, and this one is definitely one =20 of the most verbose and off-topic-prone. Do you ever wonder why =20 people regularly send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list ? =20 People unsub because of the off-topic traffic. I know this, I've done =20= it several times (and, yes, I eventually came back each time because =20 the information that circulates on this list can't be found anywhere =20 else). That's not to say that what's in the off-topic mails is rubbish, of =20 course. =46rom what I've seen, it's usually full of interesting things, =20= but, and this is the important point that some people here don't seem =20= to quite process, it's not what we signed for. It's simple : people who subscribe to this list are interested in =20 reading and sharing informations about loopers and looping music, and =20= tangent subjects such as the instruments used, etc. are also of =20 interest to most of them. But that's it. While reading lists and =20 discussions about movies are things that I can certainly enjoy, they =20 become annoying when they represent more emails than subjects about =20 music-making and instruments... That's why I think that another list could be a good thing. Of =20 course, it can only work if most of the "usual posters" here do agree =20= about this and use it. As I said, I had the experience of Analogue Heaven and Analogue =20 Heaven Off Topic some years ago and, as RevFever said "AHOT took the =20 heat off of Analogue Heaven and everyone became happy campers again". =20= AH and LD are similar lists : lots of subscribers, some "heavy =20 posters", and lots of people interested in lots of things besides =20 their electronic noisemakers. The main difference is perhaps that the =20= source of off-topic posts is rarely flamewars here, which is a good =20 thing... :) > I think OT in the subject line is enough. -m Not for people who use the digest version. Some of us actually want =20 to minimize the number of emails we receive each day... Thanks for your time :) "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-2--347768285 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
De : Mikkoz <biffoz@gmail.com>
Date : 29 ao=FBt 2007 18:47:15 = HAEC
Objet : = R=E9p : Keeping the off-topic off the list = ?


As a long-time reader = here, I'm wary of separate lists which require wandering off to a new = location.=A0

Well, only once : to = subscribe to the list.=A0After that : it's a mailing list, which means = that (if you choose so), the content arrives directly in your inbox.=A0And= if, like Per, you want to have both lists unseparated, the answer is = just one email filter away... :)

I = also like the self-regulating aspect of LD.=A0

I, and others , do = not.=A0Honestly, it's not self-regulated. I've been subscribed to lots = of mailing lists, and this one is definitely one of the most verbose and = off-topic-prone. Do you ever wonder why people regularly send their = "unsubscribe" messages to the list ? People unsub because of the = off-topic traffic. I know this, I've done it several times (and, yes, I = eventually came back each time because the information that circulates = on this list can't be found anywhere else).

That's not to say that = what's in the off-topic mails is rubbish, of course. =46rom what I've = seen, it's usually full of interesting things, but, and this is the = important point that some people here don't seem to quite process, it's = not what we signed for.=A0

It's simple : people who = subscribe to this list are interested in reading and sharing = informations about loopers and looping music, and tangent subjects such = as the instruments used, etc. are also of interest to most of them. But = that's it. While reading lists and discussions about movies are things = that I can certainly enjoy, they become annoying when they represent = more emails than subjects about music-making and = instruments...

That's why I think that = another list could be a good thing.=A0Of course, it can only work if = most of the "usual posters" here do agree about this and use = it.

As I = said,=A0I had the experience of Analogue Heaven and Analogue Heaven Off = Topic some years ago and, as RevFever said "AHOT took the heat off of = Analogue Heaven=A0and everyone became happy campers again". AH and LD = are similar lists : lots of subscribers, some "heavy posters", and lots = of people interested in lots of things besides their electronic = noisemakers. The main difference is perhaps that the source of off-topic = posts is rarely flamewars here, which is a good thing... = :)

I think OT in the subject line is = enough.=A0 -m

Not for people who use the = digest version. Some of us actually want to minimize the number of = emails we receive each day...

Thanks for your time :)
=
"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"



= --Apple-Mail-2--347768285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:54:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443563BF45; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sKi3CgSLmLx1pY7GYhb61HT5rPimMrLCs6r4LPU3L+HEKuawNmolWlENTytlEl/mwAf7aySg7EOT26qV41enA8BQlmGQb8KT5jFLCVckQCLYhLPBUXEawAiq78cS1CYKYfJ67xkBHsmSy1U3t4zyLzY1WSHJ2+ccPw80DMa0cbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XgRrVBtfzQcdJeFqlme+i4bmuOKMnNrJv2r5YxW0EUZ6NyU3MRWZRALo68D8qBEjhAb75fELKLfP7KjasxuJoEsPx4V2Tw90RwGWpeFhSQKXiFExNP9RNQRxdgwv6KW9i8K6QIwNd3Z/PDzez+Z+CE6SE1cnmamIYu7OlW3O2FI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:54:54 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <1-lao.A.GnG._Dc1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) I think you mean you had "two and a half big ones".... On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now for > free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have > always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the > planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x > kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to > twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement > would have been more RAM. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 18:55:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E983BF6D; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a8801c7ea6e$25e1ddd0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007701c7ea63$70f477c0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <902432F7-CDCD-4C93-8DFF-3F91D79DAC9A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:55:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Mee too. It takes so very little effort me to delete a message or entire thread. It really means nothing to me if a discussion group has a burst of OT topics. It takes me 1 second to view them, control mouse click all of them, and delete in no time. Are folks who don't do this just compelled to read every single message that comes in their inbox? I'd bet at the computer 24 hours a day, if that were the case for me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? On 29 aug 2007, at 19.38, Warren Sirota wrote: > I haven’t chimed in yet, and I *have* signed up for the OT list, but I > gotta say, I don’t like the idea of a separate list. For me, this list is > mostly about communicating with a bunch of interesting people who I > occasionally have the pleasure of meeting FTF, and keeping up with my > friends’ mp3s, videos and opinions. I valued the book topic. Every day, I > delete huge ranges of messages – but viewing them by conversation makes > this really easy. I don’t keep up with any other community, really, not > having the time. To me, the OT stuff tends to be more interesting than > the long threads on equipment that I don’t have or use. My view is close to Warrens here. So in order to keep up with everything without having to bother about separate lists I have them both filtered into the same mail box. Recommended! I don't need to know which list a certain thread is coming from, I just delete or read-write-reply. My replies goes out to the same list they came from. A true victory for mail filtering and separate mails subscription! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:02:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCA83BF9C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RUyFOARf1kjikUp93JHM6nrC9IIabuNh0K8hGx5OFhkDl/c26+M/ITHXgehcd1BonsM0m/DVnqBhJAsMP6cphQjqLQDbFgvnaBWKv2GkX6AbQloYNqTjVz1WTv2yusXbf7BXu+wmQQBEhpWH0LFulG+PM1gbD0Jb2pSJgOsem34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X3U06NUFqUyeju3SQA5wvuWXP3m+m0hahi4u2LBrYbsvJV9/iF2z0Ht5Ea2bbdAi/L59HW47bjYWzgWLzArO34lUkzCY6bRX8fLnmu4Mwvu8farlbzHbYmSf1pqmt3S+rg/8GBSBJgspGO92tamG+E1tXOFUuv7swHolCD56mSs= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:02:27 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1746_18129501.1188414147355" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:02:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1746_18129501.1188414147355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I must chime in here for just a moment... I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before... Now I know why... Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS... So using Boot Camp, I installed windows... I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, WHAT an obtuse operating system. I'm wasting time just FINDING things... so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say about this platform. I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay... I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez... t. ... On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > Kris > I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's > ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some > of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of > myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no > specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram. > > I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, the > optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get > pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question. > > The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC > laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from > the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more > money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is > black n white superior? Hmmm? > > What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot? > > Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add > Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ? > > If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now > for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have > always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the > planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x > kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to > twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement > would have been more RAM. > > bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me > > In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > khartung@cableone.net writes: > > > IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above > average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a > PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. > > *I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO > ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases > where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm > sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational > context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play.* > > The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is > superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is > strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) > > *Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 > laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do you > mean by superior?* > > Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal > opinion based on limited experience. > > *You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another based > on an incorrect assumption? :)* > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1746_18129501.1188414147355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I must chime in here for just a moment...

I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before...

Now I know why...

Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS...

So using Boot Camp, I installed windows...

I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, WHAT an obtuse operating system.  I'm wasting time just FINDING things...

so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say about this platform.  I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay...

I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...

t.


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On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com> wrote:
Kris
I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram.
 
I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question.
 
The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ?
 
If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM.
 
bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes:
 
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM.  What do you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1746_18129501.1188414147355-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:02:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19FBD3BFA2; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:02:35 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188414155" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:02:51 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188414155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:55:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: I think you mean you had "two and a half big ones".... nope, I'm poor! I MEAN 2500 big ones. Every dollar counts. ;-) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188414155 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:55:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 travishartnett@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I think=20 you mean you had "two and a half big ones"....
nope, I'm poor! I MEAN 2500 big ones. Every dollar counts.=20 ;-)



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<= /HTML> -------------------------------1188414155-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:03:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89D2C3BFB3; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=B/kDVrwWVz3VTSFo+y4rBOdx8OnR8Vmhz6L+eQ1GtEXTfHl687aE2JvdAOY3EbPHFZy6rWiPLuwuiCNtjzUN3MGqEv8e8CdwWlJF1QvzvkcmcASOn/il+TvRqqRHoaqb9vAB54mH4hjSBfks1MC0rK91npRb0/mTAsYOB1Z2YcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rWlJ5NQbtoeglEvBFAd0Cn47MHiW9b+GxRrSPJ7UhTgzMXd2NVh2XU4UeHWG4VOkkvutFdBhruOdg1TEn2c72zDeJDjATfyGOd7lFZ8JruHIg+H5oGvUkwBUUgIGqZwNu6CE8XQrZ3T0bPUjQQccqjn7ve/lk1lM1/ApdLhusGI= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291203o67230c26s662ddf722a826155@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:03:46 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1748_22518882.1188414226435" References: <200708291827.l7TIRwFw014845@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: <1Fse3D.A.3XH.UMc1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:03:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1748_22518882.1188414226435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is an idea... can we possibly label this conversation as OT: so I can filter it out? t. On 8/29/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > "What is the Looper's Delight Mailing list? What types of things are > discussed on it? > > Loopers Delight is a forum for discussing loops and loop based music. > For posting, make sure you send to > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com. > > There isn't much that is considered off-topic, but it should somehow > relate to looping if you don't want to irritate people. Past, present > and future topics include looping devices and setups (Oberheim > Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man and Vortex, Boomerang, samplers, MIDI, > effects, mixers, speakers, etc). We've also had threads about > improvisation, creativity, books, recordings, computers, Torn, Fripp, > Eno , DJs, ambient, industrial, minimalist music, hip hop, drum and > bass, Indian Classical music, sequencing, looping theory and > philosophy, etc., etc. You name it, we've probably discussed it." > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1748_22518882.1188414226435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is an idea... can we possibly label this conversation as OT:  so I can filter it out?

t.


On 8/29/07, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
"What is the Looper's Delight Mailing list? What types of things are
discussed on it?

Loopers Delight is a forum for discussing loops and loop based music.
For posting, make sure you send to
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com .

There isn't much that is considered off-topic, but it should somehow
relate to looping if you don't want to irritate people. Past, present
and future topics include looping devices and setups (Oberheim
Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man and Vortex, Boomerang, samplers, MIDI,
effects, mixers, speakers, etc). We've also had threads about
improvisation, creativity, books, recordings, computers, Torn, Fripp,
Eno , DJs, ambient, industrial, minimalist music, hip hop, drum and
bass, Indian Classical music, sequencing, looping theory and
philosophy, etc., etc. You name it, we've probably discussed it."




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1748_22518882.1188414226435-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:04:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4EC63BFBD; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mLFYfx1v+rDXE5gQkkJp2ZxKpQ74h6vgI7ySwpD0WtVAUg1nPv/21T1tNYsoyt61G+Y5ljWlEr66ibOYaCD40pfct6eiEjMzZK/m7tOk/9fqKId9C8fwMLDqqJWcppaLC1KyPD+EGysRFPUpdpPp0hzmHeTj6c1f4SzZdFnX6oU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XvQpjde1YSKDOUyKy8bWJsrhz8t+B16GtqcZJRpqs0AbpHSzszcGN4rS+/CoYfRY1gNe1C6SiJUz3SZVcXZX3cjUvKibDO9yGpI5RB9tUvR7p7HodvrG3B3D0O7G9QOsbGRS7bGCPuHoLYO0IPmiHN5xAtxpSIQu+zG2Cp7s4mk= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291204p2fc255efqdb345f3594d98ff0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:04:16 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? In-Reply-To: <4759e5740708291203o67230c26s662ddf722a826155@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1749_27319558.1188414256430" References: <200708291827.l7TIRwFw014845@minds-eye.org> <4759e5740708291203o67230c26s662ddf722a826155@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:04:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1749_27319558.1188414256430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline sorry, without a big smiley grin that could have seemed harsh, sorry... (big smiley grin) t. On 8/29/07, todd reynolds wrote: > > Here is an idea... can we possibly label this conversation as OT: so I > can filter it out? > > t. > > > On 8/29/07, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "What is the Looper's Delight Mailing list? What types of things are > > discussed on it? > > > > Loopers Delight is a forum for discussing loops and loop based music. > > For posting, make sure you send to > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com . > > > > There isn't much that is considered off-topic, but it should somehow > > relate to looping if you don't want to irritate people. Past, present > > and future topics include looping devices and setups (Oberheim > > Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man and Vortex, Boomerang, samplers, MIDI, > > effects, mixers, speakers, etc). We've also had threads about > > improvisation, creativity, books, recordings, computers, Torn, Fripp, > > Eno , DJs, ambient, industrial, minimalist music, hip hop, drum and > > bass, Indian Classical music, sequencing, looping theory and > > philosophy, etc., etc. You name it, we've probably discussed it." > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1749_27319558.1188414256430 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline sorry, without a big smiley grin that could have seemed harsh, sorry...

(big smiley grin)

t.


On 8/29/07, todd reynolds < toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is an idea... can we possibly label this conversation as OT:  so I can filter it out?

t.



On 8/29/07, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
"What is the Looper's Delight Mailing list? What types of things are
discussed on it?

Loopers Delight is a forum for discussing loops and loop based music.
For posting, make sure you send to
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com .

There isn't much that is considered off-topic, but it should somehow
relate to looping if you don't want to irritate people. Past, present
and future topics include looping devices and setups (Oberheim
Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man and Vortex, Boomerang, samplers, MIDI,
effects, mixers, speakers, etc). We've also had threads about
improvisation, creativity, books, recordings, computers, Torn, Fripp,
Eno , DJs, ambient, industrial, minimalist music, hip hop, drum and
bass, Indian Classical music, sequencing, looping theory and
philosophy, etc., etc. You name it, we've probably discussed it."




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1749_27319558.1188414256430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:29:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F7F3BF6F; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:29:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0AB3_01C7EA40.A2569BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:29:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0AB3_01C7EA40.A2569BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hear you Todd. There will be some trade-offs. The first time I got on = a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive. = It was like the interface was so simple, that I was crippled. Of course, = mac users make comments about PC/XP when they use them for the first = time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the fact that = there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you want = you can really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, etc. I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook = pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I must chime in here for just a moment...=20 I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other = words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before...=20 Now I know why...=20 Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed = another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use = MOBIUS...=20 So using Boot Camp, I installed windows...=20 I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, = WHAT an obtuse operating system. I'm wasting time just FINDING = things...=20 so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are = dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already = questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT = say about this platform. I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and = conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm = okay...=20 I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...=20 t. ...=20 On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: Kris I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with = it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic = for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got = WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there = were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig = of ram.=20 I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference = to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, = you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No = question.=20 The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent = optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer = performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a = hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what = are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm?=20 What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?=20 Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and = add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo = ? If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right = now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and = I have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer = on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my = MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had = to spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. = The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM. bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! = Peace,me In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = khartung@cableone.net writes: IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above = average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether = a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.=20 I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? = POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven = all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a = blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this = seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of = systematic relativity at play. The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro = user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. = This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 = laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do = you mean by superior?=20 Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely = personal opinion based on limited experience. You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to = another based on an incorrect assumption? :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0AB3_01C7EA40.A2569BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hear you Todd.  There will be = some=20 trade-offs. The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out = how to=20 find a file or the hard-drive. It was like the interface was so simple, = that I=20 was crippled. Of course, mac users make comments about PC/XP when they = use them=20 for the first time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the = fact=20 that there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you = want you=20 can really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, = etc.
 
I hope I can make it all past this when = I get my=20 macbook pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a = new=20 mac.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 I=20 must chime in here for just a moment...

I just got my first=20 MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never = ventured=20 toward windows in my life before...

Now I know why... =

Granted,=20 my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another machine = anyway,=20 but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS...

So = using Boot=20 Camp, I installed windows...

I'm still progressing toward = getting it=20 working smoothly, but, my god, WHAT an obtuse operating system.  = I'm=20 wasting time just FINDING things...

so I realize I'm not = addressing=20 the performance angle you guys are dealing with, but I've already = wasted=20 enough time that I'm already questioning whether using MOBIUS is time=20 efficient, so what does THAT say about this platform.  I've heard = plenty=20 of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), = but so=20 far, of course, i'm okay...

I know, I know, I'll figure it = out, but=20 jeez...

t.


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On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com = <BreachinThePeace@aol.com>= =20 wrote:
Kris
I am running around = work here=20 today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. Sorry, = but the=20 old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the younger = member's=20 fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I = do=20 apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no specialized = or=20 optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram.
 
I was referring to, = and without=20 making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs for around = 2000.00=20 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything = you want=20 if you have enough money. No question.
 
The point is the = fact you can=20 get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops for 2K = and=20 where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the Mac = Book Pros=20 right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more money = (roughly=20 twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is black n = white=20 superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these = magic Macs do that=20 comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the majority = of audio=20 software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later once = the=20 Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ?
 
If I could have any = laptop that I=20 am personally familiar with right now for free, it would be the = grand daddy=20 Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, they are the = most=20 quality mass production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had = 2500.00=20 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for = a system=20 that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any = better a=20 system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more=20 RAM.
 
bye, back to work, = hope I didn't=20 botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard = Time, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:
  
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to = above=20 average musician/dj/music related application stand = point to=20 using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. =
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you = sure?=20 POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've = disproven all possible cases where there could be an advantage? = That seems=20 like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, = but=20 this seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot = of=20 systematic relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac = Book Pro=20 user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar = with. This=20 is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig = Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right = now and=20 buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of = RAM. =20 What do you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely = personal=20 opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is = "Superior" to=20 another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 



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toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0AB3_01C7EA40.A2569BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:49:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ABCB3BF65; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CwpjKwI+p7bGT0JundfuoAVLF5C+G1QA1BNc+WSzlZls4D25wGdBTCgC+YClk+6I+Hsa66RVHrpxj8x6tklCxQJyMgzyYMn70icgMKSDAmvxcga691WSShXKoNMl/R8D7law9aNjuW2VQREXScw8L/odvUsDrNZkcoiphTUbsiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c59egS3KMAa9jpW05/GlHYEkYVhiyVp4KpvzzkD7z0GLzqrbDb63eOYq4A4OxrAylJOU7SMNTZaID5Xx8k/c2kJ+FiJJB1AyMeNdknrdtyjxUVTdv3sNP6mDpZfnFL2i6CrrAxWsP2rjUzdaFkqmMXSmWU+S48kk8LzptwYDdY8= Message-ID: <3fa302e30708291249x7cbaed0btbe92f9ffa2df48d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:49:51 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list In-Reply-To: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070829173409.660E43BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:49:53 +0000 (UTC) The problem for me arises when a topic that starts on topic devolves to ot. Do you switch lists? Who decides? It's just easier to hit delete, and way easy to put OT in the subject line. I've been here 10+ years and seen this issue come up repeatedly. It's actually been tried a few times with little success. On 8/29/07, David Steinberg wrote: > > De : Mikkoz > > Date : 29 ao=FBt 2007 18:47:15 HAEC > > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Objet : R=E9p : Keeping the off-topic off the list ? > > > > > > As a long-time reader here, I'm wary of separate lists which > > require wandering off to a new location. > > Well, only once : to subscribe to the list. After that : it's a > mailing list, which means that (if you choose so), the content > arrives directly in your inbox. And if, like Per, you want to have > both lists unseparated, the answer is just one email filter away... :) > > > I also like the self-regulating aspect of LD. > > I, and others , do not. Honestly, it's not self-regulated. I've been > subscribed to lots of mailing lists, and this one is definitely one > of the most verbose and off-topic-prone. Do you ever wonder why > people regularly send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list ? > People unsub because of the off-topic traffic. I know this, I've done > it several times (and, yes, I eventually came back each time because > the information that circulates on this list can't be found anywhere > else). > > That's not to say that what's in the off-topic mails is rubbish, of > course. From what I've seen, it's usually full of interesting things, > but, and this is the important point that some people here don't seem > to quite process, it's not what we signed for. > > It's simple : people who subscribe to this list are interested in > reading and sharing informations about loopers and looping music, and > tangent subjects such as the instruments used, etc. are also of > interest to most of them. But that's it. While reading lists and > discussions about movies are things that I can certainly enjoy, they > become annoying when they represent more emails than subjects about > music-making and instruments... > > That's why I think that another list could be a good thing. Of > course, it can only work if most of the "usual posters" here do agree > about this and use it. > > As I said, I had the experience of Analogue Heaven and Analogue > Heaven Off Topic some years ago and, as RevFever said "AHOT took the > heat off of Analogue Heaven and everyone became happy campers again". > AH and LD are similar lists : lots of subscribers, some "heavy > posters", and lots of people interested in lots of things besides > their electronic noisemakers. The main difference is perhaps that the > source of off-topic posts is rarely flamewars here, which is a good > thing... :) > > > I think OT in the subject line is enough. -m > > Not for people who use the digest version. Some of us actually want > to minimize the number of emails we receive each day... > > Thanks for your time :) > > > "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" > > > > --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 19:50:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7EF3BF0F; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hqx/5IY1trIP++45iB7+c4fTu+QsM2B9B5e8RYIo2ZSoJrYeJE/P4yj4Z5s1kRfzyn6ZfTmZOai8EDCctOlOqY/4ES65bawC9JWfIApK5zywlDpiAUV57/vieGM5lQlf3wuE3V5CDg9Pugu5fORH/QzRgwi07K5XiCGKjCHKwMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dLhC0l9ekSsyZntOOnmdrFlvMySf202FmVP3GzbktKE5JpVCLWekrPvwoN9T/rnuOQWfy3C9BBu/z8UwLOdGHv9sImG5wDVgLM+g8JLUQxIBF4nlEBNSuxFA/7IFEVbVHq8PL8QtuXb9szjdN0BCvUcN5fmAnoovb9PTpsJ97lQ= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291250l4501168ejf39896fe6e58718f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:50:52 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1848_7852385.1188417052738" References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0DEnkD.A.cpB.f4c1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:50:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1848_7852385.1188417052738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline couple ideas for you as far as that goes... i got a 15 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no complaint, just wanted to try something different... so there was some money off right there... (plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer a little, just running it with a small touch screen, that's my next goal, so smaller is better anyway.. ) next, I've started buying refurbished directly from the apple store... i'll let you know how this works, but my best friend has had no problems doing this for years... the machines have been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore are not just off the factory line. I save 300 there as well which covers my applecare costs which are still available even and especially since it's refurbished... my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare. I think you are going to be a particular power user cuz you have all the windows stuff under your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using a freeway for you... So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to me (like i haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my audio from the windows partition from now on... crazy... Let's see what Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though... thanks for the empathy, however... t. On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I hear you Todd. There will be some trade-offs. The first time I got on > a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive. It > was like the interface was so simple, that I was crippled. Of course, mac > users make comments about PC/XP when they use them for the first > time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the fact that there > are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you want you can > really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, etc. > > I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook pro...otherwise, > I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I must chime in here for just a moment... > > I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. > I've never ventured toward windows in my life before... > > Now I know why... > > Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another > machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS... > > So using Boot Camp, I installed windows... > > I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, > WHAT an obtuse operating system. I'm wasting time just FINDING things... > > so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are dealing > with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already questioning > whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say about this > platform. I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like > Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay... > > I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez... > > t. > > > ... > > > > On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > > > Kris > > I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's > > ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some > > of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of > > myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no > > specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram. > > > > I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, > > the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you > > can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question. > > > > > > The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized > > PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance > > from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot > > more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting > > that is black n white superior? Hmmm? > > > > What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot? > > > > Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add > > Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ? > > > > If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now > > for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have > > always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the > > planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC > > M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close > > to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY > > improvement would have been more RAM. > > > > bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me > > > > In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > khartung@cableone.net writes: > > > > > > IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above > > average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a > > PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. > > > > *I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO > > ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases > > where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm > > sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational > > context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play.* > > > > The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is > > superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is > > strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) > > > > *Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 > > laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do you > > mean by superior?* > > > > Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal > > opinion based on limited experience. > > > > *You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another > > based on an incorrect assumption? :)* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > > . > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1848_7852385.1188417052738 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline couple ideas for you as far as that goes...

i got a 15 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no complaint, just wanted to try something different...

so there was some money off right there...

(plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer a little, just running it with a small touch screen, that's my next goal, so smaller is better anyway.. )

next, I've started buying refurbished directly from the apple store... i'll let you know how this works, but my best friend has had no problems doing this for years...

the machines have been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore are not just off the factory line.  I save 300 there as well which covers my applecare costs which are still available even and especially since it's refurbished...

my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare.

I think you are going to be a particular power user cuz you have all the windows stuff under your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using a freeway for you...

So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to me (like i haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my audio from the windows partition from now on... crazy...

Let's see what Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though...

thanks for the empathy, however...

t.




On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net > wrote:
I hear you Todd.  There will be some trade-offs. The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive. It was like the interface was so simple, that I was crippled. Of course, mac users make comments about PC/XP when they use them for the first time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the fact that there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you want you can really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, etc.
 
I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
I must chime in here for just a moment...

I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before...

Now I know why...

Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS...

So using Boot Camp, I installed windows...

I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, WHAT an obtuse operating system.  I'm wasting time just FINDING things...

so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say about this platform.  I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay...

I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...

t.


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On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com < BreachinThePeace@aol.com> wrote:
Kris
I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram.
 
I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question.
 
The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ?
 
If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM.
 
bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes:
 
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM.  What do you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1848_7852385.1188417052738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:00:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93EB93BF08; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740708291250l4501168ejf39896fe6e58718f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:00:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0ADB_01C7EA44.FA9DF4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0ADB_01C7EA44.FA9DF4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any discount I can get is great. I will seriously consider this advise. = $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, and priced out = a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of RAM, = the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about = $3600. My mother is an educator, so she could knock that down to $3300 = if she bought the unit for me, since it is around my birth day when I = planned on buying it. :) Do I really need that faster hard drive though? I agree, Mobius is the shit. I was never able to get it running as a VST = in MAX....couldn't controll it via MIDI like I do with Reaktor. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: im about to start a war couple ideas for you as far as that goes...=20 i got a 15 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no = complaint, just wanted to try something different...=20 so there was some money off right there...=20 (plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer a little, just = running it with a small touch screen, that's my next goal, so smaller is = better anyway.. ) next, I've started buying refurbished directly from the apple store... = i'll let you know how this works, but my best friend has had no problems = doing this for years...=20 the machines have been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore = are not just off the factory line. I save 300 there as well which = covers my applecare costs which are still available even and especially = since it's refurbished...=20 my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare. I think you are going to be a particular power user cuz you have all = the windows stuff under your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using = a freeway for you... So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to me (like i = haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my audio = from the windows partition from now on... crazy...=20 Let's see what Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though...=20 thanks for the empathy, however...=20 t. On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: I hear you Todd. There will be some trade-offs. The first time I = got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the = hard-drive. It was like the interface was so simple, that I was = crippled. Of course, mac users make comments about PC/XP when they use = them for the first time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated = by the fact that there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and = that if you want you can really f*ck up the machine by digging into = system files, etc. I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook = pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 I must chime in here for just a moment...=20 I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other = words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before...=20 Now I know why...=20 Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed = another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use = MOBIUS...=20 So using Boot Camp, I installed windows...=20 I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my = god, WHAT an obtuse operating system. I'm wasting time just FINDING = things...=20 so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are = dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already = questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT = say about this platform. I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and = conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm = okay...=20 I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...=20 t. ...=20 On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com < BreachinThePeace@aol.com> = wrote:=20 Kris I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken = with it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too = graphic for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just = got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there = were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig = of ram.=20 I was referring to, and without making any intelligible = reference to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial = post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough = money. No question.=20 The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent = optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer = performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a = hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what = are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm?=20 What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?=20 Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs = and add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening = crescendo ? If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with = right now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No = question and I have always stated, they are the most quality mass = production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones = and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that = I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any better a = system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM. bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! = Peace,me In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = khartung@cableone.net writes: IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above = average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether = a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.=20 I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? = POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven = all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a = blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this = seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of = systematic relativity at play. The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book = Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. = This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and = buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. = What do you mean by superior?=20 Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely = personal opinion based on limited experience. You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to = another based on an incorrect assumption? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com=20 --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0ADB_01C7EA44.FA9DF4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any discount I can get is = great.  I will=20 seriously consider this advise. $2300 is a good price! I went directly = to=20 the Apple site, and priced out a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz = duo core,=20 and then added 4gig of RAM, the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple = care...all=20 added up to about $3600. My mother is an educator, so she could knock = that down=20 to $3300 if she bought the unit for me, since it is around my birth day = when I=20 planned on buying it. :)
 
Do I really need that faster hard drive = though?
 
I agree, Mobius is the shit. I was = never able to=20 get it running as a VST in MAX....couldn't controll it via MIDI like I = do with=20 Reaktor.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 todd = reynolds=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, = 2007 1:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: im about to start = a=20 war

couple ideas for you as far as that goes...

i = got a 15=20 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no complaint, = just=20 wanted to try something different...

so there was some money = off right=20 there...

(plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer = a=20 little, just running it with a small touch screen, that's my next = goal, so=20 smaller is better anyway.. )

next, I've started buying = refurbished=20 directly from the apple store... i'll let you know how this works, but = my best=20 friend has had no problems doing this for years...

the = machines have=20 been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore are not just off = the=20 factory line.  I save 300 there as well which covers my applecare = costs=20 which are still available even and especially since it's = refurbished...=20

my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare.

I think you = are=20 going to be a particular power user cuz you have all the windows stuff = under=20 your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using a freeway for=20 you...

So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to = me=20 (like i haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my = audio=20 from the windows partition from now on... crazy...

Let's see = what=20 Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though...

thanks for = the=20 empathy, however...

t.




On 8/29/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net=20 > wrote:
I hear you Todd.  There will = be some=20 trade-offs. The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure = out how to=20 find a file or the hard-drive. It was like the interface was so = simple, that=20 I was crippled. Of course, mac users make comments about PC/XP when = they use=20 them for the first time...having difficulty finding things, = frustrated by=20 the fact that there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and = that if=20 you want you can really f*ck up the machine by digging into system = files,=20 etc.
 
I hope I can make it all past this = when I get=20 my macbook pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 = on a=20 new mac.
 
Kris
 
----- = Original=20 Message -----

 
I=20 must chime in here for just a moment...

I just got my = first=20 MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never = ventured=20 toward windows in my life before...

Now I know why...=20

Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i = needed=20 another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally = use=20 MOBIUS...

So using Boot Camp, I installed windows... =

I'm=20 still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, = WHAT an=20 obtuse operating system.  I'm wasting time just FINDING = things...=20

so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you = guys are=20 dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already = questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does = THAT say=20 about this platform.  I've heard plenty of stories about = drivers and=20 conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm = okay...=20

I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...=20

t.


...



On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com < BreachinThePeace@aol.com> wrote:=20
Kris
I am running = around work here=20 today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. = Sorry, but=20 the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the = younger=20 member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of = myself=20 and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically = no=20 specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram. =
 
I was referring = to, and=20 without making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs = for=20 around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get = pretty=20 much anything you want if you have enough money. No question.=20
 
The point is = the fact you can=20 get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops = for 2K and=20 where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the = Mac Book=20 Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more = money=20 (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting = that is=20 black n white superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these = magic Macs do=20 that comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the = majority of audio=20 software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later = once the=20 Mac attack reaches a deafening = crescendo ?
 
If I could have = any laptop=20 that I am personally familiar with right now for free, it would = be the=20 grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, = they are=20 the most quality mass production computer on the planet. Only = thing, I=20 had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum = serious=20 tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice = that for=20 to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement = would have=20 been more RAM.
 
bye, back to = work, hope I=20 didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard = Time, khartung@cableone.net = writes:
  
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to = above=20 average musician/dj/music related application stand = point to=20 using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly = laptops.=20
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are = you sure?=20 POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. = You've=20 disproven all possible cases where there could be an = advantage? That=20 seems like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some = contexts, but this seems like a situational context to me, = where there=20 is a lot of systematic relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the = Mac Book=20 Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently = familiar=20 with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig = PC -=20 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out = right now=20 and buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with = 4gig of=20 RAM.  What do you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is = merely=20 personal opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is = "Superior"=20 to another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
=
 
 



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toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0ADB_01C7EA44.FA9DF4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:03:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F8343BF68; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HU/n0McdY2VLo8VGAsNzxYkNQFweDhhfOn6QQ+6sgzDb/CLgMjl5RCdCKZ7BZdQ7ekE1dN71/B2utVDTbTqOnEAw+rH4sHdI/OCibVDVboWb7f+VWAyeysa7ywGky5CSVgwy4HHXC8XRW2JS23DBITsbnEdJXRq6CTdiXSCWJlw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q2kSijk3ivIc7BSXFlVwOWmqA5owstQntUjL2uUjUt7MwO5rzWQ1IP1/y1iNah1y0/hn1OHT8kNKowHd+59LOPlRPGeOcnbkMlGna1NwY+FPMKhJI/ORLfkWA4Y/vyxgCyx6S0YZtS3E4A2uMTzgE0KI0gQkqWU05PzctrCsQ8c= Message-ID: <4759e5740708291303q478792abx7a15b11d7ed39933@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:03:07 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1884_7305820.1188417787692" References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740708291250l4501168ejf39896fe6e58718f@mail.gmail.com> <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1884_7305820.1188417787692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i think a 7200 rpm is a good bet, but mostly if you're going to be recording large chunks and multiple tracks of audio... otherwise 5400 is fine... and the other thing is, you can always use an external 7200 and that's better ANYway... t. On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Any discount I can get is great. I will seriously consider this advise. > $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, and priced out a > macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of RAM, the > larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about $3600. My > mother is an educator, so she could knock that down to $3300 if she bought > the unit for me, since it is around my birth day when I planned on buying > it. :) > > Do I really need that faster hard drive though? > > I agree, Mobius is the shit. I was never able to get it running as a VST > in MAX....couldn't controll it via MIDI like I do with Reaktor. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* todd reynolds > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: im about to start a war > > couple ideas for you as far as that goes... > > i got a 15 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no > complaint, just wanted to try something different... > > so there was some money off right there... > > (plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer a little, just > running it with a small touch screen, that's my next goal, so smaller is > better anyway.. ) > > next, I've started buying refurbished directly from the apple store... > i'll let you know how this works, but my best friend has had no problems > doing this for years... > > the machines have been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore are > not just off the factory line. I save 300 there as well which covers my > applecare costs which are still available even and especially since it's > refurbished... > > my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare. > > I think you are going to be a particular power user cuz you have all the > windows stuff under your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using a > freeway for you... > > So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to me (like i > haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my audio from > the windows partition from now on... crazy... > > Let's see what Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though... > > thanks for the empathy, however... > > t. > > > > > On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > I hear you Todd. There will be some trade-offs. The first time I got > > on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive. > > It was like the interface was so simple, that I was crippled. Of course, mac > > users make comments about PC/XP when they use them for the first > > time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the fact that there > > are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you want you can > > really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, etc. > > > > I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook > > pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > I must chime in here for just a moment... > > > > I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. > > I've never ventured toward windows in my life before... > > > > Now I know why... > > > > Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another > > machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS... > > > > So using Boot Camp, I installed windows... > > > > I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, > > WHAT an obtuse operating system. I'm wasting time just FINDING things... > > > > so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are > > dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already > > questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say > > about this platform. I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and > > conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay... > > > > I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez... > > > > t. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com < BreachinThePeace@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > Kris > > > I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with > > > it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for > > > some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead > > > of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no > > > specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram. > > > > > > I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, > > > the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you > > > can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question. > > > > > > > > > The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized > > > PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance > > > from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot > > > more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting > > > that is black n white superior? Hmmm? > > > > > > What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot? > > > > > > Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and > > > add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ? > > > > > > If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right > > > now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I > > > have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on > > > the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my > > > MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to > > > spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The > > > ONLY improvement would have been more RAM. > > > > > > bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me > > > > > > In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > khartung@cableone.net writes: > > > > > > > > > IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above > > > average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a > > > PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops. > > > > > > *I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY > > > NO ADVANTAGE is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible > > > cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket > > > statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a > > > situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at > > > play.* > > > > > > The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user > > > is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is > > > strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac) > > > > > > *Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 > > > laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM. What do you > > > mean by superior?* > > > > > > Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal > > > opinion based on limited experience. > > > > > > *You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another > > > based on an incorrect assumption? :)* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > > ------------------------------------------------------|: > > 917.576.6166 > > todd@toddreynolds.com > > toddreyn@gmail.com > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1884_7305820.1188417787692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i think a 7200 rpm is a good bet, but mostly if you're going to be recording large chunks and multiple tracks of audio... otherwise 5400 is fine...

and the other thing is, you can always use an external 7200 and that's better ANYway...

t.


On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Any discount I can get is great.  I will seriously consider this advise. $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, and priced out a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of RAM, the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about $3600. My mother is an educator, so she could knock that down to $3300 if she bought the unit for me, since it is around my birth day when I planned on buying it. :)
 
Do I really need that faster hard drive though?
 
I agree, Mobius is the shit. I was never able to get it running as a VST in MAX....couldn't controll it via MIDI like I do with Reaktor.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: im about to start a war

couple ideas for you as far as that goes...

i got a 15 inch, cuz i've carried a 17inch for the past 3 years... no complaint, just wanted to try something different...

so there was some money off right there...

(plus i'm beginning to deal with hiding the computer a little, just running it with a small touch screen, that's my next goal, so smaller is better anyway.. )

next, I've started buying refurbished directly from the apple store... i'll let you know how this works, but my best friend has had no problems doing this for years...

the machines have been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and therefore are not just off the factory line.  I save 300 there as well which covers my applecare costs which are still available even and especially since it's refurbished...

my macbookpro cost me 2300 with applecare.

I think you are going to be a particular power user cuz you have all the windows stuff under your belt.. so using bootcamp will be like using a freeway for you...

So far, however, Mobius is looking so very impressive to me (like i haven't known that from all you guys) that I may be running my audio from the windows partition from now on... crazy...

Let's see what Jesse comes up with in his new SL edition though...

thanks for the empathy, however...

t.




On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net > wrote:
I hear you Todd.  There will be some trade-offs. The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive. It was like the interface was so simple, that I was crippled. Of course, mac users make comments about PC/XP when they use them for the first time...having difficulty finding things, frustrated by the fact that there are 10 different ways to do the same thing, and that if you want you can really f*ck up the machine by digging into system files, etc.
 
I hope I can make it all past this when I get my macbook pro...otherwise, I'll really be regretting spending $3600 on a new mac.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
I must chime in here for just a moment...

I just got my first MacBookPro, my first Intel machine, in other words.. I've never ventured toward windows in my life before...

Now I know why...

Granted, my old warhorse is starting to fall apart, so i needed another machine anyway, but I'm most excited to be able to finally use MOBIUS...

So using Boot Camp, I installed windows...

I'm still progressing toward getting it working smoothly, but, my god, WHAT an obtuse operating system.  I'm wasting time just FINDING things...

so I realize I'm not addressing the performance angle you guys are dealing with, but I've already wasted enough time that I'm already questioning whether using MOBIUS is time efficient, so what does THAT say about this platform.  I've heard plenty of stories about drivers and conflicts ( like Kris has mentioned ), but so far, of course, i'm okay...

I know, I know, I'll figure it out, but jeez...

t.


...



On 8/29/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com < BreachinThePeace@aol.com> wrote:
Kris
I am running around work here today (in a loop) like a chicken with it's ass on fire. Sorry, but the old "head cut off" is a bit too graphic for some of the younger member's fragile sensibilities. I just got WAAAAY ahead of myself and I do apologize. Last time I checked there were practically no specialized or optimized music PCs with over 2 gig of ram.
 
I was referring to, and without making any intelligible reference to, the optimized PCs for around 2000.00 USD per my initial post. Yep, you can get pretty much anything you want if you have enough money. No question.
 
The point is the fact you can get VERY capable and excellent optimized PC laptops for 2K and where as (unlike PCs) you can get killer performance from the Mac Book Pros right out of the box, it will cost a hell of a lot more money (roughly twice). Other than 4gig of RAM, what are you getting that is black n white superior? Hmmm? 
 
What can these magic Macs do that comparable PCs cannot?
 
Why do the majority of audio software developers start with PCs and add Mac drivers later once the Mac attack reaches a deafening crescendo ?
 
If I could have any laptop that I am personally familiar with right now for free, it would be the grand daddy Mac Book Pro. No question and I have always stated, they are the most quality mass production computer on the planet. Only thing, I had 2500.00 big ones and I must say, my MusicXPC M4x kicks sum serious tail for a system that I would have had to spend close to twice that for to get any better a system at the time. The ONLY improvement would have been more RAM.
 
bye, back to work, hope I didn't botch this one up too much! Peace,me
 
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:02:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes:
 
IMO, there is POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE from an average to above average musician/dj/music related application stand point to using ether a PC or Mac unless you are talking strictly laptops.
 
I thought we were talking laptops here, but are you sure? POSITIVELY NO ADVANTAGE  is a very strong phrase, man. You've disproven all possible cases where there could be an advantage? That seems like a blanket statement. I'm sure it is correct in some contexts, but this seems like a situational context to me, where there is a lot of systematic relativity at play.
 
The hardware as is currently made available to the Mac Book Pro user is superior to any PC laptop that I am currently familiar with. This is strictly based on their capacity for RAM. (2gig PC - 4gig Mac)
 
Heh? What are you talking about? I can go out right now and buy 10 laptops from 10 different PC manufacturers, with 4gig of RAM.  What do you mean by superior?
 
Everything else you will hear here or on ANY forum is merely personal opinion based on limited experience.
 
You mean like saying one piece of hardware is "Superior" to another based on an incorrect assumption? :)
 
 



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1884_7305820.1188417787692-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:13:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6D6D3BF6A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070829200310.CF2033BF62@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070829200310.CF2033BF62@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--342216303 Message-Id: <7CD674EC-75CB-4AE4-A1BD-44BFF8D3F028@free.fr> From: David Steinberg Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:13:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--342216303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > De : "Krispen Hartung" > Date : 29 ao=FBt 2007 22:00:38 HAEC > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : R=E9p : im about to start a war > > > Any discount I can get is great. I will seriously consider this =20 > advise. $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, =20 > and priced out a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and =20 > then added 4gig of RAM, the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple =20 > care...all added up to about $3600. As far as the RAM is concerned, you should perhaps just get the =20 minimum RAM from Apple and buy apple-certified RAM somewhere else. Apple are known for selling their RAM for a very high price, and it's =20= particularly visible for big amounts (2*2Gigs). Their prices have =20 dropped recently compared to a few years ago, but I still would be =20 surprised if you couldn't save some money this way... But do people using software loopers here need 4 Gigs of RAM ? I've got 2 Gigs on my macbook, my PC at work has 2 Gigs too and they =20 both work very well (I work in videogames development, with many =20 applications needing lots of resources)... The VST effects/synths mainly use the processors, and even big =20 samplers or long loops won't use gigabytes of memory, or am I missing =20= something ? > Do I really need that faster hard drive though? You can also have an external firewire hard drive and use it to =20 record everything. This works quite well and allows you to have more =20 flexibility... "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-5--342216303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
De : "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>=
Date : 29 ao=FBt 2007 22:00:38 = HAEC
Objet : = R=E9p : im about to start a war


Any = discount I can get is great.=A0=A0I will seriously consider this advise. = $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the=A0Apple site, and priced = out a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of = RAM, the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about = $3600.

As far as the RAM is = concerned, you should perhaps just get the minimum RAM from Apple and = buy apple-certified RAM somewhere else.
Apple are known for = selling their RAM for a very high price, and it's particularly visible = for big amounts (2*2Gigs). Their prices have dropped recently compared = to a few years ago, but I still would be surprised if you couldn't save = some money this way...

But do people using = software loopers here need 4 Gigs of RAM ?
I've got 2 Gigs on = my macbook, my PC at work has 2 Gigs too and they both work very well (I = work in videogames development, with many applications needing lots of = resources)...

The VST effects/synths = mainly use the processors, and even big samplers or long loops won't use = gigabytes of memory, or am I missing something ?

Do I really need that = faster hard drive though?

You can also have an = external firewire hard drive and use it to record everything. This works = quite well and allows you to have more = flexibility...

</daviD>
"Simulating = the true styles and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, = selected freely by you !"

= --Apple-Mail-5--342216303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:34:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B548D3BF66; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jcLGFURStya6DQ4KHBjpl7k/P8G+JyLfpbUzeq4nW6bEq57A7cGGCJgC/a0C6xjoKrC79CrKRP7yG1MlcL9fNnlMXkAmdNUwgHfZkx/QTJkY3ZP4+zWpRyB/QsJlxwR76EJxZ916oRhjT0YKGnw6o7SSfR3Mjmo0DIyVcjbms68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TKNt5f14F2tWXGgijMqgyz7mgcmO4LePtaGYameVWjvKcCwkiLttgmO9p/lsD6uDEMTlOlLO38E4WIoGgq0ZXUz3bYFTvYlgpASzrfv9ByF2+XSMwSHAfAdiCVS+Wolv6RwsqIGxo/0g5kSJ268RHWMXvIyCszZUauEweF/p5o8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7CD674EC-75CB-4AE4-A1BD-44BFF8D3F028@free.fr> References: <20070829200310.CF2033BF62@arsenic.violacea.com> <7CD674EC-75CB-4AE4-A1BD-44BFF8D3F028@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:34:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:34:54 +0000 (UTC) On 29 aug 2007, at 22.13, David Steinberg wrote: > But do people using software loopers here need 4 Gigs of RAM ? > I've got 2 Gigs on my macbook, my PC at work has 2 Gigs too and > they both work very well I'm looping fine with 2 GB RAM in an Apple Powerbook and 1 GB RAM in my Windows XP Mobius laptop. 1 GB would be problematic in a Mac though, since OS X needs a lot of RAM (as well as free disk space, in order to keep the system optimized and the drive fast and without too much fragmentation. These are old routines brought over from UNIX, automatic maintenance processes that happen at night if you once in a while leave the Mac on when going to bed). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 20:37:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40DAF3BF75; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:37:10 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188419830" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188419830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:14:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waveform@free.fr writes: Do I really need that faster hard drive though? No question. 5400 will result in lock up if you are using the laptop to record to the hard drive and using VST simultaneously. 7200 min. You will also need an external LARGE & FAST hardrive. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188419830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:14:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 waveform@free.fr writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Do I really need that faster hard drive=20 though?
No question. 5400 will result in lock up if you are using the laptop to= =20 record to the hard drive and using VST simultaneously. 7200 min.
 
You will also need an external LARGE & FAST hardrive.
 



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In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:14:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 waveform@free.fr writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>But do=20 people using software loopers here need 4 Gigs of RAM=20 ?
If all you are doing is looping, then no., but if you are a crazed and=20 addicted RMX & Reaktor user like me....you MUST have=20 MOOOORRREEEEEEEE!!!
 
 
Honestly, seek out pretty much any current software developers with res= pect=20 to VSTi and sampling and they will readily concur that you can't have enough= =20 RAM.



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that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when = I am=20 looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same = time.=20 I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :)
 
Kris
 
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But do=20 people using software loopers here need 4 Gigs of RAM=20 ?
If all you are doing is looping, then no., but if you are a = crazed and=20 addicted RMX & Reaktor user like me....you MUST have=20 MOOOORRREEEEEEEE!!!
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0B1E_01C7EA4B.63042010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4A03BF85; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:00:35 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <46CF5F4A.5040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070829210035.306730@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070824122537.282370@gmx.net> <46CF5F4A.5040505@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-2 : First impressions (RC-2 vs. RC20XL) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9rYAsLuO96XVnV8a/notQSJjplXHXJTbeI5axhg rnf27Ui7scs5iW6KiGg3vicgJOeXSoZ+E2Bw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: EregdeVCODB6QsN6iGVMP5s9Ji9SWlL1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi Joshua I did prefer the RC-2 over RC-20XL for the following reason: I have already an RC-50 if I need all the features (i.e. Reverse). All I wanted was to have a really small and portable looper. RC-2 works great for this and seems realiable so far. Concerning MIC input, it's nice but I plan to use an FX pedal before the looper, so a direct MIC input would not help that much for me. SO, to sum it up, it is just personal taste. Check it out yourself what you need. And I would really take a look at the RC-50. It's really not that expensive anymore, a real bargain I'd say! Best rgds Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:05:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1583D3BF5D; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:05:54 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000601c7e66e$667a4a70$336edf50$@com> Message-ID: <20070829210554.306720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <082420071453.9925.46CEF0E00007D625000026C52216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <000601c7e66e$667a4a70$336edf50$@com> Subject: Re: RE: RC-2 : First impressions (ERASE loop, best practice imo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19sJkMOuQhsBujLaSltIJJ0lRrfjm5sJLYFMqexY0 seFsFveRG6CIOcy4s9k1JLPR8XUECeV4xGqQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: iujmcpIFf2IsCv5yl21o/fV4dWxlc5bS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dave & others here is how I work with the RC-2 now: - Set PHRASE to i.e. first loop (make sure it's empty first) - Play etc. then Stop the loop with double click - Turn the PHRASE LOOP knob to another loop and back to loop 1 quickly - You're set and ready for a new loop! Sure, you have to briefly bend down for a second. But then again, I've found this to be the fastest way. Best regards Buzap PS: a little Yoga helps if bending is a problem ;-) -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:25:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1AB93BF5C; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D5E43E.2030000@biink.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:25:18 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list ? References: <05428A19-7F11-45A9-B3F0-CD4237F1B478@free.fr> <09b001c7ea4d$f12825b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <74723C30-94D0-40A7-AE88-0865A6A8AA8F@ubergadget.com> <3B8526C8-D69B-4286-9183-0E1D7D9046C5@gmail.com> <3AB13A2E-1BD4-4714-9444-5C08ED70FA4E@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > > I need some incoming to set up a filter that directs the LDOTs into > the same folder as the LDs. That's pretty much what I was going to do anyway... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:25:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF6C3BF7B; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:31 +0100 Subject: Re: im about to start a war From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: im about to start a war Thread-Index: AcfqgyB8XujnVFZ2EdyAMAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3271271132_6139086" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3271271132_6139086 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Good advice from everyone here. I=B9ve bought refurb Macs in the past and the= y have been fine. David=B9s advice on RAM is spot on, go for Kingston or simila= r and you can save a fair bit. As for the amount, in my experience OS X reall= y likes as much RAM as it can get, and as upgrading from 2 to 4 GB will mean ditching what you have already invested in, I=B9d say max it out at the start= . The same thing that applies to the RAM applies to drives. I=B9d buy the stock Apple configuration and upgrade using a third-party drive. Fitting a new drive into a MBP is a doddle, they just slide right into a slot in the battery compartment. One thing to watch with external FW disks though, is the FW buss capacity. I had problems with my G4 PowerBook and a FW1814 interface. I couldn=B9t run the interface and an external drive on the same buss. I could have got a FW card buss adapter, but instead I fitted the biggest, fastest internal drive I could get, a Hitachi 7200rpm unit. This might still be an issue with the MBP line, although I haven=B9t any personal experience. See this thread for instance: http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3D317998&sid=3D3fdd6ee7db2b= 7 6ba2910b5d8a6c1f7c2 It seems the MBPs have a less capable FW buss than the MacBooks and iMacs. And as for Macs vs PCs, I have to say I=B9m a Mac user of 15 years so I=B9m biased, but only today I found another reason why I like Macs more. Apple give you a neat little utility called Migration Assistant. It enables you t= o move all of your files, apps and settings from an older Mac to a new one. This is free with the OS and it works beautifully. I needed to do the same for a PC user, so after an hour of googling I decided that Laplink=B9s PCMove= r seemed like a good bet. Except, you have to buy a once-only transfer licenc= e for each migration at $50 a pop! Hmmm.... Greg ----- Original Message ----- Any discount I can get is great. I will seriously consider this advise. $2300 is a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, and priced out a macbook pro, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of RAM, the larger 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about $3600. My mother is an educator, so she could knock that down to $3300 if she bought the unit for me, since it is around my birth day when I planned on buying it. :) Do I really need that faster hard drive though? --B_3271271132_6139086 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: im about to start a war Good = advice from everyone here. I’ve bought refurb Macs in the past and the= y have been fine. David’s advice on RAM is spot on, go for Kingston or= similar and you can save a fair bit. As for the amount, in my experience OS= X really likes as much RAM as it can get, and as upgrading from 2 to 4 GB w= ill mean ditching what you have already invested in, I’d say max it ou= t at the start.

The same thing that applies to the RAM applies to drives. I’d buy the= stock Apple configuration and upgrade using a third-party drive. Fitting a = new drive into a MBP is a doddle, they just slide right into a slot in the b= attery compartment. One thing to watch with external FW disks though, is the= FW buss capacity. I had problems with my G4 PowerBook and a FW1814 interfac= e. I couldn’t run the interface and an external drive on the same buss= . I could have got a FW card buss adapter, but instead I fitted the biggest,= fastest internal drive I could get, a Hitachi 7200rpm unit. This might stil= l be an issue with the MBP line, although I haven’t any personal exper= ience. See this thread for instance:

http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic= .php?p=3D317998&sid=3D3fdd6ee7db2b76ba2910b5d8a6c1f7c2

It seems the MBPs have a less capable FW buss than the MacBooks and iMacs.<= BR>
And as for Macs vs PCs, I have to say I’m a Mac user of 15 years so I= ’m biased, but only today I found another reason why I like Macs more.= Apple give you a neat little utility called Migration Assistant. It enables= you to move all of your files, apps and settings from an older Mac to a new= one. This is free with the OS and it works beautifully. I needed to do the = same for a PC user, so after an hour of googling I decided that Laplink̵= 7;s PCMover seemed like a good bet. Except, you have to buy a once-only tran= sfer licence for each migration at $50 a pop! Hmmm....

Greg


----- Original Message -----

Any discoun= t I can get is great.  I will seriously consider this advise. $2300 is = a good price! I went directly to the Apple site, and priced out a macbook pr= o, 15" screen, 2.4 ghz duo core, and then added 4gig of RAM, the larger= 7200rpm hardrive, and Apple care...all added up to about $3600. My mother i= s an educator, so she could knock that down to $3300 if she bought the unit = for me, since it is around my birth day when I planned on buying it. :)

Do I really need that faster hard drive though?


--B_3271271132_6139086-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:25:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 894CE3BF9D; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Goddard, Duncan" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: worlds largest collection of loopers ;) Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46D5F259.20179.299F673@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DBD9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Aug 2007 at 17:56, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > I have two repeaters & a lexicon 32s jam-man, + a 2880, a headrush, a > DL4, an echo-pro & a lot of older analogue & digital delay devices > the guitarist uses another 32s jam-man, a DL4, an echo-pro, a boss > DD-20, an ancient boss DD3, & this RC-2 he bought in a moment of > the drummer uses one of the new EH-16 second boxes. Let me know where you're playing next and which van you leave this lot in overnight ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:25:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8B33BF99; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, David Steinberg Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46D5F259.16991.299F605@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <4DFeH.A.u2F.bRe1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Aug 2007 at 20:40, David Steinberg wrote: > It's simple : people who subscribe to this list are interested in > reading and sharing informations about loopers and looping music, and > tangent subjects such as the instruments used, etc. are also of > interest to most of them. But that's it. I share this view. Whilst a social aspect helps keep things friendly and we get to know each others personalities somewhat, there's been a deal of off-topic stuff recently that I'd sooner not receive. It's a personal thing, of course. I'd be less bothered if LD delivered a proper daily digest, where I could skip quickly past OT material, but instead I get up to 5 digest messages a day and need to open each one to see if there's anything of interest within. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A600B3BF9A; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:30:41 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188423041" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:30:52 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188423041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:46:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes: that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I am looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same time. I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :) Kris It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" or "catch the curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases and a synching of hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware development dept. ever invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is justifying the cost of production vs. the extremely limited & specialized demand for such a need. I would think that graphic specialists (film/design/drafting/etc.) and audio engineers alike would go gaga over the possibility of upping maxed ram two times over. I just don't possess a shred of practical knowledge that would enable me to "see" whether this is even possible or not, but the fantastic scenario is nothing short of cool to imagine. Ahhhhh...Ignorance is bliss. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188423041 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I=20= am=20 looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same t= ime.=20 I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :)
 
Kris
It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" or "catc= h=20 the curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases and a synching of=20 hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware development=20 dept. ever invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is=20 justifying the cost of production vs. the extremely limited &=20 specialized demand for such a need. I would think that graphic speciali= sts=20 (film/design/drafting/etc.) and audio engineers alike would go gaga ove= r=20 the possibility of upping maxed ram two times over. I just don't posses= s a=20 shred of practical knowledge that would enable me to "see" whether this is e= ven=20 possible or not, but the fantastic scenario is nothing short of cool to= =20 imagine. Ahhhhh...Ignorance is bliss. 



Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------------------------1188423041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 21:48:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D921A3BF50; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Message-Id: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10401_1188424088_0" Resent-Message-ID: <3w6NOB.A.46G.Zme1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10401_1188424088_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin cities and those layovers can get real boring. I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for coming out today". Hilarious. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10401_1188424088_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin cities and those layovers can get real boring.
I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for coming out today". Hilarious.
 
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10401_1188424088_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 22:33:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782543BF50; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Jqdw8U271WCP22qHEztQfDXm6NdeOCR+E20JM2ZMNDoXYmmRqgD2C45pjK0wvNEmRS+MYIr6BnC6pHieZicsXjHDuNvipDJnGPzCl75SRRsQK9bbjZQ7zN4e/VV9g7s/oOSWlNIudXTjSSlKYEjCTRlmccQwrxFQsh69dd9aDbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A0eeRWD3DmCXxqU+BsGmRxtvmMuDEl5KEn5+9KctxBVJetjRXVAnEpYbYCdYlgDWka+CFOd/ZD5XOx7KTzDWg7LuJdMtjK2Z3GivORbNZJwcTCph/AwN9bS46rubyI5HNY7yKipoHvBzTLZs51AYSaZTZ3AMIYJgLA/G7KqxR74= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:33:10 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2589_26315577.1188426790792" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2589_26315577.1188426790792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline kilograms of ignorance here too ... so also the macbooks (not pro, or.. pro) can be upgraded by third partys around the world... per, rainer, europees? it's easy to add more ram or change an internal hard drive? just curious... i've seen the basic macbook + the extra gig of RAM summing 2 gigs. for 1139 euros. now with boot camp or parallels... (999 euros with 1 giga) i think this is a serious competitor to every "good" pc notebook. raul. 2007/8/30, BreachinThePeace@aol.com : > > In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:46:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > khartung@cableone.net writes: > > that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I am > looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same > time. I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :) > > Kris > > It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" or "catch > the curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases and a synching of > hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware development > dept. ever invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is justifying > the cost of production vs. the extremely limited & specialized demand for > such a need. I would think that graphic specialists > (film/design/drafting/etc.) and audio engineers alike would go gaga over the > possibility of upping maxed ram two times over. I just don't possess a shred > of practical knowledge that would enable me to "see" whether this is even > possible or not, but the fantastic scenario is nothing short of cool to > imagine. Ahhhhh...Ignorance is bliss. > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_2589_26315577.1188426790792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline kilograms of ignorance here too ...
so also the macbooks (not pro, or.. pro)
can be upgraded by third partys around the world... per, rainer, europees?
it's easy to add more ram or change an internal hard drive?

just curious...
i've seen the basic macbook + the extra gig of RAM summing 2 gigs.
for 1139 euros. now with boot camp or parallels... (999 euros with 1 giga)

i think this is a serious competitor to every "good" pc notebook.

raul.





2007/8/30, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com >:
In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:46:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@cableone.net writes:
that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I am looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same time. I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :)
 
Kris
It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" or "catch the curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases and a synching of hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware development dept. ever invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is justifying the cost of production vs. the extremely limited & specialized demand for such a need. I would think that graphic specialists (film/design/drafting/etc.) and audio engineers alike would go gaga over the possibility of upping maxed ram two times over. I just don't possess a shred of practical knowledge that would enable me to "see" whether this is even possible or not, but the fantastic scenario is nothing short of cool to imagine. Ahhhhh...Ignorance is bliss. 



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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_2589_26315577.1188426790792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 22:45:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D299B3BF4E; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b8d01c7ea8e$4f7323f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Whats going on in Idaho? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:45:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B8A_01C7EA5C.03E2BB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:45:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B8A_01C7EA5C.03E2BB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn straight, we have nazi skin head, white supremacists in the North = and hypocrite gay republicans in the South. It's a real goat rodeo. :) = ----- Original Message -----=20 From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like = 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is = code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin = cities and those layovers can get real boring.=20 I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for = coming out today". Hilarious. ------=_NextPart_000_0B8A_01C7EA5C.03E2BB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Damn straight, we have nazi skin head, = white=20 supremacists in the North and hypocrite gay republicans in the = South.  It's=20 a real goat rodeo. :) 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net= =20
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, = 2007 3:48=20 PM
Subject: OT: Whats going on in=20 Idaho?

WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this = like 5=20 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is = code=20 for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin cities = and those=20 layovers can get real boring.
I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you = for coming=20 out today". Hilarious.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0B8A_01C7EA5C.03E2BB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 22:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03653BF59; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:54:38 +0100 Subject: Re: im about to start a war From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: im about to start a war Thread-Index: Acfqj5OM0iUMSlaCEdyAMAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3271276479_6476275" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3271276479_6476275 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable You are quite right, Raul, I stand corrected. It was a Macbook I upgraded the HD in easily. My memory ain=B9t what it used to be ;-) Very nice idea though, I guess it might not become widespread though, or the OEMs wouldn=B9t be able to charge as much for their built-to-orders and upgrades. The memor= y is easy enough though. I agree, the Macbook is a well-specified machine, it=B9s just that for me the smaller screen would be limiting. But, I guess that depends on how much you need to use the interface during a performance. Greg > kilograms of ignorance here too ... > so also the macbooks (not pro, or.. pro) > can be upgraded by third partys around the world... per, rainer, europees= ? > it's easy to add more ram or change an internal hard drive? >=20 > just curious...=20 > i've seen the basic macbook + the extra gig of RAM summing 2 gigs. > for 1139 euros. now with boot camp or parallels... (999 euros with 1 giga= ) >=20 > i think this is a serious competitor to every "good" pc notebook. >=20 > raul. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > 2007/8/30, BreachinThePeace@aol.com >: >> In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:46:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> khartung@cableone.net writes: >>> =20 >>> that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I am >>> looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the sam= e >>> time. I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :) >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Kris >> It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" or "catch= the >> curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases and a synching of >> hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware development dept.= ever >> invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is justifying the co= st of >> production vs. the extremely limited & specialized demand for such a nee= d. I >> would think that graphic specialists (film/design/drafting/etc.) and aud= io >> engineers alike would go gaga over the possibility of upping maxed ram t= wo >> times over. I just don't possess a shred of practical knowledge that wou= ld >> enable me to "see" whether this is even possible or not, but the fantast= ic >> scenario is nothing short of cool to imagine. Ahhhhh...Ignorance is blis= s. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . >=20 >=20 --B_3271276479_6476275 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: im about to start a war You a= re quite right, Raul, I stand corrected. It was a Macbook I upgraded the HD = in easily. My memory ain’t what it used to be ;-) Very nice idea thoug= h, I guess it might not become widespread though, or the OEMs wouldn’t= be able to charge as much for their built-to-orders and upgrades. The memor= y is easy enough though.

I agree, the Macbook is a well-specified machine, it’s just that for = me the smaller screen would be limiting. But, I guess that depends on how mu= ch you need to use the interface during a performance.

Greg




kilograms of ignorance here too ...
so also the macbooks (not pro, or.. pro)
can be upgraded by third partys around the world... per, rainer, europees?<= BR> it's easy to add more ram or change an internal hard drive?

just curious...
i've seen the basic macbook + the extra gig of RAM summing 2 gigs.
for 1139 euros. now with boot camp or parallels... (999 euros with 1 giga)<= BR>
i think this is a serious competitor to every "good" pc notebook.=

raul.




 
2007/8/30, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com  <mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com>= ; >:
In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:46:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khartung@c= ableone.net writes:

that's what I thought. I am a memory/CPU hog. There are times when I am &nb= sp;looping, running Reaktor, and runing 2-3 intense max patches at the same = time.  I'm going with 4gig. More, more, more! :)
 
 
 
Kris
It makes a person wonder if we will ever truly "ride the wave" o= r "catch the curve" with respect to consumer computer purchases an= d a synching of hard/soft ware capability. Will anyone in the hardware devel= opment dept. ever invent and market a RAM dock? The problem of course is jus= tifying the cost of production vs. the extremely limited & specialized d= emand for such a need. I would think that graphic specialists (film/design/d= rafting/etc.) and audio engineers alike would go gaga over the possibility o= f upping maxed ram two times over. I just don't possess a shred of practical= knowledge that would enable me to "see" whether this is even poss= ible or not, but the fantastic scenario is nothing short of cool to imagine.= Ahhhhh...Ignorance is bliss.



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 --B_3271276479_6476275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 23:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFD5A3BF63; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=By1qfy7ngr+ZkRpi0RD8LSyqChX1agbViWX75oHkfs0mQRD+XYTv1OOfPDCxYmS1PM0AKjyD631aXRkBbhdzLE2Hpc9KzS/FS061olgsk/TmIj1DPamdmuJrFRQiwZgFpVJCf9RGa17wMXNl6lXllUOwVjvpqU53YYIyB0E47uw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Rf/iZ8ROiFTBwRlMrnGNwzvydfBxpBrIsdLEEZnEmKRpAGDGKJwiWl8tErdgNFVKWoFebLzRhLVDLqc7fgO6gceE3Hc0Zhh+R2H3GE+lgmA3naI2vaykskec1d7uGpCGHJnJdrFaCJPAO4WCHf2DClmQWaf8HAKn4xjhRqWjTSY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:07:45 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Whats going on in Idaho? In-Reply-To: <0b8d01c7ea8e$4f7323f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3275_3747401.1188428865348" References: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <0b8d01c7ea8e$4f7323f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3275_3747401.1188428865348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm all for keeping our definition of "off-topic" broad, but come on guys. Can we keep this one out of LD? On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Damn straight, we have nazi skin head, white supremacists in the North > and hypocrite gay republicans in the South. It's a real goat rodeo. :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* midifriedchicken@comcast.net > *To:* Loopers Delight > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:48 PM > *Subject:* OT: Whats going on in Idaho? > > WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like 5 > or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is code > for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin cities and > those layovers can get real boring. > I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for coming > out today". Hilarious. > > > > ------=_Part_3275_3747401.1188428865348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm all for keeping our definition of "off-topic" broad, but come on guys.  Can we keep this one out of LD?

On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Damn straight, we have nazi skin head, white supremacists in the North and hypocrite gay republicans in the South.  It's a real goat rodeo. :) 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: OT: Whats going on in Idaho?

WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin cities and those layovers can get real boring.
I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for coming out today". Hilarious.
 
 

------=_Part_3275_3747401.1188428865348-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 29 23:15:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F08E3BF69; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TPcRsq4qjKVgXi2wR1vzJ1U2zOHIYowEFB6KUdehzz1Dv6695hnBEa1CZqGyYHXf1gkAxAADFHNHqsf/ZkWcjpDgyoeTbpDPt35CzjoAuMZW1jbffOwfOtIfnP2scXoyVZ2SkX/idfrTAGJi9YZTbXQNa9bot1K+MtLc4wOuBZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L5w766nj7prRpeCtCUwDebdXG9AcDnyXzQRveZJRC9LYE69wEM4ROFuAvq4TZr0bgKBCZeFDFbjWy9m+sCMGuP/xRYMJKvzVLXKca7g8OMgQh2hx8OibaTGHJlnGot4GTo/vnELSICd3jlAS6/g0TDT98dnNHduYJHLfPND17hE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:35 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3306_28180510.1188429335413" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:15:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3306_28180510.1188429335413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure how it plays into this thread, but I thought I'd mention the following: - I just bought a Toshiba M5 Tecra (dual CPUs, 2.0Ghz each, capable of 4MB of RAM) for $1700. It absolutely rips. - maybe I'm just experienced, but I was able to get it setup (including all of the Windows teaks, services settings, etc) in about 4 hours. - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel). without the right BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all 4GB of RAM. ------=_Part_3306_28180510.1188429335413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure how it plays into this thread, but I thought I'd mention the following:

- I just bought a Toshiba M5 Tecra (dual CPUs, 2.0Ghz each, capable of 4MB of RAM) for $1700.  It absolutely rips. 

- maybe I'm just experienced, but I was able to get it setup (including all of the Windows teaks, services settings, etc) in about 4 hours.

- be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel).  without the right BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all 4GB of RAM.
------=_Part_3306_28180510.1188429335413-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 00:01:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA3A3BF4C; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PBIXggkCRoSU5VakN9YY4M5oJmBTmRLBbrLURpw32VvV9HP1Eqd8Xxf9hO0iApGX77/X80Z6CRv01mnHYzN0ZFdnAaMFnK8uKdb8fJVRFI/t1xbyVJJBPM6JxOv2+KgY+j2Xapzua0iWtW7npNku9xdM6JEjN4tNdgwOIKRtK5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mi6Opx7nFA+7nggxDpBiBpL9KJJNYAR4ERBWAM2wY58q4JYLB9umkrapee8mSuR1H0ZbrsHHZ2X7zADawoAiyP6KNZV1D2o4uF1LrGwFLODMrircWLtfrov2j/t8nazhrj25fj7IN10VYKG03tpeDCucaE3Q5TrauSU5vEcrxos= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0708291701o126d7e6au52cbd17d9916ead0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:01:18 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:01:20 +0000 (UTC) My input: Core 2 Duo = much better than Core Duo. I'm running on a refurb MBP, core duo, and it's really significantly slower, same clock, same ram, than a dell core 2 duo. Considering trading in, because now i've tested my audio bits on a macbook with C2D and find it faster as well. Also, with the flourish of multicore processing all over the place, make sure your software versions are up to it (ableton live 5=no multicore, 6=yes!) also, don't skimp on screen! if you can't see all the widgets, you're pretty much up poop creek :) -Miles On 8/29/07, Doug Cox wrote: > I'm not sure how it plays into this thread, but I thought I'd mention the > following: > > - I just bought a Toshiba M5 Tecra (dual CPUs, 2.0Ghz each, capable of 4MB > of RAM) for $1700. It absolutely rips. > > - maybe I'm just experienced, but I was able to get it setup (including all > of the Windows teaks, services settings, etc) in about 4 hours. > > - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel > 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel). without the right > BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all > 4GB of RAM. > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 00:30:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EC73BF5D; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W9QiCIjcrb0JHzXmcRPItyw6LeJfOkrFWnzoZ7C33M+U1cAUusD6HWrcjIJ1qWIu0OHtsMXqMPpKv/H8a1T973r99P91jI9lun7/K9AgcanNgnajqoN/lwk0QOy+AwHnDI9e4iyH8QGqdzKTcCGlHIZ3Z6J1LJzHt+Byy0l9WiU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TGgoe/EFf3+rzrBynzwGQOgwdT3XyuuRs3e3K2u00IJRz9hAvx5mnkKuSqKd2hEdRiqyIUXdHJBCJs/rQMRObJyAzqp5bLYmmeRzAPayhlJZ0ij2lGyZpUBWoo+h45PoXHe4I/0fbTm54rRH4E4qxszDMYxnshPcTUOoGvKmtNw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:30:57 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0708291701o126d7e6au52cbd17d9916ead0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3445_23443852.1188433857983" References: <4cf76a0b0708291701o126d7e6au52cbd17d9916ead0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:30:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3445_23443852.1188433857983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah - the Intel marketing babble confuses the heck out of me. But I made sure that the Toshiba had a real Core 2 Duo in it (vs. Core Duo), and I'm glad I did. They sort of mask the facts with the "Centrino" label, because Centrino can mean Core Duo *or* Core 2 Duo, and also includes a specific set of motherboards and wireless chips. On 8/29/07, miles ward wrote: > > My input: Core 2 Duo = much better than Core Duo. I'm running on a > refurb MBP, core duo, and it's really significantly slower, same > clock, same ram, than a dell core 2 duo. Considering trading in, > because now i've tested my audio bits on a macbook with C2D and find > it faster as well. Also, with the flourish of multicore processing > all over the place, make sure your software versions are up to it > (ableton live 5=no multicore, 6=yes!) > also, don't skimp on screen! if you can't see all the widgets, you're > pretty much up poop creek :) > -Miles > > On 8/29/07, Doug Cox wrote: > > I'm not sure how it plays into this thread, but I thought I'd mention > the > > following: > > > > - I just bought a Toshiba M5 Tecra (dual CPUs, 2.0Ghz each, capable of > 4MB > > of RAM) for $1700. It absolutely rips. > > > > - maybe I'm just experienced, but I was able to get it setup (including > all > > of the Windows teaks, services settings, etc) in about 4 hours. > > > > - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any > Intel > > 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel). without the > right > > BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to > all > > 4GB of RAM. > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > > ------=_Part_3445_23443852.1188433857983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah - the Intel marketing babble confuses the heck out of me.  But I made sure that the Toshiba had a real Core 2 Duo in it (vs. Core Duo), and I'm glad I did.  They sort of mask the facts with the "Centrino" label, because Centrino can mean Core Duo *or* Core 2 Duo, and also includes a specific set of motherboards and wireless chips.

On 8/29/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
My input:  Core 2 Duo = much better than Core Duo.  I'm running on a
refurb MBP, core duo, and it's really significantly slower, same
clock, same ram, than a dell core 2 duo.  Considering trading in,
because now i've tested my audio bits on a macbook with C2D and find
it faster as well.   Also, with the flourish of multicore processing
all over the place, make sure your software versions are up to it
(ableton live 5=no multicore, 6=yes!)
also, don't skimp on screen!  if you can't see all the widgets, you're
pretty much up poop creek :)
-Miles

On 8/29/07, Doug Cox <uncledig@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure how it plays into this thread, but I thought I'd mention the
> following:
>
> - I just bought a Toshiba M5 Tecra (dual CPUs, 2.0Ghz each, capable of 4MB
> of RAM) for $1700.  It absolutely rips.
>
> - maybe I'm just experienced, but I was able to get it setup (including all
> of the Windows teaks, services settings, etc) in about 4 hours.
>
> - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel
> 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel).  without the right
> BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all
> 4GB of RAM.
>


--
---Miles Ward


------=_Part_3445_23443852.1188433857983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 00:35:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5D453BF63; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bc801c7ea9d$b820f080$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <0b8d01c7ea8e$4f7323f0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Whats going on in Idaho? Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:35:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BC3_01C7EA6B.6C8EDA10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:35:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BC3_01C7EA6B.6C8EDA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no problem for me...it's embarassing. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Whats going on in Idaho? I'm all for keeping our definition of "off-topic" broad, but come on = guys. Can we keep this one out of LD? On 8/29/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: Damn straight, we have nazi skin head, white supremacists in the = North and hypocrite gay republicans in the South. It's a real goat = rodeo. :) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this = like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family = values" is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the = twin cities and those layovers can get real boring.=20 I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for = coming out today". Hilarious. ------=_NextPart_000_0BC3_01C7EA6B.6C8EDA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
no problem for me...it's = embarassing.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, = 2007 5:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: Whats going on in=20 Idaho?

I'm all for keeping our definition of "off-topic" = broad, but=20 come on guys.  Can we keep this one out of LD?

On 8/29/07, Krispen=20 Hartung < khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
Damn straight, we have nazi skin = head, white=20 supremacists in the North and hypocrite gay republicans in the = South. =20 It's a real goat rodeo. :) 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net
To:=20 Loopers=20 Delight Sent:=20 Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject:=20 OT: Whats going on in Idaho?

WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt = this=20 like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family = values"=20 is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the = twin=20 cities and those layovers can get real boring.
I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank = you for=20 coming out today". Hilarious.
 
=
 

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0BC3_01C7EA6B.6C8EDA10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE953BF32; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=cPIxBMD9c3tq+l777y5uFVbJa2Xd/5bvG7fDWZJj8Jp0L13AbZo/ApGBVz5g61BA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <28909734.1188435639863.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:00:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: synchro1 Reply-To: synchro1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LP-1 (looperlative) OS upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7c4b038661a0657e74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688949a10332291b1cf51c38de52ce210df350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Just noticed Bob is back active at http://www.looperlative.com/060913discuss/index.php and has just posted OS version 1.26 with a number of bug fixes. I post this here because I suspect a number of us have stopped checking the forum quite as regularly as before. Bob also explains he is ordering the parts for the next run of LP-1s and is offering a discount for pre-orders this week. I own an EDP and a repeater; the looperlative is still my favorite looping instrument by far (although I also appreciate the others)... side (OT) note: When did Idaho beconme a southern state? I have to keep up with current events more..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3E73BF5E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c7eaa1$fa960b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "todd reynolds" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:06:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Dear Todd, I feel compelled to respond to your rant about how clunky you think Windows is as an operating system. Different operating systems have different paradigms. Of course, it will take you time to learn how to use it. Different human beings designed it. Of course there will be things you hate about a new system (especially if you are unused to it---I'm forever swearing at my G4 laptop when it siezes up on me............I just don't know it very well compared to my PC desktop music workstation). I've always done Windows so working on a new Mac system is really clunky and inefficient (merely because I don't know it yet). The lack of sophisticated right click functionality alone makes me much faster on a PC than on a Mac system, but most of that is just because it's what I know. Try going from Sonar to Logic or Cubase..............they do roughly the same things but the gui is different and the way you think is different. I don't want to be an apologist for all the flaws of Windows, but there is so much more fascinating software being developed for it...............there are especially many , many more free plugins being developed for it. There are incredible programs like Sony Vegas, Acid, Sound Forge (still for my money the best and easiest sound editor on both platforms and I've used all of them), FLStudio Producers Edition, Granulab, Tuareg, etc., etc. that it's tough to hear people bash it so much in these posts. I believe that to say that you don't like it and don't want to use it is really valid, but to complete diss a very, very sophisticated music creation environment because you don't like it borders on ignorance and potentially can come off as arrogance. World class music is made every day on PCs................as well as Macs. I made my last two CDs entirely on a PC system that had a single core 2.4 mghz processor and a whopping 512 megs of RAM. When people review the music they never say, "wow, you ignoramous, you didn't use a Mac with it's obviously superior operating system to create this". They never say, "what an asshole , you only used 512 megs of RAM and a single core dinosaur processor to create this?" No, they talk about the music which is really what it's all about in the long run. Additionally, I because I live off of my artistry and don't have a ton of money, I have to be sensitive to cost. I'd love to be able to shell out $3,600 it would take to get the fully tricked out MacBook pro with the 4 gigs of RAM and the superduper fast hardrive plus the $900 for the tricked out RME 800 break out box but I just don't have that money to spend. One of the things about PCs when you are on a budget is, that if you have a desktop machine you can improve your machine $100 to $200 at a time by purchasing just barely trailing edge technology. It's not so cheap and easy to do that (especially with motherboards and processors) in the Mac world. So, Macs fucking rule and I heartily applaud anyone who loves their system. It's okay for those of us who are in the PC world to love the setups we have, too, however If you use a tricked out Macbook pro and make incredible looping music does that make Andre LaFosse less of an artist because he uses a Gibson Echoplex with and Apple IIC neanderthal processor in it. Of course not. No us and them, brother..............................only US! All respect, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:12:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08163BF66; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dur2e8FVg/as12jUbP9SlhqL2JhxiAzqf8FIGCqweXPCYIu7JGHSPyzALclZyHlwFZ9jGi0jHlzVMhnZhqmyW1RRUI5RAN78YvyD0W3lTiKkFvV+I2S/ey5/6FktikHrcT5fciwjMz4O0MXilkDpbvFnlejIfZCuvEdaN94N0F0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mEq5YXhgIoZuU9H8aYrEY57ZJpvgMxn3WPnQ5RcOoYokpX1agGxQIXtE+iuFRkpEliW9OLyvbvXsIRHyyJHkvZ/6HpZRoWWGRCETht1332lA3XWn5c2yUvi4Ow/4FybO2oRGEVXt9GLIvvAmoy6fZ4e8s19VsCXcVLFG12awwUk= Message-ID: <46D57056.5060103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:10:46 +0800 From: Joey Cagle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20070121 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <006b01c7eaa1$fa960b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <006b01c7eaa1$fa960b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9_s9IB.A.EuF.olh1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:12:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm using Linux for making and recording music. :-) There's some decent open source software out there for music, and some software loopers too. Hey, I got this on topic! Joey RICK WALKER wrote: > Dear Todd, > I feel compelled to respond to your rant about > how clunky you think Windows is as an operating system. > > Different operating systems have different paradigms. > Of course, it will take you time to learn how to use it. > Different human beings designed it. Of course there will be things you > hate about a new system (especially if you are unused to it---I'm > forever swearing at > my G4 laptop when it siezes up on me............I just don't know it > very well compared > to my PC desktop music workstation). > > I've always done Windows so working on a new Mac system is really > clunky and inefficient > (merely because I don't know it yet). The lack of sophisticated > right click functionality alone > makes me much faster on a PC than on a Mac system, but most of that is > just because it's what I know. > > Try going from Sonar to Logic or Cubase..............they do roughly > the same things but the > gui is different and the way you think is different. > > I don't want to be an apologist for all the flaws of Windows, but > there is so much more fascinating > software being developed for it...............there are especially > many , many more free plugins being developed for it. > There are incredible programs like Sony Vegas, Acid, Sound Forge > (still for my money the best and easiest sound > editor on both platforms and I've used all of them), FLStudio > Producers Edition, Granulab, Tuareg, etc., etc. > that it's tough to hear people bash it so much in these posts. > > I believe that to say that you don't like it and don't want to use it > is really valid, > but to complete diss a very, very sophisticated music creation > environment > because you don't like it borders on ignorance and potentially can > come off as arrogance. > > World class music is made every day on PCs................as well as > Macs. > > I made my last two CDs entirely on a PC system that had a single core > 2.4 mghz processor and > a whopping 512 megs of RAM. > > When people review the music they never say, "wow, you ignoramous, > you didn't use a Mac with > it's obviously superior operating system to create this". They > never say, "what an asshole , you > only used 512 megs of RAM and a single core dinosaur processor to > create this?" > > No, they talk about the music which is really what it's all about in > the long run. > > Additionally, I because I live off of my artistry and don't have a > ton of money, I have to be sensitive to cost. > I'd love to be able to shell out $3,600 it would take to get the fully > tricked out MacBook pro with the 4 gigs of RAM > and the superduper fast hardrive plus the $900 for the tricked out > RME 800 break out box but > I just don't have that money to spend. > > One of the things about PCs when you are on a budget is, that if you > have a desktop machine you can improve > your machine $100 to $200 at a time by purchasing just barely trailing > edge technology. > It's not so cheap and easy to do that (especially with motherboards > and processors) in the Mac world. > > So, Macs fucking rule and I heartily applaud anyone who loves their > system. > It's okay for those of us who are in the PC world to love the setups > we have, too, however > > If you use a tricked out Macbook pro and make incredible looping music > does that > make Andre LaFosse less of an artist because he uses a Gibson Echoplex > with > and Apple IIC neanderthal processor in it. > > Of course not. > > No us and them, brother..............................only US! > > All respect, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:15:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B073BF65; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a201c7eaa3$48f0add0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "Krispen Hartung" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: PLEASE EDIT YOUR REPLIES. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris (and everyone else who this applies to), I know you are just trying to be convenient and are responding quickly in the middle of a busy work day, but would you PLEASE EDIT your posts to Loopers Delight. I received 8 daily digests today and two of them had ONLY YOUR SINGLE POSTS on them with four or five previous response postings tacked on that you had failed to edit. It only takes a couple of extra seconds to quote only relevant text you are responding to and to eliminate all the rest for the sake of brevity. It's a courtesy that we all wish you would give to us. Thanks, love (and I mean that) Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:19:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6183BF71; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tVunhS3vsGWNyK7rEeAw7rpA0qUSUPsI7vu73FlsXhvGAphRMb+WYiszMWGzVmIHSBVwa13Y3q22SMm3rS7hzmI0gzcqvlnJgBqZzVvlOI3zzYnDMqa7BqXiVGqeDUQaIvJtjQjwFfti7dVRUg0pmfkgkiWT+R/mBiQwCaVif+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FkQfNLfsK9RUIkHUO5o4BgsFNqSmDO8nx3Z7XJM+Ryeci8ZTgYr07JI9X7sPpbt2ggQKBtvczgWv181MFTfUgzlF6Qt1NATRs/cHPOTXUUwzf5Pl8VPvR91Fq+SsnbBgF6Fsds7q28MTpJtTAkvmm6T8nhRUl+/LZ+1J0RnJCzk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:19:25 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: <46D57056.5060103@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3506_31512820.1188436765842" References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <006b01c7eaa1$fa960b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46D57056.5060103@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-j7ieC.A.GHG.fsh1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:19:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3506_31512820.1188436765842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When I was a boy I had to walk UPHILL in BOTH DIRECTIONS just to get to a tape machine so that I could record one note of one measure each week! When I got home, my father would lop off my head and then make me rebuild the garage. DAMN YOU KIDS! :) ------=_Part_3506_31512820.1188436765842 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When I was a boy I had to walk UPHILL in BOTH DIRECTIONS just to get to a tape machine so that I could record one note of one measure each week!  When I got home, my father would lop off my head and then make me rebuild the garage.

DAMN YOU KIDS!

:)
------=_Part_3506_31512820.1188436765842-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 01:21:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A0E3BF68; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A/Fx4P6z9XPFUUzzoM0qh9WyMgXo0J1bNTwFrrFUOtAHdRoX6XA9Glcta3WwZkiGSMCvqquItCq2YNHt4WM5XaEhuy96W1rJqeQS5EGDwiTRLmi6dLUU9mHaxmJiSH4SOvEon7oZceTvSv6feQcXrduHJuCNopczGB+uo0+b3Ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DnV6tc7+4OBWCBdD/h8nRiOXWi/h65D6M0ueSIo8dmlFZllmeBWSeuIifVfo2WsbaN+g9ancPetaQMt8/dDlZyIaMjF00ohaHJMmF+JVtGIk+GeqlnPba8KAFEkIixzVhko3VkGD1zgAw6lRqA2J4asCHs8RJn3jxoSC9sKt94w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:21:43 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PLEASE EDIT YOUR REPLIES. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00a201c7eaa3$48f0add0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3513_609520.1188436903487" References: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00a201c7eaa3$48f0add0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:21:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3513_609520.1188436903487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rick, I apologize for the times I forget to do it. Those of us using Gmail can forget easily, since the program filters out quoted material (and puts it behind a link that you can optionally click to see the quote). I'll try to remember to do that. ------=_Part_3513_609520.1188436903487 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rick,

I apologize for the times I forget to do it.  Those of us using Gmail can forget easily, since the program filters out quoted material (and puts it behind a link that you can optionally click to see the quote).

I'll try to remember to do that.
------=_Part_3513_609520.1188436903487-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 02:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0CCD3BF55; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.71] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070829183927.4DCDF3BF7B@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:36:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2007 02:36:19.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BB1E890:01C7EAAE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:36:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry to see a seperate list for so-called off topic discussions. The world veiws,inspirations and interests of other artists are as useful to me in developing my own art as technical considerations.I'm far more bothered by endless reprints of the same messages,code and other stuff that amounts to white noise as far as scanning the digest goes. I find certain guitar oriented discussions,such as the use and abuse of fretless guitars interesting and informative.But I wouldc certainly consider them off topic too if we have a narrow defintion of what is cogent to looping. _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 02:48:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32EB63BF62; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c0201c7eab0$4fb564a0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4759e5740708291202u438099bci25cef9cf22cf8744@mail.gmail.com> <006b01c7eaa1$fa960b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46D57056.5060103@gmail.com> Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:48:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Now there is a guy with balls of steel. Bravo, man. Linux is a pillar of stability. I hear PD (free max-like program) runs on Linux. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: im about to start a war > I'm using Linux for making and recording music. :-) There's some decent > open source software out there for music, and some software loopers too. > Hey, I got this on topic! > > Joey > > RICK WALKER wrote: >> Dear Todd, >> I feel compelled to respond to your rant about >> how clunky you think Windows is as an operating system. >> >> Different operating systems have different paradigms. >> Of course, it will take you time to learn how to use it. >> Different human beings designed it. Of course there will be things you >> hate about a new system (especially if you are unused to it---I'm forever >> swearing at >> my G4 laptop when it siezes up on me............I just don't know it very >> well compared >> to my PC desktop music workstation). >> >> I've always done Windows so working on a new Mac system is really clunky >> and inefficient >> (merely because I don't know it yet). The lack of sophisticated right >> click functionality alone >> makes me much faster on a PC than on a Mac system, but most of that is >> just because it's what I know. >> >> Try going from Sonar to Logic or Cubase..............they do roughly the >> same things but the >> gui is different and the way you think is different. >> >> I don't want to be an apologist for all the flaws of Windows, but there >> is so much more fascinating >> software being developed for it...............there are especially many , >> many more free plugins being developed for it. >> There are incredible programs like Sony Vegas, Acid, Sound Forge (still >> for my money the best and easiest sound >> editor on both platforms and I've used all of them), FLStudio Producers >> Edition, Granulab, Tuareg, etc., etc. >> that it's tough to hear people bash it so much in these posts. >> >> I believe that to say that you don't like it and don't want to use it is >> really valid, >> but to complete diss a very, very sophisticated music creation >> environment >> because you don't like it borders on ignorance and potentially can come >> off as arrogance. >> >> World class music is made every day on PCs................as well as >> Macs. >> >> I made my last two CDs entirely on a PC system that had a single core 2.4 >> mghz processor and >> a whopping 512 megs of RAM. >> >> When people review the music they never say, "wow, you ignoramous, you >> didn't use a Mac with >> it's obviously superior operating system to create this". They never >> say, "what an asshole , you >> only used 512 megs of RAM and a single core dinosaur processor to create >> this?" >> >> No, they talk about the music which is really what it's all about in the >> long run. >> >> Additionally, I because I live off of my artistry and don't have a ton >> of money, I have to be sensitive to cost. >> I'd love to be able to shell out $3,600 it would take to get the fully >> tricked out MacBook pro with the 4 gigs of RAM >> and the superduper fast hardrive plus the $900 for the tricked out RME >> 800 break out box but >> I just don't have that money to spend. >> >> One of the things about PCs when you are on a budget is, that if you have >> a desktop machine you can improve >> your machine $100 to $200 at a time by purchasing just barely trailing >> edge technology. >> It's not so cheap and easy to do that (especially with motherboards and >> processors) in the Mac world. >> >> So, Macs fucking rule and I heartily applaud anyone who loves their >> system. >> It's okay for those of us who are in the PC world to love the setups we >> have, too, however >> >> If you use a tricked out Macbook pro and make incredible looping music >> does that >> make Andre LaFosse less of an artist because he uses a Gibson Echoplex >> with >> and Apple IIC neanderthal processor in it. >> >> Of course not. >> >> No us and them, brother..............................only US! >> >> All respect, Rick Walker >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 02:50:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07233BF6F; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c0f01c7eab0$7ac2d100$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0ade01c7ea77$462cd6e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00a201c7eaa3$48f0add0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: PLEASE EDIT YOUR REPLIES. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:50:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_WTq0B.A.Ot.iBj1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:50:10 +0000 (UTC) No problem, Rick. Thanks for the reminder to us power users who chew up email like we're log shreaders. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 03:31:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A12D3BF52; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ra8AYnB3c7EXcZjrzdaf8MUv+77m60CJ8XobhXEsO0bAd0+pXQmAIdzQ3SgNddfsTp4hVRHLDhkjC9QyKoQK7o3KlYmS1MSTOUcVQEsGr7v24C2vNUlLYnITzWBzFFf35OtPYm9jr8PrlnFIDGdrz50DT7/FN9bGOdsvORhs4Lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EuRfZryFcp3YMjTWNriT4bxzszJy5qB0GbF36a4SpuMaHiDr/m1bWncJSOTLjpmu2XDGKFMbBowSnnC8SveEKNpG06de2L73gXALII9Z7NBs1mnVZ5x1bk4tRZP6rzPFTX4nU70zMxEfU2BvTXV65cyzOvkK8cPgbyDcv8zz/fo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:31:33 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list In-Reply-To: <46D5F259.16991.299F605@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3286_1491677.1188444693418" References: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> <46D5F259.16991.299F605@nick.12testing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:31:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3286_1491677.1188444693418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys, can't read all the stuff on the topic, gorgive me if this has been treated. which actions it'll be taken by "the looping police" against those who will not respect the OT being sent to the other list? i'm sad this is happening but can understand Kim and the others... it would be helpful to hang up on loopers-delight website the instructions i like noise so much.... TPO crew. ------=_Part_3286_1491677.1188444693418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys,

can't read all the stuff on the topic,
gorgive me if this has been treated.

which actions it'll be taken by
"the looping police" against those
who will not respect the OT being sent
to the other list?

i'm sad this is happening but can
understand Kim and the others...

it would be helpful to hang up on
loopers-delight website the instructions

i like noise so much....

TPO crew.
------=_Part_3286_1491677.1188444693418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 07:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB233BF5E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e48+LmolbdtpEjAvRqoiDMdtFQxBJSilGhm2WmdQC01b40uG37v4rzQsEvRsIbUZ47lFVd0VaM8j21EcZwtCUpSXK0gSAiKcJdsi8r9BPA0YcSPUPnvxNcUyxrN3ffJ3tTvcO+U/LonhGDCIORIEwp8Q4iLOGOQPzVVME424f90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J2ONbCyN9V63B+fS8UjAxsgMaW2j0m7V7it6cMd0E/gvfm21KkF0WL01jDCbPDFvOW2S2nDOmefVezBEYB254LLY8O5vMeskT78FhsLQwVI9+1AalS0t7woVNiizGpN2V2B3/AAxFExsWYymorKqRL8BzYIMczqe7lzt+XqYdLk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4cf76a0b0708291701o126d7e6au52cbd17d9916ead0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32E95E27-3299-49C7-9FFA-35D43D112726@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a war Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:24:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:25:01 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 02.30, Doug Cox wrote: > Yeah - the Intel marketing babble confuses the heck out of me. But > I made sure that the Toshiba had a real Core 2 Duo in it (vs. Core > Duo), and I'm glad I did. They sort of mask the facts with the > "Centrino" label, because Centrino can mean Core Duo *or* Core 2 > Duo, and also includes a specific set of motherboards and wireless > chips. "Centrino" can also mean one CPU, as in my Centrino Laptop. The term Centrino, penned by Intel, is actually used to describe a laptop designed with portability in mind but still with good performance guaranteed. The magic is said to come about due to a particular combination of CPU, mainboard chipset and wireless network. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 07:45:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53663BF60; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kehvTinEUGWmHz0CTscD8taYxBhK1qvrCqtJMCEeULKSR7Brt1R0HvltxqOa83KqxAQYQu2E/4rAn3KXRjhUZJxrO93OWla5sSeCiBQJ8nt7x9vRDlQW9bvGG9brs0u00++5NSRIVU5zEU2Y6SNUnl5CLEINWFnk8vAR53ef6Ic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YiWNw4mWf1ih03bUYlWf2/B1cqqkTqEDHwTC+PPj/RbkflQMW59aCfThmPSVlNvh9gxjWs2Ce+9R01K1PdojCdlY9lbiVQgsKV29XxIA552WRJJ7nCIzeXw+ncpmpMuZow6vXd6F/iXXdKskZDBf2QHf9jp3zpuEbz1+jdbqvXI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> <46D5F259.16991.299F605@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:45:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2e14OD.A.8K.lWn1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:45:41 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 05.31, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi guys, > > can't read all the stuff on the topic, > gorgive me if this has been treated. > > which actions it'll be taken by > "the looping police" against those > who will not respect the OT being sent > to the other list? > > i'm sad this is happening but can > understand Kim and the others... > > it would be helpful to hang up on > loopers-delight website the instructions > > i like noise so much.... Well, now there is also an OT list. We who like a lot of noise can simply subscribe to both. No need to be sad IMHO, because this situation can serve more people in a better way. I respect that some people have limited time for reading emails, or maybe prefer to do Quality Reading at a slower pace. For them it is a good solution to subscribe only to the regular list. 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Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 08:45:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C81763BF51; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D69240.1070806@imt.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:47:44 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? References: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1_rmqB.A.9iB.xOo1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:45:37 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants down. Isnt this like > 5 or 6 this year alone? Those guys can party! I guess "family values" > is code for I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the twin > cities and those layovers can get real boring. > I loved the opening line from his press conference: "Thank you for > coming out today". Hilarious. > > I guess any good name attracts corrupt people who want to hijack it for their own purposes :-). In the political arena of today it's a game of exploiting dumb sheep who think it's normal that *everyone be issued a social security card at birth...even though...when you break it down 'social security' is an invocation to put one's security in society...which then by definition becomes a humanist religion. What happened to SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE? hehe. Oh..well we make an exception if it's socialist religion :-) WHAT IS a religion? Isn't it where you put your confidence.? * people be taxed without representation. How much government do most people really want? I mean..crud since I can't even turn a person in for threatening me with a knife on an immature road rage/stalking endeavor of theirs...without being fined 180 bucks...*blink*...I don't even want a frigging POLICE department. Sometimes I seriously think it would be better to just go back to caveman days :-) Anyway I could go on but it's late. So many of another party ...it's just assumed have their pants down all the time so nobody looks. Meanwhile ON THE BRIGHT side..I just got back from the Richochet dream gathering. Really fun seeing those guys work together. Someone told me about it and I had no idea what I almost missed had they not gotten a tip to bring a Minimoog to me for repairs. -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 10:34:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F56C3BF61; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 774122493 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF1.63D05FFB" Subject: RE: im about to find some files Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: im about to find some files Thread-Index: Acfq8WPEwnL8xu4lTxu2VFu+YV2UEw== References: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2007 10:34:48.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[6400F230:01C7EAF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:34:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF1.63D05FFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the hard-drive.=20 >> I'm wasting time just FINDING things... =20 =20 many mac users complain that the one thing ruining an otherwise reasonably pleasant user-experience, & the one achilles' heel of the mac os, is & has been for many years, the finder. there's even a forum called FTFF, fix the f finder. =20 when I stumbled on this, it was because I was sure there must be a utility for mac os that lets you search for files by the same criteria as the search tool in windows. in particular, I was getting fed up of losing disc space to things like AVI captures made in error while using final-cut or even i-movie. these apps specialise in hiding big chunks of media in "project files", making it diffcult to clean out the hard drive without destroying metadata. =20 I bought a copy of pathfinder & now the mac behaves like a windows machine. :-) I mean I can search for stuff by size, by date, by when it was modified..... so in addition to having parallels & w2k on it, I now have a search-utility that can find files in both OSs. =20 well, it works for me. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF1.63D05FFB Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>The first time I got on a mac, = I=20 couldn't even figure out how to find a file or the = hard-drive. 
 >>  I'm wasting time = just=20 FINDING things...  
 
many mac users = complain that the=20 one thing ruining an otherwise reasonably pleasant user-experience, = & the=20 one achilles' heel of the mac os, is & has been for many years, the=20 finder.
there's even a forum = called FTFF,=20 fix the f finder.
 
when I stumbled on = this, it was=20 because I was sure there must be a utility for mac os that lets you = search=20 for files by the same criteria as the search tool in windows. in = particular, I=20 was getting fed up of losing disc space to things like AVI captures made = in=20 error while using final-cut or even i-movie. these apps specialise in = hiding big=20 chunks of media in "project files", making it diffcult to clean out the = hard=20 drive without destroying metadata.
 
I bought a copy of = pathfinder=20 & now the mac behaves like a windows machine. :-)   I mean I can = search for=20 stuff by size, by date, by when it was modified..... so in addition to = having=20 parallels & w2k on it, I now have a search-utility that can find = files in=20 both OSs.
 
well, it works for=20 me.
 
d.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF1.63D05FFB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 10:45:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20353BF5E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 655813987 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF2.EE365206" Subject: RE: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:45:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60708291034o2ad53916ub23157c201b082e3@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) Thread-Index: Acfq8u42F96K+BdXRhSCZOf1vzQ3YQ== References: <9e0440a60708291034o2ad53916ub23157c201b082e3@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2007 10:45:50.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE63EDA0:01C7EAF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:45:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF2.EE365206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Brian I think Per was the last post on fretless stuff on the list but I've posted from time to time. I play fretless and use a light gauge think the top is 12. << =20 ah- I mentioned that I'd fumbled with a fretless gibson marauder whilst on a business trip in copenhagen; as I recall the neck was epoxied in a jaco-style, & the slots were neatly filled with some pale wood-filler stuff. standard tuning. it was much easier to play than I'd imagined, though I spend plenty of time on fretless basses. I nearly bought the thing but I came to my senses just in time. :-) =20 a top E of 12 doesn't strike me as especially light, though.... that's firmly in dick dale/stevie ray vaughan territory, gauge-wise.=20 =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF2.EE365206 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 >> Brian I think Per was = the last=20 post on fretless stuff on the list but I've posted from time to = time.  I=20 play fretless and use a light gauge think the top is 12.  <<
 
ah- I mentioned that I'd fumbled with a fretless gibson = marauder=20 whilst on a business trip in copenhagen; as I recall the neck was = epoxied in a=20 jaco-style, & the slots were neatly filled with some pale = wood-filler stuff.=20 standard tuning. it was much easier to play than I'd imagined, though I = spend=20 plenty of time on fretless basses. I nearly bought the thing but I came = to my=20 senses just in time. :-)
 
a top E of 12 doesn't strike me as especially light, = though....=20 that's firmly in dick dale/stevie ray vaughan territory,=20 gauge-wise. 
 
d.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EAF2.EE365206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 11:21:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BE443BF65; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e9WCD4blgIxRo4e0QwRbpm3QPPyBrlkVWx84bkNaL4oDnt/vnrodiyVVAaX9pEc+scoxHd0DozKab+Z9jjYBV8tQiI08Q9Zw9mHgkqmC8jLOPb6LEbhrGoVNK6LsKNMrZK9RD7quvssbMLgvoYxB8xdChu5wJATj/Q0F9ApGR0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pKcz5oY9b8wvadpoUObX6pipvIDnwablTUe+qMJ8pt0ATIUWAUEoc+MLuM6i0D42V5DUtX3nzr/GXx7fth/ZBCkhC68NwY6jZHryN9KfoQAF9Xbs9wLAbZxkhlehYjFbifCh2uGo3mGjqin2PtD1tUE3hHB4RkFEnaOsuRwbp78= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to find some files Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:20:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:21:04 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 12.34, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >>The first time I got on a mac, I couldn't even figure out how to > find a file or the hard-drive. > >> I'm wasting time just FINDING things... > > many mac users complain that the one thing ruining an otherwise > reasonably pleasant user-experience, & the one achilles' heel of > the mac os, is & has been for many years, the finder. > there's even a forum called FTFF, fix the f finder. > > when I stumbled on this, it was because I was sure there must be a > utility for mac os that lets you search for files by the same > criteria as the search tool in windows. in particular, I was > getting fed up of losing disc space to things like AVI captures > made in error while using final-cut or even i-movie. these apps > specialise in hiding big chunks of media in "project files", making > it diffcult to clean out the hard drive without destroying metadata. > > I bought a copy of pathfinder & now the mac behaves like a windows > machine. :-) I mean I can search for stuff by size, by date, by > when it was modified..... so in addition to having parallels & w2k > on it, I now have a search-utility that can find files in both OSs. > > well, it works for me. > > d. I'm working with both systems daily and fully understand you point. But recently I have found that with OS X Mac has gotten a search function that works almost exactly as in Windows. It's called "Spotlight". I still thing though, that the File Explorer of Window's is a bit better than the way Finder displays hard drive content. In OS X there is no way of displaying the whole "tree" of a search path and keep it while checking some other folder. I'm thinking that it would be easy for Apple to fix this and if they did I would value Finder as the better one in this regard. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 11:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269943BF79; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g616Nj2fObUSq6EQP6SrwGJIor+Qr2branjqKU3z327tCPKzQz7dRaLUVbgbtU6M6cKyon2G8WlzdlwXKPrNlsPv0PDIIlw4PtpUD4sMbqZLzxhQXkJMNKhrxZu/JUMLvSZyreZEmnbV15qQqz/kvxy2U7l6VngoSV6Ep+V2FWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BLUgr3gzyO9RXrAyujABegIEqe6xjs1CR/r979Q3VapWgWo4cBbg5mhIwI6+JvS8LBa0z6g3cupdT2ZnpcNC/Q3yYxUW8Fj4mvtYusjzC4qaPedGVr9UrYgRt4lHsDnfPlEcCSQ90rGoUA3J/3XfMgPk7ZLjEyDVtP0blDwkQxY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <9e0440a60708291034o2ad53916ub23157c201b082e3@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4827FECB-EDFE-40FC-BEB5-404D4398B5EF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:23:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:23:16 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 12.45, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > it was much easier to play than I'd imagined, t Yes, isn't it! The difficult part in the beginning is to remember to do vibrato along the strings direction. > I nearly bought the thing but I came to my senses just in time. :-) What a shame! ;-)))) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:05:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 301823BF38; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:05:17 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188475517" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:05:23 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188475517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2007 7:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, uncledig@gmail.com writes: - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel). without the right BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all 4GB of RAM. I think you pretty much just made my point. When you purchase a commercial non music dedicated laptop because of mere "capability", you just purchased some serious headaches in your very near musical future. Unless you are an expert in the field of computer software (which I am NOT), like a philosophy professor once told me, "if you want accurate information that translates into proven wisdom, go to the men who know". ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188475517 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/29/2007 7:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 uncledig@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>- be=20 careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel 32-bi= t=20 based processor (that includes Macs with Intel).  without the right B= IOS,=20 the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all 4GB= of=20 RAM.
I think you pretty much just made my point. When you purchase a commerc= ial=20 non music dedicated laptop because of mere "capability", you just purchased=20= some=20 serious headaches in your very near musical future. Unless you are an expert= in=20 the field of computer software (which I am NOT), like a philosophy professor= =20 once told me, "if you want accurate information that translates into pr= oven=20 wisdom, go to the men who know".



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-------------------------------1188475517-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:07:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B9E3BF7F; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: re: im about to start a war Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:16 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7eafe$7276f5a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acfq/guReHUcYmk7S1qu4RWCMRAbhwAAERPQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWHBYSbr60= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:07:56 +0000 (UTC) > like a philosophy professor once told me, "if you want accurate information that translates into proven wisdom, go to > the men who know". I take it that this philosophy professor was referring to Looper's Delight? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:09:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C775D3BF8E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:09:33 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188475773" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:09:36 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188475773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2007 8:08:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: I take it that this philosophy professor was referring to Looper's Delight? sometimes ;-) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188475773 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/30/2007 8:08:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 rs@moinlabs.de writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I take=20 it that this philosophy professor was referring to Looper's=20 Delight?
sometimes ;-)



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-------------------------------1188475773-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 12:22:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81A23BF66; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:22:09 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188476529" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-WtpfD.A.LtH.zZr1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:22:11 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188476529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2007 4:45:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sounddoctorin@imt.net writes: In the political arena of today it's a game The ONLY thing that will ever cure the American political system is to destroy it. Like a field that needs burning to insure a better future crop. The ideas are great when it comes to democracy and it would most certainly work minus 100% of the current greed driven saturation level special interests. I KNOW this is Looper's Delight as I am merely pointing how the Roman Empire is just about to come full circle. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188476529 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/30/2007 4:45:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 sounddoctorin@imt.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>In the=20 political arena of today it's a game
The ONLY thing that will ever cure the American political system is to=20 destroy it. Like a field that needs burning to insure a better future c= rop.=20 The ideas are great when it comes to democracy and it would most certainly w= ork=20 minus 100% of the current greed driven saturation level special interests. I= =20 KNOW this is Looper's Delight as I am merely pointing how the Roman Emp= ire=20 is just about to come full circle.   


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Your email probably just triggered the govt’s =  Eschelon (spelling?) email monitoring system, which will trigger a warrantless wiretap or two =  ;-)

 

 

From:= BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho?

 

In a message dated 8/30/2007 4:45:43 A.M. Eastern Standard = Time, sounddoctorin@imt.net writes:

In the political arena of today it's a game =

The ONLY thing that will ever cure the American political = system is to destroy it. Like a field that needs burning to insure a better future crop. The ideas are great when it comes to democracy = and it would most certainly work minus 100% of the current greed driven = saturation level special interests. I KNOW this is Looper's Delight as I am = merely pointing how the Roman Empire is just about to come full circle. =   



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Should display files and 'folders and subfolders etc. IN OS 9 (which i use without troubles nor update necessities since 7 years ,-): switch to list view as well. easy. jayrope / berlin http://touchdonttouch.com On 30.08.2007 14:07, "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" wrote: > In > OS X there is no way of displaying the whole "tree" of a search path > and keep it while checking some other folder. I'm thinking that it > would be easy for Apple to fix this and if they did I would value > Finder as the better one in this regard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5C43BF8A; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ONAf8+6BTnXY3+LHPAqZrcnQAfNnPYAMQhb4EMOuB3h8s6gkWPolM75OeEl4AG3CF9w0jQshSRjSU5a0H7dzhp2aa6G5UfOXWDXM+veg9dOd3YhvrroniRwpUyOX12iQMeNlk890hypMCg7oUSZ3P3KE6pCli0dK5Nf4UPgrqf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QZKC4UHL7Ylb0KeOigUSXtBzXw8TcY7GK64fYHVH0HpidDy4PJPN5QEqoTwsPV89JkudOp9vGV80zheF2YBaSdro3AKPVOHXYPiFZCXn5YesiEYB0irqU3kxVSajkq0qGp/5fgrm7k9nvRQVx3jtHTaIS6STEAqEvj7aab9ZlcI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E5E1DC8-F053-4546-B92F-3A535150B352@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to find some files Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:07:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <22PSzC.A.SvB.xEs1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Not the way I described it in my post (below) I'm afraid. The point was Finder not being able to keep a view if you want to look into a folder not in the same "tree". Windows makes this possible by providing two "global columns" inside which the list viewing can take place. This particular file viewing context is so far unbeaten by Finder. Per On 30 aug 2007, at 14.58, jayrope wrote: > In OSX: Switch window to "list" view. Should display files and > 'folders and > subfolders etc. > IN OS 9 (which i use without troubles nor update necessities since > 7 years > ,-): switch to list view as well. > > easy. > jayrope / berlin > http://touchdonttouch.com > >> In >> OS X there is no way of displaying the whole "tree" of a search path >> and keep it while checking some other folder. I'm thinking that it >> would be easy for Apple to fix this and if they did I would value >> Finder as the better one in this regard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:33:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390273BF7B; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RDfXwqrVPoEH3pK+PsFMhQJbpHtNplmbdVJB/NXEL1haXnz6Kqm/Id8LNiDIbpLeLmXJa6871bXCRUezYIgan7fSgA7GRlZ9oF20fXDu0eURgigJ41Vzy7PCsuTFKtTolNDY38tb8x9VwLbkJsCor7A9kePm5PK62Z/SEMqIS/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K64UXoKDoO3e/dg/gM53iZQQWw1IzNtrP8AVTa6AfdqeDDsWrSYANTe919FGRo5VoD+rYi2HYOEeJvvrAgteAl+xU5X/NMWJyg2n0TQ09lABkRIGhqMUQsMhKUsii8/zVBrrQTO4lVuNIZ+S8zVbY6hiQK9vVyBg9w7X0fHA3Ts= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:33:17 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4778_31824847.1188480797603" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4778_31824847.1188480797603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure what your point is, actually - but if it's that everyone should go to a music-specific vendor to buy a laptop, I disagree strongly. I only mentioned the 4GB limit because there was some discussion of 4GB machines in this thread, but the fact is that a music-specific laptop company would face the same configuration issue, and would need to understand your specific preferences (like - which apps are you going to use? do they need more than 2GB of RAM per application? do they honor PAE extensions?) before they can configure it correctly. And even once they do that, you'll likely need/want to change it as time passes. I guess I'm saying that I don't believe anyone needs to be an "expert" to be able to purchase a laptop from a retail vendor and configure it for live music. If you mean that people need to do research to ensure that they are buying the right capabilities, I absolutely agree. But picking the right features, BIOS, and OS does not require a person to be a computer professional. It's simpler than buying a car by a long shot. Doug On 8/30/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/29/2007 7:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > uncledig@gmail.com writes: > > - be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel > 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel). without the right > BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all > 4GB of RAM. > > I think you pretty much just made my point. When you purchase a > commercial non music dedicated laptop because of mere "capability", you just > purchased some serious headaches in your very near musical future. Unless > you are an expert in the field of computer software (which I am NOT), like a > philosophy professor once told me, "if you want accurate information that > translates into proven wisdom, go to the men who know". > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > ------=_Part_4778_31824847.1188480797603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure what your point is, actually - but if it's that everyone should go to a music-specific vendor to buy a laptop, I disagree strongly.  I only mentioned the 4GB limit because there was some discussion of 4GB machines in this thread, but the fact is that a music-specific laptop company would face the same configuration issue, and would need to understand your specific preferences (like - which apps are you going to use?  do they need more than 2GB of RAM per application? do they honor PAE extensions?) before they can configure it correctly.  And even once they do that, you'll likely need/want to change it as time passes.

I guess I'm saying that I don't believe anyone needs to be an "expert" to be able to purchase a laptop from a retail vendor and configure it for live music.  If you mean that people need to do research to ensure that they are buying the right capabilities, I absolutely agree.  But picking the right features, BIOS, and OS does not require a person to be a computer professional.  It's simpler than buying a car by a long shot.

Doug


On 8/30/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com > wrote:
In a message dated 8/29/2007 7:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, uncledig@gmail.com writes:
- be careful when expecting to use 4GB of RAM in Windows, or on any Intel 32-bit based processor (that includes Macs with Intel).  without the right BIOS, the right switches, and a lot of tweaking, you won't get access to all 4GB of RAM.
I think you pretty much just made my point. When you purchase a commercial non music dedicated laptop because of mere "capability", you just purchased some serious headaches in your very near musical future. Unless you are an expert in the field of computer software (which I am NOT), like a philosophy professor once told me, "if you want accurate information that translates into proven wisdom, go to the men who know".



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------=_Part_4778_31824847.1188480797603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 13:38:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080533BF8C; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pnDX2KV+Ro2GI9D+SWFroKp59iUVcu975L68V9RdRWj12tJXtijK0DZMJa0c6172Xx4Ai2HKr3g5icbBp5eNF+LSEhMFKsC336c7sbSVc4cuqZnRXSLJk1xulK5P1DPRFIpbIJMs5myBrvc9U74CvU87pbaGmiaSbabn85CdNac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=h72rIc1pv4QM+vN45Luyh1721GdU/X/GeepkDvPBgSXVC/hijSyzlX8mKCbZ87RfGERhTT5OEzHGCG/vHDUoKrra1ZfPkGiq1DqOpKy/KITiemrJGqQhsPLz84j75C0NykoYOid4UA11mc+nOkVn+oyXpc87ZfMrwfNK8Dn9ZiI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:38:06 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: <32E95E27-3299-49C7-9FFA-35D43D112726@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4788_27425692.1188481086314" References: <4cf76a0b0708291701o126d7e6au52cbd17d9916ead0@mail.gmail.com> <32E95E27-3299-49C7-9FFA-35D43D112726@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:38:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4788_27425692.1188481086314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, single Intel CPUs are also under the Centrino banner, although all of the newest Centrinos (since '06) have some form of dual CPU. The bottom line is that you've got to read past the Centrino label to know what CPU and BIOS you're getting. On 8/30/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 30 aug 2007, at 02.30, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Yeah - the Intel marketing babble confuses the heck out of me. But > > I made sure that the Toshiba had a real Core 2 Duo in it (vs. Core > > Duo), and I'm glad I did. They sort of mask the facts with the > > "Centrino" label, because Centrino can mean Core Duo *or* Core 2 > > Duo, and also includes a specific set of motherboards and wireless > > chips. > > > "Centrino" can also mean one CPU, as in my Centrino Laptop. The term > Centrino, penned by Intel, is actually used to describe a laptop > designed with portability in mind but still with good performance > guaranteed. The magic is said to come about due to a particular > combination of CPU, mainboard chipset and wireless network. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > ------=_Part_4788_27425692.1188481086314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, single Intel CPUs are also under the Centrino banner, although all of the newest Centrinos (since '06) have some form of dual CPU.  The bottom line is that you've got to read past the Centrino label to know what CPU and BIOS you're getting.

On 8/30/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 aug 2007, at 02.30, Doug Cox wrote:

> Yeah - the Intel marketing babble confuses the heck out of me.  But
> I made sure that the Toshiba had a real Core 2 Duo in it (vs. Core
> Duo), and I'm glad I did.  They sort of mask the facts with the
> "Centrino" label, because Centrino can mean Core Duo *or* Core 2
> Duo, and also includes a specific set of motherboards and wireless
> chips.


"Centrino" can also mean one CPU, as in my Centrino Laptop. The term
Centrino, penned by Intel, is actually used to describe a laptop
designed with portability in mind but still with good performance
guaranteed. The magic is said to come about due to  a particular
combination of CPU, mainboard chipset and wireless network.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)





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-------------------------------1188481312-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C683BF8C; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WGjC/yKVPzmewFcflaR+SxF6oAhnAExcg+MKInRHjnnr1Fxj7ATDcrqgMa62FOTo/kYV+/3qbzlAExUDs5AQZl4I1SZ32h2BsRYvzbTdOaZSHoAKSDNF0++jfxT9P8pW79yE4YWqSE10mkg6DaW648zEpRlF3W2Rnf48KV/8egQ=; X-YMail-OSG: gdSakaEVM1l.BZG2mX0h_mbvCvL_nZClxEVUXgAcaP1koYPJZBFFVBX.zf61Sa9ftWCxh7LBh2_5F2QHSoC4HAeWBwxApLjlqGaMl3fgJEH4ovYCGL1vhlZcaWkfCg-- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: Question about fretless guitar(slightly OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <97011.1864.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking the same thing, but given that was an acoustic, it made sense. I did go to a fretless site,a nd learned a few things, I was thinking of putting epoxy on the fretboard Jaco-style as well. It's a maple fretboard and I've already filled the frets with wood filler, because I need my reference points for intonation. I also was trying to figure out string gauge and all that, I just planned on using roundwound strings and tuning to standard, although standard for me is a half step down. I'd love the idea of adding a sustainer to the guitar, but it's a cheap axe and am only experimenting, so maybe I'll look into buying a nicer mid priced strat or something and put one in on it. I do remember Per saying something about doing fretless, and if I remember, he put a sustainer on his guitar as well, How's that working out? --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > >> Brian I think Per was the last post on fretless > stuff on the list > but I've posted from time to time. I play fretless > and use a light > gauge think the top is 12. << > > ah- I mentioned that I'd fumbled with a fretless > gibson marauder whilst > on a business trip in copenhagen; as I recall the > neck was epoxied in a > jaco-style, & the slots were neatly filled with some > pale wood-filler > stuff. standard tuning. it was much easier to play > than I'd imagined, > though I spend plenty of time on fretless basses. I > nearly bought the > thing but I came to my senses just in time. :-) > > a top E of 12 doesn't strike me as especially light, > though.... that's > firmly in dick dale/stevie ray vaughan territory, > gauge-wise. > > d. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:07:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07F93BF9A; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:07:19 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188482838" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:07:21 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188482838 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I completely disagree right down to the ridiculous "buying a car" part. 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I completely disagree right down to the ridiculous "buying a car" part.= We=20 will just have to respect that about each other.



Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------------------------1188482838-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:17:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE4C3BF83; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=g9NzqoEXSOKl0AHttR9Ety0qWIJnHuxxnkRkAaRP6xRm2FQ0GJaSiPhQ0LI8Ay/cxcAcYYOxsDST/d9CmXmt73P5qy5Q8osiFyMdnZK5b42msWdo/R5zh7gArQsQnIhUJCQUwABxeWSsSu5nvC8k7f/NJDkRE7K5KbB1T9k/Q0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fwX25iawpGGaD63drWuyWAbnhHSdpquRw1FanCY+R3FRpO+acYy0KttWyJCxsZJQV2KqJKtO+o7uhn7LHiZ0JwPY2jtcXTzzoYFBMSgYEepm6YVuLYOTQ7GMu/zOUcWfTJi73NnE/AHaXVlCt0Ek93YvTHNb4BQAUd/ny5nHxtE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:17:27 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4973_16119999.1188483447565" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4973_16119999.1188483447565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No disrespect intended, at all. Although I don't like being called ridiculous, I'll just grin and bear it. In the end, we'll each make our own decisions on hardware that best fits our needs and capabilities. My personal belief is that no one with some basic computer knowledge (and perhaps access to this list and the ability to get to Google) should be afraid to purchase a computer from a retailer for the purpose of live looping. On 8/30/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > I completely disagree right down to the ridiculous "buying a car" part. > We will just have to respect that about each other. > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > ------=_Part_4973_16119999.1188483447565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No disrespect intended, at all.  Although I don't like being called ridiculous, I'll just grin and bear it.

In the end, we'll each make our own decisions on hardware that best fits our needs and capabilities.  My personal belief is that no one with some basic computer knowledge (and perhaps access to this list and the ability to get to Google) should be afraid to purchase a computer from a retailer for the purpose of live looping.

On 8/30/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com > wrote:
I completely disagree right down to the ridiculous "buying a car" part. We will just have to respect that about each other.



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 14:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708173BF75; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rU70z0motDg8SJ5N890ihYnGvWwx5XAst5L25mFrSlJh2PwnIo8HYxaAWqJMSu3Lv0rMwcFGFcUpqvaMOwv6sY27ab8hyEf3C0sWsMrChEnaOlC28Ch3dmQ69LNufHJPsVamhcg81SSIAcO62fmcjIwTvIKBEs5bE2rDy2rP2H8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oDl1TCdnVnhpd80a9ZNWCKi2vlAeV1+B+duvnl1hZi4aqou86oVUUl2xXVTCbHEC4PpEPLdS4wSi7zx5a5GZSG3dBiHtZiD8s/t4hAjAtKcs1A6jXEIJ0kGXtNNDrDZT5OPrpI/6dFMZETl5TgPFxoipP77euycz0tFZeRL4eEU= Message-ID: <4759e5740708300756g5ea61efl34ee445533fc63e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:56:32 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to find some files In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3443_4861645.1188485792323" References: <20070830140722.C579B3BFA0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:56:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3443_4861645.1188485792323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Have any tried Quicksilver? it's sort of changed my life... I use Pathfinder too though. http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/quicksilver?DokuWiki=4da1d1214f9d14fc5ea3781b76249d7d On 8/30/07, jayrope wrote: > > Per, agreed. Somethign like TotalCommander for OS X woudl help, no idea > where to get that from > > wrote: > > > Re: im about to find some files > > > > Not the way I described it in my post (below) I'm afraid. The point > > was Finder not being able to keep a view if you want to look into a > > folder not in the same "tree". ... > > > > Per > > --- > Best greets from Berlin. > > jayrope > - > http://www.kliklak.net > http://www.touchdonttouch.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_3443_4861645.1188485792323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Have any tried Quicksilver? 

it's sort of changed my life... I use Pathfinder too though.

http://docs.blacktree.com/quicksilver/quicksilver?DokuWiki=4da1d1214f9d14fc5ea3781b76249d7d



On 8/30/07, jayrope <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
Per, agreed. Somethign like TotalCommander for OS X woudl help, no idea
where to get that from

wrote:

> Re: im about to find some files
>
> Not the way I described it in my post (below) I'm afraid. The point
> was Finder not being able to keep a view if you want to look into a
> folder not in the same "tree". ...
>
> Per

---
Best greets from Berlin.

jayrope
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http://www.kliklak.net
http://www.touchdonttouch.com




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_3443_4861645.1188485792323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:40:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4F33BF6E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:40:08 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a war To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188488408" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:40:24 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188488408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2007 10:17:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, uncledig@gmail.com writes: No disrespect intended, at all. Although I don't like being called ridiculous, I'll just grin and bear it. In the end, we'll each make our own decisions on hardware that best fits our needs and capabilities. My personal belief is that no one with some basic computer knowledge (and perhaps access to this list and the ability to get to Google) should be afraid to purchase a computer from a retailer for the purpose of live looping. I didn't state you were ridiculous, just the "part" about "It's simpler than buying a car by a long shot." When you take into account the common commodity that a vehicle is, then compare that to the highly specialized need that an audio dedicated laptop represents, I don't think so. My point is this: When you take into account the law of averages, it becomes quickly apparent that the needs of the many far and away out weigh the few. Musicians/DJs/Sound Engineers that require or choose to use laptop computers are indeed the few as compared to the countless numbers of laptop users whose needs are fully met by the typical configuration of commercial computers. The manipulation of the BIOS is also not something that you "choose" or "pick" like an item on a diner menu at your favorite restaurant. Most computer users that have been using computers everyday for the last 10 years have merely "heard" of the BIOS at best. Until you have a NEED to learn about such, there is positively no need to become in anyway familiar with such. As far as Google is concerned, try researching a car purchase as opposed to the highly specialized computer needs of the members of this group from a dead roll. That should take about 3 seconds to put in perspective whether you are a member of this group or not. Music dedicated computers and typical commercial computers with respect to their set up and configuration is like comparing East to West. There is none. The knowledge as to their non surface level set up and configuration is anything but common or simple and that's just the software aspect. Sincerely & RESPECTFULLY my friend, encouraging entry level and even moderately advanced computer literate musicians to do some "simple" online research in order to set up there own music dedicated computers will yield MUCH frustration to say the very least. Even if they have a very accurate understanding of their OS and hardware needs. There are so many more specifics involved. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188488408 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/30/2007 10:17:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 uncledig@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>No=20 disrespect intended, at all.  Although I don't like being called=20 ridiculous, I'll just grin and bear it.

In the end, we'll each make= our=20 own decisions on hardware that best fits our needs and capabilities. = My=20 personal belief is that no one with some basic computer knowledge (and per= haps=20 access to this list and the ability to get to Google) should be afraid to=20 purchase a computer from a retailer for the purpose of live looping.=20
I didn't state you were ridiculous, just the "part" about "It's=20 simpler than buying a car by a long shot."
 
When you take into account the common commodity that a vehicle is, then= =20 compare that to the highly specialized need that an audio dedicated laptop=20 represents, I don't think so.
 
My point is this: When you take into account the law of averages, it=20 becomes quickly apparent that the needs of the many far and away out weigh t= he=20 few. Musicians/DJs/Sound Engineers that require or choose to use laptop= =20 computers are indeed the few as compared to the countless numbers of=20 laptop users whose needs are fully met by the typical configuration of=20 commercial computers. The manipulation of the BIOS is also not something tha= t=20 you "choose" or "pick" like an item on a diner menu at your favorite restaur= ant.=20 Most computer users that have been using computers everyday for the last 10=20 years have merely "heard" of the BIOS at best. Until you have a NEED to= =20 learn about such, there is positively no need to become in anyway famil= iar=20 with such.
 
As far as Google is concerned, try researching a car purchase as oppose= d to=20 the highly specialized computer needs of the members of this group from a de= ad=20 roll. That should take about 3 seconds to put in perspective whether you are= a=20 member of this group or not.
 
Music dedicated computers and typical commercial computers with respect= to=20 their set up and configuration is like comparing East to West. There is none= .=20 The knowledge as to their non surface level set up and configuration is anyt= hing=20 but common or simple and that's just the software aspect.
 
Sincerely & RESPECTFULLY my friend, encouraging entry level an= d=20 even moderately advanced computer literate musicians to do some "simple" onl= ine=20 research in order to set up there own music dedicated computers wi= ll=20 yield MUCH frustration to say the very least. Even if they ha= ve a=20 very accurate understanding of their OS and hardware needs. There are so man= y=20 more specifics involved.=20          


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-------------------------------1188488408-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 15:55:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37C243BF83; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UEY+ifjSl5jo0Gjcnr3bZ7O6750GxkdHFFccdw6tAIruUpnszQr8d5LGjiCVaKhNg+B7u9rAcn3YzgKJmT7NSDeBAto6l2EgisyzwGSbWRrsMHPh34aPYQjnEMlex4+6/bs7rRlxQAtQCJ0NvNkIj3p2T39NZ9YP7fkEV5lis+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sPm3oXJtzAkWbkq9dSEntRP5HCXYtIFbqPe660IgIZReF49NX2hEjFn00OQMxd/HbLONTME2gcXACPOh8yh1ywNjEJPAc3x+WN132SX9I5H/S3P47NHh38blwFjBKBn3YwboCKxoWUfHlIIWWsZZpRC/pEMpFNdKI2EnN7aTTQ4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:55:06 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to find some files In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Can't you just do CMD-F from the Finder and use the built in search utility--Spotlight? I always finding myself wishing that my Windows machine at work had something that worked as easily and quickly as that. On 8/30/07, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > when I stumbled on this, it was because I was sure there must be a utility > for mac os that lets you search for files by the same criteria as the search > tool in windows. in particular, I was getting fed up of losing disc space to > things like AVI captures made in error while using final-cut or even > i-movie. these apps specialise in hiding big chunks of media in "project > files", making it diffcult to clean out the hard drive without destroying > metadata. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:08:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 144123BF79; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uAszgswVHUr+XUfZWiIkqwGE/t6rbhZOY/xinx0yf1/SE4cBrdZQWq8MXIxR9p9yr0YHEvmirPlGdL7Le+bDGNUZkG/capTdMhgwHaltbb0KQQ9DmvwG9YUMtBgzJjaLAi0ydH5hkyzJmdha6eBcWqWH5liijyMgf1sFFJ5TU00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dsHSeGwbKJwH2eR4EqkbpIw85IIQua6sH/W9qhjyOecbsHGJvFc01lMe2Zz4hvctacIMdJcpcef79dyAJyZvmXH/fjPZ00eO/JRMXA1NixrCc/nIBdOb/YagBontb2QXL9OzTEXm14SWA8Rod1CS3mDY8O+L7xp8m4IBiwHp0Vw= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:08:28 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a war In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5539_32875790.1188490108862" References: Resent-Message-ID: <3vaRAD.A._dC.Duu1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:08:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5539_32875790.1188490108862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you want to pay way too much for a computer, go for it :) ------=_Part_5539_32875790.1188490108862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you want to pay way too much for a computer, go for it :)
------=_Part_5539_32875790.1188490108862-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:11:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 472453BF96; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XoNuq6JhuVZxpJxb/o7r+MXmtXL8HLheAbHHfX5kpOGBCD537wJ4ftu7FmnSjZL99Yse2Uw8YTq5diWU41+DzfjRFNk4HlD2KicR0wS1Ln43BzmtZBD7Euh2pEJbUx1RRqWNRUfbGHLbaLejbuZV+dqTJtFUbPsPBC6XxbRw2/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L7fxR5fMaQFd3m8LLgeuGkG1YEuYi739WMkIyEv3ONCrku4WDygY9tOhqk2qruP3DE8qrBzv0LKJNKFvEl8LqUF82pu3ckdKJJWx2chKPZr7SS/U4E/pd8Fi3da+3AaR3V84Ma72LOr9Sv2rcBVR8D8mRvZCK0QuRHknOI/yOpU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:11:17 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to find some files In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2442_12254662.1188490277417" References: <0ab601c7ea72$edf7f490$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7DDAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2442_12254662.1188490277417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You can use the "Windows key"+F or press F3 in Windows to bring up the Windows search. I love OS X (spent all day on it doing design work and software testing and maintenance for a design department), but I also quite like Windows XP. I personally prefer the search functionality of Windows to Spotlight. Personally, I think Apple took a step backward when they introduced Spotlight. Prior to Tiger, searching was faster and more reliable. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 8/30/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Can't you just do CMD-F from the Finder and use the built in search > utility--Spotlight? I always finding myself wishing that my Windows > machine at work had something that worked as easily and quickly as > that. > ------=_Part_2442_12254662.1188490277417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You can use the "Windows key"+F or press F3 in Windows to bring up the Windows search. I love OS X (spent all day on it doing design work and software testing and maintenance for a design department), but I also quite like Windows XP. I personally prefer the search functionality of Windows to Spotlight. Personally, I think Apple took a step backward when they introduced Spotlight. Prior to Tiger, searching was faster and more reliable.

Cheers,
Jon Southwood

On 8/30/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Can't you just do CMD-F from the Finder and use the built in search
utility--Spotlight?  I always finding myself wishing that my Windows
machine at work had something that worked as easily and quickly as
that.

------=_Part_2442_12254662.1188490277417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6643BF9F; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 601332446-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.172.248 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAB+K1kZPQqz4/2dsb2JhbACCJKU2 Message-ID: <46D6EDE1.60908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:18:41 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: the first 24 hours References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) In the first 24 hours of the LD Off Topic List we have 5 messages, but one of them mentions looping In that same time period on the On-topic LD list 157 messages 4 of which are on topic 10 have OT in the title well, that's a bit unfair, some of the mac vs pc stuff contains info that might help a laptop looper, it's only a rough count. It clearly doesn't work to ask people to put OT in the title, and anyway not all of us have email filter skills. I think the off topic list offers subscribers a useful chance to discuss non-looping subjects without worrying about clogging up the main list with posts that have little or no relevance to the core subject. As to all things being related, I fear that before the relevance of the antics of politicians in Idaho to looping can be made apparent we shall all be long dead. i.e. obviously all things are related in some way, but lets consider whether that relationship is actually significant. please reply on the Off-topic list if at all :-) I promise not to continue this thread here even if Kris says something really tempting. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 16:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7FDF3BF6C; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:30:34 EDT Subject: Re: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1188491434" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3_X3mB.A.qtD.7Cv1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:30:51 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1188491434 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2007 12:08:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, uncledig@gmail.com writes: If you want to pay way too much for a computer, go for it :) Actually Sonica Labs is pretty spot on with their pricing. There are some real advantages to the drive clone software and support these companies off as well. One other HUGE distinction here and I do apologize for not making this clear. This scenario concerns PCs only because those are all I am familiar with. For me, according to the spin, this is the one thing that makes a Mac computer incredibly attractive as opposed to a PC. The Macs (according to Mac users) are so much more musician friendly and their hardware is typically stone cool as well with the exception of the piss poor price tag. ;-) I am CERTAIN the heavy Mac users here will know many a tip n trick to optimizing these machines right out of the box but for whatever reason they don't seem to require as much set up. (from what I have heard) Per, and other advanced Mac familiars, is this true? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------------------------1188491434 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:08:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C14B3BF78; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p5nbrTl4sZpHKUOpQcxAWuyHVQh+MNe+lqBp0br3KEk/gcDsvDxKO1xQdgGFSg9l1096Ea9dG9kT6/0VCVrgXe6lvb1YkRwDTipO9iDd901QeqXpy2A03h+3q7ExtV1xL9rmpbgdcjsQkiZ7OsJopfJyW/b2+EZP5iVLOUEDnPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dcQ6z/v0VUqWuinBS7Hc+IdPWT9SaHGvNeL4ZhZDXI7WRzgc5SY10GVfbHSwENLLcSEKdoe2WKVoJwoqhkagpIdPwfkQ7x1ULa+dJa49VOGVpfNn783sNSejIPoyVVxSPqGb0qe5A5FGXZI8XCMd8sDG3O74y8TP4cabHqTuQps= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:08:43 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5858_20991695.1188497323633" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:08:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5858_20991695.1188497323633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think we'll hear a definitive YES to that. We've heard it plenty of times before, and I don't dispute it at all. But as a "for instance" - a Macbook Pro (Intel CPU) that tries to use 4MB of RAM will also face the config problem I mentioned before. You'd have to know how to configure it to use the full 4GB - Apple doesn't do that for you. All of these examples point to the fact that you can't reasonably expect to buy a computer and use it for heavy audio work without also expecting to learn a good bit about the dials and knobs - at least, if you want to succeed. Or if your pockets are lined with gold, and you want someone else to handle it for you - which will cost you plenty of your gold. I know a good bit about computers, but I'd die a quick and miserable death if I tried to be a computer tech. Yet, I was able to make it work with a retail computer. My stance is still this: you don't HAVE to pay someone to optimize your computer for audio. Buy retail with the appropriate features, and you can do it yourself with only a little effort. Paying someone (a whole lot) extra also does not assure you of being able to manage your computer through future changes. It's a bit of a racket. ------=_Part_5858_20991695.1188497323633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think we'll hear a definitive YES to that.  We've heard it plenty of times before, and I don't dispute it at all.

But as a "for instance" - a Macbook Pro (Intel CPU) that tries to use 4MB of RAM will also face the config problem I mentioned before.  You'd have to know how to configure it to use the full 4GB - Apple doesn't do that for you.

All of these examples point to the fact that you can't reasonably expect to buy a computer and use it for heavy audio work without also expecting to learn a good bit about the dials and knobs - at least, if you want to succeed.  Or if your pockets are lined with gold, and you want someone else to handle it for you - which will cost you plenty of your gold.

I know a good bit about computers, but I'd die a quick and miserable death if I tried to be a computer tech.  Yet, I was able to make it work with a retail computer.  My stance is still this:  you don't HAVE to pay someone to optimize your computer for audio.  Buy retail with the appropriate features, and you can do it yourself with only a little effort.  Paying someone (a whole lot) extra also does not assure you of being able to manage your computer through future changes.  It's a bit of a racket.
------=_Part_5858_20991695.1188497323633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E71B3BF8A; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hy0hEXSl0QQLGMAmE2tnM1meoLoP0NH2X3oaBPxMg0lKQBCskOw7JHFPfHFI89HNqZHLWqdBwsm4tKH8W38xPlbXFbmNELrBH8knm/uv0Y0yYWNdJ/4C4/cFguBhzhe0OaDRD0dIa3BRTo/4mF3LdkssEDYPcdDZ7Ssls1eSDkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oGHA5NtfVelOGpbyy6qWsuxMFWHb98G8oeM0Yq5ylibqh+YzW4JfwUFCDq/7mofYsW8TTZdyoYonjNvRXp23BKxuhrwbG+Sua88y+m7ku2mnpNSBhutYcUfsir4/P8+SZ8SktcYwolFfXEg3JOMZGOwBO4X103H9xZXPQP4FOqo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F9F4298-5902-45D9-A04D-F14DBC71A8F5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:17:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:17:51 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 18.30, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > I am CERTAIN the heavy Mac users here will know many a tip n trick > to optimizing these machines right out of the box but for whatever > reason they don't seem to require as much set up. (from what I have > heard) > > Per, and other advanced Mac familiars, is this true? Turn off the screen saver. If you use a Mac laptop, also turn off the energy saving function. I think that's it. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 18:58:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1418A3BF70; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D721DA.8090407@imt.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:00:26 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:58:25 +0000 (UTC) BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/30/2007 4:45:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sounddoctorin@imt.net writes: > > In the political arena of today it's a game > > The ONLY thing that will ever cure the American political system is to > destroy it. Fully agree. > Like a field that needs burning to insure a better future crop. The > ideas are great when it comes to democracy and it would most certainly > work minus 100% of the current greed driven saturation level special > interests. I KNOW this is Looper's Delight as I am merely pointing how > the Roman Empire is just about to come full circle. > Yeah I was talking to guys at the Ricochet gathering last night about it. Bill Fox mentioned that he's part of a band that tries to do more thoughtful sons (Tull, Floyd, etc.) but people don't want to hear it. They want to heard the same dumb crap that's been overplayed and never really said anything in the first place. I told him it was a facet of our underchallenged culture. People have been sold false security, told they have the right to have a job and get paid even if they don't produce anything OR the government owes them a meal ticket etc. Meanwhile we're being sold out because a system like that can't support itself. BUT..the result is people who want idle music. They don't want to be challenged. They want to be comfortably numb as it were. Better political awareness makes for better music. Seems on topic to me. :-) -Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:15:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93CF53BF68; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DEE7B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <8F9F4298-5902-45D9-A04D-F14DBC71A8F5@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question Thread-Index: AcfrMhTuY7DTNcMGQ3unUO41VDLPzgABjJQw References: <8F9F4298-5902-45D9-A04D-F14DBC71A8F5@gmail.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:15:46 +0000 (UTC) > Turn off the screen saver. If you use a Mac laptop, also turn off the > energy saving function. I think that's it. Wireless networking? How about that thing that pops up every few days telling me I need to update iTunes, there must be a background process running similar to Windows Update that you want to turn off. Spotlight relies on the indexing of files, similar to the way Find works in Windows, though probably better. Still this indexing has to happen sometime, is there a background process for this you need to turn off? You probably want to disable activation of the Dashboard with hot corners unless you're going to be very careful with the mouse. Many of the Windows tuning tips involve disabling flashy graphics like window open/close animations. Does this not apply to=20 the Mac "genie" animations? =20 In general I'm not convinced that a Mac inherently never requires tuning. Maybe out of the box it is much less bloated than Windows, but you can make Unix be just as unstable as Windows if you're not careful about what you install. 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Saiba mais em http://www.iol.pt/correio/rodape.php?dst=0707183 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 19:36:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F573BF74; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aB+kZRGZlzyvx87X23Br6QExFZiuIrV7hs9XeagSJXcCJrlCOd9Clv1QOzLR0OW7gb6HubRP6W+SkA3evvlEY9mT7UI/tXViKmHGJC0AB3pBbifCrQBzqpWaWeXxmwglofw1IUqaaAMwB96gpehFA7sYXiWQLcln5Bi8ofZ5Bus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LMYKro4DXnNSQZOFlY0SvnD98JkHz4LftevQbA4Atq61rPMB+0HfLWQN1tXyy68dsIrACxCKTL2Ex03YaSFicCJSMZC5kBrtPJgscx1OjjppRwbuoEmvE6+j1NoZnood2q7eCKcALepadI/miXUWzyhAs/ph3E4ITdAOLDBj3bw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DEE7B@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <8F9F4298-5902-45D9-A04D-F14DBC71A8F5@gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DEE7B@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: im about to start a Per (and other sages) Question Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:35:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:36:05 +0000 (UTC) >> Turn off the screen saver. If you use a Mac laptop, also turn off the >> energy saving function. I think that's it. On 30 aug 2007, at 21.15, Jeff Larson wrote: > Wireless networking? Well, I forgot about that because I don't use it. I actually didn't know my Powerbook had built-in bluetooth until the day I received a mysterious picture from a cell phone chatting woman out in the street as I was indoors leading a Logic course for music teachers. They all had their Macs connected to the school's network by cables. I, the only not networked person, suddenly received this picture file just out of nowhere. Spooky. So that's how I learned that my mac has wireless. Maybe I should turn it off. Will do that if I ever use that box on a gig again. Thanks for the tip! > How about that thing that pops up every few days telling me > I need to update iTunes, there must be a background process > running similar to Windows Update that you want to turn off. Oops... I never use any background stuff. The OS X system preferences is very easy to understand and it takes you only a couple of minutes to set it up the way you want it. My choice is to check out software upgrades manually. That's why there are no such pop-ups. BTW, I set up my Windows laptop the same way, don't even have internet on it. > Spotlight relies on the indexing of files, similar to the way Find > works in Windows, though probably better. Still this indexing has to > happen sometime, is there a background process for this you need to > turn off? You mean it starts searching for something just like that - spontaneously? > You probably want to disable activation of the Dashboard with > hot corners unless you're going to be very careful with the mouse. Oh darn.... forgot about that too. It was so long ago that I disabled the dashboard on my Powerbook. I'm not sure I would do that on a modern Mac though. Mine is a 1,25 GHz G4. > Many of the Windows tuning tips involve disabling flashy graphics > like window open/close animations. Does this not apply to > the Mac "genie" animations? No, I don't think so. But anyone who has a Mac handy can try if stability and performance is affected by keeping the "genie" active. > In general I'm not convinced that a Mac inherently never requires > tuning. Maybe out of the box it is much less bloated than Windows, > but you can make Unix be just as unstable as Windows if you're not > careful about what you install. From what I've heard with Mac users a new OSX system needs a period to "settle" before reaching its best performance. I think that has to do with the Unix processes for self maintenance. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 20:53:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3AF23BF81; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pViHIQu/su63Cs/H3iOciDkXhhQj+72zzNVXkKlxKE1mVUEjDRJ9r/jwkLn5tJR0TRubACO35nRMRz4E5P2RMtqxiRuS+b+OUKwTuo5kPZODUGZkN5Vl/Sctj+/V5BJi0rfqI1mANniKOxJ6we8lAeEH1QeZJRtvszTKvrxKhHs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bawXJ86frUKenKlAgKJqcDu/rEykv9lYhPLXrvtLYua6bk1VUiI24bi+3h81uLzRn2+WlKinXPj3LO7lIyklTdMWNeG5umRgf6eAgT7Su3/vp0BU02foXY6pjrMOhZJS7mb5B8Y6+Jr/9kRJ6Xg/N6DXDohisaj1PbmPfwO4nxM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <599271.24685.qm@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <599271.24685.qm@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56919A59-4F0C-436A-9125-360E33BDC0C2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live(streamning) from punkt - Hassel - Molvaer Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:53:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) On 30 aug 2007, at 20.04, rune fagereng wrote: > Live From PUNKT FESTIVAL NORWAY > > Thu 30.Aug - Sat 1.Sept 9 PM Oslo Time > > One of Norways most exiting Festivals Featuring Jon > Hassel - Peter Schwab - Michyo Yagi- Nils Petter > Molvaer and many more. > Check Progam Here:Punkt Festival > > Watch Live from www.buggesroom.com > > Click on Picture to start stream > > Chat after the concert > Go here:Chat > > Check out clips from previous Concerts > Studio Concerts > > Rune fagereng -Norway Thank you, Rune! The streaming is working fine but I have only managed to catch sound-checks so far. Or if there is something wrong with the mixer resulting in only one of many channels being streamed. Will go back to the page now and then to check out if it's getting better. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 21:05:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AD3B3BF85; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DpFVyWTcjgnTvxEW4/qR4h+RLVS8Yufc3vhctM4v6goKSHFI8sfBgYVWZcc2YYPgqOuEO9IibnOmsoau+5HGyqmqA8e5aeqGJonJeFxP+SsmUJDol//GkN9a1E5H8HwT+eq42B7UhoLTGPxkRdPOS8ZGQNeZP6uJnqBzNz4ruso=; X-YMail-OSG: gZqSzrUVM1kpX_qcUp19oDaGLz.DH.6Zi5AeSAX6C1vo5DdVuklZnGS7dHyOGe1Zbg-- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <082920072148.10401.46D5E9980002042F000028A12215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <372789.34771.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Look at it this way..... Republicans have very high standards & fail to achieve them. Democrats take the easier course of having no standards at all. :) --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants > down. Isnt this like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those > guys can party! I guess "family values" is code for > I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the > twin cities and those layovers can get real boring. > I loved the opening line from his press conference: > "Thank you for coming out today". Hilarious. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 30 21:38:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF513BF7E; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=dD4tnLnKFEJr4CEedbLQF3ODxbqfLDWQKW8buY2etA4wshh7LKblc/9Lt0yu29BR92zfcUcWq4LhTbq80aL77Kyk0IpXvbHYyqumJl5Tug5v7yY3OKqGZLKA6ecebjqU1UR+Qfjq55rtpGQAnFXA/ygViYSz23q4hlIvByvIYys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=GgyiqvbKGmK/MsZ9hZvgWHA8XP2jIAOsX5hUMrd7z1JPHf+/XhtVmCMUN3ek7qH7G0BxH30TuTjqlgjJsEtepTgStnYBfC2oimXad2X9W8J7cNwMHvBSr9T+9M49KUvHPgnTpvmGoYAUZ/c5qvbpCtaIkK0ItASYFiLtNLB5oOU= Message-ID: <008401c7eb4e$20d847d0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: To: References: <46D6EDE1.60908@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: OT: Re: the first 24 hours Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:38:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7EB5E.E3A25BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <2WR3vD.A.vJD.kjz1GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:38:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C7EB5E.E3A25BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well, quite.. thats says it all Andy, the reason that people write here is = that its a community, and they wanna say their piece (look at me now!!) so = they do it ON list... I live in Norway, you live in... er.. Cambridge (=3F=3F=3F)= I dont even know where Idaho is=3F (somewhere in Canada s my guess=3F) let alo= ne whats going on there... I dint start the book topic (that started this t= hread) but it was me that mentioned Potter.. You know LD is a BIG LIST with FAR too many posts to read everyday, if you= have a job. So if you are here, you are gonna have to skip the odd thread.= .. I'd skip the Idaho one if I were you... I mean ... to be honest, I'm a bit peeved off by the number of loopers who = have gone over to laptop on this list (gutless spotty geeks with no body ha= ir - every last one of them...) and this list is fast becomng a list about = Drivers and CPU and Latency and Mhz and Gigajiggets and AAAHHHHGGGHHH!!!! AND THATS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TOPIC=3F=3F=3F=3F=3F (but I dont complain... much) (Rambling seethng complaint follows) As an interactive film-maker I work with computers (nasty horrible useless = plastic crap that they are) and when I come home I wanna play geetar throug= h wires, into circuits in metal boxes with knobs (lots of them... ) and wai= t till the neighbours call round... (just like my music, this sentance went= nowhere, so Im stopping)..... OK last book thing... Any one read Finegans Wake=3F Just finshed after a 2 ye= ar read... OH WAIT... SHIT ... the book loops... Im right back ON TOPIC ...= DAMN! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist=3Fid=3D184310747 thank-you -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14070 spam emails to date. 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well, quite.. = thats says it all Andy, the reason that people write here is that its a community, and they wanna say their piece (look at me now!!) so they do it = ON list... I live in Norway, you live in... er.. Cambridge (=3F=3F=3F) I dont even k= now where Idaho is=3F (somewhere= in Canada s my guess=3F) let alone whats going on there... I dint start the book= topic (that started this thread) but it was me that mentioned Potter..
 
You know LD is a BIG LIST  with FAR too many posts to read everyday, if you have a job. So if you are here, you are gonna have to skip= the odd thread... I'd skip the Idaho one if I were you...
 
I mean ... to be honest, I'm a bit peeved off = by the number of loopers who have gone over to laptop on this list (gutless sp= otty geeks with no body hair - every last one of them...) and this list is = fast becomng a list about Drivers and CPU and Latency and Mhz and Gigajiggets an= d AAAHHHHGGGHHH!!!!
 
AND THATS SUPPOSED TO BE ON TOPIC=3F=3F=3F=3F=3F<= /DIV>
(but I dont complain... much)
 
(Rambling seethng complaint follows)
As an interactive film-maker I work with compu= ters (nasty horrible useless plastic crap th= at they are) and when I come home I wanna play geetar through wires, into circ= uits in metal boxes with knobs (lots of them... ) and wait till the neighbours c= all round... (just like my music, this sentance went nowhere, so Im stopping).....
 
OK last book thing... Any one read Finegans Wa= ke=3F Just finshed after a 2 year read... OH WAIT... SHIT ... the book loops... I= m right back ON TOPIC ... DAMN!
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:27:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F2473BFAD; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qG1PL3CiZJ1Yf1JF1uuU6R0n4TauQ2yxu4swxwPqASFrIXcWy6tGfVGITLU3Udg9AkjYA8PgMV/WDu8aut1KWlScDbK7t+imCHDyL4jbJBMDJEcAt/GP9MJGHiT6XXkpg4CWVtbzRk2jYtJWUpiV/tf8ssbv4SJuG+2BhF1+Pas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pYfAxv8Yx3yMGH6DBimya56deOS9KeGK4aWpKEwFShStLUElHHdniJR7lr4l3dX8ktyRgP55GTPpRNGhktw6IJ488rYyQszaV68t6rcZH+C/T0Tq9alKC6yDFiD2721yCsLEmQezX7vjsKwPonAJrE0MYJiuZLNNFiHVJT8steo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:27:06 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6413_1232779.1188574026929" References: Resent-Message-ID: <0l_US.A.fRH.LND2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:27:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6413_1232779.1188574026929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321 http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.shtml ------=_Part_6413_1232779.1188574026929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321

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------=_Part_6413_1232779.1188574026929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80FC83BFC4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 584755805 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT fretless Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7E5C3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT fretless Thread-Index: Acfr43fVcjoK9z8dSNWiNVXQgg7Ofw== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2007 15:27:40.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[780A4130:01C7EBE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:27:44 +0000 (UTC) >>I see no reason to use epoxy,it's not removeable and will change the resonant character of the wood,as it doesn't flex the same way If you think you need a hard finish,a standard finish from plyuerathane to nitro cullulose should work fine.<< I can't speak for jaco, but many other bassists who've defretted their instruments, especially ones that they like, are concerned about the deleterious effects of roundwound strings on the unprotected wood.=20 I have a few fretless necks myself where a couple of years of using r/w strings has left it's mark on the fingerboard. eventually, this interferes with the playing action, causing buzzes & so forth.=20 I think jaco realised this when he acquired his first fretless bass- the frets had been taken out by a previous owner ("it looked like someone had taken a hatchet to it!"). his response was to try to get a finish like glass, which with the roundwound strings he used resulted in the distinctive bright sound he wanted, actually much closer to the sound of a fretted instrument than some of the fretless basses that have come along since. so if I want my fretless rickenbacker (a professionally defretted 4001) to sound like a regular 4001, with roundwound strings & no long-term fingerboard damage, then epoxy is probably the way to go. the trick is to stop the wood from soaking up too much of the liquid, & persuade the coating to stay on the surface.....=20 d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 15:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C63D3BFC8; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: infrared midi controller? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46D84540.13043.1A885FA@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070831135322.07B5F3BFB8@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know of a commercial standalone infrared midi controller? I've googled without much luck. I'd love to take an airFX to pieces and mount the controller on the end of a lead, but mistakes could be expensive! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:11:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F8F3BFBC; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=DAYKu0w7m2iy7LWzuMmgauz52Xv13yoy4n5R/BuoAKqaFWVTGGD1IPJgAfdx0oeFe+hq/fTxo2z1gEa8uHFFlntat0/Gmm5zg3OSbm329GzPR6LjoJSvZg75HYROr3fiAerjO+qBq85gC128xOCBEwM4rDACx8R2sfu2VbV1omA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=SLmh4YCtbywxlcg8t6vrbXeBcedmoERsm90YttRcx9dB4Cxo9xJLalmlx4i2EntiUVdrVwoQkQZuH9/bsWgoplV4ufBEVLeDwxD03BoBtc4spE0V92Cg23oW5DxF67gVDTs+KzzZw9CQ1400O27cuKJieg1FlpDePwJzOSnaaMU= Message-ID: <00ad01c7ebe9$8a35afb0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: To: References: Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:11:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="response" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:11:14 +0000 (UTC) > how many are familiar with the group SEVERED HEADS from Australia? Certainly am!! AND have brought them up on ths very list as often as appropriate without seeming strange. They truly blew my mind back in the 80's and introduced me to the 8 track tape loop... The reason Im into Video synthesis is them, and rng modulators and modular synths (altho Tand Dream may have played a part) Were they ever CD-sed?? I only have them on vinyl... does anyone know a torrent for them, would LOVE to have them on the EmptyPeeThreePlayer... stll hum the beginnng of one of their weirder loop pieces... BaDaddellAhhhDer... BBaDaddellAhhhDer ...BaDaddellAhhhDer...BaDaddellAhhhDer then it goes... Dee diddle dee dah Dee diddle dee dah Dee diddle dee dah fantastico! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=184310747 thank-you -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94F83BFCB; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT: favourite premastering effects chain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:13:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c7ebe9$ec3d82f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acfr6ewPUDp5tFCHQsyyP1ZDWTrQ0A== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1Ic+g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <80Ujy.A.DiB.q4D2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, when going from mixdown to premaster, what is your favourite toolchain. Especially questions like: * what is the usual order and choice of devices (not specific model, more generally parametric EQ, compressor, limiter) ? * is there a standard setup, or do you change devices/order from case to case? * which devices (here, the make and model counts)? * digital or analogue? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:37:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3653BFD4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GuwtzFD1EjCupV12GqK4dT/Xn9hcyABsDNkHTJI8g5dUj4oUxIN2iKQtdIg7WMJtR4pAxmkfXzMx5Kcx8a4c2Mc+Ci1WAgtnERs+R5rh82A8htBblM0v94VIpY/E5Ox80JFD3ozKfLQaDqDPPXc70uojWYjEtruN5p3AP57xIAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M5mUna/zV702gRo3FWrrKA+eyH2UUTQq9HiCJ9i/feuCQKvM4+yL7Tns4DXBbUN8blMU4tFn1F1yo8IAhsgD/XV0P+hWZeePK2Cq0dKEhy6U7f1LrRGLnNT3bJsbEcR5MMBVVM9sI2ti7hX28dpRyGfr7zgC62XyAdMqW9HVgzE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000e01c7ebe9$ec3d82f0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000e01c7ebe9$ec3d82f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: favourite premastering effects chain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:37:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:37:44 +0000 (UTC) On 31 aug 2007, at 18.13, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > when going from mixdown to premaster, what is your favourite > toolchain. > Especially questions like: > > * what is the usual order and choice of devices (not specific model, > more generally parametric EQ, compressor, limiter) ? > * is there a standard setup, or do you change devices/order from > case to case? > * which devices (here, the make and model counts)? > * digital or analogue? > > Thanks, > > Rainer A) First I create a stereo file of the mix without any mastering treatment at all. B) Then I do a certain classic mastering treatment that looks like this: Stereo Mix clone 1 --> phase inverting Stereo Mix clone 2 --> stereo swapping Stereo Mix clone 3 --> mono Stereo Mix clone 1 + Stereo Mix clone 2 --> merged into Sub mix 1 (carefully balancing levels The mono signal added to Sub mix 1 (carefully balancing levels) Final Stereo Output --> stereo swapping (to get Left and Right right again) C) Then I am at the stage where your posted questions are relevant. To the final stereo output I apply processing as below: Combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter and goniometer (not affecting sound, only for reading out data), EQ, multi band compressor (sometimes, not always), limiter, a second combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter and goniometer. The only change I do from project to project is that I do not always use a multi band compressor. In multi channel projects I usually achieve the requested musical dynamics by treatments of each single track. I use only the devices that are part of Logic Pro. They are digital. __________________ (Disclaimer) You asked for "pre mastering" so it might be that you intend to have a professional mastering engineer treat the mix? These days I rarely do that but back when I was associated with record labels that was the way to go, and then it is the basic stereo file as in (A) above that should be delivered to the mastering house. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 16:46:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AEB3BFCD; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UxSJMYCx1wxBcNtwm1qt/QwGqzs5bDhXzCpQ8pCyt9WLz41GeQh86BNIDcvmR4GcGLcgC0Pem2EuFdn1nJlokC8JiLuegBjFItsdT/1Q0E3zxUpBO1P6vV6b3McmqqBgJizeFaYUc+oDqcpjBVfHgwMZnenBL7bbwRrttPgydIc=; X-YMail-OSG: gZCw0hQVM1mDqcf5sPD3ZsHpiRHthn2WF50RQ2iAXayd2xpK4HhckGjYL2wyfEqekA-- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: OT fretless To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7E5C3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <976898.74106.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all for your input, seems like going fretless is about as optional as any other choices for guitar, it's more about preference. I've since done some research as well, and have discovered there are as many ways to be fretless as there are having frets, for instance, some people use a glass fingerboard that has replaced the traditional wood one, or even a stainless steel fingerboard. Some use polyurethane, some use epoxy some don't do anything, so I guess it's all a matter of preference. I think what I might do, if I ever get serious enough to play fretless, is actually order myself a fretless neck from a parts company and use a real good guitar instead of a cheap, plywood bodied guitar. --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > >>I see no reason to use epoxy,it's not removeable > and will change the > resonant character of the wood,as it doesn't flex > the same way If you > think you need a hard finish,a standard finish from > plyuerathane to > nitro cullulose should work fine.<< > > I can't speak for jaco, but many other bassists > who've defretted their > instruments, especially ones that they like, are > concerned about the > deleterious effects of roundwound strings on the > unprotected wood. > I have a few fretless necks myself where a couple of > years of using r/w > strings has left it's mark on the fingerboard. > eventually, this > interferes with the playing action, causing buzzes & > so forth. > > I think jaco realised this when he acquired his > first fretless bass- the > frets had been taken out by a previous owner ("it > looked like someone > had taken a hatchet to it!"). his response was to > try to get a finish > like glass, which with the roundwound strings he > used resulted in the > distinctive bright sound he wanted, actually much > closer to the sound of > a fretted instrument than some of the fretless > basses that have come > along since. > > so if I want my fretless rickenbacker (a > professionally defretted 4001) > to sound like a regular 4001, with roundwound > strings & no long-term > fingerboard damage, then epoxy is probably the way > to go. the trick is > to stop the wood from soaking up too much of the > liquid, & persuade the > coating to stay on the surface..... > > d. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:06:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EC033BFD4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7ebe9$8a35afb0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <00ad01c7ebe9$8a35afb0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <934002EA-6157-4788-8A92-407E47675CD2@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:05:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:11 AM, wrote: >> how many are familiar with the group SEVERED HEADS from Australia? > > Certainly am!! AND have brought them up on ths very list as often > as appropriate without seeming strange. They truly blew my mind > back in the 80's and introduced me to the 8 track tape loop... The > reason Im into Video synthesis is them, and rng modulators and > modular synths Excellent! > (altho Tand Dream may have played a part) Same here. Along with Cluster, Heldon, and many others... > > Were they ever CD-sed?? Some were and others were not. This site has not been updated in awhile, but it will likely answer most of your questions. A LOT of info here! http://www.severed-heads.co.uk/faq.html > I only have them on vinyl... Same here, including some of the VERY early and likely rare things too. THANKFULLY! > does anyone know a torrent for them, would LOVE to have them on the > EmptyPeeThreePlayer... stll hum the beginnng of one of their > weirder loop pieces... > > BaDaddellAhhhDer... > BBaDaddellAhhhDer ...BaDaddellAhhhDer...BaDaddellAhhhDer then it > goes... Dee diddle dee dah Dee diddle dee dah Dee diddle > dee dah Har! > fantastico! Indeed.... -Rev. Fever > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com > He writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist? > id=184310747 > thank-you > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 14074 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07DB83BFA5; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=H9MqbjgFm5pPTJEBUCW+0XgtMS8YfiaqtWy25ggM+DHVgDhu/gOQK0FfoTMWm26pzQWbtNtR8a2SGpxkvTUvvKwBKcSEqBnuNqXEYj4dZ6zDHwUJQY6lqDk1fYi/wr1j9VTDEIg42sxI3LU/9v7Mj2teMaeV66Y9+M8vjW9gFmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XPoLlqd0ythqFFue/Jk+7Ec7JxzFPeIVIrayPAYUoa+Mur7chvB5jpZlMZ0oUkF8096hgBeWmCTvWkT8YJTkXqivTlxC3ewg6Jb20Kh0KtkFAQheCePLzvMYbnwXQECuuzxD9k336Ogy6mhuQE1wNgMdgavp+gZhfsg8qP9vuyg= Message-ID: <4759e5740708311014o483d356bia51cd12146e1be88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:14:34 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: favourite premastering effects chain In-Reply-To: <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6125_15651453.1188580474295" References: <000e01c7ebe9$ec3d82f0$1001a8c0@succubus> <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:14:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6125_15651453.1188580474295 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dear per, can you describe this first stage a little more? why do you do all of this? I thought of just doing a google search on phase invertion, i.e., but i'd much rather hear it from your mouth (cuz you're descrips are thorough... ), that is, if you're willing and have the time.. . i'd love to learn more about mastering is the point... this would be a good start for me to understand. thanks man... t. On 8/31/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > > A) First I create a stereo file of the mix without any mastering > treatment at all. > > > B) Then I do a certain classic mastering treatment that looks like this: > > Stereo Mix clone 1 --> phase inverting > Stereo Mix clone 2 --> stereo swapping > Stereo Mix clone 3 --> mono > > Stereo Mix clone 1 + Stereo Mix clone 2 --> merged into Sub mix 1 > (carefully balancing levels > The mono signal added to Sub mix 1 (carefully balancing levels) > > ------=_Part_6125_15651453.1188580474295 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dear per,

can you describe this first stage a little more?  why do you do all of this?  I thought of just doing a google search on phase invertion, i.e., but i'd much rather hear it from your mouth (cuz you're descrips are thorough... ), that is, if you're willing and have the time.. .

i'd love to learn more about mastering is the point... this would be a good start for me to understand.

thanks man...

t.



On 8/31/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:




A) First I create a stereo file of the mix without any mastering
treatment at all.


B) Then I do a certain classic mastering treatment that looks like this:

Stereo Mix clone 1 --> phase inverting
Stereo Mix clone 2 --> stereo swapping
Stereo Mix clone 3 --> mono

Stereo Mix clone 1 + Stereo Mix clone 2 --> merged into Sub mix 1
(carefully balancing levels
The mono signal added to Sub mix 1 (carefully balancing levels)

------=_Part_6125_15651453.1188580474295-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:42:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63513BFD4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uDihCkKDn9ZCHdImpa8G3KWog6zb2bdtbzoEJWdvxcvo5r6W/feGsijAKYs1h658hjyt3TCpvVVa8x+fSajhhBnJsM8lIqyprp2kUN21t5TCdHvg9RaxaFSy+cnKWLQSn9ZvZeSKcjO7+a3kFbpAVYqAumt5LweOYcDESSydmdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ADRMCBjGoUKyhvsAPgT56e5Kd2U2LIOxiTQKk6N+Yeju78wN6WIJ3+ax12a/xma6g3ocYy7OcqiaegQs1+Q9Yt1uvoW0nm6pNirEMpalaKQbrRxjsFSmnZb3dBMVn99ym+cdOlqo7R1Y9WxU9TKkNSBNuBq1mIKBNmDDB8H7cgU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4759e5740708311014o483d356bia51cd12146e1be88@mail.gmail.com> References: <000e01c7ebe9$ec3d82f0$1001a8c0@succubus> <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> <4759e5740708311014o483d356bia51cd12146e1be88@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: favourite premastering effects chain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:42:06 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3YN0Y.A.AxF.8LF2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:42:20 +0000 (UTC) On 31 aug 2007, at 19.14, todd reynolds wrote: > can you describe this first stage a little more? why do you do all > of this? I thought of just doing a google search on phase invertion, Loud speakers is a good metaphor. When the membrane goes forwards it pushes air and when it goes backwards it sucks air. If you switch the plus and minus cable for the speaker of work in the opposite phase, as phases inverted! If you send a signal to two speakers and invert the phase for one of them the sound be cancelled out. But in the mastering example this doesn't happen because the "second speaker" (or channel here) is stereo swapped. So the phase cancel effect is only happening in the middle of the stereo filed, where both stereo signals do carry the same content. We get a "hole in the middle" stereo sound. To fill up that hole in the middle, ad the mono signal. Talking about this technique is not the best way to learn it, you should patch up a stere mix that way and fiddle round with it to see what happens. If adjusted carefully you can achieve a very good mono compatibility compared with a wide stereo image and better definition of details in the music. You can also ruin a mix if you overdo it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC87B3BFDA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: favourite premastering effects chain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:45:16 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c7ebf6$b0f1b060$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acfr7UFgAXCUrVWWQmKl/GYPK59jTQAB5p0Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1Ic+g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You said: > B) Then I do a certain classic mastering treatment that looks > like this: > > Stereo Mix clone 1 --> phase inverting > Stereo Mix clone 2 --> stereo swapping > Stereo Mix clone 3 --> mono > > Stereo Mix clone 1 + Stereo Mix clone 2 --> merged into Sub mix 1 > (carefully balancing levels > The mono signal added to Sub mix 1 (carefully balancing levels) Ok, just trying to understand (and also like Todd asked): why do you do this? More specifically, let's say I take a source signal with a strong center component (almost always true for bass, bassdrum etc.). So, this signal is a mid signal, and shall be the only content of M. Then we have a side signal S (the non-mono component), and that one relates to L and R as follows: L = M+S R = M-S Now for your mix clones, I will always postfix the channels with the number of your clone, e.g. the left channel of stereo mix clone 1 is L1. We get with the above equations: L1 = -M-S R1 = -M+S L2 = M-S R2 = M+S L3 = M R3 = M So, for the submix (which will get index s), we get: Ls = -M-S+M-S = -2S Rs = -M+S+M+S = 2S Now in the last stage, you mix that together with your Submix3, which gives you as your final mix: L = M+S R = M-S So, why do you do that? Is that a very complicated way of controlling the M/S balance? Then you said: > Combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter and > goniometer (not affecting sound, only for reading out data), > EQ, multi band compressor (sometimes, not always), limiter, a > second combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter > and goniometer. Is it always that order, and that choice of components? I.e. either EQ->Mcomp->Lim or EQ->Lim? Which means you never use a compressor pre-EQ? And then you asked: > You asked for "pre mastering" so it might be that you intend > to have a professional mastering engineer treat the mix? No, I'm just trying to use oldskool technology to appear more experienced ;) Historically (meaning: vinyl), "mastering" referred to the process of cutting the audio material into the master disc thingie from which the father, mother, son, daughter etc. were created to press the record. This stage had its own name because it required an experienced engineer to obtain top results. The stage before that in the signal chain, namely creating the audio which should feed the cutting thingie was called "pre mastering". Sometimes, these two steps happened in the same run, i.e. the mastering engineer would apply his pre mastering effects to the mixdown tape and at the same time have the cutter running (which required a cutter which could be restarted). Nowadays, as mastering is a fully-automatized and non-creative process, people tend to refer to what was formerly known as pre-mastering as mastering. So just terminology. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:51:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4B63BFDC; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: favourite premastering effects chain - post scriptum on the M/S topic Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:51:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7ebf7$8b5261f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2E9D9A2C-4978-4C51-B6DA-21AB2C530D1F@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acfr7UFgAXCUrVWWQmKl/GYPK59jTQACfbzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1Ic+g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <5lyuQB.A.dbG.FUF2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) An idea and a question: The idea: your stage B) is accomplished quite simply and without the need for submixes etc. by a lot of VST plugins, some of them free. The question: have you ever worked with a M/S signal in stage C? E.g. it might make sense to work on the M and S signal with different settings for compression and maybe even EQ. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 17:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C633BFEA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vjhJBa2ubFlbXccDDan267yxLYoUXr5tSfa9Z0+rUSpy0s8UpbRk36KysCHcNlVRDwhBzIl8PEHj0d+C15mbfDvHLHROe8oDFRvhaLy8lqVrH+qy0obZajqGXV9HwuYRGcsImVkgBcQwn6fM/VdnYE9CuJ2RRtS34poTQ02+N9g=; X-YMail-OSG: wT8tE5MVM1nr._olJ8Qn1A0VpeO3GQsO5_84jdQhsE76DCk5myItvcC.MxTub8kjN7APG2jZ45wCsFgZJM08qHocUsy5tS0dREFMXcIspc75mqYKYFAHS1VzY3xn_w-- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob West Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal odd behaviour - help? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1364219697-1188583196=:15826" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <548553.15826.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:59:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-1364219697-1188583196=:15826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks Travis, I replaced the Insert switch and it's all working again now. Advice to Echoplex owners : buy a bag of replacement switches from Mouser when you get time, you'll need 'em! Travis Hartnett wrote: It usually means that one of the switches has gotten dirt in it, or is wearing out. Get some contact cleaner, open up the foot controller and clean out the switches. You can check if the switch is clean by measuring the resistance of each switch when depressed and then comparing it to the resistance values that are posted on the LD site somewhere in the Tools of the Trade section. As I recall there's a base value for the leftmost switch, and then each one increases by a multiple of that as you move to the right. Switches that get used the most wear out sooner of course. TH On 8/28/07, Bob West wrote: > Hi all, > My 'Plex footpedal has started to behave a little weird, - if I tap the 'Insert' switch it will frequently send the unit into 'Multiply', and quite often the 'Multiincrease' mode of Multiply. > > Is this indicative of a dodgy Insert switch, a dodgy Multiply switch, or something else? --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --0-1364219697-1188583196=:15826 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Many thanks Travis, I replaced the Insert switch and it's all working again now.
 
Advice to Echoplex owners : buy a bag of replacement switches from Mouser when you get time, you'll need 'em!

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
It usually means that one of the switches has gotten dirt in it, or is
wearing out. Get some contact cleaner, open up the foot controller
and clean out the switches. You can check if the switch is clean by
measuring the resistance of each switch when depressed and then
comparing it to the resistance values that are posted on the LD site
somewhere in the Tools of the Trade section. As I recall there's a
base value for the leftmost switch, and then each one increases by a
multiple of that as you move to the right. Switches that get used the
most wear out sooner of course.

TH

On 8/28/07, Bob West wrote:
> Hi all,
> My 'Plex footpedal has started to behave a little weird, - if I tap the 'Insert' switch it will frequently send the unit into 'Multiply', and quite often the 'Multiincrease' mode of Multiply.
>
> Is this indicative of a dodgy Insert switch, a dodgy Multiply switch, or something else?


Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --0-1364219697-1188583196=:15826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:01:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6241C3BFF4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 656643278 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: infrared midi controller? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7E6E1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <46D84540.13043.1A885FA@nick.12testing.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: infrared midi controller? Thread-Index: Acfr+PwnGdKKVrYuQ5GW5bDbKezM2A== References: <46D84540.13043.1A885FA@nick.12testing.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2007 18:01:42.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC69D700:01C7EBF8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:01:44 +0000 (UTC) how good's your deutsch? this bloke seems to have done it: http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm -----Original Message----- From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]=20 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: infrared midi controller? Does anyone know of a commercial standalone infrared midi controller?=20 I've googled without much luck. I'd love to take an airFX to pieces and mount the controller on the end of a lead, but mistakes could be expensive! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:09:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC3F3BFF9; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NgE/xa1Gj6jeiv/opCF14XLyceEGGjeAFSyhYh+GE3Vck4sTloIPpSC9AEQyMNZP5uMCus4PfgdUlW6EcUTqM+Cg/bg8Dgga6OFcbTh//8zEKUho5T/7EbomXtPkOUE6CQ+Pa44yJ3FRHeFJR6ccpkHnd15WCHrB0iQyhwg6uYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fEfg9GQQfKzpenQkfIm6mVnSTVqwAYhI6J71Bi2P+Q75IqJCWeiPRHE/MzDtiQzEI2el2v9ALeVCHiOg30gMsJ8fNTK+xl+3LXZsDLlXocUlGlxwmoDAw0eHGsLaNR+/ZM6TmT6+eFC9qkeeYrdXd+uFVhROupHt6Yyjnn82pjk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000901c7ebf6$b0f1b060$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000901c7ebf6$b0f1b060$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02F4B90A-75C7-4A3B-B975-EDD9BE799B42@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: OT: favourite premastering effects chain Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:09:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:09:28 +0000 (UTC) On 31 aug 2007, at 19.45, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Ok, just trying to understand (and also like Todd asked): why do > you do > this? Because I think it makes the recording sound better. > More specifically, let's say I take a source signal with a strong > center > component (almost always true for bass, bassdrum etc.). > > So, this signal is a mid signal, and shall be the only content of M. > Then we have a side signal S (the non-mono component), and that one > relates > to L and R as follows: > > L = M+S > R = M-S > > Now for your mix clones, I will always postfix the channels with > the number > of your clone, e.g. the left channel of stereo mix clone 1 is L1. > > We get with the above equations: > L1 = -M-S > R1 = -M+S > > L2 = M-S > R2 = M+S > > L3 = M > R3 = M > > So, for the submix (which will get index s), we get: > > Ls = -M-S+M-S = -2S > Rs = -M+S+M+S = 2S > > Now in the last stage, you mix that together with your Submix3, > which gives > you as your final mix: > > L = M+S > R = M-S > > So, why do you do that? Is that a very complicated way of > controlling the > M/S balance? Yes. And since it is "very complicated" it is also very delicate which means you can achieve good musical results if you learn it. > > Then you said: > >> Combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter and >> goniometer (not affecting sound, only for reading out data), >> EQ, multi band compressor (sometimes, not always), limiter, a >> second combined frequency and and stereo correlation meter >> and goniometer. > > Is it always that order, and that choice of components? > I.e. either EQ->Mcomp->Lim or EQ->Lim? Which means you never use a > compressor pre-EQ? Yes. It may be possible to do it like that as well, but I have found it easier to tweak the sound by starting out with a plain EQ. Every other effect are more or less dynamical so I kind of regard the EQ as "the foundation". Since more stuff is going to be balanced on top of it I find it logical to apply it as the first process. > An idea and a question: > > The idea: your stage B) is accomplished quite simply and without > the need > for submixes etc. by a lot of VST plugins, some of them free. > > The question: have you ever worked with a M/S signal in stage C? > E.g. it > might make sense to work on the M and S signal with different > settings for > compression and maybe even EQ. Yes, quite often actually. But my stage (B) always comes before stage (C). Sometimes I find it faster to create a stereo file on the hard drive and duplicate it into three clones for the further phasing processing. Other times I patch up all processing from A to C in the same session. I use Logic but any software or physical mixing board with routing capability should do. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:22:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F077C3BFC8; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--176053462 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:22:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:22:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--176053462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am very familiar with Tom and his work. He wrote some reviews for the magazine that I was Technical Editor for, Next Music- an Australian music tech magazine in the mid 90's;. Great guy- knows his stuff as well as a great writer. Jim On Aug 31, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Rev Fever wrote: > how many are familiar with the group SEVERED HEADS from Australia? > (Or really, mostly one guy named Tom Ellard, but not always just him.) --Apple-Mail-8--176053462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I am very familiar with Tom and = his work.

He wrote = some reviews for the magazine that I was Technical Editor for, Next = Music- an Australian music tech magazine in the mid = 90's;.
Great guy- knows his stuff as well as a great = writer.

Jim

O= n Aug 31, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Rev Fever wrote:

how many are familiar with = the group SEVERED HEADS from Australia?

(Or really, mostly one guy named Tom = Ellard, but not always just him.)

=

= --Apple-Mail-8--176053462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 18:59:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A4A3BFB3; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--173810943 Message-Id: <8D4A9ED6-A17E-4624-A334-8889A49655C7@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:59:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--173810943 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanx for more of the history,. Great artists should never be forgotten, regardless of time period they appeared and were active.etc. I was also very fortunate to have seen that USA tour Tom (and?) did with Skinny Puppy way back in the mid 80's. (1985?) There was also a guy named Stephen(?) who did wonderful, live, crazy, video editing, and all projected onto a giant screen, and at times, visually, it had a "loopish" quality to it. (the giant "colorized" CRAB was trippy!) What a great show and night that was! Not sure how many dates this tour had, but hopefully it was a successful tour. -Rev. Fever On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:22 AM, James Richmond wrote: > I am very familiar with Tom and his work. > > He wrote some reviews for the magazine that I was Technical Editor > for, Next Music- an Australian music tech magazine in the mid 90's;. > Great guy- knows his stuff as well as a great writer. > > Jim > > On Aug 31, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Rev Fever wrote: > >> how many are familiar with the group SEVERED HEADS from Australia? >> (Or really, mostly one guy named Tom Ellard, but not always just >> him.) > --Apple-Mail-2--173810943 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Thanx for more of the = history,. Great artists should never be forgotten, regardless of time = period they appeared and were active.etc.

I was also very fortunate = to have seen that USA tour Tom (and?) did with Skinny Puppy way back in = the mid 80's. (1985?)
There was also a guy named Stephen(?) = who did wonderful, live, crazy, video editing, and all projected onto a = giant screen,
and at times, visually, it had a "loopish" = quality to it. (the giant "colorized" CRAB was trippy!)

What a great show and night = that was!=A0 Not sure how many dates this tour had, but hopefully it was = a successful tour.

-Rev. = Fever

On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:22 AM, James = Richmond wrote:

I am very familiar with Tom and his work.

He wrote some reviews for = the magazine that I was Technical Editor for, Next Music- an Australian = music tech magazine in the mid 90's;.
Great guy- knows his = stuff as well as a great writer.

Jim

O= n Aug 31, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Rev Fever wrote:

how many are familiar with the group SEVERED HEADS = from Australia?
(Or really, mostly one guy = named Tom Ellard, but not always just him.)
=


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-------------------------------1188591136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794243BFD3; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=atH3GeVgQDNEULdVMepBMtYZc07OwTEv46YElQAhc7pr4ItNCP4LUgrLuVtHHl0hT6CN+XmOk2IYmFwilsN91XFFRa3VsCL0LOD+u1xsuQCJ36PvlzGmfwG0hQDWs32+fseRLCf7uciDOwnLL8LAthky3cq9PuBFn+0lBTR7DYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ne0f1xM47dujx0oLjczaPcsUUGmDKEFHUzsa1SgiOjGbuhH5dITMfUqD3ANqBZ8EtNE4t/hjIQVAUcEO6KaAx2spz5GOboRDsLhtw0lPiAM7AvK83o4IHemHq/rC0RZ7GEXESFeCrKfjhPye0iEq7WTk0KPaldvyBWr5zIoflJM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:12:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6k8pMD.A.JDF.KZH2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:12:58 +0000 (UTC) On 31 aug 2007, at 17.27, Doug Cox wrote: > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321 > http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks > http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo- > Limitations-39006.shtml Thanks, Doug. Educational links. So three seems to be the magic number right now. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:22:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC9B3BFD3; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ece01c7ec0c$acc31fe0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:22:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0ECB_01C7EBDA.61234DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:22:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0ECB_01C7EBDA.61234DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But you can go to apple now and by a macbook pro with 4GB of RAM. One of = these articles is over a year old. What am I missing here? Kris In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = uncledig@gmail.com writes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3D321 http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks=20 = http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.s= html Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0ECB_01C7EBDA.61234DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But you can go to apple now and by a macbook pro with 4GB of RAM. = One of=20 these articles is over a year old. What am I missing here?
 
Kris
 

 
In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = uncledig@gmail.com = writes:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/App= le/?p=3D321

http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks=20

http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limit= ations-39006.shtml
Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your=20 Toshiba?



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------=_NextPart_000_0ECB_01C7EBDA.61234DD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:23:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4A23BFE4; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Il7qIeZhsCAwBDbIC/iYGsQ9lr22If6GmlS20p1bdcA2L7DKengrKcOpof6KFlhtBh+AaL5WgQHropAm+BodUvkqg17rbEdrWUYenDwdz5MC5mDct3kH9A0xRfxSoLw8X8iToIDweQQ5BSFue5b0HoY6G2JJ24D27YQGiStsZMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ERwtrDY5zmVn3OU8ySMzc3Aq+WIWPSmwEZpqZzGjZY4n+3JMkY5/I4GcCHtxW0VgVjAREzkq4OTkM30dofv+Nve0kpEhMRoA5M43HOnE/qrHFEH7QLSTNoGmnL7OCU5AeAXzuBxCq9imseI6XYbVJbwI0bJ6LhH8IGJGm9bydQA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:23:39 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7044_21852562.1188591819103" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7044_21852562.1188591819103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a set of 1GB each sticks for a total of 2GB, and I also have some 2GB sticks for a total of 4GB. Right now I'm running 4GB (which means XP sees/uses 3.25GB) for a trial period. Seems just fine. I'm not going to mess with PAE (which might allow an app to get to the extra RAM) because it reportedly can slow things down. Doug On 8/31/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > uncledig@gmail.com writes: > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321 > > http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.shtml > > Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > ------=_Part_7044_21852562.1188591819103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a set of 1GB each sticks for a total of 2GB, and I also have some 2GB sticks for a total of 4GB.  Right now I'm running 4GB (which means XP sees/uses 3.25GB) for a trial period.  Seems just fine.  I'm not going to mess with PAE (which might allow an app to get to the extra RAM) because it reportedly can slow things down.

Doug

On 8/31/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com <BreachinThePeace@aol.com > wrote:
Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba?



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------=_Part_7044_21852562.1188591819103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:24:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081D63BFEA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D8877B.4050108@imt.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:26:19 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Whats going on in Idaho? References: <372789.34771.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <372789.34771.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:24:31 +0000 (UTC) That'd be a 10/4. This thing the other day cracks me up...accidently touching someone's feet in the stall next door? What kind of stalls were these?? Good grief. And someone who recycles toilet paper form the floor did I hear? Anyone who does that should NOT be a representative of the american people. Deport them. Hehe. Wierd al is definitely going to release a music video based around all the things that have happened I'm sure along these lines the past few years. -Bob John Tidwell wrote: >Look at it this way..... > >Republicans have very high standards & fail to achieve >them. > >Democrats take the easier course of having no >standards >at all. > >:) > > >--- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > >>WTF! Yet another Republican caught with his pants >>down. Isnt this like 5 or 6 this year alone? Those >>guys can party! I guess "family values" is code for >>I want to blow you. In his defense, I've been to the >>twin cities and those layovers can get real boring. >>I loved the opening line from his press conference: >>"Thank you for coming out today". Hilarious. >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Luggage? GPS? Comic books? >Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search >http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:25:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B6B43BFFA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0edf01c7ec0d$013f15b0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:24:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Bizarre..,.think of all the money they are making off that extra 1GB of RAM, not used. ----- Original Message ----- > On 31 aug 2007, at 17.27, Doug Cox wrote: > >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321 >> http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo- >> Limitations-39006.shtml > > Thanks, Doug. Educational links. So three seems to be the magic number > right now. > > Per > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:42:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DF413BFEA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Goddard, Duncan" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:42:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: infrared midi controller? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46D88B33.16268.2B9C2E4@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7E6E1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:42:31 +0000 (UTC) On 31 Aug 2007 at 19:01, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > how good's your deutsch? this bloke seems to have done it: > http://flame.fortschritt-musik.de/start.htm nicht zu schlecht, trete ich mit ihm in Verbindung... dnake... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 20:47:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D6423C004; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46D87E3A.8060900@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:46:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: mastering References: <20070831202340.969283BFE6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070831202340.969283BFE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Er...no. It's neither automated nor non-creative, unless you're referring to the process of simply running it through software which can be done with some basic results. Mastering in its true form is still a hands-on process where a skilled engineer listens to a recording on extremely accurate equipment, making adjustments to eq and levels, possibly adding compression, then does final assembly for duplication. It's almost guaranteed to enhance the final product to some degree, possibly a large degree. There are software and hardware products available for people to do this in the same studio/computer as tracking and mixing, but in any case, when the recording gets to the point where the individual tunes are being listened to as a whole group and things are happening to improve how those individual songs hang together as a complete recording, as the final step before duping, that's mastering. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Nowadays, as mastering is a fully-automatized and non-creative process, > people tend to refer to what was formerly known as pre-mastering as > mastering. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:03:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99A113BFE5; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0ece01c7ec0c$acc31fe0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0ece01c7ec0c$acc31fe0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:03:56 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c7ec12$7204eb80$560ec280$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C7EBD7.C5A61380" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfsDdSqC2+4/JgjRWyc4OdRzc9LMwABHZpw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D841e025100005ab9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:03:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C7EBD7.C5A61380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PC laptops configurable with up to 4GB ram http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C7EBD7.C5A61380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

PC laptops configurable with up to 4GB = ram

http://pcaudio= labs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=3Dcomp

 

-Qua

------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C7EBD7.C5A61380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:08:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560713BFEE; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JASUpgZQT1WlClGfq2qCV6Xrqh00WEWDy0ilIeKdiwOfLxZhItTwrKDIt0Pk3TZrcqp9+omN6J5ewH20gm9XuzSvur7boMYi1XJIEycBFNFeuGakwwyZI4YQC1UdgUm2zTwx14/XsxrsdYz5yNrpI2oxZXzfbOHkjX1C08omXvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KONNPNRxzrbxVQhylMxcAgaEuLNADhyl+JPUzqdwvNsdRy9uTQSds8mtALTaJXIVHbRzCyfU/OHFC+FHPZZvD2hdD76Y83WUCogqSIMX0YG8ie+Efq27FBOqx54X/recJ7Oox43aWFQfbmPC1WCsjhPOYCo8k3S8eWcYoNQbdL0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:08:02 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: <005301c7ec12$7204eb80$560ec280$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7145_20184577.1188594482796" References: <0ece01c7ec0c$acc31fe0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <005301c7ec12$7204eb80$560ec280$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:08:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7145_20184577.1188594482796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline not trying to beat a dead horse (as I pull out my bat), but unless those laptops are running a 64bit OS, they will suffer the same problem. On 8/31/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > PC laptops configurable with up to 4GB ram > > http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp > > > > -Qua > > ------=_Part_7145_20184577.1188594482796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline not trying to beat a dead horse (as I pull out my bat), but unless those laptops are running a 64bit OS, they will suffer the same problem.

On 8/31/07, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

PC laptops configurable with up to 4GB ram

http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp

 

-Qua


------=_Part_7145_20184577.1188594482796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:30:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1A33BFEB; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:30:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F10_01C7EBE3.DFAB7D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:30:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F10_01C7EBE3.DFAB7D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel's = Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product line: Kris: Is this correct? Kris' Wife: "no - not anymore." "if you really want the details of the memory addressing.read this = document (page 55; section 4.4): = ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf=20 Bottom line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new = platform introduced in May, code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit = memory addressing which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped. = So there is no artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset.=20 The key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. = Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the = first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). =20 You'll note that you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple = site with either 2GB or 4 GB. And a quote from that very same section = of the configurator says "All MacBook Pro models support up to 4 = gigabytes of RAM." " ----- Original Message -----=20 In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = uncledig@gmail.com writes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3D321 http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks=20 = http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.s= html Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0F10_01C7EBE3.DFAB7D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel's = Americas=20 Marketing Manager for this entire product line:
 
Kris: Is=20 this correct?

Kris' = Wife: "no - not=20 anymore."

"if you really = want the=20 details of the memory addressing=85read this document (page 55; section = 4.4):  ftp= ://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf 

Bottom=20 line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform = introduced in=20 May, code named =93Santa Rosa=94) supports 36-bit memory = addressing=20 which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped.  So there is no artificial = limitation to=20 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset. 

The key is = you want a=20 platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. =20 Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 = in the=20 first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor).   

You=92ll note = that you=20 can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site with either 2GB or = 4 GB.=20  And a quote from that = very same=20 section of the configurator says = =93All MacBook Pro=20 models support up to 4 gigabytes of RAM.=94=20 "

----- Original Message -----
 

In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = uncledig@gmail.com = writes:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/App= le/?p=3D321

http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks=20

http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limit= ations-39006.shtml
Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your=20 Toshiba?



Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
------=_NextPart_000_0F10_01C7EBE3.DFAB7D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:47:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3393BFDE; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <004501c7ec18$964e42b0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <00ad01c7ebe9$8a35afb0$5a01a8c0@mark> <934002EA-6157-4788-8A92-407E47675CD2@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:47:54 +0000 (UTC) They do have a free downloadable 2007 cd "op3" at http://sevcom.com/ click through to albums. Slow download so I haven't heard it yet. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev Fever" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: (ON TOPIC) Severed Heads >> Were they ever CD-sed?? > > Some were and others were not. > > This site has not been updated in awhile, but it will likely answer most > of your questions. A LOT of info here! > http://www.severed-heads.co.uk/faq.html > >> I only have them on vinyl... > > Same here, including some of the VERY early and likely rare things too. > THANKFULLY! > >> does anyone know a torrent for them, would LOVE to have them on the >> EmptyPeeThreePlayer... stll hum the beginnng of one of their weirder >> loop pieces... >> >> BaDaddellAhhhDer... BBaDaddellAhhhDer >> ...BaDaddellAhhhDer...BaDaddellAhhhDer then it goes... Dee diddle dee >> dah Dee diddle dee dah Dee diddle dee dah > > Har! > >> fantastico! > > Indeed.... > > -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 21:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93933BFFA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:55:03 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c7ec19$95fdbc40$c1f934c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7EBDE.E99EE440" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcfsF1W5ZQWotdjQQOKMKaB1GMqyGAAAHtvg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D90190603000075c3.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:55:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7EBDE.E99EE440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sharing the inside scoop, Kris ! You'd think I know more about these things since I also work at Intel. I research internal end user experience and such, and don't get involved with the silicon. So please correct me if I'm wrong. Santa Rosa is a Centrino platform (ie. For laptops). Besides enabling 4gb of ram, it will have other real benefits for users, such as much faster boot up time and more energy efficient for better battery performance, and other stuff like new wifi adapter, better graphics capabilities etc etc. Not sure how easy it is to tell if the computer you are considering has the SantaRosa components, but I think it would be worth looking for. -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel's Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product line: Kris: Is this correct? Kris' Wife: "no - not anymore." "if you really want the details of the memory addressing.read this document (page 55; section 4.4): ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf Bottom line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform introduced in May, code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit memory addressing which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped. So there is no artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset. The key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). You'll note that you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site with either 2GB or 4 GB. And a quote from that very same section of the configurator says "All MacBook Pro models support up to 4 gigabytes of RAM." " ----- Original Message ----- In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, uncledig@gmail.com writes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=321 http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.shtm l Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com . ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7EBDE.E99EE440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for sharing the inside scoop, Kris !  =    You’d think I know more about these things since I also work at Intel.  =  I  research internal end user experience and such, and don’t get involved with = the silicon.    So please correct me if I’m wrong. =  

Santa Rosa is a Centrino platform (ie. For = laptops).  Besides enabling 4gb of ram, it  will have other real benefits for = users, such as much faster boot up time and more energy efficient for better = battery performance, and other stuff like new wifi adapter, better graphics capabilities etc etc.      Not sure how easy it = is to tell if the computer you are considering has the SantaRosa components, = but I think it would be worth looking for.

 

-Qua

 

 

 

From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop?

 

Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be = Intel's Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product = line:

 

Kris: Is this = correct?

Kr= is' Wife: = "no = - not anymore."

"if you really want the details of the = memory addressing…read this document (page 55; section 4.4):  ftp= ://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf<= /span>

Bo= ttom line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform = introduced in May, code named “Santa Rosa”) supports 36-bit memory = addressing which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped.  So there is = no artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset.

Th= e key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset.  Another way = to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the first digit (i.e. = T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). 

Yo= u’ll note that you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site with = either 2GB or 4 GB.  And a quote from that very same section of the configurator says “Al= l MacBook Pro models support up to = 4 gigabytes of RAM.” "

----- Original Message -----

 

 

Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your = Toshiba?



Get a sneak peek of the = all-new AOL.com.

------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7EBDE.E99EE440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:10:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4103BFEA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f4001c7ec1b$c3987850$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006101c7ec19$95fdbc40$c1f934c0$@com> Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:10:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F3B_01C7EBE9.781296E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <87ty3.A.YyE.jHJ2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:10:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F3B_01C7EBE9.781296E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question! I'll have to defer to my wife on that one, about the = macbook pro in question. You guys launched the chipset in May, so you = they should have them in the current machines...but, I don't know how = fast apple at getting new stuf into their pipeline. "The key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. = Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the = first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). " The thing is when I go to the macbook pro spec page, I can't find any of = this, which sort of annoys me. On PC laptop pages, they call out the = exact chip mode code, like T7700. =20 http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intel.html http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html All they say is: "2GHz or 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB on-chip = shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed"=20 What's up with that? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Thanks for sharing the inside scoop, Kris ! You'd think I know = more about these things since I also work at Intel. I research = internal end user experience and such, and don't get involved with the = silicon. So please correct me if I'm wrong. =20 Santa Rosa is a Centrino platform (ie. For laptops). Besides enabling = 4gb of ram, it will have other real benefits for users, such as much = faster boot up time and more energy efficient for better battery = performance, and other stuff like new wifi adapter, better graphics = capabilities etc etc. Not sure how easy it is to tell if the = computer you are considering has the SantaRosa components, but I think = it would be worth looking for. =20 -Qua =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0F3B_01C7EBE9.781296E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good question! I'll have to defer to my = wife on=20 that one, about the macbook pro in question. You guys launched the = chipset in=20 May, so you they should have them in the current machines...but, I don't = know=20 how fast apple at getting new stuf into their pipeline.
 
"The key is=20 you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset.  Another way to tell is if the = Core 2 Duo=20 processor number has a 7 in the first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard = voltage=20 2.4GHz processor). "
 
The thing is when I go to the macbook pro = spec page, I=20 can't find any of this, which sort of annoys me. On PC laptop pages, = they call=20 out the exact chip mode code, like T7700. 
 
http://www.apple.com/= macbookpro/intel.html
http://www.apple.com/= macbookpro/specs.html
 
All they say is: "2GHz = or 2.4GHz=20 Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 4MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with = processor speed"

What's up with=20 that?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 

Thanks=20 for sharing the inside scoop, Kris !     You=92d = think I=20 know more about these things since I also work at Intel.   I =  research internal end user experience and such, and don=92t get = involved=20 with the silicon.    So please correct me if I=92m = wrong.=20  

Santa=20 Rosa is a Centrino platform (ie. For laptops).  Besides enabling = 4gb of=20 ram, it  will have other real benefits for users, such as much = faster=20 boot up time and more energy efficient for better battery performance, = and=20 other stuff like new wifi adapter, better graphics capabilities etc=20 etc.      Not sure how easy it is to tell if = the=20 computer you are considering has the SantaRosa components, but I think = it=20 would be worth looking for.

 

-Qua

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0F3B_01C7EBE9.781296E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182D13BFEF; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YLib1zqiTnlxEy10hX4P1zFPCRMZjm4OUdo/kci4yHwCnFbJLvyxpYJesTKEot8vXujQgHyex9ODJYZg6T0cpWZIptIgAfmYVTBkUIp7xgCpD4Ykq3Nzcsmy4IS4CmbFHWxHTRtXa5/JpegEw6o7hvQzY3uIDysFhW+r6I9hLWM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PqC/yMT6JCMXGBSrCfckNiJMhYi9rO6pfoZJ/SS6Tb1FJrdiu5DXqBDyt+XGA11lUuNDcDKILu/a6UNbODeBCNwrKjTFomTguT6hk0OPRvlQuEcUwITlizRhuxlKaDbwUEufSWNtOcnBAYIsUnr7mGKCD70YwCeY39pXiaHRKl4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:41:27 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7354_14686653.1188600087385" References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:41:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7354_14686653.1188600087385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have the 7200 chipset, and it still exhibits this behavior. There is more to it than this. The BIOS and chipset can see the 4GB of RAM= , but the 32-bit OS cannot use it without using PAE (which slows the machine down). You must have 64bit OS, or you cannot access the full 4GB without using the PAE hack. Doug On 8/31/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel's > Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product line: > > *Kris:* Is this correct? > > *Kris' Wife:* "no - not anymore." > > "if you really want the details of the memory addressing=85read this > document (page 55; section 4.4): > ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf > > Bottom line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform > introduced in May, code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit memory > addressing which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped. So ther= e > is no artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset. > > The key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. Another > way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the first di= git > (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). > > You'll note that you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site > with either 2GB or 4 GB. And a quote from that very same section of the > configurator says "All MacBook Pro models support up to 4 gigabytes of > RAM." " > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > uncledig@gmail.com writes: > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3D321 > > http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks > > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.s= html > > Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > > ------=_Part_7354_14686653.1188600087385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have the 7200 chipset, and it still exhibits this behavior.

There = is more to it than this.  The BIOS and chipset can see the 4GB of RAM,= but the 32-bit OS cannot use it without using PAE (which slows the machine= down).

You must have 64bit OS, or you cannot access the full 4GB without u= sing the PAE hack.

Doug


= On 8/31/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel&#= 39;s Americas=20 Marketing Manager for this entire product line:
 
Kris: Is=20 this correct?

Kris'=20 Wife: "no - not=20 anymore."

"if you rea= lly want the=20 details of the memory addressing=85read this document (page 55; section 4.4= ):  ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf 

Bottom=20 line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform introduc= ed in=20 May, code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit memory addressing=20 which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped.  So= there is no artificial limitation to=20 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset. 

The key is you want a=20 platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. =20 Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in= the=20 first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor).&n= bsp;  =

You'll note that you=20 can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site with either 2GB or 4 G= B.=20  And a quote from that very same=20 section of the configurator says "All MacBook Pro=20 models support up to 4 gigabytes of RAM."=20 "

----- Original Message -----
 

Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your=20 Toshiba?



Get a sneak peek= of the all-new=20 AOL.com.

------=_Part_7354_14686653.1188600087385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 22:59:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801F53BFFD; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f6c01c7ec22$993c7d70$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:59:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F69_01C7EBF0.4D506020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:59:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F69_01C7EBF0.4D506020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bummer, man. Too bad the mac OS ain't 64 bit like Vista....it won't be = long.=20 It's basically not Intel's problem. They built the hardware to support = the 4GB of RAM, even though the Mac OS prevents the hardware from doing = what it was designed to do. Very common problem in the computer world.=20 K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? I have the 7200 chipset, and it still exhibits this behavior. There is more to it than this. The BIOS and chipset can see the 4GB = of RAM, but the 32-bit OS cannot use it without using PAE (which slows = the machine down).=20 You must have 64bit OS, or you cannot access the full 4GB without = using the PAE hack. Doug On 8/31/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be Intel's = Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product line: Kris: Is this correct? Kris' Wife: "no - not anymore." "if you really want the details of the memory addressing=85read this = document (page 55; section 4.4): = ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.pdf=20 Bottom line is that the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new = platform introduced in May, code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit = memory addressing which allows the overlapping portions to be remapped. = So there is no artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 chipset.=20 The key is you want a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset. = Another way to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the = first digit (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz processor). =20 You'll note that you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple = site with either 2GB or 4 GB. And a quote from that very same section = of the configurator says "All MacBook Pro models support up to 4 = gigabytes of RAM." " ----- Original Message -----=20 In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = uncledig@gmail.com writes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3D321 http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbooks=20 = http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Limitations-39006.s= html Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your Toshiba? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0F69_01C7EBF0.4D506020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bummer, man. Too bad the mac OS ain't = 64 bit like=20 Vista....it won't be long.
 
It's basically not Intel's problem. = They built the=20 hardware to support the 4GB of RAM, even though the Mac OS prevents the = hardware=20 from doing what it was designed to do. Very common problem in the = computer=20 world.
 
K-
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug = Cox=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 = 4:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative to a=20 laptop?

I have the 7200 chipset, and it still exhibits this=20 behavior.

There is more to it than this.  The BIOS and = chipset can=20 see the 4GB of RAM, but the 32-bit OS cannot use it without using PAE = (which=20 slows the machine down).

You must have 64bit OS, or you cannot = access=20 the full 4GB without using the PAE hack.

Doug


On 8/31/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <=20 khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Here is my wife's response to the story, who happens to be = Intel's=20 Americas Marketing Manager for this entire product line:
 
Kris: Is this = correct?

Kris'=20 Wife: "no - not=20 anymore."

"if you = really want=20 the details of the memory addressing=85read this document (page 55; = section=20 4.4):  ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/31627303.= pdf 

Bottom = line is that=20 the new 965 chipset (that is part of our new platform introduced in = May,=20 code named "Santa Rosa") supports 36-bit memory addressing which = allows the=20 overlapping portions to be remapped.  So there is = no=20 artificial limitation to 3GB on the Intel 965 = chipset. 

The key = is you want=20 a platform with the 965 vs. the 945 chipset.  = Another way=20 to tell is if the Core 2 Duo processor number has a 7 in the first = digit=20 (i.e. T7700 for the standard voltage 2.4GHz=20 processor).   

You'll = note that=20 you can configure the new MacBook Pros on the Apple site with either = 2GB or=20 4 GB.  And a quote from that very same section of = the=20 configurator says "All=20 MacBook Pro models support up to 4 gigabytes of RAM."=20 "

-----=20 Original Message -----
 

In a message dated 8/31/2007 11:27:27 A.M. Eastern Standard = Time, uncledig@gmail.com=20 writes:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3D321

http://apcmag.com/3814/4gb_notebook_ram_but_not_for_macbo= oks=20

http://news.softpedia.com/news/MacBook-Pro-Core-2-Duo-Lim= itations-39006.shtml
Thanks very much! Did you say you had 4gig on your=20 Toshiba?



Get=20 a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
=
------=_NextPart_000_0F69_01C7EBF0.4D506020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:03:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3910B3BFB2; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PM5aeg8e6qNS+eGUmR7Et0apJEPu/9sNVLejaoQNCBZEdVk+C/YyjgNrv2L3vGw0n5YAUY23zZzkVwlWylOY3E65RWWns651xQZD0ALCYfxDJKz4bB3QzOzXipUJVWtYGKdeYuyerxkl8U5Y5R1yQKFVJUULlVx0jiwaNyN9WBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D9MzEObWkkRticBAd9rTk93JRFQQh1eAbrQXgIILu7wKmeMYTocH7JdacWuvzv8i1F7EMCutpv/OGNX8Vbpd90GCj1TQ21uP9UB0EAdHYIjmRjl1ilMdeWcH1w7FlBQdguALtEBph3wnm8FeyOxlAc9L9joCygicTYgsMUUQ18M= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:03:56 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7382_32129860.1188601436344" References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:03:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7382_32129860.1188601436344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is the most succinct post I can find on the subject. I was a little mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, but at least with PC architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be assigned to system level devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with less than 4GB. In addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each without PAE (which is a bad idea for an audio machine). http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/addressable-memory-in-32-bit-operating.html On a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE NEW Santa Rosa platform. It is definitely a well-documented problem with all other Mac/Intel platforms. The new "36-bit" chip allows access to 4GB, and presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really use it all because it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it). In addition, 32-bit Mac apps can still only access 2GB each. Hope that helps. Doug ------=_Part_7382_32129860.1188601436344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is the most succinct post I can find on the subject.  I was a little mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, but at least with PC architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be assigned to system level devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with less than 4GB.  In addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each without PAE (which is a bad idea for an audio machine).

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/addressable-memory-in-32-bit-operating.html

On a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE NEW Santa Rosa platform.  It is definitely a well-documented problem with all other Mac/Intel platforms.  The new "36-bit" chip allows access to 4GB, and presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really use it all because it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it).  In addition, 32-bit Mac apps can still only access 2GB each.

Hope that helps.

Doug

------=_Part_7382_32129860.1188601436344-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:04:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42FFA3BFD0; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gn0CY9XK0HwVkDhkHnG79ZpivPL0NxwFpRcdxi0iHOSbfVo6bewqGSMgmLfK3De/3WNU5SugkJhp8DLnHG+iaIBH2AhX5ogGmCSUH0Tsam/c6Q/CWqW9O+ig7dgzRJEd/jID3QTzLGgrnrk4kUPKO7C2ng9NeTZ+Y0oWJ9bF6Bc=; X-YMail-OSG: EMO4viEVM1m5Dgau0mv8Q3BZ.x9IojPrZi7zl4XoWjJl42zk0KpsUOkSqh8K54o9rVM_ilYb9qzCWmkOUmIZDvZKcHsK33Y.Gz8Iwi1AlTWQ2xn581lTVoS9ieTAfw-- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: re;OT favorite mastering chain To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <791932.68406.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I go from mixed tape to EQ, to Valley 440 dynamics processors, to BBE Maximizer, to recording device. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:07:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E787C3BFE6; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f9201c7ec23$a3fb62c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F8F_01C7EBF1.58729B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:07:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F8F_01C7EBF1.58729B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the plot thickens. Interesting. So, the existing macbook pros shipping = now don't have the problem, you think? Sounds like the mac OS might be = the benefit in this case. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Here is the most succinct post I can find on the subject. I was a = little mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, but at = least with PC architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be assigned = to system level devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with = less than 4GB. In addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each = without PAE (which is a bad idea for an audio machine).=20 = http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/addressable-memory-in-32-bit-o= perating.html On a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE = NEW Santa Rosa platform. It is definitely a well-documented problem = with all other Mac/Intel platforms. The new "36-bit" chip allows access = to 4GB, and presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really = use it all because it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it). = In addition, 32-bit Mac apps can still only access 2GB each.=20 Hope that helps. Doug ------=_NextPart_000_0F8F_01C7EBF1.58729B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the plot thickens. Interesting.  = So, the=20 existing macbook pros shipping now don't have the problem, you=20 think?   Sounds like the mac OS might be the benefit in this=20 case.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Here is the most succinct post I can find on the = subject. =20 I was a little mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, = but at=20 least with PC architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be = assigned to=20 system level devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with less = than=20 4GB.  In addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each = without=20 PAE (which is a bad idea for an audio machine).

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/address= able-memory-in-32-bit-operating.html

On=20 a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE NEW = Santa=20 Rosa platform.  It is definitely a well-documented problem with = all other=20 Mac/Intel platforms.  The new "36-bit" chip allows access to 4GB, = and=20 presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really use it all = because=20 it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it).  In addition, = 32-bit=20 Mac apps can still only access 2GB each.

Hope that=20 helps.

Doug

------=_NextPart_000_0F8F_01C7EBF1.58729B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 31 23:12:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886A93C00B; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kZXDOlzr8FgjcjSNq+GV1KGnEuLMKkGe6qrmgeHNMo7xgAGi3rkwG+N/QF758FXT4USXRUg18P/GVXYxn9YlvYyqOpGya7w4kA45rOnR0R03H8Zsm0zVthd7CgFG/597odYOptmTi3CDVByX6Cvymcpq+4OC85HdCw9NZ5IjGX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qTdRultol3rFlbpWR3ct70FmU6iw9Gur8DdnWHtI63orpPa1gQ3gIy0YpIoGZV0QV/PEJ5ivFcaGGLR5+kELJkoXZVCsb2uzO8lYhRWGYuE8XCxRanwtrMOKCZk+VupUvtTVgXvGIlV+6FGFNKVXol8hlYGi3Y/1gkQky59ziFw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:12:02 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: <0f9201c7ec23$a3fb62c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7401_32523911.1188601922825" References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0f9201c7ec23$a3fb62c0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:12:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7401_32523911.1188601922825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's the part I just can't get clarity on. It seems possible, since OSX doesn't do the same things with memory allocation that Windows does, and therefore *may* not steal your RAM. There's no question that the new chips don't help Windows with the problem. Only a really fancy motherboard with memory remapping can fool Windows into seeing all 4GB - and I see so many reports of that being unstable that it doesn't seem like a reasonable alternative. On 8/31/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > the plot thickens. Interesting. So, the existing macbook pros shipping > now don't have the problem, you think? Sounds like the mac OS might be the > benefit in this case. > > Kris > > ------=_Part_7401_32523911.1188601922825 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's the part I just can't get clarity on.  It seems possible, since OSX doesn't do the same things with memory allocation that Windows does, and therefore *may* not steal your RAM. 

There's no question that the new chips don't help Windows with the problem.  Only a really fancy motherboard with memory remapping can fool Windows into seeing all 4GB - and I see so many reports of that being unstable that it doesn't seem like a reasonable alternative.

On 8/31/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
the plot thickens. Interesting.  So, the existing macbook pros shipping now don't have the problem, you think?   Sounds like the mac OS might be the benefit in this case.
 
Kris
 

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