From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 05:22:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CAFA3BEDF; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=QcYigDnwlaiwu2ZqHgCQ1bGYNpZkhASpX8z5RHhHjxoCAzqwiyxPKNT49eFDIJ/3OjL72L/N3aahsc+7zIcVUlRKKq49Y6NUDRHtk24KQ4xtgMo0lauWsB64pXgkefFnUj9KoR3VYG8IIl831LauB3apwQPnYDnzSduEPGoANPo= From: "Tony K" To: Subject: National Solo Album in a Month thing Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c71508$a688bfd0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C714DE.BDB2B7D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AccU2O58Bu+yuX+BS469d4Y2yZmL0QALpvgQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:22:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C714DE.BDB2B7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I recently participated in a write an album in a month event. I tried starting out writing songs out with chord changes and tempos and all = that =91regular=92 stuff. But, I sort of got distracted and it turned into a noizefest. I can=92t help it! I just like to make strange and = wonderful sounds with my toys. Anyway, if anybody is interested you can listen = and read my account over at HYPERLINK "http://nanocycle.blogspot.com/"http://nanocycle.blogspot.com I think = many of the songs need to be mixed and edited a little, but hell, I did it in = the evenings over a 30 day period. :-) It was a tad stressful at times, but overall, much fun was had. =20 Thanks for listening Tony =20 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/apnea.mp3"http://www.thinginajar.com/= big tony/apnea.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/circadia.mp3"http://www.thinginajar.c= om/ bigtony/circadia.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/dyssomnias.mp3"http://www.thinginajar= .co m/bigtony/dyssomnias.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/hypersomnia.mp3"http://www.thinginaja= r.c om/bigtony/hypersomnia.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/narcopepsy.mp3"http://www.thinginajar= .co m/bigtony/narcopepsy.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/parasomnias.mp3"http://www.thinginaja= r.c om/bigtony/parasomnias.mp3 HYPERLINK "http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/polysomnography.mp3"http://www.thingi= naj ar.com/bigtony/polysomnography.mp3 =20 =3D=20 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/559 - Release Date: = 11/30/2006 5:07 AM --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/559 - Release Date: = 11/30/2006 5:07 AM =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C714DE.BDB2B7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

 

I recently participated in a write = an album in a month event.  I tried starting out writing songs out = with chord changes and tempos and all that ‘regular’ stuff.  But, = I sort of got distracted and it turned into a noizefest.  I can’t = help it!  I just like to make strange and wonderful sounds with my = toys.  Anyway, if anybody is interested you can listen and read my account over = at http://nanocycle.blogspot.com= I think many of the songs need to be mixed and edited a little, but hell, I did = it in the evenings over a 30 day period. J  It was a tad stressful at times, but overall, much = fun was had.

 

Thanks for = listening

Tony

 

http://www.thingina= jar.com/bigtony/apnea.mp3

http://www.thing= inajar.com/bigtony/circadia.mp3

http://www.thi= nginajar.com/bigtony/dyssomnias.mp3

http://www.th= inginajar.com/bigtony/hypersomnia.mp3

http://www.thi= nginajar.com/bigtony/narcopepsy.mp3

http://www.th= inginajar.com/bigtony/parasomnias.mp3

http://ww= w.thinginajar.com/bigtony/polysomnography.mp3

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C714DE.BDB2B7D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 07:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF473BEDC; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c71517$b8435500$c9fc9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c71446$6ef27c40$12fe9643@Biffoz> <064701c7144e$a97b1950$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:10:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Jab and parry . . . So many tiny loopholes to rip us all with. You've really got *my* number Krispin. I guess you really are here just for the mortal combat of it all. I'll just move along now. I have no intention of continuing with all this beautiful wanking. I can't believe you characterize your spiteful negativity as "stimulating discourse", wow. > I'm just waiting for someone to say "enough already" with this non-looping > rant...but I'm bored and will continue just once more, because I so much > enjoy responding to Miko.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" > > >> Fake passion, real passion, purple passion, purple people eater > > passion....the entertainment industry could care less. Like I said, > > sometimes playing the "I'm sincere" card backfires, because people flock > > to > > insincerity. > > > > How do you know it's insincere? Because *you* think it is? And if you're > > "playing the sincere card", that's insincere! > > Hmmmm....maybe because they admit it? I said "sometimes". So are you > therefore > saying that all people in the entertainment industry are always > intentionally sincere? > That appears to be the contrary of my claim, and quite an extrodinary one at > that. > > > Many actors step into and out of character, yet still retain their > > integrity. > > You just confimed my original point by saying "many"...that implies there > are > some who don't. Thank sfor doing my work for me. The world is not all roses > and cream. "Some" people out there don't have integrity or are intentionally > incincere, by our most common definitions of these terms. > > > > . . . For a creative guy, you're sounding somewhat intolerant. > > > > It doesn't matter what *we*, *others* or *I* know . . . it's about you. If > > your intent isn't to communicate honestly, it's about deceit. > > It's not about me, in this case. I'm communicating > a set of ideas, and it is irrelevant whether I believe in them or not. It's > about > the stimulation of discourse. One can communicate thoughts and ideas without > believing in all of them or taking everything personal. Do you believe that > advancements in thought and understanding arise partly by heathly debate, > synthesis, > antithesis, etc? I do. Or do I need to put a sticky note on my computer > screen that > says, "Note to self: When communicating with Miko, please ensure everything > I > say is a personal statement about myself and is utterly sincere and > honest". :) > It's note even the right context to ask for that sort of thing...we're > exhanging ideas. > man.....I'm not asking for a psychoanalysis. It's words on a computer screen > that > makes us think and feel. That I got a reaction out of you makes me happy > [note, I'm > being sincere here]. > > > My belief is that however corny, contrived, or schlocky others perceive > > someone's act to be, that person gets up in the morning and intends to do > > their best. If their best is cheesy to you, so what? They're being honest, > > and commiting to a plan of action. More power to them, and their honest > > effort deserves respect. You don't have to like it, but it's worthy. Is a > > devil's advocate and poseur just-for-the-fake-of-it worthy? > > That's great. And you think someone here is disagreeing with you? I don't > recall > anyone saying Keller didn't deserve repect. I don't think you even need to > argue your point above. Doesn't most everyone deserve this sort of respect? > Perhaps you should go back and read some of my original points, because it > seems like this thread become fuzzy in light of what people are actually > claiming > and why. > > >> But, seriously, yes, I have experienced many magical moments from utterly > > simple pieces of performances. I don't see your point, though. I was > > intentionally marginalizing his performance with the observation that what > > he does is not particular difficult to do or that original and creative, > > and > > magical moments don't negate that fact. > > > > My point is to ask: If it's so easy-if there's nothing unusual-if it's > > all > > ordinary and bland; what IS it that draws people and inspires them? Is it > > intangible? Spiritual? Honest? Pertinent? > > It could be a lot of things. And how does this relate to my original points? > I seem to have lost how your comments map back to the original points. > Sorry. > > K- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 14:09:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575313BECD; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18784223.1164982147511.JavaMail.root@web17> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 6:09:07 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Cc: Miko Biffle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1I4odC.A.EqD.FeDcFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Listening to that Keller Williams vid for a (short) bit kinda vindicates my eyeballing vids of Hannah Montana or Ashley Tisdale on the Disney Channel as I channel surf the tele. May as well as enjoy some eye candy if one is going to listen to mindless music. :) -- Paul Richards ---- Miko Biffle wrote: > Jab and parry . . . So many tiny loopholes to rip us all with. You've > really got *my* number Krispin. I guess you really are here just for the > mortal combat of it all. I'll just move along now. I have no intention of > continuing with all this beautiful wanking. I can't believe you > characterize your spiteful negativity as "stimulating discourse", wow. > > > I'm just waiting for someone to say "enough already" with this non-looping > > rant...but I'm bored and will continue just once more, because I so much > > enjoy responding to Miko.... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miko Biffle" > > > > >> Fake passion, real passion, purple passion, purple people eater > > > passion....the entertainment industry could care less. Like I said, > > > sometimes playing the "I'm sincere" card backfires, because people flock > > > to > > > insincerity. > > > > > > How do you know it's insincere? Because *you* think it is? And if > you're > > > "playing the sincere card", that's insincere! > > > > Hmmmm....maybe because they admit it? I said "sometimes". So are you > > therefore > > saying that all people in the entertainment industry are always > > intentionally sincere? > > That appears to be the contrary of my claim, and quite an extrodinary one > at > > that. > > > > > Many actors step into and out of character, yet still retain their > > > integrity. > > > > You just confimed my original point by saying "many"...that implies there > > are > > some who don't. Thank sfor doing my work for me. The world is not all > roses > > and cream. "Some" people out there don't have integrity or are > intentionally > > incincere, by our most common definitions of these terms. > > > > > > . . . For a creative guy, you're sounding somewhat intolerant. > > > > > > It doesn't matter what *we*, *others* or *I* know . . . it's about you. > If > > > your intent isn't to communicate honestly, it's about deceit. > > > > It's not about me, in this case. I'm communicating > > a set of ideas, and it is irrelevant whether I believe in them or not. > It's > > about > > the stimulation of discourse. One can communicate thoughts and ideas > without > > believing in all of them or taking everything personal. Do you believe > that > > advancements in thought and understanding arise partly by heathly debate, > > synthesis, > > antithesis, etc? I do. Or do I need to put a sticky note on my computer > > screen that > > says, "Note to self: When communicating with Miko, please ensure > everything > > I > > say is a personal statement about myself and is utterly sincere and > > honest". :) > > It's note even the right context to ask for that sort of thing...we're > > exhanging ideas. > > man.....I'm not asking for a psychoanalysis. It's words on a computer > screen > > that > > makes us think and feel. That I got a reaction out of you makes me happy > > [note, I'm > > being sincere here]. > > > > > My belief is that however corny, contrived, or schlocky others perceive > > > someone's act to be, that person gets up in the morning and intends to > do > > > their best. If their best is cheesy to you, so what? They're being > honest, > > > and commiting to a plan of action. More power to them, and their honest > > > effort deserves respect. You don't have to like it, but it's worthy. Is > a > > > devil's advocate and poseur just-for-the-fake-of-it worthy? > > > > That's great. And you think someone here is disagreeing with you? I don't > > recall > > anyone saying Keller didn't deserve repect. I don't think you even need to > > argue your point above. Doesn't most everyone deserve this sort of > respect? > > Perhaps you should go back and read some of my original points, because it > > seems like this thread become fuzzy in light of what people are actually > > claiming > > and why. > > > > >> But, seriously, yes, I have experienced many magical moments from > utterly > > > simple pieces of performances. I don't see your point, though. I was > > > intentionally marginalizing his performance with the observation that > what > > > he does is not particular difficult to do or that original and creative, > > > and > > > magical moments don't negate that fact. > > > > > > My point is to ask: If it's so easy-if there's nothing unusual-if it's > > > all > > > ordinary and bland; what IS it that draws people and inspires them? Is > it > > > intangible? Spiritual? Honest? Pertinent? > > > > It could be a lot of things. And how does this relate to my original > points? > > I seem to have lost how your comments map back to the original points. > > Sorry. > > > > K- > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 14:23:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B513BEE0; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:27:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #505 for November 30, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:23:09 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #505 November 30, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1977. Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing Dreams Out Of Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret Dream Sounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts (Third Contact) Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) Looking Glass Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) Towers Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor Records and released in 1976. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 16:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09BDE3BEE7; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looper video on Frontier Airlines Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:43:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C71524.B7D16D70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccVZ8L3Jy736wpDTAm1kly872D24A== Message-Id: <20061201164310.MGFV4817.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:43:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C71524.B7D16D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- Arthur Lee Land has a live looping video of his song Dragonfly on the video channel when you fly Frontier Airlines. Nice to see looping making its way into the mainstream. Kudos to Arthur for making this happen! Gary ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C71524.B7D16D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Arthur Lee Land has a live looping video of his song Dragonfly on the video channel when you fly Frontier Airlines. Nice to = see looping making its way into the mainstream. Kudos to Arthur for making = this happen!

Gary

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C71524.B7D16D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 19:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA37C3BEF1; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [162.83.111.14] X-Originating-Email: [ladybassmusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladybassmusic@hotmail.com From: "Brittany Frompovich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Need some advice... Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:51:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2006 19:51:29.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[17B1F9A0:01C71582] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I'm new to the list, and new to looping. I have a Digitech Jam Man and I am trying to do some solo bass work with it. I'm having a blast and have written a few short pieces already. However, I am running into some issues, mainly with managing multiple loops. Here's an example of one problem I am running into. Take the song Purple Haze. I'd like to create a "drum" track using percussive hits on my bass. That's easy enough. Then I do an overdub and add the tritone on the intro using two handed tapping. While those two loops are running, I start into Hendrix's guitar part. I need to quickly shut down the tritone loop while the drums continue unfettered. Is there a way to manage multiple loops with the Digitech Jam man...so that they all run in sync but I can turn them on and off as needed, independently from each other? I know I can use the undo button, but it takes too long to remove the tritones from the drum part. If the Digitech Jam Man cannot do this, any recommendations from the group would be appreciated. (i.e - what live performance friendly looping samplers can do independent multi-loop management?) If you want to get to know me better, check out: www.ladybassmusic.com www.myspace.com/ladybassmusic Thanks! Brittany Frompovich ladybassmusic@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 20:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065E03BEFA; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Need some advice... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:05:27 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 12/01/2006 03:06:47 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: <0Wn-l.A.Br.IsIcFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:05:28 +0000 (UTC) I'd say a Repeater with an FCB1010 will solve your problem- I have the bottom 4 pedals of mine set to mute tracks 1-4 respectively, so you could do your 'drum' track on tr 1, tritone track on tr2, then just mute track 2 when the time is right, mute the tritone track............... "Brittany Frompovich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 12/01/2006 02:51 PM Subject: Need some advice... Please respond to Loopers-Delight Hi gang, I'm new to the list, and new to looping. I have a Digitech Jam Man and I am trying to do some solo bass work with it. I'm having a blast and have written a few short pieces already. However, I am running into some issues, mainly with managing multiple loops. Here's an example of one problem I am running into. Take the song Purple Haze. I'd like to create a "drum" track using percussive hits on my bass. That's easy enough. Then I do an overdub and add the tritone on the intro using two handed tapping. While those two loops are running, I start into Hendrix's guitar part. I need to quickly shut down the tritone loop while the drums continue unfettered. Is there a way to manage multiple loops with the Digitech Jam man...so that they all run in sync but I can turn them on and off as needed, independently from each other? I know I can use the undo button, but it takes too long to remove the tritones from the drum part. If the Digitech Jam Man cannot do this, any recommendations from the group would be appreciated. (i.e - what live performance friendly looping samplers can do independent multi-loop management?) If you want to get to know me better, check out: www.ladybassmusic.com www.myspace.com/ladybassmusic Thanks! 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 00:07:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4010E3BEE8; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qM0XYYhx90MkXC1+E56qJmgw3uXEh3WJSAmuF2uUWKa4xnSpCQiR+O+x+hY90zawgKleUlvHBi9cfNryZCE7LyvO+UitNQtMghzQUQjnUbuE2BAh8bkLWJRxrFvHHospKh0bdo8RuNLo3mrVIKtFDeEXFjg8OTb5J1r/xrLHt1E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C2DAD17-8937-4227-974C-E9FA4B866E73@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Need some advice... Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:07:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:07:39 +0000 (UTC) On 1 dec 2006, at 21.05, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > I'd say a Repeater with an FCB1010 will solve your problem- I have the > bottom 4 pedals of mine set to mute tracks 1-4 respectively, so you > could > do your 'drum' track on tr 1, tritone track on tr2, then just mute > track 2 > when the time is right, mute the tritone track............... Above Matthew was describing the technic to do it in one loop. Each loop in a Repeater can hold four mono tracks - of the same length - and you can mute or un-mute them to create variation in your arrangement. You can also create more loops, each of them with the option of holding four tracks. Many instruments can of course be layered into a loop on the same track. Another technic would be to do it with many loops, following each other on a row, as the EDP lets you play. As an example you could do like this: First record a "drum beat" as loop 1. When you move to loop 2 you can chose to copy what was in the loop 1 and start overdubbing a layer on top of it, as loop 2. You may then go back to loop 1 again before moving on directly to loop 3 while copying the "drum beat" of loop 1 to overdub something else on top of the drums, as loop 3. I.e. you build each part of the song as a loop of its own and then you jump between those loops as the arrangement proceeds. The EDP can keep 9 loops in memory and that's quite enough for most arrangements, as you may layer many parts into the same loops. For you it might as well be an idea to use two loopers and lay down the drum beat on one so it can play along with the other tonal loops you make in the second looper (you can then mute the drums during vital parts, reverse them to play backwards for a while etc). This can also be done with a looper that can run multiple simultaneous loops of different lengths, like the Looperlative or in software to be run on a computer, Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 02:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0D43BED5; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 02:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=srow9EgLcjwafjLc6gC6rzv2PXLsJmuymQwY46jLZf/TCvRfn0zrQUOvbW1ULn2ceptPNvRH37/7b0EYKKoU1wGCYAds+VV6yqWh2HhghBrVesvRcA6RKVMfY4WIrsDeSdsw4eaPmH4WxwA6GK1bGHMiUHltyd1i2ternKaK65s=; X-YMail-OSG: oStIv0IVM1kxWMzeZYrlm.lVIsryiN1Eoehkn1igGR74dCtlI1g4yMx4hGFkCmMWD7ptmcX9SoaOMTBnEqfhnhNaFneNTYgEaQx.AfgL8rYbhtk_y07wCBpt0_cnIJPxhS2iIYdc4gtbTN0- Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Need some advice... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9C2DAD17-8937-4227-974C-E9FA4B866E73@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <506505.74278.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2sEG5C.A.wSF.HfOcFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 02:41:11 +0000 (UTC) And if ya'll are looking for one, I have my beloved Repeater up on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190057032942 Works like a charm. One thing I'd like to point out that this baby really wasn't meant to be in front of a guitar amp though. A line level effects send is where this baby shines. > On 1 dec 2006, at 21.05, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com > wrote: > > > I'd say a Repeater with an FCB1010 will solve your > problem- I have the > > bottom 4 pedals of mine set to mute tracks 1-4 > respectively, so you ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 12:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5DD3BEE7; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:31:44 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Y2K6Loopfestival pictures and press coverage Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7160d$d7226550$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccWDdbIztOrUSb8TcSwaOWtnf7fgw== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone (well not everyone, the people who were at the festival mainly), did any of you a) take any more pictures than the ones which already got published on the y2k6loopfest.com festival website? If so, you could get in contact with Krispen, our fearless webmaster, and please share them with us... b) see any press coverage of the concerts (both the main festival and the events Wednesday thru Friday)? If so, what did they say? Thanks everyone, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 13:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E90D3BEEC; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:05:37 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 - the self-marketing ploy Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000801c71612$929e51a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccSb9SM+B/MKfA6T6O1TA7zLy/jBADoQOog In-Reply-To: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: <6ju5m.A.mYF.ioXcFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Krispen asked:=20 > What's the hype about jam bands, anyway? And adding looping=20 > to boot? How much burnt sage, petrulli oil, and hours of=20 > noodling can folks actually tolerate? :) Heh heh...sorry, I=20 > had to get that one in. For an example (or rather two) of a radical jam band (meaning: no songs = at all, no predefined music, just jamming - or would you call that free = improv avantgarde?), check out these two: www.eblah.de/audio/Chiba_City_Blues.mp3 (Straschill/keys, Klos/b, Wechtenbruch/dr). Kawai K-1 with a few broken = keys and Nord MicroModular through Line6 DL4. www.eblah.de/audio/Wycziks_Weird_Workshop.mp3 (Straschill/keys, K=FChner/git, W=FCrdinger/b, Wycik/dr). Yamaha SY85 = through Line6 DL4. Both of these come of course from the vaults of my Eclectic Blah project...rehearsal room recordings in both cases. Have fun! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 19:37:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C4FB3BEE7; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <099d01c71649$39704070$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c7160d$d7226550$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Y2K6Loopfestival pictures and press coverage Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:36:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:37:00 +0000 (UTC) I have a few on my cell phone, and Ted just sent me three. I'll add them to the Y2K6 website. I have one video from the luggage store that I'll post too. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Y2K6Loopfestival pictures and press coverage > Hey everyone (well not everyone, the people who were at the festival > mainly), > > did any of you > > a) take any more pictures than the ones which already got published on the > y2k6loopfest.com festival website? If so, you could get in contact with > Krispen, our fearless webmaster, and please share them with us... > > b) see any press coverage of the concerts (both the main festival and the > events Wednesday thru Friday)? If so, what did they say? > > Thanks everyone, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 19:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE993BEF0; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09a401c71649$b363bbf0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c7160d$d7226550$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Y2K6Loopfestival pictures and press coverage Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:40:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh, and I am still missing favorite pictures that Mark took of Bill Walker, Rick Walker, Jeff Kaiser, RYUSEI HATTORI, Loop ! Station, and Zoe. Can the six of you send me your favorites to post on the site? Thanks. Kris LOOP ! STATION (USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:31 AM Subject: Y2K6Loopfestival pictures and press coverage > Hey everyone (well not everyone, the people who were at the festival > mainly), > > did any of you > > a) take any more pictures than the ones which already got published on the > y2k6loopfest.com festival website? If so, you could get in contact with > Krispen, our fearless webmaster, and please share them with us... > > b) see any press coverage of the concerts (both the main festival and the > events Wednesday thru Friday)? If so, what did they say? > > Thanks everyone, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 14:15:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34953BECD; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4572DBF0.3040505@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:15:12 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0652-6, 12/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, Same old discussion: I'm looking for a small non-phantom-powered MIDI foot controller that would let me send 3 or 4 programmable MIDI notes. Do any of you know of anything like this? Also, in my searching I ran across this auction for a cool looking little MIDI controller: http://cgi.ebay.com/Axess-Electronics-MFC5-MIDI-Foot-Controller_W0QQitemZ110062737517QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1287QQcmdZViewItem It doesn't do MIDI notes or it would be perfect for me, but it might work great for some of you and the price looks good (for now anyway). --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 22:22:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BC493BED5; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:23:15 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping contact mics and effects Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:22:25 +0000 (UTC) For your distraction on what is here a cold and wet Sunday, two pieces of contact mic looping: 1) Drone created by contact mic (K&K Big Shot) hummed onto as a loop (Akai Headrush E2) with effected segments from most of my z ve x and moogerfoogers in isolation or combination. I went looking for new sounds for future use. "Filtered Hum" http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/filtered_hum.mp3 Anyone want to use "Filtered Hum" and chop it up for sampling, feel free, just tell me. I can share the WAV file version instead of the mp3. 2) Multiple contact mics (K&Ks) and loopers (Akai Headrush E2, Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman), used with decks of cards (no other instruments) and effected, mostly moogerfoogers. "The Cards Tell the Story, Chapter 2" http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/cards_2.mp3 regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 22:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DE253BEE8; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rFMlEh4d/TGBprcOBojdPysQOqd0mnST/eEQjGIfjM2OZlH2g8ANiPmtg/qEaw1P0jC1n7Vafd3QOMT+OSsiauNOZssXLSsMIhkQBftZBZvmkNqh3rMbyUM56YU2rc37c3gZqhm3fZQoXec13XePmL8DKF4d1mYAPbGMG5UvUvk=; X-YMail-OSG: .Lb9B1gVM1nnC7SgvfEry6lPUhn6D7m4v8fTZ8mDuhPhH56frQiITqEdNR9F_FSNGN2pqt5Ep021IBPfmEIaxOJQNvnjMmja.GJHywKeISLCjH7aiJxciNkfvPdATYC_hkDt9TgGLd__5iI- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:40:10 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: Electro-Acoustic Looping Sonata (up coming event in Chicago) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <62819.11637.qm@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Hello List, First let me say that i damn excited i found this list. I really like the multi-genre aspect of it and people are really helpful. I am getting cozy with my echoplex and am getting ready for a show. I thought I would put the word out in case any of you were here in Chicago. It should be a really great event and it's free. More Info Below: Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs presents ohm Curator Series Featuring Margaret Noble and Edyta Stepien Tuesday, December 5, 7 pm Claudia Cassidy Theater @ Chicago Cultural Center, 77 E. Randolph St. Free admission Margaret Noble and Edyta Stepien will curate and perform a multi-media sound and video event modeled on reinterpretations of the classical music form, Sonata. Together several video artists and live electronic music performers will reinvent this classical concept. Performers include Laura Emelianoff, J.C. Loewe, Gregg Medley, Margaret Noble, Edyta Stepien, Jeffrey Weeter, and Video Janitor. Multimedia artist Jeffrey Weeter will perform "Pattern Portraits: Amsterdam" a series of works that explore traffic frequency and human interactivity utilizing sound and video collected in Amsterdam. J.C. Loewe and Laura Emelianoff will perform a collaborative composition exploring tonal, rhythmic, and visual movement within a three-part form. This acoustic duo includes Loewe on viola and Emelianoff on her self-constructed open harp. Video imagery is also provided by Loewe. Gregg Medley will present an electroacoustic realization of thematic fragments from the sonatas of Brahms, Bernstein, and Mozart. Live video mixing performed by Video Janitor: Maria Papas, Matt Hanson and Chuck Pizybyl. Margaret Noble will reinterpret sonata through current electronic percussive styles with synths, drum machines, samplers and an autoharp. And Edyta Stepien will perform live video mixing to the sonata creating a narrative visual component based on the same structure. The ohm Curator Series incorporates new media in electronic music, performance and visual art. The program invites professionals from Chicago’s music scene to curate the audio and visual artists. Performances feature live DJs and visuals including video mixing, film and live painting. For more information on ohm and other programs presented by the Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs, call 312.744.6630 or visit www.chicagoculturalcenter.org. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 04:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207D63BEDC; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b7a01c7175d$7f4c1b40$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #6 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 21:34:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B77_01C71722.D20E2DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:34:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B77_01C71722.D20E2DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html Sorry, I'm a bit behind, but I'll keep at it this week and hopefully = finish the remaining 15 hours of music. Carl Weingarten Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/9cm4o212g4.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/o4fpeyvp4s.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/peop4hbatk.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0B77_01C71722.D20E2DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are the newest addition to the = Y2K6 MP3=20 page: http://www.y2k6loop= fest.com/mp3.html
 
Sorry, I'm a bit behind, but I'll keep at it this week and = hopefully finish=20 the remaining 15 hours of music.
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Carl = Weingarten
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------=_NextPart_000_0B77_01C71722.D20E2DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 10:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FEB53BED5; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qUcFpbopGJX8AM2wvzPHT7N/MG2IKeD5x+r/qq6E4vhT6hs5EI4IY3gnuEDlk8ANGaBhmhIhCvtXdefUAUJ9HxWrE0injaYx48526IHe4LeeCgxS5oY4XIy79zSl20u7DcPJ3eqFB/f0UppDvoRBSuWateY3ptlPfhb5BNyn5Bg= In-Reply-To: <0b7a01c7175d$7f4c1b40$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0b7a01c7175d$7f4c1b40$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <45917F4A-0808-4D8D-B9AA-8E06BC067941@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #6 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:12:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:12:54 +0000 (UTC) On 4 dec 2006, at 05.34, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here are the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http:// > www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html Fantastic, Krispen! It's so great being able to listen back now and then to what was going on during the festival. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 15:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36063BEE1; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.249.225.53] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <20061201164310.MGFV4817.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Gear Swap Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:18:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2006 15:18:20.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EC3ACC0:01C717B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi all tis me again. I must say that is has been wonderful to be back on the list listening to all the events and happenings ive missed so much. anyways I have been thinking long and hard and think i might put my Electrix Repeater up for grabs. basically i was wondering if anyone out there would like to swap an EDP for it as a straight swap. the unit is in very good rack mounted condition save for a ding on the tempo knob. its been lightly used cos to be honest ive always been an EDP man. feel free to contact me off list with any offers I think i do have people on this list who can vouch for me (I got my EDP and some other gear off here) i also have spotless ebay feedback - search user - phillwilson _________________________________________________________________ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 15:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CCC3BEC1; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: whatever@io-audio.com via smtp-2.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(76.171.121.255):. Processed in 0.023607 secs) From: "jl" To: Subject: Introduction... and a question... Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:23:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-HR-Scan-Signature: d3331ee897f0426c8e20a94e49200d40 X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(whatever@io-audio.com/216.120.225.38) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Greetings all! I'm Jonas and while I was a lurker on this list quite a number of years ago, I've recently rejoined and hence I'm effectively new to this list. I'm glad to be here and it is refreshing to see so much creative talent being utilized in so many different ways. Aside from introducing myself to you all, I had a question. You see, my main motivation for doing this sort of thing was because I wish to join communities of creative, like-minded individuals for the purpose of sharing ideas, creative inspiration, and the like. While looper's delight certainly can fit this bill, I'd like to seek out more and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to other creative communities that I could seek out. At this point I would suppose it would be helpful to have examples of my work to aid in deciding exactly what communities to suggest and to that end I encourage you to check out my work at www.io-audio.com. I will state that while some of my projects are entirely loop based, others are only partially so and others are not at all. Hopefully it is enjoyable regardless. In any case, I am pleased to make your acquaintences and thank you for your time. Jonas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 15:43:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CE63BEE1; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061204104256.c66udk5nnydrk8og@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:42:56 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction... and a question... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Jonas, Check your local songwriting organizations. There is also Songsalive! =20 (www.songsalive.org) that's worldwide of which I'm a member. Feel free to contact me for more info or to chat. ~peace~ Michael Quoting jl : > Greetings all! > > I'm Jonas and while I was a lurker on this list quite a number of years ag= o, > I've recently rejoined and hence I'm effectively new to this list. I'm gl= ad > to be here and it is refreshing to see so much creative talent being > utilized in so many different ways. > > Aside from introducing myself to you all, I had a question. You see, my > main motivation for doing this sort of thing was because I wish to join > communities of creative, like-minded individuals for the purpose of sharin= g > ideas, creative inspiration, and the like. While looper's delight certain= ly > can fit this bill, I'd like to seek out more and was wondering if anyone h= ad > any suggestions as to other creative communities that I could seek out. > > At this point I would suppose it would be helpful to have examples of my > work to aid in deciding exactly what communities to suggest and to that en= d > I encourage you to check out my work at www.io-audio.com. I will state th= at > while some of my projects are entirely loop based, others are only partial= ly > so and others are not at all. Hopefully it is enjoyable regardless. > > In any case, I am pleased to make your acquaintences and thank you for you= r > time. > > Jonas > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 23:46:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2253BEE2; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w6AoHoaF8ngpuoQC8JqvTZ27QYeVNDZ1pSets0iZOgn0jR6+7RDFpJ0gu4j3jdAW9TFl/PFPJxyz9cj8zvrYzIuPKB9fp1LOEppMus/DEUU1SdC4Vo2FsE/jJpSLFp6AWr25pedAzq3myqOEXJYmyUAyJ4Z87l5bqrVwqJ51h38=; X-YMail-OSG: a9bc5xwVM1lDFkVPbWqf6SQ3pYY4bjFAmkpOl5fPk6fsR5MDrb9drmI826Ff7Ny1v_SVYK67m4c9gxgxuXnl.TwrC_1E2GZkCSv6nqlxvNYcawWZHvr4c1n58SvDgX39y6pzuHh5VFk1pAU- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: boss DD-20 (out w/ old, in w/ new) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061203222226.287F93BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1677335366-1165276012=:38287" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <273074.38287.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0Gnw_C.A.IMH.tNLdFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:46:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1677335366-1165276012=:38287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well a quick post: i'm in the process of selling a lot of my gear, moving away from my rack stuff entirely (my dod d-12, sold most of stuff a few months ago) and have decided to go w/ a pedal set up....got the DD-20 last week, just hooked it up last night, and have played w/ it a bit, and will say that i'm liking it alot. love the mangling of sound that is possible... and i haven't even played much w/ the other delay options, mainly just using the standard digital delay....easy to use, small package... so far very happy.... i'm hoping the batteries last awhile, but i'll probaby get the ac adaptor for it so i don't have worry about unplugging it like i usually do.... s--- --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --0-1677335366-1165276012=:38287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
well a quick post:
i'm in the process of selling a lot of my gear, moving away from my
rack stuff entirely (my dod d-12, sold most of stuff a few months ago)
and have decided to go w/ a pedal set up....got the DD-20 last week,
just hooked it up last night, and have played w/ it a bit, and will
say that i'm liking it alot. love the mangling of sound that is possible...
and i haven't even played much w/ the other delay options, mainly just
using the standard digital delay....easy to use, small package...
so far very happy....
i'm hoping the batteries last awhile, but i'll probaby get the ac adaptor
for it so i don't have worry about unplugging it like i usually do....
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Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --0-1677335366-1165276012=:38287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 02:40:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B6A3BEE0; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.254.31.168] X-Originating-Email: [ladybassmusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladybassmusic@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <9C2DAD17-8937-4227-974C-E9FA4B866E73@gmail.com> From: "Brittany Frompovich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need some advice... Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:39:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2006 02:39:59.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[A87ED520:01C71816] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Thanks for the clarification and advice on using the Repeater. I am reseraching the Looperlative right now as an option, but I will probably try the Repeater first. If I continue to work with looping and have continued success with it, I will defintely purchase a Looperlative. Thanks again, Brittany Frompovich www.ladybassmusic.com www.myspace.com/ladybassmusic > >On 1 dec 2006, at 21.05, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >>I'd say a Repeater with an FCB1010 will solve your problem- I have the >>bottom 4 pedals of mine set to mute tracks 1-4 respectively, so you could >>do your 'drum' track on tr 1, tritone track on tr2, then just mute track >>2 >>when the time is right, mute the tritone track............... > >Above Matthew was describing the technic to do it in one loop. Each loop >in a Repeater can hold four mono tracks - of the same length - and you can >mute or un-mute them to create variation in your arrangement. You can also >create more loops, each of them with the option of holding four tracks. >Many instruments can of course be layered into a loop on the same track. > >Another technic would be to do it with many loops, following each other on >a row, as the EDP lets you play. As an example you could do like this: >First record a "drum beat" as loop 1. When you move to loop 2 you can >chose to copy what was in the loop 1 and start overdubbing a layer on top >of it, as loop 2. You may then go back to loop 1 again before moving on >directly to loop 3 while copying the "drum beat" of loop 1 to overdub >something else on top of the drums, as loop 3. I.e. you build each part of >the song as a loop of its own and then you jump between those loops as the >arrangement proceeds. The EDP can keep 9 loops in memory and that's quite >enough for most arrangements, as you may layer many parts into the same >loops. > >For you it might as well be an idea to use two loopers and lay down the >drum beat on one so it can play along with the other tonal loops you make >in the second looper (you can then mute the drums during vital parts, >reverse them to play backwards for a while etc). This can also be done >with a looper that can run multiple simultaneous loops of different >lengths, like the Looperlative or in software to be run on a computer, >Mobius. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 14:19:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D419E3BEE2; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:18:36 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Email filters References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks. Newbie here, lurking in the shadows. Just a quick comment... The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; " I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't smart enough to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk. If it had "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in the "To" or "cc" or even in the body of the message then it would have gone to the right place. Anyway, just wanted to say something. unynh3d ******************* Bill Fox wrote: > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html > > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on > the internet. > > Show #505 November 30, 2006 > > RECAP: > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. > > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records > and released in 1977. > > Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov > > > PLAYLIST: > > 11:04 pm > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) > Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a Vanishing > Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) > M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing Dreams Out Of > Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret > Dream Sounds) > > 12:00 am > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts (Third > Contact) > Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) > Looking Glass > Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) > Towers > Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) > Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) > > 1:00 am > > * = excerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Darshan > Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." > > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor > Records and released in 1976. > > Bill > ======================================================================= > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link > or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 16:17:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C583BEE1; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP and DIGITECH space station for sale Message-ID: <1165335470.45759baec7779@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:17:50 -0600 (CST) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 81.64.48.60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:17:55 +0000 (UTC) hi! looking to sell my EDP (oberheim echoplex digital pro) white face with LOOPIII, comes with a black footswitch. excellent condition, pics if requested. I'm located in Paris France and I'm willing to hear offers. Thank you very much in advance. Andy ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 17:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC683BEDC; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <1165335470.45759baec7779@www.correo.unam.mx> References: <1165335470.45759baec7779@www.correo.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30C2DFE5-39D2-4DCC-813B-40AB30D94A02@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: monk Subject: Re: EDP and DIGITECH space station for sale Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:06:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7-3gxB.A.3w.gcadFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:06:40 +0000 (UTC) how much for the space station? thanks monk@Fuse.net On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:17 AM, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > > hi! looking to sell my EDP (oberheim echoplex digital pro) white =20 > face with > LOOPIII, comes with a black footswitch. > > excellent condition, pics if requested. I'm located in Paris =20 > France and I'm > willing to hear offers. > > Thank you very much in advance. > > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------- > www.correo.unam.mx > UNAMonos Comunic=E1ndonos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 341C93BEEC; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V0diwYeY9597Q0aEfc4wQSdQbhvQz6v+RVbm+QeepG64Jth8LT9IkzYdWcPe8sMkYCwAansDvkJ9QDHvxd1IOkSTFi+410zRS1DusgNd8nYWKJseJrxIMV4gfZkPFySZlIKkJqfWVydubkwq9mK/OZE6WS5U0eK9G94eczYLHmw= Message-ID: <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:24:31 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters In-Reply-To: <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-Yuj8D.A.PUB.CWddFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Direct your mail reader to filter based on this header: X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com On 12/5/06, Sean Onion wrote: > Hi folks. Newbie here, lurking in the shadows. Just a quick comment... > > The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; " > > I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't smart enough > to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk. If it had > "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in the "To" or "cc" or even in the > body of the message then it would have gone to the right place. Anyway, > just wanted to say something. > > unynh3d > ******************* > > Bill Fox wrote: > > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html > > > > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that > > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, > > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville > > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on > > the internet. > > > > Show #505 November 30, 2006 > > > > RECAP: > > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured > > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. > > > > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records > > and released in 1977. > > > > Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov > > > > > > PLAYLIST: > > > > 11:04 pm > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > > ==================== ==================== ============================== > > Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) > > Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a Vanishing > > Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) > > M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing Dreams Out Of > > Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret > > Dream Sounds) > > > > 12:00 am > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > > ==================== ==================== ============================== > > Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts (Third > > Contact) > > Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) > > Looking Glass > > Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) > > Towers > > Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) > > Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) > > > > 1:00 am > > > > * = excerpt > > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > > > > > > NEXT SHOW: > > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Darshan > > Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." > > > > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor > > Records and released in 1976. > > > > Bill > > ======================================================================= > > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music > > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown > > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in > > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. > > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml > > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link > > or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This > > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels > > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 22:32:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FDE73BEF8; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [88.106.130.32] X-Originating-Email: [cmarsham@hotmail.com] X-Sender: cmarsham@hotmail.com From: "Charlie Morris-Marsham" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:32:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2006 22:32:27.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E3B55B0:01C718BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Hi all,
I'm currently trying to find the right loop pedal for my boyfriend (surprise xmas and general I love you present).
A friend has recommended the Digitech JamMan (from Thomann, who look like a good company to go with). But having read your reviews I'm not so sure as my boyfriend currently records music using a midi synth and keyboard, though he would like a loop pedal for performing live using instruments (and possibly vocals).
All the talk about the Jamman not being compatible with midi sync has confused me slightly (yes, apologies I'm not really that loop-orientated).
Please tell me what to do, i'm willing to spend between £200-£300 ($300-$450).
Any help much appreciated!
Mowley-C
 

Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 22:42:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E4C83BEFF; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c718be$a66bbd40$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:42:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C718C7.05A9EF90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:42:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C718C7.05A9EF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charlie, first of all: thomann is the best you can get in germany. second: ask your boyfriend about his favourite gear.=20 he will probably know exactly what he wants to have and be happy to tell = you about it and therefore give away all the info you need... all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Morris-Marsham=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan??? Hi all, I'm currently trying to find the right loop pedal for my boyfriend = (surprise xmas and general I love you present).=20 A friend has recommended the Digitech JamMan (from Thomann, who look = like a good company to go with). But having read your reviews I'm not so = sure as my boyfriend currently records music using a midi synth and = keyboard, though he would like a loop pedal for performing live using = instruments (and possibly vocals). All the talk about the Jamman not being compatible with midi sync has = confused me slightly (yes, apologies I'm not really that = loop-orientated). Please tell me what to do, i'm willing to spend between =A3200-=A3300 = ($300-$450). Any help much appreciated! Mowley-C -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free = newsletters!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C718C7.05A9EF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
charlie, first of all: thomann is the = best you can=20 get in germany.
second: ask your boyfriend about his = favourite=20 gear.
he will probably know exactly what he = wants to have=20 and be happy to tell you about it and therefore
give away all the info you = need...
 
all the best, tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charlie=20 Morris-Marsham
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, = 2006 11:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: Digitech = JamMan???

Hi all,
I'm currently trying to find the right loop pedal for = my=20 boyfriend (surprise xmas and general I love you present).
A friend has recommended the Digitech JamMan (from = Thomann, who=20 look like a good company to go with). But having read your reviews I'm = not so=20 sure as my boyfriend currently records music using a midi synth and = keyboard,=20 though he would like a loop pedal for performing live using = instruments (and=20 possibly vocals).
All the talk about the Jamman not being = compatible=20 with midi sync has confused me slightly (yes, apologies I'm not really = that=20 loop-orientated).
Please tell me what to do, i'm willing to spend = between=20 =A3200-=A3300 ($300-$450).
Any help much appreciated!
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Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign = up to our=20 free newsletters! ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C718C7.05A9EF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 23:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC23E3BEF6; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C/7MwUMe0ZVkGAVOlIG+uvJ5pQm7+KqgQsE66pQboHciUpURq70rfTDAtV9rAY1499OIrx2OEfWwZv08QbDRhvh5QpKT+1HxNbMACY3f344ENvitBW02C04x1jVBKV+lHfcqXFKg0+hXBf3MWKlEfwC7MMB48cqOOmb8r3D/EhA=; X-YMail-OSG: Sx7XCsgVM1kYDo2pQE4ZqtjKBlWBplrSzX52n7s4vcq5udAXadhmgH_sVgnLbWIiWGo8L2OmEhHarObZq.j1pR9GG3GNxkzrkLpCsgiIXEs4o_DsJgkA7w-- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: group loop syncing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <159063.80408.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:57:40 +0000 (UTC) we did this as well at the loop festival in Switzerland briefly after Matthias suggestion to try it out.I remember having a bit of problems with my EDP syncing to the others at first but soon after we were syncing and jamming together(Rick,Matthias and i) my conclusion drawn from this experience was that it can work wonderful if u behave as band members instead of solo loopers...i think we didnt even have to do any overdubbing;-) Luis > Echoplexes linked...I was > really hoping to see someone doing that at Y2K6, but > no such luck...a lot of > duos looping asynchronously. Wasn't it Per, Mathias, > Rick, and several > others who did this true group/loop thing in Europe > several years ago? > > > Personally, I find that there is a lot of very > ambient loop music out > > there ... while it's all well and good, and > certainly has its place ... > > ambient, sort of jazzy (good or bad jazzy .. > either way) ... experimental > > music seems to be the default for most live loop > musicians. I simply > > enjoy seeing someon do something that is not that. > > I think the experimental stands on its own sepearate > from the ambient/jazzy > species you > site above. There aren't a lot of people doing > really experimental looping > in the strict sense > of the approach, but certainly ambient is very > pervasive....probably because > it is much easier > to pull off with a lot of cool gear and looping > devices. > > K- > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 00:08:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23E53BF04; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rithma music Subject: Re:Jam Man Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:08:35 -0800 To: Charlie Morris-Marsham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:08:49 +0000 (UTC) if you can really spend $450, you might look into the Boss RC-50 loopstation. i had one for awhile and it is the godzilla of loop pedals, has midisync, is stereo, has multiple outs ,etc etc etc. it would really be going overboard for christmas, but maybe you have a 'going overboard' kind of relationship... the suggestion about getting your boy to spill his beans about his favorite gear is probably the best idea tho... any gear head would gladly spend hours going down the list of gadgets their functions with his girl. with love rithma music www.rithma.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 00:18:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B893BF08; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JeRtLyYU8xxanq5amEUSwhQEOXZ76R7lz+W0sKMt5Ifv7CqMSeCFO9BbUO3ZulbBYWHZ3za1R3cNtI8bs89e47qLXfeRrZFnLoEmxlF5NjBOdMKIXn/pOzGN5TtIADXSLspzvweUQ+upSfClztnJoFP4xoIRTyRU+Mi2Nm3sGQg=; X-YMail-OSG: 2AK5_eoVM1nCH8LMkQuFjyzKEjxIqqz45JfJUXQpTDYUjHILq.KlFP5k5r72CbcrHbL_znU3bsF1hEXjyhHIupadCkjKVCoU2qLPCKjVmDTRPI.7iIDEEg-- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Jam looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <394005.39610.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:18:02 +0000 (UTC) true! although his music is not my cup of tea either i do know that doing the one man jam band thing is also hard work,playing song parts and alternating between the arrangements plus singing,tapdancing and trying to keep the audience interested without pushing the wrong button.Ive done a bit of both and it can be more challenging than sitting improvising freely.I actually enjoy it seeing this type of looping more than seeing a laptop or shoegazer although when listening only,my interest at then end will still be based in the quality of the music regardless of how it was made. Luis --- aaron leese wrote: > > Personally, I find that there is a lot of very > ambient loop music out there > ... while it's all well and good, and certainly has > its place ... ambient, > sort of jazzy (good or bad jazzy .. either way) ... > experimental music seems > to be the default for most live loop musicians. I > simply enjoy seeing > someon do something that is not that. > > If nothing else, Keller does well to exploit a loop > pedal in a different way > ...as does Vicotor Wooten, John Scofield, Kaki King, > and many of the people > on this list. > > > > > >From: Jeff Kaiser > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube > >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:59:10 -0800 > > > >d00d. I'm with you. I've got your back. > > > >Jeff Kaiser > >http://www.JeffKaiser.com > >pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > >On Nov 25, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >>Okay, I'll throw my cynical two cents out there... > :-) > >> > >>I think we've talked about Keller before, plus > many other guys doing this > >>sort of thing. I can't speak for anyone else, and > this is only my own > >>feeling on the topic, but I'm not that fond of > most the > >>multi-instrumentalist, one-man-band loopers. He's > a great technical > >>player, obviously, but to me the highlight isn't > the looping, but his > >>showmanship and multi-instrumentalist ability. I > think it's a great thing > >>for the general public, who still finds this > one-man approach > >>intriguing....the public always has flocked to > this sort of > >>performance...I still see one-man bands at > festivals and carnivals with > >>their crazy contraptions on their backs, ropes and > pulleys attached to > >>cymbals, violins, bass drums, etc, etc....the > crowd just eats it up. But > >>the overall output, if I ignore the fact that he's > doing it by himself, > >>just focusing on the music, doesn't inspire me > much. I'm not trying to be > >>a scrooge or anything so close to the > holidays...it's just not my cup of > >>tea artistically. I think folks would go bonkers > over guys like this at > >>Vegas. > >> > >>Kris > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" > > >>>on another note .... I am suprised I never hear > anyone hear mention > >>>Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best > loop musicians out there > >>>..... > >>> > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= > >>> > >>>this is part two of "juggler" ... you can see him > build the initial loop > >>>in part one ... > >>> > >>>just wondering if anyone else has seen this guy > ?? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > >>>>Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > > >>>>To: > >>>>Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on > youtube > >>>>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 > >>>> > >>>>completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to > check out the ewi, > >>>>you might be interested also in the following > little vid of michael > >>>>brecker: > >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ex1sC4xMc > >>>>(as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for > looping) > >>>> > >>>>all the best, tilmann > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Per Boysen" > >>>>To: > >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM > >>>>Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hi guys, > >>>> > > >>>> > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff > Kashiwa live-looping on > >>>> > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: > >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA > >>>> > > >>>> > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, > pretty traditional > >>>> > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but > Jeff is such a good player > >>>> > and this is a great chance to see this new > model of the EWI (Electric > >>>> > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth > sounds. In this video > >>>> > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines > and high pitched "soprano > >>>> > sax" melodies almost at the same time by > using the same synth patch, > >>>> > only jumping up and down in octave while > overdubbing into the jamman. > >>>> > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" > performing options like > >>>> > portamento and breath controlled attack- or > filter cutoff envelopes > >>>> > which you don't see demonstrated in this > video. > >>>> > > >>>> > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an > EWI 4000s for a very > >>>> > friendly price in San Jose and since I got > back and started playing > >>>> > it I think I have never used my > pitch-down-octave patches at all! > >>>> > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that > covers over eight > >>>> > octaves. Earlier this year I was very > interested in getting a Chapman > >>>> > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, > but my EWI has > >>>> > completely seduced me to forget about that > Stick Crush ;-) > >>>> > > >>>> > Greetings from Sweden > >>>> > > >>>> > Per Boysen > >>>> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >>>> > www.looproom.com (international) > >>>> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >>>> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and > business Web site from > >>>Microsoft Office Live > >>>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your latest news with your friends with the > Windows Live Spaces > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 06:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0859A3BEF1; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: christmas song Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:24:36 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: enat21213@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C8E71655DA20F7_CA0_4BCB_WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Message-Id: <8C8E71655DA20F7-CA0-2764@WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.81 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C8E71655DA20F7_CA0_4BCB_WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" helo fellow loopers......a song of ours just came out on a christmas compilation this week and i'd like to share it with everyone here. the tunes built on a couple loops. christmas with reilly myspace.com/electricbirdnoise brian electric bird noise ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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 helo fellow loopers......a song of ours just came out on a christmas compilation this week and i'd like to share it with everyone here. the tunes built on a couple loops.

christmas with reilly

myspace.com/electricbirdnoise

brian
electric bird noise
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----------MB_8C8E71655DA20F7_CA0_4BCB_WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 12:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33EF53BEF0; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:51:40 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20061206125140.143210@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-50 -feedback- :-))) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks >Anyway, I tried your solution for feedback >and it works great; I don't see what the hubub is about. this is from s.o. not from the list - was pleased to read this :-)) Buzap ---------------- Hi Buzap, My name's ----. I just bought an RC-50 a few days ago and have been playing with it and also checking out the LD mailing list archive on the subject. Not quite ready to subscribe, but thought a direct email to you would be OK (I hope). Anyway, I tried your solution for feedback and it works great; I don't see what the hubub is about. I set the global 'input out' to "Main", ran the sub to aux and that allows me to use the aux volume control to set the feedback level (no need for a mixer). I settled on aux knob value 4 for a nice decay. In overdub=replace mode, that gives me about 3-4 repeats of the loop before it fades too low to distinguish. What's really nice is that I set the "rythm" loop on phrase 1 and then do overdubbing on 2 and 3, going back and forth between the two. Anyway, I didn't want to make a big deal about it; just wanted to confirm that your solution is the best. One jumper, one global setting and adjustable feedback via the aux volume; works for me. ---- ----- -- "Ein Herz für Kinder" - Ihre Spende hilft! Aktion: www.deutschlandsegelt.de Unser Dankeschön: Ihr Name auf dem Segel der 1. deutschen America's Cup-Yacht! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 14:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F633BEB0; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <25198816.1165414022330.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 6:07:02 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 -feedback- :-))) Cc: Buzap Buzap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:07:10 +0000 (UTC) I'll have to try this out myself later today. So far, I've been happy with = my RC-50. It's not an EDP but it's an intermediate step to it.=20 -- Paul Richards ---- Buzap Buzap wrote:=20 > Hi folks >=20 > >Anyway, I tried your solution for feedback=20 > >and it works great; I don't see what the hubub is about. >=20 > this is from s.o. not from the list - was pleased to read this :-)) > Buzap >=20 > ---------------- > Hi Buzap, >=20 > My name's ----. I just bought an RC-50 a few days ago and have been=20 > playing with it and also checking out the LD mailing list archive on the= =20 > subject. Not quite ready to subscribe, but thought a direct email to=20 > you would be OK (I hope). Anyway, I tried your solution for feedback=20 > and it works great; I don't see what the hubub is about. I set the=20 > global 'input out' to "Main", ran the sub to aux and that allows me to=20 > use the aux volume control to set the feedback level (no need for a=20 > mixer). I settled on aux knob value 4 for a nice decay. In=20 > overdub=3Dreplace mode, that gives me about 3-4 repeats of the loop befor= e=20 > it fades too low to distinguish. What's really nice is that I set the=20 > "rythm" loop on phrase 1 and then do overdubbing on 2 and 3, going back= =20 > and forth between the two. >=20 > Anyway, I didn't want to make a big deal about it; just wanted to=20 > confirm that your solution is the best. One jumper, one global setting= =20 > and adjustable feedback via the aux volume; works for me.=20 >=20 > ---- ----- >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "Ein Herz f=C3=BCr Kinder" - Ihre Spende hilft! Aktion: www.deutschlandse= gelt.de > Unser Dankesch=C3=B6n: Ihr Name auf dem Segel der 1. deutschen America's = Cup-Yacht! >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 15:41:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E9D3BEF0; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:41:34 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Hmm... didn't work. I don't think I understood your direction. I'm using Thunderbird and currently have filters looking for the mailing group address in To, CC, and Body. Per your comment, I also added a filter looking for "X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"in To or CC. The mystery messages have the subject "Galactic Travels Playlist #504 for November 23, 2006" and were sent from Bill Fox. To clarify, I don't have a problem with my filters, just the format of the original message header. Come to think of it, it's kind of a blessing. The message was obviously advertising and "undisclosed-recipients" indicates to me that it was sent by an email blaster. I only want to see conversations on a mailing list, so I guess this works to my advantage. Thanks for your help Todd, Sean Todd Pafford wrote: > Direct your mail reader to filter based on this header: > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > On 12/5/06, Sean Onion wrote: >> Hi folks. Newbie here, lurking in the shadows. Just a quick comment... >> >> The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; " >> >> I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't smart enough >> to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk. If it had >> "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in the "To" or "cc" or even in the >> body of the message then it would have gone to the right place. Anyway, >> just wanted to say something. >> >> unynh3d >> ******************* >> >> Bill Fox wrote: >> > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html >> > >> > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that >> > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and >> Bethlehem, >> > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville >> > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on >> > the internet. >> > >> > Show #505 November 30, 2006 >> > >> > RECAP: >> > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The >> Featured >> > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. >> > >> > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records >> > and released in 1977. >> > >> > Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov >> > >> > >> > PLAYLIST: >> > >> > 11:04 pm >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) >> > ==================== ==================== >> ============================== >> > Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) >> > Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a >> Vanishing >> > Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) >> > M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing Dreams Out Of >> > Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret >> > Dream Sounds) >> > >> > 12:00 am >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) >> > ==================== ==================== >> ============================== >> > Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts >> (Third >> > Contact) >> > Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Looking Glass >> > Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Towers >> > Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) >> > Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) >> > >> > 1:00 am >> > >> > * = excerpt >> > VA = Various Artists (compilation) >> > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist >> > >> > >> > NEXT SHOW: >> > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Darshan >> > Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." >> > >> > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor >> > Records and released in 1976. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> ======================================================================= >> > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music >> > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in >> Allentown >> > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in >> > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. >> > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt >> > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml >> > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml >> > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link >> > or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm >> > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This >> > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels >> > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com >> > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml >> > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 16:06:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1569C3BEE9; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aX3h+/rYMR4HZYKsxWVANa6izkbI0nIb5+2yOeJXPYHsG3ZRFzV5I7Sw1MA77Py5388yKzhsksq+svFkvcqp8cK/HRwuK9f6Nx40i24cnvqB518oPFjXBfdDRUL3mY86jiMgfeTLyHyug3DvK6IasTTnFIba+LcTim+fhM5AOho= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:06:46 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters In-Reply-To: <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12138_29720531.1165421206789" References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:06:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12138_29720531.1165421206789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, Sean. Thunderbird has the capability of adding header fields for its filters. "X-Loop" is the field that should be added, and the filter should look for "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" within it. I don't have Thunderbird here at work, so I can detail how to add that field, but I've done it at home to use Thunderbird in conjunction with SpamBayes to great effect. As to the specific messages in question: Bill Fox is a long-time member of this list who happens to run a radio show called "Galactic Travels." He sends the playlists for his shows after they broadcast for (what seems to me) two primary reasons: 1) Much of the music that he plays is loop-related and therefore apropos this list and 2) He often programs the music of members of this list, which then allows the lismembers to see their collegues' names in lights, as it were. Questions regarding Bill's playlist messages seem to come up often enough that he should get his own FAQ entry... Cheers, Jon Southwood On 12/6/06, Sean Onion wrote: > > Hmm... didn't work. I don't think I understood your direction. I'm > using Thunderbird and currently have filters looking for the mailing > group address in To, CC, and Body. Per your comment, I also added a > filter looking for "X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"in To or > CC. The mystery messages have the subject "Galactic Travels Playlist > #504 for November 23, 2006" and were sent from Bill Fox. > > To clarify, I don't have a problem with my filters, just the format of > the original message header. Come to think of it, it's kind of a > blessing. The message was obviously advertising and > "undisclosed-recipients" indicates to me that it was sent by an email > blaster. I only want to see conversations on a mailing list, so I guess > this works to my advantage. > > Thanks for your help Todd, > Sean > > > > Todd Pafford wrote: > > Direct your mail reader to filter based on this header: > > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Sean Onion wrote: > >> Hi folks. Newbie here, lurking in the shadows. Just a quick > comment... > >> > >> The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; " > >> > >> I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't smart enough > >> to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk. If it had > >> "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in the "To" or "cc" or even in > the > >> body of the message then it would have gone to the right > place. Anyway, > >> just wanted to say something. > >> > >> unynh3d > >> ******************* > >> > >> Bill Fox wrote: > >> > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html > >> > > >> > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, > that > >> > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and > >> Bethlehem, > >> > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in > Fogelsville > >> > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on > >> > the internet. > >> > > >> > Show #505 November 30, 2006 > >> > > >> > RECAP: > >> > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The > >> Featured > >> > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact > Records. > >> > > >> > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records > >> > and released in 1977. > >> > > >> > Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov > >> > > >> > > >> > PLAYLIST: > >> > > >> > 11:04 pm > >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > >> > ==================== ==================== > >> ============================== > >> > Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) > >> > Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a > >> Vanishing > >> > Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) > >> > M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing Dreams Out > Of > >> > Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret > >> > Dream Sounds) > >> > > >> > 12:00 am > >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > >> > ==================== ==================== > >> ============================== > >> > Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts > >> (Third > >> > Contact) > >> > Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Looking Glass > >> > Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Towers > >> > Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > > >> > 1:00 am > >> > > >> > * = excerpt > >> > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > >> > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > >> > > >> > > >> > NEXT SHOW: > >> > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on > Darshan > >> > Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." > >> > > >> > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor > >> > Records and released in 1976. > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > > >> ======================================================================= > >> > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music > >> > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in > >> Allentown > >> > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in > >> > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric > Cable. > >> > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > >> > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > >> > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml > >> > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN > link > >> > or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > >> > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join > This > >> > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels > >> > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > >> > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > >> > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_12138_29720531.1165421206789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, Sean. Thunderbird has the capability of adding header fields for its filters. "X-Loop" is the field that should be added, and the filter should look for "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" within it. I don't have Thunderbird here at work, so I can detail how to add that field, but I've done it at home to use Thunderbird in conjunction with SpamBayes to great effect.

As to the specific messages in question: Bill Fox is a long-time member of this list who happens to run a radio show called "Galactic Travels." He sends the playlists for his shows after they broadcast for (what seems to me) two primary reasons: 1) Much of the music that he plays is loop-related and therefore apropos this list and 2) He often programs the music of members of this list, which then allows the lismembers to see their collegues' names in lights, as it were.

Questions regarding Bill's playlist messages seem to come up often enough that he should get his own FAQ entry...

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

On 12/6/06, Sean Onion <sean@zwieble.com> wrote:
Hmm... didn't work.  I don't think I understood your direction.  I'm
using Thunderbird and currently have filters looking for the mailing
group address in To, CC, and Body.  Per your comment, I also added a
filter looking for "X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"in To or
CC.  The mystery messages have the subject "Galactic Travels Playlist
#504 for November 23, 2006" and were sent from Bill Fox.

To clarify, I don't have a problem with my filters, just the format of
the original message header.  Come to think of it, it's kind of a
blessing.  The message was obviously advertising and
"undisclosed-recipients" indicates to me that it was sent by an email
blaster.  I only want to see conversations on a mailing list, so I guess
this works to my advantage.

Thanks for your help Todd,
Sean



Todd Pafford wrote:
> Direct your mail reader to filter based on this header:
> X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> On 12/5/06, Sean Onion <sean@zwieble.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks.  Newbie here, lurking in the shadows.  Just a quick comment...
>>
>> The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; "
>>
>> I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't smart enough
>> to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk.  If it had
>> "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in the "To" or "cc" or even in the
>> body of the message then it would have gone to the right place.  Anyway,
>> just wanted to say something.
>>
>> unynh3d
>> *******************
>>
>> Bill Fox wrote:
>> > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html
>> >
>> > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
>> > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
>> Bethlehem,
>> > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
>> > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on
>> > the internet.
>> >
>> >                Show #505                November 30, 2006
>> >
>> > RECAP:
>> > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy.  The
>> Featured
>> > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records.
>> >
>> > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records
>> > and released in 1977.
>> >
>> > Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov
>> >
>> >
>> > PLAYLIST:
>> >
>> > 11:04 pm
>> > ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
>> > ==================== ====================
>> ==============================
>> > Vangelis             Dervish D            Spirals (RCA)
>> > Gert Emmens and      A Journey Through    Blind Watchers of a
>> Vanishing
>> >  Ruud Heij            Time                 Night (EH)
>> > M. Griffin           I Dream the Same     I Am Breathing Dreams Out Of
>> >                       Girl In Every        the Air (Hypnos Secret
>> >                       Dream                Sounds)
>> >
>> > 12:00 am
>> > ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
>> > ==================== ====================
>> ==============================
>> > Synergy              Relay Breakdown      Reconstructed Artifacts
>> (Third
>> >                                            Contact)
>> > Synergy              Warriors             R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              S-Scape              R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              Orbit 5              R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              Ancestors            R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              Flight of the        R. A. (Third Contact)
>> >                       Looking Glass
>> > Synergy              North River          R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              Steam and Steel      R. A. (Third Contact)
>> >                       Towers
>> > Synergy              Metropolitan Theme   R. A. (Third Contact)
>> > Synergy              Into the Abyss       R. A. (Third Contact)
>> >
>> > 1:00 am
>> >
>> > * = excerpt
>> > VA = Various Artists (compilation)
>> > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist
>> >
>> >
>> > NEXT SHOW:
>> > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Darshan
>> > Ambient.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient."
>> >
>> > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor
>> > Records and released in 1976.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> =======================================================================
>> > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music
>> > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in
>> Allentown
>> > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in
>> > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable.
>> > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt
>> > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml
>> > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml
>> > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link
>> > or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm
>> > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This
>> > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels
>> > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
>> > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
>> > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


------=_Part_12138_29720531.1165421206789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:22:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AEDD3BECA; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J18O/WJVW15Tr5QLcH8pZOe1brBHUJRzvSqSqVpEn87LmQn2N3F/z/UxnmI3KWlkbzDJsHtLoD11foWX90p15A45p6Wv6e/PN7rxmsFmaN3cXHuhQs+Lgygphkn9+gtcVlceyf1/okfU7GRfCaU60xaK++jIxUnjLA2wXGNg52U= Message-ID: <64b81a780612060922q4a3487c5ie5b26e6db6df2f01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:22:43 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Jon's right, Sean. " X-Loop" is the field name similar to "To" or "Subject". I don't have Thunderbird any more so I can't describe exactly how to set it up, but I'm sure there's an option in there somewhere to add a filter on a user defined header or field. Todd On 12/6/06, Jon Southwood wrote: > Hi, Sean. Thunderbird has the capability of adding header fields for its > filters. "X-Loop" is the field that should be added, and the filter should > look for "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" within it. I > don't have Thunderbird here at work, so I can detail how to add that field, > but I've done it at home to use Thunderbird in conjunction with SpamBayes to > great effect. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26143BEE4; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061206175053.13159.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BXKra95+tDex0NRIfI+KXc/FAniXp2l28uFy48WDtsnJfvjALrNvjLrp6WdkF92dHQmkEq2SELRiQze2wqnkGvwCKQF4E6fSrZUeaNoc/K7OJ5VSXp1IRsYp4Fnw2JT+WrViiAujAqPADMy0GVp7J9pV6P+q6EMb0+qJO2SLo9w=; X-YMail-OSG: vXu1FvQVM1kM7nSNneB6EkywrfbyGJSTB5f0fehgEnWj9uamyPr.7Bn9Sa2WGYeS41ex.zDatvPxD46x7dPDJkwT3E0I328rt6ZxbmJB_UhiqEcIRP1o3WWqNsfhwmyRyS.tNBjLZGOKn5U- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: semi-OT: m-audio's Black box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061206154137.6979D3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-507814584-1165427453=:10247" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:50:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-507814584-1165427453=:10247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit had a quick question: does anyone have/ use the maudio black box? it has a short delay of 2.5 sec that can be used as a looper (demoed by r. linn on the web from a namm show-and i thought his demo was quite impressive) and has the beat synched effects. reviews on h-c have been mixed (as usual) some like, some dislike... the thing a few said was: effects sounded too weird/too electronic for "normal use", which sounded like the perfect thing for many folks on this list.... just curious if anyone has used it, and their thoughts..... thanks, s---- ps-been using my new dd-20 more, and will say that i'm liking it more and more.....and the reverse is quite fun to mess w/ too.... --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-507814584-1165427453=:10247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
had a quick question:
does anyone have/ use the maudio black box?
it has a short delay of 2.5 sec that can be used as a looper (demoed by r. linn on the web from a namm show-and i thought his demo was quite impressive) and has the beat synched effects.
reviews on h-c have been mixed (as usual) some like, some dislike...
the thing a few said was: effects sounded too weird/too electronic for "normal use", which
sounded like the perfect thing for many folks on this list....
just curious if anyone has used it, and their thoughts.....
thanks,
s----
ps-been using my new dd-20 more, and will say that i'm liking it more and more.....and the reverse is quite fun to mess w/ too....

Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-507814584-1165427453=:10247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 18:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F1C3BEEE; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jMR1204PxtKvLMGn0/HKRP3kWrjwtg/DaKnJG+26EhvrGHbTaDMB3ww1MWERdA0WQuGkz+oLLHK7RjDk2dPCBnp6wnYzkS6OnW4j9ZEOhcHw911RCRzj/1SzE8ffFDf2lzEYfvca+RgLrdDdNpGh2qrxoVyLGCz6cdJb+TBfwtg=; X-YMail-OSG: _SGbRlwVM1nqHug5hpBWKLzGH.QOrfAXfPBdFVK4WNlXh7_bHuXf3uWGpJ6BrHy5sVcoW7cLI45csqT1W5E6p6UW1O.CtGEr4_9KDkwA71pCVOGELPONGqWQXsjuedr.EeKzEB8jCbh4s8s- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: semi-OT: m-audio's Black box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061206175053.13159.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <746019.62213.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) If the effects are anything like the Adrenalinn effects (judging from the website examples I'd say yes they are) I'd say it was more than worth the price of admission. However, I found the Adrenalinn's amp models to be pretty crappy... at least in the v1. Looks like the Black Box is on it's second version already so maybe they're a bit more mature. One thing I noticed is that *it* is doing the effects, not your computer. No latency or added load on your processor. I tried out Guitar Rig 2 (a lot more expensive than the Black Box) and although I was impressed by many of the sounds, it felt horrible compared to dedicated hardware and although my laptop ran it fine, it seems to be a CPU hog. Anyway, my reason for trying Guitar Rig 2 was to have a "laptop only" rig, but I realized that no matter what you'd have to drag along some sort of foot controller, so why not carry one around that is also a great amp modeler? (Vox Tonelab SE)... oh wait, and a Boss VF-1 for it's synced effects... and then an audio interface... Perhaps the Black box would eliminate one device and give you flexibility in tweaking effects on your computer, but I'm so comfortable with my gear now that I don't really think that would be a selling point. If you don't have an audio interface to get your guitar into your computer AND you don't care about ever putting in a line level signal into your computer, this could be a great little device for you. As for being a "looper" I'd say why would you care? If you've got a computer then you've got a way more capable looper that's free. --- scott hansen wrote: > had a quick question: > does anyone have/ use the maudio black box? > it has a short delay of 2.5 sec that can be used > as a looper (demoed by r. linn on the web from a > namm show-and i thought his demo was quite > impressive) and has the beat synched effects. > reviews on h-c have been mixed (as usual) some > like, some dislike... > the thing a few said was: effects sounded too > weird/too electronic for "normal use", which > sounded like the perfect thing for many folks on > this list.... > just curious if anyone has used it, and their > thoughts..... > thanks, > s---- > ps-been using my new dd-20 more, and will say that > i'm liking it more and more.....and the reverse is > quite fun to mess w/ too.... > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 19:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6672A3BF02; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PCvBc3fEIAghz5rYH6shYPXc3GH9feiXjGDIvsXRivs9Ieh3nCM5GR4yawxZ9NfoMkpVZ1C87X5IieGC8PHZe3sK3XUs1qJTJaUi1TLyAbPZxwD87e4AY6NVUvpCzCd2mqoIOyLHENZs7hVMLipqmLft5D3ulL8eQy4Y04BHCUk=; X-YMail-OSG: l2jiTeQVM1lqSvCxrEFbmTvAJ0ym.BzVVv0vUTTxfOndJ468Q.FTXNDeRUXJV_HThy1dkAerMKVhonMd07kw39qx2c5dOSkUSCC_kvLjENLS4g-- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Re: semi-OT: m-audio's Black box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <746019.62213.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1975509891-1165432098=:71341" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <462509.71341.qm@web50915.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5OH_gC.A.sf.kUxdFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:08:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1975509891-1165432098=:71341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have had computer incompatibility problems and have never been able to get the Black Box to function properly with my system. I'll be selling it on Ebay. 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I have had computer incompatibility problems and have never been able to get the Black Box to function properly with my system.  I'll be selling it on Ebay.
 
SR Millis
--0-1975509891-1165432098=:71341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:23:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1E6A3BEF0; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-305526961 From: Mark Landman Subject: Kyma system for sale Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:23:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-305526961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Motormix (tightly integrated motorized control surface), Firewire interface and power cables, Kyma X manual, Rack ears, transferable registration & support, Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper Construction Kit software. Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm New value $6,044.00 For sale at $5000 plus shipping. Thanks for the bandwidth- Mark --Apple-Mail-12-305526961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Kyma Capybara 320 sound = processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Motormix (tightly integrated = motorized control surface), Firewire interface and power cables, Kyma X = manual, Rack ears, transferable registration & support, Kyma X = software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper Construction Kit = software.

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= --Apple-Mail-12-305526961-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B5C3BEEE; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:38:49 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Introduction... and a question... In-reply-to: <10498389.1165255072525.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45774679.5040608@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <10498389.1165255072525.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:35:44 +0000 (UTC) jl wrote: > Aside from introducing myself to you all, I had a question. You see, my > main motivation for doing this sort of thing was because I wish to join > communities of creative, like-minded individuals for the purpose of > sharing > ideas, creative inspiration, and the like. While looper's delight > certainly > can fit this bill, I'd like to seek out more and was wondering if > anyone had > any suggestions as to other creative communities that I could seek out. Hi Jonas, While you don't mention *what* genre of music is of most interest to you, I'll still take a leap and recommend these Yahoogroups: beyond_em - SynthSights - You might also like the ambient group - Cheers, Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill ====================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm ====================================================================== Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ====================================================================== Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 00:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 839E73BEF0; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=i5km4VEniWNwg/beg2WwW5tIt6JFL218iGsPIiJDw3UncNLKUVFwCG5EGHWxShfVvW/204eQvXhYstnm1ucmIe6nMNJv2lIp+tiD5BHS1AT2TdIAaxPugRDSj3f5/f7rRV9zkq4aHhl3sSXDyIF/b/bWrvaxHqu4N6ErkxNJDOk=; X-YMail-OSG: EtFgvHsVM1lpiPR._Lnsw8WEEtr8GdNCti3ynshmfpZBU7Tvu0pSsBoOjQFqONBx9GZ0vPsOneuCrzNlWzg3mxUnw9XkJZY04wzYZ.tWUBn6qwJYeq4InCbUTO7yX2I0UYYpzNgIiZ.0AAg- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Jam looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <394005.39610.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <541275.44334.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:25:51 +0000 (UTC) > > experimental music seems > > to be the default for most live loop musicians. I > > simply enjoy seeing > > someon do something that is not that. While I think it's for sure more popular to be "experimental" (to some people that just means instrumental) I see musicians all the time using loopers to create live "pop" formatted music. For instance... Sunday night we went to see Imogen Heap (most known for the album she did as Frou Frou) at the Warfield. Our own Kid Beyond opened. Man was that a mother fucker of a show. Amazing. Sure many could call some of Andrew's improv stuff experimental, but most of it was rooted in good ol' fashion dance music, and the booties, they were a-shaken. Before him was a guitar looper. He was also pure standard pop music, but very good. I forget his name though... Then came Imogen. Wow. That girl had 2 Repeaters that she ran back and forth between, all the while singing like an angel (with a slight cold, but angelic none the less) I'd say there were few songs that didn't have a bit of looping in it. Anyway, that's art. Things always start "out there" and slowly mutate into something that's appealing to a wider audience. They're will always be the underground, but it supports the ground. That's where the people live. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 01:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78E43BEF1; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 01:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45777247.2070201@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:45:43 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jam looping References: <541275.44334.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <541275.44334.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070402050602000007010503" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0654-0, 12/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 01:45:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070402050602000007010503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "They're will always be the underground, but it supports the ground. That's where the people live." Wow. I'm speechless. Please don't sue me if I steel your quote! --Josh mark sottilaro wrote: >>> experimental music seems >>> to be the default for most live loop musicians. I >>> simply enjoy seeing >>> someon do something that is not that. >>> > > While I think it's for sure more popular to be > "experimental" (to some people that just means > instrumental) I see musicians all the time using > loopers to create live "pop" formatted music. > > For instance... > > Sunday night we went to see Imogen Heap (most known > for the album she did as Frou Frou) at the Warfield. > Our own Kid Beyond opened. Man was that a mother > fucker of a show. Amazing. Sure many could call some > of Andrew's improv stuff experimental, but most of it > was rooted in good ol' fashion dance music, and the > booties, they were a-shaken. > > Before him was a guitar looper. He was also pure > standard pop music, but very good. I forget his name > though... > > Then came Imogen. Wow. That girl had 2 Repeaters > that she ran back and forth between, all the while > singing like an angel (with a slight cold, but angelic > none the less) I'd say there were few songs that > didn't have a bit of looping in it. > > Anyway, that's art. Things always start "out there" > and slowly mutate into something that's appealing to a > wider audience. They're will always be the > underground, but it supports the ground. That's where > the people live. > > Mark > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > > > > --------------070402050602000007010503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "They're will always be the underground, but it supports the ground. That's where the people live."

Wow.  I'm speechless.  Please don't sue me if I steel your quote!

--Josh


mark sottilaro wrote: 
experimental music seems 
to be the default for most live loop musicians.  I
simply enjoy seeing 
someon do something that is not that.
      

While I think it's for sure more popular to be
"experimental" (to some people that just means
instrumental) I see musicians all the time using
loopers to create live "pop" formatted music.

For instance...

Sunday night we went to see Imogen Heap (most known
for the album she did as Frou Frou) at the Warfield. 
Our own Kid Beyond opened.  Man was that a mother
fucker of a show.  Amazing.  Sure many could call some
of Andrew's improv stuff experimental, but most of it
was rooted in good ol' fashion dance music, and the
booties, they were a-shaken.

Before him was a guitar looper.  He was also pure
standard pop music, but very good. I forget his name
though...

Then came Imogen.  Wow.  That girl had 2 Repeaters
that she ran back and forth between, all the while
singing like an angel (with a slight cold, but angelic
none the less)  I'd say there were few songs that
didn't have a bit of looping in it.

Anyway, that's art.  Things always start "out there"
and slowly mutate into something that's appealing to a
wider audience.  They're will always be the
underground, but it supports the ground.  That's where
the people live.

Mark


 
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--------------070402050602000007010503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 02:29:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059553BEEE; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: whatever@io-audio.com via smtp-2.hrnoc.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20st (Clear:RC:1(76.171.121.255):. Processed in 0.024354 secs) From: "jl" To: Subject: RE: Introduction... and a question... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <45774679.5040608@soundscapes.us> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-HR-Scan-Signature: b7360a6a5dc5b2048534dcd94f57f741 X-HR-Status: HR_AVScanned-(whatever@io-audio.com/216.120.225.38) Resent-Message-ID: <-6m4gD.A.YrC.Vy3dFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Genre-wise... I suppose I would use the terms "experimental", "psych", and "drone." But because that means a lot of different things to different people, I'd rather just direct people to my site at www.io-audio.com so they could make their own conclusions. In any case, thanks for the tips to those that responded. It is much appreciated! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introduction... and a question... jl wrote: > Aside from introducing myself to you all, I had a question. You see, my > main motivation for doing this sort of thing was because I wish to join > communities of creative, like-minded individuals for the purpose of > sharing > ideas, creative inspiration, and the like. While looper's delight > certainly > can fit this bill, I'd like to seek out more and was wondering if > anyone had > any suggestions as to other creative communities that I could seek out. Hi Jonas, While you don't mention *what* genre of music is of most interest to you, I'll still take a leap and recommend these Yahoogroups: beyond_em - SynthSights - You might also like the ambient group - Cheers, Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill ====================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm ====================================================================== Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ====================================================================== Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 06:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1899A3BEDD; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 06:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4577B53A.2080804@zwieble.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:31:22 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 06:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jon and Todd. Apologies to Bill, I meant no offense. These days, hard to tell what's what from sheer quantity. Glad to know about the X-Loop field. I'll check out the links in Bills email, glad I caught it. Thanks all. Sean Jon Southwood wrote: > Hi, Sean. Thunderbird has the capability of adding header fields for > its filters. "X-Loop" is the field that should be added, and the > filter should look for "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > " within it. I don't have > Thunderbird here at work, so I can detail how to add that field, but > I've done it at home to use Thunderbird in conjunction with SpamBayes > to great effect. > > As to the specific messages in question: Bill Fox is a long-time > member of this list who happens to run a radio show called "Galactic > Travels." He sends the playlists for his shows after they broadcast > for (what seems to me) two primary reasons: 1) Much of the music that > he plays is loop-related and therefore apropos this list and 2) He > often programs the music of members of this list, which then allows > the lismembers to see their collegues' names in lights, as it were. > > Questions regarding Bill's playlist messages seem to come up often > enough that he should get his own FAQ entry... > > Cheers, > > Jon Southwood > > On 12/6/06, *Sean Onion* > > wrote: > > Hmm... didn't work. I don't think I understood your direction. I'm > using Thunderbird and currently have filters looking for the mailing > group address in To, CC, and Body. Per your comment, I also added a > filter looking for "X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > "in To or > CC. The mystery messages have the subject "Galactic Travels Playlist > #504 for November 23, 2006" and were sent from Bill Fox. > > To clarify, I don't have a problem with my filters, just the format of > the original message header. Come to think of it, it's kind of a > blessing. The message was obviously advertising and > "undisclosed-recipients" indicates to me that it was sent by an email > blaster. I only want to see conversations on a mailing list, so I > guess > this works to my advantage. > > Thanks for your help Todd, > Sean > > > > Todd Pafford wrote: > > Direct your mail reader to filter based on this header: > > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Sean Onion > wrote: > >> Hi folks. Newbie here, lurking in the shadows. Just a quick > comment... > >> > >> The attached email shows up with "To = undisclosed-recipients:; " > >> > >> I don't know how this happens, but my email filters aren't > smart enough > >> to put it into my LD mail folder so it got marked as Junk. If > it had > >> "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > " in the "To" or "cc" > or even in the > >> body of the message then it would have gone to the right > place. Anyway, > >> just wanted to say something. > >> > >> unynh3d > >> ******************* > >> > >> Bill Fox wrote: > >> > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061130.html > >> > > >> > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music > show, that > >> > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and > >> Bethlehem, > >> > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in > Fogelsville > >> > and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and > webcasting on > >> > the internet. > >> > > >> > Show #505 November 30, 2006 > >> > > >> > RECAP: > >> > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synergy. The > >> Featured > >> > CD at Midnight was "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact > Records. > >> > > >> > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA > Records > >> > and released in 1977. > >> > > >> > Synergy - > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov > >> > > >> > > >> > PLAYLIST: > >> > > >> > 11:04 pm > >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > >> > ==================== ==================== > >> ============================== > >> > Vangelis Dervish D Spirals (RCA) > >> > Gert Emmens and A Journey Through Blind Watchers of a > >> Vanishing > >> > Ruud Heij Time Night (EH) > >> > M. Griffin I Dream the Same I Am Breathing > Dreams Out Of > >> > Girl In Every the Air (Hypnos Secret > >> > Dream Sounds) > >> > > >> > 12:00 am > >> > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > >> > ==================== ==================== > >> ============================== > >> > Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts > >> (Third > >> > Contact) > >> > Synergy Warriors R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy S-Scape R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Orbit 5 R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Ancestors R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Flight of the R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Looking Glass > >> > Synergy North River R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Steam and Steel R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Towers > >> > Synergy Metropolitan Theme R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > Synergy Into the Abyss R. A. (Third Contact) > >> > > >> > 1:00 am > >> > > >> > * = excerpt > >> > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > >> > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > >> > > >> > > >> > NEXT SHOW: > >> > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus > on Darshan > >> > Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." > >> > > >> > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on > Polydor > >> > Records and released in 1976. > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > ======================================================================= > >> > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music > >> > show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in > >> Allentown > >> > and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in > >> > Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service > Electric Cable. > >> > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > >> > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > >> > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml > >> > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the > LISTEN link > >> > or go directly to: > http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > >> > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on > [Join This > >> > Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels > >> > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > > >> > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > >> > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 11:21:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D563BEE6; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:24:07 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4577F9D7.1000901@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:21:20 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a the month-long Special Focus on Darshan Ambient, a.k.a. Michael Allison. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darshan Ambient." For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor Records and released in 1976. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 9 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 17:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD523BF01; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 446219033 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Krispen's LD site Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:52:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C71A28.5FEB8B0F" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C71A28.5FEB8B0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" damn! I'm in a top ten list! -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: 30 November 2006 21:24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Krispen's LD site Kevin has a script ready to go! http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200607/msg00864.html At any rate, I think LD rolls off the tongue better... At 2006.11.30 12:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I'd say you are generalizing from this instance to something outrageous. >If you want to propose that, then I'd do a more thorough analysis on top >posters besides myself in the last few years, and rename it "Person A, >Person B, Person C....etc, etc, Looper's Delight". 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damn! I'm in a top ten list!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com]
Sent: 30 November 2006 21:24
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Krispen's LD site


Kevin has a script ready to go!
http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/= 200607/msg00864.html

At any rate, I think LD rolls off the tongue better...


At 2006.11.30 12:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>I'd say you are generalizing from this instance to s= omething outrageous.
>If you want to propose that, then I'd do a more thor= ough analysis on top
>posters besides myself in the last few years, and re= name it "Person A,
>Person B, Person C....etc, etc, Looper's Delight&quo= t;. I'm sure that wouldn't fly.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C71A28.5FEB8B0F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 18:04:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07AE3BF0F; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 365280732 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:04:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C71A2A.16C75F84" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:04:14 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C71A2A.16C75F84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>I found the Adrenalinn's amp models to be pretty crappy... at least in the v1.<< they're a bit better in v2, & there are more of them. my own issue with the adrenalinn is that the midi implementation is a bit weak, especially on the remote control side. given it's only got the two footswitches & nowhere to plug in an expression pedal, this confines it to the studio or mucking-about-at-home user. given it's parentage, this is genuinely odd & disappointing. I still like the thing a lot though. I use it for midi-synced effects that I don't want/need to mess with much, & I use an alesis bass-fx (cheap, nasty, great fun) for the occasions where an expression pedal is essential. I won't ever take a laptop on-stage unless I am going to destroy it as part of the act. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C71A2A.16C75F84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box)

>>I found the Adrenalinn's amp models to be pretty = crappy... at least in the v1.<<

they're a bit better in v2, & there are more of them.=

my own issue with the adrenalinn is that the midi impleme= ntation is a bit weak, especially on the remote control side. given it's on= ly got the two footswitches & nowhere to plug in an expression pedal, t= his confines it to the studio or mucking-about-at-home user. given it's par= entage, this is genuinely odd & disappointing. I still like the thing a= lot though. I use it for midi-synced effects that I don't want/need to mes= s with much, & I use an alesis bass-fx (cheap, nasty, great fun) for th= e occasions where an expression pedal is essential.

I won't ever take a laptop on-stage unless I am going to = destroy it as part of the act.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C71A2A.16C75F84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 21:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906213BEFB; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x7NNQfsNfoij+NWbC0TG1xKv7xfMow0ufqQGLjbKH7O8uDiNcVYv4DA1rZthQf1eG9HPAsk2cavmRovaHdjB8inYZ+hioQZk+CSNKnWLHbD42ruS42N5NODNcE8QTCHq2dshtg8jT1aBeWDoM9OUL6m0RqPwPzNBFLGxMm3tnVA=; X-YMail-OSG: szt6ufsVM1kihhw42peBYUSMzTq85dv3a4jmNmsw6jj_R93iVB0fMgIUYX3CD18VyEEDoWzMhozbWHN2izojovjSSyZoa9PKGaM5uQNVY4Qb5BflPyCrb4vzcXt.LLSAYYJy.Kd8AwPjZX0- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <79461.79161.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <04tMNC.A.pUF.g3IeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I won't ever take a laptop on-stage unless I am > going to destroy it as part > of the act. LONG LIVE ROCK! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 22:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA903BF05; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006501c71a52$1772fa00$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <79461.79161.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:50:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC) once me and a friend spent a lot of time on reviving a broken laptop. we had to give up eventually and decided to take revenge by throwing it out of the window. you have to learn to let go, you know... i live on the 4th floor, we had a blast! i had completely forgotten how much fun we had as kids, throwing things down. the laptop looked as if a truck had driven over it (i took the escape button with me as a souvenir). when we came back from the thai restaurant half an hour later, it was gone. somebody must have taken it. poor guy. yours, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: RE: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > I won't ever take a laptop on-stage unless I am > > going to destroy it as part > > of the act. > > LONG LIVE ROCK! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 23:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6B2F3BF08; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZNxyJ60fgK3GE39NRLfGzCouRV+dgUoLfzl6om4KSWgJQxe5Ph5Tk7zEEqAgMH56oti0sam0fiszTpUAIzGtrEGJRFpjGAQw+J/dhlPERMtBRggFFBhImKBRDwreTbddew7b4IaxNKssYT0r7uX/xf2zDuHXuMYzkp7iMzUZl18= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:22:38 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <20prbD.A.FW.BJKeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) On 12/7/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my own issue with the adrenalinn is that the midi implementation is a bit > weak, especially on the remote control side. given it's only got the two > footswitches & nowhere to plug in an expression pedal, this confines it to > the studio or mucking-about-at-home user. I think Adrenalinns great! Simple, powerful, etc. I use them in performance connected to my EHX 16 sec delays which are also simple yet powerful. Sometimes I'll even connect two Adrenalinns to one of my Evolvers for some extra fun. Since they have such similar interfaces, it's easy to stay in that mind set... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 01:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668823BEE6; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 01:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <79461.79161.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <79461.79161.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-403634636 Message-Id: <577dfb6f2f97904bd0fa167d286f44bd@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:38:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <4SUPCC.A.HDE.bIMeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 01:38:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-403634636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, I've used an Adrenalinn from time to time. The one I have I bought =20 second hand a few years back from a fellow looper on this list. I've even found interesting (to me) ways of incorporating it into a =20 live performance situation -- although I tend to agree it seems to be a =20= creature made for the studio. What I do is to reassign the output jacks so that the processed =20 instrument and canned drum sounds go to different outputs. Once having done that, my favorite things to do is run the drums =20 through an Alesis Bitrman and totally trash them and then through the =20= Vocoder patch on an Alesis Ineko. Sounds like some sort of weird and weedy hybrid between the hip hop =20 boom box from hell and a Farfisa organ. Playing guitar on top of this (with timed FX) can sound kinda cool -- =20= if you can imagine being into that sort of thing. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 =93As for the 'solitary confinement of the mind,' my theory is that =20 solipsism, like other absurdities of the professional philosopher, is a =20= product of too much time wasted in library stacks between covers of a =20= book, in smoke-filled coffeehouses (bad for the brains) and =20 conversation-clogged seminars.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert Solitaire http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" --Apple-Mail-1-403634636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi all, I've used an Adrenalinn from time to time. The one I have I bought second hand a few years back from a fellow looper on this list.=20 I've even found interesting (to me) ways of incorporating it into a live performance situation -- although I tend to agree it seems to be a creature made for the studio. What I do is to reassign the output jacks so that the processed instrument and canned drum sounds go to different outputs. Once having done that, my favorite things to do is run the drums through an Alesis Bitrman and totally trash them and then through the Vocoder patch on an Alesis Ineko. Sounds like some sort of weird and weedy hybrid between the hip hop boom box from hell and a Farfisa organ. Playing guitar on top of this (with timed FX) can sound kinda cool -- if you can imagine being into that sort of thing. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 0000,0000,8080http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZS= tore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6378076 8080,0000,0000 =93As for the 'solitary confinement of the mind,' my theory is that solipsism, like other absurdities of the professional philosopher, is a product of too much time wasted in library stacks between covers of a book, in smoke-filled coffeehouses (bad for the brains) and conversation-clogged seminars.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert Solitaire9B9B,9B9B,9B9B http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" --Apple-Mail-1-403634636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 02:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3711A3BEDA; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,511,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="126894130:sNHT52360378" Message-ID: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:12:37 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Question about looping software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <95eFQ.A.N_E.ZoMeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple based s/w that can do live looping. About a month ago I walked into Guitar Center and walked out with an RC-50. I brought it home, played around, researched on the net, found loopers-delight and read all the archived comments, then played some more. Resolved all the issues to my own satisfaction (hiccup, feedback, modes, they're mostly solved by system level settings) and had a blast playing around and being creative. Only thing I didn't solve for is the one thing that RC-50 simply can't do: loops under 1.5 seconds. So I took it back and traded for a Vox ToneLab SE modeller. 12AX7/ECC83 dual triode, and up to 4 seconds looping; more along what I was looking for when I walked into GC. At any rate, the RC-50 turned me onto something I never thought I'd enjoy so much... looping phrases (as in long patterns, entire sections of a song, etc.) I've played around with Garage Band and BIAB, so I'm familiar with using drag/drop loops to build a song. But being able to do it live, on the spot... it's addictive! I'm exctatic with my new modeller, but I want to also start playing around with this. So this is what I'm thinking. I've got an older i-Mac with OSX 10.2.8, 1Gb ram, 130Gb disk and an Oxygen-8 USB midi keyboard. I looked at Ableton Live but the current version is as much as the RC-50 so I don't think I can afford that route in the short term. Plus, in my experience there are sometimes open-source s/w that are as good as or better than commercial software. As to hardware, I supposed I could use Intel based stuff but I love the Apple so much. Frankly, it's quieter, both electronically and audibly. I've also got a Mac Mini, but isn't that more geared as an office workstation? Beyond that, I'm clearly over my head and out of my league. I'd like to hear from you as to what I should do. Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 02:36:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB1B63BEFA; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Vg9ON3YK0Th1MqMtE6e/4e6eHJWdlqDylC+PbqNNx1Os9TjmgENI+2dYB055F2IvSPVR/HtWsvAtU+gCHEUTji4duWVzeynlGoSTF5nIldYAT5NfiAwXEZCxKebRJ5y/rwbEjQpi12ie0L9tTLyFaD1Ydn0/eFHcsDkHtpqQbtQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:35:59 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software In-Reply-To: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_78463_7778930.1165545359876" References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:36:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_78463_7778930.1165545359876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Check out SooperLooper. On 12/7/06, Sean Onion wrote: > > Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple based > s/w that can do live looping. > > About a month ago I walked into Guitar Center and walked out with an > RC-50. I brought it home, played around, researched on the net, found > loopers-delight and read all the archived comments, then played some > more. Resolved all the issues to my own satisfaction (hiccup, feedback, > modes, they're mostly solved by system level settings) and had a blast > playing around and being creative. Only thing I didn't solve for is the > one thing that RC-50 simply can't do: loops under 1.5 seconds. So I > took it back and traded for a Vox ToneLab SE modeller. 12AX7/ECC83 dual > triode, and up to 4 seconds looping; more along what I was looking for > when I walked into GC. > > At any rate, the RC-50 turned me onto something I never thought I'd > enjoy so much... looping phrases (as in long patterns, entire sections > of a song, etc.) I've played around with Garage Band and BIAB, so I'm > familiar with using drag/drop loops to build a song. But being able to > do it live, on the spot... it's addictive! I'm exctatic with my new > modeller, but I want to also start playing around with this. > > So this is what I'm thinking. I've got an older i-Mac with OSX 10.2.8, > 1Gb ram, 130Gb disk and an Oxygen-8 USB midi keyboard. I looked at > Ableton Live but the current version is as much as the RC-50 so I don't > think I can afford that route in the short term. Plus, in my experience > there are sometimes open-source s/w that are as good as or better than > commercial software. > > As to hardware, I supposed I could use Intel based stuff but I love the > Apple so much. Frankly, it's quieter, both electronically and audibly. > I've also got a Mac Mini, but isn't that more geared as an office > workstation? Beyond that, I'm clearly over my head and out of my league. > > I'd like to hear from you as to what I should do. > > Sean > > ------=_Part_78463_7778930.1165545359876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Check out SooperLooper.

On 12/7/06, Sean Onion <sean@zwieble.com> wrote:
Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple based
s/w that can do live looping.

About a month ago I walked into Guitar Center and walked out with an
RC-50.  I brought it home, played around, researched on the net, found
loopers-delight and read all the archived comments, then played some
more.  Resolved all the issues to my own satisfaction (hiccup, feedback,
modes, they're mostly solved by system level settings) and had a blast
playing around and being creative.  Only thing I didn't solve for is the
one thing that RC-50 simply can't do: loops under 1.5 seconds.  So I
took it back and traded for a Vox ToneLab SE modeller.  12AX7/ECC83 dual
triode, and up to 4 seconds looping; more along what I was looking for
when I walked into GC.

At any rate, the RC-50 turned me onto something I never thought I'd
enjoy so much... looping phrases (as in long patterns, entire sections
of a song, etc.)  I've played around with Garage Band and BIAB, so I'm
familiar with using drag/drop loops to build a song.  But being able to
do it live, on the spot... it's addictive!  I'm exctatic with my new
modeller, but I want to also start playing around with this.

So this is what I'm thinking.  I've got an older i-Mac with OSX 10.2.8,
1Gb ram, 130Gb disk and an Oxygen-8 USB midi keyboard.  I looked at
Ableton Live but the current version is as much as the RC-50 so I don't
think I can afford that route in the short term.  Plus, in my experience
there are sometimes open-source s/w that are as good as or better than
commercial software.

As to hardware, I supposed I could use Intel based stuff but I love the
Apple so much.  Frankly, it's quieter, both electronically and audibly.
I've also got a Mac Mini, but isn't that more geared as an office
workstation?  Beyond that, I'm clearly over my head and out of my league.

I'd like to hear from you as to what I should do.

Sean


------=_Part_78463_7778930.1165545359876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 05:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712373BEE4; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f4801c71a89$385ba3c0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #7 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:25:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F43_01C71A4E.8B20EAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:25:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F43_01C71A4E.8B20EAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html Loop ! Station (cello and vocals...interesting duo) Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/yccigaoymb.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/fx2y5tntym.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/j4nm81r3s9.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/cdtllyd1zg.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0F43_01C71A4E.8B20EAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest = addition to=20 the Y2K6 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loop= fest.com/mp3.html
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0F43_01C71A4E.8B20EAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 05:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2454A3BEE4; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f7701c71a8b$eae21590$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006f01c6c11e$97fbd080$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <001301c6c12f$cd510320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <413B42E5-37DF-4538-A062-96128D7EA6FB@gmail.com> <423D4ACD-FDC6-4BCD-A46F-BEAD6489BECB@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Looping device comparison chart updated with RC-50 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:44:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <__MIzB.A.ZZD.6uPeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 05:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Excellent, Per. I see you've updated the chart to include some other items, like the RC-2 (which was, BTW, stolen from my vehicle last week, along with two guitar amps, chords, sheet music, etc, etc)...right from my own driveway. K- ----- Original Message ----- > On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> This handy chart is a leftover from a magazine article I wrote. Might be >> helpful for comparing different looping devices: >> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php >> >> Thank you Roland Scandinavia for lending me an RC-50 unit for testing! >> ;-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 10:59:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5503BED6; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EgSNEuQYdkPdC9rsUwKsayyigv+RmYIBp0AVsWOpTUQoyuT2qS+YlaHiC9e+KUIDVPdAdkWDzg34v96lddrAOVem85n4mJK/XHrt2dQ7xI7VCLQK2YqRJv0KwyWalKJqMNlkBpYB4oZNnV/bJdl/+eoO0tgcWm+UGeV8KQHPNYM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:59:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4sn9sD.A.mPD.pWUeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:59:53 +0000 (UTC) On 8 dec 2006, at 03.12, Sean Onion wrote: > Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple > based s/w that can do live looping. 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< > At any rate, the RC-50 turned me onto something I never thought I'd > enjoy so much... looping phrases (as in long patterns, entire > sections of a song, etc.) SooperLooper! http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ Augustus Loop! http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ None of them will let you create multiple loops, on a row, to step between for arranging. But SooperLooper will let you create multiple loops for parallel playback, even of different length which can be cool for variation. Augustus Loop on the other hand was originally a Tape Delay Simulator and has excellent capabilities for pitch transposing a loop in real-time (just like altering the tape speed). Augustus can be used for many parallel loops by simply open multiple instances of it on parallel host tracks/channels. You need a host application to open the looper as an AU plug-in. You mentioned GarageBand in your post, but when I checked SooperLooper with GB here SL didn't pick up the tempo. This looks as an issue with GB, since SL is getting the tempo fine in all other host applications I have tried it with (my guess is that Apple crippled the AU tempo clock functionality in GB to make people buy Logic when they get serious with music production) . But if you don't need to integrate looping with other stuff you put on tracks in GB I guess GB word be worth trying as a looper host. There is also a nice little free AU host application from Apple named AU Lab. It comes bundled with Tiger, you'll find it at "Developer/ Applicatons/Audio". If you didn't install the Xcode developers tools with Tiger you can just snag AU Lab from the OSX install DVD. There is also a free looper in there named AU-Loop but don't look twice, it's buggy and not worth the time trying to make it work ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 15:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5463BEE9; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:38:52 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Travis and Per. This looks like it ought to be fun. Are there any issues in using hardware, such as my Oxygen-8 keyboard or a midi pedal/switch? I don't have the latter, but I suppose I could pick something up on ebay. And I know I've got to also use JACK. Per, you were saying that none will create multiple loops for arranging. I was looking at SL and there's a command line interface... it looks like it's possible to launch multiple loops per engine and even multiple engines. I suppose the trick would be in the use of JACK and either assigning keys or knobs on the keyboard or multiple midi pedals, one to each engine. That is, it would be nice to do the same thing that the RC-50 does (one pedal for each loop). Heck, if that's the case then why limit to 3. Course, I've never done this live so at this point I'm just smokin dope. But if it's possible, would it be worth the trouble? Sean Per Boysen wrote: > On 8 dec 2006, at 03.12, Sean Onion wrote: > >> Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple >> based s/w that can do live looping. > 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< >> At any rate, the RC-50 turned me onto something I never thought I'd >> enjoy so much... looping phrases (as in long patterns, entire >> sections of a song, etc.) > > > SooperLooper! > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > Augustus Loop! > http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ > > None of them will let you create multiple loops, on a row, to step > between for arranging. But SooperLooper will let you create multiple > loops for parallel playback, even of different length which can be > cool for variation. Augustus Loop on the other hand was originally a > Tape Delay Simulator and has excellent capabilities for pitch > transposing a loop in real-time (just like altering the tape speed). > Augustus can be used for many parallel loops by simply open multiple > instances of it on parallel host tracks/channels. > > You need a host application to open the looper as an AU plug-in. You > mentioned GarageBand in your post, but when I checked SooperLooper > with GB here SL didn't pick up the tempo. This looks as an issue with > GB, since SL is getting the tempo fine in all other host applications > I have tried it with (my guess is that Apple crippled the AU tempo > clock functionality in GB to make people buy Logic when they get > serious with music production) . But if you don't need to integrate > looping with other stuff you put on tracks in GB I guess GB word be > worth trying as a looper host. > > There is also a nice little free AU host application from Apple named > AU Lab. It comes bundled with Tiger, you'll find it at > "Developer/Applicatons/Audio". If you didn't install the Xcode > developers tools with Tiger you can just snag AU Lab from the OSX > install DVD. There is also a free looper in there named AU-Loop but > don't look twice, it's buggy and not worth the time trying to make it > work ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 16:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7284A3BEF6; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=H0KjZNLFB/Kpi/3C9QF+JLP8+HCcVj1S0m/glRev81xeDn5xnoVT+QFlPnXYVipSIVJw9heL3VlZ7bEGgZwSL9HWYCxiJKht1C+y9xAt+I3qz3wy3VomkpcRrFf/bK6cM2MszyTSMlkPyI3D3MNOPbHYKBtxYEE9th8F8xE70Bc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A49166B-8A95-4808-8884-7ECFC89B429E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:04:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:04:21 +0000 (UTC) On 8 dec 2006, at 16.38, Sean Onion wrote: > Are there any issues in using hardware, such as my Oxygen-8 > keyboard or a midi pedal/switch? I don't have the latter, but I > suppose I could pick something up on ebay. Stay away from any audio interface that uses USB to shuffle data to/ from the computer. A generally better performance is found if the device talks Firewire, PCI or PCMCIA. But for MIDI USB is perfect! > And I know I've got to also use JACK. Not necessarily. If you run SooperLooper OSX standalone version you need JACK. Not if you use some host application to run SooperLooper AU plug-in. > Per, you were saying that none will create multiple loops for > arranging. I was looking at SL and there's a command line > interface... it looks like it's possible to launch multiple loops > per engine and even multiple engines. Yes, that's right. What I was saying is that you can not jump between different loops on the same track/channel/engine. If you want to musically jump between multiple loops you have to come up with some method to alternatively mute them, since they are playing in parallel - as opposed in a linear way. This is of course not impossible, just takes a little more work to master. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 16:31:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FD83BEF8; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:27:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #505 for December 7, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45799284.7080600@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <9Mn6xD.A.8K.kNZeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:31:32 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061207.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #506 December 7, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Darshan Ambient." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Green Ray" by Zanov on Polydor Records and released in 1976. Darshan Ambient - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Zanov Machine Desperation Green Ray (Polydor) Craig Padilla and Shadowed Transition Phantasma (Groove) Skip Murphy Craig Padilla and Eternal Path Phantasma (Groove) Skip Murphy Wahnfried Drums'n'Balls Drums'n'Balls (Revisited) Redshift State 2 RW2 (Distant Sun) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Darshan Ambient Adrift in the Amber Darshan Ambient (none) Darshan Ambient Worm Asleep Darshan Ambient (none) Darshan Ambient The Mirror of Darshan Ambient (none) Silence Darshan Ambient A Night On Evans Darshan Ambient (none) Pond Darshan Ambient Transparent Yellow Darshan Ambient (none) Pastorale Darshan Ambient The Dream Pool Darshan Ambient (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Selected Works Vol. 3" released on MP3.COM. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 16:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541BF3BEE9; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8A49166B-8A95-4808-8884-7ECFC89B429E@gmail.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> <8A49166B-8A95-4808-8884-7ECFC89B429E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-458227750 Message-Id: <740A6847-E6F8-4B6B-AEF9-A4EBB5F55670@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:48:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-458227750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi per i would mention here that as far as usb 1.0 you are correct, but with usb 2.0 you are wrong. a good example is the native instruments Kore controller, which communicates with usb 2 and gives you 2 in and 4 out. now that usb 2 is proliferating, one can't dismiss usb interfaces outright with out considering which "flavor" they are. my 2 cents cheers bruce On Dec 8, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Stay away from any audio interface that uses USB to shuffle data to/ > from the computer. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "To know is nothing at all; to imagine is everything." Albert Einstein --Apple-Mail-7-458227750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi per
i would mention here = that as far as usb 1.0 you are correct, but with usb 2.0 you are wrong. = a good example is the native instruments Kore controller, which = communicates with usb 2 and gives you 2 in and 4 out. now that usb 2 is = proliferating, one can't dismiss usb interfaces outright with out = considering which "flavor" they are.
my 2 = cents
cheers
bruce

On Dec 8, = 2006, at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

Stay away from any audio = interface that uses USB to shuffle data to/from the computer.=A0

=

bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"To know is nothing at all; = to imagine is everything."

Albert Einstein


= --Apple-Mail-7-458227750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 17:06:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7363A3BEE8; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LYiyfMDtXw1Om81lfTID7tr/Ys1zZ5ggSqMmSSU6DryU10SmEpcbQimvIOTFmSS+dwfYqIwVQZo7aVd0m13HN0gi7oi2Zlv4nOrQhRtpDb0rgdkSw0Z0D+LuptoGRMUQa7rAA7J0hKjop84QASx8r37nsPeFFDSRW/1/W0te9T0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <740A6847-E6F8-4B6B-AEF9-A4EBB5F55670@skeletonhome.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> <8A49166B-8A95-4808-8884-7ECFC89B429E@gmail.com> <740A6847-E6F8-4B6B-AEF9-A4EBB5F55670@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:06:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6QtOnB.A.S5B.NuZeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:06:21 +0000 (UTC) "Wrong"? What do you mean by "wrong" in a general advice? I don't agree that NI Kore does justify USB as an optimal real-time transfer protocol for digital audio, I would rather say that Kore is a lucky exception ;-) You can't seriously compare purchasing Kore with buying a cheap MIDI interface and an AD/DA converter! For a beginner that is to buy new gear, why take chances? I'd say it's better to look at the products that are available inside the budget you have set up and go for stuff that people have been using and given good reports on. Per On 8 dec 2006, at 17.48, bruce tovsky wrote: > hi per > i would mention here that as far as usb 1.0 you are correct, but > with usb 2.0 you are wrong. a good example is the native > instruments Kore controller, which communicates with usb 2 and > gives you 2 in and 4 out. now that usb 2 is proliferating, one > can't dismiss usb interfaces outright with out considering which > "flavor" they are. > my 2 cents > cheers > bruce > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Stay away from any audio interface that uses USB to shuffle data >> to/from the computer. > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "To know is nothing at all; to imagine is everything." > Albert Einstein > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 17:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A413BEF6; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1165600548.4579a7246604b@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:55:48 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #7 References: <0f4801c71a89$385ba3c0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0f4801c71a89$385ba3c0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:55:51 +0000 (UTC) yay! more stuff.. thanks Kris!!! I'm looking forward to having it all, and listening to it all in one sitting.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Here are the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: > http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html > > Loop ! Station (cello and vocals...interesting duo) > > Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/yccigaoymb.mp3 > Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/fx2y5tntym.mp3 > Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/j4nm81r3s9.mp3 > Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/cdtllyd1zg.mp3 > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 18:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C010F3BED2; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <4579870C.6020407@zwieble.com> <8A49166B-8A95-4808-8884-7ECFC89B429E@gmail.com> <740A6847-E6F8-4B6B-AEF9-A4EBB5F55670@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-463103464 Message-Id: <544C7DA3-B90A-4FA5-A259-BB7AF63BC16E@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:09:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9z7mU.A.KmE.tpaeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:09:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-463103464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi per well, all i was saying is that there are products that use usb that - for me - provide more than acceptable results. i use an mbox for pro tools on my laptop, an m-audio fw410 (firewire 400) for live performing, and have been integrating the kore controller into my rig as an alternate to the 410 - due to its superb controller mapping capabilities. this would allow me to leave my behringer fader box behind and just travel with my laptop and kore. the thing that the fw410 brings is its multichannel output capabilities, but kore can do quad quite effortlessly and that is mostly what i do in surround. of course, is you're doing high sample rate recording then usb is not going to work for you, but for a beginner the wide range of usb interfaces are worth considering for their price/performance ratio, and the fact that you can find integrated products such as keyboards that include audio interfaces along with midi makes it even easier for someone with limited finances to get a foot in the door. cheers bruce On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > "Wrong"? What do you mean by "wrong" in a general advice? I don't > agree that NI Kore does justify USB as an optimal real-time > transfer protocol for digital audio, I would rather say that Kore > is a lucky exception ;-) You can't seriously compare purchasing > Kore with buying a cheap MIDI interface and an AD/DA converter! > For a beginner that is to buy new gear, why take chances? I'd say > it's better to look at the products that are available inside the > budget you have set up and go for stuff that people have been using > and given good reports on. > > Per bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams --Apple-Mail-9-463103464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi per
well, all i was = saying is that there are products that use usb that - for me - provide = more than acceptable results. i use an mbox for pro tools on my laptop, = an m-audio fw410 (firewire 400) for live performing, and have been = integrating the kore controller into my rig as an alternate to the 410 - = due to its superb controller mapping capabilities. this would allow me = to leave my behringer fader box behind and just travel with my laptop = and kore. the thing that the fw410 brings is its multichannel output = capabilities, but kore can do quad quite effortlessly and that is mostly = what i do in surround. of course, is you're doing high sample rate = recording then usb is not going to work for you, but for a beginner the = wide range of usb interfaces are worth considering for their = price/performance ratio, and the fact that you can find integrated = products such as keyboards that include audio interfaces along with midi = makes it even easier for someone with limited finances to get a foot in = the door.
cheers
bruce

On = Dec 8, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

"Wrong"? What do you mean by = "wrong" in a general advice? I don't agree that NI Kore does justify USB = as an optimal real-time transfer protocol for digital audio, I would = rather say that Kore is a lucky exception ;-)=A0 You can't seriously compare = purchasing Kore with buying a cheap MIDI interface=A0 and an AD/DA converter!=A0 For a beginner that is to buy = new gear, why take chances? I'd say it's better to look at the products = that are available inside the budget you have set up and go for stuff = that people have been using and given good reports on.


Per


bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Flying is learning how to = throw yourself at the ground and miss."

Douglas Adams

=

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 21:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E3463BEEC; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17944757.1165612001664.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:06:41 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping device comparison chart updated with RC-50 Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (like the RC-2 (which was, BTW, stolen from my vehicle last week, along with two guitar amps, chords, sheet music, etc, etc)...right from my own driveway. ) Holy cow! Where do you live again? Utah? I didn't know there were any thieves in that state. -- Paul Richards ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Excellent, Per. I see you've updated the chart to include some other items, > like the RC-2 (which was, BTW, stolen from my vehicle last week, along with > two guitar amps, chords, sheet music, etc, etc)...right from my own > driveway. > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> This handy chart is a leftover from a magazine article I wrote. Might be > >> helpful for comparing different looping devices: > >> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > >> > >> Thank you Roland Scandinavia for lending me an RC-50 unit for testing! > >> ;-) > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 00:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B1F3BEE9; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NX+6pudc7Jvo8F9cUQM8KZNLrvn/m1Wk0IJXI2QeKKxEO03FzkI9Zj3xVx2xIh7A8Nh2ANP7TNoekdVSlCAbLmmyuz1thsBWM45INZeZZKKLn1nDvNe6VqyBxSpCG+H8aaBBSHs+FbFAa1hW74azxn4K5PiSxlWw6FW0OQqjoAI=; X-YMail-OSG: 1DDoCVYVM1nMk6RwxplCG77Z8TcfTTu8k3igYHa_NzpBJmC5VXVrGOXs8PGqUNEts854KdkexTVzwkToyENjy_SrjE8NbhIuSkr2A3acF1gRwnDVR7HdLEZhJpOVihgkj9KW5oYo7ez.AT8- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: FS: dod d-12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061208175551.A80EA3BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1976823224-1165622487=:60453" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <155879.60453.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-z8-HB.A.WeD.YzfeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:01:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-1976823224-1165622487=:60453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i decided to move away from my old rack setup to a pedal set up. up for sale is my dod d-12 on ebay, it is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/DOD-Dimension-12-D-12_W0QQitemZ140062779898QQihZ004QQcategoryZ23790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem i had the item listed at 80$ last week, and it didn't sell, w/ 12 watchers, guess it's not the most desireable loop unit out there. so i moved the price down to 70$. sorry for the shameless plug.... happy loop weekend. s--- --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1976823224-1165622487=:60453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i decided to move away from my old rack setup to a pedal set up.
up for sale is my dod d-12 on ebay, it is here:
 
 
i had the item listed at 80$ last week, and it didn't sell,
w/ 12 watchers, guess it's not the most desireable loop unit out there.
so i moved the price down to 70$.
sorry for the shameless plug....
happy loop weekend.
s---

Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1976823224-1165622487=:60453-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 01:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D48E73BEE4; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <4rWbaC.A.WZG.EygeFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Yes the current version of Ableton may be as much as the RC-50 but if you already have MAC hardware avaliable then I think you should sell the Boss pedal (maybe for less than you bought it for) and buy Ableton and a MIDI pedal board. Your world of 'looping' will suddenly become vast and surpass anything the RC-50 can do Dan www.myspace.com/danmayfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 02:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 868D53BEE0; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 02:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 03:33:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 02:33:39 +0000 (UTC) there may be a huge difference: as far as i know ableton (i.e. not the latest version), it is impossible to start a loop without defining tempo first. which means: each of your pieces will start with you synchronising to a kind of click track... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Question about looping software > Hi > > Yes the current version of Ableton may be as much as the RC-50 but if you > already have MAC hardware avaliable then I think you should sell the Boss > pedal (maybe for less than you bought it for) and buy Ableton and a MIDI > pedal board. Your world of 'looping' will suddenly become vast and surpass > anything the RC-50 can do > > Dan > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274583BEE1; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:17:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <457A7F17.5050003@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:14:07 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 9 at 6:00 am EST / GMT-5. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen to WMUH on-line at: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 15:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E753BEE1; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:31:12 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software Message-ID: <20061209153112.GA6823@monkeyman.funkytown> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: <1Ev5WD.A.eXD.VateFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:30:29 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 06:12:37PM -0800, Sean Onion wrote: > Newbie here... short question is this: I'd like advice about Apple based > s/w that can do live looping. > > So this is what I'm thinking. I've got an older i-Mac with OSX 10.2.8, > 1Gb ram, 130Gb disk and an Oxygen-8 USB midi keyboard. I looked at > Ableton Live but the current version is as much as the RC-50 so I don't > think I can afford that route in the short term. Plus, in my experience > there are sometimes open-source s/w that are as good as or better than > commercial software. > > > I'd like to hear from you as to what I should do. > > Sean > I seem to think saving up for Live is something to think about still. For my software setup it works quite well. A midi foot pedal, keyboard controller and my guitar replaces a rack of stuff I use. With Live you can really do alot. I think most people may miss alot you can do with looping in live. Just gotta think it out first. Other than that Sooperlooper I'd suggest also. If you go on the linux side, try seq24 then. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 15:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F6103BEE4; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:36:50 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software Message-ID: <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: <8MrBBC.A.kqD.efteFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:35:58 +0000 (UTC) You can start loops with the tempo defined and change loops to different tempos as desired. You can also start a loop and set the tempo to your playing if needed. Hope I understood your statement and helped :O) On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 03:33:30AM +0100, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > there may be a huge difference: > as far as i know ableton (i.e. not the latest version), it is impossible to > start a loop without defining tempo first. > which means: each of your pieces will start with you synchronising to a kind > of click track... > tilmann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Mayfield" > To: > > > Hi > > > > Yes the current version of Ableton may be as much as the RC-50 but if you > > already have MAC hardware avaliable then I think you should sell the Boss > > pedal (maybe for less than you bought it for) and buy Ableton and a MIDI > > pedal board. Your world of 'looping' will suddenly become vast and > surpass > > anything the RC-50 can do > > > > Dan > > www.myspace.com/danmayfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 16:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39B0A3BED6; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:13:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 9, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <457AE0C7.509@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:10:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/061209.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #98 December 9, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was preempted in order to cover more territory in Phase I. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Subsonic Regained Paradise E-dition #11 (Groove) Experience] VA [M. Reuter and History E-dition #11 (Groove) I. Boddy] VA [DBKAOS] Hydrosphere E-dition #11 (Groove) Fear Falls Burning Numb With Grace * I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace (Equation) Wahnfried Chicken Biryani Drums'n'Balls (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Windy Times Timewind (Revisited) Gert Emmens Myths and Legends As The Tale of the Warlock Told By the (Groove) Storyteller Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Age of Nemesis Mommy's Crying Psychogeist (Magna Carta) Rocket Scientists Revolution Road Revolution Road (Think Tank) Spock's Beard Dreaming in the Age Spock's Beard (InsideOut) of Answers Spock's Beard Here's a Man Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Spock's Beard They Know We Know Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Stream of Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Unconsciousness The Flower Kings End On a High Note Paradox Hotel (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on December 23. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 16:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B54E3BED9; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 08:46:09 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> In-Reply-To: <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks all, this is good info. On the idea of doing what the RC-50 can do, it seems that I might be able to use SL with either multiple loops or engines or both. What about the other s/w? Could this be done with Ableton Live? Sean rick wrote: > You can start loops with the tempo defined and change loops to different > tempos as desired. You can also start a loop and set the tempo to your > playing if needed. Hope I understood your statement and helped :O) > > > > On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 03:33:30AM +0100, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> there may be a huge difference: >> as far as i know ableton (i.e. not the latest version), it is impossible to >> start a loop without defining tempo first. >> which means: each of your pieces will start with you synchronising to a kind >> of click track... >> tilmann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dan Mayfield" >> To: >> >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Yes the current version of Ableton may be as much as the RC-50 but if you >>> already have MAC hardware avaliable then I think you should sell the Boss >>> pedal (maybe for less than you bought it for) and buy Ableton and a MIDI >>> pedal board. Your world of 'looping' will suddenly become vast and >>> >> surpass >> >>> anything the RC-50 can do >>> >>> Dan >>> www.myspace.com/danmayfield >>> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 16:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8EC13BEE9; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457AEABC.5060803@zwieble.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 08:56:28 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Use of controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) What's the best use of controllers in a performance looping setup? That is, what would you use switches, pedals (rockers), knobs, sliders and keyboard for? And a corollary to that question is where: floor or on a stand? Thanks folks, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6DD3BEF3; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TGELtn9kfbo4/58hRdpDAASoioHuFNlH3+FOE/iUmVJahGKYvQYf9v2VH1+44inm8mkhURVf1aiQ5Mwo/c++kyTNr2Yn6bFPc/0YcYbwnyGaxFEu2sIv8gM5vU4z3Gq0+syt4FhnxZDCSxodOXliXJxumL7RERs9/do9047Lwmo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:24:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:24:44 +0000 (UTC) On 9 dec 2006, at 17.46, Sean Onion wrote: > Thanks all, this is good info. On the idea of doing what the RC-50 > can do, it seems that I might be able to use SL with either > multiple loops or engines or both. What about the other s/w? > Could this be done with Ableton Live? You're not telling what you want to do, so it might be difficult to give an accurate answer. The typical way of looping in SooperLooper is rather difficult to do in Live (I would say "impossible" if you want do do it fluently with an improvisational touch). With that I mean starting out by creating a loop of your playing - which also defines the tempo and - then overdubbing many musical layers into that loop and also starting other loops in parallel, eventually of different length. But, on the other hand you can run SL as a plug-in in Live and then the question is if you're doing it in Live or if you're doing it in SooperLooer ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6A5C3BEE8; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457AF835.4050702@zwieble.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 09:53:57 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) OK, let me preface my answers with an acknowledgment of my complete ignorance of terms and technique. The following is clearly from a layman's perspective; I'm trying to communicate concepts and probably not using the right terms... Per Boysen wrote: > > You're not telling what you want to do, so it might be difficult to > give an accurate answer. With the RC50 I could switch between loops or do simultaneous loops. Actually, Boss' use of the term 'phrase' is probably more accurate here. I want to be able to do this; lay down one or more loops to establish a repeating phrase that I can use as the base of a song section. From there, I want to do the same with additional phrases. I want the ability to either play multiple phrases simultaneously and/or to switch between phrases. That is the strength of the RC50. > > But, on the other hand you can run SL as a plug-in in Live and then > the question is if you're doing it in Live or if you're doing it in > SooperLooer ;-)) > Actually, I would think that that would be what you would use the RC50 best for. I don't think it was ever really designed to replace 'loopers'. I think that it uses looping technology to provide the ability to manage phrases. Sort of 'macro loop management'. When I was playing with the RC50 I was able to dynamically manage the flow of music very well. What I couldn't do was to create unique sound (OK, actually I did, but not in the same way that traditional loopers seem to do.) So to answer your question, I want to use looping software to do both sound creation and phrase management. I think... ;D Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 18:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB373BEDF; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nY58UfQpimz9es7nMl1c/iPPSk3Az7HcxxWivSETKg6qPAHrB+/GKOvpCor+04WdfrqJ0PDvH4YEEn/YZAFDR0Aw5Zhqpx17qH+yguYQ9WNCOASCrajvvZVAl0LNVCvQcMUokuoAdnB9ocaNPVj00k5O/3P+1ZP9OFJg5ro93mE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <457AF835.4050702@zwieble.com> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457AF835.4050702@zwieble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:05:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) On 9 dec 2006, at 18.53, Sean Onion wrote: > With the RC50 I could switch between loops or do simultaneous > loops. Actually, Boss' use of the term 'phrase' is probably more > accurate here. I want to be able to do this; lay down one or more > loops to establish a repeating phrase that I can use as the base of > a song section. From there, I want to do the same with additional > phrases. I want the ability to either play multiple phrases > simultaneously and/or to switch between phrases. That is the > strength of the RC50. yep. And if you don't need to overdub multiple layers into the same loop it would all be possible to do in Live (since that was the question of the last post ;-) > Actually, I would think that that would be what you would use the > RC50 best for. I don't think it was ever really designed to > replace 'loopers'. I think that it uses looping technology to > provide the ability to manage phrases. Sort of 'macro loop > management'. When I was playing with the RC50 I was able to > dynamically manage the flow of music very well. What I couldn't do > was to create unique sound (OK, actually I did, but not in the same > way that traditional loopers seem to do.) > So to answer your question, I want to use looping software to do > both sound creation and phrase management. I think... ;D Well, isn't your best choice pretty obvious then? You said in an earlier mail that you would appreciate not using a computer and this leaves the RC50 as the winner. Just try it out before buying, so you are comfy with it, as well as with the praxis of not using more than three loops in a song. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 21:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D8013BEE0; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 21:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:11:14 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software Message-ID: <20061209211114.GA3306@monkeyman.funkytown> References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457AF835.4050702@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 21:10:56 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 07:05:05PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > Well, isn't your best choice pretty obvious then? You said in an > earlier mail that you would appreciate not using a computer and this > leaves the RC50 as the winner. Just try it out before buying, so you > are comfy with it, as well as with the praxis of not using more than > three loops in a song. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > . . . Just a thought to add - I prefer mot using a computer myself. I just tend to sound and work more "musically" without it is the only way I can describe it. Ideas come through more clearly. With my laptop I'm always tweaking or configuring or whatever it seems, but the versatility is great :O) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 22:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 780EF3BEE6; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10fe01c71be0$67ceaa50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f4801c71a89$385ba3c0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:21:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_10FA_01C71BA5.B5F69B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_10FA_01C71BA5.B5F69B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know the whereabouts of Daniel Lewis? I have his Y2K6 MP3s = done and sent him a note, but he hasn't responded. www.dreambeach.net Two other notes: There is a lot of great looping still coming up. Wait until you hear = Patrick Cress on Bari sax and Daniel Robbins on bass....like Jaco and = Charlie Hunter all wrapped up into one fine jazz player....and many = other interesting performers. Also, remember Y2K5? All those MP3s here: = http://www.box.net/public/ndblgm1jfh and here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #7 Here are the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html=20 Loop ! Station (cello and vocals...interesting duo) Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/yccigaoymb.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/fx2y5tntym.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/j4nm81r3s9.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/cdtllyd1zg.mp3 = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_10FA_01C71BA5.B5F69B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know the whereabouts of = Daniel Lewis? I=20 have his Y2K6 MP3s done and sent him a note, but he hasn't=20 responded.

www.dreambeach.net

Two other notes:

There is a lot of great looping still = coming up. Wait=20 until you hear Patrick Cress on Bari sax and Daniel Robbins on = bass....like Jaco=20 and Charlie Hunter all wrapped up into one fine jazz player....and many = other=20 interesting performers.

Also, remember Y2K5? All those MP3s here: = http://www.box.net/public/n= dblgm1jfh and=20 here: http://www.boi= semusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm

Cheers,

Kris
 
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------=_NextPart_000_10FA_01C71BA5.B5F69B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 22:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 464403BED9; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:25:37 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > The typical way of looping in SooperLooper is rather > difficult to do in Live (I would say "impossible" if you want do do it > fluently with an improvisational touch). With that I mean starting out > by creating a loop of your playing - which also defines the tempo and - > then overdubbing many musical layers into that loop and also starting > other loops in parallel, eventually of different length. Speaking of the typical way of using sooperlooper... One of my favorite things about the EDP is the way you can adjust cycle lengths using the multiply or insert button without any quantization set. This gives fine grained control over the loop start and end points and allows the freedom to develop the loop over time in astonishing ways. I haven't yet had a chance to try sooperlooper. Does anyone know if it supports these features? - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 03:20:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43953BEE1; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iBxdubn75Y52k6SK/4HcB4WHCc53f4N0HdRylG35vfwXfrEtw+NO1wpPtIx8oA6hqL47z95xBLtuuqGkhkYVzAxc9yDkU8MIlqbJjmhnmQQ3zGnOKfXZxTq9pBrYPgbYD8htlJMl91ZNL8liBK2CbYn1M0M0wBhPhSb+ZK/fyh8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:20:26 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software In-Reply-To: <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 536e91388c91ae8c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:20:28 +0000 (UTC) On 12/9/06, Sam Nilsson wrote: > One of my favorite things about the EDP is the way you can adjust cycle > lengths using the multiply or insert button without any quantization > set. This gives fine grained control over the loop start and end points > and allows the freedom to develop the loop over time in astonishing > ways. I haven't yet had a chance to try sooperlooper. Does anyone know > if it supports these features? No, if I understand your description correctly, SL doesn't support changing start and end points like that. Multiply and Insert currently always extend the loop (or shorten in some cases when using Multiply on an already multiplied loop) by a cycle, regardless of quantization setting. Probably an oversight on my part. Mobius probably has it... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 06:36:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEF293BED9; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kyrWJyYz7UNdtXvLmauU3ulGANSrdiuMst64lkeTtkotV7Cf0XmzHL5MyrFB508SpEG6qIcr+xmMMNSDs9VVbDqyc8+UP9J66rVlkKFvwwFnbpXaC6sNIL8WjwLSX0pFZqaCqI5prsdW+axerBcZlBd38OnoALtJXrzJlRInIKw=; X-YMail-OSG: 89IMM.wVM1laFiOcNzUw1HNLMrfRhHsTtM88gBOHVDx0VU8rzHNoMWDnQlRGWW.ZgfLJqec7X.s6NtoHDmfYw9mHek57OCjlN8IGiB_U8MMoX5GHEiOcsjOg7vIdjHwRtkxJcmjuph9wHWg- Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Use of controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <457AEABC.5060803@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <653923.87173.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:36:07 +0000 (UTC) it really depends on a lot of things. What's your instrument? When I'm playing keyboard I have buttons programmed on the controller to control my loops. For guitar, buttons suck, so it's all on the floor. Some functions like loop volume work best as a expression pedal, others foot switches. I find the Handsonic funny because a lot of the presets use the D-Beam (Infrared beam of light) to trigger a sound, and it's nearly imossible for me to make it work in any accurate way. However, it's great for controlling pitch and effect/modulation controls. Really you can do anything a million ways, the most important thing is becoming comfortable and intimate with your hardware interface so it becomes second nature to use. Mark --- Sean Onion wrote: > What's the best use of controllers in a performance > looping setup? That > is, what would you use switches, pedals (rockers), > knobs, sliders and > keyboard for? And a corollary to that question is > where: floor or on a > stand? > > Thanks folks, > Sean > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 08:40:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA49A3BED9; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457BC816.3040503@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:40:54 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Jesse Chappell wrote: > No, if I understand your description correctly, SL doesn't support > changing start and end points like that. Multiply and Insert > currently always extend the loop (or shorten in some cases when using > Multiply on an already multiplied loop) by a cycle, regardless of > quantization setting. Probably an oversight on my part. Mobius > probably has it... Thanks for the detailed info. I can't bring myself to run windows (not to mention invest in hardware for that platform), so I need investigate the sooperlooper source code to look for a feasible way to add this. The stereo echoplex thing isn't really working for me, so extending sooperlooper to emulate more of the EDP features is my next idea (since I prefer a stereo looper). - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 09:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7963BED9; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=r4ObdTWOvQEAUrbUgmMpE/uolqg9YwRMEk27aqsmuLBPVslx+BL5optEQKEeEV1uRNXSwboLmFv6Fm+m1b1wExaTCyrO+wnFvBhfa01Yb7L3hahPflYRiHIxF391OHphU2FQ5qOpODvycdb44yso1UN+13uCRdv69edE/yz8Jow= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8671AA21-7217-4BA7-965C-BE347847540F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about looping software Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:30:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:30:47 +0000 (UTC) > On 12/9/06, Sam Nilsson wrote: >> One of my favorite things about the EDP is the way you can adjust >> cycle >> lengths using the multiply or insert button without any quantization >> set. This gives fine grained control over the loop start and end >> points >> and allows the freedom to develop the loop over time in astonishing >> ways. I haven't yet had a chance to try sooperlooper. Does anyone >> know >> if it supports these features? On 10 dec 2006, at 04.20, Jesse Chappell wrote: > No, if I understand your description correctly, SL doesn't support > changing start and end points like that. Multiply and Insert > currently always extend the loop (or shorten in some cases when using > Multiply on an already multiplied loop) by a cycle, regardless of > quantization setting. Probably an oversight on my part. Mobius > probably has it... > > jlc Yes, Mobius has that. But even though it's also one of mine favorite chops on the EDP I tend to do it quantized i Mobius. But quantized to very small granular elements, like 128 8ths per cycle or so. I just find the result more musically interesting compared to a totally off sync granulation of the loop (not always though ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 09:47:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 439AD3BEE0; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c5NGhsAxFsffmXdfsk4yBKj+me4emUuQoLNsmOk/bGewOTCZHWCOVs3SBR18DfJmRLciy771lPpgVNyaItWqwD3Mpj/DlSKkALPPcdsKbrg2a3za4omH9W9GvgRMT5jy1AmQ7/PuR2QVgPnxsmsldWW+F1YMhjITNTk6oL/wXc0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <653923.87173.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653923.87173.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Use of controllers Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:47:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:27 +0000 (UTC) I'm totally with Mark on this! You should start your research based on your musical needs rather than available technical options in gear. > For > guitar, buttons suck, so it's all on the floor. I actually had a funny solution for playing guitar looping without floor controller pedals in the 80-90's. I was using a MIDI guitar and mapped certain MIDI note numbers of different strings to zones in a sampler, where I had to prepare the loops in advance. The idea was to play "normal" guitar not knowing what loops were loaded into the sampler and challenge oneself by adapting your improvisation to the soundscapes that was brutally thrown into the music when you happened to pass by a "trigger note" on the fretboard. Eventually I may return to that concept now when using the EWI for "MIDI Looping" in Logic (but then mapping different generative processes to those trigger notes). per On 10 dec 2006, at 07.36, mark sottilaro wrote: > it really depends on a lot of things. What's your > instrument? When I'm playing keyboard I have buttons > programmed on the controller to control my loops. For > guitar, buttons suck, so it's all on the floor. Some > functions like loop volume work best as a expression > pedal, others foot switches. I find the Handsonic > funny because a lot of the presets use the D-Beam > (Infrared beam of light) to trigger a sound, and it's > nearly imossible for me to make it work in any > accurate way. However, it's great for controlling > pitch and effect/modulation controls. > > Really you can do anything a million ways, the most > important thing is becoming comfortable and intimate > with your hardware interface so it becomes second > nature to use. > > Mark > > --- Sean Onion wrote: > >> What's the best use of controllers in a performance >> looping setup? That >> is, what would you use switches, pedals (rockers), >> knobs, sliders and >> keyboard for? And a corollary to that question is >> where: floor or on a >> stand? >> >> Thanks folks, >> Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 11:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D3123BEC5; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=bgm8ogG9TF6rmkpK50KiRH50ViB+relSyWLays5fKL4UFm18KGnsNN8RwpIBkRn+9NWLwQskftjAwWabfmuDHFwTWtFZbq+X8Crv+L/MGQBEnbkHs6gtSOi20G9y/LY6AovSMUmk8ApDstgPTieiBlbWyV6TW0KMZXitWlqpjNw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:40:23 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: e3fe1229a8609ee5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:40:24 +0000 (UTC) I've gone to some trouble to get round this limitation by using a combination of Live and Augustus Loop. See e.g. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156253 http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48154&highlight= cheers, os. > From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > > there may be a huge difference: > as far as i know ableton (i.e. not the latest version), it is impossible to > start a loop without defining tempo first. > which means: each of your pieces will start with you synchronising to a kind > of click track... > tilmann -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 12:03:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DFE3BED0; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:06:43 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Email filters In-reply-to: <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <0iNjrC.A.5xF.ue_eFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Sean Onion wrote: > Thanks Jon and Todd. Apologies to Bill, I meant no offense. These > days, hard to tell what's what from sheer quantity. Glad to know > about the X-Loop field. I'll check out the links in Bills email, glad > I caught it. Thanks all. No problem, Sean. Happens all the time! ;-) > Jon Southwood wrote: > >> As to the specific messages in question: Bill Fox is a long-time >> member of this list who happens to run a radio show called "Galactic >> Travels." He sends the playlists for his shows after they broadcast >> for (what seems to me) two primary reasons: 1) Much of the music that >> he plays is loop-related and therefore apropos this list and 2) He >> often programs the music of members of this list, which then allows >> the lismembers to see their collegues' names in lights, as it were. > Thanks, Jon. Speaking of loops on my show, next week's Vinyl Starter, instead of being a dinosaur disk, will be new vinyl from Fear Falls Burning, the alter ego of vidnaObmana. I think that you will clearly hear some serious looping going on. >> On 12/6/06, *Sean Onion* > >> wrote: >> The mystery messages have the subject "Galactic Travels Playlist >> #504 for November 23, 2006" and were sent from Bill Fox. >> >> To clarify, I don't have a problem with my filters, just the >> format of >> the original message header. Come to think of it, it's kind of a >> blessing. The message was obviously advertising and >> "undisclosed-recipients" indicates to me that it was sent by an >> email >> blaster. I only want to see conversations on a mailing list, so I >> guess this works to my advantage. >> Thanks for your help Todd, >> Sean > Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist Distribution." (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which means that Loopers is not in the To: field. Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the results you desire. To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my stuff. The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out: "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to the date and show number. Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing content in the playlists to help you filter them out. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 14:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610B83BEC7; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=uCvXeo1RRv1R9A+rjMepBgpVPYb0wNm1YInNF7RZGdlGp7N/Lx6cU7hECwHAE/iYZfdC7vAx9vwyITgUjvyxR0gIEGWIS6f1h85yor8H2QwxitGO8P+uZHc1XSofM2j8IlYDGONIuqCaEsC0A55YEZNz9n5tKMKy7xvcLV1XqKo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:28:23 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software In-Reply-To: <457BC816.3040503@servingpeace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457B37E1.70108@servingpeace.com> <457BC816.3040503@servingpeace.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ced7968f738b4bc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) On 12/10/06, Sam Nilsson wrote: > I can't bring myself to run windows (not to mention invest in hardware > for that platform), so I need investigate the sooperlooper source code > to look for a feasible way to add this. The stereo echoplex thing isn't > really working for me, so extending sooperlooper to emulate more of the > EDP features is my next idea (since I prefer a stereo looper). Join the SL mailing list at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users and let's talk about it. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 16:47:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3653BED0; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457C3A16.5060402@zwieble.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:47:18 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Bill. I was tripped up reading the solution offered at first; that is, add the field "X-Looper" to the filter and put "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in that field. I honestly thought that X-Looper was some secret code for this discussion thread! 20 years in IT and I'm still learning... Anyway, you might want to put together a blurb or disclaimer on your messages that explain the whole BCC and X-Loopers solution for filtering your emails; that would leave you the freedom of changing subject and content without anyone losing your emails. My original boggle was that it looked like something I want to see (I do) and my spam routines identified it as junk. Thanks, BTW, for the excellent broadcasts! Sean Bill Fox wrote: > Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because > (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist > Distribution." > (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind > copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which > means that Loopers is not in the To: field. > > Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the results > you desire. To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my > playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my > stuff. The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out: > "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to the > date and show number. Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing > content in the playlists to help you filter them out. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 16:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7403BEDA; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <457C3CC2.6090006@zwieble.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:58:42 -0800 From: Sean Onion User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> <002a01c71b2e$84af3930$4951b251@homemain> <000f01c71b3a$6b00dbe0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20061209153650.GA6872@monkeyman.funkytown> <457AE851.1010905@zwieble.com> <08E1945A-B8D7-48A5-B1F6-0EB732B18727@gmail.com> <457AF835.4050702@zwieble.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7bOO7D.A.axC.EzDfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) I think I misspoke then... I actually am very comfortable with a computer as it opens up so many possibilities that I can't accomplish with firmware. And I actually did buy an RC50 without researching first - and returned it for a VOX guitar modeler. The reason I'm pursuing the s/w route is that there were aspects I really like about the RC-50 but it misses the mark (for me) by inches. Boss has a very nice concept but the implementation isn't mature enough yet. Besides... to do anything resembling batch programming, I'll have to implement midi and I'd do that with a computer; so why invest in two solutions when I believe that one will handle it all? Especially using something with a unix-ish o/s. That opens up a world of options that one simply can't hit with firmware. That and I'm cheap... ;-D Sean Per Boysen wrote: > > Well, isn't your best choice pretty obvious then? You said in an > earlier mail that you would appreciate not using a computer and this > leaves the RC50 as the winner. Just try it out before buying, so you > are comfy with it, as well as with the praxis of not using more than > three loops in a song. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 17:24:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A8A3BEDE; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Bk+rx3KoDWGHMFUwgbNOZquja96njXUReMHoDwkbRvzLDjfJW1+JjvzPa3EqmLOVIjnYCPajkDmkXPPqUeuEPNmVJTUvL9cu/daYQLDvWR8oMor2fYvcB+hIAsOeIfZ4OO+L6RktOo+YJ2LhxXc/OS2uRYWd8XaFJhm9jjl6nqc= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0612100924p2117869elfec213ec47b536c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:24:38 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: software newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80894_11290174.1165771478147" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_80894_11290174.1165771478147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm really starting to see the limitations of hardware. i'm currently using an akai headrush and its hooked up the effects loop on my mixer. i can virtually loop anything that is coming into the mixer. but with the headrush, it just keeps layering, and after each layer you lose control over the last layer. i've read about the software looping, but it hasn't clicked with me yet. can someone point me in the right direction as to what a typical software looping setup will be? i only loops live sounds from live instruments, no midi. -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_80894_11290174.1165771478147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm really starting to see the limitations of hardware.
i'm currently using an akai headrush and its hooked up the effects loop on my mixer.
i can virtually loop anything that is coming into the mixer.
but with the headrush, it just keeps layering, and after each layer you lose control over the last layer.

i've read about the software looping, but it hasn't clicked with me yet.
can someone point me in the right direction as to what a typical software looping setup will be?
i only loops live sounds from live instruments, no midi.

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_80894_11290174.1165771478147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 18:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055EE3BEDD; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a101c71c85$2cc31900$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f4801c71a89$385ba3c0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10fe01c71be0$67ceaa50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C71C4A.7F7BDCD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:01:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C71C4A.7F7BDCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou Stanosaur? I'd like to publicly = ask Stan's permission to post his MP3 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, = just because I think LD needs to hear a virtual version of the sheer = magnitude and colossal power that his system heaped upon the audience. = It was like watching a 1950's B-rated horror/sci-fi flick...people = standing in awe with mouths gaping open...children shrieking with = terror, scientists frantically fiddling with the instruments to measure = this unusual phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of safety, etc, = etc....(yes, there really was fog) :) Stan, can you elaborate on your system? Please. K- ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C71C4A.7F7BDCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou=20 Stanosaur?  I'd like to publicly ask Stan's permission to post = his MP3=20 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, just because I think LD = needs to=20 hear a virtual version of the sheer magnitude and colossal power = that his=20 system heaped upon the audience. It was like watching a 1950's B-rated=20 horror/sci-fi flick...people standing in awe with mouths gaping = open...children=20 shrieking with terror, scientists frantically fiddling with the = instruments to=20 measure this unusual phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of = safety, etc,=20 etc....(yes, there really was fog) :)
 
Stan, can you elaborate on your = system? =20 Please.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C71C4A.7F7BDCD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 20:18:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4D863BED6; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:20:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: software newbie In-reply-to: <570890.1165773309634.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <457C6C23.3020700@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <570890.1165773309634.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Dan Katayama wrote: > i'm really starting to see the limitations of hardware. > i'm currently using an akai headrush and its hooked up the effects > loop on my mixer. > i can virtually loop anything that is coming into the mixer. > but with the headrush, it just keeps layering, and after each layer > you lose control over the last layer. I also have a Headrush that is fed a signal from an effect send. However, I return it's output to a channel. This allows me to play with the EQ on the Headrush's channel. By sending THIS channel to the Headrush, the EQ effects alter what's looping. Or I can choose to leave the effect send off and loop in the normal manner. I think your problem may lie more with the limitations of the Headrush itself, rather than your problem being a hardware issue. The Echoplex, for instance, *will* give you more control over previous layers than the Headrush does, iirc. (I've never used the EDP, only read about it here.) > i've read about the software looping, but it hasn't clicked with me yet. > can someone point me in the right direction as to what a typical > software looping setup will be? > i only loops live sounds from live instruments, no midi. At you can learn about the Mobius looping software. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 21:12:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07B13BEE4; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:12:38 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: software newbie Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c71c9f$ee12b650$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcccgBNjGBb4L5/aSOieDVuM5uFtpAAHJw5g In-reply-to: <55e79c0d0612100924p2117869elfec213ec47b536c@mail.gmail.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Dan, while there are good reasons for several people to use a computer for looping, I wouldn't see them in your case based on what you describe, because what you're seeing is not the limitations of hardware, but the limitations of your hardware, the Headrush. What you might do hardware-wise: * use more than one looper * use a looper which allows for multi-track looping * use a looper which allows for multiple loops * use a looper with powerful undo/redo capabilities Software-wise, you can also browse the archives about different possibilities. Basically, there are two different basic approaches together with a hybrid in-between: * pure laptop setup: all signal processing (including looping) is done in the laptop * laptop loops only, all other signal processing is done with hardware FX * hybrid: the laptop does looping and signal processing, hardware boxes are used for additional processing As for software, there are several solutions both for Windows and Mac machines, both standalone and plugins. They include: * Mobius (Windows only, standalone and VST) * SooperLooper (Mac) * Augustus (Mac) * using a powerful audio processing system with hand-made setups (e.g. MAX, Reaktor) Finally, depending on what you want to do, there might be the possibility to use some "DJ-style" loop-based audio sequencer (e.g. Ableton Live!). So the best thing would be if you would elaborate a little more on what you want to do (your way of working musically or how you intend to work) and what your ancilliary conditions are (like computer platform, preference for hardware or computer,...), and then we would be able to give recommendations in greater detail. Rainer ________________________________ Von: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2006 18:25 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: software newbie i'm really starting to see the limitations of hardware. i'm currently using an akai headrush and its hooked up the effects loop on my mixer. i can virtually loop anything that is coming into the mixer. but with the headrush, it just keeps layering, and after each layer you lose control over the last layer. i've read about the software looping, but it hasn't clicked with me yet. can someone point me in the right direction as to what a typical software looping setup will be? i only loops live sounds from live instruments, no midi. -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 23:01:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF913BEE0; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=waWdllZ4Rv7+miyWl+iYZYhVFWBCkCs+laWg/ENhRIlc9fVz1f0ARzCpaTcQOlm200O5cO7sCyly2jIoYvvl2MriSJAjYfbSHeguVnGsJ4RrP700ipasXgv8dMslSM2sV+gwMu5e6iW+oo60xZZFcMhnTH1y0BlI9pHVS0gtZrY=; X-YMail-OSG: 3gOkCEEVM1nC64ynUkXY0OQzczyDBv5YKQhoN.eI8NHqkUkMwd6JmVe2pMkbqzgCcGLa_4_X16reHQhCmuckoyKxsbfGHADVXeGdH6PiiQtYJXFWgQfWQGm0fKnjT0IFcGwTM_5OWKrOaQ-- Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Another newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1115537030-1165791661=:44227" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1115537030-1165791661=:44227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do musically---and looping is appealing to me. I need advice: what would you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a guitarist? Thanks in advance! Scott Millis --0-1115537030-1165791661=:44227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do musically---and looping is appealing to me.  I need advice: what would you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a guitarist?  Thanks in advance!

Scott Millis
--0-1115537030-1165791661=:44227-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 23:27:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7533BED9; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OGJHS6pT1q8g734Jp8zM8pdRVc0TZShZHyTXYcyENi5O0pdQ4Yy8943f9Y+mAd2n5MpNfl+jd+5uG1zoHdYGv24QLcxDEfk/6QHY+MnPWFYr+M8iOI8B2TPVMJm4jBxa1axb+/58/nYQd63IDrYuVI2lXpCNnpkkxb9DWhEGFvA= Message-ID: <64b81a780612101527x57128d29l34986b38f97731fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:27:15 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters In-Reply-To: <457C3A16.5060402@zwieble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> <457C3A16.5060402@zwieble.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Sean, Note that the X-Loop field isn't just Bill's stuff, it's all of the Looper's Delight list. For whatever reason, it seems that most folks don't know that it's there. Maybe a blurb on the LD website would be appropriate. (Though, for all I know it may already be mentioned on the LD site.) Todd On 12/10/06, Sean Onion wrote: > Thanks Bill. I was tripped up reading the solution offered at first; > that is, add the field "X-Looper" to the filter and put > "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in that field. I honestly thought > that X-Looper was some secret code for this discussion thread! 20 years > in IT and I'm still learning... Anyway, you might want to put together > a blurb or disclaimer on your messages that explain the whole BCC and > X-Loopers solution for filtering your emails; that would leave you the > freedom of changing subject and content without anyone losing your > emails. My original boggle was that it looked like something I want to > see (I do) and my spam routines identified it as junk. Thanks, BTW, for > the excellent broadcasts! > Sean > > Bill Fox wrote: > > Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because > > (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist > > Distribution." > > (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind > > copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which > > means that Loopers is not in the To: field. > > > > Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the results > > you desire. To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my > > playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my > > stuff. The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out: > > "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to the > > date and show number. Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing > > content in the playlists to help you filter them out. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 23:52:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7DE33BED5; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WYd1QRcNIdwXjeaaBdmSHshGEtnAa/LDo76DhjZ30V9IXd55bj4nDBxLSKRuL/o5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <25911407.1165794771974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:52:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4890fe93bec21ddf9b6e632dc8c3e87deda8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris-WOW! what hyperbole-yur hired! i art here... of course you can post it. i only request that the first piece be used. the second 'attempt' really didnt work due to extenuating circumstances :-) as RW knows i have never liked my stuff being recorded(long story). but i like what i'm humbly trying to do now. i know its very late in life for one to find their VOICE-aint life a bitch. s >Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou Stanosaur? I'd like to publicly ask Stan's permission to post his MP3 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, just because I think LD needs to hear a virtual version of the sheer magnitude and colossal power that his system heaped upon the audience. It was like watching a 1950's B-rated horror/sci-fi flick...people standing in awe with mouths gaping open...children shrieking with terror, scientists frantically fiddling with the instruments to measure this unusual phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of safety, etc, etc....(yes, there really was fog) :) >Stan, can you elaborate on your system? Please. >K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 01:31:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4373BED8; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-662389962 Message-Id: <71c7b235e8d3a127b8a4da4ce1ccc537@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Another newbie Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:31:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:31:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-662389962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) for=20= slapback! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote: > I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an=20 > essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do=20 > musically---and looping is appealing to me.=A0 I need advice: what = would=20 > you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a=20 > guitarist?=A0 Thanks in advance! > > Scott Millis --Apple-Mail-1-662389962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) for slapback! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote: I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do musically---and looping is appealing to me.=A0 I need advice: what would you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a guitarist?=A0 Thanks in advance! Scott Millis = --Apple-Mail-1-662389962-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 01:37:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BE503BED9; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <71c7b235e8d3a127b8a4da4ce1ccc537@glasswing.com> References: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> <71c7b235e8d3a127b8a4da4ce1ccc537@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-662747971 Message-Id: <11A76C4E-24BC-4997-BC41-C5E82F2F7EAE@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Another newbie Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:37:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-662747971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 10, 2006, at 7:31 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) > for slapback! Or the Fulltone TTE. --Apple-Mail-11-662747971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Dec 10, 2006, at 7:31 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) for slapback!

Or the Fulltone TTE.


--Apple-Mail-11-662747971-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 01:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F7E3BEE0; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C4Yw3QheTPg6nWaf5YgIgA2NTyw8Mn8oxMKMc/3zCw+7WyTZOkJDzyRh/thx2MwKdOHhAJ3lTuD/KyLzaz3UhDzHRQSBcovN7bPx3TC/VIJ+Y2TjFn5BWMoFEzu2XGoEtyaXFf9KFe2jzSlkbLhVJsZU2USoelkgrIaVaOkcecE=; X-YMail-OSG: 80tVCmkVM1lmxfcW6DgxACSMeV2N6Lox2leakhIFaeWCaOU8DbVHDIoJsekTQ3k.3hfGO2._rUzB5LIkbsZSDUCdrK6zWjdZsL5Hm7ph20pm6PD6tpWiECRNELDTYgjHUMW36aJ5lXo43MwX_51XrA3ORJrXdtQqekw7Yq6Bc7aiPyPDfqTAWZ_QQ3Z4 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Re: Another newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <71c7b235e8d3a127b8a4da4ce1ccc537@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-895539366-1165801543=:21902" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:45:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-895539366-1165801543=:21902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Richard. I'm also looking for a unit that would allow me to get into "traditional" looping. Scott Richard Sales wrote: For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) for slapback! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote: > I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an > essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do > musically---and looping is appealing to me. I need advice: what would > you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a > guitarist? Thanks in advance! > > Scott Millis Scott R Millis, PhD, MEd, ABPP (CN & RP) Professor & Director of Research Department of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Wayne State University School of Medicine 261 Mack Blvd Detroit, MI 48201 Email: smillis@med.wayne.edu Tel: 313-993-8085 Fax: 313-745-9854 ********************************************************* This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information it contains. Thank you. --0-895539366-1165801543=:21902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Richard.  I'm also looking for a unit that would allow me to get into "traditional" looping. 

Scott

Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
For my money, it's hard to beat an old Echoplex (the old tape kind) for
slapback!

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote:

> I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an
> essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do
> musically---and looping is appealing to me.  I need advice: what would
> you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a
> guitarist?  Thanks in advance!
>
> Scott Millis



Scott R Millis, PhD, MEd, ABPP (CN & RP)
Professor & Director of Research
Department of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Wayne State University School of Medicine
261 Mack Blvd
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Thank you. --0-895539366-1165801543=:21902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 04:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 387D63BEC7; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015b01c71cdc$52333920$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <25911407.1165794771974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:24:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Your wish is my command, Stan. Here is your first take: http://www.box.net/public/static/5fkztaemol.mp3 I still think you should describe your system. I recall two giant 5-foot tall amps....by Sun? Some really old looking Electro-Harmonix guitar synth, but three times as big as the ones you buy now...and did you have a bomb simulator on the floor? I can't recall. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur > Hi Kris-WOW! what hyperbole-yur hired! > i art here... > of course you can post it. i only request that the first piece be used. > the second 'attempt' really didnt work due to extenuating circumstances > :-) > as RW knows i have never liked my stuff being recorded(long story). > but i like what i'm humbly trying to do now. > i know its very late in life for one to find their VOICE-aint life a > bitch. > s > >>Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou Stanosaur? I'd like to publicly ask >>Stan's permission to post his MP3 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, just >>because I think LD needs to hear a virtual version of the sheer magnitude >>and colossal power that his system heaped upon the audience. It was like >>watching a 1950's B-rated horror/sci-fi flick...people standing in awe >>with mouths gaping open...children shrieking with terror, scientists >>frantically fiddling with the instruments to measure this unusual >>phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of safety, etc, etc....(yes, >>there really was fog) :) >>Stan, can you elaborate on your system? Please. >>K- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 04:54:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025453BECD; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ngtJ1z7L5t/aK9Pop/TRwN10aiLoBP+uTjfRt52HQU+m88Fw3RVfS/c87lvV4fgw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <30585626.1165812870191.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:54:29 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486f6a6852f7c695318b55e41983b1cf88a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: <2LAKfD.A.Y_H.GSOfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:54:30 +0000 (UTC) hey Kris-thanks for that-i am grateful-you can put the rest of that up if you want to eventho it didnt have the "girth" i would've had if the 'neighbors' hadnt complained... there is another longass story concerning my rig... short story-totally Analog setup for that show-2 1973 Model T Sunn amps and cabs. cab 1 had 2 15"s cab 2 had 4(!) 15" spkrs. looping was into into amp#1 live guitar was <1977 Gibson LesPaul> into into into to amp#2. i am forever indebted to LoopersDelight and to Rick Walker and the Loopfest(s) happy holidays yall S T A N O S A U R (also-that was JimThomas of the Mermen on GONG!) -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Dec 10, 2006 8:24 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur > >Your wish is my command, Stan. Here is your first take: > >http://www.box.net/public/static/5fkztaemol.mp3 > >I still think you should describe your system. I recall two giant 5-foot >tall amps....by Sun? Some really old looking Electro-Harmonix guitar synth, >but three times as big as the ones you buy now...and did you have a bomb >simulator on the floor? I can't recall. :) > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:52 PM >Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur > > >> Hi Kris-WOW! what hyperbole-yur hired! >> i art here... >> of course you can post it. i only request that the first piece be used. >> the second 'attempt' really didnt work due to extenuating circumstances >> :-) >> as RW knows i have never liked my stuff being recorded(long story). >> but i like what i'm humbly trying to do now. >> i know its very late in life for one to find their VOICE-aint life a >> bitch. >> s >> >>>Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou Stanosaur? I'd like to publicly ask >>>Stan's permission to post his MP3 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, just >>>because I think LD needs to hear a virtual version of the sheer magnitude >>>and colossal power that his system heaped upon the audience. It was like >>>watching a 1950's B-rated horror/sci-fi flick...people standing in awe >>>with mouths gaping open...children shrieking with terror, scientists >>>frantically fiddling with the instruments to measure this unusual >>>phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of safety, etc, etc....(yes, >>>there really was fog) :) >>>Stan, can you elaborate on your system? Please. >>>K- >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 05:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2FB3BECD; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WUr+KDkbcSIJg3IlPl3byOQMdEz+0qVeX/4QYQ7o2oXgtj5QSDmOYbcbNgA4IwUwkXMhUVSebv24Coddd5Bf47PtgK4dANhYW3x4vrXPshqYuiVVaINjoemqYXRIXl/zV1wT48lprmKiN7kwITQHmBqoE42zuFV3cJwsCv7tQu4=; X-YMail-OSG: LNGOgVUVM1nK31w9whuV7ovF8jbVepL6EexNuUAYRWPBLYC7Rdjlu2z1AWlgIjqdLw-- Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: software newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <457C6C23.3020700@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <757021.54850.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Bill is correct. The Headrush, while a good tool is fairly limited. Which isn't always a bad thing, but sometimes you need a bit more flexibility. The EDP gives you lots of control by making it possible to copy your current loop into a new loop location and overdub on it there. Switch back to your first loop and it's as you left it. Who knows what the Looperlative is up to know but I imagine it's got great functionality in this respect too. Repeater is another one of the high end loopers. Again tons of control by using loops and tracks. and ah yes... MOBIUS. Based on the EDP, it has a lot of it's functionality but it's like having 8 stereo versions of one. It's what I use. It could take the place of your headrush in your effects loop. Prepare to have a kick ass little computer and fast sound card for best results... oh yeah, and a MIDI controller. Mark --- Bill Fox wrote: > Dan Katayama wrote: > > > i'm really starting to see the limitations of > hardware. > > i'm currently using an akai headrush and its > hooked up the effects > > loop on my mixer. > > i can virtually loop anything that is coming into > the mixer. > > but with the headrush, it just keeps layering, and > after each layer > > you lose control over the last layer. > > I also have a Headrush that is fed a signal from an > effect send. > However, I return it's output to a channel. This > allows me to play with > the EQ on the Headrush's channel. By sending THIS > channel to the > Headrush, the EQ effects alter what's looping. Or I > can choose to leave > the effect send off and loop in the normal manner. > > I think your problem may lie more with the > limitations of the Headrush > itself, rather than your problem being a hardware > issue. The Echoplex, > for instance, *will* give you more control over > previous layers than the > Headrush does, iirc. (I've never used the EDP, only > read about it here.) > > > i've read about the software looping, but it > hasn't clicked with me yet. > > can someone point me in the right direction as to > what a typical > > software looping setup will be? > > i only loops live sounds from live instruments, no > midi. > > At you > can learn about the > Mobius looping software. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 09:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1F903BEB3; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: martycrane Subject: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:46:18 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, new member here. 1) Does anyone know of a pedal that does some great time stretching? 2) Has anyone noticed that older versions of the Boss DD-5 pitch shift when you turn the delay rate, while the newer ones time stretch? 3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching? 4)I'm trying to find a delay pedal that has a lot of fun glitches (and hopefully under $200). I'm torn between the giga delay and getting a DD-6. I really like the time stretch, so that might sway my decision if one of them can time stretch well. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 10:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A3853BEB2; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:55:29 EST Subject: Re: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cdf.564c4e0.32ae9321_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:55:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cdf.564c4e0.32ae9321_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think the new jamman pedal can do this to some extent. there are definitely some artifcacts but it doesn't sound too horrible. =-) PJ --part1_cdf.564c4e0.32ae9321_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think the new jamman pedal can do= this to some extent. there are definitely some artifcacts but it doesn't so= und too horrible. =3D-) PJ --part1_cdf.564c4e0.32ae9321_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6F03BECC; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-702297828 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Another newbie Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:36:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:36:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-702297828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed One of the greatest rockabilly guitarists that ever lived, Danny=20 Gatton, used to use an old tape Echoplex for looping LONG BEFORE there=20= was 'looping'. Of course, it's easier with a new looper! The guys on this list know=20 much more about looping hardware than I do. I have an RC50. Don't=20 know if it can do what you wanna do. I think there are cheaper ones=20 that would do fine or better. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 5:45 PM, SR Millis wrote: > Thanks, Richard.=A0 I'm also looking for a unit that would allow me to=20= > get into "traditional" looping.=A0 > > Scott > > Richard Sales wrote: >> slapback! >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote: >> >> > I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an >> > essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do >> > musically---and looping is appealing to me.=A0 I need advice: what=20= >> would >> > you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a >> > guitarist?=A0 Thanks in advance! >> > >> > Scott Millis > > > > Scott R Millis, PhD, MEd, ABPP (CN & RP) > Professor & Director of Research > Department of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation > Wayne State University School of Medicine > 261 Mack Blvd > Detroit, MI 48201 > Email: smillis@med.wayne.edu > Tel: 313-993-8085 > Fax: 313-745-9854 > > ********************************************************* > This electronic message may contain information that is confidential=20= > and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the=20 > individual(s) and entity named as recipients in the message. If you=20 > are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the=20 > sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Do not=20= > deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its=20 > contents or take any action in reliance on the information it=20 > contains. Thank you.= --Apple-Mail-1-702297828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 One of the greatest rockabilly guitarists that ever lived, Danny Gatton, used to use an old tape Echoplex for looping LONG BEFORE there was 'looping'. =20 Of course, it's easier with a new looper! The guys on this list know much more about looping hardware than I do. I have an RC50. Don't know if it can do what you wanna do. I think there are cheaper ones that would do fine or better. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 5:45 PM, SR Millis wrote: Thanks, Richard.=A0 I'm also looking for a unit that would allow me to get into "traditional" looping.=A0=20 Scott Richard Sales < wrote: slapback! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Dec-06, at 3:01 PM, SR Millis wrote: > I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an=20 > essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do=20 > musically---and looping is appealing to me.=A0 I need advice: what would > you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for a=20 > guitarist?=A0 Thanks in advance! > > Scott Millis Scott R Millis, PhD, MEd, ABPP (CN & RP) Professor & Director of Research Department of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Wayne State University School of Medicine 261 Mack Blvd Detroit, MI 48201 Email: smillis@med.wayne.edu Tel: 313-993-8085 Fax: 313-745-9854 ********************************************************* This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information it contains. Thank you.= --Apple-Mail-1-702297828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A16723BECA; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> From: "Carabee Computer Solutions" To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:43:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C71D11.37488EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C71D11.37488EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother you all = with my silly questions. I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've noticed = that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of course, I = have it set for highest quality. I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my guitar = teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little practice = amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback sound. Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around this such = as compensating with some kind of eq? Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very basic. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C71D11.37488EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,
 
I haven't posted in quite some time, = but now I'm=20 back to bother you all with my silly questions.
 
I use a Boomerang, and although it's an = easy unit=20 to use I've noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the = playback. Of=20 course, I have it set for highest quality.
 
I've also noticed this on other looping = devices.=20 For example, my guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has = hooked up to=20 a little practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the = playback=20 sound.
 
Is this common to all looping devices? = Is there any=20 way around this such as compensating with some kind of eq?
 
Thanks, and I apologize because I know = my questions=20 are very basic.
 
Brian
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C71D11.37488EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 570843BECD; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u+3o6FfbRWbSpmZIS+w8RzdYDH05Qt2yNe680yQym/Hsif5O1A5Of7ejnSzFG+Q0dvuvXZoiD+nf9irC+LG5Vz/MnH5h4p0lTVFAhhnbfPTjU4pN4wt/Z8J7rybtOp61g5U5UxUqKIw8UnQdo5ryS9vBYBk9nUSksGJROhSQab0=; X-YMail-OSG: epXFq1sVM1lKVWL3bECaWQAt700NCLgmuA_g6oxTz19mskzqYihZC4sox0ImR3UX7dui1Uw7eprdwKV.d68LE.kLEopPSrPkUj9DXy4cMyWUVajeMXbNosvRu8tT4g_LOdgP5DF6bFyRJF4- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <262350.29853.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1wTB-C.A.6NE.R-XfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:02 +0000 (UTC) --- Doug Wellington wrote: >> my Evolvers for some extra fun. Since they have > such similar > interfaces, it's easy to stay in that mind set... I've heard people complain about the matrix style interface, but I found it fairly easy to get used to and a good way to get a lot of functionality in in a small space. If that's holding you back from getting one, I say push through and you'll end up liking it. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 16:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E8F3BED0; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025f01c71d43$6ce8d100$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_025C_01C71D08.BF598F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025C_01C71D08.BF598F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have never experienced this with any of the looping devices I've owned = and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes, RC-20. The Boomerang tended to = generate a bit of hiss for me, but I was able to minimize by ensure my = levels were relatively hot on the unit. =20 Where are you running the Boomerang in your signal chain? You ran an = A/B test and demonstrated the Boomerang is actually contributing to the = thinning? It could be a signal chain gain thing. Though not stellar, I = recall the specs on that unit (bit rate and frequency range) were enough = to not significantly alter the tone of your instrument. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carabee Computer Solutions=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Sound quality of various loopers Hi folks, I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother you = all with my silly questions. I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've noticed = that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of course, I = have it set for highest quality. I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my = guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little = practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback = sound. Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around this = such as compensating with some kind of eq? Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very basic. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_025C_01C71D08.BF598F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have never experienced this with any = of the=20 looping devices I've owned and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes, = RC-20. =20 The Boomerang tended to generate a bit of hiss for me, but I was able to = minimize by ensure my levels were relatively hot on the unit. =20
 
Where are you running the Boomerang in = your signal=20 chain?  You ran an A/B test and demonstrated the Boomerang is = actually=20 contributing to the thinning?  It could be a signal chain gain = thing. =20 Though not stellar, I recall the specs on that unit (bit rate and=20 frequency range) were enough to not significantly alter the = tone of=20 your instrument.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carabee=20 Computer Solutions
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 8:43=20 AM
Subject: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

Hi folks,
 
I haven't posted in quite some time, = but now I'm=20 back to bother you all with my silly questions.
 
I use a Boomerang, and although it's = an easy unit=20 to use I've noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the = playback. Of=20 course, I have it set for highest quality.
 
I've also noticed this on other = looping devices.=20 For example, my guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has = hooked up=20 to a little practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the = playback=20 sound.
 
Is this common to all looping = devices? Is there=20 any way around this such as compensating with some kind of = eq?
 
Thanks, and I apologize because I = know my=20 questions are very basic.
 
Brian
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_025C_01C71D08.BF598F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 16:58:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1D93BECD; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008801c71d45$a0d1c740$0300a8c0@ws1> From: "Carabee Computer Solutions" To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <025f01c71d43$6ce8d100$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:58:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C71D1B.B256E470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1wfZmC.A.aZG.F5YfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:58:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C71D1B.B256E470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, Thanks for the reply. Here's how I determined the thinning of the sound: Epi Les Paul direct to Boomerang, Boomerang direct to Marshall amp (same = results are the same with my Fender Princeton amp, too). I play, and notice the usual thick, rich tone. I tap "record", and "record" again to end the recording. The loop = immediately starts to play back, and I notice that the tone is very = noticeably thinner (seems more trebly and less bass). To the average ear the difference would be slight, but I'm sure any of = you guys would notice it immediately. I just happened to notice the same = thing during my lesson the other day when my instructor used his RC-50. = Slight difference but noticeable. I remember about a year ago trying Mobius through my computer, and = noticed no difference in sound quality at all, but the playback was = through my Altec Lansing computer speakers. One other thing that I notice about my 'Rang is that right out of the = box, the center switch setting produces an incredible amount of hiss. I = kind of ignored that and just figured it was a 'Rang idiosyncrasy. The = other two settings are nice and quiet, though. Perhaps I need to send it = back to Mike N. for a checkup. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers I have never experienced this with any of the looping devices I've = owned and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes, RC-20. The Boomerang = tended to generate a bit of hiss for me, but I was able to minimize by = ensure my levels were relatively hot on the unit. =20 Where are you running the Boomerang in your signal chain? You ran an = A/B test and demonstrated the Boomerang is actually contributing to the = thinning? It could be a signal chain gain thing. Though not stellar, I = recall the specs on that unit (bit rate and frequency range) were enough = to not significantly alter the tone of your instrument. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carabee Computer Solutions=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Sound quality of various loopers Hi folks, I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother you = all with my silly questions. I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've = noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of = course, I have it set for highest quality. I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my = guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little = practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback = sound. Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around this = such as compensating with some kind of eq? Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very basic. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C71D1B.B256E470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kris,
 
Thanks for the reply. Here's how I = determined the=20 thinning of the sound:
 
Epi Les Paul direct to Boomerang, = Boomerang direct=20 to Marshall amp (same results are the same with my Fender Princeton amp, = too).
 
I play, and notice the usual thick, = rich=20 tone.
 
I tap "record", and "record" again to = end the=20 recording. The loop immediately starts to play back, and I notice = that the=20 tone is very noticeably thinner (seems more trebly and less = bass).
 
To the average ear the difference would = be slight,=20 but I'm sure any of you guys would notice it immediately. I just happened to notice the same thing during my = lesson the=20 other day when my instructor used his RC-50. Slight difference but=20 noticeable.
 
I remember about a year ago trying = Mobius through=20 my computer, and noticed no difference in sound quality at all, but the = playback=20 was through my Altec Lansing computer speakers.
 
One other thing that I notice about my = 'Rang is=20 that right out of the box, the center switch setting produces an = incredible=20 amount of hiss. I kind of ignored that and just figured it was a 'Rang=20 idiosyncrasy. The other two settings are nice and quiet, though. Perhaps = I need=20 to send it back to Mike N. for a checkup.
 
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 11:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

I have never experienced this with = any of the=20 looping devices I've owned and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes,=20 RC-20.  The Boomerang tended to generate a bit of hiss for me, = but I was=20 able to minimize by ensure my levels were relatively hot on the = unit. =20
 
Where are you running the Boomerang = in your=20 signal chain?  You ran an A/B test and demonstrated the Boomerang = is=20 actually contributing to the thinning?  It could be a signal = chain gain=20 thing.  Though not stellar, I recall the specs on that unit (bit = rate and=20 frequency range) were enough to not significantly alter the = tone of=20 your instrument.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carabee=20 Computer Solutions
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, = 2006 8:43=20 AM
Subject: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

Hi folks,
 
I haven't posted in quite some = time, but now=20 I'm back to bother you all with my silly questions.
 
I use a Boomerang, and although = it's an easy=20 unit to use I've noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to = the=20 playback. Of course, I have it set for highest quality.
 
I've also noticed this on other = looping=20 devices. For example, my guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he = just has=20 hooked up to a little practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning = out of=20 the playback sound.
 
Is this common to all looping = devices? Is there=20 any way around this such as compensating with some kind of = eq?
 
Thanks, and I apologize because I = know my=20 questions are very basic.
 
Brian
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C71D1B.B256E470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76813BED9; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:09:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1046265541==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d491a7d9cf0a675320a709086aefd5fc324517ab698a9c3d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1046265541==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! >Hi folks, > >I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother you >all with my silly questions. > >I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've >noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of >course, I have it set for highest quality. > >I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my >guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little >practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback >sound. > >Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around this >such as compensating with some kind of eq? > >Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very basic. > >Brian > > -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1046265541==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Sound quality of various loopers

I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the smoothest, the least digital and the most musical.

Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented!



Hi folks,
 
I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother you all with my silly questions.
 
I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of course, I have it set for highest quality.
 
I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback sound.
 
Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around this such as compensating with some kind of eq?
 
Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very basic.
 
Brian
 
 


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--============_-1046265541==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5193BEE9; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAgffUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACNTwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061211165615.01af6808@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:59:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Another newbie In-Reply-To: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-114A318C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:09:27 +0000 (UTC) >I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an >essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do >musically---and looping is appealing to me. I need advice: what >would you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for >a guitarist? Thanks in advance! > >Scott Millis I'm surprised no one mentioned the Line 6 DL4 yet. Gives you slapback and loops simultaneously, so might be just your thing. andybutler www.andybutler.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 09/12/2006 15:41 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89ADD3BEDC; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e001c71d4a$a2628720$0300a8c0@ws1> From: "Carabee Computer Solutions" To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C71D20.B7DA8960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:34:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C71D20.B7DA8960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Sound quality of various loopersYes, I agree 100%. I catch Phil = Keaggy's show every once in a while and I always remark to myself how = clean and pure his sound is using that old Jamman. You are right...it has a certain analog feel to it. Very clean, pure and = natural. I wish Lexicon would manufacture a new version. I would buy it = in a second. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Zwicky=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these = years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the = smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C71D20.B7DA8960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Sound quality of various loopers
Yes, I agree 100%. I catch Phil = Keaggy's=20 show every once in a while and I always remark to myself how clean = and=20 pure his sound is using that old Jamman.
 
You are right...it has a certain analog = feel to it.=20 Very clean, pure and natural. I wish Lexicon would manufacture a new = version. I=20 would buy it in a second.
 
Brian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Zwicky
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 12:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers


I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these = years I=20 rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the smoothest, the = least=20 digital and the most musical.

Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be=20 reinvented!
------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C71D20.B7DA8960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5228D3BEE4; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:43:17 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) To: martycrane , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c71d4b$e9feefa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) > Hi guys, new member here. > 3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching? Nope. It just adds a glitchy, wobbly noise when you try to change time settings. > > 4)I'm trying to find a delay pedal that has a lot of fun glitches > (and hopefully under $200). I'm torn between the giga delay and > getting a DD-6. I really like the time stretch, so that might sway > my decision if one of them can time stretch well. I have both, and neither can time-stretch an audio signal. The DD-6 does a similar glitchy, wobbly noise when you attempt to change the delay length. In fact, I wouldn't recommend either for fun glitches. The glitches in these two units are just fair-to-middlin'. I'd try to find an old analog pedal for glitcthy fun. And I'd love to hear what others say re. a glitchy pedal for <$200. Good luck! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD1A3BEDF; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02db01c71d4c$df0ba1f0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <025f01c71d43$6ce8d100$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008801c71d45$a0d1c740$0300a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:50:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C71D12.321285C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:50:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C71D12.321285C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You don't have the unit set so that the frequency rate is lower, right? = I recall you could get a longer loop length on the unit, but you = sacrificed quality. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carabee Computer Solutions=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Kris, Thanks for the reply. Here's how I determined the thinning of the = sound: Epi Les Paul direct to Boomerang, Boomerang direct to Marshall amp = (same results are the same with my Fender Princeton amp, too). I play, and notice the usual thick, rich tone. I tap "record", and "record" again to end the recording. The loop = immediately starts to play back, and I notice that the tone is very = noticeably thinner (seems more trebly and less bass). To the average ear the difference would be slight, but I'm sure any of = you guys would notice it immediately. I just happened to notice the same = thing during my lesson the other day when my instructor used his RC-50. = Slight difference but noticeable. I remember about a year ago trying Mobius through my computer, and = noticed no difference in sound quality at all, but the playback was = through my Altec Lansing computer speakers. One other thing that I notice about my 'Rang is that right out of the = box, the center switch setting produces an incredible amount of hiss. I = kind of ignored that and just figured it was a 'Rang idiosyncrasy. The = other two settings are nice and quiet, though. Perhaps I need to send it = back to Mike N. for a checkup. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers I have never experienced this with any of the looping devices I've = owned and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes, RC-20. The Boomerang = tended to generate a bit of hiss for me, but I was able to minimize by = ensure my levels were relatively hot on the unit. =20 Where are you running the Boomerang in your signal chain? You ran = an A/B test and demonstrated the Boomerang is actually contributing to = the thinning? It could be a signal chain gain thing. Though not = stellar, I recall the specs on that unit (bit rate and frequency range) = were enough to not significantly alter the tone of your instrument. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carabee Computer Solutions=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Sound quality of various loopers Hi folks, I haven't posted in quite some time, but now I'm back to bother = you all with my silly questions. I use a Boomerang, and although it's an easy unit to use I've = noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to the playback. Of = course, I have it set for highest quality. I've also noticed this on other looping devices. For example, my = guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he just has hooked up to a little = practice amp, I still notice a slight thinning out of the playback = sound. Is this common to all looping devices? Is there any way around = this such as compensating with some kind of eq? Thanks, and I apologize because I know my questions are very = basic. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C71D12.321285C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You don't have the unit set so that the = frequency=20 rate is lower, right? I recall you could get a longer loop length on the = unit,=20 but you sacrificed quality.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carabee=20 Computer Solutions
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 9:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

Kris,
 
Thanks for the reply. Here's how I = determined the=20 thinning of the sound:
 
Epi Les Paul direct to Boomerang, = Boomerang=20 direct to Marshall amp (same results are the same with my Fender = Princeton=20 amp, too).
 
I play, and notice the usual thick, = rich=20 tone.
 
I tap "record", and "record" again to = end the=20 recording. The loop immediately starts to play back, and I notice = that=20 the tone is very noticeably thinner (seems more trebly and less=20 bass).
 
To the average ear the difference = would be=20 slight, but I'm sure any of you guys would notice it immediately. = I just happened to notice the same thing during = my lesson=20 the other day when my instructor used his RC-50. Slight difference but = noticeable.
 
I remember about a year ago trying = Mobius through=20 my computer, and noticed no difference in sound quality at all, but = the=20 playback was through my Altec Lansing computer speakers.
 
One other thing that I notice about = my 'Rang is=20 that right out of the box, the center switch setting produces an = incredible=20 amount of hiss. I kind of ignored that and just figured it was a 'Rang = idiosyncrasy. The other two settings are nice and quiet, though. = Perhaps I=20 need to send it back to Mike N. for a checkup.
 
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, = 2006 11:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

I have never experienced this with = any of the=20 looping devices I've owned and used: Boomerang, RC-20, Echoplexes,=20 RC-20.  The Boomerang tended to generate a bit of hiss for me, = but I=20 was able to minimize by ensure my levels were relatively hot on the=20 unit. 
 
Where are you running the Boomerang = in your=20 signal chain?  You ran an A/B test and demonstrated the = Boomerang is=20 actually contributing to the thinning?  It could be a signal = chain gain=20 thing.  Though not stellar, I recall the specs on that unit = (bit rate=20 and frequency range) were enough to not significantly = alter the=20 tone of your instrument.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carabee=20 Computer Solutions
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, = 2006 8:43=20 AM
Subject: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

Hi folks,
 
I haven't posted in quite some = time, but now=20 I'm back to bother you all with my silly questions.
 
I use a Boomerang, and although = it's an easy=20 unit to use I've noticed that there is a noticeable "tinniness" to = the=20 playback. Of course, I have it set for highest = quality.
 
I've also noticed this on other = looping=20 devices. For example, my guitar teacher has an RC-50 which he = just=20 has hooked up to a little practice amp, I still notice a slight = thinning=20 out of the playback sound.
 
Is this common to all looping = devices? Is=20 there any way around this such as compensating with some kind of=20 eq?
 
Thanks, and I apologize because I = know my=20 questions are very basic.
 
Brian
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_02D8_01C71D12.321285C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209083BEFE; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fd01c71d4d$b6011500$0300a8c0@ws1> From: "Carabee Computer Solutions" To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <025f01c71d43$6ce8d100$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008801c71d45$a0d1c740$0300a8c0@ws1> <02db01c71d4c$df0ba1f0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:55:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C71D23.AC4878C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C71D23.AC4878C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, it's up at 24 KHz. Just to make sure I did a factory reset and = then checked the settings. I used to think that this difference in sound = quality was just a "feature" with the 'rang, but now I'm not so sure. = Could be just my unit. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers You don't have the unit set so that the frequency rate is lower, = right? I recall you could get a longer loop length on the unit, but you = sacrificed quality. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C71D23.AC4878C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope, it's up at 24 KHz. Just to make = sure I did a=20 factory reset and then checked the settings. I used to think that this=20 difference in sound quality was just a "feature" with the 'rang, but now = I'm not=20 so sure. Could be just my unit.
 
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 12:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

You don't have the unit set so that = the frequency=20 rate is lower, right? I recall you could get a longer loop length on = the unit,=20 but you sacrificed quality.
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C71D23.AC4878C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327DA3BF01; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f701c71d4e$1fc50a50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <025f01c71d43$6ce8d100$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008801c71d45$a0d1c740$0300a8c0@ws1> <02db01c71d4c$df0ba1f0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c71d4d$b6011500$0300a8c0@ws1> Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:59:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F4_01C71D13.72B1D670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:59:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F4_01C71D13.72B1D670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You gotta love those features.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carabee Computer Solutions=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Nope, it's up at 24 KHz. Just to make sure I did a factory reset and = then checked the settings. I used to think that this difference in sound = quality was just a "feature" with the 'rang, but now I'm not so sure. = Could be just my unit. Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers You don't have the unit set so that the frequency rate is lower, = right? I recall you could get a longer loop length on the unit, but you = sacrificed quality. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_02F4_01C71D13.72B1D670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You gotta love those = features....
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carabee=20 Computer Solutions
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 = 10:55=20 AM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

Nope, it's up at 24 KHz. Just to make = sure I did=20 a factory reset and then checked the settings. I used to think that = this=20 difference in sound quality was just a "feature" with the 'rang, but = now I'm=20 not so sure. Could be just my unit.
 
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 11, = 2006 12:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of = various=20 loopers

You don't have the unit set so that = the=20 frequency rate is lower, right? I recall you could get a longer loop = length=20 on the unit, but you sacrificed quality.
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_02F4_01C71D13.72B1D670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1FEF3BF04; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e001c71d4a$a2628720$0300a8c0@ws1> References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <00e001c71d4a$a2628720$0300a8c0@ws1> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:54:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1046262349==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d491a7d9cf0a675371ef40598df40feb0c56295d7e04f5b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <22_evB.A.yNB.20ZfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:02:31 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1046262349==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Well, they are available second hand (I've even got a fully updated one for sale), and Bob Sellon has completely re-worked the operating system to provide 4 tracks of looping each with pan and level control. >Yes, I agree 100%. I catch Phil Keaggy's show every once in a while >and I always remark to myself how clean and pure his sound is using >that old Jamman. > >You are right...it has a certain analog feel to it. Very clean, pure >and natural. I wish Lexicon would manufacture a new version. I would >buy it in a second. > >Brian > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Charles Zwicky >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:09 PM >Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers > > >I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these >years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the >smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. > >Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1046262349==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Sound quality of various loopers

Well, they are available second hand (I've even got a fully updated one for sale), and Bob Sellon has completely re-worked the operating system to provide 4 tracks of looping each with pan and level control.


Yes, I agree 100%. I catch Phil Keaggy's show every once in a while and I always remark to myself how clean and pure his sound is using that old Jamman.
 
You are right...it has a certain analog feel to it. Very clean, pure and natural. I wish Lexicon would manufacture a new version. I would buy it in a second.
 
Brian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Zwicky
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers


I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the smoothest, the least digital and the most musical.

Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented!


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http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1046262349==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37EC53BF0D; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061211181911.76108.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pYsB+skhiAEQiidt8n7XV6HrLBjTP7Kt6rStHwn7ME8GW7DlKxa7T3EYFH7uMKZmUjDJhKMrZHucHvjbhMV9r4299iZ/pDZHlbzWEI5/HacAOqfdlU8+w8sZR1TsmsdNxFXk+z7/6KYRaBdLzsWWQ8c+WxKDHcCs5Ljju2IiVPM=; X-YMail-OSG: TjBA1jsVM1lv68AJC5eZA8JoM6lGVsvOF.7WgBIN4OSulMonHzsI0bqOLZt17pi0AJAJY7t2JcgeXKBKBtdMW0d_2BTcC.9WY8dq5KULJ_SxRaKN17rk2A-- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c71d4b$e9feefa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:19:13 +0000 (UTC) After I graduated from a cheap Ibanez analog delay I got me one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-PDS-8000-Echo-Plus-8-Second-Delay-Sample-Loops_W0QQitemZ280058305431QQihZ018QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Now there's some fun in a box. Funny, I got mine used from my sister's boyfriend cir 1990 for $100. --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > > Hi guys, new member here. > > 3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching? > Nope. It just adds a glitchy, wobbly noise when you > try to change time > settings. > > > > 4)I'm trying to find a delay pedal that has a lot > of fun glitches > > (and hopefully under $200). I'm torn between the > giga delay and > > getting a DD-6. I really like the time stretch, > so that might sway > > my decision if one of them can time stretch well. > I have both, and neither can time-stretch an audio > signal. The DD-6 does a > similar glitchy, wobbly noise when you attempt to > change the delay length. > In fact, I wouldn't recommend either for fun > glitches. The glitches in these > two units are just fair-to-middlin'. I'd try to find > an old analog pedal for > glitcthy fun. And I'd love to hear what others say > re. a glitchy pedal for > <$200. Good luck! > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 19:01:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D05563BEE0; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAG86fUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNTwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061211184051.01b80968@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:50:18 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers In-Reply-To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24177D27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:01:57 +0000 (UTC) At 17:09 11/12/2006, you wrote: >I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these >years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the >smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. > >Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! With it's 32kHz sample frequency, the JamMan lacks some of the top end of the audio spectrum. I would concur that is does sound great though, especially for looping bass guitar. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 20:20:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB08A3BEDD; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: DFX-94 (was Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay)) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:20:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <002e01c71d4b$e9feefa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AccdS3qZuYS9YdtHSIqY0W/rtX4KswAFgIAg Message-Id: <20061211202010.IETY29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:20:12 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290059965913 These used to be Matt Davignon's workhorses--don't know if he still uses them or not. Gary -----Original Message----- 3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 21:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFB73BECF; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: UaDa75JLtgflGXgtddgOdmGLAtCER6mAh3VLt9TrFDvZiFCymEc3lA== X-Originating-IP: [69.222.12.92] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aurlite@netzero.net" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:46:38 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ninjam X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061211.134658.3483.1661911@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:210338737 X-MAIL-INFO:29eac7936b178e6bc70ba3c7a38ece37634aca0fcbab1acbabcbcaabcb6a933ade936b63176fcaea8bceaf9f8a5f0f6aaeceeb1b9f1b8e0f1b8e1bb38e1b6f67ce576702d7bf9fb32b03 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.152|webmail12.lax.untd.com|webmail12.lax.untd.com|aurlite@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:47:51 +0000 (UTC) hay everyone, need some advice about getting started with ninjam. downloaded the console and client for osx. don't know how to set up registering for a name and pass word. if you can help, send it my way. also love to set up a jam or two with any loopers interested. thanks jim www.whiterobotrecords.com mrbotty@whiterobotrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 22:11:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DBB83BEF0; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Another newbie Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:11:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061211165615.01af6808@tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <_9HESB.A.4cE.kedfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely without a doubt, the Line 6. It does convincing echoplex simulations as well. And the swell delay program takes the original slow gear effect and adds lush delay to it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another newbie >I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback echo is an >essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm looking to expand what I do >musically---and looping is appealing to me. I need advice: what >would you recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or station for >a guitarist? Thanks in advance! > >Scott Millis I'm surprised no one mentioned the Line 6 DL4 yet. Gives you slapback and loops simultaneously, so might be just your thing. andybutler www.andybutler.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 09/12/2006 15:41 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 23:01:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B38023BED5; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 446068736 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: semi-OT: adrenalinn (was m-audio's Black box) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:00:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C71D78.3733A756" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C71D78.3733A756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've heard people complain about the matrix style interface......<< I think I read somewhere that dave &/or roger was most insistent on keeping the hardware count down so that the maximum number of folks out there could get hold of this box & play with it. anyway, I don't have a problem with the matrix, per se, although some of the acronyms that pop up in the little display are a little hard to remember, & the real-estate for a crib-sheet ran out with the v2.... & so on that basis, I would also recommend the adrenalinn to anyone who knows the other "rave & dodger" stuff. no, my beef with them (dave smith, remember, had quite a bit to do with defining midi) is that the midi remote control of the unit is somewhat limited. in fact, if it happens to receive multiple CCs on the same channel, they all do the same thing. also, given that roger is a keen guitarist but is most famous for a playable sampler, I can't get my head around the fact that the adrenalinn doesn't have an expression pedal socket. my guess is that h/w dev is stalled now that the insides of it have been ported into the m-audio black box. but I should ask the proper forum, I s'pose. roger lurks there, I'm told..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I've heard people complain about the matrix style= interface......<<

I think I read somewhere that dave &/or roger was mos= t insistent on keeping the hardware count down so that the maximum number o= f folks out there could get hold of this box & play with it.

anyway, I don't have a problem with the matrix, per se, a= lthough some of the acronyms that pop up in the little display are a little= hard to remember, & the real-estate for a crib-sheet ran out with the = v2.... & so on that basis, I would also recommend the adrenalinn to any= one who knows the other "rave & dodger" stuff.

no, my beef with them (dave smith, remember, had quite a = bit to do with defining midi) is that the midi remote control of the unit i= s somewhat limited. in fact, if it happens to receive multiple CCs on the s= ame channel, they all do the same thing. also, given that roger is a keen g= uitarist but is most famous for a playable sampler, I can't get my head aro= und the fact that the adrenalinn doesn't have an expression pedal socket.

my guess is that h/w dev is stalled now that the insides = of it have been ported into the m-audio black box.
but I should ask the proper forum, I s'pose. roger lurks= there, I'm told.....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C71D78.3733A756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 00:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C5BF3BED0; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061211184051.01b80968@tiscali.co.uk> References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <7.0.0.16.0.20061211184051.01b80968@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:00:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d491a7d9cf0a6753d726d5f87796d17730febb85a5f48815350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Er, OK, so you say that the 1/3 octave at the top of the spectrum is the important one? What insrument do you play? Dog Whistle? ;^) >At 17:09 11/12/2006, you wrote: >>I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these >>years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the >>smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. >> >>Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! > >With it's 32kHz sample frequency, the JamMan lacks some of the top >end of the audio spectrum. > >I would concur that is does sound great though, especially for >looping bass guitar. > >andy butler -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 07:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6623BEB3; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kF8H818F+1ijPnsvVfZA5k42Sskd1a+ff5b7Kldpp3y+g+6PNpFDt4L3W75kWAUb+HUQVnkNpq+SokBunwpEf+Z3WDEgZrpBEHuamFwetcZdX6Ld2fOunCB4qL1OdbsHTld+dPjy9i9wj7r4X44vgciOb2rg+rxaybONFgv2hH4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:20:17 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DFX-94 (was Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_137681_32603484.1165908017808" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_137681_32603484.1165908017808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For about 5 years, I used to use just two of these with a cd player and a turntable for live sets. Now, they're still a major part of my drum machine rig. Two of them in serial make up one of my looping chains. They're limited to 4 seconds max, the fidelity isn't all the great, and you can't choose the start and end points. (That depends on where you have the time dial set.) But they do let you bend pitch and time together, as if it's a tape loop. Two of them together make a great way to quickly build ambient beds. That's currently a good price. Last time I bought one on ebay, it was about $175. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Gary Lehmann was like: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290059965913 > These used to be Matt Davignon's workhorses--don't know if he still uses > them or not. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > 3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching? > ------=_Part_137681_32603484.1165908017808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
For about 5 years, I used to use just two of these with a cd player and a turntable for live sets.

Now, they're still a major part of my drum machine rig. Two of them in serial make up one of my looping chains.

They're limited to 4 seconds max, the fidelity isn't all the great, and you can't choose the start and end points. (That depends on where you have the time dial set.) But they do let you bend pitch and time together, as if it's a tape loop. Two of them together make a great way to quickly build ambient beds.

That's currently a good price. Last time I bought one on ebay, it was about $175.

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

 

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> was like:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290059965913
These used to be Matt Davignon's workhorses--don't know if he still uses
them or not.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
3)Can the giga-delay do any time stretching?

------=_Part_137681_32603484.1165908017808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 08:25:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796653BEC7; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKL2fUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNVAEBAQgOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061212080237.01ac20a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:25:27 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Sound quality of various loopers In-Reply-To: References: <263069.21902.qm@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c71d3b$2223dc80$0300a8c0@ws1> <7.0.0.16.0.20061211184051.01b80968@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-438E6D05 Resent-Message-ID: <0wiCU.A.YSE.2dmfFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:25:26 +0000 (UTC) At 00:00 12/12/2006, you wrote: >Er, OK, so you say that the 1/3 octave at the top of the spectrum is >the important one? no, I said I liked the sound of the JamMan ....didn't I ? >What insrument do you play? Dog Whistle? ;^) generally I use electric guitar, and wouldn't mind the jamMan hf loss, but for miking percussion ( for instance ) it's quite noticeable. The theory that they teach in college says that the JamMan can sample up to 16kHz, and that's the limit of my hearing anyway, but Lexicon knew that they could get a smoother sound by putting their filters a little lower in the audio spectrum, so there's some audible hf loss. ...but the quality within that frequency range is superb. Very solid bass end. andy butler >>At 17:09 11/12/2006, you wrote: >>>I've used nearly every looper available, and even after all these >>>years I rank the Lexicon Jamman at the top. It just sounds the >>>smoothest, the least digital and the most musical. >>> >>>Sometimes the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented! >> >>With it's 32kHz sample frequency, the JamMan lacks some of the top >>end of the audio spectrum. >> >>I would concur that is does sound great though, especially for >>looping bass guitar. >> >>andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 21:49:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060C53BED0; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061212214922.62194.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ql9UG/AR+cF4feMmT4mRxXnRg7oAcJk+V2nUkn4xh7HlwvtQl8WenMNaPHlq8yP4eOfanA5DN2xEahjUXVQvsHZwutJl1+cHdHlgSp2MmUNbnVAIxdH4idwCha7foTlj2RTOa6SprFBnpw08VXqR0gSNmuNZgDmW4WcsqOPjgQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: nzroUKcVM1l1WTc4WzhAHST_57rGkbfIvmWPZO92qLFKp3q.jWLeqlN5ZYANyYZ2C4CFB1P2NAEq74lJ05L9RbBBPWcyfz4ryDkCgQ0OemzJ7Xs4Ew_9eQ-- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:49:23 +0000 (UTC) I remember the EH-16 doing a good job if memory serves. Anyone with the 2880 have experience with time stretching on it? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 21:53:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098FD3BEB9; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061212214922.62194.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061212214922.62194.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:53:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Time Stretch pedal (DD-5, Giga-Delay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b394dbeea6f687a55487ed922123ead2af78f7fbf31ba7be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:53:19 +0000 (UTC) The 2880 does not do time stretching. I was told that the inventor didn't think it sounded very good. THe 16 second delay can create some really magical atmospheres with it's time stretching artfacts. >I remember the EH-16 doing a good job if memory >serves. Anyone with the 2880 have experience with >time stretching on it? > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Want to start your own business? >Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 05:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F055E3BEC5; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:58:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_050B_01C71E41.07140AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:58:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01C71E41.07140AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html=20 This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 = hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for = whom I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. =20 I will now finish mastering the Sunday performance MP3s for BOB AMSTADT, = PATRICK CRESS, PUSHING AIR, ROBERT EDGAR & ROGER WINKELMAN, JOHN HANES, = CHRIS COHN, DANIEL ROBBINS, BARRY CLEVELAND, LARRY the 'O', MARK = HAMBURG, DARIN SHAFFER, NIHIL COMMUNICATION, DARK MUSE, GARY REGINA, MIR = - O, GOH NAKAMURA, BILL WALKER, and MANDOMAN. ...maybe another week or two, depending on my energy level.=20 Peter Cor http://www.box.net/public/static/fdbfotevi0.mp3 Warren Sirota Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/5n64xhn8x2.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/6obsr73iyz.mp3 Lumper Splitter http://www.box.net/public/static/jauf6nzmtv.mp3 Wayne Jackson Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/omxs275no3.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/bom54m3h39.mp3 Daniel Vee Lewis Part I http://www.box.net/public/static/uykmisgtld.mp3 Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/jlbxp8q59s.mp3 Part III http://www.box.net/public/static/m7zoxj8tp6.mp3 Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/fnrdj0mfm2.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01C71E41.07140AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Below are the newest additions to the = Y2K6 MP3=20 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com= /mp3.html=20
 
This addition completes almost all = of the=20 Saturday performances (9.5 hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn = and=20 Daniel Thomas, for whom I am waiting to get permission to post their = MP3s. =20
 
I will now finish mastering the Sunday = performance=20 MP3s for BOB AMSTADT, PATRICK CRESS, = PUSHING AIR, ROBERT EDGAR &=20 ROGER WINKELMAN, JOHN HANES, = CHRIS COHN, DANIEL ROBBINS,=20 BARRY CLEVELAND, LARRY the =91O=92, MARK = HAMBURG, DARIN SHAFFER, NIHIL=20 COMMUNICATION, DARK MUSE, = GARY REGINA, MIR - O, = GOH NAKAMURA, BILL WALKER, and = MANDOMAN.
 
...maybe another week or two, depending = on my=20 energy level.

Peter Cor
http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fdbfotevi0.mp3
Warren = Sirota
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/5n64xhn8x2.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/6obsr73iyz.mp3
<= BR>
Lumper = Splitter
http://www.box.net/public/static/jauf6nzmtv.mp3
<= BR>
Wayne = Jackson
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/omxs275no3.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/bom54m3h39.mp3
 
Daniel Vee = Lewis
Part I http://www.box.net/public/static/uykmisgtld.mp3
Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/jlbxp8q59s.mp3
Part III http://www.box.net/public/static/m7zoxj8tp6.mp3
Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/fnrdj0mfm2.mp3

****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@kri= spenhartung.com=20 / 1.208.724.5603
Discography -=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 10:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1053BEB9; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:46:22 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <17944757.1165612001664.JavaMail.root@web21> Message-ID: <20061213104622.7060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17944757.1165612001664.JavaMail.root@web21> Subject: Re: Looping device comparison chart updated with RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per. :-) really good. On the RC-50 for MULTIPLY, it is pretty much the same as with FEEDBACK: You need to bridge SubOuts with AuxIns. Then you can do such things (not necessarily a mixer required). Best regards Buzap > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 10:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6823BEB6; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UK59wa2TvzTEmeVDZCfXLKL7VJJ4mwm3Z1mvQmmoxI4q8ZqDZHrVZhKigRWEjPWlD4G5g/CXPnyIiZOrYQbXOLhZg2NdWL96QsX9BKNOTUY/7Cxsp3urB/7BcC4jKEcclItVVZCoP5B9qp8KEMzKHehJMcIvA3WJETJRtFZUHs0= In-Reply-To: <20061213104622.7060@gmx.net> References: <17944757.1165612001664.JavaMail.root@web21> <20061213104622.7060@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <152C421E-973D-434D-8779-4D24FF488CB5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping device comparison chart updated with RC-50 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:57:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Buzap! ;-) I updated the text like you suggested. Thank =20 you! Per On 13 dec 2006, at 11.46, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Thanks, Per. :-) > really good. > > On the RC-50 for MULTIPLY, it is pretty much the same as with =20 > FEEDBACK: > You need to bridge SubOuts with AuxIns. Then you can do such things =20= > (not necessarily a mixer required). > > Best regards > Buzap > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> On Aug 16, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>>> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > --=20 > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 21:42:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 908843BEDA; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Ashra Tempel interview Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:41:51 +0100 Message-ID: <007501c71eff$812667a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acce/3/dLTksNVO3SeixOph34h1uhw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Vintage German loop guitarist Manuel G=F6ttsching in a new interview (in German) http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/12/12/a0176.1/text and something about his most famous piece E2-E4 http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/12/12/a0180.1/text -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From service@bankofamerica.com Wed Dec 13 22:50:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 6923 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:50:12 UTC Received: from mail.bridgepower.com (mail.bridgepower.com [65.254.45.229]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D1713BEC5 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5596 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 20:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO User) (centluth@210.188.218.85) by mail.bridgepower.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 20:25:18 -0000 From: "Bank of America" Subject: Dear Bank of America customer, Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:22:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20061213225001.0D1713BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 00:07:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B0A53BED8; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:05:33 EST Subject: Fwd: Velvet Underground Ebay Link To: spagyric@earthlink.net, profcantaloupe@yahoo.com, soundmama@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, george@m-audio.com, GRXLR8@aol.com, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net Cc: moonmoth@netzero.net, richard_derrick@msn.com, richard-d@webtv.net, ngci@adelphia.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, hammer@pocketmail.com, richiehass@dslextreme.com, richie@richiehass.com, heustis@comcast.net, heustis@ca.rr.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, backbiter@sbcglobal.net, VMARTINE@healthcarepartners.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, msolomon@zebra.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, sachis2112@yahoo.com, phantomairship@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bc6.82c8e0b.32b1ef4d_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <08qtiD.A.pSB.zWJgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:07:15 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bc6.82c8e0b.32b1ef4d_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1166054733" -------------------------------1166054733 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting bit of history possibly uncovered. -------------------------------1166054733 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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-------------------------------1166054733-- --part1_bc6.82c8e0b.32b1ef4d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.68]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILINYH14-2c04580829f15b; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:46:12 -0500 Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.89]) by rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYH44-2c04580829f15b; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:45:51 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.36]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:40:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:40:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.250.200 by by115fd.bay115.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:40:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.170.6.2] X-Originating-Email: [djarock@hotmail.com] X-Sender: djarock@hotmail.com From: "alex R." To: killymcgee@sbcglobal.net, ryman1960@aol.com Cc: djarock@gmail.com Subject: Velvet Underground Ebay Link Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:40:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 22:40:56.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0AC2DD0:01C71F07] X-AOL-IP: 65.54.246.89 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Here is the Ebay link for the Velvet Underground record. Alex http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300054910309&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline --part1_bc6.82c8e0b.32b1ef4d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 01:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B493B3BED2; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <082501c71f20$010aad80$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "A Night of Spontaneous Compositions" @ Visual Arts Collective - January 13 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:34:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29866-1166060074-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:34:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29866-1166060074-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29866-1166060074-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29866-1166060074-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In case anyone is lurking around Boise, Idaho in January...Kaiser and I = are at it again with our laptops and unusual = instruments/effects....except that I'm playing the 6-string mandolin = now. Kris Performing at the Visual Arts Collective... "A Night of Spontaneous Compositions: Jeff Kaiser, Craig Green, & = Krispen Hartung" Date: January 13th (Saturday) Time: Doors @ 8:30pm, Showtime @ 9pm Cost: $10 at the door Where: Visual Arts Collective, 1419 Grove Street, Boise, ID, = 208-424-8297 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29866-1166060074-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In case anyone is lurking around Boise, = Idaho in=20 January...Kaiser and I are at it again with our laptops and unusual=20 instruments/effects....except that I'm playing the 6-string mandolin=20 now.
 
Kris
Performing at the Visual Arts=20 Collective...

"A Night of Spontaneous = Compositions: Jeff=20 Kaiser, Craig Green, & Krispen = Hartung"

Date: January 13th (Saturday)
Time: Doors @ 8:30pm, Showtime @=20 9pm
Cost: $10 at the door
Where: Visual = Arts=20 Collective, 1419 Grove Street, Boise, ID,=20 208-424-8297
 

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ND3QkFEVM1k_E4bIEtWMvijUgQzgrpfTkg9GGJq236uo5IljmnR9YuMD8Y5c0MHFjw-- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: stanosaur/krispen thanks/black box thanx.../time stretch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1476659135-1166061129=:37921" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <851522.37921.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1476659135-1166061129=:37921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit listening to the stanosaur mp3 from the loopfest--some great sounds. sounds gnarly-bassy even on my computers tiny speaker (guess that would be the sunn amp!) thanks to krispen for putting those up, i'll have to listen to more when i have time! also thanx to those who responded to my black box inquiry, i'm still debating some gear, but appreciate when people speak up about their gear and are honest w/ goods/bads... time-stretch options-i don't have a wealth of knowledge about this, but a few things that i've used that did the trick for me: -my dod d-12 (which i'm selling b/c i'm moving away from rack)-i thought it did a decent short to long or long to short glitchy fun in the 12 sec delay part...i loved the david torn vid where he did it w/ his lexicon pcm42, and the dod isn't the same sound (more budget) but it was close enough to be similar for me..... -my digitech rp100 had 2 sec of digital delay that i would manipulate, it was really more electronic glitchy, but fun to do (and i did it in excess a lot) -digitech x-series delay-has 4 sec of delay-works pretty well in digitial mode, not perfect, the analog delay does a nice warp, but always ended / sounded the same after awhile. -my ibanez de-7 delay pedal does a nice warp, it only has 2.6 sec of delay, and the bummer thing is it doesn't really go to 99% repeat, usually only about 10 repeats, but i would go short to long or long to short, and it has a nice warp/glitch to it (speed up, warpy slow down), and i usually just sampled that early on, if you wait too long usually lost it... -boss sp202-has the time/pitch stretch option, i used it a bit, but found it hard/impossible to to catch things fast (usually had to delete sample, then sample new sound, etc) so hard for catching imprompto things, but it worked.... -old gemini 1224 sampler had a pitch slider, if you sampled something w/ it all the way to left you could speed it up decent enough (sort of chipmonk sound) or if it was all the way to right you could slow it down for deep warble...i think it was made to be kept in center and i found that in center the amt of shift high or low wasn't so much.... -boss dd-20-if you set the delay at certain time and use the slow adjusting of time you can get a warble, the problem is it takes forever to move the time a sec w/ the ms settings, if you use the fast time movement option (push button down and twist) it gives a strange warble sound, which i'm not sure is a true time stretch, but its an interesting sound and i've been messing w/ it a lot in these last 2 weeks.... those are my limited experiences and most of the stuff i use is on the budget end.... s--- --------------------------------- Have a burning question? 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listening to the stanosaur mp3 from the loopfest--some great sounds. sounds gnarly-bassy even on my computers tiny speaker (guess that would be the sunn amp!)
 
thanks to krispen for putting those up, i'll have to listen to more when i have time!
 
also thanx to those who responded to my black box inquiry, i'm still debating some gear, but appreciate when people speak up about their gear and are honest w/ goods/bads...
 
time-stretch options-i don't have a wealth of knowledge about this, but a few things that i've used that did the trick for me:
-my dod d-12 (which i'm selling b/c i'm moving away from rack)-i thought it did a decent short to long or long to short glitchy fun in the 12 sec delay part...i loved the david torn vid where he did it w/ his lexicon pcm42, and the dod isn't the same sound (more budget) but it was close enough to be similar for me.....
-my digitech rp100 had 2 sec of digital delay that i would manipulate, it was really more electronic glitchy, but fun to do (and i did it in excess a lot)
-digitech x-series delay-has 4 sec of delay-works pretty well in digitial mode, not perfect, the analog delay does a nice warp, but always ended / sounded the same after awhile.
-my ibanez de-7 delay pedal does a nice warp, it only has 2.6 sec of delay, and the bummer thing is it doesn't really go to 99% repeat, usually only about 10 repeats, but i would go short to long or long to short, and it has a nice warp/glitch to it (speed up, warpy slow down), and i usually just sampled that early on, if you wait too long usually lost it...
-boss sp202-has the time/pitch stretch option, i used it a bit, but found it hard/impossible to to catch things fast (usually had to delete sample, then sample new sound, etc) so hard for catching imprompto things, but it worked....
-old gemini 1224 sampler had a pitch slider, if you sampled something w/ it all the way to left you could speed it up decent enough (sort of chipmonk sound) or if it was all the way to right you could slow it down for deep warble...i think it was made to be kept in center and i found that in center the amt of shift high or low wasn't so much....
-boss dd-20-if you set the delay at certain time and use the slow adjusting of time you can get a warble, the problem is it takes forever to move the time a sec w/ the ms settings, if you use the fast time movement option (push button down and twist) it gives a strange warble sound, which i'm not sure is a true time stretch, but its an interesting sound and i've been messing w/ it a lot in these last 2 weeks....
those are my limited experiences and most of the stuff i use is on the budget end....
s---

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Answers and get answers from real people who know. --0-1476659135-1166061129=:37921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 02:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665663BEE8; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <082501c71f20$010aad80$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <082501c71f20$010aad80$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-923977507 Message-Id: <4ac968cdd9cba4d80fd28b19f38b54df@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: "A Night of Spontaneous Compositions" @ Visual Arts Collective - January 13 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:10:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-14_01:2006-12-13,2006-12-13,2006-12-13 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612130080 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:11:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-923977507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris; Just picked up a "Michael Kelly Octave Mando Plus". Haven't put it to =20= "loop" use yet but was wondering what you're doing for "electrifying" =20= your mando. Also, have you experimented with altered tunings and if so =20= any idea where to find a chart detailing string guages/ tensions/ =20 tunings? Thanks. - Paul http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/ On Dec 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > In case anyone is lurking around Boise, Idaho in January...Kaiser and =20= > I are at it again with our laptops and unusual =20 > instruments/effects....except that I'm playing the 6-string mandolin =20= > now. > =A0 > Kris > Performing at the Visual Arts Collective... > > "A Night of Spontaneous Compositions: Jeff Kaiser, Craig Green, & =20 > Krispen Hartung" > > Date: January 13th (Saturday) > Time: Doors @ 8:30pm, Showtime @ 9pm > Cost: $10 at the door > Where: Visual Arts Collective, 1419 Grove Street, Boise, ID, =20 > 208-424-8297 > =A0 > > = ***********************************************************************=20= > *** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: =20 > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20= --Apple-Mail-1-923977507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris; Just picked up a "Michael Kelly Octave Mando Plus". Haven't put it to "loop" use yet but was wondering what you're doing for "electrifying" your mando. Also, have you experimented with altered tunings and if so any idea where to find a chart detailing string guages/ tensions/ tunings?=20 Thanks. - Paul http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/ On Dec 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialIn case anyone is lurking around Boise, Idaho in January...Kaiser and I are at it again with our laptops and unusual instruments/effects....except that I'm playing the 6-string mandolin now. =A0 ArialKris ArialPerforming at the Visual Arts Collective... Arial"A Night of Spontaneous Compositions: Jeff Kaiser, Craig Green, & Krispen = Hartung" Date: January 13th (Saturday) Time: Doors @ 8:30pm, Showtime @ 9pm Cost: $10 at the door = ArialWhereArial: Visual Arts Collective, 1419 Grove Street, Boise, ID, 208-424-8297 =A0 < = Arial*********************************= ***************************************** ArialKrispen = Hartung= = Arial0000,0000,EEEEwww.krispenhartung.com= / = 0000,0000,EEEEwww.mys= pace.com/krispenhartung = ArialPerformanc= e Calendar: = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://= www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung = Arial0000,0000,EEEEinfo@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 = = ArialDiscograph= y - = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://= www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ArialCD Baby Discography: = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://= cdbaby.com/all/khartungArial = = --Apple-Mail-1-923977507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 02:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DF1B3BEDB; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061214022659.51529.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rn3LzdeNXK0rG4VRMrPn2sf7/TOUG6+ICR3grRDMlnMJlXiU7RNcxQnhwER2F28u9hwSRo2e8SJwk2jQGx1QUPwVrdv2E/8nFcbEAu5wmfKOWBDVgpXmNe+fvru4F+2uV2l/0YOjmIYXT9eJO6Z/yq3eSaP2EOyTOG3cdAMXmx4=; X-YMail-OSG: Iw8cirwVM1mLqpR3y6r2j.blpS0foM_qwuNc3xlrax1DnDMWHPLipEduDaKVgH7bw.qTfuBh6zMgPB11GWWEioUec20avORgvheoze3zzdQz99ak4PAtW1WTkHiJMCIBi0jBvg46rzoQwq_cFyP2d0pH2eUgBPlKSZpApBc6ESh9a7_P1mWGzTRvq25d Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: digitech rp350-5 sec of delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061214000716.7F37F3BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2137193292-1166063219=:50890" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8HShYB.A.lrH.0ZLgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:27:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-2137193292-1166063219=:50890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i briefly owned this week the new digitech rp350. it does have 5 sec of delay and can loop and you can manipulate it short to long, long to short. it is digital sounding, but usable. i mainly didn't like it b/c i realize that it's made for being on the ground w/ the expression pedal, and i like to keep things on my studio desk for tweaking....i won't go into all the things i didn't like, but basically it didn't sound like much of an improvement over my old rp100. the one thing i noticed is that the knobs aren't free spinning like on my old rp100, they have notches so there is a click to it (they feel sturdier), and when i was manipulating the time it has that click click click sound, but it did work. i guess i didn't really love the 30 preset tone and 30 preset effect option, doesn't appear that you can just make your own presets, have to use one of those as a start, which i thought was odd, b/c i was trying to figure out how to get to delay in a preset w/ no delay.....but i guess they are trying to compete w/ the dial up a sound that PODS have. and since it has usb connection and they have some computer options i think there is more tweaking options available when you're connected to a computer, which doesn't interest me..... again, if you're a tube tone snob, i don't think the digital models will impress you, they sounded ok, just wasn't blown away. and i'm not sure if buying one for the 5 sec of delay is the best option, since it's more of a multi-effects/digital model option box, but another option that's out. one of the reasons i tested it was in the early ads, the new rp150 didn't say it had 5 sec of delay, but the new ads do say that, so that must have been an early error in ads. so the rp250 and rp150 have the 5 sec of delay also....i was going to do a harmony-central review, but decided since i didn't have much nice to say, to just save it..... s--- --------------------------------- Any questions? 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i briefly owned this week the new digitech rp350.
it does have 5 sec of delay and can loop and you can manipulate it short to long, long to short. it is digital sounding, but usable.
 
i mainly didn't like it b/c i realize that it's made for being on the ground w/ the expression pedal, and i like to keep things on my studio desk for tweaking....i won't go into all the things i didn't like, but basically it didn't sound like much of an improvement over my old rp100. the one thing i noticed is that the knobs aren't free spinning like on my old rp100, they have notches so there is a click to it (they feel sturdier), and when i was manipulating the time it has that click click click sound, but it did work.
i guess i didn't really love the 30 preset tone and 30 preset effect option, doesn't appear that you can just make your own presets, have to use one of those as a start, which i thought was odd, b/c i was trying to figure out how to get to delay in a preset w/ no delay.....but i guess they are trying to compete w/ the dial up a sound that PODS have. and since it has usb connection and they have some computer options i think there is more tweaking options available when you're connected to a computer, which doesn't interest me.....
again, if you're a tube tone snob, i don't think the digital models will impress you, they sounded ok, just wasn't blown away. and i'm not sure if buying one for the 5 sec of delay is the best option, since it's more of a multi-effects/digital model option box, but another option that's out. one of the reasons i tested it was in the early ads, the new rp150 didn't say it had 5 sec of delay, but the new ads do say that, so that must have been an early error in ads. so the rp250 and rp150 have the 5 sec of delay also....i was going to do a harmony-central review, but decided since i didn't have much nice to say, to just save it.....
s---
 
 

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --0-2137193292-1166063219=:50890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 02:33:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB473BEE6; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <085a01c71f28$2f207e40$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <082501c71f20$010aad80$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ac968cdd9cba4d80fd28b19f38b54df@mac.com> Subject: Re: "A Night of Spontaneous Compositions" @ Visual Arts Collective - January 13 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:33:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0857_01C71EED.819C3910" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:33:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0857_01C71EED.819C3910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a nice looking mando, Paul...F-Style...pricey too! As for the = cheapy I am playing by Gold Tone, it's the only single-string, 6-string = Mandolin I could find on the market without having one made. Gibson used = to make one, but discontinued it. Relative to how the traditional = mandolin is tuned (in fifths), I suppose mine is tuned in an "altered" = way, as it is tuned exactly like a guitar out of the box.That is why it = was so easy for me to pickup and play. Heck, it's basically a miniature = jazz hollow-body guitar...except I tune it down to C rather than = starting at E. It loosens up the strings a bit. But I may try some = altered tunings, like tuning it in tri-tones. That ought to force me to = play outside the box. I need to buy some replacement strings for it, but = I'm afraid I'll have to just order the strings individually.=20 As for electrifying it, I had one of those McIntre acoustic feather = pickups installed in it....and the strap button that serves as a = jack....then I run it through an LA Bags acoustic preamp....it sound = quite good, although if I was willing to spend more money, I would have = bought a pickup that fits under the bridge....the feather pickup still = picks up a bit of external noise, which ends up being sort of = interesting for the type of music I am playing! After a year, if I am still hot over this 6-string mandolin, I plan to = have a luthier make me a custom version that is a bit larger scale..like = a 6-string tenor mandolin...maybe drop a few grand or so on one. The = fret size on this thing is just so hard to get used to. It slows me = down, which I guess I need to do anyway. :) K- ----- Original Message -----=20 Kris; Just picked up a "Michael Kelly Octave Mando Plus". Haven't put it to = "loop" use yet but was wondering what you're doing for "electrifying" = your mando. Also, have you experimented with altered tunings and if so = any idea where to find a chart detailing string guages/ tensions/ = tunings?=20 Thanks. - Paul http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/ On Dec 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: In case anyone is lurking around Boise, Idaho in January...Kaiser = and I are at it again with our laptops and unusual = instruments/effects....except that I'm playing the 6-string mandolin now ------=_NextPart_000_0857_01C71EED.819C3910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's a nice looking mando,=20 Paul...F-Style...pricey too!  As for the cheapy I am playing by = Gold Tone,=20 it's the only single-string, 6-string Mandolin I could find on the = market=20 without having one made. Gibson used to make one, but discontinued it. = Relative=20 to how the traditional mandolin is tuned (in fifths), I suppose mine is = tuned in=20 an "altered" way, as it is tuned exactly like a guitar out of the = box.That is=20 why it was so easy for me to pickup and play.  Heck, it's basically = a=20 miniature jazz hollow-body guitar...except I tune it down to C rather = than=20 starting at E. It loosens up the strings a bit.  But I may try some = altered=20 tunings, like tuning it in tri-tones. That ought to force me to play = outside the=20 box. I need to buy some replacement strings for it, but I'm afraid I'll = have to=20 just order the strings individually.
 
As for electrifying it, I had one of = those McIntre=20 acoustic feather pickups installed in it....and the strap button that = serves as=20 a jack....then I run it through an LA Bags acoustic preamp....it sound = quite=20 good, although if I was willing to spend more money, I would have bought = a=20 pickup that fits under the bridge....the feather pickup still picks up a = bit of=20 external noise, which ends up being sort of interesting for the type of = music I=20 am playing!
 
After a year, if I am still hot = over this=20 6-string mandolin, I plan to have a luthier make me a custom version = that is a=20 bit larger scale..like a 6-string tenor mandolin...maybe drop a few = grand=20 or so on one.  The fret size on this thing is just so hard to get = used to.=20 It slows me down, which I guess I need to do anyway. :)
 
K-
----- Original Message -----

 
Kris;
Just=20 picked up a "Michael Kelly Octave Mando Plus". Haven't put it to = "loop" use=20 yet but was wondering what you're doing for "electrifying" your mando. = Also,=20 have you experimented with altered tunings and if so any idea where to = find a=20 chart detailing string guages/ tensions/ tunings?
Thanks. - = Paul
http://homepage.mac.com/pmim= litsch/


On=20 Dec 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

In case anyone is = lurking=20 around Boise, Idaho in January...Kaiser and I are at it again with = our=20 laptops and unusual instruments/effects....except that I'm playing = the=20 6-string mandolin=20 now
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Thanks, Krispen. Nice reality check. Mine wasn't nearly as bad as I remember it (thanks be)...
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 11:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDEF3BED5; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:26:54 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <458134FE.3080107@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <9a29iD.A.4F.oRTgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:24:24 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 13:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F7693BEDC; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: Subject: EFC-7 or MIDI? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:10:44 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <67UgrC.A.G0C.s1UgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) hi there! quick question ... do i need a midi merger if i want to control my edp from the fcb1010 being a drum machine the master, or can i plug the drum machine directly to the fcb1010 in case that the pedalboard has a midi input? thanks in advance! RBT. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 15:26:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4190F3BEDA; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: EFC-7 or MIDI? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2006 15:26:39.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[405A5070:01C71F94] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Raul, if your drum machine has a Midi output , you can send it to your FCB Midi In/ Merge. Activate the Merge function (see the manual for this) will send your drum machine's midi datas to the FCB and then the same datas are sent to your EDP (and at the same time, you can control your EDP with the FCB). Cheers fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "raul bonell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: EFC-7 or MIDI? > hi there! > > quick question ... > > do i need a midi merger if i want to control my edp from > the fcb1010 being a drum machine the master, or can i plug the drum > machine directly to the fcb1010 in case that the pedalboard has a midi > input? > > thanks in advance! > RBT. > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: > 13/12/2006 18.13 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 02:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652C23BEDD; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Loop IV Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:27:36 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <2rdD4.A.jZB.mgggFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:27:50 +0000 (UTC) thanks fabio! just asking because i'm considering to get the fcb1010. i'll download the manual, and have a look ... but definitely, this merge fuction in the midi controller is what i was asking for. another snack question. for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. which new functions did you found more valuable? it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? does these new additions help to create more complex structures impossible to achieve with prior software version? I remain in Loop III mode ;-) ... the last one? thanks fabio and all who replied. RBT. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: EFC-7 or MIDI? > Raul, > if your drum machine has a Midi output , you can send it to your FCB Midi > In/ Merge. > Activate the Merge function (see the manual for this) will send your drum > machine's midi datas to the FCB and then the same datas are sent to your > EDP (and at the same time, you can control your EDP with the FCB). > > Cheers > fabio > > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ > http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raul bonell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:10 PM > Subject: EFC-7 or MIDI? > > >> hi there! >> >> quick question ... >> >> do i need a midi merger if i want to control my edp from >> the fcb1010 being a drum machine the master, or can i plug the drum >> machine directly to the fcb1010 in case that the pedalboard has a midi >> input? >> >> thanks in advance! >> RBT. >> >> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com >> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: >> 13/12/2006 18.13 >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67C73BEE0; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=e1slbLIRNQmITzXt+sneQ3SPtUJHdoQNvv017g0fPNb+XcKKpofdUtlPpcu9sBtyZ9fiUnN/vRKawW8MCUarfD6SNMQ6r6bq+3s1/UwpXqm/JQjdp/Z4Ow9pri5bx75JVqgwV2RxFek23azpOROwymPSMXSx/v8ydiiaTQunt3M=; X-YMail-OSG: pzv_KAAVM1l9tbDAIXsc3TREn8x5ggzWqEXw_IBXhaOqu8JGHxcB54blm.L0yJzqTDQVP8ZR_h8GwgCJZ_wd37N4NeobLAzlSI8u5Q4re8laOyy62l4dBQ-- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Another newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <871833.44227.qm@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <737308.66464.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0tteO.A.BYF.jrlgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:20:51 +0000 (UTC) i used to use the ibanez AD9 http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAAD9 very nice analog sound perhaps combined with a boss RC2 a simple setup that could do the job. Luis --- SR Millis wrote: > I'm a blues and rockabilly guitarist---and slapback > echo is an essential part of rockabilly. Now, I'm > looking to expand what I do musically---and looping > is appealing to me. I need advice: what would you > recommend for an entry-level looping pedal or > station for a guitarist? Thanks in advance! > > Scott Millis > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:32:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFACD3BED8; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIrsgUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNXAEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061215080706.01aa3330@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:32:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loop IV In-Reply-To: <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:32:44 +0000 (UTC) >another snack question. > >for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. >which new functions did you found more valuable? the ability to edit little chunks of sound together Half speed playback better sync using presets to set up for compositions that require certain edp tricks Safe Mode for record ( a lifesaver in a live situation) Configurable expression pedal ( which gave me a whole track on my cd, though I don't usually have it in my rig) >it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? Yes, especially with a MIDI controller. Rarely though, an old EDP needs a very slight modification to run LoopIV. >does these new additions help to create more complex structures >impossible to achieve with prior software version? yes, in many ways, but what did you want to achieve >I remain in Loop III mode ;-) ... >the last one? doesn't look like there'll be a loopV for that hardware, there's no more processing power available >thanks fabio and all who replied. >RBT. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:41:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD7473BEDA; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EsqH0vH/AggwrclsxrlyVvhkW97+iyWPA/+3iX6t58Q33ZNrEQoXFahq+G9Hl05kRls7YvwuHiH2pI8tPemActlU8DTi2zIYoFQBTFVv7wNWsjtE7Oqam3EI5DISkQ7iaNniiHGNwabgOoKZ8H5ypJ+n9oCg++QJyQPAsTPSN/8= In-Reply-To: <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09B7EFCE-7E31-4CE5-A180-DD11393FB0A8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop IV Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:41:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:41:42 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2006, at 03.27, raul bonell wrote: > for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. > which new functions did you found more valuable? Hmm.... maybe Substitute... or some other? I can't remember all specific fixes coming with Loop4 but I remember I was very happy when upgrading. - Oh, and I think Replace Mode is nice too :-) > it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? If you want the new functions it's well worth it (sorry for that stupid answer... ;-) > does these new additions help to create more complex structures > impossible to achieve with prior software version? You can make complex structures with Loop3 as well. But at least for me the latest version is a more versatile tool to bring out my ideas with. If you want to check out if Loop4 is what you need I think this EDP manual has Loop4 functions integrated in the text: http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/ EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A089E3BEB6; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wMvzsCzqF5MPEoPN04l3yk6kIIszMJUUrC0zIwIyQ5c3MgaZWN3m/vDdF8TZTeNjRC5Zj3JpS9C02RwJ6vANEBJEOS7xJDGFpmsr/x0flfuHAUAKUi20QSwZNcdBP2ev1m8itebd1kMbS6AtN3zSTUggBGenRwATYlEFpltAo6U=; X-YMail-OSG: PzaN1PEVM1mOU8uIKpafkskL06rdSN43icDu0P4RClnII3ITaJshj.flgshVX5tFRdX8og32y48IKDaLPSZ0wD6zXHQWvDuh7XWOOD9uy1ErGl3vJA_nMg-- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: loopers little nuisances Re: Question about looping software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <584065.75933.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:42:51 +0000 (UTC) to my astonishment this is also something that the high end repeater couldnt do,(at least connected with my fcb1010 dont know if it could with a normal switch) which was quite irritating. also,i ve never been comfortable doing rhythmic tap tempo delays with the DL4,the DD-20 seems much better in that department. Luis > > one thing that RC-50 simply can't do: loops under > 1.5 seconds. So I > > took it back and traded for a Vox ToneLab SE > modeller. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:46:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8B13BEE2; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tDpsPCHqHIjs9yp6KZ24vk4mlVC4bHhPgERK0+98SsInGgdzNTEyZskmRMwiUA+9whgxy3+sGM3QWXlcdBHV0oOZuiIODphprN6RhLSFG4LxsqD04HTNDzyBQfL9aPDQTrrh1+RqpW37PwwoDDl0p3q/en+bfPhYuMtl1+/OIws=; X-YMail-OSG: Ktcis1EVM1mYDOkVNqcT39ApQNOxvh6wKLuMGJHpltpL.vJCR9J6w4eG6UC5iMrt.4xbL5R8kJmi9ifZWFrdhzPHQJlYs8QBBUb9ldN9htGqF10O2RU1OxefORmZRT1RHD4muos30MoH4f_KFxy57umZ2onfhpYkrE0- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Loop IV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061215080706.01aa3330@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <418801.48956.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:46:07 +0000 (UTC) just about all of them since is almost 100% bug free upgrade you will be a happy man! Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > >another snack question. > > > >for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. > >which new functions did you found more valuable? > > the ability to edit little chunks of sound together > > Half speed playback > > better sync > > using presets to set up for compositions that > require certain edp tricks > > Safe Mode for record ( a lifesaver in a live > situation) > > Configurable expression pedal ( which gave me a > whole track on my cd, > though I don't usually have it in my rig) > > >it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? > > Yes, especially with a MIDI controller. > > Rarely though, an old EDP needs a very slight > modification to run LoopIV. > > > >does these new additions help to create more > complex structures > >impossible to achieve with prior software version? > > yes, in many ways, but what did you want to achieve > > >I remain in Loop III mode ;-) ... > > > > >the last one? > > doesn't look like there'll be a loopV for that > hardware, there's no > more processing power available > > > >thanks fabio and all who replied. > >RBT. > > andy butler > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 08:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69B3B3BEE7; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <37432.62.2.75.66.1166172816.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <000501c71f81$4a12d960$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <000c01c71ff0$99f6f820$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: Loop IV User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:53:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV_featurelist.html http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf > for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. > which new functions did you found more valuable? > it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? > does these new additions help to create more complex structures impossible > to achieve with prior software version? I remain in Loop III mode ;-) ... > the last one? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 11:35:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258993BED8; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4582886B.4070403@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:35:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about looping software References: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> In-Reply-To: <4578CA15.6070909@zwieble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2tHo_C.A.-3D.uhogFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Sean Onion wrote: > I've also got a Mac Mini, but isn't that more geared as an office > workstation? According to the mentioned OS X version of your iMac I guess the Mac Mini is at least 4 times as fast. The iMac was geared as an office machine as well. Any Mac can do music pretty well, no Mac is geared at music (as opposed to business)... Slow machines are fine for the office, for music take the faster one... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 14:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461F83BED9; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loop IV Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:32:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <37432.62.2.75.66.1166172816.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Thread-Index: AccgJoSrABofcADYQ6++c5SL0E10sgALxvQg Message-Id: <20061215143215.YPVA15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) The value of the feedback and volume is displayed in the window when you change them--nice! Gary -----Original Message----- > for all those who use Loop IV in your Plex. > which new functions did you found more valuable? > it's worth the update for the extra tweakness? > does these new additions help to create more complex structures impossible > to achieve with prior software version? I remain in Loop III mode ;-) ... > the last one? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 15:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383403BEDA; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c72060$3610d310$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <20061215143215.YPVA15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Subject: Re: Loop IV Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:46:27 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Now I see .. I'll check the manual for Loop IV. Anyway, is Ausiris still selling this upgrade directly from his webpage or it's a phantom page nowadays? Looks like the last web update was made in 2002? Is Kim managing this forum yet? Many, many thanks to my favourite teachers: Andy, Per, Bernhard, Luis, and comments from Gary. RBT. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 16:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9459C3BED5; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loop IV Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:23:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <001601c72060$3610d310$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Thread-Index: AccgYDwQh63yPYXpR4Cq7nfAnuRJrgABDdIg Message-Id: <20061215162333.JIEL20715.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Kim monitors but doesn't manage this forum--and I am sure you can order the upgrade direct from http://www.aurisis.com/ Loop IV was a definite step forward-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: raul bonell [mailto:RAULBONELL@telefonica.net] Anyway, is Ausiris still selling this upgrade directly from his webpage or it's a phantom page nowadays? Looks like the last web update was made in 2002? Is Kim managing this forum yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 17:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3C53BED9; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:48:53 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #507 for December 14, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4582E005.1050507@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061214.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #507 December 14, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Selected Works Vol. 3" released on MP3.COM. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Planets" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. Darshan Ambient: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Deep Sky Divers Full Moon Rise The New Fast Lane (Any Robinhood) Deep Sky Divers Deep Sky Meditation The New Fast Lane (Any Robinhood) VA [Rogue Element] Mellowtronthoughts Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) VA [François-Pol Tôle Ondulée Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) Cornec] VA [4m33s] Sunrise on Cyderia Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) VA [Gert Emmens and Velvet Sky Analogy Volume 2 (Groove) Ruud Heij] Klaus Schulze The Real Colours In Inter*face (Revisited) the Darkness Kelvin L. Smith Blue Vortex Persian (Emma) Klaus Sculze Synpharä * Cyborg (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Darshan Ambient The Night Watchman Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Under Magnolia Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Areola Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Slow Drift Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient The Cool River Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Mother's Milk Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Parachute Toadstool Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Savage Silhouette Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) Darshan Ambient Wasteland Selected Works Vol 3 (MP3.COM) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Autumn's Apple" on Lotuspike Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 18:02:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2983BED5; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061215100121.105f25a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:02:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop IV In-Reply-To: <001601c72060$3610d310$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <20061215143215.YPVA15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001601c72060$3610d310$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5Iqh8D.A.kuC.FNugFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) At 07:46 AM 12/15/2006, raul bonell wrote: >Now I see .. I'll check the manual for Loop IV. >Anyway, is Ausiris still selling this upgrade directly from his webpage or >it's a phantom page nowadays? Looks like the last web update was made in >2002? Is Kim managing this forum yet? Yes, the LoopIV upgrade is available from our website: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIVorder.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 18:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AE313BED2; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3i57cTjQaPRwu+bX5zKJF0VXwip1gv6Oms6n1ERozUYz+gFiOuuK/t5OlvhpXAO+fh8yZGo5DRz6B5ayPcqH6zlue8YmZNQNYZfCVqPTCfAdtI9FeaBsW3AoE6ck0DnKNhM0OH/BkDHbezAWTpKG4ATHSsOGdUf3aE3qWfODXMs=; X-YMail-OSG: LAf1hHMVM1ky4t8CWQ7336f6RMGirr5Qj99g3ciHcO9b_h6JmOAQBClhc4MShttdZ1XUf1wyNVRf9oFsBoEptK35rzQp_2roWyAGigh4tcu6eXYg3J3dH_4AlGnHCBLnkf.ndmLfcp66il84XkD2UyoeHOcgPmhWVA.N4iX_Ljsz178hxNjlEn_hMeg4 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Question about looping software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4582886B.4070403@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <648275.21148.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) My pal Keith has a Mac Mini he uses for music and I know he's getting Kantor and Cube 2 running comfortably on it and it's a couple years old now. I think the rule of thumb on any computer you buy is that it's good for one upgrade cycle for apps. At that point freeze it as it is and forget about the world outside and just use it. Many of my recordings were done on a Mac 7500 with a cheap Korg audio card. I doubt it would tackle soft synths, though. --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Sean Onion wrote: > > I've also got a Mac Mini, but isn't that more > geared as an office > > workstation? > > According to the mentioned OS X version of your iMac > I guess the Mac > Mini is at least 4 times as fast. The iMac was > geared as an office > machine as well. Any Mac can do music pretty well, > no Mac is geared at > music (as opposed to business)... > Slow machines are fine for the office, for music > take the faster one... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 18:37:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA073BED5; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AaLG5H5Wt3ygSkf1jQVsIlwSB1yXmGbNadAlTQV3IAoQrukB0SddxEHO0j+BZkvqvYZe7NkeNLkWLc9X1SipAMGviw7EWzMRmGcCoQSaalRC7kVKRx73RAbq8IOrrUGdpeDQ18hsjBv5kaIlRX+6w1en2yP2EktUH1U74nvg2zA=; X-YMail-OSG: kNxxs_YVM1m9bAGv9J8xeAl2FjWTSg2PTHLoahWFkY_4knBQZRIc_cJo2uNglJt9oTBMqMQb2se3_M8hE1uJoJt8TJgrpyNOzFTq6l3IyTVcIRKZhDJ4p9AZb80VCvGlnZ3ZFs0C_1DjAIY- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: loopers little nuisances Re: Question about looping software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <584065.75933.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <60989.61805.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:37:53 +0000 (UTC) There are plenty of delays out there with 100% feedback so I think when the Repeater and RC-50 were designed they were shooting for functionality of longer loops. Sounds weird to trade an RC-50 for a Tonelab. As much as I love my Tonelab it is such a totally different animal than an RC-50 that it seems like you'd want both, no? Mark --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > to my astonishment this is also something that the > high end repeater couldnt do,(at least connected > with > my fcb1010 dont know if it could with a normal > switch) > which was quite irritating. > also,i ve never been comfortable doing rhythmic tap > tempo delays with the DL4,the DD-20 seems much > better > in that department. > Luis > > > > > > > > one thing that RC-50 simply can't do: loops > under > > 1.5 seconds. So I > > > took it back and traded for a Vox ToneLab SE > > modeller. > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC863BEDA; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SclzptJjLns1dSml/6or9ZdvqAEAqjxkWtT1btza8zDv1kyB/QHfSb8H/RRok7JnSnfiLKIFbDyHYauxY2UzHxtpYz9Cq0ujQWiTKqNSPWU8jfU7gtXXuqOhu7e6430IsEO7XkGJ+kFnQGxdYDxLjLm0gJYrkUk3xyfQYv5e320=; X-YMail-OSG: e0U.tWgVM1lO967mtla24O9g30OXkKHxCOC4MPE4hQ1CvCMAphfa34rNZo1GOiNvWQ-- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Looper's Christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try being nicer, but we know what it's really about. Presents! So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on ebay) Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth Izotope's effects bundle (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:20:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726C33BED6; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F3368AE-759A-41BE-A0C2-A1CB166BAAE9@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:20:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_XROG.A.YAG.WWvgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:20:54 +0000 (UTC) > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? Hoping for contributions toward my second Switchblade GL. Things on my own personal wish list for '07: find a cheap Vox CC2 on ebay so I can have the cab redone, the amp modded, etc.; Dr Z Maz 38 2 x 12; a couple of Fender Masterbuilt Strats (picking out colors now...planning is half the fun). Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C8B3BEE1; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sbWbDZ/WMMvtOcfWBL0aAMPuUZqsx8v0DsJEjOrsCfXauvCNBJH0chDFZSOLygIESjZVkm4iSqrmDNc/ip/h8utMY+j7WqXkI6er+8L+2IJLZtH3BDEn8yc7l0A3RqAtBVXKzn15Hg2gX92xliSIOZ6AgzaBwe5+tDHIKzAMvcA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:21:05 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:21:08 +0000 (UTC) > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing I got myself a VG-8 off of ebay for my present. My wife just has no clue what to get me. Though a digital camera was discussed! :) Tony On 12/15/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved > Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new > software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on > ebay) > > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > Izotope's effects bundle > (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) > > CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) > > Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) > > PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) > > Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:23:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D54A3BEE1; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13482661.1166210587977.JavaMail.root@web34> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:23:07 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Hey, man, I have a "real" additive synth: the good old Kawai K5m. -- Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved > Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new > software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on > ebay) > > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > Izotope's effects bundle > (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) > > CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) > > Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) > > PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) > > Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:34:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EF63BEDE; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f2sAZcXHpGePHR9lQCNYsOP65ETNvzdXVIy5C1mZ9IK3NcKtVZ+/IN65YF3UiqF51ehdY1nUStABKQrNprtFGrrWnvj2O5mhFd7qy+af4WJWOr62uBWKodZ2BzFc+H2MfRUzZO+CYTmisY5FiuEU7uL6HyqkPlxVE7Hfjq6Etjw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:34:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? Mobius 2.0 for Mac OS X and Windows XP ;-) > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth I have that one - it's great! One of the best computer dependent digital synths IMHO. And I've been getting even better results with C5k by sampling my fav patches and playing them from the sampler. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 20:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 078B93BEDE; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:25:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) At 2:21 PM -0500 12/15/06, Tony K wrote: >>So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > >I got myself a VG-8 off of ebay for my present. Very cool box. You're gonna have a blast, especially with the altered tunings. :) >My wife just has no clue what to get me. Though a digital camera >was discussed! :) Same situation here. My wife generally gets really frustrated at trying to buy for me, so this year she asked me to give her a list of stuff from which to choose. I blasted this out to her right off the top of my head: Echo Indigo I/O PCMCIA Cardbus Soundcard Korg KP3 KAOSS Pad Creamware Pro-12 ASB 1 pair KRK V8 Series 2 monitors Solid State Logic (SSL) Duende Nord Modular G2 Keyboard Admittedly, some of the items are somewhat high ticket. When it came time to set the "budget" for this year's gifts, I knew I wanted to get her a Macbook. That means, however, that she gets the spend the same amount on me. Judging from the size of the boxes, I *think* I'm getting the Pro-12 and the Kaoss Pad. <*evil grin*> --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 20:39:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AD0D3BEDB; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13482661.1166210587977.JavaMail.root@web34> References: <13482661.1166210587977.JavaMail.root@web34> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:39:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:39:51 +0000 (UTC) At 11:23 AM -0800 12/15/06, Paul Richards wrote: >Hey, man, I have a "real" additive synth: the good old Kawai K5m. Heh! Nice box. Back in the late '80's I was all set to grab a K5; had the cash in hand and was standing in the music store. However, while I was waiting for the sales guy to finish with another customer, I started noodling on the Prophet VS sitting next to the K5. Needless to say, I ended up taking the SCI box home instead, and have never really looked back. In retrospect, I'm glad I waited. A few years later I picked up a Kawai K5000s on blowout (which I still love dearly as well). And in fact, last year I went on to score a K5000r rackmount for cheep on Ebay solely for use with my MIDI Guitar. Kawai rocks! :) --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60A9A3BEDA; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45831277.7000703@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:24:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 References: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: > http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html > > This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 > hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for > whom I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. Two questions: The files which are associated with Craig McColloch have tags which tell its Chris Roberts & Ross Artese. I guess they contain Craigs music and the tags are wrong??? Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 or, as the tag claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:24:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98333BEEA; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a5801c7208f$5bdf4700$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:24:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <1kvEoD.A.tEC.9JxgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:24:13 +0000 (UTC) You got it, Mark...thank Constantine for presents! I have no new gear on my Xmas list this year, except replacing what was stolen a few week ago....I'll pickup a Line 6 or Jamman tomorrow...haven't decided yet. Anyone have any ideas for a small, compact guitar amp for jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, etc? K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Looper's Christmas list > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved > Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new > software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on > ebay) > > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > Izotope's effects bundle > (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) > > CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) > > Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) > > PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) > > Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C93E3BEDC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:25:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh man....that's a good one, Per. I'd like to add a Reaktor ensemble to VST converter to the list....would make me a happy man...at least until the next month. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list > On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: >> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? > > Mobius 2.0 for Mac OS X and Windows XP ;-) > >> Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > I have that one - it's great! One of the best computer dependent digital > synths IMHO. And I've been getting even better results with C5k by > sampling my fav patches and playing them from the sampler. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C31B23BEF1; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a8801c72092$1df83bb0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45831277.7000703@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:43:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) That is very bizarre. I did not tag any of these MP3s. I edited the raw files from the recorder with Steinberg's Wavlab, and then converted from wav to MP3. I'll look into why this would have happened. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: >> http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html >> This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 >> hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for whom >> I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. > > Two questions: > > The files which are associated with Craig McColloch have tags which tell > its Chris Roberts & Ross Artese. I guess they contain Craigs music and the > tags are wrong??? > > Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 or, as the tag > claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30FCD3BEAC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a9301c72092$482ed010$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45831277.7000703@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:45:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:45:07 +0000 (UTC) But yes, the MP3 are actually from Craig, not Chris and Ross. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: >> http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html >> >> This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 >> hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for >> whom I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. > > Two questions: > > The files which are associated with Craig McColloch have tags which tell > its Chris Roberts & Ross Artese. I guess they contain Craigs music and > the tags are wrong??? > > Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 or, as the > tag claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:47:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8929B3BEDE; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <458317F3.9090307@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:47:31 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5AmzfD.A.48C.0fxgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:47:32 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! I guess he was a looper, the loop lasts one year and then you have to find presents again, and he's playing that loop for more than 2000 years now. Hard to beat... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61E93BEE8; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gwa3SiMv4z0cTVMfZQ23nsilGQowv6EwF7XUQ5TVGkM1AO299XLHmOr2v6mav+1e3O30EZpOU8N2qS+BoxWGhzSyKhGgUCn15ayHLD84yVCGHJBxH2nBLBTW0ooeIopuJvkBquY37lp0gTvSvt7WCYnOtoKUzciL+x2JbyKU1aE= In-Reply-To: <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C23BE80-14A3-4A91-A30B-AB65313F9C98@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:47:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6OaKnC.A.EDD.HgxgFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:47:51 +0000 (UTC) >> On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: >>> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? He, he... the minute after responding to Mark's post I received a nice Christmas gift from Akai; a new operating system upgrade for my EWI (fingering now even more close to sax fingering). Downloaded and installed right away. Now I'll stay in this armchair blowing bell sounds until Christmas Day ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 22:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FAAE3BED0; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pfdu/hnwwouGSD7AZIsY9Vn6GvW24dGMcNnd+Tw8dnK9IGAhmkUQEUBeloXUtCkQX1ilylqynzRYGouplYtgboquiqc8UThQy6PpA5FaZCJlknsxXxrEl5eYnQTXm6wkspKA4qeUUeeQQvAVgsHP5ZlVlONjXBay3i4y33BM74c= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:53:34 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_219138_31557267.1166223214176" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:53:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_219138_31557267.1166223214176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's Christmas lists". :) I asked for a snare drum, a small sine wave generator or two, and an ebow. (It's not what you think!) What all y'all should be asking for is these phat Vietnamese Hmong jaw harps! http://www.larkinam.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_JAW015_A_Vietnamese+Brass+Jaw+Harp_E_ They're very loud and much easier to play than traditional ones. (No toothaches!) ------=_Part_219138_31557267.1166223214176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >So what's on ya'll Christmas lists?

I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's Christmas lists". :)

I asked for a snare drum, a small sine wave generator or two, and an ebow. (It's not what you think!)

What all y'all should be asking for is these phat Vietnamese Hmong jaw harps!
http://www.larkinam.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_JAW015_A_Vietnamese+Brass+Jaw+Harp_E_
They're very loud and much easier to play than traditional ones. (No toothaches!)

------=_Part_219138_31557267.1166223214176-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 22:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A19863BED0; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looper's Christmas list Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:58:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C72059.72181EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C72059.72181EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, they sound Hmongous! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list >So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's Christmas lists". :) I asked for a snare drum, a small sine wave generator or two, and an ebow. (It's not what you think!) What all y'all should be asking for is these phat Vietnamese Hmong jaw harps! http://www.larkinam.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_JAW015_A_Vietnamese+Brass+Jaw+H arp_E_ They're very loud and much easier to play than traditional ones. (No toothaches!) ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C72059.72181EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   I agree, they sound=20 Hmongous!
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Davignon=20 [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 15, = 2006 2:54=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Looper's Christmas list

>So what's on ya'll = Christmas=20 lists?

I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's = Christmas=20 lists". :)

I asked for a snare drum, a small sine wave = generator or=20 two, and an ebow. (It's not what you think!)

What all y'all = should be=20 asking for is these phat Vietnamese Hmong jaw harps!
http://www.larkinam.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_JAW015_A_Viet= namese+Brass+Jaw+Harp_E_=20
They're very loud and much easier to play than traditional = ones. (No=20 toothaches!)

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C72059.72181EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 23:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B523BEE1; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ekOKMkIqjy20USheIWRt2q3bNf9mTc+oIBvnPU8EY3a1kZje4SPTkpog5o3rbQ+No8c7do273SNkRtTRpUDS0jMk1OMLisxM7jrz+MpOwO6RGcQxYnsT1G0cNj/Iidyu9Thw1t+bNK+wkOb6LSs0GoDyoCHS6Wj700SSdzNsFkY=; X-YMail-OSG: X744AYcVM1keqPImHG4eizB_dWM7F8HQB96zc.eH64PQIcQl0CGxE3srZBbSoNJacsmOS9eCat0GJV1UT3xz6XEhLvjpZPi_McEVOW4kdgsKSWIiwS9iv0q5rP2zCSgjFWqoTNoN84_b2g-- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:03:14 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2C23BE80-14A3-4A91-A30B-AB65313F9C98@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <23258.12828.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:03:16 +0000 (UTC) It's a Christmas miracle! --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: > >>> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? > > > He, he... the minute after responding to Mark's post > I received a > nice Christmas gift from Akai; a new operating > system upgrade for my > EWI (fingering now even more close to sax > fingering). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 23:12:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E823BEDD; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=y8rpGHJEsYEgE3uNpzmaD2Olb/FCT9iQUxxBiXWVEleAGQtoH9rIm+dofliajmWxUOR2Zbs/WsRjn4Zuiur7RG+kIQm2nA4dnGm7S1jcs9CQXFDJuCnZAq9IMpb5LvKeP1FrDh9aihi5HUX+vkm/qVSqfoRZ9TRdrObon08TOQo=; X-YMail-OSG: Xt6vUwIVM1ncnoyQuCKLdKbFPgWJO06HeCjquAM2jkhkecZQ8w.AJ0KNIax2v3hy4kj.1bL4nExosbMPGTREkXzIqn.mBzfytX9haBwdzXXSla3.TSFQRQz0o2wDbmUuc1RBZ5o.1JOR1Qg- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Compact guitar amp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a5801c7208f$5bdf4700$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <24545.6108.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:12:12 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I have no new gear on my Xmas list this year, except > replacing what was > stolen a few week ago.... That blows! I'm sorry. I'll pickup a Line 6 or > Jamman tomorrow...haven't > decided yet. Check out the DD-20 too, that's a good pedal IMO. Anyone have any ideas for a small, > compact guitar amp for > jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, > etc? I have a Johnson JT-50 Mirage that I really like. It's not the tiniest but it's pretty light as these things go and it has a stereo line level effects send which I find very useful. One afternoon I A/B'd it with my Ampeg Reverbrocket (all tube combo) and it had all the tone but none of the hum and buzz the Ampeg had. You can usually find them on ebay pretty cheap. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 23:16:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBADA3BEE8; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061215231559.61519.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kT/npuciRTJDLyXGL+Uc09wIpr80gEVaRmQf3zCP1YnwaI/iS1pI4rxfUEEmCDvLK+P36dlK2zMZPECqVPrGgdHUax4M3p5ljvX8WvoPKAwVrxelUa72mnS0fFFFn1SXXMYOLNTG7nBnShWGvfszytqNNgRfRLURbzECd+rh590=; X-YMail-OSG: VDMvdlQVM1ne8VMO1VQ4VSZZJcY31bpM_WcX9Iv.Zb0xl5kzdWQewJ__kvoa.rlF_ShuN5jUd4FsoZjs121EcQe07Zr_xuaE__IyPjt_newZJuzllENtwwDr8vxppw9I1lBZftmY1R8Eww-- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:16:00 +0000 (UTC) --- mech wrote: > Judging from the size of the boxes, I *think* I'm > getting the Pro-12 > and the Kaoss Pad. <*evil grin*> Is the Korg KP-3 out yet? I noticed none of the major on line outlets seemed to have it in stock. I kind of figured they missed their ship date. It does look very cool though. Love that T.I.E Fighter styling. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 23:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7633BEE0; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:41:31 -0500 From: Graham Hubbel Subject: unsubscribe In-reply-to: <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <458332AB.4090807@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Oh man....that's a good one, Per. I'd like to add a Reaktor ensemble > to VST converter to the list....would make me a happy man...at least > until the next month. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list > > >> On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: >>> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? >> >> Mobius 2.0 for Mac OS X and Windows XP ;-) >> >>> Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth >> >> I have that one - it's great! One of the best computer dependent >> digital synths IMHO. And I've been getting even better results with >> C5k by sampling my fav patches and playing them from the sampler. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> >> >> > Please unsubscribe me. Or send me instructions on how to unsubscribe. Thanks. G. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 23:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D1D03BED2; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c720a3$5548f030$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <050e01c71e7b$b4d88d50$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45831277.7000703@addcom.de> <0a8801c72092$1df83bb0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:47:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:47:11 +0000 (UTC) BTW, I'm working on tagging all the Y2K6 MP3s this week. I hope to have all of them re-uploaded by end of next week. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 > That is very bizarre. I did not tag any of these MP3s. I edited the raw > files from the recorder with Steinberg's Wavlab, and then converted from > wav to MP3. I'll look into why this would have happened. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Tiedje" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 > > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: >>> http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html >>> This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 >>> hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for >>> whom I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. >> >> Two questions: >> >> The files which are associated with Craig McColloch have tags which tell >> its Chris Roberts & Ross Artese. I guess they contain Craigs music and >> the tags are wrong??? >> >> Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 or, as the tag >> claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 00:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F283C3BEC2; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1786.69.59.206.219.1166228288.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2C23BE80-14A3-4A91-A30B-AB65313F9C98@gmail.com> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2C23BE80-14A3-4A91-A30B-AB65313F9C98@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:18:11 +0000 (UTC) >>> On 15 dec 2006, at 20.10, mark sottilaro wrote: >>>> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I had a fairly profitable month in November, so I got myself a couple of early Xmas presentz: A Radial ProD2 stereo DI: I play bass and keys/laptop live, and having 2 channel DI in my amp rack makes life easier for me and the unfortunate soundguys who get to run us. Plus, it's a great sounding DI. An Electro-Harmonix 12AY7 mic preamp, a small and cheap tube mic pre that is NOT STARVED PLATE like most tube gear under a grand. Wow, I am blown away by this pre! Direct bass sounds big and full with no EQ, and cheap condenser mics sound like they actually have some character. This is, IMHO, the best sounding cheap preamp on the market. A copy of Numerology: I have a rather extensive analog modular synth here (mostly MOTM and Blacet modules), and a few years ago, I sold the Doepfer MAQ that had been the primary sequencing controller for the modular. I'd been meaning to get Numerology all along, and finally did last week. What an amazing piece of software! It's definitely the most fun and interactive sequencer I've ever used. There's nothing like having multiple step sequences in multiple time signatures triggering analog synths, I feel like I'm in Tangerine Dream now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 02:59:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E563BEDA; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061215231559.61519.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061215231559.61519.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:59:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:59:12 +0000 (UTC) At 3:15 PM -0800 12/15/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >--- mech wrote: > >> Judging from the size of the boxes, I *think* I'm > > getting the Pro-12 and the Kaoss Pad. <*evil grin*> > >Is the Korg KP-3 out yet? I noticed none of the major >on line outlets seemed to have it in stock. I kind of >figured they missed their ship date. Well, AudioMidi showed them as being in stock when I gave her the list a couple of weeks ago, IIRC. I guess I'm gonna have to wait a few days before finding out for certain though. >It does look very cool though. Love that T.I.E Fighter styling. Yeah, I dig the new multi-segment LED's under the control pad. I'm looking forward to seeing how it measures up against the other KP's too. I haven't really explored the looping/phrase-sampling options for it yet. For some reason, I've been stuck with a granular fetish lately (yeah, I know: "they make a cream for that now"). I like the granular effect on Korg's EMX-1, so when I found out they were porting that over to the KP-3, I knew I'd probably be grabbing one. --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 11:07:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B71C3BED5; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j0kML7VO4Qh/dKJd4y0lZUh69N1RHXJBFXdu3rteLJXnfivbsUhzTnq428cJciPtSXMZld38z0sg8M2WsZ0E202aoXbKozqZqy7bar85Idh4ignmllNFVKHkSwSoJKLFnkxynGlWLv/AB7616zK82xXWA/5gBvAdD5ooHfgV7d4= In-Reply-To: <1786.69.59.206.219.1166228288.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a6f01c7208f$9b07f2b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2C23BE80-14A3-4A91-A30B-AB65313F9C98@gmail.com> <1786.69.59.206.219.1166228288.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40BE0EB3-FF24-4E6C-8D1F-F35B53E3F55B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:07:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:07:45 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2006, at 01.18, improv@peak.org wrote: > A copy of Numerology: I have a rather extensive analog modular > synth here > (mostly MOTM and Blacet modules), and a few years ago, I sold the > Doepfer > MAQ that had been the primary sequencing controller for the > modular. I'd > been meaning to get Numerology all along, and finally did last > week. What > an amazing piece of software! It's definitely the most fun and > interactive > sequencer I've ever used. There's nothing like having multiple step > sequences in multiple time signatures triggering analog synths, I feel > like I'm in Tangerine Dream now. Totally agree - I too find Numerology is amazing! Version 2.0 is just around the corner and will offer ReWire, which is nice for us that don't have those analog synth modules ;-)) I'm looking forward to piping Num MIDI feeds into Logic as the digital synths host and global micro tuning options (thus affecting all hosted synths/ samplers). I think the concept of Numerology - envisioning a system of modules that may as well module each others - is very creative for whatever you are doing in music. I'm drawing on this for a lot of funny scripting in Mobius, but then applied to plain live audio mangling. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 12:31:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35F1E3BED9; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Matt Davignon's SoftWetFish reviewed in WIRE Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:31:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004801c7210e$18579440$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcchDheY0M3izciPQTeo7qUMY++kvg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:31:26 +0000 (UTC) congratulations Matt - you did it again - there's a very nice review in the December issue of WIRE magazine. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 12:39:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48F23BED2; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:41:55 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: LD Mail Status To: Loopers Delight Mailing List Message-id: <4583E993.6050904@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, Perhaps I'm wierd (well, I *know* that I am!) but I feel bad when I unsubscribe from this list merely to temporarily discontinue mail. Other lists allow me to set no mail or disable delivery. Is there nothing like that for LD? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 12:57:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DFB83BEDF; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=b7NZuIP36PSJmq/NwQKK0+k783eyQ+iemz73agpdAkMEAqN9HaCupyRPWJe0rFiLa+qhuCp303lZZYYM4LIb+wJ+lj3JW5PI146gqKwpp3iTRNsCCmUKmATEkRL5mIHgQKU7a/poCMUMBFuwW4ebKf13e4YufCsrg1vJ9rhVb7U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4583E993.6050904@soundscapes.us> References: <4583E993.6050904@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LD Mail Status Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:57:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:57:55 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2006, at 13.41, Bill Fox wrote: > Greetings, > > Perhaps I'm wierd (well, I *know* that I am!) but I feel bad when I > unsubscribe from this list merely to temporarily discontinue mail. > Other lists allow me to set no mail or disable delivery. Is there > nothing like that for LD? > > Cheers, > > Bill I don't know about that specific question, but what I do to coop with the inbox volume issue is to use a gmail account. I usually have a pipe set up to download all incoming mail from my gmail account to my local computer and if I turn off that pipe everything stays at gmail. My gmail pref's are set up with automatic sorting into folders - one folder per list and also dedicated folders for different projects; same folder system as on my local computers. So if I don't have time to read LD for a week I just leave it all in the online folder to get back to later on, or delete in just one button press. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 14:29:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7600B3BED8; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:29:31 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo Acoustic Image Contra and expansion cabinet whatever new Moogerfooger is being unveiled at NAMM in January Digidesign 002 new Mac for studio Any of that'd be nice. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 15:04:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9CEB3BEDC; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:04:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list From: Pamela Benetti To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looper's Christmas list Thread-Index: AcchI27PrSBqdI0WEdu79gARJINdzg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6FdWcD.A.6zG.-rAhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:04:30 +0000 (UTC) My Loopers Xmas List; None of it new. Digitech PMC 10 A couple of Digitech RDS 8000 Time Machines Lexicon Vortex Kawai SX 240 synth Any Steinberger GM series... Merry xmas Pam http://www.myspace.com/mswhamula On 12/16/06 9:30 AM, "burnett@pobox.com" wrote: > On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing >> shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > > Fulltone Tube Tape Echo > Acoustic Image Contra and expansion cabinet > whatever new Moogerfooger is being unveiled at NAMM in January > Digidesign 002 > new Mac for studio > > Any of that'd be nice. > > best, > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 15:05:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BD7B3BEDF; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nEjO5cggwBeg20OndEveky40KQmZpQ2kJxsio6XXfAlkcjJYNNwwjtnrmBF1YnSFbEGMTERfw6TGf+4ppq8KTWJCVywJBU5n2i+qlXLQgjZTvmGxSZdLFNkqwyoGNqpn8iJhxWhyePsWQYBNlf4UghaaiC1NCtu/SK2e3NEbwHM=; X-YMail-OSG: 2QKJYokVM1kC53rFjCYRc6Sb_i_Q28fYY4.9YerLSPTYHcV9yUeIPvyvQSZjF.ew7wvH301p0Gx6DeeLj9F9QkpoSdQToM9vH0ch2L3Kv_MlkkrYnAk- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:05:33 +0000 (GMT) From: MATTHEW STEVENS Subject: Loopers Christmas List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2039986044-1166281533=:27370" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <477528.27370.qm@web86107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:05:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-2039986044-1166281533=:27370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd like a decent amp to busk with! Matt www.myspace.com/mattstevensguitar --0-2039986044-1166281533=:27370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'd like a decent amp to busk with!
 
Matt
www.myspace.com/mattstevensguitar
--0-2039986044-1166281533=:27370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 17:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F7013BEDE; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c72136$1f894970$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "David O'Heare" To: References: <477528.27370.qm@web86107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopers Christmas List Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:17:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Status: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) "MATTHEW STEVENS" said: > I'd like a decent amp to busk with! I finally broke down and bought a Traynor TVM-10. Battery powered, around 15 watts, rechargeable, two inputs (one with a combo that takes XLR), plus RCA inputs. Sounds pretty good, should be under $150. No effects, but a 4-band master EQ. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 17:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99E423BEDF; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:52:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 450455b1-8d2e-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZFU6ClZ1 UkhJREJTEw9tAhYB BlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox0P NTYVXT5/ZWRpaGkW HkRbd01QdQNOexoX a013AHFYfGQGMih9 FVM/NHVpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsERkBDGy90 QxcFBTg1UlZNTCUp Lgc6L1cHVEIQKVla X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) brain-controlled midi interface From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 18:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37DF53BEDE; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> References: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--993063921 Message-Id: <0f042f02972df540715b753b1b21ba8a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:11:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:11:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--993063921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed While Zoe's wish is very hard to top, I think my wish would be for time. I know this can be a good and bad wish because being busy means making money - or theoretically at least - so I make this wish with a knock on wood and a few "En Shallahs" thrown in. My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family and always, the king of wishes, Peace from Peace all of the above just naturally happens your fan richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Dec-06, at 9:52 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > brain-controlled midi interface > --Apple-Mail-1--993063921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII While Zoe's wish is very hard to top, I think my wish would be for time. I know this can be a good and bad wish because being busy means making money - or theoretically at least - so I make this wish with a knock on wood and a few "En Shallahs" thrown in. My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family and always, the king of wishes, Peace from Peace all of the above just naturally happens your fan Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Dec-06, at 9:52 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: brain-controlled midi interface --Apple-Mail-1--993063921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 18:35:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80BCE3BED9; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0f042f02972df540715b753b1b21ba8a@glasswing.com> References: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> <0f042f02972df540715b753b1b21ba8a@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--991647174 Message-Id: <67cac99c7d52c3b8e83d0940df65911d@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:35:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <9IK8cB.A.XrB.qxDhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:35:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--991647174 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited =20 > creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, =20= > Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) =20= > presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends =20= > and family I was thinkin' about piping in with my own two bits -- wishin' =20 something along the same lines -- but I don't think it could be said =20 any better than that. So . . . I' just say: "Amen." Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 =93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and =20 opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to =20= the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of =20 intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their =20 vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited =20 > creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, =20= > Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) =20= > presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends =20= > and family= --Apple-Mail-1--991647174 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family I was thinkin' about piping in with my own two bits -- wishin' something along the same lines -- but I don't think it could be said any better than that.=20 So . . . I' just say: "Amen."=20 Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 0000,0000,8080http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZS= tore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6378076 8080,0000,0000=93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey 8080,8080,8080 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family= --Apple-Mail-1--991647174-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 19:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645B73BEDE; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45844F1E.80409@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:55:10 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list References: <13482661.1166210587977.JavaMail.root@web34> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:55:12 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 11:23 AM -0800 12/15/06, Paul Richards wrote: > >> Hey, man, I have a "real" additive synth: the good old Kawai K5m. > > > Heh! Nice box. Back in the late '80's I was all set to grab a K5; had > the cash in hand and was standing in the music store. However, while I > was waiting for the sales guy to finish with another customer, I started > noodling on the Prophet VS sitting next to the K5. Needless to say, I > ended up taking the SCI box home instead, and have never really looked > back. Hmmm. In the late 80s I looked very hard at a K5, was tempted by the VS, but bought the K5. I wonder if it was the same store. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 21:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0CA3BEDD; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: RE: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c72157$fc387be0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <24545.6108.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-From: ark@acm.org X-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) > Anyone have any ideas for a small, > > compact guitar amp for > > jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, > > etc? How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, check out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 23:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421DA3BED8; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:35:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:35:57 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's Christmas lists". :) Actually, since it's addressed to more than one person, it should be "all y'all's Christmas lists". "y'all" is the formal second person singular -- the equivalent of using "vous" to address an individual instead of "tu". "all y'all" is the second person plural. Or so I'm told. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 23:50:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23FA3BEE0; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061216235007.18833.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CE1QhoCGP4G1x5ohFM+J1f7UYa4rfcmPDeD+IsolgW+5PpLlfyZ5MTIeJgNLKUz0njcRnFcKLn52dqa5m2X7PtFqhHftLNGgDRBDG8LaAy1igOyHSmhf1C41lvBEs0mOKxGIir4p7cg+YnYQii0ZzHPHtNRPoN8PUAKC9wDydF4=; X-YMail-OSG: XvYWd7kVM1m_lYKZQhh4efpkxOtRwK.vdSHPj5pmxmWTKS9UUbhiZuyp_CjgAvnrnK7Qa5fCulBU9NGa.hYLFC7c4j.UDHmkSjsywVRUaKjTmnBL.DF2cHqATBu4U5PzXifo.Qbw4JJuSjM- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <67cac99c7d52c3b8e83d0940df65911d@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Wait, are you saying that the perfect piece of gear won't give you all those things? --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > > > My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a > year of unlimited > > creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, > God's (read Buddha, > > Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp > etc - you choose) > > presence in your music and life... and love for > and from your friends > > and family > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 23:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9393BEDE; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Nvrg4zZr0FufBK3PdKF666y87HrefFaFArCrBdjtUYADn8os/+YoAM0ZVBt30zPWl2ph9OqAT8S63Umg2snhrnCsJL9Z+bF57gozU6UJ3nkL6rzYdcI/JMOMyb4VvrGc00mMR58Jfz4mam5IjUZbMYYKgUmbssIFTCLjhqj+ZUA=; X-YMail-OSG: CX49FZ4VM1lb4IbdZxqdZXjS7Nxk1V3s3qCcqef3qzIayNmIlRKgwFGR30XHBlqEneorEwrqC6Xox_sT.glDh5mDntEFkt6_mR1F1GDxiNBzCiYFSDXmp95kVsSup0MmngKpxZtHailt9KE- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <61623.19801.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:52:02 +0000 (UTC) http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html --- Zoe Keating wrote: > brain-controlled midi interface > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 23:55:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A8E3BEE0; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> References: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <96D4200E-B73A-4F71-AC3F-384FA9E02578@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: [OT] brain-controlled midi interface (was Re: on my looper's christmas list) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:55:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: craig@craigmccollough.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:55:43 +0000 (UTC) http://www.ibva.com/ http://www.ibva.com/Step1/Step1.html#midi An former teacher of mine, Sylvia Pengilly (http:// webpages.charter.net/spengilly/), used these during performance.... she would meditate to trigger certain sequences, and then begin to dance, triggering other sequences. cool stuff. craig On Dec 16, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > brain-controlled midi interface > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 00:38:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D0AB3BEE9; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061216235007.18833.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061216235007.18833.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--969866576 Message-Id: <855ad77c648181d8607bd8d6ec519cc5@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:38:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:38:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--969866576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 16-Dec-06, at 3:50 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Wait, are you saying that the perfect piece of gear > won't give you all those things? Hah Ted ! :) Well... yeah! You got me on that one. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >> On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: >> >>> My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a >> year of unlimited >>> creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, >> God's (read Buddha, >>> Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp >> etc - you choose) >>> presence in your music and life... and love for >> and from your friends >>> and family >> > > > > > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > _____________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1--969866576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 16-Dec-06, at 3:50 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: Wait, are you saying that the perfect piece of gear won't give you all those things? Hah Ted ! :) Well... yeah! You got me on that one. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn < wrote: On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited =20 creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, =20 Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) =20 presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends =20 and family = __________________________________________________________________________= __________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-1--969866576-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 00:50:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 132303BEEE; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <67cac99c7d52c3b8e83d0940df65911d@charter.net> References: <8A4CE0E2-CAAB-44D5-971D-AC1009B6AAD9@zoekeating.com> <0f042f02972df540715b753b1b21ba8a@glasswing.com> <67cac99c7d52c3b8e83d0940df65911d@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--969148193 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:50:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6xtZYB.A.S9E.QRJhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:50:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--969148193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Oh! "Scuse me Ted, I thought (in my last email) Mark was you. And =20 pardon me, Mark! You can tell you're getting old when your kids tell you the tennis =20 shoes you just bought make you look like a gangsta rapper... (which =20 happened to me the other day) or (which I did recently) when you tell =20= your kids when you have to go out that you've gotta 'shag' - and you =20 haven't a clue why they burst out laughing... and when you confuse =20 friends emails. Old age should burn and rage against the dying of the light! Now... if only I could remember where I put those matches richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Dec-06, at 10:35 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited =20 >> creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, = =20 >> Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) =20= >> presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends = =20 >> and family > > I was thinkin' about piping in with my own two bits -- wishin' =20 > something along the same lines -- but I don't think it could be said =20= > any better than that. > > So . . . I' just say: "Amen." > > Peace, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 > playListId=3D6378076 > > =93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and =20= > opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to = =20 > the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of =20 > intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their =20= > vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 > step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited =20 >> creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, = =20 >> Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) =20= >> presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends = =20 >> and family= --Apple-Mail-3--969148193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Oh! "Scuse me Ted, I thought (in my last email) Mark was you. And pardon me, Mark! You can tell you're getting old when your kids tell you the tennis shoes you just bought make you look like a gangsta rapper... (which happened to me the other day) or (which I did recently) when you tell your kids when you have to go out that you've gotta 'shag' - and you haven't a clue why they burst out laughing... and when you confuse friends emails. Old age should burn and rage against the dying of the light! Now... if only I could remember where I put those matches Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-Dec-06, at 10:35 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family I was thinkin' about piping in with my own two bits -- wishin' something along the same lines -- but I don't think it could be said any better than that.=20 So . . . I' just say: "Amen."=20 Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 0000,0000,807Fhttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZS= tore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6378076 807F,0000,0000=93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey 807F,807F,807F http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Richard Sales wrote: My other Santa wish is for all of you to have a year of unlimited creativity, uncontrollable inspiration on demand, God's (read Buddha, Shiva, Yahwey, Osiris, Thoth, Kali, Durga... Fripp etc - you choose) presence in your music and life... and love for and from your friends and family= --Apple-Mail-3--969148193-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 00:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A507E3BEEA; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f701c72175$e402afa0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004e01c72157$fc387be0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:54:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that's a botique baby alright, but way to pricey for me at this point. I'm basically looking for something small, light, yet with some good built in effects and meaty jazz electric tone....for trad. jazz and jazz fusion (clean that will break up a bit). I've pretty much scowered the internet for days, again, looking for options. I had the Roland Cube 30 before it was stolen, and I am considering the Cube 60 now. I really liked the amp simulations on that amp (one in particular that gave me a great Scofield tone), but wanted a little more meat (couldn't get it from the 10" speaker). The Cube 60 might do that for me. Price range I'm targeting is around $300 to $375. Fender makes a few models with built in DSP that are intriguing, the Fender FM 65 DSP 65 Watt 1x12 Frontman Combo Amp: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-FM-65DSP-65-Watt-1x12-Frontman-Combo-Amp-with-DSP?sku=483721 And the Line 6 Spider III 75 Modeling Combo: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-Spider-III-75-Modeling-Combo-Amplifier?sku=482272 So, right now, unless another model in the same price range and with similar features pops up, my choice is down to the Roland Cube 60, Fender FM 65, adn Line 6 Spider III 75. I am inclined to go for the Roland out of experience. I saw some poor reviews on the Fender, suggesting that the clean sound was harsh and bighty. The Spider apears to be a good rock amp. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Koenig" ark@acm.org >> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >> > compact guitar amp for >> > jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >> > etc? > > How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, > check > out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 01:04:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2193BEF0; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iuiWP6cSalBk77guiW6zdcuVSWDsGSYcI2ynBnqqWWrywngMpeXu7xyeKsHX9bfsx7xN53+QQXsvzTQsiEtlfAJhlJY+tfEfNO05S9I3pskOnqBv1yvmo3zTJyMgpvoE2KtiwwqSVRMpNDAkRW1yjJXZHAI6z6KDSw+TF23IzbU= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:04:47 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list In-Reply-To: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6L0H9.A.chF.xeJhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Y'all ain't from these here parts, are ya? All y'all come back now, y'hear! :-) Happy Holidays! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 02:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18FB53BEE8; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612170201.kBH21XYY050949@ns2.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:01:34 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:01:35 +0000 (UTC) I'd check out the vox amps in a similar price range if I were you. their modeling stuff is excellent and the effects are Korg in origin so stuff like delay chorus and verb are well rendered. Plus the 12ax7 tube they use in the power stage, does improve the feel and touch response, something that lacks a bit in modeling. Ho Ho Ho Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 02:31:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 332F23BEF3; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011501c72183$82d83bb0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200612170201.kBH21XYY050949@ns2.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:31:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Bill. Like this one, I suppose: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AD50VT/ Too bad they don't offer a Reverb + Delay effect combo, like the Roland Cubes. My only complaint about most of these amps is that they try to satisfy a very broad target audience, and so you get all the metal settings. So, speaking of dream Christmas list items, I wish someone would make a DSP amp just for jazzers: Amp Models: Roland JC-120, Boogie Mark III, Boogie Mark I, Fender Twin, Vintage Polytone Teeny Brute (1X10), Vintage Polytone Mega Brute (1X15), Vintage Fender Princeton, Vintage Vender Professional (1X15), Lab Series L5, Mesa Boogie DC-5, Gibson GA50, Evan AE150, Acoustic 134, etc Effects: Delay, Chous, Delay + Chorus, Delay + Reverb, Reverb + Delay, Tremelo, Compression, Reverb + Chorus + Delay (two of any effects at the same time, plus level adjust for each) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > I'd check out the vox amps in a similar price range if I were you. their > modeling stuff is excellent and the effects are Korg in origin so stuff > like > delay chorus and verb are well rendered. Plus the 12ax7 tube they use in > the > power stage, does improve the feel and touch response, something that > lacks a > bit in modeling. > Ho Ho Ho > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 02:52:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF2EB3BEF4; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c72186$514b1d80$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> Subject: Zoe's? (was: Looper's Christmas list) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:51:55 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:52:05 +0000 (UTC) http://www.ibva.com/ http://www.ibva.com/Step1/Step1.html#midi Raul. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:35 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list > On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's Christmas lists". :) > > Actually, since it's addressed to more than one person, it should be > "all y'all's Christmas lists". > > "y'all" is the formal second person singular -- the equivalent of > using "vous" to address an individual instead of "tu". > > "all y'all" is the second person plural. > > Or so I'm told. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 03:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3ED3BEF6; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c7218a$3dc7dba0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <200612170201.kBH21XYY050949@ns2.cruzio.com> <011501c72183$82d83bb0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:20:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:20:02 +0000 (UTC) I agree whole-heartedly. Almost every modeling amp & multi-effect always includes a real array of (for my purposes) useless patches. In my case (similar to Krispen's sentiments) the metal stuff doesn't get any use. What's even worse (I guess I'm lazy when it comes to organizing patches) is when one scrolls through that panoply and the gain on metal patches jumps up to '11'. My Cyber Twin is like that. Yikes! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > Good point, Bill. Like this one, I suppose: > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AD50VT/ > > Too bad they don't offer a Reverb + Delay effect combo, like the Roland > Cubes. > > My only complaint about most of these amps is that they try to satisfy a > very broad target audience, and so you get all the metal settings. > > So, speaking of dream Christmas list items, I wish someone would make a > DSP amp just for jazzers: > > Amp Models: > > Roland JC-120, Boogie Mark III, Boogie Mark I, Fender Twin, Vintage > Polytone Teeny Brute (1X10), Vintage Polytone Mega Brute (1X15), Vintage > Fender Princeton, Vintage Vender Professional (1X15), Lab Series L5, Mesa > Boogie DC-5, Gibson GA50, Evan AE150, Acoustic 134, etc > > Effects: > > Delay, Chous, Delay + Chorus, Delay + Reverb, Reverb + Delay, Tremelo, > Compression, Reverb + Chorus + Delay (two of any effects at the same time, > plus level adjust for each) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > >> I'd check out the vox amps in a similar price range if I were you. their >> modeling stuff is excellent and the effects are Korg in origin so stuff >> like >> delay chorus and verb are well rendered. Plus the 12ax7 tube they use in >> the >> power stage, does improve the feel and touch response, something that >> lacks a >> bit in modeling. >> Ho Ho Ho >> Bill >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 04:12:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009D23BEF7; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612170412.kBH4C9lC086835@ns2.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:12:10 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.24 Resent-Message-ID: <073YsC.A.atC.bOMhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:12:11 +0000 (UTC) actually what i like about the Vox modelers are they lean more towards vintage amp models, and less toward modern high gain stuff, also the ac 30 and its ilk have been embraced by the country and pop scene,in recent years and i think that sound has enormous potential for jazz and fusion as well. I recently spent some time with a PRS hollow body ( my former guitar... sniff) and a recent issue Chinese made AC15 with an alnico speaker. I kept marveling at how responsive and phat sounding the tone was. Clean enough and round enough for jazz, yet with enough teeth for blues and rock, simply by setting a sound, and using the guitars volume and tone controls. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 04:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A086B3BEFB; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c72157$fc387be0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> References: <004e01c72157$fc387be0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E4F8F4E-FA0B-4D4B-BDA3-7CF24A25B23B@zoekeating.com> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:13:59 -0800 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 0753c7ff-8d85-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1fPV4VVBxV PwYAb0wKbxowSFoe AWYLXURUVFdwXWl1 aERTaRtfYlRMWwF0 WEBWQFdQERpoT0dz fhprU3sBdwJFfXx5 K09rVz5bW0F5JkEr FFNcQWUDeGZhPDIC AkQMJB5UcAJLdhoR aVd4ByJDAzANdgk/ Ghc6NCx5MiheNC1P CggINRRUBy5y X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:14:08 +0000 (UTC) I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty impressed....but that was with a cello. On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>> compact guitar amp for >>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>> etc? > > How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool > over, check > out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 04:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D953BEF6; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <61623.19801.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61623.19801.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <806A66A2-F3A4-42B2-B4F3-C07BDD407C75@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:15:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 42f8b72c-8d85-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZVU6ClZ1 UkhJREJSEA9pBBYF BVAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox0P OkoiQxtAZWBkaWAX HkFYdQoadAEcdk1C aANiXCcFZHgGZy4y WgVvMzt0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHY7 QVgHDH0rGkodSj98 NFQtKkQdB1oUO156 NVo6RTpz X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:15:44 +0000 (UTC) it's gonna happen!!! hopefully before the ocean rises 4 1/2 feet...the other news today. On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> brain-controlled midi interface >> >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 04:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4D843BF0C; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001801c72186$514b1d80$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> <001801c72186$514b1d80$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <79EF2C8B-C5F9-480D-8C30-BF7F4E04B703@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Zoe's? (was: Looper's Christmas list) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:19:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: c0ca5a9d-8d85-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZVU6ClZ1 UkhJREJSEA9pCBYA AlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox0P OkouYWhDZWBla2Qd HkhbdE0HcFAbe05M Pk13AHsIfGQGMih9 FVM/NHVpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsEe0tZVgw7 Sl8ZSn1vAkQeFW17 CxshMlMGU11ZGUUo MEA9XFsDexsTEREf d1VF X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:19:17 +0000 (UTC) OMG I am so there. Thank you for the link! On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:51 PM, raul bonell wrote: > http://www.ibva.com/ > http://www.ibva.com/Step1/Step1.html#midi > > Raul. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 04:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03123BF02; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013f01c72195$c7beea50$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004e01c72157$fc387be0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> <4E4F8F4E-FA0B-4D4B-BDA3-7CF24A25B23B@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:42:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:42:41 +0000 (UTC) From: "Zoe Keating" >I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >impressed....but that was with a cello. Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can see how they would sound great for cello. It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to think boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned a few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a $200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my personal experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my playing technique. I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and amps. Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable gear that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, and are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys who have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 ($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps popping up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of old guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the latest greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music technology. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: > >>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>> compact guitar amp for >>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>> etc? >> >> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, >> check >> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 05:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC72D3BF07; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jftUc3obBNAixaJE8ewkJKKB31wKW3cSuNH3/IdhXZ2u/jQLEetL6T+BOzKItyJA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:06:06 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940dc8c758d3b9c09cc84957176565b9378350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with Mr. Hartung here. The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point of being moot in many cases. As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I can't imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able to justify the price tag. I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? I know that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea of doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. I could be well wrong here........... Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > >From: "Zoe Keating" > >>I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>impressed....but that was with a cello. > >Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though >they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice >amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can see >how they would sound great for cello. > >It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to think >boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned a >few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a >$200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really >isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my personal >experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like >out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my >playing technique. > >I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and amps. >Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable gear >that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some >hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, and >are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys who >have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a >fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar >like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. > >I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 >($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps popping >up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of old >guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and >JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the latest >greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >technology. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> >>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>> etc? >>> >>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, >>> check >>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 07:30:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C41A3BEEC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612170730.kBH7UmZD076497@mail02.peak.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:31:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Boss DR-202 Manual? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 5.222 (*****) FORGED_MUA_EUDORA,MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm back again after being up to my chin in music and other matters. I've been lurking on the archives to avoid the temptation of responding to threads and to keep focused on music and not the PC. Which is now a laptop, because the desktop toasted but that's another story. I'm back. With a question. I dropped off a bunch of music gear at my friendly neighborhood music store and came out with a bit of used kit, namely: a Boss DR-202 "Dr. Groove". It's fun but I'd like to have more fun with it and I don't have the manual. Do you have the PDF or could you point me to the PDF for this? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 15:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DBD23BEDC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c721f1$9d99b640$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:40:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:40:05 +0000 (UTC) There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or floor actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 million dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has been advertising more in the periodicals. My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is that used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I know, there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that every single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives the price up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good stuff (I picked up a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). Now (at least the ones I've visited the last few years) have cheap junk. And music stores that have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in Pittsburgh) have all the stuff priced way too high (is anyone paying those prices for, say, an old Yamaha midi sequencer?). Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. Guys with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought a gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that equates to the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be priced right but both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good stuff. Personally, I can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price point range. And I usually stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever spend more than that unless I won the lottery. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with Mr. > Hartung here. > The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point > of being moot in many cases. > As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is > absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted > and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I can't > imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able to > justify the price tag. > > I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just > fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a > Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson > Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I play. > Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? I know > that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea of > doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case > Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked > the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of > this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of > John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their > nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really > notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other > musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. > > Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an > amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. > > I could be well wrong here........... > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Krispen Hartung >>Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >> >>From: "Zoe Keating" >> >>>I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>>impressed....but that was with a cello. >> >>Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though >>they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice >>amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can >>see >>how they would sound great for cello. >> >>It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to >>think >>boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned >>a >>few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a >>$200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really >>isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my >>personal >>experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like >>out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my >>playing technique. >> >>I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and >>amps. >>Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable >>gear >>that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some >>hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, >>and >>are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys >>who >>have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >>model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >>overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a >>fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar >>like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. >> >>I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 >>($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps >>popping >>up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of >>old >>guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and >>JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the >>latest >>greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >>technology. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>>> etc? >>>> >>>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, >>>> check >>>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 16:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B1B3BEDB; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TvVfzN84+WhtuSgowOyfUT+Q2k18uvi+ZUZ2G96XcjWd7dqnto/FusFASprAJ2zaMexmdnpbeL1xt7ud2u8GEYxRnp8o0KxXKsVlaj4noobpCGWLxIFIDZ8ef7jBZzwRs/0v8vYo5iz01NbcrjTtCYXGdzxL8p1cjF3DKqrIagQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:12:43 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: EDP NextLoop question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3712_23090735.1166371963964" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:12:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3712_23090735.1166371963964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I was delighted to discover that on the EDP you could copy an existing loop over another already-recorded loop when using the MIDI commands for direct loop access (instead of the NextLoop button on the EFC-7). This has been something I've been wanting to do but hadn't discovered it in the manual. What I'm wondering is if there's a way to start with something in Loop1, then record that to Loop2 while overdubbing (I already know this can be done), and then go from Loop2 to Loop3, without pause, copying not Loop2, but Loop1 to Loop3, overdubbing as I go. This would allow me to set up a percussion track on Loop1, play a verse as Loop2 and then go straight to the chorus for Loop3 with no interruption. Currently I have to go back to Loop1 and the to Loop3. I'm doubting the software supports it, since it seems to violate one of the underlying principles of the Loop software, i.e. "All operations are based on the current playing loop", but it can't hurt to ask. TravisH ------=_Part_3712_23090735.1166371963964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I was delighted to discover that on the EDP you could copy an existing loop over another already-recorded loop when using the MIDI commands for direct loop access (instead of the NextLoop button on the EFC-7).  This has been something I've been wanting to do but hadn't discovered it in the manual. 

What I'm wondering is if there's a way to start with something in Loop1, then record that to Loop2 while overdubbing (I already know this can be done), and then go from Loop2 to Loop3, without pause, copying not Loop2, but Loop1 to Loop3, overdubbing as I go.  This would allow me to set up a percussion track on Loop1, play a verse as Loop2 and then go straight to the chorus for Loop3 with no interruption.  Currently I have to go back to Loop1 and the to Loop3.  I'm doubting the software supports it, since it seems to violate one of the underlying principles of the Loop software, i.e. "All operations are based on the current playing loop", but it can't hurt to ask.

TravisH
------=_Part_3712_23090735.1166371963964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 16:55:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CA613BECC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c901c721fc$1e166d90$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002e01c721f1$9d99b640$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:55:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:55:18 +0000 (UTC) what's also amazing is the change in yard/estate sale tactics. Years ago, before eBay, you could wander your neighborhood and find some good deals on things at yard sales.....I used to see musical instruments and old gear for decent prices. Now, with folks going to yard sales, buying junk, and selling it for profit on eBay, people are catching on and are asking more for items. They get on line and do the research to see what they can ask. Gone are the days of someone going to some old lady's yard sale and finding a mint and vintage Fender in a case in the attic, from her son who went to the war but never came back, and getting a stellar deal on it. This is an extreme, I admit. I used to think that 50% of new price was a fair deal on used gear. 15 years ago I used this rule and it worked fine. Now, as you mention below, you can find used gear sometimes going for 70% of the new price....it's crazy. Hell, I bought Behringer FCB controller several years ago, new from a music store, and some idiot bought it for more than what I paid for it on eBay....if he had done the research he could have got it new for less. It's like people go to eBay and lose their minds. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or floor > actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 million > dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has been > advertising more in the periodicals. > > My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is that > used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I know, > there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that every > single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives the price > up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good stuff (I picked up > a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). Now (at least the ones > I've visited the last few years) have cheap junk. And music stores that > have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in Pittsburgh) have all the stuff > priced way too high (is anyone paying those prices for, say, an old Yamaha > midi sequencer?). > > Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and > individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every > guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. Guys > with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. > > Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought a > gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that equates to > the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be priced right but > both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good stuff. Personally, I > can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price point range. And I usually > stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever > spend more than that unless I won the lottery. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Howell" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > >> Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with >> Mr. Hartung here. >> The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point >> of being moot in many cases. >> As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is >> absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted >> and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I >> can't imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able >> to justify the price tag. >> >> I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just >> fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a >> Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson >> Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I >> play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? >> I know that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea >> of doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case >> Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked >> the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of >> this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of >> John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their >> nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really >> notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other >> musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. >> >> Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an >> amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. >> >> I could be well wrong here........... >> >> Todd >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Krispen Hartung >>>Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >>> >>>From: "Zoe Keating" >>> >>>>I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>>>impressed....but that was with a cello. >>> >>>Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice >>>sounding....though >>>they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice >>>amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can >>>see >>>how they would sound great for cello. >>> >>>It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to >>>think >>>boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned >>>a >>>few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a >>>$200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" >>>really >>>isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my >>>personal >>>experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like >>>out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my >>>playing technique. >>> >>>I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and >>>amps. >>>Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable >>>gear >>>that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has >>>some >>>hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, >>>and >>>are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys >>>who >>>have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >>>model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >>>overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a >>>fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar >>>like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. >>> >>>I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 >>>($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps >>>popping >>>up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of >>>old >>>guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins >>>and >>>JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the >>>latest >>>greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >>>technology. >>> >>>Kris >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>>>> etc? >>>>> >>>>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, >>>>> check >>>>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 17:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7F83BEE0; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAO4MhUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNbwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217172300.01a51518@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:28:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1C77167B Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:28:58 +0000 (UTC) >Recently I was delighted to discover that on the EDP you could copy >an existing loop over another already-recorded loop when using the >MIDI commands for direct loop access (instead of the NextLoop button >on the EFC-7). This has been something I've been wanting to do but >hadn't discovered it in the manual. > >What I'm wondering is if there's a way to start with something in >Loop1, then record that to Loop2 while overdubbing (I already know >this can be done), and then go from Loop2 to Loop3, without pause, >copying not Loop2, but Loop1 to Loop3, overdubbing as I go. This >would allow me to set up a percussion track on Loop1, play a verse >as Loop2 and then go straight to the chorus for Loop3 with no >interruption. Currently I have to go back to Loop1 and the to >Loop3. I'm doubting the software supports it, since it seems to >violate one of the underlying principles of the Loop software, i.e. >"All operations are based on the current playing loop", but it can't >hurt to ask. > >Travis :-( essentially, this is one way which the edp dictates musical structure. Possibly what you want can be accomplished with the right MIDI controller. ie from loop2 send command to change to loop 1, and copy to loop3 all in one midi-button .. it *should* work ...can't do it with FCB1010 tho' andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 17:44:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDE3D3BEDF; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tDjTtrY05fCViBfHypqDzRsmFNL/ekwRlwJDuAUBrenrNWJjJRXIZY97QRcZQDpvNxZ2slfF/Co5liCuhUQtt7i4V+JKRYHQU9mLGIJaYTl6ynS4d+4P02O2VMwlKKSEi+5ZtY2DF8DoqIXadgIKsq6fc+nYXMVav84fIN4nGjo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:44:19 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217172300.01a51518@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5052_13308463.1166377459410" References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217172300.01a51518@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5052_13308463.1166377459410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't think that'd work--if from Loop2 you send a Loop1 message, you go into the lame duck period as it waits for Loop2 to complete (I have to the EDP set for quantised loop switching for this to make musical sense) before going into playback of Loop1. If you press Loop3 during the lame duck following the request for Loop1, I believe it just goes to Loop3 at the end of the lame duck, without transfering the audio playback to Loop1. Those two manual button presses are the same, I believe, as sending both MIDI notes in the same button press, but maybe I'm mistaken. TravisH On 12/17/06, a k butler wrote: > > > Possibly what you want can be accomplished with the right MIDI controller. > > ie from loop2 > send command to change to loop 1, and copy to loop3 all in one midi-button > .. it *should* work > > > ...can't do it with FCB1010 tho' > > andy butler > > ------=_Part_5052_13308463.1166377459410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't think that'd work--if from Loop2 you send a Loop1 message, you go into the lame duck period as it waits for Loop2 to complete (I have to the EDP set for quantised loop switching for this to make musical sense) before going into playback of Loop1.  If you press Loop3 during the lame duck following the request for Loop1, I believe it just goes to Loop3 at the end of the lame duck, without transfering the audio playback to Loop1.  Those two manual button presses are the same, I believe, as sending both MIDI notes in the same button press, but maybe I'm mistaken.

TravisH

On 12/17/06, a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Possibly what you want can be accomplished with the right MIDI controller.

ie from loop2
send command to change to loop 1, and copy to loop3 all in one midi-button
.. it   *should* work


...can't do it with FCB1010 tho'

andy butler


------=_Part_5052_13308463.1166377459410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 18:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082E53BEDC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01c901c721fc$1e166d90$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002e01c721f1$9d99b640$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> <01c901c721fc$1e166d90$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--906463438 Message-Id: <91c34cded72af33f71555e9b1f42fa61@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:14:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--906463438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well... I also knew (back in the pre Ebay day) antique dealers who would go to yard sales, live auctions, estate sales and buy stuff and pay peanuts for it and sell it for a fortune. So in a way Ebay has been good for those folks who in the past would have sold their dead soldier brothers' 55 Tele for $200. Of course, it's absurd what folks pay in auctions. This is true in live auctions too. You get into a frenzy and lose your mind. I went to ONE and will never go again. It's like Las Vegas on acid. But if any of you ever decide to sell your 1940 Ford or early 60s gold top Les Paul for half of what it sold for new, please let me know. Now... I wrote this email that follows this morning and wasn't going to send it because it's long winded. But because the thread is still alive here we go: Well... I think you're incredibly right on pricing of vintage gear. On the other hand, it's like property in Marin California or Portland Oregon! They're just not making any more of it. Fender amps have gone though the ceiling. Some amps I sold like five years ago I could get double for now. And I sold them for very high prices. Some of the new boutique amps cost about as much as a tweed Fender Twin or Deluxe! So I reckon for some folks it's an investment - like buying a Martin D 45 and storing it for three years or a PRS Dragon and waiting a year or two and selling it for more. But it's a roll of the dice. Who can say when the bottom falls out? It might... but then it might NOT! Soon enough China will be like Japan - buying North American history. So this could mean the prices will continue to rise. It's a well known fact that folks are buying vintage guitars for investment. Some who aren't musicians! So in a way some of this is out of our hands and irrelevant to the working musician. We are on outer edge of a booming antique business. A good friend of mine is a treasure trove of cultural information. He follows the culture very closely and, being bound in a wheelchair, watches LOTS of television, reads lots of magazines, ponders the nature and fate of the universe a lot... etc. He's predicted music trends better than any magazine pundit I've read - dead on years in advance. He says that in the future hand made stuff from 20th century North American culture will be priceless. For those of us old enough, we know we lived through a MAJOR cultural revolution and historical event. For the remainder of human history, that stuff from those times touched by those fingers who SAW The Beatles or Hendrix or Dylan will be valuable. Just as antique Shaker furniture is now. But... just how valuable I don't know. I know I love playing my 1934 National thinking of the hands that have held it, wondering what they played, where they lived. It's fascinating. I wouldn't pay what it's worth now... but I do enjoy the vicarious mysteries that ooze out of its resonator and fret board. If you've ever experienced it, you know what I mean. Just to confuse things, I DO play my brand new (2006) little Ron Phillips parlor resonator guitar more than any other piece I own. And truth is, some old amps just sound amazingly good. Sometimes the differences are subtle compared to newer ones, or so people say, but when you're out there on the edge of a solo hanging on by a twig, every little bit helps! Or that's my experience. Is it worth twice or three times a much? Not if it costs too much of your TIME. And, to me, therein lies the rub. If you're wealthy and can afford vintage gear and you still have PLENTY time to practice, then Hari Bol! But if not, buy a decent amp and guitar, have it set up well and go to town and ignore the Ebay Weird Hall of Mirrors. Great music will rise regardless. And, I can't remember who said it but I love the quote, "No one's ever heard someone walking down the street and whistling the sound of vintage Pultec EQ!" There's so much to learn. So many songs to write, scales to learn, gear to conquer. And families to feed richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > what's also amazing is the change in yard/estate sale tactics. Years > ago, before eBay, you could wander your neighborhood and find some > good deals on things at yard sales.....I used to see musical > instruments and old gear for decent prices. Now, with folks going to > yard sales, buying junk, and selling it for profit on eBay, people are > catching on and are asking more for items. They get on line and do the > research to see what they can ask. Gone are the days of someone going > to some old lady's yard sale and finding a mint and vintage Fender in > a case in the attic, from her son who went to the war but never came > back, and getting a stellar deal on it. This is an extreme, I admit. > > I used to think that 50% of new price was a fair deal on used gear. 15 > years ago I used this rule and it worked fine. Now, as you mention > below, you can find used gear sometimes going for 70% of the new > price....it's crazy. Hell, I bought Behringer FCB controller several > years ago, new from a music store, and some idiot bought it for more > than what I paid for it on eBay....if he had done the research he > could have got it new for less. It's like people go to eBay and lose > their minds. > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > >> There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or >> floor actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 >> million dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has >> been advertising more in the periodicals. >> >> My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is >> that used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I >> know, there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that >> every single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives >> the price up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good >> stuff (I picked up a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). >> Now (at least the ones I've visited the last few years) have cheap >> junk. And music stores that have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in >> Pittsburgh) have all the stuff priced way too high (is anyone paying >> those prices for, say, an old Yamaha midi sequencer?). >> >> Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and >> individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every >> guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. >> Guys with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. >> >> Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought >> a gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that >> equates to the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be >> priced right but both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good >> stuff. Personally, I can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price >> point range. And I usually stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or >> Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever spend more than that unless I won >> the lottery. >> >> Paul >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM >> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >> >> >>> Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement >>> with Mr. Hartung here. >>> The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the >>> point of being moot in many cases. >>> As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is >>> absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well >>> crafted and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. >>> However. I can't imagine most people, even the pornographically >>> wealthy, being able to justify the price tag. >>> >>> I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes >>> just fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 >>> used, a Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, >>> and a Gibson Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current >>> context that I play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously >>> boutique-ish gear, why? I know that alot of it probably sound grand, >>> but for most of us, the idea of doing things like paying the >>> mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case Border Collie and Tabbies) >>> and most of all not winding up getting kicked the curb or at least >>> wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of this to make >>> sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of John Q. >>> Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their nachos >>> or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really >>> notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for >>> other musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. >>> >>> Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an >>> amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. >>> >>> I could be well wrong here........... >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Krispen Hartung >>>> Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >>>> >>>> From: "Zoe Keating" >>>> >>>>> I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>>>> impressed....but that was with a cello. >>>> >>>> Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice >>>> sounding....though >>>> they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but >>>> really nice >>>> amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). >>>> I can see >>>> how they would sound great for cello. >>>> >>>> It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used >>>> to think >>>> boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've >>>> owned a >>>> few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find >>>> that a >>>> $200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" >>>> really >>>> isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my >>>> personal >>>> experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone >>>> I like >>>> out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars >>>> and my >>>> playing technique. >>>> >>>> I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars >>>> and amps. >>>> Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very >>>> affordable gear >>>> that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here >>>> has some >>>> hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just >>>> amazing, and >>>> are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some >>>> guys who >>>> have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >>>> model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >>>> overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something >>>> for a >>>> fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a >>>> guitar >>>> like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. >>>> >>>> I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland >>>> Cube 60 >>>> ($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps >>>> popping >>>> up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a >>>> bunch of old >>>> guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender >>>> Twins and >>>> JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all >>>> the latest >>>> greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >>>> technology. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>>>>> etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool >>>>>> over, >>>>>> check >>>>>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-1--906463438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well... I also knew (back in the pre Ebay day) antique dealers who would go to yard sales, live auctions, estate sales and buy stuff and pay peanuts for it and sell it for a fortune. So in a way Ebay has been good for those folks who in the past would have sold their dead soldier brothers' 55 Tele for $200. Of course, it's absurd what folks pay in auctions. This is true in live auctions too. You get into a frenzy and lose your mind. I went to ONE and will never go again. It's like Las Vegas on acid. But if any of you ever decide to sell your 1940 Ford or early 60s gold top Les Paul for half of what it sold for new, please let me know. Now... I wrote this email that follows this morning and wasn't going to send it because it's long winded. But because the thread is still alive here we go: Well... I think you're incredibly right on pricing of vintage gear. On the other hand, it's like property in Marin California or Portland Oregon! They're just not making any more of it. Fender amps have gone though the ceiling. Some amps I sold like five years ago I could get double for now. And I sold them for very high prices. Some of the new boutique amps cost about as much as a tweed Fender Twin or Deluxe! So I reckon for some folks it's an investment - like buying a Martin D 45 and storing it for three years or a PRS Dragon and waiting a year or two and selling it for more. But it's a roll of the dice. Who can say when the bottom falls out? It might... but then it might NOT! Soon enough China will be like Japan - buying North American history. So this could mean the prices will continue to rise. It's a well known fact that folks are buying vintage guitars for investment. Some who aren't musicians! So in a way some of this is out of our hands and irrelevant to the working musician. We are on outer edge of a booming antique business. A good friend of mine is a treasure trove of cultural information. He follows the culture very closely and, being bound in a wheelchair, watches LOTS of television, reads lots of magazines, ponders the nature and fate of the universe a lot... etc. He's predicted music trends better than any magazine pundit I've read - dead on years in advance. He says that in the future hand made stuff from 20th century North American culture will be priceless. For those of us old enough, we know we lived through a MAJOR cultural revolution and historical event. For the remainder of human history, that stuff from those times touched by those fingers who SAW The Beatles or Hendrix or Dylan will be valuable. Just as antique Shaker furniture is now. But... just how valuable I don't know. I know I love playing my 1934 National thinking of the hands that have held it, wondering what they played, where they lived. It's fascinating. I wouldn't pay what it's worth now... but I do enjoy the vicarious mysteries that ooze out of its resonator and fret board. If you've ever experienced it, you know what I mean. Just to confuse things, I DO play my brand new (2006) little Ron Phillips parlor resonator guitar more than any other piece I own. And truth is, some old amps just sound amazingly good. Sometimes the differences are subtle compared to newer ones, or so people say, but when you're out there on the edge of a solo hanging on by a twig, every little bit helps! Or that's my experience. Is it worth twice or three times a much? Not if it costs too much of your TIME. And, to me, therein lies the rub. If you're wealthy and can afford vintage gear and you still have PLENTY time to practice, then Hari Bol! But if not, buy a decent amp and guitar, have it set up well and go to town and ignore the Ebay Weird Hall of Mirrors. Great music will rise regardless. And, I can't remember who said it but I love the quote, "No one's ever heard someone walking down the street and whistling the sound of vintage Pultec EQ!" There's so much to learn. So many songs to write, scales to learn, gear to conquer. And families to feed Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: what's also amazing is the change in yard/estate sale tactics. Years ago, before eBay, you could wander your neighborhood and find some good deals on things at yard sales.....I used to see musical instruments and old gear for decent prices. Now, with folks going to yard sales, buying junk, and selling it for profit on eBay, people are catching on and are asking more for items. They get on line and do the research to see what they can ask. Gone are the days of someone going to some old lady's yard sale and finding a mint and vintage Fender in a case in the attic, from her son who went to the war but never came back, and getting a stellar deal on it. This is an extreme, I admit. I used to think that 50% of new price was a fair deal on used gear. 15 years ago I used this rule and it worked fine. Now, as you mention below, you can find used gear sometimes going for 70% of the new price....it's crazy. Hell, I bought Behringer FCB controller several years ago, new from a music store, and some idiot bought it for more than what I paid for it on eBay....if he had done the research he could have got it new for less. It's like people go to eBay and lose their minds. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" < To: < Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or floor actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 million dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has been advertising more in the periodicals. My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is that used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I know, there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that every single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives the price up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good stuff (I picked up a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). Now (at least the ones I've visited the last few years) have cheap junk. And music stores that have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in Pittsburgh) have all the stuff priced way too high (is anyone paying those prices for, say, an old Yamaha midi sequencer?). Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. Guys with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought a gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that equates to the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be priced right but both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good stuff. Personally, I can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price point range. And I usually stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever spend more than that unless I won the lottery. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" < To: < Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with Mr. Hartung here. The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point of being moot in many cases. As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I can't imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able to justify the price tag. I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? I know that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea of doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. I could be well wrong here........... Todd -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung < Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... From: "Zoe Keating" < I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty impressed....but that was with a cello. Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can see how they would sound great for cello. It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to think boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned a few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a $200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my personal experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my playing technique. I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and amps. Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable gear that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, and are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys who have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 ($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps popping up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of old guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the latest greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music technology. Kris ----- Original Message ----- On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: Anyone have any ideas for a small, compact guitar amp for jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, etc? How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, check out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. --Apple-Mail-1--906463438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 18:16:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01A973BEE4; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKYYhUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNbwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217175220.01b6f010@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:15:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217172300.01a51518@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1C77167B Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:16:04 +0000 (UTC) At 17:44 17/12/2006, you wrote: >I don't think that'd work--if from Loop2 you send a Loop1 message, >you go into the lame duck period as it waits for Loop2 to complete >(I have to the EDP set for quantised loop switching for this to make >musical sense) before going into playback of Loop1. If you press >Loop3 during the lame duck following the request for Loop1, I >believe it just goes to Loop3 at the end of the lame duck, without >transfering the audio playback to Loop1. Those two manual button >presses are the same, I believe, as sending both MIDI notes in the >same button press, but maybe I'm mistaken. > >TravisH SwitchQuant = OFF would make work then or SwitchQuant = CnF and send commands loop1,Undo(to go to loop1), copy-to-loop3 ..but yes, you're right it won't work quantised +++++++++ How about 1) record loop1 2) copy to loop2 3) back to loop1, but start Overdubbing right away ( either put loop1 into O/D before leaving it, or use SwitchQuant=CnF and use Overdub button to go to loop1) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 19:11:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BAB73BEE6; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oxcHY+fu7zbPLZvRErzW6/sWWs4xUULER1keqDJ1h3MeBc0mfdBqRNTipbjriZQBMaY7UcV0F2zvXthRdQLiZ7J1uIgfFLj0qqh+A39x5qUFQsr6IFcewxp6OU7KC3V3IjiiMetWuzrfrbODEIMaXZd4H3f1RrJ6c1kJpFPYres= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:11:10 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217175220.01b6f010@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6368_5911815.1166382670966" References: <7.0.0.16.0.20061217172300.01a51518@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20061217175220.01b6f010@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:11:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6368_5911815.1166382670966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That might work for songs with a two part structure, which'd be good, but I was hoping to also have an option to put in a middle-eight section. Maybe I could back to Loop1, overdub the chorus part, copy that to Loop3, go back to Loop1, Undo the last overdub, then put the middle 8 there... TravisH On 12/17/06, a k butler wrote: > > > +++++++++ > > How about > > 1) record loop1 > 2) copy to loop2 > 3) back to loop1, but start Overdubbing right away ( either put loop1 > into O/D before leaving it, or use SwitchQuant=CnF and use Overdub > button to go to loop1) > > > > andybutler > > ------=_Part_6368_5911815.1166382670966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That might work for songs with a two part structure, which'd be good, but I was hoping to also have an option to put in a middle-eight section.  Maybe I could back to Loop1, overdub the chorus part, copy that to Loop3, go back to Loop1, Undo the last overdub, then put the middle 8 there...

TravisH

On 12/17/06, a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

+++++++++

How about

1) record loop1
2) copy to loop2
3) back to loop1, but start Overdubbing right away ( either put loop1
into O/D before leaving it, or use SwitchQuant=CnF and use Overdub
button to go to loop1)



andybutler


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 00:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0393E3BEB8; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.254] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061217165518.9813D3BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: guitar amps Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:55:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2006 00:55:53.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[44CC4430:01C7223F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I think for small portable the polytone is very tatsty. I find the roland stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the polytone is sweet.No bells and whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and have seen 2-3 for 50 that needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power supply problems,or maybe a cap. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 01:24:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EF3D3BEDD; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.254] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061218005557.A3A7A3BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #899 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:24:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2006 01:24:06.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[35F8A7B0:01C72243] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:24:08 +0000 (UTC) As for vintage prices the first half of the 20th century saw people whose families had worked for generations,finally w/ the means of production in their own hands at a time when invention was the hottest commodity. And they had a high degree of pride in craftsmanship.War production supercharged the assembly lines,(keynesian princiles at work) and the selling point for products was novelty-be the first one on your block.Anything that was old,( not just incredible musical instruments,but victorian and craftsman houses,Incredible ArtDeco pleasure palace theaters etc.)was sharply devalued.Anyone coming of age from the 59s through the 70s has a fairly distorted view because you could get real treasures from the dump ,the flea market ,attics and basements,for next to nothing ,or even nothing.I was w/ someone who bought an early 50s Fender Broadcaster, ( the original name for a Tele)serial #605,if I recall correctly,for 80 bucks in 1976. I can't imagine what it would go for now. But really some of those very same people have helped drive the prices to insane extremes the other direction. 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Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD8963BEDD; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4nW5J9Vqby5BsBUkJoKq7Ss5AUPmAfNZvAQkL7kKEwv/92MiyWIXSR67Gf0j9t2IHbwpiN+oJmdZ6Uyv38mea3DlAjMHEvMPPklAnyz8teMs0rfN+k02OfLSRs67LJ4XWUuayWjme5G5eEAtMt4zcTjDDfOV8PgxLlvaNwEFpIs=; X-YMail-OSG: cpLuRxwVM1kazmIt.cPB5XLbtMU9QVEnKY.GjC_0eeFTbGqaSgoQ63wS2dd83lXnxZRvcB.PnkyCUkqc_PRlb3ZBH_swQYO6Eek.fxAJIr5JcTCNbLeOVFPxdP2I1p8wY3JkdgppdjoZnNI- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <91c34cded72af33f71555e9b1f42fa61@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531257.81020.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) > Well... I also knew (back in the pre Ebay day) > antique dealers who > would go to yard sales, live auctions, estate sales > and buy stuff and > pay peanuts for it and sell it for a fortune. We just had a yard sale yesterday and I can confirm that still happens. I love having a yard sale. It's amazing to me to see the people who get there before you open because they want to find the 62 Stratacastor you're selling for $30. The $5 Stratavarius. Wee! Ebay's probably killed a bit of this. That said, I went on ebay the night before and got an idea of what some of my "higher ticket" items were selling for and priced them for less. If someone wants to spend the time trapsing around in SF traffic to find some treasures to make a buck for, then have at it. I just need some space in my house for things I no longer use very much. That's the reality of it. Welcome to capitalism, USA styleeeee. Some of it we didn't price at all and when a family showed up in a 92 Honda Civic who obviously was looking to furnish their kitchen inexpensively, got it for next to nothing. Really I just like good stuff to find a loving home. It todally depends. I just sold my Repeater on ebay for way way too much. I've also sold things for less than they were worth. It's a crapshoot. One thing about ebay is that in a sense you really only pay *what you're willing to pay* and no more. If you are filthy rich and have to buy a Repeater quick, well then have at it. Mine went for a lot more than my "buy it now" price. Maybe it's my fame as a rock star? Always blame it on the rock stars. ;) The Repeater was obviously not at the yard sale, nor were a few other choise tidbits that do bring in a bit of money via ebay. It will take me time and effort to put them up there though, and that's all part of it. If you're willing to do the work, you can often make more money. I think that might be a universal principal. Don't blame it on the rock stars. I didn't recognize a single one at my yard sale, but I was happy to sell my $130 Gracey Guitar Stand to a musician for $25 so I wouldn't have do deal with packing and shipping it. Mark --- Richard Sales wrote: So in > a way Ebay has > been good for those folks who in the past would have > sold their dead > soldier brothers' 55 Tele for $200. Of course, > it's absurd what folks > pay in auctions. This is true in live auctions too. > You get into a > frenzy and lose your mind. I went to ONE and will > never go again. > It's like Las Vegas on acid. > > But if any of you ever decide to sell your 1940 Ford > or early 60s gold > top Les Paul for half of what it sold for new, > please let me know. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:35:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 202F23BECF; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022d01c7224d$392f5d20$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:35:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:35:50 +0000 (UTC) The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the gain on them, as that produces what could likely be the most nasty sounding distortion on the planet earth)...however, having used many models of Polytones in my guitar playing history, I find that they are a generally a one-dimensional amp. Most guys I know using them are using good sized archtop guitars, which is what I did. The polytones are designed to have a very flat frequency response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique sound of a big bodied archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp for accordion players. But for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix of traditional clean tones with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike Stearn, Scofield, etc - I don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's not that sort of amp. I keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the Roland Cube 60, Fender FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps pop up in jazz guitar discussion forums over, and over again. One just found out that one of my favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an mind-blowing modern jazz guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto area), is also using the Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to produce a very clean tone (like a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp that will get dirty when you push it. I never believed it until I use them, but amps like the Cube 60 even have the ability to produce that "spongy" feel of tube amps. I think it's just amazing what they've done with them...so, for the versatile jazz guitarist who has to switch from traditional jazz, to smooth jazz, to modern jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, these DSP amps are the cat's meow. I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an amp. I've never played an amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by adjusting the EQ...roll off the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn the tone down on the guitar a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar players to "silkify" their tones. Although I've heard some tube purists say that solid state amps in general are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified claim as well. Once you tweak a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound harsh..."harshness" is not the right term, in my opition..rather, it's that "sponginess" I mentioned, the fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, that they change throughout the duration of a performance as they heat up (which annoys the shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an easy characteristic to change, but these more organic features of tube amps are more difficult to emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really good at it...enough so for that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because they run cool, don't require tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the best of all worlds. I don't know who a Roland could be regarded as harsh...turn the treble and presence to 0...the last thing it will be is harsh...incredibly undefined, but not harsh. Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The George Benson model? I used to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing amps, with built in compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run a L5 one one site, and a Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, where I had to compete with an 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: guitar amps > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I think for small portable the polytone is very tatsty. I find the roland > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the polytone is sweet.No bells and > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and have seen 2-3 for 50 that > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power supply problems,or maybe a > cap. > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:47:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E100E3BED8; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1XGVFiiIuGkA9fDHAl29xDCBa0IXrQohW6g+Ms1b0G2rvvw/0jb7dJeUP6j0DDxu6smhvDAzqdS/Wl6CZtQGyqzVKL5W3Vou94RqAF6ujtXoggvhgH/dEhvqK4g/dcnWIAPTrLrFUcA5wl/cZIYlVAOOPVA+YN//yiaNQcgnUT8=; X-YMail-OSG: 7DKlvrwVM1mPR68SW84AlzGF67P0yFhsItOgNIuD2nWrSnDUcFMOaD3EAJgfo_H9dIFP9Rt47lZqM76I2kVKf8qZxmbojn77QDBo5b4SnuRdGpWtxHl18MiDPtNQVjWV3HW_K0ATT9mP.Q4- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022d01c7224d$392f5d20$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:47:35 +0000 (UTC) I think we've been over this before, but since you seem to be happy with many of the modelers around (as am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or powered PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good for bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard sounds though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one floor unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground anyway. I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold sounding but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ was all they needed though. Why have the bells and whistles in the amp? Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the > gain on them, as that > produces what could likely be the most nasty > sounding distortion on the > planet earth)...however, having used many models of > Polytones in my guitar > playing history, I find that they are a generally a > one-dimensional amp. > Most guys I know using them are using good sized > archtop guitars, which is > what I did. The polytones are designed to have a > very flat frequency > response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique > sound of a big bodied > archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp > for accordion players. But > for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix of > traditional clean tones > with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike > Stearn, Scofield, etc - I > don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's > not that sort of amp. I > keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the > Roland Cube 60, Fender > FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps pop > up in jazz guitar > discussion forums over, and over again. One just > found out that one of my > favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an > mind-blowing modern jazz > guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto > area), is also using the > Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to produce > a very clean tone (like > a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp that > will get dirty when you > push it. I never believed it until I use them, but > amps like the Cube 60 > even have the ability to produce that "spongy" feel > of tube amps. I think > it's just amazing what they've done with them...so, > for the versatile jazz > guitarist who has to switch from traditional jazz, > to smooth jazz, to modern > jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, > these DSP amps are the > cat's meow. > > I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an > amp. I've never played an > amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by > adjusting the EQ...roll off > the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn the > tone down on the guitar > a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar players > to "silkify" their tones. > Although I've heard some tube purists say that solid > state amps in general > are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified claim > as well. Once you tweak > a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound > harsh..."harshness" is not the > right term, in my opition..rather, it's that > "sponginess" I mentioned, the > fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, > that they change > throughout the duration of a performance as they > heat up (which annoys the > shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an easy > characteristic to > change, but these more organic features of tube amps > are more difficult to > emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really > good at it...enough so for > that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because they > run cool, don't require > tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the best > of all worlds. I don't > know who a Roland could be regarded as harsh...turn > the treble and presence > to 0...the last thing it will be is > harsh...incredibly undefined, but not > harsh. > > Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The > George Benson model? I used > to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD > sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I > used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing > amps, with built in > compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run a > L5 one one site, and a > Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, where I > had to compete with an > 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. > > K- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samba -" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM > Subject: guitar amps > > > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > I think for small portable the polytone is very > tatsty. I find the roland > > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the polytone > is sweet.No bells and > > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and have > seen 2-3 for 50 that > > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power supply > problems,or maybe a > > cap. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. > Get a free 90-day trial! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:58:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 963E33BED9; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:58:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly into my Mackie 1x10 speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. I have a thing about being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy my guitar and a combo amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have to setup for a gig like that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: guitar amps >I think we've been over this before, but since you > seem to be happy with many of the modelers around (as > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or powered > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good for > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard sounds > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one floor > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground > anyway. > > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold sounding > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ was > all they needed though. Why have the bells and > whistles in the amp? > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the >> gain on them, as that >> produces what could likely be the most nasty >> sounding distortion on the >> planet earth)...however, having used many models of >> Polytones in my guitar >> playing history, I find that they are a generally a >> one-dimensional amp. >> Most guys I know using them are using good sized >> archtop guitars, which is >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have a >> very flat frequency >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique >> sound of a big bodied >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp >> for accordion players. But >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix of >> traditional clean tones >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's >> not that sort of amp. I >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the >> Roland Cube 60, Fender >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps pop >> up in jazz guitar >> discussion forums over, and over again. One just >> found out that one of my >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an >> mind-blowing modern jazz >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto >> area), is also using the >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to produce >> a very clean tone (like >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp that >> will get dirty when you >> push it. I never believed it until I use them, but >> amps like the Cube 60 >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" feel >> of tube amps. I think >> it's just amazing what they've done with them...so, >> for the versatile jazz >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional jazz, >> to smooth jazz, to modern >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, >> these DSP amps are the >> cat's meow. >> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an >> amp. I've never played an >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by >> adjusting the EQ...roll off >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn the >> tone down on the guitar >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar players >> to "silkify" their tones. >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that solid >> state amps in general >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified claim >> as well. Once you tweak >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound >> harsh..."harshness" is not the >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, >> that they change >> throughout the duration of a performance as they >> heat up (which annoys the >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an easy >> characteristic to >> change, but these more organic features of tube amps >> are more difficult to >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really >> good at it...enough so for >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because they >> run cool, don't require >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the best >> of all worlds. I don't >> know who a Roland could be regarded as harsh...turn >> the treble and presence >> to 0...the last thing it will be is >> harsh...incredibly undefined, but not >> harsh. >> >> Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The >> George Benson model? I used >> to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD >> sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I >> used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing >> amps, with built in >> compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run a >> L5 one one site, and a >> Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, where I >> had to compete with an >> 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. >> >> K- >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "samba -" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM >> Subject: guitar amps >> >> >> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > I think for small portable the polytone is very >> tatsty. I find the roland >> > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the polytone >> is sweet.No bells and >> > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and have >> seen 2-3 for 50 that >> > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power supply >> problems,or maybe a >> > cap. >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. >> Get a free 90-day trial! >> > >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 04:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB15D3BED0; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061218043338.2610.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QzD7f+Gtrhy6uVW+jCrV3RnpBZNUcnGuo6wi8c6ZIZEREyzc9xByqZoL5SVunGLwB+wINMgjS9HhwvY2t18BKgovhtyEBmq6y4h96PZSZIYI3rqSKTjZkXYF93f1BSNwtDJKO0vEbYrmbWqDG3g6XLrF6Nf0qnRLmyXW0Mj0zZw=; X-YMail-OSG: syUiK1UVM1nPaD5yZ42QU4CdanJrAdkv_99Zur8.J9LP.9P.Bs2Ks4p9bH5KUoDOXW_c286QFIFEWZBbHnKSVleRAV5OId0PE9pzRgfl0QP99rOX7qMZsQ-- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going to have to have at least one thing on the floor anyway" so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure it's kind of a controller at the same time too. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly > into my Mackie 1x10 > speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. > I have a thing about > being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy > my guitar and a combo > amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have > to setup for a gig like > that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: guitar amps > > > >I think we've been over this before, but since you > > seem to be happy with many of the modelers around > (as > > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or > powered > > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? > > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good > for > > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard > sounds > > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one > floor > > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground > > anyway. > > > > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold > sounding > > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ > was > > all they needed though. Why have the bells and > > whistles in the amp? > > > > Mark > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the > >> gain on them, as that > >> produces what could likely be the most nasty > >> sounding distortion on the > >> planet earth)...however, having used many models > of > >> Polytones in my guitar > >> playing history, I find that they are a generally > a > >> one-dimensional amp. > >> Most guys I know using them are using good sized > >> archtop guitars, which is > >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have a > >> very flat frequency > >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique > >> sound of a big bodied > >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp > >> for accordion players. But > >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix > of > >> traditional clean tones > >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike > >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I > >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's > >> not that sort of amp. I > >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the > >> Roland Cube 60, Fender > >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps > pop > >> up in jazz guitar > >> discussion forums over, and over again. One just > >> found out that one of my > >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an > >> mind-blowing modern jazz > >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto > >> area), is also using the > >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to > produce > >> a very clean tone (like > >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp > that > >> will get dirty when you > >> push it. I never believed it until I use them, > but > >> amps like the Cube 60 > >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" > feel > >> of tube amps. I think > >> it's just amazing what they've done with > them...so, > >> for the versatile jazz > >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional > jazz, > >> to smooth jazz, to modern > >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, > >> these DSP amps are the > >> cat's meow. > >> > >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an > >> amp. I've never played an > >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by > >> adjusting the EQ...roll off > >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn > the > >> tone down on the guitar > >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar > players > >> to "silkify" their tones. > >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that > solid > >> state amps in general > >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified > claim > >> as well. Once you tweak > >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound > >> harsh..."harshness" is not the > >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that > >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the > >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, > >> that they change > >> throughout the duration of a performance as they > >> heat up (which annoys the > >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an > easy > >> characteristic to > >> change, but these more organic features of tube > amps > >> are more difficult to > >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really > >> good at it...enough so for > >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because > they > >> run cool, don't require > >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the > best > >> of all worlds. I don't > >> know who a Roland could be regarded as > harsh...turn > >> the treble and presence > >> to 0...the last thing it will be is > >> harsh...incredibly undefined, but not > >> harsh. > >> > >> Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The > >> George Benson model? I used > >> to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD > >> sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I > >> used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing > >> amps, with built in > >> compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run > a > >> L5 one one site, and a > >> Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, > where I > >> had to compete with an > >> 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. > >> > >> K- > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "samba -" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM > >> Subject: guitar amps > >> > >> > >> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > > >> > I think for small portable the polytone is very > >> tatsty. I find the roland > >> > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the > polytone > >> is sweet.No bells and > >> > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and > have > >> seen 2-3 for 50 that > >> > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power > supply > >> problems,or maybe a > >> > cap. > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > All-in-one security and maintenance for your > PC. > >> Get a free 90-day trial! > >> > > >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 04:40:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B39D3BED0; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=V1tOKJLtbbrn6yltDJKElbeuYJu5IWwTG00vilX5gz3OoO/mlDofGd0dxhIowvpoAaq1E7kcKeadsUU0AJdBCr+J5mnfxGnqvXP2sJnmL+ZSV3gd2PVBvGbCmBBCe+80bhmE7mcDSN6CfwyUecI9ILK9ZCK8HpqsvST/ceTGxKc=; X-YMail-OSG: jPFn.QwVM1mzaFtdXlrVxYhfxoS22Vr8O3JVzXa.Tw52E9XEOrC1G.es_Iqv6odV0zlqgOD8NXnkabQa60z44nqNHdG.T81OnI245vaK6l.uiMsvd1lf5bQK_xHdP.hdbHC5oNzk9w5gzPU- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: 6 space SKB rack cheap/trade to a good home To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <523976.318.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of high ebay/yardsale prices. I now have an empty SKB ROTO rack sitting in my dining room that needs a good home. I paid something like a hundred for it, but mostly I'd like to just give it a nice home. Here's the catch. I don't want to ship it. Too big for me to carry on BART. So, if you're a looper in the bay area and need one, let me know. If you'd like to give me a bit of cash for it, that would be sweet. I'm downsizing stuff so I don't need anything, but perhaps a little pedel of some sort you no longer use might be fun. If you're making your living doing music and are a broke ass mutha, come bring me a CD. Most I just would like it to fall in the hands of a looper. God bless us all! EVERYONE! (PS, I'm in the Outer Mission section of SF) Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 09:34:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2013C3BEDB; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.117] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061218043340.5D9AF3BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #900 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:34:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2006 09:34:43.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF8544E0:01C72287] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:34:46 +0000 (UTC) As for rock stars driving prices up,I witnessed Pete Townsends tech having all the dealers and shops in town set up a room full of vintage guitars in the hotel ,so they could cherry pick,and he told me they did that in every US city on the tour.Those kind of guys have vaults full of the best guitars and are a major factor in driving up the prices.That was years ago,but that's how it got rolling.That's biz. Point taken about harshness.I have a 70s Ibanez semihollow-same one as scofeild,and I like clean buttery sort of tone .Still is someone wants some snarl there are millions of stompboxes- a tonebone and a polytone and you could get some pretty good fusion tones. _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 11:40:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04B03BEE1; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:40:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-18_01:2006-12-15,2006-12-15,2006-12-18 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612180007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:40:53 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly into my Mackie 1x10 > speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. I have a thing > about being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy my guitar > and a combo amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have to > setup for a gig like that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K kris; here's a great little amp for a no frills solid state "straight up" jazz amp: << http://www.jazzamp.com/index.asp >>. no bells/ whistles but great eq section and "put the others to shame" jazz tone. for tubes and lots of ins/ outs (effects loop, xlr out, channel switching etc.) in a small powerful package, I've found the: << http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=1&cat=18&id=251 >> to be real good all around amp. I followed the lead of most reviews and replaced the stock "Sovtek" tubes with "EuroTubes" for a smoother tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 11:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E423BEE6; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1615691 From: "Peter A. Schmid" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:43:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c72299$cfdb1290$1302a8c0@PASCHMID2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccimWAKs2+28/B+TUOZQrWXeGAYJQAAEpKw X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <2lkUIC.A.P0.R8nhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Too much mails the day for me... Peter A.Schmid Im Lot 14 CH-8610 Uster +41 44 994 45 87 mobil +41 79 610 17 15 www.paschart.ch -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 18. Dezember 2006 12:41 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: guitar amps On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly into my Mackie 1x10=20 > speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. I have a thing=20 > about being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy my guitar=20 > and a combo amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have to=20 > setup for a gig like that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K kris; here's a great little amp for a no frills solid state "straight up"=20 jazz amp: << http://www.jazzamp.com/index.asp >>. no bells/ whistles=20 but great eq section and "put the others to shame" jazz tone. for tubes and lots of ins/ outs (effects loop, xlr out, channel=20 switching etc.) in a small powerful package, I've found the: << =20 http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=3D1&cat=3D18&id=3D251 >> to = be=20 real good all around amp. I followed the lead of most reviews and=20 replaced the stock "Sovtek" tubes with "EuroTubes" for a smoother tone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:43:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFA73BED9; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:43:27 -0800 From: Clark Starr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <6AAD2C94-010F-1000-BBC2-106DC3E2CFDF-Webmail-10020@mac.com> in-reply-to: <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> references: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> Subject: Re: guitar amps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 208.59.169.45 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:43:30 +0000 (UTC) While I think they've become mildly "discovered" now, the Peavey classic amps are really quite good (in the tube category). I have a really old Classic 20 (no longer made) and it's very very nice. I think the Peavey brand allows these to be a little cheaper than equivalents. Clark P.S. I don't believe I've intro'd myself to the list. I'm an "aging" musician who was once in a touring/recording band that nobody ever heard of (hence the "once"). I recently purchased an RC-20xl after spending hours with the 22 seconds the giga delay's SOS feature allowed. I use "looping" mainly for composition of standard indie rock/pop stuff. Occasionally, late at night after several Maker's Marks, I indulge in some noise-scaping. During the holiday break here in the US I plan on picking up the boss foot switch that allows you to switch from loop to loop on the RC-20xl. Question: does anyone remember/know of a looper/composer type who's name I believe was Paul Dresser or something like that from the early 80s? I saw him at the Walker Art Center and I recall being transfixed. I'd like to get some of his music. I believe he was from California and something makes me think it was the San Fransisco area. He had a reel-to-reel with the arms extended several feet in each direction. He also had what looked to be a set of pedals off a large church organ that he'd hacked into his reel-to-reel to control record on/off and track on/off. He did pieces with a guitar and others with a simple casio keyboard. Finally, he played bare foot, I think to better work the organ pedals. Thanks in advance for any info. On Monday, December 18, 2006, at 06:40AM, "Paul Mimlitsch" wrote: >kris; >here's a great little amp for a no frills solid state "straight up" >jazz amp: << http://www.jazzamp.com/index.asp >>. no bells/ whistles >but great eq section and "put the others to shame" jazz tone. > >for tubes and lots of ins/ outs (effects loop, xlr out, channel >switching etc.) in a small powerful package, I've found the: << >http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=1&cat=18&id=251 >> to be >real good all around amp. I followed the lead of most reviews and >replaced the stock "Sovtek" tubes with "EuroTubes" for a smoother tone. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C183BEDE; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RRGtuECpetT2HY5wp4IFCNKoTh7s4d3NOlAbhgTnmCBvRls3eeoCHYtWHw7p/gjOXwro3AXhiwV4s6At7yn0GdNt6UbrHRljFhTtjI8UJlqtK9Hi8TF9T4sIgT4RQxKM6TN2Xomyd4WBNx8yEzVq8fcOEIqNJpVZrI5uuch3bfQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:01:35 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar amps In-Reply-To: <6AAD2C94-010F-1000-BBC2-106DC3E2CFDF-Webmail-10020@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23366_3879759.1166454095800" References: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> <6AAD2C94-010F-1000-BBC2-106DC3E2CFDF-Webmail-10020@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:01:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23366_3879759.1166454095800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like Paul Drescher. There was an article on him in Guitar Player in the late 80's or early 90's which showed his tape delay system you're describing. http://www.presentmusic.org/composers.detail.php?id=11 On 12/18/06, Clark Starr wrote: > > > > Question: does anyone remember/know of a looper/composer type who's name I > believe was Paul Dresser or something like that from the early 80s? I saw > him at the Walker Art Center and I recall being transfixed. I'd like to get > some of his music. I believe he was from California and something makes me > think it was the San Fransisco area. He had a reel-to-reel with the arms > extended several feet in each direction. He also had what looked to be a set > of pedals off a large church organ that he'd hacked into his reel-to-reel to > control record on/off and track on/off. He did pieces with a guitar and > others with a simple casio keyboard. Finally, he played bare foot, I think > to better work the organ pedals. Thanks in advance for any info. > > > > ------=_Part_23366_3879759.1166454095800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like Paul Drescher. There was an article on him in Guitar Player in the late 80's or early 90's which showed his tape delay system you're describing.

http://www.presentmusic.org/composers.detail.php?id=11



On 12/18/06, Clark Starr <comfortstarr@mac.com > wrote:


Question: does anyone remember/know of a looper/composer type who's name I believe was Paul Dresser or something like that from the early 80s? I saw him at the Walker Art Center and I recall being transfixed. I'd like to get some of his music. I believe he was from California and something makes me think it was the San Fransisco area. He had a reel-to-reel with the arms extended several feet in each direction. He also had what looked to be a set of pedals off a large church organ that he'd hacked into his reel-to-reel to control record on/off and track on/off. He did pieces with a guitar and others with a simple casio keyboard. Finally, he played bare foot, I think to better work the organ pedals. Thanks in advance for any info.




------=_Part_23366_3879759.1166454095800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03B23BEE6; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028f01c722b6$3eadd380$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061218043338.2610.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:07:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Yup...your reasoning seems sound. In my case, I have nothing on the floor. I connect one cable from my guitar to the amp, turn the amp on, and away I go. I can setup in about 2 minutes or less. Of course, if I were doing a more large scale/higher paying gig, I might bring my two Mackie powered speakers, and just use my laptop. Still nothing on the floor. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: guitar amps > Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going to > have to have at least one thing on the floor anyway" > so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure > it's kind of a controller at the same time too. > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly >> into my Mackie 1x10 >> speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. >> I have a thing about >> being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy >> my guitar and a combo >> amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have >> to setup for a gig like >> that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM >> Subject: Re: guitar amps >> >> >> >I think we've been over this before, but since you >> > seem to be happy with many of the modelers around >> (as >> > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or >> powered >> > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? >> > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good >> for >> > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard >> sounds >> > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one >> floor >> > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground >> > anyway. >> > >> > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold >> sounding >> > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ >> was >> > all they needed though. Why have the bells and >> > whistles in the amp? >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the >> >> gain on them, as that >> >> produces what could likely be the most nasty >> >> sounding distortion on the >> >> planet earth)...however, having used many models >> of >> >> Polytones in my guitar >> >> playing history, I find that they are a generally >> a >> >> one-dimensional amp. >> >> Most guys I know using them are using good sized >> >> archtop guitars, which is >> >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have a >> >> very flat frequency >> >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique >> >> sound of a big bodied >> >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp >> >> for accordion players. But >> >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix >> of >> >> traditional clean tones >> >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike >> >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I >> >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's >> >> not that sort of amp. I >> >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the >> >> Roland Cube 60, Fender >> >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps >> pop >> >> up in jazz guitar >> >> discussion forums over, and over again. One just >> >> found out that one of my >> >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an >> >> mind-blowing modern jazz >> >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto >> >> area), is also using the >> >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to >> produce >> >> a very clean tone (like >> >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp >> that >> >> will get dirty when you >> >> push it. I never believed it until I use them, >> but >> >> amps like the Cube 60 >> >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" >> feel >> >> of tube amps. I think >> >> it's just amazing what they've done with >> them...so, >> >> for the versatile jazz >> >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional >> jazz, >> >> to smooth jazz, to modern >> >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, >> >> these DSP amps are the >> >> cat's meow. >> >> >> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an >> >> amp. I've never played an >> >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by >> >> adjusting the EQ...roll off >> >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn >> the >> >> tone down on the guitar >> >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar >> players >> >> to "silkify" their tones. >> >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that >> solid >> >> state amps in general >> >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified >> claim >> >> as well. Once you tweak >> >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound >> >> harsh..."harshness" is not the >> >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that >> >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the >> >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, >> >> that they change >> >> throughout the duration of a performance as they >> >> heat up (which annoys the >> >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an >> easy >> >> characteristic to >> >> change, but these more organic features of tube >> amps >> >> are more difficult to >> >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really >> >> good at it...enough so for >> >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because >> they >> >> run cool, don't require >> >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the >> best >> >> of all worlds. I don't >> >> know who a Roland could be regarded as >> harsh...turn >> >> the treble and presence >> >> to 0...the last thing it will be is >> >> harsh...incredibly undefined, but not >> >> harsh. >> >> >> >> Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The >> >> George Benson model? I used >> >> to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD >> >> sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I >> >> used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing >> >> amps, with built in >> >> compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run >> a >> >> L5 one one site, and a >> >> Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, >> where I >> >> had to compete with an >> >> 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. >> >> >> >> K- >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "samba -" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM >> >> Subject: guitar amps >> >> >> >> >> >> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> > >> >> > I think for small portable the polytone is very >> >> tatsty. I find the roland >> >> > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the >> polytone >> >> is sweet.No bells and >> >> > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and >> have >> >> seen 2-3 for 50 that >> >> > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power >> supply >> >> problems,or maybe a >> >> > cap. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> >> > All-in-one security and maintenance for your >> PC. >> >> Get a free 90-day trial! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9D1D3BED8; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20061218105350.035dbe48@mail.bettywiderski.com> X-Sender: rpn@bettywiderski.com@mail.bettywiderski.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:58:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Betty Widerski Subject: Re: guitar amps In-Reply-To: <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> References: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_8283601==.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_8283601==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Paul - do you know the price(s) of the Jazz Amp? Their web site doesn't say (just "inexpensive"), and the one Harmony Central review doesn't, either. BTW, hi everyone... I've been silently lurking for a while as my looping activity goes in spurts with long periods of inactivity depending on all my other projects. I've got a Boomerang, RC-20XL, and just got an RC-50, used with various electric fiddles. -Betty At 06:40 AM 12/18/2006, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly into my Mackie 1x10 >>speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. I have a thing about >>being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy my guitar and a combo >>amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have to setup for a gig >>like that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K > >kris; >here's a great little amp for a no frills solid state "straight up" jazz >amp: << http://www.jazzamp.com/index.asp >>. no bells/ whistles but great >eq section and "put the others to shame" jazz tone. > >for tubes and lots of ins/ outs (effects loop, xlr out, channel switching >etc.) in a small powerful package, I've found the: << >http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=1&cat=18&id=251 >> to be real >good all around amp. I followed the lead of most reviews and replaced the >stock "Sovtek" tubes with "EuroTubes" for a smoother tone. > Betty Widerski http://bettywiderski.com Electric/Acoustic Improv Violinist --=====================_8283601==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Paul - do you know the price(s) of the Jazz Amp? Their web site doesn't say (just "inexpensive"), and the one Harmony Central review doesn't, either.

BTW, hi everyone... I've been silently lurking for a while as my looping activity goes in spurts with long periods of inactivity depending on all my other projects. I've got a Boomerang, RC-20XL, and just got an RC-50, used with various electric fiddles.

-Betty

At 06:40 AM 12/18/2006, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:

On Dec 17, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly into my Mackie 1x10 speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. I have a thing about being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy my guitar and a combo amp. :)   It's ver liberating. The more gear I have to setup for a gig like that, the more disgruntled I get over time.  / K

kris;
here's a great little amp for a no frills solid state "straight up" jazz amp: << http://www.jazzamp.com/index.asp >>. no bells/ whistles but great eq section and "put the others to shame" jazz tone.

for tubes and lots of ins/ outs (effects loop, xlr out, channel switching etc.) in a small powerful package, I've found the: << 
http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?type=1&cat=18&id=251 >> to be real good all around amp.  I followed the lead of most reviews and replaced the stock "Sovtek" tubes with "EuroTubes" for a smoother tone.

Betty Widerski
http://bettywiderski.com
Electric/Acoustic Improv Violinist --=====================_8283601==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 16:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 549D03BEDE; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:24:02 -0600 From: David Small Subject: Fwd: RE: Price of the JazzAmp 10 X-Sender: cpp6@mail.uh.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20061218102354.03379f08@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:53:22 -0700 >From: Henriksen Amplifiers >Subject: RE: Price of the JazzAmp 10 >To: 'David Small' >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 >Thread-index: AccisHs0og0DE1LbSy+yH8MLbiVTRQAAl9UA >X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, > Antispam-Data: 2006.12.18.63436 >Original-recipient: rfc822;cpp6@mail.uh.edu > >Hello David, thanks for writing. > >The price for the JazzAmp 10 is $679, and shipping should be around $25 - >$30 by UPS ground. > >Peter Henriksen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Small [mailto:dsmall@uh.edu] >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:26 AM >To: info@jazzamp.com >Subject: Price of the JazzAmp 10 > >Liked your website and the reviews of the JazzAmp 10. What is the >price? Shipping? Thank you. > >David Small >Pearland Texas 77584 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 17:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8063BEDF; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c801c722c6$2bf95ce0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002e01c721f1$9d99b640$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> <01c901c721fc$1e166d90$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <91c34cded72af33f71555e9b1f42fa61@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:01:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Buying musical instruments as an investment...now that's a notion that has always intrigued me. Not my 20 oz cup of chai tea with two shots of espresso, as I consider myself a player and not a collector, and I think instruments are meant to be played and not accrued for financial gain, but that is a subjective thing, I know and admit. I know some doctors, lawyers, and dentists here locally that have rooms full of mint condition amps and guitars....it makes me sick. They don't play them. They just sit there so that they can impress their friends and musician guests. I don't think there is a market index calculated to demonstrate the growth investment potential of fretted instruments versus a stock portfolio, or a diversified portfolio of stocks, bonds, mutual funds, hybrid life-insurance/investment funds, etc. I suppose if my father had bought 100 1952 Gibson Super 400 Ns for $1000 (I think they sold for $400 in the 1930s, and don't ask where he would have got the money), worth about $10K before he passed away, that would be a be a decent return of $900K, but isn't exactly enough to retire on. But if he had did this with five other models, he would have had a decent nest egg whose interest might have kept him going indefinitely. I don't know what a new Super 400 will be worth when I'm 55 years old, so I can't run an analysis to see how many I'd need to buy to help me retire. It is much easier to have a diverse investment portfolio of stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc, for me at least. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Well... I also knew (back in the pre Ebay day) antique dealers who would go to yard sales, live auctions, estate sales and buy stuff and pay peanuts for it and sell it for a fortune. So in a way Ebay has been good for those folks who in the past would have sold their dead soldier brothers' 55 Tele for $200. Of course, it's absurd what folks pay in auctions. This is true in live auctions too. You get into a frenzy and lose your mind. I went to ONE and will never go again. It's like Las Vegas on acid. But if any of you ever decide to sell your 1940 Ford or early 60s gold top Les Paul for half of what it sold for new, please let me know. Now... I wrote this email that follows this morning and wasn't going to send it because it's long winded. But because the thread is still alive here we go: Well... I think you're incredibly right on pricing of vintage gear. On the other hand, it's like property in Marin California or Portland Oregon! They're just not making any more of it. Fender amps have gone though the ceiling. Some amps I sold like five years ago I could get double for now. And I sold them for very high prices. Some of the new boutique amps cost about as much as a tweed Fender Twin or Deluxe! So I reckon for some folks it's an investment - like buying a Martin D 45 and storing it for three years or a PRS Dragon and waiting a year or two and selling it for more. But it's a roll of the dice. Who can say when the bottom falls out? It might... but then it might NOT! Soon enough China will be like Japan - buying North American history. So this could mean the prices will continue to rise. It's a well known fact that folks are buying vintage guitars for investment. Some who aren't musicians! So in a way some of this is out of our hands and irrelevant to the working musician. We are on outer edge of a booming antique business. A good friend of mine is a treasure trove of cultural information. He follows the culture very closely and, being bound in a wheelchair, watches LOTS of television, reads lots of magazines, ponders the nature and fate of the universe a lot... etc. He's predicted music trends better than any magazine pundit I've read - dead on years in advance. He says that in the future hand made stuff from 20th century North American culture will be priceless. For those of us old enough, we know we lived through a MAJOR cultural revolution and historical event. For the remainder of human history, that stuff from those times touched by those fingers who SAW The Beatles or Hendrix or Dylan will be valuable. Just as antique Shaker furniture is now. But... just how valuable I don't know. I know I love playing my 1934 National thinking of the hands that have held it, wondering what they played, where they lived. It's fascinating. I wouldn't pay what it's worth now... but I do enjoy the vicarious mysteries that ooze out of its resonator and fret board. If you've ever experienced it, you know what I mean. Just to confuse things, I DO play my brand new (2006) little Ron Phillips parlor resonator guitar more than any other piece I own. And truth is, some old amps just sound amazingly good. Sometimes the differences are subtle compared to newer ones, or so people say, but when you're out there on the edge of a solo hanging on by a twig, every little bit helps! Or that's my experience. Is it worth twice or three times a much? Not if it costs too much of your TIME. And, to me, therein lies the rub. If you're wealthy and can afford vintage gear and you still have PLENTY time to practice, then Hari Bol! But if not, buy a decent amp and guitar, have it set up well and go to town and ignore the Ebay Weird Hall of Mirrors. Great music will rise regardless. And, I can't remember who said it but I love the quote, "No one's ever heard someone walking down the street and whistling the sound of vintage Pultec EQ!" There's so much to learn. So many songs to write, scales to learn, gear to conquer. And families to feed richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Dec-06, at 8:55 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: what's also amazing is the change in yard/estate sale tactics. Years ago, before eBay, you could wander your neighborhood and find some good deals on things at yard sales.....I used to see musical instruments and old gear for decent prices. Now, with folks going to yard sales, buying junk, and selling it for profit on eBay, people are catching on and are asking more for items. They get on line and do the research to see what they can ask. Gone are the days of someone going to some old lady's yard sale and finding a mint and vintage Fender in a case in the attic, from her son who went to the war but never came back, and getting a stellar deal on it. This is an extreme, I admit. I used to think that 50% of new price was a fair deal on used gear. 15 years ago I used this rule and it worked fine. Now, as you mention below, you can find used gear sometimes going for 70% of the new price....it's crazy. Hell, I bought Behringer FCB controller several years ago, new from a music store, and some idiot bought it for more than what I paid for it on eBay....if he had done the research he could have got it new for less. It's like people go to eBay and lose their minds. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or floor actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 million dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has been advertising more in the periodicals. My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is that used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I know, there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that every single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives the price up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good stuff (I picked up a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). Now (at least the ones I've visited the last few years) have cheap junk. And music stores that have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in Pittsburgh) have all the stuff priced way too high (is anyone paying those prices for, say, an old Yamaha midi sequencer?). Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. Guys with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought a gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that equates to the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be priced right but both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good stuff. Personally, I can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price point range. And I usually stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever spend more than that unless I won the lottery. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with Mr. Hartung here. The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point of being moot in many cases. As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I can't imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able to justify the price tag. I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? I know that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea of doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. I could be well wrong here........... Todd -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... From: "Zoe Keating" I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty impressed....but that was with a cello. Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can see how they would sound great for cello. It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to think boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned a few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a $200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my personal experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my playing technique. I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and amps. Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable gear that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, and are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys who have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 ($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps popping up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of old guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the latest greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music technology. Kris ----- Original Message ----- On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: Anyone have any ideas for a small, compact guitar amp for jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, etc? How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, check out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 17:25:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA3A3BEDD; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ytLygMFCRmIlzvt6OSmQGx4byk3QZJL8NOu6aivp6mQc3oFZ7Mr+dBpNUP6Ch8C88YKLfkqAWIlUzk0djOfWqeqi7YuLUnkl2yrdjtM/W2pTVaWislEPqlCqdafkOEa7Ez1MgjyqDmY4LqX8JYfXgblbTsAhvmPH5v419D6gTDM=; X-YMail-OSG: Gm.ynrsVM1nHir2HE5EHLFBMr5BaIHaa3CWmUFavUg73cWoKdV0Mrwe8bpVjLvujB00eGLGmFHktlRE5vyiEWUHpY_LE5vAZQwRoe3NnJKEbSHp6HfwbogUnS2rKCdTzJgVBAof28Ckzqhc- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:25:28 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: looping xmas list... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061218155901.B77043BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1689512298-1166462728=:76393" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <720240.76393.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:25:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1689512298-1166462728=:76393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i was thinking about xmas and wish lists and all and my gear stuff, etc.... thinking of it mostly b/c i sold a bunch of gear that was sitting around (on ebay-didn't make a killing on anything, just wanted it out of my studio) and was thinking about my looping needs..... i was thinking back to when i bought my dod d-12 back in '01, and when i 1st discoverd LD in '00 by accident when i was looking up david torn articles on the web...i remember researching gear and trying to figure out what i wanted, and i remember there wasn't much available at the lower end of budgets...(i remember reading lots of posts about the old zoom 4 sec delay pedal) i finally decided on the d-12, b/c it looked from pics to be a low end version of the lexicon pcm42 that dt used...and i was pretty happy w/ it....when my rack gear started to disappear (downsizing), i started to look at other options, and there seems to be a lot out there vs. when i 1st started looking...and i will have to say that i've been very happy w/ the boss dd-20, for me its perfect, i can keep it on my table for easy hand manipulations, has plenty of delay time, you can modulate it...just works perfect for me...the other scary thing is i've been happy w/ my minimal set up of zoom g2-digitech synth wah-boss dd20 that i've been using for the last few weeks...it has worked for when i play through my amp and direct recording (which i've been doing not very much of)...oh sure, i'm debating a few items to buy w/ the money i made from selling the old gear....but i'm pretty happy w/ things as of late, i must be getting mature or something......or older for sure.... oh well---happy looping and holidays to all.... s--- ps-listened to the warren sirota part 1 mp3 from the 06 loopfest---some very lush sounding stuff.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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i was thinking about xmas and wish lists and all and my gear stuff, etc....
thinking of it mostly b/c i sold a bunch of gear that was sitting around (on ebay-didn't
make a killing on anything, just wanted it out of my studio) and was thinking about
my looping needs.....
i was thinking back to when i bought my dod d-12 back in '01, and when i 1st discoverd
LD in '00 by accident when i was looking up david torn articles on the web...i remember
researching gear and trying to figure out what i wanted, and i remember there wasn't much available at the lower end of budgets...(i remember reading lots of posts about the old zoom 4 sec delay pedal) i finally decided on the d-12, b/c it looked from pics to be a low end version of the lexicon pcm42 that dt used...and i was pretty happy w/ it....when my rack gear started to disappear (downsizing), i started to look at other options, and there seems to be a lot out there vs. when i 1st started looking...and i will have to say that i've been very happy w/ the boss dd-20, for me its perfect, i can keep it on my table for easy hand manipulations, has plenty of delay time, you can modulate it...just works perfect for me...the other scary thing is i've been happy w/ my minimal set up of zoom g2-digitech synth wah-boss dd20 that i've been using for the last few weeks...it has worked for when i play through my amp and direct recording (which i've been doing not very much of)...oh sure, i'm debating a few items to buy w/ the money i made from selling the old gear....but i'm pretty happy w/ things as of late, i must be getting mature or something......or older for sure....
oh well---happy looping and holidays to all....
s---
ps-listened to the warren sirota part 1 mp3 from the 06 loopfest---some very lush sounding stuff....

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1689512298-1166462728=:76393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 17:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8C9C3BEE2; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4586D1BB.50301@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:36:59 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar amps References: <20061218043338.2610.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <028f01c722b6$3eadd380$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <028f01c722b6$3eadd380$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0659-1, 12/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) If you decide to use something besides your amp for effects, you might check out the Crate V-Series amps. They can get great jazz tone and even push through to searing bluesy stuff. I always hated Crates, but I demoed a V 32 (blonde version of V 30 w/ a Celestion speaker) at a Guitar Center a while back and bought it right away. Their 15 watt version sounds really good as well, and is fairly inexpensive for a class A/B tube amp. The larger V-Series amps do have some built-in effects, but they're probably bigger than you want to haul around. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yup...your reasoning seems sound. In my case, I have nothing on the > floor. I connect one cable from my guitar to the amp, turn the amp on, > and away I go. I can setup in about 2 minutes or less. Of course, if I > were doing a more large scale/higher paying gig, I might bring my two > Mackie powered speakers, and just use my laptop. Still nothing on the > floor. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: guitar amps > > >> Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going to >> have to have at least one thing on the floor anyway" >> so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure >> it's kind of a controller at the same time too. >> >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly >>> into my Mackie 1x10 >>> speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. >>> I have a thing about >>> being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy >>> my guitar and a combo >>> amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have >>> to setup for a gig like >>> that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: guitar amps >>> >>> >>> >I think we've been over this before, but since you >>> > seem to be happy with many of the modelers around >>> (as >>> > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or >>> powered >>> > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? >>> > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good >>> for >>> > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard >>> sounds >>> > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one >>> floor >>> > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground >>> > anyway. >>> > >>> > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold >>> sounding >>> > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ >>> was >>> > all they needed though. Why have the bells and >>> > whistles in the amp? >>> > >>> > Mark >>> > >>> > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> > >>> >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the >>> >> gain on them, as that >>> >> produces what could likely be the most nasty >>> >> sounding distortion on the >>> >> planet earth)...however, having used many models >>> of >>> >> Polytones in my guitar >>> >> playing history, I find that they are a generally >>> a >>> >> one-dimensional amp. >>> >> Most guys I know using them are using good sized >>> >> archtop guitars, which is >>> >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have a >>> >> very flat frequency >>> >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique >>> >> sound of a big bodied >>> >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp >>> >> for accordion players. But >>> >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix >>> of >>> >> traditional clean tones >>> >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike >>> >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I >>> >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's >>> >> not that sort of amp. I >>> >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the >>> >> Roland Cube 60, Fender >>> >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps >>> pop >>> >> up in jazz guitar >>> >> discussion forums over, and over again. One just >>> >> found out that one of my >>> >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an >>> >> mind-blowing modern jazz >>> >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto >>> >> area), is also using the >>> >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to >>> produce >>> >> a very clean tone (like >>> >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp >>> that >>> >> will get dirty when you >>> >> push it. I never believed it until I use them, >>> but >>> >> amps like the Cube 60 >>> >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" >>> feel >>> >> of tube amps. I think >>> >> it's just amazing what they've done with >>> them...so, >>> >> for the versatile jazz >>> >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional >>> jazz, >>> >> to smooth jazz, to modern >>> >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, >>> >> these DSP amps are the >>> >> cat's meow. >>> >> >>> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an >>> >> amp. I've never played an >>> >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by >>> >> adjusting the EQ...roll off >>> >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn >>> the >>> >> tone down on the guitar >>> >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar >>> players >>> >> to "silkify" their tones. >>> >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that >>> solid >>> >> state amps in general >>> >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified >>> claim >>> >> as well. Once you tweak >>> >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound >>> >> harsh..."harshness" is not the >>> >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that >>> >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the >>> >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, >>> >> that they change >>> >> throughout the duration of a performance as they >>> >> heat up (which annoys the >>> >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an >>> easy >>> >> characteristic to >>> >> change, but these more organic features of tube >>> amps >>> >> are more difficult to >>> >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really >>> >> good at it...enough so for >>> >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because >>> they >>> >> run cool, don't require >>> >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the >>> best >>> >> of all worlds. I don't >>> >> know who a Roland could be regarded as >>> harsh...turn >>> >> the treble and presence >>> >> to 0...the last thing it will be is >>> >> harsh...incredibly undefined, but not >>> >> harsh. >>> >> >>> >> Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The >>> >> George Benson model? I used >>> >> to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD >>> >> sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I >>> >> used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing >>> >> amps, with built in >>> >> compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run >>> a >>> >> L5 one one site, and a >>> >> Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, >>> where I >>> >> had to compete with an >>> >> 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. >>> >> >>> >> K- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "samba -" >>> >>> >> To: >>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM >>> >> Subject: guitar amps >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >> > >>> >> > I think for small portable the polytone is very >>> >> tatsty. I find the roland >>> >> > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the >>> polytone >>> >> is sweet.No bells and >>> >> > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and >>> have >>> >> seen 2-3 for 50 that >>> >> > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power >>> supply >>> >> problems,or maybe a >>> >> > cap. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >> > All-in-one security and maintenance for your >>> PC. >>> >> Get a free 90-day trial! >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> === message truncated === >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Have a burning question? >> Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 17:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BE03BEDD; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oiYvzVdXm83EnX3qejF87yZQ5BR0eQ7d1GSd5gCRovMqBaSywP4153KOiCKW3KQ1PAoreVDrXQQ7dNQ0LgfH/6EBqJvnUmUHayhq6nCoIxzykCjev6UreMzSgBwoB/wUx+QVrY4FLNCsivFnoND/hoAIujzQnA93mov0JrWVJi0=; X-YMail-OSG: 0tgGUOIVM1nXkO0pfG92Z1CAmUconfYsmaK_ryKymhGW_02tWOAnhBSa.MqxHM7xHAvf3GiHvGZLo_ViXg_SXy1T_mYTFsRFRaVEKarrTClUmlH7hAs4JFfAZzcRa_dCwmCo2EBf9fFYYNeYLUQOkFSE.felhuhgUM67AcXGf7gSCflXxDH.NoT5Rcwd Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Looping Books & DVDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <720240.76393.qm@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-78253758-1166464279=:96795" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <883369.96795.qm@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1j1CND.A.2UE.bUthFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-78253758-1166464279=:96795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What's available in instructional manuals, DVDs, etc dealing with looping, ie, "how to," methods, etc? Thanks in advance. Scott Millis Scott R Millis, PhD, MEd, ABPP (CN & RP) Professor & Director of Research Department of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation Wayne State University School of Medicine 261 Mack Blvd Detroit, MI 48201 Email: smillis@med.wayne.edu Tel: 313-993-8085 Fax: 313-745-9854 ********************************************************* This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information it contains. Thank you. --0-78253758-1166464279=:96795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

What's available in instructional manuals, DVDs, etc dealing with looping, ie, "how to," methods, etc?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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Thank you. --0-78253758-1166464279=:96795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:08:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809533BEE8; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x3ve3efU8vj0O+wAVzR3tkjg6IAsOWtTZ3YsNdT3mTW+BxHzSYJURkAEcHYdkVauUDwKhq1SxeMMZxbStFWOoWTyVvIJ3pvNBbwKDwj39mASD890YhFSAQ4F9cdtullq5kbSJbEC2ekNW2QNsrrjm2/UFgTY0i0jgoEVqIrb7ts=; X-YMail-OSG: 3aKv88sVM1ld3ubqPAN5NoymK0b5gOoKceH9pd296n0P7DHtq351g7_1hIZbBOK.6w-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: guitar amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <028f01c722b6$3eadd380$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <406953.75960.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:08:23 +0000 (UTC) That's interesting. I like your music a lot but I've never seen you perform. I'd always just assumed that there was at least some sort of MIDI controller or pedalboard in front of you to help sculpt that sweet sound of yours. I can't imagine doing a show without at least 2 fairly large devices on the floor! Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yup...your reasoning seems sound. In my case, I have > nothing on the floor. I > connect one cable from my guitar to the amp, turn > the amp on, and away I go. > I can setup in about 2 minutes or less. Of course, > if I were doing a more > large scale/higher paying gig, I might bring my two > Mackie powered speakers, > and just use my laptop. Still nothing on the floor. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: guitar amps > > > > Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going > to > > have to have at least one thing on the floor > anyway" > > so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure > > it's kind of a controller at the same time too. > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly > >> into my Mackie 1x10 > >> speakers...it's mainly convenience and > portability. > >> I have a thing about > >> being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing > buy > >> my guitar and a combo > >> amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I > have > >> to setup for a gig like > >> that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "mark sottilaro" > > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: guitar amps > >> > >> > >> >I think we've been over this before, but since > you > >> > seem to be happy with many of the modelers > around > >> (as > >> > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or > >> powered > >> > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your > choice? > >> > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds > good > >> for > >> > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard > >> sounds > >> > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one > >> floor > >> > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the > ground > >> > anyway. > >> > > >> > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold > >> sounding > >> > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ > >> was > >> > all they needed though. Why have the bells and > >> > whistles in the amp? > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > --- Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> > > >> >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use > the > >> >> gain on them, as that > >> >> produces what could likely be the most nasty > >> >> sounding distortion on the > >> >> planet earth)...however, having used many > models > >> of > >> >> Polytones in my guitar > >> >> playing history, I find that they are a > generally > >> a > >> >> one-dimensional amp. > >> >> Most guys I know using them are using good > sized > >> >> archtop guitars, which is > >> >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have > a > >> >> very flat frequency > >> >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and > unique > >> >> sound of a big bodied > >> >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular > amp > >> >> for accordion players. But > >> >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a > mix > >> of > >> >> traditional clean tones > >> >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like > Mike > >> >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I > >> >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. > It's > >> >> not that sort of amp. I > >> >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like > the > >> >> Roland Cube 60, Fender > >> >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps > >> pop > >> >> up in jazz guitar > >> >> discussion forums over, and over again. One > just > >> >> found out that one of my > >> >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an > >> >> mind-blowing modern jazz > >> >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the > Toronto > >> >> area), is also using the > >> >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to > >> produce > >> >> a very clean tone (like > >> >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp > >> that > >> >> will get dirty when you > >> >> push it. I never believed it until I use > them, > >> but > >> >> amps like the Cube 60 > >> >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" > >> feel > >> >> of tube amps. I think > >> >> it's just amazing what they've done with > >> them...so, > >> >> for the versatile jazz > >> >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional > >> jazz, > >> >> to smooth jazz, to modern > >> >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the > gig, > >> >> these DSP amps are the > >> >> cat's meow. > >> >> > >> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not > an > >> >> amp. I've never played an > >> >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of > by > >> >> adjusting the EQ...roll off > >> >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and > turn > >> the > >> >> tone down on the guitar > >> >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar > >> players > >> >> to "silkify" their tones. > >> >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that > >> solid > >> >> state amps in general > >> >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified > >> claim > >> >> as well. Once you tweak > >> >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound > >> >> harsh..."harshness" is not the > >> >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that > >> >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the > >> >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push > them, > >> >> that they change > >> >> throughout the duration of a performance as > they > >> >> heat up (which annoys the > >> >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an > >> easy > >> >> characteristic to > >> >> change, but these more organic features of > tube > >> amps > >> >> are more difficult to > >> >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting > really > >> >> good at it...enough so for > >> >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because > >> they > >> >> run cool, don't require > >> >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the > >> best > >> >> of all worlds. I don't > >> >> know who a Roland could be regarded as > >> harsh...turn > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:30:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F533BEF9; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033901c722d2$9a4ca7e0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <406953.75960.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:30:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Heh heh...well, you are right in one respect. For all my looping gigs, all I have is my laptop and Behringer MIDI controller (to control Mobius and tweak my VST parameters with the two expression pedels). All the sweetness comes from about about 60 VST effects, some MAX/MSP VSTs that I've created myself, and Reaktor. For my paying jazz gig, I use a totally different setup...just a guitar plugged into a a combo amp. I usually use my Taylor nylon string plugged into a Crate Gunnison acoustic amp (replaced my stolen Roland AC-60), or I bring my PRS hollowbody and plug into an combo amp (which is what I'm working on replacing now with either the Roland Cube 60 or Fender FM 65). Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: guitar amps > That's interesting. I like your music a lot but I've > never seen you perform. I'd always just assumed that > there was at least some sort of MIDI controller or > pedalboard in front of you to help sculpt that sweet > sound of yours. I can't imagine doing a show without > at least 2 fairly large devices on the floor! > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Yup...your reasoning seems sound. In my case, I have >> nothing on the floor. I >> connect one cable from my guitar to the amp, turn >> the amp on, and away I go. >> I can setup in about 2 minutes or less. Of course, >> if I were doing a more >> large scale/higher paying gig, I might bring my two >> Mackie powered speakers, >> and just use my laptop. Still nothing on the floor. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:33 PM >> Subject: Re: guitar amps >> >> >> > Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going >> to >> > have to have at least one thing on the floor >> anyway" >> > so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure >> > it's kind of a controller at the same time too. >> > >> > >> > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> >> I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly >> >> into my Mackie 1x10 >> >> speakers...it's mainly convenience and >> portability. >> >> I have a thing about >> >> being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing >> buy >> >> my guitar and a combo >> >> amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I >> have >> >> to setup for a gig like >> >> that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM >> >> Subject: Re: guitar amps >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think we've been over this before, but since >> you >> >> > seem to be happy with many of the modelers >> around >> >> (as >> >> > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or >> >> powered >> >> > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your >> choice? >> >> > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds >> good >> >> for >> >> > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard >> >> sounds >> >> > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one >> >> floor >> >> > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the >> ground >> >> > anyway. >> >> > >> >> > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold >> >> sounding >> >> > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ >> >> was >> >> > all they needed though. Why have the bells and >> >> > whistles in the amp? >> >> > >> >> > Mark >> >> > >> >> > --- Krispen Hartung >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use >> the >> >> >> gain on them, as that >> >> >> produces what could likely be the most nasty >> >> >> sounding distortion on the >> >> >> planet earth)...however, having used many >> models >> >> of >> >> >> Polytones in my guitar >> >> >> playing history, I find that they are a >> generally >> >> a >> >> >> one-dimensional amp. >> >> >> Most guys I know using them are using good >> sized >> >> >> archtop guitars, which is >> >> >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have >> a >> >> >> very flat frequency >> >> >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and >> unique >> >> >> sound of a big bodied >> >> >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular >> amp >> >> >> for accordion players. But >> >> >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a >> mix >> >> of >> >> >> traditional clean tones >> >> >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like >> Mike >> >> >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I >> >> >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. >> It's >> >> >> not that sort of amp. I >> >> >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like >> the >> >> >> Roland Cube 60, Fender >> >> >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps >> >> pop >> >> >> up in jazz guitar >> >> >> discussion forums over, and over again. One >> just >> >> >> found out that one of my >> >> >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an >> >> >> mind-blowing modern jazz >> >> >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the >> Toronto >> >> >> area), is also using the >> >> >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to >> >> produce >> >> >> a very clean tone (like >> >> >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp >> >> that >> >> >> will get dirty when you >> >> >> push it. I never believed it until I use >> them, >> >> but >> >> >> amps like the Cube 60 >> >> >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" >> >> feel >> >> >> of tube amps. I think >> >> >> it's just amazing what they've done with >> >> them...so, >> >> >> for the versatile jazz >> >> >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional >> >> jazz, >> >> >> to smooth jazz, to modern >> >> >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the >> gig, >> >> >> these DSP amps are the >> >> >> cat's meow. >> >> >> >> >> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not >> an >> >> >> amp. I've never played an >> >> >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of >> by >> >> >> adjusting the EQ...roll off >> >> >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and >> turn >> >> the >> >> >> tone down on the guitar >> >> >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar >> >> players >> >> >> to "silkify" their tones. >> >> >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that >> >> solid >> >> >> state amps in general >> >> >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified >> >> claim >> >> >> as well. Once you tweak >> >> >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound >> >> >> harsh..."harshness" is not the >> >> >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that >> >> >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the >> >> >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push >> them, >> >> >> that they change >> >> >> throughout the duration of a performance as >> they >> >> >> heat up (which annoys the >> >> >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an >> >> easy >> >> >> characteristic to >> >> >> change, but these more organic features of >> tube >> >> amps >> >> >> are more difficult to >> >> >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting >> really >> >> >> good at it...enough so for >> >> >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because >> >> they >> >> >> run cool, don't require >> >> >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the >> >> best >> >> >> of all worlds. I don't >> >> >> know who a Roland could be regarded as >> >> harsh...turn >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:34:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7863BEF7; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:34:29 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003701c722d3$2bf50430$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <45831277.7000703@addcom.de> Thread-Index: Accgj1yje/2t5q4+SwqlhGsyqKrTfQCQ5InQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) > Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 > or, as the tag claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? As I understand it, everything audio-wise on the website is live from the festival - either recordings done by Krispen or in a few cases recordings by the performers themselves. "The Streets" is a recording Krispen received from me which I tagged with the then-working-title of the album it's gonna land on. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455093BEE2; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20061218105350.035dbe48@mail.bettywiderski.com> References: <20061218024734.94811.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <024201c72250$5cc9b700$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <868ab17f9d85e4ab9a60ce5cb9f1f404@mac.com> <6.1.1.1.2.20061218105350.035dbe48@mail.bettywiderski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8bb96058e838233932a2fab9866c148c@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: guitar amps Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:38:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Betty Widerski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-18_02:2006-12-18,2006-12-18,2006-12-18 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612180027 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Betty; I've seen the "JazzAmp-10" for $649.00, not sure about the bigger model. While, I wasn't in the market for another amp, when I got a chance to try the "JazzAmp-10" recently, I was so impressed that I'm presently unloading some stuff so as to finance the purchase. I haven't tried it with my looping pedal board "in line" since I prefer to run effects in an effects loop as on the Traynor amp I mentioned. Plan on using it for solo/ non looping gigs. I've talked to Bud Henrikson on the phone - turns out he's right here in Evergreen, CO - and he's a real nice guy anxious to answer any questions you might have. - Paul On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Betty Widerski wrote: > Paul - do you know the price(s) of the Jazz Amp? Their web site > doesn't say (just "inexpensive"), and the one Harmony Central review > doesn't, either. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D38C93BEEC; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=cMnlHkmVcaOA/x3tUXFKe9W9fykvSCJbQGeKSWJvOTLvmY6S20+W/8YPSNKnbn+D06APQ6gkusBvLJzDmUEHWwsd59LAt9OS8KjO6ttBHCCYYZB4omOAvb5Im4Fk+vkFr9YLAPNimWCLvsIG4DfxuVc9T4yqlrOuz7a3C0i9/bo= ; X-YMail-OSG: ZA2LFckVM1lGfqPkJahgrAQpBVhDjbDsHJbZIWTTHHjNyyjG_L76WThGS6IiJw9NuBFXaOaxRW2L4367RBFTBlNlLMUfSg5HjQ1QC6PtaoOxC.YRPwUaImXtHrrwXYiMP_ajmHIXknxTIJM- From: "murkie" To: Subject: OT:AW/FS? - Morely Expression Pedals Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C722AC.BA3C45E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acci1qHuCRMSggrcRrqFVz014y5h7Q== Message-Id: <20061218185926.1073F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C722AC.BA3C45E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey kids. Amongst a batch o' music toys I picked up a while back were 2 Morely pedals (the big chrome old skool kind) that appear to be expression pedals. There is a foot rocker pedal (like a volume pedal) and 2 momentary switches on each. There are three 1/4 inch jacks, one for each of the switches and a third for the rocker. I don't have any gear that this is useable for so I can't tell what they actually do, but I replaced the lamps in each and they seem to power up fine. Anybody know anything about these? Anybody interested in one (or both?). So as not to distract from the amp-talk, please respond off list. Unless everybody is dying to hear about these relics. Thanks! murkie http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C722AC.BA3C45E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 kids. 
 
Amongst a batch o'=20 music toys I picked up a while back were 2 Morely pedals (the big chrome = old=20 skool kind) that appear to be expression pedals.  There is a foot = rocker=20 pedal (like a volume pedal) and 2 momentary switches on each.  = There=20 are three 1/4 inch jacks, one for each of the switches and a third = for the=20 rocker.  I don't have any gear that this is useable for so I can't = tell=20 what they actually do, but I replaced the lamps in each and they seem to = power=20 up fine.  Anybody know anything about these?  Anybody = interested in=20 one (or both?).
 
So as = not to=20 distract from the amp-talk, please respond off list.  Unless = everybody is=20 dying to hear about these relics.
 
Thanks!
 
murkie
 
http://www.TwistedAp= pleRecords.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C722AC.BA3C45E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88F33BEF9; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bOJJlOZF/dIe+wPvrKTpZjQX/KPTHrsTbCKG68QnOp8F06TkYxlM5CI1eAApKKAS/B+V5BUenDS2l9nVS/RhpQQNXvW25RYDf0lnVsWQ/XuWWDsQA4GHSV4XslpwmmsS2DaHMZi455oVT2euGrqcV8+AdhynNFFaMUyzsNWL8sk=; X-YMail-OSG: ZX_v8Z4VM1nd4PiNNqqBZs0L4UzTw4fVv1xQNR6gO6fSXICC.TNnCS79QYOKcOtQTHRsvKSn17.3MAdeQjlhN4.SGHyVaMHiWG37UvSM14h8NrUZNVOEbQ-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: tube amp and effects routing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <792718.32954.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, so i am slowly drifitng into pedals and tube amps again and use my rack less and less but now there is a routing question for you: I have a tube amp which has efx loop parallel and in series conections in the back, and ive ditched my ts-9 and booster pedals to have less boxes on the floor and a cleaner signal and use the amps own overdrive,distortion,booster and reverb channels which sound awesome and uncomparable.But some efx like delays work better in the loop in combination with the amps distortion and the others better in front of the amp.The problem is that i have 4 cables,one for the amps own switch pedalboard,2 for the efx loop in the back and one going direct to the amp.This can be a bit messy,is there another way of doing this using less cables? thanx in advance Luis --- samba - wrote: > > As for rock stars driving prices up,I witnessed > Pete Townsends tech > having all the dealers and shops in town set up a > room full of vintage > guitars in the hotel ,so they could cherry pick,and > he told me they did > that in every US city on the tour.Those kind of guys > have vaults full of the > best guitars and are a major factor in driving up > the prices.That was years > ago,but that's how it got rolling.That's biz. > Point taken about harshness.I have a 70s Ibanez > semihollow-same one as > scofeild,and I like clean buttery sort of tone > .Still is someone wants some > snarl there are millions of stompboxes- a tonebone > and a polytone and you > could get some pretty good fusion tones. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta > version. Join now. > http://ideas.live.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 333A93BEDC; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 379263015 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:32:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B888@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc thread-index: Acci2zCJgiSI3GOxRumE6coJvXw5fg== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2006 19:32:01.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[30914F00:01C722DB] Resent-Message-ID: <27jJuB.A.y-B.zyuhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) >>From: Krispen Hartung: Buying musical instruments as an = investment...now that's a notion that has always intrigued me. Not my = 20 oz cup of chai tea with two shots of espresso, as I consider myself a = player and not a collector....<< I have oscillated (vacillated?) between the two, insisting that my own = stack of instruments was an "accumulation" & not a "collection", the = distinction being that they all got work, occasionally, rather than = living in their boxes or in glass cases on the wall.=20 caged birds that can't even sing....=20 well, now there are too many of them to have them all working, even if I = were to do three gigs a week. I still try to rotate them, but even = so.... & so I have begun to think of them in terms of resale value or as = investments.=20 I hate myself for this.=20 last year I went looking for & bought a 1963 fender precision just = because I imagined it would have a certain "mojo" about it. I hate myself for this too.=20 I'm not one of these pre-CBS snobs either- I have a few 70s fenders, & = the one thing I can say about the furniture-factory years is that they = were responsible for /inconsistent/ quality, rather than poor quality = instruments. you just have to shop around, is all.=20 but I wanted a fender from my birth-year, for some daft reason. & so now I own a 1963 L-series precision in pristine & original dakota = red, which once belonged to a famous person (he owned it from 1972 until = last year, & it lived at his famous studio in stockport throughout his = famous band's famous career, while his famous bassist favoured a = rickenbacker). in fact, there's about 10cc of the red paint missing.... = :-) (curiously, this provenance didn't affect the price much) but it is a huge disappointment to play. not because it's bad, but = because it's not anything remarkable.=20 it's "book value" is way past it's value as an instrument. if I found = myself in one of those unfortunate "women & children first" scenarios, I = would grab my rickenbackers first, then one or two of the ibanez, then = some of the later fenders..... =20 I have absolute dog of a refinished late '73 precision, worth about a = sixth of the red one. it sounds like..... a real rock'n'roll fender = bass. after a few minutes, one forgets that it's not so easy to play, or = that the post-'65 fender kink at the heel of the neck means it's = impossible to set a decent action on it, or that it's probably got three = coats of paint, or that it probably had several beers poured into it = during punk...... accordingly, I now urge caution, & I won't personally buy an instrument = made from anything more volatile than aluminium unless it's either very = cheap or I can try it out in real-life first. d.=20 From root@p15199998.pureserver.info Mon Dec 18 19:57:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 87994 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:57:02 UTC Received: from p15199998.pureserver.info (p15199998.pureserver.info [212.227.97.15]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23533BEDB for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6058 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2006 03:06:53 +0100 Date: 15 Dec 2006 03:06:53 +0100 Message-ID: <20061215020653.6057.qmail@p15199998.pureserver.info> Cc: recipient list not shown: ; From: "eBay" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html\r\n Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\r\n Subject: FPA NOTICE: eBay Registration Suspension - User Agreement - Abusing eBay
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eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 20:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617B03BEE0; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oGMLZi6juQjxDGQ6Wwt4ugXZD0lvh2m49huLIOEXLn4pcYivj0k7T2Nu+WyZC+XNPvg4PgzUWZuabflcao0GJJmW1WRnla4U+Cdo5zQu9dRrJr02JcM3BZ8bYbNO/HT8OkZE6HQ8yYtPb4EGDyvmSQ8GvyQYk0JxZX9/YvULjQM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:03:04 -0500 From: "Tony Hughes" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: effects racks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2606_29384357.1166472184603" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:03:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2606_29384357.1166472184603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while looping. Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting effects. I will mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert loop on my repeater, but will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything else I can think of to make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit processor, but not break the bank. Thought I might ask the list. Tony ------=_Part_2606_29384357.1166472184603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while looping.  Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting effects.  I will mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert loop on my repeater, but will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything else I can think of to make sounds.  Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit processor, but not break the bank.  Thought I might ask the list. 
 
Tony
------=_Part_2606_29384357.1166472184603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 20:11:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07EEA3BEE0; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:11:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: effects racks? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) At 3:03 PM -0500 12/18/06, Tony Hughes wrote: >I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while >looping. Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting >effects. I will mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert >loop on my repeater, but will also be using my harmonica/vocals and >anything else I can think of to make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are >all great, but I'm also looking for interesting special effects >sounds (the crazier the better)...Would have to be stereo based and >hopefully include a 24bit processor, but not break the bank. >Thought I might ask the list. At the risk of giving away one of my 'secret weapons': Alesis Akira. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 20:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436AF3BEDE; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rMbmiSDtjb++jTMN6AyEtj+5oF9FlGJ0XEEIg2GkITlkriooeMMGKZnVbXln9JE1zIfHmCP/LBDfZnrLpibaFTS3MtRlIDVs/3JChSgJIaQ+H0eyVyapEsWpb40Xeddu1EyEPKNl7IbbtFd2ONhlEPCTzYQmswZNk95KXw1n6yg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:49:40 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B888@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B888@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:49:42 +0000 (UTC) > >>From: Krispen Hartung: Buying musical instruments as an investment...now that's a >notion that has always intrigued me. Not my 20 oz cup of chai tea with two shots of >espresso, as I consider myself a player and not a collector....<< I have a pile of instruments and stuff, but I don't 'collect' them as collectors items or investments. First off, I don't buy the collectible items. My first really nice guitar was an Electra from St Louis Music (Matsumoku made, like Ibanaz and Aria Pro). So, I have a 'thing' for them. I have a bunch and each is a different style. Got a strat copy, LP copy, 335, etc. I'm still watching for the Tele and SG copies. I play them all. However, I can't really see using guitars as investments. I go to the Philly Guitar show every few years and I marvel at the $500,000 Les Pauls, and $45,000 Strats. I think people are nuts for paying that much, but the world is full of nuts. I still find some good deals at yard sales. Got a EH Bass MicroSynth for $5 and a '45 Epiphone student model acoustic for $20. So, you never know! -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 21:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17D53BED8; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=itc927GYghsRdCyLU2w57IBIBR67Z6vM9CWlZy5nx/hVgxnQe+cHMCelg/wHDce0Jfvj9UuD0ZZ5KMcggvIWzoapMX+qQXvXMbh65I4HOqWsRWpNoT/QDo3yRYLDlMkBO1M+yWdEuaGt0qLQP08bLIgwH//8UMHALwTvG5dJHi0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:06:06 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects racks? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <43Q4mC.A.5yG.ALwhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:06:08 +0000 (UTC) > >I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while > >looping. Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting I use a Vortex and a Boss RSP-550. The Vortex is great for freaky effects and the Roland has some nice 'verbs and delays. The 550 can be MIDI controlled too, but I haven't gotten that far into it. I played around with a Behringer Virtualizer which has some ok effects for around $100. The Boss VF1 is rather popular among people who like to warp and twist their sound. Tony On 12/18/06, mech wrote: > At 3:03 PM -0500 12/18/06, Tony Hughes wrote: > >I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while > >looping. Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting > >effects. I will mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert > >loop on my repeater, but will also be using my harmonica/vocals and > >anything else I can think of to make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are > >all great, but I'm also looking for interesting special effects > >sounds (the crazier the better)...Would have to be stereo based and > >hopefully include a 24bit processor, but not break the bank. > >Thought I might ask the list. > > At the risk of giving away one of my 'secret weapons': Alesis Akira. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 21:27:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B10F3BED9; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ca01c722eb$5868a360$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B888@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:27:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:27:45 +0000 (UTC) ES-335...I have an interesting story about those "collectables". I bought a brand new Gibson ES-335, flaming maple blond, in 1997 ($3700)...beautiful looking guitar with an amazing finish. I bought a backup guitar, which was the Epiphone copy. And to be quite honest, I thought the Epiphone played much better (fretboard-wise) than the Gibson. In fact, if I had put those 335 57' humbuckers in the Epiphone and replaced the Epiphone tuners with the nice Grover tuners, the guitar would have been far superior to the Gibson in my perspective, for a fraction of the price ($550). One regret i do have, however is the 61' Gibson SG reissue I bought when I was in junior high, for $500, in a pawn shop...then sold it for a Aria with a whammy bar. Ugggg...... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc >> >>From: Krispen Hartung: Buying musical instruments as an >> >>investment...now that's a >notion that has always intrigued me. Not my >> >>20 oz cup of chai tea with two shots of >espresso, as I consider myself >> >>a player and not a collector....<< > > I have a pile of instruments and stuff, but I don't 'collect' them as > collectors items or investments. First off, I don't buy the > collectible items. My first really nice guitar was an Electra from St > Louis Music (Matsumoku made, like Ibanaz and Aria Pro). So, I have a > 'thing' for them. I have a bunch and each is a different style. Got > a strat copy, LP copy, 335, etc. I'm still watching for the Tele and > SG copies. I play them all. However, I can't really see using > guitars as investments. I go to the Philly Guitar show every few > years and I marvel at the $500,000 Les Pauls, and $45,000 Strats. I > think people are nuts for paying that much, but the world is full of > nuts. > > I still find some good deals at yard sales. Got a EH Bass MicroSynth > for $5 and a '45 Epiphone student model acoustic for $20. So, you > never know! > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 21:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1F53BEE0; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: effects racks? Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:34:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Message-Id: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:34:17 +0000 (UTC) I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier=20 the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a=20 24bit processor, but not break the bank.=C2=A0 Thought I might ask the=20 list.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tony alesis ineko, alesis bitrman.....digitech xp300.....i don't know=20 about the 24 bit voodoo.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and=20 security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from=20 across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 21:39:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C2333BEE1; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dsS+Q5fjkUH3sSWr1u5g9tIklQ7NxqgL6ZYlYsQe0Qbn2/8xTTI0xrCiUI35ganB/m4G/iy8+U5Klg+zkh0eGvDrH6nBNJxDGOF8RUq5J8YW7O6+oR3Md0cHQyAHXVHLVUR4zx6uN/QR2OK9eivI7m0uK6SQXzNEp2q0zFaKZj0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:38:58 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects racks? In-Reply-To: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) > alesis bitrman All of the Alesis ModFX boxes are great for mutilating sound. They are getting premium prices these days though. here's my wacky setup. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/258897922/in/set-72157594303469033/ Tony On 12/18/06, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier > the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a > 24bit processor, but not break the bank. Thought I might ask the > list. > > Tony > > alesis ineko, alesis bitrman.....digitech xp300.....i don't know > about the 24 bit voodoo.....:)m > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 22:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA97B3BEDA; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4587120E.70901@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:11:26 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects racks? References: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000501030102070603080707" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0659-1, 12/16/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <3solp.A.UqC.ZIxhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:11:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000501030102070603080707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, a few week's (months?) ago, there were several store displays for sale on eBay that included one of each of the units, going for $120 for the whole kit. Now, though, I can't seem to find /any/. I have the phaser, which I love, but seem to have lost the power supply in the move to my new house. Sigh... If anyone has ModFX boxes to sell, please pass the word along! --Josh Tony K wrote: >> alesis bitrman > > All of the Alesis ModFX boxes are great for mutilating sound. They > are getting premium prices these days though. > > here's my wacky setup. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/258897922/in/set-72157594303469033/ > > Tony > > On 12/18/06, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier >> the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a >> 24bit processor, but not break the bank. Thought I might ask the >> list. >> >> Tony >> >> alesis ineko, alesis bitrman.....digitech xp300.....i don't know >> about the 24 bit voodoo.....:)m >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and >> security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from >> across the web, free AOL Mail and more. >> >> > > --------------000501030102070603080707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, a few week's (months?) ago, there were several store displays for sale on eBay that included one of each of the units, going for $120 for the whole kit.  Now, though, I can't seem to find any.  I have the phaser, which I love, but seem to have lost the power supply in the move to my new house.  Sigh...

If anyone has ModFX boxes to sell, please pass the word along!

--Josh

Tony K wrote:
alesis bitrman

All of the Alesis ModFX boxes are great for mutilating sound.  They
are getting premium prices these days though.

here's my wacky setup.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/258897922/in/set-72157594303469033/

Tony

On 12/18/06, nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
  I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier
the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a
24bit processor, but not break the bank. Thought I might ask the
list.

 Tony

    alesis ineko, alesis bitrman.....digitech xp300.....i don't know
about the 24 bit voodoo.....:)m
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--------------000501030102070603080707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 22:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FDE13BEDD; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JlyyJ2BHOf1WLXFuqbKneAWk9ulTLasivfDYG/TxmCWslu1pnFRXs+395sb7nggTrCFzXmdwlIcWEkudz4YdLApqUT/o89McJHyJZVv4d702qwHv0yi4ul7MDv8v6lVLoXGQNDj27x6RfUFSqIDcTC9eciN/CU2ebbDtW5OTIpI=; X-YMail-OSG: K76JkqAVM1kiUIpcKUinwjcN1qFLbTVXRGLIXpmx3RiLygq2ngA6GUoU._e.ZccotABziCXmrUUQZaKu2ofPeW3VOg2nT93ciqDPyT_8McbZgFinJHsR0vANN6lp0ihg1zFLP2l_vmPv_GA- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:36:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: effects racks? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <820932.64690.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:36:50 +0000 (UTC) It's not rack gear, but the Korg KAOSS pad is SWEET and always lived nicely in my Repeater's effect loop. For the rack part you'll want a compressor as the output of the KAOSS pad can get a bit hot. Also, the Alesis AirFX is way more fun than any $150 effect processor should be. Mark --- Tony Hughes wrote: > I've been looking into rack based effects processors > to use while looping. > Wondering what people use to create > ambient/interesting effects. I will > mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert > loop on my repeater, but > will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything > else I can think of to > make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but > I'm also looking for > interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the > better)...Would have to > be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit > processor, but not break the > bank. Thought I might ask the list. > > Tony > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 23:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3E213BEE1; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4587120E.70901@infinivert.com> References: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> <4587120E.70901@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:51:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: effects racks? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8xeV7C.A.-l.5lyhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:51:21 +0000 (UTC) At 4:11 PM -0600 12/18/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: >Yeah, a few week's (months?) ago, there were several store displays >for sale on eBay that included one of each of the units, going for >$120 for the whole kit. Now, though, I can't seem to find any. I >have the phaser, which I love, but seem to have lost the power >supply in the move to my new house. Sigh... That was actually Nova Musik ( http://www.novamusik.com/ ), up thisaway in Milwaukee. I'm pretty certain they've blown through all those setups, but I think they still have a few Phlngrs left, if you wanna jump on one of those. They have the AirFX in stock too. Also, Audio Lines here in Chicago ( http://www.audiolines.com/ ) still has the Ampliton and Faze in stock, as well as at least one Akira. I really dig the Akira because -- like the Ineko -- it collects most of the ModFX boxes into a single unit. And I'll second Mark's recommendation on the KAOSS and AirFX units. They may not be rack units (we seemed to have strayed from that criteria) but they are a heckuva lot of fun. --m. -- _______ "Snakes, as the great philosophers used to say, on a motherfucking plane...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBED53BEDC; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=J1uL8auLQgPu+fjv3rpx7yY2OUsPxzoaGnwInAQqvbe+W/Xt9iIwXyLI8Iz48ny34hdmIuth80FOKsy3YOWTuCo/kXAxuuK3KthjFSuo2Ho7sqF7vihGqnubZ7lB0EfEn6QtD3INiwy5vhWZBcQ2ztbkvTkOgvRJo4n3Pvg+Skk=; X-YMail-OSG: kwetJDMVM1kiIyyEuoENe4R6YNzpmC51isHatVYyAehKJ9RN4pO4mei2tLoxfE9Or7Fn_kdD1sOGB0OFPBr5o.ORoyPvz0rZ__e2f9mrWsI53BJOTv_w3Q-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Hey Travis, I am not sure i am understanding your mail right, perhaps i havent discovered this hidden option,how do you copy an existing loop over another already recorded loop?are you talking about perhaps insert? This were the kind of requests i was asking the developers before the powerful loop IV came out!for example Next record is an awesome function but the best thing thats ever happened to me lately is setting direct access to different loops mapped on the FCB1010!anybody that owns and EDP and only uses the EFC-7 doesnt know what he is missing,the EFC-7 is just an appetizer!! cheers Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Recently I was delighted to discover that on the EDP > you could copy an > existing loop over another already-recorded loop > when using the MIDI > commands for direct loop access (instead of the > NextLoop button on the > EFC-7). This has been something I've been wanting > to do but hadn't > discovered it in the manual. > > What I'm wondering is if there's a way to start with > something in Loop1, > then record that to Loop2 while overdubbing (I > already know this can be > done), and then go from Loop2 to Loop3, without > pause, copying not Loop2, > but Loop1 to Loop3, overdubbing as I go. This would > allow me to set up a > percussion track on Loop1, play a verse as Loop2 and > then go straight to the > chorus for Loop3 with no interruption. Currently I > have to go back to Loop1 > and the to Loop3. I'm doubting the software > supports it, since it seems to > violate one of the underlying principles of the Loop > software, i.e. "All > operations are based on the current playing loop", > but it can't hurt to ask. > > TravisH > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D7B3BEE2; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GSYhxhslKjXqvDrnhXkQWarlbz6zRYFxTj1UJPjhdKLysFoPk8JwGkdQWG9A9hHP6ZyvG2sbprFhWcY1BgXgqCE702AsXwIVwvmdpDxwc0guTbWaUMwU3vMeTMypwCKMz+/7YFXHLfY9ZdxGh/yDh0c92jdsFPgvKrmysie+MGE=; X-YMail-OSG: d.kFvdIVM1nNkwnUUlkVawYVeWShV5ExeoFeiZBsJ2gGhs638ieVJ7V9tQ5O2VTJBHa1Z28FSEUWlR0.Aiu6GCbQc32ZwCrpkH8f.lVVHaeNQ2u93oV31Q-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:22:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <806A66A2-F3A4-42B2-B4F3-C07BDD407C75@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <906324.37735.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Yes! i just saw the film "an inconvenient truth" but even more shocking was finding out that only about 2 million americans have seen this film thats 290 million that havent seen it!anyway it was so depressing i had to drink a couple of beers afterwards....no wonder people are looking to move to mars! Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > it's gonna happen!!! hopefully before the ocean > rises 4 1/2 > feet...the other news today. > > On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > >> brain-controlled midi interface > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4AA33BEE6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aYNcmeOeQA6OD8keO56iIXgOBXcaldyw9pQI3xYu2sZFyStC+tPmPHc/3OnkOzMRdJHXqT94ESEHI62kwaLcJ2+zD/PCuSnbzkKJy493uUv48zs4buhu2PgsTMcmZYfQXEAU7WVlKNM4CTdpOCoive0aAnpo8xKvpsGC/yi74Dw=; X-YMail-OSG: .IMpFY0VM1k3o4EAvIHNUtF.OtkEbBxFCZ7Fpou58uGd9EQlvIqKKBYLcKFry_H_tZbbB.bAL1rYLtllaNn3IKGN6Mr9HTLBELGCjZRsUownzzgSm82Rgg-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:25:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4E4F8F4E-FA0B-4D4B-BDA3-7CF24A25B23B@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <376126.46808.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6IYd.A.RoC.HGzhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:25:43 +0000 (UTC) i did as well, but his price and weight turned me off and the fact of playing mono so i returned it and got a compact P.A. system --- Zoe Keating wrote: > I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago > and was pretty > impressed....but that was with a cello. > > > On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: > > >> Anyone have any ideas for a small, > >>> compact guitar amp for > >>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, > >>> etc? > > > > How compact? What price range? If you want > something to drool > > over, check > > out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus > model. > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:29:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9BA63BEE8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uWsZR3LqYS2Z095DYWR+yPGTAgp/E6NRiLsHujLmc2Xj9DjgRNvfWfDrooc+3eNlhPJh3CnZ5gbms2/OhvHeqtwjO+QM0AS5udNVluvtyRfzoyN7GdkhGh0YUChIYp4dThvmc0rPS3hkE7Cp4mgmluPgcXtty77w16N23YktTXI=; X-YMail-OSG: 9dE2TqIVM1krrfhKJOXCRdNA3nXsDb8vMphKCNJZhOKpbz98IpHXosg.KpOSXKMpUkmcc9Jpdgh8NMyLviRWe2zs6EJqDBHWEvD_jKYV2RPUAnN1CmQ99w-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c7218a$3dc7dba0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <492435.83932.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8asxxB.A.x4C.qJzhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Yikes!if there is something i cannot stand anymore lately about a lot of the digital modeling efx is its cold digi-sounding noise supressor even my Boss NS-2 pedals sounds nicer and smoother! Luis --- Paul wrote: > I agree whole-heartedly. Almost every modeling amp & > multi-effect always > includes a real array of (for my purposes) useless > patches. In my case > (similar to Krispen's sentiments) the metal stuff > doesn't get any use. > What's even worse (I guess I'm lazy when it comes to > organizing patches) is > when one scrolls through that panoply and the gain > on metal patches jumps up > to '11'. My Cyber Twin is like that. Yikes! > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > > > Good point, Bill. Like this one, I suppose: > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AD50VT/ > > > > Too bad they don't offer a Reverb + Delay effect > combo, like the Roland > > Cubes. > > > > My only complaint about most of these amps is that > they try to satisfy a > > very broad target audience, and so you get all the > metal settings. > > > > So, speaking of dream Christmas list items, I wish > someone would make a > > DSP amp just for jazzers: > > > > Amp Models: > > > > Roland JC-120, Boogie Mark III, Boogie Mark I, > Fender Twin, Vintage > > Polytone Teeny Brute (1X10), Vintage Polytone Mega > Brute (1X15), Vintage > > Fender Princeton, Vintage Vender Professional > (1X15), Lab Series L5, Mesa > > Boogie DC-5, Gibson GA50, Evan AE150, Acoustic > 134, etc > > > > Effects: > > > > Delay, Chous, Delay + Chorus, Delay + Reverb, > Reverb + Delay, Tremelo, > > Compression, Reverb + Chorus + Delay (two of any > effects at the same time, > > plus level adjust for each) > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > > > > >> I'd check out the vox amps in a similar price > range if I were you. their > >> modeling stuff is excellent and the effects are > Korg in origin so stuff > >> like > >> delay chorus and verb are well rendered. Plus the > 12ax7 tube they use in > >> the > >> power stage, does improve the feel and touch > response, something that > >> lacks a > >> bit in modeling. > >> Ho Ho Ho > >> Bill > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:29:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0737A3BEEC; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.181] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061219001032.6E0963BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #904 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 00:29:33.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[C16C9AB0:01C72304] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:34 +0000 (UTC) I bought my '77 ibanez 335 copy because I sat in the music store and compared gibson and Ibanez versions back to back ,and liked the I better.Cost way less,now has yellowed vintage looking binding ,and hasn't changed 1 centimeter,even after travelling back and forth between Hawaii,Ore,and California,in various seasons.\ In my experience,which others have confirmed.Airfx are fun till they die,which doesn't take long. _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351C13BEE8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o4tkNUKryJj6cp+2Wg7hVoGfmwYcsI367wGhgbGt5qeKZ05AIsP9eMRIkjd2VR9ev/hyCryWRFuDULg31nMyc7o4/c0q2WTw155RUu+Nr14w/HEfA1xb1aWLWs5FKMgDKMvyVxhcRFzFz9+1120DHW83zdoUk2d8FTxCpUysyUI=; X-YMail-OSG: IP06le8VM1n52GsRlHE6ZXqDx1M50vtFjO9z0eQ3d8i2lQNMdXzFOAWqh2eY8M_PGobnvFMqBs5DLGgzJRyKaLRMxsD19oKw6RjIt4RedS6BOSOc.dvQDw-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: drumset under 300.00 dlls (was Re: Looper's Christmas list) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <567639.31156.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) ok so this is not a loop pedal but a drumset my 8 yr old son has been asking for(the loopers i already have so he practices) so to all you drumers what drumset would you buy under 300.00 dlls.that sounds like a million? China is bringing to many options but i dont want to be buying a new set every year! Luis --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's > Christmas lists". :) > > Actually, since it's addressed to more than one > person, it should be > "all y'all's Christmas lists". > > "y'all" is the formal second person singular -- the > equivalent of > using "vous" to address an individual instead of > "tu". > > "all y'all" is the second person plural. > > Or so I'm told. > > Mark > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:38:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6633BEE8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061219003834.35855.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gwQjl89H5+YcnJCXrx933VjSzmFRUcbSwtiqzDL0GBvv0boADFSUZ57Fc1h+jk/TY/XdB8B8en/gWtFpuK1NPv9IU2NGYoBUnPPPs0cipnLYcTlWf0+6nMVKf9dpY5jTx6pr27UdjDseI8eZThQywP3MWzLO6D6rF653YTI8De4=; X-YMail-OSG: XW.JEdoVM1lhxLEqJlKSFPwjetbVKQzt3c3YOUJtZuqJVeXahJPi7SloWm7WAodLcLzTOjnmzXjVeSAcgFu70nGNoP5WEK.JYpGBXoKEd_nRl_uFt568eJn45W0sp.KGI6TPkbzb99ORVHQxkg0ViAaHZlo.C0rJ5Q-- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <492435.83932.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7M-k-D.A.HiD.LSzhFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:38:35 +0000 (UTC) I tell you, one of the first things I do with any guitar effect processor is disable any noise supressor. Get a good guitar, good cables and keep your gain stages hot and lay off too much compressor and you probably never need one. In the end it is the noise that will differentiate us from the robots. M --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Yikes!if there is something i cannot stand anymore > lately about a lot of the digital modeling efx is > its > cold digi-sounding noise supressor even my Boss NS-2 > pedals sounds nicer and smoother! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F0B13BED5; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O4y3pIQKtJuFlDr8LBwZJzBhfdW5lnd8TLQilC+pdzhjGa6/nlpgvUtQ8EjK+hkzbPj1wBXcI8WVEm9ynmCs2cp/38JSoC/FdhSKHdS8zTCrhgkHQzb1stbSES88KZSZqi4ngEgAWQ+l74sszDfBU5XSivapbgLD1B6Jnfh0YF8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:44:52 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question In-Reply-To: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37690_1648420.1166489092360" References: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:44:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37690_1648420.1166489092360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The way that I do it is program some FCB buttons to access loops directly, so for example button 6 is Loop1, 7=Loop2, 8=Loop3. Then I start off recording something in Loop1. I have my autorecord set to Yes, and switchloop (or whatever that parameter is called) set to change loops at the end of the current loop. So now I've got Loop1 playing, and I press button 7, which sends a Loop2 command. The EDP display switches to the lame duck display while it waits for Loop1 to complete, then it starts recording in Loop2. Now Loop2 is going, and I've still got my original Loop1. If I press button6 (for Loop1), it goes into lame duck again. During the lame duck, if you press button six again, it will then record over Loop1 just as if you were doing a loopcopy, or a nextloop into an empty loop. Super useful for me. Let me know if you can't replicate it from that description and I'll pass on all my parameters. TravisH On 12/18/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Hey Travis, > I am not sure i am understanding your mail right, > perhaps i havent discovered this hidden option,how do > you copy an existing loop over another already > recorded loop?are you talking about perhaps insert? > This were the kind of requests i was asking the > developers before the powerful loop IV came out!for > example Next record is an awesome function but the > best thing thats ever happened to me lately is setting > direct access to different loops mapped on the > FCB1010!anybody that owns and EDP and only uses the > EFC-7 doesnt know what he is missing,the EFC-7 is just > an appetizer!! > cheers > Luis > > > > ------=_Part_37690_1648420.1166489092360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The way that I do it is program some FCB buttons to access loops directly, so for example button 6 is Loop1, 7=Loop2, 8=Loop3. 
Then I start off recording something in Loop1.  I have my autorecord set to Yes, and switchloop (or whatever that parameter is called) set to change loops at the end of the current loop.  So now I've got Loop1 playing, and I press button 7, which sends a Loop2 command. 
The EDP display switches to the lame duck display while it waits for Loop1 to complete, then it starts recording in Loop2. 
Now Loop2 is going, and I've still got my original Loop1.  If I press button6 (for Loop1), it goes into lame duck again. During the lame duck, if you press button six again, it will then record over Loop1 just as if you were doing a loopcopy, or a nextloop into an empty loop.  Super useful for me.
Let me know if you can't replicate it from that description and I'll pass on all my parameters.

TravisH

On 12/18/06, L.A. Angulo < labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Travis,
I am not sure i am understanding your mail right,
perhaps i havent discovered this hidden option,how do
you copy an existing loop over another already
recorded loop?are you talking about perhaps insert?
This were the kind of requests i was asking the
developers before the powerful loop IV came out!for
example Next record is an awesome function but the
best thing thats ever happened to me lately is setting
direct access to different loops mapped on the
FCB1010!anybody that owns and EDP and only uses the
EFC-7 doesnt know what he is missing,the EFC-7 is just
an appetizer!!
cheers
Luis




------=_Part_37690_1648420.1166489092360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 00:58:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755B83BEDA; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c72308$c316f280$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <906324.37735.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:58:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (no wonder people are looking to move to mars!) I thought the location was Antarctica! ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list > Yes! i just saw the film "an inconvenient truth" but > even more shocking was finding out that only about 2 > million americans have seen this film thats 290 > million that havent seen it!anyway it was so > depressing i had to drink a couple of beers > afterwards....no wonder people are looking to move to > mars! > Luis > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> it's gonna happen!!! hopefully before the ocean >> rises 4 1/2 >> feet...the other news today. >> >> On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> > >> > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html >> > >> > --- Zoe Keating wrote: >> > >> >> brain-controlled midi interface >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > ______________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail >> beta. >> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 01:00:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490733BEE0; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=12pYnxylmlkBzHXUTARbUt7go45sjtYeygXZW5sKE9NDEz0BTsdSg4bA0OnZvkOTxw/UyU98w0PYRKbS8xACG0w1oBl3wBAryr1zyts8XN5sdYtbZbxMH5l0kFGE18ZkMC94AgzVK0IGxwVzZF5Ghoc/mKoQMk6Vo4jnAJX6b+s=; X-YMail-OSG: jwWQziEVM1ldq2_i31WFHJCYCz.AJR8usEWPeYZPx7P29fklMkx8SGPPQsseLQVf.f0GmzFN2x_g2hkIpLf_p1ib0lsHykms9bn0ciXJbVD1._ZGKCH9Pv.qhLKIq9Y66vv10F9zD3y6D4k- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B888@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:00:27 +0000 (UTC) --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > last year I went looking for & bought a 1963 fender > precision just because I imagined it would have a > certain "mojo" about it. > > I hate myself for this too. It's no collector's item, but I swear my G&L Skyhawk from the early 80s has some "mojo." I once tried to trade it for some Ibanez Floyd Rose bedazzeled monster and I swear I cried myself to sleep for a month solid. Luckily I wised up and went back to the store and it was still there and they let me trade it back. I lost the cash I put in, but I considered that and education expense. It's odd though. When I sold my Repeater I felt no remorse at all. Did the Repeater HAVE NO SOUL? My Lexicon JamMan did. I know it. Perhaps it it up to the owner to dole out the mojo.... BABY. This has led me to think about my new gear. Does my Laptop have mojo? Of course not, it's a Toshiba! My G5's got some. Surely a VST can't... or can it? There is no resale value to any of these things, no matter how much they make one sound like a miniMoog. I like it that way. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 01:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897123BEDC; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45873F45.5070406@frey.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:24:21 +1300 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc References: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:24:49 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > This has led me to think about my new gear. Does my > Laptop have mojo? Of course not, it's a Toshiba! My > G5's got some. Surely a VST can't... or can it? I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard. If there's one thing I can't stand in fellow musicians it's this mystifying of the act, as though anything that feels this good has got to have subterranean mystical roots. It keeps us isolated and disconnected from the people who pull the strings. We're a brilliant example of an alternative to a legion of television-watching consuming zombies: people who make their own entertainment, and enjoy it a hell of a lot more; and yet we shoot ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching supernatural powers to our pieces of kit. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 02:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81FB63BEDA; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45875308.5030106@hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:48:40 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping footwear References: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 02:48:31 +0000 (UTC) A while back: LD discussion of appropriate footwear for looping. I will give an example of what ISN'T good: wooden clogs! On my one Euro trip, I picked up some in Holland, and have recently been enjoying them for warmth in Portland Oregon's cold/wet winter. Full wooden ones! Not very good for walking far, but super-comfy indoors. But definitely NOT for pushing FCB1010 buttons (barely ok for piano damper pedal)! No comparison to socks... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 03:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A5D3BECF; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006201c72321$6be919c0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45873F45.5070406@frey.co.nz> Subject: Anthropomorphism Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey, didn't BB King call his ax "Lucille"? :) ""I'm very crazy about Lucille," he (BB) begins. It's a general reference of course, for after all, many guitars have been part of King's life. "I've had many guitars ... and I always call them Lucille. She's taken me a long way, even brought me some fame ... most of all, she's kept me alive, being able to eat ... Lucille practically saved my life two or three times," he says, referring to one of his several auto accidents, "The car stopped turning over, it fell over on Lucille and it held it up off of me." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Stewart" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc > mark sottilaro wrote: > >> This has led me to think about my new gear. Does my >> Laptop have mojo? Of course not, it's a Toshiba! My >> G5's got some. Surely a VST can't... or can it? > > I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard. > > If there's one thing I can't stand in fellow musicians it's this > mystifying of the act, as though anything that feels this good has got to > have subterranean mystical roots. It keeps us isolated and disconnected > from the people who pull the strings. > > We're a brilliant example of an alternative to a legion of > television-watching consuming zombies: people who make their own > entertainment, and enjoy it a hell of a lot more; and yet we shoot > ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching supernatural powers to > our pieces of kit. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 04:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9538C3BED9; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3qczEmTKqpI7nVYc2vHyBC7PotrsfdHxVYPfc/LieXzpCuA7LMjyhb4OdL3OGan7sAA9mDsXWNnqsQBIGfA/i6EEqYdqjVgDsSibo+hyMzfmAanKOcAIVMHWUdopt8Z30HOrb5MGj0e/EvvI+dkqwKsizka+7dNW1cZRp0Fsf8U=; X-YMail-OSG: 53N8sgYVM1mLXReDIMYoja1x1jXqQhQRLbRDigTH4Xnc244EKNVNCsiPYxXKJGazwcPY6oTIP.VR9Fl42Ar9J4gb80jSFDjREklvPd.fNQLy_hey.bjjmwvNVRsZP4Ly9M_LnyjyRGLgd4w- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: A VOODOO CURSE UPON Damian Stewart! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45873F45.5070406@frey.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <715575.85570.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:02:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm giving you a voodoo purple nurple right now, I hope it hurts like hell. ;) Me thinks you missed my sarcasm my friend. However, on that note there's nothing that will make me stop believing that someone can bestow "powers" on an inanimate object that they develop a "relationship" with. As a tool user by genetic disposition, my tools become an extention of myself. My clothes are an extension of my skin. My car is an extention of my legs... when I had one. My guitar is an extention of my voice and there for when I find one that "sings" in the voice I believe to be mine, I develop a relationship to it. If someone were to take it away, it would be like taking away part of my vocal chords or... my car! When I sold my car I felt a twinge of something like a living part of me had been amputated. I belive the term is called propreoception (sp?). It's the sense one has that they are part of a system. Like when you're parking and you kind of wince when you know you're getting close to the car next to you in a tight spot. --- Damian Stewart wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > This has led me to think about my new gear. Does > my > > Laptop have mojo? Of course not, it's a Toshiba! > My > > G5's got some. Surely a VST can't... or can it? > > I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have > ever heard. > > If there's one thing I can't stand in fellow > musicians it's this > mystifying of the act, as though anything that feels > this good has got > to have subterranean mystical roots. It keeps us > isolated and > disconnected from the people who pull the strings. > > We're a brilliant example of an alternative to a > legion of > television-watching consuming zombies: people who > make their own > entertainment, and enjoy it a hell of a lot more; > and yet we shoot > ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching > supernatural powers to > our pieces of kit. > > -- > Damian Stewart > +64 27 305 4107 > > f r e y > live music with machines > http://www.frey.co.nz > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 04:19:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23BA3BED5; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45876827.9010706@frey.co.nz> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:18:47 +1300 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A VOODOO CURSE UPON Damian Stewart! References: <715575.85570.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <715575.85570.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:19:04 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm giving you a voodoo purple nurple right now, I > hope it hurts like hell. ;) yeah, sorry. i'm touchy cos it's Christmas. BUY MORE USELESS SH*T! &c. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 05:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74A13BED3; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CSx0Y6LxtFZsMS4a16z1Ha7V+O7R9nKhfvDpbE600XvpFrd3esEonlwiGEPSG1rZ; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; In-Reply-To: <006201c72321$6be919c0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> References: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45873F45.5070406@frey.co.nz> <006201c72321$6be919c0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--780003780 Message-Id: <2788DED4-CAC7-4E8A-9007-78FF47BF75AB@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Anthropomorphism Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:22:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799b1d068abba010e75c3ca2870b7203e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:22:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--780003780 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hmmm; this must be from one of them post-modern materialism- fundamentalist knuckleheads. They're our penance, I guess. But don't worry, his kids'll all be hippies. Somewhere, Damian wrote: >> yet we shoot ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching >> supernatural powers to our pieces of kit. --Apple-Mail-1--780003780 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm; this must be from one of them post-modern materialism-fundamentalist knuckleheads. They're our penance, I guess. But don't worry, his kids'll all be hippies.



Somewhere, Damian wrote:

yet we shoot ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching supernatural powers to our pieces of kit.


--Apple-Mail-1--780003780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 10:33:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA6A3BED0; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:12:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: effects racks? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4587BAFD.15650.4524DD@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8C8F10363C62989-12C0-26A2@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:33:30 +0000 (UTC) On 18 Dec 2006 at 16:34, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier > the better)...Would have to be stereo based Alesis airFX - simple to use & some crazy sounds. You can hear one in action at a recent gig here - if my hand is flapping up & down, it's an airfX ;) http://nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm on the audio page I sent a detailed wish list to alesis (midi patches, footswitchable "hold", x/y/z sensitivity controls etc) but they said they have no plans for a mark 2. You can get them so cheaply on ebay and you'll get hours of sonic fun... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 11:05:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636BB3BEDF; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.2] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061219103332.5279C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #905 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:05:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 11:05:05.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[89CF66B0:01C7235D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Comrade Damian,If you don't like gear animism, and don't indulge in it why do you say we? Do you really desire the good opinion of TV watching consumer zombies? Personally.I grew up around the people who pull the strings,and have since striven mightily increase my isolation from them. _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 14:57:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BED83BED6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 380215815 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:55:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B894@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc thread-index: Accjfako8ce+kYLsTfC8zDwFPrXJzg== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 14:55:02.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[A948E780:01C7237D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:57:32 +0000 (UTC) >>I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never = had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed of the = spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to = wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like. damian, don't knock what you don't understand. duncan.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 15:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E2433BEE6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <458800F8.1080702@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:10:48 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects racks? References: <820932.64690.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <820932.64690.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010101090401070802030706" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0660-0, 12/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010101090401070802030706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both of those are on my Christmas list... crossing my fingers! mark sottilaro wrote: > It's not rack gear, but the Korg KAOSS pad is SWEET > and always lived nicely in my Repeater's effect loop. > For the rack part you'll want a compressor as the > output of the KAOSS pad can get a bit hot. > > Also, the Alesis AirFX is way more fun than any $150 > effect processor should be. > > Mark > > --- Tony Hughes wrote: > > >> I've been looking into rack based effects processors >> to use while looping. >> Wondering what people use to create >> ambient/interesting effects. I will >> mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert >> loop on my repeater, but >> will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything >> else I can think of to >> make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but >> I'm also looking for >> interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the >> better)...Would have to >> be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit >> processor, but not break the >> bank. Thought I might ask the list. >> >> Tony >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------010101090401070802030706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both of those are on my Christmas list... crossing my fingers!

mark sottilaro wrote: 
It's not rack gear, but the Korg KAOSS pad is SWEET
and always lived nicely in my Repeater's effect loop. 
For the rack part you'll want a compressor as the
output of the KAOSS pad can get a bit hot.

Also, the Alesis AirFX is way more fun than any $150
effect processor should be.

Mark

--- Tony Hughes <hughes.tony@gmail.com> wrote:

  
I've been looking into rack based effects processors
to use while looping.
Wondering what people use to create
ambient/interesting effects.  I will
mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert
loop on my repeater, but
will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything
else I can think of to
make sounds.  Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but
I'm also looking for
interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the
better)...Would have to
be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit
processor, but not break the
bank.  Thought I might ask the list.

Tony

    



 
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--------------010101090401070802030706-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 15:25:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC4C3BEF5; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ES9wVt+wW8AT58iDpKnywylnUx+ZAZJP36wVcNN5gEEQEITpT7nRoGLRwZE4vXyCY494GfHgPa0UnypNPpHcaMAWPHOCxs/6OusI1tsWb3CaG/pplbtF42Ro5eiRo975MZhBg0da/eOF5CT4AR8orC/5lj3m6QxYdYOLcrhH/hE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:25:34 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anthropomorphism In-Reply-To: <006201c72321$6be919c0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061219010025.62798.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45873F45.5070406@frey.co.nz> <006201c72321$6be919c0$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) As I recall, he called it Lucille because the bar he was playing in caught fire and he ran back in to get his guitar. Lucille was some woman that two guys started a fight over and they knocked over a can of kerosene that was used to heat the place. I'm just a compendium of useless information. >and yet we shoot >ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching supernatural powers to >our pieces of kit. Not so much supernatural powers but... don't your instruments give you a 'vibe' ?? Maybe from the history you have with it? The way it makes you feel when you play it? Emotional association is a powerful force. :) Tony On 12/18/06, Paul wrote: > Hey, didn't BB King call his ax "Lucille"? :) > > ""I'm very crazy about Lucille," he (BB) begins. It's a general reference of > course, for after all, many guitars have been part of King's life. "I've had > many guitars ... and I always call them Lucille. She's taken me a long way, > even brought me some fame ... most of all, she's kept me alive, being able > to eat ... Lucille practically saved my life two or three times," he says, > referring to one of his several auto accidents, "The car stopped turning > over, it fell over on Lucille and it held it up off of me." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damian Stewart" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc > > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > >> This has led me to think about my new gear. Does my > >> Laptop have mojo? Of course not, it's a Toshiba! My > >> G5's got some. Surely a VST can't... or can it? > > > > I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard. > > > > If there's one thing I can't stand in fellow musicians it's this > > mystifying of the act, as though anything that feels this good has got to > > have subterranean mystical roots. It keeps us isolated and disconnected > > from the people who pull the strings. > > > > We're a brilliant example of an alternative to a legion of > > television-watching consuming zombies: people who make their own > > entertainment, and enjoy it a hell of a lot more; and yet we shoot > > ourselves and our image in the foot by attaching supernatural powers to > > our pieces of kit. > > > > -- > > Damian Stewart > > +64 27 305 4107 > > > > f r e y > > live music with machines > > http://www.frey.co.nz > > http://www.myspace.com/freyed > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 15:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A333BED8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046201c72384$2d0d9ab0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45875308.5030106@hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Looping footwear Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:41:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Wood clogs...great one, David. Folks have to keep reminding me to not where my 6 inch stiletto pumps when I go out looping.....but it's just so cool to be able to press buttons on your laptop keyboard with your shoe heels. :) I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot stilts, the kind that painters or ceiling finishers use. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Auker" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Looping footwear >A while back: LD discussion of appropriate footwear for looping. I will >give an example of what ISN'T good: wooden clogs! On my one Euro trip, I >picked up some in Holland, and have recently been enjoying them for warmth >in Portland Oregon's cold/wet winter. Full wooden ones! Not very good for >walking far, but super-comfy indoors. But definitely NOT for pushing >FCB1010 buttons (barely ok for piano damper pedal)! No comparison to >socks... > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 15:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173F23BEDB; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:18:10 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping footwear Message-ID: <20061219151810.GA29631@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20061219001030.25589.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45875308.5030106@hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45875308.5030106@hevanet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: <5s1hDB.A.19B.DxAiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) You gave me a good laugh. I'm always being asked about or made fun of being in my socks when I play out. :O) On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 06:48:40PM -0800, David Auker wrote: > A while back: LD discussion of appropriate footwear for looping. I will > give an example of what ISN'T good: wooden clogs! On my one Euro trip, > I picked up some in Holland, and have recently been enjoying them for > warmth in Portland Oregon's cold/wet winter. Full wooden ones! Not > very good for walking far, but super-comfy indoors. But definitely NOT > for pushing FCB1010 buttons (barely ok for piano damper pedal)! No > comparison to socks... > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 16:44:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7DB53BEDB; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B894@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B894@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--739132747 Message-Id: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:43:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:44:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--739132747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Vintage instruments? It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, but the theory is sound I think. I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a technician. it makes all the difference to me. Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet who isn't. 58 years and counting. Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed devils and angels out of. So...???? Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always thought one really well played howling note could out perform a blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and value. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: >>> I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< > > it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's > never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object > possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. > this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly > fenders & the like. > > damian, don't knock what you don't understand. > > duncan. > --Apple-Mail-1--739132747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Vintage instruments? It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, but the theory is sound I think. I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a technician. it makes all the difference to me. Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet who isn't. 58 years and counting. Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed devils and angels out of. So...???? Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always thought one really well played howling note could out perform a blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and value. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<<<< it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like. damian, don't knock what you don't understand. duncan. --Apple-Mail-1--739132747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 16:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AEF23BEE1; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:47:23 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: effects racks? Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001601c7238d$5f3c80b0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: thread-index: Acci34gcO4o+tHmJT6+1eIcFIPzHTgArQxjQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:47:28 +0000 (UTC) If you have it in your Repeater's effects loop, 24bit might not be that much important as you think ;). Also, "not break the bank" is not very specific - what breaks your bank? I have to second some of the recommendations already given (Vortex, with its only drawbacks the very unintuitive user interface and the lack of MIDI sync and the Kaoss Pad), as well as to add the Nord Modular series. The MicroModular is not rack based but tabletop-style, but it gives you great audio processing power, especially with the tons of envelopes, LFOs, step sequencers and logical operators. Sadly, no reverb and only minimum amount of delay. The G2 engine doesn't have these limitations, but is much more expensive and does not have an UI of its own - you'll need a MIDI controller even to switch patches. I personally enjoy the (Eventide) Eclipse very much for ambient/interesting stuff, but this might be in the bankbreaking department... Rainer ________________________________ Von: Tony Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Dezember 2006 21:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: effects racks? I've been looking into rack based effects processors to use while looping. Wondering what people use to create ambient/interesting effects. I will mainly be running a keyboard through the fx insert loop on my repeater, but will also be using my harmonica/vocals and anything else I can think of to make sounds. Delay/Reverb etc...are all great, but I'm also looking for interesting special effects sounds (the crazier the better)...Would have to be stereo based and hopefully include a 24bit processor, but not break the bank. Thought I might ask the list. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EE683BEF3; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10255716.1166547794401.JavaMail.root@web38> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:03:14 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Cc: Richard Sales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (Many musicians of India.......... won't let anybody TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. -- Kind of like Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap. ("Don't touch it. Don't touch it." to Rob Reiner) Paul ---- Richard Sales wrote: > Vintage instruments? > > It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made > of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for > ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple > physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can > sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially > acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them > to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, > but the theory is sound I think. > > I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, > actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here > (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But > my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, > sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it > is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. > Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much > because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. > > Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time > to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than > anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR > INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars > - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the > player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to > some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my > guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can > download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or > when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my > guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. > David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. > This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close > attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a > technician. it makes all the difference to me. > > Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your > time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet > who isn't. 58 years and counting. > > Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new > Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to > have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write > that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... > or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does > that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars > and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked > closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five > brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed > devils and angels out of. So...???? > > Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very > fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I > personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always > thought one really well played howling note could out perform a > blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've > got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it > happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you > don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. > > There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and > business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have > soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros > and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, > storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. > > Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and > minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and > technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's > FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my > angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. > > And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. > > I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and > value. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > >>> I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< > > > > it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's > > never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object > > possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. > > this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly > > fenders & the like. > > > > damian, don't knock what you don't understand. > > > > duncan. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:26:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5FFA3BEF0; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612191726.kBJHQV9r046784@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:26:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7234F.C5231DF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccjjbSPDHoo0AoUT5WyKOelu2MOfAABPOpQ X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7234F.C5231DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have a Maurer in your arsenal!!!! Wow, can I be your best friend?? Thanks :>) Bill _____ From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Vintage instruments? It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, but the theory is sound I think. I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a technician. it makes all the difference to me. Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet who isn't. 58 years and counting. Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed devils and angels out of. So...???? Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always thought one really well played howling note could out perform a blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and value. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like. damian, don't knock what you don't understand. duncan. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7234F.C5231DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You have a Maurer in your = arsenal!!!! Wow, can I be your best friend??

 Thanks :>) = Bill

 

From: = Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December = 19, 2006 8:44 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Vintage = Gear, E-bait etc

 

Vintage = instruments?

It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made of = wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for ten or more = years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple physics. The more sound = put through and the older, the better they can sound. In the old days we used to put = our guitars, especially acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank = it and leave them to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been = crazy, but the theory is sound I think.

I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, = actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the = same age that sounds incredible. But my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by = the Larson Brothers, sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other = guitars. And it is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. Now you might = think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much because it spoils me... = and because I can't take it on the road.

Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time = to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than anyone = on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. = I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars - wooden = instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the player. I know this = may sound a little fern bar and double latte to some, but I know it for a fact, or = have experienced this with my guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's = almost like you can download a bit of the players energy when you play their = guitars. Or when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my = guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. David = Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. This is all very = subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close attention. And, because I = am mainly a tone junky more than a technician. it makes all the difference = to me.

Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet who = isn't. 58 years and counting.

Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new = Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to have an old = guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write that song or do that = solo that will change the world for the better... or be a worthy human. = There's a different kind of aging that does that. But there will always be = incredible players who use dog guitars and make magical music. One of the best = guitarists I've ever worked closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The = Flamingos) had about five brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and = squeezed devils and angels out of. So...????

Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very fine = instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I personally think so = because I think tone is everything. I've always thought one really well played = howling note could out perform a blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about = soul. And if you've got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. = I've seen it happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). = If you don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius.

There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and = business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have soul - just = some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros and ones, some for = scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, storytelling etc. And they all = deserve equal respect.

Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and = minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and = technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's FAR more = important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my angels job easier by = having a nice axe to land on.

And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. =

I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and = value.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan = wrote:

I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever = heard.<<


it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never = had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed = of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to = wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like.

damian, don't knock what you don't understand.

duncan.

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7234F.C5231DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503933BEF6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <10255716.1166547794401.JavaMail.root@web38> References: <10255716.1166547794401.JavaMail.root@web38> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--736693319 Message-Id: <2bc22d4fd42e9c3a94d5ae6499ff745a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:24:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--736693319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ah! Quoting the Guru! :) richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 9:03 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > (Many musicians of India.......... won't let anybody TOUCH THEIR > INSTRUMENT. -- > > Kind of like Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap. ("Don't touch it. Don't > touch it." to Rob Reiner) > > Paul > > ---- Richard Sales wrote: >> Vintage instruments? >> >> It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made >> of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for >> ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple >> physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they >> can >> sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially >> acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them >> to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, >> but the theory is sound I think. >> >> I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, >> actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here >> (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. >> But >> my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, >> sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it >> is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. >> Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much >> because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. >> >> Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of >> time >> to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than >> anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR >> INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars >> - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of >> the >> player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to >> some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my >> guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can >> download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or >> when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my >> guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars >> etc. >> David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. >> This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close >> attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a >> technician. it makes all the difference to me. >> >> Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your >> time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet >> who isn't. 58 years and counting. >> >> Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new >> Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to >> have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write >> that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... >> or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does >> that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars >> and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked >> closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about >> five >> brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed >> devils and angels out of. So...???? >> >> Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very >> fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I >> personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always >> thought one really well played howling note could out perform a >> blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've >> got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen >> it >> happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If >> you >> don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. >> >> There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and >> business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have >> soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros >> and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, >> storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. >> >> Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and >> minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and >> technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. >> It's >> FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make >> my >> angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. >> >> And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to >> write. >> >> I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and >> value. >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: >> >>>>> I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< >>> >>> it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's >>> never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object >>> possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous >>> owners. >>> this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly >>> fenders & the like. >>> >>> damian, don't knock what you don't understand. >>> >>> duncan. >>> > --Apple-Mail-3--736693319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Ah! Quoting the Guru! :) Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 9:03 AM, Paul Richards wrote: (Many musicians of India.......... won't let anybody TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. -- Kind of like Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap. ("Don't touch it. Don't touch it." to Rob Reiner) Paul ---- Richard Sales < wrote: Vintage instruments? It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, but the theory is sound I think. I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a technician. it makes all the difference to me. Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet who isn't. 58 years and counting. Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed devils and angels out of. So...???? Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always thought one really well played howling note could out perform a blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and value. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<<<< it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly fenders & the like. damian, don't knock what you don't understand. duncan. --Apple-Mail-3--736693319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85C7B3BF0A; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c72394$e3feff60$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <10255716.1166547794401.JavaMail.root@web38> Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:41:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) wasn't the line: don't touch it - don't even LOOKat it!!! ? tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Cc: "Richard Sales" Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc > (Many musicians of India.......... won't let anybody TOUCH THEIR INSTRUMENT. -- > > Kind of like Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap. ("Don't touch it. Don't touch it." to Rob Reiner) > > Paul > > ---- Richard Sales wrote: > > Vintage instruments? > > > > It IS something you have to experience to know. Most guitars are made > > of wood. Wood ages. And wood that's had sound put through them for > > ten or more years sounds DIFFERENT than wood that's new. Simple > > physics. The more sound put through and the older, the better they can > > sound. In the old days we used to put our guitars, especially > > acoustics, in front of our stereo speakers and crank it and leave them > > to cook for as long as we could stand it. We might have been crazy, > > but the theory is sound I think. > > > > I know - I've played a lot of nice guitars. My new Collings acoustic, > > actually 12 years old, sounds wonderful. I have a Santa Cruz here > > (Bill Bloomer's) that's about the same age that sounds incredible. But > > my grandfather's Maurer, made around 1924 by the Larson Brothers, > > sounds so good it just howls and humiliates my other guitars. And it > > is loaded with personality... or, what's called in Sanskrit, 'bhava'. > > Now you might think this is strange, but I don't play it all that much > > because it spoils me... and because I can't take it on the road. > > > > Now, many musicians of India, who I think have had an awful lot of time > > to think about their instruments and who practice probably more than > > anyone on earth, quite often won't let anyone else even TOUCH THEIR > > INSTRUMENT. I've wondered why this is and have concluded that guitars > > - wooden instruments especially - become charged with the spirit of the > > player. I know this may sound a little fern bar and double latte to > > some, but I know it for a fact, or have experienced this with my > > guitars and playing the guitars of others. It's almost like you can > > download a bit of the players energy when you play their guitars. Or > > when they play your guitars they get charged. John Fahey played my > > guitars frequently and vice versa. Danny Gatton played my guitars etc. > > David Sylvian played my guitars and vice versa.. and many others. > > This is all very subtle stuff but very tangible if you pay real close > > attention. And, because I am mainly a tone junky more than a > > technician. it makes all the difference to me. > > > > Wait! Save your typing fingertips! Yes I AM crazy! Don't waste your > > time belaboring the obvious. The catch is, I haven't met a soul yet > > who isn't. 58 years and counting. > > > > Now all of this doesn't mean you can't go into a store and buy a new > > Tele that doesn't sound magnificent. And it doesn't mean you HAVE to > > have an old guitar to make great music, or become famous, or to write > > that song or do that solo that will change the world for the better... > > or be a worthy human. There's a different kind of aging that does > > that. But there will always be incredible players who use dog guitars > > and make magical music. One of the best guitarists I've ever worked > > closely with (Kenny Davis - The Platters, The Flamingos) had about five > > brand new Japanese strats that he torqued and tortured and squeezed > > devils and angels out of. So...???? > > > > Who cares? I care because, FOR ME, I love it and am spoiled by very > > fine instruments. Does this make me a better player? Hard to say. I > > personally think so because I think tone is everything. I've always > > thought one really well played howling note could out perform a > > blizzard of thirty second notes. It's all about soul. And if you've > > got soul, you can make it happen with a two string ektar. I've seen it > > happen. I perform with a guy who does just that (Bhagavan Das). If you > > don't have soul, you couldn't do it with a Stradivarius. > > > > There's nothing wrong with that! The world needs good accountants and > > business people. And I don't say that sarcastically. All people have > > soul - just some have it for music, some for numbers, some for zeros > > and ones, some for scalpels and bone saws, some for literature, > > storytelling etc. And they all deserve equal respect. > > > > Therefore, I think it's most important to focus on our own hearts and > > minds and wood shedding and conquering our own demons & shadows (and > > technologies) and training our own angels to come when we whistle. It's > > FAR more important than vintage or not vintage. I just like to make my > > angels job easier by having a nice axe to land on. > > > > And, Luca, thanks for the kind words. I'm always so reluctant to write. > > > > I bow to all of you and your ever expanding talent, intelligence and > > value. > > > > richard sales > > glassWing farm and studio > > vancouver island, b.c. > > 800.545.6846 > > 250.752.4816 > > www.glassWing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > On 19-Dec-06, at 6:55 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > > > >>> I'm sorry, this is the largest pile of arse I have ever heard.<< > > > > > > it's quite obvious to me from damian's measured response that he's > > > never had the good fortune to encounter an "inanimate" object > > > possessed of the spirit either of it's makers or it's previous owners. > > > this leads me to wonder if NZ is a desert when it comes to elderly > > > fenders & the like. > > > > > > damian, don't knock what you don't understand. > > > > > > duncan. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:54:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6973BF12; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=uOLYp7s0d5daOtDnNouEdVB/PtwxC4BtwxO2tACobn6HtHWR9JH+tVRkoUq4ZQ/MCpE21lL+TRmewskXPhm65zLdsbmPAdNw2x46rXa8iccuMEzAROISORAZd20JPu522BfSawk7okG2EY4MBqkTDIg6R7vtoX8ZB+YYrpJnMas= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0612190954h1bd0bab9j8140f9d3a7c08b9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:54:09 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9670_5830875.1166550849203" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:54:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9670_5830875.1166550849203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been really interested in the 2880 recently and am thinking about picking it up. Right now I'm using the akai headrush to loop my sounds. Most of my songs are around the 5 minute range, and I create my loops using the headrush, but basically when I want to create a new loop with a different beat or melody, I have fade out the existing loop into silence and then start recording a new loop. I'd like the ability to transition into a new melody without any silence. So on the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then when I'm bored of that melody, create a new loop on loop 2 and then fade track 1 down to make the full transition to loop 2 and so forth. For those of you that are using the 2880, what are your biggest complaints? Thanks in advance, Dan -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_9670_5830875.1166550849203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been really interested in the 2880 recently and am thinking about picking it up.

Right now I'm using the akai headrush to loop my sounds.
Most of my songs are around the 5 minute range, and I create my loops using the headrush,
but basically when I want to create a new loop with a different beat or melody, I have fade out the existing loop into silence
and then start recording a new loop.

I'd like the ability to transition into a new melody without any silence.
So on the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then when I'm bored of that melody, create a new loop on loop 2
and then fade track 1 down to make the full transition to loop 2 and so forth.

For those of you that are using the 2880,
what are your biggest complaints?

Thanks in advance,
Dan

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_9670_5830875.1166550849203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:59:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19C543BEF7; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=azBVdrr5N11SxHjiwIU0xs9ysK3Nx4ubYEGfxcjQa16vVegi/YC2u1+YVcVE8gLdCV5e4687F2AP5s10ewNRhYsPiB3GXaIxHrHC4D7xPP//4ToUIjc72tgrdyfMnBAkVE2GP4IwzELzC4hCkXkp4F0wk92cq4PCnEYxOv4Gvy0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60612190959k4746adcdy1e473127ef9d6035@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:59:19 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8842_25441069.1166551159794" References: <018601c71f94$3ff59b30$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:59:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8842_25441069.1166551159794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm a new member to this list, got involved during the Y2K6 Loopfest which was a gas. After watching several of you relay to what hopefuly Santa will bring, I wanted to put in my "wishes" plus I just was successful in getting one of them. I've been interested in exploring fretless and was planing a conversion of one of my "problem children" guitars. I recently noticed this guy on eBay and was successful winning it for myself for Christmas so I'm quite excited over this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260064732615 Hopefully it will prove reasonably stable neckwise. Other things... "more shows in LA during my upcoming trip to NAMM next month" Mac Mini or OSX for a late 90's iMAC that I got a few months back at a yard sale a stray cat my family named Ivy, that we tried to adopt this morning and it didn't work, actually I pray now that she finds safety and survives the winter here in NY I could ramble on about another personal wish for Xmas but this is supposed to be music related things that enhance our creativity so either an *Akai Headrush or Jamman or new Boss pedal*. I have a simple Digitech X ped right now and most looping occurs in real playing... That's probably enough of my input. I do wish everyone on the list a great holiday whether Christmas or Hanuka or Kwanzaa or some personal celebration. Best Jim Goodin http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/JimGoodinMusic http://www.myspace.com/Chinapaintingmusic http://www.myspace.com/Languageof3 http://www.myspace.com/EastOfWhere http://www.myspace.com/JimGoodinSoundscapes On 12/15/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved > Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new > software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on > ebay) > > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > Izotope's effects bundle > (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) > > CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) > > Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) > > PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) > > Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_8842_25441069.1166551159794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'm a new member to this list, got involved during the Y2K6 Loopfest which was a gas.  After watching several of you relay to what hopefuly Santa will bring, I wanted to put in my "wishes" plus I just was successful in getting one of them.  I've been interested in exploring fretless and was planing a conversion  of one of my "problem children" guitars.  I recently noticed this guy on eBay and was successful winning it for myself for Christmas so I'm quite excited over this one.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260064732615  Hopefully it will prove reasonably stable neckwise.
 
Other things... "more shows in LA during my upcoming trip to NAMM next month"
 
Mac Mini or OSX for a late 90's iMAC that I got a few months back at a yard sale
 
a stray cat my family named Ivy, that we tried to adopt this morning and it didn't work, actually I pray now that she finds safety and survives the winter here in NY
 
I could ramble on about another personal wish for Xmas but this is supposed to be music related things that enhance our creativity so either an Akai Headrush or Jamman or new Boss pedal.  I have a simple Digitech X ped right now and most looping occurs in real playing...
 
That's probably enough of my input.  I do wish everyone on the list a great holiday whether Christmas or Hanuka or Kwanzaa or some personal celebration.
 
Best
 
Jim Goodin
 


 
On 12/15/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas
is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try
being nicer, but we know what it's really about.
Presents!

So what's on ya'll Christmas lists?  I love hearing
shit like that.  Here's mine...  It's really more of a
"wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved
Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new
software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on
ebay)

Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth

Izotope's effects bundle
(Distortion/mastering/spectral effects)

CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer)

Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!)

PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor)

Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er)



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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_8842_25441069.1166551159794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:05:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790FB3BF12; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <2ACBCF1F-A4A0-4FD5-A6F2-FB64863F034F@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-48--734250479 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Mojo? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:05:10 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-48--734250479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Every instrument I have has mojo. Does it matter if anyone else believes that, recognises it, thinks I'm nuts? Of course not. None of them are vintage, all are very very special. All feel imbued with a sense of care, craftsmanship, passion and a desire to be used creatively. The longer I play them, the greater the feeling that something of me lives in them is there. A couple of times in my life I've watched someone else do a gig on my bass - first time it looked ridiculous (some rock-dude in a CCM band from the US at a gig in France where the airline had lost his bass) the last time it was amazing (Trip Wamsley using my bass when he came to England for some shows a year or so ago) - I'm sure Trip left some of his mojo behind... :o) As for the vintage things - I've never ever heard a new bass that sounded like an early 60s fender. Not better or worse, just different. If I want that sound, it's got to be vintage. I haven't got one cos that's a lot of greens to wrap up in an instrument, but one my very short list of instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P- bass is right up there... The value is driven by two things - scarcity and demand... it's simple. Sales people will of course drive the 'collectability' and that means that players have to spend well over the odds to get that sound, but compare it to a great violin. We're still talking pocket change... big love, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-48--734250479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Every instrument I have has = mojo. Does it matter if anyone else believes that, recognises it, thinks = I'm nuts? Of course not. None of them are vintage, all are very very = special. All feel imbued with a sense of care, craftsmanship, passion = and a desire to be used creatively. The longer I play them, the greater = the feeling that something of me lives in them is there. A couple of = times in my life I've watched someone else do a gig on my bass - first = time it looked ridiculous (some rock-dude in a CCM band from the US at a = gig in France where the airline had lost his bass) the last time it was = amazing (Trip Wamsley using my bass when he came to England for some = shows a year or so ago) - I'm sure Trip left some of his mojo behind... = :o)=A0

As for the = vintage things - I've never ever heard a new bass that sounded like an = early 60s fender. Not better or worse, just different. If I want that = sound, it's got to be vintage. I haven't got one cos that's a lot of = greens to wrap up in an instrument, but one my very short list of = instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P-bass is right up there... The = value is driven by two things - scarcity and demand... it's simple. = Sales people will of course drive the 'collectability' and that means = that players have to spend well over the odds to get that sound, but = compare it to a great violin. We're still talking pocket = change...=A0

big = love,=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-48--734250479-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:23:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC533BEF8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UYL2zkIqV+jsuJfGtITo03+44Q4aXqqexVeVwsqo8e1Q+0f1oKDFZL3ESDOYqUiQGX4ME8aEecRMV5+vVV16lBmZDt55xOv/0uDOSkB8lunYEgaEG2cYJm/S31wZNPRr4n6iurj0CZIY7eJUXrbXG7N64Ua/ZlSTHFkX6BqvGe4=; X-YMail-OSG: 7JAxjR4VM1lfJMeCpN_ii7UXiLuzBIwFiiGgIZsYclsfTyKTM7Z8F2f428VkpDlxyIIr0ruPDONUzIZUskgY6gUg6Qr7kr4K5w5eTcHf7ZIXoV_BiBf7AzaY8PCtv2bcbeWFVb50GpyOoGs- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60612190959k4746adcdy1e473127ef9d6035@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <920184.6087.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Let us know how the guitar is. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4633BF04; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XLcsV3SZGuztZ0Pp+ZrBpfRTvRGRWCxTRyieemg7RTttftJ3/BMmpOqw4xQG3uagfjtHlx4nG9jTEUQbI9+KJThs/EQgs8ls3RR9WcqMcbveND90A5T7Q2i3v+U7Co1+hx/7lN64wj0pXIXFR99Ap01VqrYRaJjZPQnpO14makk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:25:53 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0612190954h1bd0bab9j8140f9d3a7c08b9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12921_31388093.1166552753294" References: <55e79c0d0612190954h1bd0bab9j8140f9d3a7c08b9a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:25:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12921_31388093.1166552753294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was looking into it until I started reading things like this: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper Sun, September 24, 2006 - 11:54 AM So I've had this unit a few weeks now... I haven't yet got around to trying it out in a live performance situation so I can't speak to its practical abilities and limitations in that respect, but I've sort of got a handle on what it will and won't do and how to operate it (except for the MIDI part, I don't use MIDI being too much of a Luddite and general technophobe myself) I actually like this piece of gear, although when I begin to list its limations I'm not sure why I like it... well, I haven't owned or used any kind of live looper since I had a Repeater, so it's good to have one again, but I keep comparing it to the Repeater and finding it deficient on many counts: * Working with tempo: Unlike the Repeater, the 2880 doesn't have any kind of beat detection, NOR does it even have a tap tempo button, which means that if you are trying to make a loop from a prerecorded CD (drumbeat, four-bar chord progression, whatever) it is extremely difficult to hit the button at the exact beginning and end of the bar so you have an even loop that doesn't end early or late i.e. off the beat - The 2880 DOES have a 'quantize button' that can automatically end the loop at the exact end of the bar, but ONLY if the bar is in 4/4 and if the beat of the source material is synched to the 2880's imprecisely adjustable on-board tempo... Moreover, the tempo setup is inflexible in that the slider goes from 30 to 240 BPM in steps (basically the tempo slider doubles as a pitch slider which varies the pitch in semitone intervals from 2 octaves down to 2 octaves up while simultaneously altering the speed of the loop, just as you would by altering the rpm of a tape loop)... which brings me to Rick's point: unlike the Repeater, you have no INDEPENDENT control of pitch and speed of the loop... bummer - And if you record a loop at one pitch and tempo and then want to record another track at a different pitch and tempo setting, then the playback of the original loop shifts to the new tempo/pitch setting as you record the new loop: so if you wanted to create a bass line by doubling the pitch setting during record, you'd have to listen to the original loop at double pitch and tempo while recording, and then switch back to the original setting (which would return your original loop to the normal setting, and make your second loop one octave lower and half-speed)... * Unlike the Repeater, this doesn't have an external effects send/return circuit, so forget about putting effects on one loop and not on another... I run the 2880 from the effects send on my mixer and back into a channel strip so I can send the loops thru another effects processor, but it has to be applied to all the loops coming from the 2880... * The built-in metronome is cool for recording loops but useless for live looping unless you want to have the metronome clicking as live accompaniment to your performance (it doesn't record the click track, of course, but it outputs it thru the main outs, instead of just thru a headphone jack for example)... * If you're planning on saving loops you'll need to buy plenty of compact flash cards to store each set of loops on, since you can only put one loop on each card (one loop meaning four tracks and a two-channel stereo mixdown track) - You can back up loops from the cards to your computer and reload them later onto separate cards to bring to your gig, like if you've got thirty loops you want to keep just back 'em up and only keep five or ten cards on hand... So, no use getting one of these huge 2GB CF cards that with lots of storage unless you're planning on recording 60-minute loops (in other words, using this unit as a four-track recorder with removable drives, as opposed to using it as a looper): a 128MB card holds a four-minute loop (that is, four tracks with unlimited overdubs on each track + a stereo mixdown track) which is as long a loop as I'm likely to need... On the more positive side of things, I like the footswitch, which offers more control options than the three-button foot pedal option for the Repeater - The 2880 pedal has six buttons (new loop, play, record, octave down, reverse, and track select)... And it does true stereo looping like the beloved Repeater... It has a punch-in button so you can fix one little part of a loop without rerecording the whole track or overdub... Also I like that when recording a new track after recording your original loop, you can begin the recording at any point in the playback (not just at the beginning) of the first loop, which enables you to easily add some cool counterpoint and syncopation... A big plus is that I think this model sounds better than the Repeater, which makes it better for in-studio applications: the noise floor is lower, there is none of that chirping with compact flash card loops, and no electromagnetic interference like with the Repeater which used to cause an annoying whine in my powered monitors whenever it was powered on... However, I did notice some faint clicking that would start to build up on prerecorded loops during playback (this was only obvious on loops with silent segments and when listening on headphones)... I like the mixdown function which enables you to record loops on all four tracks, then do a live mixdown onto a separate stereo channel, manipulating the faders and pan knobs during mixdown... And I like how the track faders double as feedback control when overdubbing onto a single track (adjusting the amount the volume of each overdub diminishes with every repeat)... In sum, I paid about $550 for the 2880 and foot pedal (foot control sold separately) including shipping, and that's rock bottom pricing from www.instrumentpro.com... if you could find a used Electrix Repeater for not much more than that (wish I hadn't sold mine, stupid me) I'd say get a Repeater, unless you're using it for mainly studio applications and can't deal with the Repeater's noise issues... I might have more to say when I've more thoroughly explored using this model in live settings (lately I'm having more fun with my new Lexicon MX200 processor, which outperforms my previous Lexicon MPX550 at half the price), but that's it for now... Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper Thu, September 28, 2006 - 9:03 PM in response to: Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper Well, I *thought* maybe I had found a workaround for the noisy footswitch issue... After some trial and error, it seems like the recorder only picks up the click on the original track of the loop (the so-called 'new loop', before you've made any overdubs)... so I thought I could use the punch-in feature to record over the original loop with the click, and I tried it, and it recorded a new take and the click went away! But get this: When I record on 'punch-in' setting (punch-in is a feature not included on the footswitch, stupidly enough, you have to press the button on the main unit with your finger... whereas they put octave and reverse switches on the foot controller, not as essential as having a foot switch to punch in record, IMHO)... continuing, when I record on 'punch-in' it records a NEW ARTEFACT, and this time it's a pulsating BUZZ in time with the built-in metronome - This buzzing is clearly audible on quiet loops or loops with a segment of silence in them, annoyingly so on headphones especially - And the buzzing occurs even if you have the volume on the metronome turned all the way down to zero (and there is no way of shutting off the metronome which flashes in time with the tempo whenever you are recording or playing a loop)... CLICKETY CLICK... BUZZ-ZZZ-ZZZ... I could see someone using the 2880 in a live performance setting if you're playing loud music and using electric instruments, but forget using it as an acoustic player in a studio setting (which is probably 75% of where I am going to be doing my looping, honestly, since I am not very good at getting gigs and consequently most of my music is amateur home recording)... My final question is this: Is there any recommendation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functioning foot controller, and no significant noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic instruments? A looper with a quiet foot pedal and no troublesome glitches or bugs to contend with? I guess I will have to forsake the desired feature of multiple loop tracks with individually tweakable pan and fader controls, since the 2880 has failed me and I don't want to buy a used Repeater and deal with it's own legendary quirks and bugs... do I have to spend $1000 on an EDP or $1500 on a Looperlative? (in which case, I'm too poor, forget it)... Somebody already praised the Boomerang, maybe I will check that one out (I was actually almost gonna buy the Rang, till I read about the 2880 and saw all the added features I could get on the 2880 compared to the Rang for the same price)... Which loopers have the most virtually silent foot pedal controllers, maybe if I start with that question, it will give me something to go on when I begin shopping for a replacement for the 2880 (at this point, even if the Mouser switches I have ordered can fix the footswitch noise, I'm still left with the buzzing issue which has nothing to do with the foot controller)... If I was smart to begin with, I would've found time to test this 2880 out THOROUGHLY before the 30-day return option expired... MY DUMB... ------=_Part_12921_31388093.1166552753294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was looking into it until I started reading things like this:

Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper

Sun, September 24, 2006 - 11:54 AM
So I've had this unit a few weeks now... I haven't yet got around to trying it out in a live performance situation so I can't speak to its practical abilities and limitations in that respect, but I've sort of got a handle on what it will and won't do and how to operate it (except for the MIDI part, I don't use MIDI being too much of a Luddite and general technophobe myself)

I actually like this piece of gear, although when I begin to list its limations I'm not sure why I like it... well, I haven't owned or used any kind of live looper since I had a Repeater, so it's good to have one again, but I keep comparing it to the Repeater and finding it deficient on many counts:

* Working with tempo: Unlike the Repeater, the 2880 doesn't have any kind of beat detection, NOR does it even have a tap tempo button, which means that if you are trying to make a loop from a prerecorded CD (drumbeat, four-bar chord progression, whatever) it is extremely difficult to hit the button at the exact beginning and end of the bar so you have an even loop that doesn't end early or late i.e. off the beat - The 2880 DOES have a 'quantize button' that can automatically end the loop at the exact end of the bar, but ONLY if the bar is in 4/4 and if the beat of the source material is synched to the 2880's imprecisely adjustable on-board tempo... Moreover, the tempo setup is inflexible in that the slider goes from 30 to 240 BPM in steps (basically the tempo slider doubles as a pitch slider which varies the pitch in semitone intervals from 2 octaves down to 2 octaves up while simultaneously altering the speed of the loop, just as you would by altering the rpm of a tape loop)... which brings me to Rick's point: unlike the Repeater, you have no INDEPENDENT control of pitch and speed of the loop... bummer - And if you record a loop at one pitch and tempo and then want to record another track at a different pitch and tempo setting, then the playback of the original loop shifts to the new tempo/pitch setting as you record the new loop: so if you wanted to create a bass line by doubling the pitch setting during record, you'd have to listen to the original loop at double pitch and tempo while recording, and then switch back to the original setting (which would return your original loop to the normal setting, and make your second loop one octave lower and half-speed)...

* Unlike the Repeater, this doesn't have an external effects send/return circuit, so forget about putting effects on one loop and not on another... I run the 2880 from the effects send on my mixer and back into a channel strip so I can send the loops thru another effects processor, but it has to be applied to all the loops coming from the 2880...

* The built-in metronome is cool for recording loops but useless for live looping unless you want to have the metronome clicking as live accompaniment to your performance (it doesn't record the click track, of course, but it outputs it thru the main outs, instead of just thru a headphone jack for example)...

* If you're planning on saving loops you'll need to buy plenty of compact flash cards to store each set of loops on, since you can only put one loop on each card (one loop meaning four tracks and a two-channel stereo mixdown track) - You can back up loops from the cards to your computer and reload them later onto separate cards to bring to your gig, like if you've got thirty loops you want to keep just back 'em up and only keep five or ten cards on hand... So, no use getting one of these huge 2GB CF cards that with lots of storage unless you're planning on recording 60-minute loops (in other words, using this unit as a four-track recorder with removable drives, as opposed to using it as a looper): a 128MB card holds a four-minute loop (that is, four tracks with unlimited overdubs on each track + a stereo mixdown track) which is as long a loop as I'm likely to need...

On the more positive side of things, I like the footswitch, which offers more control options than the three-button foot pedal option for the Repeater - The 2880 pedal has six buttons (new loop, play, record, octave down, reverse, and track select)... And it does true stereo looping like the beloved Repeater... It has a punch-in button so you can fix one little part of a loop without rerecording the whole track or overdub...

Also I like that when recording a new track after recording your original loop, you can begin the recording at any point in the playback (not just at the beginning) of the first loop, which enables you to easily add some cool counterpoint and syncopation...

A big plus is that I think this model sounds better than the Repeater, which makes it better for in-studio applications: the noise floor is lower, there is none of that chirping with compact flash card loops, and no electromagnetic interference like with the Repeater which used to cause an annoying whine in my powered monitors whenever it was powered on... However, I did notice some faint clicking that would start to build up on prerecorded loops during playback (this was only obvious on loops with silent segments and when listening on headphones)...

I like the mixdown function which enables you to record loops on all four tracks, then do a live mixdown onto a separate stereo channel, manipulating the faders and pan knobs during mixdown... And I like how the track faders double as feedback control when overdubbing onto a single track (adjusting the amount the volume of each overdub diminishes with every repeat)...

In sum, I paid about $550 for the 2880 and foot pedal (foot control sold separately) including shipping, and that's rock bottom pricing from www.instrumentpro.com... if you could find a used Electrix Repeater for not much more than that (wish I hadn't sold mine, stupid me) I'd say get a Repeater, unless you're using it for mainly studio applications and can't deal with the Repeater's noise issues...

I might have more to say when I've more thoroughly explored using this model in live settings (lately I'm having more fun with my new Lexicon MX200 processor, which outperforms my previous Lexicon MPX550 at half the price), but that's it for now...


Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper

Thu, September 28, 2006 - 9:03 PM
in response to: Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper
Well, I *thought* maybe I had found a workaround for the noisy footswitch issue... After some trial and error, it seems like the recorder only picks up the click on the original track of the loop (the so-called 'new loop', before you've made any overdubs)... so I thought I could use the punch-in feature to record over the original loop with the click, and I tried it, and it recorded a new take and the click went away! But get this:

When I record on 'punch-in' setting (punch-in is a feature not included on the footswitch, stupidly enough, you have to press the button on the main unit with your finger... whereas they put octave and reverse switches on the foot controller, not as essential as having a foot switch to punch in record, IMHO)... continuing, when I record on 'punch-in' it records a NEW ARTEFACT, and this time it's a pulsating BUZZ in time with the built-in metronome - This buzzing is clearly audible on quiet loops or loops with a segment of silence in them, annoyingly so on headphones especially - And the buzzing occurs even if you have the volume on the metronome turned all the way down to zero (and there is no way of shutting off the metronome which flashes in time with the tempo whenever you are recording or playing a loop)...

CLICKETY CLICK... BUZZ-ZZZ-ZZZ... I could see someone using the 2880 in a live performance setting if you're playing loud music and using electric instruments, but forget using it as an acoustic player in a studio setting (which is probably 75% of where I am going to be doing my looping, honestly, since I am not very good at getting gigs and consequently most of my music is amateur home recording)...

My final question is this: Is there any recommendation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functioning foot controller, and no significant noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic instruments? A looper with a quiet foot pedal and no troublesome glitches or bugs to contend with? I guess I will have to forsake the desired feature of multiple loop tracks with individually tweakable pan and fader controls, since the 2880 has failed me and I don't want to buy a used Repeater and deal with it's own legendary quirks and bugs... do I have to spend $1000 on an EDP or $1500 on a Looperlative? (in which case, I'm too poor, forget it)... Somebody already praised the Boomerang, maybe I will check that one out (I was actually almost gonna buy the Rang, till I read about the 2880 and saw all the added features I could get on the 2880 compared to the Rang for the same price)...

Which loopers have the most virtually silent foot pedal controllers, maybe if I start with that question, it will give me something to go on when I begin shopping for a replacement for the 2880 (at this point, even if the Mouser switches I have ordered can fix the footswitch noise, I'm still left with the buzzing issue which has nothing to do with the foot controller)... If I was smart to begin with, I would've found time to test this 2880 out THOROUGHLY before the 30-day return option expired... MY DUMB...




------=_Part_12921_31388093.1166552753294-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:27:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACA803BF14; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 571402116 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:27:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B898@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc thread-index: Accjm1LvdnpVSD8IQUOuuERDiCa6hg== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 18:27:22.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[53097420:01C7239B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Pj53YXNuJ3QgdGhlIGxpbmU6IGRvbid0IHRvdWNoIGl0IC0gZG9uJ3QgZXZlbiBMT09LIGF0IGl0 ISEhICAgPzw8DQoNCkkgYmVsaWV2ZSB0aGUgZ3VpdGFyIGluIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHdhcyBhIDE5NjIg ZmVuZGVyIFZJLCBwb3NzZXNzZWQtIG5vIGRvdWJ0LSBvZiBjb25zaWRlcmFibHkgbW9yZSBtb2pv IHRoYW4gbXkgMTk5NCByZWlzc3VlLi4uLi4gOi0pDQoNCmQuDQo= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:29:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C16B03BF1A; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 380455455 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7239B.95D614AD" Subject: RE: Mojo? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:29:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B899@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Mojo? thread-index: Accjm5XdRghkFgLBR6KC9XSbLUfQQQ== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "Loop List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 18:29:14.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[95EC1A90:01C7239B] Resent-Message-ID: <2O4c3D.A.Ut.-9CiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:29:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7239B.95D614AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> very short list of instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P-bass is = right up there... << =20 steve- save up & buy mine! :-) =20 duncan.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7239B.95D614AD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> very short list = of=20 instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P-bass is right up = there...  <<
 
steve- save up & buy mine! = :-)
 
duncan. 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7239B.95D614AD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:30:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FE03BF1E; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <54267149-2A08-4935-B657-10D268972828@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-49--732732925 From: Steve Lawson Subject: looper's christmas list... Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:30:28 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:30:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-49--732732925 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed the same shit I've got now, only smaller and lighter? more specifically, powered cabs, and a really nice MIDI CONTROLLABLE 8in 8out half rack soundcard... come on MOTU/RME/Whoever - get the MIDI thing happening with it needing to be hooked up to a computer! :o) If that happens, my rig is down to a three space rolling rack, a coupla basses and some powered speakers. Yay! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-49--732732925 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 the same shit I've got now, only = smaller and lighter?=A0

more specifically, powered = cabs, and a really nice MIDI CONTROLLABLE 8in 8out half rack = soundcard...=A0

come on MOTU/RME/Whoever - = get the MIDI thing happening with it needing to be hooked up to a = computer! :o)=A0

If that happens, my rig is = down to a three space rolling rack, a coupla basses and some powered = speakers. Yay!=A0

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-49--732732925-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 18:58:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86AF43BEE9; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=Fsa2wM1swRwqsvIk8jsW8TzQ/YqUICxtHA28CgZAi4d7yiw4WzPL56NFoYdW/8eGY1HqnWh5Pa2vfyH/XA+7O4NoEFEDcflC3mS9e/lB1RLzjE9Ng8tmCEa2nejnxINwxl0TdsK5dU9oAF/m5Xqh5gdj47VWs5iPJHFvBj4M/oU= ; X-YMail-OSG: CNrNAw0VM1lBE0kvvwd.QtsgW4v7O29SclI5rBIGwyRzEe4I3Vx.01x6Q9IeOOX67ej5J7EnV6PtoWcVPD5Ku9dxP7anpdC62I4Q1RBzmeFDvY9zcdoLKW7HNXtlwDLkoCImL69HPqHT.j0- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:57:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C72375.9DCD6D20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AccjjOSKacjVLRkuR3OAM1coy/cNjQAECNEQ Message-Id: <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:58:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C72375.9DCD6D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of my guitars have previous owners of some significance (at least in my little musical world), but they are also fantastic instruments. Part of me thinks "well they'd have to be fantastic instruments to begin with for ________ to have used it". Part of me thinks that having a certain person make the wood vibrate imparts something indefinable. Though that might be the part of me that is heavily medicated. But then nothing compares to my '68 Rick 360-12. A gift from my wife when we got engaged, made in my birth year and the tone always makes me do something involuntary. If my house were to catch fire I'm glad I'd have to run past my kids rooms to get to it. "Hey guys, out the window! I'll be right there!" m ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C72375.9DCD6D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A couple of my guitars have previous owners of = some=20 significance (at least in my little musical world), but they are also = fantastic=20 instruments.  Part of me thinks "well they'd have to be fantastic=20 instruments to begin with for ________ to have used it".  Part of = me thinks=20 that having a certain person make the wood vibrate imparts something=20 indefinable.  Though that might be the part of me that is heavily=20 medicated.
 
But then nothing compares to my '68 = Rick=20 360-12.  A gift from my wife when we got engaged, made in my birth = year and=20 the tone always makes me do something involuntary.  If my house = were to=20 catch fire I'm glad I'd have to run past my kids rooms to get to = it.  "Hey=20 guys, out the window!  I'll be right there!"
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C72375.9DCD6D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 19:20:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 517183BEE6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=E0PUbfGKKH9f1vNV2KG15tUWMfHqUvDtx3yU9d2QGnmawGPMoJZ9Tr8e3jWrSS7sxgTGF4RkEFuRr+1I5VWEDyh4zKeUDj1aYTsBAibmUH29dmqgvdzu4A7zcB/7mTyBVYMq2NOo7x3ZIe4XsbDR9JeUDPGO71JpQ53tBAvd86M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B898@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B898@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:20:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3MXoPD.A.GrC.XuDiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Some interesting discussion in this thread! I didn't read them first, deleting them en masse by the subject line, but then I happened to see Richard Sales post and I started to crawl backwards along the time line, into the the archives... I've have a japanese acoustic guitar for twenty years and it's gaining better sound and personality by each year. But I don't think it's all age, I once picked it in the store because I thought it was the one that "sounded best" (which is very subjective) and by then no one even knew what these K Yairi brand was, I simply bought it because it was talking to me. But I'm starting to think that this mysterious "mojo of the instrument" maybe doesn't live that much in the instrument as in the preferences within the user? I have been fooling around with many different instruments, playing not only guitars, and over the years I have grown to learn that there are certain frequency response dynamics that simply work very well with me. Some instruments I just can't play because they don't response much over those frequencies, no matter how good they are known to be (in the eyes and ears of others). My tenor sax was made in 1914 but I think the sound I like with it is also due to the certain moth piece, an Otto Link nine star. I once sold that mouth piece with an earlier - and utterly lousy - sax in the eighties. I bought new stuff but never got the same sound, some frequencies "were missing" in everything new I tried, although I was talking to all the pro's and checking out their brands. Then one day, after two years, I found my own old mouth piece in a second hand shop. Bought it of course! It just sounds better than anything. Not long a go, back in july, a Swedish wind and reed shop was visited by a guy from LA that manufactures his own brand of mouth pieces and when I went to his free class I brought my own old Otto Link, just to have some reference. This guy is a very good sax player and sounded fantastic when demonstrating his own products in the store - but the funny thing was that when he asked to try my mouth piece he really sounded a lot better!!! I just couldn't believe my ears (or my emotions, because that mojo was working in there...) because he sounded like me, just a lot more technically skilled and still a little different. A strange experience, really. And this autumn while I'm mostly playing an electronic breath controller I am experiencing that the same "musical mojo" - or whatever you call it - is also present in pure electronics! THE ONES AND ZEROES CAN GET ANIMATED! How about that! Yesterday I was reminded on this when working out a multi sampled and multi layered sampler patch based on recordings I did with the 1914's sax and that huge opening Otto Link. Playing that so familiar sound from an electronic controller that is so much more sensitive and expressive (in some ways) than the original acoustic instrument, is both strange and inspiring. But no doubt it's the same angel tossing around behind my back, no matter if I'm blowing into the old metal thing or the wired up plastic sci-fi thing. The bottom line is that I have learned to adjust digital parameters to deliver the same mojo quality that seems to come built-in with the '62 Telecaster I use to borrow (from my bro) to play on rec sessions. So, I'm thinking the mojo is in the eye of the beholder. IF there was a method to measure all those delicate factors that are at work when the angels pop by, you would be able to scientifically detect "an instrument's soul"... but there isn't such a method and will probably never be. Since humans are part of the happening system it becomes too complex for measuring ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 19:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B37A53BEF6; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pvV+lgprdd8n/OjILH1S/mrUnhuipD78YgObdeNuIS+0it0mAsr84WrQhZrrfSsI; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27281031.1166556530690.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:28:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Tom Heasley Reply-To: Tom Heasley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Your JamMan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd483443da494d86b92fd71a7885c4fca8853396037c9e1b016b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Re: Sound quality of various loopers
Hi Charles,
How much for your JamMan?
(I live in Los Angeles, btw)
310.876.2994 or 323.481.1366
Best,
Tom



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www.tomheasley.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 19:56:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1D03BEEA; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007501c723a7$c1fe5650$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2ACBCF1F-A4A0-4FD5-A6F2-FB64863F034F@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Mojo? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:56:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Interesting and fun explanations of mojo below.....of course, being a total crude empiricist and anti-metaphysician (hail David Hume!), I lean toward the more literal (i.e., empirical) denotations of the term. I like the one about male virility below.....interestingly, I don't see a definition that is easily applied to a guitar, unless a guitar can have sexual prowess or charisma. :) I once had a women tell me that the wood of my guitar was alive and spoke to her, to such an extent that she "knew" it was from a particular log of wood in some region of the country. Of course, there was the slight problem that the guitar was not carved, but made of plywood. So much for the accuracy of the voices in her head. K- ********************** Mojo >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Mojo is a term commonly encountered in the African-American folk belief called hoodoo. A mojo is a small bag, a type of magic charm, often of red flannel cloth and tied with a drawstring, containing botanical, zoological, and/or mineral curios, petition papers, and the like. It is typically worn under clothing. Terminology and manner of use The word Mojo traces its origins to Africa and entered the English language during the era of slavery in the USA. It has been widely known from the 19th century and early 20th century to the present. Other regional names for mojo bags, or for specific types of mojos, include gree-gree (a Bantu word typically spelled gris-gris by people in Louisiana because of the state's francophone origins), mojo hand, conjure bag, conjure hand, toby, jomo, and nation sack. In Haiti, the usual name for this sort of charm bag among those of African descent is a wanga, oanga, or wanger. Mojo hands are carried for their supernatural powers, such as protecting from evil or crossed conditions, drawing love, or bringing good luck or success in gambling and other money matters. A mojo bag can also be prepared for use in more nefarious spell-craft, such as to render a man impotent by tying his nature. The mojo bag usually contains a mix of herbs, powders, personal concerns such as a hair or fingernail clippings, sometimes a coin or dice, a lodestone, a petition paper or prayer, and other objects thought to promote supernatural action or protection. The tying of the bag is an important part of its making, as this keeps within it the spirit whose aid is being sought. Once thus fixed and prepared, the mojo is fed to keep it working, generally with a liquid, such as a perfume, an anointing oil, or, in some cases, a drop of urine. References to mojos, nation sacks, and tobies are common in 20th century rural and urban blues songs by musicians such as Blind Willie McTell, Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon Jefferson, the Memphis Jug Band, Muddy Waters, and Lightnin' Hopkins. Some of the earlier blues tunes were covered by white rock & roll bands in the 1960s and beatboxers in the 2006s. The tunes thus reached audiences unfamiliar with the folk beliefs referred to in the lyrics of the songs. The exposure of uninformed audiences to the word mojo led to misunderstanding and additional uses of the word, usually to refer to male virility, libido, or the penis. This misunderstanding was popularized by Jim Morrison of The Doors, who named himself "Mr. Mojo Risin" - an anagram of Jim Morrison - in the song "L.A. Woman". This usage of the word was turned to comedy in the 1999 film Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, in which the title character has his mojo stolen, and loses his confidence and sexual prowess. Some other slang meanings of mojo in common use include: charisma, karma, cocaine and thing (as in "Gimme that mojo!"). Despite these variant usages, the word mojo continues to be widely used to mean what it always has meant in the African-American community -- namely, a conjure hand. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 20:12:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34FC3BEE1; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2ACBCF1F-A4A0-4FD5-A6F2-FB64863F034F@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <2ACBCF1F-A4A0-4FD5-A6F2-FB64863F034F@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--726615231 Message-Id: <0e0a7a1e123f2822bbd96b4810280aa0@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mojo? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:12:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--726615231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good point Steve. A good luthier can install mojo from the get go. =20 Same with good players such as yourself! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 10:05 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Every instrument I have has mojo. Does it matter if anyone else=20 > believes that, recognises it, thinks I'm nuts? Of course not. None of=20= > them are vintage, all are very very special. All feel imbued with a=20 > sense of care, craftsmanship, passion and a desire to be used=20 > creatively. The longer I play them, the greater the feeling that=20 > something of me lives in them is there. A couple of times in my life=20= > I've watched someone else do a gig on my bass - first time it looked=20= > ridiculous (some rock-dude in a CCM band from the US at a gig in=20 > France where the airline had lost his bass) the last time it was=20 > amazing (Trip Wamsley using my bass when he came to England for some=20= > shows a year or so ago) - I'm sure Trip left some of his mojo=20 > behind... :o)=A0 > > As for the vintage things - I've never ever heard a new bass that=20 > sounded like an early 60s fender. Not better or worse, just different.=20= > If I want that sound, it's got to be vintage. I haven't got one cos=20 > that's a lot of greens to wrap up in an instrument, but one my very=20 > short list of instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P-bass is right=20= > up there... The value is driven by two things - scarcity and demand...=20= > it's simple. Sales people will of course drive the 'collectability'=20 > and that means that players have to spend well over the odds to get=20 > that sound, but compare it to a great violin. We're still talking=20 > pocket change...=A0 > > big love,=A0 > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--726615231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good point Steve. A good luthier can install mojo from the get go.=20 Same with good players such as yourself! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 10:05 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: Every instrument I have has mojo. Does it matter if anyone else believes that, recognises it, thinks I'm nuts? Of course not. None of them are vintage, all are very very special. All feel imbued with a sense of care, craftsmanship, passion and a desire to be used creatively. The longer I play them, the greater the feeling that something of me lives in them is there. A couple of times in my life I've watched someone else do a gig on my bass - first time it looked ridiculous (some rock-dude in a CCM band from the US at a gig in France where the airline had lost his bass) the last time it was amazing (Trip Wamsley using my bass when he came to England for some shows a year or so ago) - I'm sure Trip left some of his mojo behind... :o)=A0 As for the vintage things - I've never ever heard a new bass that sounded like an early 60s fender. Not better or worse, just different. If I want that sound, it's got to be vintage. I haven't got one cos that's a lot of greens to wrap up in an instrument, but one my very short list of instruments I still want to own, a 64-66 P-bass is right up there... The value is driven by two things - scarcity and demand... it's simple. Sales people will of course drive the 'collectability' and that means that players have to spend well over the odds to get that sound, but compare it to a great violin. We're still talking pocket change...=A0 big love,=A0 Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson = --Apple-Mail-1--726615231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 20:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FB83BEFB; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.186] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061219172702.BF36D3BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #907 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:21:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 20:21:51.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[516A76E0:01C723AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Yes- being played makes wooden instruments improve. Sometimes those legendary old martins from the attic had been sitting for 20 years ,not getting played,much as all the fine instruments siting in vaults and on the walls of Hard Rock cafes.This means that the market value of those pieces is diminishing the practical value.This sort of confusion between abstract and concrete is pretty common "developed"countries. It's not unusual for African musicians to not allow people to touvh their instruments. The Indians,and Indonesians,ans Some Africans also never step over an instrument,which I've adopted as a worthy practice,conducive to an attentive attitude. Very useful for playing music,sort of one step away from being careful not to step on the silence when playing. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 21:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65F343BEDC; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C493533-8FD1-443B-9437-B37BD55E60AB@rosewoodblues.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:32:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:33:03 +0000 (UTC) All I want for xmas is a looperlative..... I'll give my two front teeth for it :) ken; On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:10 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas > is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try > being nicer, but we know what it's really about. > Presents! > > So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing > shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a > "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved > Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new > software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on > ebay) > > Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth > > Izotope's effects bundle > (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) > > CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) > > Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) > > PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) > > Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 21:38:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F05193BEDB; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--721431907 Message-Id: <92c104e17f03b7f527646963a1ea8a23@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Stepping on silence Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:38:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:38:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--721431907 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 19-Dec-06, at 12:21 PM, samba - wrote: > Very useful for playing music,sort of one step away from being > careful not to step on the silence when playing. Ah! A poet! Beautiful. And as far as empirical etc, everyone works from some base of faith. It's the initial leap that counts. Logic itself is questionable. I don't question anyone else more than I question myself, but that's a lot of questions. Now, speaking of mojo, for those of you who want to learn more about amps, and i mean a WHOLE LOT more, check out the Magnatone Valco list. Some of these guys are deep in it - talking about the thickness of the paper on speaker cones, different speaks, vintage vs new etc and their sound. And funny that they have the same thread about vintage vs new going. Let's see if this works, it's another Yahoo group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Magnatone-Valco/ It's incredibly informative and helps clarify just what 'mojo' is in an amp. The difference between old Fenders and new. And they are very different - even the reissues. Amazing stuff by deep tech guitar amp repairmen etc. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office > Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > --Apple-Mail-1--721431907 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 19-Dec-06, at 12:21 PM, samba - wrote: Very useful for playing music,sort of one step away from being careful not to step on the silence when playing. Ah! A poet! Beautiful. And as far as empirical etc, everyone works from some base of faith. It's the initial leap that counts. Logic itself is questionable. I don't question anyone else more than I question myself, but that's a lot of questions. Now, speaking of mojo, for those of you who want to learn more about amps, and i mean a WHOLE LOT more, check out the Magnatone Valco list. Some of these guys are deep in it - talking about the thickness of the paper on speaker cones, different speaks, vintage vs new etc and their sound. And funny that they have the same thread about vintage vs new going. Let's see if this works, it's another Yahoo group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Magnatone-Valco/ It's incredibly informative and helps clarify just what 'mojo' is in an amp. The difference between old Fenders and new. And they are very different - even the reissues. Amazing stuff by deep tech guitar amp repairmen etc. Gadgetrichard sales 7371,7F7D,C5C3glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C1,9694,1C1A www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ --Apple-Mail-1--721431907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 21:56:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1750A3BEE0; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8477.65.160.58.240.1166565365.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:56:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: FS: Lexicon Jamman From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:56:08 +0000 (UTC) I have a Jamman FS. Full 32 second memory, PS, and two foot switches (at least one cable, maybe both). Excellent condition, works perfectly. Excellent looper with midi sync in and out in a 1U 19" rack. Asking $350 OBO and trades (partial or otherwise) for cool effects, possible too. Buyer pays shipping (I'm in Phila Pa) Let me know if you're interested. I can do paypal. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 22:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4679D3BEE8; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007501c723a7$c1fe5650$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2ACBCF1F-A4A0-4FD5-A6F2-FB64863F034F@steve-lawson.co.uk> <007501c723a7$c1fe5650$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--719845229 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mojo? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:05:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--719845229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's one of the COOLEST guitar effects boxes on earth. On Ebay and going to sell in a couple hours. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160064414043& rd=1&rd=1 It's the ROland Dimension D. Mike Gillies, who engineers a lot of Metallica stuff told me, "Hey, you plug it in and run your guitars through it and it instantly sounds great" So I didn't sell mine. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 11:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: --Apple-Mail-2--719845229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Here's one of the COOLEST guitar effects boxes on earth. On Ebay and going to sell in a couple hours. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160064414043&rd=1&rd=1 It's the ROland Dimension D. Mike Gillies, who engineers a lot of Metallica stuff told me, "Hey, you plug it in and run your guitars through it and it instantly sounds great" So I didn't sell mine. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Dec-06, at 11:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: --Apple-Mail-2--719845229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 23:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36BA3BEE0; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010401c723c7$39422a10$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: VST Media Player Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:41:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C7238C.8C4A6D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:41:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C7238C.8C4A6D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a VST based media player? = Something that will play mp3 or wav files inside my VST host. 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It's a bit off topic, but does anyone = know of a VST=20 based media player? Something that will play mp3 or wav files inside my = VST=20 host.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C7238C.8C4A6D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 01:02:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1643D3BEC7; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ivML8i/PJQiRREF7gGKKHT9uSPkh1Q2toTY4aLNWiAHDo+9hJTG3g6qMj3wY+dhBblG3DrGP2DzyWNx2PG3UFDlxcSv7xzLeCzsRaguarR9o1edhoU4zUY9Lln4DrL4CNLBpTCsoD4IlR9HG0Y0JRwEGuAuL66K/9VXRRjvDbOQ= In-Reply-To: <010401c723c7$39422a10$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <010401c723c7$39422a10$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: VST Media Player Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:02:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:02:56 +0000 (UTC) On 20 dec 2006, at 00.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a VST based media > player? Something that will play mp3 or wav files inside my VST host Any software based sampler plug-in will do that. There is a quite good freeware sampler for XP called Highlife. It can be downloaded from http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 01:08:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CED63BEDB; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:06:17 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear To: Richard Sales , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0KD+Ezj2alV2QGfbyAywwQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <92c104e17f03b7f527646963a1ea8a23@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0KD+Ezj2alV2QGfbyAywwQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I simply must thank you all for this thread. It's the sharing of these ideas, feelings and observations that makes the Looping community my fave-rave e-place. Since I review gear as part of my work, and since I own a good number of instruments (and play them all), I can say that mojo is absolutely what it's all about, with the understanding that a certain resonance exists between the player and the played. Per mentioned this. I think it can sometimes be understood in very practical terms: a guitarist might favor the key of G major. S/he picks up a guitar, strums some chords that revolve around G, and it just doesn't feel right. Next guitarist comes along, favoring the key of E, and the same guitar goes bonkers - strong E major resonance, weak G major resonance. In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. I also believe that certain objects are filled with mojo, and can generate good/bad vibes accordingly. I believe that it's almost silly NOT to understand that a musical instrument will be altered by how it vibrates (someone must remember the "vibrating chamber" that Rick Turner checked out for use with guitars...?). And if an instrument is transformed by its use, and we are transformed by music, well, "there's magic in the music and the music's in me..." This thread is my Looper's Christmas wish come true. Thank you all! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone --Boundary_(ID_0KD+Ezj2alV2QGfbyAywwQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I simply must thank you all for this thread. It's the sharing of these ideas, feelings and observations that makes the Looping community my fave-rave e-place.
 
Since I review gear as part of my work, and since I own a good number of instruments (and play them all), I can say that mojo is absolutely what it's all about, with the understanding that a certain resonance exists between the player and the played. Per mentioned this. I think it can sometimes be understood in very practical terms: a guitarist might favor the key of G major. S/he picks up a guitar, strums some chords that revolve around G, and it just doesn't feel right. Next guitarist comes along, favoring the key of E, and the same guitar goes bonkers - strong E major resonance, weak G major resonance.
 
In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one.
 
I also believe that certain objects are filled with mojo, and can generate good/bad vibes accordingly. I believe that it's almost silly NOT to understand that a musical instrument will be altered by how it vibrates (someone must remember the "vibrating chamber" that Rick Turner checked out for use with guitars...?). And if an instrument is transformed by its use, and we are transformed by music, well, "there's magic in the music and the music's in me..."
 
This thread is my Looper's Christmas wish come true. Thank you all!
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
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--Boundary_(ID_0KD+Ezj2alV2QGfbyAywwQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 01:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD56D3BEC7; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dNYP7uimDL502V3iiuucGBH8mza5iItDXCeVlpYNqoBPE1C9G51IiVAtLqYdv8kmai1cOq/FGSPo2lV848uClQof9FXvuZl5qYMnve8ypznDZV3GXlDix5tSLBLy1oV/5GYXTUYr+ejD88sPtq7lFcU+XeqfLRKuUvq7fyrBpms= In-Reply-To: <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <92c104e17f03b7f527646963a1ea8a23@glasswing.com> <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <247BB773-1619-429E-87ED-3C5F2C607D10@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:37:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <05yhpB.A.t7G.IPJiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Speaking about guitars etc it's pretty obvious that wood, as the construction material, resonates differently with each instrument. But there also seems to exist some plain physical, mechanically universal, factors laying out the foundation for music and sound as vibration of air pressure level. As an example, when working with synths in different studios I have noticed that the low D note is a good pitch level for bass. Low enough for carrying a lot on its shoulders without getting in the way but still high enough to not loose the punch in the attack. Every time when testing out bass patches/channels/filtering I tend to arrive at D, even when not knowing what key we are in. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 02:20:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4B03BEDC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bYbjWoA6M/GO/fsayDpU8Y8Q9g5pZ/T5UeBxf5nf3AIU1t6mFyJ1yJda5CcvNg+PWY4v7hwwUqm2W1lAvmgi9ZoDaRtEr1hv21Xd81X+Wy4wznFaH+mk5D7XC9LaRZ491Wj/OUlU/0P8R/0LxHQPPSS/1bdJaD8VzQET9TkBB3M=; X-YMail-OSG: ApgJLdcVM1kgdpyzp8bCwfq7EI1fwgjDZpyiJoOrX1CCUiJRAU4Hbqhq6W8Aa.JwsN02HgQPlZl56sGVwqJ0mZZeqChIFb6lryG_jNczWJ8XJ18QaQoym4hqgysBHd8OTbskBh93P8o6VMbuwcVm18.GyRNaZFtl_A-- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping footwear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <046201c72384$2d0d9ab0$14b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:20:25 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot > stilts, the kind that > painters or ceiling finishers use. and it'd be cool to configure that department store keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on with your 4 foot stilts... And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 02:58:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4435D3BEDC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=yj20050223; d=yahoo.co.jp; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rI7e9sCS21liRFi1RM0J9wGVvrM3Xz6bOQ7IkV3EW2hUEGUp9ySGgoSp/lcKvWYayJbNMGK/p/gU0LeH9l7fIRdTvgntnFhKsLFHePCspte7l3oyf+mCoF3bSZltsoj1 ; Message-ID: <20061220025806.45702.qmail@web3501.mail.bbt.yahoo.co.jp> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:58:06 +0900 (JST) From: Subject: repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Resent-Message-ID: <1qlAC.A.XfB.BbKiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:58:10 +0000 (UTC) I used to be a member of this list a couple years ago. I was too busy with grad school to spend much time making music, so I sold my EDP --hoping that the Repeater would be back on the market by the time I finished my degree... Well I finished one degree and I started on another, but decided that I want to get back into playing-even if it delays my dissertation a bit However, Electrix has not answered my mails and I'm stuck without a looper. Does anyone have the inside scoop on what is going on? Also I noticed that used EDPs on eBay are selling for less than the 800 dollars or so that I bought mine for now... is there an upgrade waiting in the wings? drop_d -------------------------------------- Get the new Internet Explorer 7 optimized for Yahoo! JAPAN http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/ie/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 03:28:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C828B3BEDE; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com auth-sender:lab_monkey@mail2world.com thread-index: Accj5utcwulGqeDCSj2JkX+UZT0p/Q== Thread-Topic: FEEDBACK CODE QUESTION From: "Ior Bock" To: Subject: FEEDBACK CODE QUESTION Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:28:30 -0800 Message-ID: <15cf01c723e6$eb5c6660$0a04010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_15D0_01C723A3.DD392660" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 03:28:30.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB67D810:01C723E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:28:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_15D0_01C723A3.DD392660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm hoping to find some answers to questions relating to video feedback. 1.) Do you know how the golden mean, phi comes into play with video feedback, especially when we see TV feedback displaying the spiral / nautilus shell form ? 2.) Is the feedback occuring within the mechanical circuity of the feedback system a kind of resonance, and if so what exactly is it, what is 'resonanting' and how? 3.) I'm hoping to emulate video feedback with software and am trying to figure out basic algorithms that will let me do this, I recently posted the below detailed query to a Visual Basic programmers forum, but it seems like there was little 'feedback' on this, can you offer any insights? Are there any code snippets floating about that will let me do this that you may know of? (Please see below) Best regards to you and thank you for any input you can offer Ior ------------ Hi Folks, Asking for help with trying to figure out a way to emulate simple tv video feedback with VB using simple graphics. For this scenario I don't know where to begin though, am hoping for some thoughtful input, suggestions, and code samples to get me started would be a God send. Would prefer NOT using DirectX if possible, but just the plain simple graphics tools standard to VB 4.0, 5.0... Have included a bunch of links to illustrate what I am looking for. Really what Im after is best represented in the very first link, and this is what I would like to replicate. Would like to do this with integers being used as the feedback medium, in other words, for video feedback we have for example; "Video Feedback is easy and fun for anyone with a video camera and a monitor (TV screen). To make the simplest kind, take the "video out" from the camera and plug it into the "video in" on the monitor, and then point the camera at the monitor, so the monitor displays a picture of the monitor. Now you have a video feedback loop! To get the effects demonstrated in the gallery, careful adjustments of the various knobs and dials on the camera and monitor are required. I also recommended that you get a tripod. This is especially useful for doing rotations, since the camera can be held at a fixed angle. Adjust the tripod so you can rotate the camera about the viewing axis." so in the VB code, user inputs numbers into some text boxes and these serve as the "video in" and "video out" mechanisms, so through looped recursion; do while loop_counter <> 5000 textbox1.text = 100 represents Camera video out textbox2.text = 75 represents Monitor video in var = new value + (textbox1.text + textbox2.text) recursion value (code here generates graphic spiral ) loop Following demonstrates what Im after exactly, note I'm not looking for a solution that needs to be really high fine complex graphics, etc - just want to demonstrate the basic concept. Would like the feedback generated however to be tied directly to the number inputs specifically though. Any help would be appreciated! Cheers ------------------ P.S. - got the following response from a VB forum; "Originally Posted by chemicalNova In any way in VB, drawing the graphical spiral will be very very VERY slow. Does it have to be literally the same as whats above? How about, for example, a PictureBox that acts as the screen (video out), and a PictureBox that acts as the camera (video in). The Screen picturebox has a mini version of the camera box, which holds the contents of the Screen Picturebox. Then, you could possibly give exact rotation angles, for the camera, and display it inside the screen picturebox." DESCRIPTIVE LINKS on VIDEO FEEDBACK FOLLOW; ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jqm62IhLGM http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ http://www.archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=HansLemursonDavi dSkold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHmtSGbD8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jqm62IhLGM http://www.archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=HansLemursonDavi dSkold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHmtSGbD8s http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=fe edback&search_sort=&search_category=26 http://members.tripod.com/professor_tom/galleries/video/mixer/mixer4.htm l http://members.tripod.com/professor_tom/galleries/video/mixer/mixer5.htm l http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ http://nyfilmvideo.com/sep2002/screen4.htm ===== Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback James P. Crutchfield Video feedback provides a readily available experimental system to study complex spatial and temporal dynamics. This article outlines the use and modeling of video feedback systems. It http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=fe edback&search_sort=&search_category=26 MediaSculp - Gallery http://www.mediasculp.com/QTVR/ http://www.mediasculp.com/Gallery/videofeedback/index.htm http://www.videofeedback.dk/vf/oversigt.html http://www.videofeedback.com/ http://www.art.pdx.edu/faculty/facultyhome/pirofsky/digital_stupa/digita lstupa.html Click to protect your business! Compare business insurance rates

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Hi,

I'm hoping to find some answers to questions relating to video feedback.

1.) Do you know how the golden mean, phi comes into play with video feedback, especially when we see TV feedback
displaying the spiral / nautilus shell form ?

2.) Is the feedback occuring within the mechanical circuity of the feedback system a kind of resonance, and if so what exactly is it, what is 'resonanting' and how?

3.) I'm hoping to emulate video feedback with software and am trying to figure out basic algorithms that will let me do this,
I recently posted the below detailed query to a Visual Basic programmers forum, but it seems like there was little 'feedback'
on this, can you offer any insights? Are there any code snippets floating about that will let me do this that you may know of?
(Please see below)

Best regards to you and thank you for any input you can offer

Ior

------------
Hi Folks,

Asking for help with trying to figure out a way to emulate simple tv video feedback with VB using simple graphics.

For this scenario I don't know where to begin though, am hoping for some thoughtful input, suggestions, and code samples to get me started would be a God send. Would prefer NOT using DirectX if possible, but just the plain simple graphics tools standard to VB 4.0, 5.0...

Have included a bunch of links to illustrate what I am looking for. Really what Im after is best represented in the very first link, and this is what I would like to replicate.

Would like to do this with integers being used as the feedback medium, in other words, for video feedback we have for example;

"Video Feedback is easy and fun for anyone with a video camera and a monitor (TV screen). To make the simplest kind, take the "video out" from the camera and plug it into the "video in" on the monitor, and then point the camera at the monitor, so the monitor displays a picture of the monitor. Now you have a video feedback loop! To get the effects demonstrated in the gallery, careful adjustments of the various knobs and dials on the camera and monitor are required. I also recommended that you get a tripod. This is especially useful for doing rotations, since the camera can be held at a fixed angle. Adjust the tripod so you can rotate the camera about the viewing axis."

so in the VB code, user inputs numbers into some text boxes and these serve as the "video in" and "video out" mechanisms, so through looped recursion;

do while loop_counter <> 5000
textbox1.text = 100 represents Camera video out
textbox2.text = 75 represents Monitor video in
var = new value + (textbox1.text + textbox2.text) recursion value
(code here generates graphic spiral )
loop

Following demonstrates what Im after exactly, note I'm not looking for a solution that needs to be really high fine complex graphics, etc - just want to demonstrate the basic concept. Would like the feedback generated however to be tied directly to the number inputs specifically though. Any help would be appreciated!

Cheers
------------------
P.S. - got the following response from a VB forum;

"Originally Posted by chemicalNova
In any way in VB, drawing the graphical spiral will be very very VERY slow.

Does it have to be literally the same as whats above? How about, for example, a PictureBox that acts as the screen (video out), and a PictureBox that acts as the camera (video in). The Screen picturebox has a mini version of the camera box, which holds the contents of the Screen Picturebox. Then, you could possibly give exact rotation angles, for the camera, and display it inside the screen picturebox."



DESCRIPTIVE LINKS on VIDEO FEEDBACK FOLLOW;
-------------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jqm62IhLGM

http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/

http://www.archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=HansLemursonDavidSkold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHmtSGbD8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jqm62IhLGM
http://www.archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=HansLemursonDavidSkold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHmtSGbD8s



http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=feedback&search_sort=&search_category=26

http://members.tripod.com/professor_tom/galleries/video/mixer/mixer4.html
http://members.tripod.com/professor_tom/galleries/video/mixer/mixer5.html
http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/
http://nyfilmvideo.com/sep2002/screen4.htm
=====
Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback James P. Crutchfield Video feedback provides a readily available experimental system to study complex spatial and temporal dynamics. This article outlines the use and modeling of video feedback systems. It

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=feedback&search_sort=&search_category=26

MediaSculp - Gallery
http://www.mediasculp.com/QTVR/
http://www.mediasculp.com/Gallery/videofeedback/index.htm
http://www.videofeedback.dk/vf/oversigt.html
http://www.videofeedback.com/
http://www.art.pdx.edu/faculty/facultyhome/pirofsky/digital_stupa/digitalstupa.html





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Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ------=_NextPart_000_15D0_01C723A3.DD392660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 04:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB1713BECA; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4588B5C2.1030709@frey.co.nz> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:02:10 +1300 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FEEDBACK CODE QUESTION References: <15cf01c723e6$eb5c6660$0a04010a@mail2world.com> In-Reply-To: <15cf01c723e6$eb5c6660$0a04010a@mail2world.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Ior Bock wrote: > 1.) Do you know how the golden mean, phi comes into play with video > feedback, especially when we see TV feedback > displaying the spiral / nautilus shell form ? It doesn't. > 2.) Is the feedback occuring within the mechanical circuity of the > feedback system a kind of resonance, and if so what exactly is it, what > is 'resonanting' and how? If the feedback consists of a video camera pointed at a television (or a webcam pointed at its own preview window on a computer screen) the whole system of video camera, television, and light waves can be said to be the thing that is resonating. > 3.) I'm hoping to emulate video feedback with software and am trying to > figure out basic algorithms that will let me do this, > I recently posted the below detailed query to a Visual Basic programmers > forum, but it seems like there was little 'feedback' > on this, can you offer any insights? Are there any code snippets > floating about that will let me do this that you may know of? > (Please see below) Digital video feedback usually involves getting access to the back-buffer, processing it somehow, and then blitting the processed image to the front-buffer. Google 'rotozoom', also check out http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/GePhex Note that what makes analog video feedback different to digital video feedback is the kind of things it's very difficult to emulate digitally - namely the specific color response characteristics and geometry of the video camera and television. You have actually played with a video camera and television, right? Or even a webcam and your computer monitor? -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 04:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15893BEDD; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=pKP2XULRail2wOnDNtaHQS5/qlxofUZiIsCv7sPWgHDEwp/DuETCE/ExhaAANm1ZIxYiFh1Nl1opB+WZ4WxesV90HD2NdrlcJxgHme7B1TageY0I8zEcfsFhpbZ/yMLwQ1mjQ/siEeE6JKCkxE1wPXu5fxTQmRe1C3cHOy+94lI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1913FCA9-3948-4D73-B708-973A99ECB772@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: guitar styling Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:30:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Nice guitar styling, *stickian*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 also different mojo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXqFqmptNQE via Neatorama. cheers BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 04:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FBE23BEC7; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061220025806.45702.qmail@web3501.mail.bbt.yahoo.co.jp> References: <20061220025806.45702.qmail@web3501.mail.bbt.yahoo.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: repeater Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:32:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:32:16 +0000 (UTC) > > Well I finished one degree and I started on another, but decided > that I > want to get back into playing-even if it delays my dissertation a bit I started my Ph.D program at the University of Chicago in 1994. We're now less than a month away from 2007, and my adviser has just recently approved my dissertation. Still waiting to hear from my other two committee members. Here's hoping your journey will be much faster than mine. > > However, Electrix has not answered my mails and I'm stuck without a > looper. > Does anyone have the inside scoop on what is going on? I don't think anyone knows for sure. I had a Repeater on order with Full Compass for well over a year. A couple months ago they refunded my deposit because they were told that Electrix didn't even have a prototype made yet. Bottom line: It doesn't look good. You'll finish your dissertation before the Repeater II sees the light of day. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 06:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371433BEDB; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612200613.kBK6DCU0085582@mail01.peak.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:13:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear In-Reply-To: <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <92c104e17f03b7f527646963a1ea8a23@glasswing.com> <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 5.222 (*****) FORGED_MUA_EUDORA,MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:13:23 +0000 (UTC) At 05:06 AM 12/20/2006, you wrote: >Since I review gear as part of my work, and since I own a good >number of instruments (and play them all), I can say that mojo is >absolutely what it's all about,...I think it can sometimes be >understood in very practical terms... Another practical way that mojo can exist is in simple mechanics, even apart from the resonant frequencies of the guitar. For example, the frets and the neck may be set in one guitar with such exquisite perfection that the action can be set very low without buzzing. The frets may be perfectly rounded. Such perfection means that the acoustic guitar plays like butter. The bracing in the guitar may be of exactly the right dimensions and glued perfectly. The perfection may be fleeting--only a couple of guitars of that model in the whole world may have that perfection. A player unschooled in luthiery knows what he holds but doesn't have the language or concepts to describe it. All he can say is that the instrument has great mojo. A clerk in a music shop once showed me this with two high-end guitars--identical model, wood, date of manufacture, finish, everything. But one sounded good and the other...fantastic. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 08:19:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF123BEDC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612200819.kBK8J7CX082544@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: repeater Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:19:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accj4rdoNj696ug3RZSIyrw+Bg743gAKLIDA In-Reply-To: <20061220025806.45702.qmail@web3501.mail.bbt.yahoo.co.jp> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <_8c0i.A.HKE._HPiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Dear D, Do yourself a favor and buy a looperlative. Either that or buy a used repeater or EDP. I have been using all three, and though both the Repeater and EDP each have fantastic levels of sophistication, a gazillion features, and their own quirky personality traits, the Looperlative has even more depth; a list of features that continues to grow, more memory, more tracks, and more pristine sound quality than either unit. The Looperlative is the kind of device that handles both conventional, and avant garde musical approaches with equal aplomb. Yes it is pricey, but so is a lap top with all of the bells and whistles. The learning curve is not very steep compared to a lap top looper, and it integrates well with other gear. Don't hold your breath waiting for a new Repeater, the last time I spoke with anyone with inside information, (last spring), they said there wasn't even a working prototype. Who knows where they are at. As for the EDP, as long as misguided corporations like Gibson are calling the shots, who knows if they will ever endeavor to update the EDP, or even bother to make another production run with the current LOOPIV software. Good luck Bill -----Original Message----- From: greatguns06@yahoo.co.jp [mailto:greatguns06@yahoo.co.jp] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater I used to be a member of this list a couple years ago. I was too busy with grad school to spend much time making music, so I sold my EDP --hoping that the Repeater would be back on the market by the time I finished my degree... Well I finished one degree and I started on another, but decided that I want to get back into playing-even if it delays my dissertation a bit However, Electrix has not answered my mails and I'm stuck without a looper. Does anyone have the inside scoop on what is going on? Also I noticed that used EDPs on eBay are selling for less than the 800 dollars or so that I bought mine for now... is there an upgrade waiting in the wings? drop_d -------------------------------------- Get the new Internet Explorer 7 optimized for Yahoo! JAPAN http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/ie/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 08:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D8F3BEDC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612200845.kBK8jwcn002435@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:45:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C723D0.379AA580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accj1GPvMIwaZr2RRbatz8e/5PQHfgAO327g In-Reply-To: <009d01c72437$b128f0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:46:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C723D0.379AA580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, you wrote "In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. " Its possible that the electric guitar you own has a dead spot resonate to the pitch G, unless all your guitars are doing this, I've used a groove tubes fat finger to lower the resonate frequency on my guitar and move 9but not totally eliminate) dead spots. But...I think the problem you are encountering may be inherent to modeling processors in general, I've owned stuff from Line 6 (a pod pro), Roland (VF-1), and a Vox tone lab se. Of the three, the vox sounds the best and feels the best to my ears and fingers, however, all of them exhibit a digital rasp or harshness, that is most apparent on clean tones, and open strings (the g string being the worst, but not the only offender), and hard playing only makes it worse and sound more harsh and hollow, with no bloom to the note. After my love affair with the vox started to wear off , I became more aware that this same phenomena had also occurred with my Line 6 Pod pro I had gotten rid of, and even worse on my VF-1, (that I no longer use for its modeling but still use for its massive effects). Now I may not have noticed it so much if I didn't have real tube amps and analog effects to compare the modeling to, but now that I do it's starting to irritate me, and make me long for an all tube direct recording amp that has speaker emulation, but is and all analogue signal path. Speaking of which, I got a chance to check out the new Princeton recording amp from fender. Holy Shit the thing is really good sounding with an excellent built in over drive and compressor. I spent about a half hour with it and I was very impressed. And then I got sticker shock! Bill _____ From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:06 AM To: Richard Sales; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear I simply must thank you all for this thread. It's the sharing of these ideas, feelings and observations that makes the Looping community my fave-rave e-place. Since I review gear as part of my work, and since I own a good number of instruments (and play them all), I can say that mojo is absolutely what it's all about, with the understanding that a certain resonance exists between the player and the played. Per mentioned this. I think it can sometimes be understood in very practical terms: a guitarist might favor the key of G major. S/he picks up a guitar, strums some chords that revolve around G, and it just doesn't feel right. Next guitarist comes along, favoring the key of E, and the same guitar goes bonkers - strong E major resonance, weak G major resonance. In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. I also believe that certain objects are filled with mojo, and can generate good/bad vibes accordingly. I believe that it's almost silly NOT to understand that a musical instrument will be altered by how it vibrates (someone must remember the "vibrating chamber" that Rick Turner checked out for use with guitars...?). And if an instrument is transformed by its use, and we are transformed by music, well, "there's magic in the music and the music's in me..." This thread is my Looper's Christmas wish come true. Thank you all! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C723D0.379AA580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Doug, you wrote =

“In the world = of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It = has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes = limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit = just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. = “

 

Its possible that the electric guitar you own has a dead spot = resonate to the pitch G, unless all your guitars are doing this, I’ve used = a groove tubes fat finger to lower the resonate frequency on my guitar and = move 9but not totally eliminate) dead spots.

But…….I think the problem you are encountering =  may be inherent to modeling processors in general, I’ve owned stuff from = Line 6 (a pod pro), Roland (VF-1), and a Vox tone lab se. Of the three, the vox = sounds the best and feels the best to my ears and fingers, however, all of them exhibit a digital rasp or harshness, that is most apparent on clean = tones, and open strings (the g string being the worst, but not the only offender), = and hard playing only makes it worse and sound more harsh and hollow, with = no bloom to the note. After my love affair with the vox started to wear off , I = became more aware that this same phenomena had also occurred with my Line 6 Pod = pro I had gotten rid of, and even worse on my VF-1, (that I no longer use for its modeling but still use for its massive effects). Now I may not have = noticed it so much if I didn’t have real tube amps and analog effects to = compare the modeling to, but now that I do it’s starting to irritate me, and = make me long for an all tube direct recording amp that has speaker emulation, = but is and all analogue signal path. Speaking of which, I got a chance to check = out the new Princeton recording amp from = fender. Holy Shit the thing is really good sounding with an excellent built in over = drive and compressor. I spent about a half hour with it and I was very = impressed. And then I got sticker shock!

Bill

 

 

 

From: = Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December = 20, 2006 5:06 AM
To: Richard Sales; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Stepping on = silence, mojo and vintage gear

 

I simply must thank you all for this thread. It's the sharing of = these ideas, feelings and observations that makes the Looping community my = fave-rave e-place.

 

Since I review gear as part of my work, and since I own a good = number of instruments (and play them all), I can say that mojo is absolutely = what it's all about, with the understanding that a certain resonance exists = between the player and the played. Per mentioned this. I think it can sometimes be understood in very practical terms: a guitarist might favor the key of G = major. S/he picks up a guitar, strums some chords that revolve around G, and it = just doesn't feel right. Next guitarist comes along, favoring the key of E, = and the same guitar goes bonkers - strong E major resonance, weak G major = resonance.

 

In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss = GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of = the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar = resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that = one.

 

I also believe that certain objects are filled with mojo, and = can generate good/bad vibes accordingly. I believe that it's almost silly = NOT to understand that a musical instrument will be altered by how it vibrates (someone must remember the "vibrating chamber" that Rick = Turner checked out for use with guitars...?). And if an instrument is = transformed by its use, and we are transformed by music, well, "there's magic in = the music and the music's in me..."

 

This thread is my Looper's Christmas wish come true. Thank you = all!

 

Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /font>

 

"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't have to come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C723D0.379AA580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 08:57:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD1A3BEE1; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c72414$debde040$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <589479.77988.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a5801c7208f$5bdf4700$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Christmas list Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:54:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:57:31 +0000 (UTC) An easy-to-transport amp rig w/speakers, a new Wah-wah pedal and a more-recovered middle finger... :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:10 PM > Subject: Looper's Christmas list > > >> Sure, a lot of people like to point out that Christmas >> is all about the birth of a guy who wanted us to try >> being nicer, but we know what it's really about. >> Presents! >> >> So what's on ya'll Christmas lists? I love hearing >> shit like that. Here's mine... It's really more of a >> "wish list" and possibilities of what my beloved >> Repeater might become (my rule's been to only get new >> software if it can be from the funds of stuff sold on >> ebay) >> >> Cameleon 5000 Additive Synth >> >> Izotope's effects bundle >> (Distortion/mastering/spectral effects) >> >> CamelPhat (beat synced FSUer) >> >> Toontrack EZ Drummer (more beats!) >> >> PSPaudioware Vintage Warmer (tube post amp/compressor) >> >> Ohmboyz: $130 (Delay/distortion FSU'er) >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. >> Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 09:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED643BEE6; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017301c72416$38c3e070$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <906324.37735.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:07:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7KU1kC.A.HJG.-0PiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Nah, they're still tired of self-righteous leftist crapola from Al Gore, who most likely blames Bush for the ozone layer as well as that election he doesn't like to think about. Now THAT'S an inconvenient truth.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 00:22 AM Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list > Yes! i just saw the film "an inconvenient truth" but > even more shocking was finding out that only about 2 > million americans have seen this film thats 290 > million that havent seen it!anyway it was so > depressing i had to drink a couple of beers > afterwards....no wonder people are looking to move to > mars! > Luis > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> it's gonna happen!!! hopefully before the ocean >> rises 4 1/2 >> feet...the other news today. >> >> On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> > >> > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html >> > >> > --- Zoe Keating wrote: >> > >> >> brain-controlled midi interface >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > ______________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail >> beta. >> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 12:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784553BEE8; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, RP Collier Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:00:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OT: guitar styling Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <458925FB.21748.815521@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1913FCA9-3948-4D73-B708-973A99ECB772@gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:01:11 +0000 (UTC) On 19 Dec 2006 at 20:30, RP Collier wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 I "found" this guy a few weeks ago- what's amazing is how many people seem to have sussed it out and broadcast their own version of "drifting"! The label seems to have a wealth of talent - for some more amazing candyrat chops check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGemE401r-M guaranteed to give most guitarists a feeling of inadequacy... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 13:38:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616CF3BEDF; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Zoe's? (was: Looper's Christmas list) In-Reply-To: <79EF2C8B-C5F9-480D-8C30-BF7F4E04B703@zoekeating.com> Message-ID: References: <65F0D60D-32BF-4946-AF83-EFE03488F78E@baymoon.com> <001801c72186$514b1d80$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <79EF2C8B-C5F9-480D-8C30-BF7F4E04B703@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:38:01 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Zoe Keating wrote: > OMG > > I am so there. > > Thank you for the link! Zoe, I found this article today about a project built using the IBVA gear: http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2006/12/everything_begins_wi.html http://www.lenara.com/mindvj/ best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > On Dec 16, 2006, at 6:51 PM, raul bonell wrote: > >> http://www.ibva.com/ >> http://www.ibva.com/Step1/Step1.html#midi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 15:35:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50AB33BEDD; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0612190954h1bd0bab9j8140f9d3a7c08b9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0612190954h1bd0bab9j8140f9d3a7c08b9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:30:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1045493574==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b16e1ac83c3c614ec9593018396a610eb5548f7b21afc86f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1045493574==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have owned and/or used nearly every looper on the planet at one point or another. If I listen to what results I have produced, I would say that to me the music is interesting in inverse proportion to the bells and whistles on the looper. At the top of my list is the Lexicon Jam Man. Even before I installed Bob Sellon's superior OS, this looper has a magical liquidity to the tone that others lack. When used with a MIDI foot controller, it's interface is quick and intuative. The Repeater has lots of useless bells and whistles, the pitch and tempo control creates the most worthless artifact, and permanently corrupts the data if the tempo is altered before an overdub is recorded. The repeater is also beseiged by digital clocking noises. Perfect example of "Looks good on paper". The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs for all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine. The Echoplex pro has incredible software, but uses an antiquated conversion topology which uses pre-emphasis/ de-emphasis and this makes the unit highly subject to aliasing (ever try a fuzzbox direct into it?). It also uses companding which alters the tone in a unique way. It's an instrument, right? The Line 6 pedal is quite simple but you cannot defeat the direct signal path, which because it is digital, produces latency. It's only useful as a stompbox in line. The Boss RC50 has far too many menues and pedestrian features. How do you start a new loop without the damn drum machine blasting your audience?? The 2880 falls somewhere in between all those loopers, it promises features found only on the repeater, but suffers from originality, so it is often harshly compared to the Repeater. It lacks any of the editing capability of the multi segment loopers, such as A/B loops. It certainly sounds better than the repeater. It's more like a crazy 4 track recorderd with a 2 track mixdown deck than a phrase looper, though it can be used this way. CZ >I've been really interested in the 2880 recently and am thinking >about picking it up. > >Right now I'm using the akai headrush to loop my sounds. >Most of my songs are around the 5 minute range, and I create my >loops using the headrush, >but basically when I want to create a new loop with a different beat >or melody, I have fade out the existing loop into silence >and then start recording a new loop. > >I'd like the ability to transition into a new melody without any silence. >So on the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then >when I'm bored of that melody, create a new loop on loop 2 >and then fade track 1 down to make the full transition to loop 2 and so forth. > >For those of you that are using the 2880, >what are your biggest complaints? > >Thanks in advance, >Dan > >-- >kosukeweb >http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1045493574==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts**

I have owned and/or used nearly every looper on the planet at one point or another. If I listen to what results I have produced, I would say that to me the music is interesting in inverse proportion to the bells and whistles on the looper.

At the top of my list is the Lexicon Jam Man. Even before I installed Bob Sellon's superior OS, this looper has a magical liquidity to the tone that others lack. When used with a MIDI foot controller, it's interface is quick and intuative.

The Repeater has lots of useless bells and whistles, the pitch and tempo control creates the most worthless artifact, and permanently corrupts the data if the tempo is altered before an overdub is recorded. The repeater is also beseiged by digital clocking noises. Perfect example of "Looks good on paper".

The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs for all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine.

The Echoplex pro has incredible software, but uses an antiquated conversion topology which uses pre-emphasis/ de-emphasis and  this makes the unit highly subject to aliasing (ever try a fuzzbox direct into it?). It also uses companding which alters the tone in a unique way. It's an instrument, right?

The Line 6 pedal is quite simple but you cannot defeat the direct signal path, which because it is digital, produces latency. It's only useful as a stompbox in line.

The Boss RC50 has far too many menues and pedestrian features. How do you start a new loop without the damn drum machine blasting your audience??

The 2880 falls somewhere in between all those loopers, it promises features found only on the repeater, but suffers from originality, so it is often harshly compared to the Repeater. It lacks any of the editing capability of the multi segment loopers, such as A/B loops. It certainly sounds better than the repeater. It's more like a crazy 4 track recorderd with a 2 track mixdown deck than a phrase looper, though it can be used this way.

CZ



I've been really interested in the 2880 recently and am thinking about picking it up.

Right now I'm using the akai headrush to loop my sounds.
Most of my songs are around the 5 minute range, and I create my loops using the headrush,
but basically when I want to create a new loop with a different beat or melody, I have fade out the existing loop into silence
and then start recording a new loop.

I'd like the ability to transition into a new melody without any silence.
So on the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then when I'm bored of that melody, create a new loop on loop 2
and then fade track 1 down to make the full transition to loop 2 and so forth.

For those of you that are using the 2880,
what are your biggest complaints?

Thanks in advance,
Dan

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76


--
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1045493574==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 15:46:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7A03BEE2; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <21613565.1166629186605.JavaMail.root@web40> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 7:39:46 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Cc: Stephen Goodman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Actually, that was a fairly interesting film. The brain-washed right-wingers like to practice their Josep Goebbels-inspired character assassination techniques against Al Gore but at least he's doing something valuable with his life after being in the Whitehouse. Wonder what Junior will do with his? -- Paul Richards ---- Stephen Goodman wrote: > Nah, they're still tired of self-righteous leftist crapola from Al Gore, who > most likely blames Bush for the ozone layer as well as that election he > doesn't like to think about. Now THAT'S an inconvenient truth.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 00:22 AM > Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list > > > > Yes! i just saw the film "an inconvenient truth" but > > even more shocking was finding out that only about 2 > > million americans have seen this film thats 290 > > million that havent seen it!anyway it was so > > depressing i had to drink a couple of beers > > afterwards....no wonder people are looking to move to > > mars! > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > >> it's gonna happen!!! hopefully before the ocean > >> rises 4 1/2 > >> feet...the other news today. > >> > >> On Dec 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/hitachi_commerc.html > >> > > >> > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> > > >> >> brain-controlled midi interface > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > ______________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > >> beta. > >> > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 15:53:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DF393BEDF; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ad01c7244e$f3699360$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <010401c723c7$39422a10$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: VST Media Player Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:53:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per. It has more features than what I need, but it will do the trick. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: VST Media Player > On 20 dec 2006, at 00.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> It's a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a VST based media player? >> Something that will play mp3 or wav files inside my VST host > > > Any software based sampler plug-in will do that. There is a quite good > freeware sampler for XP called Highlife. It can be downloaded from > http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 15:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A06773BEFC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=TaTBJ9p9ufeWfpNZW/E1dyuTOz9FTpH99eEXDFcqZdnVhBE8NAtwaimSoPMSsOhqofIiRoEGsqRBN11a7VB5aQNLaOiJnTZuYf+UUBQPFdDKT7HLUfJYmzl9fz1naihWBckMUcNQDE+sXkdQJgL8QVs+GplBDhZG6WXYmaHtPKw= ; X-YMail-OSG: JeZYxM0VM1mUQjia85jekMd2lZE5rOSnFw5KEfz37zaC3y.mY8k8ZVgTBSpR_bMBUzVTMLCE4eN6wYnL_sRJmYcGGzcpDnYCzoI.WLRDFkBaO85YIZbBYYBl_bTmX2crPa3ex6IcuBf14yY- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:54:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C72425.36C330A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcckTHmgy98NZUOkRrGWV/9rGJWlPQAAen2g Message-Id: <20061220155438.5A8203BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-tw8yC.A.T8D.-yViFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:54:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C72425.36C330A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know how I can get my hands on the Sellon upgrade? I've gotten no response from the webpage. For me, the jury is still out on the 2880. I've only used it on a couple of gigs so I am still getting used to it. Maybe the fact that I'm not already in love with it is telling... The whole tape-speed-sounding-wierdness- when-slaved thing is a bummer, too. m _____ From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** I have owned and/or used nearly every looper on the planet at one point or another. If I listen to what results I have produced, I would say that to me the music is interesting in inverse proportion to the bells and whistles on the looper. At the top of my list is the Lexicon Jam Man. Even before I installed Bob Sellon's superior OS, this looper has a magical liquidity to the tone that others lack. When used with a MIDI foot controller, it's interface is quick and intuative. The Repeater has lots of useless bells and whistles, the pitch and tempo control creates the most worthless artifact, and permanently corrupts the data if the tempo is altered before an overdub is recorded. The repeater is also beseiged by digital clocking noises. Perfect example of "Looks good on paper". The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs for all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine. The Echoplex pro has incredible software, but uses an antiquated conversion topology which uses pre-emphasis/ de-emphasis and this makes the unit highly subject to aliasing (ever try a fuzzbox direct into it?). It also uses companding which alters the tone in a unique way. It's an instrument, right? The Line 6 pedal is quite simple but you cannot defeat the direct signal path, which because it is digital, produces latency. It's only useful as a stompbox in line. The Boss RC50 has far too many menues and pedestrian features. How do you start a new loop without the damn drum machine blasting your audience?? The 2880 falls somewhere in between all those loopers, it promises features found only on the repeater, but suffers from originality, so it is often harshly compared to the Repeater. It lacks any of the editing capability of the multi segment loopers, such as A/B loops. It certainly sounds better than the repeater. It's more like a crazy 4 track recorderd with a 2 track mixdown deck than a phrase looper, though it can be used this way. CZ I've been really interested in the 2880 recently and am thinking about picking it up. Right now I'm using the akai headrush to loop my sounds. Most of my songs are around the 5 minute range, and I create my loops using the headrush, but basically when I want to create a new loop with a different beat or melody, I have fade out the existing loop into silence and then start recording a new loop. I'd like the ability to transition into a new melody without any silence. So on the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then when I'm bored of that melody, create a new loop on loop 2 and then fade track 1 down to make the full transition to loop 2 and so forth. For those of you that are using the 2880, what are your biggest complaints? Thanks in advance, Dan -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 -- ... http://www.zmix.net ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C72425.36C330A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal = **thoughts**
Anybody know how I can get my hands on the = Sellon=20 upgrade?  I've gotten no response from the = webpage.
 
For me, the jury is still out on the = 2880.  I've only=20 used it on  a couple of gigs so I am still getting used to = it.  Maybe the fact that I'm not already in love with it is=20 telling...
The whole tape-speed-sounding-wierdness- = when-slaved thing=20 is a bummer, too.
 
m

From: Charles Zwicky=20 [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, = 2006=20 10:31 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts**


I have owned and/or used nearly every looper on the planet at one = point or=20 another. If I listen to what results I have produced, I would say that = to me the=20 music is interesting in inverse proportion to the bells and whistles on = the=20 looper.

At the top of my list is the Lexicon Jam Man. Even before I = installed Bob=20 Sellon's superior OS, this looper has a magical liquidity to the tone = that=20 others lack. When used with a MIDI foot controller, it's interface is = quick and=20 intuative.

The Repeater has lots of useless bells and whistles, the pitch and = tempo=20 control creates the most worthless artifact, and permanently corrupts = the data=20 if the tempo is altered before an overdub is recorded. The repeater is = also=20 beseiged by digital clocking noises. Perfect example of "Looks good on=20 paper".

The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs = for all=20 the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound quality = can be=20 improved considerably. I modified mine.

The Echoplex pro has incredible software, but uses an antiquated = conversion=20 topology which uses pre-emphasis/ de-emphasis and  this makes the = unit=20 highly subject to aliasing (ever try a fuzzbox direct into it?). It also = uses=20 companding which alters the tone in a unique way. It's an instrument,=20 right?

The Line 6 pedal is quite simple but you cannot defeat the direct = signal=20 path, which because it is digital, produces latency. It's only useful as = a=20 stompbox in line.

The Boss RC50 has far too many menues and pedestrian features. How = do you=20 start a new loop without the damn drum machine blasting your = audience??

The 2880 falls somewhere in between all those loopers, it promises = features=20 found only on the repeater, but suffers from originality, so it is often = harshly=20 compared to the Repeater. It lacks any of the editing capability of the = multi=20 segment loopers, such as A/B loops. It certainly sounds better than the=20 repeater. It's more like a crazy 4 track recorderd with a 2 track = mixdown deck=20 than a phrase looper, though it can be used this way.

CZ



I've been really interested in the = 2880=20 recently and am thinking about picking it up.

Right now I'm = using the=20 akai headrush to loop my sounds.
Most of my songs are around the 5 = minute=20 range, and I create my loops using the headrush,
but basically when = I want=20 to create a new loop with a different beat or melody, I have fade out = the=20 existing loop into silence
and then start recording a new = loop.

I'd=20 like the ability to transition into a new melody without any = silence.
So on=20 the 2880, I'd create maybe a 4 layer loop on track 1..then when I'm = bored of=20 that melody, create a new loop on loop 2
and then fade track 1 down = to make=20 the full transition to loop 2 and so forth.

For those of you = that are=20 using the 2880,
what are your biggest complaints?

Thanks in=20 advance,
Dan

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--=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C72425.36C330A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 15:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B82AE3BEE7; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping footwear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:56:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:56:12 +0000 (UTC) I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, you would take your shoes off and leave your socks on, and rather than operating a pedal, you would slide your foot over the mat to change expression values. There could be two or more zones, for multiple controller #s. And a fun feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you could control that puck in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where moving it around the x/y axis changes multiple parameters. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot >> stilts, the kind that >> painters or ceiling finishers use. > > and it'd be cool to configure that department store > keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on > with your 4 foot stilts... > > And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of > stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) > > -t- > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:00:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA303BEF0; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:thread-index; b=gYDfM6B3oBk3k8gX2yuz7CC912jZPZjIZ1O5u8oktfxgd54cOQr1xETf4gp72fJvWyaaVBYzV/TiGzzd58FvLPZUjhGZRIOF03ymERBnAdMqeoIrX7m7Le6XygmOf5AjBCBvdnFbICI5U/+osw9wfBYlHDCX9YRGHX6MvPmnfcY= ; X-YMail-OSG: HDmbdpQVM1nQRhYdSDxiKq9wpa1I4su3YIImGsqhJ4N6OGZBNNcWYJ721zFi4mRkfA5FsoWsJcAzFgwvrb1zkJu.SklZ.b6_2DXmUFvdqfhwpMICGIEA8i_KpVwJRco81o30Bm1nggDtSJM- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: AirFX Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:00:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C72426.1A42C890" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20061220155438.5A8203BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> thread-index: AcckTHmgy98NZUOkRrGWV/9rGJWlPQAAen2gAABPUSA= Message-Id: <20061220160059.49AF33BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C72426.1A42C890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way, I would highly recommend using an a/b or fx loop selector switch with the AirFX. That way you can quickly and easily take it out of the signal chain when it spontaneously dies in the middle of a set. And it will. Wicked fun box though. m http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C72426.1A42C890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal = **thoughts**
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C72426.1A42C890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0C93BF06; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45895E3A.8050300@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:00:58 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping footwear References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0661-0, 12/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:01:11 +0000 (UTC) or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your feet... --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a > while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was > thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. > Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but > capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, you would take your shoes > off and leave your socks on, and rather than operating a pedal, you > would slide your foot over the mat to change expression values. There > could be two or more zones, for multiple controller #s. And a fun > feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you could control that puck > in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where moving it around the x/y > axis changes multiple parameters. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot >>> stilts, the kind that >>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >> >> and it'd be cool to configure that department store >> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on >> with your 4 foot stilts... >> >> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >> >> -t- >> >> >> 'Rantai' CD: >> 'Mesh' CD: >> Chain Tape Collective: >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54EBC3BF10; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c301c72450$c001b730$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45895E3A.8050300@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Looping footwear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:06:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <1EXveC.A.yqE.t9ViFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:06:06 +0000 (UTC) And then next will be a contraption that tracks pupil dilation and eye movement, to control both x/y axis data and something other interesting based on pupil dilation. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Looping footwear > or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your feet... > > --Josh > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a >> while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was thinking >> of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. Basically, it >> would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but capable of sending >> MIDI expression data. So, you would take your shoes off and leave your >> socks on, and rather than operating a pedal, you would slide your foot >> over the mat to change expression values. There could be two or more >> zones, for multiple controller #s. And a fun feature would be an x/y >> axis grid, so that you could control that puck in Cycling 74's Hipno >> "hipnoscope"....where moving it around the x/y axis changes multiple >> parameters. >> >> Kris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >>> >>> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot >>>> stilts, the kind that >>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >>> >>> and it'd be cool to configure that department store >>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on >>> with your 4 foot stilts... >>> >>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >>> >>> -t- >>> >>> >>> 'Rantai' CD: >>> 'Mesh' CD: >>> Chain Tape Collective: >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:06:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AAA63BF21; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:06:12 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looping footwear Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c72450$c97d6390$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcckUBFTGNSb+SlCQ2GitfNFYuRWdwAAJ9Ng In-Reply-To: <45895E3A.8050300@infinivert.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:06:17 +0000 (UTC) With some degree of dexterity in your toes, you can manipulate the Kaoss directly with your feet.=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 17:01 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Looping footwear >=20 > or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your feet... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258433BF22; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45895FAE.4050605@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:07:10 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping footwear References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45895E3A.8050300@infinivert.com> <01c301c72450$c001b730$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01c301c72450$c001b730$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0661-0, 12/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <9iiqtD.A.t4E.6-ViFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Actually, someone should run with that idea... it shoudn't be that hard Krispen Hartung wrote: > And then next will be a contraption that tracks pupil dilation and eye > movement, to control both x/y axis data and something other > interesting based on pupil dilation. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > >> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your feet... >> >> --Josh >> >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a >>> while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was >>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. >>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but >>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, you would take your >>> shoes off and leave your socks on, and rather than operating a >>> pedal, you would slide your foot over the mat to change expression >>> values. There could be two or more zones, for multiple controller >>> #s. And a fun feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you could >>> control that puck in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where moving >>> it around the x/y axis changes multiple parameters. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >>> >>> >>>> >>>> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot >>>>> stilts, the kind that >>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >>>> >>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department store >>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on >>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >>>> >>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >>>> >>>> -t- >>>> >>>> >>>> 'Rantai' CD: >>>> 'Mesh' CD: >>>> Chain Tape Collective: >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:07:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA0D3BF27; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:07:48 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looping footwear Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c72451$02af6af0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcckUO8N0MMmTzhvR5u4eicTRb4r0gAAAjFg In-Reply-To: <45895FAE.4050605@infinivert.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) works great with that sensor: http://www.pmdtec.com/e_index.htm=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 17:07 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Looping footwear >=20 > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it shoudn't be=20 > that hard >=20 > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > And then next will be a contraption that tracks pupil=20 > dilation and eye=20 > > movement, to control both x/y axis data and something other=20 > > interesting based on pupil dilation. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:15:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6143BEDE; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looping footwear In-Reply-To: <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:15:32 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a while > back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was thinking of a hard > plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. Basically, it would be like a > touch sensitive computer screen, but capable of sending MIDI expression data. > So, you would take your shoes off and leave your socks on, and rather than > operating a pedal, you would slide your foot over the mat to change > expression values. There could be two or more zones, for multiple controller I can get part way on this now. Playstation2 floor pad for the Dance Dance Revolution game, PS2<>USB adapter, Mac with STEIM's junXion software for the USB<>MIDI mapping. That doesn't give me sliders, but it does give nine or so big buttons with arbitrarily-defined-by-me MIDI mapping for each button. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:23:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1DB3BF29; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d201c72453$268ba540$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061220022024.48445.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01ae01c7244f$5e8d3fc0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45895E3A.8050300@infinivert.com> <01c301c72450$c001b730$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45895FAE.4050605@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Looping footwear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:23:17 +0000 (UTC) I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a mouse or webcam. You asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You could assign the color to your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera that fits on the eye and meets the system requirements. Man, this would really cool. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Looping footwear > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it shoudn't be that hard > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks pupil dilation and eye >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and something other interesting >> based on pupil dilation. :) >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your feet... >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a >>>> while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, you would take your shoes >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than operating a pedal, you >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change expression values. There >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple controller #s. And a fun >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you could control that puck >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where moving it around the x/y >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 foot >>>>>> stilts, the kind that >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >>>>> >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department store >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to step on >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >>>>> >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >>>>> >>>>> -t- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:24:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32B43BF36; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:15:54 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear To: William Walker , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ppn2Euczd2x09NSX7tdQsw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200612200845.kBK8jwcn002435@mail.cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:24:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ppn2Euczd2x09NSX7tdQsw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Doug, you wrote "In the world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. It has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. " Its possible that the electric guitar you own has a dead spot resonate to the pitch G, unless all your guitars are doing this, I've used a groove tubes fat finger to lower the resonate frequency on my guitar and move 9but not totally eliminate) dead spots. Nope, as I said, I can feel the guitar resonating on the note G. And I don't have the problem in any other system, and especially not in any tube amp. But...I think the problem you are encountering may be inherent to modeling processors in general, I've owned stuff from Line 6 (a pod pro), Roland (VF-1), and a Vox tone lab se. Of the three, the vox sounds the best and feels the best to my ears and fingers, however, all of them exhibit a digital rasp or harshness, that is most apparent on clean tones, and open strings (the g string being the worst, but not the only offender), and hard playing only makes it worse and sound more harsh and hollow, with no bloom to the note. This is the curse of digitizing. They just don't deal with overtones nicely. The VF-1 is, I believe, essentially the same as the Boss GT-3, and I just can't use the modeling or the clean sounds when I have several nice tube amps available. I can't explain it as well as an engineer, but my take is that analog is infinite in detail and forgiving at its limits; digital is finite in detail and unforgiving at its limits. Analog = good mojo, digital = bad mojo. It takes strong magic to harness the power of digital mojo. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone --Boundary_(ID_ppn2Euczd2x09NSX7tdQsw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Doug, you = wrote=20 =93In the=20 world of electronic chips and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. = BUT. It=20 has no resonance around the pitch of G. Regardless of the patch, it = kinda goes=20 limp when I play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the = unit just=20 tossing a wet blanket over the note. Explain that one. " 
 
Its possible = that the=20 electric guitar you own has a dead spot resonate to the pitch G, unless = all your=20 guitars are doing this, I=92ve used a groove tubes fat finger to lower = the=20 resonate frequency on my guitar and move 9but not totally eliminate) = dead=20 spots.
 
Nope, as I said, I = can feel the=20 guitar resonating on the note G. And I don't have the problem in any = other=20 system, and especially not in any tube amp.
 
But=85=85.I think the problem you are = encountering  may=20 be inherent to modeling processors in general, I=92ve owned stuff from = Line 6 (a=20 pod pro), Roland (VF-1), and a Vox tone lab se. Of the three, the vox = sounds the=20 best and feels the best to my ears and fingers, however, all of them = exhibit a=20 digital rasp or harshness, that is most apparent on clean tones, and = open=20 strings (the g string being the worst, but not the only offender), and = hard=20 playing only makes it worse and sound more harsh and hollow, with no = bloom to=20 the note.
 
This is the curse of digitizing. They just don't deal with = overtones=20 nicely. The VF-1 is, I believe, essentially the same as the Boss GT-3, = and I=20 just can't use the modeling or the clean sounds when I have several nice = tube=20 amps available. I can't explain it as well as an engineer, but my = take is=20 that analog is infinite in detail and forgiving at its limits; digital = is finite=20 in detail and unforgiving at its limits. Analog =3D good mojo, digital = =3D bad mojo.=20 It takes strong magic to harness the power of digital=20 mojo.
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You = don't have to=20 come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_ppn2Euczd2x09NSX7tdQsw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 16:27:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80B4B3BF39; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "murkie" Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:27:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: AirFX Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45896473.15047.1755954@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20061220160059.49AF33BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:27:43 +0000 (UTC) On 20 Dec 2006 at 11:00, murkie wrote: > By the way, I would highly recommend using an a/b or fx loop selector > switch with the AirFX. That way you can quickly and easily take it > out of the signal chain when it spontaneously dies in the middle of a > set. And it will. I've used mine at every gig for over 3 years and it's been perfect every time. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42FF83BEF7; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 457114055 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7245B.E31AA0B9" Subject: RE: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:25:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8A1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** thread-index: AcckW+M7hN8szUhKQk6O9a1OOMu91g== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 17:25:47.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[E35CEB90:01C7245B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:25:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7245B.E31AA0B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs for = all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound = quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine. << =20 care to share some details? =20 d.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7245B.E31AA0B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts**
>>The EH 16 second delay = has some=20 ineresting features, such as knobs for all the functions. The time = stretching is=20 quite granular. The sound quality can be improved considerably. I = modified=20 mine. <<
 
care to share some details?
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7245B.E31AA0B9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:29:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA8E3BEFE; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SXHY5PAFWOUDUeKj98/2Yh4as+HfyQyCiVJCcUgMp6wW/MlRqETPQkZOKWDvbNNIunnLEDgFQDUZ6Q+sPYv4vRmcOpC0JL9zvnYvReY63NG2ISiSl9/HnA2eDl/yPjpnIu5DTBHyBGrHbeh1A/lLRInmFfaGyzP6iX2mNnSIH14=; X-YMail-OSG: xWAtCG8VM1kolt0kITxLjQ4gCLxDeV_5tlCVCocq2YEeBtfKgJEAXFlKQl78Jatx0sBv90QbZnrwlRM7Yuk4lO8zMvGXuoEoukzvaSQBFFD1cxyOafRnjw-- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: g To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <885029.25793.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:29:55 +0000 (UTC) --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Doug, you wrote "In the world of electronic chips > and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. > It has no resonance around the pitch of G. > Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I > play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I > hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the > note. Explain that one. " My guitar's going through a Tonelab SE AND a VF-1 and my g string sounds beautiful. Chimy and resonent. Just in case I powered everything up before I wrote this to check. Yup. Sounds great. Now, I'm using a solid body Steinberger (not the all carbonfiber ones, but the neck is) Could your problem be the mojo of the tree hates the mojo of the silicon? Perhaps a gypsy put a curse on you? but I kid. There's got to be a scientific reason for what you're experiencing, but I can't imagine saying, "Digital" will cover it. Let's face it, what music does one listen to these days that doesn't become digital at some point? I'd love to hear a recording of your problem. I've seen Adrian Belew live with his Line6 modeling amps and he's got one of the sweetest tones going. I really can't imagine it's that. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073783BEFC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ns4Myi44P4S2ZzKF4b3dseqLox8A33JA46Sg6KRCsqBgidoLOd/wA7q6QqbaHQC3DqbLN6/3o7THS1hZqLRrWiKb3M05f+6OjN7ZTYsaK7xxi1thGL5Qxi6wzf1IGHsNjlPFDS47fPyHNORtwnvlUHOMq1lV20G6fLvHrhkUmm4=; X-YMail-OSG: aEOfUEoVM1m1IvzQ3wgq81G42PvvfbcanSKsyFtH8STwnJTaF6o.dlc31T1q.p.Pew-- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Alt controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01d201c72453$268ba540$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:33:16 +0000 (UTC) P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site for $25 Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a > mouse or webcam. You > asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You > could assign the color to > your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera > that fits on the eye and > meets the system requirements. Man, this would > really cool. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > > > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it > shoudn't be that hard > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks > pupil dilation and eye > >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and > something other interesting > >> based on pupil dilation. :) > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua > Carroll" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM > >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > >> > >> > >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your > feet... > >>> > >>> --Josh > >>> > >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was > talking to Jeff Kaiser a > >>>> while back about a cool type of expression > pedal concept. I was > >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones > marked out on it. > >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive > computer screen, but > >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, > you would take your shoes > >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than > operating a pedal, you > >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change > expression values. There > >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple > controller #s. And a fun > >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you > could control that puck > >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where > moving it around the x/y > >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. > >>>> > >>>> Kris > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" > > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 > foot > >>>>>> stilts, the kind that > >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. > >>>>> > >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department > store > >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to > step on > >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... > >>>>> > >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of > >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> -t- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: > >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: > >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: > > >>>>> > >>>>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72FF63BF0B; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:38:17 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) sorry to chime in late, but, the Z.Vex Probe pedals are cool, in that they use similar technology to the theramin instead of a physical pedal: http://www.zvex.com/wahprobe.html http://www.zvex.com/fuzzprobe.html http://www.zvex.com/trem.html peace -cpr Quoting mark sottilaro : > P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar > while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and > it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site > for $25 > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a > > mouse or webcam. You > > asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You > > could assign the color to > > your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera > > that fits on the eye and > > meets the system requirements. Man, this would > > really cool. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Carroll" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM > > Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > > > > > > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it > > shoudn't be that hard > > > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks > > pupil dilation and eye > > >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and > > something other interesting > > >> based on pupil dilation. :) > > >> > > >> Kris > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua > > Carroll" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM > > >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > >> > > >> > > >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your > > feet... > > >>> > > >>> --Josh > > >>> > > >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was > > talking to Jeff Kaiser a > > >>>> while back about a cool type of expression > > pedal concept. I was > > >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones > > marked out on it. > > >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive > > computer screen, but > > >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, > > you would take your shoes > > >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than > > operating a pedal, you > > >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change > > expression values. There > > >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple > > controller #s. And a fun > > >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you > > could control that puck > > >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where > > moving it around the x/y > > >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. > > >>>> > > >>>> Kris > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" > > > > >>>> To: > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung > > wrote: > > >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 > > foot > > >>>>>> stilts, the kind that > > >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department > > store > > >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to > > step on > > >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of > > >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -t- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: > > >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: > > >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: > > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > __________________________________________________ > > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B184D3BF10; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8A1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.co m> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8A1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.co m> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:41:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1045485806==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b16e1ac83c3c614e86f4e91b5ed77c2992764449e275203c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1045485806==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I modified my EH 16 to have an Analog dry path. No latency or aliasing issues at all! > >>The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as >knobs for all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. >The sound quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine. << > >care to share some details? > >d. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1045485806==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts**

I modified my EH 16 to have an Analog dry path. No latency or aliasing issues at all!


>>The EH 16 second delay has some ineresting features, such as knobs for all the functions. The time stretching is quite granular. The sound quality can be improved considerably. I modified mine. <<
 
care to share some details?
 
d.


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http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1045485806==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:56:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21303BF00; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024c01c72460$1eb139e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> Subject: Re: Alt controllers Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:56:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Very cool. I love the demo videos. I'm wondering what the advantage is of using a normal pedal vs. an "air" pedal, when in both cases you have to move your foot in a similar fashion in a fixed area. I think just a MIDI expression pedal that used this technology would be beneficial. That way I can use it for what I want, not limited to wah, fuzz, nad trem. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Alt controllers > sorry to chime in late, but, the Z.Vex Probe pedals are cool, in that they > use > similar technology to the theramin instead of a physical pedal: > > http://www.zvex.com/wahprobe.html > http://www.zvex.com/fuzzprobe.html > http://www.zvex.com/trem.html > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting mark sottilaro : > >> P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar >> while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and >> it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site >> for $25 >> >> Mark >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> > I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a >> > mouse or webcam. You >> > asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You >> > could assign the color to >> > your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera >> > that fits on the eye and >> > meets the system requirements. Man, this would >> > really cool. >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joshua Carroll" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >> > >> > > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it >> > shoudn't be that hard >> > > >> > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks >> > pupil dilation and eye >> > >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and >> > something other interesting >> > >> based on pupil dilation. :) >> > >> >> > >> Kris >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua >> > Carroll" >> > >> To: >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM >> > >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your >> > feet... >> > >>> >> > >>> --Josh >> > >>> >> > >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was >> > talking to Jeff Kaiser a >> > >>>> while back about a cool type of expression >> > pedal concept. I was >> > >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones >> > marked out on it. >> > >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive >> > computer screen, but >> > >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, >> > you would take your shoes >> > >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than >> > operating a pedal, you >> > >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change >> > expression values. There >> > >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple >> > controller #s. And a fun >> > >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you >> > could control that puck >> > >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where >> > moving it around the x/y >> > >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Kris >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >> > >> > >>>> To: >> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >> > >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung >> > wrote: >> > >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 >> > foot >> > >>>>>> stilts, the kind that >> > >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department >> > store >> > >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to >> > step on >> > >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >> > >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> -t- >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: >> > >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: >> > >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > __________________________________________________ >> > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >> > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 17:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280A23BF1B; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025501c72460$a8462c60$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Alt controllers Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:59:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) If I could grow an extra finger on each hand, I'd go for a P6 Data Glove and never have to play an instrument again! Everyone note accessible, and just add a button on the floor to shift octaves. Here it is, the MIDI Glove: http://www.vrealities.com/midiglove.html This is great. But man, look at the price!!! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Alt controllers > P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar > while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and > it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site > for $25 > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a >> mouse or webcam. You >> asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You >> could assign the color to >> your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera >> that fits on the eye and >> meets the system requirements. Man, this would >> really cool. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >> > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it >> shoudn't be that hard >> > >> > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks >> pupil dilation and eye >> >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and >> something other interesting >> >> based on pupil dilation. :) >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua >> Carroll" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >> >> >> >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your >> feet... >> >>> >> >>> --Josh >> >>> >> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was >> talking to Jeff Kaiser a >> >>>> while back about a cool type of expression >> pedal concept. I was >> >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones >> marked out on it. >> >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive >> computer screen, but >> >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, >> you would take your shoes >> >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than >> operating a pedal, you >> >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change >> expression values. There >> >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple >> controller #s. And a fun >> >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you >> could control that puck >> >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where >> moving it around the x/y >> >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. >> >>>> >> >>>> Kris >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >> >> >>>> To: >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung >> wrote: >> >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 >> foot >> >>>>>> stilts, the kind that >> >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department >> store >> >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to >> step on >> >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >> >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -t- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: >> >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: >> >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: >> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> __________________________________________________ >> >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >> >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:00:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CEDF3BF28; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 572558867 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: g Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:00:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8A2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: g thread-index: AcckYK4I7tdpXwqhS/+RPUD7hBcJ0A== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 18:00:05.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE0964A0:01C72460] Resent-Message-ID: <8KIm8.A.OfC.poXiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:00:09 +0000 (UTC) >>Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I play a G. I can = feel my guitar resonating, but I hear the unit just tossing a wet = blanket over the note. Explain that one.<< "fascinating, captain. I'd like to take this back to the ship & run some = tests on it, specifically a /white-sound-spectrograph/." "but why, spock? what do you think it can tell us?" "well, captain, it's possible that somewhere in the conversion = processes, the designers have used a 'comb filter', which is attenuating = the sub-harmonics of the frequency it was designed to remove. or it may = be that there is a hum-filter in the noise-cancelling circuit that is = unintentionally attenuating the overtones of 50/60 Hz energies present = in our signal." "transporter room, three to beam up. & this.... GT-3.... doohickey. & = prepare the sick-bay. kirk out." I sometimes tune up to mains-frequency, which at 50 Hz is quite close to = bottom G on a bass, 49 Hz.=20 if I look at my watch at the same time, I can get the beat-frequency = near enough to 1Hz to be very close to concert-pitch. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 989C33BF24; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <21613565.1166629186605.JavaMail.root@web40> References: <21613565.1166629186605.JavaMail.root@web40> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:58:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: on my looper's christmas list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:05:05 +0000 (UTC) At 7:39 AM -0800 12/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >Actually, that was a fairly interesting film. The brain-washed >right-wingers like to practice their Josep Goebbels-inspired >character assassination techniques against Al Gore but at least he's >doing something valuable with his life after being in the >Whitehouse. Wonder what Junior will do with his? Well, I hear Junior's wishing for a Lego set for Xmas.... --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B72593BF3B; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,193,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="160653531:sNHT18240971" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: footwear DIY ? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:05:49 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: footwear DIY ? Thread-Index: AcckYXrKCgUuZzilT26+oRHaTxt0pg== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 18:05:50.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B2B4750:01C72461] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Seriously, the foot controller described by Krispen shouldn't be all that hard to build with existing components. Perhaps some commercially available pressure pads, ribbon controllers, etc. Emmett Chapman made a really interesting FX controller pad years ago that facilitated cross fading between FX. -Qua =20 > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I would love that! On a related note, I was talking to Jeff Kaiser a=20 >> while back about a cool type of expression pedal concept. I was thinking=20 >> of a hard plastic mat that had zones marked out on it. Basically, it=20 >> would be like a touch sensitive computer screen, but capable of sending=20 >> MIDI expression data. So, you would take your shoes off and leave your=20 >> socks on, and rather than operating a pedal, you would slide your foot=20 >> over the mat to change expression values. There could be two or more=20 >> zones, for multiple controller #s. And a fun feature would be an x/y >> axis grid, so that you could control that puck in Cycling 74's Hipno=20 >> "hipnoscope"....where moving it around the x/y axis changes multiple=20 >> parameters. >> >> Kris >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:08:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68A593BEDF; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1166638026.45897bcab39be@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:07:06 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> <024c01c72460$1eb139e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <024c01c72460$1eb139e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:08:49 +0000 (UTC) I'll write the software if someone builds the hardware.. ;) I've discussed 'midi-izing' the zvex pedals with Zack, but it didn't interest him at the time (5-6 years ago), and it was before the Probe had come out.. so, I just sent him an email asking again, this time regarding the Probe... peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Very cool. I love the demo videos. I'm wondering what the advantage is of > using a normal pedal vs. an "air" pedal, when in both cases you have to move > > your foot in a similar fashion in a fixed area. I think just a MIDI > expression pedal that used this technology would be beneficial. That way I > can use it for what I want, not limited to wah, fuzz, nad trem. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Alt controllers > > > > sorry to chime in late, but, the Z.Vex Probe pedals are cool, in that they > > > use > > similar technology to the theramin instead of a physical pedal: > > > > http://www.zvex.com/wahprobe.html > > http://www.zvex.com/fuzzprobe.html > > http://www.zvex.com/trem.html > > > > peace > > -cpr > > > > Quoting mark sottilaro : > > > >> P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar > >> while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and > >> it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site > >> for $25 > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >> > I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a > >> > mouse or webcam. You > >> > asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You > >> > could assign the color to > >> > your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera > >> > that fits on the eye and > >> > meets the system requirements. Man, this would > >> > really cool. > >> > > >> > Kris > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Joshua Carroll" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Looping footwear > >> > > >> > > >> > > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it > >> > shoudn't be that hard > >> > > > >> > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks > >> > pupil dilation and eye > >> > >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and > >> > something other interesting > >> > >> based on pupil dilation. :) > >> > >> > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua > >> > Carroll" > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your > >> > feet... > >> > >>> > >> > >>> --Josh > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was > >> > talking to Jeff Kaiser a > >> > >>>> while back about a cool type of expression > >> > pedal concept. I was > >> > >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones > >> > marked out on it. > >> > >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive > >> > computer screen, but > >> > >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, > >> > you would take your shoes > >> > >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than > >> > operating a pedal, you > >> > >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change > >> > expression values. There > >> > >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple > >> > controller #s. And a fun > >> > >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you > >> > could control that puck > >> > >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where > >> > moving it around the x/y > >> > >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Kris > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" > >> > > >> > >>>> To: > >> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM > >> > >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 > >> > foot > >> > >>>>>> stilts, the kind that > >> > >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department > >> > store > >> > >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to > >> > step on > >> > >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of > >> > >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> -t- > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: > >> > >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: > >> > >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: > >> > > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >> > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> > protection around > >> > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:11:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34F933BEEC; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:09:25 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: g To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007b01c724c6$97a5d2a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <885029.25793.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:11:25 +0000 (UTC) comments follow quotes... > > Doug, you wrote "In the world of electronic chips > > and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. > > It has no resonance around the pitch of G. > > Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I > > play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I > > hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the > > note. Explain that one. " > > My guitar's going through a Tonelab SE AND a VF-1 and > my g string sounds beautiful. Chimy and resonent. > Just in case I powered everything up before I wrote > this to check. Yup. Sounds great. > > Now, I'm using a solid body Steinberger (not the all > carbonfiber ones, but the neck is) Could your problem > be the mojo of the tree hates the mojo of the silicon? > Perhaps a gypsy put a curse on you? > > but I kid. There's got to be a scientific reason for > what you're experiencing, but I can't imagine saying, > "Digital" will cover it. Let's face it, what music > does one listen to these days that doesn't become > digital at some point? I'd love to hear a recording > of your problem. If I remember to press the "record" button the next time I'm playing with that rig, I'll send you a recording! It's clear and obvious when it happens. In spite of my previous pronouncement ("digital = bad mojo") I don't believe that ALL digital info is ALL bad. It's when you get to the edges (very loud; strong transients; upper harmonic content; very soft; etc.) that the weaknesses appear to me. > I've seen Adrian Belew live with his Line6 modeling > amps and he's got one of the sweetest tones going. I > really can't imagine it's that. I must confess, as much as I love Ade, when I last saw King Crimson (B.B. King's club in NYC, about - what was it? three years ago?), I had a feeling of "digital fatigue" from the guitars. I think the Frippster was using a digital amp as well. I LOVE the Crim and I'll go anywhere they take me, but that's what I felt. So I really CAN imagine it's that! :-) What actually surprised me was that they were using the amps. I dunno Mark, maybe I'm just becoming an old fart - "Hey! You Kids! Get offa my lawn with that digital hash! You're making me tired with all those 'ones' and 'zeros!' " dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72CB73BF07; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <885029.25793.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <885029.25793.qm@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:28:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: g Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:28:04 +0000 (UTC) At 9:29 AM -0800 12/20/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >--- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >> Doug, you wrote "In the world of electronic chips >> and processors, I own a Boss GT-3. I love it. BUT. >> It has no resonance around the pitch of G. >> Regardless of the patch, it kinda goes limp when I >> play a G. I can feel my guitar resonating, but I >> hear the unit just tossing a wet blanket over the > > note. Explain that one. " > >but I kid. There's got to be a scientific reason for >what you're experiencing, but I can't imagine saying, >"Digital" will cover it. Agreed, but what about saying "design" to cover it. Think about it: 90% of all modelers out there are really nothing more that some sort of distortion/preamp with an EQ stage inserted pre-distortion and another EQ stage inserted post-distortion. Yeah, I know things are a little more complicated with real-life, but that's pretty much the basic concept. However, just as EQ's can create resonant frequencies, they can also cut them. It's entirely possible that the EQ snapshots within the Boss modeller are interacting to create an artificial "dead spot" around the fundamental frequency of 'G'. In fact, I'd even go so far as to bet that the designers on the GT-3 were probably trying to do something like emulate that famous Marshal "mid-scoop", and inadvertently whacked out the frequency response as the pre- and post- EQ's interact. In addition, there could be further problems with other items (either instruments or effects) up and down the signal chain exacerbating this effect. So, I'm betting that Douglas is probably spot on with his observations, and the GT-3 has some design issues. Also, I think it starts to show that any system (digital or analog) which is made complex enough will begin to take on some anthropomorphic characteristics. Sometimes, that's a good thing, though.... --m. -- _______ "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:36:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A8003BF08; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Alt controllers, Rafael Toral Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Alt controllers, Rafael Toral Thread-Index: AcckZblFVbdMRIaZR2qZe5a709ST5A== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 18:36:26.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1E1B540:01C72465] Resent-Message-ID: <1d0b2.A.hPE.eKYiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:36:15 +0000 (UTC) I've been listening to Rafael Toral, some of whose music is really tremendous. I have not quite absorbed his new recording, "Space", yet, but a few interrupted listenings have kept me intrigued. The interview with him in a recent Wire was quite thought-provoking. Anyway, I mention him because of what he is doing with controllers. Anyone that is interested in alternative controllers and hasn't seen what he is now using should take a look. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers If I could grow an extra finger on each hand, I'd go for a P6 Data Glove and=20 never have to play an instrument again! Everyone note accessible, and just=20 add a button on the floor to shift octaves. Here it is, the MIDI Glove: http://www.vrealities.com/midiglove.html This=20 is great. But man, look at the price!!! Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Alt controllers > P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar > while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and > it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site > for $25 > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a >> mouse or webcam. You >> asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You >> could assign the color to >> your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera >> that fits on the eye and >> meets the system requirements. Man, this would >> really cool. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >> > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it >> shoudn't be that hard >> > >> > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks >> pupil dilation and eye >> >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and >> something other interesting >> >> based on pupil dilation. :) >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua >> Carroll" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >> >> >> >> >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your >> feet... >> >>> >> >>> --Josh >> >>> >> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was >> talking to Jeff Kaiser a >> >>>> while back about a cool type of expression >> pedal concept. I was >> >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones >> marked out on it. >> >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive >> computer screen, but >> >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, >> you would take your shoes >> >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than >> operating a pedal, you >> >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change >> expression values. There >> >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple >> controller #s. And a fun >> >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you >> could control that puck >> >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where >> moving it around the x/y >> >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. >> >>>> >> >>>> Kris >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >> >> >>>> To: >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung >> wrote: >> >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 >> foot >> >>>>>> stilts, the kind that >> >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department >> store >> >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to >> step on >> >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of stonehenge...=20 >> >>>>> and some dry ice. :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -t- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: >> >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: >> >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: >> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> __________________________________________________ >> >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >> >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E124E3BF18; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:37:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Has anybody actually used the new(ish) Hot Hand motion-controlled pedals from Source Audio yet? ( http://www.sourceaudio.net/ ) I wasn't more than casually interested in these, until I saw that they've incorporated an Expression Pedal Output. I've got more than enough things lying around that can take an EV-5 or CV Pedal Input. The initial effect notwithstanding, this looks like it might be fun to control some of the other whacked-out boxes I've got around. --m. At 11:38 AM -0600 12/20/06, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >sorry to chime in late, but, the Z.Vex Probe pedals are cool, in that they use >similar technology to the theramin instead of a physical pedal: > >http://www.zvex.com/wahprobe.html >http://www.zvex.com/fuzzprobe.html >http://www.zvex.com/trem.html > >peace >-cpr > >Quoting mark sottilaro : > >> P5 Data Glove. Trust me. You can still play guitar >> while wearing one and man does it look geektastic and >> it's so fucking fun. I got mine from a closeout site >> for $25 >> >> Mark >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> > I agree....the Cycling 74 Hipnoscope operates from a >> > mouse or webcam. You >> > asssign a color that will serve as the "puck". You >> > could assign the color to >> > your exact pupil color...just need a tiny camera >> > that fits on the eye and >> > meets the system requirements. Man, this would >> > really cool. >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joshua Carroll" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >> > >> > > Actually, someone should run with that idea... it >> > shoudn't be that hard >> > > >> > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> And then next will be a contraption that tracks >> > pupil dilation and eye >> > >> movement, to control both x/y axis data and >> > something other interesting >> > >> based on pupil dilation. :) >> > >> >> > >> Kris >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua >> > Carroll" >> > >> To: >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM >> > >> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> or use it to control your Kaoss Pad with your >> > feet... >> > >>> >> > >>> --Josh >> > >>> >> > >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >>>> I would love that! On a related note, I was >> > talking to Jeff Kaiser a >> > >>>> while back about a cool type of expression >> > pedal concept. I was >> > >>>> thinking of a hard plastic mat that had zones >> > marked out on it. >> > >>>> Basically, it would be like a touch sensitive >> > computer screen, but >> > >>>> capable of sending MIDI expression data. So, >> > you would take your shoes >> > >>>> off and leave your socks on, and rather than >> > operating a pedal, you >> > >>>> would slide your foot over the mat to change >> > expression values. There >> > >>>> could be two or more zones, for multiple >> > controller #s. And a fun >> > >>>> feature would be an x/y axis grid, so that you >> > could control that puck >> > >>>> in Cycling 74's Hipno "hipnoscope"....where >> > moving it around the x/y >> > >>>> axis changes multiple parameters. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Kris >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" >> > >> > >>>> To: >> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:20 PM >> > >>>> Subject: Re: Looping footwear >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> --- Krispen Hartung >> > wrote: >> > >>>>>> I thought it would be fun to loop with 4 >> > foot >> > >>>>>> stilts, the kind that >> > >>>>>> painters or ceiling finishers use. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> and it'd be cool to configure that department >> > store >> > >>>>> keyboard from 'big' as a midi controller to >> > step on >> > >>>>> with your 4 foot stilts... >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> And right next to ya could be a 19" replica of >> > >>>>> stonehenge... and some dry ice. :) > > > >>>>> >> > >>>>> -t- >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> 'Rantai' CD: >> > >>>>> 'Mesh' CD: >> > >>>>> Chain Tape Collective: >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > __________________________________________________ >> > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >> > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 18:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3A73BF25; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=URDFb2RvXj2ij9PUJNW+F4szavcAfcgPlYC3x6QzneS98OK3+akIRLgHZyNm17rkWvs+acaDopw+x7zAMMPS5M4ROu5Y6UXdB0UBQFQ6XKMQRCsCuwEy+VHvhl/f9NZUPhgzEGb44XyDHVn40pkeplGUicOxzN6JNf1wfcSZB00=; X-YMail-OSG: 4slQT90VM1l6y2UaBvsbsiSnOqvLfcrRmHp8vGoakFl4uXYLk.KZ97BIE7b5Rqnj_sgqsnUmAJYyLYUYf3JrJV4t_T3fmSIU_ruwv_JslA7A827qSjZxXGlpnZuZ4LZ_cbag9gRqyXwpkhHP2Bpca6.xiZCLRyM2Xf4- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: g To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c724c6$97a5d2a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <42957.29760.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > King's club in NYC, about - what was it? three years > ago?), I had a feeling > of "digital fatigue" from the guitars I tell you, I've gone to see them and I've had good ol'fashion ear fatigue from their far too loud mix. I spent one show almost in the lobby it was do damn loud. > dunno Mark, maybe I'm just > becoming an old fart - "Hey! You Kids! Get offa my > lawn with that digital > hash! You're making me tired with all those 'ones' > and 'zeros!' " Haha. Yeah, I like being a cranky old man myself. Suits me just fine! Perhaps I don't hear what you're hearing because I've already lost that range of hearing. In the end I just have to smile because I know most of the people who do hear my music are listening to it via CreativeAudio $50 computer speakers. Take care my friend, if you make a recording of any type, g or no g, I'd like to hear it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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= --Apple-Mail-4--644982857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:11:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7333BF10; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <200612200845.kBK8jwcn002435@mail.cruzio.com> <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:11:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:11:49 +0000 (UTC) At 11:15 PM -0500 12/20/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >I can't explain it as well as an engineer, but my take is that >analog is infinite in detail and forgiving at its limits; digital is >finite in detail and unforgiving at its limits. Analog = good mojo, >digital = bad mojo. Ah, but then we have the example of the Ensoniq/E-mu Paris HD recording system -- a digital system which not only allowed you to drive the recording needles "into the red" but actively encouraged you to. They'd figured out a digital algorithm that realistically emulated the same sort of soft clipping or tape saturation you find in an analog system. Of course, it seems they're about the only ones to have done that, but it shows it can be done. >It takes strong magic to harness the power of digital mojo. Werd! Or else incorporate enough complexity and variables into the system that it develops a mind of its own, and then simply amuse yourself as you watch it run amok. ;) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:20:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E1B3BEEE; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1166642350.45898cae4047d@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:19:10 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers (Zvex midi probe possibility) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) So, I heard back from Zack, and he's showed interest in the midi probe idea... he can supply pure resistance or voltage (just a few volts range) from the probe to an a/d converter, but, he doesn't do digital.. so, if there is someone out there interested in this part of this project let me know.. and we'll see what we can make happen.. :) Please feel free to contact me offlist if you are interested.. peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888543BF10; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <458925FB.21748.815521@nick.12testing.net> References: <458925FB.21748.815521@nick.12testing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--642861281 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: guitar styling Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:28:19 -0800 To: nick@12testing.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--642861281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Zounds! Very nice stuff. Did you check out his harp guitar stuff? NO WAY he's gonna pound on that one. Thanks for the link. Time to practice! I don't know what to think about feeling inadequate. I don't know if it's the best way to relate to this stuff although I know you're probably joking. But I spent MANY years inhibited by Leo Kottke, Bob Dylan, Robert Johnson, John Lennon... guys like Fripp etc for their virtuosity (different kinds). It shut me down pretty much for a while. When I came out of it I realized there is only one Leo Kottke, one Nick Robinson, one Richard Sales, one Per, Krispin, Bill Walker etc and our job is to be virtuosos at being the best Nick Robinson, R Sales, Per etc on earth. It changes the mandate and is very liberating in that you don't waste too much time in comparison. There's that TIME factor again! Sorry! But I deeply believe this. Each of us has a gift - a particular and peculiar one that is ours exclusively. The trick is finding it and hammering it to perfection. Now, as relating to Per's wonderful email about saxes etc, I've often wondered about metal instruments. Do they age like wooden ones? On the Magnatone Valco list there is one fellow who says the new Nationals don't compare to the old. I've heard arguments for both sides. My old one howls and hollers, but my new resonator guitar is in a whole different class. I have a friend who's a collector of sax's and I might ask him what he thinks. He has one of Cannonball Adderly's! He's also a very bright man, a scientist (who did very well at one of the monster US corporations) so I suspect he might have some knowledge about the chemistry of it all. Should I bother doing this? Anyone curious? I love this thread and this group. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Dec-06, at 4:00 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > On 19 Dec 2006 at 20:30, RP Collier wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 > > I "found" this guy a few weeks ago- what's amazing is how many people > seem to have sussed it out and broadcast their own version of > "drifting"! > > The label seems to have a wealth of talent - for some more amazing > candyrat chops check > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGemE401r-M > > guaranteed to give most guitarists a feeling of inadequacy... > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > --Apple-Mail-1--642861281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Zounds! Very nice stuff. Did you check out his harp guitar stuff? NO WAY he's gonna pound on that one. Thanks for the link. Time to practice! I don't know what to think about feeling inadequate. I don't know if it's the best way to relate to this stuff although I know you're probably joking. But I spent MANY years inhibited by Leo Kottke, Bob Dylan, Robert Johnson, John Lennon... guys like Fripp etc for their virtuosity (different kinds). It shut me down pretty much for a while. When I came out of it I realized there is only one Leo Kottke, one Nick Robinson, one Richard Sales, one Per, Krispin, Bill Walker etc and our job is to be virtuosos at being the best Nick Robinson, R Sales, Per etc on earth. It changes the mandate and is very liberating in that you don't waste too much time in comparison. There's that TIME factor again! Sorry! But I deeply believe this. Each of us has a gift - a particular and peculiar one that is ours exclusively. The trick is finding it and hammering it to perfection. Now, as relating to Per's wonderful email about saxes etc, I've often wondered about metal instruments. Do they age like wooden ones? On the Magnatone Valco list there is one fellow who says the new Nationals don't compare to the old. I've heard arguments for both sides. My old one howls and hollers, but my new resonator guitar is in a whole different class. I have a friend who's a collector of sax's and I might ask him what he thinks. He has one of Cannonball Adderly's! He's also a very bright man, a scientist (who did very well at one of the monster US corporations) so I suspect he might have some knowledge about the chemistry of it all. Should I bother doing this? Anyone curious? I love this thread and this group. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Dec-06, at 4:00 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: On 19 Dec 2006 at 20:30, RP Collier wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 I "found" this guy a few weeks ago- what's amazing is how many people seem to have sussed it out and broadcast their own version of "drifting"! The label seems to have a wealth of talent - for some more amazing candyrat chops check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGemE401r-M guaranteed to give most guitarists a feeling of inadequacy... All the best, Nick Robinson --Apple-Mail-1--642861281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EFC73BF1A; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1166642350.45898cae4047d@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <1166642350.45898cae4047d@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:28:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers (Zvex midi probe possibility) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0kPEjB.A.zIH.27YiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) At 1:19 PM -0600 12/20/06, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >So, I heard back from Zack, and he's showed interest in the midi probe idea... >he can supply pure resistance or voltage (just a few volts range) from the >probe to an a/d converter, but, he doesn't do digital.. so, if there >is someone >out there interested in this part of this project let me know.. and we'll see >what we can make happen.. :) Could you combine a modified Probe with something like this from MIDI Solutions: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm ? --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76F0A3BF12; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1166643132.45898fbc19407@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:32:12 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers (Zvex midi probe possibility) References: <1166642350.45898cae4047d@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:32:33 +0000 (UTC) This would be a possible soultion, but with Zach on board with the idea, why not shoot for the real thing.. :) peace -cpr Quoting mech : > At 1:19 PM -0600 12/20/06, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >So, I heard back from Zack, and he's showed interest in the midi probe > idea... > >he can supply pure resistance or voltage (just a few volts range) from the > >probe to an a/d converter, but, he doesn't do digital.. so, if there > >is someone > >out there interested in this part of this project let me know.. and we'll > see > >what we can make happen.. :) > > Could you combine a modified Probe with something like this from MIDI > Solutions: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm ? > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:38:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B60D3BF26; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1166643132.45898fbc19407@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <1166642350.45898cae4047d@webmail.musetrap.com> <1166643132.45898fbc19407@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:38:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers (Zvex midi probe possibility) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:38:39 +0000 (UTC) At 1:32 PM -0600 12/20/06, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >This would be a possible soultion, but with Zach on board with the >idea, why not >shoot for the real thing.. :) Makes sense, but it's always nice to have a backup plan in case things go pear-shaped. ;) --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C99F3BF30; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:25:13 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: g To: "Goddard, Duncan" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ab01c724d3$8eb56360$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8A2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-PYyHD.A.PI.OKZiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:44:14 +0000 (UTC) > I sometimes tune up to mains-frequency, which at 50 Hz is quite close to bottom G on a bass, 49 Hz. > if I look at my watch at the same time, I can get the beat-frequency near enough to 1Hz to be very close to concert-pitch. OOOOH! You are GOOD! Unfortunately, here in the US, we're stuck with 60 Hz hum, annoyingly close to (but not quite in tune with) Bb. I have a theory that fluorescent light would look much more natural if a second bulb could be used , driven by a somehow-filtered AC/mains circuit to achieve the tritone of 60 Hz (is that 90 Hz?). The light generated at the tritone would have frequency characteristics to compliment the 60 Hz light and take away that wicked too-red emphasis that 60 Hz fluorescence has. By the way - I LOVED the Star Trek dialogue, Duncan. Now please stop writing such good comments! I am trying to get some (deadline-driven) work done before Christmas! ;-) Peace, dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:47:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38CB83BF40; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U8kHKDkqViIff1R8tRCDuVngaKveCHTlDkHN+hEs36hgUNrT8oLzasyXDz7iUHrKFtm9muyFgQ4l6TjCxxHSF9rzlN1ghqYy+xtl27XZekujg9m0lIP+PCC7piokxZzKwBE2RTbtBpJFHDsNu98s+W/F11+ya6elxxmXmSlIWXA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <458925FB.21748.815521@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: guitar styling Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:47:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:47:14 +0000 (UTC) On 20 dec 2006, at 20.28, Richard Sales wrote: > I've often wondered about metal instruments. Do they age like > wooden ones? No, they generally age by being thrown to the ground by goones at airports. ...Oh no, I can't keep that joke thing up... sorry ;-)) Need to type something serious.... like this; I read a book by the flutist James Galway where he says that he always stores his flutes pointing parallel to the north-south direction, simply because he has found that they generally sound better then. I really don't know how metal instruments age. I own some but they are so much older than me that I kind of have no chance to catch up with the perspective. With saxes many rich players say that they prefer new instruments because of the better mechanics (new saxes are horribly expensive). And as with mouth pieces age doesn't seem to count much because they are hand made anyway and if one piece came out nicely it will be a great mouth piece, no matter when it was manufactured. Just my personal view. I've been hanging on to one mouth piece for 25 years but that's simply because I have not been able to find something better - and I have really tried. My guess is that age is most prominent in wooden instrument (and of course Quality of age, as in having been played vs having been stuffed away for the same amount of time). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB5E3BEF6; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y8mHykIL/8mpTdSpDnqTt5RyEpP8K5RgzbjRmaK/OqId9ax+g+CBWYKGiLFiiWSLs9pgLAvF/Q1tmU9GGNJqETPRJt9XmiuDI2aUcuO8rSZf6B8ILi39CMWuVeyoAnAG3fWv/1PATz+V2B7KfXNgL6DysP+gZx+ITi2CrD1+bI0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <458925FB.21748.815521@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2199BB2B-5E86-40FF-B9AF-A15FBAA68DAC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: guitar styling Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:48:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:48:49 +0000 (UTC) On 20 dec 2006, at 20.28, Richard Sales wrote: > I have a friend who's a collector of sax's and I might ask him what > he thinks. He has one of Cannonball Adderly's! He's also a very > bright man, a scientist (who did very well at one of the monster US > corporations) so I suspect he might have some knowledge about the > chemistry of it all. Should I bother doing this? Anyone curious? Do it, do it, do it! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 19:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044B33BF24; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.57] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061220153528.2DC373BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #913 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:54:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 19:54:04.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A0DA0F0:01C72470] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps the nonresonating G problem is related to the unnatural intervals of tempered tuning,in which fifths in particular tend to be a bit flat _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 20:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D1B3BF25; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:19:46 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Alt controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, mech wrote: > Has anybody actually used the new(ish) Hot Hand motion-controlled pedals from > Source Audio yet? ( http://www.sourceaudio.net/ ) > > I wasn't more than casually interested in these, until I saw that they've > incorporated an Expression Pedal Output. I've got more than enough things > lying around that can take an EV-5 or CV Pedal Input. The initial effect > notwithstanding, this looks like it might be fun to control some of the other > whacked-out boxes I've got around. > > --m. For a bulky if visually stunning counterpart to these, the Moog Etherwave Pro theremin includes two separate 0-5CV out jack: one controlled by the volume antenna, one controlled by the pitch antenna. Works great. Retrofitting the same outputs onto a Moog / Bigbriar Etherwave standard or signature model appeared relatively simple, as I recall from looking at the "hotrodding" documentation Moog provides for the Etherwave standard models. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 20:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404673BEF6; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <200612200845.kBK8jwcn002435@mail.cruzio.com> <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--638451472 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:41:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--638451472 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I remember hearing the difference between digital and analogue being that digital can't really do a sine wave. I might be remembering wrong... but it makes sense that because of the zeros and ones everything is in steps. I've been using digital since Digidesign came out with Sound Tools - late eighties I think it was. I was an involuntary guinea pig for them. It was awful. But my take is that digital is a necessary evil. I'm so glad I've sold my old 2" machine. What a pain! So I try to do just as much analogue as possible and resort to digital only when really needed - when recording. So I use tube stuff when possible or if I'm using a non tube mic etc I'll run it into a tube pre to sweeten it up. It seems to be working very well. Our latest recordings sound VERY warm and wholesome and very old multi track like -with the beautiful 'air' of digital. And this is all with a humble Mackie D8B and Pro Tools Mix Plus. But very good mics and mic pre's... and a Lexicon 200 reverb. I have a whole rack of stuff I don't use anymore. I've concluded simple is good. I think it's getting close to Ebay time for me! Time to unload. If I were recording guitar etc direct I'd consider running it (at the end of the signal chain) through a tube DI box. Avalon makes a good one, and there's one called REDDI that looks like it could be good. And I think Universal Audio has one now and all of their stuff is good. There are folks who make analogue tape saturation plug ins for Pro Tools I think. Haven't heard or used them, though. You know the guy who created the Paris died recently. He also invented the incredible Marshall TIme Modulator... which I wish I could get my hands on. As far as amps etc, I just cringe when I put stuff in the path between the amp and guitar. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AND ONLY APPLIES TO MY STYLE OF PLAYING! I love hearing the stuff you all do (or is that "all o' Y'all"?). And I wore my old Digitech Twin Tube out in the old days. It's great for the big crunch. Before that the Ibanez UE400 - same as used by Dr No of... damn! I forget their name... the punk reggae band of the 80's - oh yeah! Bad Brains. Still have it. Incredible sustain! But nowadays I have my old Echoplex going (inspired by you guys) and my wah pedal and, OF COURSE, the looper. I strongly feel that a good amp and guitar is the name of the game and, when it all matches up well it just doesn't need a lot of stuff to make it sound incredible. I might take the plunge into a Univibe and maybe a Durham Sex Drive sometime soon. But my legs are wobbling thinking about more tentacles on the octopus. I actually haven't spent much time with modelers so I can't really say but, for me, it would be like putting a Jimmy Durante (Marilyn Manson?) mask on Marilyn Monroe. Maybe I'm showing my age with these analogies! But I'm so nutty about this stuff I fret from day to day about the changing of humidities, it's impact on the sound... aging of brand new batteries etc. As far as the dead G string on your guitar... I haven't done some of the wonderful suggestions others have offered, but sometimes just changing strings, kind of strings or string gauges has helped me. With my little Phillips it helped the intonation! Also, you might consider taking your guitar to a very good tech. It could be a funky fret in the path of your string. I've had guitar techs do absolute miracles on mine where they went from dog to divine overnight. peace richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Dec-06, at 11:11 AM, mech wrote: > At 11:15 PM -0500 12/20/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >> >> I can't explain it as well as an engineer, but my take is that analog >> is infinite in detail and forgiving at its limits; digital is finite >> in detail and unforgiving at its limits. Analog = good mojo, digital >> = bad mojo. > > Ah, but then we have the example of the Ensoniq/E-mu Paris HD > recording system -- a digital system which not only allowed you to > drive the recording needles "into the red" but actively encouraged you > to. They'd figured out a digital algorithm that realistically > emulated the same sort of soft clipping or tape saturation you find in > an analog system. > > Of course, it seems they're about the only ones to have done that, but > it shows it can be done. > >> It takes strong magic to harness the power of digital mojo. > > Werd! Or else incorporate enough complexity and variables into the > system that it develops a mind of its own, and then simply amuse > yourself as you watch it run amok. ;) > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" > --Apple-Mail-2--638451472 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I remember hearing the difference between digital and analogue being that digital can't really do a sine wave. I might be remembering wrong... but it makes sense that because of the zeros and ones everything is in steps. I've been using digital since Digidesign came out with Sound Tools - late eighties I think it was. I was an involuntary guinea pig for them. It was awful. But my take is that digital is a necessary evil. I'm so glad I've sold my old 2" machine. What a pain! So I try to do just as much analogue as possible and resort to digital only when really needed - when recording. So I use tube stuff when possible or if I'm using a non tube mic etc I'll run it into a tube pre to sweeten it up. It seems to be working very well. Our latest recordings sound VERY warm and wholesome and very old multi track like -with the beautiful 'air' of digital. And this is all with a humble Mackie D8B and Pro Tools Mix Plus. But very good mics and mic pre's... and a Lexicon 200 reverb. I have a whole rack of stuff I don't use anymore. I've concluded simple is good. I think it's getting close to Ebay time for me! Time to unload. If I were recording guitar etc direct I'd consider running it (at the end of the signal chain) through a tube DI box. Avalon makes a good one, and there's one called REDDI that looks like it could be good. And I think Universal Audio has one now and all of their stuff is good. There are folks who make analogue tape saturation plug ins for Pro Tools I think. Haven't heard or used them, though. You know the guy who created the Paris died recently. He also invented the incredible Marshall TIme Modulator... which I wish I could get my hands on. As far as amps etc, I just cringe when I put stuff in the path between the amp and guitar. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AND ONLY APPLIES TO MY STYLE OF PLAYING! I love hearing the stuff you all do (or is that "all o' Y'all"?). And I wore my old Digitech Twin Tube out in the old days. It's great for the big crunch. Before that the Ibanez UE400 - same as used by Dr No of... damn! I forget their name... the punk reggae band of the 80's - oh yeah! Bad Brains. Still have it. Incredible sustain! But nowadays I have my old Echoplex going (inspired by you guys) and my wah pedal and, OF COURSE, the looper. I strongly feel that a good amp and guitar is the name of the game and, when it all matches up well it just doesn't need a lot of stuff to make it sound incredible. I might take the plunge into a Univibe and maybe a Durham Sex Drive sometime soon. But my legs are wobbling thinking about more tentacles on the octopus. I actually haven't spent much time with modelers so I can't really say but, for me, it would be like putting a Jimmy Durante (Marilyn Manson?) mask on Marilyn Monroe. Maybe I'm showing my age with these analogies! But I'm so nutty about this stuff I fret from day to day about the changing of humidities, it's impact on the sound... aging of brand new batteries etc. As far as the dead G string on your guitar... I haven't done some of the wonderful suggestions others have offered, but sometimes just changing strings, kind of strings or string gauges has helped me. With my little Phillips it helped the intonation! Also, you might consider taking your guitar to a very good tech. It could be a funky fret in the path of your string. I've had guitar techs do absolute miracles on mine where they went from dog to divine overnight. peace Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Dec-06, at 11:11 AM, mech wrote: At 11:15 PM -0500 12/20/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: I can't explain it as well as an engineer, but my take is that analog is infinite in detail and forgiving at its limits; digital is finite in detail and unforgiving at its limits. Analog = good mojo, digital = bad mojo. Ah, but then we have the example of the Ensoniq/E-mu Paris HD recording system -- a digital system which not only allowed you to drive the recording needles "into the red" but actively encouraged you to. They'd figured out a digital algorithm that realistically emulated the same sort of soft clipping or tape saturation you find in an analog system. Of course, it seems they're about the only ones to have done that, but it shows it can be done. It takes strong magic to harness the power of digital mojo. Werd! Or else incorporate enough complexity and variables into the system that it develops a mind of its own, and then simply amuse yourself as you watch it run amok. ;) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" --Apple-Mail-2--638451472-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 21:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5613BF0C; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UnLQMdpACePjCKdSaM5ckSmG9EAAQavUlVCeHYWV1tQptEymSRXEZKQEFGryJdHf+sz5jOKqGCKb/oaYLfheA5k4VBjdu4M4Rf9b7XjceuWtTNBwU7I3yQFmZ8ckUO4oQ+oUF3yjL7nGTV188gtJQ+xfnpMGJLRONRJY6HdCuT8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:06:41 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:06:48 +0000 (UTC) On 12/20/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > I modified my EH 16 to have an Analog dry path. No latency or aliasing > issues at all! The original EH16? Or the reissue? Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 21:47:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82BF03BED9; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:47:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:47:52 +0000 (UTC) At 3:19 PM -0500 12/20/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >For a bulky if visually stunning counterpart to these, the Moog >Etherwave Pro theremin includes two separate 0-5CV out jack: one >controlled by the volume antenna, one controlled by the pitch >antenna. Works great. Hmmmmm, it didn't occur to me that you could interface one of those to a couple of external devices. Interesting; now you've got me thinking.... Steve, is that the same theremin in the studio pix you posted over on the Stickwire list? If so, I've got to agree that it is one stunningly beautiful(!) piece of kit. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 21:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C6453BEE1; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alt controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20061220173315.45374.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166636297.4589750917d74@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:55:41 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, mech wrote: > At 3:19 PM -0500 12/20/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> For a bulky if visually stunning counterpart to these, the Moog Etherwave >> Pro theremin includes two separate 0-5CV out jack: one controlled by the >> volume antenna, one controlled by the pitch antenna. Works great. > > Hmmmmm, it didn't occur to me that you could interface one of those to a > couple of external devices. Interesting; now you've got me thinking.... > > Steve, is that the same theremin in the studio pix you posted over on the > Stickwire list? If so, I've got to agree that it is one stunningly > beautiful(!) piece of kit. Yes, it is, and yes, it is. It's huge, given I can replace it with a pair of CV expression pedals, but the field effect is useful. I can use it as a dual CV output either like playing a theremin normally, or if I am playing another instrument and don't have hands free, or need fast response, I can lean into the field as needed. Either way, the big(ger than turning a knob, at least) physical movement can provide a visual cue to the audience that can help accentuate the tone shift, especially if I'm leaning/moving into the field which can take a while and be relatively subtle. Using a theremin as a CV control in place of an expression pedal is by no means in my experience always a good idea. But it is an option, and sometimes it's a workable one in my experience. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://ww.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 22:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E32B3BEC1; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200612200845.kBK8jwcn002435@mail.cruzio.com> <002501c724b7$ae70ed80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:14:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Stepping on silence, mojo and vintage gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:14:57 +0000 (UTC) At 12:41 PM -0800 12/20/06, Richard Sales wrote: > >I've been using digital since Digidesign came out with Sound Tools - >late eighties I think it was. I was an involuntary guinea pig for >them. It was awful. Oh no! They got you too? We got sold on the original Sound Tools for the Atari's in our studio, as well. It worked okay for two-track mixdown and digital editing for about a year. At that point, however, Digidesign was moving more heavily toward Macs, thanks mostly to having Opcode in the same building. They'd just released the Deck add-on (which merely introduced 4-track capability) so we called one of their Product Specialists to see if there were any future plans at all for an Atari port. However, it became apparent during the course of the call that we knew more about the technical music market than the Digidesign guys did. After a few moments into the conversation, we were told, verbatim, "oh why don't you just sell that piece of sh*t and buy a REAL computer" (referring, of course, to a Macintosh). Now, at that time, Apple's still didn't even have cross-compatibility between MIDI interfaces. This meant that if you wanted to use Vision as your sequencer you had to buy Opcode's hardware, if you wanted to use Performer you had to buy MOTU's hardware, etc., etc. Even PC's had it better at the hardware level, with everyone pretty much capitulating to Roland's MPU standard. Of course, Atari's had MIDI integrated right into the computer itself. So, to have this jerk telling us that we should dump a perfectly functional platform in favor of something half-baked but more marketable.... Well, we sold that system later the same week. Since then, I've vowed never to own another piece of Digidesign product, and won't even work with it if I've got any say in the studio. F*ck 'em; I hope they strangle. --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 22:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA37C3BEEA; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Except for collectables, I contend that most instruments are much cheaper today than they were in the past. To prove this, I use "Five Ways to Compute the Relative Value of a U.S. Dollar Amount, 1790 - 2005" at: http://www.mswth.com/uscompare/ Depending on how you calculate the relative value, $100 from: 1965 is worth $500-1700 1975 is worth $300-760 1985 is worth $160-300 1995 is worth $130-170 today. Due to market inefficiencies, some items were undervalued when they first came out. Some were overvalued. I would also contend that the overall quality and consistency of modern instruments is much higher that it was back in the 1960s due to improved manufacturing methods, particularly CNC. So that Fender Precision bass you picked up in 1965 for $300 should be worth $1500-5100 today, if you don't take account of loss of value due to wear or increase in value due to collectability. Cheers, Kevin http://www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 22:43:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5EB3BEDE; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:01:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: electro harmonix 2880 w/footpedal **thoughts** Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b16e1ac83c3c614e049ff747ec079acc379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <_HcQjB.A.orH.RybiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:43:30 +0000 (UTC) The original has an all analog direct path, and analog feedback routing. I modified my re-issue. >On 12/20/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>I modified my EH 16 to have an Analog dry path. No latency or aliasing >>issues at all! > >The original EH16? Or the reissue? > >Doug > >http://www.analognotes.com >http://www.stoogepanels.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 23:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D5D3BEDA; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rmo1GkqjsRIWZxvc+YO55frLDCCzbKaIkWil/TWXd2uYVUZuo+hGZKbSsW2/5l67z6tptBFIyJ4qU/797nhPkZf8c+MQR+JVuNK45sypy5G6SHiuISU8AJzYcveFWFRegBINerxnj137UkyeGiqzaa14afXhxjga14GWOGwF72A= Message-ID: <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:12:31 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc In-Reply-To: <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: <2Yg2q.A.d3.jNciFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:12:36 +0000 (UTC) That's a really nice summary Kevin. The cost of guitars has really declined. I teach math in high school, and one of the "word problems" in our textbook lists the cost of a guitar as $750 and a bass as $900. The book was published in the 80's, and usually the dollar figures are _way_ too low by current standards, so this word problem really stands out as an anomaly. I always attributed it to lower labor costs in the far east, but how much labor does it take to make a solid body guitar? Weren't they designed to be easy to mass produce? Thanks to an earlier discussion, I got my current favorite guitar from Rondomusic.net for $160. It's a chinese made telecaster copy with a bigsby and a bridge humbucker. So what is that, like $30 in 1975 dollars? On 12/20/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Except for collectables, I contend that most instruments are much cheaper > today than they were in the past. > > To prove this, I use "Five Ways to Compute the Relative Value of a U.S. Dollar > Amount, 1790 - 2005" at: > http://www.mswth.com/uscompare/ > > Depending on how you calculate the relative value, > $100 from: > 1965 is worth $500-1700 > 1975 is worth $300-760 > 1985 is worth $160-300 > 1995 is worth $130-170 > today. > > Due to market inefficiencies, some items were undervalued when they first came > out. Some were overvalued. I would also contend that the overall quality and > consistency of modern instruments is much higher that it was back in the 1960s > due to improved manufacturing methods, particularly CNC. > > So that Fender Precision bass you picked up in 1965 for $300 should be worth > $1500-5100 today, if you don't take account of loss of value due to wear or > increase in value due to collectability. > > Cheers, > Kevin > http://www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 23:53:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7113BEDD; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13e043e60612201553q46baaec9h706a70ec6c1d2663@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:53:44 -0500 From: "Ethan Winn" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using a mic w/stomp box loopers In-Reply-To: <13e043e60612200924qeb32a2aoa7af118fc7781ff3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34519_4890490.1166658824509" References: <13e043e60612200924qeb32a2aoa7af118fc7781ff3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:53:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34519_4890490.1166658824509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All, I'm brand new to the list and have a question: what's the best/cheapest way to use a microphone with a stomp-box type looper (Line6 DL4)? Specifically, what's the best way that doesn't require power cords (battery powered, etc.)? Thanks. -- -- ethan @destratify.com ------=_Part_34519_4890490.1166658824509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All,

I'm brand new to the list and have a question: what's the
best/cheapest way to use a microphone with a stomp-box type looper
(Line6 DL4)?  Specifically, what's the best way that doesn't require
power cords (battery powered, etc.)?

Thanks.

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------=_Part_34519_4890490.1166658824509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 00:01:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63C03BEE8; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061221000143.869.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zkyBNtrnaMaMY2MFDLwxaMfPwY1sjB8VDpVnEyi2UIH5OsNwNbDLJZfIUz4P7UcoZSXPfzV8SUqFSS6tBiRvPblk7ZbdwVgqN7M3cAeyBKn/n5cMDAAQOzDXLnaasS7qHXosJs7NWO2Glg7VaUhaugybTcwV47E8hXIQHQJyA1o=; X-YMail-OSG: e3Pm6doVM1nwJUrcYkHWy75GDEHAzZpTZ9Khp2PrYqkBCJQFebQxr4vSz6UNi1eJ5nupnnfaVSYTBXn7dn0yMNvYEGRToUUxRqzjvp4ja1vNZDD9Dl8asazBWtQavNeCe6k6Oufk8rI0vnE- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4HthD.A.ZgC.o7ciFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:01:44 +0000 (UTC) --- Art Simon wrote: > Thanks to an earlier discussion, I got my current > favorite guitar from > Rondomusic.net for $160. It's a chinese made > telecaster copy with a > bigsby and a bridge humbucker. So what is that, like > $30 in 1975 > dollars? > Ah Rondo music! My first music store job! Did you get that guitar in the mid 80s? Perhaps I sold it to you. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 00:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2067E3BEE2; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AI6rVjCT3H+K70tqTho9w0oaOBYp5KegT4vtyLOgmYExip+EF3ak5rztCtjSfLb+vbHbdmLXDkeHS/L2uGt6nhMbHfF3InOblnuV8kc6EDqfFssdf7wOMx/KDm2kVWxuOws2Oo6qwopVNr4i/sfrM9dMKo6m9YtYycbYM92+QV8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061221000143.869.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061221000143.869.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:20:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:20:43 +0000 (UTC) > --- Art Simon wrote: > >> It's a chinese made >> telecaster copy with a >> bigsby and a bridge humbucker. I too found a chinese telecaster copy that is very good. When making my decision in the store this one sounded better than the new ones from Fender, and it was way cheaper! It's a JD, Jack and Denny Brothers. They specialize in buying loads of high quality spare parts and send these with containers to China for mounting. So a JD can be good or bad, it all depends on which parts happen to end up in the same instrument. I was lucky that I found mine before it was sold. No bigsby or humbucker though, that wouldn't fit in with the particular Tele sound I have a need for. For twanging I use a strat. I've been tempted to check out a humbucker equipped tele for a jazz sound though, Tal Farlow had a nice sound IMHO with that combo. But on the other hand, If once played for some years with an ibanez George Benson and I think that model still does top my list for a jazz box - will buy one again when I get rich ;-)) And put a Bigsby on it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 00:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0650A3BEDC; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <24394.65.168.96.82.1166661427.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:37:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Vintage Gear, E-bait etc From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:37:13 +0000 (UTC) > That's a really nice summary Kevin. Thank you, Art. > Thanks to an earlier discussion, I got my current favorite guitar from > Rondomusic.net for $160. It's a chinese made telecaster copy with a > bigsby and a bridge humbucker. So what is that, like $30 in 1975 > dollars? In that range, yes. You don't want to think too much about the daily wage of the people who built it. Present company excepted, I wish some people would do some basic fact-checking before they rant. Re a previous thread Al Gore was talking about science which is a way of objectively determining reality, not leftism. Scientists brought us integrated circuits. Leftists brought us the weekend. Simple fact-checking. But you're a teacher, you understand this. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 01:53:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1ABC3BED6; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004901c724a2$c37d0200$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> <24394.65.168.96.82.1166661427.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:53:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <3oT3_.A.YdG.IkeiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 01:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Following loosely along with the comments about earlier instruments purchased at 60's/70's/et al prices, I remember two pieces of gear I fell in love with in the display window of Lomakin's Music in Pittsburgh, PA: a Vox guitar-organ and an original Maestro Echoplex. I ended up getting a bogus echoplex (don't remember the brand) but it worked okay for its day. I think my nephew still has it (along with my first guitar, a Harmony electric). I used to power the ax with a Bogen Challenger power amp through a speaker that was either blown or defective but made a distorted sound similar to Eric Braun's from the Iron Butterfly. The Kahuna From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 04:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 622FF3BED9; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048701c724b7$159ffc90$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <25911407.1165794771974.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <015b01c71cdc$52333920$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:18:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Stanasour....and you thought he had gone extinct....here's the earth shaking, velociraptor squashing second coming... http://www.box.net/public/static/6ltibrup2o.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur > Your wish is my command, Stan. Here is your first take: > > http://www.box.net/public/static/5fkztaemol.mp3 > > I still think you should describe your system. I recall two giant 5-foot > tall amps....by Sun? Some really old looking Electro-Harmonix guitar > synth, but three times as big as the ones you buy now...and did you have a > bomb simulator on the floor? I can't recall. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s - The Amazing Stanosaur > > >> Hi Kris-WOW! what hyperbole-yur hired! >> i art here... >> of course you can post it. i only request that the first piece be used. >> the second 'attempt' really didnt work due to extenuating circumstances >> :-) >> as RW knows i have never liked my stuff being recorded(long story). >> but i like what i'm humbly trying to do now. >> i know its very late in life for one to find their VOICE-aint life a >> bitch. >> s >> >>>Stanosaur, Stanosaur...where art thou Stanosaur? I'd like to publicly >>>ask Stan's permission to post his MP3 clip "drone" to the Y2K6 website, >>>just because I think LD needs to hear a virtual version of the sheer >>>magnitude and colossal power that his system heaped upon the audience. It >>>was like watching a 1950's B-rated horror/sci-fi flick...people standing >>>in awe with mouths gaping open...children shrieking with terror, >>>scientists frantically fiddling with the instruments to measure this >>>unusual phenomenon, fog gushing into every crevice of safety, etc, >>>etc....(yes, there really was fog) :) >>>Stan, can you elaborate on your system? Please. >>>K- >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 04:23:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F6793BEE2; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bpGI7QdNSjHpYIh9EyPA4AHC7ZqFG0beKEjj2YJQCLcsxAReWKpuhcV2QjOk/cHOyjfZCYxAP12gw3CUuMB+HBHhSOdBiJgT3PeZV9JRUJnZ/KU315hpMt6NIRf5MurgckvS8zlFK2tzMZp1Dnci0X2P8LMRuv0QEnCG6o3aEKU=; X-YMail-OSG: _.9Y52QVM1lbHkqNgffbdTEqW9tNVKs9Q3TK5KxqB8GpuAb6sAxiXMqZ3XHRncLcb7tNPkSny6fAPKX9K9l9BnujmWLyIE0cc8OsLPnzMvmTvqJ.HIhKUk3Qe9N45moDBkohCf6bMdKFH20- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061221002043.968383BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <336490.41075.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) > here in the US, we're stuck with 60 Hz > hum, annoyingly close to (but not quite in tune with) Bb. Actually, it's 51 cents sharp of Bb, 49 cents flat of B. Close enough that I used to use 60 cycle wall current hum to tune a second piano in a quarter-tone relationship to a normal piano tuned to A=440. > I have a theory > that fluorescent light would look much more natural if a second bulb could > be used , driven by a somehow-filtered AC/mains circuit to achieve the > tritone of 60 Hz (is that 90 Hz?). The light generated at the tritone would > have frequency characteristics to compliment the 60 Hz light and take away > that wicked too-red emphasis that 60 Hz fluorescence has. 90 Hz to 60 Hz is the ratio 3/2, otherwise known as a perfect fifth. 84 Hz would get you much closer to a tritone. Though I don't understand what you are referring to well enough to know if it would alter the "too-red emphasis" or not. In my understanding, fluorescent light is harsh because it's made up of a pulse wave turning the light on and off rapidly. Incadescent light is more akin to analog waveforms like triangle waves. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 04:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4941D3BEDF; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <567639.31156.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <567639.31156.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--610561559 Message-Id: <8458377C-E121-40F6-BA2F-7BD5E4FE9F19@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: drumset under 300.00 dlls (was Re: Looper's Christmas list) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:26:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=66.248.89.121 X-External-IP: 66.248.89.121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:26:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--610561559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Luis, I picked up a used drum set at a local music store for around $350. It's nothing fancy, but it records well. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:35 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > ok so this is not a loop pedal but a drumset my 8 yr > old son has been asking for(the loopers i already have > so he practices) > so to all you drumers what drumset would you buy under > 300.00 dlls.that sounds like a million? > China is bringing to many options but i dont want to > be buying a new set every year! > Luis > > > --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> >>> I'm afraid the correct english would be "y'all's >> Christmas lists". :) >> >> Actually, since it's addressed to more than one >> person, it should be >> "all y'all's Christmas lists". >> >> "y'all" is the formal second person singular -- the >> equivalent of >> using "vous" to address an individual instead of >> "tu". >> >> "all y'all" is the second person plural. >> >> Or so I'm told. >> >> Mark >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --Apple-Mail-1--610561559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Luis,

I picked up a used drum set = at a local music store for around $350.=A0 It's nothing fancy, but it = records well.

Matt

---

King Never

http://www.kingnever.com

=

On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:35 PM, L.A. Angulo = wrote:

ok so this is not a loop pedal = but a drumset my 8 yr
old son has been asking = for(the loopers i already have
so he = practices)
so to all you drumers what = drumset would you buy under
300.00 = dlls.that sounds like a million?
China is = bringing to many options but i dont want to
be = buying a new set every year!


--- Mark = Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> = wrote:

=
On Dec 15, 2006, at 2:53 = PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

I'm = afraid the correct english would be "y'all's
Christmas lists". :)

Actually, = since it's addressed to more than one
person, = it should be =A0
"all y'all's Christmas lists".

"y'all" = is the formal second person singular -- the
=A0
using "vous" to address an individual instead = of
"tu".

"all y'all" is the second person = plural.

Or so I'm told.

Mark





Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of = spam?=A0 Yahoo! Mail has = the best spam protection around=A0



= --Apple-Mail-1--610561559-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 05:08:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FAE3BED9; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04aa01c724bd$ff8e1930$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <19347473.1166331966015.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:08:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:08:08 +0000 (UTC) fyi.....I just bought the Fender FM64 DSP combo amp for a screamin' deal on Zzounds - $300 and free shopping (one left in stock as their xmas special). I'll let all you amp heads know how this thing pans out.... :) / K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with Mr. > Hartung here. > The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the point > of being moot in many cases. > As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is > absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well crafted > and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I can't > imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being able to > justify the price tag. > > I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just > fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a > Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a Gibson > Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I play. > Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, why? I know > that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the idea of > doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my case > Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting kicked > the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All of > this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most of > John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their > nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really > notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for other > musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. > > Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an > amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. > > I could be well wrong here........... > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Krispen Hartung >>Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >> >>From: "Zoe Keating" >> >>>I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>>impressed....but that was with a cello. >> >>Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice sounding....though >>they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really nice >>amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I can >>see >>how they would sound great for cello. >> >>It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to >>think >>boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've owned >>a >>few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that a >>$200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" really >>isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my >>personal >>experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I like >>out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and my >>playing technique. >> >>I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and >>amps. >>Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable >>gear >>that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has some >>hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just amazing, >>and >>are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys >>who >>have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >>model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >>overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for a >>fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar >>like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. >> >>I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 >>($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps >>popping >>up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of >>old >>guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins and >>JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the >>latest >>greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >>technology. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>>> etc? >>>> >>>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool over, >>>> check >>>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 15:03:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A693BEE8; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iVGKyGuAzFOaw/JOYc0TI2YULcFTKdsBZ45n+xfHZOSsKuMfcDRMvJSKEsU4J6ytM1TX9eeM9cgBj6h6Zyl+0N56n7A1Af0x7xtVRIUFumo+AUI6DHqWLZT8RSf3N+VOaHbvCuabJtdiK3f6wazJUBjbSZcKRSixUnVGpbNRqG8=; X-YMail-OSG: TmdT1BkVM1lR1ioa_0CRLGgtIs9n7zWVC6GHi6_W1_CXohx7uzqTH9iAAiXsQ.w2fLRyDEOaS_kP4QRl2Isg2UxrP6r6ORwhiU7YyFtUuYhoMonUiw75TfH3f3p091ffqNxvasP_3FjEZ3M- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alt controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:03:47 +0000 (UTC) That sounds super cool. After I do a show the comments I get about the performance often are about the Alesis AirFX and AirSynth. Your theramin might be bulky, but I think people love to see it for the performance aspect of it. Is there anything like a therimin out there that sends MIDI instead of CV? Mark --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Using a theremin as a CV control in place of an > expression pedal is by no > means in my experience always a good idea. But it is > an option, and > sometimes it's a workable one in my experience. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://ww.subscapeannex.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 15:28:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861CA3BEF5; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alt controllers In-Reply-To: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <-4ZYwB.A.fHD.FgqiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:28:05 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > That sounds super cool. After I do a show the > comments I get about the performance often are about > the Alesis AirFX and AirSynth. Your theramin might be > bulky, but I think people love to see it for the > performance aspect of it. > > Is there anything like a therimin out there that sends > MIDI instead of CV? Big Briar (now Moog Music) used to sell the now-discontinued Ethervox and Series 91 theremins, which were their high-end models. I believe they all had a pitch to MIDI conversion module included, and that module was made by a third party - which I do not remember the name of the maker at this moment. I'm sure someone else on this list knows of a theremin-like spatial field effect controller with MIDI output that doesn't involve waiting two years on eBay for someone to sell an Ethervox theremin :), but that's the one I remember offhand. Maybe the Roland D-Beams? best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 16:35:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5B73BEE6; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:35:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:35:12 +0000 (UTC) At 10:29 AM -0500 12/21/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >I'm sure someone else on this list knows of a theremin-like spatial >field effect controller with MIDI output that doesn't involve >waiting two years on eBay for someone to sell an Ethervox theremin >:), but that's the one I remember offhand. Maybe the Roland D-Beams? Heh! You mean people don't enjoy spending every waking hour on Ebay? :P I'm not certain about the D-Beams, but you can get by with the Alesis Photon X25 MIDI Keyboard. It's got the same AXYZ controller on it as the AirFx/SynthFX modules, but it controls MIDI CC instead. One word of warning though: the rest of the controller is pretty much a POS, and the only reason to get one is because of the AXYZ dome (and even that isn't guaranteed reliable, so you prolly won't want to chance it going out on you while on stage). If you want to use theremin-like motions to control MIDI, however, that one function is worth the price of the kit alone. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 16:41:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF8C73BED9; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <458AC6C0.1050208@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:39:12 -0600 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alt controllers References: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: <36FoiD.A.9rG.SlriFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:41:54 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: >Is there anything like a therimin out there that sends >MIDI instead of CV? > > > There was. Moog used to make a Theremin called the Ethervox that had a MIDI output. I got to see the prototype at the 1997 Portland Theremin Festival. While it is a marvelous instrument, it is not a simple "plug and play" device that will work with all MIDI receiving units. It does not send discrete notes: everything is sent as pitch bend, so it depends on how the receiving unit responds to pitch bend. And a Theremin is never going to be the best trigger for percussive sounds. (-8 Alas, the Ethervox was very expensive, and a lot of the people who purchased it never used the MIDI portion. As at the time it was the best Theremin available. It's been discontinued in place of the MIDI-less Etherwave Pro. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 17:26:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA12B3BEE7; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEBSikXUSnIvnmdsb2JhbACNfgECBw4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061221171516.01a4aaa8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:19:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alt controllers-Theremins In-Reply-To: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <619481.23710.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58B64BB9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:26:27 +0000 (UTC) At 15:03 21/12/2006, you wrote: >Is there anything like a therimin out there that sends >MIDI instead of CV? > >Mark http://www.jaycar.com/ and search for theremin ( note sp ) (can't give a direct link, their website is too clever) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 17:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3283BEDD; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3686.69.59.206.219.1166723223.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <004901c724a2$c37d0200$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> <24394.65.168.96.82.1166661427.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <004901c724a2$c37d0200$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:47:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) For me, the first piece of gear I got truly obsessed with was the Minimoog. In 6th grade, our band director, who played keys in a local rock band and was the coolest guy in eastern Oregon (yeah, I know, not much competition) brought his in to demonstrate to the class. I was hooked. A few years later, the local music store had a new one in stock for a long time. The store was a few blocks from the Jr. High, and I spent a lot of lunches playing with it. I think they wanted $2000 for it, which was an unbelievably unattainable sum for me at the time. I eventually got a Moog Satellite in High School, and a bit later, an ARP Axxe. Still have the Axxe, though it needs a bunch of work. A few years ago, after a particularly grueling but lucrative gig, I rewarded myself with a Minimoog. It really is one of the most playable synths ever. Whenever anyone comes into the studio, it's inevitable the instrument they are first drawn to. > Following loosely along with the comments about earlier instruments > purchased at 60's/70's/et al prices, I remember two pieces of gear I fell > in > love with in the display window of Lomakin's Music in Pittsburgh, PA: a > Vox > guitar-organ and an original Maestro Echoplex. I ended up getting a bogus > echoplex (don't remember the brand) but it worked okay for its day. I > think > my nephew still has it (along with my first guitar, a Harmony electric). I > used to power the ax with a Bogen Challenger power amp through a speaker > that was either blown or defective but made a distorted sound similar to > Eric Braun's from the Iron Butterfly. > > The Kahuna > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 19:35:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CE753BEEC; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PeymCcX2mru4OzgkNjxahBDwrWc8B0u8TxvC7tBO1QLFO7EaM/PXQ3wsfDHPY5y5LrObnkb7waiAm7GW3pbkVIOzAfMIClwutTmqQp90T9eFJPN7bFKnfByYu/P2p+X4Kgf1VTMHu6MjFDR8wiJ8T2agdIfqcSQZGEmm8z7xeDE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:35:13 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over In-Reply-To: <3686.69.59.206.219.1166723223.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0210fe06f0c1552868a9799411f160e4@glasswing.com> <20061219185823.E05A03BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <31820.65.168.96.82.1166653218.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <588ce11d0612201512o3417e43at6ebd015b7a6dde03@mail.gmail.com> <24394.65.168.96.82.1166661427.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <004901c724a2$c37d0200$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> <3686.69.59.206.219.1166723223.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:35:18 +0000 (UTC) >On 12/21/06, improv@peak.org wrote: > For me, the first piece of gear I got truly obsessed with was the > Minimoog. In 6th grade, our band director, who played keys in a local rock > band and was the coolest guy in eastern Oregon (yeah, I know, not much I think the first gear I went ga-ga over was an ARP Avatar guitar synth. I've been accused of being a synth player in a guitarists body, so.... I remember when the Avatar came out and I spent hours in the music store playing with it. The guys there were pretty cool about letting a 15 year old play with equipment that I obviously wasn't going to buy. About 12 years later I bought a used one and discovered why they didn't do so well in the guitar synth market. They didn't track for crap. But it did make fun noises. I wound up selling it to a friend who slaved it to his Axxe. -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 20:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD683BEE4; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061221200817.91919.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uYUmBU6U2xQ8yjRchXQI51wb7K0eCPyvlpLSk1iZqur/YS26mhTQEGNFPq8IRSLJ82BSu8u/xHQ9MGDt6arpQ4hgc7PP8h27q9MTtq/u1GMPHQKJqku0BCF211+lyXpXRgD6SZFonpF5SWnnL3FveZ7M4vGmjbviIk5gt3SOors=; X-YMail-OSG: fX0fJi0VM1kxxOos0KFZDQvZ8RSaeCUkPjBEiE3X6ip1P8JuzZyGOkovJjcMZa1c6.JVRPbaQwfoJIqjxgm4Xyp9J2kgtFVqtygd59ijha1EqPgYkv5ETQzdkh_k1Fh6lKuA6clJA4_Q8V0- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:08:17 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Alt controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-YlCsC.A.2E.0muiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:08:20 +0000 (UTC) --- mech wrote: > I'm not certain about the D-Beams, but you can get > by with the Alesis > Photon X25 MIDI Keyboard. It's got the same AXYZ > controller on it as > the AirFx/SynthFX modules, but it controls MIDI CC > instead. Yeah, I heard so many bad things about the Photon I just forgot about it even though it seems pretty cool. Also it's another keyboard I have no real use for... but I do have rack arms on my keyboard stand that are empty... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 20:32:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12F93BEE9; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061221200817.91919.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061221200817.91919.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:32:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) At 12:08 PM -0800 12/21/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >--- mech wrote: > > Alesis Photon X25 MIDI Keyboard. > >Yeah, I heard so many bad things about the Photon I >just forgot about it even though it seems pretty cool. > Also it's another keyboard I have no real use for... >but I do have rack arms on my keyboard stand that are empty... Oh, I hear ya. Mine has aggravated me so much, I even left one of the nastygram reviews over on Harmony Central about it. Although this conversation has started me thinking about whether there's any way to chainsaw this puppy into a form factor closer to the AirFX. Heck, I wonder if I could find a broken AirFX and transfer the guts from the AXYZ controller into that instead.... --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 20:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0663BEF5; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Boss RC-50 update is available Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:52:38 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c72541$f35c6890$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1933/RC50_v101.zip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 20:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA773BEEA; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061221205554.14325.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DvCM1MSdiAq3W20PJkUsnfsfWupqzsqjc4HZqr+ywt4T65hOoQ9AZUXCSCNWPaoOWOy9F8TkHZX5mCGLSbdPpJeSk3gTKBIKIkviKMzxIiTmvI1xT0pP3cY7IpESMpKi0pHg4HN+B5Spd3ffZHasUxDMqtJ8qKim3I2qIVT3Qoo=; X-YMail-OSG: 6hj_Y5oVM1m4eXEFsRK_uK8wrVaDiWxEdHMYRQmFQbvJcPOVUzjlfWeyjZhM4HJcODVo_laWrZ6hnm4xfmxUrogEJZibG6cz2rRMymHM71ansYDxzt89RAD9qgrwknYFLJO7KBUADMJn4Ks- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <336490.41075.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:55:56 +0000 (UTC) > > I have a theory > > that fluorescent light would look much more > natural if a second bulb could > > be used , driven by a somehow-filtered AC/mains > circuit to achieve the > > tritone of 60 Hz (is that 90 Hz?). The light > generated at the tritone would > > have frequency characteristics to compliment the > 60 Hz light and take away > > that wicked too-red emphasis that 60 Hz > fluorescence has. Nah, I don't think this is true. Floresents come in a bunch of different light temps. We have daylight balanced ones where I work and they seem quite good. http://www.homedepot.com/HDUS/EN_US/energy/en_learn_fluorbulbs.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 20:58:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3C63BEF8; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061221205852.16069.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Xld5RYxMcwsZcxg6yrfwTTSM4CWXtJCKUb3lMh5vYWwkgxCxtRK21kMjb+xb8cKW95od0Z+DMvXr7L7mjAP5CpwQmZQ//rJ0u2nFAnJ/HKz/kiWOVc8sO76wVkvcATSoinU/EtO4U/w+MHKlHWhwkEyxzVrN8zEhmyVztOQhMjk=; X-YMail-OSG: DjjmcmAVM1m.DeQsZA.Ecv6fhaVl47KoGj5rlmsDHHJENy6Ba9gAjeVun_PpAuJEhjcIPxnu1nHRlTbqS9nPJJMFQm5IQt3aw4Zh2omG31qcxSEMvn8l2rjSo4dhUN5UGKIG0g9gTGcAY1o- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:58:52 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Alt controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:58:54 +0000 (UTC) It sounds like either of those possibilities would get placed in the "not worth the time" catagory. Better off investing in something that actually works. --- mech wrote: > this conversation has started me thinking about > whether there's any > way to chainsaw this puppy into a form factor closer > to the AirFX. > Heck, I wonder if I could find a broken AirFX and > transfer the guts > from the AXYZ controller into that instead.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 21:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5883BEDA; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003801c72541$f35c6890$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> References: <003801c72541$f35c6890$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:00:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 update is available Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711204a9056124aff34173d84e9a2141faab237e295cae9a3fc1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) I have a friend who owns one of these RC-50, he want's to know how to begin a new loop without the drum machine blasting out a click.... anybody? >http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1933/RC50_v101.zip -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 21:18:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B57F3BEEA; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.21] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061219175922.5D01A3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #908 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:17:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2006 21:17:59.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DA86EB0:01C72545] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of cheap amps,here's one that also provides an alternative to road food: _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 22:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD883BEE9; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061221205852.16069.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061221205852.16069.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:46:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:58 PM -0800 12/21/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >It sounds like either of those possibilities would get >placed in the "not worth the time" catagory. Better >off investing in something that actually works. Yeah, you're probably right, especially since I'm not gonna take this stupid thing out of the studio anyway. I was playing with it a few weeks ago and configured it to work with Os' Crossfade Loop Synth. The AXYZ controller was set up to manipulate the sample Loop Start & Loop End points across the X & Z axes. I'll tell you, using the AXYZ as a controller results in some *wicked* realtime granular-ish manipulations. Now that was a blast! --m. -- _______ "If one cup of makes me feel good, then two cups will make me feel better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 21 23:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34833BEE1; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZIHtVJu6sgJboGz2MV1/pw64YVb9WpDl3HhRPcuHFhdKgBnfYkLm0ObQSUrtNcvlKIGmfUiwxADW6pm9AQJeQCnufWTdAiKk4LXDxWAVF+YE18c5gxburoflyxCJh19TOwpC4ERl5IDHdaAsiXlwyB9MrBk8BKZ8GWZ5hgd8I7g= Message-ID: <64b81a780612211553y585602dfw3695be315b305317@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:53:00 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G In-Reply-To: <20061221205554.14325.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <336490.41075.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <20061221205554.14325.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, as far as I know, the light temp is a product of the gas mixture in the tube and various coatings applied. I doubt the 60Hz frequency of the AC influences the color much. It does, however, make it flicker ever so slightly and this is what drives us nuts, slowly beats our souls into submission, etc. Theoretically, if the frequency were upped to something like 100Hz the flicker would then be imperceivable by most humans. As an experiment, if you have an old CRT monitor, try lowering the refresh rate to 60Hz and time how long it takes before you get a headache. Shouldn't be long. Regarding the second bulb possibility, simply installing a device to rotate the AC phase to the second bulb 90 degrees should also do the trick to smooth out the flickering. But then again, I'm not an electrician and don't really know what I'm talking about. Todd On 12/21/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I have a theory > > > that fluorescent light would look much more > > natural if a second bulb could > > > be used , driven by a somehow-filtered AC/mains > > circuit to achieve the > > > tritone of 60 Hz (is that 90 Hz?). The light > > generated at the tritone would > > > have frequency characteristics to compliment the > > 60 Hz light and take away > > > that wicked too-red emphasis that 60 Hz > > fluorescence has. > > Nah, I don't think this is true. Floresents come in a > bunch of different light temps. We have daylight > balanced ones where I work and they seem quite good. > > http://www.homedepot.com/HDUS/EN_US/energy/en_learn_fluorbulbs.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 00:17:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552293BEE7; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: sean@seanmormelo.com via t7.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(72.35.96.78):. Processed in 0.170057 secs) Message-ID: <00fb01c7255e$7f90fb70$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <003801c72541$f35c6890$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 update is available Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:16:59 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:17:02 +0000 (UTC) I have no idea what the new updates do. I do not understand what they mean when they're trying to explain it in the manual. Anyone have any clue? Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 update is available > I have a friend who owns one of these RC-50, he want's to know how to > begin a new loop without the drum machine blasting out a click.... > > anybody? > > > > > >http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1933/RC50_v101.zip > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: 12/17/2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 00:36:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E80583BEE8; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C72561.40685052" Subject: RE: group loop syncing Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3B74F4FD3022A64C91BAF372788B18C1F3F32D@EMMA.personal.adp.ltu.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: group loop syncing Thread-Index: AcclYUBlyUeb9EPDRhalZUwsza1otg== From: "Peter Tikkanen" To: Resent-Message-ID: <_G6M5D.A.bOF.eiyiFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:36:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72561.40685052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I'm really interested in trying to make music with several musicians = making loops live with acoustic instruments - in sync! The idea is that = our drummer could make a couple of overdubs making a percussion loop, = and for the piano and bass player to record a couple of cords to play = e.g. a solo. How can we do that? Of course it's important that the loops = are exactly the same length and starts over simultanously. =20 I've checked out the echoplex, and that's a wonderful piece if you don't = take a look on the price... Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a while getting something = to eat. :) =20 Is there any less expensive alternatives? =20 How is CR-50? Can you sync them together, but still be able to make = independent recordnings, overdubs and changes on the loops? =20 Is there any computer software to use? =20 Please. I really have to get on with my ideas. =20 /Peter =20 (Sorry, my english isn't that good. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C72561.40685052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 01:20:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0429F3BEE8; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3GirwpBqDRW8z/ZlCKBVmX0xLz+IaXAVI4R4VOtRusYOtBeuuVbuM43ZBK9RQRteScXp77hX15Ot4uYql4YvwgwgBExJJ+WSzHetfNjKPOkQkt5Qm0gOl56PgBS2gqiNGXQGxCNksqBobxDOehbKzm4y82djYnk+iKWsYcUfCew=; X-YMail-OSG: w3tQ8OQVM1l5xYrzQythXszeupeKNdu4G3hcEl7X8SDILWQTEatoUgKz9H8EEeg5zptrZ9IKXF0jgDEINKd9V_LrfzLa34MIM7Wm0DZdTlkuucnQbDMZCxdT7dBStuFfcc_Sy0YC3nQmSYQ- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004901c724a2$c37d0200$d80b4b4b@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <36872.76760.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Round bout late 70's/turn of the 80-ish blurry times, I once was the proud owner of a mid-sixties Sears Silvertone head that I added to my rig ('60 geebson melody maker single cutaway >>fuzz>>volume pedal>> looping with an akai gx400d sound on sound open reel into a tweed '59 gibson ranger that i still use pretty much daily, actually)... Brought me into the age of stereophonic loopage. Thing was: this here Silvertone had a bad habit. It was flammable. It would overheat and catch on fire with real flames and everything. Bad smells, tarry and electrical. Upset cohabitators. But RIGHT before I would dive for the power switch, it would have the most INCREDIBLE tone. The roar of impermanence, maybe. -t- --- Paul wrote: > Following loosely along with the comments about > earlier instruments > purchased at 60's/70's/et al prices, I remember two > pieces of gear I fell in > love with in the display window of Lomakin's Music > in Pittsburgh, PA: a Vox > guitar-organ and an original Maestro Echoplex. I > ended up getting a bogus > echoplex (don't remember the brand) but it worked > okay for its day. I think > my nephew still has it (along with my first guitar, > a Harmony electric). I > used to power the ax with a Bogen Challenger power > amp through a speaker > that was either blown or defective but made a > distorted sound similar to > Eric Braun's from the Iron Butterfly. > > The Kahuna > > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 02:09:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4D13BEE9; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612220209.kBM28xNH090238@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: Christmas Wish list Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:09:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C7252B.1815C5D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcclbiXBzf2dffnDSw2ODpb/f2SthA== X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0JVXsC.A.iiB.B5ziFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C7252B.1815C5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I want for Christmas, other than World Peace, doesn't yet exist, at least how I envision it. Santa, if you are listening, I want an all tube, all analog amp pedal. That's right, a low wattage amp, that is in a stomp box chassis, that uses either preamp tubes like 12ax7's, or subminiature tubes like the 6021's found in my Duncan twin tube preamp pedal.. I'm talking about a mini amp, something that is generating 1 to 5 watts, yet capable of either clean headroom or overdrive, and has a reactive load cabinet emulator, and the option to run a speaker cabinet, go direct , or use headphones. Ideally the pedal amp could select between US and British flavored amp platforms, but I'd settle for one really convincing black face style amp sound. I know that there are products like the Warmnfat, and the ZVex micro amp, but as I understand it, neither has a cabinet emulator, which I would love for late night home recording. I just think it would be cool to have something I could run my stomp boxes into that didn't involve miking an amp, or using a modeler, or buying an iso cabinet. If I don't get it that, perhaps the incredibly close friendship I've developed with Richard Sales, in a really short time, will result in him giving me his vintage Maurer :>). Speaking of vintage I have been helping my nephew restore a 76 Gibson Les Paul Deluxe. These guitars represent the low water mark of Gibson's darkest years, and this example is no exception. It's a veritable butcher block of construction with a three piece mahogany back, a three piece un-matched plain Jain maple top, and a three piece (5 if you count the headstock wing laminates) maple neck. It weighs a ton, and due to being stored for too long in a too shallow case, it has neck and fret board issues I'm in the process of having corrected. In spite of that it sounds wonderful, the mini hum buckers sound beautiful, punchier and more focused than regular hum buckers, IMO. The eye opener to me is that even these poorly constructed Gibson's are fetching upwards of $3000 now, and adding further insult, one reason is that most people who owned one back then, did what I did when I had mine. route it for standard hum buckers!!!! Luckily, my nephew's is in pretty stock condition, other than the bridge needed replacement as the original had bowed. Happy Kringle one and all. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C7252B.1815C5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  What I want for Christmas, other than World = Peace, doesn’t yet exist, at least how I envision it.  Santa, if you = are listening, I want an all tube, all analog amp pedal. That’s right, = a low wattage amp, that is in a stomp box chassis, that uses either preamp = tubes like 12ax7’s, or subminiature tubes like the 6021’s found in my = Duncan twin tube preamp pedal.. I’m talking about a mini amp, something = that is generating 1 to 5 watts, yet capable of either clean headroom or overdrive, and has = a reactive load cabinet emulator, and the option to run a speaker cabinet, =  go direct , or use headphones. Ideally the pedal amp could select between = US and British flavored amp platforms, but I’d settle for one really convincing = black face style amp sound. I know that there are products like the Warmnfat, = and the ZVex micro amp, but as I understand it, neither has a cabinet emulator, = which I would love for late night home recording. I just think it would be cool = to have something I could run my stomp boxes into that didn’t involve = miking an amp, or using a modeler, or buying an iso cabinet.  If I = don’t get it that, perhaps the incredibly close friendship I’ve developed = with Richard Sales, in a really short time, will result in him giving me his = vintage Maurer :>).

  Speaking of vintage I have been helping my = nephew restore a 76 Gibson Les Paul Deluxe. These guitars represent the low = water mark of Gibson’s darkest years, and this example is no exception. = It’s a veritable butcher block of construction with a three piece mahogany = back, a three piece un-matched plain Jain maple top, and a three piece (5 if you = count the headstock wing laminates) maple neck. It weighs a ton, and due to = being stored for too long in a too shallow case, it has neck and fret board = issues I’m in the process of having corrected. In spite of that it sounds = wonderful, the mini hum buckers sound beautiful, punchier and more focused than regular = hum buckers, IMO. The eye opener to me is that even these  poorly = constructed Gibson’s are fetching upwards of $3000 now, and adding further insult, one reason = is that  most people who owned one back then, did what I did when I = had mine… route it for standard hum buckers!!!! Luckily, my nephew’s is in = pretty stock condition, other than the bridge needed replacement as the = original had bowed.

 Happy Kringle one and = all.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C7252B.1815C5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 02:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3680C3BEEC; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <066f01c72573$5d388380$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200612220209.kBM28xNH090238@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Christmas Wish list Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:46:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:46:25 +0000 (UTC) A miniature amp....how intriguing, Bill! I like it. I'd like a minature Looperlative too, about the size of a Crackerjack box, with just mini in/outputs and MIDI in. The question is, would it be possible to make a Looperlative this small, if money was no object? Do you we have the technology to do it? It's not exactly what you want, but these are sort of interesting: http://www.impamp.com/ - The World's smallest vacuum tube stereo power amplifier. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/zvex-nano-head-tiny-tube-amp-packs-punch-216386.php - Zvex Nano Head is the world's smallest tube guitar amplifier Apparently there are two world's smallests amps. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Christmas Wish list What I want for Christmas, other than World Peace, doesn't yet exist, at least how I envision it. Santa, if you are listening, I want an all tube, all analog amp pedal. That's right, a low wattage amp, that is in a stomp box chassis, that uses either preamp tubes like 12ax7's, or subminiature tubes like the 6021's found in my Duncan twin tube preamp pedal.. I'm talking about a mini amp, something that is generating 1 to 5 watts, yet capable of either clean headroom or overdrive, and has a reactive load cabinet emulator, and the option to run a speaker cabinet, go direct , or use headphones. Ideally the pedal amp could select between US and British flavored amp platforms, but I'd settle for one really convincing black face style amp sound. I know that there are products like the Warmnfat, and the ZVex micro amp, but as I understand it, neither has a cabinet emulator, which I would love for late night home recording. I just think it would be cool to have something I could run my stomp boxes into that didn't involve miking an amp, or using a modeler, or buying an iso cabinet. If I don't get it that, perhaps the incredibly close friendship I've developed with Richard Sales, in a really short time, will result in him giving me his vintage Maurer :>). Speaking of vintage I have been helping my nephew restore a 76 Gibson Les Paul Deluxe. These guitars represent the low water mark of Gibson's darkest years, and this example is no exception. It's a veritable butcher block of construction with a three piece mahogany back, a three piece un-matched plain Jain maple top, and a three piece (5 if you count the headstock wing laminates) maple neck. It weighs a ton, and due to being stored for too long in a too shallow case, it has neck and fret board issues I'm in the process of having corrected. In spite of that it sounds wonderful, the mini hum buckers sound beautiful, punchier and more focused than regular hum buckers, IMO. The eye opener to me is that even these poorly constructed Gibson's are fetching upwards of $3000 now, and adding further insult, one reason is that most people who owned one back then, did what I did when I had mine. route it for standard hum buckers!!!! Luckily, my nephew's is in pretty stock condition, other than the bridge needed replacement as the original had bowed. Happy Kringle one and all. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 10:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 078003BEF8; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012801c725b0$69af81d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:03:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:03:23 +0000 (UTC) In my first year of college , I went and saw the group Three Dog Night play up at the fairly recently constructed Oakland Coliseum (the first of many shows I'd see there over the years). The drummer was playing a double bass drum set of the brand new released Ludwig see through Vistalite drums. I had never even heard of such a thing and it was so wonderfully modern and psychedelic I became obsessed with them. I had been drumming for about 4 years at this point on the first drumset that my parents had purchased for me (a decrepit blue sparkle Stanford brand) and these things were like a spaceship to me. As chance would have it, I dropped out of college that Winter quarter (much to the chagrin of my parents) and the next summer got a job working graveyard, 6 nights a week, 10 hours a night at a Tomato canning factory in Eastside San Jose. My station at the canning factory was about 20 feet above the canning lines where mostly hispanic women in hairnets picked through freshly boiled whole tomatoes were two very long lines (the length of two football fields in this enormous tin sheds) that carried two different sizes of empty cans that flung by my face at an amazing rate of 7 per second. These cans would then hit can diversion machines that would send a number of them down to each individual canning station with a dozen or so women at it. On the average of every 20 minutes a can would fall over, jamming the machines and making an even more horribly loud sound than that of thousands of empty cans make hurtling down a line. My job was to pick up the can. On my station (and I was the only person up above the canning lines) the rising steam from the boiling tomatoes was so thick that I could not see the ground and the women (and more importantly, the supervisors) could not see me. The sound was so loud that I was able to play for hours each night on the big metal canning lines with enormous 2S drumsticks (the closest thing in the drumming world to small tree trunks). Mind you, there was NOTHING to do at this job for 10 hours a night. I would play for 4 hours with my left hand and for 4 hours with my right hand each night and I did religiously for the whole summer. Lol, I thought it would make me a stronger drummer to do so (and I knew nothing about good technique or the ergonomics of sticking at the time). Well, I was being paid the ungodly sum of slightly over 5 dollars an hour (this was close to three times minimum wage) and at the end of 10 weeks of this, I marched to the store and proudly bought a huge six piece Ludwig Vistalite drum set, with a 22" kick, 13", 14", 16", and a custom 18" floor tom with a deepshelled 14" X 6 1/2" chrome Supraphonic snare drum (that is still my favorite snare drum in the world). For the first year I owned it, I was embarrassed to play in public with it because I thought it was a way better drumset than I was a drummer. As the years went on (forgive me, this was the early 70's) I added on to that drumset (and even had Metheny drummer, Danny Gottlieb send me a 14" X 14" floor tom shell that matched it for free when he heard I was looking for one) and even ended up replacing the toms and built 8 octobans out of clear plexiglass shells so that by the time I sold it, it consisted of 2 22" kick drums 2 10" toms 2 12" toms 1 13" tom 2 14" toms a set of concert toms (6",8",10", 12") 8 6" octobans of various lengths 1 14" snare drum When I finally sold it, I did so to a friend of mine who had been a big fan of my band Tao Chemical for $600 and a Purecussion flat drumset. This was about 2 years before Vistalites suddenly became huge collectors items. I would have made four times that much had I waited as it turned out. I wish I had it to this day but I have to content myself with my custom maple drums with vintage Leedy art deco hardware on them............probably a vastly better drum set. I tell you though, there's a reason that John Bonham played that huge kit of Orange Vistalite Ludwigs with Led Zeppelin. They sounded like GOD on big rock and roll numbers...................just enormous!!!!! But we had entered the era of small drumkits and they were dinosaurs and had to go. I miss that kit. ******************************** Here's what it looked like except that I had an extra 16" X 18" floor tom on mine. http://www.ludwigdrummer.com/Other%20Peoples%20Drums/kevin%20masterson/clear%20vistalite.JPG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 10:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E92D3BEF7; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:56:34 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Christmas Wish list Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c725b7$dca0ff50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acclc1+tZUARPz3HSNWy6nQRCaQeDAARAUug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <066f01c72573$5d388380$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:56:37 +0000 (UTC) > box, with just mini in/outputs and MIDI in. The question is, > would it be possible to make a Looperlative this small, if > money was no object? Do you we have the technology to do it? I'm convinced that if money or market compatibility wasn't an object, a Looperlative could be built into something like a PDA package, perhaps even a mobile phone package, at least if you designed it in a way so it didn't have any physical analogue interfaces, meaning audio I/O and MIDI control was accomplished via bluetooth or wLAN. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 14:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 539243BEF9; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06b501c725d8$c8d6ea40$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000501c725b7$dca0ff50$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Christmas Wish list Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 07:52:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4lQ3zC.A.gFD.pE_iFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:26 +0000 (UTC) We just need a rich sponsor....maybe $100K to start for all the time and labor in the engineering, design, series of prototypes, etc. Hey, what about that guy at Y2K6 who came in the last day and bought every singe one of our CDs on the concession table? He must have deep pockets. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:56 AM Subject: AW: Christmas Wish list >> box, with just mini in/outputs and MIDI in. The question is, >> would it be possible to make a Looperlative this small, if >> money was no object? Do you we have the technology to do it? > > I'm convinced that if money or market compatibility wasn't an object, a > Looperlative could be built into something like a PDA package, perhaps > even > a mobile phone package, at least if you designed it in a way so it didn't > have any physical analogue interfaces, meaning audio I/O and MIDI control > was accomplished via bluetooth or wLAN. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 16:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17C83BEF7; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=i03lJKm2UNTzdcUenSj2m2Rh62jHRj986fYzdgitC4qNUG4CktN/cvqRTISvON/0lihGojKWzUkZt3mxjl3mNwgQIwTS3m86C+pn78z9J8ZOHDPhaQrVxjchLcRlBruappFiE6mTk4b2Fd3M53Ktu1yghh4UonwVpXP8vDWW9pc=; X-YMail-OSG: jmMkhZ8VM1mMLjSWzSidxM7bh36DrXBjexCodz.6HHMkSR1NuLrJIWrhH0NoK4CR64EbfStHbhDBxiD0XpwMyxSaG4LB13VAznFS7urluvXi.9nJrSw6UuDTpE4XQZueecwJLzr3LGy7Ow-- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012801c725b0$69af81d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <184876.79753.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Things that far back are hazy, but I remember being very impressed with the Ibanez TS-9 (Original Tube Screamer) or an analog Ibanez delay from the same era, which later got duct taped to my guitar so I could mess with the knobs while playing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 16:24:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8EE83BF06; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: "'Sean Mormelo'" , Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 update is available Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c725e5$aaf8f790$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7255e$7f90fb70$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Resent-Message-ID: <2cDMCD.A.J8B.4aAjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) > I have no idea what the new updates do. I do not understand what they = mean > when they're trying to explain it in the manual. Anyone have any clue? I installed the update and tried it. As far as I can tell (1) it = doesn't seem to be very useful, but (2) it gave me new insight into the glitch. So here's what I found. The update adds a new mode to the RC-50, which = you can select only at power-on time, and once selected remains set until = you select its opposite. The two choices are 1) Begin playback at the beginning of the beat. 2) Begin playback at the beginning of the recording. (1) is the default choice. The mode appears to be relevant only when = the "loop synchronize" light is not lit, though I may be mistaken about = that. Here is how to hear the difference between the two modes. Start with a blank patch and turn the rhythm guide off, so that "loop synchronize" is = not in effect. Use the "tap tempo" button to set a very slow tempo. Turn = off "auto record." Now start recording half way through a beat, record for a while, and go = into playback mode. In mode (1), the playback will start at the next beat. = In mode (2), it will start immediately, even though it's off the beat. At first I thought this behavior would be useful. However, when I = overdub in mode (2), it causes a permanent glitch in the sound at the instant = the overdub starts. So unless you can start the overdub (i.e. hit the foot switch) during a moment of silence, it's useless. However, playing around with mode (1) (which I think is the way the = RC-50 behaved before the update) made me realize that maybe the glitch I had = been experiencing isn't a glitch at all. Here's why. Start again with a blank patch, and this time turn on the rhythm guide, which enables "loop synchronize." Turn "auto record" on, = and start recording. Now, suppose you hit the pedal to go into playback mode, and you do so a tiny bit after a beat. Because "loop synchronize" is on, the RC-50 will want to make the loop a whole number of beats long. There are only two = ways of doing that: 1) Start the loop at the beginning of the next beat; 2) Start the loop at the beginning of the current beat. If you were only a little after the beat, (2) is less surprising. = However, that means that part of the beat has already gone by, which means that playback cannot include the beginning of the current beat because it's = in the past. Which means that playback has to exclude the little bit of = that beat. That comes out as a glitch. The way to prevent that glitch seems to be to be sure to go into = playback mode a tiny bit *before* the end of the beat. Again, "loop synchronize" will cause the RC-50 to extend the loop until the end of the beat, but = now when it starts it will include the entire beat and no glitch will be audible. At least that is what I have found with my experiments so far. If anyone with a pre-updated RC-50 wants to try to find a way of = reproducing the glitch, I will be happy to try the same experiment on my RC-50 both = ways and report the results. Regards, Andrew Koenig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 16:32:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315343BF12; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:32:18 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c725e6$c34519e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <184876.79753.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Accl5MAoQLmfgzGCQmCmS1DAIi9vMgAAfkOQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: <0SOwU.A.yHD.TiAjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:32:20 +0000 (UTC) > Things that far back are hazy, but I remember being very > impressed with the Ibanez TS-9 (Original Tube > Screamer) or an analog Ibanez delay from the same era, which > later got duct taped to my guitar so I could mess with the > knobs while playing. In my case: Oberheim Xpander From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 16:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C2D63BF1A; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EybrpW5AT7UODRJpLXllKq8EfpAwg+ZvUmqiawHYpu8ga2MJhY4kelUZ0eXXwmgrhLDtimv7UHjx3uM9+e3ekK3gchAVJsPPbNvMO1GaxljxLBXZN5Pn4SY8OozEiQwaW7wAMugE/YQEIxzsBW/u3qCkMMboiu7FNPPxtrPA63U=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Gcb7MEVM1ldIu3rjr9_NR87iVKF4rMbpGazJm.7YCAmNsaRgIDahhJ9tz5J0TqWbQ-- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: group loop syncing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B74F4FD3022A64C91BAF372788B18C1F3F32D@EMMA.personal.adp.ltu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <511160.81494.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:42:59 +0000 (UTC) --- Peter Tikkanen wrote: > > I've checked out the echoplex, and that's a > wonderful piece if you don't take a look on the > price... Yeah, the EDP's price always kept it out of my rack. A great looper, no doubt, but if you want to loop stereo the cost was kind of through the roof compared to other stereo loopers. In terms of syncable loopers right now, I don't think there's much else though. You can get a Looperlative, but it's even more though stereo. If it sat in a mixer's effects loop you might be able to work it so that you could all take a channel (there's 8 stereo channels) but that would be kind of hard to work out and would probably mean that one person was the loopmaster. > Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a > while getting something to eat. :) Heh, we have the same issue in the U.S.A. I find a "day job" helps. > Is there any less expensive alternatives? > > How is CR-50? Can you sync them together, but still > be able to make independent recordnings, overdubs > and changes on the loops? CR-50? I think you mean the RC-50. I don't own one but I hear there are sync issues with it unless it's the master, so it's probably better suited to having a drum machine follow it. Look at the Electro-harmonix 2880, that's a good one that might work for you. > Is there any computer software to use? There sure is. I've abandoned dedicated hardware for a more flexible compact laptop based system. Mobius is my looper of choice these days. http://www.zonemobius.com It's amazing, free and the developer is great. If you have a laptop that's set up for audio, get a midi controller and you're done. If you're on a Mac, you're less fortunate, but Expert Sleeper's Augustus loop is inexpensive and pretty fucking fun. More of a tape loop simulator than Mobius, but it's really fun. There's also > Please. I really have to get on with my ideas. Get on it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 16:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EF73BF08; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:53:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07AC_01C725AE.FCCE8A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:53:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07AC_01C725AE.FCCE8A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageFYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs = on the web here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm I am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a few = months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone = remember what it was? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop = recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for = multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your = computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired = by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a = stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any = other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed = to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/=20 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of = audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as stand-alone and as VST. = Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ =20 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's = effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop = (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase = sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS = classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary = Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique = concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html =20 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with = some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a = stand-alone, not VST.=20 http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html=20 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man = or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. = http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or = http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound card = to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop = basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or = digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a = track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the = record button. =20 Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/=20 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an = old style tape loop system, but rather than trying to model something = that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a = laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on = Windows. http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU = (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, = which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X. = http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop = a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in = real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of = the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but = works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST = 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about = compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows = gratefully received. Supported on Windows. = http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - A = long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops = in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable = looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 = instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play = well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the = FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. = Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical = Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of = making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive = grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited = improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the = perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and = into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source = software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help = FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping. For Linux = only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. = http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals = who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi = allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities = from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create = variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have = loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and = score. Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html List compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight = members, http://www.krispenhartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_07AC_01C725AE.FCCE8A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
FYI...I have placed this list of = software-based=20 looping programs on the web here:
 
http://www.kr= ispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm
 
I am still missing some programs. = Someone announced=20 a new while a few months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive,=20 etc...anyone remember what it was?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

1.=20 SooperLooper - A live looping = sampler=20 capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, = reversing and=20 more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited = only by=20 your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was = inspired=20 by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  Not VST, = but a=20 stand-alone program.  Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, = and any=20 other platforms that support JACK.  Not supported on XP, but is = supposed=20 to be in the future. .  http://essej.net/sooperlooper/

2. = Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and = manipulation of=20 audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital Pro=20 with Loop IV software.  Runs as stand-alone and as VST.  = Supported=20 on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 

3. ELOTTRONIX=20 XL - A VST plugin which = emulates the famous=20 Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).  = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. = ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's=20 effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous = loop (2-8=20 seconds delay).  Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).  = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP=20 42  - A high-quality = digital stereo=20 delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and = RTAS for=20 Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the = legendary=20 Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and = unique=20 concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html=  

6. Augustus=20 Loop - An emulation of a = tape-based delay=20 effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping = device.=20 Runs as a stand-alone, not VST.

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama=20 v0.802 - It's a looper... made = to emulate=20 the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX.=20 http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14

8. = Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your = sound card=20 to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop = basically=20 functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay = box with=20 feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual = mode to=20 set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. =20

Supported on = Windows.=20 http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9.=20 AngstroLooper - A ridiculously = long delay;=20 it partly emulates an old style tape loop system,  but rather = than trying=20 to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy = to use=20 tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. = Supported on=20 Windows.  http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. = Musolomo -  An "interactive sampler" released as an = OSX AU=20 (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop = mode,=20 which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware=20 Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.  http://www.plasq.com

11. = Coldcutter -  A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is = designed to=20 chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them = randomly in=20 real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of = the=20 Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but = works with=20 Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and = Cubase=20 SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems = with=20 other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on = Windows.=20 http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. = Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) = -  A=20 long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape = loops in=20 "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp and=20 Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper = within a=20 sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under = SONAR 2=20 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi = hosts. The=20 VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is = otherwise=20 mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

13. = Freewheeling=20 - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The = Muse-ical=20 Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of = making=20 music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive = grooves by=20 sampling and directing loops from within spirited improvisation. = FreeWheeling=20 works because it is built from the perspective of an improviser. It = takes us=20 out of mice and menus, and into our own process of making sound. = FreeWheeling=20 is open source software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope = that this=20 will help FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live = looping.  For=20 Linux only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth = libraries. =20 http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

14. Divine=20 Machine - Born from the ideas = of two music=20 professionals who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, = Devine=20 Machine VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the=20 possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow = you to=20 create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you = to have=20 loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and = score.  Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

List compiled by = Krispen=20 Hartung with input from Looper's Delight members, http://www.krispenhartung

------=_NextPart_000_07AC_01C725AE.FCCE8A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 17:22:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9FC83BF0B; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.236.152.193] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <511160.81494.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: group loop syncing Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:21:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2006 17:22:01.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[B100B940:01C725ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:22:03 +0000 (UTC) > > Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a > > while getting something to eat. :) > >Heh, we have the same issue in the U.S.A. I find a >"day job" helps. > day job ...... did you get tired of scraping money out of the couch cushions to get coffee and ramen noodles ....... you sellout. It's ok ...... me too ....... _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 17:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13903BF0F; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <36872.76760.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <36872.76760.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--477674090 Message-Id: <200a0f8ca335d01683d8f22b6d00844d@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:21:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--477674090 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very nice music, Tim. Only one mistake - i LOVE the band name The Bumping Uglies! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Dec-06, at 5:20 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Round bout late 70's/turn of the 80-ish blurry times, > I once was the proud owner of a mid-sixties Sears > Silvertone head that I added to my rig ('60 geebson > melody maker single cutaway >>fuzz>>volume pedal>> > looping with an akai gx400d sound on sound open reel > into a tweed '59 gibson ranger that i still use pretty > much daily, actually)... Brought me into the age of > stereophonic loopage. > > Thing was: this here Silvertone had a bad habit. It > was flammable. It would overheat and catch on fire > with real flames and everything. Bad smells, tarry and > electrical. Upset cohabitators. But RIGHT before I > would dive for the power switch, it would have the > most INCREDIBLE tone. The roar of impermanence, maybe. > > -t- > > --- Paul wrote: > >> Following loosely along with the comments about >> earlier instruments >> purchased at 60's/70's/et al prices, I remember two >> pieces of gear I fell in >> love with in the display window of Lomakin's Music >> in Pittsburgh, PA: a Vox >> guitar-organ and an original Maestro Echoplex. I >> ended up getting a bogus >> echoplex (don't remember the brand) but it worked >> okay for its day. I think >> my nephew still has it (along with my first guitar, >> a Harmony electric). I >> used to power the ax with a Bogen Challenger power >> amp through a speaker >> that was either blown or defective but made a >> distorted sound similar to >> Eric Braun's from the Iron Butterfly. >> >> The Kahuna >> >> >> > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-5--477674090 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Very nice music, Tim. Only one mistake - i LOVE the band name The Bumping Uglies! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Dec-06, at 5:20 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: Round bout late 70's/turn of the 80-ish blurry times, I once was the proud owner of a mid-sixties Sears Silvertone head that I added to my rig ('60 geebson melody maker single cutaway >>fuzz>>volume pedal>> looping with an akai gx400d sound on sound open reel into a tweed '59 gibson ranger that i still use pretty much daily, actually)... Brought me into the age of stereophonic loopage. Thing was: this here Silvertone had a bad habit. It was flammable. It would overheat and catch on fire with real flames and everything. Bad smells, tarry and electrical. Upset cohabitators. But RIGHT before I would dive for the power switch, it would have the most INCREDIBLE tone. The roar of impermanence, maybe. -t- --- Paul < wrote: Following loosely along with the comments about earlier instruments purchased at 60's/70's/et al prices, I remember two pieces of gear I fell in love with in the display window of Lomakin's Music in Pittsburgh, PA: a Vox guitar-organ and an original Maestro Echoplex. I ended up getting a bogus echoplex (don't remember the brand) but it worked okay for its day. I think my nephew still has it (along with my first guitar, a Harmony electric). I used to power the ax with a Bogen Challenger power amp through a speaker that was either blown or defective but made a distorted sound similar to Eric Braun's from the Iron Butterfly. The Kahuna < 'Rantai' CD: < 'Mesh' CD: < Chain Tape Collective: < __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-5--477674090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 18:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088773BF1A; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--473836427 Message-Id: <3b2d8e8db1187800a38932ace73d2879@cox.net> From: MD Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:25:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--473836427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed thanks On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > FYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs on=20 > the web here: > =A0 > http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > =A0 > I am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a few=20= > months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone=20 > remember what it was? > =A0 > Kris > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> =A0 >> >> 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop=20 >> recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows=20 >> for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your=20 >> computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was=20 >> inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).=A0 Not=20= >> VST, but a stand-alone program.=A0 Currently supported on Linux and = Mac=20 >> OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK.=A0 Not supported on=20= >> XP, but is supposed to be in the future. .=A0=20 >> http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ >> >> 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of=20= >> audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex=20 >> Digital Pro with Loop IV software.=A0 Runs as stand-alone and as = VST.=A0=20 >> Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/=A0 >> >> 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert=20 >> Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a=20 >> continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).=A0=20 >> http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm >> >> 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's=20= >> effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous=20 >> loop (2-8 seconds delay).=A0 Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).=A0=20 >> http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm >> >> 5. Lexicon PSP 42=A0 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase=20= >> sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS=20 >> classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the=20 >> legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive=20 >> sound and unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac=20= >> OSX. http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html=A0 >> >> 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with=20 >> some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs=20= >> as a stand-alone, not VST. >> >> http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html >> >> 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man=20= >> or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX.=20 >> http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or=20 >> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 >> >> 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound=20 >> card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time.=20 >> Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape=20 >> loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop=20= >> time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly)=20 >> and press the record button.=A0 >> >> Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ >> >> 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an=20= >> old style tape loop system,=A0 but rather than trying to model=20 >> something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use=20= >> tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin.=20 >> Supported on Windows.=A0 http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ >> >> 10. Musolomo -=A0 An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU=20 >> (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming).=A0 It also has an Autoloop = mode,=20 >> which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a=20= >> hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.=A0=20 >> http://www.plasq.com >> >> 11. Coldcutter -=A0 A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to=20= >> chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them=20 >> randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The=20 >> current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with=20= >> Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary=20= >> testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any=20= >> information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions=20= >> of Windows gratefully received. Supported on Windows.=20 >> http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml >> >> 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -=A0 A=20 >> long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape=20 >> loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now=20= >> all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI=20 >> controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently=20 >> works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!),=20 >> and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version=20 >> works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly=20= >> untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows.=20 >> http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ >> >> 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical=20= >> Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of=20= >> making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build=20 >> repetitive grooves by sampling and directing loops from within=20 >> spirited improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from=20= >> the perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus,=20= >> and into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source=20= >> software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will=20= >> help FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping.=A0 = For=20 >> Linux only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries.=A0=20= >> http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what >> >> 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals=20= >> who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine=20= >> VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the=20 >> possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow=20= >> you to create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode=20 >> allows you to have loops match precisely with independent control=20 >> over groove, tempo, and score.=A0 Supported on Windows / Pentium=20 >> systems. http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html >> >> List compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight=20 >> members, http://www.krispenhartung=20= --Apple-Mail-1--473836427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialFYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs on the web = here: =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm =A0 ArialI am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a few months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone remember what it = was? =A0 ArialKris =A0 Arial----- Original Message ----- = Arial=A0 Arial1. = SooperLooperArial= - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).=A0 Not VST, but a stand-alone program.=A0 Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK.=A0 Not supported on XP, but is supposed to be in the future. .=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://essej.net/sooperlooper/= Arial2. = MobiusArial - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software.=A0 Runs as stand-alone and as VST.=A0 Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.zonemobius.com/=A0<= /smaller> Arial3. ELOTTRONIX = XLArial = - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm<= /color> Arial4. = ELOTTRONIXArial - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay).=A0 Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm<= /color> Arial5. Lexicon PSP = 42Arial=A0= - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/ps= p42.html=A0 Arial6. Augustus = LoopArial - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a stand-alone, not = VST. = Arial0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html<= /color>=20 Arial7. Loopy Llama = v0.802Arial - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/L= oopyLlama/ or = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 Arial8. Ambiloop = Arial- A Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button.=A0 ArialSupported on Windows. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://evenfall.com/ambiloop/<= /smaller>=20 Arial9. = AngstroLooperArial - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an old style tape loop system,=A0 but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on Windows.=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolo= oper/ Arial10. = MusolomoArial -=A0 An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming).=A0 It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.plasq.com= Arial11. = ColdcutterArial -=A0 A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on Windows. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.= shtml Arial12. = LoopitchArial (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -=A0 A long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopit= ch/ Arial13. Freewheeling = Arial- FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping.=A0 For Linux only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries.=A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#w= hat Arial14. Divine = MachineArial - Born from the ideas of two music professionals who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and score.=A0 Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.devine-machine.com/home.htm= l ArialList compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight members, = 0000,0000,FFFFhttp://www.krispenhartung = --Apple-Mail-1--473836427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 18:31:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AC4F3BEF3; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZTE3uyfuBlZKoHjBwofmCwd3uRuDVdtM+SaadQIJ5m/cIilubFcU/5chg4RBA8p+UmvhgLzu7b5I3Cm2lPlCYp/eiHfu9mVAz46RRjAopZKsjh2erdB+TNzrPPcqgQpzFoJKVk/F/HJLd4FS5Lc2H4uNj7QWPiFAirEmuJqveTs= ; Message-ID: <20061222183157.1528.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: H5qA4B8VM1k3dXfb_q1xhV8O6GEzYYsYjWOAT6ZcxKbSrw0IYnhaVCGqxtAtMa_x_wy_50vMZzXUKWhv10n4YE8PAcfZEEcT1f_hxhK6W8t4G0.NvB6fFiZcqxXQAELJwOskBGwlWEwxEL8- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: group loop syncing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Well, I never really tire of looking in seat cushions. There's always a wealth of treasures to be found there. However, what I did tire of was having a job where the only qualification to being my boss was that you walked into the restaurant. I tired of having little time to practice because I had to work overtime at the sock store to pay my rent. Most of all, I tired of playing Pink Floyd covers for frat boys. Hat's off to all of you who can make a living playing music, or don't need income to survive, but myself, I'm not really very talented and I'm way more happy now that I can afford to buy my own home that's got a nice room for looping and frankly if no one hears me, it's not a bad thing at all. I think I spend more time playing now than I ever did, and I never have to think, "Will this freak out the frat boys who've dosed before the party?" So if you call designing media and animation instead of waiting tables "selling out" that's fine with me. I think I have more of my soul than if I'd gone to playing Mustang Sally at Weddings. Mark --- aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a > > > while getting something to eat. :) > > > >Heh, we have the same issue in the U.S.A. I find a > >"day job" helps. > > > > > day job ...... did you get tired of scraping money > out of the couch cushions > to get coffee and ramen noodles ....... you sellout. > > It's ok ...... me too ....... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fixing up the home? Live Search can help > http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 19:48:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C3D3BF14; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:48:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07D3_01C725C7.6A51E4E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:48:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07D3_01C725C7.6A51E4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello fellow Loopers, I'd like to wish you all a very special holiday season with your friends = and family! Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for putting up = with my philosophical rantings on the list. Just a few minutes ago, I finished recording a Christmas looping song = for you all - A basic jazz interpretation of Mel Torme's "The Christmas = Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire". I used Mobius (only one = loop and the melody played over that), with some basic VST effects. I = also re-harmonized the chord changes, just slightly, to darken it up a = bit and give it that Hartung spice. :) http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_07D3_01C725C7.6A51E4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello fellow Loopers,

I'd = like to=20 wish you all a very special holiday season with your friends and = family! =20 Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for putting up with my = philosophical=20 rantings on the list.

Just a few minutes ago, I finished = recording a=20 Christmas looping song for you all - A basic jazz interpretation of = Mel=20 Torme's "The Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open = Fire".  I=20 used Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over that), with some = basic VST=20 effects. I also re-harmonized the chord changes, just slightly, to = darken=20 it up a bit and give it that Hartung spice. :)

http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm

Cheers,

Kris



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info@kri= spenhartung.com=20 / 1.208.724.5603
Discography -=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung =
------=_NextPart_000_07D3_01C725C7.6A51E4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 20:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08AD43BF12; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c72605$ed3ba6f0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:15:28 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7260E.4E1FE820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:15:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7260E.4E1FE820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHi Kris, I think the Mobius link doesn't work ... it would just as: http://www.zonemobius.com/download.html My two cents! R. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) FYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs on = the web here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm I am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a few = months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone = remember what it was? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop = recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for = multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your = computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired = by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a = stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any = other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed = to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/=20 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of = audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as stand-alone and as VST. = Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ =20 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase = sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS = classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary = Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique = concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html =20 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with = some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a = stand-alone, not VST.=20 http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html=20 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man = or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. = http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or = http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound = card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. = Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop = or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for = a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the = record button. =20 Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/=20 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an = old style tape loop system, but rather than trying to model something = that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a = laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on = Windows. http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU = (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, = which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X. = http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to = chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them = randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current = version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton = Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on = Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information = about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows = gratefully received. Supported on Windows. = http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - A = long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops = in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable = looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 = instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play = well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the = FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. = Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical = Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of = making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive = grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited = improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the = perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and = into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source = software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help = FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping. For Linux = only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. = http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals = who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi = allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities = from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create = variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have = loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and = score. Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html List compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight = members, http://www.krispenhartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7260E.4E1FE820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi Kris,

I think the Mobius link = doesn't=20 work ...
it would just as:
http://www.zonemobius.com/download.html

My two cents!
R.

The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at=20 myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 = 5:53=20 PM
Subject: FINAL List of Looping = Plugins=20 (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

FYI...I have placed this list of = software-based=20 looping programs on the web here:
 
http://www.kr= ispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm
 
I am still missing some programs. = Someone=20 announced a new while a few months ago, that was marketed as simple,=20 intuitive, etc...anyone remember what it was?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

1.=20 SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop=20 recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows = for=20 multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your = computer's=20 available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the=20 impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  Not VST, but a=20 stand-alone program.  Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS = X, and=20 any other platforms that support JACK.  Not supported on XP, = but is=20 supposed to be in the future. .  http://essej.net/sooperlooper/

2. = Mobius - A=20 program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. = It has=20 functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop = IV=20 software.  Runs as stand-alone and as VST.  Supported on = Windows=20 XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 

3. = ELOTTRONIX XL -=20 A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called=20 "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop. Supported = on PCs=20 (MAC uncertain).  http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. = ELOTTRONIX - A=20 VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called=20 "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 = seconds=20 delay).  Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). =20 http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. = Lexicon PSP=20 42  - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase = sampler=20 plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic = and=20 AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon = PCM 42=20 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept .=20 Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html=  

6. = Augustus Loop -=20 An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features = to=20 facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a stand-alone, not = VST.=20

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy = Llama=20 v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 = (VST=20 plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14

8. = Ambiloop - A=20 Windows software application that uses your sound card to create = smoothly=20 overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically = functions like a=20 multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with = feedback.=20 Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to = set loop=20 times on-the-fly) and press the record button. =20

Supported on = Windows.=20 http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. = AngstroLooper -=20 A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an old style tape loop = system,  but rather than trying to model something that it = isn't,=20 AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while = playing=20 live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on Windows. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. = Musolomo=20 -  An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST=20 supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which = will=20 allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware = Looper.=20 Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.  http://www.plasq.com

11. = Coldcutter=20 -  A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop = into a=20 number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time = according to a number of parameters. The current version of the = Coldcutter=20 was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with = Cubase.=20 It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase = SX 1.01=20 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with = other=20 hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on = Windows.=20 http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. = Loopitch (name=20 subject to change: suggestions accepted) -  A long-period = high-feedback=20 looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or = digital=20 Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes = out there=20 can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing = host!=20 Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only = test=20 platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi = version=20 works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly = untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

13. = Freewheeling -=20 FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical Moment. It is a = live=20 looping instrument that returns us to the joy of making music = spontaneously.=20 FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive grooves by sampling and = directing=20 loops from within spirited improvisation. FreeWheeling works because = it is=20 built from the perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice = and=20 menus, and into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is = open source=20 software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will = help=20 FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping.  For = Linux=20 only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. =20 http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

14. = Divine Machine=20 - Born from the ideas of two music professionals who were = unsatisfied with=20 the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi allows you to = spontaneously=20 and effortlessly explore the possibilities from loops you already = own.=20 Hundreds of presets allow you to create variation on any loop with a = single=20 click. Drum mode allows you to have loops match precisely with = independent=20 control over groove, tempo, and score.  Supported on Windows / = Pentium=20 systems. http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

List compiled = by Krispen=20 Hartung with input from Looper's Delight members, = http://www.krispenhartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7260E.4E1FE820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 20:18:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E3D3BF17; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <087701c72606$4e7554c0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000a01c72605$ed3ba6f0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:18:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0874_01C725CB.A13A4D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0874_01C725CB.A13A4D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageCripes. Thanks. I had an extra space at the end of the URL in the = code. Fixed now. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: raul bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) Hi Kris, I think the Mobius link doesn't work ... it would just as: http://www.zonemobius.com/download.html My two cents! R. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) FYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs on = the web here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm I am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a = few months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone = remember what it was? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop = recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for = multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your = computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired = by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a = stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any = other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed = to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/=20 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation = of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as stand-alone and as VST. = Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ =20 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and = phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac = OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the = legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound = and unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html =20 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with = some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a = stand-alone, not VST.=20 http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html=20 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam = Man or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. = http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or = http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound = card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. = Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop = or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for = a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the = record button. =20 Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/=20 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates = an old style tape loop system, but rather than trying to model = something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use = tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. = Supported on Windows. http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU = (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, = which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X. = http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to = chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them = randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current = version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton = Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on = Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information = about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows = gratefully received. Supported on Windows. = http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - A = long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops = in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable = looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 = instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play = well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the = FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. = Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The = Muse-ical Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the = joy of making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build = repetitive grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited = improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the = perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and = into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source = software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help = FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping. For Linux = only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. = http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music = professionals who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, = Devine Machine VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore = the possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow = you to create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode = allows you to have loops match precisely with independent control over = groove, tempo, and score. Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html List compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight = members, http://www.krispenhartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0874_01C725CB.A13A4D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Cripes. Thanks. I had an extra space at = the end of=20 the URL in the code. Fixed now.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 raul bonell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 = 1:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: FINAL List of = Looping=20 Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

Hi Kris,

I think the Mobius = link doesn't=20 work ...
it would just as:
http://www.zonemobius.com/download.html

My two cents!
R.

The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO=20 at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 22, = 2006 5:53=20 PM
Subject: FINAL List of = Looping Plugins=20 (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

FYI...I have placed this list of = software-based=20 looping programs on the web here:
 
http://www.kr= ispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm
 
I am still missing some programs. = Someone=20 announced a new while a few months ago, that was marketed as simple, = intuitive, etc...anyone remember what it was?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
 

1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable = of=20 immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and = more. It=20 allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only = by your=20 computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was = inspired by=20 the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  Not VST, = but a=20 stand-alone program.  Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS = X, and=20 any other platforms that support JACK.  Not supported on XP, = but is=20 supposed to be in the future. .  http://essej.net/sooperlooper/

2. = Mobius - A=20 program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio = loops. It has=20 functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with = Loop IV=20 software.  Runs as stand-alone and as VST.  Supported on = Windows=20 XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 

3. = ELOTTRONIX XL=20 - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect = called=20 "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop. = Supported on=20 PCs (MAC uncertain).  http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. = ELOTTRONIX - A=20 VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called=20 "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 = seconds=20 delay).  Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). =20 http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. = Lexicon PSP=20 42  - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase = sampler=20 plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic = and=20 AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary = Lexicon PCM 42=20 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept = .=20 Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html=  

6. = Augustus Loop=20 - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra = features to=20 facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a stand-alone, not = VST.=20

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. = Loopy Llama=20 v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 = (VST=20 plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14

8. = Ambiloop - A=20 Windows software application that uses your sound card to create = smoothly=20 overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically = functions like=20 a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with = feedback.=20 Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode = to set=20 loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. =20

Supported on = Windows.=20 http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9. = AngstroLooper=20 - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an old style tape = loop=20 system,  but rather than trying to model something that it = isn't,=20 AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while = playing=20 live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on Windows. =20 http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. = Musolomo=20 -  An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows = VST=20 supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop mode, which = will=20 allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware=20 Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.  = http://www.plasq.com

11. = Coldcutter=20 -  A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a = loop into a=20 number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in = real-time=20 according to a number of parameters. The current version of the = Coldcutter=20 was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works = with=20 Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 = and=20 Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about = compatibility=20 problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully = received.=20 Supported on Windows. http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. = Loopitch=20 (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) -  A = long-period=20 high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in = "the old=20 days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp = and Torn=20 wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper = within a=20 sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument = under SONAR=20 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other = DXi=20 hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion = adapter, but=20 is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows.=20 http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

13. = Freewheeling=20 - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical Moment. It is a = live=20 looping instrument that returns us to the joy of making music=20 spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive grooves = by=20 sampling and directing loops from within spirited improvisation.=20 FreeWheeling works because it is built from the perspective of an=20 improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and into our own = process of=20 making sound. FreeWheeling is open source software, released under = the GNU=20 GPL license. I hope that this will help FreeWheeling grow into a = robust=20 platform for live looping.  For Linux only. Uses the JACK, = ALSA, SDL,=20 OGG, or FluidSynth libraries.  http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

14. = Divine=20 Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals who = were=20 unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi = allows you=20 to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities from = loops you=20 already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create variation on = any loop=20 with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have loops match = precisely=20 with independent control over groove, tempo, and score.  = Supported on=20 Windows / Pentium systems. http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

List compiled = by Krispen=20 Hartung with input from Looper's Delight members, = http://www.krispenhartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_0874_01C725CB.A13A4D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 20:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 318F83BF37; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--466713247 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:24:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4H_gcD.A.JtB.S9DjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--466713247 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey Kris The philosophical ramblings or rants or whatever you called it are part =20= of why I keep opening the messages! I think it would be a huge shame =20= to shut down anyone's thoughts or opinions. It's all about learning =20 and being stimulated to be more creative and thoughtful in our music =20 and all we do. So there! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Dec-06, at 11:48 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello fellow Loopers, > > I'd like to wish you all a very special holiday season with your =20 > friends and family!=A0 Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for = =20 > putting up with my philosophical rantings on the list. > > Just a few minutes ago, I finished recording a Christmas looping song =20= > for you all -=A0A basic jazz interpretation of Mel Torme's "The =20 > Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire".=A0 I used =20 > Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over that), with some =20 > basic VST effects. I also re-harmonized the chord changes, just =20 > slightly,=A0to darken it up a bit and give it that Hartung spice. :) > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > > = ***********************************************************************=20= > *** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: =20 > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20= --Apple-Mail-4--466713247 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Kris The philosophical ramblings or rants or whatever you called it are part of why I keep opening the messages! I think it would be a huge shame to shut down anyone's thoughts or opinions. It's all about learning and being stimulated to be more creative and thoughtful in our music and all we do. So there! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Dec-06, at 11:48 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFHello fellow Loopers, ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFI'd like to wish you all a very special holiday season with your friends and family!=A0 Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for putting up with my philosophical rantings on the list. ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFJust a few minutes ago, I finished recording a Christmas looping song for you all -=A0A basic jazz interpretation of Mel Torme's "The Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire".=A0 I used Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over that), with some basic VST effects. I also re-harmonized the chord changes, just slightly,=A0to darken it up a bit and give it that Hartung spice. = :) = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFhttp:/= /www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFCheers= , = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFKris = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFF******= ******************************************************************** = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFKrispe= n Hartung = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFwww.kr= ispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFPerfor= mance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFinfo@k= rispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 = ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFDiscog= raphy - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ArialFFFF,FFFF,FFFFCD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung = = --Apple-Mail-4--466713247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 20:49:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916603BF10; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08da01c7260a$b2f35b50$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:49:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C725D0.05BB8870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C725D0.05BB8870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageAh hah! I remembered the new looping software not on the list: = LoopMaster....now on the site. I took me some searching on the LD = archives to find the announcement. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) FYI...I have placed this list of software-based looping programs on = the web here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm I am still missing some programs. Someone announced a new while a few = months ago, that was marketed as simple, intuitive, etc...anyone = remember what it was? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop = recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for = multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your = computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired = by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a = stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any = other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed = to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/=20 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of = audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as stand-alone and as VST. = Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ =20 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert = Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a = continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase = sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS = classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary = Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique = concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. = http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html =20 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with = some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a = stand-alone, not VST.=20 http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html=20 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man = or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. = http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or = http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound = card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. = Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop = or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for = a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the = record button. =20 Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/=20 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an = old style tape loop system, but rather than trying to model something = that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a = laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on = Windows. http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU = (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, = which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a = hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X. = http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to = chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them = randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current = version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton = Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on = Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information = about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows = gratefully received. Supported on Windows. = http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - A = long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops = in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable = looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 = instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play = well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the = FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. = Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical = Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of = making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive = grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited = improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the = perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and = into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source = software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help = FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping. For Linux = only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. = http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals = who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi = allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities = from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create = variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have = loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and = score. Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html List compiled by Krispen Hartung with input from Looper's Delight = members, http://www.krispenhartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C725D0.05BB8870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ah hah! I remembered the new looping = software not=20 on the list: LoopMaster....now on the site. I took me some searching on = the LD=20 archives to find the announcement.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 = 9:53=20 AM
Subject: FINAL List of Looping = Plugins=20 (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

FYI...I have placed this list of = software-based=20 looping programs on the web here:
 
http://www.kr= ispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm
 
I am still missing some programs. = Someone=20 announced a new while a few months ago, that was marketed as simple,=20 intuitive, etc...anyone remember what it was?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

1.=20 SooperLooper - A live looping = sampler=20 capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, = reversing and=20 more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops = limited only=20 by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation = was=20 inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).  = Not VST,=20 but a stand-alone program.  Currently supported on Linux and = Mac OS X,=20 and any other platforms that support JACK.  Not supported on = XP, but is=20 supposed to be in the future. .  http://essej.net/sooperlooper/

2. = Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and = manipulation=20 of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex = Digital=20 Pro with Loop IV software.  Runs as stand-alone and as = VST. =20 Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 

3. ELOTTRONIX=20 XL - A VST plugin which = emulates the=20 famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 = making=20 a continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain).  = http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

4. = ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous = Robert Fripp's=20 effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous = loop (2-8=20 seconds delay).  Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). =20 http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm

5. Lexicon PSP=20 42  - A high-quality = digital stereo=20 delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and = RTAS for=20 Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the = legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive = sound and=20 unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX.=20 http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html=  

6. Augustus=20 Loop - An emulation of a = tape-based delay=20 effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping = device.=20 Runs as a stand-alone, not VST.

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html

7. Loopy Llama=20 v0.802 - It's a looper... = made to emulate=20 the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX.=20 http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=3D14

8. = Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses = your sound card=20 to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop = basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or = digital=20 delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a = track (or=20 use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record=20 button. 

Supported on = Windows.=20 http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

9.=20 AngstroLooper - A = ridiculously long=20 delay; it partly emulates an old style tape loop system,  but = rather=20 than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is = designed to=20 be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a = VST=20 plugin. Supported on Windows.  http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

10. = Musolomo -  An "interactive sampler" released as = an OSX AU=20 (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming).  It also has an Autoloop = mode,=20 which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like = a=20 hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X.  = http://www.plasq.com

11.=20 Coldcutter -  A VST 2.0 = plugin. The=20 Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or = 'cuts' and=20 rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of = parameters.=20 The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use = with=20 Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary = testing=20 on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any = information=20 about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows = gratefully received. Supported on Windows. http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml

12. = Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions = accepted) -  A=20 long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape = loops in=20 "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the = Fripp=20 and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable = looper=20 within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 = instrument=20 under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well = with other=20 DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion = adapter, but=20 is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows.=20 http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

13. = Freewheeling=20 - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The = Muse-ical=20 Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy = of making=20 music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive = grooves by=20 sampling and directing loops from within spirited improvisation.=20 FreeWheeling works because it is built from the perspective of an=20 improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and into our own = process of=20 making sound. FreeWheeling is open source software, released under = the GNU=20 GPL license. I hope that this will help FreeWheeling grow into a = robust=20 platform for live looping.  For Linux only. Uses the JACK, = ALSA, SDL,=20 OGG, or FluidSynth libraries.  http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what<= SPAN=20 lang=3Den-us>

14. Divine=20 Machine - Born from the ideas = of two=20 music professionals who were unsatisfied with the current loop = software,=20 Devine Machine VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly = explore the=20 possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow = you to=20 create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows = you to=20 have loops match precisely with independent control over groove, = tempo, and=20 score.  Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. = http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html

List compiled = by Krispen=20 Hartung with input from Looper's Delight members, = http://www.krispenhartung =

------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C725D0.05BB8870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 20:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7BF23BF37; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bXSnlkw8ZTwyFx648CpMDHkHev/ZFvY0PowPNha8OgQbgnbzHZ5GRR46T4LOWXlLXz6Bhuv71GsEU2eNhmphGS4S0MCLc1A5hDHPdfiUrGVcBV68sWO3uDE3SG6Un37Iaks0AEEwyuysJ5+GcZv3AAAjkvqnToYqpTD/oqnn6yw=; X-YMail-OSG: aXnVTtIVM1liAreFaC5ZS0GpB89fEzIC0Q2CNJgSzLn.TyXEiFke4ipGXq1CnPw9NiYiDi9lT9ch2xzfcQ2hHFUwREFFz4AioirnMvS1d15UXu.jObEG2g-- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <914677.84051.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:56:52 +0000 (UTC) wonderful Kris! Merry X-mas to you and to all of u loopheads! Luis --- Richard Sales wrote: > Hey Kris > > The philosophical ramblings or rants or whatever you > called it are part > of why I keep opening the messages! I think it > would be a huge shame > to shut down anyone's thoughts or opinions. It's > all about learning > and being stimulated to be more creative and > thoughtful in our music > and all we do. So there! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 22-Dec-06, at 11:48 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Hello fellow Loopers, > > > > I'd like to wish you all a very special holiday > season with your > > friends and family!  Drink, eat, loop, and be > merry...and thanks for > > putting up with my philosophical rantings on the > list. > > > > Just a few minutes ago, I finished recording a > Christmas looping song > > for you all - A basic jazz interpretation of Mel > Torme's "The > > Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open > Fire".  I used > > Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over > that), with some > > basic VST effects. I also re-harmonized the chord > changes, just > > slightly, to darken it up a bit and give it that > Hartung spice. :) > > > > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > > *** > > Krispen Hartung > > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > > Performance Calendar: > > > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > CD Baby Discography: > http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 21:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15FAE3BF2A; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <64f2598c579c5abc43b2e882c0cab14e@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Krispen Hartung From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:41:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-22_07:2006-12-22,2006-12-22,2006-12-22 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612220049 Resent-Message-ID: <1Aj-9B.A.6pF.pEFjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Kris; Nice tune/ interpretation. Keep up the "rantings" and have a great=20 holiday. - Paul On Dec 22, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello fellow Loopers, > > I'd like to wish you all a very special holiday season with your=20 > friends and family!=A0 Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for=20= > putting up with my philosophical rantings on the list. > > Just a few minutes ago, I finished recording a Christmas looping song=20= > for you all -=A0A basic jazz interpretation of Mel Torme's "The=20 > Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire".=A0 I used=20 > Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over that), with some=20 > basic VST effects. I also re-harmonized the chord changes, just=20 > slightly,=A0to darken it up a bit and give it that Hartung spice. :) > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm > > Cheers, > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 23:58:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D222C3BF1F; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061222235847.61849.qmail@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wG+4UJIIJrrh/gkLmglKc86tcts7AxQ/uQBFdyeAPmlaXbEDJq1KbP+Vte9ZWOxWnfzS4ZeQV5JdfiO0b90ELE9uJrDV5c+dPj7hXiqUYUSv8veqdyN2cBUOjzRZVMZvpN2D1eKN5AhX1uueKhVL2U8LqlZ9oQgoykCcACeynIA=; X-YMail-OSG: ssFd_UYVM1mUIZ73ilRShnJULeol07ivCeXoP4aYfuQU3csdPwcCc5Iy5SNC9OVkpYXivDFkGtJuFGvlzcK.Y5dmsQh_vWUjy4fVt9VQOsMSANz.MPFQSLgFxQf4WTpcVmc1vyqcs.o.eVbnM0zSrN78Kb0Ii9PLyw-- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Earliest Music Gear I Went Ga-Ga Over To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200a0f8ca335d01683d8f22b6d00844d@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:58:49 +0000 (UTC) --- Richard Sales wrote: > Very nice music, Tim. Only one mistake - i LOVE > the band name The > Bumping Uglies! Ha, the one gig we were booked to do under that name had it mangled on the marquee as "The Ugly Bumpkins"; it was then and there (BEFORE the show) that we switched to the name people already knew. :) -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 02:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33923BF07; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w3Wx34WQ6GTCHfV1T3WnzOfVf7DK8C5m9UcQ/1vPW3bHqgLQVurr52vs6k3mGttfXFkMkhLllaOEVgPWondxSP6wPIswp7kbs0wMEqH2mQ95XZzCUQvvS5JsFFMhimTN+p+bbtymcwoVMYzYU33Kb/QcP3OQCYl26H21o1TRMM0= ; Message-ID: <20061223022945.14406.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ryNQOjQVM1lTTyxtCTiTi1nBf0TCjAZvyibKSnNdipm2Zqyj9b8HumVOaIdJPLvZf80x8sZZQpEVsqohXtNl5bZqgxH.p3fTq7LBiF1aiph.PNNRuHX72Rs.dKspA0hKDMShDZw.nly_6HQ- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Alt controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1DsfRC.A.u1G.aSJjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:29:46 +0000 (UTC) After a somewhat frustrating hour with Hipno and my Panasonic camcorder as a webcam (The Panasonic PV-GS300 works great as a webcam, btw) I gave up on it. I found the best way to make it work was to have very good lighting, but usually I can't attain this in my studio... or I should say I don't want to attain this. Also, the plug-ins themselves seemed similar to other Reaktor ens I already have. (though pretty damn cool) So... My Christmas present to myself was the Alesis Photon X25. Found a store on ebay selling them for $129 refurbs. Hopefully the issues they had were repaired. I figure for $129, how could you go wrong? Even if all it does is give me 3 CCs from the IR sensor array it's worth that. M --- mech wrote: > At 12:08 PM -0800 12/21/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > >--- mech wrote: > > > Alesis Photon X25 MIDI Keyboard. > > > >Yeah, I heard so many bad things about the Photon I > >just forgot about it even though it seems pretty > cool. > > Also it's another keyboard I have no real use > for... > >but I do have rack arms on my keyboard stand that > are empty... > > Oh, I hear ya. Mine has aggravated me so much, I > even left one of > the nastygram reviews over on Harmony Central about > it. Although > this conversation has started me thinking about > whether there's any > way to chainsaw this puppy into a form factor closer > to the AirFX. > Heck, I wonder if I could find a broken AirFX and > transfer the guts > from the AXYZ controller into that instead.... > > --m. > -- > _______ > "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is > a drunk > librarian who won't shut up..." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 08:07:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F603BEEE; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qRzG75d7sZu+87Yiz69qdwRnXYzQ6p54+olz8nytJQ4k/gUkaa1d9o1e56RK46qOokE/LAY7ST/QIufWqOcmsfT34Z4Sp051AEswxR2KjiExccBEIGeHqzO0dpVRkY+SjQeuJ2lGDawuyuNS7KivMfeC6hzgR+oTBBan1nnaiD0= Message-ID: <339c30110612230007w607d2cc0l8792803a8a537dae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:07:15 +0800 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) In-Reply-To: <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2687_24155130.1166861235543" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:07:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2687_24155130.1166861235543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi Kris, you might want to consider : relofter, VST under windows http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=9&p=5&kat=0 Relofter is a Wave Looper/Mangler. > It can Record from Audio Input (when Record Button is on) or Load Audio > Files from Disk via Drag and Drop. > kluppe, under linux http://kluppe.klingt.org/ kluppe is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use. also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping software? best Michael -- networking practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net ------=_Part_2687_24155130.1166861235543 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi Kris,

you might want to consider :


relofter, VST under windows  http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=9&p=5&kat=0

Relofter is a Wave Looper/Mangler.
It can Record from Audio Input (when Record Button is on) or Load Audio Files from Disk via Drag and Drop.

kluppe, under linux  http://kluppe.klingt.org/

kluppe is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use.

also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping software?

best

Michael 

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networking practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net ------=_Part_2687_24155130.1166861235543-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 09:15:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F443BEEA; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 04:17:28 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Starts In Less Than Two Hours From Now To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <458CF428.4020804@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 23 at 6:00 am (EST / GMT-5). I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also spin music from the new Beatles "Love" CD. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 17:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39D73BED5; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=n1IVB5w9GiXLB9/dPLTceHy+KAryBWp7qcQ1KcPuj57xUz5XPGA/NIMARzXnf5SVZfGyigI+26mSPR4Iwq8upsGPqeY4M6KXAyYI5zIa+pi+bdJC+/+Avlg8rwGdzyikXIeuFFuhkpW1U6L16LMfUWempiiXG07x7tYhQV49Tdk=; X-YMail-OSG: Pc2bNKAVM1loK46x3qN44EdZf98zK7wiJIZCYl1X8meBt8C2SnqmFQJ_fDyuX8191OyGUrANYyNBDoLpWa3pToQeGfrbWr8XnpzAfZPPpd6Mb7oQWyr6cfkKd0wnAGUPw4aA_3z3bZkReQ-- Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Redsound looper back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64f2598c579c5abc43b2e882c0cab14e@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <159173.38624.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey, this caught my eye this morning... http://www.audiomidi.com/SoundBite-XL-P8777.aspx?CPID=2257 Not geared to guitar, but seems like it could be a good addition to a laptop looper's setup. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 17:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900783BEF3; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Xfg3L/TulYLkwZk+317jUNPXz6Ouv2XIaB6S2QUh0bnEvoyj777EDLaOs7CyO2JI; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'Krispen Hartung'" , Subject: RE: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:38:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7268F.3FFC8100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccmJLvbtpEuetGWSRWGHf98PtE3tQAk5DOQ In-Reply-To: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd28c71416e2fa56460d265872218bf3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.68.161.225 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7268F.3FFC8100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice interpretation, Kris!!! Thanks always for the inspiration---I believe we ALL appreciate it here on LD. I haven't posted in awhile, yet I lurk.2006 was one of THOSE years. Looking forward to the future on many levels.who's with me, here?!?!? LOL. Peace. Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas PS 2007 will be the year that I finally "break out" and do something with my looping talent. Rig reconfig, new teacher, update my space, etc.! Ideas!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7268F.3FFC8100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice interpretation, Kris!!! Thanks = always for the inspiration---I believe we ALL appreciate it here on = LD…

 

I haven’t posted in awhile, = yet I lurk…2006 was one of THOSE years. Looking forward to the future on = many levels…who’s with me, here?!?!? = LOL.

 

Peace.

 

Ed in = NJ

http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas

 

PS 2007 will be the year that I = finally “break out” and do something with my looping talent. Rig reconfig, new = teacher, update my space, etc.! Ideas!!!

 

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C7268F.3FFC8100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 19:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6793BEEA; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=U9Uuwbg3/vDVVzQpAicqrSiGscsNDophPiQ5BzIhCQ+vNjjlTyP5pf1SQIRQAjjwYnpNUIBnzVC4JUtXmG4t7CEeyo202owV4sovAc616had8WoXmoRvu9vWdFF7CYtXm0n/OrhSITJXDr3pXgjvOIhuIiX1Tb3c3oJ1CgFBefs= Message-ID: <9e0440a60612231144v2580e0ecwd30fe224d2c1962e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:44:35 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59758_20886414.1166903075919" Resent-Message-ID: <-Qd_1D.A.bXE.kcYjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:44:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_59758_20886414.1166903075919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'd like to echo Krispen's words of well wishes for this holiday season to all on Loopers-Delight. It's a new community to me that I joined shortly after the Y2K fest. The list has brought me an incredibly eye-opener to all the creative souls out there doing unique and unusual things. I want to say thanks for the openness of sharing that the list embraces as well as sending Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanzaa and Merry Happy whatever other seasonal observings that are celebrated this month to all on Loopers-Delight. All good creative things in 2007 (is anyone on the list old enough to recall the forthcoming of 2001: A Space Odyssey other than I!.. showing my years) Cheers and all good things Jim Post if you are on My Space and have interest in "friending" me and networking visit my links below... -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (Chinapainting with Daryl Shawn) - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_59758_20886414.1166903075919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'd like to echo Krispen's words of well wishes for this holiday season to all on Loopers-Delight.  It's a new community to me that I joined shortly after the Y2K fest.  The list has brought me an incredibly eye-opener to all the creative souls out there doing unique and unusual things.  I want to say thanks for the openness of sharing that the list embraces as well as sending Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Kwanzaa and Merry Happy whatever other seasonal observings that are celebrated this month to all on Loopers-Delight.  All good creative things in 2007 (is anyone on the list old enough to recall the forthcoming of 2001: A Space Odyssey other than I!.. showing my years)
 
Cheers and all good things
 
Jim
 
Post if you are on My Space and have interest in "friending" me and networking visit my links below...

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (Chinapainting with Daryl Shawn) - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_59758_20886414.1166903075919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:11:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88F623BED9; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:11:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_ulXlC.A.2PF.i1YjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:11:14 +0000 (UTC) At 9:53 AM -0700 12/22/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm > >I am still missing some programs. Howzabout Jeff Kaiser's KaiserLooper? :) BTW, I loved your rendition of 'The Christmas Song'. And likewise, Happy Saturnalia, Joyous Yule, Belated Solstice Greetings, and all the traditional well-wishes of the season to you and yours (as well as all of us here on LD). --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:12:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E390F3BEFA; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <139d01c726ce$b02483d0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9e0440a60612231144v2580e0ecwd30fe224d2c1962e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:12:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_i5Sy.A._WF.32YjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- ...anyone on the list old enough to recall the forthcoming of 2001: A Space Odyssey other than I!.. showing my years) Errr, not me (I'm only 39)...but in 2001, they played the movie here in Boise at a local movie theater. It was outstanding...one of my favorite science fiction movies today. I just with they would finish Morgan Freeman's movie, "Randezvous with Rama", based on Clarke's book. That is my favorite sci-fi book series of all time (along with 2001, 2010, 2062, and 3001). Supposedly Intel is involved and there will be some amazing computer animation....can't wait to see the bots in action. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:15:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758493BEFB; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061223022945.14406.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061223022945.14406.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:15:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Alt controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) At 6:29 PM -0800 12/22/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > >My Christmas present to myself was the Alesis Photon >X25. Found a store on ebay selling them for $129 >refurbs. Hopefully the issues they had were repaired. > I figure for $129, how could you go wrong? Even if >all it does is give me 3 CCs from the IR sensor array >it's worth that. Excellent! That's exactly the right attitude. I agree that it's worth $129 for, as you say, "3 CCs from the IR sensor array". I really hope you don't experience as many troubles with yours as I've had. Just remember, though, anything beyond the AXYZ controller is cake. :) --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:17:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63E43BEFC; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AqdEVR8EttbW1C3fecBHIbcL2D2k90M2Xc2VZl4L6bV1na86rMp01Qbmuc3j8tOp; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <18122765.1166905058595.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:17:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Tom Heasley Reply-To: Tom Heasley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd483390f575f6dd765cb9d6426434d63bd12601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:17:39 +0000 (UTC)
Yes, Happy Holidays to all you loopy people.  And (to borrow a lick from Stu Dempster) a Happy New Y(ear). - Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Goodin
Sent: Dec 23, 2006 11:44 AM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List 


Tom Heasley
www.tomheasley.com
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:17:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4133D3BF0B; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ggrjgimb8CgPQ+GEf7+51zxh+UrxWnveVcq+OT6RsTzpA/vmzrWxJq9CxvlnUp69; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <8474837.1166905058983.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:17:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Tom Heasley Reply-To: Tom Heasley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd483390f575f6dd765c9bc056560c0b08242601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:17:40 +0000 (UTC)
Yes, Happy Holidays to all you loopy people.  And (to borrow a lick from Stu Dempster) a Happy New Y(ear). - Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Goodin
Sent: Dec 23, 2006 11:44 AM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List 


Tom Heasley
www.tomheasley.com
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 20:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE283BEE9; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13aa01c726d0$da8571a0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <339c30110612230007w607d2cc0l8792803a8a537dae@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:28:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_13A7_01C72696.2D70B720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:28:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_13A7_01C72696.2D70B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got em'. Thanks. Yes, I'll add the looping components of Audiomulch, as = well as those for Pluggo, Reaktor, etc. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael noble=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) hi Kris, you might want to consider : relofter, VST under windows = http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=3D9&p=3D5&kat=3D0=20 Relofter is a Wave Looper/Mangler. It can Record from Audio Input (when Record Button is on) or Load = Audio Files from Disk via Drag and Drop. kluppe, under linux http://kluppe.klingt.org/ kluppe is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use. also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper = contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping software? best=20 Michael =20 --=20 networking practice for sound environments :: = http://nowhere.iamnobody.net ------=_NextPart_000_13A7_01C72696.2D70B720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got em'. Thanks. Yes, I'll add the = looping=20 components of Audiomulch, as well as those for Pluggo, Reaktor,=20 etc.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael = noble=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 23, = 2006 1:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: FINAL List of = Looping=20 Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

hi Kris,

you might want to consider=20 :


relofter, VST under windows  http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=3D9&p=3D5&kat=3D= 0=20

Relofter=20 is a Wave Looper/Mangler.
It can Record from Audio Input (when = Record=20 Button is on) or Load Audio Files from Disk via Drag and=20 Drop.

kluppe, under linux  http://kluppe.klingt.org/

kluppe=20 is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use.

also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper=20 contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping=20 software?

best

Michael 

-- =
networking=20 practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net = ------=_NextPart_000_13A7_01C72696.2D70B720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 02:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E733BEEA; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13fe01c72700$bbf446a0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <339c30110612230007w607d2cc0l8792803a8a537dae@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_13FB_01C726C6.0EED6ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:10:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_13FB_01C726C6.0EED6ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, or anyone who has Audiomulch, can you send me a description of = the livelooper and canon looper of the program? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael noble=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, = Standalone, etc) hi Kris, you might want to consider : relofter, VST under windows = http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=3D9&p=3D5&kat=3D0=20 Relofter is a Wave Looper/Mangler. It can Record from Audio Input (when Record Button is on) or Load = Audio Files from Disk via Drag and Drop. kluppe, under linux http://kluppe.klingt.org/ kluppe is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use. also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper = contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping software? best=20 Michael =20 --=20 networking practice for sound environments :: = http://nowhere.iamnobody.net ------=_NextPart_000_13FB_01C726C6.0EED6ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael, or anyone who has Audiomulch, = can you send=20 me a description of the livelooper and canon looper of the = program?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael = noble=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 23, = 2006 1:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: FINAL List of = Looping=20 Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc)

hi Kris,

you might want to consider=20 :


relofter, VST under windows  http://andreas.smartelectronix.com/index.php?nav=3D9&p=3D5&kat=3D= 0=20

Relofter=20 is a Wave Looper/Mangler.
It can Record from Audio Input (when = Record=20 Button is on) or Load Audio Files from Disk via Drag and=20 Drop.

kluppe, under linux  http://kluppe.klingt.org/

kluppe=20 is a loop-player and recorder, designed for live use.

also Audiomulch includes both the Livelooper and Canonlooper=20 contraptions, but perhaps you only want standalone looping=20 software?

best

Michael 

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networking=20 practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net = ------=_NextPart_000_13FB_01C726C6.0EED6ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 02:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B5243BEEA; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <140701c72702$b9ddd7d0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B028E2ED9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <07af01c725e9$aa163be0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:25:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <528sgC.A.woB.EUejFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Got Kaiser's in there now. Jeff, can you send me a better description than what I wrote? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: FINAL List of Looping Plugins (VST, RTAS, DirectX, Standalone, etc) > At 9:53 AM -0700 12/22/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm >> >>I am still missing some programs. > > Howzabout Jeff Kaiser's KaiserLooper? :) > > BTW, I loved your rendition of 'The Christmas Song'. And likewise, Happy > Saturnalia, Joyous Yule, Belated Solstice Greetings, and all the > traditional well-wishes of the season to you and yours (as well as all of > us here on LD). > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 14:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E983BED3; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:27:54 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Merry Christmas to you all, loopers; and have nice holydays with your family, friends and... with more time to play music. fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 16:58:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA3B3BED2; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--306310591 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:57:30 -0800 To: fabio anile X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--306310591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nice music Fabio! Ho Ho Ho to all!!! And may the new year bring you millions of miraculous moments. Anything's possible richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 24-Dec-06, at 5:27 AM, fabio anile wrote: > Merry Christmas to you all, loopers; and have nice holydays with your > family, friends and... with more time to play music. > fabio > > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > --Apple-Mail-3--306310591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Nice music Fabio! Ho Ho Ho to all!!! And may the new year bring you millions of miraculous moments. Anything's possible Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 24-Dec-06, at 5:27 AM, fabio anile wrote: Merry Christmas to you all, loopers; and have nice holydays with your family, friends and... with more time to play music. fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo --Apple-Mail-3--306310591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 17:08:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BEF83BEE7; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <139d01c726ce$b02483d0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <9e0440a60612231144v2580e0ecwd30fe224d2c1962e@mail.gmail.com> <139d01c726ce$b02483d0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:08:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Kris, They're filming that? Wow! It's a fave of mine as well. Can't wait. I much enjoyed the holiday MP3. Happy Christmas to you and yours. Best regards, Ted Killian On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Randezvous with Rama From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 19:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A1863BEDD; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Happy Holidays!!! Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:04:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <07d801c72602$178523e0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22944 Message-Id: <8C8F5A56C3F40A2-D4C-3F70@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:04:16 +0000 (UTC) ABCDEFGHIJKMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 19:07:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA9B3BEDD; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PBp8SGcSpJ9DD6FBNm1BGyUUjKmC6BwXYACV5LboM+fr/ey4MkGsW8q3A4dUObEz43cAT8WQ9qZhFE1XgX/kT3suLdQe869fA2d0+TCHxki4Rcq7CPL5tO4weIDYnhzZ4YlfDlUreu7qqEFPMR1LwAvuv0nh3Mk9nyUzx4MEPcE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0612241107h7b2040e6p900ccdde7d7e24d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:07:10 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: group loop syncing In-Reply-To: <3B74F4FD3022A64C91BAF372788B18C1F3F32D@EMMA.personal.adp.ltu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57432_11587446.1166987230080" References: <3B74F4FD3022A64C91BAF372788B18C1F3F32D@EMMA.personal.adp.ltu.se> Resent-Message-ID: <-5t7ZB.A.5qE.e_sjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:07:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57432_11587446.1166987230080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 12/22/06, Peter Tikkanen wrote: > > > I've checked out the echoplex, and that's a wonderful piece if you don't > take a look on the price... > Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a while getting something > to eat. :) > Is there any less expensive alternatives? > > Is there any computer software to use? > You should be able to play group looping impro with Mobius in a similar way you may do with three echoplexes run in Brother Sync. Use a computer with an audio interface that provides multiple inputs, bring each players audio into a separate track in Mobius. For looping techniques each such Track in Mobius equals a brother-synced ("stereo") Echoplex (EDP). There are some details for the set up preferences, but you can find that in the manual. Mobius is a free download for XP and has a rather good manual. Parts of the EDP manual is also to good help to get on with Mobius. Merry Christmas!!! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_57432_11587446.1166987230080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 12/22/06, Peter Tikkanen <Peter.Tikkanen@ltu.se> wrote:

I've checked out the echoplex, and that's a wonderful piece if you don't take a look on the price...
Three of theese "toys" and we need to play for a while getting something to eat. :)
 Is there any less expensive alternatives?
 
Is there any computer software to use?

 

You should be able to play group looping impro with Mobius in a similar way you may do with three echoplexes run in Brother Sync. Use a computer with an audio interface that provides multiple inputs, bring each players audio into a separate track in Mobius. For looping techniques each such Track in Mobius equals a brother-synced ("stereo") Echoplex (EDP). There are some details for the set up preferences, but you can find that in the manual. Mobius is a free download for XP and has a  rather good manual. Parts of the EDP manual is also to good help to get on with Mobius.

Merry Christmas!!!

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_57432_11587446.1166987230080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 19:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9AF93BEE7; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14ca01c72792$d8121280$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9e0440a60612231144v2580e0ecwd30fe224d2c1962e@mail.gmail.com> <139d01c726ce$b02483d0$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:36:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Yep, filming and creating the massive animation. This will be one of those movies I hope to continue and make the whole series, following with The Return of Rama and Rama Revealed. It's a truly magnificent story in the context of the history of science fiction. ...except they've been incredibly cryptic about the whole thing. The official website is very nebulous. http://www.rendezvouswithrama.com/ Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List > Kris, > They're filming that? Wow! It's a fave of mine as well. Can't wait. > > I much enjoyed the holiday MP3. > > Happy Christmas to you and yours. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > On Dec 23, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Randezvous with Rama > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 21:08:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8541A3BED5; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:08:25 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Merry X'mas Loopers of the World! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c7279f$a8d36ca0$79add4da@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/pAxDO3QYHluXZxXT+Pg0Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:08:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/pAxDO3QYHluXZxXT+Pg0Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just wanna wish one and all, loved ones and all in the family at Looper's Delight a Merry X'mas and a Happier New Year! It's been a wonderful year for me and I look forward to hearing and sharing more great stuff in the year and years to come. Randolf Arriola from Singapore http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo --Boundary_(ID_/pAxDO3QYHluXZxXT+Pg0Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Just wanna wish one and all, loved ones and all in the family at Looper's Delight a Merry X'mas and a Happier New Year!
It's been a wonderful year for me and I look forward to hearing and sharing more great stuff in the year and years to come.
 
--Boundary_(ID_/pAxDO3QYHluXZxXT+Pg0Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 21:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F8A3BEDF; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eYBYz/nH2jIc0QVwkrZYXZwg2RCRnqE+7KMEJAAwbwphT1DU+UfoWl1XSpz/Mv6L2g2plizjqzscpjWKk03QsjCH7bW5x83lFNJLkvL+wI0EykGy2/QemnTsMS4m9jDBlWZ1cp80DQ5b5KC2AR8/csLqIpE84IaGFxW+SOaq3Ag= Message-ID: <64b81a780612241316q339ec217rc8419e1a8ad29036@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:16:57 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:17:00 +0000 (UTC) On 12/24/06, Richard Sales wrote: > Ho Ho Ho to all!!! And may the new year bring you millions of > miraculous moments. Richard, I did the math and to have one million miraculous moments this year means that I'll have to have 2739.726 miraculous moments each day. That's approximately one miraculous moment for every ten breaths. That's a tall order, but I'll try. As you say, anything's possible. :) Happy Holidays, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 21:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D96A3BED5; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Looping Holiday Videos Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c727a5$11f42ad0$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C7277B.291E22D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccnpRGUcN0Tm5qNQ1q2qm/SzUy+Hg== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C7277B.291E22D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some holiday loopy-ness recorded for daytime TV...(its a DL4 I'm using)....Holiday songs work well for looping. I wish everyone well and goodwill toward women, men, all creatures and our Earth this season. >From the CBS show Studio 10 last week...here is the video: Angels We Have Heard on High >From the CBS show Saturday Soundcheck ...check them out: Carol of the Bells God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen MerryMerry, lots of cakes and such, Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C7277B.291E22D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some holiday loopy-ness recorded for = daytime=20 TV...(its a DL4 I'm using)....Holiday songs work well for looping. =

I wish everyone well and goodwill toward = women, men,=20 all creatures and our Earth this season.

From the CBS = show Studio=20 10  last week...here is the video:
Angels=20 We Have Heard on High

From the CBS show Saturday Soundcheck ...check = them=20 out:
Carol=20 of the Bells
God=20 Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen

MerryMerry, lots of cakes and such,

Dave Eichenberger-
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------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C7277B.291E22D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 21:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6373BED3; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 16:56:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 23, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <458EF78D.3060801@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:54:34 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/061223.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #99 December 23, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was preempted in order to cover more territory in Phase I. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Ian Boddy] Ecliptic E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [Ian Boddy] The Mystic E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [Rich & Boddy] Edge of Nowhere E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [DBKAOS] After the Migration E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [Russell Storey] Cosmic Kiwi part 1 Analogy Vol. 2 (Groove) VA [James J. Clent] Black Tails Analogy Vol. 2 (Groove) VA [Craig Padilla] Improbability Drive Analogy Vol. 2 (Groove) Padilla & Murphy Sleepwalking Phantasma (Groove) Padilla & Murphy A Midnight Muse Phantasma (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Beatles Because Love (Apple) The Beatles Get Back Love (Apple) The Beatles Glass Onion Love (Apple) The Beatles Eleanor Rigby/Julia Love (Apple) The Beatles I Am the Walrus Love (Apple) The Beatles I Want To Hold Your Love (Apple) Hand The Beatles Drive My Car/The Love (Apple) Word/What You're Doing The Beatles gniK nuS Love (Apple) The Beatles Something/Blue Jay Love (Apple) Way The Beatles Being For the Bene- Love (Apple) fit of Mr. Kite!/I Want You (She's So Heavy)/Helter Skelter The Beatles Help! Love (Apple) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Yes Starship Trooper Extended Versions (BMG) Man On Fire Prayer in the The Undefined Design Moonlight (Progrock) Man On Fire Bitter Tears Burning The Undefined Design (Progrock) Man On Fire Ascension The Undefined Design (Progrock) VA [Randy Jackson & Distant Early Subdivisions (Magna Carta) Daniel J.] Warning Proto~Kaw Theophany Before Became After (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on January 13. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 22:05:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AC033BEE7; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:07:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #507 for December 21, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <458EFA34.7010008@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <_-7QyD.A.epB.vmvjFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061221.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #508 December 21, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Autumn's Apple" on Lotuspike Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Darshan Ambient: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Fear Falls Burning I'm One of Those I'm One of Those Monsters Numb Monsters * With Grace (Equation) VA [Andy Pickford] Maelstrom Sequences No. 13 Richard Pinhas Tikkum (part 2) Metatron (Cuneiform) Rudy Adrian Three Views of a Moonwater (Lotuspike) Japanese Garden, part 2 Redshift Glide Toll (Distant Sun) Klaus Schulze Bayreuth Return * Timewind (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Darshan Ambient Azure Day Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Deep Garden Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Pastorale Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Acre of Sun Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Sea Stars for Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Tristen Darshan Ambient Rain Parade Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Pebble In My Shoe Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Autumn's Apple Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Main In the Window Autumn's Apple (Lotuspike) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Re:Karma" on Lotuspike Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 23:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17313BED6; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780612241316q339ec217rc8419e1a8ad29036@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b81a780612241316q339ec217rc8419e1a8ad29036@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--282440860 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Merry Holidays to all on the Loopers List Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:35:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:35:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--282440860 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I did the math and to have one million miraculous moments this year > means that I'll have to have 2739.726 miraculous moments each day. > That's approximately one miraculous moment for every ten breaths. That sounds about right, Todd. Might make it hard to smoke, if you're so inclined. > That's a tall order, but I'll try. As you say, anything's possible. Well, I figured, "Aim high." richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > :) > > Happy Holidays, > Todd > --Apple-Mail-1--282440860 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I did the math and to have one million miraculous moments this year means that I'll have to have 2739.726 miraculous moments each day. That's approximately one miraculous moment for every ten breaths. That sounds about right, Todd. Might make it hard to smoke, if you're so inclined. That's a tall order, but I'll try. As you say, anything's possible. Well, I figured, "Aim high." Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com :) Happy Holidays, Todd --Apple-Mail-1--282440860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 03:40:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A893BED8; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061223080717.7BDB23BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: podcast op Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:40:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2006 03:40:40.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[729B6660:01C727D6] Resent-Message-ID: <83OTxD.A.Wt.6g0jFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 03:40:43 +0000 (UTC) http://musicnerve.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=32/ _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 10:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC7F3BED6; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061225100137.6464.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=M3eBPz7cS+bU6EfccpQt1CFuxqd6wTbIv6mZFloxsYWroUSLm0ULNibt8o9D3Ej7Xi1tscDtkL/iOln98w7LV/wsvCgbcfxy17xWFvS2yyyru25msc56SdxKH9VyYVGov5n/a+gIdrUDozMNJhK9Cd/dB2oD4RqoPLX3eSNxJQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: HRMgzD8VM1msNg1YatD3RgSvZQMfVhrRKwIG1.iwT5vYNp0uyMENLzpddm6hcCfQbSrXullDeQSG3zZcvZK9AxQcm5tP7b10qXn7s_a.tX6qZGxo5iRu8XPtnfxNfEnZ1MtvnsEITuGq Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:01:37 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2082552260-1167040897=:5795" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:01:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-2082552260-1167040897=:5795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Merry Christmas ! Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? Any tips ! best regards Rune Fagereng www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --------------------------------- Alt i én. Få Yahoo! 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eBay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 16:31:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF5463BED0; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:31:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: <20061222183157.1528.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061222183157.1528.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20061225163124.0E2363BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Season's Greetings to you all. Here is my own contribution, a rendition of Carol of the bells. ( www.haslem.ca/christmas ) Quite simple, hammered dulcimer, hand drum and didgeridoo. I've enjoyed the past year, learned some new tricks from you all, and am enjoying playing more than ever. May the muse touch you all, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.ducify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 16:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82D2A3BEDD; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rvbpGWv8QGeyJ6yyphErisrMYo37jobBmBV6MVHAqyPucgjZhsLQF5tukOxkF298lFVh07XsLSKiPtADs+d1mKLrWAejVxcf+1iL/mbLFhtqnnK8hKAE/CWg38CGPeSWgsiiTvjFIjlhMOmNNXQGZwKY22Oel9Vu/WheRijYDu8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0612250837w3b5c1b29u2a1a485bcd5feda3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:37:09 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? In-Reply-To: <20061225100137.6464.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_62092_5734063.1167064629740" References: <20061225100137.6464.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0eMhr.A.34B.34_jFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_62092_5734063.1167064629740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 12/25/06, rune fagereng wrote: > > Merry Christmas ! > > Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? Any tips = ! > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med > adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. > > I used these ways to hook up gear with my repeater for guitar work: - Daisy Chaining (gear1 --> --> gear 2 --> Repeater input). - Putting gear in the Repeaters effect loop. - Putting Repeater and other gear connected to a mixer. They all work differently and I kind of changed it all around depending on what (and how) I felt like playing and looping. The gear I hooked up to the Repteater were: - Another looper (EDP), - Analog filter bank (as well as distortion unit), - Hardware reverb. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_62092_5734063.1167064629740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
On 12/25/06, rune fagereng <rune_fager= eng@yahoo.no> wrote:
Merry Christmas !
 
Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? Any ti= ps !
Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail = med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk.

I used these ways to hook up gear with my repeater for guitar work:
- Daisy Chaining (gear1 --> --> gear 2 --> Repeater input).
- Putting gear in the Repeaters effect loop.
- Putting Repeater and other gear connected to a mixer.
 
They all work differently and I kind of changed it all around dependin= g on what (and how) I felt like playing and looping. The gear I hooked up t= o the Repteater were:
- Another looper (EDP),
- Analog filter bank (as well as distortion unit),
- Hardware reverb.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boys= en
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom
------=_Part_62092_5734063.1167064629740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 17:25:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152083BECF; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BRQR9KRotQmrvjlfkXuQ+VoMrC7HS1BqDpchvfrD1jN2PR44OsnJdxGn/4SfTz1PzJYJ9V3v96KndZ+GwngyW40nJKaOkaWi1g4027PXdmz00xkm1bGSZEl/RASheyYj7WP7GJKY1ghcXASvY5rj3gjx/2AmrcowHpFNQItwOME=; X-YMail-OSG: EbYiF3UVM1lllFf1iR9hriAIGclvWX3ZS5EB0z_9e92IJa7AEhgvdtLamw2MSE8SYw-- Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Guitarists-How do you hook up your equipment with the Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0612250837w3b5c1b29u2a1a485bcd5feda3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <526133.96929.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) I found the Repeater did it's best (and hid it's short commings) when it was in the effects loop of a decent mixer. I have a cheap soundcraft that works pretty well and an even cheaper Behringer that I used to take out to gigs. I think a lot of people's complaints about the Repeater's noise floor came from people who used the front instrument input and/or plugged the output into a guitar amp of some sort. I'm sure the Repeater doesn't have the best S/R but hooked up correctly it was pretty decent. (there's also a mod which will get you a few more db of dynamic range) In my Repeater's loop was a Korg KAOSS pad and a dbx stereo compressor/expander. The KAOSS pad was for pure loop mangleage and the dbx was to reign it in when it got a bit too out of control as the KP-2 can get. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 21:35:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596263BED3; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: cameron street Subject: Boss RC-2 LoopStation Pedal? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:36:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at oaamta04sl.mx.bigpond.com from [144.138.217.172] using ID streetmusic@bigpond.com at Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:35:30 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Anyone try the new Boos RC-2 Loop Station yet? I'm wondering what the Bit Rate is ect, i can't find ant info on the record/playback quality. Thanks cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 04:17:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B9953BED2; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15c701c728a4$cd9c7940$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fw: Boss RC-2 LoopStation Pedal? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:17:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:17:51 +0000 (UTC) I have the RC-2, as a backup unit, but oddly enough the user guide does not specify bit rate. However, I think it is the same as the RC-20, if you know what that is. As usual, Roland/Boss, makes it almost impossible to find some of their user guides, and they don't link it to the RC-2 page, but it is embedded in the Boss user guide database here: http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manuals/RC-2_OM.pdf Also, Per, can you update your comparison page with this data? See below, in order of the horizontal cells for the RC2 entry. Kris Boss RC-2 yes No yes No yes No no Yes (can save loops to a preset and recall at a later time) no no no Yes, sort of (you can alter playback tempo without altering pitch, with saved loop tracks only) yes 11 (this is max numbe of saved loops, not loops within a saved track) no 2 (Main and Aux) No 16 min mono yes battery or AC Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron street" To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Boss RC-2 LoopStation Pedal? > Anyone try the new Boos RC-2 Loop Station yet? > I'm wondering what the Bit Rate is ect, i can't find ant info on the > record/playback quality. > Thanks > cam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 09:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0123F3BED3; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f301c728cf$d0ef3f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped instrument? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 01:25:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:25:41 +0000 (UTC) This guy at MIT has developed a walkman with binaural microphones attached to it that uses a chip which makes the ambient sound vocode synthetic sounds so that everything you listen to creates music as you walk around. http://web.media.mit.edu/~nvawter/thesis/index.html I suppose if one walked around in a perfect circle at a constant speed in an ambient environment with this instrument that you'd create a physical loop with the resultant sound. I can't figure out how to contact him ,but if they aren't too pricey I want to get one of these. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 11:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9373BEDC; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hdbJ8FFPY4oFemVblVtBEuU+btbmATonpH9DKmBXv5lJXlU1mixZYa4l2+njkf97DWTO262ntO1eznXAFSYG62ZhMm5riwwikTHaSMXvsyChRI/RsBNYar59PBC7Js5mFX7yr9Ye+WPozC3Vt4gN21ZJvqWePdXV+eSWZxpe+Cg=; X-YMail-OSG: 58gSHyQVM1lFHtG7b6l7yP0z3S9Dth80I4mM.P7RK5OMpc0RVB.NZsEWR1TQPC1ADS3xzQyYXGMVA2Y6G0micHp3MNmd.pHyCkWdyS8l1VUroQsuP04ssw-- Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 03:37:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <42101.76703.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:37:30 +0000 (UTC) cool!!gotta go try it ill let u know how it goes thanx for the tip Cheers Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > The way that I do it is program some FCB buttons to > access loops directly, > so for example button 6 is Loop1, 7=Loop2, 8=Loop3. > Then I start off recording something in Loop1. I > have my autorecord set to > Yes, and switchloop (or whatever that parameter is > called) set to change > loops at the end of the current loop. So now I've > got Loop1 playing, and I > press button 7, which sends a Loop2 command. > The EDP display switches to the lame duck display > while it waits for Loop1 > to complete, then it starts recording in Loop2. > Now Loop2 is going, and I've still got my original > Loop1. If I press > button6 (for Loop1), it goes into lame duck again. > During the lame duck, if > you press button six again, it will then record over > Loop1 just as if you > were doing a loopcopy, or a nextloop into an empty > loop. Super useful for > me. > Let me know if you can't replicate it from that > description and I'll pass on > all my parameters. > > TravisH > > On 12/18/06, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > > > Hey Travis, > > I am not sure i am understanding your mail right, > > perhaps i havent discovered this hidden option,how > do > > you copy an existing loop over another already > > recorded loop?are you talking about perhaps > insert? > > This were the kind of requests i was asking the > > developers before the powerful loop IV came > out!for > > example Next record is an awesome function but the > > best thing thats ever happened to me lately is > setting > > direct access to different loops mapped on the > > FCB1010!anybody that owns and EDP and only uses > the > > EFC-7 doesnt know what he is missing,the EFC-7 is > just > > an appetizer!! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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eB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 14:22:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98AD3BED8; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UL1lW4KlAhI0WzXQ5iwtoOXXx6VXnJe4CWUqvo2gBDMxwF+ki5MItdwwE6jmLl4UK1ZQLZ/wkhaAgsmCOkDHMkAr6efM2YeibYEShiYzTLqmRKFLMBZksjwRxS4mHuc2vLuYBglb+7wWGDQ5XubnVf5CV+RBDrRaMIGy3wtn3kI=; X-YMail-OSG: GbCaHpUVM1n1Lb1RgdH_t0JT9GCc7WTkwYrhT.rudE1Blsec3M6aCCbTjMdevbfznU3GGfTE2tG3lNi5rYoRTUE7M2yru5FDAQyjdfkJSDH8m3a.j5xqyrOMYMl4Fss8Uau8rkr7pLOWtPA- Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 06:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped instrument? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f301c728cf$d0ef3f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <232179.55131.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2rNA1D.A.8LB.mATkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) The first looping application that comes to my mind with this gizmo would involve patching it into a portable minidisc or flash recorder and editing the results later. Or: you could connect it to a battery-powered looper (DL-4, RC-20 et al) and THEN into a portable recorder, loop in real time while walking around and edit the recording later. Michael Klobuchar's 'Jacket With Many Pockets' would come in handy for this! -t- --- RICK WALKER wrote: > This guy at MIT has developed a walkman with > binaural microphones attached > to it > that uses a chip which makes the ambient sound > vocode synthetic sounds so > that > everything you listen to creates music as you walk > around. > > http://web.media.mit.edu/~nvawter/thesis/index.html 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 14:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A2C3BEDC; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped In-Reply-To: <00f301c728cf$d0ef3f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-ID: References: <00f301c728cf$d0ef3f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <81LCzD.A.adB.vDTkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:25:51 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, RICK WALKER wrote: > This guy at MIT has developed a walkman with binaural microphones attached to > it > that uses a chip which makes the ambient sound vocode synthetic sounds so > that > everything you listen to creates music as you walk around. > > http://web.media.mit.edu/~nvawter/thesis/index.html > > I suppose if one walked around in a perfect circle at a constant speed in an > ambient environment > with this instrument that you'd create a physical loop with the resultant > sound. > > I can't figure out how to contact him ,but if they aren't too pricey I want > to get one of these. If you look at the web page you posted the link to up there, his email address is just above the quicktime film on that page. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 18:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EE1D3BEDF; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped instrument? Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:52:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <232179.55131.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22944 Message-Id: <8C8F736282E54C9-D4C-4DE4@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.137 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2HalED.A.Z4E.D-WkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Michael Klobuchar's 'Jacket With Many Pockets' would come in handy for this! -t- i actually put a pair of sunglasses into this jacket and have not been able to figure out how to get them out.....it's sad!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 00:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B653BEB8; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <458EF78D.3060801@soundscapes.us> References: <458EF78D.3060801@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--104997265 Message-Id: <8B3D877D-3ECC-4CEB-B53C-E797EE201529@mac.com> From: darren baldwin Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 23, 2006 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:52:43 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-27_01:2006-12-22,2006-12-22,2006-12-26 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612260045 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:52:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--104997265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed hi there how do i go about getting my music aired on your show. the columbus complex --Apple-Mail-2--104997265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII hi there

how do i go about getting my music aired on your show.

the columbus complex

--Apple-Mail-2--104997265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 05:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61E503BEC2; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 05:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612270524.kBR5OXOJ052451@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com'" Subject: RIP JB Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:24:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72934.3D8DCD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Accpd0sKwa1gLO7OR56tsg/U6ZEUGw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 05:24:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72934.3D8DCD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heaven just got a lot more Funky. Tomorrow night is my last gig with a = funk band I=92ve played in for more than 10 years. We will no doubt be = playing Sex Machine, I=92ve probably played the song a few thousand times, at least, = but tomorrow night I will play it with renewed conviction in honor of the = late, great James Brown.=20 Bill --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/604 - Release Date: = 12/26/2006 12:23 PM =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72934.3D8DCD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Heaven just got a lot more Funky.  Tomorrow = night is my last gig with a funk band I’ve played in for more than 10 years. = We will no doubt be playing Sex Machine, I’ve probably played the song a = few thousand times, at least, but tomorrow night I will play it with renewed conviction in honor of the late, great James Brown. =

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72934.3D8DCD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 08:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593323BECD; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1920.69.59.206.219.1167207061.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <200612270524.kBR5OXOJ052451@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200612270524.kBR5OXOJ052451@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:11:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: RIP JB From: improv@peak.org To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com'" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:11:16 +0000 (UTC) > Heaven just got a lot more Funky. Tomorrow night is my last gig with a > funk > band I’ve played in for more than 10 years. We will no doubt be playing > Sex > Machine, I’ve probably played the song a few thousand times, at least, but > tomorrow night I will play it with renewed conviction in honor of the > late, > great James Brown. > It was a sad, sad Christmas. JB literally rearranged the DNA of music. As a bass player, his grooves are probably my biggest influence, at least, it was only after spending a few years shedding on his grooves that I started getting called back to gigs. "Dig me now, don't worry about later. Dig the dance I used to do, it's called the mashed potato." We've got a pretty big New Years Eve gig, and we're resolved to make it extra funky. Somebody's gotta take it to the bridge... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 14:03:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4273BECF; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:06:03 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 23, 2006 In-reply-to: <9870290.1167181567275.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45927DCB.8080708@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <458EF78D.3060801@soundscapes.us> <9870290.1167181567275.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <7WN12.A.8bG.F1nkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:03:49 +0000 (UTC) darren baldwin wrote: > hi there > how do i go about getting my music aired on your show. Hi Darren, I've sent you a response in private which contains all the usual information and disclaimers. Anyone else interested in airplay may request the same. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 16:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DB6D3BEE1; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:23:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> From: "Ingo Ito" To: Subject: Some ideas needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C729DB.BE051810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: i1hMT1fdjYRmSOfDMFH8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C729DB.BE051810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do = have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no = serious help at all). I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m = working on at the moment). I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music = for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks = from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with = tags etc. . What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all the individual files stay as they are? Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the = quality of such? Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish = everybody on this list a happy new year! Regards and greetings from Spain Ingo ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C729DB.BE051810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,

I know it=B4s a = bit off topic,=20 but maybe some people on this list do have some advice (I tried = some=20 typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at all).
I need some help or recommendations on = the=20 following subject:

I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own = homepage (which I=B4m working on at the moment).
I do work with loops = and=20 sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for = e.g. audio=20 books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 sec to = a few=20 minutes in one album.
This would be a lot of individual = downloading for=20 the people.
 
So I would like to have one file = containing all=20 little mp3 files with tags etc. .
What do you recommend to do = for=20 offering such downloadable file in which all the individual files = stay as=20 they are?
Just a simple Winzip or = Winrar=20 compression? Any experiences with the quality of=20 such?
Or maybe BitTorrent? Or=20 sth.else?
Any suggestions are = appreciated. Thank=20 you very much and I wish everybody on this list a happy new=20 year!
Regards and greetings from=20 Spain
Ingo
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C729DB.BE051810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 16:30:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33983BEE7; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ElRzVtOd6wWiqpCoB0H3ET9Be0/dxSgz9HX4WdFTafqi16+vGaNdRIIuECqmtgP8woiVrWcaexVwwFGJq4ykDvIAlowNbXg/EFCp3Jg9gmj7XVGHEQzNqKdUh13oKUMK5m5vsMThrrdwY6mZjgTGVpDtGXpK5v8wEWsjAZQWHLM= Message-ID: <64b81a780612270830w6cf3cd13t25532a24719e2c7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:30:13 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: <20061225163124.0E2363BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061222183157.1528.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061225163124.0E2363BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6jEagC.A.ETE.Z-pkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Paul, Just listened to the track and loved it. I've always enjoyed the hammered dulcimer and the combination with the didgeridoo is great. Thanks and Season's Greetings to you and yours. Todd On 12/25/06, paul wrote: > Season's Greetings to you all. > Here is my own contribution, a rendition of Carol of the bells. ( > www.haslem.ca/christmas ) Quite simple, hammered dulcimer, hand drum > and didgeridoo. > I've enjoyed the past year, learned some new tricks from you all, and > am enjoying playing more than ever. > May the muse touch you all, > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > www.ducify.ca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 17:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA5B3BEE8; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--46785115 Message-Id: <8e0e55680b8f4164f43028dfbd2a42a8@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:02:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <0fb0vD.A.SwF.MdqkFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--46785115 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think I would use FTP. You'd have to change the password frequently=20= though. I don't think I would zip the files etc. Easier still, why don't you do it through ITunes? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Dec-06, at 8:23 AM, Ingo Ito wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people=A0on this list do=20= > have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no=20 > serious help at all). > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: > > I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m=20= > working on at the moment). > I do work with loops and sometimes=A0they are=A0only=A0tiny=A0pieces = of music=20 > for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3=20 > tracks from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. > =A0 > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with=20= > tags etc. . > What do you recommend to do for offering=A0such downloadable file in=20= > which all the individual files stay as they are? > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the=20= > quality of such? > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish=20 > everybody on this list a happy new year! > Regards and greetings from Spain > Ingo --Apple-Mail-1--46785115 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think I would use FTP. You'd have to change the password frequently though. I don't think I would zip the files etc. =20 Easier still, why don't you do it through ITunes?=20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Dec-06, at 8:23 AM, Ingo Ito wrote: ArialHi = everybody, ArialI know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people=A0on this list do have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at = all). ArialI need some help or recommendations on the following subject: ArialI want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m working on at the = moment). ArialI do work with loops and sometimes=A0they are=A0only=A0tiny=A0pieces of music for e.g. audio = books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. ArialThis would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. =A0 ArialSo I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tags etc. = . ArialWhat do you recommend to do for offering=A0such downloadable file in which all the individual files stay as they are? ArialJust a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality of = such? ArialOr maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? ArialAny suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on this list a happy new year! ArialRegards and greetings from Spain ArialIngo = --Apple-Mail-1--46785115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 17:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7953BEF1; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> In-Reply-To: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> Subject: RE: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:11:47 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <00da01c729da$17ff5fd0$47fe1f70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C72997.09DC1FD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Accp01tNds8pR51oR3i5cf4YtvsbUAABmDyQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:12:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C72997.09DC1FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How big is the file if you zip them? If it=92s relatively small = (5-10M), I=92d just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it directly. Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into multiple zip = files (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever). Zip is easy and standard. Steve Mark LooperTools=99 www.LooperTools.com=20 =20 From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some ideas needed =20 Hi everybody, I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do = have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help = at all). I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m = working on at the moment). I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music = for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks = from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. =20 So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with = tags etc. . What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all the individual files stay as they are? Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the = quality of such? Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish = everybody on this list a happy new year! Regards and greetings from Spain Ingo ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C72997.09DC1FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How big is the file if you zip them?=A0 If it’s relatively small = (5-10M), I’d just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it = directly.=A0 Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into multiple zip files = (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever).=A0 Zip is easy and = standard.

Steve = Mark
LooperTools™
www.LooperTools.com

 =

From:= Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Some ideas needed

 

Hi everybody,

I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list = do have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious = help at all).

I need some help or recommendations on the following subject:

I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m = working on at the moment).
I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for e.g. audio books, and = so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 sec to a few minutes = in one album.

This would be a lot of individual downloading for the = people.

 

So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tags = etc. .

What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all the individual files stay as they are?

Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality = of such?

Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else?

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on = this list a happy new year!

Regards and greetings from Spain
Ingo

------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C72997.09DC1FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 17:33:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC44F3BEE9; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kV2w8EFfn8LC5Rv82CxBEj7qvg/nvRtTZDj065p/KF21lAwDxOvB7rsxW+SCWn2PzP8iK4t70OUsDZF0aT6V3rCkzzQent2CxkGgdfJwlnzembusKNLFHL0Gm+ZKPTiUnjVvzFIf7MvxUR7huREsA7kmCHRD/sPQkrdfKeU91bo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:33:37 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some ideas needed In-Reply-To: <00da01c729da$17ff5fd0$47fe1f70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> <00da01c729da$17ff5fd0$47fe1f70$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Agreed. I'd go with ZIP files. If it's too big to have in one file, split them into several files by theme, or whatever. Just about everybody has ZIP, and it's built into Windows XP now. Tony On 12/27/06, Steve Mark wrote: > > > > > How big is the file if you zip them? If it's relatively small (5-10M), I= 'd > just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it > directly. Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into multiple zip fil= es > (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever). Zip is easy and standard. > > > Steve Mark > LooperTools=99 > www.LooperTools.com > > > > > > > From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Some ideas needed > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do hav= e > some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious he= lp > at all). > > > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: > > I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m wor= king > on at the moment). > I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music fo= r > e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from= 30 > sec to a few minutes in one album. > > > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. > > > > > > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tag= s > etc. . > > > What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all > the individual files stay as they are? > > > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the qual= ity > of such? > > > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? > > > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody= on > this list a happy new year! > > > Regards and greetings from Spain > Ingo --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 18:10:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEF93BEEE; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NE1eOovb/PT8bNw/wi1mkDHCwZ5GcrQvdtLaKYwBt4TR6my7oxqSofGEbxJJ/cpUkeeRh69JGXsfGP6G8BfRdo5zdxwe7pkubAFsvSDJyJ8Xf2hlsOMEpn+4SPeI/W3ISWFl6/QlgWb9BJsbmKUT/N+HUSq+XNLVcecH9DHfqLQ= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10612271010l685917b0sab5af9c79d70c06e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:10:43 -0800 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some ideas needed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83487_29952756.1167243043323" References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> <00da01c729da$17ff5fd0$47fe1f70$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:10:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_83487_29952756.1167243043323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the > quality of such? > Winzip is lossless data compression - what goes in, comes out. Since mp3 and the like do more than just data compression, you will typically not see a further reduction in filesize using Winzip, but you do get the advantage of bundling many small mp3 files. Cheers, Nic On 12/27/06, Tony K wrote: > > Agreed. I'd go with ZIP files. If it's too big to have in one file, > split them into several files by theme, or whatever. Just about > everybody has ZIP, and it's built into Windows XP now. > > Tony > > On 12/27/06, Steve Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How big is the file if you zip them? If it's relatively small (5-10M), > I'd > > just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it > > directly. Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into multiple zip > files > > (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever). Zip is easy and standard. > > > > > > Steve Mark > > LooperTools=99 > > www.LooperTools.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Some ideas needed > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do h= ave > > some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious > help > > at all). > > > > > > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: > > > > I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m > working > > on at the moment). > > I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music > for > > e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks > from 30 > > sec to a few minutes in one album. > > > > > > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with > tags > > etc. . > > > > > > What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in whic= h > all > > the individual files stay as they are? > > > > > > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the > quality > > of such? > > > > > > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? > > > > > > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish > everybody on > > this list a happy new year! > > > > > > Regards and greetings from Spain > > Ingo > > > -- > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > > --=20 Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_Part_83487_29952756.1167243043323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Just a simple Winzip or Winrar=20 compression? Any experiences with the quality of=20 such?

Winzip is lossless data compression - what goes in, comes out.

S= ince mp3 and the like do more than just data compression, you will typicall= y not see a further reduction in filesize using Winzip, but you do get the = advantage of bundling many small mp3 files.

Cheers,
Nic


On 12/27= /06, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.  I'd go with ZIP files.  If it's too bi= g to have in one file,
split them into several files by theme, or whatev= er.  Just about
everybody has ZIP, and it's built into Win= dows XP now.

Tony

On 12/27/06, Steve Mark <steve@otm= s.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> How big is the= file if you zip them?  If it's relatively small (5-10M), I&#= 39;d
> just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it> directly.  Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into mu= ltiple zip files
> (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever). =  Zip is easy and standard.
>
>
> Steve Mark
>  LooperTools=99
&g= t;  www.LooperTools.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ingo Ito [m= ailto: ito@itofarm.com]
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 = 8:24 AM
>  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>  Subje= ct: Some ideas needed
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> = ; I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do= have
> some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was n= o serious help
> at all).
>
>
> I need some help or recommendatio= ns on the following subject:
>
>  I want to offer mp3= files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m working
> on at the= moment).
>  I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny p= ieces of music for
> e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 i= ndividual mp3 tracks from 30
> sec to a few minutes in one album.
= >
>
> This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people.<= br>>
>
>
>
>
> So I would like to have one= file containing all little mp3 files with tags
> etc. .
>
>
> What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable fil= e in which all
> the individual files stay as they are?
>
&g= t;
> Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with= the quality
> of such?
>
>
> Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else?=
>
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very mu= ch and I wish everybody on
> this list a happy new year!
>
>
> Regards and greetings from Spain
>  Ingo

--
-=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-
Tony
http://bigtony.blogspot.com/




--=20
Nic Roozeboom

http:= //www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_Part_83487_29952756.1167243043323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 18:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5303BEF5; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17a201c729e7$ce5d8c90$43c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:49:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC) zip sounds too complicated and too much work for folks. How about just making a streaming m3u (file that streams individual tagged MP3 files or samples), and then just providing a link to the m3u file contents so that folks can download the MP3s they want. For example, create a file in notepad called "my_sample_mp3s.m3u" and populate it like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:-1,Artist Name - Song Title - CD http://yourmp3filename.mp3 #EXTINF:-1,Artist Name - Song Title - CD http://yourmp3filename.mp3 #EXTINF:-1,Artist Name - Song Title - CD http://yourmp3filename.mp3 ...and so on When folks go to the m3u file, they can listen to all the clips and even skip through them. Then if they want to download one, they just look at the contents of the m3u file, which you can publish in text format on your site. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingo Ito To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: Some ideas needed Hi everybody, I know it´s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at all). I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I´m working on at the moment). I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tags etc. . What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which all the individual files stay as they are? Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality of such? Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on this list a happy new year! Regards and greetings from Spain Ingo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 19:05:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6622C3BEF6; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10612271010l685917b0sab5af9c79d70c06e@mail.gmail.com> References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> <00da01c729da$17ff5fd0$47fe1f70$@com> <9ff9c5d10612271010l685917b0sab5af9c79d70c06e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--39462041 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:04:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:05:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--39462041 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I'm just wary of any compression or file changing. I know with Pro=20 Tools friends who are WAY INTO IT don't even recommend copying files=20 from one drive to another because data can and has gotten lost. So=20 that was why I didn't think zipping the files was good. But with mp3s,=20= who would notice? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Dec-06, at 10:10 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >> Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the=20= >> quality of such? > Winzip is lossless data compression - what goes in, comes out. > > Since mp3 and the like do more than just data compression, you will=20 > typically not see a further reduction in filesize using Winzip, but=20 > you do get the advantage of bundling many small mp3 files. > > Cheers, > Nic > > > On 12/27/06, Tony K wrote: >> split them into several files by theme, or whatever.=A0=A0Just about >> everybody has ZIP, and it's built into Windows XP now. >> >> Tony >> >> On 12/27/06, Steve Mark wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > How big is the file if you zip them?=A0=A0If it's relatively small=20= >> (5-10M), I'd >> > just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download = it >> > directly.=A0=A0Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into = multiple=20 >> zip files >> > (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever).=A0=A0Zip is easy and=20= >> standard. >> > >> > >> > Steve Mark >> >=A0=A0LooperTools=99 >> >=A0=A0www.LooperTools.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Ingo Ito [mailto: ito@itofarm.com] >> >=A0=A0Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM >> >=A0=A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >=A0=A0Subject: Some ideas needed >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi everybody, >> > >> >=A0=A0I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this = list do=20 >> have >> > some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no=20 >> serious help >> > at all). >> > >> > >> > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: >> > >> >=A0=A0I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which = I=B4m=20 >> working >> > on at the moment). >> >=A0=A0I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces = of=20 >> music for >> > e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3=20 >> tracks from 30 >> > sec to a few minutes in one album. >> > >> > >> > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files=20 >> with tags >> > etc. . >> > >> > >> > What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in=20= >> which all >> > the individual files stay as they are? >> > >> > >> > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with=20 >> the quality >> > of such? >> > >> > >> > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? >> > >> > >> > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish=20 >> everybody on >> > this list a happy new year! >> > >> > >> > Regards and greetings from Spain >> >=A0=A0Ingo >> >> >> -- >> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- >> Tony >> http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > --=20 > Nic Roozeboom > > http://www.fractal-continuum.com > http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum > http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal= --Apple-Mail-2--39462041 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I'm just wary of any compression or file changing. I know with Pro Tools friends who are WAY INTO IT don't even recommend copying files from one drive to another because data can and has gotten lost. So that was why I didn't think zipping the files was good. But with mp3s, who would notice? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Dec-06, at 10:10 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: ArialJust a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality of such? Winzip is lossless data compression - what goes in, comes out. Since mp3 and the like do more than just data compression, you will typically not see a further reduction in filesize using Winzip, but you do get the advantage of bundling many small mp3 files.=20 Cheers, Nic On 12/27/06, Tony K <<0000,0000,EEEEbigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote: split them into several files by theme, or whatever.=A0=A0Just about everybody has ZIP, and it's built into Windows XP now. Tony On 12/27/06, Steve Mark <<0000,0000,EEEEsteve@otms.com> wrote: > > > > > How big is the file if you zip them?=A0=A0If it's relatively small (5-10M), I'd > just put it up on the site as a zip file and people can download it > directly.=A0=A0Otherwise, maybe you could break them up into multiple zip files > (grouped by name, theme, type, or whatever).=A0=A0Zip is easy and standard.=20 > > > Steve Mark >=A0=A0LooperTools=99 >=A0=A00000,0000,EEEEwww.LooperTools.com > > > > > > > From: Ingo Ito [mailto:0000,0000,EEEE ito@itofarm.com] >=A0=A0Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:24 AM >=A0=A0To: = 0000,0000,EEEELoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=A0=A0Subject: Some ideas needed >=20 > > > > > Hi everybody, > >=A0=A0I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list = do have > some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help=20 > at all). > > > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: > >=A0=A0I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which = I=B4m working > on at the moment).=20 >=A0=A0I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for > e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 > sec to a few minutes in one album. > > > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. > > > > > > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tags > etc. . > > > What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which all > the individual files stay as they are? > > > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality=20 > of such? > > > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? > > > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on > this list a happy new year! > > > Regards and greetings from Spain >=A0=A0Ingo -- -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://bigtony.blogspot.com/ --=20 Nic Roozeboom = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.fractal-continuum.com = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuu= m 0000,0000,EEEE = http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal= --Apple-Mail-2--39462041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 19:54:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03613BEF0; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <2ECC6423-3EF2-46CF-9E8F-4A6E65B20401@manic-zen.ch> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--36482137 From: Heinzen Marco Subject: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:54:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--36482137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed wer von euch hat skype ?? bitte schreibt doch ne mail mit skype namen =20= zur=FCck oder contactet mich gruss marco skypename: manic_zen Marco Heinzen / MANIC ZEN MANIC ZEN PRODUCTIONZ Neustadtstrasse 24 6003 Luzern +41415346246 HOME +41793474342 NATEL manic-zen@manic-zen.ch http://www.manic-zen.ch --Apple-Mail-1--36482137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 wer von euch hat skype ?? bitte = schreibt doch ne mail mit skype namen zur=FCck oder contactet = mich

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= --Apple-Mail-1--36482137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 20:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67523BEFA; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Ingo Ito'" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:29:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c729f5$bd87d2f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C729FE.1F4C3AF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accp9GS6fFvwVc3GQzuqgYrr/7JDygAASr7w In-Reply-To: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:29:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C729FE.1F4C3AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable put them into an m3u playlist http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html =20 -michael www.michaelpeters.de =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some ideas needed Hi everybody, I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do = have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help = at all). I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m = working on at the moment). I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music = for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks = from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. =20 So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with = tags etc. . What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all the individual files stay as they are? Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the = quality of such? Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish = everybody on this list a happy new year! Regards and greetings from Spain Ingo ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C729FE.1F4C3AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
put them into an m3u = playlist
http://hanna.pyxidis.org/= tech/m3u.html
 
-michael www.michaelpeters.de
 
 

From: Ingo Ito = [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:24 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Some ideas=20 needed

Hi everybody,

I know it=B4s a = bit off topic,=20 but maybe some people on this list do have some advice (I tried = some=20 typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at = all).
I need some help or recommendations = on the=20 following subject:

I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my = own=20 homepage (which I=B4m working on at the moment).
I do work with = loops and=20 sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for = e.g.=20 audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from = 30 sec to=20 a few minutes in one album.
This would be a lot of individual = downloading for=20 the people.
 
So I would like to have one file = containing all=20 little mp3 files with tags etc. .
What do you = recommend to do=20 for offering such downloadable file in which all the individual = files=20 stay as they are?
Just a simple = Winzip or=20 Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality of=20 such?
Or maybe = BitTorrent? Or=20 sth.else?
Any suggestions = are=20 appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on this list a = happy new=20 year!
Regards and = greetings from=20 = Spain
Ingo
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C729FE.1F4C3AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 20:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047B43BF01; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped instrument? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c729f6$7ec2fcb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accp9GF8Iy/N3eRKRrSNFN+9/zJEpAAAWQPQ In-Reply-To: <00f301c728cf$d0ef3f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:35:14 +0000 (UTC) > This guy at MIT has developed a walkman with binaural > microphones attached to it that uses a chip which makes the > ambient sound vocode synthetic sounds so that everything you > listen to creates music as you walk around. interesting idea ... but ... I find myself more and more simply listening to what is there ... that is, instead of listening to music when I'm walking around, I find it more and more interesting to just listening to whatever sound is there, maybe in the Cage sense that everything is music. I bet that using a chip to make everything sound synthetic would quickly sound boring. Listening to the real world won't ever get boring as long as you're interested in the real world :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 21:01:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFB123BEFB; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LVb4ZQgXxWYR6VoG4w9YKUWaV6WkI3XLAkOe/cGawiQFZhB3FUUj0PezeFoaslCNRz2irGCrs+/krCCyOgNkH9lLdXUShz7OjH54HD65268YDjglFMx0IRZsmom/HEj6IfZinkFiXyGHCHWt64K2p73Mf4JnY7JzV+scD9YRYJ0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:01:02 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping-related music at Luggage Store in SF this thursday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123180_25796300.1167253262092" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:01:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123180_25796300.1167253262092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey everyone, To break up the live-musically quiet time between Christmas and New Year's, we're having some looping music at the Luggage Store Experimental Music series this Thursday (aka tomorrow). (I'll only post series shows here when they're looping-related.) Thursday, Dec 28 2006 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery New Music Series 1007 Market St. @ 6th Street San Francsico $6-10 sliding scale 8pm: So Long Flatfoot 9pm: Organ of Qwerty (John Hanes) So Long Flatfoot is the instrumental/experimental/ambient project of Oakland's Glenn Nelson and Hal 9000. With fuzzed, murky and beautiful 'songs' featuring looped feedbacky guitar, tape recordings, and occasionally violin, their music brings to mind listening to a decaying tape of breakup songs from the other end of a warehouse - in other words, perfect post-holiday "end of year" music. http://www.geocities.com/solongflatfoot http://www.purevolume.com/solongflatfoot Organ of Qwerty is the laptop-improvisation identity of local drummer John Hanes. In his work, a few notes from simple sound sources (like violin or bicycle pump) are molded, reworked, and stretched into immersive and reflective sound spaces. http://www.myspace.com/organofqwerty www.purelovepower.com ------=_Part_123180_25796300.1167253262092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey everyone,

To break up the live-musically quiet time between Christmas and New Year's, we're having some looping music at the Luggage Store Experimental Music series this Thursday (aka tomorrow). (I'll only post series shows here when they're looping-related.)

Thursday, Dec 28 2006 8:00 PM
Luggage Store Gallery New Music Series
1007 Market St. @ 6th Street
San Francsico
$6-10 sliding scale

8pm: So Long Flatfoot
9pm: Organ of Qwerty (John Hanes)

So Long Flatfoot is the instrumental/experimental/ambient project of Oakland's Glenn Nelson and Hal 9000. With fuzzed, murky and beautiful 'songs' featuring looped feedbacky guitar, tape recordings, and occasionally violin, their music brings to mind listening to a decaying tape of breakup songs from the other end of a warehouse - in other words, perfect post-holiday "end of year" music.
http://www.geocities.com/solongflatfoot
http://www.purevolume.com/solongflatfoot

Organ of Qwerty is the laptop-improvisation identity of local drummer John Hanes. In his work, a few notes from simple sound sources (like violin or bicycle pump) are molded, reworked, and stretched into immersive and reflective sound spaces.
http://www.myspace.com/organofqwerty
www.purelovepower.com ------=_Part_123180_25796300.1167253262092-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 21:18:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3F93BF0C; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L9QW1ZRcZ/EaGqr5B5xvedA7NU7nXES5KHDXVQIx/hi5qKdPIQBlK+q0WV8q8j+Rt0IkS6qoiWqCNUlxeHVuyg1ldg9xUQqsAnr0/tpzwoKQ4kxk7a9XeZBKyZQPR9XTI6gEsnOYus2jTuJNCFFdUKoI+XHggatl26MKiKhftZ0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:18:43 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some ideas needed In-Reply-To: <004001c729f5$bd87d2f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> <004001c729f5$bd87d2f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:18:48 +0000 (UTC) I think the point of the original post got lost somewhere along the way. Ingo wanted a way to make it easier on downloaders so they didn't have to grab so many files. A Zip file of an mp3 may be larger, but that wasn't his request. It was EASE, not SIZE. ZIP is lossless and comes with CRC error checking so if the files are corrupt you will know. >I know with Pro >Tools friends who are WAY INTO IT don't even recommend copying files >from one drive to another because data can and has gotten lost. Sure it can, but that's a pretty lame excuse for not copying files. Haven't they heard of verification? It can get lost writing to the original disk fer chrissake. What do they think they are doing when they make CDs? Tony On 12/27/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > > put them into an m3u playlist > http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html > > -michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Some ideas needed > > > > Hi everybody, > > I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do have= some > advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at > all). > I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: > > I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m work= ing > on at the moment). > I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for > e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from= 30 > sec to a few minutes in one album. > This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. > > So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tag= s > etc. . > What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which = all > the individual files stay as they are? > Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the qual= ity > of such? > Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? > > Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody= on > this list a happy new year! > > Regards and greetings from Spain > Ingo > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 22:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDAFF3BF06; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c729d3$60d10da0$2601a8c0@SALON> <004001c729f5$bd87d2f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--28275983 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:11:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <7KfidB.A.WlC.h-ukFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:11:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--28275983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> I know with Pro >> Tools friends who are WAY INTO IT don't even recommend copying files >> from one drive to another because data can and has gotten lost. > > Sure it can, but that's a pretty lame excuse for not copying files. > Haven't they heard of verification? It can get lost writing to the > original disk fer chrissake. What do they think they are doing when > they make CDs? To back up a Pro Tools file you "Save A Copy As" to other hard drives=20 which recreates the entire audio set, fades etc. I learned this from=20 Metallica's engineer and have stuck to it pretty well... mostly. This=20= is also part of the reason why some studios will ask you to bring your=20= own firewire drive to sessions. There are other perks to this but it=20 also keeps the data in one place as you go from studio to studio. Once you put it on CD and it's finished that's another story. But, of=20= course, there's AD converters and there's AD converters! I'm using a=20 Lavry right now to master and the difference is quite noticeable. So=20 the data is there... but not there with other converters! So, yes, it=20= can get lost going to the original disc. I think the goal is to not=20 risk losing anything... and when you're spending big money on a record=20= every little bit matters a lot. Or so it is said! I don't think any of this is really relevant to mp3s. Sonically,=20 they're already pretty much kaboshed (compared to 16/24/44.1 or=20 above)... even though that's what most folks listen to nowadays. R > > Tony > > On 12/27/06, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> >> put them into an m3u playlist >> http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html >> >> -michael www.michaelpeters.de >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:24 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Some ideas needed >> >> >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do=20= >> have some >> advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious=20 >> help at >> all). >> I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: >> >> I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m=20= >> working >> on at the moment). >> I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music=20= >> for >> e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks=20= >> from 30 >> sec to a few minutes in one album. >> This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. >> >> So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with=20= >> tags >> etc. . >> What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in=20 >> which all >> the individual files stay as they are? >> Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the=20= >> quality >> of such? >> Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? >> >> Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish=20 >> everybody on >> this list a happy new year! >> >> Regards and greetings from Spain >> Ingo >> > > > --=20 > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > --Apple-Mail-1--28275983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know with Pro Tools friends who are WAY INTO IT don't even recommend copying files from one drive to another because data can and has gotten lost. Sure it can, but that's a pretty lame excuse for not copying files. Haven't they heard of verification? It can get lost writing to the original disk fer chrissake. What do they think they are doing when they make CDs? To back up a Pro Tools file you "Save A Copy As" to other hard drives which recreates the entire audio set, fades etc. I learned this from Metallica's engineer and have stuck to it pretty well... mostly. This is also part of the reason why some studios will ask you to bring your own firewire drive to sessions.=20 There are other perks to this but it also keeps the data in one place as you go from studio to studio. Once you put it on CD and it's finished that's another story. But, of course, there's AD converters and there's AD converters! I'm using a Lavry right now to master and the difference is quite noticeable. So the data is there... but not there with other converters! So, yes, it can get lost going to the original disc. I think the goal is to not risk losing anything... and when you're spending big money on a record every little bit matters a lot.=20 Or so it is said! I don't think any of this is really relevant to mp3s. Sonically, they're already pretty much kaboshed (compared to 16/24/44.1 or above)... even though that's what most folks listen to nowadays. =20 R =20 Tony On 12/27/06, Michael Peters < wrote: put them into an m3u playlist http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html -michael www.michaelpeters.de ________________________________ From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some ideas needed Hi everybody, I know it=B4s a bit off topic, but maybe some people on this list do have some advice (I tried some typically mp3 groups and this was no serious help at all). I need some help or recommendations on the following subject: I want to offer mp3 files of my work on my own homepage (which I=B4m working on at the moment). I do work with loops and sometimes they are only tiny pieces of music for e.g. audio books, and so I have for example 50 individual mp3 tracks from 30 sec to a few minutes in one album. This would be a lot of individual downloading for the people. So I would like to have one file containing all little mp3 files with tags etc. . What do you recommend to do for offering such downloadable file in which all the individual files stay as they are? Just a simple Winzip or Winrar compression? Any experiences with the quality of such? Or maybe BitTorrent? Or sth.else? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you very much and I wish everybody on this list a happy new year! Regards and greetings from Spain Ingo --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ = --Apple-Mail-1--28275983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 22:21:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E3B3BF0B; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4591A250.9090108@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:29:36 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <2ECC6423-3EF2-46CF-9E8F-4A6E65B20401@manic-zen.ch> In-Reply-To: <2ECC6423-3EF2-46CF-9E8F-4A6E65B20401@manic-zen.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Hallo Marco, I am setting up Skype, not ready yet... My best, luca www.unguitar.com Heinzen Marco wrote: > wer von euch hat skype ?? bitte schreibt doch ne mail mit skype namen > zurück oder contactet mich > > gruss marco > > skypename: manic_zen > > > Marco Heinzen / MANIC ZEN > > MANIC ZEN PRODUCTIONZ > > Neustadtstrasse 24 > > 6003 Luzern > > > +41415346246 HOME > > +41793474342 NATEL > > > manic-zen@manic-zen.ch > > http://www.manic-zen.ch > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 03:43:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30BC23BEFC; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:43:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:43:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a tad offtopic but it is one of the things that led me to the love of repetition in music, as I've been a groove drummer all of my life and I'm proud to share this announcement with my family here at Loopers Delight 40 YEARS of DRUMMING (12/15/1966 - 12/25/2006) ********************************************* Exactly 40 years ago, on Christmas Day, I received a snare drum, sticks and a practice pad from my parents for Christmas and started a lifetime of drumming. I was, frankly, really disappointed that they didn't get me a drum set (as I'd asked for one) , but I had been sent through 2 years of piano, a few months of cello and 5 years of clarinet and had dropped each instrument one by one. I know my parents were skeptical about whether I would last with this instrument or not. LOL, so much for skepticism. For four years, we had lived in San Jose, longer than anyplace we had ever lived in the first 9 years of my life. My father had been a doctor in the United States Air Force and had been through residency and medical school as well so we moved almost once a year during my early years. We live in California, Texas and Tripoli, Libya before we settled in San Jose when I was in 3rd grade. Consequently, I had never formed any lasting attachments with friends until I met Bob Murphy a couple of months before this. He became the first 'best friend' that I'd ever had in my short life. In a very white suburban school where the Beach Boys won popularity contests against the Beatles and that's as funky as people's musical tastes got, Bob Murphy and I sheepishly confessed a love for Motown and James Brown (who I sadly, just learned passed away today at the age of 73) and we had decided that we would ask our parents for drums and an electric guitar, respectively; start a band and become famous Rock and Roll stars. We were dead serious. His parents bought him a Fender Mustang guitar and a Fender Champ amp and I had my little snare drum kit. I ran over to his house right away that afternoon, which was several blocks away and we started my first band, by learning how to play "Sonny" which was a light R&B hit of the day. I just tapped out the hi hat pattern on the rim, playing the two and the four on the snare drum. We practiced every single day for almost three months, learning "Just Like Me" by Paul Revere and the Raiders and other Brit pop rock and roll songs. I practically lived at Bob's house because we practiced so much. We were so into it that my mom prevailed upon my dad to go out and buy a $300 Stanford (no name Japanese) drum set and I was off to the races. Bob and I played together for three years in the "Concave Image", the name of our new hippy band. I made bass drum artwork that had a big blue eye with the letters looking like they had been projected by a , well, concave lens. A little later, David Handloff (who had true talent and now owns More Music in Santa Cruz) joined our little band on Fender VI string bass. We had no vocalist and everyone was to scared to sing much. All of this happened right at the very inception of the hippy era. It was a magical time........... an intoxicating time..............a time when it felt like music could change the world. I was just in love with music. The band broke up two years later when Bob walked home one day, holding hands with my first ever girlfriend, A Mormon girl whose name was Linda Brammer. She had broken up with me the day before after 3 months of blissful and magical record listening, handholding and light kissing. She broke up with me because I had tried to 'feel her up' (as we used to say so innocently in those days) at a Janis Joplin concert at the San Jose Fairgrounds. She called the next day and broke it off because we were 'getting too serious'. Bob walked home holding hands with her the next day and I had my first ever romantic heartbreak of my life. I stayed in my room after school for several days and cried and cried. As it turns out, three years later, Bob came to me and confessed that she dumped him the same way and that he realized that he had lost the best friendship he had ever had because he wanted to go out with her. For the last few months of high school, we laughed and referred to her as 'The Spoiler' but the damage had been done and we were never close again. He gave up music and became a Dentist and I haven't heard from him in 32 years. I never really stopped drumming and I can remember every single instruments part in the song 'Sonny' to this very day. Happy Western New Years, everyone! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 03:59:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F9D3BEF8; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024101c72a34$89f72550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Ambient Walkman: Odd take on a potentially physicalyl looped instrument? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:59:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: "interesting idea ... but ... I find myself more and more simply listening to what is there ... that is, instead of listening to music when I'm walking around, I find it more and more interesting to just listening to whatever sound is there, maybe in the Cage sense that everything is music. I bet that using a chip to make everything sound synthetic would quickly sound boring. Listening to the real world won't ever get boring as long as you're interested in the real world :-)" ************************** Oh, yes, I agree with you completely, Michael. I just think it is so fascinating how many ways, people's creativity manifests itself in the musical world. I have been banging and blowing on things for ever so I'm really interested in the world of sound. I also like John Cage's definition of music: "Music is just organized sound". Because we have been getting a lot of rain and wind lately, there are a lot of very resonant sounds abounding near where I live: rain coming down on resonant pieces of metal and wood on the houses.....................the phase changes of the sound of rain as one walks into an open foyer..................a particularly musical sounding (but sometimes annoying) branch that rubs on my window creating a very high squeaking sound. I keep promising myself to take a recorder around with me to capture these things but never do. Perhaps it is in their intransigence that they are so beautiful. Music sometimes is about attaching oneself to something and then completely letting go of it. Although my take is different, I love that Stan Card's music (Stanosaur) cannot be accurately captured on vinyl or digitally. You just have to be in the room to really get the viscerality of what he is doing...............no recording medium can capture it. It's why I don't ever like missing on of his shows (even if I was a nervous nelly and asked him to turn it down at the festival this year...........lol) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 05:41:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E15B13BF10; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LgGq7T/Y6AKD8wXdk4Kf2hXYTLWQTgyDSbLphlZcGBI11fvP+/65ioEN5mQnqPj5ERXxPO864+0WcxizoYxdt1kcMXSto0XuvTFvkBETYYR/wm4e1jBjjaMrBmsJIqSTXlbqyeOGra9t8PBx2JilaPwrTMD2+xkX3eXz/33e4eU=; X-YMail-OSG: 9YASNpcVM1lxlBBmZKSYtfIQY79Bba3awM3huYcxPRAeBF6rKF3RYe0uOsn19BECNQ-- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Some ideas needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <503509.45696.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:41:53 +0000 (UTC) It's so true. As an ex audio engineer, or should I say I started down that path and veered off, I saw Laurie Anderson spend a *full* day choosing a wireless mic for the Home of the Brave (fake) concert movie. It had to have the right "sound" and visual look she wanted. Anyway, my point being is that in the end this movie got played at small art houses where the sound was less than optimal. I'm glad that someone cares enough about the purity of sonic reproduction, but perhaps my formative years listening to The Ramones and Sex Pistols gave me the idea that often the passion and feel is far more important than fidelity. So at home I do care about fidelity, but I've kind of made the decision that I can't care too much. It can lead to madness and high credit card debt. Then your audience downloads your mp3 and listens to it on $100 computer speakers. If worrying about data loss is keeping you from making your music, you should probably look for the real reason. Tape is fragile too. M --- Richard Sales wrote: > risk losing anything... and when you're spending big > money on a record > every little bit matters a lot. > > Or so it is said! > > I don't think any of this is really relevant to > mp3s. Sonically, > they're already pretty much kaboshed (compared to > 16/24/44.1 or > above)... even though that's what most folks listen > to nowadays. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 10:30:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D993BEB9; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MQkOyJ3VHvevOyDfY9H62K0Mlar435NjQb06jLeBjAclMeBc8A7jACxx6aGwry2QBiqnamd+uhmrvbO0f6SENzw+OuJbrKuOl0M/MLPunY6lnWuwnNL7U25QYvgrx0F+TYZuBcfRtWCgxZNaAULr/LPzv+wLR/tDLtBU5/Y/mIs=; X-YMail-OSG: RWTvsL4VM1n.58o29.71q.t0kmHp8NetVod9FQkdYPiOCeEe_1LyJ5.PAvCAHtZ_Rg-- Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: skypename To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4591A250.9090108@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <545920.82310.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Hallo Marco, Meine skypename ist: labalou gruss Luis --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Hallo Marco, > I am setting up Skype, not ready yet... > My best, > luca > > www.unguitar.com > > Heinzen Marco wrote: > > > wer von euch hat skype ?? bitte schreibt doch ne > mail mit skype namen > > zurück oder contactet mich > > > > gruss marco > > > > skypename: manic_zen > > > > > > Marco Heinzen / MANIC ZEN > > > > MANIC ZEN PRODUCTIONZ > > > > Neustadtstrasse 24 > > > > 6003 Luzern > > > > > > +41415346246 HOME > > > > +41793474342 NATEL > > > > > > manic-zen@manic-zen.ch > > > > > http://www.manic-zen.ch > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 11:20:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F8F3BEC5; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 06:22:21 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4593A8ED.9090509@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:20:34 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Darshan Ambient, a.k.a. Michael Allison. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Re: Karma" by Darshan Ambient on Lotispike Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 12:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA413BEC2; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:27:14 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: <2vgdTD.A.E8._g7kFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:27:43 +0000 (UTC) I like your story, Rick. I'm sure thst everyone here has interesting stories about his own musical "birth". Your story remind me when i start playing with a school friend, when i was 12 years old: i was playing an old organ of his uncle, and my friend was hitting a cartoon home made drums... It also recalled me the Yoko Ono conseguences in the Beatles band. I like this off-topic mail; i need them, because the musical experience is a human experience, before than technical... Have happy holydays, Rick, and your wife too. Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 13:54:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36E093BED8; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <503509.45696.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <503509.45696.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-28294373 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:54:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:54:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-28294373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 27-Dec-06, at 9:41 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > So at home I do care about fidelity, but I've kind of > made the decision that I can't care too much. It can > lead to madness and high credit card debt. Then your > audience downloads your mp3 and listens to it on $100 > computer speakers. Absolutely correct. Debt can impact the time you have to do music. Not good. And certainly fidelity is a bottomless pit. I mean, a new SSL or Neve can put you back as much as an estate in paradise... so that's wack. I got my real start listening to old blues recorded with one mic and quite often out in the fields. I loved it. I did a show with the Ramones. Really loved that. Jimi Hendrix used brand new guitars. Now they're 'vintage"! What counts is the passion of the performance, no doubt about that. The wonderful thing is when the passion and the technology gel at the same time and the final product is impeccable. But, much much more important is impeccable music. If the music is there, you could record it with a dictaphone and the goods would come across. it's just, for me, good sound is an obsession and something I work on. Does it REALLY matter? Not as much as the music by any stretch. But I want to continue to get work from labels and that means I have to care. But all I have to do is get as good a sound... so I have to work a bit harder and pay close attention to things like data loss. And, frankly, it's a fun game. But just a sideshow for me compared to music. > If worrying about data loss is keeping you from making > your music, you should probably look for the real > reason. Tape is fragile too. Right on. Again, I just mentioned the loss of data because we need everything we can in our corner as artists. If it doesn't cost too much and improves the sound, well... why not at least study the options. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > M > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> risk losing anything... and when you're spending big >> money on a record >> every little bit matters a lot. >> >> Or so it is said! >> >> I don't think any of this is really relevant to >> mp3s. Sonically, >> they're already pretty much kaboshed (compared to >> 16/24/44.1 or >> above)... even though that's what most folks listen >> to nowadays. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1-28294373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 27-Dec-06, at 9:41 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: So at home I do care about fidelity, but I've kind of made the decision that I can't care too much. It can lead to madness and high credit card debt. Then your audience downloads your mp3 and listens to it on $100 computer speakers. Absolutely correct. Debt can impact the time you have to do music. Not good. And certainly fidelity is a bottomless pit. I mean, a new SSL or Neve can put you back as much as an estate in paradise... so that's wack. I got my real start listening to old blues recorded with one mic and quite often out in the fields. I loved it. I did a show with the Ramones. Really loved that. Jimi Hendrix used brand new guitars. Now they're 'vintage"! What counts is the passion of the performance, no doubt about that. The wonderful thing is when the passion and the technology gel at the same time and the final product is impeccable. But, much much more important is impeccable music. If the music is there, you could record it with a dictaphone and the goods would come across. it's just, for me, good sound is an obsession and something I work on. Does it REALLY matter? Not as much as the music by any stretch. But I want to continue to get work from labels and that means I have to care. But all I have to do is get as good a sound... so I have to work a bit harder and pay close attention to things like data loss. And, frankly, it's a fun game. But just a sideshow for me compared to music. If worrying about data loss is keeping you from making your music, you should probably look for the real reason. Tape is fragile too. Right on. Again, I just mentioned the loss of data because we need everything we can in our corner as artists. If it doesn't cost too much and improves the sound, well... why not at least study the options. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com M --- Richard Sales < wrote: risk losing anything... and when you're spending big money on a record every little bit matters a lot. Or so it is said! I don't think any of this is really relevant to mp3s. Sonically, they're already pretty much kaboshed (compared to 16/24/44.1 or above)... even though that's what most folks listen to nowadays. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1-28294373-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 14:27:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22EA93BEDB; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=om137aob9fCUk9GxAv11IHZva13GkpA51+OLbQnRX3nukWe6Q9n+J/CRUHrzU+hIvj4NvWEeWnATsIHOMfEPISWTkKFhHCiskHQ2ehADWviBG2DqZ4psyFfBIQhabIIcajkhQEQWoaKuOOnY9n++li4RNTF55CJUoX8fuhNgJ9k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <503509.45696.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68DB2A98-6E19-4334-AEE9-B1B7678B30A5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:27:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2XdDb.A.OOE.9Q9kFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:27:10 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2006, at 14.54, Richard Sales wrote: > If the music is there, you could record it with a dictaphone and > the goods would come across. it's just, for me, good sound is an > obsession and something I work on. Does it REALLY matter? Not as > much as the music by any stretch. But I want to continue to get > work from labels and that means I have to care. But all I have > to do is get as good a sound... so I have to work a bit harder and > pay close attention to things like data loss. > > And, frankly, it's a fun game. But just a sideshow for me compared > to music. I do agree with every word! Two days ago I was thinking that what people usually call "good sound" is in fact nothing technical but all about music. I was then hired to do "Logic coaching" with a producer in his studio and after two hours of mix tweaking he was so pleased that he wanted me to mix the entire album. But I never did anything "technical", only small musical adjustments like filtering and putting up some side chained compressors or noise gates to make the recorded instruments talk to each other a little more like I wanted them to have been played in the first place. The recorded band musicians were very good (fast Balkan folk stuff with a crazy party vibe) and I have no doubt that if they should have been listening to the control room mix while playing the songs they would have played their instruments like I made them sound afterwards, by my tweaks and treatments in Logic. No "technical secret weapons" used, only general musical decisions to give more emphasize to instrumental parts that work along with the general emotion/rhythm/tonality of each song and bringing down some parts that I felt were "not in the right pocket". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 14:53:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71FE43BED2; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=F6X1/uqjeGSshA/EqtSKOCguiWNQkQElmW1UNKlaIRe1DAwsreJMY3cPbRR4bo2wRx88SAwtXaj7PCz64P9qmcXDs73g7ZjkfMcE/oph6X6GtGem1uL6HafYGS+W9D1O39AWLhODZIIV6p94fzgA1vXacxIoMAsW/oVLXmzWZm0= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:53:33 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: boss rc50 vs mh2880 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43699_4101436.1167317613005" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43699_4101436.1167317613005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type setup. But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I tried it out at the store. The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_43699_4101436.1167317613005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type setup.
But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I tried it out at the store.

The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with..

SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_43699_4101436.1167317613005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 15:41:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB063BED0; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: skypename Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:40:59 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c72a96$92fe7880$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccqkMDUNK6l+PiIQDq4clu4ja72LwABcAMg In-Reply-To: <545920.82310.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:41:10 +0000 (UTC) skypename: veloopity michael peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 15:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0725C3BEE0; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c72a96$cb1db050$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccqkMDEyyetvEKqRZyn/8r652rh7AABelsw In-Reply-To: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:42:41 +0000 (UTC) > 40 YEARS of DRUMMING congratulations rick :-) and now ... for the next 40 years! -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 15:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0653D3BEE1; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <68DB2A98-6E19-4334-AEE9-B1B7678B30A5@gmail.com> References: <503509.45696.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <68DB2A98-6E19-4334-AEE9-B1B7678B30A5@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-34855370 Message-Id: <122678618de060c725c548bf19eeba58@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Some ideas needed Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:43:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:43:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-34855370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh my gosh that's so true! A well ARRANGED and played song is SO EASY to make sound good. You don't need to do too much eq'ing etc. It's just right as it goes down - not too much stuff in the mid range, the guitarist etc knows hisher instrument and picks it and voices the chords so they work in context - every instrument in its place. It's a glorious moment when it happens. Good job Per. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Dec-06, at 6:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 dec 2006, at 14.54, Richard Sales wrote: > >> If the music is there, you could record it with a dictaphone and the >> goods would come across. it's just, for me, good sound is an >> obsession and something I work on. Does it REALLY matter? Not as >> much as the music by any stretch. But I want to continue to get work >> from labels and that means I have to care. But all I have to do is >> get as good a sound... so I have to work a bit harder and pay close >> attention to things like data loss. >> >> And, frankly, it's a fun game. But just a sideshow for me compared >> to music. > > > I do agree with every word! Two days ago I was thinking that what > people usually call "good sound" is in fact nothing technical but all > about music. I was then hired to do "Logic coaching" with a producer > in his studio and after two hours of mix tweaking he was so pleased > that he wanted me to mix the entire album. But I never did anything > "technical", only small musical adjustments like filtering and putting > up some side chained compressors or noise gates to make the recorded > instruments talk to each other a little more like I wanted them to > have been played in the first place. The recorded band musicians were > very good (fast Balkan folk stuff with a crazy party vibe) and I have > no doubt that if they should have been listening to the control room > mix while playing the songs they would have played their instruments > like I made them sound afterwards, by my tweaks and treatments in > Logic. No "technical secret weapons" used, only general musical > decisions to give more emphasize to instrumental parts that work along > with the general emotion/rhythm/tonality of each song and bringing > down some parts that I felt were "not in the right pocket". > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > --Apple-Mail-2-34855370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh my gosh that's so true! A well ARRANGED and played song is SO EASY to make sound good. You don't need to do too much eq'ing etc. It's just right as it goes down - not too much stuff in the mid range, the guitarist etc knows hisher instrument and picks it and voices the chords so they work in context - every instrument in its place. It's a glorious moment when it happens. Good job Per. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Dec-06, at 6:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On 28 dec 2006, at 14.54, Richard Sales wrote: If the music is there, you could record it with a dictaphone and the goods would come across. it's just, for me, good sound is an obsession and something I work on. Does it REALLY matter? Not as much as the music by any stretch. But I want to continue to get work from labels and that means I have to care. But all I have to do is get as good a sound... so I have to work a bit harder and pay close attention to things like data loss. And, frankly, it's a fun game. But just a sideshow for me compared to music. I do agree with every word! Two days ago I was thinking that what people usually call "good sound" is in fact nothing technical but all about music. I was then hired to do "Logic coaching" with a producer in his studio and after two hours of mix tweaking he was so pleased that he wanted me to mix the entire album. But I never did anything "technical", only small musical adjustments like filtering and putting up some side chained compressors or noise gates to make the recorded instruments talk to each other a little more like I wanted them to have been played in the first place. The recorded band musicians were very good (fast Balkan folk stuff with a crazy party vibe) and I have no doubt that if they should have been listening to the control room mix while playing the songs they would have played their instruments like I made them sound afterwards, by my tweaks and treatments in Logic. No "technical secret weapons" used, only general musical decisions to give more emphasize to instrumental parts that work along with the general emotion/rhythm/tonality of each song and bringing down some parts that I felt were "not in the right pocket". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-2-34855370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 16:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0713BEDA; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30534788.1167323219930.JavaMail.root@web31> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 8:26:59 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (downloads your mp3 and listens to it on $100 computer speakers.) How true. I can't get my mind around the corundrum of opposing directions in audio & video. I hear folks at work claiming that they won't even buy a DVD unless it's a newer one that will bring out the quality of their LCD, et al televisions and yet this same audience will listen to music exclusively in MP3 format. Maybe it's me but MP3's just don't have the sonic clarity of a plain ol' CD. When I crank an MP3 on my car stereo, it seems to me nothing changes as far as what I'm hearing but when I crank a CD, I hear a lot more definition of the sound. I know some of this is subjective. And it's nice to have a whole lotta hours of music in a teeny package. Personally, I don't think I'll quit buying CD's though (as opposed to downloads). -- Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 17:54:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7BF03BEDB; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Kh0wFf2H1xitMSZQfyWFv/ef2xJ6l8H66/M0p8lLpGvKX3c4Zh2Gtf4PUqvq0VQXJeMy/ah0WXMGEbjvOLBadRLBVFhLV1AFn7MS7DCdI2KxU7yBIeIG/C1DOYaeO5SnB1V/ffuJE4WiYxaEi0NkxFU+CeenfMR+fHcDwF32Q38=; X-YMail-OSG: uHDqly4VM1naOKWL1eZo9AiQD1bWqdpWD.bNOxpRKLnx7s0ah3r2weX3SA9IYWR2DY6kvFMmWSJjOzMLVheXE1E7wVg_PsSxzJ2EEYQFGnJsx56gH9lqUkZgUb_VS51a48YOJWIQI9ldSAI- Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <30534788.1167323219930.JavaMail.root@web31> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <843675.38539.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC) --- Paul Richards wrote: > (downloads your mp3 and listens to it on $100 > computer speakers.) > > How true. I can't get my mind around the corundrum > of opposing directions in audio & video. I hear > folks at work claiming that they won't even buy a > DVD unless it's a newer one that will bring out the > quality of their LCD Quality of an LCD? Ha, there's the rub: LCD's generally suck compared to a good CRT with the same resolution. Way better contrast for sure. People buy LCDs not for their quality but for their thin/light nature. People didn't buy CDs for their quality, they bought them because they were easier to stock (for retail and consumer) and more durable/portable. People don't buy mp3s for... oh wait, they ususally just download them for free. Basically it's all going to hell. ;) I'm betting it'll be somewhere between Bladerunner and Mad Max (but Mel will be shouting more anti semetic phrases) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 18:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 777A83BECD; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i5kGdi0ZanehJ+Ez6OPYrrPlssHnDL+vXT4rBWkehSAsBqGz/NhvqNZJG/hLpk0/mYkMkC4w/mXjL4Tgh0N8EU1wKVoPn1/m0qg4Rg9ccaFRk7SR+cu54vGhVoYyE5KJUnoq8HTtRX/bYwQZO2NcuzAAyhuSrSKk2U3A6k+YGsE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <843675.38539.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843675.38539.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23FAD0BF-E78E-4FEB-9EAB-A22BE60BD1D7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Free Stuff leading to Hell? (was: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2006, at 18.54, mark sottilaro wrote: > Quality of an LCD? Ha, there's the rub: LCD's > generally suck compared to a good CRT with the same > resolution. Way better contrast for sure. People buy > LCDs not for their quality but for their thin/light > nature. People didn't buy CDs for their quality, they > bought them because they were easier to stock (for > retail and consumer) and more durable/portable. > People don't buy mp3s for... oh wait, they ususally > just download them for free. > > Basically it's all going to hell. ;) I'm betting > it'll be somewhere between Bladerunner and Mad Max > (but Mel will be shouting more anti semetic phrases) I see no "going to hell" dimension in the fact that people download music for free. Why not? Myself I don't mind sending a money donation to the music creator if I particularly like something. The challenge with the internet is that most of the free stuff is not very good, from an artistic point of view. With old times record labels it was the other way around; only the fact that a creator was signed to have his/her outlet physically copied and distributed by the label worked as a public quality level assurance. So because of this new world order you can not expect people to pay up front for culture. The relevant modern way to consume culture is to use it first and then pay the creator if it you like the product (and if you have money). The good side is that it brings up a new generation of community oriented customers that want to "do the right thing" - equalling sponsor creators that provide good "free stuff" - and also that narrow artistic outlets can exist easier today than if a solid marketing budget should be needed before even thinking about sharing the content. I'm a big fan of the Creative Commons movement and I'm seriously looking into giving away an entire album, newly recorded, at http:// www.jamendo.com or some related player. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 18:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA32B3BEDE; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008f01c72ab0$58bc13c0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:45:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C72AB8.B3C994B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: <4e2Mn.A.N1F.JDBlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:45:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C72AB8.B3C994B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the 2880 has four faders for the tracks. very convenient! the hiccups with very short loops occurs with the 2880, too...so that's = no decision-helper for you. you should check out if the 2880's footswitch is available. here in europe it has been hard to get for the last months. all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Katayama=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: boss rc50 vs mh2880 I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type = setup. But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I = tried it out at the store.=20 The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! --=20 kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C72AB8.B3C994B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the 2880 has four faders for the=20 tracks.
very convenient!
the hiccups with very short loops = occurs with the=20 2880, too...so that's no decision-helper for you.
you should check out if the 2880's = footswitch is=20 available.
here in europe it has been hard to get = for the last=20 months.
 
all the best, tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Katayama
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 28, = 2006 3:53=20 PM
Subject: boss rc50 vs = mh2880

I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this=20 one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a = footboard=20 type setup.
But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first = loop=20 when I tried it out at the store.

The 2880..gives me one more = loop=20 track to play with..

SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!!

--=20
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kk= atayama76=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C72AB8.B3C994B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 19:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F63E3BED8; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23FAD0BF-E78E-4FEB-9EAB-A22BE60BD1D7@gmail.com> References: <843675.38539.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <23FAD0BF-E78E-4FEB-9EAB-A22BE60BD1D7@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:04:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Free Stuff leading to Hell? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:04:43 +0000 (UTC) At 7:20 PM +0100 12/28/06, Per Boysen wrote: > >I see no "going to hell" dimension in the fact that people download >music for free. Why not? Myself I don't mind sending a money >donation to the music creator if I particularly like something. The >challenge with the internet is that most of the free stuff is not >very good, from an artistic point of view. Back in the late-80's/early-90's -- just as the Internet was getting off its training wheels -- Bruce Sterling wrote an essay that posited that the true value of the Internet lay not in the volume of information available on it, but rather in the availability of filtering and search tools to find the information you need. Rather, a map or tool to find that one needle in the haystack. I'd argue that we're today in a similar situation: there are some real gems being composed and published and pushed out into the big world. However, we're still lacking in a good filtering mechanism to separate the wheat and chaff. > With old times record labels it was the other way around; only the >fact that a creator was signed to have his/her outlet physically >copied and distributed by the label worked as a public quality level >assurance. To a certain extent. However, that QA function was hopelessly and fatally intertwined with the company's profit motive. How often would labels receive excellent quality product that they would not publish because it couldn't bring in enough cash. I'm certain that if I had a dollar for every group/album some A&R guy *wished* they could put out (but was outside the label's scope of business), I would most assuredly be a rich man. Also, there was a fair amount of shite pushed out by the labels which did not meet those same quality standards, but they believed it would sell, or it was produced by a friend of the label owner, or some other crap reason. >I'm a big fan of the Creative Commons movement and I'm seriously >looking into giving away an entire album, newly recorded, at >http://www.jamendo.com or some related player. Yes! Do it, Per! I love the whole Creative Commons movement, and (although I understand that its nice for artists to occasionally eat) I wholeheartedly support the removal of the profit motive from music creation. Alternately, you might look into some of the different alternate copyright systems -- copyleft, for instance, or the GNU public license. I also really dig some of the suggestions that Marc Francombe has posted regarding leaving CD's in coffee shops, passing along your music to complete strangers, etc., etc., etc. As long as you can keep control over ownership (just to stop somebody else from unfairly making money off your creations) putting your stuff out for free sounds like an extremely cool idea. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 19:35:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0240D3BED3; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WpltFllJ3yeNzxAjCuAWLQM8mDJm/vOhXVCpj1Q7I2cGdE5g1C6zqQLS+iAfMuRyx5wp1K6iH1JqqRefnVeIdmX4oiNl/U+InNjmmzolmaAqYbDZ67Tmeo5zNzrLZHzV1kTHOuPHNGvKMd6PkO+oubXPI+9KvektYFiF6Z7idKM= Message-ID: <9e0440a60612281135u4997d546i353d2ed57a036e22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:35:48 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, looppool@cruzio.com Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING In-Reply-To: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_100927_19943912.1167334548711" References: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:35:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_100927_19943912.1167334548711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rick nice account of a neat time that is what that time is all about. Sometimes now at 51 and seeing my own kid's growing years (1 12 1 10) go in a blur and trying to remember some of my time then I know how important being that age is. Frankly mine is a blur. Some of my happiest times really began when my muse really began in my mid-20's though much work was done earlier. My point sounds like your early musical experiences were happening as if you somehow already had it 'all figured out'. Look forward to saying hello in Anaheim next month. Where at the convention center does that Sunday lunch you last referred to take place? Great New Year and Cheers Jim Goodin On 12/27/06, RICK WALKER wrote: > > This is a tad offtopic but it is one of the things that led me to the love > of repetition in music, as I've been a groove drummer all of my life > and I'm proud to share this announcement with my family here at Loopers > Delight > > > 40 YEARS of DRUMMING (12/15/1966 - 12/25/2006) > ********************************************* > > Exactly 40 years ago, on Christmas Day, I received a snare drum, sticks > and > a practice pad > from my parents for Christmas and started a lifetime of drumming. > > I was, frankly, really disappointed that they didn't get me a drum set (as > I'd asked for one) , > but I had been sent through 2 years of piano, a few months of cello and 5 > years of clarinet > and had dropped each instrument one by one. I know my parents were > skeptical > about whether I would last with this instrument or not. LOL, so much for > skepticism. > > For four years, we had lived in San Jose, longer than anyplace we had ever > lived in the first > 9 years of my life. My father had been a doctor in the United States Air > Force and had been > through residency and medical school as well so we moved almost once a > year > during my > early years. We live in California, Texas and Tripoli, Libya before we > settled in San Jose > when I was in 3rd grade. Consequently, I had never formed any lasting > attachments with > friends until I met Bob Murphy a couple of months before this. He became > the > first 'best friend' > that I'd ever had in my short life. > > In a very white suburban school where the Beach Boys won popularity > contests > against the > Beatles and that's as funky as people's musical tastes got, Bob Murphy and > I > sheepishly > confessed a love for Motown and James Brown (who I sadly, just learned > passed away > today at the age of 73) and we had decided that we would ask our parents > for > drums and > an electric guitar, respectively; start a band and become famous Rock and > Roll stars. > We were dead serious. > > His parents bought him a Fender Mustang guitar and a Fender Champ amp and > I > had > my little snare drum kit. > > I ran over to his house right away that afternoon, which was several > blocks > away and we started > my first band, by learning how to play "Sonny" which was a light R&B hit > of > the day. I just tapped > out the hi hat pattern on the rim, playing the two and the four on the > snare > drum. > > We practiced every single day for almost three months, learning "Just Like > Me" by Paul Revere > and the Raiders and other Brit pop rock and roll songs. I practically > lived > at Bob's house because > we practiced so much. > > We were so into it that my mom prevailed upon my dad to go out and buy a > $300 Stanford > (no name Japanese) drum set and I was off to the races. > > Bob and I played together for three years in the "Concave Image", the name > of our new hippy > band. I made bass drum artwork that had a big blue eye with the letters > looking like they had > been projected by a , well, concave lens. A little later, David Handloff > (who had true talent and > now owns More Music in Santa Cruz) joined our little band on Fender VI > string bass. We had > no vocalist and everyone was to scared to sing much. > > All of this happened right at the very inception of the hippy era. It was > a > magical time........... > an intoxicating time..............a time when it felt like music could > change the world. > > I was just in love with music. > > The band broke up two years later when Bob walked home one day, holding > hands with my first > ever girlfriend, A Mormon girl whose name was Linda Brammer. She had > broken > up with me the > day before after 3 months of blissful and magical record listening, > handholding and light kissing. > She broke up with me because I had tried to 'feel her up' (as we used to > say > so innocently in those > days) at a Janis Joplin concert at the San Jose Fairgrounds. She called > the > next day and broke it > off because we were 'getting too serious'. > > Bob walked home holding hands with her the next day and I had my first > ever > romantic heartbreak > of my life. I stayed in my room after school for several days and cried > and > cried. > > As it turns out, three years later, Bob came to me and confessed that she > dumped him the same > way and that he realized that he had lost the best friendship he had ever > had because he wanted > to go out with her. For the last few months of high school, we laughed and > referred to her as 'The Spoiler' but the damage had been done and we were > never close again. > > He gave up music and became a Dentist and I haven't heard from him in 32 > years. > > I never really stopped drumming and I can remember every single > instruments > part in the song > 'Sonny' to this very day. > > Happy Western New Years, everyone! > > Rick Walker > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_100927_19943912.1167334548711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Rick nice account of a neat time that is what that time is all about.  Sometimes now at 51 and seeing my own kid's growing years (1 12 1 10) go in a blur and trying to remember some of my time then I know how important being that age is.  Frankly mine is a blur.  Some of my happiest times really began when my muse really began in my mid-20's though much work was done earlier.  My point sounds  like your early musical experiences were happening as if you somehow already had it 'all figured out'.
 
Look forward to saying hello in Anaheim next month.  Where at the convention center does that Sunday lunch you last referred to take place?
 
Great New Year and Cheers
 
Jim Goodin

 
On 12/27/06, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
This is a tad offtopic but it is one of the things that led me to the love
of repetition in music, as I've been a groove drummer all of my life
and I'm proud to share this announcement with my family here at Loopers
Delight


40 YEARS of DRUMMING   (12/15/1966 - 12/25/2006)
*********************************************

Exactly 40 years ago, on Christmas Day, I received a snare drum, sticks and
a practice pad
from my parents for Christmas and started a lifetime of drumming.

I was, frankly, really disappointed that they didn't get me a drum set (as
I'd asked for one) ,
but I had been sent through 2 years of piano, a few months of cello and 5
years of clarinet
and had dropped each instrument one by one. I know my parents were skeptical
about whether I would last with this instrument or not. LOL, so much for
skepticism.

For four years, we had lived in San Jose, longer than anyplace we had ever
lived in the first
9 years of my life. My father had been a doctor in the United States Air
Force and had been
through residency and medical school as well so we moved almost once a year
during my
early years. We live in California, Texas and Tripoli, Libya before we
settled in San Jose
when I was in 3rd grade.  Consequently, I had never formed any lasting
attachments with
friends until I met Bob Murphy a couple of months before this. He became the
first 'best friend'
that I'd ever had in my short life.

In a very white suburban school where the Beach Boys won popularity contests
against the
Beatles and that's as funky as people's musical tastes got, Bob Murphy and I
sheepishly
confessed a love for Motown and James Brown (who I sadly, just learned
passed away
today at the age of 73) and we had decided that we would ask our parents for
drums and
an electric guitar, respectively; start a band and become famous Rock and
Roll stars.
We were dead serious.

His parents bought him a Fender Mustang guitar and a Fender Champ amp and I
had
my little snare drum kit.

I ran over to his house right away that afternoon, which was several blocks
away and we started
my first band, by learning how to play "Sonny" which was a light R&B hit of
the day. I just tapped
out the hi hat pattern on the rim, playing the two and the four on the snare
drum.

We practiced every single day for almost three months, learning "Just Like
Me" by Paul Revere
and the Raiders and other Brit pop rock and roll songs. I practically lived
at Bob's house because
we practiced so much.

We were so into it that my mom prevailed upon my dad to go out and buy a
$300 Stanford
(no name Japanese) drum set and I was off to the races.

Bob and I played together for three years in the "Concave Image", the name
of our new hippy
band. I made bass drum artwork that had a big blue eye with the letters
looking like they had
been projected by a , well, concave lens. A little later, David Handloff
(who had true talent and
now owns More Music in Santa Cruz) joined our little band on Fender VI
string bass. We had
no vocalist and everyone was to scared to sing much.

All of this happened right at the very inception of the hippy era. It was a
magical time...........
an intoxicating time..............a time when it felt like music could
change the world.

I was just in love with music.

The band broke up two years later when Bob walked home one day, holding
hands with my first
ever girlfriend, A Mormon girl whose name was Linda Brammer. She had broken
up with me the
day before after 3 months of blissful and magical record listening,
handholding and light kissing.
She broke up with me because I had tried to 'feel her up' (as we used to say
so innocently in those
days) at a Janis Joplin concert at the San Jose Fairgrounds. She called the
next day and broke it
off because we were 'getting too serious'.

Bob walked home holding hands with her the next day and I had my first ever
romantic heartbreak
of my life. I stayed in my room after school for several days and cried and
cried.

As it turns out, three years later, Bob came to me and confessed that she
dumped him the same
way and that he realized that he had lost the best friendship he had ever
had because he wanted
to go out with her. For the last few months of high school, we laughed and
referred to her as 'The Spoiler' but the damage had been done and we were
never close again.

He gave up music and became a Dentist and I haven't heard from him in 32
years.

I never really stopped drumming and I can remember every single instruments
part in the song
'Sonny' to this very day.

Happy Western New Years, everyone!

Rick Walker




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New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_100927_19943912.1167334548711-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 20:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3B493BEDA; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 580653180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C72ABB.43B68E03" Subject: RE: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A725797DC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) thread-index: AccquNJFJ90674EmSKqbG0d1aIKRAQ== References: <843675.38539.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2006 20:03:38.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[43CC6C70:01C72ABB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:03:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72ABB.43B68E03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Basically it's all going to hell. ;) I'm betting it'll be somewhere = between Bladerunner and Mad Max (but Mel will be shouting more anti semetic phrases)<< much as I enjoyed the sci-fi elements of BR, I feel that ridley scott (a = fellow teessider) underplayed the essential moral dilemma of the = original tale, & the movie became instead a nicely-lit allegory for = ethnic cleansing. mad max, on the other hand, was just hurt & angry.=20 I'd hate to have to choose one over the other. as for free downloads- quite a few of us on the fence are = sort-of-ok-with-it so long as there's this feeling that mp3 "isn't as = good" as having a cd. which, when you think about it, is absolute = nonsense. head-in-the-sand of the first order. (fwiw, both of them will suck, but they're what we've got, so we live = with it. I can't persuade everyone to buy their own open-reel deck & = have all our albums distributed on ampex 456 at 7-1/2 ips, now, can I? = even 180gm vinyl is out of the question at our level.) =20 with modern download speeds, one can deliver an entire album as a high = bitrate mp3, indistinguishable from the cd. downloads are no longer the equivalent of "taping it off the radio" & = then buying the record properly later on. downloads are it, the whole = thing, for many consumers now. & digital rights management is dead-in-the-water; the second something = enters the analogue domain, which it must in order to be consumed, it = can be re-encoded. & that's where the DRM falls off. doesn't matter if = it's an anti-copy code on a cd or in an mpeg file, or macrovision, or = whatever. all of these things can & will be defeated by people who think = that "art" should be free to consumers. well, I'm an artist. sometimes. I can't afford to do it full-time, = because- shame on me- I need to eat occasionally. someone out there [points in the direction of moscow] is SELLING = downloads of my band's albums. this is even worse than giving them away. = I'm not going to do the free downloads thing until my local supermarket = starts giving me free food. whatever you're good at, whether it's fixing walls, growing wheat or = playing the guitar, you've a right to some appreciation of it from those = who enjoy your work. (so you caught me in a ranty mood... sorry) d.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72ABB.43B68E03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed)

>>Basically it's all going to hell. ;)  I'm = betting it'll be somewhere between Bladerunner and Mad Max
(but Mel will be shouting more anti semetic phrases)<<

much as I enjoyed the sci-fi elements of BR, I feel that ridley scott (a = fellow teessider) underplayed the essential moral dilemma of the = original tale, & the movie became instead a nicely-lit allegory for = ethnic cleansing. mad max, on the other hand, was just hurt & = angry.
I'd hate to have to choose one over the other.

as for free downloads- quite a few of us on the fence are = sort-of-ok-with-it so long as there's this feeling that mp3 "isn't = as good" as having a cd. which, when you think about it, is = absolute nonsense. head-in-the-sand of the first order.

(fwiw, both of them will suck, but they're what we've got, so we live = with it. I can't persuade everyone to buy their own open-reel deck & = have all our albums distributed on ampex 456 at 7-1/2 ips, now, can I? = even 180gm vinyl is out of the question at our level.)

with modern download speeds, one can deliver an entire album as a high = bitrate mp3, indistinguishable from the cd.
downloads are no longer the equivalent of "taping it off the = radio" & then buying the record properly later on. downloads = are it, the whole thing, for many consumers now.
& digital rights management is dead-in-the-water; the second = something enters the analogue domain, which it must in order to be = consumed, it can be re-encoded. & that's where the DRM falls off. = doesn't matter if it's an anti-copy code on a cd or in an mpeg file, or = macrovision, or whatever. all of these things can & will be defeated = by people who think that "art" should be free to = consumers.

well, I'm an artist. sometimes. I can't afford to do it full-time, = because- shame on me- I need to eat occasionally.
someone out there [points in the direction of moscow] is SELLING = downloads of my band's albums. this is even worse than giving them = away.
I'm not going to do the free downloads thing until my local supermarket = starts giving me free food.

whatever you're good at, whether it's fixing walls, growing wheat or = playing the guitar, you've a right to some appreciation of it from those = who enjoy your work.

(so you caught me in a ranty mood... sorry)

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C72ABB.43B68E03-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 20:30:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB03D3BEE0; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dfo74A4R8mt6tH9G1TQF2A4dWhBWc1UaJAGqxvwottuoRKpvIMWPFc9q77KIdyiYwRdCERcogD6r5cwe0F/JU+j2vwSeBl2DsECIcY+xWi3ceKltm/MYcGIB/dsgUujlp2R6Pt9v8axizEbxEGdBUUjO4z55knmolb+pUP3+8no=; Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Free Stuff leading to Hell? (was: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <23FAD0BF-E78E-4FEB-9EAB-A22BE60BD1D7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <217801.7706.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, I was kidding... in a sense. I often equate the Jewdeo-Catholic idea of heaven and hell with Order/logic (Heaven/holy) and chaos/emotion (Hell/unholy). I'm not going to go further into this far far OT and start what I'm sure will be a flame war, but that's the way I think of it. Free mp3s are not evil in any way. I never charge for my music when I record or play. That's the way I like it. Really I think things are on their way to becoming a lot better for music and musicians. What we lacked before was distribution. Now we don't. We no longer have to see the gate keeper before we publish our ideas to everyone who cares to listen. Sure it will be more work for people to seperate what they consider "wheat" from the chaff, but man I'd rather it be this way than the old way. I think the new way is a lot more like humans naturally communicate in a tribal community. Anyway, if any of ya'll are interested read Understanding Media by McLuhan. He's a bit of a blow hard, but man he had some great ideas for his time. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 dec 2006, at 18.54, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Quality of an LCD? Ha, there's the rub: LCD's > > generally suck compared to a good CRT with the > same > > resolution. Way better contrast for sure. People > buy > > LCDs not for their quality but for their > thin/light > > nature. People didn't buy CDs for their quality, > they > > bought them because they were easier to stock (for > > retail and consumer) and more durable/portable. > > People don't buy mp3s for... oh wait, they > ususally > > just download them for free. > > > > Basically it's all going to hell. ;) I'm betting > > it'll be somewhere between Bladerunner and Mad Max > > (but Mel will be shouting more anti semetic > phrases) > > > I see no "going to hell" dimension in the fact that > people download > music for free. Why not? Myself I don't mind sending > a money donation > to the music creator if I particularly like > something. The challenge > with the internet is that most of the free stuff is > not very good, > from an artistic point of view. With old times > record labels it was > the other way around; only the fact that a creator > was signed to have > his/her outlet physically copied and distributed by > the label worked > as a public quality level assurance. So because of > this new world > order you can not expect people to pay up front for > culture. The > relevant modern way to consume culture is to use it > first and then > pay the creator if it you like the product (and if > you have money). > The good side is that it brings up a new generation > of community > oriented customers that want to "do the right thing" > - equalling > sponsor creators that provide good "free stuff" - > and also that > narrow artistic outlets can exist easier today than > if a solid > marketing budget should be needed before even > thinking about sharing > the content. > > I'm a big fan of the Creative Commons movement and > I'm seriously > looking into giving away an entire album, newly > recorded, at http:// > www.jamendo.com or some related player. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 21:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0D93BEB3; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tgkGErrFJSzt0qPS9JRY3GOevwxsXfszb/dyjMsqONZpApsTikwUbyfJpnxgcGzH; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60612281135u4997d546i353d2ed57a036e22@mail.gmail.com> References: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <9e0440a60612281135u4997d546i353d2ed57a036e22@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-55815384 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:32:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798c94e9bd890cd30f0b3e12cdebc649c4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: <4lR-r.A.7SE.KgDlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-55815384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Great evocative story, Rick; thanks! dc > On 12/27/06, RICK WALKER wrote: > This is a tad offtopic but it is one of the things that led me to > the love > of repetition in music, as I've been a groove drummer all of my life > and I'm proud to share this announcement with my family here at > Loopers > Delight > > > 40 YEARS of DRUMMING (12/15/1966 - 12/25/2006) > ********************************************* > > Exactly 40 years ago, on Christmas Day, I received a snare drum, > sticks and > a practice pad > from my parents for Christmas and started a lifetime of drumming. --Apple-Mail-8-55815384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Great evocative story, Rick; = thanks!
dc

On 12/27/06, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
This is a tad offtopic but it is one of the things = that led me to the love
of repetition = in music, as I've been a groove drummer all of my life=A0
and I'm proud to share this announcement with my = family here at Loopers
Delight

40 YEARS of DRUMMING=A0=A0 = (12/15/1966 - 12/25/2006)

Exactly 40 = years ago, on Christmas Day, I received a snare drum, sticks = and=A0
a practice pad
from my parents for Christmas and started a lifetime = of drumming.

= --Apple-Mail-8-55815384-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 21:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7D03BEDC; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:40:19 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1044784072==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:41:07 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1044784072==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the eh 2880 is very easy to learn !!! cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant use it . r ramiro >I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. > >Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type setup. >But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I >tried it out at the store. > >The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. > >SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! > >-- >kosukeweb >http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --============_-1044784072==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880
the eh 2880 is very easy to learn  !!!
cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant use it .
r
ramiro

I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type setup.
But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I tried it out at the store.

The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with..

SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76

--============_-1044784072==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 21:56:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AFBB3BECD; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: MBox/Live Setup Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:56:00 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E8_01C72A87.E83B9940" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AccqyvXkjgz4yOK5RjOE2gt5NYQtPA== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:56:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01C72A87.E83B9940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hopefully an easy question. I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. I'm trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone. It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF. Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help? I've searched Google but haven't found an answer. Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF Thanks, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01C72A87.E83B9940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hopefully an easy question. 

 

I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which = connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire.  I’m trying to get Live to recognize the signal = from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding.  I am not using ProTools in this = scenario, just Live standalone.  It does recognize audio coming from direct = audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF.

 

Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can = someone point me somewhere to get help?  I’ve searched Google but = haven’t found an answer.

 

Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do = things, please let me know, I’m just coming up to speed on = S/PDIF

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01C72A87.E83B9940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 21:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E5EB3BECC; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IVhv51BQqBRW9r15irzVb3PElLgb4dS1XCZbaIla5SeOQDKq+wyQDj9GY5ZsGaEarZmVezzGyKO79Qw7hzG2JQvXWcRRfAZ2DCYTe7fH4PN5IBEWCeF1i7x/lfzUAdAAzi4H8NJYmMPoyg72DqehP7B5AdOPdUlFDEm0SoNXMeg= ; Message-ID: <20061228215916.20815.qmail@web50911.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q98.Q4EVM1lDgqvZe9_7PkZdUv7JLFW6X9o0eFcY.WE0p9_H4lXENoeQ8heNrYH9Q.mnP0jWp5bdj.9ZU4keNN8yTRrrMfcPDznDMf1IgbLglcRMrpcJJC0imvSBrG0_IngYXYAGaHuI20NEawH8BAWkfsn894J1d8upGvwzcqs8dUnBJNarGWC7WlGl Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-543652478-1167343156=:19680" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:59:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-543652478-1167343156=:19680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve, I'm having the a similar problem. My PC isn't recognizing my guitar signal through my MBox. I haven't solved the problem. Scott Millis Steve Mark wrote: Hopefully an easy question. I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. I’m trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone. It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF. Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help? I’ve searched Google but haven’t found an answer. Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I’m just coming up to speed on S/PDIF Thanks, Steve --0-543652478-1167343156=:19680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Steve,
 
I'm having the a similar problem. My PC isn't recognizing my guitar signal through my MBox.  I haven't solved the problem.
 
Scott Millis

Steve Mark <steve@otms.com> wrote:
Hopefully an easy question. 
 
I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire.  I’m trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding.  I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone.  It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF.
 
Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help?  I’ve searched Google but haven’t found an answer.
 
Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I’m just coming up to speed on S/PDIF
 
Thanks,
 
Steve
 

--0-543652478-1167343156=:19680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 22:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B753BECF; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=biFHv8yML3oM9bGLCc48AmSAoCy9BD+1Sy0SOS7L0AftqB0BH5VCdS3PBTMg5SyL2dnvVKgwsGdG084M2goiPJJ6SqWQH0LkFtrkUvK4NDtNbVhNezLgcPVDLFt2vXBBUzQvjhX3DbWklk2KMOOlFMA3bazcTW1Cnj6uXFd8DnA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:09:43 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup In-Reply-To: <20061228215916.20815.qmail@web50911.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> <20061228215916.20815.qmail@web50911.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:09:45 +0000 (UTC) I have not used an MBox so this may be completely offbase, but here goes. I connect my SBLive to my Audiophile via the S/PDIF. The internal clock on the SB runs at 48khz and it appears that's the rate the S/PDIF uses since the SB is the master. What that means to me on the AP end is that I need to run the AP at 48khz in order to get any S/PDIF audio. I also have to make sure that I set the AP clock to run off an external signal - S/PDIF. In your case(s), you may need to sync the clock rates on the MBox and the ToneLab and the PC. Like I said, I may be way off, but it's worth a look to see that they are sync'd. Tony On 12/28/06, SR Millis wrote: > Steve, > > I'm having the a similar problem. My PC isn't recognizing my guitar signal > through my MBox. I haven't solved the problem. > > Scott Millis > > > Steve Mark wrote: > > > > Hopefully an easy question. > > I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 > Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. I'm trying to > get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding. > I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone. It does > recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF. > > Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere > to get help? I've searched Google but haven't found an answer. > > Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me > know, I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF > > Thanks, > > Steve > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 00:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CFAA3BECC; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> References: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-67651293 Message-Id: <147C4B3C-B173-4658-AAC7-39303ACB306F@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 8bbb198c-96d6-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfa1U6ClZ1 UkhJREJSFA9tARYA AlAZUwdzfgZYeXh1 e0RgWG9ZWUZ/akYz GTwwFTJybSdgYWYW VkgWcQJVeE1CLE0X a1l3B24EZzEBe3th EwV2NWw9NnAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu DzUoGiVoOUwbSm0I IgA7MjYx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:50:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-67651293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I haven't worked =20 with SPDIF. Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at least. On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote: > Hopefully an easy question. > > > > I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to =20 > my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via =20 > Firewire. I=92m trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the =20= > S/PDIF port but am not succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this =20= > scenario, just Live standalone. It does recognize audio coming =20 > from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF. > > > > Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me =20 > somewhere to get help? I=92ve searched Google but haven=92t found an =20= > answer. > > > > Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please =20 > let me know, I=92m just coming up to speed on S/PDIF > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > --Apple-Mail-1-67651293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hm, don't know the answer to = your specific problem. I haven't worked with SPDIF.
Have you checked = the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at least.


On Dec 28, 2006, = at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote:

Hopefully an = easy question.=A0

I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my = guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via = Firewire.=A0 I=92m trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the = S/PDIF port but am not succeeding.=A0 I am not using ProTools in this = scenario, just Live standalone.=A0 It does recognize audio coming from = direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF.

=A0

Has anyone done this before and = succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help?=A0 I=92ve = searched Google but haven=92t found an answer.

=A0

Also, if this is not the = right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I=92m just coming = up to speed on S/PDIF

=A0

Thanks,

=A0

Steve


= --Apple-Mail-1-67651293-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 02:21:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A5343BEC2; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: sean@seanmormelo.com via t7.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.041534 secs) Message-ID: <12019.64.171.65.162.1167358866.squirrel@www.seanmormelo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:21:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup From: sean@seanmormelo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Steve do you have the Digi ASIO driver selected in Live? If you do, the MBox 2 should show up as your audio interface and it Should let you use the digital i/o as well. You may have to download the latest ASIO drivers from the www.digidesign.com site and install them. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 03:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B823BECA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 03:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: References: <12019.64.171.65.162.1167358866.squirrel@www.seanmormelo.com> In-Reply-To: <12019.64.171.65.162.1167358866.squirrel@www.seanmormelo.com> Subject: RE: MBox/Live Setup Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:47:59 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <02b001c72afc$22c1f450$6845dcf0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Accq7/6T5h+IJppFSFyMIChH1H5A4gAC85fQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 03:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Sean, I selected ASIO, nothing on S/PDIF but analog works. I selected "Digidesign ASIO Driver" and it tells me it can't open the audio device. I went to Digidesign and downloaded the ASIO driver install and it tells me that I have to uninstall ProTools first, which doesn't make sense. I'm wondering if there's something I have to activate or configure in the MBox to "turn on" S/PDIF. In ProTools, I have to select it specifically as an input to hear anything. There are no setting in Live to adjust clock rate. Thanks, I appreciate the help from everyone so far! Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: sean@seanmormelo.com [mailto:sean@seanmormelo.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup > > Steve do you have the Digi ASIO driver selected in Live? If you do, the > MBox 2 should show up as your audio interface and it Should let you use > the digital i/o as well. You may have to download the latest ASIO > drivers > from the www.digidesign.com site and install them. > > Sean Mormelo > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 04:04:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72B4D3BEB3; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:04:33 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01f501c72a32$4c2d7f50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:04:37 +0000 (UTC) What a great story, Rick! I'm kind of a sucker for reading musician's memoirs, ever considered writing a book? Speaking of memoirs, I've been reading a bunch lately, spent x-mas at home in bed with an infection (don't worry, I'm getting better, and it spared me the obligatory family trip). Read Andy Summer's "One Train Later", about his experiences before and during the Police. He's a surprisingly witty and charming writer, and his life as an almost-famous guitarist for the decade or so before starting the Police is pretty interesting. I essentially learned to play bass by copping riffs off of the first 3 Police records, so it was great to read about the reality behind the music. I'm in the middle of Caetano Veloso's "Tropical Truth: A Story of Music and Revolution in Brasil" about the Tropicalia movement of which he was a big part. Veloso is one of my favorite musicians on the planet, one of the greatest songwriters living, regardless of genre. His story of making sublime music against the backdrop of politcal and cultural chaos is fascinating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 04:35:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11493BECF; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:35:52 -0600 From: "Sandy Rowles" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup In-Reply-To: <147C4B3C-B173-4658-AAC7-39303ACB306F@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130128_19709275.1167366952953" References: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> <147C4B3C-B173-4658-AAC7-39303ACB306F@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:35:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_130128_19709275.1167366952953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I DONT USE SPDIF BUT I HAVE IT AS ONE OF MY SOUNDCARD INPUTS. THERE IS ALSO A SPDIF VOLUME CONTROL IN MY VOLUME PROPERTIES THAT I ALWAYS KEEP MUTED BECAUSE OF NOISE IT MAKES WHEN I DONT ACTUALLY USE IT. YOU MAY CHECK THERE TO SEE THAT IT IS ACTIVE AND NOT MUTED. HOPE THIS MAY HELP. On 12/28/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > > Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I haven't worked with > SPDIF.Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at > least. > > > On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote: > > Hopefully an easy question. > > > > I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox > 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. I'm trying > to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not > succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live > standalone. It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just > not from S/PDIF. > > > > Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me > somewhere to get help? I've searched Google but haven't found an answer. > > > > Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me > know, I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve** > > > > > ------=_Part_130128_19709275.1167366952953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I DONT USE SPDIF BUT  I HAVE IT AS ONE OF MY SOUNDCARD INPUTS. THERE IS ALSO A SPDIF VOLUME CONTROL IN MY VOLUME PROPERTIES THAT I ALWAYS KEEP MUTED BECAUSE OF NOISE IT MAKES WHEN I DONT ACTUALLY USE IT. YOU MAY CHECK THERE TO SEE THAT IT IS ACTIVE AND NOT MUTED. HOPE THIS MAY HELP.

On 12/28/06, Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I haven't worked with SPDIF.
Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at least.


On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote:

Hopefully an easy question. 

 

I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire.  I'm trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding.  I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone.  It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF.

 

Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help?  I've searched Google but haven't found an answer.

 

Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 




------=_Part_130128_19709275.1167366952953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 05:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B4A53BEB0; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: References: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> <147C4B3C-B173-4658-AAC7-39303ACB306F@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: MBox/Live Setup Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:14:06 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <02c501c72b08$2a4cfdd0$7ee6f970$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C72AC5.1C29BDD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AccrAtLO71Az54IdRHuegh1WQdIcegABPVlQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <-1eLcD.A.svE.8QKlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:14:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C72AC5.1C29BDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I figured it out, and a number of the posts here gave me the clues I needed. First, I am able to see S/PDIF in my audio properties, since the MBox is selected as the audio in/out device. Didn't do much good for this though it did help to know it was being seen. I went into ProTools and enabled S/PDIF there by selecting it for the clock (from another post). I then exited ProTools and the "External Clock" light stayed set on the MBox. I went into Live, selected S/PDIF, and voila, I can hear my guitar! So I guess that problem is effectively solved, all I want to do now is figure out how to enable/disable S/PDIF in the MBox without having to go through ProTools. Thanks all for the help - Steve From: Sandy Rowles [mailto:sandy@pajiba.com] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup I DONT USE SPDIF BUT I HAVE IT AS ONE OF MY SOUNDCARD INPUTS. THERE IS ALSO A SPDIF VOLUME CONTROL IN MY VOLUME PROPERTIES THAT I ALWAYS KEEP MUTED BECAUSE OF NOISE IT MAKES WHEN I DONT ACTUALLY USE IT. YOU MAY CHECK THERE TO SEE THAT IT IS ACTIVE AND NOT MUTED. HOPE THIS MAY HELP. On 12/28/06, Zoe Keating wrote: Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I haven't worked with SPDIF. Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at least. On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote: Hopefully an easy question. I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. I'm trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone. It does recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from S/PDIF. Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help? I've searched Google but haven't found an answer. Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF Thanks, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C72AC5.1C29BDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think I figured it out, and a number of the posts here gave me the clues = I needed.

 =

First, I am able to see S/PDIF in my audio properties, since the MBox is = selected as the audio in/out device.  Didn’t do much good for this though = it did help to know it was being seen.

 =

I went into ProTools and enabled S/PDIF there by selecting it for the = clock (from another post).  I then exited ProTools and the “External = Clock” light stayed set on the MBox.  I went into Live, selected S/PDIF, = and voila, I can hear my guitar!

 =

So I guess that problem is effectively solved, all I want to do now is = figure out how to enable/disable S/PDIF in the MBox without having to go through = ProTools.

 =

Thanks all for the help –

 =

Steve<= /span>

 =

From:= Sandy = Rowles [mailto:sandy@pajiba.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup

 

I DONT USE SPDIF = BUT  I HAVE IT AS ONE OF MY SOUNDCARD INPUTS. THERE IS ALSO A SPDIF VOLUME = CONTROL IN MY VOLUME PROPERTIES THAT I ALWAYS KEEP MUTED BECAUSE OF NOISE IT MAKES = WHEN I DONT ACTUALLY USE IT. YOU MAY CHECK THERE TO SEE THAT IT IS ACTIVE AND = NOT MUTED. HOPE THIS MAY HELP.

On 12/28/06, Zoe = Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> = wrote:

Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. = I haven't worked with SPDIF.

Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very = helpful for me at least.

 

 

On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark = wrote:



Hopefully an easy question. 

 

I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox = 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire.  I'm = trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not succeeding.  I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone.  It does recognize audio coming from direct audio = inputs, just not from S/PDIF.

 

Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere = to get help?  I've searched Google but haven't found an answer. =

 

Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, = I'm just coming up to speed on S/PDIF

 

Thanks,

 

Steve=

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_02C6_01C72AC5.1C29BDD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 06:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552CC3BECC; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:23:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: FS: Electrix Repeater From: improv@peak.org To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19DBF1A8-9705-11DB-9A67-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:23:34 +0000 (UTC) I had sold this on a payment-plan type of deal to a good friend who backed out and returned it to me, so before I get re-attached to it, I thought I'd see if anyone here was interested. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 07:13:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B503BEB8; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eQUQk16wDRVnAkThEGbqXYrwW1QsxtMMUg+xN0g7yDOQoAdUGSxrq5to4uL6ZBB9; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: Touch the Sound! Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:13:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792f9cb0f73fa09796c86b00201ae35e78350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: <5xQG0D.A.2LB.tAMlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, and Happy Hols to you all. Don=92t know if this has been mentioned before, but if you haven=92t = seen =20 Touch the Sound, the documentary about Evelyn Glennie, the deaf =20 percussionist, BY ALL MEANS check it out! She plays extensively with =20 Fred Frith, and many others, in a stunningly moving spectacle of =20 sounds and visuals; definitely one of the best movies about art, =20 music or sensation I=92ve ever seen. Here=92s a Netflix link: http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=3D70033401&trkid=3D90529 Best, dc= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 09:46:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF5A3BECF; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AhdpSRE4jHD0t9xR375LKh1KDniPMbxVxp98uONrvS/OMWh3DnvX9utuqFFT+SyqZfLxuXtIpARG+A/7lQy+wO0hncG1heav7N42++3CQYiQm3du2K0+hpubpL9IAQIZZHo0RYFFebjZ2ck9ekuZJuF//AVJQyANro9RtNTHTcQ= In-Reply-To: <024101c72a34$89f72550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <024101c72a34$89f72550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5023CC27-986A-43AD-AB7A-CE58491920AB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: French vocal looping video Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:46:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi, My RSS News Robot found me this today. I think it's a nice demo of the most basic looping technique where you simply stack layers of audio to let the same part grow in density. http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/28/watch-here-chamille- acuoustic/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 09:51:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAAB13BECF; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: sean@seanmormelo.com via t7.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(75.80.45.68):. Processed in 0.739918 secs) Message-ID: <000201c72b2e$ebd31e00$6501a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <01e701c72aca$f65ed940$e31c8bc0$@com> <147C4B3C-B173-4658-AAC7-39303ACB306F@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:19:40 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C72AA4.5B9BD190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: <50f_ZD.A.XpF.mUOlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:51:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C72AA4.5B9BD190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve do you have the Digi ASIO driver selected in Live? If you do, the = MBox 2 should show up as your audio interface and it Should let you use = the digital i/o as well. You may have to download the latest ASIO = drivers from the www.digidesign.com site and install them.=20 Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Zoe Keating=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: MBox/Live Setup Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I haven't worked = with SPDIF. Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at = least. On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote: Hopefully an easy question.=20 I have an effects processor (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my = MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, which connects to my Windows PC via Firewire. = I=92m trying to get Live to recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port = but am not succeeding. I am not using ProTools in this scenario, just = Live standalone. It does recognize audio coming from direct audio = inputs, just not from S/PDIF. Has anyone done this before and succeeded or can someone point me = somewhere to get help? I=92ve searched Google but haven=92t found an = answer. Also, if this is not the right/preferred way to do things, please = let me know, I=92m just coming up to speed on S/PDIF Thanks, Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/600 - Release Date: = 12/23/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C72AA4.5B9BD190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve do you have the Digi ASIO driver = selected in=20 Live? If you do, the MBox 2 should show up as your audio interface and = it Should=20 let you use the digital i/o as well. You may have to download the latest = ASIO=20 drivers from the www.digidesign.com site=20 and install them.
 
Sean Mormelo
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Zoe=20 Keating
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 28, = 2006 3:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: MBox/Live = Setup

Hm, don't know the answer to your specific problem. I = haven't=20 worked with SPDIF.
Have you checked the Ableton forums? Been very helpful for me at=20 least.


On Dec 28, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Steve Mark wrote:

Hopefully an easy=20 question. 

I have an effects = processor=20 (ToneLab) which connects my guitar to my MBox 2 Pro via S/PDIF, = which=20 connects to my Windows PC via Firewire.  I=92m trying to get = Live to=20 recognize the signal from the S/PDIF port but am not = succeeding.  I am=20 not using ProTools in this scenario, just Live standalone.  It = does=20 recognize audio coming from direct audio inputs, just not from=20 S/PDIF.

Has anyone done this = before=20 and succeeded or can someone point me somewhere to get help?  = I=92ve=20 searched Google but haven=92t found an answer.

Also, if this is not = the=20 right/preferred way to do things, please let me know, I=92m just = coming up to=20 speed on S/PDIF

Thanks,

Steve


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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C72AA4.5B9BD190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 10:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8452E3BEB9; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:26:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Dave Trenkel asked: "What a great story, Rick! I'm kind of a sucker for reading musician's memoirs, ever considered writing a book?" You know, it's funny you mention it. I'm not a very famous musician so I've always wondered whether any one would be interested in reading such a book, but I've also been ridiculously blessed to have played with many world class and acknowledged master musicians from around the planet and many of the luminaries of both the World Beat movement in the early 80's and the live looping movement (if one can call it a movement). I've also had some pretty interesting and unusual things happen to me in my life of music. What I've been doing lately (mostly because I've realized that it's very difficult to get either music or memoirs published) is I've started a blog at Tribe.net. I figured that at one point I might just take all those writings and put them together into a memoirs. I've also started posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method at both the FrameDrummers at Yahoogroups and the Frame Drummers tribe at Tribe.net just so some of those ideas would get out into the world. I always imagined that Kim Flint would cringe if I posted those musings on the theory of rhythm here at Loopers Delight so I have shied away from publishing them here but if there is enough call for them and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic adjuncts to making music with looping. We'll see. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 12:15:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7E973BEB3; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=u101oi4ZCgHDIWZC1SZQDtlfXFZdQsBWqR1Dk65glDmPdwY2H391G7gxAMYPrUA7Qq9RY6RuTR+HBOU8MeShQuQ94Yz5VfbXOGnkTwzaWRFXPmUTAFd0xP2crrhVWbcmj2UBqt/NjzNuDHESB/Gbh0PZb6hQ8oleyEJHL1bRVHE= ; X-YMail-OSG: JpQbySsVM1lrsK47DT_HGIxgPBH_wj7a6MgVe.BgoOaiY51IIHW0fLtJfjbxsgqdX7.vETDtvtNInTCWiOH7r5.lEFnEqLyowXUm3crC3LpajIN80bI68aGPZ.KVEu.tZxkgSuM04Q1v Message-ID: <006301c72b43$021b1140$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <024101c72a34$89f72550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <5023CC27-986A-43AD-AB7A-CE58491920AB@gmail.com> Subject: Re: French vocal looping video Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:15:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Yes it's a well known french artist. Her album called "le fil" has got several awards. I think you can find some more video on Utube. Not all songs are looping however. The title of the album is for the french expression "le fil conducteur" (meaning there is a recurring constant in something). In the album I thing it's a scale/key or a chord present in all the songs. By the way I wish a good new year to everyone on this list. 2006 has seen the birth of my first son Nolhan (in november) which implied some re-organisation of my life (less music, less internet reading,..) I still have a lot of things to catch up, but I guess 2007 will bring a lot of new discoveries (in the looping area and in my life in general). Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: French vocal looping video > Hi, > > My RSS News Robot found me this today. I think it's a nice demo of the > most basic looping technique where you simply stack layers of audio to > let the same part grow in density. > http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/28/watch-here-chamille- > acuoustic/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 12:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D6E3BECF; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kINIan001TzgCsTRJT6uetXQNyE3Aiwe1se0aYN4A5y6k84vH0prOdjkMtWngxbhGjPhOUIWJBmHptYL/qcC5XDTyR1H+TVSUxGhDz6qqqNX+EnjSgqrjtuz8Qqmxk5aPr6VVUDEgmfuaPcCk8oM3rwX4z+zm2+6yuaL716o1n4= ; X-YMail-OSG: LS5uVnAVM1njjdQWmf3lgo4UQydt72jtL.ajF9OH236mx3CE7kl_oSfp.0navQHwTrpD9ruQN6jFRfJhUBttI2NVFBbDVTHpV5sf3FoBsT11ZITIYQMm7rFKPmES8dHbP4Emx0uP_z0H Message-ID: <008001c72b43$a55bf9a0$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:19:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C72B4C.06C633B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:19:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C72B4C.06C633B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880There is an upgrade available for the RC50 which = introduce a new parameter giving you the chance to remove the hiccup. >From rolandus.com: "This is the latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds the = ability to change the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the = "RC50 Update ReadMe.pdf" for the update procedure. Please refer to the = "RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for this version's additions to the Owner's = Manual." I don't have the RC so no way to test but some French forum members have = reported good results. Unfortunately no correction for the midiSync. Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ramiro Musotto=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 the eh 2880 is very easy to learn !!! cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant use = it . r ramiro I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard = type setup. But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I = tried it out at the store. The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C72B4C.06C633B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880
There is an upgrade available for the = RC50 which=20 introduce a new parameter giving you the chance to remove the=20 hiccup.
 
From rolandus.com:
 
"This is the=20 latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds the ability to = change=20 the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the "RC50 Update = ReadMe.pdf" for=20 the update procedure. Please refer to the "RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for = this=20 version's additions to the Owner's Manual."
 
I don't have the RC so no way to test = but some=20 French forum members have reported good results. Unfortunately no = correction for=20 the midiSync.
 
Ben.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ramiro=20 Musotto
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 28, = 2006 9:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs = mh2880

the eh 2880 is very easy to learn  !!!
cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant = use it=20 .
r
ramiro

I'm still contemplating..which way = to go on=20 this one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes = in a=20 footboard type setup.
But I noticed the little hiccup after = making the=20 first loop when I tried it out at the store.

The 2880..gives = me one=20 more loop track to play with..

SOMEONE HELP ME TO=20 DECIDE!!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kk= atayama76

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Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 13:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C3323BEC5; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038c01c72b49$93429610$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: French vocal looping video Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:02:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that post, Per. http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/28/watch-here-chamille-acuoustic/ That's just an enchanting track by Camille. She really uses very minimal overdubs so that her track can build and build and build without having any timbral masking................considering that she must have used 10 layers of voice only, that's quite a feat. Any I don't know about you, but that's a voice to fall in love with. Enchanting. Wish we could get her to Y2K7 but I imagine she's probably a big pop star in France. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 13:56:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E99AC3BEB5; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c72b51$29dbbb40$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:56:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: <8xYoDD.A.EoF.X6RlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:56:39 +0000 (UTC) i'd be delighted to read your rhythm intensive texts. all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING > Dave Trenkel asked: > "What a great story, Rick! I'm kind of a sucker for reading musician's > memoirs, ever considered writing a book?" > > You know, it's funny you mention it. I'm not a very famous musician so > I've always wondered > whether any one would be interested in reading such a book, but I've also > been ridiculously > blessed to have played with many world class and acknowledged master > musicians from around the > planet and many of the luminaries of both the World Beat movement in the > early 80's and the live looping > movement (if one can call it a movement). I've also had some pretty > interesting and unusual things happen to me > in my life of music. > > What I've been doing lately (mostly because I've realized that it's very > difficult to get either music or memoirs > published) is I've started a blog at Tribe.net. I figured that at one > point I might just take all those writings > and put them together into a memoirs. > > I've also started posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method at both > the FrameDrummers at Yahoogroups > and the Frame Drummers tribe at Tribe.net just so some of those ideas would > get out into the world. > > I always imagined that Kim Flint would cringe if I posted those musings on > the theory of rhythm here at > Loopers Delight so I have shied away from publishing them here but if there > is enough call for them > and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic adjuncts to > making music with looping. > > We'll see. > > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 14:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86EFB3BEB5; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AvdvGFstQjTc4tVxRPZsI5Urph8/OvSZtGz2tf1ZnmsrkdwCiDuMFRBkJ9R0qxNtHqkBxCKEcQW7F7oVH9uLglJ0kHdVkf7QLoWcTdocw12+07U+LS/BZkcrlMp4kAco4P6VayBJuplgyqn0u7bau2lNrTnTE1tqzelEDk2uuHQ= In-Reply-To: <006c01c72b51$29dbbb40$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <006c01c72b51$29dbbb40$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BDF7A24-D3A0-40A1-B3B4-BD5BB4B1659B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:43:22 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-I5WZ.A.euH.OmSlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:43:27 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2006, at 14.56, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER >> posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method I was lucky to catch up with a short seminar Rick Walker gave last =20 year in Z=FCrich. I snagged his hand written manuscript too ;-)) Can't =20= recommend his "Rhythm Intensive method" enough! I wish someone had =20 told me 40 years ago that rhythm is the base of musicianship. That =20 would have spared me decades of overplaying due to poor rhythmic =20 understanding. Today it's easy for me to say that ninety nine percent =20= of musicianship is hitting the notes on time and only the very last =20 percent is playing in tune, sticking to some scale or remembering the =20= melody you're supposed to play. I finally found out "the long way". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 15:03:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649BF3BEB0; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e2zeX2K5K5DLtfHJz1rjp0tvsn+pgtKHL0yIAbv7bBlYbSy7ZgXBC893jyFOZzuZljv2toyoZFKh7G25zitY6Gev97IoldYtUq+6ytp+o/Y7wU+nFyKnd5hvCLRUahO2NYhsNdOmK54RUpcBZ7rPCCSDjrH/0n7scyZwN/RHC1k= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:02:58 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING In-Reply-To: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:03:00 +0000 (UTC) > is enough call for them > and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic adjuncts to > making music with looping. Or maybe post links to the blog instead of the whole text? Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 15:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9043BECA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:15:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #509 for December 28, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4595310E.80201@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:13:16 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061228.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #509 December 28, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Darshan Ambient. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Re:Karma" on Lotuspike Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace" by Fear Falls Burning on Equation Records and released in 2006. Darshan Ambient: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Fear Falls Burning Numb With Grace * I'm One of Those Monsters Numb With Grace (Equation) Mark Jenkins Red Bank This Island Earth (Ricochet Dream/AMP) Mark Jenkins Metuchen This Island Earth (Ricochet Dream/AMP) Mark Jenkins Sandy Hook This Island Earth (Ricochet Dream/AMP) Copal River The River Copal River (Blue Water) Bass Communion Part 2 Loss (Soleilmoon) Klaus Schulze Silent Running Trancefer (Revisited) (Version 45) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Darshan Ambient The Cool River Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Boundless Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Tiger in the Grass Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient The Ocean Whispers Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Premonition Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Soul Chameleon Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Box of Sky Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient A Walk Along the Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Ganges Darshan Ambient Mountain Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient Slow Drift Re: Karma (Lotuspike) Darshan Ambient After the Night * Re: Karma (Lotuspike) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Irrlicht" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Trans Harmonic Nights" by Peter Baumann on Virgin Records and released in 1979. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 15:35:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38273BEDA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c72b5e$fede4c10$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <006c01c72b51$29dbbb40$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <2BDF7A24-D3A0-40A1-B3B4-BD5BB4B1659B@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:35:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:35:40 +0000 (UTC) i have spent a good part of my practice time on walking/danicing/clapping/counting in the last year and it has helped me a lot. and it's great fun. last year i bought an e-drumset. since then i am rocking around with grooves and play some gary chester exercises, etc. man, life can be funky! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING On 29 dec 2006, at 14.56, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER >> posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method I was lucky to catch up with a short seminar Rick Walker gave last year in Zürich. I snagged his hand written manuscript too ;-)) Can't recommend his "Rhythm Intensive method" enough! I wish someone had told me 40 years ago that rhythm is the base of musicianship. That would have spared me decades of overplaying due to poor rhythmic understanding. Today it's easy for me to say that ninety nine percent of musicianship is hitting the notes on time and only the very last percent is playing in tune, sticking to some scale or remembering the melody you're supposed to play. I finally found out "the long way". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 16:41:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DCE73BED3; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1554486075.1167410481982.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 8:41:21 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: French vocal looping video Cc: Per Boysen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing Per! That was great! What an enchanting performance. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Per Boysen wrote:=20 > Hi, >=20 > My RSS News Robot found me this today. I think it's a nice demo of =20 > the most basic looping technique where you simply stack layers of =20 > audio to let the same part grow in density. > http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/28/watch-here-chamille-=20 > acuoustic/ >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 17:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BF9D3BEB8; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028301c72b72$cf7a3fb0$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:57:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, all - FYI, I have tagged all the Y2K6 MP3s and re-uploaded them to the server. Let me know if there are any problems. Finally, I mastered Daniel Robbin's MP3s.....they are outstanding. He is one amazing jazz bassist...like Charlie Hunter and Jaco with a loop machine. Truly great chops. However, I can't get a hold of him to get his permission to publish the clips. Anyone know him? I sent him email, and will blind CC him here. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > That is very bizarre. I did not tag any of these MP3s. I edited the raw > files from the recorder with Steinberg's Wavlab, and then converted from > wav to MP3. I'll look into why this would have happened. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Tiedje" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #8 > > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: >>> http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html >>> This addition completes almost all of the Saturday performances (9.5 >>> hours of looping), with exception of Ute Bohn and Daniel Thomas, for >>> whom I am waiting to get permission to post their MP3s. >> >> Two questions: >> >> The files which are associated with Craig McColloch have tags which tell >> its Chris Roberts & Ross Artese. I guess they contain Craigs music and >> the tags are wrong??? >> >> Is Rainer Straschill's "Street" a live recording from Y2K6 or, as the tag >> claims from his album "Different Shades of Grey"? >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 18:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743543BEC2; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: French vocal looping video Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:37:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c72b78$545672d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccrbK6iCxo8l9nhRgSUiga9pOhYawACxNUg In-Reply-To: <5023CC27-986A-43AD-AB7A-CE58491920AB@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0--y0C.A.FjD.XBWlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:37:11 +0000 (UTC) very simple and nice ... I wish Michael Schiefel had videos like that on Youtube, he does stuff that is a bit similar in principle but way more interesting and deep and funny ... I still remember the mindblowing stuff he did in Zurich, totally fascinating the audience ... are you listening Michael? -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 21:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8303BED0; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.241] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061229121955.6A2853BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #936 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:46:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2006 21:46:39.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[D20E7190:01C72B92] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm here to testify,I've heard enough stories from Rick that I try to get him telling stories whenever I get the chance,and I've led a fairly colorful life myself.The book is practically sold already. Dave Trenkel asked: "What a great story, Rick! I'm kind of a sucker for reading musician's memoirs, ever considered writing a book?" You know, it's funny you mention it. I'm not a very famous musician so I've always wondered whether any one would be interested in reading such a book, but I've also been ridiculously blessed to have played with many world class and acknowledged master musicians from around _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 23:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9AA3BED2; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612292356.kBTNuX0q000342@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: French vocal looping video Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:56:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccrbK6iCxo8l9nhRgSUiga9pOhYawACxNUgAAq/N/A= In-Reply-To: <001f01c72b78$545672d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <8rymAB.A.kWC.zsalFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:56:35 +0000 (UTC) I concur, of all the great music in Zurich, and there was so much, Michael was the big surprise for me. I expected to see fine guitarists and instrumentalists, and there were many, but Michael was totally unexpected. I've tried describing him to friends as Bobby McFerrin with serious looping chops, but that would do an injustice to both of them. Michael had great stylistic range, and a Vienna Choir Boy voice. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:37 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: French vocal looping video very simple and nice ... I wish Michael Schiefel had videos like that on Youtube, he does stuff that is a bit similar in principle but way more interesting and deep and funny ... I still remember the mindblowing stuff he did in Zurich, totally fascinating the audience ... are you listening Michael? -mpe -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/608 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 8:22 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/608 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 8:22 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 00:43:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77ED43BED8; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:54:34 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: KP3 To: Message-id: <000601c72bad$12e3bd00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <028301c72b72$cf7a3fb0$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:43:16 +0000 (UTC) This: http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KP3 No explanation is necessary. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 01:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F7E3BED3; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:22:54 +0000 Subject: Re: KP3 From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: KP3 Thread-Index: AccrsQeYRl+3DJekEduQEgAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <000601c72bad$12e3bd00$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I've been watching this one. I'm not sure, as I haven't played with one, but I suspect that Korg may have missed a great opportunity here. There are a couple of operational limitations that would bother me greatly. Namely the way they have 'quantised' the pad and the inability to edit one sample whilst playing others. Take a look at these reviews: http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Korg/Kaoss+Pad+3/ 10/1 There are loads of demo video's on YouTube, but to be honest, the clips from people using KP2s are more impressive. Of course, this might simply be due to the players unfamiliarity with their new unit. Let's hope Korg take these comments into consideration when they are rewriting the software for the KP4 ;) Greg > This: http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KP3 > > No explanation is necessary. > > David Kirkdorffer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 02:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33653BED0; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:18:31 +0000 Subject: Re: French vocal looping video From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: French vocal looping video Thread-Index: AccruMyaCwAiFpesEduQEgAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <5023CC27-986A-43AD-AB7A-CE58491920AB@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-1cgWC.A.YZ.-xclFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Wonderful, thanks Per, another addition for my CD collection soon I think. Of course another enchanting singer who uses looping to great effect is the lovely Imogen Heap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg Greg > Hi, > > My RSS News Robot found me this today. I think it's a nice demo of > the most basic looping technique where you simply stack layers of > audio to let the same part grow in density. > http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/28/watch-here-chamille- > acuoustic/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 02:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 523A13BED3; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c72bbb$89260f00$00ff9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:38:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:36:34 +0000 (UTC) > I've also started posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method at both the FrameDrummers at Yahoogroups and the Frame Drummers tribe at Tribe.net just so some of those ideas would get out into the world. > I always imagined that Kim Flint would cringe if I posted those musings on the theory of rhythm here at Loopers Delight so I have shied away from publishing them here but if there is enough call for them and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic adjuncts to making music with looping. I'd love to see them as well . . . but I suppose I can navigate over to the Frame Drummers group on Tribe? I'll wander over for a look! Hope all's going well! -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 04:45:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9613BED0; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=q9tKFF4eSyHaa4mw66zcocpPLdkNpcutX3uFmA7YZm3sEjzFyxI8wHQ3AqgVZs/iJXWDffWGzyaoRQZLwZszXUC6FiBRI9VnmR80iNOjbCVgUysNyDzZbR5B+HcjXxrKjxVeGR4PQHxTzHX7GmI9NoEz9d357z5oFFzhDQXpteI=; X-YMail-OSG: _BUiZYIVM1nP0o2MRHEqj1g4Zuc5_kTG28XioSSwA99ctqMXM3qu_TH0rQdCWo3lE.FiKFlqstJ0e1O4o67ba9EmpGNBnagBoRdG10.kxDgx.4p75x9k0oxytbymN2ZA8UbxMuDdBm7m9Q-- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: KP3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <297166.78564.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Is the pad really quantized, or does it just work more like the kp2 does when you're using a MIDI synced effect? Mark --- Greg Mills wrote: > the way they have 'quantised' the pad and the > inability to edit one sample __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 05:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A7873BECF; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:25:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: (ot) rhythm intensive method In-Reply-To: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20061230052518.A45393BEB5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:25:21 +0000 (UTC) I also would love to read up more on some of your rhythm instruction. You've shared a few exercises in the past and I found them to be very helpful Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 05:26 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: >Dave Trenkel asked: >"What a great story, Rick! I'm kind of a sucker for reading musician's >memoirs, ever considered writing a book?" > >You know, it's funny you mention it. I'm not a very famous >musician so I've always wondered >whether any one would be interested in reading such a book, but >I've also been ridiculously >blessed to have played with many world class and acknowledged master >musicians from around the >planet and many of the luminaries of both the World Beat movement >in the early 80's and the live looping >movement (if one can call it a movement). I've also had some pretty >interesting and unusual things happen to me >in my life of music. > >What I've been doing lately (mostly because I've realized that it's >very difficult to get either music or memoirs >published) is I've started a blog at Tribe.net. I figured that at >one point I might just take all those writings >and put them together into a memoirs. > >I've also started posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method at >both the FrameDrummers at Yahoogroups >and the Frame Drummers tribe at Tribe.net just so some of those >ideas would get out into the world. > >I always imagined that Kim Flint would cringe if I posted those >musings on the theory of rhythm here at >Loopers Delight so I have shied away from publishing them here but >if there is enough call for them >and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic >adjuncts to making music with looping. > >We'll see. > >Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 05:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6303BEDD; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <297166.78564.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <297166.78564.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:34:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: KP3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:34:57 +0000 (UTC) At 8:45 PM -0800 12/29/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >Is the pad really quantized, or does it just work more >like the kp2 does when you're using a MIDI synced >effect? Well, I got one over the holidays, so here's the "horse's mouth" speaking, as it were. I can tell you that rather than being truly quantized, there's interpolation going on in there that prevents you from actually hearing it on most of the patches. In fact, the main place that I've actually noticed any quantization of the pad is in the synth & drum patches (the tones available are discrete notes, rather than theremin-like glides), or the EQ type patches where you have the pad divided into 4 or 8 bands that can be individually controlled. Those patches intentionally depend upon dividing the pad up into discrete units. They'd be radically different if you didn't. Things like the filter patches don't exhibit any sort of stepping, if that's what you're worried about. It behaves just like the KP1 and (I'm assuming) the KP2. I've also noticed some of what could be referred to as quantization on some of the loop sampler patches, but it's not a bad thing. The Auto-BPM function on this thing rocks; it's very good. Then, the loop sampler grabs a slice based on a beat value depending upon where you manipulate the pad. Depending upon where you slide, you can manipulate the size of the slice between, say, a half-note and a quarter-note. This is done as a jump between those values. It would be a slightly different effect if there were a smooth transition in the slice size after it had been grabbed, but I can imagine it being a nightmare if you accidentally get your finger a sixteenth of an inch off in the initial sampling and grab one and .87625th of a beat. As it is now, the effect is more musical. I've been having the most fun with the granular and loop-sampler stuff. You can almost think of it as the hardware equivalent of some VST's like NI's FastFX or Bram's (SmartElectronix) SupaTrigga. Okay, you really can't do the random slice re-ordering of those programs, but for some nice granular glitchiness and "Max Headroom" type stutter effects, this thing is really cool. The FX Release delay is also nice for adding a few extra synced-beats to an effect, especially if you're tapping the pad morse-code style. The effect I'm the most disappointed in is the reverb, but then again I'm a bit of a reverb-snob. It sounds too metallic/tin-canny for my tastes; reminds me of some of the early Zoom's. Then again, I knew plenty of people who really dug those same Zoom's, so YMM definitely V. Oh, and the manual sucks, BTW. You don't get much sense of what it can do without playing with it -- simple trial and error. Overall, I'm having a lot of fun with it, and with the new illuminated pad it's definitely got the stage-presence thing down. --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 05:55:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801063BEDC; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ep7tlfh/HBiBuQitkaG89MQQ2s9jd2U2MZXH39UpqGSW7ZvDR+tNTEkcUOQ1D20IDH6wyl/2edY3Y/QXOIOAP/GPncNm8xrqmOZV+tMVSjCyea5vlymfmBaNhAhtB1o9XQ3X7SKkmp81S/0tzEE6+UuKl7wB2zZnvOLCOviHwE8= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0612292155g5b46f0abid2a45b0199a1d3f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:54 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 In-Reply-To: <008001c72b43$a55bf9a0$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53188_20217232.1167458154596" References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> <008001c72b43$a55bf9a0$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: <6QCzsB.A.arB.r9flFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:55:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53188_20217232.1167458154596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This patch definitely works. I just bought the RC50 and applied the patch. I'm still going to test out the 2880, but this RC50 with the glitch fixed, is quite the tool!!! 2006/12/29, Ben : > > There is an upgrade available for the RC50 which introduce a new > parameter giving you the chance to remove the hiccup. > > From rolandus.com: > > "This is the latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds the > ability to change the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the "RC50 > Update ReadMe.pdf" for the update procedure. Please refer to the " > RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for this version's additions to the Owner's Manual." > > I don't have the RC so no way to test but some French forum members have > reported good results. Unfortunately no correction for the midiSync. > > Ben. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ramiro Musotto > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 PM > *Subject:* Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 > > the eh 2880 is very easy to learn !!! > cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant use it . > r > ramiro > > I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. > > Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type > setup. > But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I tried > it out at the store. > > The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. > > SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_53188_20217232.1167458154596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This patch definitely works.
I just bought the RC50 and applied the patch.

I'm still going to test out the 2880, but this RC50 with the glitch fixed, is quite the tool!!!



2006/12/29, Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>:
There is an upgrade available for the RC50 which introduce a new parameter giving you the chance to remove the hiccup.
 
 
"This is the latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds the ability to change the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the "RC50 Update ReadMe.pdf" for the update procedure. Please refer to the "RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for this version's additions to the Owner's Manual."
 
I don't have the RC so no way to test but some French forum members have reported good results. Unfortunately no correction for the midiSync.
 
Ben.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880

the eh 2880 is very easy to learn  !!!
cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant use it .
r
ramiro

I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard type setup.
But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when I tried it out at the store.

The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with..

SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76




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kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_53188_20217232.1167458154596-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 06:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195493BEDC; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: scrambled Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:36:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 1d9eb8a2-97d0-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEteYlU6ClZ1 UkhJREJSEg9rBxYF AlAZUwdzfgZYeXh1 e0RgWG9ZWUZ/akYz GTwxEzxREhtgaGcX U0QWcwpSPgIed0oX YgF9SXoKNWUaZ3s0 FUo5Yzw6eG0HcX0F Hw1Wcg0ZSFAQFSQ1 QhoGEDlH X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <5zxTDB.A.PgD.-jglFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:36:47 +0000 (UTC) i just really started using the "scramble" feature of the Looperlative. And boy, it is just so cool....!!! I love it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 06:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDE333BECF; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: jfloridis@aol.com via t10.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(216.161.219.37):. Processed in 0.113712 secs) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0612292155g5b46f0abid2a45b0199a1d3f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> <008001c72b43$a55bf9a0$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> <55e79c0d0612292155g5b46f0abid2a45b0199a1d3f2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-175261125 Message-Id: From: john floridis Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:43:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:43:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-175261125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i've been one of the more vocal complainers about the rc50 glitch, and i concur with what dan says. it does work. the record pedal itself, i would say, is still not as sensitive as say the behringer midi pedal for the edp. somewhat similar to the rc20 you have to remember that the attack is not when your foot hits the pedal but when it actually is fully depressed. i think the behringer pedal is such that you don't have to think about that, but nevertheless, it is so far a very welcome update. the only problem now is that i have taught myself to play "through" one of the first beat of the playback, and now i have to keep reminding myself not to do that. ironically, i feel that the rc2 pedal "action" may be the best of the bunch. i picked one up as a backup and for smaller, more intimate gigs, and so far i have to say it's pretty impressive in that regard. very natural feeling. previous posts have pointed out correctly that to erase a current phrase you have to hold it down and hear the first few seconds of what you were just looping play before it erases (why,....why? why did that seem "ok" to roland), so i am using an extra pedal to stop and erase. then the question is, if by the time you're into the rc2 and the additional stop/erase pedal, you're pretty damn close the rc20, so why go with the rc2? again, i have to say i think the rc2 is smoother in its feel. john --Apple-Mail-2-175261125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've been one of the more vocal complainers = about the rc50 glitch, and i concur with what dan says.=A0 it does = work.=A0 the record pedal itself, i would say, is still not as sensitive = as say the behringer midi pedal for the edp.=A0 somewhat similar to the = rc20 you have to remember that the attack is not when your foot hits the = pedal but when it actually is fully depressed.=A0 i think the behringer = pedal is such that you don't have to think about that, but nevertheless, = it is so far a very welcome update.=A0 the only problem now is that i = have taught myself to play "through"=A0 one of the first beat of = the playback, and now i have to keep reminding myself not to do = that.

ironically, i = feel that the rc2 pedal "action" may be the best of the bunch.=A0 i = picked one up as a backup and for smaller, more intimate gigs, and so = far i have to say it's pretty impressive in that regard.=A0 very natural = feeling.=A0 previous posts have pointed out correctly that to erase a = current phrase you have to hold it down and hear the first few seconds = of what you were just looping play before it erases (why,....why?=A0 why = did that seem "ok" to roland), so i am using an extra pedal to stop and = erase.=A0 then the question is, if by the time you're into the rc2 and = the additional stop/erase pedal, you're pretty damn close the rc20, so = why go with the rc2?=A0 again, i have to say i think the rc2 is smoother = in its feel.

john
= --Apple-Mail-2-175261125-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 07:07:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CCF73BED0; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Tu3O34Zyf4BBH+f7r7ZMPyvLyPQeWCruYFxhs30HcdNxyjUQoiNy7IyOMV/CHKNRY1Rgrbtd2R2ihS/RETMVjFOG2u8cW7+cJergt/InPfJPWNH6EroXSjpGOamtGJQfFtjqEZ0hTELYbxI3qLOpD+53dx4KhBNl2Dj5cV3Quws=; X-YMail-OSG: hhtxLqYVM1lyPpjid4RBPP_lFKga34.btyWiHqfnVH8hK9rdc4avy.XTbW4YHoRGZozAiJGFAbg_YDvrUubNJwyZqhvIfI3WiRVwmNhm1iSwc5.6DVvpz2TrXQ6mbpPHlDm9L5JxiOvaNR0- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: KP3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <518667.75965.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Metalic,tinny,canny? Check your input levels to make sure they're not too hot, then start stuffing tissue paper/foam between the spring coils. post eq and pre limiting help too. Tig --- mech wrote: > At 8:45 PM -0800 12/29/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Is the pad really quantized, or does it just work > more > >like the kp2 does when you're using a MIDI synced > >effect? > > Well, I got one over the holidays, so here's the > "horse's mouth" > speaking, as it were. > > I can tell you that rather than being truly > quantized, there's > interpolation going on in there that prevents you > from actually > hearing it on most of the patches. In fact, the > main place that I've > actually noticed any quantization of the pad is in > the synth & drum > patches (the tones available are discrete notes, > rather than > theremin-like glides), or the EQ type patches where > you have the pad > divided into 4 or 8 bands that can be individually > controlled. Those > patches intentionally depend upon dividing the pad > up into discrete > units. They'd be radically different if you didn't. > > Things like the filter patches don't exhibit any > sort of stepping, if > that's what you're worried about. It behaves just > like the KP1 and > (I'm assuming) the KP2. > > I've also noticed some of what could be referred to > as quantization > on some of the loop sampler patches, but it's not a > bad thing. The > Auto-BPM function on this thing rocks; it's very > good. Then, the > loop sampler grabs a slice based on a beat value > depending upon where > you manipulate the pad. Depending upon where you > slide, you can > manipulate the size of the slice between, say, a > half-note and a > quarter-note. This is done as a jump between those > values. It would > be a slightly different effect if there were a > smooth transition in > the slice size after it had been grabbed, but I can > imagine it being > a nightmare if you accidentally get your finger a > sixteenth of an > inch off in the initial sampling and grab one and > .87625th of a beat. > As it is now, the effect is more musical. > > I've been having the most fun with the granular and > loop-sampler > stuff. You can almost think of it as the hardware > equivalent of some > VST's like NI's FastFX or Bram's (SmartElectronix) > SupaTrigga. Okay, > you really can't do the random slice re-ordering of > those programs, > but for some nice granular glitchiness and "Max > Headroom" type > stutter effects, this thing is really cool. The FX > Release delay is > also nice for adding a few extra synced-beats to an > effect, > especially if you're tapping the pad morse-code > style. > > The effect I'm the most disappointed in is the > reverb, but then again > I'm a bit of a reverb-snob. It sounds too > metallic/tin-canny for my > tastes; reminds me of some of the early Zoom's. > Then again, I knew > plenty of people who really dug those same Zoom's, > so YMM definitely > V. > > Oh, and the manual sucks, BTW. You don't get much > sense of what it > can do without playing with it -- simple trial and > error. > > Overall, I'm having a lot of fun with it, and with > the new > illuminated pad it's definitely got the > stage-presence thing down. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 07:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7356B3BED3; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rTwHGXy/DwUlLb5v04jVI9qrgsfBy3/4UXi6bdQme2mopPWzKE6H+vsA38Tghr2cfeVg4H0SMn8fjlhFwUk99jCuzA3gNyAoQUiCTZMdgOSv1I93y3zqZwnK0UaqnV5g2rIUcV2StU3h/MwclfJXxqttEGylqMXdOvBuC1hoaks=; X-YMail-OSG: D6qv6DMVM1mgw7v_gI7urkKXFM7AYbQ8evK9gt5AuVPjjvMKEb9RQvJjPzzrUNTMayvheUhMIqX2yxUKkE66Rii.8KLbdPEmf80LRYI.e9XVWoCxdmoWUPHPIqw0SgXI6_4wLUPnSWjgu3I- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: KP3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <518667.75965.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <88589.61169.qm@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Pre EQing helps too. Tig, oops Rig --- bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Metalic,tinny,canny? Check your input levels to > make > sure they're not too hot, then start stuffing tissue > paper/foam between the spring coils. post eq and pre > limiting help too. > Tig > --- mech wrote: > > > At 8:45 PM -0800 12/29/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Is the pad really quantized, or does it just work > > more > > >like the kp2 does when you're using a MIDI synced > > >effect? > > > > Well, I got one over the holidays, so here's the > > "horse's mouth" > > speaking, as it were. > > > > I can tell you that rather than being truly > > quantized, there's > > interpolation going on in there that prevents you > > from actually > > hearing it on most of the patches. In fact, the > > main place that I've > > actually noticed any quantization of the pad is in > > the synth & drum > > patches (the tones available are discrete notes, > > rather than > > theremin-like glides), or the EQ type patches > where > > you have the pad > > divided into 4 or 8 bands that can be individually > > controlled. Those > > patches intentionally depend upon dividing the pad > > up into discrete > > units. They'd be radically different if you > didn't. > > > > Things like the filter patches don't exhibit any > > sort of stepping, if > > that's what you're worried about. It behaves just > > like the KP1 and > > (I'm assuming) the KP2. > > > > I've also noticed some of what could be referred > to > > as quantization > > on some of the loop sampler patches, but it's not > a > > bad thing. The > > Auto-BPM function on this thing rocks; it's very > > good. Then, the > > loop sampler grabs a slice based on a beat value > > depending upon where > > you manipulate the pad. Depending upon where you > > slide, you can > > manipulate the size of the slice between, say, a > > half-note and a > > quarter-note. This is done as a jump between > those > > values. It would > > be a slightly different effect if there were a > > smooth transition in > > the slice size after it had been grabbed, but I > can > > imagine it being > > a nightmare if you accidentally get your finger a > > sixteenth of an > > inch off in the initial sampling and grab one and > > .87625th of a beat. > > As it is now, the effect is more musical. > > > > I've been having the most fun with the granular > and > > loop-sampler > > stuff. You can almost think of it as the hardware > > equivalent of some > > VST's like NI's FastFX or Bram's (SmartElectronix) > > SupaTrigga. Okay, > > you really can't do the random slice re-ordering > of > > those programs, > > but for some nice granular glitchiness and "Max > > Headroom" type > > stutter effects, this thing is really cool. The > FX > > Release delay is > > also nice for adding a few extra synced-beats to > an > > effect, > > especially if you're tapping the pad morse-code > > style. > > > > The effect I'm the most disappointed in is the > > reverb, but then again > > I'm a bit of a reverb-snob. It sounds too > > metallic/tin-canny for my > > tastes; reminds me of some of the early Zoom's. > > Then again, I knew > > plenty of people who really dug those same Zoom's, > > so YMM definitely > > V. > > > > Oh, and the manual sucks, BTW. You don't get much > > sense of what it > > can do without playing with it -- simple trial and > > error. > > > > Overall, I'm having a lot of fun with it, and with > > the new > > illuminated pad it's definitely got the > > stage-presence thing down. > > > > --m. > > -- > > _______ > > "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 07:15:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 902C23BEDF; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <518667.75965.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518667.75965.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:15:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: KP3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:15:47 +0000 (UTC) At 11:07 PM -0800 12/29/06, bill bigrig wrote: > > Metalic,tinny,canny? Check your input levels to make >sure they're not too hot, then start stuffing tissue >paper/foam between the spring coils. post eq and pre >limiting help too. Heheheheheheh! Yeah, I accidentally kicked it last night, and the resulting 'explosion' almost blew a speaker. <*evil grin*> Ah, weren't those the days.... ;) --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 09:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F433BEC2; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01f601c72b33$dccf5450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3241A252-F352-4832-8661-4972EC0CDA8E@xmlizer.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: OT: 40 YEARS of DRUMMING Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:56:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-BcxED.A.mOE.8ejlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Why not publish the rhythm intensive (or portions thereof) on the looppool.info website and advertise it in the forums? If you want to later extend it you only need to update one place. You'll be freed of the formatting and structuring limitations of mailing lists and blogs. Interested parties won't be forced to subscribe to the yahoo group. You'll generate focussed traffic to the looppool.info website. I'll be one of the first to visit the link! Bernhard On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:26 :54, RICK WALKER wrote: > What I've been doing lately (mostly because I've realized that it's > very difficult to get either music or memoirs > published) is I've started a blog at Tribe.net. I figured that at > one point I might just take all those writings > and put them together into a memoirs. > > I've also started posting portions of my Rhythm Intensive method at > both the FrameDrummers at Yahoogroups > and the Frame Drummers tribe at Tribe.net just so some of those > ideas would get out into the world. > > I always imagined that Kim Flint would cringe if I posted those > musings on the theory of rhythm here at > Loopers Delight so I have shied away from publishing them here but > if there is enough call for them > and if Kim is amenable, I could post them here as Off Topic > adjuncts to making music with looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 10:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57AE03BEB9; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , Greg Mills Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:17:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: French vocal looping video Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45963CCB.29339.130487@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:17:53 +0000 (UTC) On 30 Dec 2006 at 2:18, Greg Mills wrote: > think. Of course another enchanting singer who uses looping to great > effect is the lovely Imogen Heap > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg Stunning! All I knew of her was from the vocals on a Jeff Beck track or two - this is inspired - what a voice..... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 11:07:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B49F3BEDA; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: sean@seanmormelo.com via t7.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(75.80.45.68):. Processed in 0.776909 secs) Message-ID: <000201c72c02$a84e9ef0$6501a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <55e79c0d0612280653q49e9191bycf7d8dc7e9469ac0@mail.gmail.com> <008001c72b43$a55bf9a0$6601a8c0@Ruelle2> <55e79c0d0612292155g5b46f0abid2a45b0199a1d3f2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:57:03 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C72B8B.E461C650" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:07:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C72B8B.E461C650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so what setting did you put it on specifically to fix the glitch..I = still do not understand what the hell Roland is talking about in the = PDF... Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Katayama=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880 This patch definitely works. I just bought the RC50 and applied the patch. I'm still going to test out the 2880, but this RC50 with the glitch = fixed, is quite the tool!!! 2006/12/29, Ben : There is an upgrade available for the RC50 which introduce a new = parameter giving you the chance to remove the hiccup. From rolandus.com: "This is the latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds = the ability to change the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the = "RC50 Update ReadMe.pdf" for the update procedure. Please refer to the = "RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for this version's additions to the Owner's = Manual." I don't have the RC so no way to test but some French forum members = have reported good results. Unfortunately no correction for the = midiSync. Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ramiro Musotto=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880=20 the eh 2880 is very easy to learn !!! cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou cant = use it . r ramiro I'm still contemplating..which way to go on this one. Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and already comes in a footboard = type setup. But I noticed the little hiccup after making the first loop when = I tried it out at the store. The 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with.. SOMEONE HELP ME TO DECIDE!! -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --=20 kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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so what setting did you put it on = specifically to=20 fix the glitch..I still do not understand what the hell Roland is = talking about=20 in the PDF...
 
Sean Mormelo
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Katayama
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 = 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: boss rc50 vs = mh2880

This patch definitely works.
I just bought the RC50 = and=20 applied the patch.

I'm still going to test out the 2880, but = this RC50=20 with the glitch fixed, is quite the tool!!!



2006/12/29, Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>:
There is an upgrade available for = the RC50=20 which introduce a new parameter giving you the chance to remove the=20 hiccup.
 
From rolandus.com:
 
"This is=20 the latest operating system for the RC-50. This update adds the = ability to=20 change the Playback-start Operation. Please refer to the "RC50 = Update=20 ReadMe.pdf" for the update procedure. Please refer to the=20 "RC-50AdditionsOM.pdf" for this version's additions to the Owner's=20 Manual."
 
I don't have the RC so no way to = test but some=20 French forum members have reported good results. Unfortunately no = correction=20 for the midiSync.
 
Ben.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ramiro = Musotto
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
Sent:=20 Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject:=20 Re: boss rc50 vs mh2880

the eh 2880 is very easy to learn  !!!
cons: the metronome goes by the main output , that is , yiou = cant use=20 it .
r
ramiro

I'm still = contemplating..which way=20 to go on this one.

Pricewise, the RC50 is cheaper, and = already=20 comes in a footboard type setup.
But I noticed the little = hiccup=20 after making the first loop when I tried it out at the = store.

The=20 2880..gives me one more loop track to play with..

SOMEONE = HELP ME=20 TO DECIDE!!

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76
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I look forward to your earliest reply through my Private email address: Yours faithifully MR TONY KIMBERLY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 12:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE173BED2; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014001c72c0a$07e40e70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: References: <20061230052521.96A933BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: 2007!!!!! Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:59:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=1.0 tests=AWL,PLING_PLING autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Years to Everybody! I think 2007 may be the cultural watershed year of this first decade of the new Millennium in much the way the 1967 and 1968 were defining years, culturally in the 1960s. We've been in a really flat place for a long time here in the United States (waiting out the Bush regime's end) but I think the tide has turned, culturally and artistically. The older paradigms of the music industry are dying rapidly (Tower Records completely out of business?). We are in a new phase where people don't listen to whole albums much anymore..................they are able to get the lion share of their music for free on the web and listen to it on I pods. A lot of things are changing which means that a lot of new ways of communicating are on their ways. The musical and artistic communities of the future are starting to be built now through places like this website, tribe.net, myspace, youtube.com, etc. The amount of information on many, many things musically is available almost instantaneously, now on the web. I spent the evening watching looping French pop vocalists, Russian world fusion multi-instrumentalists, 12 years old South Indian girls who are going to be the next generations' master drummers, online tutorials for Max/MSP and Jitter, directions for reinstalling my MAudio Firewire audio computer interface, all just sitting in front of my computer. I worked on Arabic maqams on my Armenian Duduk, my purple anodized pocket trumpet, my Rick Turner purple fretless acoustic/electric bass and my voice out of a book that I found online and ordered through the independent bookstore where my wife works. Ten years ago, ney five years ago, I couldn't have possibly had as productive and knowledge increasing a day as I did today. *********************************** Someone once said that artists are the Antennae of a Culture. Because they are so sensitive, they can frequently see changes coming in the culture long before they occur. It's an exciting time to be alive............... a challenging time to be alive, ecologically and economically. A lot of things are going to change and very, very rapidly. I think we are on the cutting edge in this musical movement of Live Looping of a lot of what's going to change and define the paradigms of live playing in the next decades to come. In the past years, a very large number of very famous and prominent artists had musicians in their bands who are using live looping tools. I saw a show with Thomas Dolby, Loop Station and Genie where EVERYONE was looping live on stage and there wasn't a single word about Live Looping anywhere. That made me really happy. We are finally starting to arrive in the musical landscape. I could not have written that paragraph 5 years ago. Things are changing. I feel happy and blessed to be part of this community that is so innovative and also so supportive of each other's artistry. Happy New Years everyone. May you all have a fantastic year, creatively. Throw caution to the wind....................................Put out a CD! Throw a festival! Buy recordings from your fellow artists. Let's do it!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 12:15:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3CF73BED3; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018a01c72c0c$2b205f40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap was: French Looping Vocalist Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:15:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <1iHM.A.RQC.XhllFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Greg wrote: "Wonderful, thanks Per, another addition for my CD collection soon I think. Of course another enchanting singer who uses looping to great effect is the lovely Imogen Heap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg" Wow, I've not seen her yet, That was really great. And to think, that our own ubertalented and beautiful Zoe Keating toured extensively with Imogen (and may still be as far as I know) doing amazing looping cello. How cool is that? We should also, along with Camille, Imogen Heap and Michael Schieffel mention Kid Beyond (who tore down the house at a sold out BucketHead show recently at the Catalyst for a rock audience with just him mouth), our own wonderful Amy X Neuburg, Pushing Air, Dark Muse (Phyll Smith), Ute Bonn and, very humbly, myself as people who have gotten out and done all acapella live looping shows. Who else is doing this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 12:27:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4AE3BEDE; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FIUpKg/9b21Hz2rVZYQLrsowIwSnwNAIT7kDZCmpHKKVXLw2hTcesERITS4w5YH0tn4Mw7D30P69ZAD3spF7PvxXxEOG/VmqB+ikvaAZ9kB/tHMVLfd5CVxXe9+rRddKaoZYlqXig3e/ADEQIGwc/X1oiwXSmbDac44wGWyF0cg=; X-YMail-OSG: WvX.Tg8VM1kMnWlJr7z785gMMZNtAItR6B0t_DKoHidrE4IdgKeYCVAI7lmxCtRoKm0uTZdfz0gVhblUzER78CXHuj95xeJrPbbTWaajnVjrOg2GlR9vLme10OZq2xpRTyO7StKHcjaqS2E- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:27:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap was: French Looping Vocalist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018a01c72c0c$2b205f40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <128323.87272.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:27:13 +0000 (UTC) This one's got a looper's mishap and a tiny bit of Zoe at the end... -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 12:38:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFFED3BECA; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019001c72c0f$5888cb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: The RHYTHM INTENSIVE (basic one beat sycopations) for Live Looping Musicians Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:38:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=1.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Here unless there is objection, is the basis of the rhythmic system that I have worked up called the RHYTHM INTENSIVE ********************************************************** ********************************************************** Here is the system of 16 notes and triple eight notes I talked about in earlier posts. Again, with all of these things, If you ever teach this to anyone would you please credit me for coming up with these systems of thinking about rhythm. THE BASIC ONE BEAT SYNCOPATIONS c 1978 Rick Walker (audible groups arranged in parenthesis) BASIC 16th NOTE SYNCOS: (with the basic one beat ride rhythms to the right in quotations) "ONES" A) X * * * "Quarter Notes" 1 (e + a ) B) * X * * (1) e (+ a ) C) * * X * "Offbeat 8th Notes" (1 e) + (a) D) * * * X (1 e +) a "TWOS TOGETHER" E) X X * * "Downbeat 16ths" 1 e (+ a ) F) * X X * (1) e + (a) G) * * X X "Upbeat or Offbeat 16ths" (1 e) + a "TWOS APART" H) X * X * "8th Notes or 'straight' 8th Notes" 1 (e) + (a) I) X * * X 1(e) + (a) J) * X * X (1) e (+) a "THREES TOGETHER" K) X X X * "ride popular in Reggae/Caribbean rhythms without a name" 1 e + (a) L) * X X X (1) e + a "THREES APART" M) X * X X "Galloping Horse Ride" 1 (e) + a N) X X * X 1 e (+) a "FOUR" O) X X X X "Sixteenth Notes" 1 e + a "NONE" P) * * * * (1 e + a) BASIC TRIPLET 8th NOTE SYNCOS: "ONES" Q) X * * "Quarter Note" 1 (+ a) R) * X * (1) + (a) S) * * X "The Shuffle Note" (1 +) a "TWOS TOGETHER" T) X X * "Downbeat Triplets" 1 + (a) U) * X X "Upbeat Triplets" (1) + a "TWO APART" V) X * X "Shuffles" 1 (+) a "THREE" W) X X X "Triplets" 1 + a "NONE" Q) * * * (1 + a) NOTE: A) and P) are the same written rhythms as Q) and X) (respectively quarter notes and quarter rests both) But A) and P) are counted as 16th notes whereas Q) and X) are counted as 8th note triplets. This is the reason for this redundancy in the system. ***************************************************************** Each one of these figures has a distinctive rhythm personality and affects the nervous system differently (more on that later) However, it is not enough to memorize these 24 different rhythmic figures for this salient reason: Let's take Syncopation N = X X * X as an example If you heard this rhythm combined with a quarter rest (Syncopation P) It would sound like a double hit and a single hit, where the double begins on the downbeat and the single occurs right before the next downbeat, like this: N P X X * X * * * * 1 e (+) a (2 e + a) If , however, you were to play syncopation N two times in a row, it produces an entirely different rhythmic pattern (or audible grouping) to your ears: N N X X * X X X * X 1 e (+) a 2 e (+) a Audibly, this pattern has a DOUBLE followed by a TRIPLE followed by a SINGLE note audible grouping. If you were to hear a string player play this particular rhythm, your brain doesn't come in and say "That's not a TRIPLE, That's a DOUBLE on the last beats of 1 and a SINGLE on the first beat of 2 Because the brain won't differentiate this means that in order to master all of these rhythmic possibilities, we need to play all of them in TWO BEAT combinations. I add two beats of rest (P followed by P) just so we can hear the figures clearly. So, you would practice this system this way to master all the possibilities (then it becomes modular for all rhythms using Quarter notes, 8th notes, 16th notes or triplet 8th notes) your exercises would begin like this: A A P P A B P P A C P P A D / / A E / / all the way to A P P P Then you would start on B A P P B B P P B C P P etc., etc. This will produce 24 pages of rhythms............ Does this make sense? The next time you take on any technique...............try playing that technique (interspersed with non-accented strokes on all rests) by utilizing this system. Do it every day, all the way through all 320 exercises and in a month , watch what happens to both your technique and to your drumming. It's pretty powerful ENJOY! Rick Walker * This posting is incredibly far away from an advertisement just so you know, but if you are interested in learning more about how to utilize this information in your own musical studies, I will begin, in the new year, to offer online advanced tutorials in using and understanding how this system works in arrangement, improvisation, composition and live looping. I'll be setting up an I sight web camera with my laptop computer so that lessons can be taken remotely as long as one has a computer fast enough to run a chat/video program like Yahoo Messenger for anyone who is interested in this. I've had a lot of people fly in to California to take this four week course but it's a new age and it's time we took advantage of all of this technology. Let me know if you are interested by emailing me offlist at rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 13:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 968563BED0; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a401c72c13$ede5f560$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: The RHYTHM INSTENSIVE The use of RHYTHMIC SUBSETS (or SKELETILIZATIONS) in arrangemet and improvisation Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:10:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:10:53 +0000 (UTC) The classical composer and theoretician Arnold Schoenberg has been credited as saying that all composition is just very slow improvisation. It stands to reason , then that improvisation can be thought of as very fast composition. The use of Rhythmic Subsets when responding to another persons rhythm is a very powerful, real time strategy for improvising (or real time arranging as it can be thought of in this sense) and for composition and arrangement in non real time playing. Here is an examples of what I'm talking about and a powerful way of utilizing In a question about the double stroke exercise, someone asked me about the relationship of the Tresillo rhythm (two beat syncopation combination I C) to the Cinquillo rhythm. (two beat syncopation combination M F). Both rhythms were carried with the West Africans that the Moors enslaved into Spain when the Moors conquered Spain and then later were brought to the New World when the Spanish Christians defeated the Moors. They are the African rhythmic basis of Afro Cuban music. This creative legacy of the horrible practice of slavery also brought with it, the rhythmic basis of blues, jazz and, later, r&b and rock n' roll in American music history. Tresillo is, literally, a subset or a skeletilization (reduction) of the rhythm Cinquillo X * * X * * X * X * X X * X X * If you analyze rhythm sections in pop music from around the world, frequently rhythms are played that are subsets of the dominant ostinato rhythm in the parts that make up the whole ensemble. This is particularly true in the African Diaspora model of groove playing for dancing. A really wonderful exercise is to play only subsets of a particular rhythm. You can get incredible results using this technique and it is astonishingly how many measure you can play without repeating yourself. In a way, this is a kind of negative improvisation but the results it give you are always consonant, rhythmically speaking with whatever ostinato forms the basis of the rhythm or groove you are playing. The formula for determining how many possible subsets there are internal to a rhythm is 2 to the N power where N = the number of notes in a rhythm. As an example, the number of subsets in this rhythm X X * X = 2 to the 3rd power (2 X 2 X 2) so the rhythms internal to this rhythm are, including the very important last rhythm which is a rest on all 4 16th notes 1) synco A X * * * first single audible note 2) synco B * X * * second single audible note 3) synco D * * * X third single audible note 4) synco E X X * * first double audible combination 5) synco I X * * X first two note 'apart' combination 6) synco J * X * X second two note 'apart' combination 7) synco N X X * X first triple note combination 8) synco P * * * * the ever important and frequently neglected null set. When you take a rhythm like Cinquillo (M F) X * X X * X X * there are 32 possible rhythms internal to is (2 to the 5th power = 32) Tresillo is one of them This is a really powerful and complex game if you start playing with rhythms as complex as Cascara from Cuban Rumba music X * X X * X * X X * X * X X * X where there are an astonishing 1,024 possible measure of music you could play utilizing subsets of the rhythm and never once repeating yourself Mastery of all the possible combinations of ALL 16 notes is close to impossible (there are 65, 536 subsets of 16 notes - 2 to the 16th power) unless we realize that any 16 note pattern is merely the addition of two 8 note patterns. Buy memorizing the 256 two beat Syncopation combinations we have not learned some of the possibilities of skeletilization but ALL of the possibilities. This is really, really powerful rhythmically and worth the 1 to 6 months of work it takes to master all these exercises. Ones rhythmic ear will grow immeasurably by working through the 256 16th note combinations and the 64 triplet 8th note combinations. If you use this way of thinking when you are improvising it forms a very powerful way of moving the rhythm and yet never being what the Cubans call CRUZADO or crossed with the rhythm. Just for starters, try improvising with only the subsets of Cinquillo to see how powerful this is. Below is a list of all of the subset possibilities of any combination of notes up to 16. 1 note rhythm = 2 subsets 2 note rhythm = 4 subsets 3 note rhythm = 8 subsets 4 note rhythm = 16 subsets 5 note rhythm = 32 subsets 6 note rhythm = 64 subsets 7 note rhythm = 128 subsets 8 note rhythm = 256 subsets 9 note rhythm = 512 subsets 10 note rhythm = 1,024 subsets 11 note rhythm = 2,048 subsets 12 note rhythm = 4,096 subsets 13 note rhythm = 8,192 subsets 14 note rhythm = 16,384 subsets 15 note rhythm = 32,768 subsets 16 note rhythm = 65,536 subsets From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 13:42:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 049FD3BEDA; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BJCu/vw3OdDMwyNepvkAAs6RYmyAdw/8MSdJHz7SgKDToi8sOM+cvDtgvQbhLgFM4AaOV031sbSqP5pw82z0rnmKouEdbZuv0LXZPcRzAxXM8p+3Jq86puCMyBcOtJ4Xhuek8gHX0kbJoU3+bHuGUeXM9baifFg1I1SzOUP7Fb8= ; Message-ID: <20061230134238.76480.qmail@web27712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9jBB5acVM1kiPGib5fZXxYO9ICBIcxM1yNAYbi5kxg804ohTrNhWD0GnbxNE10xrcQ-- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:42:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap was: French Looping Vocalist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018a01c72c0c$2b205f40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3M5HY.A.-ZE.PzmlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:42:39 +0000 (UTC) I can testify that Zoë & Immi's show in Glasgow was one of the highlights of the year, along with Barbara Morgenstern & Robert Lippok (laptops and Ableton Live, I think) and Tom Verlaine & Jimmy Rip (which included much looping, including an excellent take on "Little Johnny Jewel"). It was a very good year for finding new music in variety of places, and something in me water makes me suspect 2007 will be even better. Here's hoping anyway ! Have a good New Year when it comes. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 14:13:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF8DF3BEDE; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:13:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival was declared the Most Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts in the Santa Cruz Sentinels' BEST picks for the year 2006. Yeah for us!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 15:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59E33BECD; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [82.123.155.80] X-Originating-Email: [jrose0@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jrose0@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <014001c72c0a$07e40e70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Jeremy Rose" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 01:02:48 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2006 15:02:50.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[932DD380:01C72C23] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:02:53 +0000 (UTC) >From: "RICK WALKER" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: 2007!!!!! >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:59:59 -0800 > >Happy New Years to Everybody! > >I think 2007 may be the cultural watershed year of this first decade of the >new Millennium >in much the way the 1967 and 1968 were defining years, culturally in the >1960s. > >We've been in a really flat place for a long time here in the United States >(waiting out the Bush >regime's end) but I think the tide has turned, culturally and artistically. > >The older paradigms of the music industry are dying rapidly (Tower Records >completely out of business?). >We are in a new phase where people don't listen to whole albums much >anymore..................they are able >to get the lion share of their music for free on the web and listen to it >on I pods. > >A lot of things are changing which means that a lot of new ways of >communicating are on their ways. > >The musical and artistic communities of the future are starting to be built >now through places >like this website, tribe.net, myspace, youtube.com, etc. > >The amount of information on many, many things musically is available >almost instantaneously, now on the web. >I spent the evening watching looping French pop vocalists, Russian world >fusion multi-instrumentalists, 12 years >old South Indian girls who are going to be the next generations' master >drummers, online tutorials for >Max/MSP and Jitter, directions for reinstalling my MAudio Firewire audio >computer interface, all >just sitting in front of my computer. I worked on Arabic maqams on my >Armenian Duduk, my purple anodized >pocket trumpet, my Rick Turner purple fretless acoustic/electric bass and >my voice out of a book that I found >online and ordered through the independent bookstore where my wife works. > >Ten years ago, ney five years ago, I couldn't have possibly had as >productive and knowledge increasing a day as I did today. > >*********************************** >Someone once said that artists are the Antennae of a Culture. Because they >are so sensitive, they can frequently see changes >coming in the culture long before they occur. > >It's an exciting time to be alive............... a challenging time to be >alive, ecologically and economically. >A lot of things are going to change and very, very rapidly. > >I think we are on the cutting edge in this musical movement of Live Looping >of a lot of what's going to change and define >the paradigms of live playing in the next decades to come. > >In the past years, a very large number of very famous and prominent >artists had musicians in their bands who are using live looping tools. I >saw a show with Thomas Dolby, Loop Station and Genie where EVERYONE was >looping live on stage >and there wasn't a single word about Live Looping anywhere. That made >me really happy. > >We are finally starting to arrive in the musical landscape. I could not >have written that paragraph 5 years ago. > >Things are changing. > >I feel happy and blessed to be part of this community that is so innovative >and also so supportive of each other's artistry. > >Happy New Years everyone. May you all have a fantastic year, >creatively. > >Throw caution to the wind....................................Put out a CD! >Throw a festival! Buy recordings from your fellow artists. >Let's do it!!!!!! > _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Mobiles, computers, handsets, iPODs and more! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fcat%5FPhones%5Fns%5FTrue%5Foff%5F0%5Fsect%5FAutomotive%5Fsort%5FotRZSQ1BJDZfdRZSQSearchDisplayPriorityIndAVSCotRZSQ1BJDZfdRZSQFirstPublished%5Fsqt%5F2%5Fsrch%5Fmobile%2Bphones%5Fsrchtype%5Fint%5Fstate%5F9%5Fstpg%5F1%5Fsubs%5FUsed%2BCars%5F%3Freferrer%3Dplacement13&_t=759568604&_r=Email_Tagline1&_m=EXT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 15:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A9C3BEDC; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Touch the Sound! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <5sROKD.A.MmG.QAolFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:04:48 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, David Coffin wrote: > Greetings, and Happy Hols to you all. > > Don?t know if this has been mentioned before, but if you haven?t seen Touch > the Sound, the documentary about Evelyn Glennie, the deaf percussionist, BY > ALL MEANS check it out! She plays extensively with Fred Frith, and many > others, in a stunningly moving spectacle of sounds and visuals; definitely > one of the best movies about art, music or sensation I?ve ever seen. Here?s a > Netflix link: > http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70033401&trkid=90529 > > Best, > dc I saw this at the beginning of the year when it came thorugh the local artfilm theatres. Enjoyed it, recommend it. It's directed by the same director who did the documentary _Rivers and Tides_ on the artist Andy Goldsworthy. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 15:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04C523BED8; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Boss pedal reponse (was RE: boss rc50 vs mh2880) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:39:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accr3eCk+UliZy7yQAaaMtkgeyHCVwASjRog Message-Id: <20061230153933.MMNS29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) somewhat similar to the rc20 you have to remember that the attack is not when your foot hits the pedal but when it actually is fully depressed. ---->I had problems with my RC-20 until I cut the springs inside the switches in half--now I barely have to touch the switches to activate the unit. It's sure no EDP but I wind up using it more. Happy New Year-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 16:33:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079D63BEB8; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <7BAD2019-6DCF-42FC-9CA6-FD2E1271643A@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-210625591 From: darren baldwin Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:33:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2006-12-30_02:2006-12-29,2006-12-29,2006-12-30 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0612300034 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:33:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-210625591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed please tell me how i can unsubscribe from the outrageous amount of emails i keep receiving from unknown people the columbus complex --Apple-Mail-10-210625591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII please tell me how i can unsubscribe from the outrageous amount of emails i keep receiving from unknown people

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--Apple-Mail-10-210625591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 16:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2774F3BEDA; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: how to unsubscribe from this list In-Reply-To: <7BAD2019-6DCF-42FC-9CA6-FD2E1271643A@mac.com> Message-ID: References: <7BAD2019-6DCF-42FC-9CA6-FD2E1271643A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:38:13 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, darren baldwin wrote: > please tell me how i can unsubscribe from the outrageous amount of emails i > keep receiving from unknown people Copied from http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 16:39:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02903BECF; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UuLrW+3ZyUppp//CWLxoklB8nwSrCLzZxw6Ew8fndygg4CnVXQvcJekKI6dmEMqeRAeJS2kvWRbh55INC97yLaFMEKbpfTBAOeD2fvzKaKz6dmT/6SHuavH3sG9ZXloPTDito/ej0L2viJXS1zv3TZoRJtwgVcBCsbnqAQeCoNU= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0612300839q56ea88abj40d416f9c9e3c892@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:39:32 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss pedal reponse (was RE: boss rc50 vs mh2880) In-Reply-To: <20061230153933.MMNS29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54508_14353576.1167496772303" References: <20061230153933.MMNS29122.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:39:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54508_14353576.1167496772303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As for pedal action on the RC50, I'm still trying to get used to it.. I'm so used to the switch on the Akai Headrush, that the RC50 seems a bit hard to press. Hopefully I'll get used to this in a few days... 2006/12/30, Gary Lehmann : > > > somewhat similar to the rc20 you have to remember that the attack is not > when your foot hits the pedal but when it actually is fully depressed. > ---->I had problems with my RC-20 until I cut the springs inside the > switches in half--now I barely have to touch the switches to activate the > unit. > It's sure no EDP but I wind up using it more. > Happy New Year-- > Gary > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_54508_14353576.1167496772303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As for pedal action on the RC50, I'm still trying to get used to it..
I'm so used to the switch on the Akai Headrush, that the RC50 seems a bit hard to press.
Hopefully I'll get used to this in a few days...


2006/12/30, Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net>:
<snip>
somewhat similar to the rc20 you have to remember that the attack is not
when your foot hits the pedal but when it actually is fully depressed.
---->I had problems with my RC-20 until I cut the springs inside the
switches in half--now I barely have to touch the switches to activate the
unit.
It's sure no EDP but I wind up using it more.
Happy New Year--
Gary





--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_54508_14353576.1167496772303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 18:55:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5B83BED2; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05ec01c72c44$0e31ee20$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:55:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7nUuG.A.zXG.bYrlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:55:24 +0000 (UTC) This is excellent, Rick. Thanks again for making such an amazing event possible. You are an inspiration amongst festival coordinators. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:13 AM Subject: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California > Hey, > Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival was declared the Most > Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts in the Santa Cruz Sentinels' > BEST picks for the year 2006. > > Yeah for us!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 19:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53ECD3BECC; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GYLjBY3v6j9GjfdTdko3ryrW0wRZPZAMgPf06XMZYHqeiPJLCUDug9pIAOaKqerZhSkYCHG22nrQHETup1rcoqvvGH+s3ILswXVuOU0m6+B8rZYkH4qygdHPIL3E702MTgpAlveJMkbjujTOTCWSr+5Zfo/JylN/chTtku1TB7g= Message-ID: <9e0440a60612301116o4183cd60w60ff31852297efe3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:16:48 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California In-Reply-To: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_116641_11869468.1167506208236" References: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:16:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_116641_11869468.1167506208236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's great news, glad to have been a small part of this, will post this quote by the link on my calendar Cheers in 07 to all... Jim New Jim Goodin YouTube videos... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jim+Goodin On 12/30/06, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Hey, > > Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival was declared the > Most Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts in the > Santa Cruz Sentinels' BEST picks for the year 2006. > > Yeah for us!!!!! > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_116641_11869468.1167506208236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
That's great news, glad to have been a small part of this, will post this quote by the link on my calendar
 
Cheers in 07 to all...
 
Jim


 
On 12/30/06, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hey,

Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival was declared the
Most Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts in the
Santa Cruz Sentinels'  BEST picks for the year  2006.

Yeah for us!!!!!




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_116641_11869468.1167506208236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 20:29:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7962E3BEB9; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002901c72c51$2a603630$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <019001c72c0f$5888cb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: The RHYTHM INTENSIVE (basic one beat sycopations) for Live Looping Musicians Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:29:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <2okQ2.A.PjB.gwslFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rick question below SNIPED > ***************************************************************** > Each one of these figures has a distinctive rhythm personality and affects > the nervous system differently (more on that later) > > However, it is not enough to memorize these 24 different rhythmic figures > for this salient reason: > > Let's take Syncopation N = X X * X as an example > > If you heard this rhythm combined with a quarter rest (Syncopation P) > > It would sound like a double hit and a single hit, where the double begins > on the downbeat and the single occurs > right before the next downbeat, like this: > > N P > X X * X * * * * > 1 e (+) a (2 e + a) > > If , however, you were to play syncopation N two times in a row, > it produces an entirely different rhythmic pattern (or audible grouping) > to your ears: > > N N > X X * X X X * X > 1 e (+) a 2 e (+) a > > Audibly, this pattern has a DOUBLE followed by a TRIPLE followed by a > SINGLE note audible grouping. I can follow till here but you did ommit some explanations about "DOUBLES" and TRIPLES" and "SINGLES" ???? without some more all the minimum 2 beat justification doesnt make sense because if I have a strong feel of the beat I have no problem separating N from N or whatever other combination > If you were to hear a string player play this particular rhythm, your > brain doesn't come in and say > "That's not a TRIPLE, That's a DOUBLE on the last beats of 1 and a SINGLE > on the first beat of 2 why if I clearly know where the beat is ? SNIPPED again thanks a lot Rick Claude PS: I'm asking those details because I was there in Zurich enjoying all the brilliant clapping you made us go thru and I suspect there is a little more to it :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 22:26:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A983BECA; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d601c72c61$8343d8a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: THE RHYTHM INTENSIVE reposting of ONE BEAT SYNCOPATIONS and with important correction Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:26:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=1.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Chris Cohn alerted me to a mistake I made in typing this up. I wrote: " (audible groups arranged in parenthesises) " This is incorrect! if should have said (Audible groupings surrounded by Quoatation Marks) This refers, only , to the groups "ONES", "TWOS TOGETHER", "TWOS APART" etc. Parenthesized notes are non-audible notes below I've reposted it in it's correct form: ********************************************************** ********************************************************** Here is the system of 16 notes and triple eight notes I talked about in earlier posts. Again, with all of these things, If you ever teach this to anyone would you please credit me for coming up with these systems of thinking about rhythm. THE BASIC ONE BEAT SYNCOPATIONS c 1978 Rick Walker (Audible groupings surrounded by Quotation Marks) BASIC 16th NOTE SYNCOS: (with the basic one beat ride rhythms to the right in quotations) "ONES" A) X * * * "Quarter Notes" 1 (e + a ) B) * X * * (1) e (+ a ) C) * * X * "Offbeat 8th Notes" (1 e) + (a) D) * * * X (1 e +) a "TWOS TOGETHER" E) X X * * "Downbeat 16ths" 1 e (+ a ) F) * X X * (1) e + (a) G) * * X X "Upbeat or Offbeat 16ths" (1 e) + a "TWOS APART" H) X * X * "8th Notes or 'straight' 8th Notes" 1 (e) + (a) I) X * * X 1(e) + (a) J) * X * X (1) e (+) a "THREES TOGETHER" K) X X X * "ride popular in Reggae/Caribbean rhythms without a name" 1 e + (a) L) * X X X (1) e + a "THREES APART" M) X * X X "Galloping Horse Ride" 1 (e) + a N) X X * X 1 e (+) a "FOUR" O) X X X X "Sixteenth Notes" 1 e + a "NONE" P) * * * * (1 e + a) BASIC TRIPLET 8th NOTE SYNCOS: "ONES" Q) X * * "Quarter Note" 1 (+ a) R) * X * (1) + (a) S) * * X "The Shuffle Note" (1 +) a "TWOS TOGETHER" T) X X * "Downbeat Triplets" 1 + (a) U) * X X "Upbeat Triplets" (1) + a "TWO APART" V) X * X "Shuffles" 1 (+) a "THREE" W) X X X "Triplets" 1 + a "NONE" Q) * * * (1 + a) NOTE: A) and P) are the same written rhythms as Q) and X) (respectively quarter notes and quarter rests both) But A) and P) are counted as 16th notes whereas Q) and X) are counted as 8th note triplets. This is the reason for this redundancy in the system. ***************************************************************** Each one of these figures has a distinctive rhythm personality and affects the nervous system differently (more on that later) However, it is not enough to memorize these 24 different rhythmic figures for this salient reason: Let's take Syncopation N = X X * X as an example If you heard this rhythm combined with a quarter rest (Syncopation P) It would sound like a double hit and a single hit, where the double begins on the downbeat and the single occurs right before the next downbeat, like this: N P X X * X * * * * 1 e (+) a (2 e + a) If , however, you were to play syncopation N two times in a row, it produces an entirely different rhythmic pattern (or audible grouping) to your ears: N N X X * X X X * X 1 e (+) a 2 e (+) a Audibly, this pattern has a DOUBLE followed by a TRIPLE followed by a SINGLE note audible grouping. If you were to hear a string player play this particular rhythm, your brain doesn't come in and say "That's not a TRIPLE, That's a DOUBLE on the last beats of 1 and a SINGLE on the first beat of 2 Because the brain won't differentiate this means that in order to master all of these rhythmic possibilities, we need to play all of them in TWO BEAT combinations. I add two beats of rest (P followed by P) just so we can hear the figures clearly. So, you would practice this system this way to master all the possibilities (then it becomes modular for all rhythms using Quarter notes, 8th notes, 16th notes or triplet 8th notes) your exercises would begin like this: A A P P A B P P A C P P A D / / A E / / all the way to A P P P Then you would start on B A P P B B P P B C P P etc., etc. This will produce 24 pages of rhythms............ Does this make sense? The next time you take on any technique...............try playing that technique (interspersed with non-accented strokes on all rests) by utilizing this system. Do it every day, all the way through all 320 exercises and in a month , watch what happens to both your technique and to your drumming. It's pretty powerful ENJOY! Rick Walker to take this four week course but it's a new age and it's time we took advantage of all of this technology. Let me know if you are interested by emailing me offlist at rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 02:03:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18CE83BEB8; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200612310203.kBV233S6039891@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: scrambled Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:03:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accr3ONSNLS7baRaTCi3K9nOgCHCjwAolRIg In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes isn't it grand, try it on really short loops (as little as 1/4 or half note snippets) for radical percussive or sequence sound effects, I've only really explored fast scramble so far, particularly when moving from normal to half speed. Exciting stuff, a tip of the bowler to Steve Lawson for suggesting the idea to Bob. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: scrambled i just really started using the "scramble" feature of the Looperlative. And boy, it is just so cool....!!! I love it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 02:23:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1150E3BED2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20061230134238.76480.qmail@web27712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20061230134238.76480.qmail@web27712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap was: French Looping Vocalist Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:23:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: e04bd223-9875-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEteY1U6ClZ1 UkhJREJSFg9qAhYA AVAZUwdzfgZYeXh1 e0RgWG9ZWUZ/akYz GTwyFxNxNAJga2ca WEAWdgZTck0ffhsX PlJ9V24EaWICe3th EwV2NWw9NnAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu DzQlOg0OO2JNeQIY BjgHEWJOVGcUNUo/ NxMBVFsAe1daQkUW V15EG30RCUMMQSEr RSddWlYfFjIVfyBX CxkpOQMg X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Aw shucks! Thank ye!! I certainly loved that venue with all the brick arches (for trains i =20 remember?), like a giant wine cellar. I am going on tour with her again in a few weeks....Europe this time. On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Tony Douglas wrote: > I can testify that Zo=EB & Immi's show in Glasgow was > one of the highlights of the year, along with Barbara > Morgenstern & Robert Lippok (laptops and Ableton Live, > I think) and Tom Verlaine & Jimmy Rip (which included > much looping, including an excellent take on "Little > Johnny Jewel"). > > It was a very good year for finding new music in > variety of places, and something in me water makes me > suspect 2007 will be even better. Here's hoping anyway > ! > > Have a good New Year when it comes. > > > > =09 > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all =20 > new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 03:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2574B3BECC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <063301c72c88$c00efa90$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:07:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Here's the Y2K6 story in the Santa Cruz Sentinel: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/December/30/style/stories/12style.htm ************* Most revolutionary musical event in Santa Cruz: The Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival. In last week's column, I highlighted the problems that some local musicians face in competing with national touring acts for club space. That wasn't to say that there aren't any local musicians making waves. Rick Walker, founder of the Live Looping Festival, has helped make Santa Cruz the live looping capital of the world. Using modern technology, loopers are able to record and loop any instrument or sound they wish in real time, live on stage. Looping is a worldwide niche scene, and Walker manages to attract to Santa Cruz the best of the bunch each year. Walker on the looping scene: "Finding this looper's community is like finding an oasis. People are so interested in not only being creative, but in sharing creativity and encouraging it in the younger artists." ************** Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:13 AM Subject: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California > Hey, > Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival was declared the Most > Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts in the Santa Cruz Sentinels' > BEST picks for the year 2006. > > Yeah for us!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 03:56:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9703BED3; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459734E3.8000604@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:56:19 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: scrambled References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9dH8rB.A.J3H.kTzlFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > i just really started using the "scramble" feature of the Looperlative. > > And boy, it is just so cool....!!! I love it! I imagine most of us have bought enough gear to realize that you should always buy something based on its current capabilities--buying based on hopes of future improvements is almost always futile. The Looperlative is proving to be the exception. I bought one of the first batch, based on what it would do at the time, and I would have been happy if it never got any better. But Bob just keeps rolling out new capabilities, and I'm beginning to think that sometime around the release of v1.4 of the operating system, it will become sentient. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 04:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86BFD3BECD; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 04:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <068901c72c95$e677f940$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ROBERT FRIPP - Frippertronics Demo (1979) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:41:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0686_01C72C5B.390DA4B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 04:41:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0686_01C72C5B.390DA4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did someone send this to the group already? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3Dfrippertronics *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0686_01C72C5B.390DA4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0686_01C72C5B.390DA4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 06:42:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793183BEC5; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oTJ6M35swqMv89lMmM4YNYywpIUFLsGlNh10T3WPvNAVvaSQQoGtZEqBEBRgDYIk5DSNv7TzyrC5xbKdUkrq3+a6ABZGnvgHhUwv11v04t2vHArW1V12umDDeKNAJH3xbo2iS8ycs8MH7WA8OfWmRTVh0eV4IP8EaX7WcaBO8yE=; X-YMail-OSG: b1R.lDYVM1nxgH4c9AFzApkvqLOd3GSLl_.vhduFMGOgiI1whZKG0_j23EP_uInrLCstZFXsDRq9D4JLNIhs5G0SNhRn_APe9zO5bgIDJ4WH4xQvaWvGxse7zQSkAXhrTX1.AEH.qQiPa48- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: KP3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <880646.48607.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Judging by your description I think Korg did it's customers a service by creating something that's different not just a kp2 with some new features. Perhaps they'll continue to sell both? --- mech wrote: > VST's like NI's FastFX or Bram's (SmartElectronix) > SupaTrigga. I don't know SupaTrigga, but I've lost many a night to playing with NI's FastFX. NI seems to not really market it's Electronic Instrument collection, but for the money they're a really, really interesting set of effects and instruments. thanks for the review Mech! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 06:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B4053BECC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kTvkLDBQKXHnbmJJO2cfL37AfnesHdqYucm1hZTD4giviSmiPhZG0uFpahN6QIfZ+KxDFMHRTpkalnMVBVVaUVtjR1TDOYDmTesDDlEflCLXUTe3WRo7EWyg7qv6VtVLNHMmuf77cyNv6KK9yrscf6LMmSmNQax3LPaSp7xGtjU=; X-YMail-OSG: vyCvd7sVM1n5GITtkCjkXIJfrdU3s3V1.lv99ro8QXBff8YDTzAPygmynBya5CcuU3sv3yXVnGRXIKvqRy34q9aTNSBdjwd4wTyncO7L9snRvY.msXDj7A-- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:49:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: ROBERT FRIPP - Frippertronics Demo (1979) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <068901c72c95$e677f940$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <285482.52583.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-idB-.A.ufF.o11lFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Man, I love that era of Fripp... but what's really really mind blowing is that Rick James seems to have opened for him. I once saw a show on MTV that was called "Joan Jett and Friends." Not being a huge Jett fan, I started to leave the room... until I heard the opening for Elephant Talk. Yes, King Crimson was opening for Joan. It was a different time. Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Did someone send this to the group already? > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=frippertronics > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 06:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331193BED9; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u/1xjcJ+vLNQRJWOeZHhVBkEWiRY+VXefaqAViWKAR+cXmXSzkdpUL+OnEtucZfVRn/qHryQqHROw3kwUFgCkTRENEyM9rabSDCFyl3Sjrz4nnxozVUxGQ0MNoEYjrYBYoLoEAXBzukGXJSstG7+lcfAo4PwxNSxsOCGvKYJgkc=; X-YMail-OSG: VUiTbbcVM1kVnLkpX4gxpXX7XbGe.0QWT6Ol.JpGMUX1ekf8Qke_FnQ7fJqORWap7RblsxN7ZJjrupEuSlBFUzLugrdihR5SvMLgNRGHMPd31WtEAIUyL8LNHTbEWaKrHx3N64LeFmR5VA-- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Most Revolutionary Event Of the Year in Sanat Cruz, California To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022b01c72c1c$b70ae740$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807144.5684.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Good for you Rick! Hip hip horray! --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Hey, > > Today, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival > was declared the > Most Revolutionary Event in Santa Cruz in the Arts > in the > Santa Cruz Sentinels' BEST picks for the year > 2006. > > Yeah for us!!!!! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 07:03:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40373BED8; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G6k/8Nz6NnloURfBN2WjTWw6VvQPG//Cbx+o5nyQfvphbyGScuCt7oNueUgbpyH0YWvXfxmu/FSlS91R2ZO8YnlqARznmT4KNzA1EyYklcJnD7E+TItHdud5gtR4BVe7zfFq0CPKd6Xf2rW3S2QZz4EurnkPXzrNvrN9sS/ZxUM=; X-YMail-OSG: cAihCcsVM1no6yDHiI5P6RQm3BdZhJwP0WV9K0wh1rxje_7uYMGJR1BHl_F.veajuA-- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <286966.53284.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Damn, I'm sorry I missed the show with Zoe, but it was sold out by the time I found out about it. I did catch Imogen with Andrew when they were last in SF and they blew us away. My wife declared it to be the best live show she'd *EVER* been to. I'm not sure if I'd say "ever" but man if Imogen is in your neighborhood you should go to her show. Mark --- Zoe Keating wrote: > Aw shucks! Thank ye!! > I certainly loved that venue with all the brick > arches (for trains i > remember?), like a giant wine cellar. > > I am going on tour with her again in a few > weeks....Europe this time. > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Tony Douglas wrote: > > > I can testify that Zoë & Immi's show in Glasgow > was > > one of the highlights of the year, along with > Barbara > > Morgenstern & Robert Lippok (laptops and Ableton > Live, > > I think) and Tom Verlaine & Jimmy Rip (which > included > > much looping, including an excellent take on > "Little > > Johnny Jewel"). > > > > It was a very good year for finding new music in > > variety of places, and something in me water makes > me > > suspect 2007 will be even better. Here's hoping > anyway > > ! > > > > Have a good New Year when it comes. > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've > developed the all > > new Yahoo! Security Centre. > http://uk.security.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 07:25:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F4D3BEE4; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IEmb9qg9rNatwfxCfA1aSsDbtE8EvGiNvANSZXnXcDaUVKmTTwauK56TkJhM/sNx; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <286966.53284.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286966.53284.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-264193958 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:25:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790ebf367f3899a62883a31018d2159d06350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:25:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-264193958 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Man, I=92d love to see her; what=92s the live version of Hide and Seek =20= like? The studio version is about the most amazing bit of audio honey =20= I=92ve ever experienced... dc On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm not sure if I'd > say "ever" but man if Imogen is in your neighborhood > you should go to her show. --Apple-Mail-2-264193958 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Man, I=92d love to see her; = what=92s the live version of Hide and Seek like? The studio version is = about the most amazing bit of audio honey I=92ve ever = experienced...
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= --Apple-Mail-2-264193958-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 11:45:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4085D3BECD; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014601c72cd1$2aa03d40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: questions answered about the BASIC ONE BEAT SYNCOPATION explanation Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:45:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <92y15D.A.N7E.aL6lFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:45:31 +0000 (UTC) about the Basic One Beat Syncopation system: about this sentence that Rick wrote: > Audibly, this pattern has a DOUBLE followed by a TRIPLE followed by a > SINGLE note audible grouping. Claude Voit asked these question: "I can follow till here but you did omit some explanations about "DOUBLES" and TRIPLES" and "SINGLES" ????" Forgive me, but I actually haven't posted this discussion yet but will soon. Some of this that I"m going to post will be me gathering my thoughts. I decided that I'd test it all out on you guys in written form (to get this kind of excellent and intelligent feedback) before I ever codify it into a book. I have taught this system to roughly 2,500 people, including around 500 non drummers but I have never written it down. I'm using you guys as guinea pigs (as long as it doesn't bug anyone) and I really appreciate thorough questions about it. I know from much experience backing many different musicians from all over the earth and teaching drummers/percussionists/bass players and other musicians that it really works but the trick is to get it so that it makes very simple sense by just reading it. Claude also said: "without some more all the minimum 2 beat justification doesn't make sense because if I have a strong feel of the beat I have no problem separating N from N or whatever other combination......................why if I clearly know where the beat is ?" You are correct here, but frequently we encounter improvisational situations where someone is playing a very complex rhythm without conveniently adding the downbeats. Just to get the feel of why I have used two beat groupings rather than just the one beat rhythms try playing these two rhythms back to back AD and DA sound very different from one another even if you do have a quarter note to reference them. X * * * * * * X * * * * * * * * A D P P and * * * X X * * * * * * * * * * * D A P P They sound really different and I have found that beginning to intermediate musicians have a hard time distinguishing them unless they practice this system in the two beat syncopation mode. Also, the first example plays an 'ON' beat and ends, audibly on an 'OFF' beat which leaves it unresolved in terms of how our nervous systems feel different beats whereas the second begins on an 'OFF' beat and immediately resolves to an 'ON' beat. This is a an important and seminal discussion that I will also post in a chapter at some point. In a book, this chapter would precede the BASIC ONE BEAT SYNCOPATION chapter. I apologize that some of these postings are out of order but I'm just letting myself do this loosely and letting it fall together. Clause wrote: "PS: I'm asking those details because I was there in Zurich enjoying all the brilliant clapping you made us go thru and I suspect there is a little more to it :=)" Most definitely Claude and I"m really glad you asked these questions. In the long run this whole system has got to hold water if it's going to have universal applications and I really appreciate the scrutiny that you give it. It's a big help. There's a lot more to come but I"m also really hella busy getting ready for NAMM and some upcoming shows. I"m accompanying two Japanese shamisen masters in Japantown in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and also performing with my new project nO thiN -g at the Anno Domini Gallery............all this the week before NAMM so I'm going to be a busy beaver. Happy New Year, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 13:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C90C3BEDC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:31:28 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: scrambled In-reply-to: <24163203.1167537394929.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4597BBB0.9070306@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <24163203.1167537394929.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:29:32 +0000 (UTC) > Zoe Keating wrote: > >> i just really started using the "scramble" feature of the Looperlative. >> And boy, it is just so cool....!!! I love it! > Brian Good wrote: > ...But Bob just keeps rolling out new capabilities, and I'm beginning > to think that sometime around the release of v1.4 of the operating > system, it will become sentient. I've never heard of this scramble feature. Sounds neat-o! Zoe: I can't wait to hear what you do with it. Brian: Same to you except I just might have to pop by to help you play with it. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 14:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 949D13BEDA; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Examples of a generative rhythmic approach Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:08:36 +0000 (UTC) I'm quite into generative exercises, like the ones Rick just posted. "Generative" in the sense: you give a simple rule which generates many exercises. I was playing around with a slightly different approach: Take any 4/4 groove and loop it. Each of the four crotchets (quarter-notes) within the bar consists of four 16th notes. Within a crotchet you can accentuate four different 16ths. Now limit yourself to one 16th per crotchet and codify them with numbers: 1 -> 1st 16th within the crotchet 2 -> 2nd 16th within the crotchet 3 -> 3rd 16th within the crotchet 4 -> 4th 16th within the crotchet With four numbers you can generate 24 ( = 4*3*2) permutations, so this gives you 24 different ways to fill a 4/4 bar with four 16th notes: 1. 1234 2. 1243 3. 1324 4. 1342 5. 1423 6. 1432 7. 2134 <- pattern 4. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 8. 2143 <- pattern 6. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 9. 2314 <- pattern 5. shifted left 2 x 10. 2341 <- pattern 1. shifted left 11. 2413 <- pattern 3. shifted left 2 x 12. 2431 <- pattern 2. shifted left 13. 3124 <- pattern 2. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 14. 3142 <- pattern 5. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 15. 3214 <- pattern 6. shifted left 2 x 16. 3241 <- pattern 3. shifted left 17. 3412 <- pattern 1. shifted left 2 x 18. 3421 <- pattern 3. shifted left 19. 4123 <- pattern 1. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 20. 4132 <- pattern 3. shifted left 3 x (or right shift) 21. 4213 <- pattern 4. shifted left 2 x 22. 4231 <- pattern 5. shifted left 23. 4312 <- pattern 2. shifted left 2 x 24. 4321 <- pattern 6. shifted left The analysis shows that the first 6 permutations are sort of unique, while the 18 remaining ones are just left or right shifts of the first 6 permutations. I started playing them, however, I already got obsessed with the first permutation 1234. I think the fascination comes from the equal distance between 1, 2, 3, and 4, consisting of five 16ths each. This creates the illusion of a 5-rhythm which is discarded at the beginning of each bar. My poor jam buddies have to put up with me, because I tend to all of a sudden just play that pattern over whatever groove we're playing (and probably ending up "cruzado" most of the time, see Rick's post about this http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200612/msg00562.html or http://tinyurl.com/yzfkb3). If I get their permission I'll post some jam examples. This is a tiny example of it: http://tinyurl.com/tgnq6 Some more mp3 snippets up using that 1234 pattern on: http://nosuch. b iz/soundz/echoplexLoops.html (sorry for the gaps in the url: spam filters force me. Use this: http://tinyurl.com/yfv63c) It's the files named permute16th0*.mp3 Bernhard (logging off. Good luck to all for 2007, CU next year!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 16:41:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2443BEDB; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06e101c72cfa$7e3cabe0$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #9 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:41:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06DE_01C72CBF.D10945D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:41:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06DE_01C72CBF.D10945D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Below is the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html=20 Looper's Delight Panel Discussion http://www.box.net/public/static/cu95nvohg8.mp3 (featuring Kim Flint, = Rick Walker, Ted Killian, etc) I have several more MP3s ready for posting, from Sunday, as soon as the = performers approve them. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_06DE_01C72CBF.D10945D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
Below is the newest addition to = the Y2K6 MP3=20 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html=20
 
Looper's Delight Panel = Discussion
http://www.box.net/public/static/cu95nvohg8.mp3 (featuring Kim Flint, Rick Walker, Ted = Killian,=20 etc)
 
I have several more MP3s ready for = posting, from=20 Sunday, as soon as the performers approve them.
 
Kris
 

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info@kri= spenhartung.com=20 / 1.208.724.5603
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------=_NextPart_000_06DE_01C72CBF.D10945D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 16:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3C33BEDE; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071301c72cfc$a0299950$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <285482.52583.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ROBERT FRIPP - Frippertronics Demo (1979) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Did you see all the Crafty League videos too? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: ROBERT FRIPP - Frippertronics Demo (1979) > Man, I love that era of Fripp... but what's really > really mind blowing is that Rick James seems to have > opened for him. > > I once saw a show on MTV that was called "Joan Jett > and Friends." Not being a huge Jett fan, I started to > leave the room... until I heard the opening for > Elephant Talk. Yes, King Crimson was opening for > Joan. > > It was a different time. > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Did someone send this to the group already? >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=frippertronics >> >> > ************************************************************************** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / >> www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> Performance Calendar: >> > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 17:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5F5F3BED2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002901c72d01$fa3f0600$dff59643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <285482.52583.qm@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ROBERT FRIPP - Frippertronics Demo (1979) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:34:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:33:17 +0000 (UTC) During the Red era w/Wetton, I saw a show with Dr. John opening. It was clear the audience was there for Crimson and I felt a little bad for John, but he's a total pro and really put himself into it. Crimson was amazing, and Wetton is such a powerful bassist . . . I really loved him with Family. -m > I once saw a show on MTV that was called "Joan Jett and Friends." Not being a huge Jett fan, I started to leave the room... until I heard the opening for Elephant Talk. Yes, King Crimson was opening for Joan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 17:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41E4C3BEE6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4597F6E8.6030908@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:44:08 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap References: <286966.53284.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) I've been traveling and without net access for several weeks, am just catching up, but I think that tune is probably the only thing that could be on that "OC" show and retain its integrity. There are lots of live clips on Youtube, here's one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aeL_6jv_774 Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Man, I’d love to see her; what’s the live version of Hide and Seek > like? The studio version is about the most amazing bit of audio honey > I’ve ever experienced... > dc > > > On Dec 30, 2006, at 11:03 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> I'm not sure if I'd >> >> say "ever" but man if Imogen is in your neighborhood >> >> you should go to her show. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/601 - Release Date: 12/24/2006 11:31 AM > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 19:13:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022A73BED3; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: OT:Digitech RP300 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:11:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4597F6E8.6030908@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Before this goes on ebay, Digitech RP300. Used twice in gigs and once in practice. Protective plastic sheet is still on screen. Nothing wrong with it, I just don't like it and prefer multiple pedals. Make me an offer and you pay shipping (unless your offer is kick butt!) Let me know. Happy New Year to All!!! ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 19:19:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E403BEEE; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Happy 2007 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:17:31 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Happy new years, loopers. I wish you can get all that you want. ...and peace on earth. Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 20:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E7B3BEE8; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sfFcU9rU4+SA0wCEKCs60gJuA1I/qLMDyMYC/450vyaINbGAFHpoY1QtrwJEnpOg21lwQqvetKLDb/DnksEtxvXN9KpO1aXJcyTvMauvZB2sVYCTQ2TCVYFsTnAYdf9tdBZcVwiXx7Nvi+A3T+MT2VJ3OiuWCoQIYaKP/7c6InM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1516DF64-48D2-48A1-B55E-DD4F0D6BC612@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Happy 2007 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:20:12 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Since there are only two hours something left to 2007 here in Europe I'm sending out my Giant 2K7 Loop Hugs to all friends on this list. I too have thrilling 2K7 projects in the pipeline, but I won't bore you with details ;-)) This is gonna be a smashing year! A Happy New Year to everyone! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 21:30:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0753BEDD; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07bf01c72d22$dd4a98e0$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1516DF64-48D2-48A1-B55E-DD4F0D6BC612@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Happy 2007 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:30:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Oh, come one, Per! I'd like to hear the details of your '07 projects. I have three, potententially four CD projects underway: 1) Two-CD compililation of the Boise Experimental Music Festival (should be done in a few months) 2) "Mandolin from Mars" - experimental/avant-garde project of me on my new 6-string mandolin, and plenty of bizarre tone mangling, Mobius looping, etc 3) "Flatus Vocis" - an all vocal experimental looping CD of just my voice, laptop, etc 4) Just a a standard avant-garde looping CD of me on guitar....stuff I recorded already that I haven't released on disk yet. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Happy 2007 > Hi, > > Since there are only two hours something left to 2007 here in Europe I'm > sending out my Giant 2K7 Loop Hugs to all friends on this list. I too > have thrilling 2K7 projects in the pipeline, but I won't bore you with > details ;-)) This is gonna be a smashing year! A Happy New Year to > everyone! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 21:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7D143BEF3; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=E/jFE6rhhmoHrFUtn3l44YoYke5Y/oQjoTFcpqBukzn/wh8ZqXdn+9OsJcFlMHqA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4140623.1167601714182.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:48:33 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48f5d9ed5750c38f2ba04377f55dc565f8937de48b32926e61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) very cool panel discussion-kudos all around-wish i'd been dere to ask Kim why he dont play no guitar no mo'- or maybe he does and doesnt want /need to preform, but i'd like to hear an official 'splanation... s >Hello all, > >Below is the newest addition to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html > >Looper's Delight Panel Discussion >http://www.box.net/public/static/cu95nvohg8.mp3 (featuring Kim Flint, Rick Walker, Ted Killian, etc) > >I have several more MP3s ready for posting, from Sunday, as soon as the performers approve them. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 22:04:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 952083BEFC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07e601c72d27$b86db340$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:05:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Here is an alternative, more ambient version of the Christmas Song: http://www.box.net/public/static/m01rhzgsvf.mp3 I didn't post it before because it has some sound issues...something went wrong in the recording to wav process, and there is clicking, etc...wasn't heard in the headphones from the VST effects, just the resulting wav. K ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Happy Holidays!!! Looping Song for You Hello fellow Loopers, I'd like to wish you all a very special holiday season with your friends and family! Drink, eat, loop, and be merry...and thanks for putting up with my philosophical rantings on the list. Just a few minutes ago, I finished recording a Christmas looping song for you all - A basic jazz interpretation of Mel Torme's "The Christmas Song" or "Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire". I used Mobius (only one loop and the melody played over that), with some basic VST effects. I also re-harmonized the chord changes, just slightly, to darken it up a bit and give it that Hartung spice. :) http://www.krispenhartung.com/2006-Xmas-Loop-Song.htm Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 23:49:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88B6D3BED0; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <07e601c72d27$b86db340$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07e601c72d27$b86db340$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-323202269 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:49:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:49:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-323202269 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well... we've all been very busy with the holidays but I finally got a=20= reply from my friend who was a big hoo hah for one of the biggest=20 chemical companies on earth. In this he will claim he's not a=20 scientist but he is. Interestingly, I've heard this argument about=20 electronics and why some older electronics just sound different even=20 when modern companies reverse engineer the circuitry and totally=20 reproduce it - better metals, more to pick from in days past. =20 Anyhow.... I do have an unscientific opinion.=A0 I do not believe the sound of = metal=20 instruments is because of aging but more because of the type of metal=A0=20= (brass) that was used and how it was formed. =A0 Many of us old geeks tend to believe the earlier brass has better sound=20= characteristics that we like. The more hands on =A0technique for making=20= gave each instrument a character. The newer instruments are=20 reproducible. much more precise and consistent. The vintage instruments=20= have heart. If I were to play jazz I would want vintage, for concert, I=20= would go with a new instrument. It is true that the set up of a sax is key, ,,,springs, pads,=20 resonators are a significant sound factor as is reed and mouthpiece. I=20= have over 30 different mouth pieces and they all give a little or=20 significantly different sound on the same instrument. I think this is an argument, like politics and religion, which one can=20= not win. Maybe a real scientist can add some scientific data, but I=20 will still take my old Super 20 or Mark VI over any of the pretty new=20 axes that are on the market. Happy New Year richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-1-323202269 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well... we've all been very busy with the holidays but I finally got a reply from my friend who was a big hoo hah for one of the biggest chemical companies on earth. In this he will claim he's not a scientist but he is. Interestingly, I've heard this argument about electronics and why some older electronics just sound different even when modern companies reverse engineer the circuitry and totally reproduce it - better metals, more to pick from in days past.=20 Anyhow.... Times New = Roman0000,0000,FFFFI do have an unscientific opinion.=A0 I do not believe the sound of metal instruments is because of aging but more because of the type of metal=A0 (brass) that was used and how it was = formed. 0000,0000,FFFF=A0 0000,0000,FFFFMany of us old geeks tend to believe the earlier brass has better sound characteristics that we like. The more hands on =A0technique for making gave each instrument a character. The newer instruments are reproducible. much more precise and consistent. The vintage instruments have heart. If I were to play jazz I would want vintage, for concert, I would go with a new instrument. 0000,0000,FFFFIt is true that the set up of a sax is key, ,,,springs, pads, resonators are a significant sound factor as is reed and mouthpiece. I have over 30 different mouth pieces and they all give a little or significantly different sound on the same instrument. 0000,0000,FFFFI think this is an argument, like politics and religion, which one can not win. Maybe a real scientist can add some scientific data, but I will still take my old Super 20 or Mark VI over any of the pretty new axes that are on the market.=20 Happy New Year Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-1-323202269--