From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 00:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4388B3BEDE; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <009601c6fd4b$06ec93e0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 01:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3sPqUD.A.1oF.8d-RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) God I wish my SIMMONS SPM 8:2... was less noisy and generally better quality.. It should rock!! 8 channels, each channel has, gain, pan, bass ,sweepable mid, treble 2 FX sends AND an LFO that can be set to pan or sweep the mid. Everything can be saved, and heres the good bit... you can have a X-fade time between patches... so when you hit a new "scene" it can fade/morph to the new settings... quite incredible for an old piece of s*** from the 80's, originally designed to mix a Simmons elecronic kit!!! Now used in my gear as the mixer for my modular stuff... just too hissy for anything else... shame... however my main Behringer mixer is also a pile... and I have a crackly 20 ch Tascam mixer thats looking sad too... *sigh*... should sell the lot really... but who would buy... *cry* ... whats that guy called who creates feedback thru mixers... he must need spares??? m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2776 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 02:53:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20EB03BECF; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:53:26 +0000 (UTC) In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. dm www.fixedfocus.org ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Previously: > Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without > comment. ...or replacement. I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for nostalgia than anything... There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a time... Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. What do you think Bill?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 03:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1AE73BEE4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 03:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L/VWCAv01Bo5RuN45o5wt54UYPm4OJg1tNgN+Vx9Tkv7MzMDha5MA6xet9V7uswlxMixFIfE31RDrT1yxHb59c9l1ZLeVRD/L2xopByRl4yWDmO0NGvMfIOrEc3a/EYSnJ78Y1A3x/ybrhdgzzBxe/TGdtO6949wwrC79LRVFTo= Message-ID: <913728d60610311942w41fa45fyb2d1657b534638f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:42:29 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 03:42:30 +0000 (UTC) i've been meaning to--I just keep getting unexpected bills! I hope to get one around new years time though :) Charlie On 10/31/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from > the web site and users manual? > http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:23:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA733BEE2; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061031231422.01aa4d58@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:23:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Way OT, midi guitar pickups In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I know that some of you use midi guitar. I've been playing with a magnetic (the yamaha g1d with the g50 converter) and am having a blast with all the sounds that are available. I have a chance to get an rmc midi pickup and install it directly into my taylor and wondered if anyone has experience with both the mag style and the piezo style midi pickups and if one is better (as in the tracking) than the other? The other option I'm considering is to pickup a used electric and do a more permanent type of midi installation in it with the yamaha pickup that I have. Thanks, Been enjoying those festival mp3's!!! Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:23:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9043A3BEF6; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TkppLxURefCCfa6ik/AdBw3tEnri7DHk6SJ52RWIxAv0xNYFQwh6QRiOe3bChlNDBpOgGVjXgFsOSQhhc5+z9gLySaGyGydn93hVyZkmWxUAVAhzIr1WqBEDRzU84PutetIlKW1GVv+EjQnfA22W/6wVszwemRO8W6RR7Oyd600= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:23:23 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) On 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you > think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a > stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and > would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your > thoughts. I'm not Mech, but I have an LP1. I also have two EDPs and a Repeater. Lately, the only thing I've been using is the LP1. Once you get a midi controller set up (it's easy to program - the hard part is deciding exactly what you want to do) and get used to thinking in terms of separate tracks instead of just one, it's hard to beat! The one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't is the storage capability, but the latest LP1 software lets you access things from a computer. Not quite as immediate as the memory card in the Repeater, but it sure beats what you can do with the EDP... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10143BEFB; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I5NaH7Qn8p3K6ZCt8PKR+Bx+RO1O+L0ZenSpfuyQTdxysPGVcdPCLJ5wJ3xao8A/DOC7weEjS3FAIc/UCZnZTGz6Ool82GasdzWzMToSMGuNLQg8XnGkI53GA81E3bs4M9nfzPlbynUhxXvh37Qug1TIbtqmiuoGLTL/7EdT0Sg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:34:56 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On 10/31/06, dm wrote: > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. :) Around the time I took my current job, I had a chance to work for a local music store. (I'm sure I'd bring home way less cash if I had taken that job!) > Part of my job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass > was on of my favorites. Yeah, mine too - once I got the right strings dialed in, and when I finally gave up on using the E string by itself (that hollowed out body for the computer just ruined the tone) it was a real hoot to play! I especially loved trading off with the drummer - I did the usual slap on the E and A strings assigned to a kick and pop on the D and G assigned to a snare. Hmmm, now that I think of it, some of my midi modules didn't work with it, and I actually had to write a midi filter program that captured the pitch bend message and then rewrote the note on message with the "real" note... > Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. Yeah, I had to peel off the fretboard ;) and resolder a couple of those resistors... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1725B3BEE4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Message-Id: <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:44:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.89.85 X-External-IP: 66.248.89.85 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:44:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, Been reading this thread with great interest. I too am considering diving into Max/MSP, but am waiting for some extended free time to explore the demo. If you have the time, please post your comments/ thoughts on your Max/MSP experimenting as things develop. Thanks! Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 30 okt 2006, at 13.53, a k butler wrote: >> Very good indeed in Bidule. >> If you have a tap time looper with midi sync out it's no problem >> to sync to it. >> You could even have a number of different loopers, running at >> different tempi, each with synced fx >> >> Bidule hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you >> hook them up any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do >> that while the audio is actually running. >> pc & mac ( AU supported on mac) >> >> not expensive >> >> It has simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too. >> >> ........BUT >> It doesn't have the "support base" here that MAX has :-) > > > I see your point, Andy. But Bidule is so damn easy and fast that it > doesn't need any "support base" to let you create things. I have > been tinkering half day with Bidule and already made a nice VST > host and effect tweaking environment for looping in Mobius. Nice > SIR reverb on both live input and Mobius loop output as well as > different parallel, or daisy-chained, VST effects that are called > up from a MIDI foot pedal. Bidules "Audio Matrix" makes it possible > to route effects and assign MIDI bindings. Not Program Change > though, so I'm setting up this pilot system with cc and using an > expression pedal to sweep though all my custom made multi effect > clusters. > > Since tweaking Bidule is so fast I may have time to make a pilot > rig in MAX as well, so I can evaluate MAX in 30 days before the > demo times out. Both app's are working fine under OS X and XP. I > guess MSP has plain pitch shifting modules? Regarding Bidule under > XP I still miss the nice pitch-shifters that comes for free on a > Mac, but maybe someone can hint me at a plain pitch-shifting VST > plug-in for XP? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,

Been reading this thread = with great interest.=A0 I too am considering diving into Max/MSP, but am = waiting for some extended free time to explore the demo.=A0 If you have = the time, please post your comments/thoughts on your Max/MSP = experimenting as things develop.=A0 Thanks!

Matt

---

King Never

http://www.kingnever.com

=

On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

On 30 okt 2006, at 13.53, a k = butler wrote:
Very = good indeed in Bidule.
If you have a tap time = looper with midi sync out it's no problem to sync to it.
You could even have a number of different loopers, = running at different tempi, each with synced fx

Bidule = hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you hook them up = any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do that while the = audio is actually running.
pc & mac = ( AU supported on mac)
not expensive

It has = simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too.

It doesn't have the "support = base" here that MAX has :-)


I see your point, Andy. But = Bidule is so damn easy and fast that it doesn't need any "support base" = to let you create things. I have been tinkering half day with Bidule and = already made a nice VST host and effect tweaking environment for looping = in Mobius. Nice SIR reverb on both live input and Mobius loop output as = well as different parallel, or daisy-chained, VST effects that are = called up from a MIDI foot pedal. Bidules "Audio Matrix" makes it = possible to route effects and assign MIDI bindings.=A0 Not Program Change though, so = I'm setting up this pilot system with cc and using an expression pedal = to sweep though all my custom made multi effect clusters.

Since = tweaking Bidule is so fast I may have time to make a pilot rig in MAX as = well, so I can evaluate MAX in 30 days before the demo times out. Both = app's are working fine under OS X and XP. I guess MSP has plain pitch = shifting modules? Regarding Bidule under XP I still miss the nice = pitch-shifters that comes for free on a Mac, but maybe someone can hint = me at a plain pitch-shifting VST plug-in for XP?


Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)





= --Apple-Mail-2--634502131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 07:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E52843BED0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c6fd86$695aa130$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061031231422.01aa4d58@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Way OT, midi guitar pickups Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Your Yamaha G50 uses technology licensed from Axon, and so has the fastest of any pitch to MIDI tracking, so long as you play fairly cleanly with a pick. The Axon converters: AX100 and the Terratec badged MkII version, have a piezo setting to get the best performasnce from those pickups such as RMC. The G50 does NOT have this piezo setting, and so although you would get fast tracking with the RMC installation, your note accuracy and glitch rejection would actualy get worse. The G50 also has trouble recognising the pick position from piezo pickups. Add this to the fact that, unlike Rolands, Axon technology tracks magnetic pickups VERY NEARLY as well as it tracks piezos. I would suggest you look at chopping in the G50 for a Terratec Axon AX100 MkII before going for a Piezo installation. Nik - ex-Roland user - ex G50 user - current Axon and Godin user. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:23 AM Subject: Way OT, midi guitar pickups > Hi, > > I know that some of you use midi guitar. I've been playing with a magnetic > (the yamaha g1d with the g50 converter) and am having a blast with all the > sounds that are available. I have a chance to get an rmc midi pickup and > install it directly into my taylor and wondered if anyone has experience > with both the mag style and the piezo style midi pickups and if one is > better (as in the tracking) than the other? The other option I'm > considering is to pickup a used electric and do a more permanent type of > midi installation in it with the yamaha pickup that I have. > > Thanks, Been enjoying those festival mp3's!!! > > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C9C3BEB5; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOz4R0XUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACMSAEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:40:16 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:39:33 +0000 (UTC) At 23:52 31/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from >the web site and users manual? >http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html > >Greetings from Sweden wasn't that the "Spinal Tap Looper" that was mentioned a while back? andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D18C3BED9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=mrhsPu1ClAeqqOquH+wPaxKzw1bHo2L+/97qxTTgiSPnFiHKoH77gErwALJ/NTsrAwwGQNXw4c5h7YaJ6NOXarLpl8HVrxg/SJQeTVZYP4F9SfvuY+gSC96ePs5zbb+PClcv1KaBUO1O02bxtc9vAHC+He2t5FQzWTwOiaXQWWc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:46 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5a0867da7afcbf40 Resent-Message-ID: <7r6bHC.A.9cG.E1GSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of Augustus Loop. From the manual: "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. "This is a problem if you are using multiple instances of Augustus Loop in a Live song, with one AL set to generate MIDI clock, Live synced to that clock, and the other ALs set to 'Host Tempo' mode. When you use Tap Record to record your loop in the master AL, the other ALs will be given a slightly wrong tempo by Live and the loops will be out of sync. "Turning on 'rounded tempo' in AL solves this problem by only ever generating MIDI clock at rounded values. The downside is that the loop length will not be quite what you wanted, but it may be good enough, depending largely on your musical style and whether you record the first loop 'silent' simply to set the tempo. "With this mode turned on, when you use Tap Record the loop end will be slightly later than when you tap to close the loop. E.g. if you record a loop that would have a tempo of 122.3bpm, AL actually keeps recording until the loop length matches a tempo of 122bpm." cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:28:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F6E3BECC; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dUyqrCWW0jvkqW1tBNrpJxw+MuyPb6qEMaH2tDz8atLSuvBX0t3geJmbT0x4A4NFmILvL3/Nm2ECp4zmC4NuHvF0e+KeCotwz4YF+lHWdwN5PIsaUriBWC+1QtCYt572Lgap7DSH8uj5coxveCORCpnKldgAXUEpvHs8O0YAp4A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:28:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:28:41 +0000 (UTC) > At 23:52 31/10/2006, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from >> the web site and users manual? >> http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html >> >> Greetings from Sweden On 1 nov 2006, at 10.40, a k butler wrote: > wasn't that the "Spinal Tap Looper" that was mentioned a while back? > > andybutler Oh, was it? I must have missed that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen "Digital is like glass - analog is like... mud?" (Spinal Tap's bass player when I met them at a press conference here in Stockholm) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:46:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99A8F3BED0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ml9qvNxYtzEH2eKfGu8VjWp0Wse/a58g2mvJAU4tov4kdkIXTnh5e6IvPzknSqEwPF8MUDuVUVB4LQ/cVSTpQMH9xPAbcWGf8lIbKQRdGzjhus5DXjUa2DTxtbvGC1xy73vrIPIcvcJ+fB4DlIdfPON5XP2pwfH2A43xJYhkjEo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C9EDC49-A4B3-4068-A343-9405840764D8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:45:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:46:02 +0000 (UTC) On 1 nov 2006, at 10.47, Os wrote: > Hi, > > this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of > Augustus Loop. From the manual: > > "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in > that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when > externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks > at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the > tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. That's great - for those who don't have an issue with Live's other shortcomings. Over here I have decided not to upgrade to version 6 because the new "rack" function (1) does not support external MIDI pre-set recall and because (2) rack presets do not remember any MIDI cc bindings. I had high hopes for the rack as a way to swap between different setups of multi effect presets during performance (the best way to save up CPU cycles and still the reason I use an external multi effect processor pre looper) but unfortunately this was not considered important from a marketing perspective. I have been using a NFS review version of Live 6 extensively and have hands-on experience with these shortcomings. Oh well... have to turn to Bidule for comfort and to Max for inspiration ;-)) I'm really looking forward to start looping with Augustus Loop as soon as Numerology 2 is released (any week now I think). Numerology is a modern Mac application that takes full advance of OS X (AU, Core MIDI, Core Audio) which in my opinion makes it a better host. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 16:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5F33BECF; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:17:24 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and Bidule) and now that i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a little bit confused about the differences between them as VST hosts. For what i've read on this list, Max appears complicated and requiring an amount of time i miss by now. So i'm asking if these software have the same features ? Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius and to control Vst fx (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a midi foot controller ? Thanks fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 19:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CCF73BEDA; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=o+nPbpviAIli1jMWo09u1fDTbH5i/4IK3EM08l9XBj43Jh5C9OaIDBy2OSBkFVM7jXBI5YlptVtd4EOM/lKsm7vmGP7/etF0fBvF8lc3UvrKGRfBT7UShzu5SE1xmawOgSSne0JrJUDqPyDTbzLVnRidOGRToPGRhND1tDj8LDg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D6D7363-9C1E-407B-BB0C-B6B791BC9B7E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:53:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) On 1 nov 2006, at 05.44, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Per, > > Been reading this thread with great interest. I too am considering > diving into Max/MSP, but am waiting for some extended free time to > explore the demo. If you have the time, please post your comments/ > thoughts on your Max/MSP experimenting as things develop. Thanks! > > Matt Hi Matt, At the moment I'm concentrating on Bidule. For a n00b that is a faster and easier way to set up a host applications for software looping (Mobius) with software instruments and effects. I don't doubt that Max can do everything Bidule does and even more, but right now I don't need that extra Max power. However, I have been reading the Max and Msp manuals as well as tinkering around with some tutorials and I'm pretty sure I will buy Max for the direct purpose of creating my own playable multi effect plug-ins, as a longtime strategy to replace my tc electronics fireworX rack device with a laptop only solution. But I can't say right now if I will be running these plug-ins in Max, Bidule or Numerology (mac). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 21:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF4E3BED3; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q+RzTlNG5U+zmHC5bKVilMISQTXVUzKNKbbDNMLwNH51GeRUKE8iPAZP7fZh1Md7K828fAjccS12EvNk+fjQHptxGRO/TfFmu+1Q4+XbT3jYevP2k2UUxDNLnoUuNr+cN0YZ046xe3ZYv1NOH6e5hcaPgt6kumm6mCiiiuDIMB8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:39:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: "fabio anile" Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:39:20 +0000 (UTC) I'll give you my (initial) observations. I can't say I've spent adequate time with all these, but I've used EnergyXT and Max a bit, and I've spent a little time with Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. EnergyXT is the most straightforward and easy to use. It doesn't offer any low level modules for mathematical operations. You can't introduce random midi values (without some sort of VST) for example. It's a great environment for hooking up VSTs modularly, and it's got a good built in sequencer. It's audio engine is not as well coded as the others (though this isn't an issue if you don't use the stand alone version, and run it as a VST). It doesn't offer right and left audio cables like Bidule, and lately I've had some small timing issues using it as a master to sync Stylus RMX. Bidule offers better audio performance, more flexible routing, low level math processing (including randomness), more flexible sync options, but no sequencer. Audiomulch is great for processing audio, but there are no midi "cables" limiting midi processing capabilities. Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with Mobius. On 11/1/06, fabio anile wrote: > There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and Bidule) and now that > i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a little bit confused > about the differences between them as VST hosts. > For what i've read on this list, Max appears complicated and requiring an > amount of time i miss by now. > > So i'm asking if these software have the same features ? > Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius and to control Vst fx > (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a midi foot controller ? > Thanks > > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314783BED3; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:13:12 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > > Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface > IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just > something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy > improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the > computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or > other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with > Mobius. > I am using Usine since beginning of this year and found no problems at all loading Mobius as a Vst. Olivier has done a great work to make these two sw working together. Luca www.unguitar.com www.myspace.com/lucaformentini From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9EE3BEE0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N40rIplRMpxWvdP7Xki6n8ouuymobtKDNe1rJe6V1qqcUfdnXj8ohOy8kBagFTcea7zpLhgImfvMOFcq+aZ+T71pUYIBKYovL0ExSsyx+dWBgC6GDTQ4qpwDxzooMGCO9JUPVkCeWpyfdkgWP5AFIkXDZ79/t15xxMf/glVbP/U= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:13:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to sync the last time I tried. On 11/1/06, Luca Formentini wrote: > > > Art Simon wrote: > > > > > Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface > > IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just > > something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy > > improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the > > computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or > > other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with > > Mobius. > > > I am using Usine since beginning of this year and found no problems at > all loading Mobius as a Vst. > Olivier has done a great work to make these two sw working together. > Luca > > www.unguitar.com > www.myspace.com/lucaformentini > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0150E3BEF0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch thread-index: Acb+AvA6q+13ZUllRxa5Et3mgsXRZwAAQvAg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com]=20 > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to > sync the last time I tried. The 1.30c version of Mobius should sync with Usine. I've been in contact with the Usine developer, I'm not sure if he made any changes for the sync issues, but if there was a new release of Usine in the past month that might fix it too. It is probably best to get the latest versions of both. The last time I checked though there was still an issue with Usine rouding off the length of a "bar" after it had told me the bar had ended. This could result in the Usine bars being slightly longer than the Mobius cycle length, which will cause gradual sync drift. The drift will be corrected, but this correction will happen more often than usual. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:33:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBEA43BEE7; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:33:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+Bc3wDGSSWGn5EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Btj6D.A.ObF.TDSSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. Greg > On 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you >> think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a >> stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and >> would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your >> thoughts. > > I'm not Mech, but I have an LP1. I also have two EDPs and a Repeater. > Lately, the only thing I've been using is the LP1. Once you get a > midi controller set up (it's easy to program - the hard part is > deciding exactly what you want to do) and get used to thinking in > terms of separate tracks instead of just one, it's hard to beat! The > one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't is the storage > capability, but the latest LP1 software lets you access things from a > computer. Not quite as immediate as the memory card in the Repeater, > but it sure beats what you can do with the EDP... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6863BEFC; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKevSEXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMSwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101223244.01bf2d60@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:38:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.co m> References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) At 21:39 01/11/2006, you wrote: >Bidule offers better audio performance, more flexible routing, low >level math processing (including randomness), more flexible sync >options, but no sequencer. Bidule has a simple step sequencer (doesn't sync though) ...and a MIDI file player ...and a MIDI file recorder ...and some sort of MIDI looper, or at least that's what it's called. Bidule can be run as a Rewire slave with a sequencing program, but I don't know how that works out. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10D13BF06; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:38:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+BnoyuQL872n5EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the suggestion. Greg > > > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my > job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my > favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 > which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past > snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that > setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. > (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) > > The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is > the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I > suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. > Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< > reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Previously: >> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >> comment. ...or replacement. > > I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, > with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. > Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for > nostalgia than anything... > > There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you > could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a > time... > > Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. > What do you think Bill?) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8B03BED9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KpMBXvvTtniFLhjMvVhZHcB0Avnwe0IMqvqhG89hDEt5dXYsRYIRLN8ddLaNvUvCm776YayqE6AUs/NjcRlkf5pM/5SIypYw9V0iIgmm/5/1IqyQDMyDfYwiQBwiJhhEy1xCXo+AjzZG25LO8SHQaeq0bbAJC/ob0Xj6OTCL8mk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:11:38 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at > all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. > I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, > but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. I haven't tried any software loopers, unless you consider Live a looper... I use some pretty big sample libraries on my laptop (I have a 300 GB external disk and it's almost full...), so I use hardware boxes for looping and effects. Part of it is the user interface too - I like stepping on buttons and turning knobs more than I like clicking and dragging... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF373BED5; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:20:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+DFlsmFKqymn/EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_E9KiD.A.vsH.PvSSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. Greg > On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at >> all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. >> I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, >> but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. > > I haven't tried any software loopers, unless you consider Live a > looper... I use some pretty big sample libraries on my laptop (I have > a 300 GB external disk and it's almost full...), so I use hardware > boxes for looping and effects. Part of it is the user interface too - > I like stepping on buttons and turning knobs more than I like clicking > and dragging... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA6F3BEF4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Glad it helped. I've considered going to one of these myself, so if you take the plunge, send us a review. dm www.fixedfocus.org ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the suggestion. Greg > > > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my > job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my > favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 > which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past > snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that > setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. > (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) > > The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is > the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I > suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. > Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< > reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Previously: >> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >> comment. ...or replacement. > > I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, > with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. > Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for > nostalgia than anything... > > There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you > could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a > time... > > Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. > What do you think Bill?) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B0A3BEF9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:26:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+DSEZX+v5emoAEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Sure, I'll keep you posted Greg > > Glad it helped. I've considered going to one of these myself, so if you > take the plunge, send us a review. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After > looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think > that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will > interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out > some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the > suggestion. > > Greg > > > > >> >> >> In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my >> job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my >> favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 >> which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past >> snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that >> setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. >> (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) >> >> The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 > is >> the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I >> suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by > technology. >> Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< >> reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. >> >> >> dm >> >> www.fixedfocus.org >> ==================== >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall >> >> >> Previously: >>> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >>> comment. ...or replacement. >> >> I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, >> with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. >> Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for >> nostalgia than anything... >> >> There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you >> could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a >> time... >> >> Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. >> What do you think Bill?) >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:45:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F183BEE7; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kFLqen+xP9tCHKNGBIIpnR91EJc50ybSI/DhjZCxta2G5sUWAabQehWT6wbsC4bLGMEr9apRkDPJZoQSpBImrjIIPC8kz0q6TqNpiQEiLWi9MMHvUO7fH3+ft8PuZT7Ym7NivQ2Wn8+GZfH1sXwlbcA21OlUcUC6yzDxPAvKkBU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:45:54 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:45:56 +0000 (UTC) On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you > mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a > pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use > MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering > about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. I can't speak to latency (yet), but my laptop seems to be pretty stable. (I have a MacBook with 2 GB RAM, running OS X and Windows XP via Parallels.) At some point, I'll probably try to write some computer scripts to control the Looperlative and then trigger them with my PMC-10 attached to the Macbook... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:12:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495603BEB8; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:12:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+E6MM4fMA3GoGEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Nice setup. I'm still using an old G4 Powerbook so I'm not sure it'll be up to running Live and a looper as well. I'd be interested to hear how you get on with the LP1/laptop combo Greg > On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you >> mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a >> pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use >> MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering >> about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. > > I can't speak to latency (yet), but my laptop seems to be pretty > stable. (I have a MacBook with 2 GB RAM, running OS X and Windows XP > via Parallels.) At some point, I'll probably try to write some > computer scripts to control the Looperlative and then trigger them > with my PMC-10 attached to the Macbook... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B133BEDC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qcRLau3kixeqKUjXlO1kMq1Mqas4m1BcZPz+ji54/FQmLz4RR/1s7W3kPoawqoWYf0TvkhJbo+J54tpXTUMq6mIDtkFvpBvd2ZN+TPzNVtD1gpqX7RWOt0XTnaqAT8E6MFk6G6OO2+S504s1T451+uv8V72X+p6EiCjvdtvqie0= ; Message-ID: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Just to let you know, all those (I don't know about Max) won't let you sync to an outside source clock. This was a big issue for me during my quest, which brought me to Ableton Live. Rumor says the new version has lots of cool routing features. --- fabio anile wrote: > There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and > Bidule) and now that > i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a > little bit confused > about the differences between them as VST hosts. > For what i've read on this list, Max appears > complicated and requiring an > amount of time i miss by now. > > So i'm asking if these software have the same > features ? > Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius > and to control Vst fx > (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a > midi foot controller ? > Thanks > > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A213BECF; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:46:45 +0000 Subject: Tempo control From: Greg Mills To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Tempo control Thread-Index: Acb+GF7QnX3CHGoLEduAHAAKlaVu8g== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245273206_19045984" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:46:53 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245273206_19045984 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=B9ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able to find a solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented programmer types here so = I thought I=B9d ask the question again. I play with an improvisational group using laptops, guitars and keyboards and we are all starting to use computers for one reason or another. Computers are great, but there=B9s one thing that I think limits things, at least in our group. I don=B9t like the way we all have to be MIDI sync=B9ed together. I=B9d rather we could all use loops or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebase. When synce= d together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he can dictate th= e tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop my host sequencer, I can=B9t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here=B9s what I=B9d like to be able to do. I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle Express with some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/MAX/Pure Data/etc). I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it will alter the tempo and the shuttle control so that when actuated, it will increase/decrease the tempo by a preset amount (say 5bpm) then return the tempo to its original value when released. I could use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop, etc. Then I could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would with decks. Any ideas? Greg --B_3245273206_19045984 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Tempo control IR= 17;ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able to find a= solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented programmer types here so = I thought I’d ask the question again. I play with an improvisational g= roup using laptops, guitars and keyboards and we are all starting to use com= puters for one reason or another. Computers are great, but there’s one= thing that I think limits things, at least in our group. I don’t like= the way we all have to be MIDI sync’ed together. I’d rather we = could all use loops or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebas= e. When synced together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he = can dictate the tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop my host s= equencer, I can’t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here’s what I= ’d like to be able to do.

I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle Express w= ith some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/MAX/Pure Data/etc).= I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it will alter the tempo and th= e shuttle control so that when actuated, it will increase/decrease the tempo= by a preset amount (say 5bpm) then return the tempo to its original value w= hen released. I could use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop,= etc. Then I could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would wi= th decks.

Any ideas?

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 01:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E043BED3; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XdK08Zy46QrfBLELbCPjD4+bLpjCtoMB+e/AQk5DQ+CvZlnbbk/Ngvpn2mX7Aw1ubnGYW4PIJwC6SWpgfbPk9bv4yshjivxrH2+4p9j3UEgKpzAxJcawvAL9VeVGVYCmZ3+Vyxw367UQ87o3FpJOOWsGdDaDzZHA7EpM4z1PUHc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A1AC28C-438F-4690-9B13-8DA2AF0575AD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 02:20:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:20:36 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 01.27, mark sottilaro wrote: > Just to let you know, all those (I don't know about > Max) won't let you sync to an outside source clock. > This was a big issue for me during my quest, which > brought me to Ableton Live. Rumor says the new > version has lots of cool routing features. Bidule should be able to sync to an outside source clock (although I'm using Mobius first loop as the sync master for Bidule). It has a "MIDI Bidule" object named "MIDI Clock To Sync". Create a MIDI Input object referring to the laptop's physical MIDI Interface Input and cable from there to the "MIDI Clock To Sync" object. Here's the manual's explanation of that object: > It purpose is to transform a MIDI Timing Clock (Clock,Song > Position,Start,Stop and Continue) into Bidule internal sync info. > MIDI Clock synchronisation is an old legacy standard thats hard to > emulate right in the slave software. The results are a combination > of MANY factors including your bidule audio buffer latency, (lower > the better), MIDI driver jitter and time stamp precision, and also > the following settings: > > Forcing the tempo value to be fixed: the sync info will use the > fixed tempo and still use the incoming MIDI Clock for start/stop > and position. > > Specify the time signature you would like to use on bidule's side > (time sig is NOT transmitted over MIDI clock) This information cant > be changed while the Clock is active on the other end. > > Finally, you can tell the algorithm to hard resynch itself at each > 1,2,4 or 8 mesures of the user supplied time signature. or never, > and let drift. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 01:38:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30A43BEE1; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=a1udrGuu6QKdhjMgnPzFHR3+VOChng4DRTKXgv8Js9fZzCX7kz5hvX2Ah8IfhP6b9/rf8g/VsOuMtDGLKWOuN/CXmLjigdse4kJ7l+1Y85BDdX155tv9MJ+94/UhHTmIo2ORJ5dZI/INYbaWR8hk8kwNs/54wr5XsYC47TfOKy4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DDFE132-94D8-4012-B71B-ACE5650693DB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tempo control Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 02:38:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 01.46, Greg Mills wrote: > I=92ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able =20= > to find a solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented =20 > programmer types here so I thought I=92d ask the question again. I =20 > play with an improvisational group using laptops, guitars and =20 > keyboards and we are all starting to use computers for one reason =20 > or another. Computers are great, but there=92s one thing that I think =20= > limits things, at least in our group. I don=92t like the way we all =20= > have to be MIDI sync=92ed together. I=92d rather we could all use = loops =20 > or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebase. When =20 > synced together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he =20= > can dictate the tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop =20 > my host sequencer, I can=92t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here=92s = =20 > what I=92d like to be able to do. > > I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle =20 > Express with some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/=20 > MAX/Pure Data/etc). I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it =20= > will alter the tempo and the shuttle control so that when actuated, =20= > it will increase/decrease the tempo by a preset amount (say 5bpm) =20 > then return the tempo to its original value when released. I could =20 > use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop, etc. Then I =20 > could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would with =20 > decks. > > Any ideas? > > Greg If you do not MIDI sync the computers everyone can use a local tap =20 tempo function to catch up with the global tempo feel in the group. I =20= like playing group improvisaiton unsynced, but I prefer another =20 method to catch up with the groups temp that I learned on the EDP. If =20= you are using a software looper like Augustus Loop or Mobius you can =20 let the looper dictate the global tempo reference for all your =20 software and what you do then to set a new temp is simply to record a =20= new "first loop". BTW, the best system so far for synchronized group =20 improvisation is the EDP's Brother Sync but I have not heard about =20 any such thing in software. To do the tempo wacking and getting back on track, as described at =20 the end of your post, you need some tool for Tempo Division. In =20 Ableton Live I have used the audio tremolo function of the plug-in =20 Auto Pan (controlled by a MIDI joy-stick) to do that. On the MIDI =20 side I know that these tempo division techniques are one of the major =20= principles in Numerology (OS X). You should also be able to make a =20 tempo division tool in Max. Don't know about Bidule - I'd love a =20 tempo division tool for Bidules internal sync but I have not seen one =20= yet. But then I'm still a Bidule freshman and there might be one. If =20 you're using the non synced group set-up and use the method of =20 recording a new first loop you can just make this new loop in a =20 different length but poly rhythmically musical. Like for example if =20 you're band is playing in 4/4 you make the new first loop one and a =20 half bar long. This will create a new tempo reference for all your =20 local synced stuff that goes in a slower kind of triplet feel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 03:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631923BEC5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 03:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KyYnb9L1Ckl4mti2BobP64/Z9/hWHEPVK8fMJZZNIU1qK4ANRdGWLtd1tCsunDfb2pRTOYoL7To5smaq0spF7RBV9piH0ZKuXFi/AuJxXW9+XWZ7YOvNFEklYIMR7Yq0gPDMe3goVgHcmIag6EhrSdu+ToPIpwuMXdnWUSMkjGk= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:39:26 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-6LgnC.A.OxB.xhWSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 03:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jeff! I downloaded the latest versions of both and will give them a try. On 11/1/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to > > sync the last time I tried. > > The 1.30c version of Mobius should sync with Usine. I've been in > contact with the Usine developer, I'm not sure if he made any changes > for the sync issues, but if there was a new release of Usine in the > past month that might fix it too. It is probably best to get the > latest versions of both. > > The last time I checked though there was still an issue with Usine > rouding off the length of a "bar" after it had told me the bar had > ended. This could result in the Usine bars being slightly longer than > the Mobius cycle length, which will cause gradual sync drift. The > drift will be corrected, but this correction will happen more often > than usual. > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 04:31:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD11C3BECC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:31:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.co m> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:31:43 +0000 (UTC) I can't comment on Usine, haven't tried it. But I was using energyxt for about 6 months and then switched to Bidule that I've been using for nearly a year now. I haven't tapped into the midi possibilities as I'm mostly playing acoustic instruments. In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with a midi foot pedal. Then those chains all go into a mixer bidule and the outputs go into mobius which is also controlled with the next bank on my foot pedal. I found a tutorial explaining how to put this arrangement together and it has worked really well for me. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 10:39 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Jeff! I downloaded the latest versions of both and will give them a >try. > >On 11/1/06, Jeff Larson wrote: >>From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] >> > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to >> > sync the last time I tried. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 11:16:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620933BEB6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:21:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4549D4A6.8010309@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= I have a free double CD to give away to a lucky caller. Tune in to find out what CD and hear it on today's show. Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a the month-long Special Focus on Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cords" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Grand Canyon Suite" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 12:20:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501243BEC5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:19:37 +0200 Message-ID: <3lntZVWr9H1l.zy5zzv06@smtp.tre.biz> X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all your opinions, people. Last night i tested Energy and if found it very simple...But now i want to try Bidule. I'll let you know Thanks fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.co /eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 12:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A9D3BED6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CgYtZfhE96pQwpjl8S7Bhefb+L4Vd/shFz1vgiDFgHBfEVtch8+Hfi5Uiwwy8oZm4tjrhBvg2MzWqVcy1+BAy7ivR8V7ufLQ5mnw1XJj9Rdei5kqoNAYNwtNeWayByRSFttkZH0m898Oi0uU4Eu74N3kktu62cRelx0SPuCwC44= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:34:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 05.31, paul wrote: > In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with > a midi foot pedal. Hi Paul, Very interesting. Would you mind explaining a little more how you manage that without overloading the computer's CPU? If you have 12 chains with each of them containing maybe a dozen VST plug-ins I guess you have set up a way to keep the plug-ins in mute mode except for when their parent chain is activated by your food pedal - right? Are you stuffing the VST plug-ins together as a Bidule Group and then muting and unmuting that group? LIke each "effect chain" equalling a Group? It would be interesting to hear from your experience of how much the CPU load goes down when keeping plug-ins loaded but muted. This knowledge is kind of essential for those who still consider eventually going into Bidule. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 15:16:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD92B3BEC7; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:16:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7LjQcB.A.beF.OvgSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You're exactly right, initially I had way overloaded my cpu and couldn't run anything! The thing to do here is to use a module called audio switcher which is connected to your midi pedal. This enables you to select which chain you want to use. Then in the paramaters you have to select the output processing mode of the audio switcher and link it to the mode of each vst in that chain. Once you've done that when you select a chain of effects the other chains are switched off and on your screen have a red circle with a line through it to show that chain is off. There is a good tutorial at http://www.mts.net/~mathers/q1_live.html that explains with pictures the whole process. I had to add one more step to that tutorial and insert a program change filter on the line between my midi input and the audio switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly changing my vst chains. Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but I've been very happy with the results. I generally only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite cpu intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by freeamp is using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp vintage warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12% of course mobius is running all the time after these effects as all my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through mobius before going back into my audio card output. I found that tutorial on this website http://www.mts.net/~mathers/FAQ_Index.html it has quite a few different tutorials. The biggest problem with Bidule for me has been the lack of really clear instructions on how to go about various layouts. I think for somebody who already has experience working with midi layouts there are great possibilities here, but a lot of it is just over my head. best of luck with it, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 07:34 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: >On 2 nov 2006, at 05.31, paul wrote: > >> In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with >>a midi foot pedal. > >Hi Paul, > >Very interesting. Would you mind explaining a little more how you >manage that without overloading the computer's CPU? If you have 12 >chains with each of them containing maybe a dozen VST plug-ins I >guess you have set up a way to keep the plug-ins in mute mode except >for when their parent chain is activated by your food pedal - right? >Are you stuffing the VST plug-ins together as a Bidule Group and then >muting and unmuting that group? LIke each "effect chain" equalling a >Group? > >It would be interesting to hear from your experience of how much the >CPU load goes down when keeping plug-ins loaded but muted. This >knowledge is kind of essential for those who still consider >eventually going into Bidule. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 206673BED5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=slXE5HcH4tqXcXibOmPHQbwsPgfy6NyzXuudqst5rljwyNPURWVa2t9LyX+2/EHW+7O1w/tyRRGRTtXPt5w0SSkFNA3RAwod2NKPni9u/n0nO/HlXAp/GvbyeFhuTHk0fFi2zpKa73rc3YbPIVunlX0V62hBAMsHtI2HZr+26iY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:38:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:38:19 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: > audio switcher 8< 8< 8< aha, that's the trick. Thanks a lot! This means Bidule is now blinking all green for me. Feels good to know that you're not wasting time when beginning to learn a new application. I can now feel comfortable with the decision to keep MAX/Msp as my "audio plug-in manufactory" until my available computing power makes it possible to replace my pre-loop hardware with all laptop processing. > I had to add one more step to that tutorial and insert a program > change filter on the line between my midi input and the audio > switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly > changing my vst chains. Nice! I too discovered the pc filter bidule yesterday late night when reading the manual in bed on a laptop. This is great news to med because it means I can keep my FCB1010 pedal with the same MIDI PC bindings as I use with the hardware set-up (tc fireworX). And I can take my time to replace the twenty fireworX sound patches with software multi plug-in setups (eventually also new MAX patches) > Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but > I've been very happy with the results. I generally only have 3 or 4 > effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple effects > running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite cpu > intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by freeamp is > using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp vintage > warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12% > of course mobius is running all the time after these effects as all > my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through mobius > before going back into my audio card output. I also put chains of effect plug-ins first then through Mobius and then the Mobius master through a freeverb. I would like to wrap it up with a stereo compressor (Sonalkis, for a more musical mix and to be able balance the mix dynamically from the level of my live input in relation to the Mobius stuff)) but I had to sacrifice that to save up CPU cycles. Instead I still use my external hardware RNC (REally Nice Comporessor) as the last unit before the PA. I'm also having great fun with the SiR convolusion reverb VST plug- in! (tip for you that don't know about SiR). I like to keep it in the beginning, pre loop, and play though it as a performance effect. I have bought amazing convulotion impulses from http:// spiritcanyonaudio.com. That's a cheap way to find unusual effect sounds to play with. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 18:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37D823BEF0; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--499495922 Message-Id: From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:14:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=66.248.87.175 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:15:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--499495922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Paul, Is it possible to change settings within each effect chain? For example, for non-looping gigs, it's pretty normal for me to run chorus and delay patches. The delay times are different depending on the song. So, instead of having ten effect chains that are the same (except some of the parameters are different, i.e. delay time), is it possible to pull up the effect chain you need and then select the patch for a specific song within that chain...all via MIDI patch change. I can just imagine things getting a little cumbersome if you have 75 effect chains. Maybe I'm over thinking this? Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Nov 2, 2006, at 7:16 AM, paul wrote: > Hi Per, > > You're exactly right, initially I had way overloaded my cpu and > couldn't run anything! The thing to do here is to use a module > called audio switcher which is connected to your midi pedal. This > enables you to select which chain you want to use. Then in the > paramaters you have to select the output processing mode of the > audio switcher and link it to the mode of each vst in that chain. > Once you've done that when you select a chain of effects the other > chains are switched off and on your screen have a red circle with a > line through it to show that chain is off. There is a good tutorial > at http://www.mts.net/~mathers/q1_live.html that explains with > pictures the whole process. > > I had to add one more step to that tutorial and insert a program > change filter on the line between my midi input and the audio > switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly > changing my vst chains. > > Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but > I've been very happy with the results. I generally only have 3 or 4 > effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple effects > running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite cpu > intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by freeamp is > using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp vintage > warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12% > of course mobius is running all the time after these effects as all > my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through mobius > before going back into my audio card output. > > I found that tutorial on this website http://www.mts.net/~mathers/ > FAQ_Index.html it has quite a few different tutorials. The biggest > problem with Bidule for me has been the lack of really clear > instructions on how to go about various layouts. I think for > somebody who already has experience working with midi layouts there > are great possibilities here, but a lot of it is just over my head. > > best of luck with it, > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > www.dulcify.ca > > > > At 07:34 AM 11/2/2006, you wrote: >> On 2 nov 2006, at 05.31, paul wrote: >> >>> In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with >>> a midi foot pedal. >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Very interesting. Would you mind explaining a little more how you >> manage that without overloading the computer's CPU? If you have 12 >> chains with each of them containing maybe a dozen VST plug-ins I >> guess you have set up a way to keep the plug-ins in mute mode except >> for when their parent chain is activated by your food pedal - right? >> Are you stuffing the VST plug-ins together as a Bidule Group and then >> muting and unmuting that group? LIke each "effect chain" equalling a >> Group? >> >> It would be interesting to hear from your experience of how much the >> CPU load goes down when keeping plug-ins loaded but muted. This >> knowledge is kind of essential for those who still consider >> eventually going into Bidule. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-1--499495922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Paul,

Is it possible to change = settings within each effect chain?=A0 For example, for non-looping gigs, = it's pretty normal for me to run chorus and delay patches.=A0 The delay = times are different depending on the song.=A0 So, instead of having ten = effect chains that are the same (except some of the parameters are = different, i.e. delay time), is it possible to pull up the effect chain = you need and then select the patch for a specific song within that = chain...all via MIDI patch change.=A0 I can just imagine things getting = a little cumbersome if you have 75 effect chains.=A0 Maybe I'm over = thinking this?

Matt


On Nov 2, 2006, at 7:16 AM, paul wrote:

Hi Per,

You're exactly right, initially = I had way overloaded my cpu and couldn't run anything! The thing to do = here is to use a module called audio switcher which is connected to your = midi pedal. This enables you to select which chain you want to use. Then = in the paramaters you have to select the output processing mode of the = audio switcher and link it to the mode of each vst in that chain. Once = you've done that when you select a chain of effects the other chains are = switched off and on your screen have a red circle with a line through it = to show that chain is off. There is a good tutorial at http://www.mts.net/~math= ers/q1_live.html that explains with pictures the whole = process.

I had to add one more step to that tutorial and = insert a program change filter on the line between my midi input and the = audio switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly = changing my vst chains.

Once I had this all laid out = I've only had to tweek it a bit but I've been very happy with the = results. I generally only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of = them already have multiple effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 = and those are quite cpu intensive. I found the chain with classic eq = followed by freeamp is using about 29% while the chain running classic = eq, psp vintage warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at = about 12%
of course mobius is running all = the time after these effects as all my chains are routed into a mixer = module and then through mobius before going back into my audio card = output.

I found that tutorial on this website http://www.mts.net/~ma= thers/FAQ_Index.html it has quite a few different tutorials. The = biggest problem with Bidule for me has been the lack of really clear = instructions on how to go about various layouts. I think for somebody = who already has experience working with midi layouts there are great = possibilities here, but a lot of it is just over my head.

best of = luck with it,

Paul Haslem
Ontario, = Canada
www.dulcify.ca



At 07:34 AM 11/2/2006, you = wrote:
On 2 nov = 2006, at 05.31, paul wrote:

=A0In Bidule I have 12 chains of = effects that I can select from with
a midi foot = pedal.
Hi Paul,

Very = interesting. Would you mind explaining a little more how you
manage that without overloading the computer's CPU? = If you have 12
chains with each of them = containing maybe a dozen VST plug-ins I
guess = you have set up a way to keep the plug-ins in mute mode except
for when their parent chain is activated by your = food pedal - right?
Are you stuffing the VST = plug-ins together as a Bidule Group and then
muting and unmuting that group? LIke each "effect = chain" equalling a
Group?

It would = be interesting to hear from your experience of how much the
CPU load goes down when keeping plug-ins loaded but = muted. This
knowledge is kind of essential = for those who still consider
eventually = going into Bidule.
Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)




=

= --Apple-Mail-1--499495922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 18:17:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 938AA3BEF5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--499334141 Message-Id: From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:17:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.87.175 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--499334141 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, I'm a little curious as to your rational for using Bidule as your host and Max/MSP to create your own plug-ins. It seems to me that Max/MSP does everything you need, so why bother having to learn two programs? Is Bidule that much faster to create a transitional set- up? (Just playing devil's advocate!!) Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: > >> audio switcher 8< 8< 8< > > aha, that's the trick. Thanks a lot! This means Bidule is now > blinking all green for me. Feels good to know that you're not > wasting time when beginning to learn a new application. I can now > feel comfortable with the decision to keep MAX/Msp as my "audio > plug-in manufactory" until my available computing power makes it > possible to replace my pre-loop hardware with all laptop processing. > >> I had to add one more step to that tutorial and insert a program >> change filter on the line between my midi input and the audio >> switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly >> changing my vst chains. > > Nice! I too discovered the pc filter bidule yesterday late night > when reading the manual in bed on a laptop. This is great news to > med because it means I can keep my FCB1010 pedal with the same MIDI > PC bindings as I use with the hardware set-up (tc fireworX). And I > can take my time to replace the twenty fireworX sound patches with > software multi plug-in setups (eventually also new MAX patches) > >> Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but >> I've been very happy with the results. I generally only have 3 or >> 4 effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple >> effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite >> cpu intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by >> freeamp is using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp >> vintage warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12% >> of course mobius is running all the time after these effects as >> all my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through >> mobius before going back into my audio card output. > > I also put chains of effect plug-ins first then through Mobius and > then the Mobius master through a freeverb. I would like to wrap it > up with a stereo compressor (Sonalkis, for a more musical mix and > to be able balance the mix dynamically from the level of my live > input in relation to the Mobius stuff)) but I had to sacrifice that > to save up CPU cycles. Instead I still use my external hardware RNC > (REally Nice Comporessor) as the last unit before the PA. > > I'm also having great fun with the SiR convolusion reverb VST plug- > in! (tip for you that don't know about SiR). I like to keep it in > the beginning, pre loop, and play though it as a performance > effect. I have bought amazing convulotion impulses from http:// > spiritcanyonaudio.com. That's a cheap way to find unusual effect > sounds to play with. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--499334141 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,

I'm a little curious as to = your rational for using Bidule as your host and Max/MSP to create=A0 = your own plug-ins.=A0 It seems to me that Max/MSP does everything you = need, so why bother having to learn two programs?=A0 Is Bidule that much = faster to create a transitional set-up?=A0 (Just playing devil's = advocate!!)

Matt


On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul = wrote:

=
audio switcher 8< 8< = 8<
aha, that's the trick. Thanks a = lot! This means Bidule is now blinking all green for me. Feels good to = know that you're not wasting time when beginning to learn a new = application. I can now feel comfortable with the decision to keep = MAX/Msp as my "audio plug-in manufactory" until my available computing = power makes it possible to replace my pre-loop hardware with all laptop = processing.

=
I had to add one more step = to that tutorial and insert a program change filter on the line between = my midi input and the audio switcher so that I could operate mobius = without inadvertantly changing my vst chains.

Nice! I = too discovered the pc filter bidule yesterday late night when reading = the manual in bed on a laptop. This is great news to med because it = means I can keep my FCB1010 pedal with the same MIDI PC bindings as I = use with the hardware set-up (tc fireworX). And I can take my time to = replace the twenty fireworX sound patches with software multi plug-in = setups (eventually also new MAX patches)

Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek = it a bit but I've been very happy with the results. I generally only = have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple = effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite cpu = intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by freeamp is = using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp vintage warmer, = classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12%
of course mobius is running all the time after these = effects as all my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through = mobius before going back into my audio card output.
=

I also put chains of effect plug-ins first then = through Mobius and then the Mobius master through a freeverb. I would = like to wrap it up with a stereo compressor (Sonalkis, for a more = musical mix and to be able balance the mix dynamically from the level of = my live input in relation to the Mobius stuff)) but I had to sacrifice = that to save up CPU cycles. Instead I still use my external hardware RNC = (REally Nice Comporessor) as the last unit before the PA.

I'm also = having great fun with the SiR convolusion reverb VST plug-in! (tip for = you that don't know about SiR). I like to keep it in the beginning, pre = loop, and play though it as a performance effect. I have bought amazing = convulotion impulses from http://spiritcanyonaudio.com. = That's a cheap way to find unusual effect sounds to play with.


Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)





= --Apple-Mail-2--499334141-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 18:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280243BEE0; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GYm/RDOY8oOjB+9yx2+5Hyo/uetwDMW9ioAdbcUnqN99cxZ8HiTp6fAzo+sUCyv1E5lDa5IlQwj7PlvqTxvAMS8yhqecVlIiOfZ9Pb+Hrf1f/slTgIc7WWa7Vz39gd/WiKf44ojTgmtM91klJYG7NhMFei/n+gBR1Af11XHRwKU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <779B7234-8550-4F80-8610-DDFB9C941E4B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:55:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 18:55:16 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 19.17, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Per, > > I'm a little curious as to your rational for using Bidule as your > host and Max/MSP to create your own plug-ins. It seems to me that > Max/MSP does everything you need, so why bother having to learn two > programs? Is Bidule that much faster to create a transitional set- > up? (Just playing devil's advocate!!) Oh, yes - I read both app's manuals and I'm aware that Max/MSP can do everything I need. But Bidule does it faster and I have more fun making music than writing patches ;-)) If you know about audio processing and routing you almost don't have to "learn Bidule"; the modules are there on the screen and you simply have to connect the cables. Most kind of routings are already pre-fab, for example there is a right-click menu for instant syncing as slave or master (or non sync) to Bidules internal tempo clock. Then this Bidule clock can be set to follow external sync signal. I may go all Max/MSP in the future if it will make sense then. Max/ MSP is definitely topping my shopping list and enjoys an instant spare-time-priority ranking on my to-do list. I already own Bidule since years, so I thought I'd begin there. Now when I have a working laptop looping rig based on Bidule I can take my time learning Max/ MSP for future needs. I still only have a 1 GHz centrino and it doesn't make sense to start creating what I have in mind for Max/MSP until I get a more powerful machine. On the Mac there is already Numerology that would be my dream combination with Mobius. But since Mobius only runs on PC I may have to duplicate my most beloved Numerology patches with Max to use with Mobius on the PC. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 19:09:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB45F3BEF4; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3kvqkRPRzJ/oQu73mbnlhIjfMA1zyLX0R89W2dtBNCxpmADw7miQIV7WCKx6HbwgvnGRDhQKJ9B40By04vrUKhyT7MVqV/NOgWIMo5MnrB97YcCztLevvA+2nWUaUuGzUwMXhAduh0ILcbMrJ0cusNfOO62lS+2THueyOQSddE= ; Message-ID: <20061102190934.68141.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:09:34 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: downloading videos youtube To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Does someone have time to tell me in detail, how to download and make dvd of youtube videos? best regards Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 19:45:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362B73BEF3; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061102144516.xhlvkwuvuo4ocgs8@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:45:16 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Matt, if you have the various settings saved in your delay program you could run a midi line to the delay vst and move up or down with your footpedal. I have done that with guitar rig. You'll need to watch what signal your foot pedal controller is sending or you could end up changing your vst chain, it's taken some experimenting to accomplish this but if you put that program change filter then the audio switcher will only see the signals you want it too. hope that helps, You'll want to check out those tutorials, you can probably find the answers you're looking for there. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca Quoting "Matthew F. McCabe" : > Paul, > > Is it possible to change settings within each effect chain? For > example, for non-looping gigs, it's pretty normal for me to run > chorus and delay patches. The delay times are different depending on > the song. So, instead of having ten effect chains that are the same > (except some of the parameters are different, i.e. delay time), is > it possible to pull up the effect chain you need and then select the > patch for a specific song within that chain...all via MIDI patch > change. I can just imagine things getting a little cumbersome if you > have 75 effect chains. Maybe I'm over thinking this? > > Matt > > --- > King Never > http://www.kingnever.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 19:50:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E97A3BEC5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061102145004.l0fy1j51p0cwsk48@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:50:04 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5WVdSC.A.VNB.svkSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, Nice to be able to help you out for a change, You've given me tons of info over the last couple of years about looping.... I appreciate all the time you've given to the group. I've been on a real search in recent months for a better sounding reverb, I'll check that one out. Regards, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca Quoting Per Boysen : > I'm also having great fun with the SiR convolusion reverb VST plug- > in! (tip for you that don't know about SiR). I like to keep it in the > beginning, pre loop, and play though it as a performance effect. I > have bought amazing convulotion impulses from http:// > spiritcanyonaudio.com. That's a cheap way to find unusual effect > sounds to play with. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 20:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FEE43BED2; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NZz+5EaWYMDs6C1cVH2XTzhdfaZ5GPrweLCfGrdHTX0KN5adth+UhwscmMzghxayetaevcevSqXQlz4B8yBUX0gM4IsF+KPjyzzePVwC5/sQt9p9GE/o8BLwuyNMvMMHaw2Zx7U7bsQ5yFRxTMOtOhjUleqJ9160RlXIlh3Pl3E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061102145004.l0fy1j51p0cwsk48@www.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> <20061102145004.l0fy1j51p0cwsk48@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:24:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3gXyAC.A.ZrC.LQlSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 20.50, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > I've been on a real search in recent months for a better sounding > reverb, I'll > check that one out. It's not the Sir VST plug-in that is "the great reverb". As with all convousion impulse based processing it has all to do with the quality of the impulses you load it with. I received a lot of useful reverb impulses with Logic Pro so I have been a little lazy to hunt for new, but if you search the internet there are amazing impulses posted for free. You can download an impulse taken from the most expensive studio hardware reverb - the only difference is that the hardware original has some subtile random processing thrown in which is not possible to pull off for a software plug-in like SiR. Some people run out with laptops and DAT recorders to record their own impulses but I'm totally happy with the crazy stuff you find on the internet. Recording your own might be good if you're a pro engineer recording a live album and need to be able to exactly duplicate (later in the studio) the ambience of that particular venue filled with that particular amount of people. http://spiritcanyonaudio.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 22:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A863BEDE; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3lGJ5sLNtMNb1jyH24FSB9I3u2VZjIc1Xsdd+mHqqaQbjnDWXoyCpNu1SPxPkdame0GWISyIusftRSm2eBb3eomQtAm1K3VDNGAVNK/wPG1MZYzOo4Z/h6sdFZC/Bvqsv4BuHLQGoVzM13eOrQW+oDqew+w3KTaoSa5jwdYoVUA= ; Message-ID: <20061102220956.79096.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:09:56 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey boys and girls! As someone who's slowly abandoning "a real setup" and moving into a virtual one, the below comment about Guitar Rig piqued my interest. I recently downloaded the demo... and kind of loved it. I'd really been resisting this final plung into computer based processing... Even now the idea of it makes me feel uneasy... Is this feeling justified? I don't know if it was accurate in it's emulations of all the gear it emulates, but in general with not too much tweaking I found the sound to be good and it totally reminded me of a time when all my guitar processing didn't come from couple of boxes. There was my good old rack from years gone by... all rendered in lovely little LCD pixels. I was able to insert it in my audio channel next to 4 other channels hosting VSTi's and an insert channel containing Mobius and it worked like a charm... for 30 minutes. (demo time) CPU purred away at about 40%. I didn't even have time to get to it's looper. Is it a good tool or throw-away feature like many add on loopers are? So, I guess I don't have any other questions other than to ask what your experience with Guitar Rig 2 is. Is the controller worth it, or should I stick to a different controller (my audio interface seemed to work great) I've read other reviews but I know you peeps are A) Smarter than the average human and B) Push the limits of your gear harder than your average musician. Thanks, Mark > On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: > Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but > I've been very happy with the results. I generally > only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of them already have > multiple effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are > quite cpu intensive. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 22:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296203BED6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fb5VxE9lN/Kd3TFPYlk9mwWma7+chjPxsUeVqgp4z2NxKgqQuU/dxGKLiQGLOtJ0U00K3OC7GumuWQzDWGzQeI559fj5PlU4JT//PG1QzkcWwjrdml+nYEdir87x9lkZQicbBqVlqMe/FJTkWJT2kx1347MOdx0doIXsgulAdVk= ; Message-ID: <20061102221807.49984.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: downloading videos youtube To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061102190934.68141.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:18:09 +0000 (UTC) I think they have the video up their streaming, so there's no easy way to capture the file on your machine. I think they embed it in Flash which makes it doubly hard. (they don't want you doing this) Even if you did find some hack to get it, first you'd have to convert it to a standard video codec and the video you'd get would look horrible played back on a TV anyway (losing yet another generation of quality as it's recompressed and then another when becoming a DVD file) If you get that far, I highly recommend the FREE iDVD software that comes with Macintosh computers. The software is too easy to use and the results are good. I've used their DVD Studio Pro software for years but truth be told, when I'm throwing something simple together I'll use iDVD just for ease and speed. Mark --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Does someone have time to tell me in detail, how to > download and make dvd of youtube videos? > > best regards Rune F > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > __________________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 22:31:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AC13BEE9; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=epbXUEvE41zI/kJ5XoRAlb+WvsJM+oEzYP91ZCM5e1qUVKQxq6BmJTfCDfhx9z9KrgEmwdOO3+fNP+3BEn/U1gGposlgt4A2HbhoeY7RT1SaqcVeUy6tyenwu3ByK0IMWFZ8URgfTY1TcpaVkqpTQvrXqxw7dd1SC0tT/9jpGsM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061102190934.68141.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20061102190934.68141.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: downloading videos youtube Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:31:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:31:54 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:09 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > how to > download and make dvd of youtube videos? You can use Keepvid: http://keepvid.com which will let you download the video as an flv file. Can be viewed using an flv player. There is software to convert the flv file to other formats but I have no idea of image quality for such translations. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 22:37:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 290BB3BEE2; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eOnR+R5eycR7vH8v4Q3TzwIQUOfgvuwUg9nDsWQKfZHzkPIAy5tFsJXoNuwAl6qN+DzobTenz8TRZiDbly18rPeDL3TNWSpF5H7+Y3CJ1dJbUuLifOHrv37nP1MOL3HgbTjgiDfk94Thog9sIrGwFc4mwdQC0fCzGrfC/VTHxaE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611021434g61438e74k304c51c1be0765d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:34:50 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? In-Reply-To: <20061102220956.79096.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6657E6F0-2257-4816-93D9-36FFC6219527@gmail.com> <20061102220956.79096.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:37:42 +0000 (UTC) If you like your audio interface and have a midi foot controller you are happy with, it wouldn't hurt to check out Green Machine, my favorite VST guitar amp simulator. I prefer the sound to Guitar Rig, but sound is very subjective and I'm not particularly interested in emulating any particular amp. I think the demo works without any restrictions for 30 days. http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/ I'm currently using a Line6 TonePort. Since it's doing the amp simulation outboard of the computer, it's a bit more CPU friendly. I don't have any experience with the Guitar Rig foot controller, just the demo software. On 11/2/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey boys and girls! > > As someone who's slowly abandoning "a real setup" and > moving into a virtual one, the below comment about > Guitar Rig piqued my interest. > > I recently downloaded the demo... and kind of loved > it. I'd really been resisting this final plung into > computer based processing... Even now the idea of it > makes me feel uneasy... Is this feeling justified? > > I don't know if it was accurate in it's emulations of > all the gear it emulates, but in general with not too > much tweaking I found the sound to be good and it > totally reminded me of a time when all my guitar > processing didn't come from couple of boxes. There > was my good old rack from years gone by... all > rendered in lovely little LCD pixels. > > I was able to insert it in my audio channel next to 4 > other channels hosting VSTi's and an insert channel > containing Mobius and it worked like a charm... for 30 > minutes. (demo time) CPU purred away at about 40%. I > didn't even have time to get to it's looper. Is it a > good tool or throw-away feature like many add on > loopers are? > > So, I guess I don't have any other questions other > than to ask what your experience with Guitar Rig 2 is. > Is the controller worth it, or should I stick to a > different controller (my audio interface seemed to > work great) > > I've read other reviews but I know you peeps are A) > Smarter than the average human and B) Push the limits > of your gear harder than your average musician. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: > > > Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek > it a bit but > > I've been very happy with the results. I generally > > only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of > them already have > > multiple effects running as in guitar rig or > freeamp2 and those are > > quite cpu intensive. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 23:06:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6A6B3BEE9; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZFjDa39cLo0cX1jy+TcRT3TKkh+PY7A1P8TyghhVdatabbAyoWXio7SKsBrBWKfcbnxlop5bnN5ifDjFyEK22f1wrpj8hWcXrNw7ZY5AkNf9yDrvqgvpAqBCOoZy6sp/+6Fh9YyN6bTcQ+t2BVOerhhhyGF7wF7bANDCkuaAxGo= ; Message-ID: <20061102230611.9822.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611021434g61438e74k304c51c1be0765d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Oh that does sound good indeed. Part of Guitar Rig's charm was all the extra gear emulation like the stomp boxes and rack gear too but if Green Machine sounds anything like the web demos it might be worth having as well. --- Art Simon wrote: > If you like your audio interface and have a midi > foot controller you > are happy with, it wouldn't hurt to check out Green > Machine, my > favorite VST guitar amp simulator. I prefer the > sound to Guitar Rig, > but sound is very subjective and I'm not > particularly interested in > emulating any particular amp. I think the demo works > without any > restrictions for 30 days. > > http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/ > > I'm currently using a Line6 TonePort. Since it's > doing the amp > simulation outboard of the computer, it's a bit more > CPU friendly. > > I don't have any experience with the Guitar Rig foot > controller, just > the demo software. > > On 11/2/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Hey boys and girls! > > > > As someone who's slowly abandoning "a real setup" > and > > moving into a virtual one, the below comment about > > Guitar Rig piqued my interest. > > > > I recently downloaded the demo... and kind of > loved > > it. I'd really been resisting this final plung > into > > computer based processing... Even now the idea of > it > > makes me feel uneasy... Is this feeling justified? > > > > I don't know if it was accurate in it's emulations > of > > all the gear it emulates, but in general with not > too > > much tweaking I found the sound to be good and it > > totally reminded me of a time when all my guitar > > processing didn't come from couple of boxes. > There > > was my good old rack from years gone by... all > > rendered in lovely little LCD pixels. > > > > I was able to insert it in my audio channel next > to 4 > > other channels hosting VSTi's and an insert > channel > > containing Mobius and it worked like a charm... > for 30 > > minutes. (demo time) CPU purred away at about > 40%. I > > didn't even have time to get to it's looper. Is > it a > > good tool or throw-away feature like many add on > > loopers are? > > > > So, I guess I don't have any other questions other > > than to ask what your experience with Guitar Rig 2 > is. > > Is the controller worth it, or should I stick to > a > > different controller (my audio interface seemed to > > work great) > > > > I've read other reviews but I know you peeps are > A) > > Smarter than the average human and B) Push the > limits > > of your gear harder than your average musician. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > > On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: > > > > > Once I had this all laid out I've only had to > tweek > > it a bit but > > > I've been very happy with the results. I > generally > > > only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some > of > > them already have > > > multiple effects running as in guitar rig or > > freeamp2 and those are > > > quite cpu intensive. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 23:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41FA3BEE0; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B9DD@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20061102220956.79096.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? thread-index: Acb+y6OL8PpcEhNkSF60tN1do+x67gABwlKg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:10:55 +0000 (UTC) From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Is the controller worth it, or should I stick to a > different controller (my audio interface seemed to > work great) One thing you have to be careful of with these integrated hardware/software combos is that the hardware often serves as the audio interface as well as a control surface for the software. For guitar modeling you always want to use an ASIO driver with the audio interface to get the lowest latency. But an application can only open one ASIO device at a time. This means that if you already have a multi-channel audio interface you can't use it and the Rig Control at the same time. The Rig Control is only a 2 in 2 out interface, so if you want to record more than one source independently, or want to have more than one stereo out (for outboard processing, surround, etc) it won't cut it. If you're not using it for the audio interface, it is a relatively pricey MIDI controller though it is cute and small. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 23:42:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F043BEDF; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Yamaha MFC 10 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:42:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B9DD@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:42:56 +0000 (UTC) After having lived with the limitations and quirks of my behringer FCB1010 for several years now, i find myself longing for a new midi pedal to control my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two possible contenders, the Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like about both is the capability of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know is how rugged the Yamaha is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more reasonably priced, and I like the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the roland (EV5) which are also more reasonably priced, and seem a little more substantial. thoughts anyone?? Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 23:45:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AD13BEEC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dFC+i3Ii7EKwMR1sliazYKSet3y+7jt1nqp2CmPzv8OzvdWRyHOp28lhIizVY/MKwMs+wIeRtugYTKR8V05aWiHMwK3CeQa8Ll9O+kmSh3/+qZUwDMfYLyexIEXuEBRwb4klV/NOz/TFp+5yIm/NlawpW60fLSt9uxWRer5tX0g= ; Message-ID: <20061102234541.31016.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B9DD@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4OPBYB.A.rSD.mMoSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:45:43 +0000 (UTC) --- Jeff Larson wrote: > One thing you have to be careful of with these > integrated hardware/software combos is that the hardware often > serves as the audio interface as well as a control surface for the > software. It does. USB2 I believe. >For guitar modeling you always want to use an ASIO > driver with the audio interface to get the lowest latency. But an > application can only open one ASIO device at a time. Ah, good to know. > This means that if you already have a > multi-channel audio interface you can't use it and > the Rig Control at the same time. I do. (actually a couple. A MOTU 828 hooked to my G5 Mac, and a M-Audio Firewire Solo for the Toshiba Laptop running XP) I kind of thought I'd just get more inputs, but I guess not. > The Rig Control is only a 2 in 2 out interface, so if > you want to record more than one source independently, > or want to have > more than one stereo out (for outboard processing, > surround, etc) it won't cut it. If you're not using it for the audio > interface, it is a relatively pricey MIDI controller though it > is cute and small. I think the reason I'm considering it at all is because it's not an MIDI controller at all. It uses an audio track to transmit control data to Guitar Rig to get over limitation in MIDI CC. I guess I was wondering how much I'd miss that extra resolution if I didn't have it. I'm on an expression pedel of some sort about 80% of the time... In the end, it's probably not such a bad thing as the way I'd use it woudl be in a rig where the only audio external to the laptop was the guitar anyway. I wonder though, if I used it on my Mac if the Core Audio drivers had the same issue. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 00:03:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF68A3BEE4; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LK/dH4i64A2P8aETZ/owTtMYEsgnHLk4r/YGu5CM+eL7Yh+gMy8WFEv4wJTuQLgBMUvjyTRKDzX0+ql078Kf34aIl7m/WzwZdYEDkI3LNoXUp9uoEs062OISLx3OqoPotdafiACTHCrg0WY80lpvH/C8If8LdSmeEla/U+NzJC0= ; Message-ID: <20061103000348.55556.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4eLPRC.A.PDE.ldoSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:03:49 +0000 (UTC) --- Doug Wellington wrote: > The > one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't > is the storage > capability Don't forget it's pitch and time stretching abilities... or it's programmable effects loop. Other than the Repeater, nothing I'm awear of does this. ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 00:32:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935583BECC; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3iCFm0h8yv5yRHfglAYyz2qWAqQ6wcVRQ7fA76p/8/sweePwiKA1tO339JVozNWXtRCb1xk2dcDfs7Bcdhhg0I/wSf1nNBudT2pFrdcvQmrzv/H2ptGbXqFK1cSDj3Qf13JX31aN5PiMHiWaIMTIHjhEoo116f/LpEtkuQswWkg= ; Message-ID: <20061103003214.3008.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:32:15 +0000 (UTC) I owned the MFC10 and I didn't have it long... I thought it sucked. I can't remember all the reasons why, but I seem to remember there was a long delay from the time you pressed the button to the time it sent the command. Too long for looping, that's for sure. I also had the Roland... I can't remember why I got rid of that, but I do know that the one I ended on was the FCB1010. It may have quirks and limitations, but it seemed to work best out of anything under $500. That was a long time ago though, perhaps they've improved them. --- William Walker wrote: > After having lived with the limitations and quirks > of my behringer FCB1010 > for several years now, i find myself longing for a > new midi pedal to control > my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two > possible contenders, the > Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like > about both is the capability > of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know is > how rugged the Yamaha > is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more > reasonably priced, and I like > the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the > roland (EV5) which are > also more reasonably priced, and seem a little more > substantial. thoughts > anyone?? > Thanks > Bill > > > __________________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 00:47:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917943BEF0; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC 10 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:47:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20061103003214.3008.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Are you talking about the latest version, as i seem to recall earlier versions with the same name that didn't have on board expression pedal and round switches like this one does . clarify please. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC 10 I owned the MFC10 and I didn't have it long... I thought it sucked. I can't remember all the reasons why, but I seem to remember there was a long delay from the time you pressed the button to the time it sent the command. Too long for looping, that's for sure. I also had the Roland... I can't remember why I got rid of that, but I do know that the one I ended on was the FCB1010. It may have quirks and limitations, but it seemed to work best out of anything under $500. That was a long time ago though, perhaps they've improved them. --- William Walker wrote: > After having lived with the limitations and quirks > of my behringer FCB1010 > for several years now, i find myself longing for a > new midi pedal to control > my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two > possible contenders, the > Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like > about both is the capability > of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know is > how rugged the Yamaha > is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more > reasonably priced, and I like > the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the > roland (EV5) which are > also more reasonably priced, and seem a little more > substantial. thoughts > anyone?? > Thanks > Bill > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 03:29:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4D33BEB8; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102221642.01ab40a0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:29:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? In-Reply-To: <20061102230611.9822.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588ce11d0611021434g61438e74k304c51c1be0765d0@mail.gmail.com> <20061102230611.9822.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) I'm just using the software, don't have the hardware part at all. The looper seems very limited and probably not what anyone here would be much interested in especially when you look at other software solutions like mobius. Personally I like the delays, they have some that allow you to do some crazy things and I've really enjoyed playing with that. But I'm sure that if I dig a bit I can find some free software that will do the same. The amp simulations are fine but I've been liking the sound of freeamp better. You might want to check it out, it also comes with some virtual stomp boxes (chorus, reverb, distortion, delay, phasor, and a few more.... you'll find it at http://www.frettedsynth.com/ under amp simulators. I also like that the developer has a forum going on KVR looking for what people would like to see in the next version of freeamp. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 06:06 PM 11/2/2006, you wrote: >Oh that does sound good indeed. Part of Guitar Rig's >charm was all the extra gear emulation like the stomp >boxes and rack gear too but if Green Machine sounds >anything like the web demos it might be worth having >as well. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 03:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C273BECD; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B9DD@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B9DD@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:57:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <0pLQaB.A.ySF.74rSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 03:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Unless it is a mac. Then you can use aggregate device..... On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > But an application can only open > one ASIO device at a time. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 04:30:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C06F3BECF; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC 10 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01ec01c6ff00$d8cc2c20$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acb+4ZnqKBv6m8ivTii8NoUi+L1nxgAHthaw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <_F3_LB.A.1tG._XsSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget that the Behringer is quite a bit more usable with the UnO firmware. Check out the FCB Yahoo group for more information. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > > Are you talking about the latest version, as i seem to recall > earlier versions with the same name that didn't have on board > expression pedal and round switches like this one does . > clarify please. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 04:31:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0373BEDA; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <454A58F1.000001.01352@MIXER> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:45:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_10F4QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5202479) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20061102190934.68141.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 To: , Subject: Re: downloading videos youtube Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_10F4QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_10F4LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_10F4LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YouTube uses FLA, Flash Video. I don't think these files can be transcode= d. Last month YouTube send me some video to encode into Mobile Phone Format.= I could not find a tool to transcode into a usable format. YouTube had to transcode Source files into WMV.=0D =0D Sony =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rune fagereng=0D Date: 11/02/2006 11:09:37 AM=0D To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: downloading videos youtube=0D =0D Hi !=0D =0D Does someone have time to tell me in detail, how to=0D download and make dvd of youtube videos?=0D =0D best regards Rune F=0D =0D www.runefagereng.com=0D Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no=0D Mob: 917 95 867=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_10F4LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
YouTube uses FLA, Flash Video. I don't think these files can be tran= scoded. Last month YouTube send me some video to encode into Mobile = Phone Format. I could not find a tool to transcode into a usabl= e format. YouTube had to transcode Source files into WMV.
 
Sony 
 
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Date: 11/02/2006 1= 1:09:37 AM
Subject: downloadi= ng videos youtube
 
Hi !
 
Does someone have time to tell me in detail, how to
download and make dvd of youtube videos?
 
best regards Rune F
 
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Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:56:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 06:56:34 +0000 (UTC) At 10:29 PM +0000 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: >Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you >think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a >stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and >would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your >thoughts. I'm out on travel right now, so I'm sorry I keep losing Internet access. But yeah, that's me annoying other people over on the Looperlative board. ;) As for the LP-1, I love it!!! I just wish I could get off the road and spend more time with it. I need to get mine sent back in for the free noise mod (with the second manufacturing run Bob found a way to reduce the noise floor by a further few dB's and offered it as a free upgrade for existing users). In regard to comparisons with the EDP, I'll state up front that I've dropped cash on the LP-1 rather than the EDP. In itself, that fact tells you where my biases lie. However, I have managed to gain some respect for the EDP over time. In the past, I was always rabidly irritated by the fact you were forced to buy a second unit merely to get stereo functionality. Prices seem to have dropped on the EDP since then, so I've mellowed out on that front somewhat. I think it's fair to say that both units have their strengths. As far as basic looping functions, you're obviously well covered with either. For differentiators between the two units, I'd say the 'glitch' functionalities on the EDP, or the asynchronous looping and multiple tracks on the LP-1 for major functions not directly mirrored on both units. That said, the Scramble feature on the Looperlative does a pretty good job of glitching up the sound, and I've heard some people do a darn good job of faking asynchronous loops on an EDP. While I primarily used the Repeater (amongst other things) prior to jumping over to the Looperlative, one of my collaborators uses a pair of EDP's, and we've done a quick side-by-side with our units to check the fidelity. Both units sound good, but we both agreed that the LP-1 sounds better in terms of frequency response and noise level (it should, however, since the basic hardware and design are more current). One of the main things that impressed my pal was that the input settings aren't nearly as tweezy as on his Oberheim EDP's, where he frequently has to play around a bit to get the input level settings just right. More things I really like about the LP-1 include the ease of setup for MIDI control, as well as the ability to set up the commands into 'macros', or sets of ordered commands executed in sequence. Also, I think the Aux Outs are brilliant! I'm using them to actually extend the capabilities of the LP-1, since I can shoot a particular track(s) out one of the Auxes to an effect unit to have it individually effected. Then, if I want to continue manipulating that inside the Looperlative, I can manually feed it back into the LP-1 -- the same sort of manual "bounce" you used to have to do with, say, an old 4- or 8- track recorder -- and re-record it onto a new track or overdub. And, of course, having the realtime control over each individual track is fantastic. Also, don't underestimate the ability to update the unit via Ethernet. Bob is committed to its continued development, and can implement or change features of the unit nearly instantly merely by publishing a software upgrade that can be quickly downloaded into the unit. For example, as Doug mentioned you can now import and export your tracks using an external storage device, thanks to a recent update. (Additionally, Bob has mentioned on the board that he *might* be able to figure out a hardware upgrade that would allow the LP-1 to use something like a CFC/SD card. As always, stay tuned...). Anyway, that just scratches the surface, but like Doug, I find myself using the Looperlative more-and-more as my primary/sole looper when I'm using hardware. Let me know if you've got any more specific questions, though, and I'll be happy to tackle them. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 07:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC0933BED9; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061103000348.55556.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061103000348.55556.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:12:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:12:04 +0000 (UTC) At 4:03 PM -0800 11/2/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >--- Doug Wellington wrote: > > > The one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't > > is the storage capability > >Don't forget it's pitch and time stretching >abilities... or it's programmable effects loop. Other >than the Repeater, nothing I'm awear of does this. I still love my Repeater, but now that the LP-1 has its Aux Outs up-&-running, I've been using an external pitch-shift unit to obtain similar -- yet no less interesting -- results. Also, over on the Looperlative board, Knights also figured out how to do quick-and-dirty time shifting by combining a pitch shifter with the loop manipulation capabilities already inside the LP-1. For instance, you want to double the length of a loop without affecting it's pitch? Half-speed the loop on the LP-1, then use the pitch shifter to bump it up by an octave. Tres' simple. Of course, I still love the immediacy and the bizarre artifacting of the Repeater, both of which are reasons I keep mine around. However, other hardware is beginning to come closer to some of those functions too. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." 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I use the Firefox browser and a plugin called "Ook? Video Ook!" (you can find it on the Mozilla Firefox site) which allows you to easily store FLV videos ... and then a FLV player by www.martijndevisser.com. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 08:48:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B68E3BED9; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 8:47:25 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC 10 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 82.195.186.223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20061103084727.86B852BD049@smtp2.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:48:08 +0000 (UTC) I had an MFC-10 for a couple of years. It's at least as tough as the Behringer, but maybe not as flexible apart from the facility for extra experession pedals. I don't think the FC200 is programmable at all. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: billwalker@baymoon.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Yamaha MFC 10 Date: 02/11/06 23:42 After having lived with the limitations and quirks of my behringer FCB1010 for several years now, i find myself longing for a new midi pedal to control my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two possible contenders, the Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like about both is the capability of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know is how rugged the Yamaha is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more reasonably priced, and I like the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the roland (EV5) which are also more reasonably priced, and seem a little more substantial. thoughts anyone?? Thanks Bill ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 12:39:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F6943BEE1; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c6ff45$812eebc0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Re: converting YourTube vids Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:42:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6FF45.7763E6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:39:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6FF45.7763E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Re: converting YourTube vids I recently discovered a method for converting these files: I already had a paid for registered copy of Xilisofts 3GP Converter V = 2.51; this inexpensive software converts various video formats to 3GPP, = 3GPP2, Avi, DivX Avi, Mpeg 1,2 & 4 and .wav formats. 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Re:=20 converting YourTube vids

 I=20 recently discovered a method for converting these = files:

 I=20 already had a paid for registered copy of Xilisofts 3GP Converter V = 2.51; this=20 inexpensive software converts various video formats to 3GPP, 3GPP2, Avi, = DivX=20 Avi, Mpeg 1,2 & 4 and .wav formats. There are a wide range of custom = parameters – you can alter bitrate for both audio & video, = framerate, crop,=20 target video size, choose from available installed codecs etc. – = the results are=20 great and the process simple.

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Hope=20 this helps,

Ralph

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6FF45.7763E6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9A373BEE2; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W2RUhSANTK7ovqaQgjepQWMqkGjuKdUGzHk8ULoOmO07d9uP8bxp5W/2FHoyp32LmRDrp0lN8fJ5z4WoSPj4T+geU154YUCz1M4bFBavzLMjyhtcW9gJacv6guf2zgeyCePDmzaoKSaOFeiicNYI/KOE+ASBEcwh9wvywnc1jhw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 06:23:18 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061103000348.55556.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Previously: > I still love my Repeater, but now that the LP-1 has its Aux Outs > up-&-running, I've been using an external pitch-shift unit to obtain > similar -- yet no less interesting -- results. Yes, I've been using a GTR 4000 with mine, so I'm pretty spoiled. I always figured I'd need an external unit since I never expected a looper to have that kind of power built in... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54F13BEF5; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c6ff4b$c2ed4ec0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Re: downloading videos youtube, Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:27:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6FF4B.C2131B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3td4-B.A.TnH.0M0SFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6FF4B.C2131B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: converting YourTube vids I recently discovered a method for converting these files: I already had a paid for registered copy of Xilisofts 3GP Converter V = 2.51; this inexpensive software converts various video formats to 3GPP, = 3GPP2, Avi, DivX Avi, Mpeg 1,2 & 4 and .wav formats. There are a wide = range of custom parameters - you can alter bitrate for both audio & = video, framerate, crop, target video size, choose from available = installed codecs etc. - the results are great and the process simple. The viewed YourTube vid can be found by doing a search for "get_video" = on the PC. Locate and copy this file to a suitable folder. Then import = into Xilisoft 3GP Converter; this file can be read and previewed by the = software even without a file extension. Set the target video parameters = and press "Encode". The progress/status bar on the software initially = confuses because it seems to jump to 100% straight-away; leave it, and = in a short while it displays a "Completed" message. I forget all the = stuff I learned about the DVD format but there's bound to be one target = vid format which you can then use in your DVD authoring/burning = software. Hope this helps, Ralph Apologies if I have double posted this - I've just re-subscribed and I = got a little confused ;) ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6FF4B.C2131B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re:=20 converting YourTube vids

 I=20 recently discovered a method for converting these = files:

 I=20 already had a paid for registered copy of Xilisofts 3GP Converter V = 2.51; this=20 inexpensive software converts various video formats to 3GPP, 3GPP2, Avi, = DivX=20 Avi, Mpeg 1,2 & 4 and .wav formats. There are a wide range of custom = parameters – you can alter bitrate for both audio & video, = framerate, crop,=20 target video size, choose from available installed codecs etc. – = the results are=20 great and the process simple.

 The=20 viewed YourTube vid can be found by doing a search for = “get_video” on the PC.=20 Locate and copy this file to a suitable folder. Then import into = Xilisoft 3GP=20 Converter; this file can be read and previewed by the software even = without a=20 file extension. Set the target video parameters and press = “Encode”. The=20 progress/status bar on the software initially confuses because it seems = to jump=20 to 100% straight-away; leave it, and in a short while it displays a = “Completed”=20 message. I forget all the stuff I learned about the DVD format but = there’s bound=20 to be one target vid format which you can then use in your DVD = authoring/burning=20 software.

 Hope=20 this helps,

Ralph

Apologies=20 if I have double posted this - I've just re-subscribed and I got a = little=20 confused ;)

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6FF4B.C2131B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F3E3BEEC; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:00:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #501 for November 2, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <454B4B7A.9030306@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061102.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #501 November 2, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Cords" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Grand Canyon Suite" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1981. I played the music of Synthetic Block who will be at The Gate later this month with special guest Dave Fulton of Dweller at the Threshold. Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov The Gate - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html#gate PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tomita Sunrise Grand Canyon Suite (RCA) Cranial Mythos Coffee Bean Asphalt Salad (none) vidnaObmana IV Reflection On Scale (Hypnos) The Tunnel Singer Cenote Cenote (none) Synthetic Block Careful With That CDR (none) Fax Machine Free System Projekt Part 2 Moyland (Quantum) cyberCHUMP Lighten Secrets To Tell You (Internal Combustion) M. Griffin Thoughts From The Pulse Meditations (Secret Another Sounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Third Contact) Modern Synergy Phobos Cords (Third Contact) Synergy Deimos Cords (Third Contact) Synergy Sketches of Mythical Cords (Third Contact) Beasts Synergy Disruptions in World Cords (Third Contact) Communications Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Third Contact) Modern II Synergy A Small Collection Cords (Third Contact) of Chords Synergy Full Moon Flyer Cords (Third Contact) Synergy Terra Incognita Cords (Third Contact) Synergy Trellis Cords (Third Contact) Synergy On Presuming To Be Cords (Third Contact) Modern III Free System Projekt Pre-flight Passenger 4 (Quantum) and Dweller at the Threshold 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Jupiter Menace" on and Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In the Gardens of Pharao/Aguirre" by Popol Vuh on Celestial Harmonies Records and released in 1983. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 23:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37013BEB5; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4UexLIW51dz5KZQRXaR9clE2+xMvvQfTESHSQzY0FbzOnnG0/HZndvdk2lRHWU9TmtG6YOUmE+vDeMRbp+CKX90BnsuCaohoy3wT72gVuqbQku6nm5v1Q6y4grZQQI0vh0jQmh6BOfXCdXQJ5C1EXKPU3mcV+FuZ//Q9SEMx9lw= ; Message-ID: <20061103232825.46429.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Mine looked exactly like that one. --- William Walker wrote: > Are you talking about the latest version, as i seem > to recall earlier > versions with the same name that didn't have on > board expression pedal and > round switches like this one does . clarify please. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC 10 > > > I owned the MFC10 and I didn't have it long... I > thought it sucked. I can't remember all the reasons > why, but I seem to remember there was a long delay > from the time you pressed the button to the time it > sent the command. Too long for looping, that's for > sure. I also had the Roland... I can't remember why > I > got rid of that, but I do know that the one I ended > on > was the FCB1010. It may have quirks and > limitations, > but it seemed to work best out of anything under > $500. > That was a long time ago though, perhaps they've > improved them. > > --- William Walker wrote: > > > After having lived with the limitations and quirks > > of my behringer FCB1010 > > for several years now, i find myself longing for a > > new midi pedal to control > > my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two > > possible contenders, the > > Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like > > about both is the capability > > of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know > is > > how rugged the Yamaha > > is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more > > reasonably priced, and I like > > the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the > > roland (EV5) which are > > also more reasonably priced, and seem a little > more > > substantial. thoughts > > anyone?? > > Thanks > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more > powerful email and get things > done faster. > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 23:35:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A514A3BECC; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=edYIUN82xeVbQZvYz4JmPS9+AavMUhdE6z0ZVfqCAoRXshgRix5+VUWzwDyguJn3Ktu8nYuaVKSiRIWaGq3iEsXVHFN3ag3M19iQL5HB2U1cxutc47tfQ/mLVP/TcbZcYg7VeHYpCZRw82ejJIJ6WVrFxr/4tXKhDPVWjU/hXC4= ; Message-ID: <20061103233510.98902.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102221642.01ab40a0@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 23:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I hear you. After you strip away a lot of the cool effects the amp sims left me a little flat. I also think it's odd that they don't let you bypass the mic sim. IMO, micing a cabinate is the last way I'd like to effect my tone. The idea is to capture it as close to how it sounds to you live.. no? When I A/B'd them to my Vox Tonelab SE the Tonelab won. Considering I like it as a "controller" as well, it wouldn't make any sense to replace it with something else (the guitar rig controller) that needs to be lugged around. I did love a lot of the other stuff it does though even though I agree the looper seems like an after thought they tacked on without really thinking about what a looper might want it to do. Anyway, I tried Freeamp... not sure what went wrong but I get no sound in or out of that plug in. Everything else works fine... Perhaps I need to reinstall. Thanks for the info, Mark --- paul wrote: > The amp simulations are fine but I've been liking > the sound of freeamp > better. You might want to check it out, it also > comes with some virtual > stomp boxes (chorus, reverb, distortion, delay, > phasor, and a few more.... > you'll find it at http://www.frettedsynth.com/ under > amp simulators. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 00:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569AD3BEDC; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 00:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aQFvMJ/PGRNyoDARcEoja/LMDRKRAENo/QRysWHI8JT053rdLjium77HJpBvruNATJHJBAHcV/MltD7lEFf7SRFxcekLM1rx4im7uXKOuSk9D9D/8ClIOKIaS+bcN5rCwlBJ1saRbO3pv7o53vAdz3MD4vvQ7tx/vs22ZGSAIJA= ; Message-ID: <20061104001435.33455.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:14:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: converting YourTube vids To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6ff45$812eebc0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 00:14:37 +0000 (UTC) installing firefox downloading youtube videos is a breeze i hear. cheers Luis --- rc_firth wrote: > > Re: converting YourTube vids > > I recently discovered a method for converting these > files: > > I already had a paid for registered copy of > Xilisofts 3GP Converter V 2.51; this inexpensive > software converts various video formats to 3GPP, > 3GPP2, Avi, DivX Avi, Mpeg 1,2 & 4 and .wav formats. > There are a wide range of custom parameters - you > can alter bitrate for both audio & video, framerate, > crop, target video size, choose from available > installed codecs etc. - the results are great and > the process simple. > > The viewed YourTube vid can be found by doing a > search for "get_video" on the PC. Locate and copy > this file to a suitable folder. Then import into > Xilisoft 3GP Converter; this file can be read and > previewed by the software even without a file > extension. Set the target video parameters and press > "Encode". The progress bar on the software initially > confuses because it seems to jump to 100% > straight-away; leave it, and in a short while it > displays a "Completed" message. I forget all the > stuff I learned about the DVD format but there's > bound to be one target vid format which you can then > use in your DVD authoring/burning software. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Ralph > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 01:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9583F3BEB6; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC 10 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:11:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20061103232825.46429.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) That is so lame I can't believe it, hey lets build a midi pedal with a 100ms latency, shame on yamaha. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC 10 Mine looked exactly like that one. --- William Walker wrote: > Are you talking about the latest version, as i seem > to recall earlier > versions with the same name that didn't have on > board expression pedal and > round switches like this one does . clarify please. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC 10 > > > I owned the MFC10 and I didn't have it long... I > thought it sucked. I can't remember all the reasons > why, but I seem to remember there was a long delay > from the time you pressed the button to the time it > sent the command. Too long for looping, that's for > sure. I also had the Roland... I can't remember why > I > got rid of that, but I do know that the one I ended > on > was the FCB1010. It may have quirks and > limitations, > but it seemed to work best out of anything under > $500. > That was a long time ago though, perhaps they've > improved them. > > --- William Walker wrote: > > > After having lived with the limitations and quirks > > of my behringer FCB1010 > > for several years now, i find myself longing for a > > new midi pedal to control > > my loopers with. I've narrowed it down to two > > possible contenders, the > > Yamaha MFC10, and the Roland FC200. what i like > > about both is the capability > > of having additonal CC pedals. what i don't know > is > > how rugged the Yamaha > > is. I'm leaning towards it ,as it is the more > > reasonably priced, and I like > > the yamaha expression pedals (FC7)better than the > > roland (EV5) which are > > also more reasonably priced, and seem a little > more > > substantial. thoughts > > anyone?? > > Thanks > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more > powerful email and get things > done faster. > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 11:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A7F3BED0; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:09:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? Thread-Index: AccAAbcW9fCI/Wv0EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Under Tiger on a Mac, yes aggregate device in Audio Midi setup. On a PC, there is a shareware utility called ASIO4ALL http://www.asio4all.com/ Which amongst other things, enables the use of two interfaces with one application Greg > Unless it is a mac. Then you can use aggregate device..... > > On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> But an application can only open >> one ASIO device at a time. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 11:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D373BED5; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAO8JTEXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACMSQEBAQgOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061104112305.01b71150@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:47:03 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4sMLEC.A.15F.V1HTFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) At 11:09 04/11/2006, you wrote: >Under Tiger on a Mac, yes aggregate device in Audio Midi setup. On a PC, >there is a shareware utility called ASIO4ALL > >http://www.asio4all.com/ > >Which amongst other things, enables the use of two interfaces with one >application > >Greg hmm, that's interesting The difficulty with using more than one interface is that it's hard to synchronize the sample rates. One way to solve this is to use sample rate conversion (like in Mac Core Audio), but the problem with this is that 1) Sample rate conversion is a compromise between quality, processor power, and latency. 2) Sound quality is always reduced to some extent, So if you're using a high quality device, then you might think twice about adding another interface to your system. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 15:06:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13E703BECD; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E2427C6-1D94-4723-8A8A-DA67174B76BB@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 09:06:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:06:19 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 4, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Greg Mills wrote: > On a PC, there is a shareware utility called ASIO4ALL... > Which amongst other things, enables the use of two interfaces with one > application There are some limitations with this. First, it does not appear to recognize every device. I have a system with an SB Live, a LynxOne, and a MOTU 828mkII firewire. The only one that shows up in the ASIO4ALL device list is the SB Live. This may be because the other devices already have ASIO drivers installed, but I uninstalled the MOTU drivers and that didn't seem to make a difference. But even if uninstalling the native drivers makes it work, you potentially lose features you were getting from the native drivers, such as the MOTU CueMix control panel which I find essential. Second, all the devices need to be synchronized from the same master clock, otherwise there will be jitter that can result in audible artifacts and drift. The usual way to do this is with word clock, but very few consumer audio devices support that. Supposedly you can accomplish something similar with S/PDIF, but again not all devices have S/PDIF connectors. I don't have any experience with it, but I would imagine that the Mac's aggregate device will do a better job of recognizing hardware. But I don't see how it can solve the master clock problem without a physical connection between the devices. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 15:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7B53BECD; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABM9TEXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMSQEBAQgOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061104151441.01b6ea70@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:20:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? In-Reply-To: <8E2427C6-1D94-4723-8A8A-DA67174B76BB@zonemobius.com> References: <8E2427C6-1D94-4723-8A8A-DA67174B76BB@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:18:51 +0000 (UTC) At 15:06 04/11/2006, you wrote: >I don't have any experience with it, but I would imagine that the Mac's >aggregate device will do a better job of recognizing hardware. But I >don't see how it can solve the master clock problem without >a physical connection between the devices. > >Jeff Sample rate conversion "solves" the problem. ...and I heard that the mac now uses sample rate conversion all the time to "synchronize" the sound card with applications. andy butler andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 15:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C16213BED3; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:21:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Guitar Rig 2 as looper or looper feed? Thread-Index: AccAJNxoGxebFGwYEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <8E2427C6-1D94-4723-8A8A-DA67174B76BB@zonemobius.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:21:15 +0000 (UTC) > There are some limitations with this. I'm sure there are the more you try and push it. I've only used it to help a friend use his built-in sound card along with a Remote 25 controller so he can have a cue output from Live. This worked very well but then we weren't asking very much from it :) Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 23:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 578253BECC; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hnYePkHN7rTV0Dmpx1h1aRMlzcS6SVakM/dnSa8MuoXDF4WyZPvwRbDNM+hhfzSomC00Pwo3p3LzemWrimudoyl1vrmcJS/+vfeHjEN7wB3Q1leKTsDKWtJ2P6c9J4NXm//J5+klN0RIc14lkRJH7PC92v0AtKIo2WRM3qiQxu0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:00:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:00:43 +0000 (UTC) On 30 okt 2006, at 19.54, Art Simon wrote: > I like Braindoc's free VST Pitch Shifter: > http://www.braindoc.de/english/vstEn.html Yes, they are great! Thanks for the heads up! I ended up using two such Pitch Shifters for a patch and it came out exactly as I had heard it in my mind. I also use the Brainidoc Stereo Delay, for another patch. Can't find any LFO's to drive parameter values from in Bidule, though. Guess I'll have to make those things with Max? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 23:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070983BEC5; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAECrTEXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBTIp9AgkOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:15:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:13:58 +0000 (UTC) At 23:00 04/11/2006, you wrote: >Yes, they are great! Thanks for the heads up! I ended up using two >such Pitch Shifters for a patch and it came out exactly as I had >heard it in my mind. I also use the Brainidoc Stereo Delay, for >another patch. Can't find any LFO's to drive parameter values from in >Bidule, though. Guess I'll have to make those things with Max? they're there somewhere, just keep looking. (don't remember where..sorry...but I have used them) I think you'll actually be able to do in Bidule anything you wanted to do in max. (as long as you have a few vst plugs as building blocks) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 23:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A5A3BECD; Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XyQwxtrBjILMTyfP3B/MI9ZlwGA0vemYHN3aJFro6Owvsx1gPcQQyYZmLL0MFLfgtM5P1wzYBxvEL3w9J8J2c8k9srgvdph2qnmyziElZsPha/MAKgRnJ9LrqRgXD3p5YMaQ6ObVegR5OkXyFe0AFT5xwSEoxCmptfznrX0BeDg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:49:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:50:03 +0000 (UTC) > At 23:00 04/11/2006, you wrote: >> Can't find any LFO's to drive parameter values from in >> Bidule, though. Guess I'll have to make those things with Max? > > they're there somewhere, > just keep looking. > (don't remember where..sorry...but I have used them) > > I think you'll actually be able to do in Bidule anything you wanted > to do in max. > (as long as you have a few vst plugs as building blocks) > > andy There is a "LFO" among the Groups. But there is no way to set a division between this LFO's speed and Bidules internal sync clock. That's bad. It's a little disappointing with Bidule that they have designed this internal tempo clock but no object for mathematical division of it. As a comparison you can look at the OSX host application Numerology where every parameter of any loaded AU plug-in is directly accessible as a target for the internal control data (Num still lacking random generator though). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 02:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B983BED8; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 02:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z2L4d2rq7dH598dVHxX0MoQvPRMCr30i65AvL1D5LuJRfN8a+c1tmw21ozgHTwUuoiZa+FC8iZJj0dJ3PbnGAwd+RzAh+OIb6pv1S7e7dvzIgFT1urdEmG8TWgwJkfBdtFeuB0uRZakIAhYg5ez7aKtWC+aGTG3XqvvAxVdMun8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:39:17 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 02:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, that's surprising. Maybe this is one thing Usine can do that Bidule can't. Usine has low level math modules that should make a division between the LFO speed and Usine's internal clock straightforward. I haven't tried it, I just looked it up in the manual. And hey--there' s another point in Usine's favor--It's got a good manual in .pdf form. I've got to say that the recent discussion on Bidule's audio switcher really intrigued me. Since Bidule has independent sync generators (with independent tempos) and since with the audio switcher the chains that aren't in use apparently don't bog the cpu down, it's seems to me like you could have one Bidule patch for an entire live show. Very, very cool. On 11/4/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > At 23:00 04/11/2006, you wrote: > >> Can't find any LFO's to drive parameter values from in > >> Bidule, though. Guess I'll have to make those things with Max? > > > > they're there somewhere, > > just keep looking. > > (don't remember where..sorry...but I have used them) > > > > I think you'll actually be able to do in Bidule anything you wanted > > to do in max. > > (as long as you have a few vst plugs as building blocks) > > > > andy > > > There is a "LFO" among the Groups. But there is no way to set a > division between this LFO's speed and Bidules internal sync clock. > That's bad. It's a little disappointing with Bidule that they have > designed this internal tempo clock but no object for mathematical > division of it. As a comparison you can look at the OSX host > application Numerology where every parameter of any loaded AU plug-in > is directly accessible as a target for the internal control data (Num > still lacking random generator though). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 11:36:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 641813BED5; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAtbTUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBTIp/AgkOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061105113621.01ad5c68@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:38:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:36:18 +0000 (UTC) At 23:49 04/11/2006, you wrote: >>I think you'll actually be able to do in Bidule anything you wanted >>to do in max. >>(as long as you have a few vst plugs as building blocks) >> >>andy > > >There is a "LFO" among the Groups. But there is no way to set a >division between this LFO's speed and Bidules internal sync clock. seems someone made a Bidule Group for this http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2003 I haven't tried it tho' andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 11:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE69F3BEE0; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l0Qi9o17+u/NAoztZEmnf+LjMN2bQJAYvBujnpUXdusOujaFMADCyaOIBjfdPMtY1PyTMYPplBpb4R2yzkA9SxaJTenKRDCfgrL2frxaoIFtS32hQ1NIt1a+Lx/7e0sIU1AmWHdDuDi+hyriXJUmmkgyjDwQryPsWJYSDqytFN8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:55:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:55:41 +0000 (UTC) On 5 nov 2006, at 03.39, Art Simon wrote: > I've got to say that the recent discussion on Bidule's audio switcher > really intrigued me. Since Bidule has independent sync generators > (with independent tempos) and since with the audio switcher the chains > that aren't in use apparently don't bog the cpu down, it's seems to me > like you could have one Bidule patch for an entire live show. Very, > very cool. Yes, you're right on the point here! I'm almost finished duplicating my most beloved tc electronic fireworx patches in Bidule by chaining up VST plug-ins. Not bad at all... I have so far made six multi effect patches and it seems as the muted chains do not put any restrain at all on the CPU ;-) Non sync processes are easy, as are straight synced processes too, but I have a problem in recreating synced patches that apply some division of the global tempo. A typical example is a ping-pong delay that bumps on eight notes with the expression pedal fully up and in slow triads when the pedal is down. When sweeping the pedal between these two "synced" postiion the delay length is changed continuously (or rather in 128 steps which is the resolution of MIDI). Another typical effect patch I can't do in Bidule is a long reverb run through a filter with the filter cutoff value jumping up and down in a synced 32 step sequencer hi hat pattern. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 12:01:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4646E3BED8; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LZlm07Zi013aE1pSJik8HZDnBvx95t/lXw8T3Eo70P85QaujyKYb+yv/Q6cxCtVUXrnDZWwYbWBstsFhtItAj16MCGXICswy+WbaGy12DCupnfeWAUorR/BJrAfxiqNIk+77m4i4a8a2DrHa7EC94UlSht9HXJDT/oWmtEZRKbE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Usine, Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:01:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:01:47 +0000 (UTC) On 5 nov 2006, at 03.39, Art Simon wrote: > Maybe this is one thing Usine can do that > Bidule can't. Usine has low level math modules that should make a > division between the LFO speed and Usine's internal clock > straightforward. I checked out Usine on the web. No OS specification given but when I downloaded the install packages it came down with loads of ".dll" files. I guess that means it's only available for Windows? If so, this restriction to me means a strong argument for Max/MSP. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 13:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E323BED0; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O4gr8Huc1EzPoHuwtiOhcXecOlBjghP6PbPspeoGABuJ5GtJA905R5d+mgYVLTyMt1XHQskhrn1CPPgAbHMKNbCV0K6pFdwioRsJetqM0KDFFqbzWoIDK6B5kqMcNxxwHWwimOTkEJJxq690Fz/akigPw0mfMFLcEC4Mh9LwQSY= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611050539r1848a1a1r6b1fcc6442c50179@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 05:40:00 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Usine, Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0611041839g8e1544dw3a393cf8ae715a4f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, Usine is windows only--sorry I should have mentioned that. On 11/5/06, Per Boysen wrote: > I checked out Usine on the web. No OS specification given but when I > downloaded the install packages it came down with loads of ".dll" > files. I guess that means it's only available for Windows? If so, > this restriction to me means a strong argument for Max/MSP. > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From gtbrk@kenwood.com.gr Sun Nov 5 17:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:29:31 UTC Received: from ekq34.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (ekq34.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.15.124.34]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E2F503BECC for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 83.15.145.234 ([83.15.145.234]) by ekq34.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id kA5Hb7Gx024122; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:37:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:29:32 +0100 From: Pen Tapia To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: jet propulsion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0E9B853EA79" X-Antivirus: avast! 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charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Bidule crashes - hunting The Bug Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:11:09 +0100 To: zonemobius@yahoogroups.com, Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm having nasty crashes all the time with my latest Bidule, a seven alternative patches rig also hosting Mobius VST. Luckily the backup version before that one was rock solid, so I only have to go back and keep re-building from there. Anyway, please post if you have experienced anything that can help to nail what is causing this. Here's my data: - Latest Bidule version under Windows XP - CPU meter in Bidule never higher than 60 percent. - Seven parallel effect chains; all but the active muted (see picture for actual plug-ins used). - Playing though one active patch into Mobius 1.29 looper (other patches are then auto-muted). - Crashes happen in all patches, not only the latest added, when MIDI cc 27 is sent into the laptop. Picture at http://www.looproom.com/bidule7patch_pboy.JPG. If you see something fishy in my Bidule wirings I'd like to hear about it. My backup copy with the five first chains never crashes even though I go wild with that cc 27 pedal. Maybe the problem was introduced with the VST plug-in Psycho-PHaser? It's by Braindoc that also developed the Stereo Delay and the Pitch Shifter which are running flawlessly in my five-patch-chain version of this rig. I deleted the seventh patch chain including Psycho-Phaser, but still had the crashes. Strange. Any ideas? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFC53BEDE; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20061103000348.55556.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:30:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:11:46 +0000 (UTC) At 6:23 AM -0700 11/3/06, Doug Wellington wrote: >Previously: >>I still love my Repeater, but now that the LP-1 has its Aux Outs >>up-&-running, I've been using an external pitch-shift unit to obtain >>similar -- yet no less interesting -- results. > >Yes, I've been using a GTR 4000 with mine, so I'm pretty spoiled. Yeah, the LP-1 is so versatile (I'm plugging it in and out from so many of my different little "mini-setups") that I just put it in its own 3-space rack with dedicated mixer and effect unit. I opted for strapping an Akira to the LP-1, because that was one of the most versatile "off-the-wall" units I had around. Darn it all, I'm still a couple weeks away from getting back home, and you guys are really making me miss the little bugger.... ;) --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From nzj@kohnkehanneken.com Mon Nov 6 17:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:01:09 UTC Received: from 11587.unitednetworx.com (11587.unitednetworx.com [83.228.115.87]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EF9333BED5 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9011 invoked from network); Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:10:31 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO 83.228.138.45) (83.228.138.45) by 11587.unitednetworx.com with SMTP; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:10:31 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:01:09 +0200 From: Beatrice Santana To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: infidel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="6329EA01B617AEEEB20C695" --6329EA01B617AEEEB20C695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Just like a PDF bound to Preview, or a JPEG associated with GraphicConverter. I've changed thepath to the script and now it complains that the script is not there butstill forceably exits after failing to execute the original script.
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Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:00:38 -0500 Subject: Gig Spam: Todd Reynolds loopin' his little heart out in Sacramento From: Todd Reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Gig Spam: Todd Reynolds loopin' his little heart out in Sacramento Thread-Index: AccBxRU/U7NnwG24EdumFAAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245659282_5350081" Resent-Message-ID: <74sMJC.A.5bG.lp2TFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:01:26 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245659282_5350081 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all. My apologies for always forgetting to post to the list til the last minute. I=B9ll be presenting a little concert at Sacramento State on Tuesday night, (tomorrow). It=B9s the =B3classical avant-garde music infused with everything but the kitchen sink=B2 looping thang. Mostly my own music, a few covers. Don=B9t know who=B9s close, who ain=B9t, but would love to see anyone from the list most certainly. I=B9ll be doing all Ableton Live and SooperLooper, with Jitter-driven live video animation by Luke DuBois, and two pieces with film by Bill Morrison. Anyone who is further interested, please contact me for more specific directions if need be, or for links to concert content. For now, visit the link below to see more about the Festival of New American Music, of which I=B9ll be a part. Today is education day where I get to teach college kids about what we all do, though more and more =8Ckids=B9 that I encounter already are doing it, thankfully. http://www.csus.edu/music/fenam/index.htm =3D Festival of New American Music I send you all my very best, Todd Reynolds http://toddreynolds.com --B_3245659282_5350081 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gig Spam:  Todd Reynolds loopin' his little heart out in Sacram= ento Hey all.  My apologies for always forgetting to post to the l= ist til the last minute.

I’ll be presenting a little concert at Sacramento State on Tuesday ni= ght, (tomorrow).  It’s the “classical avant-garde music inf= used with everything but the kitchen sink” looping thang.  Mostly= my own music, a few covers.  Don’t know who’s close, who a= in’t, but would love to see anyone from the list most certainly.

I’ll be doing all Ableton Live and SooperLooper, with Jitter-driven l= ive video animation by Luke DuBois, and two pieces with film by Bill Morriso= n.

Anyone who is further interested, please contact me for more specific direc= tions if need be, or for links to concert content.  For now, visit the = link below to see more about the Festival of New American Music, of which I&= #8217;ll be a part.  Today is education day where I get to teach colleg= e kids about what we all do, though more and more ‘kids’ that I = encounter already are doing it, thankfully.   

http://www.csus.edu/mus= ic/fenam/index.htm    =3D   Festival of New Ameri= can Music

I send you all my very best,

Todd Reynolds
http://toddreynolds.com



 --B_3245659282_5350081-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 02:08:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827873BEDD; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 02:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v6uqG4rn1l58MB8i8/+MwNZ+KMpCkEus582sSJ51vN0aH8fkMyuanutXIXRBvBOiq2vsZeQ5CHchnFN0luJ6xKkzsZq7FKrlA3Ezh51EGRE9NrXKf4o8I/h6Cxq5Nja3HJhKEzU9dM3LqdKKZvkyff1LqvlCfed1Scqb9W9u/3s= ; Message-ID: <20061107020855.45856.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Dyson Subject: FS: korg AM8000R, rc-20xl, rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061106161147.8E5A63BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 02:08:56 +0000 (UTC) apologies for taking up the bandwidth for sale: korg AM8000R, rc-20xl, rc-20 http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZnefarious_intentQQhtZ-1 thanks Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 04:57:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06773BEE9; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20061107020855.45856.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061107020855.45856.qmail@web53308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:57:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Attention Software loopers.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120dd2c53e9973c7f57b6c075c0b13e962e508b0b538eb13c3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.120.11.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Take a look at this incredible piece of hardware... http://www.piengineering.com/custom/xkmatrix.php It is only $59 and will accept up to 128 switch inputs. Using the same proven hardware as the X-keys Programmable Keyboards, the X-keys Matrix Boards connect to the computer through a standard PS/2 or USB port. Your custom switches or keys connect to the board via a standard two row header with 0.1'' pin spacing. Programming is done with a standard keyboard and memorized commands are fed to your computer as if they were coming from a standard keyboard. Any sequence or combination of keystrokes may be assigned to any of the 96 (PS/2) or 128 (USB) possible switches in the matrix. Any switch, even toggle and rotary switches, can be connected to the matrix. Programming and reprogramming the switches is simple and fast. The X-keys stores scan codes in its internal memory -- it can be programmed on one computer and moved to another with its programming intact. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 14:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865E73BEDC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:38:13 +0200 Subject: OT: audio to midi converter From: jayrope To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:33:53 +0000 (UTC) hello all, i am trying to find an audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, which is tuned down almost into the bass range (starting at F1 - highest notes around F5) for this project http://txp.kliklak.net/artist/scenic-panner which has music controlling a panning image display. we currently use midingsolo, linux based software audio 2 midi ttp://home.gna.org/midingsolo/ but there's loads of issues in correct pitch recognition, not to speak of something like a polyphone version of this. can anyone recommend stanalone units or other softwares, preferrably for the linux or window platform. muchas gracias! jayrope -- kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 15:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BC493BEE0; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <32cd2f84ab5e5fd9587de8824b112ae9@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: audio to midi converter Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 07:39:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Well, A very loooooong time ago I had a Roland CP-40 that worked pretty doggone well (as I recall). They were rare enough to begin with though. I can only imagine how hard it would be to find one theses days. I'm sure there are other devices as well. I just can't think of them. Best regards, Ted Killian On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:38 AM, jayrope wrote: > hello all, > > i am trying to find an audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, > which > is tuned down almost into the bass range (starting at F1 - highest > notes > around F5) for this project http://txp.kliklak.net/artist/scenic-panner > which has music controlling a panning image display. > > we currently use midingsolo, linux based software audio 2 midi > ttp://home.gna.org/midingsolo/ but there's loads of issues in correct > pitch recognition, not to speak ofsomething like a polyphone version > of this. > > can anyone recommend stanalone units or other softwares, preferrably > for the > linux or window platform. > > muchas gracias! > jayrope > -- > kliklak.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 17:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A7FA3BEE2; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mdi1z9VfjIWGy/Gjgn9hSt4zQMWxTrEUvrAgMqBhzQM5MSW/rm4sUgtvU6vR1mzOvTjTdk5PhJ0Um3a/ZStLUCBaggF9zoQ8ri4KHjOeTgKA/f4hFF/MnrmzErKqy08MBgbU9EqA/p5dW5QFMH12Csr1NSv/SdhmsefHbxaI9k0= ; Message-ID: <20061107170927.27337.qmail@web80710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Subject: Re: OT: audio to midi converter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-54655695-1162919367=:23169" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:09:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-54655695-1162919367=:23169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit you're probably so much more than on top of this already, but FWIW using a compressor/limiter/gate before the device, and tweaking around with it until it's maximized, made a huge difference on how well a now long gone fairlight voicetracker worked with guitar, voice, etc to midi. That was only mono,but pretty sure this would help any pitch to midi conversion process. glenn jayrope wrote: hello all, i am trying to find an audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, which is tuned down almost into the bass range (starting at F1 - highest notes around F5) for this project http://txp.kliklak.net/artist/scenic-panner which has music controlling a panning image display. we currently use midingsolo, linux based software audio 2 midi ttp://home.gna.org/midingsolo/ but there's loads of issues in correct pitch recognition, not to speak of something like a polyphone version of this. can anyone recommend stanalone units or other softwares, preferrably for the linux or window platform. muchas gracias! jayrope -- kliklak.net --0-54655695-1162919367=:23169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
you're probably so much more than on top of this already, but FWIW using a compressor/limiter/gate before the device, and tweaking around with it until it's maximized, made a huge difference on how well a now long gone fairlight voicetracker worked with guitar, voice, etc to midi. That was only mono,but pretty sure this would help any pitch to midi conversion process.
 
glenn
jayrope <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
hello all,

i am trying to find an audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, which
is tuned down almost into the bass range (starting at F1 - highest notes
around F5)
for this project
http://txp.kliklak.net/artist/scenic-panner
which has music controlling a panning image display.

we currently use midingsolo, linux based software audio 2 midi
ttp://home.gna.org/midingsolo/
but there's loads of issues in correct pitch recognition, not to speak of
something like a polyphone version of this.

can anyone recommend stanalone units or other softwares, preferrably for the
linux or window platform.

muchas gracias!
jayrope
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--0-54655695-1162919367=:23169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 17:16:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5013BEE0; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Attention Software loopers.... Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:17:07 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BB66@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Attention Software loopers.... thread-index: AccCKUxzv7AtXEA5RKes5oH4TPKRWQAX7rwg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]=20 > Take a look at this incredible piece of hardware... Yes I've seen this, it looks really cool. One of my side projects is trying to build the cheapest possible USB foot controller with easily available parts. The problem I have is that all the circuit boards I can find are at least $50, and by the time you add a case and some switches you're in the $100 range which is close to the cost of an FCB1010 only not nearly as rugged and without MIDI and continuous controller pedals. That may still be attractive to some, but I was hoping to go even lower. A lot of music software is able to associate commands with arbitrary keys, you don't always need a programmable footswitch. Ideally we should be able to get a $15 USB keyboard, rip the guts out and solder switches to the "board". The problem here is that keyboards don't use easily hackable circuit boards any more, they use membrane switches and a controller chip=20 mounted on the same membrane with very small leads. It is possible to hack but you would have to have good soldering skills. Anyway, if anyone is interested in discussing this feel free to contact me off list. If we could design an under $50 USB footswitch, there are a lot of bedroom...er, make that "home studio"...musicians that don't really need an FCB1010 that might be interested in it. Then again, maybe a $100 device using the PI board but 1/4 the size of the FCB would be interesting too. Jeff From security@paypal.com Tue Nov 7 18:46:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 11640 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:46:18 UTC Received: from ms.masimoto.com (220-130-86-21.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.130.86.21]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BE3BEE4 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([80.96.102.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by ms.masimoto.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id kA7FRPXC004485; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:27:28 +0800 Message-Id: <200611071527.kA7FRPXC004485@ms.masimoto.com> From: "security@paypal.com" Subject: Updates Acount - Please update your records Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:27:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:;


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 21:30:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060AD3BEF4; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:30:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0112_01C70279.36655F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:30:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C70279.36655F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a = bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is similar to = the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to = match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few pros: = it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. = It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop = saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to = it to control the functions. A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button while = the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub mode). The = problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the loop play for a = few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop. You can = apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external = switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not = sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if = anyone has any other questions. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C70279.36655F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they = are=20 shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic = busking=20 gigs.  It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built = into=20 the single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of the=20 RC-20.  A few pros: it has undo!  It's small and a perfect = match for=20 the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, = including=20 auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other = Boss foot=20 switches to it to control the functions.
 
A con: Two delete a loop, you have to = press and=20 hold the button while the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not = in=20 overdub mode). The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear = the loop=20 play for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop.  = You can=20 apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external = switches, but=20 you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not sure if it plays = the=20 loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if anyone has any other = questions.
 
Kris
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C70279.36655F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 21:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44FB13BEFC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4166576a895bc1a4dda24d0d629f4a5d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:40:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:40:54 +0000 (UTC) We have these in stock at the store I teach at, Instrumental Music in =20= Ventura, CA....if anyone wants to try them out. A guy I was talking to =20= just bought one, and brought it back and upgraded the RC-20 because of =20= the limits of one button..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 7, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a =20= > bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs.=A0 It is similar = =20 > to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button =20= > to match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20.=A0 A few =20= > pros: it has undo!=A0 It's small and a perfect match for the Roland =20= > Microcube.=A0It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto =20= > record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss =20= > foot switches to it to control the functions. > =A0 > A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button while =20= > the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub mode). =20= > The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the loop play =20= > for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop.=A0 You = can =20 > apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external =20 > switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not =20= > sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual =20= > if anyone has any other questions. > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0 > = ***********************************************************************=20= > *** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: =20 > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 21:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80513BF01; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061107164149.fogoypk4l05twkcg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:41:49 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:42:00 +0000 (UTC) What are these guys thinking?? What's so hard about deleting the loop =20 without being audible? Augh!! ~peace~ Plish Quoting Krispen Hartung : > I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not =20 > a bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is =20 > similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the =20 > single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of the =20 > RC-20. A few pros: it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for =20 > the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, =20 > including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can =20 > hook other Boss foot switches to it to control the functions. > > A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button =20 > while the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub =20 > mode). The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the =20 > loop play for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the =20 > loop. You can apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of =20 > these external switches, but you still have to press and hold the =20 > button..so I'm not sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or =20 > not. I have the manual if anyone has any other questions. > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: =20 > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 22:20:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C683BEF7; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455106B2.2060809@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:20:34 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020907030206080009070204" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:20:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020907030206080009070204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for the review, Krispen. Does it have: sound-on-sound, reverse, any pitch-shifting, or simultaneous loops? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a > bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is similar > to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button > to match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few > pros: it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland > Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto > record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss > foot switches to it to control the functions. --------------020907030206080009070204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for the review, Krispen. Does it have: sound-on-sound, reverse, any pitch-shifting, or simultaneous loops?

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs.  It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20.  A few pros: it has undo!  It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to it to control the functions.

--------------020907030206080009070204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 23:21:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360083BEF1; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014a01c702c3$7f87e840$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <455106B2.2060809@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:21:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0147_01C70288.D2456700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:21:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C70288.D2456700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't that be nice...a dream the size of a stomp box...maybe in the = next decade of technological miniaturization we'll get this sort of = functionality in the same size...would be cool to program a stomp-box = sized looper via the computer, and then take it along with nothing but a = MIDI controller. I'm waiting for MAX/MSP for Palm Computers. But I = digress... It does not have reverse, pitch shifting, or simultaneous loop, but for = $179 I bought it primarily for really basic looping gigs, like if I have = to play a traditional jazz solo gig at a party or event and all I feel = like bringing is my combo amp. Although, it would be cool to have two of = these things side by side for some asynchronous looping.=20 I just did some more experimentation, and what you can do to delete a = loop from memory without having to hear the first few seconds of it, is = to press the button twice while the loop is playing (which stops the = loop), but continue holding down the button on the second press. That = will delete the loop permanently. But there is still no way to silently = delete the loop, with your foot, while the loop is stopped. Another way = would be to turn the phrase selection knob to another memory space.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine thanks for the review, Krispen. Does it have: sound-on-sound, reverse, = any pitch-shifting, or simultaneous loops? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not = a bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is similar = to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to = match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few pros: = it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. = It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop = saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to = it to control the functions. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C70288.D2456700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wouldn't that be nice...a dream the = size of a stomp=20 box...maybe in the next decade of technological = miniaturization we'll get=20 this sort of functionality in the same size...would be cool to program a = stomp-box sized looper via the computer, and then take it along with = nothing but=20 a MIDI controller. I'm waiting for MAX/MSP for Palm Computers. But I=20 digress...
 
It does not have reverse, pitch = shifting, or=20 simultaneous loop, but for $179 I bought it primarily for really basic = looping=20 gigs, like if I have to play a traditional jazz solo gig at a party or = event and=20 all I feel like bringing is my combo amp. Although, it would be cool to = have two=20 of these things side by side for some asynchronous looping. =
 
I just did some more experimentation, = and what you=20 can do to delete a loop from memory without having to hear the first few = seconds=20 of it, is to press the button twice while the loop is playing (which = stops the=20 loop), but continue holding down the button on the second press. That = will=20 delete the loop permanently. But there is still no way to silently = delete the=20 loop, with your foot, while the loop is stopped. Another way would be to = turn=20 the phrase selection knob to another memory space.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, = 2006 3:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping = Now...Just Recieved Mine

thanks for the review, Krispen. Does it have: = sound-on-sound,=20 reverse, any pitch-shifting, or simultaneous loops?

Daryl = Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as = they are=20 shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic = busking=20 gigs.  It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality = built=20 into the single button to match what can be done with the two = buttons of the=20 RC-20.  A few pros: it has undo!  It's small and a perfect = match=20 for the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the = RC-20,=20 including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can = hook=20 other Boss foot switches to it to control the=20 functions.

------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C70288.D2456700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 23:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55653BF07; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=c5MyTvuLapnYGeOg6ZQj6s0lsgmcxkWp8fM/c+sg61jy+lExFP99CscIYRZP9cSYafTTqHvxE1HqwLdc1k57D+1OsRJ5vJTl83FH7gEI7k0KafprgfX/AMS3Dcgy5TrHhxSsk778ySbqpWKO3i4LFHgtUArb9a6MKkkYfhPLL9A= Message-ID: <9e0440a60611071522u78419f6bq8a9674740fb7e92d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:22:03 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Southern CA venues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5580_28108358.1162941723047" Resent-Message-ID: <-MI8cC.A.XGH.cURUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:22:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5580_28108358.1162941723047 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello. I'm new to this list, got involved with it just before the great Kyberloopfest which I got to be involved in. My name is Jim Goodin and I"m a composer/guitarist based in Brooklyn, NY. I do a range of music from solo acoustic to a bit more abstract hence the draw to this community. I've noticed that several on this list are based in CA so I wanted to bounce an email fishing for performance leads in mainly southern CA but even further north as I've been pitching that direction lately. I'm coming to CA in January for the NAMM show (I'm a GHS Strings and Godin/Seagull endorser) in Anaheim. I've got one clinic performance scheduled (date TBA) at the Sam Ash in Puente Hills but am still seeking a couple of other gig possibilities. Places I've pitched have been Fret House, Genghis Cohen, Coffee Gallery Backstage (played there last year), house concert hosts from San Diego to Monterey, Acoustic Expressions in SD, Dizzy's in SD. I'm looking for a range from coffee bar worse case or if good room like the Backstage in Altadena to more experimental turf. I've played in the LA-area now a dozen times on various NAMM shows but clearly an "unknown commodity". So any recommended good rooms? Do most places in your areas want complete kits or is that overkill? In Ny it ranges but many just want a disc. Thanks for all. If anyone is coming to NY I can certainly be a source. For more on me visit http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com and on My Space http://www.myspace.com/JimGoodinMusic. Cheers and thanks Jim Goodin -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_5580_28108358.1162941723047 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello.  I'm new to this list, got involved with it just before the great Kyberloopfest which I got to be involved in.  My name is Jim Goodin and I"m a composer/guitarist based in Brooklyn, NY.  I do a range of music from solo acoustic to a bit more abstract hence the draw to this community.
 
I've noticed that several on this list are based in CA so I wanted to bounce an email fishing for performance leads in mainly southern CA but even further north as I've been pitching that direction lately.  I'm coming to CA in January for the NAMM show (I'm a GHS Strings and Godin/Seagull endorser) in Anaheim.  I've got one clinic performance scheduled (date TBA) at the Sam Ash in Puente Hills but am still seeking a couple of other gig possibilities.
 
Places I've pitched have been Fret House, Genghis Cohen, Coffee Gallery Backstage (played there last year), house concert hosts from San Diego to Monterey, Acoustic Expressions in SD, Dizzy's in SD.  I'm looking for a range from coffee bar worse case or if good room like the Backstage in Altadena to more experimental turf.  I've played in the LA-area now a dozen times on various NAMM shows but clearly an "unknown commodity".
 
So any recommended good rooms?  Do most places in your areas want complete kits or is that overkill?  In Ny it ranges but many just want a disc.
 
Thanks for all.  If anyone is coming to NY I can certainly be a source.
 
 
Cheers and thanks
 
Jim Goodin
--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_5580_28108358.1162941723047-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 01:03:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A903BEE8; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00a301c702d1$b5363ec0$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccCw4GgbTdJvnD5TR6Zh5ADvCqrvQADaCdg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <014a01c702c3$7f87e840$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <_IInMB.A.4PD.lzSUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:03:33 +0000 (UTC) I also don't think (from skimming the manual) you can set up any kind of fade on a loop- there is no way to hook up an exp pedal to just fade the loop unless you use a mixer. It seems really geared towards 'play 3 chords and repeat' jam-along looping rather than live manipulation of the loop. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > > Wouldn't that be nice...a dream the size of a stomp > box...maybe in the next decade of technological > miniaturization we'll get this sort of functionality in the > same size...would be cool to program a stomp-box sized looper > via the computer, and then take it along with nothing but a > MIDI controller. I'm waiting for MAX/MSP for Palm Computers. > But I digress... > > It does not have reverse, pitch shifting, or simultaneous > loop, but for $179 I bought it primarily for really basic > looping gigs, like if I have to play a traditional jazz solo > gig at a party or event and all I feel like bringing is my > combo amp. Although, it would be cool to have two of these > things side by side for some asynchronous looping. > > I just did some more experimentation, and what you can do to > delete a loop from memory without having to hear the first > few seconds of it, is to press the button twice while the > loop is playing (which stops the loop), but continue holding > down the button on the second press. That will delete the > loop permanently. But there is still no way to silently > delete the loop, with your foot, while the loop is stopped. > Another way would be to turn the phrase selection knob to > another memory space. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daryl Shawn > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > > thanks for the review, Krispen. Does it have: > sound-on-sound, reverse, any pitch-shifting, or simultaneous loops? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are > shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or > basic busking gigs. It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more > functionality built into the single button to match what can > be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few pros: it > has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland > Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, > including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. > You can hook other Boss foot switches to it to control the functions. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 01:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C164E3BEF1; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C702AA.B5E63F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:25:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C702AA.B5E63F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been thinking more and more that that little guy could have a niche = in my rig - primarily for use while traveling. I picked up a Travelers = Guitar and a Zoom PS04 to use while on the road. However, I realized I = still need a looper of some sort. The configuration of the traveler's = rig is still TBD but the RC-2 is looking more interesting... Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a = bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is similar to = the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to = match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few pros: = it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. = It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop = saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to = it to control the functions. A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button while = the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub mode). The = problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the loop play for a = few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop. You can = apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external = switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not = sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if = anyone has any other questions. Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C702AA.B5E63F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been thinking more and more that = that little=20 guy could have a niche in my rig - primarily for use while traveling. I = picked=20 up a Travelers Guitar and a Zoom PS04 to use while on the road. However, = I=20 realized I still need a looper of some sort. The configuration of the = traveler's=20 rig is still TBD but the RC-2 is looking more = interesting...
 
Paul
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, = 2006 4:30=20 PM
Subject: Boss RC-2 Shipping = Now...Just=20 Recieved Mine

I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as = they are=20 shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic = busking=20 gigs.  It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality = built into=20 the single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of = the=20 RC-20.  A few pros: it has undo!  It's small and a perfect = match for=20 the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, = including=20 auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other = Boss foot=20 switches to it to control the functions.
 
A con: Two delete a loop, you have to = press and=20 hold the button while the looped is stopped or while it is playing = (not in=20 overdub mode). The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear = the loop=20 play for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the = loop.  You=20 can apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external = switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not = sure if=20 it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if = anyone has=20 any other questions.
 
Kris
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C702AA.B5E63F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 03:14:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB503BEF5; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01fa01c702e4$01123d00$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00a301c702d1$b5363ec0$0202fea9@mincer> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:14:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 03:14:32 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > It seems really geared towards 'play 3 chords > and repeat' jam-along looping rather than live manipulation of the loop. Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get your point. It ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But if I had to play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig with the RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop enough interesting material on that little red baby to do all sorts of bizarre stuff. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 04:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97D33BEF1; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping show in Raleigh NC, 9 November Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <_YNguD.A.apB._eVUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Thursday night in Raleigh NC at Bickett Gallery http://www.bickettgallery.com/ is a night of AV oddness: Details below. * Matterlink (France) http://www.vampler.net/matterlink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC903dNsYpc * Elmapi (France) http://www.myspace.com/elmapi * Projexorcism (Hickory NC) http://www.multiultramedia.com/projexorcism.htm I'll be playing looped and effected Chapman Stick with the group Projexorcism. I expect the show should start about 9pm, and there's probably a cover charge of $5 or so. Art on the walls, full bar (selection ok on beer, good on wine, solid on liquor), free wireless Internet, audiovideo weirdness. Arriving in the United States to perform at Washington, D.C.'s Sonic Circuits Festival Elmapi and Matterlink will trickle down the coast for the remainder of October and November on tour. Elmapi plays electronica and sings to a mix of found and synthetic sounds. She has integrated quite a bit of video elements into her set, that she shot and edited. Her 2nd album she will be touring on is being produced by Andy Moor of the legendary Holland band The EX... Matterlink is a sort of "performed cinema", sampling live from hundreds of audio video fragments, both shot and found. Usually he performs one developing peice, weaving phrases and song in and out of sound and image tornados. It's a very live and raw show and he claims to be pretty excited about where it's going, and where it might go for other vamplers (video samplers). Along with Lex Everheart, Matterlink co-created a website dedicated to the cause: http://www.vampler.net where there is also a full description of what Matterlink does, as well as some video. Projexorcism uses four 16mm film projectors with fresnel lenses all hung on a frame, mechanically mixing video samples by brute force. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 04:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114C23BEEA; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:46:01 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: OT: audio to midi converter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45516109.6030108@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 04:46:25 +0000 (UTC) >> audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, which is tuned down almost into the bass range The default setting for the Axon AX-100 MKII tracks based on the pick transient rather than the frequency, which reduces the delay usually associated with pitch-to-voltage conversion of low notes. It works with standard 6-string Roland 13-pin pickups and cables and allows the guitar signal to go through the same cable. I won't even begin to describe the flexibility of this unit - suffice to say it's probably the most sophisticated unit out there - and not terribly expensive. I have the older unit and am pleased (although I'm in standard tuning). The built-in sounds are standard General MIDI and pretty ho-hum, but even with external modules or soft synths, it tracks the same as with the internal sounds. Here's a link to the Terratec site http://audioen.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1 There's quite a bit of information on the Yahoo Groups site in the midiguitar forum (http://groups.yahoo.com/). You'll need to join the group to view the discussion. A great resource for midi guitarists of all stripes. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 05:10:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0762F3BEF5; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 05:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:10:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00d701c702f4$3f7ed160$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccC5AMH+4l66YJjRHSN1XCDNMvWlgAD+HtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <01fa01c702e4$01123d00$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 05:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an abrupt end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can slowly fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get your point. It > ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But if I had to > play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig with the > RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop enough > interesting material on that little red baby to do all sorts > of bizarre stuff. > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 05:34:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA923BEEC; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 05:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027101c702f7$8da24c70$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d701c702f4$3f7ed160$0202fea9@mincer> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:34:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 05:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps one could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a rubber belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the gear shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an > abrupt > end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can slowly > fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the > sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >> > >> Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get your point. It >> ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But if I had to >> play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig with the >> RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop enough >> interesting material on that little red baby to do all sorts >> of bizarre stuff. >> >> Kris >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 06:03:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E19A3BEEC; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: audio to midi converter Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:03:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <45516109.6030108@Verizon.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Does the axiom have any kind of built in programable arpeggiater? Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dan Ash [mailto:Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: OT: audio to midi converter >> audio to midi hardware convertor for a guitar, which is tuned down almost into the bass range The default setting for the Axon AX-100 MKII tracks based on the pick transient rather than the frequency, which reduces the delay usually associated with pitch-to-voltage conversion of low notes. It works with standard 6-string Roland 13-pin pickups and cables and allows the guitar signal to go through the same cable. I won't even begin to describe the flexibility of this unit - suffice to say it's probably the most sophisticated unit out there - and not terribly expensive. I have the older unit and am pleased (although I'm in standard tuning). The built-in sounds are standard General MIDI and pretty ho-hum, but even with external modules or soft synths, it tracks the same as with the internal sounds. Here's a link to the Terratec site http://audioen.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&si d=1 There's quite a bit of information on the Yahoo Groups site in the midiguitar forum (http://groups.yahoo.com/). You'll need to join the group to view the discussion. A great resource for midi guitarists of all stripes. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 09:05:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C2EB3BEF7; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEosUUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACMSgEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061108090402.01ad1788@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:07:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine In-Reply-To: <027101c702f7$8da24c70$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00d701c702f4$3f7ed160$0202fea9@mincer> <027101c702f7$8da24c70$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:05:58 +0000 (UTC) >Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and >turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps >one could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a >rubber belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the >gear shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > >kris Electro Harmonics actually did do that, more or less, A pedal with a long spring attached to a clip that fitted on the pot shaft. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 09:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9F53BEF8; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "gab" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:23:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c70317$9e87cea0$2401a8c0@mahavishnu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061108090402.01ad1788@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccDFR9wgakmX2+TRoWsKvG5Jrp3owAAlqCw X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:23:58 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 08 November, 2006 10:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine >Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and >turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps >one could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a >rubber belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the >gear shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > >kris Electro Harmonics actually did do that, more or less, A pedal with a long spring attached to a clip that fitted on the pot shaft. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 12:17:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE253BEE8; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:21:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-reply-to: <17333601.1162334818833.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4551CBB0.1050306@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <8390393.1162267670278.JavaMail.root@m23> <4546017D.9080509@soundscapes.us> <17333601.1162334818833.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:17:01 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > I really think Nick got hold of a defective unit (is this the same > Nick from the Different Skies list?). Yes, he is. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 16:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158583BEEC; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANCOUUXa1K7ydGdsb2JhbACCcoRHDoUEAQ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:03:36 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hcDzmoA2dZ89253QabADZw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:04:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_hcDzmoA2dZ89253QabADZw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Krispen, I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with the rest of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping. Tanx for notifying us about your acquisition of the RC2.Although I've been very fond of the idea of acquiring an Echoplex the cost and lack of local aftersales service makes it a diffult choice. I was excited about the Digitech Jam man but was dissapointed with the eventual layout and whatnot despite the massive memory capacity. I wrote to Digitech and asked if they'd consider a Pro version and their reply was kinda coy so maybe who knows ya. :) If the genius behind the great Plex could somewhat revise his designs to incorporate the use of large memories available at much lower costs these days I'm sure I'll be in the qeue with many of you guys. :) Currently I'm a happy RC50 user at the moment and the machine has been somwhat of a long time looper dream come true for me. I do find the lack of feedback and multiplier function a strange non inclusion and suspec Boss was aiming for the mass "Karaoke" guitarists out there. Hehe. I am very interested to see if the much luggage friendly looking RC2 can fit my needs for smaller solo gigs which I currently use the DL4 and DD20 for. One question I have is based on the strange procedure you experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external foot switch to delete instead? Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind attention. Regards Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:30 AM Subject: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs. It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20. A few pros: it has undo! It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to it to control the functions. A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button while the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub mode). The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the loop play for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop. You can apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if anyone has any other questions. Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --Boundary_(ID_hcDzmoA2dZ89253QabADZw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Krispen,
I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with the rest of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping.
 
Tanx for notifying us about your acquisition of the RC2.Although I've been very fond of the idea of acquiring an Echoplex the cost and lack of local aftersales service makes it a diffult choice. I was excited about the Digitech Jam man but was dissapointed with the eventual layout and whatnot despite the massive memory capacity. I wrote to Digitech and asked if they'd consider a Pro version and their reply was kinda coy so maybe who knows ya. :) If the genius behind the great Plex could somewhat revise his designs to incorporate the use of large memories available at much lower costs these days I'm sure I'll be in the qeue with many of you guys. :)
 
Currently I'm a happy RC50 user at the moment and the machine has been somwhat of a long time looper dream come true for me. I do find the lack of feedback and multiplier function a strange non inclusion and suspec Boss was aiming for the mass "Karaoke" guitarists out there. Hehe.
 
I am very interested to see if the much luggage friendly looking RC2 can fit my needs for smaller solo gigs which I currently use the DL4 and DD20 for. One question I have is based on the strange procedure you experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external foot switch to delete instead?
 
Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind attention.
 
Regards
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:30 AM
Subject: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine

I just got my Boss RC-2 looper, as they are shipping them now...not a bad little device for a backup or basic busking gigs.  It is similar to the Boss RC-2, but more functionality built into the single button to match what can be done with the two buttons of the RC-20.  A few pros: it has undo!  It's small and a perfect match for the Roland Microcube. It has most of the features of the RC-20, including auto record, loop saving, one shot playback, etc. You can hook other Boss foot switches to it to control the functions.
 
A con: Two delete a loop, you have to press and hold the button while the looped is stopped or while it is playing (not in overdub mode). The problem is that if it is stopped, you have to hear the loop play for a few seconds before the press and hold deletes the loop.  You can apparently clear the loop out of memory with one of these external switches, but you still have to press and hold the button..so I'm not sure if it plays the loop for a few seconds or not. I have the manual if anyone has any other questions.
 
Kris
 
 
**************************************************************************
Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
--Boundary_(ID_hcDzmoA2dZ89253QabADZw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 16:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22AE3BEF5; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> In-Reply-To: <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000007080406060405090605" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <_Xfv0C.A.JZF.CCgUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000007080406060405090605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far. I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it along. --Josh --------------000007080406060405090605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4.  It works as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly.  The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far.  I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it.

Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it along.

--Josh
 --------------000007080406060405090605-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 16:13:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103163BF12; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:13:14 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine References: <00d701c702f4$3f7ed160$0202fea9@mincer> <027101c702f7$8da24c70$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <027101c702f7$8da24c70$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of contraption on here a while back? http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and > turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps one > could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a rubber > belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the gear > shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > > kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > > >> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an >> abrupt >> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can >> slowly >> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the >> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing. >> >> Dave Eichenberger- >> http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >>> >> >>> Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get your point. It >>> ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But if I had to >>> play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig with the >>> RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop enough >>> interesting material on that little red baby to do all sorts >>> of bizarre stuff. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 16:18:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0134D3BF18; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22530537.1163002693244.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 8:18:13 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Cc: Joshua Carroll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi: I was toying with the idea of swapping out the Zoom PS-04 ($149) for this guy ($299) but it appears like the humble PS-04 has a few guitarist-oriented/recording/jamming features that the H4 doesn't have (albeit the stereo mikes look cool a la the very expensive other models I've seen from other companies). -- Paul Richards ---- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as a > great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I > haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the other > features make it ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting together > rough song ideas on the fly. The built-in stereo condenser mic has > really impressed me so far. I expected it to pretty much suck for the > price, but I've been getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings > with it. > > Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it along. > > --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 17:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C142D3BEFE; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fuj/YN0Ej897/aZj31RgelTDwiMvgXJSWPA4Iivb0T6vWfyLfL5RPX/U93m3Z14CnW0NKM0AlUxthg1IYYQv1x2a7gLODYw4sl1Cok6s1Lj6xh8LOpL/YvAY3THCfCFGdPl5mD+X2+H81Ho5IR592Rds0v875+NMhTk8sRUx/eM= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:28:21 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping In-Reply-To: <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:28:23 +0000 (UTC) What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? On 11/8/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: > > Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as a great > 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I haven't tried > yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the other features make it > ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on > the fly. The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far. > I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been getting some > excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. > > Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it along. > > --Josh > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 17:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636323BF0A; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4552163D.3050602@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:39:09 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) I may be doing something wrong, but the device is reporting 0 frames of latency to Mobius (which tells me the driver isn't communicating that data), but with the Suggested Latency Milliseconds set to 5, I can't tell any latency at all. I can't see any configuration available for the H4 driver, so I'm not sure where else to look. --Josh Art Simon wrote: > What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? > > On 11/8/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as >> a great >> 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I >> haven't tried >> yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the other features >> make it >> ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting together rough song >> ideas on >> the fly. The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me >> so far. >> I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been >> getting some >> excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. >> >> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it >> along. >> >> --Josh >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 18:11:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4123BF0C; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: 3rd Hand--was RC-2 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:11:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> Thread-Index: AccDUNUMENUZYvfERfSw9vV3zv/3ugAEEebA Message-Id: <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:11:33 +0000 (UTC) http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Tone%20in%20Progr ess/Third%20Hand/10/1 Mixed reviews--better stick with the EH. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of contraption on here a while back? http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and > turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps one > could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a rubber > belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the gear > shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > > kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > > >> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an >> abrupt >> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can >> slowly >> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the >> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing. >> >> Dave Eichenberger- >> http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 19:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D9F3BEFE; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JMELokkp3+mpGr7hqMjMnRs0lRsZhQd5zmtxxAZfkf11A8k/+4yLwAy4WNs8SK6CstOBYBgJslqAWEr2V+wVbf0qUpfMHO8D0ZeVvajjRGrdlu9qapxAYj00TAVvTIK0xXheomQU/vggf9n+qM4kZhxmgaBP+fuwYYQ8CzZdmOM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:26:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:26:48 +0000 (UTC) On 8 nov 2006, at 18.28, Art Simon wrote: > What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? It has a hardware direct monitoring function. At least for me that makes the AD/DA figures moot, because I'm looping and only use wet effects from the software inside the laptop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 19:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95E43BF15; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455230C6.3040100@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:32:22 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that is a little frustrating. Right now I'm using Mobius in standalone, so no effects anyway. It seems I've been able to turn it off at times, but not all the time. I'll have to play with it some more and see what I can come up with. If it turns out that the hardware monitoring is always on in audio-interface mode, I will be sure to request that they change it. The firmware can be updated via the SD card or (presumably) the USB connection. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 8 nov 2006, at 18.28, Art Simon wrote: > >> What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? > > It has a hardware direct monitoring function. At least for me that > makes the AD/DA figures moot, because I'm looping and only use wet > effects from the software inside the laptop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 20:55:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8327C3BEF6; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:55:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031F_01C7033D.8BF02CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C7033D.8BF02CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---- Original Message -----=20 From: Randolf Arriola=20 Hi Krispen, I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with the = rest of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping. Thank you! One question I have is based on the strange procedure you experienced = for deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external foot switch = to delete instead? Yes, you can assign a boss foot switch to perform the same function = has holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a loop from memory, while the = loop is stopped or during playback. But, without testing this, I can't = say what the exact behavior will be. I can only assume that if you hold = the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it will still play the = first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to deleting the loop while = in playback. Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the = manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind = attention. You can download it here: = http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf Kris ------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C7033D.8BF02CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Randolf=20 Arriola
Hi Krispen,
I'm a fan of your music and am = grateful to you=20 for imparting with the rest of us much valuable knowlege = from the=20 world of looping.
 
Thank you!
 
One question I have is based on the = strange=20 procedure you experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible to = assign=20 the external foot switch to delete instead?
 
Yes, you can assign a boss = foot switch to=20 perform the same function has holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a = loop=20 from memory, while the loop is stopped or during playback. But, = without=20 testing this, I can't say what the exact behavior will be. I can only = assume=20 that if you hold the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it = will still=20 play the first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to deleting the = loop=20 while in playback.
 
Lastly I would be most grateful if I = could=20 receive a copy of the manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to = you for=20 your kind attention.
 
You can download it here: = http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf<= /FONT>
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C7033D.8BF02CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 21:00:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 343413BF0B; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bzPmCu+3wPUW75kkqSU6pI8UnuIwnnm42lC4Le1IBv2POQIcbZzMgaMvUpZCkaOONL9nuuVfC+MCnDeWRpmTbQeI6CTLYZ6Z1KN877E+BKafrFHumvEcjxfkF06vkWqid/j01x92zi0x3xDYcl0bTMuPUXKy9E4CjXvBJpgqXdo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <455230C6.3040100@infinivert.com> References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> <455230C6.3040100@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:00:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <45pbxC.A.soH.bVkUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about being unclear. I meant that the hardware direct monitoring option is excellent! I wonder if the H4 driver offers some software mixer to balance the level of direct the monitoring related to the output coming from laptop software applications? I have that on my other audio interfaces and appreciate it a lot. per On 8 nov 2006, at 20.32, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Yeah, that is a little frustrating. Right now I'm using Mobius in > standalone, so no effects anyway. It seems I've been able to turn > it off at times, but not all the time. I'll have to play with it > some more and see what I can come up with. > > If it turns out that the hardware monitoring is always on in audio- > interface mode, I will be sure to request that they change it. The > firmware can be updated via the SD card or (presumably) the USB > connection. > > --Josh > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 8 nov 2006, at 18.28, Art Simon wrote: >> >>> What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? >> >> It has a hardware direct monitoring function. At least for me that >> makes the AD/DA figures moot, because I'm looping and only use wet >> effects from the software inside the laptop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 21:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AFD83BF12; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oa7RkmcEHyH0lBUt1GRrSchS9kj2bZEBKf+ztbjUdMaED+C/yUxHb1Cl//YC1/mNPAjmYNscRUs8EnH8yn8zjbwAqOuFdCv4Rwy1j4pPniMZClGIFbaU0Ahfz6EboO0TumgzP4DTstykS4mnvhDV4aHSR69tFuBjiUoS9MlHgOk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:07:33 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine In-Reply-To: <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28338_2905118.1163020053772" References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28338_2905118.1163020053772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline After years of using products from both companies, I'd suggest that Boss consider this marketing logo: "Our UI design isn't quite as bad as Yamaha's" TH On 11/8/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > ---- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Randolf Arriola > Hi Krispen, > I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with the rest > of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping. > > *Thank you!* > > One question I have is based on the strange procedure you experienced for > deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external foot switch to delete > instead? > > *Yes, you can assign a boss foot switch to perform the same function has > holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a loop from memory, while the loop is > stopped or during playback. But, without testing this, I can't say what the > exact behavior will be. I can only assume that if you hold the footswitch > down while the loop is stopped, it will still play the first few secons of > the loop. So, we're back to deleting the loop while in playback.* > > Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the manual > from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind attention. > > *You can download it here: ** > http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf* > > Kris > > > ------=_Part_28338_2905118.1163020053772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline After years of using products from both companies, I'd suggest that Boss consider this marketing logo:

"Our UI design isn't quite as bad as Yamaha's"


TH

On 11/8/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
---- Original Message -----
Hi Krispen,
I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with the rest of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping.
 
Thank you!
 
One question I have is based on the strange procedure you experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external foot switch to delete instead?
 
Yes, you can assign a boss foot switch to perform the same function has holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a loop from memory, while the loop is stopped or during playback. But, without testing this, I can't say what the exact behavior will be. I can only assume that if you hold the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it will still play the first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to deleting the loop while in playback.
 
Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind attention.
 
 
Kris
 

------=_Part_28338_2905118.1163020053772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 21:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3933BF14; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U2m/S5vCryc4aSnAxdzzBA9Z73rtbmS/3Z7JWdUw6C2OLTnM4UXS19EBn3nUYe1otEILnam6XQ6IVa2nGtxiI1qObeIpv58vMcvjyi+qmGasc5wKZnpg9v0DEO0V0SeY8sEgPLyHvL8fktarEu1sqYoEPNSCFrF7Pq/0DtJ6p54=; X-YMail-OSG: ZofXTRcVM1mwOWZ.YMGeUtfqoHx_AD36OvBbxg4WeDUMrxdhzYERHKbvkvISSrZTQOtEa0graChoHVC2WCvxXGwQ.vByYy5YG4xy14XTEbvYPYOQ9tz2L9Ws7Jt4bibD9tryL.syOHxSkm3H1tzE0I06jjZqgPTiQg-- Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:18:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 3rd Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <520680.52533.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:18:10 +0000 (UTC) They should probably research their product name a little more thoroughly; it's also the name of the capo Harvey Reid developed eons ago, which is still in production. -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB753BEFB; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45525775.3050307@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:17:25 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c702d4$9ee99920$f9e34744@BlackDell> <45520078.4050007@infinivert.com> <588ce11d0611080928kcc13440p9d551d3767b358aa@mail.gmail.com> <455230C6.3040100@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0646-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC) It does not have that feature, but it seems pretty much right where I want it, so I don't have a problem with it. Actually the ASIO driver (which must be downloaded from their site) and the bundled copy of CubaseLE are the only software of any kind that come with it. Everything else is in the unit itself. It's not the perfect situation, but I'm certainly happy with it. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > Sorry about being unclear. I meant that the hardware direct monitoring > option is excellent! I wonder if the H4 driver offers some software > mixer to balance the level of direct the monitoring related to the > output coming from laptop software applications? I have that on my > other audio interfaces and appreciate it a lot. > > per > > > On 8 nov 2006, at 20.32, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> Yeah, that is a little frustrating. Right now I'm using Mobius in >> standalone, so no effects anyway. It seems I've been able to turn it >> off at times, but not all the time. I'll have to play with it some >> more and see what I can come up with. >> >> If it turns out that the hardware monitoring is always on in >> audio-interface mode, I will be sure to request that they change it. >> The firmware can be updated via the SD card or (presumably) the USB >> connection. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 8 nov 2006, at 18.28, Art Simon wrote: >>> >>>> What sort of latency and buffer setting are you getting with the H4? >>> >>> It has a hardware direct monitoring function. At least for me that >>> makes the AD/DA figures moot, because I'm looping and only use wet >>> effects from the software inside the laptop. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4367F3BEF7; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034701c70384$1d5dc740$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:20:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0344_01C70349.6FF06570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:20:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0344_01C70349.6FF06570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just found a work-around to the the problem of not being able to = delete a loop from memory while the loop is stopped, without hearing it = play again for a few seconds. You can use additional Boss footswitches = (FS-5Us or FS-6s) to stop loop recording, start playback, overdub, = setting tempos, clearing loops from memory, and phrase switching. And I = just succesfully deleted a loop from phrase memory by simply turning the = phrase select knob to a an empty phrase. Hence, this can be done with a = footswitch too.=20 Kris Yes, you can assign a boss foot switch to perform the same function = has holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a loop from memory, while the = loop is stopped or during playback. But, without testing this, I can't = say what the exact behavior will be. I can only assume that if you hold = the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it will still play the = first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to deleting the loop while = in playback. ------=_NextPart_000_0344_01C70349.6FF06570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just found a work-around to the the = problem of=20 not being able to delete a loop from memory while the loop is stopped, = without=20 hearing it play again for a few seconds. You can use = additional Boss=20 footswitches (FS-5Us or FS-6s) to stop loop recording, start = playback,=20 overdub, setting tempos, clearing loops from memory, and phrase = switching. And I=20 just succesfully deleted a loop from phrase memory by simply turning the = phrase=20 select knob to a an empty phrase. Hence, this can be done with a = footswitch too.=20
 
Kris
 
Yes, you can assign a boss = foot switch=20 to perform the same function has holding the RC-2 pedal down to = delete a=20 loop from memory, while the loop is stopped or during playback. But, = without=20 testing this, I can't say what the exact behavior will be. I can = only assume=20 that if you hold the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it = will=20 still play the first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to = deleting the=20 loop while in playback.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0344_01C70349.6FF06570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 00:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 843933BEF3; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NjQbYXSZf1vzsvtZAGVW67QFlg8fsMXmL+ntAv9dJcljyfoP4PFLdSWEhIBz2d4BoqzYyFk7NXeDzbnnJI0p2YrD4PXfwQaP940ITtEO1Nn2Shs6JYVnQMtD8v7xgKrVzHXMGiw+AO+kaAQq4gTnUEyNuvTuaQMNI0iOIKBMwEA= ; Message-ID: <20061109003024.40262.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 3rd Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <520680.52533.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:30:26 +0000 (UTC) I used to use one of those all the time! Cool little toy. I wonder if it's buried somewhere in my studio... --- Tim Nelson wrote: > They should probably research their product name a > little more thoroughly; it's also the name of the > capo > Harvey Reid developed eons ago, which is still in > production. > > > > -t- > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sponsored Link > > Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 > a month what are you waiting for? > http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 00:59:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8DEB3BEFA; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=VD35GoZS1H24llEV8deMQycm7JUuaaoen2HlhZVj1MeCEE90trNKpL5DzCA0iSOrQtTZbqk8gNt1HBFB4L0at61v3EH020dE/Nm27MUDXb0syipGqLYpb4OTHlg7/oWLN1jZnaUcB8kRtEJO8HODWzd+Eyo6/429p62vcS8xYus= Message-ID: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:59:20 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: extremeny@googlegroups.com, tomr@googlegroups.com, Loopers-Delight Subject: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 52126f1e471eb73b Resent-Message-ID: <_qSy3.A.egH.r1nUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:59:23 +0000 (UTC) http://www.voiceofkorea.org/ I'm sore tempted to make up a band and apply... -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80AF33BEFF; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c70394$36074e00$f9e34744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:15:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7036A.4CC60110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:14:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7036A.4CC60110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, how about the Yamaha UD-Stomp? Messing with that thing would screw = up the side of my brain that wanted to play music - albeit it had a good = pedigree (Alan Holdsworth designed patches). Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine After years of using products from both companies, I'd suggest that = Boss consider this marketing logo: "Our UI design isn't quite as bad as Yamaha's" TH On 11/8/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: ---- Original Message -----=20 From: Randolf Arriola=20 Hi Krispen, I'm a fan of your music and am grateful to you for imparting with = the rest of us much valuable knowlege from the world of looping. Thank you! One question I have is based on the strange procedure you = experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible to assign the external = foot switch to delete instead? Yes, you can assign a boss foot switch to perform the same = function has holding the RC-2 pedal down to delete a loop from memory, = while the loop is stopped or during playback. But, without testing this, = I can't say what the exact behavior will be. I can only assume that if = you hold the footswitch down while the loop is stopped, it will still = play the first few secons of the loop. So, we're back to deleting the = loop while in playback. Lastly I would be most grateful if I could receive a copy of the = manual from you at your convenience. Thanks to you for your kind = attention. You can download it here: = http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-2_e2.pdf Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7036A.4CC60110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, how about the Yamaha UD-Stomp? = Messing with=20 that thing would screw up the side of my brain that wanted to play music = -=20 albeit it had a good pedigree (Alan Holdsworth designed = patches).
 
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Travis Hartnett
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, = 2006 4:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping = Now...Just Recieved Mine

After years of using products from both companies, I'd = suggest=20 that Boss consider this marketing logo:

"Our UI design isn't = quite as=20 bad as Yamaha's"


TH

On 11/8/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Randolf = Arriola=20
Hi Krispen,
I'm a fan of your music and am = grateful to=20 you for imparting with the rest of us much valuable = knowlege=20 from the world of looping.
 
Thank=20 you!
 
One question I have is based on = the strange=20 procedure you experienced for deleting a loop. Is it possible = to=20 assign the external foot switch to delete instead?
 
Yes, you can assign a = boss foot=20 switch to perform the same function has holding the RC-2 pedal = down to=20 delete a loop from memory, while the loop is stopped or during = playback.=20 But, without testing this, I can't say what the exact behavior = will be. I=20 can only assume that if you hold the footswitch down while the = loop is=20 stopped, it will still play the first few secons of the loop. So, = we're=20 back to deleting the loop while in = playback.
 
Lastly I would be most grateful = if I could=20 receive a copy of the manual from you at your convenience. Thanks = to you=20 for your kind attention.
 
You can download it here: = http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_06-12742/RC-= 2_e2.pdf
 
Kris
 

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7036A.4CC60110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D02F3BEF4; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:17:22 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: OT: audio to midi converter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <455281A2.4040005@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Resent-Message-ID: <3u9bvD.A.FY.AHoUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:17:53 +0000 (UTC) >>Does the axiom have any kind of built in programable arpeggiater? Yes, the Axon AX100 has an interesting arpeggiator capability which is controlled with the hold pedal. I may not be describing it well, but you hold down the pedal and it adds each note you play to a repeating pattern (until you get to 16 notes). The notes are added 'as-played' or by ascending or descending pitch, or by some random method. The arpeggiator voice can be different from the voice you're using, allowing you to solo over the pattern. It allows you to select the number of steps (up to 16 I think - but it might be 32) and from a bunch of standard (equal note value) rhythmic patterns or from some with supposedly 'descriptive' names. I found most of them to be un-descriptive, but I think that may be because I'm not using the feature that plays the built-in drum accompaniment. In the 16 additional user patterns, each note in the pattern may have any duration or may be a rest of any duration. The pattern choices: 1/16 st (short - a stacatto note), 1/16 lg (long - more like a legato note), 1/8 st, 1/8 lg, 1/4 st, 1/4 lg, 1/2, 1/8 triplets, Blues, Blues2, Boogi 1, Boogi 2, Disco 1, Rock 1, Rock 2, House 1, plus16 user slots. The arpeggiator may be sync'd to MIDI clock, but in this mode requires both the time code for the tempo and the MIDI Start command to get the sequence rolling. You double-tap the hold pedal to stop the arpeggiator. Sorry if this vague, but the arpeggiator is only one dimension of this controller that I haven't had time to fully explore. There is a way to get a better idea of the arpeggiator options which is to download the free firmware/editor package and install only the editor. there were some screen shots available, but they didn't show the values available in the drop-down selection boxes. I should also mention that I am thrilled to have the free graphical software editor which runs in both Windows and on the Mac.http://supporten.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=139 There is also a user forum that the developers actually manage and they have been very responsive when I needed assistance. To offer a marginally on-topic comment, trying to integrate the arpeggiator with my Repeater in order to use it in performance has been quite a few hours down the time-sink, but I'm sure bigger brains could make it happen. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:43:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E63EB3BF02; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:43:12 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > http://www.voiceofkorea.org/ > > I'm sore tempted to make up a band and apply... > Does the band get to wear Kim Jong-il Signature Model hairpieces? Count me in for sure. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745573BF06; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=G8SoMKuhFvACMrIpf9t/iGNIqhJE8QIyWiPukEm6pG4weK/ehtntAjRJLNS+K4FGeNY18Pj56FZbAlkGjBolMNw13T9S+ySfDEN5W01j9oCq2k1ogF+q+noUYgC8m28yymCakX8pOXFLx8eNcPxtQBF5vYhWKLsiSX67eUHafmo= Message-ID: <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:50:26 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) In-Reply-To: <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 14de7c6d06ae59ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:50:29 +0000 (UTC) hmm... I do have a tendency to get involved in too many things. but. it'd be fun. I already have a bunch of North Korean music, in fact -- it's dreadful. What's a good name for a rock band that's deliberately trying to do music for North Korea? We need at least a bassist and a drummer and probably a guitarist -- I can do vocals and the electronic wind instrument. Or we could bring drum/bass machines. But it isn't really "rock", is it? It might be "too late" -- I mean, they go up March 1, that's less than 120 days away. Not much timeframe to work.... /t On 11/8/06, Brian Good wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > http://www.voiceofkorea.org/ > > > > I'm sore tempted to make up a band and apply... > > > > Does the band get to wear Kim Jong-il Signature Model hairpieces? > > Count me in for sure. > > Brian > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6E33BF07; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:55:51 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: > hmm... I do have a tendency to get involved in too many things. but. > it'd be fun. I already have a bunch of North Korean music, in fact -- > it's dreadful. > > What's a good name for a rock band that's deliberately trying to do > music for North Korea? They said metal was ok. Harmonious Mindfulness of Pustulence? best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB1B3BEF6; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QzQFMJhIqTT4bvWUGrX9gFEvfHC6jjDBGNsBGqK/hxVYu4M1hFcxyv/HP2g0E/SmtFtOrEOOtaJnVVH6e6/rnZtYluyr0kfFxV/BnDo9AzckAAJLV71SCwTZNOPk56JT07zuUZA7HXvadeCOQg1QN/TAh4am+St6zDL391FYOaA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120611081806o56b4f9f0kd5f743fdb3d98e1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:06:12 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a24c58ed4ae73cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:06:14 +0000 (UTC) I think it'll have to be squeaky clean. North Korean music is like an extremely polished and dull version of the music of the 50s. They are going to look up all the words and if it says Blood or Pus or Poop they will reject it. You'd want to call it "Musical Progress" or "Mindful Workers" or something. I like Mindful Workers.... On 11/8/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > hmm... I do have a tendency to get involved in too many things. but. > > it'd be fun. I already have a bunch of North Korean music, in fact -- > > it's dreadful. > > > > What's a good name for a rock band that's deliberately trying to do > > music for North Korea? > > They said metal was ok. Harmonious Mindfulness of Pustulence? > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:12:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE43C3BEFA; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120611081806o56b4f9f0kd5f743fdb3d98e1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120611081806o56b4f9f0kd5f743fdb3d98e1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I think it'll have to be squeaky clean. North Korean music is like an > extremely polished and dull version of the music of the 50s. They are > going to look up all the words and if it says Blood or Pus or Poop > they will reject it. Pfui. There goes the plan to translate Baudelaire's "Fleurs du Mal" into Korean as a metal concept album for the event. > You'd want to call it "Musical Progress" or "Mindful Workers" or something. > > I like Mindful Workers.... Not bad, not bad. Makes me think of Devo for some reason, but that may just be me. best, Steve B > > On 11/8/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> >> > hmm... I do have a tendency to get involved in too many things. but. >> > it'd be fun. I already have a bunch of North Korean music, in fact -- >> > it's dreadful. >> > >> > What's a good name for a rock band that's deliberately trying to do >> > music for North Korea? >> >> They said metal was ok. Harmonious Mindfulness of Pustulence? >> >> best, >> Steve B >> Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:29:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1D243BF04; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TDkjvJ7RogRoabD/GquNHDnvBx46+7Qg4URm4A/LDXHsU693Tz0joQHyYajEFKTlgRLpBx+HmNOU53nrqyBaYVoW194yGmS1/7l5rA+QSjZs6UnX3dGuWVg3w5GORkpzZREBH3d+hG/WYxQS11E2M8n+SD7LgZ8bfFlpeLa54dk= Message-ID: <26ba8d120611081829p339f1b1aj6fcd430b6b96a9c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:29:00 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> <26ba8d120611081750i3bb4320dwaf410385e341806d@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120611081806o56b4f9f0kd5f743fdb3d98e1e@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5752ae149fa2ffd2 Resent-Message-ID: <5LJxbC.A.-4C.vJpUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Well, it should be bad -- not bad is not good enough. Well, some name will show up. So the idea would be to acquire a rhythm section, write a lot of simple songs about workers in a capitalist, oppressive world, then lay down a few tracks in someone's project studio and send it to the competition. Or even better, repurpose the rhythm section of some other functioning band already playing some form of rock music.... "hey, wanna go to North Korea?" "working seven days and the eighth day too/I'm always getting nailed by the corporate screw" not quite clean enough. "I work hard every day and take pleasure in my work/But my rich supervisor is a selfish, fat jerk." ? "Don't get distracted from the struggle by class!/Without organization, you are are a disorganized mass. Revolution! The time is now: /if you follow the teachings of Chairman Mao." actually -- I have a candidate for this... :-D On 11/8/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > I think it'll have to be squeaky clean. North Korean music is like an > > extremely polished and dull version of the music of the 50s. They are > > going to look up all the words and if it says Blood or Pus or Poop > > they will reject it. > > Pfui. There goes the plan to translate Baudelaire's "Fleurs du Mal" into > Korean as a metal concept album for the event. > > > You'd want to call it "Musical Progress" or "Mindful Workers" or something. > > > > I like Mindful Workers.... > > Not bad, not bad. Makes me think of Devo for some reason, but that may > just be me. > > best, > Steve B > > > > > On 11/8/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> > >> > hmm... I do have a tendency to get involved in too many things. but. > >> > it'd be fun. I already have a bunch of North Korean music, in fact -- > >> > it's dreadful. > >> > > >> > What's a good name for a rock band that's deliberately trying to do > >> > music for North Korea? > >> > >> They said metal was ok. Harmonious Mindfulness of Pustulence? > >> > >> best, > >> Steve B > >> Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CAB33BEFF; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F/t2Zx0nA1u65X5vRFmAU/NuvAI7wW1T/NeGIL1l9oPB+Yb4FsYTbakQR2nU+fGV2N2loGN3Q67whD1N3yeKjgled7N/gyjnYTUjPBR968+vC5oFeCXWQySAVVqMPWWXTzHSV9CXqLrtuLTJdddAC7+onO+/J2+TBokkTaH+M9A= Message-ID: <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:40:15 -0800 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3rd Hand--was RC-2 In-Reply-To: <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30502_28845495.1163040015824" References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:40:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30502_28845495.1163040015824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I actually just received this morning a 3rd Hand I bought off ebay for $54. I only got to play with it for a couple hours before heading off to work. I connected it to the Delay Time knob of a Boss DD-5 that I use in an effects chain, mainly for vocals, but sometimes rhythms too. It's cool for me because the delay can create adjustable "pitches" that I can now control with the pedal instead of bending over and using my hand. The pedal is large, too large, I think. And it has to be side-by-side with whatever you hook it up to, which can be frustrating when you already have a crowded pedalboard. The cable connects awfully close to the pedal in toe-down position, so Saskatchewan players will be doing some foot-shifting to avoid stepping on it. The cable itself is a tightly wound medal spring, not rubber. It does need to be tightened on either end with a hex wrench. But I do not get any slippage, and I can control the full range of the effect's knob. The belt inside does seem kinda cheap, twisted up and all. Overall, it seems like a pretty superfluous purchase for me. Not sure how much I'll be using it. Wonder if maybe someday I might transfer the mechanism into a smaller pedal housing. Then I'd like it a lot more! David On 11/8/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Tone%20in%20Progr > ess/Third%20Hand/10/1 > > Mixed reviews--better stick with the EH. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > > Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of contraption on here a > while back? > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and > > turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps one > > could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a rubber > > belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the gear > > shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > > > > kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM > > Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine > > > > > >> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an > >> abrupt > >> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can > >> slowly > >> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the > >> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing. > >> > >> Dave Eichenberger- > >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> > >> > > > ------=_Part_30502_28845495.1163040015824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I actually just received this morning a 3rd Hand I bought off ebay for $54. I only got to play with it for a couple hours before heading off to work. I connected it to the Delay Time knob of a Boss DD-5 that I use in an effects chain, mainly for vocals, but sometimes rhythms too. It's cool for me because the delay can create adjustable "pitches" that I can now control with the pedal instead of bending over and using my hand.
 
The pedal is large, too large, I think. And it has to be side-by-side with whatever you hook it up to, which can be frustrating when you already have a crowded pedalboard. The cable connects awfully close to the pedal in toe-down position, so Saskatchewan players will be doing some foot-shifting to avoid stepping on it.
 
The cable itself is a tightly wound medal spring, not rubber. It does need to be tightened on either end with a hex wrench. But I do not get any slippage, and I can control the full range of the effect's knob. The belt inside does seem kinda cheap, twisted up and all.
 
Overall, it seems like a pretty superfluous purchase for me. Not sure how much I'll be using it. Wonder if maybe someday I might transfer the mechanism into a smaller pedal housing. Then I'd like it a lot more!
David


 
On 11/8/06, Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Tone%20in%20Progr
ess/Third%20Hand/10/1

Mixed reviews--better stick with the EH.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:13 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine

Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of contraption on here a
while back?

http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
> Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with bending down and
> turning the output knob down manually.....sounds fun, eh? Perhaps one
> could build some bizarre contraption that attaches one end of a rubber
> belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other end to the gear
> shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :)
>
> kris
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor"
> <artists@hazardfactor.com >
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine
>
>
>> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop so as not to have an
>> abrupt
>> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with no feedback, I can
>> slowly
>> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't really like for all of the
>> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar playing.
>>
>> Dave Eichenberger-
>> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>>
>>



------=_Part_30502_28845495.1163040015824-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:44:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DFA03BF08; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: audio to midi converter Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:45:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <455281A2.4040005@Verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thanks for the in depth, I think I get it, I enjoy using a midi arpeggiator to drive my repeater, and this sounds like something with more options than what I currently use(a roland GR-30). Thanks again. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dan Ash [mailto:Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: audio to midi converter >>Does the axiom have any kind of built in programable arpeggiater? Yes, the Axon AX100 has an interesting arpeggiator capability which is controlled with the hold pedal. I may not be describing it well, but you hold down the pedal and it adds each note you play to a repeating pattern (until you get to 16 notes). The notes are added 'as-played' or by ascending or descending pitch, or by some random method. The arpeggiator voice can be different from the voice you're using, allowing you to solo over the pattern. It allows you to select the number of steps (up to 16 I think - but it might be 32) and from a bunch of standard (equal note value) rhythmic patterns or from some with supposedly 'descriptive' names. I found most of them to be un-descriptive, but I think that may be because I'm not using the feature that plays the built-in drum accompaniment. In the 16 additional user patterns, each note in the pattern may have any duration or may be a rest of any duration. The pattern choices: 1/16 st (short - a stacatto note), 1/16 lg (long - more like a legato note), 1/8 st, 1/8 lg, 1/4 st, 1/4 lg, 1/2, 1/8 triplets, Blues, Blues2, Boogi 1, Boogi 2, Disco 1, Rock 1, Rock 2, House 1, plus16 user slots. The arpeggiator may be sync'd to MIDI clock, but in this mode requires both the time code for the tempo and the MIDI Start command to get the sequence rolling. You double-tap the hold pedal to stop the arpeggiator. Sorry if this vague, but the arpeggiator is only one dimension of this controller that I haven't had time to fully explore. There is a way to get a better idea of the arpeggiator options which is to download the free firmware/editor package and install only the editor. there were some screen shots available, but they didn't show the values available in the drop-down selection boxes. I should also mention that I am thrilled to have the free graphical software editor which runs in both Windows and on the Mac.http://supporten.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file =index&req=viewdownload&cid=139 There is also a user forum that the developers actually manage and they have been very responsive when I needed assistance. To offer a marginally on-topic comment, trying to integrate the arpeggiator with my Repeater in order to use it in performance has been quite a few hours down the time-sink, but I'm sure bigger brains could make it happen. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 02:49:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DCC03BF0D; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: new boomerang/ nyc pedalboards Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:49:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 71.210.59.38 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 02:49:57 +0000 (UTC) two questions- 1/ any news on the newer version of the boomerang? 2/ i remember being turned on to nyc pedalboards from a post on the list. does anyone have one and what are your thoughts? john floridis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 03:20:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3803BEF8; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: new boomerang/ nyc pedalboards Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c703ad$f571f420$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccDqb5GuyjKTtLRRtauP522HpV1MwAAsbXw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:20:11 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerang is supposed to be out in the winter...I am guessing for NAMM? I have an NYC pedalboard (the Big Shot model)...I use it with a Behringer FCB-1010, and the EDP foot controller...you can see pics of it here: http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave/pedalboard.gif http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave/pedalclosed.gif I like it, although the covering attracts all sorts of lint and pet hair. The velcro inside is strong, but like all velcro, the problem is that The sticky side doesn't stick to the pedals themselves. I am always repositioning them after I move it. Still, it is much better than a flight case. I wish he would have offered it with tolex or some other wipeable covering though. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > two questions- > > 1/ any news on the newer version of the boomerang? > > 2/ i remember being turned on to nyc pedalboards from a post > on the list. does anyone have one and what are your thoughts? > > john floridis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 04:33:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E19CD3BEFE; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,402,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="308924037:sNHT25537768" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:30:12 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances Boston area, 11.16.06, 11.18.06 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.4552AF24.00B1,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.121/2006-09-27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm doing two performances next week. Hope you can come out. Thursday 11.16.06 at PA's Lounge in Somerville, with at least two of the four bands on the bill, and Saturday 11.18.06 at the lovely 119 Gallery in Lowell with my regular Immersions ensemble. Details for the two shoes follow below. The Thursday show is descrbed by Chris Pearson At 7:08 AM -0800 11/8/06, Chris Pearson wrote: > >just a quick note to inform you that Chris Pearson, >former guitarist and singer for Green Magnet School, >is playing Thursday, November 16th at PA's Lounge in >beautiful Union Sq, Somerville. Also playing will be >psychedelic experimentalists Full Grown Spiders, >Energy, and The >Fixations. CP is on at 10PM. > >Image Manipulator Dr. T will be providing psychedelic >projections and visuals for your head. > >Show starts at 9PM, tickets are $7.00 for 21+, $10 for >18+ > >Chris Pearson (10PM) >http://www.myspace.com/chrispearsonmusic > >Full Grown Spiders (11PM) >http://www.myspace.com/fullgrownspiders > >Energy (12PM) >http://www.myspace.com/energytime > >Fixations (9PM) >http://www.myspace.com/fixations > >Dr. T >http://www.foryourhead.com/ > >"Chris Pearson, former guitarist and vocalist for >Green Magnet School, now does solo material combining >the organic with the synthetic utilizing guitars, >effects, synthesizers, and a laptop in a unique, >primitivist, >post-rock style. Surprisingly loud for one person." > >also, for those of you who are interested, there is >now a MySpace site for my old band, Green Magnet >School: > >http://www.myspace.com/greenmagnetschool > I'm delighted to announce the next Immersions event, which will happen on Nov 18 at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA.. The last event there was exciting and enjoyed by all -- do check this one out. Music and video start at 8 PM. The lineup Doctor T -- Video Improvisation Dean (Deknow) Stiglitz Electro Flute Ramona Herboldsheimer - Hammered Dulcimer Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and Percussion I'm joining three of my favorite musical coconspirators in our first Immersion show of the fall season. The music will be a blend of jazz, exploratory ambience, and abstract improvisation, and we expect a mind-stretching synergy of music and visuals. Opening will be Mitchel Ahern, homebrew electroacoustic instruments Joe Brown, guitar looping with Walter Wright, Video Shredder 119 Gallery (http://www.119gallery.org) is a splendid, bright performance space located at 119 Chelmsford Street in Lowell, phone 978-452-8138 . Suggested donation is $5.00 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 08:31:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C65B3BEFC; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c703d9$65ade430$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <26ba8d120611081659s608a233fl56d121e44d25019a@mail.gmail.com> <455287B0.5040605@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:31:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <38JSiD.A.XTD.WduUFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Hopefully someone will perform "I'm So Ronery" from "Team America: World Police". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Good" To: Sent: Thursday, 9 November, 2006 01:43 AM Subject: Re: 3/1/07: Rock for Peace (North Korea rock festival) > Tom Ritchford wrote: >> http://www.voiceofkorea.org/ >> >> I'm sore tempted to make up a band and apply... >> > > Does the band get to wear Kim Jong-il Signature Model hairpieces? > > Count me in for sure. > > Brian > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 11:14:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F66B3BF05; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:16:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45530E01.4050004@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:14:52 +0000 (UTC) FoxNet News for Thursday, November 9, 2006. ======================================================================= Welcome to FoxNet, the newsletter for information about my musical activities such as Galactic Travels, Pulse, The Municipal Band of Allentown, Pinnacle, and much more! Please feel free to send me comments and unsubscribe requests. If there's somebody who you think would like to receive these notices, please give them my email address so they can contact me. If there's an item that you feel that should be included, be sure to let me know that, too. Thanks! Bill Fox http://soundscapes.us/bill QUICK LOOK - MORE SHOWS AND DETAILS BELOW Today: 8:00 am - Afterglow on WMUH 11:00 pm - Galactic Travels on WDIY Coming this week: November 11 - The AM/FM Show November 11 - Pulse at Beltzner Hall Coming up: November 15 - Bill plays Progressive Rock on WDIY November 18 - Pulse at the Alburtis Rod and Gun Club December 10 - Municipal Band Holiday Dinner Concert EVENTS ARE IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. TODAY: AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the the month-long Special Focus on Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Jupiter Menace" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "In the Gardens of Pharao/Aguirre" by Popol Vuh on Celestial Harmonies Records and released in 1983. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. COMING THIS WEEK: THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 11 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh PULSE: http://soundscapes.us/pulse ======================================================================= We thought that we only had one more show to do this year but life is interesting. THIS Saturday, November 11, Pulse will play a benefit at the First Annual Troy Moyer Memorial Dance at Beltzner Hall on the Kutztown Fairgrounds. The doors open at 6:30 and Pulse starts promptly at 7:00 pm. Your donation of $15 gets you refreshments, music by Pulse, and benefits the Troy Moyer Cancer Fund. (Troy passed away last year.) You must be at least 21 to enter. Call for tickets now: Ray Moyer 610-682-6455 Wert's Beverages: 610-682-2411 Michelle's Corner Salon: 610-682-6638 Tickets will be available at the door. On November 18, Pulse returns to the Alburtis Rod and Gun Club for the final public show of 2006. PULSE plays at the level of a tribute band without specializing on any one band. This is no mean feat! This high caliber Classic Rock band plays the music of Steely Dan, Santana, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Blues Brothers, Beatles, and other top shelf groups. The group includes Greg Van Allen (guitars and vocals), Rod Gilkeson (vocals), Bob Ashmore (Keyboards), Bill Fox (bass and vocals), and Billy Fenstermacher (drums and vocals). IN THE NEAR FUTURE: PROGRESSIVE ROCK ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= On Wednesday, November 15, I will fill in on the Wednesday Late Night Alternative program at 11:04 pm. The alternative that I will bring to the Lehigh Valley will be Progressive Rock. MUNICIPAL BAND OF ALLENTOWN: http://MunicipalBand.org ======================================================================= Please plan to join the band in holiday cheer at the annual Holiday Dinner Concert on December 10 at the Days Inn Conference Center on Route 309 at Route 22. Menu details and reservation form are available on-line at the band website and from band members. OTHER STUFF: PINNACLE: http://pinnacleband.com ======================================================================= Initial reactions to Meld, our new CD, is overwhelmingly great! We think you're in for a real treat when you buy the CD! Order now because THEY'RE HERE!!! WLVR, WDIY/WXLV, and WMUH are already playing tracks from Meld as well as many internet radio stations!!!!! The CD was mastered at Star City Recording by Carl Cadden James (of InsideOut recording group Shadow Gallery) under the supervision of legendary producer Jeff Glixman (Kansas, Yngwie Malmsteen). The cover art was done by Martin Kornick who has done covers for Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Transatlantic, and the mighty Spock's Beard. While you're web surfing, check out the Pinnacle web site at the NEW address: http://pinnacleband.com You can order Meld there right now! You can also buy the CD (and our first one, too) at CD Baby. http://cdbaby.com/group/pinnacleband Our first CD of five original tunes and one extra bonus surprise is available there and at CD Baby! You can also see any member of the band to buy your very own copy of our first release called "A Man's Reach..." We had fun putting it together and still love the results. Check it out at http://cdbaby.com/pinnacle You can read the CD's first public review at the ProgGnosis web site: http://www.proGGnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=8302 Their database has an artist listing for us, too, at: http://www.proGGnosis.com/MUSIC_DBArtist.asp?txtArtistID=3541 Check out our listings at: MySpace - http://myspace.com/pinnaclegroup UBL - http://ubl.com/pinnacle MALARKY: http://www.malarkymusic.com ======================================================================= You can hear Malarky in Celtic action at your private party. Contact Patti Edgar for booking by emailing patti@malarkymusic.com or calling 610-821-2746. XEROID ENTITY: http://xeroid-entity.com ======================================================================= Xeroid Entity is an electronic music ensemble consisting of Howard Moscovitz, Greg Waltzer, and Bill Fox. Our debut CD is called "Moons of Saturn" and is available at http://electro-music.com. We've captured a lot of good music at our show at the Deer Head Inn and have released some of it on our second CD, "Live at the Deer Head Inn." WDIY FM: http://wdiy.org ======================================================================= You can hear WDIY at 88.1 FM in the Allentown and Bethlehem area, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. If you value the diverse voice of non-commercial public radio, then please do your part by becoming a member today. You can become a member of WDIY at http://wdiy.org using the secure on-line pledge page. You can also renew your membership, make an extra gift, or rejoin if you have let your membership lapse. And it's TAX DEDUCTIBLE! For volunteer opportunities, call Alison at 610-694-8100 extension 8. YOU keep adventurous radio on the air that is live and local. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 15:28:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE0C3BF07; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=avkEoTtWD8beMWcA7u74VcPVmObfk/dQHaryqrXAMlLKKf9eMiYn8PwGJdShcQPngxK9Ls52msSAsjCd6cbe6DS1LSwROcbZlOw1wIwEEv5OhwAWWhiJ3/X9IrdkkJdk3UpQJzjfKbAmP3I+vNYD4MlRU7yq/k+SD2PFPF2IbBY= ; Message-ID: <20061109152846.85626.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:28:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Turnpenny Subject: digitech pds 8000 electronic buzzing problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:28:47 +0000 (UTC) hi, i recently bought a digitech pds 8000. it seemed to work fine for a while but now and then when i go into sampling mode and trigger a sample it just lets out this huge blast of electric noise [as in, the kind of noise you _don't_ want] it seems to work fine when it's just in the delay mode. has anybody else had a similar problem? moreover, do you know how i could fix it? thanks, chris. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 16:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802A43BF07; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aD4EkarlefCruDmAkmx5HB64Hbe3uwaSYDZU+m9Otn+BpI91wI6GmxPFoy6E/dja; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: 3rd Hand--was RC-2 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:09:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798f0912e3a9e21ff7c515c1eb60c35bde350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:10:05 +0000 (UTC) I've got one connected to the feedback knob on a DD-20 delay; bit of =20 an ergonomic kludge and quite shockingly free of =93parameters,=94 but = it =20 actually works as intended to provide me with a basic but ultra-long =20 foot-controlled stereo looping delay for under $300. If only the DD =20 offered feedback in it=92s SOS mode... dc On Nov 8, 2006, at 6:40 PM, D rH wrote: > I actually just received this morning a 3rd Hand I bought off ebay =20 > for $54. I only got to play with it for a couple hours before =20 > heading off to work. I connected it to the Delay Time knob of a =20 > Boss DD-5 that I use in an effects chain, mainly [snip]= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 16:23:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111843BF15; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01aa01c7041c$88a81260$16b2a8c0@kleiner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <011601c702b3$e3895be0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00fd01c7034f$74e36db0$f2aed4da@embryo> <032201c70378$393ee310$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <034701c70384$1d5dc740$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: 2880 footswitch Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:31:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C70424.E99FB480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C70424.E99FB480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi there, anybody by chance have the 2880's footswitch for sale or knows a place where i can buy it (i.e. they have it in stock)? all the best, tilmann=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C70424.E99FB480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi there, anybody by chance have the = 2880's=20 footswitch for sale
or knows a place where i can buy it = (i.e. they have=20 it in stock)?
 
all the best, = tilmann 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C70424.E99FB480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 19:44:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097063BF01; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=pnfrZUq0AeFVvyHufCebNkObehz5up2BgtmO7vBue+4zayj7/dP4UukAscio5Y1gmkjLYf2/9NgxWkLQ2g5vwkaQ3cLYs8ZjiChqLl2T2oP7ZI0Qr5pY3wEBO2T1pnEvYZJPn59NKHllE4YS4rwxkMezXykDiSTSf97IOa0E58g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <839F3469-AA04-44D5-9E47-4FDBED1ADEE8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: instrument photo gallery Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:44:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi All I have put up a photo gallery of my thumb piano creations at Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 There are 204 photos in the gallery at the moment. For those who don't want to slog thru the pile, these links might be of interest - Here is the direct link to the very first thumb piano I ever made, which uses an Altoid tin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/257907748 And here are photos of the prototype thumb piano with built-in amp and speaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/271797529/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/267464411 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/267464408/ There are audio samples for some of the pianos linked to my SoundClick page but for those who want to avoid SoundClick, I have posted a few MP3 files at Savefile: http://www.savefile.com/projects/1040543 Savefile might act weird depending on your browser so if the page's orange download buttons are not visible, refresh the page. Here are 2 links to download audio files small enough for dial-up modem: a link to audio for the Altoid kalimba: http://www.savefile.com/files/235486 And here is a link to a short track for my prototype built-in amp/ speaker thumb piano: http://www.savefile.com/files/235479 regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 19:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B55AC3BF0C; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4553886A.7030904@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:58:34 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: instrument photo gallery References: <839F3469-AA04-44D5-9E47-4FDBED1ADEE8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <839F3469-AA04-44D5-9E47-4FDBED1ADEE8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Awesome, beautiful instruments, and ingenious ideas with the tins, nice work. One of my favorite sounds. I've been listening to a Richard Crandell mbira recording a lot recently. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hi All > > I have put up a photo gallery of my thumb piano creations at Flickr: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:28:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74713BEFB; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yq3g/y/B37zgsxwQ1oCquznbY+DxuW7BND2FmjEkcsdOcskmeaBiXjPyvXT8CTMlMX6ULPfXQp6HD08uZz/zKbDoDhLX3ghbSvjz4HedxLOuYdvYidKvMZZFuePnxJyS0WFMEm21pLdbP1Zk6azCtEH+5ACJQVX7YyoFOIo0N1o=; X-YMail-OSG: zudv5s8VM1k_YEDo1Kw0S.0.oj6MSkcGPb.UpefnStPQfvULerV9MhHQl85HWIqVPh..yoacsA6ozhYqdS5WwwCZ6aXwKRQjftHS0OyGbwlWH8WaYP8BIGp1t1KeKY8KNTK2q0BySnqR3qA- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 3rd Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061109003024.40262.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <869762.84293.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:28:13 +0000 (UTC) --- mark sottilaro wrote: My girlfriend saw me using mine and thought her father would like one as a Father's Day gift. So she bought one, lost it somewhere in her apartment, and bought him another one. When she found the first one, I was (and am) able to try those multiple third hand things. I enjoy messing around with it at home, but have never really found a use for it live; it's a little too fussy/high-tweak. Of course, I could say the same for my hurdy-gurdy as well. :) -t- > I used to use one of those all the time! Cool > little > toy. I wonder if it's buried somewhere in my > studio... > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > They should probably research their product name a > > little more thoroughly; it's also the name of the > > capo > > Harvey Reid developed eons ago, which is still in > > production. > > > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:45:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39DD13BF0C; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GAGxm/asU4a5aYFMFKhFi/k6B1k4fCjIAIBgJKie/YO8hAn30Ez3n/p07Htr34aBSenP+0mMQaMlTdayN+oHqjd84krMGLg9IlBGOGQK1W9f10F3zLSelM76HztY3bFMuuo8dTqpZRkUB8v41tiBges69r1CKcb2CIu8ATmgTw4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:45:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 > Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as > a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in > effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface > mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting found- > sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. The built- > in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far. I expected > it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been getting some > excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. > > Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it > along. > > --Josh Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this morning to check out, and may have some information to share. Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I tested it for hours and although I used the largest available buffer I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X and not in Windows XP with the dedicated software drivers. I'm glad I don't have to review it in a magazine because the marketing of it is partly misleading. But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might want to use it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable field recorder. I like it so much that I decided to buy one as a replacement for my old portable DAT recorder. And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - as a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the H4 with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth clarinet. Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the PCMCIA sound card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal set-up that sounds decently ok. Two instantly connected instruments of which one is electric and can be used for heavily distorted sounds that would not be possible with a microphone. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 01:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BF03BF04; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:22:44 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Ha! Very cool. Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any problems getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 > >> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as a >> great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in effects I >> haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface mode), and the >> other features make it ideal for collecting found-sounds or putting >> together rough song ideas on the fly. The built-in stereo condenser >> mic has really impressed me so far. I expected it to pretty much >> suck for the price, but I've been getting some excellent acoustic >> guitar recordings with it. >> >> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it along. >> >> --Josh > > > Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this > morning to check out, and may have some information to share. > Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the software > drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather say that the > H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I tested it for hours > and although I used the largest available buffer I could not get a > clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X and not in Windows XP with > the dedicated software drivers. I'm glad I don't have to review it in > a magazine because the marketing of it is partly misleading. > > But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that audio > interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording and the > effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might want to use > it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also awesome as a USB2 > based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable field recorder. I > like it so much that I decided to buy one as a replacement for my old > portable DAT recorder. > > And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - as a > mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the H4 with > one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth clarinet. Then I > put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the PCMCIA sound card Echo > Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal set-up that sounds decently > ok. Two instantly connected instruments of which one is electric and > can be used for heavily distorted sounds that would not be possible > with a microphone. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 03:27:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1803BEFB; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046c01c70478$26e077a0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #3 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:27:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0469_01C7043D.79965540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0469_01C7043D.79965540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html I have several Sunday performance recordings almost ready to send to = their owners as well for approval. "Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, = October 21 Ghost7 Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/fja8vsqd8s.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/qi1l74oaf8.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/sitiaabj0n.mp3 Artis the Spoonman Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/8ct498120q.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/upcazeyyht.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/kuxqrehuj7.mp3 Wally Schnalle http://www.box.net/public/static/mo55ye89t0.mp3 Rainer Straschill Rick is God (!Fractal) - http://www.box.net/public/static/varf7aeq82.mp3 The Streets - http://www.box.net/public/static/4tx2619uy9.mp3 Parallel Realities (f=FCr Caro) - = http://www.box.net/public/static/x4eq973fvk.mp3 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0469_01C7043D.79965540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are the newest additions to the = Y2K6 MP3 page:=20 http://www.y2k6loopfest.com= /mp3.html
 
I have several Sunday performance recordings almost ready to send = to their=20 owners as well for approval.

"Y2K6 International Live = Looping=20 Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, October=20 21
 
Ghost7
 
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fja8vsqd8s.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/qi1l74oaf8.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/sitiaabj0n.mp3
 
Artis the = Spoonman
 
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/8ct498120q.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/upcazeyyht.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/kuxqrehuj7.mp3
 
 
Wally = Schnalle
 
http://www.box.n= et/public/static/mo55ye89t0.mp3
 
Rainer = Straschill
 
Rick is God (!Fractal) - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/varf7aeq82.mp3
The Streets - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/4tx2619uy9.mp3
Parallel Realities (f=FCr Caro) - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/x4eq973fvk.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0469_01C7043D.79965540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 03:51:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5FD33BEEC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K6 MP3s Update #3 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:51:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C70438.63F21E40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <046c01c70478$26e077a0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <67UQlC.A.aUC.lc_UFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:51:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C70438.63F21E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You are a Prince among Plebes. Seriously, Thanks for all your effort in helping to make this years loopfest so great. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #3 Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html I have several Sunday performance recordings almost ready to send to their owners as well for approval. "Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, October 21 Ghost7 Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/fja8vsqd8s.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/qi1l74oaf8.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/sitiaabj0n.mp3 Artis the Spoonman Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/8ct498120q.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/upcazeyyht.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/kuxqrehuj7.mp3 Wally Schnalle http://www.box.net/public/static/mo55ye89t0.mp3 Rainer Straschill Rick is God (!Fractal) - http://www.box.net/public/static/varf7aeq82.mp3 The Streets - http://www.box.net/public/static/4tx2619uy9.mp3 Parallel Realities (für Caro) - http://www.box.net/public/static/x4eq973fvk.mp3 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C70438.63F21E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 are a Prince among Plebes. Seriously, Thanks for all your effort in = helping=20 to make this years loopfest so great. 
 Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, = 2006=20 7:27 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Y2K6 MP3s Update #3

Here are the newest additions to the = Y2K6 MP3=20 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com= /mp3.html
 
I have several Sunday performance recordings almost ready to send = to=20 their owners as well for approval.

"Y2K6 International Live = Looping=20 Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, October=20 21
 
Ghost7
 
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fja8vsqd8s.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/qi1l74oaf8.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/sitiaabj0n.mp3
 
Artis the = Spoonman
 
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/8ct498120q.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/upcazeyyht.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/kuxqrehuj7.mp3
 
 
Wally = Schnalle
 
http://www.box.n= et/public/static/mo55ye89t0.mp3
 
Rainer = Straschill
 
Rick is God (!Fractal) - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/varf7aeq82.mp3
The Streets - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/4tx2619uy9.mp3
Parallel Realities (f=FCr Caro) - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/x4eq973fvk.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C70438.63F21E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 05:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B433BEB2; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "matt davignon" Subject: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:43:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0493_01C70450.721FCD10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3Itex.A.dRF.3FBVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:43:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0493_01C70450.721FCD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next week on business. Is = there anything interesting going on that week in terms of looping? = Anyone playing nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook and = mandolin. Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next Thursday? Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0493_01C70450.721FCD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going to be in Palo Alto, = California all next=20 week on business. Is there anything interesting going on that week in = terms of=20 looping? Anyone playing nearbye? I thought about bringing my = notebook and=20 mandolin.
 
Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage = Store next=20 Thursday?
 
Kris
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0493_01C70450.721FCD10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 05:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFBC3BF02; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: FgbdmJUVM1l50QNpftG1yw4mUwPZU1RkmIDRqdh3o829.cVAldn3PnCcsbktlrpcWCNu3XuYYZpdJ.Bu.QSy1JGyVJgrUarhc_RhbOS4ulGVUjH1inzObQ-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <044b15791599e586f16c41fbb30bacf4@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:47:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:47:48 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing in Bakersfield Thursday night......a short 3 hour drive..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next week on business. Is = =20 > there anything interesting going on that week in terms of looping? =20 > Anyone playing nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook=A0and =20 > mandolin. > =A0 > Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next Thursday? > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0 > = ***********************************************************************=20= > *** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: =20 > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 05:55:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 232E23BEEE; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: i6AXTKMVM1mOYaxbSd7QPB0NAmyhKpardd6OGYE9P2BH7rbk1WCTRZ2VDKZXzU7DKd34kkOJV2eT2ATFoCGmrGclwxAXhsgHICBwpLV8CGbb_KuwNQ7vIA-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <044b15791599e586f16c41fbb30bacf4@pfmentum.com> References: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <044b15791599e586f16c41fbb30bacf4@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:55:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Well, maybe 5 hours..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I'm playing in Bakersfield Thursday night......a short 3 hour =20 > drive..... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next week on business. =20= >> Is there anything interesting going on that week in terms of looping? = =20 >> Anyone playing nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook=A0and =20= >> mandolin. >> =A0 >> Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next Thursday? >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> =A0 >> = **********************************************************************=20= >> **** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> Performance Calendar: =20 >> http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 06:10:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C503BF05; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 22:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:10:17 +0000 (UTC) I am totally there dude. i'll just call my band leader, tell him I'm bailing on the fat corporate gig that night, get on a greyhound bus, and get on down to Bakersfield, to catch Jeff Kaiser.. Git Er Done!!! BillyBob Walker -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Well, maybe 5 hours..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I'm playing in Bakersfield Thursday night......a short 3 hour > drive..... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next week on business. >> Is there anything interesting going on that week in terms of looping? >> Anyone playing nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook and >> mandolin. >>   >> Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next Thursday? >>   >> Kris >>   >>   >> ********************************************************************** >> **** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> Performance Calendar: >> http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 07:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F38B3BEE8; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:47:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Nandor Subject: Howdy / RC-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:48:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm new to this list. I've been considering getting into looping just for the fun of it. I want to start small, plus, be able to drag it around easily, so I figure the RC-2 is a good start. I read up on all the info you've mentioned here, which confirmed my choice (and thanks for the link the manual; I couldn't find it on the other BOSS/Roland sites I looked for it). I am glad to see it is shipping (I had heard it might not be for awhile). I'm going to order one from my local music shop in a few days. Thanks, -- Chris Nandor tunes@pudge.net http://pudge.net/tunes/ Slashdot pudge@slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/ From mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 09:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 317 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:23:36 UTC Received: from bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.106]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD69E3BEDC for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.9]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:21:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:21:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 196.47.88.30 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:21:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.47.88.30] X-Originating-Email: [mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Reply-To: mrsmarianpadila01@yahoo.com.br From: "mrs marian padilla padilla" Subject: Dear beloved, Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:21:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 09:21:16.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[93117F10:01C704A9] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear beloved, I am Marian padilla from Kuwait. Married to Dr.Dan. Padilla who worked with Kuwait embassy in Nigeria for nine years before he died in the year 2005. We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we wereboth born again Christians. Since his death Decided not to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home,which the Bible is against. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of$20.5 Million us dollars with a security company. Presently, his money is still under the safe keeping of the security company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next three months due to my cancer problems. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke. Having known my condition, I decided to donate this fund to an organization or better still a God fearing individual that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a fellow that will use this fund on orphanages and widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that blessed is the hand that gives. I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don't want my husband's hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I dont want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reasons for taking this bold decision I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the blossom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace. I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and as well because of the presence of my husband's relatives around me always. I don't want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I will forward your personal information to my lawyer so that he will contact you as the legal owner of this fund before transferring the fund into your nominated Bank Account in your country. I will also issue you a letter of authority that will empower you as the original-beneficiary of this fund. I want you and your family to always pray for me because the lord is my shepherd. My happiness is that I lived worthy life as a God fearing person. Whoever that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I stated here in. Once I hear from you I will give to you a lawyer that I have contacted to take care of this transaction, personal contact as to get in touch with him and know what is required of you, as to be able to do the needed things. Hoping to read from you as soon as possible. Remain blessed in the name of God the most High. God Bless . Mrs Marian Padilla. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 From mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 09:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669563BEE7 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.4]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:18:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:18:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 196.47.88.30 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:18:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.47.88.30] X-Originating-Email: [mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Reply-To: mrsmarianpadila01@yahoo.com.br From: "mrs marian padilla padilla" Subject: Dear beloved, Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:18:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 09:18:16.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[277B3AC0:01C704A9] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear beloved, I am Marian padilla from Kuwait. Married to Dr.Dan. Padilla who worked with Kuwait embassy in Nigeria for nine years before he died in the year 2005. We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we wereboth born again Christians. Since his death Decided not to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home,which the Bible is against. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of$20.5 Million us dollars with a security company. Presently, his money is still under the safe keeping of the security company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next three months due to my cancer problems. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke. Having known my condition, I decided to donate this fund to an organization or better still a God fearing individual that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a fellow that will use this fund on orphanages and widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that blessed is the hand that gives. I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don't want my husband's hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I dont want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reasons for taking this bold decision I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the blossom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace. I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and as well because of the presence of my husband's relatives around me always. I don't want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I will forward your personal information to my lawyer so that he will contact you as the legal owner of this fund before transferring the fund into your nominated Bank Account in your country. I will also issue you a letter of authority that will empower you as the original-beneficiary of this fund. I want you and your family to always pray for me because the lord is my shepherd. My happiness is that I lived worthy life as a God fearing person. Whoever that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I stated here in. Once I hear from you I will give to you a lawyer that I have contacted to take care of this transaction, personal contact as to get in touch with him and know what is required of you, as to be able to do the needed things. Hoping to read from you as soon as possible. Remain blessed in the name of God the most High. God Bless . Mrs Marian Padilla. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 09:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.219]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F1D3BEE7 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.21]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:20:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 196.47.88.30 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:19:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.47.88.30] X-Originating-Email: [mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrs_marian_padil07@hotmail.com Reply-To: mrsmarianpadila01@yahoo.com.br From: "mrs marian padilla padilla" Subject: Dear beloved, Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:19:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 09:20:01.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[662826C0:01C704A9] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear beloved, I am Marian padilla from Kuwait. Married to Dr.Dan. Padilla who worked with Kuwait embassy in Nigeria for nine years before he died in the year 2005. We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we wereboth born again Christians. Since his death Decided not to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home,which the Bible is against. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of$20.5 Million us dollars with a security company. Presently, his money is still under the safe keeping of the security company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next three months due to my cancer problems. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke. Having known my condition, I decided to donate this fund to an organization or better still a God fearing individual that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a fellow that will use this fund on orphanages and widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that blessed is the hand that gives. I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don't want my husband's hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I dont want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reasons for taking this bold decision I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the blossom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace. I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and as well because of the presence of my husband's relatives around me always. I don't want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I will forward your personal information to my lawyer so that he will contact you as the legal owner of this fund before transferring the fund into your nominated Bank Account in your country. I will also issue you a letter of authority that will empower you as the original-beneficiary of this fund. I want you and your family to always pray for me because the lord is my shepherd. My happiness is that I lived worthy life as a God fearing person. Whoever that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I stated here in. Once I hear from you I will give to you a lawyer that I have contacted to take care of this transaction, personal contact as to get in touch with him and know what is required of you, as to be able to do the needed things. Hoping to read from you as soon as possible. Remain blessed in the name of God the most High. God Bless . Mrs Marian Padilla. _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 10:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9618E3BEF3; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=C3hI5lxpNxNsBI74WH0HNcy3tyc4VW+pMz+1iCfnTYJbXK91scdmSeZzM7RceT9DTekelWJNENLsLD0L/qXB6d/xvAT+OYvr0mUe7PTUNvoFt8hpo7P6X8qyDNdz5zRBN4oR4BI7CCQ8jb2KP8OZyEXgTIU/NBQIT0AsjIyjK5A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:45:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes, of course. By writing "the dedicated software drivers" I meant the "H4 ASIO Driver Version 1.0.0.1". AFAIK there are no other drivers for H4 (I tried ASIO4ALL but it did not detect the hardware, but on Mac the OS X took care of it right away, although still with tiny audio artifacts) . I'm hoping an update to the ASIO driver is due soon... ;-) per On 10 nov 2006, at 02.22, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Ha! Very cool. > > Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any problems > getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... > > --Josh > > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 >> >>> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works >>> as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in >>> effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface >>> mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting found- >>> sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. The >>> built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far. I >>> expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been >>> getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. >>> >>> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it >>> along. >>> >>> --Josh >> >> >> Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this >> morning to check out, and may have some information to share. >> Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the >> software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather >> say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I >> tested it for hours and although I used the largest available >> buffer I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X >> and not in Windows XP with the dedicated software drivers. I'm >> glad I don't have to review it in a magazine because the marketing >> of it is partly misleading. >> >> But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that >> audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording >> and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might >> want to use it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also >> awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable >> field recorder. I like it so much that I decided to buy one as a >> replacement for my old portable DAT recorder. >> >> And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - >> as a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the >> H4 with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth >> clarinet. Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the >> PCMCIA sound card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal >> set-up that sounds decently ok. Two instantly connected >> instruments of which one is electric and can be used for heavily >> distorted sounds that would not be possible with a microphone. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 14:21:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DABE3BEEE; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,409,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="309660195:sNHT27504952" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <077156609ddb22ee37e0989ee36b0985@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clark Starr Subject: Re: new boomerang/ nyc pedalboards Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:20:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.45548A4D.00AD,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.121/2006-09-27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:21:15 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 8, 2006, at 9:49 PM, john floridis wrote: > two questions- > > 1/ any news on the newer version of the boomerang? > > I wrote them about a week ago and go the following: "Hi Clark, Thanks for you inquiery. We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo chorus/delay pedal in late Jan 07. The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for real time control of parameters. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as auto fade out, metronome, etc. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new functions. It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which lists for $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. There will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops. Lynne @ BMP" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 14:33:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89C473BEF7; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <077156609ddb22ee37e0989ee36b0985@mac.com> References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> <077156609ddb22ee37e0989ee36b0985@mac.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:32:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: new boomerang/ nyc pedalboards Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1048953317==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120328ead97398dde09e2af7a07df35cdd7442cba75f536f62c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.120.11.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:33:02 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1048953317==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >"Hi Clark, >Thanks for you inquiery. We will be releasing a new looper, the >Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo >chorus/delay pedal in late Jan 07. > >The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for >real time control of parameters. The looper will have true stereo >recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, >multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or unsynched, >and a slew of "utility" features such as auto fade out, metronome, >etc. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as >intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to >explore the new functions. It will be about half the size of the >Rang(TM) Plus which lists for $599. Right now it looks like the list >price will be about $539. There will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, >and no permanent storage of loops. > >Lynne @ BMP" OOOPS!!!!!! Sounded so nice up to there.... -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1048953317==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: new boomerang/ nyc pedalboards

"Hi Clark,
Thanks for you inquiery. We will be releasing a new looper, the Rang(TM) III, AND a stereo
chorus/delay pedal in late Jan 07.
The effects pedal has 11 presets and an expression pedal jack for real time control of parameters. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as auto fade out, metronome, etc. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new functions. It will be about half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus which lists for $599. Right now it looks like the list price will be about $539. There will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops.

Lynne @ BMP"


OOOPS!!!!!!

Sounded so nice up to there....



--
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1048953317==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 14:53:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8B53BEF4; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04b801c704d8$0669ea00$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Howdy / RC-2 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:53:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Yep, I think it's a great little starter unit. I plan to use it today for the first time at my koto,cello,guitar trio rehearsal.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nandor" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Howdy / RC-2 > I'm new to this list. I've been considering getting into looping just for > the fun of it. I want to start small, plus, be able to drag it around > easily, so I figure the RC-2 is a good start. > > I read up on all the info you've mentioned here, which confirmed my choice > (and thanks for the link the manual; I couldn't find it on the other > BOSS/Roland sites I looked for it). I am glad to see it is shipping (I > had > heard it might not be for awhile). I'm going to order one from my local > music shop in a few days. > > Thanks, > > -- > Chris Nandor tunes@pudge.net http://pudge.net/tunes/ > Slashdot pudge@slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 15:46:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0948C3BEEA; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m2ZKCBaSX17Y9u8yOH+Ht+BJdGcRsFJxmRpgqHRSggIJyZCE+HPJmbc6BILzvI5xw7dJ2n5ff4qwDN9tQzAQ/sEvu5meKfVZXs5cvtrWwJze9o3M0wTmEZJIG6454m1pz4TQOq85pFhSAtLefI0uEigqK3s3FfyX8YRen0s7g2Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4553886A.7030904@mhorse.com> References: <839F3469-AA04-44D5-9E47-4FDBED1ADEE8@gmail.com> <4553886A.7030904@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: instrument photo gallery Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:46:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:46:43 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 9, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > nice work. One of my favorite sounds. I've been listening to a > Richard Crandell mbira recording a lot recently. Thanks. I have only heard a portion of that mbira album, but what I heard I liked. cheers BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 18:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10BB3BEF9; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1163182885.4554c32582c4a@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:21:25 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? References: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <049601c7048b$1f60c7b0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Krispen, My bandmate and I have an internet radio program on Tuesday (the 14th) night... we usually play some mp3's and do some improv... the show is from 6-10pm... at my place in Cupertino.. it's probably less than 30 minutes from where you will be.. let me know if you want to join us.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next week on business. Is there > anything interesting going on that week in terms of looping? Anyone playing > nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook and mandolin. > > Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next Thursday? > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 20:27:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1031C3BEFB; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4554E0BC.4000105@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:27:40 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ninjam open session References: <839F3469-AA04-44D5-9E47-4FDBED1ADEE8@gmail.com> <4553886A.7030904@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070508040603040503040608" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:27:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070508040603040503040608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to suggest an open Ninjam session at 8 p.m UTC (that's noon PSD) on Saturday and Sunday for anyone who can join in. I'll pop in if I can, if not then hopefully others can make some music. Once again, cpr's server: host address: 207.44.142.117:2050 user: privuser passwd: notsospecial Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------070508040603040503040608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm going to suggest an open Ninjam session at 8 p.m UTC (that's noon PSD) on Saturday and Sunday for anyone who can join in. I'll pop in if I can, if not then hopefully others can make some music.

Once again, cpr's server:

    host address: 207.44.142.117:2050
    user: privuser
    passwd: notsospecial

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

--------------070508040603040503040608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 20:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E519A3BF07; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cyErUcK97zvN05WnLyTCyraOOaIdXUqAlaMlJ+MiJ7rW5tvenIH3A2AgksRlv8s/gDmt4cX9IpLxMD+GVSJptBPDX/wCCbKmn86c7J7DNHJ7an3w8ISJINqMR55lsPBT2DbQRwG5rbpc6AFiP6LUOmm8nqIeh7FNUJT9Tq9abzI= ; Message-ID: <20061110205746.92564.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1163182885.4554c32582c4a@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm not doing any loop shows, but I'd sure love to meet you and buy you a beer (or other beverage of choice) as you were instrumental (pun intended) in helping me set up and configure my laptop looping system. I'd love to meet up with you (or any loopers in the area) this weekend for music or social times. Now that my part time job as wedding designer/planner (my own) is over, I finally have some time for this type of thing. Mark --- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Krispen, > > My bandmate and I have an internet radio program on > Tuesday (the 14th) night... > we usually play some mp3's and do some improv... the > show is from 6-10pm... at > my place in Cupertino.. it's probably less than 30 > minutes from where you will > be.. let me know if you want to join us.. :) > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > > I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next > week on business. Is there > > anything interesting going on that week in terms > of looping? Anyone playing > > nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook and > mandolin. > > > > Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next > Thursday? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > > Performance Calendar: > > > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > CD Baby Discography: > http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet > Messaging Program. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 21:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D223BF08; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fkDmh+KcMycJk8YB7KxzuotzUW2r4rCItk8UaPxnVwNvWY/ZrYH7WqLEtQehyXCksS8OEswPsOSf3Lj5fGXqwd6NvgUtyPb0ed6queOwPQf0OUehn2AmFDmoW+e/qiwjXdGH+7JN8tFwg9GZOFFhZZDubIiC10HNZK7HOcWXpY= ; Message-ID: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061110205746.92564.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi. My move away from dedicated gear to the land of a G5 and a toshiba laptop is pretty much complete, but there's one piece of gear that's still in question: A Lexicon MPX1 multieffects processor. Now, I love this thing, even though it's interface isn't the best. Sounds rich, clean and can do lots of interesting stuff. The problem? It doesn't seem to have a place in my world any longer. So much of what I'm doing is being generated by software. Pretty much everything except for my guitar and that's got all the processing I need being taken care of with a Boss VF-1. I guess my question would be, does it make sense to keep it and use it in some sort of effects loop of my MOTU 828? Has anyone tried this? Is latency too much of an issue? Does it make more sense to sell it and go for some sort of software package. Maybe one of the hybred hardware/software ones like the UAD-1? Will I get better performance/sound/flexibility this way? Thanks, Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 21:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E873BF14; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8B5A247B-53F0-4EC7-8E29-E6913E42D86A@tuninghawaii.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp provides 4 seconds for MS Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:16:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 21:16:17.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[76377C50:01C7050D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Nov 10, 3:12 PM EST Long Process Leads to Short Vista Sound By ALLISON LINN AP Business Writer SEATTLE (AP) -- Some musicians spend 18 months working on a whole album. At Microsoft Corp., that's how long it took to perfect just four seconds of sound. Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound - a soft da-dum, da-dumm, with a lush fade-out - that millions of computer users will hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, when they turn on computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista operating system. To set the right tone - clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," according to Microsoft's Steve Ball - the software maker recruited musician Robert Fripp. Fripp, best known for his work with the '70s rock band King Crimson, recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. Then, it was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings to suss out just the right few seconds.Fripp's involvement is not surprising. His occasional collaborator, Brian Eno, recorded sounds for Windows 95. Also, Ball, the Microsoft group program manager for WAVE - Windows Audio Visual Excellence - has in the past been Fripp's student and business partner. Ball, a self-proclaimed renaissance man who is both an engineer and a musician, considered the work of about 10 musicians for the project. Some of those people were influential in the final four seconds as well. Redmond-based Microsoft seriously debated several other sounds before settling on the final startup sound about three weeks ago. The rejects included a longer, lusher clip and a quick, techno-sounding piece. While many people liked an upbeat ditty with a clapping rhythm, it was eventually nixed for sounding too much like a commercial. Ball said the hand-clapping also seemed like too "human" a sound when paired with the new graphic for Vista. "There's nothing that's especially human about our new Windows animation," he said. The short startup clip that was eventually chosen is meant to evoke the rhythm of the words "Win-dows Vis-ta!" and Ball hopes the sound will serve as a calling card for the operating system. It also consists of four chords - one for every color in the new Windows graphic that appears as the sound plays. It's no coincidence that it's also four seconds long. There are a total of 45 Vista sounds that Microsoft has spent the last year and a half perfecting, including the dings you hear when you get a new e-mail, receive an error message, or log off your computer. Generally, these are more muted, less jarring variations of the prompts familiar to Windows XP users. If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds of sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as the e-mail alert will be played trillions of times in years to come. That's a lot of opportunity to annoy, offend - or, if the job is done right - please or appease computer users the world over. One major concern was that the startup sound not grow grating after a time. "You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, but it's a paradox to also say, 'Oh and by the way, we need people to love it the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear it,'" Ball said. That's one reason he was glad to have 18 months to choose the clips. "We had time to live with the music," Ball said. Still, for all the time Ball has spent on the sounds, he says one measure of success would be if people noticed them very little, if at all. Ball is the first to admit that the percussive beeps in past Windows versions could be jarring enough to bother nearby workers or interrupt others in a meeting. With the number of intrusive sounds from cell phones, handheld devices and other gadgets only increasing, that's something Ball and his colleagues were keen to avoid with Vista. "We want you to know they're there, and you would miss them if they were gone, but we would like them to be just barely noticeable, almost like they are part of the environment or part of your wallpaper," he said. "We want them in the background, rather than the foreground." © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 21:24:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF0A23BF10; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: V_GM_mMVM1lhnXb40edOloustQ3oErKeWgaZiF_OQrQolwExu0knvpJG16gaePF9UCRhVLfjvpbUakxJp.wFNvNr0ZV2rXzK066AKcxGv02wXgWm0fMCdg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:24:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:24:50 +0000 (UTC) What would be the purpose of using it in an effects loops? as part of =20= your DAW? Just curious, because, if there is a software solution, I'd =20= go that way....less boxes to carry through life....regarding the =20 UAD-1....what does it have that you want? Again, there are probably =20 software solutions out there, unless you really need to save CPU =20 cycles. For what it's worth, the only thing in my DAW rack now are a =20 couple of pre-amps and an 896...Everything else, eBay..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:11 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hi. > > My move away from dedicated gear to the land of a G5 > and a toshiba laptop is pretty much complete, but > there's one piece of gear that's still in question: > > A Lexicon MPX1 multieffects processor. > > Now, I love this thing, even though it's interface > isn't the best. Sounds rich, clean and can do lots of > interesting stuff. The problem? It doesn't seem to > have a place in my world any longer. So much of what > I'm doing is being generated by software. Pretty much > everything except for my guitar and that's got all the > processing I need being taken care of with a Boss > VF-1. > > I guess my question would be, does it make sense to > keep it and use it in some sort of effects loop of my > MOTU 828? Has anyone tried this? Is latency too much > of an issue? > > Does it make more sense to sell it and go for some > sort of software package. Maybe one of the hybred > hardware/software ones like the UAD-1? Will I get > better performance/sound/flexibility this way? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > _____________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 21:43:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36F953BF13; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=H0S809ossW+D3iLrGsmBsGvqPy1yyTC1ei17EW9J9s+n+eRZX+aTiIHe24yyfQnZtMsaBMVKKOB5JRNGf5xb/mNpREsSqMei8CEuXZXtLXMFNDKtiv98Px/TnG4OVOE4JaXIgEFc2rXXvUmlPONhvKZZN0xMIlEC6MgxKi4ODaU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:43:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:43:50 +0000 (UTC) nothing - I hate my rack gear. My "favorites" never were the gear, but the patches I set up with that gear. I simply leave it to collect dust (and eventually for me to place my laptop and coffee cup on to adopt a convenient posture while working on duplicating my favorite effect patches in software, briefly looking out the window every two hours to see if it's snow or leafs that are falling...) I borrowed an Eventide Eclipse for a month and have owned a Firworx for one and a half year and by studying them I found out which way to patch effect modules to get the sounds I like (just like changing the order of guitar pedals - they all sound different at other positions in the chain). Now computers have become powerful enough to handle it all in software. I don't have the money to buy the machine I actually would need for it, but since I know I can do it later I have started to work out a system that is small and easy to manage and play fluently with. My "system" is almost the same in hardware and software - it's more about "patches"; like how I like to connect for example two dual pitch shifters with a stereo delay and compressor. Etc etc... per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 22:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7153BF11; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <057701c70515$174b4750$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061110205746.92564.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:10:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Great idea. I have Wed and Thursday evenings of next week off. Where could we meet in the area? I'm not the best driver or good with directions, so the closer to Palo Alto the better. University Avenue would be a cool place..lot's of action there. Too bad we can't crash a venue for a looping performance. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Any Looping Performances Going on Next Week in Palo Alto, CA? > I'm not doing any loop shows, but I'd sure love to > meet you and buy you a beer (or other beverage of > choice) as you were instrumental (pun intended) in > helping me set up and configure my laptop looping > system. I'd love to meet up with you (or any loopers > in the area) this weekend for music or social times. > Now that my part time job as wedding designer/planner > (my own) is over, I finally have some time for this > type of thing. > > Mark > > --- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >> Krispen, >> >> My bandmate and I have an internet radio program on >> Tuesday (the 14th) night... >> we usually play some mp3's and do some improv... the >> show is from 6-10pm... at >> my place in Cupertino.. it's probably less than 30 >> minutes from where you will >> be.. let me know if you want to join us.. :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> Quoting Krispen Hartung : >> >> > I'm going to be in Palo Alto, California all next >> week on business. Is there >> > anything interesting going on that week in terms >> of looping? Anyone playing >> > nearbye? I thought about bringing my notebook and >> mandolin. >> > >> > Matt, what's happeing at the Luggage Store next >> Thursday? >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************************************************** >> > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar >> > www.krispenhartung.com / >> www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> > Performance Calendar: >> > >> > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung >> > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> > Discography - >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> > CD Baby Discography: >> http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet >> Messaging Program. >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 23:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB363BF04; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EXiR1Vwq9TiE2zNRPZkHWGQkl8zr7l2B4TIQwVXJGcnDDcci6+8jz2qyRK3QncUGMzP5FTsMurzaygloJ+VI46cDrSFJEdUfu001x0WvOy+rd206zLvXes3dt0SkGo3GpaCqkmqq0Rga5YblxYDESbpDdCRszjbCA3Buq5eWxlI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611101504r76936581t5543089806022b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:04:58 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp provides 4 seconds for MS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8B5A247B-53F0-4EC7-8E29-E6913E42D86A@tuninghawaii.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Microsoft has a video clip of Fripp available for download: http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/1/c/81cdb151-0aae-4f50-ab44-654b5f7ae0db/Vista_Robert_Fripp_2005.wmv -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 23:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119663BF06; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:37:36 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c70521$3735c980$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20061110211105.45013.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AccFDLzhRoqFVsCiS3+1/iTCnB4y6gAEb/VQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:37:39 +0000 (UTC) > I guess my question would be, does it make sense to keep it > and use it in some sort of effects loop of my MOTU 828? Has > anyone tried this? Is latency too much of an issue? Don't know the MOTU or the Lexicon, but here's my take on this topic: I guess you are by now familiar with my laptop setup by now ;), but I'm still reflecting on the correct route to go, and with several things in mind: a) I want to further optimize my laptop-based setup so it's even quicker to set up and to transport in rough conditions, but still relatively easy to carry around. b) I need a new computer for my home use (at least for things that take up lots of processing power - like music and games). c) I could use some more processing power in my laptop setup. d) There are things I might think about regarding the use of outboard gear. e) My hardware setup does not collect dust, I just used it last week playing a ninjam with Daryl. f) I don't want to spend more money than necessary. So there would be several solutions: 1. Retain the laptop setup as is (perhaps optimizing the interface), and get a new computer for home use. Problem: very good in the f) department, but doesn't fulfil c) 2. Blow up the laptop setup with a powerful laptop Problem: isn't that cost-efficient (so not good in the f) department), doesn't give me the flexibility to custom-tailor my computer (especially for gaming, so b) won't be fulfilled) 3. Get an industry-style computer (rackmount case, 1HU keyboard/trackball solution) and mount it in a rack together with interfaces and perhaps peripherals. Currently, I like 3. the best. I could put it in one of the SKB Mini Gig Rigs, and with a 2HU case for the computer and 1 HU for the interface (like a Fireface800 (although quite expensive) or a combination of the existing Multiface and a QuadMic) and another HU for the keyboard/trackball combo, I'd still have 2HU in front at my disposal - which might house the Eclipse in an effects loop (connected via ADAT) and a Finalizer or DEQ2496 on the 2bus...or a combo of the (already existing) VF-1 and something else for preparing vocals (like a half-rack channel strip? or something digital which does the same?)...or whatever. Now I could mount the BCR2000 in the top somehow and a monitor in the lid...still need to think about that - did anyone actually go that route, with a TFT integrated in a rack setup? Another nice thing with the industry computer as an alternative to the laptop would be that you're able to use something which actually uses slots - like creamware hardware or the UAD-1 you mentioned (although I think I would be looking at the creamware thing). For the outboard gear: latency won't be that much of a problem if you can do the routing without actually entering the computer (i.e. in the interface). The RME stuff allows the mixer to be controlled by MIDI, so this could be done easily, as long as I'd only need the outboard gear to effect either the audio ins before they enter the computer or the 2bus before hitting the mains. There are things my Eclipse does which none of my software thingies does - at least not on my current computer while at the same time running Mobius, one software sampler, two to five software synths, four send effects, guitar amp simulation and countless insert effects... So again, not a great solution - but if someone could comment on the industry PC in rack system - viewscreen issue, I'd be delighted. Any ideas? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 23:56:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8532C3BF0F; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19-212180930 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Don't miss this! Recycle Collective first anniversary gig next week! Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:56:14 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:56:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19-212180930 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Loopists, Next Wednesday is the first anniversary of the Recycle Collective - =20 12 months of some of the most beautiful and deep improvised music =20 I've ever been involved with. It's introduced a heck of a lot of =20 listeners and musicians to some of the possibilities of looping, and =20 has given me an amazing place to try out many of the new features of =20 the Looperlative each month in a proper musical setting. This month's line-up is me on bass 'n' loops, cleveland watkiss on =20 voice 'n' loops and huw warren on piano/laptop/whatever other =20 weirdness he brings with him. Both incredible musicians - see =20 www.recyclecollective.com for more details, or www.myspace.com/=20 therecyclecollective for our myspace page. Should be lots of special =20 guests, and a marvellous time guaranteed for all. It's at Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, =20 London, EC1 4JZ, on Wednesday 15th November, doors at 7, music starts =20= at 8, tickets are =A37/=A35 concessions (MU/NUS/OAP/Unemployed). see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-19-212180930 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Loopists,=A0

Next Wednesday is the first = anniversary of the Recycle Collective - 12 months of some of the most = beautiful and deep improvised music I've ever been involved with. It's = introduced a heck of a lot of listeners and musicians to some of the = possibilities of looping, and has given me an amazing place to try out = many of the new features of the Looperlative each month in a proper = musical setting.=A0

This month's line-up is me = on bass 'n' loops, cleveland watkiss on voice 'n' loops and huw warren = on piano/laptop/whatever other weirdness he brings with him. Both = incredible musicians - see www.recyclecollective.com = for more details, or www.myspace.com/there= cyclecollective for our myspace page. Should be lots of special = guests, and a marvellous time guaranteed for all.=A0

It's at Darbucka World = Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ, on = Wednesday 15th November, doors at 7, music starts at 8, tickets are = =A37/=A35 concessions (MU/NUS/OAP/Unemployed).=A0

see you = there!=A0

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-19-212180930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 00:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39673BF05; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.151.114.73] Message-ID: <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:20:03 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <-PxTEC.A.CPD.8cRVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:20:12 +0000 (UTC) That's weird. I didn't notice any artifacts, but I haven't really run it through the ringer yet. I'll play with it some more and see if I can get it to reproduce your results. If so, I'm going to be all over Zoom to fix that as I bought it specifically because it could double as an interface and I need it to work. Thanks for the heads-up! --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, of course. By writing "the dedicated software drivers" I meant > the "H4 ASIO Driver Version 1.0.0.1". AFAIK there are no other drivers > for H4 (I tried ASIO4ALL but it did not detect the hardware, but on > Mac the OS X took care of it right away, although still with tiny > audio artifacts) . I'm hoping an update to the ASIO driver is due > soon... ;-) > > per > > > On 10 nov 2006, at 02.22, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> Ha! Very cool. >> >> Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any problems >> getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 >>> >>>> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works as >>>> a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in >>>> effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface >>>> mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting >>>> found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. The >>>> built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so far. I >>>> expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've been >>>> getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. >>>> >>>> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it >>>> along. >>>> >>>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this >>> morning to check out, and may have some information to share. >>> Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the >>> software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather >>> say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I >>> tested it for hours and although I used the largest available buffer >>> I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X and not >>> in Windows XP with the dedicated software drivers. I'm glad I don't >>> have to review it in a magazine because the marketing of it is >>> partly misleading. >>> >>> But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that >>> audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording >>> and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might >>> want to use it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also >>> awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable >>> field recorder. I like it so much that I decided to buy one as a >>> replacement for my old portable DAT recorder. >>> >>> And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - as >>> a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the H4 >>> with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth clarinet. >>> Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the PCMCIA sound >>> card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal set-up that >>> sounds decently ok. Two instantly connected instruments of which one >>> is electric and can be used for heavily distorted sounds that would >>> not be possible with a microphone. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>> http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 00:30:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B13F3BF0E; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.151.114.73] Message-ID: <455519A9.6040409@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:30:33 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp provides 4 seconds for MS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow! I heard about this on NPR today, and actually heard the clip, but I had no idea who it was. It is a cool sounding little clip and less intrusive, though perhaps not as catchy as the current start-up sound for XP IMHO. --Josh samba - wrote: > Nov 10, 3:12 PM EST > > Long Process Leads to Short Vista Sound > > By ALLISON LINN > AP Business Writer > > > > SEATTLE (AP) -- Some musicians spend 18 months working on a whole > album. At Microsoft Corp., that's how long it took to perfect just > four seconds of sound. > > Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound - a > soft da-dum, da-dumm, with a lush fade-out - that millions of computer > users will hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, > when they turn on computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows > Vista operating system. > > To set the right tone - clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," > according to Microsoft's Steve Ball - the software maker recruited > musician Robert Fripp. > > Fripp, best known for his work with the '70s rock band King Crimson, > recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the > project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. > Then, it was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings > to suss out just the right few seconds.Fripp's involvement is not > surprising. His occasional collaborator, Brian Eno, recorded sounds > for Windows 95. Also, Ball, the Microsoft group program manager for > WAVE - Windows Audio Visual Excellence - has in the past been Fripp's > student and business partner. > > Ball, a self-proclaimed renaissance man who is both an engineer and a > musician, considered the work of about 10 musicians for the project. > Some of those people were influential in the final four seconds as well. > > Redmond-based Microsoft seriously debated several other sounds before > settling on the final startup sound about three weeks ago. The rejects > included a longer, lusher clip and a quick, techno-sounding piece. > While many people liked an upbeat ditty with a clapping rhythm, it was > eventually nixed for sounding too much like a commercial. Ball said > the hand-clapping also seemed like too "human" a sound when paired > with the new graphic for Vista. > > "There's nothing that's especially human about our new Windows > animation," he said. > > The short startup clip that was eventually chosen is meant to evoke > the rhythm of the words "Win-dows Vis-ta!" and Ball hopes the sound > will serve as a calling card for the operating system. It also > consists of four chords - one for every color in the new Windows > graphic that appears as the sound plays. It's no coincidence that it's > also four seconds long. > > There are a total of 45 Vista sounds that Microsoft has spent the last > year and a half perfecting, including the dings you hear when you get > a new e-mail, receive an error message, or log off your computer. > Generally, these are more muted, less jarring variations of the > prompts familiar to Windows XP users. > > If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds > of sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as > the e-mail alert will be played trillions of times in years to come. > That's a lot of opportunity to annoy, offend - or, if the job is done > right - please or appease computer users the world over. > > One major concern was that the startup sound not grow grating after a > time. > > "You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, > but it's a paradox to also say, 'Oh and by the way, we need people to > love it the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear > it,'" Ball said. > > That's one reason he was glad to have 18 months to choose the clips. > > "We had time to live with the music," Ball said. > > Still, for all the time Ball has spent on the sounds, he says one > measure of success would be if people noticed them very little, if at > all. > > Ball is the first to admit that the percussive beeps in past Windows > versions could be jarring enough to bother nearby workers or interrupt > others in a meeting. With the number of intrusive sounds from cell > phones, handheld devices and other gadgets only increasing, that's > something Ball and his colleagues were keen to avoid with Vista. > > "We want you to know they're there, and you would miss them if they > were gone, but we would like them to be just barely noticeable, almost > like they are part of the environment or part of your wallpaper," he > said. "We want them in the background, rather than the foreground." > > © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 00:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA9B73BF06; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Da58JoQMdlAvU8xAURmZnKACOfO/A0waulYmXhkoCl91MlVVkd6ho1pMbj8n/z5+smu1jSiY3OJn+9bTmfgJfCYJuH5pB3hHwipTfwCN9M02CBp/xmWQgksOL2FRJF9tuMmwlgnhihZ3ZkDkPQP+xd4knRJrKWD4+QiPQBuxH2E= ; Message-ID: <20061111004001.80264.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:40:01 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c70521$3735c980$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3MITED.A.tgE.jvRVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:40:03 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > For the outboard gear: latency won't be that much of > a problem if you can do > the routing without actually entering the computer > (i.e. in the interface). See, that's the deal. The sound isn't coming from outside the computer so I'd be leaving the computer via a stereo pair and then returning via another stereo pair of my MOTU 828. I see what the other kids are saying though. Perhaps it is time I just sucked it up and moved on. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15C9C3BEF4; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mPczbgF8d5ov5EMAGufgD/0yz8vzPTWGT8wTwmT/ZKZ4n2GUfBTdUrUeJ6V0nmgEjCfsVRPcwraUjftFNZXzAUX+eZlN8nbdqMJ7ZWwoAGdw+Wwc8gyI5BpSHxWBgdEGhYzR5lKKZf0hBeGOiJ3/NLKS3XAt5KOk+QPoFonhGeU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:13:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5KDb8.A.usG.PPSVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:13:51 +0000 (UTC) You won't hear the artifacts when you play an audio input because your source audio is "leaking" through the ASIO direct monitoring and masking the drop-outs (the analog signal of the H4 is very good). Try to set up a long delay or reverb, in your audio application, with only wet sound (no direct instrument going through it). Then you can play something and stay silent and listen to what you just played coming back through the delay/reverb. I'm afraid it is not as much a driver issue as it is a USB2 protocol issue (for sound cards you should look for Firewire or PCI). But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! And I'm totally happy with using it as a pre amp, merge box and reverb unit before my laptop (with another "clean" audio interface). per On 11 nov 2006, at 01.20, Joshua Carroll wrote: > That's weird. I didn't notice any artifacts, but I haven't really > run it through the ringer yet. I'll play with it some more and see > if I can get it to reproduce your results. If so, I'm going to be > all over Zoom to fix that as I bought it specifically because it > could double as an interface and I need it to work. > > Thanks for the heads-up! > > --Josh > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> Yes, of course. By writing "the dedicated software drivers" I >> meant the "H4 ASIO Driver Version 1.0.0.1". AFAIK there are no >> other drivers for H4 (I tried ASIO4ALL but it did not detect the >> hardware, but on Mac the OS X took care of it right away, although >> still with tiny audio artifacts) . I'm hoping an update to the >> ASIO driver is due soon... ;-) >> >> per >> >> >> On 10 nov 2006, at 02.22, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >>> Ha! Very cool. >>> >>> Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any >>> problems getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 >>>> >>>>> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It >>>>> works as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some >>>>> built-in effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio- >>>>> interface mode), and the other features make it ideal for >>>>> collecting found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on >>>>> the fly. The built-in stereo condenser mic has really >>>>> impressed me so far. I expected it to pretty much suck for the >>>>> price, but I've been getting some excellent acoustic guitar >>>>> recordings with it. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass >>>>> it along. >>>>> >>>>> --Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up >>>> this morning to check out, and may have some information to >>>> share. Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface >>>> the software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would >>>> rather say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound >>>> card". I tested it for hours and although I used the largest >>>> available buffer I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on >>>> Mac with OS X and not in Windows XP with the dedicated software >>>> drivers. I'm glad I don't have to review it in a magazine >>>> because the marketing of it is partly misleading. >>>> >>>> But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that >>>> audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo >>>> recording and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some >>>> people might want to use it as a four track porta studio as >>>> well). H4 is also awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it >>>> rocks as a portable field recorder. I like it so much that I >>>> decided to buy one as a replacement for my old portable DAT >>>> recorder. >>>> >>>> And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig >>>> - as a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed >>>> the H4 with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth >>>> clarinet. Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the >>>> PCMCIA sound card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal >>>> set-up that sounds decently ok. Two instantly connected >>>> instruments of which one is electric and can be used for heavily >>>> distorted sounds that would not be possible with a microphone. >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>> http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B0D3BEF3; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WlY6tQTq3Rsar0j3wrD8S4nCWiiDdYQH4P3Qb/ajg3GHsXMgIzK+GV6XAYbsC8ahsWaESUEHSYTy+FRiz1cXgkOEN86C6cZNXV40f8YAGqiqZk16QXGEiLHmrSCw7GRUbQzoVtblkZnovSQb0cXhIF33bH5sOxvFSVfxHQz0IpQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:29:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:29:28 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! Does it come with windscreens for the microphones? I did not notice that in the product details. How do you find the recording in terms of "handling"? Is it overly sensitive to handling vibration and sudden directional changes? regards BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8AD3BF00; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t80w/bgLw2TywaM36w7hQd+UpgEFwHGVogG3Z7CsL6t+Z3oFywH6CtX4G0z3Mlsi/6x2IHEIPX5PMRAISTxEjzZA4IOJTxPsmWWY2gqrmVFIWEecE0oK+6mB408evbMTh2u8fyKspGn13/eyRQhApT0eFIxthACx1Ea3TPbo8RU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:42:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:42:49 +0000 (UTC) > On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! > On 11 nov 2006, at 02.29, RP Collier wrote: > Does it come with windscreens for the microphones? I did not notice > that in the product details. Yes. A little "foam ball" to wrap over the two mics. Size between a golf and tennis ball. > How do you find the recording in terms of "handling"? Is it overly > sensitive to handling vibration and sudden directional changes? As all sensitive microphones it is not wise to carry it by hand for the best recording result. It comes with a bottom plate for a tripod, but no tripod, and this is the way to place it if you want to make serious recordings in hifi. The stereo mic seems to be very good! I will use mine a lot as a hand held field recorder when doing interviews in noisy environments. Then I typically use the built-in compressor and record directly to 128 kbps mp3. Back home I pop in the USB cable and lift over the file to the Mac for listening writing it out as text. I've been hauling my powerbook for years when doing field interviews (set up Audio Hi-Jack with a low cut filter and Vintage Warmer directly on the built-in mic iinput) and for me the H4's portability is a huge pro. For example: I waited years before buying an iPod before I thought there might come one with recording capability - but as we know that never happened ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:47:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD05F3BF0A; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.151.114.73] Message-ID: <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:47:04 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080306040901030805060307" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <_TU6SB.A.xy.huSVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:47:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080306040901030805060307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it does come with a single foam "clown-nose" type windscreen that covers both mics. It is sensitive to handling, but not as bad as I had feared. It comes with an adapter so it can be connected to a camera tripod, so I bought a little "Gorillapod" and I try to use it whenever possible. It doesn't seem as sensitive to handling when I hold it by the tripod. --Josh RP Collier wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! > > > Does it come with windscreens for the microphones? I did not notice > that in the product details. > > How do you find the recording in terms of "handling"? Is it overly > sensitive to handling vibration and sudden directional changes? > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > > > --------------080306040901030805060307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it does come with a single foam "clown-nose" type windscreen that covers both mics.  It is sensitive to handling, but not as bad as I had feared.  It comes with an adapter so it can be connected to a camera tripod, so I bought a little "Gorillapod" and I try to use it whenever possible.  It doesn't seem as sensitive to handling when I hold it by the tripod.

--Josh


RP Collier wrote:

On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

 But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO!


Does it come with windscreens for the microphones? I did not notice that in the product details.

How do you find the recording in terms of "handling"? Is it overly sensitive to handling vibration and sudden directional changes?

regards

BobC



http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240
http://tinyurl.com/cr25j
http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier
http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo




--------------080306040901030805060307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581A23BF01; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.151.114.73] Message-ID: <45552BCC.40204@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:47:56 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <0ihTa.A.26.VvSVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Ha! You beat me to it. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: >> On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> But the H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! > > >> On 11 nov 2006, at 02.29, RP Collier wrote: > >> Does it come with windscreens for the microphones? I did not notice >> that in the product details. > > Yes. A little "foam ball" to wrap over the two mics. Size between a > golf and tennis ball. > > >> How do you find the recording in terms of "handling"? Is it overly >> sensitive to handling vibration and sudden directional changes? > > As all sensitive microphones it is not wise to carry it by hand for > the best recording result. It comes with a bottom plate for a tripod, > but no tripod, and this is the way to place it if you want to make > serious recordings in hifi. The stereo mic seems to be very good! > > I will use mine a lot as a hand held field recorder when doing > interviews in noisy environments. Then I typically use the built-in > compressor and record directly to 128 kbps mp3. Back home I pop in the > USB cable and lift over the file to the Mac for listening writing it > out as text. I've been hauling my powerbook for years when doing field > interviews (set up Audio Hi-Jack with a low cut filter and Vintage > Warmer directly on the built-in mic iinput) and for me the H4's > portability is a huge pro. For example: I waited years before buying > an iPod before I thought there might come one with recording > capability - but as we know that never happened ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B1C3BF17; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O21JXET6hY//u/ATDfBwkIi0wxmIjlyp1Vd6vxm2j1m6k/46PRwpHqI9a88Yro1W+QYa11LZo+nOrHWx50XrJPQukXsHER7BrAd5wB6dX7a9WsfVv//2GGJw8x2Ige3xgrt9w5Kg90vuN6OXQFZLzWgpH8FIObiGArf79GUObwg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <979A3F2D-653B-4AAE-A872-E548F5E1DD69@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:55:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:55:59 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > As all sensitive microphones it is not wise to carry it by hand for > the best recording result. Right, I was thinking in terms of those moments when you grab something to record with no chance to set up. I often like to take a snapshot approach to capture something that emerges on the fly. Sometimes cheaper condenser mics can be hyper sensitive to handling. I used the Zoom PS02 for years with good results and it was very dependable even though cheaply made. Thanks for the details. cheers BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 01:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCC43BF16; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nMm21m1qPpi4bqn5b+dAF5+T6cMHGwQW0Ii9VXhVo9GeMCC8jeY92AKnKJwccQ4tHllqGaeQpfImBPLG1uLRH95IrIzCg0mR2o5oP6zWyXfX9XUF3K7/5SCa6M2eee11rJCBcMdHZQqUMhC2IwXgtMBStWJbkFUxRCsW3GIdusE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <20827F37-450B-4EAB-B710-0D07B05D2D8A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:57:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:57:08 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > It doesn't seem as sensitive to handling when I hold it by the tripod. Thanks, it is nice to get an unfolding review of real usage. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 12:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79DD3BF01; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:06:09 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: laptop setup - which rack to use Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AccFicgJ2v64FUHKSG61A/5dI3sWyg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Thanks everyone (especially Paul via matrix mail) for their statements. I'd like to specify more closely my open questions - mainly which rack to use! I'll put my open questions at the bottom - please scroll down! Ok, I'll be going for a setup which mounts in a rack a) an industry pc b) interface hardware c) MMI hardware d) perhaps some "outcomputer" gear. a) will be a quite deep 2HU case (something like 450mm or slightly above). I'm still searching for the best one...I definitely will need at least * one external 5 1/4'' slot * two internal (or external) 3 1/2 slots * a sufficient amount of slots for extension cards (PCI and either AGP or PCIe) - sufficient? one for the graphics, at least two others b) this will be most probably 1HU. Currently, I'm looking at a combo of RME Fireface400 (simply cause of its standalone mixer possibilities) and a RME QuadMic (to have more than 2 mic ins). Any suggestions for alternatives to the Fireface will be considered. I'd like to have: 1. (at least) 4 micpres w/ phantom power 2. (at least) one pair of digital stereo I/O (SPDIF or AES/EBU) 3. (at least) one pair of ADAT I/O 4. (at least) one pair of MIDI I/O 5. if possible standalone mixer functionality If I decide to leave out (5), this will be fulfilled by a combo of my (existing) Multiface and a Quadmic or similar. c) This consists of 1. keyboard and mouse (or rather trackball): there are cool solutions in a 1HU drawer. 2. my Behringer BCR2000. 3. a TFT screen. Both of this is rather tricky. Perhaps (and that's just one idea): use an angled (L-style) rack: in the top 3 HU from the bottom: 1HU keyboard/mouse (1) 2HU rack cradle which houses the BCR2000 and the flange for the TFT stand somehow mount the TFT in the top lid when not playing (connected!) and mount it on the stand when playing. or use a rack with a top lid on hinges which can be fixed in an upright position and install the screen there even cooler! does this exist? Do you think this will work? Or will it even work with a 1HU rack cradle? d) I'm thinking about 1. gear on the 2bus (Finalizer) 2. gear for the mic in 3. gear for the guitar in 4. "outcomputer" effects 5. room for further expandability (1) is not that important, as I tend to produce a sound within the computer which is already relatively "FOH-ready". (2) here I could think about some analogue channel-strip-like thing, best with a feedback destroyer. Any ideas on a solution which is small (like half rack)? (3) this doesn't need to land in the rack necessarily - a floorboard would be much more practical here. So this is still a point of research. Still, if I put something in my rack, this would most probably be the Boss VF-1 which I have. (4) there is the latency issue going out and back in again...still, I might see a powerful 1HU send effect here (like my Eclipse). (5) ok, it still won't hurt to just leave 1HU if I ever decide to grow... In total, I would need: 0 HU for (1), 0, 1/2 or 1 HU for (2), 0 HU for (3), perhaps 1 HU for (4) and 1 HU for (5) - totalling in 1, 2 or 3 HU. SUMMARY: requirements for the rack Ok, I need: for a): 2HU for b): 1HU for c): 3HU (perhaps this works in 2HU?) for d): 2HU (or perhaps 3HU?) totalling in 8HU, which is still manageable, but not perfect... So I need an 8HU L-style rack with enough space to put the screen in the top lid - best would be a possibility to mount the lid in an upright angle to the rack or tilt it upright when the thing is in use...does something like this exist? OPEN QUESTIONS: * which kind of rack (see summary)? * perhaps some channel strip w/ feedback destroyer for the vocal channel (d2), 1/2 rack or full rack 1HU? * a nice case for the computer (a)? * something other than the RME stuff for fulfilling all of my requirements from (b)? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 12:23:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0163BF04; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tX0nT6Pt5bhzuJqIUn/GZ7v335WsKVPuogfl3C3WeOeBdafHD4Hkez7sXccT+EOWIXiDPHFWNwsvllZNLK69mPMD6i8tL7Z2SHbmcHiGBMHsW0De/++DDzdObaCkESnEhw1oVWKNVklTxtPE9nB4IifmACL6Q27dy96/ff8Oz+E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <979A3F2D-653B-4AAE-A872-E548F5E1DD69@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <98C93620-979F-4466-863D-DF9FC819B72C@gmail.com> <979A3F2D-653B-4AAE-A872-E548F5E1DD69@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BF81962-5196-4373-9E72-3E1942ED44F9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:23:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7UClT.A.6mF.5CcVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:23:21 +0000 (UTC) > On Nov 10, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> As all sensitive microphones it is not wise to carry it by hand >> for the best recording result. > On 11 nov 2006, at 02.55, RP Collier wrote: > Right, I was thinking in terms of those moments when you grab > something to record with no chance to set up. I often like to take > a snapshot approach to capture something that emerges on the fly. > Sometimes cheaper condenser mics can be hyper sensitive to handling. Every little move by the hand that holds the recorder sounds like someone dragging heavy furniture across the room upstairs. Just hold it firmly without moving any fingers and the recording will come out noiseless... not recommendable for recording longer than one minute ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 12:27:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7093BF04; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e8vX9vsoBAKh3kx9K+/7MiBnWCtxPvX26lcQ/j0jjKOALwCSQ+DQZ7tX762EsnbNfCkm02xdaziltbNvlBvpBUaERcsN+TsTZmru5M4OHQw/oidfD9Z4udwitwHQHi0Gv2ckY1HIofMKmaJYyH56w2AfNYo4GC1gIWVkrAv+WOg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F144396-484E-4314-8289-1CC4FD804666@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:26:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:27:03 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 02.47, Joshua Carroll wrote: > It comes with an adapter so it can be connected to a camera tripod, > so I bought a little "Gorillapod" and I try to use it whenever > possible. It doesn't seem as sensitive to handling when I hold it > by the tripod. Thanks for posting that link to the "Gorillapod"! When I saw that picture it dawned on me that I already own such a tripod for a cheap pc webcam. Wow, that's a good start on this day :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 13:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272E93BF07; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=T0B892jyzRY/U8VjMQ8nFX+6nKaqU1ALYM272eYJD4htcech6zm0/3menL3AOi0i6BiGjgxRNtZp1tI0CkgeRYOQ3yxS1n1Kf7nnCIEIeXCU0Hnt2LfsxNc2odoh9wFswiIQrkJC6I/y7ZblY8lF8Otc4XhWwBAQoureXPoZoSw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F805A69-351C-4187-8752-AF79972D1645@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:28:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-EJxTD.A.jH.DAdVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, Here's a different view. Have you considered not to go with a rack but with a Peli Case? The model used by me and Jeff Kaiser takes a lot of gear in one safe box. A picture here: http:// www.peliproducts.co.uk/CaseProducts/images/1650.jpg. Web link: http:// www.peliproducts.co.uk/cases.htm With modern laptop based performance rigs there really isn't many cables to connect to get your system up and running. I don't see that a rack is optimal for that, because the idea with a rack is that you should have everything patched up and ready to go - like on a normal tour. But fact is only normal artists go on normal tours (with transportation taken care of, tour leader etc). For people like us other aspects also weight in: You may go low budget with aircraft to a gig and need to take out some devices for your cabin luggage, to prevent damage or to match over weight or security regulations, that tend to differ between airlines and countries. You may also need to lock up your your precious gear safely after a gig with no backstage area and no provided safe gear deposit area provided by "the man" (maybe there is no "man" on those typical underground gigs, just a chaotic situation of busy people from whom you cant tell in the darkness who is working for the venue, who is drunk and looking for his girlfriend, who is next performer desperately hunting for a missing cable or who is a thief looking for something small and valuable to bring out under the coat). I find the Peli Case very practical: snap a locker on it after the gig and go for the bar, match air travel regulations on a shoestring, sit on it while waiting during travel, heck - we even had dinner on mine; using it as a table while sitting on the floor at Rome airport ;:-) When you buy a Peli Case you get it filled up with soft foam inside. This temporary foam is pre-perforated in small cubes that you can easily rip out to create larger blocks to fit in equipment. That way you can work out a design hands-on and when you are satisfied you order (or build by yourself if your are poor and handy) the final inside design in a harder foam that will last for decades. I guess you can also have many alternative interior design foam blocks to use the case with different content on different trips. I used to have this rack for touring some years ago http:// www.looproom.com/bilder/looping_rack.gif. I still have many outboard gear devices that I use for studio recordings, if I can afford the time to patch them up for a particular sound. The old stuff I keep are typically analog gadgets that are either not available as software or have a unique, intuitive although non-compatible interface for being used by the musician. One cool thing with the Peli Case: When you come strolling down the pavement with the box on wheels, using the telescope handle, no one can tell that you are a musician. You could as well be a NASA Chemist, a Scuba Diver or an Alien Terminator. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 15:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0CD83BEEC; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <074501c705a2$c5c0b490$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Video from "scratch guitarist" and looper Genie Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Here's a new video from "scratch guitarist" and looper Genie, who played at Y2K6 this year. I asked me to forward this along. I'll have his Y2K6 recording sent out this weekend some time, among others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > > http://currenttv.com/watch/16180242 > The renowned pioneer of "scratch guitar", The Genie blends blues, jazz, > electronica, bossa nova, latin and middle-eastern rhythms via slide > guitar, beatboxing, and live sampling, to create a visually stunning and > truly unique show. > > San Francisco Bay Guardian July 28-Aug 3 2004 > Making it from scratch > Mission homeboy-guitarist Luis Monterrosa, a.k.a. the Genie, plugs in and > blows up. > By Camille T. Taiara > ON A BALMY , late-summer night last year, during my first trip to the > Middle East, I discovered the most enchanting music. It was at the modest > apartment of a Palestinian artist and newfound friend who'd invited a > small group over for dinner. I'll never forget the moment: sipping on a > glass of arak and listening to the mesmerizing sounds emanating from > Mahmoud's paint-splattered boom box as I stared through open porch doors > at the vast Damascus skyline, with its miles of Soviet-style, concrete > buildings interrupted by the occasional mosque's green-lit minaret. The > musical score, I was later told, dated back thousands of years and had > been discovered in the Iraqi desert by a team of archaeologists who'd > translated it into modern-day notation. It was then performed by a > European symphony (they didn't know which). > "It conveys a profound solitariness, yet with the understanding that we're > part of something much bigger than our individual selves," I told another > guest at the time. > "You, my dear, are a Sufi," he responded. > Back home many months later, I popped a CD into my own boom box and was > taken back to that moment in Mahmoud's apartment. > The cultural references were different. Others might call the music's > spiritual message by another name - referring instead, perhaps, to > Buddhism's tenet that "all is one," or to American Indian spiritual > beliefs that what we in the modern West call God can be found in the earth > and sky and everything around us. > But listening to Luis Monterrosa's songs, it was evident: he's a Sufi too. > > Monterrosa, who goes by the stage name the Genie, is quickly becoming an > underground icon in San Francisco these days - playing at house parties, > galleries, cafés, and wherever else they'll give him a chance. His > instruments: a guitar, a sampler, and a mic. His technique: scratch > guitar, a term he made up to refer to his distinctive playing style. > "I make everything from scratch," he told me. "Also, I'm emulating > turntablism techniques." > The Genie usually begins by beat-boxing into a mic and looping the beat > into a sampler to set the percussive groundwork, then layering in a string > of guitar notes. This becomes the musical base over which he plays slide > guitar. His music comes off as a melodic fusion of hip-hop, Latin rock, > and electronica, and, in the case of "Grenada," even includes an element > of Southern twang. > The result is mesmerizing and, somehow, profoundly human - as if he were > giving sound to some intimate yet universal quality shared across time and > cultural divides. > With diverse cultural reference points and without much left by way of > family, the Guatemalan American Genie has developed a sense of > interconnectedness that doesn't rely merely on blood ties or a shared > history. And while he'll point to Prince, Metallica, and particularly > Carlos Santana as his earliest musical influences, supplemented in recent > years by local underground DJs (Shadow, QBert, Shortkut, and MixMaster > Mike), his is much more than a mere patchwork of styles. It's a reflection > of his political consciousness, extensive travels (to Palestine, Colombia, > and Brazil), and the lack of a psychological home. > In that sense, the Genie resembles a Mission District homeboy version of > Manu Chao - a globe-trotting musical nomad influenced by a profound > concern for social justice coupled with the insights garnered from > experiencing different perspectives, sensibilities, and ways of life. > Also like Chao, the Genie launched his solo career playing at Metro > stations - albeit in Montreal two years ago rather than in Paris during > the mid-1980s. Then one day he spied a flyer for the Montreal DMC/Technics > World DJ Championships turntable competition at the venerable Club Soda. > "I just crashed it," he recalled. "And someone who was supposed to perform > couldn't, so they were down for me to play." > The Genie's unique performance caught the attention of DJ Horg, one of the > competition's judges, who signed him on for a record deal. The result was > Rebel Music (High Life Music), the Genie's first album, which comprises > seven original instrumentals. > Appropriately, the album opens with an excerpt from Frontiers of Fears and > Dreams, Mai Masri's 2001 documentary about two young Palestinian girls: > "My dream is to one day find a lamp with a genie inside who would turn me > into a bird so I could fly away," Mona Zaaroura, a 13-year-old from the > Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon, says in Arabic. > Now the album's made its way to San Francisco, and the Genie is > celebrating with an album-release party at StudioZ.tv that includes > collaborations with Afro-Brazilian contemporary choreographer Paco Gomes > and local vocalist Panacea, as well as an invitation for local rappers to > freestyle at an open mic at the end of the night. > "Watch, this vato's gonna blow up in a year or two," local Chicano > filmmaker Pepe Urquijo told me after the Genie played a set in Urquijo's > living room during the latter's birthday party back in 2002. > He was right. > But to the Genie, it's not about that. It's about consciousness - about > recognizing that we're all part of a greater whole, and struggling to > create a more just, egalitarian, and humane world. > "I'm trying to reach people on an emotional level, more through their > souls than through their brain," he said. > The Genie plays, with David Molina and special guests, Thurs/29, > > Montreal Mirror Noisemakers 2004 > > ARCHIVES: Jan 08-14.04 Vol. 19 No. 29 > > > > > Out of the bottle > Your wish is the Genie's command > > by SCOTT C > The first time I saw the Genie perform, I simply wasn't prepared for the > spectacle. Using an electric guitar, a multi-effects foot pedal and a > microphone, he was able to create a layered mish-mash of riffs, licks and > tricks, backed by a looped beat box - all in a matter of 25 seconds, live > on stage. He built track after track of weaving hip hop instrumentalism > laced with guitar and sampled guitar byproducts while a mystified audience > looked on with head-nodding appreciation. > The Genie is Luis Monterrosa, a passionate, socially aware San Francisco > expatriate who turned a lot of heads in this city when he bum-rushed the > 2002 DMC Championships and gave the audience an unexpected treat. Ever > since then, he's been playing around Montreal, blowing people away with > his on-the-fly productions. > The Genie recently recorded the album Rebel Music, with the aid of > Montreal's High Life Music and his good friend DJ Horg, an album that > attempts to capture the essence of his live show. The album is a testament > to the globetrotting tendencies of this talented musician, who clearly > tries to impart a piece of his travels into every song. Upcoming projects > include a DVD, a live album, and collaborations with the many people the > Genie has been blessed to meet along the way. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 15:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A1B3BF0B; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LEuWScQ/Hbf/U4tXKXb6QJAUGXoFhzqNFe/8z/5ihfYpalMOrycuBVS8k7aVK0+7mSPecwCOLoeQyX9dr7C62mTbuxebNOWDhd+9LdaHz8JbGkCj9ls5gCjDuGAMdvEF/I8xveoI5g+rycQiSXN3VLlJRI1MbW+iufaZETM0/EI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:20:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:20:36 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 13.06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > RME > Fireface400 An alternative could be the new PreSonus FireStudio. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2006/PreSonus-FireStudio-Ships.html I have not tested it yet, but from what I've heard it has a better line-in level for playing a guitar directly into the machinery without using any special outboard pre-amp (BTW, I have a new Zoom H4 that - when used as a line box instead of audio interface - gives an excellent guitar input together with an XLR mic input. Yeah, I know this is not for you Rainer because you need more inputs) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 15:40:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87DB53BF05; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07a901c705a7$b784f5d0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #4 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:40:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07A6_01C7056D.0A5C6530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:40:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07A6_01C7056D.0A5C6530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html I highly recommend Amy X...she put on a great show....very talented, = witty, and well-put together material....a real breath of fresh air = amidst most of the stuff the rest of us do. I hope she continues to = perform at Y2K events in the future. Amy X Part I on the way... Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/fhftxapba1.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/zqtrt8rhhp.mp3 Part V - http://www.box.net/public/static/zaljsbbgod.mp3 Part VI - http://www.box.net/public/static/a3o9g4s2dd.mp3 Genie Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/33u9ddlgqs.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/f3ch9kzvzs.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/2shl3aqkmh.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/drnk98zv38.mp3 Part V - http://www.box.net/public/static/agn8ns1oe7.mp3 Part VI - http://www.box.net/public/static/2n1qp5ujpb.mp3 CRAIG McCOLLOUGH Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/5q80djjhs4.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/h7dfa2hk8c.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/rmkrrk15uz.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/f2gzava1lc.mp3 Part V - http://www.box.net/public/static/220ydl62yz.mp3 CHRIS ROBERTS/ROSS ARTESE Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/fol6lcrtmi.mp3 Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/b7hmgvpyz3.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_07A6_01C7056D.0A5C6530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are the newest additions = to the Y2K6=20 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loop= fest.com/mp3.html
 
I highly recommend Amy X...she put on a great show....very = talented, witty,=20 and well-put together material....a real breath of fresh air amidst most = of the=20 stuff the rest of us do. I hope she continues to perform at Y2K events = in the=20 future.
 
Amy = X
Part I on the way...
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fhftxapba1.mp3
Part IV - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/zqtrt8rhhp.mp3
Part V - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/zaljsbbgod.mp3
Part VI - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/a3o9g4s2dd.mp3
 = ;
Genie
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/33u9ddlgqs.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/f3ch9kzvzs.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/2shl3aqkmh.mp3
Part IV - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/drnk98zv38.mp3
Part V - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/agn8ns1oe7.mp3
Part VI - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/2n1qp5ujpb.mp3
CRAIG = McCOLLOUGH
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/5q80djjhs4.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/h7dfa2hk8c.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/rmkrrk15uz.mp3
Part IV - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/f2gzava1lc.mp3
Part V - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/220ydl62yz.mp3
 
CHRIS ROBERTS/ROSS=20 ARTESE
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fol6lcrtmi.mp3
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/b7hmgvpyz3.mp3
 
 
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Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_07A6_01C7056D.0A5C6530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 16:09:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14D33BF16; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Z+RoyK4uei93uBnn0k3J7MNvDkuk2q1piCTBySGH3c/OT8qW9unZcMR/N2oV6vWh8Awk1v+o5qYT/vBs4tdqOyX1hKgpoMuW88Kr+io6ZeEsGEFJ8wR4Skt+i1u8ej0jCKR8h8F/DzKjdEBqK3XMg/Xl8RcWHBkdnjYIjeToDys= In-Reply-To: <07a901c705a7$b784f5d0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07a901c705a7$b784f5d0$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73180355-E2AD-4211-A26D-DD7B55C42582@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #4 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:08:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:09:01 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 16.40, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http:// > www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html Hey - Kris, you rock a bunch of piled mountains!!!! ;-)) Thank you for this awesome documentation! per (non native English speaker) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 16:31:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2433BED9; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061111110342.01a591b8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:31:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use In-Reply-To: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0nIl7.A.UXH.VrfVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, for computer cases you might check out casetronics, They make quite a variety of rackmount computer cases. Sounds to me like you should look at the sliding drawer type of solution for your keyboard and monitor. I think the monitor folds in over the keyboard when closed, slides out and flips up for viewing. The only drawback to this when I considered it is the potential of blocking your other equipment. For interfaces you might look at the motu traveler or the Mackie 400f. Both of them have 4 mic preamps and can act as standalone mixers without the computer. The mackie unit looks real interesting, it has insert points for the four mics for external processors before going to the ad/da convertors, and seems to have pretty flexible in and out routing options. There's one on ebay right now in British Columbia for a good price (529 US) The traveler I can't speak to though I think some people here have them. I thought it was a bit odd that the midi connections were on the side and it seemed to me to be very awkward to get them. Gator makes a large variety of racks, they may have a configuration that works for you http://www.gatorcases.com/ my .02, I'll be interested to see what solution you come up with. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 07:06 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: >Thanks everyone (especially Paul via matrix mail) for their statements. I'd >like to specify more closely my open questions - mainly which rack to use! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 16:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE02A3BF04; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:33:37 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c705af$266dbc50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <5F805A69-351C-4187-8752-AF79972D1645@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AccFlUsBpBdPdNE1SJ2PTEPzqC/RYQAGPMbw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, first: I assume the peli cases are the ones you brought to y2k6loopfest? the rack vs. a quick setup: apart from the cables connected issue (which, dependant on which way I go with outboard gear and interfaces, might end up with a dozen connections within the rack (not counting in power wiring), which still sums up to like 10 minutes and less problems with cable failures. However, the idea here started with the fact that I don't like laptops that much if I can work around it, for several reasons: 1. mechanical stability (while the "computer" part of the laptop might stay ok if it drops from your table to the floor, you risk some jacks getting broken or damage to the display). 2. less flexibility than a normal computer 3. price Of course, lugging around a normal computer desktop or tower case doesn't make that much sense, so the solution: 19'' rack case. Now if I have this case, why not put the other rack-mountable gear in a rack? The FireStudio looks like a cool idea as well, especially as this big thing with 8 micpres costs about the same as a Fireface400. Still, it doesn't have standalone mixer capabilities, does it? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 17:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17283BEF3; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.133.148.227] Message-ID: <4556080A.2010505@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:27:38 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <1493BDB6-C843-42A3-84E2-A7B0179F9258@gmail.com> <45552B98.7060205@infinivert.com> <1F144396-484E-4314-8289-1CC4FD804666@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1F144396-484E-4314-8289-1CC4FD804666@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0647-0, 11/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <6aiggC.A.VlB.UggVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) No problem! I've gotten plenty use out of mine. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 11 nov 2006, at 02.47, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> It comes with an adapter so it can be connected to a camera tripod, >> so I bought a little "Gorillapod" and I try to use it whenever >> possible. It doesn't seem as sensitive to handling when I hold it by >> the tripod. > > > Thanks for posting that link to the "Gorillapod"! When I saw that > picture it dawned on me that I already own such a tripod for a cheap > pc webcam. Wow, that's a good start on this day :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 17:37:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2FC3BED9; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DL7xclS91qeM39rHxjaS53CTB1S0Dj85q9YST6yxJlxSEcI08JiHxbbCBZnxr14HPbJXfTWY+UjhD8vjgWWTLvN/Xm7PSRTE9JBSinVa3nJdKyZfMbKfCKd/UbJUcfV7EoFFRoqYAShMYGyqrmlSWGgOR+tlRh6ts2AkgZum3dc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000601c705af$266dbc50$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c705af$266dbc50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:37:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-Xv7BC.A.O6B.RpgVFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:37:22 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 17.33, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hey Per, > > first: I assume the peli cases are the ones you brought to > y2k6loopfest? Correct. > the rack vs. a quick setup: apart from the cables connected issue > (which, > dependant on which way I go with outboard gear and interfaces, > might end up > with a dozen connections within the rack (not counting in power > wiring), > which still sums up to like 10 minutes and less problems with cable > failures. > > However, the idea here started with the fact that I don't like > laptops that > much if I can work around it, for several reasons: > 1. mechanical stability (while the "computer" part of the laptop > might stay > ok if it drops from your table to the floor, you risk some jacks > getting > broken or damage to the display). > 2. less flexibility than a normal computer > 3. price > > Of course, lugging around a normal computer desktop or tower case > doesn't > make that much sense, so the solution: 19'' rack case. Now if I > have this > case, why not put the other rack-mountable gear in a rack? Yes, I see the logic in your view. But there are also those small Shuttle PC models to look into, might fit into a peli trunk as well as into a rack. You have to find a portable monitor screen as well if you go the Shuttle road. > The FireStudio looks like a cool idea as well, especially as this > big thing > with 8 micpres costs about the same as a Fireface400. Still, it > doesn't have > standalone mixer capabilities, does it? I've been reading around on the net and have not seen any note on such a standalone functionality of the FireStudio. The RME Fireface400 is the unit I have been targeting myself, for the future when computers do not any more provide PCI or PCMCIA (which my recent RME Multiface and backup Echo Indigo i/o interfaces rely on). I've had my Multiface for years and it's nothing but great! The TotalMix software is something I have found very useful too. And for the standalone mixer/merger functionality I must say that I really miss that with my Multiface. I have two 6 unit racks here that I, on rare occasions, fill up with analog stuff to do non computer looping with my EDP and the problem has always been the cable routing - the Fireface400 would do wonders here. And as you are saying, Rainer, when you are performing live and mangling audio with effects and filters you don't need the highest studio mic pre amps. I plan on keeping my top quality analog PreSonus mic preamp/expander/compressor/dynamic EQ for the best studio recording of a mono mic (a C414), so that's why I don't care much about audio fidelity in an audio interface box (routing options is more important for live use). My recent challenge is to set up an ultra compact looping rig of only laptop and controller pedal, but I'm just realizing that I don't have a strong enough computer for that. You need at least a 2 MHz Dual Core (mine is just a plain single CPU/core). So the working compromise is to use a hardware multi effect box (fireworx) as the mic preamp and effect processor. The fireworx feeds the Multiface by digital S/PDIF (or ADAT) optical cable, so there's really not many cables to connect when setting up. And still I need at least ten minutes for it. When I was playing in Italy with greek bass looper Costas Andreou, he came with two big and heavy cases that he set it all up in just two minutes. It was all analog, all guitar/bass stomp boxes, physically pre wired in their cases; just to lift off the lid and connect stereo output to stereo input. Sounded awesome as well, but the backside is hurting feet and arms stretched down to the level of knees ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 18:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FB73BEDF; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LKzvmQWL6IW0hdarLK2f23hKBRCy2iXhdroIk9XjTY3u+bmJkRA+2//BRbPlVGvaEVRP6AX+ex9EYbaiPDN/1Q3AR1xkfuqrOvLvPFhFpclM2hOEu7dB/kfz4uRdMavUj8FaRKZVKXNtp+7YePdY0+OXM1/PmfdR562G2qqfJxM= ; Message-ID: <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061111004001.80264.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Well all righty then. What software would you use to replace a unit like the MPX-1? M ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 18:24:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54273BF08; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2419.24.113.147.155.1163269482.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <8B5A247B-53F0-4EC7-8E29-E6913E42D86A@tuninghawaii.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:24:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fripp provides 4 seconds for MS From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Wow, it's the new Robert Fripp album! It's 4 seconds long, costs $99.00 and comes with an operating system. > Nov 10, 3:12 PM EST > > Long Process Leads to Short Vista Sound > > By ALLISON LINN > AP Business Writer > > > > SEATTLE (AP) -- Some musicians spend 18 months working on a whole album. > At > Microsoft Corp., that's how long it took to perfect just four seconds of > sound. > > Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound - a soft > da-dum, da-dumm, with a lush fade-out - that millions of computer users > will > hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, when they turn on > computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista operating system. > > To set the right tone - clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," > according to Microsoft's Steve Ball - the software maker recruited > musician > Robert Fripp. > > Fripp, best known for his work with the '70s rock band King Crimson, > recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the > project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. Then, > it > was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings to suss out > just the right few seconds.Fripp's involvement is not surprising. His > occasional collaborator, Brian Eno, recorded sounds for Windows 95. Also, > Ball, the Microsoft group program manager for WAVE - Windows Audio Visual > Excellence - has in the past been Fripp's student and business partner. > > Ball, a self-proclaimed renaissance man who is both an engineer and a > musician, considered the work of about 10 musicians for the project. Some > of > those people were influential in the final four seconds as well. > > Redmond-based Microsoft seriously debated several other sounds before > settling on the final startup sound about three weeks ago. The rejects > included a longer, lusher clip and a quick, techno-sounding piece. While > many people liked an upbeat ditty with a clapping rhythm, it was > eventually > nixed for sounding too much like a commercial. Ball said the hand-clapping > also seemed like too "human" a sound when paired with the new graphic for > Vista. > > "There's nothing that's especially human about our new Windows animation," > he said. > > The short startup clip that was eventually chosen is meant to evoke the > rhythm of the words "Win-dows Vis-ta!" and Ball hopes the sound will serve > as a calling card for the operating system. It also consists of four > chords > - one for every color in the new Windows graphic that appears as the sound > plays. It's no coincidence that it's also four seconds long. > > There are a total of 45 Vista sounds that Microsoft has spent the last > year > and a half perfecting, including the dings you hear when you get a new > e-mail, receive an error message, or log off your computer. Generally, > these > are more muted, less jarring variations of the prompts familiar to Windows > XP users. > > If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds of > sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as the > e-mail > alert will be played trillions of times in years to come. That's a lot of > opportunity to annoy, offend - or, if the job is done right - please or > appease computer users the world over. > > One major concern was that the startup sound not grow grating after a > time. > > "You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, but > it's a paradox to also say, 'Oh and by the way, we need people to love it > the tenth, or the hundredth, or the thousandth time they hear it,'" Ball > said. > > That's one reason he was glad to have 18 months to choose the clips. > > "We had time to live with the music," Ball said. > > Still, for all the time Ball has spent on the sounds, he says one measure > of > success would be if people noticed them very little, if at all. > > Ball is the first to admit that the percussive beeps in past Windows > versions could be jarring enough to bother nearby workers or interrupt > others in a meeting. With the number of intrusive sounds from cell phones, > handheld devices and other gadgets only increasing, that's something Ball > and his colleagues were keen to avoid with Vista. > > "We want you to know they're there, and you would miss them if they were > gone, but we would like them to be just barely noticeable, almost like > they > are part of the environment or part of your wallpaper," he said. "We want > them in the background, rather than the foreground." > > © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 18:28:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D0063BF07; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PyD1/5uAMJimtGMsS4LdOezTxSBm0MR4maox5El1InsxKl5lbGgUg81W5e54F9RRysxGQfeMABtrkRIR/NvVD2zhsXCmYFVwSUQ3Kuq7jHSNJzDZYZz9B3/WF5TcmZ5KWNcIlqL8tiCpcZlMvnDGuqULzm93x2Zc6L6BOkgGn+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <068CA595-A5F9-4D0F-8F69-DDB03728F915@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:28:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:28:07 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 19.07, mark sottilaro wrote: > Well all righty then. What software would you use to > replace a unit like the MPX-1? Well, well... there's no easy answer to that. Below I'm pasting in the six modules of the MPX-1 and their parameters. You have to find a software solution that (1) offers the same processing and (2) offers the same routing as the MPX-1. I don't have an MPX-1 and I don't have time to read the rest of its manual to learn how its routing schematics are implemented. But if I did I would either look into Max/MSP to take on the project of recreating those audio processing modules or I'd look into Bidule and the project of assembling AU or VST plug-ins that equal the MPX-1 and do the wiring up in Bidule. Hardware devices like the MPX-1 (or my FireworX) are typically extremely good at what they are supposed to be good at. So you can dedicate time to study them in detail and be sure to learn a lot. The same can not be said about software, because software tend to take on a much more versatile role (which is the kind version - the not so kind version is to say that software doesn't give a clue about where to start and will typically keep you occupied for way too much time without resulting in anything particularly useful at all) Per --> Pitch Detune (M) Detune (S) Detune (D) Shift (M) Shift (S) Shift (D) Volume (M) Volume (S) Volume (D) Test Tone --> Chorus Chorus Flanger (M) Flanger (S) Phaser Rotary Cab Aerosol Orbits Centrifuge1 Centrifuge2 Comb 1 Comb 2 --> EQ 1-Band (M) 2-Band (M) 3-Band (M) 4-Band (M) 1-Band (S) 2-Band (S) 1-Band (D) 2-Band (D) Sweep Filter Wah Fc Splitter Crossover 2-Tone (M) 2-Tone (S) 2-Tone (D) 3-Tone (M) 3-Tone (S) 3-Tone (D) --> Delay Delay (M) Delay (S) Delay (D) Echo (M) Echo (S) Echo (D) Looper Ducker --> Mod Panner Auto Pan Tremolo (M) Tremolo (S) Overdrive Volume (M) Volume (S) Volume (D) --> Reverb Chamber Hall Plate Gate Ambience From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 19:13:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758163BF01; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <081601c705c5$65eebf30$38b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Right out of the box? hmmmmm, maybe Reaktor, because you could download tons of free mind-blowing ensembles immediately....all sorts of lush effects, reverbs, delays, pitch, etc, etc.. MAX/MSP would be ideal, but you would have to program a lot of your patches yourself. It would be worth it in the long run, just more work. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) > Well all righty then. What software would you use to > replace a unit like the MPX-1? > > M > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 19:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1217D3BF0F; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <000601c705af$266dbc50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D9F9FFA-95F4-4B47-AEA2-8A905DC1D237@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:25:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 6ad8051b-71ba-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcY1UwAEN1 UkhJREJTHQ9qBBYF BlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox0M MDQ0fBZfZWRnamcc HklRfk1SIVdCfhpE OE14VSFcfGQGMih9 FVM/NHVpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsEe0tZVhcD FVgGFC0zGlVNXCgv MgRubxYDHEcaMg0o OFAiEU4fewIJB2VB X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:25:43 +0000 (UTC) I've been using my Macbook pro onstage by putting velcro on the corners. The outside of the rack is carpeted and so the velcro sticks to it. (shallow Odyssey 5U rack bag). Then, when it gets bumped, as inevitably happens, the computer doesn't fall off. The only issue is that the intel mac laptop gets 1 million degrees even while checking email, and I worry about how hot it gets for long performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 19:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C613BF01; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:00:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: OT: Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear? In-reply-to: <29080316.1163193166732.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <45562BF8.1010601@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <29080316.1163193166732.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: >My move away from dedicated gear to the land of a G5 >and a toshiba laptop is pretty much complete, but >there's one piece of gear that's still in question: >A Lexicon MPX1 multieffects processor. > >Now, I love this thing, even though it's interface >isn't the best. Sounds rich, clean and can do lots of >interesting stuff. The problem? It doesn't seem to >have a place in my world any longer. So much of what >I'm doing is being generated by software. > >I guess my question would be, does it make sense to >keep it and use it in some sort of effects loop of my >MOTU 828? Has anyone tried this? Is latency too much >of an issue? > >Does it make more sense to sell it and go for some >sort of software package. Maybe one of the hybred >hardware/software ones like the UAD-1? Will I get >better performance/sound/flexibility this way? > > Hi Mark, It all depends upon why you like the MPX-1. I've seen people use the SPDIF I/O ports on their audio interfaces to connect their Lexicon PCM70/80/90 or whatever because they feel that the device has such a unique quality or a sound they love and can't do without. Using the SPDIF route, the entire thing is maintained in the digital domain, i.e. no extra D/A and A/D conversions just to use a rack effect. If you can't live without the MPX-1, then integrate it happily into your computer system. Otherwise, use plugins if they give you the results you desire. It's all about results. Damn the tools. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 22:11:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEEB3BEE9; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QAjMmeNdlOIh215EDjH1bpQ+Gn2mdFkO0ijvCsXmj93G6bA0PPA3Ho0iHSsa2L2rGz3oqI6DG0CmVZdBKEN7H2nq3tC3bgBIUMoDXKuPugXT+tVy8LE0MJHeKA4O7wKq78ZoGrlD06nzU8gQiY2p+/BiVLlNqQbe0ueXqaOYvPI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611111411u5142ebedg81ff1a9686096beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:11:27 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) In-Reply-To: <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061111004001.80264.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Only multi-effects VST I have experience with is the LFX-1310: http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=lfx1310 It's free and cpu friendly Devine Machine has a new Filter/Delay called vMinion: http://www.devine-machine.com/documents/45.html I haven't tried it, but it looks very cool. On 11/11/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Well all righty then. What software would you use to > replace a unit like the MPX-1? > > M > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 23:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55F83BEFF; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: lqnLyDAVM1l0pq95q_8DHFKxDI1JCJYDEuTseY2gw.OGdHxRMogz3nd8bw6zmNTOil93f0eqY5HFRv2OajQiHSbGKilTW7o3HxqlqqQjXF7zzrd4i_wqXg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <5F805A69-351C-4187-8752-AF79972D1645@gmail.com> References: <001001c70589$c8741e20$1001a8c0@succubus> <5F805A69-351C-4187-8752-AF79972D1645@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:10:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:10:57 +0000 (UTC) I do recommend that route.....and a good laptop, no need for a rack=20 mount job.... I use a Storm Case, as I like the latches better (feel=20 more secure to me). Looks like the Peli, lasts like the Peli,=20 guaranteed like the Peli....A little less expensive... I also use sheets of closed cell foam rubber, not the open cell stuff=20 it comes with as in my experience that can shred and get in gear..... Here is the company.... http://www.stormcase.com/ I use the 2950. http://www.stormcase.com/StormCaseSizes/StormiM2950. > One cool thing with the Peli Case: When you come strolling down the=20 > pavement with the box on wheels, using the telescope handle, no one=20 > can tell that you are a musician. You could as well be a NASA Chemist,=20= > a Scuba Diver or an Alien Terminator. Per! That cracked me up! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 16:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45DFE3BEF4; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=WKK+JJfCOUHLa+0jP6XilYkmSRzVvFUhaPahWZSJ1VC2MPMSuZnlq6M30G/Sl+txjfE79VR9ARkl0b4I1dhTPzzLKgGw3hbDjX7xAcdQSlmkFAuHlc8aWVn9UGLpC7rBkoAEIhoBDq/sNoXt2rE3ub0Yi0FIch2Oz9r52itxvZk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:50:55 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: kyberloopfest@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new AU Ninjam client MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 254c272e147d74f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi, it may interest some of you to know that I've made a prototype Audio Unit plugin Ninjam client. Get it here: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ninjamplugin.html I've done this because my looping rig is my laptop, and using the existing Ninjam client on the same machine as everything else just doesn't seem to be feasible. Plus this allows for lots of exciting multi-channel routing possibilies later on - but right now, it's definitely no more than proof-of-concept! Feedback very welcome - mail me off list or on my forum (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=85index.php). cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 22:26:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4705B3BEDA; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:21:38 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccF5qTeOOS7tOq/R9ibB5avFMtp6AAwKOwA In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:26:59 +0000 (UTC) >I do recommend that route.....and a good laptop, no need for a rack mount job.... I use a Storm Case, as I like the >latches better (feel more secure to me). Looks like the Peli, lasts like the Peli, guaranteed like the Peli....A little >less expensive... Mhmm, with all the suggestions I got, I might go a kinda hybrid route: 1. still use the rackmount computer (explanation: see below) 2. put computer + easily rackmountable gear (audio interface, perhaps one other outboard device) in a very light (but thus not sturdy) 19'' rack. 4HU will just not be enough, so I might use 6HU and be on the safe side (2HU computer, 1 HU interface, 1HU keyboard, leaves 2HU for further outlaptop stuff). 3. put 19'' rack + TFT + BCR2000 + FCB1010 + further small stuff into a Storm or Peli case. Think that might work? Rainer ps: explanation for not laptop As I mentioned, the computer will serve a dual role both as my computer for making music, and for some stuff @ home which requires high performance (read: audio editing, gamez). To work well in all these fields, I want maximum flexibility when configuring it, maximum expandability, and that at a reasonable price. There are some things I'd like to have which a laptop simply won't do. Two harddiscs? Forget it. Hand-choose your mainboard, graphics adaptor etc? No way. PCI or PCIe slots? No. Thus, no laptop for me here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 23:39:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D69A3BEE7; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FZIwbmD0GrgM56MQtQxZxGZLP6s8o4aSwQLQYCYj6MziuBqMs45Mb2/czMbnaDVTCragEsoVYOi4quURi+H3e+GVMMFMebsBROefnQTSWk8wbFe0eZfZIgJxvqNHtW7EJcp3qB08eg0D7RAfqNdGLNi8uPpgY+aDnP1ZcJrRfCs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F1D065C-0326-45F7-8B3B-461CFABCEE74@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:39:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:39:15 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2006, at 23.21, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > 1. still use the rackmount computer (explanation: see below) > 2. put computer + easily rackmountable gear (audio interface, > perhaps one > other outboard device) in a very light (but thus not sturdy) 19'' > rack. 4HU > will just not be enough, so I might use 6HU and be on the safe side > (2HU > computer, 1 HU interface, 1HU keyboard, leaves 2HU for further > outlaptop > stuff). > 3. put 19'' rack + TFT + BCR2000 + FCB1010 + further small stuff > into a > Storm or Peli case. Funnily I have been thinking about doing this too ;-) But difference is I don't have as many rack devices, only one full width and two half width objects (the empty rack space is for cables and MIDI hand mixers). And a laptop. My point in having a 2 or 3HU soft rack bag is to plan all my stuff as a Swiss Army Knife - a commodity that can serve differently depending on the circumstances: (1) When going to close gigs the soft rack case does transport laptop and MIDI hand controllers while FCB pedal and music instruments can be carried by hand. (2) When going by aircraft the soft rack bag goes into a Peli/Storm Case together with as much as over weight regulations permit. Probably laptop plus instruments go with me in the cabin. Well down at destination ground level everything is re-packed for touring and quick stage set-up. Inside the soft rack case all MIDI cables and power cables are already connected, no matter if it was transported to the venue by hand or inside the Peli Case. > Think that might work? Only you, RAiner, can answer the question if the stuff you target will fit into a bigger Storm/Peli Case. Make a list of all measures and then make a drawing of the bigger box' interior space. Don't forget to count of some space for padding between gear devices. Before I made up my mind to go with a Peli Case I did detailed design/ modeling work on the computer for the case' interior. I had perfectly scaled on-screen objects of all my gear to mover them around and find out if it should work. I was using the software Keynote on Mac for this. Any CAD applications would do fine, probably even better. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 23:49:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8FC3BEDF; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: gfUmFAhd0pwyGsJs1WL9oYf8UzindCS+ss0cIX94zIa0ffwtlMdljA== X-Originating-IP: [64.223.180.93] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "skyroot@netzero.com" Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:48:15 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061112.154829.20413.569818@webmail43.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3240724063 X-MAIL-INFO:3ce5fcec7845e96dd57da889e81579e8c9c8c169c5a1f19c918c0c9c695549e8c55de8fcec1981097919000cb97528759da9119df5dd28a8a8ddfcb8bd4c0cdd99810135b841ed483d313971288535cdf181ad75353135cd180535051895d948485c484d7d1978fc796dfc45bd79210021dca18cac015da189ec59ec89255d6c6c5de15d78e9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.183|webmail43.nyc.untd.com|webmail43.nyc.untd.com|skyroot@netzero.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:19 +0000 (UTC) >I want maximum flexibility when configuring it, maximum expandability, >and that at a reasonable price. Hi, new guy here, thought I'd jump in my name's Matt. Great site, been lurking off and on since I added looping about 5 years ago... Here's an option I haven't seen mentioned: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=3D22148 http://wiki.travnet.org/wiki/Briefcase_computer I've been thinking about this route for a while, maximum flexibility for configuration and addresses issues of laptop delicacy etc. = PS: I searched "suitcase" in the archives, I only went through the first 50 entries but there's some really cool ideas there, portable battery amps etc... Hello again, Matt _____________________________________________________________________ PrivatePhone - FREE telephone number & voicemail. A number so private, you can make it public. http://www.privatephone.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 00:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5E373BEF3; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> <20061108181130.LSGD20344.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <46fea78d0611081840o6b9b9efesd12467ded857f650@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:12:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: 3rd Hand--was RC-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:30:26 +0000 (UTC) At 8:09 AM -0800 11/9/06, David Coffin wrote: >I've got one connected to the feedback knob on a DD-20 delay; bit of >an ergonomic kludge and quite shockingly free of "parameters," but >it actually works as intended to provide me with a basic but >ultra-long foot-controlled stereo looping delay for under $300. If >only the DD offered feedback in it's SOS mode... I've got one of the TIP pedals and use it for exactly the same ergonomic kludge as David (why do Boss products always seem to have one single irritating flaw -- in this case, the feedback omission mentioned above). Anyway, the 3rd hand allows for a nice workaround. Now, if I could only figure out some other kludge to use a single 3rd Hand to simultaneously control feedback on two DD-20's.... :P --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 05:47:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C29B3BED9; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: VrMXzf4VM1mD_LyVblNIjjyeOmA63W8O6YQjj6JCEgpDiPizx..Jm5DKAaYWVro4I60xLoZ5XNhgoPe2jIKSgUmBa7jnAMw5Lj6ygE_0PMcrqFC5DmKxacGE4RpAP_a9qCMrgP_v.IEWo8FTA.XELiUUI6uCv_hhuAs- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8F1D065C-0326-45F7-8B3B-461CFABCEE74@gmail.com> References: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> <8F1D065C-0326-45F7-8B3B-461CFABCEE74@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1e89c91257cc41b5dd83592f38e5cab3@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:47:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:47:20 +0000 (UTC) We are so alike.....I used Illustrator to create images of the layers=20 and components to go in each layer and even templates for cutting the=20 foam.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 12, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Don't forget to count of some space for padding between gear devices.=20= > Before I made up my mind to go with a Peli Case I did detailed=20 > design/modeling work on the computer for the case' interior. I had=20 > perfectly scaled on-screen objects of all my gear to mover them around=20= > and find out if it should work. I was using the software Keynote on=20 > Mac for this. Any CAD applications would do fine, probably even=20 > better.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 08:40:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C413BED6; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jWG3r40UqtxPzc6sop75rnZufwz3UWIgt0PPRZSc+GAgHGQn2U61vTeSQL6cdEUVVlss6kkpAeOuIfed0HCqSnyRHu2IsGeQaBBPUBPH6aSVUq7v1kffauWoJp3iVX0nwYRtvTS7R9SKIt6Dk7WRz3KkPNXwoPuVUPb1doFN7hY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611111411u5142ebedg81ff1a9686096beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061111004001.80264.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0611111411u5142ebedg81ff1a9686096beb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <587D5E59-89D3-4935-928D-ADB48BB12139@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:40:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) On 11 nov 2006, at 23.11, Art Simon wrote: > Only multi-effects VST I have experience with is the LFX-1310: > http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=lfx1310 > It's free and cpu friendly Good tip. This is a nice one,has some good effects and useful routing inside the plug-in. But unfortunately it is coded in a way that crashes Bidule when binding a MIDI cc to a plug-in parameter. Some other VST plug-ins do that as well, while other VST plug-ins are stable. My own private investigation of "the software route" is now completed. A big Thank You to everyone that has helped with information and advice! What I found is that (1) my recent computer resources are not powerful enough to replace rack hardware and that (2) Windows - due to the problems with the VST format - is not the best system for me. I will now drop the priority of this subject and focus on my working live rig, that is a Windows laptop plus a TC Electronics FirewoX working as the "soundcard"/AD converter and effect processor, digitally connected by an optical adat cable with the laptop (though an RAE Multiface - only digital, not using the analog in/out-puts). Eventually I'll look into a software only solution on Mac, for the future. The AU-plugin format and OS X is the reason I prefer the Mac. However, until there is no software looper like Mobius available for Mac I can't make this a priority. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 09:29:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C17F3BEDF; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <004c01c70706$289d1590$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: Subject: Re: new AU Ninjam client Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:29:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Wow Os.. great work!!! If this was what you were testing on my server, then Im proud. I was JUST THIS MORNING thinking about the very same problem, I am working (via ninjam) with a singer from Paris, and showing her some vocal processing stuff using AudioMulch (cool PC app) and I then realised that I need her to be able to get her mic thru AM then into Ninjam client, for transmission to me.... sure its possible using odd routing things, but probably hell to set up... but probably will still have to as your tool is mac... damn you!!!! was it a simple job, I could ask around on the ninjam forums... mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: new AU Ninjam client > Hi, > > it may interest some of you to know that I've made a prototype Audio > Unit plugin Ninjam client. > > Get it here: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ninjamplugin.html > > I've done this because my looping rig is my laptop, and using the > existing Ninjam client on the same machine as everything else just > doesn't seem to be feasible. > > Plus this allows for lots of exciting multi-channel routing > possibilies later on - but right now, it's definitely no more than > proof-of-concept! > > Feedback very welcome - mail me off list or on my forum > (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=85index.php). > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 15:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5A903BEF1; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: laptop setup - which rack to use Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:31:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccF5qTeOOS7tOq/R9ibB5avFMtp6AAwKOwAACQVoLA= Message-Id: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: <6oEJE.A.PTE.KFJWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone here tried a MUSE RECEPTOR for vst looping? On the paper it looks like a nice multieffect - synth. It is compatible with many vst plugins (and many are already installed inside it. I know that it is just a Pentium 4 computer, but the interface seems good. I am a guitar player - Looper, and I think that I could go for me (1 hi-z input on the front, 2 balanced I/O on the back, plus an adat output). And all in two rack units. And it is expandable as far as ram and hdd goes(up to 4Gb of ram and a maximum of two SATA hdd). Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: domenica 12 novembre 2006 23.22 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use >I do recommend that route.....and a good laptop, no need for a rack mount job.... I use a Storm Case, as I like the >latches better (feel more secure to me). Looks like the Peli, lasts like the Peli, guaranteed like the Peli....A little >less expensive... Mhmm, with all the suggestions I got, I might go a kinda hybrid route: 1. still use the rackmount computer (explanation: see below) 2. put computer + easily rackmountable gear (audio interface, perhaps one other outboard device) in a very light (but thus not sturdy) 19'' rack. 4HU will just not be enough, so I might use 6HU and be on the safe side (2HU computer, 1 HU interface, 1HU keyboard, leaves 2HU for further outlaptop stuff). 3. put 19'' rack + TFT + BCR2000 + FCB1010 + further small stuff into a Storm or Peli case. Think that might work? Rainer ps: explanation for not laptop As I mentioned, the computer will serve a dual role both as my computer for making music, and for some stuff @ home which requires high performance (read: audio editing, gamez). To work well in all these fields, I want maximum flexibility when configuring it, maximum expandability, and that at a reasonable price. There are some things I'd like to have which a laptop simply won't do. Two harddiscs? Forget it. Hand-choose your mainboard, graphics adaptor etc? No way. PCI or PCIe slots? No. Thus, no laptop for me here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 15:57:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE90D3BEE6; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nG/pPSlAGGUbsUZdVzxt3w1VDD/0PDPl62i/B75yTt3RWA0WqXnR7L3ilFCUltI2GWpBAkcnR5ypARYvLyHNkUbn7t/pBCHVjwAcTSUPUoP0rgZkut/1w8Yz3mrQerHEpZZ1aPQ7wi9eWAbFW7IjkZ7z0e+Xu5jDsUgUaY0VeAI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> References: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09DB4063-7949-421C-ACFE-9C2B6CA300AE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:57:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4ut0u.A.g8E.kXJWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:57:24 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2006, at 16.31, Luigi Meloni wrote: > Has anyone here tried a MUSE RECEPTOR for vst looping? On the paper > it looks > like a nice multieffect - synth. It is compatible with many vst > plugins (and > many are already installed inside it. I know that it is just a > Pentium 4 > computer, but the interface seems good. I am a guitar player - > Looper, and I > think that I could go for me (1 hi-z input on the front, 2 balanced > I/O on > the back, plus an adat output). And all in two rack units. And it is > expandable as far as ram and hdd goes(up to 4Gb of ram and a > maximum of two > SATA hdd). No, but it's an interesting product. I checked the web site but couldn't find a pricing? I have some faint memory of these things being incredibly expensive... anyone know what the sell for? BTW - What would be the point to use it for loopiing? Loading it with Mobius VST? Sounds like problems to me. It only comes with 256 MB RAM!!! My guess is that you would get a Looperlative for that money ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 16:24:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21E3B3BEFB; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TAmueE+E2EXJ5j6WLRATb1CU8bU/Ado5Iq7iAImGxVUdq0QT6T8VibGVAzrl8FFr/g7MEsjSKKJWf2cWjtnNrs+ZttPDjwBPE8Y5ZWMXr05qI6huq8o2vV/KSF1kT4/7TuF4IzM2KweAkvQPdroIjHU1qUKto9Og7u4jcWjt4So= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> References: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3327BE69-8671-47C4-9B4B-7C337E40A58C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: laptop foot controller vision: the CYBER SPIDER Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:24:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Loopers, I was thinking about Zoe's velcro fixed laptop and Neil Youngs guitar amp with small built-on engines with mechanical arms reaching down to twist knobs according to his onstage pedal tap dancing. Then emerged this ultimately fresh vision of a looping musician placing his/her laptop on the floor inside some kind of secure velcro frame. Above the keyboard - but behind the screen/lid from the audience viewing point - hoovers a mechanical construction looking like a CYBER SPIDER. Each leg of the spider transports the mechanical movement of a certain physical controller pedal. I think the CYBER SPIDER would easily duplicate the functionality of my way too huge Behringer FCB1010 and also be a lot less heavy for flight transportation. I don't intend to build and produce it (hey - no patent, it's free!!!) but if I should there would certainly be a part in the licensing contract dealing with warranty issues if used with army boots or equal footwear. Anyone having tried building a mechanical looper controller? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 16:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A483BF13; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45589DE4.1020304@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:31:32 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop foot controller vision: the CYBER SPIDER References: <20061113153102.D099EAC473@smtp3.libero.it> <3327BE69-8671-47C4-9B4B-7C337E40A58C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3327BE69-8671-47C4-9B4B-7C337E40A58C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-0, 11/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <2Vy_4D.A.boG.y3JWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC) I would think it safer to do something like what Jeff has mentioned and construct a small footboard that sends keyboard strokes via USB. If it could be programmed to send combinations of keystrokes, it would be useful for all sorts of things. Then you could have your laptop (or a second monitor) at your feet without putting it in too much danger of combat boots and such. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > Loopers, > > I was thinking about Zoe's velcro fixed laptop and Neil Youngs guitar > amp with small built-on engines with mechanical arms reaching down to > twist knobs according to his onstage pedal tap dancing. Then emerged > this ultimately fresh vision of a looping musician placing his/her > laptop on the floor inside some kind of secure velcro frame. Above the > keyboard - but behind the screen/lid from the audience viewing point - > hoovers a mechanical construction looking like a CYBER SPIDER. Each > leg of the spider transports the mechanical movement of a certain > physical controller pedal. I think the CYBER SPIDER would easily > duplicate the functionality of my way too huge Behringer FCB1010 and > also be a lot less heavy for flight transportation. I don't intend to > build and produce it (hey - no patent, it's free!!!) but if I should > there would certainly be a part in the licensing contract dealing with > warranty issues if used with army boots or equal footwear. > > Anyone having tried building a mechanical looper controller? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 16:51:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B12A3BF1E; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 335246878 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fripp provides 4 seconds for MS Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:51:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C70743.3CE64A22" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:51:24 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70743.3CE64A22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Wow, it's the new Robert Fripp album! It's 4 seconds long, costs $99.00 and comes with an operating system.<< what, they're giving away real software with copies of vista? :-) that clip on their site looked like it was done on a 'phone. presumably the conversation after it ended went something like "& you can take that light away too". I saw a signed copy of "exposure" (see what I did there...?) in a shop in amsterdam; when we enquired, we were told that fripp always visits the shop when he is playing at the paradiso (which is across the road) & that he is amongst many such visitors who quite happily sign anything of "theirs" that they happen upon in this fine establishment. 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>>Wow, it's the new Robert Fripp album! It's 4 seco= nds long, costs $99.00 and comes with an operating system.<<

what, they're giving away real software with copies of vi= sta? :-)

that clip on their site looked like it was done on a 'pho= ne.
presumably the conversation after it ended went somethin= g like "& you can take that light away too".

I saw a signed copy of "exposure" (see what I d= id there...?) in a shop in amsterdam; when we enquired, we were told that f= ripp always visits the shop when he is playing at the paradiso (which is ac= ross the road) & that he is amongst many such visitors who quite happil= y sign anything of "theirs" that they happen upon in this fine es= tablishment.

I would've bought it but I already have three copies.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C70743.3CE64A22-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 17:02:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E7C3BF2B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: laptop foot controller vision: the CYBER SPIDER Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:02:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDE3@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3327BE69-8671-47C4-9B4B-7C337E40A58C@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop foot controller vision: the CYBER SPIDER thread-index: AccHQD6Q66O+xqUSR66sNWFOE4CZVQAASrdA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Per Boysen > Above the keyboard - but behind the screen/lid from the audience viewing =20 > point - hoovers a mechanical construction looking like a CYBER =20 > SPIDER. Each leg of the spider transports the mechanical movement of =20 > a certain physical controller pedal ...to the laptop keyboard? I toyed with something similar to this prototyping cheap footswitches by hacking computer keyboards. In theory, you could buy any cheap keyboard and put it in a box with "switches" on=20 top that push a rod down onto a key. =20 The main problem I had is that these rods have to be adjustable so you can position them over the right keys. The switches on top have to have enough space between them so you can operate them with a foot. If you had a full size keyboard, you could possibly have a row switches over A F J ; but then you get into an area where the keys are not standard. To make full use of all the letter keys, the rods connecting the switches to the keys could not be straight, they would have to bend, or attach to a complicated mechanical apparatus. As the connection between the switch and a key becomes more complicated,=20 it is harder to maintain accuracy. There can be "latency" added by the mechanism or an inconsistent "feel" between different switches. It seemed to me cheaper and more accurate to buy ordinary electronic switches and figure out a way to connect them to the keyboard=20 controller chip. But this does require soldering and a knowledge of the electronics inside the keyboard. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 17:24:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21AC3BF0E; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:11:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 11, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4558A75F.7030703@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <-ipir.A.f_.5oKWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:24:09 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/061111.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #97 November 11, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Parallel Worlds] Dreamstate E-dition #10 (Groove) VA [Parallel Worlds] Soulgates E-dition #10 (Groove) VA [Robert Schroeder]Doo Doo E-dition #10 (Groove) Synthetic Block Doused Sonic Approach (Hypnos) Redshift Stuka Toll (Distant Sun) Redshift Cast Down Toll (Distant Sun) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Sami Autumn Leaves Feelings (Aspirion) Dyan Garris Forgiveness Spiritus Sanctum Vol. 2 (none) Paul Schwartz Christe Redemptor State of Grace III (Koch) The Side Project Travel On A Comfortable Struggle (Track 7) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Spock's Beard With Your Kiss Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Spock's Beard All That's Left Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Soniqtheater Sorcerer's Enchanted (none) Apprentice Rocket Scientists After the Revolution Revolution Road (Think Tank) Ozric Tentacles Toka Tola Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on December 9. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 17:25:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30DC33BF02; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D2cus8+NwuDxkZHTD6NiiHb+fP4bdcWuDxiFRbMpgaZD28PjuNEBGVFqkcTUHItjOAgOlpRUHgEZJjPzs9HBkpOjcQQSGVkk5NeYBF9BQRhcn3+tE3mRUO042tFi61J3UphHbmrJbvTt+zTI4IlNaEY1NpVjn7QsqpfCSzZyCHU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:25:24 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop foot controller vision: the CYBER SPIDER In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDE3@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3327BE69-8671-47C4-9B4B-7C337E40A58C@gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDE3@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:25:27 +0000 (UTC) how about something like... http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/powermate.htm or http://www.ymouse.com/xkeys/xkfoot.php Tony On 11/13/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Per Boysen > > Above the keyboard - but behind the screen/lid from the audience > viewing > > point - hoovers a mechanical construction looking like a CYBER > > SPIDER. Each leg of the spider transports the mechanical movement of > > a certain physical controller pedal > > ...to the laptop keyboard? I toyed with something similar to this > prototyping cheap footswitches by hacking computer keyboards. In > theory, > you could buy any cheap keyboard and put it in a box with "switches" on > top that push a rod down onto a key. > > The main problem I had is that these rods have to be adjustable so > you can position them over the right keys. The switches on top have > to have enough space between them so you can operate them with a foot. > If you had a full size keyboard, you could possibly have a row switches > over A F J ; but then you get into an area where the keys are > not standard. To make full use of all the letter keys, the rods > connecting the switches to the keys could not be straight, they would > have to bend, or attach to a complicated mechanical apparatus. As the > connection between the switch and a key becomes more complicated, > it is harder to maintain accuracy. There can be "latency" added by > the mechanism or an inconsistent "feel" between different switches. > > It seemed to me cheaper and more accurate to buy ordinary electronic > switches and figure out a way to connect them to the keyboard > controller chip. But this does require soldering and a knowledge of > the electronics inside the keyboard. > > Jeff > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 17:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A35A63BEDD; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:37:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDE8@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <09DB4063-7949-421C-ACFE-9C2B6CA300AE@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) thread-index: AccHPGo3Ej8WKsA+TmWu5SaBC0geXgACphcg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:36:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Per Boysen > No, but it's an interesting product. I checked the web site but =20 > couldn't find a pricing? I have some faint memory of these things =20 > being incredibly expensive... anyone know what the sell for? BTW - =20 > What would be the point to use it for loopiing? Loading it with =20 > Mobius VST? Sounds like problems to me. It only comes with 256 MB =20 > RAM!!! They are fairly expensive. I don't remember exactly but they were above $1000, and probably near or above $2000. They run the Linux OS, which means that while they claim they can host any VST, they actually can't. Many of the commercial VST companies have ported their products to the Receptor, but not all. Some of the free VSTs will run on it but many do not. Mobius cannot run on it, I'm not sure about the other VST loopers.=20 It seems best suited for keyboard players that want to=20 take VST instruments on the road. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 18:07:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 594EC3BF1B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Pg+i/RnaK3DhwklHyX6RwD+DOfskEumHqgFgxznwBLvaWxD5KcPKa8284fDTAajwdTUWcTvtZY0xkPhhX9l5ypM56NspuIK08PuYuFAOoQR7U3lJIWF0bmae9+vg6x7gDapNr8WBAt1YmHNiF1EFA26W7s4d5DhTDUNxW7Nraw= ; Message-ID: <20061113180746.32093.qmail@web80706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Subject: RE: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDE8@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1776327768-1163441265=:30444" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3sQpPC.A.YBD.1RLWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1776327768-1163441265=:30444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Soon everyone will have one, with uniwire it can be used to take processing burden off a DAW for plugins, for live every instrument in a band can be using one for instruments and effects including voice, it's disgusting but totally righteous. And it offers protections for the sound makers, so they'll be able to stay in the sound making business. The only rub as I see it is that it can't use/boot from an external drive and no utility for backing up the existing drive (in case one crashed in a tight situation and just the sheer hassle of if you had to redo the drive), also an extended warranty would be nice to be able to buy. It's $1699 with a 160gb HD more with the 400GB model. and there's a Muse Receptor/Colossus Bundle deal at Soundsonline http://www.soundsonline.com/Special-EW-Receptor-Colossus-bundle-pr-M-REC01.html Checked with Soundsonline and the Receptor in this bundle is the Rev C which has the Turion which is the latest improvement and resolves the heat issue the older units had, the only thing is they're backordered a bit. http://www.museresearch.com/ glenn Jeff Larson wrote: Fr om: Per Boysen > No, but it's an interesting product. I checked the web site but > couldn't find a pricing? I have some faint memory of these things > being incredibly expensive... anyone know what the sell for? BTW - > What would be the point to use it for loopiing? Loading it with > Mobius VST? Sounds like problems to me. It only comes with 256 MB > RAM!!! They are fairly expensive. I don't remember exactly but they were above $1000, and probably near or above $2000. They run the Linux OS, which means that while they claim they can host any VST, they actually can't. Many of the commercial VST companies have ported their products to the Receptor, but not all. Some of the free VSTs will run on it but many do not. Mobius cannot run on it, I'm not sure about the other VST loopers. It seems best suited for keyboard players that want to take VST instruments on the road. Jeff --0-1776327768-1163441265=:30444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Soon everyone will have one, with uniwire it can be used to take processing burden off a DAW for plugins, for live every instrument in a band can be using one for instruments and effects including voice, it's disgusting but totally righteous. And it offers protections for the sound makers, so they'll be able to stay in the sound making business. The only rub as I see it is that it can't use/boot from an external drive and no utility for backing up the existing drive (in case one crashed in a tight situation and just the sheer hassle of if you had to redo the drive), also an extended warranty would be nice to be able to buy.
 
It's $1699 with a 160gb HD more with the 400GB model.
and there's a Muse Receptor/Colossus Bundle deal at Soundsonline
 
Checked with Soundsonline and the Receptor in this bundle is the Rev C which has the Turion which is the latest improvement and resolves the heat issue the older units had, the only thing is they're backordered a bit.
 
 
glenn
 

Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
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om: Per Boysen
> No, but it's an interesting product. I checked the web site but
> couldn't find a pricing? I have some faint memory of these things
> being incredibly expensive... anyone know what the sell for? BTW -
> What would be the point to use it for loopiing? Loading it with
> Mobius VST? Sounds like problems to me. It only comes with 256 MB
> RAM!!!

They are fairly expensive. I don't remember exactly but they
were above $1000, and probably near or above $2000.

They run the Linux OS, which means that while they claim they
can host any VST, they actually can't. Many of the commercial
VST companies have ported their products to the Receptor, but
not all. Some of the free VSTs will run on it but many do not.
Mobius cannot run on it, I'm not sure about the other VST loopers.

It seems best suited for keyboard players that want to
take VST instruments on the road.

Jeff


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 18:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F67E3BEF6; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:49:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDFA@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20061113180746.32093.qmail@web80706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) thread-index: AccHTqHoN7jglz+MRIyvyJeSUwJ0PwAATRLA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:49:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Glenn [mailto:glenn234@pacbell.net]=20 =20 > Soon everyone will have one =20 I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but I don't think you have a very good understanding of the technical challenges and business realities for a device like this. This is a niche product that doesn't work well enough and isn't cheap enough to have mass market appeal. It works very well for some applications, but it isn't for everyone. =20 What it basically is, is a rack mount PC without a keyboard and monitor. They have made a number of sensible design choices to improve the stability of the system, but these choices have consequences. It doesn't run either of the two major operating systems so there will always be compatibility issues. The more complicated VSTs have carefully designed user interface windows that don't translate well into a little LCD of scrolling parameters. Some VSTs require occasional keyboard and mouse interaction. =20 As I said, it works reasonably well for VST instruments and effects where you're just calling up patches and not creating anything new on the fly. But for more complicated "performance tools" like loopers a specifically designed UI (hardware or software) is crucial. So to really use this thing for looping you're going to have to drag around an LCD monitor, keyboard, and mouse. And at that point you have to compare it to an ordinary rack mount PC and decide whether the marginally improved stability is worth more than being able to run any software you want. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 19:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0A123BF0B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0LljhyCsaX6YfHlkBysZPP4vLRVjtuvEq8XqQymVn+e8KyJxdXMVSOWPqEN4OWzOe1mvovT0JonnJHJPawO2uNsaa2xKv6HNZ2P4BK2QoAVpa2t+M/nuo1XoGLLNDSSkl6xkeQwhKG2KtcES7QFl9TIQCGG51XDuXFHVThkRXsc= ; Message-ID: <20061113195253.73104.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:52:53 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: How I spent my weekend (was favorite rack gear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45562BF8.1010601@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) > I've seen people use the SPDIF I/O ports on their audio interfaces to > connect their Lexicon This is exactly what I tried and I found it to work perfectly without any noticable latency and no CPU load to speak of. I compared a lot of demo multieffects to the MPX-1 and IMO, they often do more interesting things (more easily) but not really better sounding effects. There was a lushness and sparkle in the Lexicon that seems hard to emulate. Rich. Since I'm not recording a band live, it's not that important for me to have a bunch of effects running at once so the MPX and some creative bussing will probably do fine and anything extra can be done in software that I already own. Not that some of the software out there isn't great. But when it came down to it I felt that by the time I sold my MPX-1 (would probably fetch about $400 on ebay) I probably would just about have enough to get software that replaced it. Why bother? Different isn't always better. I'm going to spend time working with a software editor to get my patches all nice, like I like 'em. That's my one major complaint with the MPX-1. It's interface blows. So here's what I've figured out (I think I've come to similar conclusions to Per's): The dream of going pure laptop will not happen for me. Doesn't matter though, as my guitar effects processor is on the floor and not much bigger than a MIDI controller I'd need to control software anyway. My secondary processor (Boss VH-1) is small enough to be a non-issue and really good. Any other additional audio processing done by my laptop doesn't need to be the quality of an MPX-1 for live situations and there's a ton of free stuff out there that sounds pretty damn good and is amazingly cool and interesting. Will the people who are listening to my mp3 tracks on $30 computer speakers notice that I'm using Live's reverb? The people in the concrete floor boomy club/cafe notice the difference over the sound of the milk steamer? What's not free is often near free like CamelPhat and Ugo's Tunguska and Metallurgy. If you're a laptop looper make sure you check these out. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 21:00:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922923BEFE; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=r1Ia3NOWU+v+lCDqNC1iqhe7GAEGr5mJMP9sSKChIC1xWj4Jf3SCUxznf9zh7Gz8O2THdQHtuk4g9cBzd1ZEPPlqD68OApJ7c6tON18JYYkDaVoHEWScTKAoOO4LN3N1lKn0etsIyDfRNaQjhTI/iv0I/WZPl8KpAkuginPxGOI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:00:25 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new AU Ninjam client MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: dac266c114da1060 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:00:27 +0000 (UTC) I did it as a Mac AU just because that's what I'm most familiar with. It would probably be relatively easy for me to do a VST version, but the thing is I'm doing a GUI for it and I'm doing a Mac GUI, beacuse that's what I have. The concept's simple enough, and I'll be posting the source code, so I'm sure a PC guy could take it and run with it easily enough. Stay tuned for updates! cheers, os. > From: "markfrancombe.com" > > Wow Os.. great work!!! > If this was what you were testing on my server, then Im proud. > I was JUST THIS MORNING thinking about the very same problem, I am working > (via ninjam) with a singer from Paris, and showing her some vocal processing > stuff using AudioMulch (cool PC app) and I then realised that I need her to > be able to get her mic thru AM then into Ninjam client, for transmission to > me.... sure its possible using odd routing things, but probably hell to set > up... but probably will still have to as your tool is mac... damn you!!!! > was it a simple job, I could ask around on the ninjam forums... > > mark > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Os" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:50 PM > Subject: new AU Ninjam client > > > > Hi, > > > > it may interest some of you to know that I've made a prototype Audio > > Unit plugin Ninjam client. > > > > Get it here: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ninjamplugin.html > > > > I've done this because my looping rig is my laptop, and using the > > existing Ninjam client on the same machine as everything else just > > doesn't seem to be feasible. > > > > Plus this allows for lots of exciting multi-channel routing > > possibilies later on - but right now, it's definitely no more than > > proof-of-concept! > > > > Feedback very welcome - mail me off list or on my forum > > (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=85index.php). > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 21:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53EB3BF08; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zqyBgdGGZ2v7Im9cnyWNu99Z4lFRzukX0Sk/1jcg7jli0n+9ybReXR+F/sJRO1t9g4XBQFDMsRORtIZorX5n1NYJleKyKnsjDFGRDAB4mmIfhU59bkfr0C214KsdJwPY1orE32fgCVMXxi76disoJvYaIkpnZ4WJea+AKmPk6Ng= ; Message-ID: <20061113213513.80864.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: MUSE RECEPTOR (was: Re: laptop setup - which rack to use) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BDFA@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:35:14 +0000 (UTC) --- Jeff Larson wrote: > And at that point you > have to compare it to an ordinary rack mount PC and > decide whether the > marginally improved stability is worth more than > being able to run any software you want. That's exactly the conclusion I came to. Perhaps a bit more rugged than the average laptop or desktop, but in the end not worth the limitations. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 22:13:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C413BF0B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=s2FoLx/bTfgLR+m/q+X0Xu+qy82rgxDsy4hg4aIPHtUHlrxUKjIxV1qzGv59bS6CH9ouBnLaS3Q9Eyx9CZBpue7jfUAvS8EsJdmRZE5zzVr4vLY5akaBPfpOwTIlB8IjdxMTmlg1vYfZtShA63kpgW62dHbROjraZgXDpXzINcU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:13:47 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: new AU Ninjam client In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6c33deb22b94266d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:13:50 +0000 (UTC) On 13/11/06, Os wrote: > Stay tuned for updates! Such as this one... I just got the plugin working with multiple ins and outs. This is where it gets really cool. I set it up for 4 ins and 9 outs - so that's 2 /4 stereo pairs plus an extra output just for the metronome. I connected to a jamfarm server to test and got three muscians, each coming through on his own fader inside Ableton Live. So now I can do what I do (sample, loop, process other musicians inside Live, mostly) but over the internet! w00t! Just need to do the tedious bit of writing the gui now so you can actually drive it without recoding it all the time. :) cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 02:11:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E013BEF6; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IH2VEtwoA3cb0y/rb/dV/v7cWSOqc8uqzMe7Vjx9LtNa/WFS/xPb37LdSO+4t1TM5LBIQ4dEXZvrc5Fpy+qOU7oPGjGGiDBA3XOaLjhujcr4wrKIs+grzDtpbKZMjkw1zAxT+D3CJ93kZg+jc8pSFqQDvzU74SWQjOSS7oOFD2E= ; Message-ID: <20061114021138.34700.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4552021A.3020707@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Yes,i believe it was me asking for something that would switch my DL4 from delay mode to loop mode without having to reach over on stage.Although i was turned off right away by looking at it and decided to keep it ol´ fashion;-) cheers Luis --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of > contraption on here a > while back? > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with > bending down and > > turning the output knob down manually.....sounds > fun, eh? Perhaps one > > could build some bizarre contraption that attaches > one end of a rubber > > belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other > end to the gear > > shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > > > > kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > > > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM > > Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just > Recieved Mine > > > > > >> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop > so as not to have an > >> abrupt > >> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with > no feedback, I can > >> slowly > >> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't > really like for all of the > >> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar > playing. > >> > >> Dave Eichenberger- > >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get > your point. It > >>> ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But > if I had to > >>> play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig > with the > >>> RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop > enough > >>> interesting material on that little red baby to > do all sorts > >>> of bizarre stuff. > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 03:29:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F336F3BF05; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Kty1E1x4Jhun60vH6ZvDFE3KnaOevnIQWiZaf5wrlzAFhLu7+7zgwnF3hzBakA9+tbvUyZi3jyg4z+8gCz5Wtv1EzWep+FEF/gN3U/ihOAt5QI49Qs+92eAfquKCDT2mjsx3bqU7dxM3ICL1MQ3VarkUrB4lcMuzipaV/fc7gdo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:29:25 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:29:54 +0000 (UTC) This is what I'm thinking is type of computer case that would be best for a gigging musician: a case with a integrated touchscreen, so that for calling up presets and general navigation you don't need a keyboard or external monitor: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm I think one of these with an Intel Core Duo would beat the heck out of a Muse Receptor. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 03:34:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D8B3BF06; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tzVfNa3+o40+JAm8cb+vKjWANGwk1XZtXiQ+3KXd3dP62TioimRE5gC2Dm2ZDRc3IV5kfLCm3ljXxN+RWHjfat8hWMoLxBEQxP2mv9iob1QkmGLryjsDhxvpvDh3OIVxBqTQV6JZZCfacEoH17Hn9wE29ege9HqkOaam7AY1L+s= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611131934k7a89f687i8bf82161bc811b62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:34:31 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Duh, they do make it with rackmount handles: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-ra01.htm Now, you got to admit this is very, very cool. On 11/13/06, Art Simon wrote: > This is what I'm thinking is type of computer case that would be best > for a gigging musician: a case with a integrated touchscreen, so that > for calling up presets and general navigation you don't need a > keyboard or external monitor: > > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm > > I think one of these with an Intel Core Duo would beat the heck out of > a Muse Receptor. > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 03:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7395B3BF0D; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "David O'Heare" To: References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:42:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Status: Resent-Message-ID: <4Q8S9C.A.qyB.7sTWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:42:52 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears > > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm > Uh, the rackmount ears are apparently included; they're down a screen or so from the bottom of the page. The problem I see with this case is that it's $600. Yeah, I suppose having the touch screen adds a chunk, but still... Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 04:31:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF993BF04; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455946B4.1070905@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:31:48 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:31:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm not even remotely in the market, but that's badass. Though I also dug the one built into the heavy case, with 17" monitor, making a really durable laptop that could take desktop components. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > This is what I'm thinking is type of computer case that would be best > for a gigging musician: a case with a integrated touchscreen, so that > for calling up presets and general navigation you don't need a > keyboard or external monitor: > > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 05:19:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2783BF0E; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:19:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20061114021138.34700.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:19:57 +0000 (UTC) I'm wondering how the third hand handles half shaft potentiometers like the ones that come on Line 6 pedals, or if it can only be used on solid or split shaft pots.. Any one with experience with the third hand and line 6 pedals. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine Yes,i believe it was me asking for something that would switch my DL4 from delay mode to loop mode without having to reach over on stage.Although i was turned off right away by looking at it and decided to keep it ol´ fashion;-) cheers Luis --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Actually, didn't somebody post that exact sort of > contraption on here a > while back? > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Got it. I guess with this unit you are stuck with > bending down and > > turning the output knob down manually.....sounds > fun, eh? Perhaps one > > could build some bizarre contraption that attaches > one end of a rubber > > belt to the output knob of the RC-2, and the other > end to the gear > > shaft of a volume pedal...heck, it might work. :) > > > > kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > > > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:10 PM > > Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just > Recieved Mine > > > > > >> Right, my concern was 'getting out' of the loop > so as not to have an > >> abrupt > >> end to all of the loops. With the DL4, even with > no feedback, I can > >> slowly > >> fade the loop out with an exp pedal. I don't > really like for all of the > >> sound to stop at once to leave a lone guitar > playing. > >> > >> Dave Eichenberger- > >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Well, that could be a bit extreme, but I get > your point. It > >>> ain't no Looperlative, that's for certain! But > if I had to > >>> play an avant-garde or experimental looping gig > with the > >>> RC-2, I could do it. In one minute I can loop > enough > >>> interesting material on that little red baby to > do all sorts > >>> of bizarre stuff. > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 05:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327793BF12; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c707ae$91b85870$b9c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #5 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:34:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C70773.E4E9F5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:34:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C70773.E4E9F5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html Ted Killian=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/jniusjifyy.mp3 Ted Killian with Rick Walker http://www.box.net/public/static/sxbea3295z.mp3 Miro http://www.box.net/public/static/q5fd9p4mi9.mp3 Mandoman=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/cdyccjgx1g.mp3 Bill Walker Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/kyv4p7r6x7.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/eocjkiaqib.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/lhm4okjtvm.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C70773.E4E9F5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C70773.E4E9F5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 05:47:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E80843BF1C; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:41:50 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c707af$98f060f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccHcP8LuMe5YtxqQSaRTd/PU0B44wAPog4A In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:47:00 +0000 (UTC) see subject!=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: expertsleepers@googlemail.com=20 > [mailto:expertsleepers@googlemail.com] Im Auftrag von Os > Gesendet: Montag, 13. November 2006 23:14 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Re: new AU Ninjam client >=20 > On 13/11/06, Os wrote: > > Stay tuned for updates! >=20 > Such as this one... >=20 > I just got the plugin working with multiple ins and outs.=20 > This is where it gets really cool. >=20 > I set it up for 4 ins and 9 outs - so that's 2 /4 stereo=20 > pairs plus an extra output just for the metronome. I=20 > connected to a jamfarm server to test and got three muscians,=20 > each coming through on his own fader inside Ableton Live. >=20 > So now I can do what I do (sample, loop, process other=20 > musicians inside Live, mostly) but over the internet! w00t! >=20 > Just need to do the tedious bit of writing the gui now so you=20 > can actually drive it without recoding it all the time. :) >=20 >=20 > cheers, > os. >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 15:13:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DD2B3BF02; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gMoXVYmI1NDRzwC2WRTnDbbwFK+KbCpGSYOsb1HjX/Q6w072pAAdWimdOLJCpeKUvDYSW2BEsEdxaA4fkXg1lb5aJifktfSrNVh15ukzKBdKNHDNS8IXNf4RFamD7cpoWgvhbg5jAj/fql7Js5CQ3FuIYYgYMe8BChyWkcIt7ME= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <35519F5A-D6A0-49BF-B8D1-800B1CD7DD78@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:13:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) On 1 nov 2006 Os wrote: > Hi, > > this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of > Augustus Loop. From the manual: > > "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in > that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when > externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks > at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the > tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. > > "This is a problem if you are using multiple instances of Augustus > Loop in a Live song, with one AL set to generate MIDI clock, Live > synced to that clock, and the other ALs set to 'Host Tempo' mode. When > you use Tap Record to record your loop in the master AL, the other ALs > will be given a slightly wrong tempo by Live and the loops will be out > of sync. > > "Turning on 'rounded tempo' in AL solves this problem by only ever > generating MIDI clock at rounded values. The downside is that the loop > length will not be quite what you wanted, but it may be good enough, > depending largely on your musical style and whether you record the > first loop 'silent' simply to set the tempo. > > "With this mode turned on, when you use Tap Record the loop end will > be slightly later than when you tap to close the loop. E.g. if you > record a loop that would have a tempo of 122.3bpm, AL actually keeps > recording until the loop length matches a tempo of 122bpm." When I'm re-pitching the loop while overdubbing I get harsh noise when going from a slow speed to a much faster. Is this intended in the plug-in? Not that it sounds totally bad, I'm just curious. Here's an audio example of playing an EWI's audio through Augustus Loop 1.6.1 while also feeding the plug-in with the MIDI note data generated by the EWI playing (warning for those harsh noise sounds - do not crank this mp3 in headphones): http://www.looproom.com/audio/EWI_Augustus_Noise.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 16:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F00C3BEFC; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:36:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE38@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c707af$98f060f0$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! thread-index: AccHcP8LuMe5YtxqQSaRTd/PU0B44wAPog4AABXntjA= From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:36:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > see subject!=20 I'm willing to take a look at it if no one else wants to. The basic VST wiring shouldn't be too hard. The UI will probably be the hardest part because I would want to use VSTGUI and I don't normally use that. Any VSTGUI hackers on the list? Note though that there is a theoretical legal problem. The Ninjam client code (which I assume the AU plugin is based on) is licensed as GPL. This means that all other code that is combined with it in an "assembly" must have a license that is "compatible with the GPL". Steinberg's VST SDK uses a license that is not compatible with GPL. This has been a long standing complaint on the VST forum, but Steinberg shows no signs of changing this. What this means is that if there was some asshole with too much free time and a lawyer, they could prevent us from distributing the VST Ninjam plugin. I seriously doubt anyone from Cockos is going to have a problem with this, but it would be good manners to tell them about it. A big thanks to Os for doing this! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 17:34:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3193BEFE; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jw7bA5yFHtKu9vmju469mYjkHMVQSRDIJpYiUHlbbLDh7+Lh7ZwxJrzXxuw4ZaarTF82kp8ZO5tOZcS2Ak2lSfAcQCyNvu0xvkEXtfwHNXnSEjl6rIE4mUWQmDRLJcXStj1g1dQbDeJT5wsyx87nSXkm/6w6beMXJbh75WCVbl8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:33:59 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE38@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c707af$98f060f0$1001a8c0@succubus> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE38@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:34:02 +0000 (UTC) I've already told Os that I'd take a look when he gets it done. I've done a little VST programming, so I figured I'd take a shot at it. I do have to read up more on the VSTGUI stuff. It's been a while since I dug into VST. Tony On 11/14/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > see subject! > > I'm willing to take a look at it if no one else wants to. The basic > VST wiring shouldn't be too hard. The UI will probably be the hardest > part because I would want to use VSTGUI and I don't normally use that. > Any VSTGUI hackers on the list? > > Note though that there is a theoretical legal problem. The Ninjam > client code (which I assume the AU plugin is based on) is licensed as > GPL. This means that all other code that is combined with it in an > "assembly" must have a license that is "compatible with the GPL". > > Steinberg's VST SDK uses a license that is not compatible with GPL. > This has been a long standing complaint on the VST forum, but > Steinberg shows no signs of changing this. What this means is that if > there was some asshole with too much free time and a lawyer, they > could prevent us from distributing the VST Ninjam plugin. > > I seriously doubt anyone from Cockos is going to have a problem with > this, but it would be good manners to tell them about it. > > A big thanks to Os for doing this! > > Jeff > > -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 17:41:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9323BF15; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:41:57 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE48@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! thread-index: AccIExQZjExM7uiMQ161skcxMY5SewAALnrA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:41:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Tony K > I've already told Os that I'd take a look when he gets it done. I've > done a little VST programming, so I figured I'd take a shot at it. Great! Let me know if you would like any help. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 20:24:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029623BEFB; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455A25AF.7080906@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:23:11 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: laptop setup - which rack to use References: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c706a8$ed5dfa60$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Pz9CD.A.9YG.NYiWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Sorry if anyone else already mentioned these. FYI you can fit most PCI buss cards in a 3 ru chassis without a riser card. I have built 6 or 7 rack mount computers, and the latest ones use this chassis: http://www.plinkusa.net/webal4032.htm# this place has lightweight and shallower chassis, too: http://www.directron.com/raccas.html Here is the KVM setup I like for portable racks: http://www.middleatlantic.com/dcm/rackmount/lcdmonitorKeyboard.htm Portable rack cases that are deep enough for PC's are a little scarce off the shelf. These are the best: http://www.hardigg.com/hardigg_cases/rackmount_cases.htm We've got lots of Hardigg shipping cases, and they are fantastic. Spendy, though. -Henry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 21:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93673BEFE; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611111411u5142ebedg81ff1a9686096beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061111004001.80264.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061111180754.84684.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0611111411u5142ebedg81ff1a9686096beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:46:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Software to replace multieffects box (was Laptop loopers, what do you do with your favorite rack gear?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_OI6lC.A.lt.NEjWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:11:41 +0000 (UTC) At 2:11 PM -0800 11/11/06, Art Simon wrote: > >Devine Machine has a new Filter/Delay called vMinion: >http://www.devine-machine.com/documents/45.html >I haven't tried it, but it looks very cool. I've been using Minion for about a year now, and it's a blast for cool filtering effects. I pull it out first thing whenever I need some sort of dynamic filter. It rarely fails to take me in some interesting new direction. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 21:24:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EF213BEFE; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1163524994.4559fb8295a0b@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:23:14 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Jeff Larson Subject: RE: Re: new AU Ninjam client - PLEASE ANYONE PUT THAT OUT FOR VST/Windows!!! References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE38@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13BE38@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, I'm willing to lend a hand if needed.. :) I'm not VSTGUI savvy, but I'm coding proficient.. ;) peace -cpr Quoting Jeff Larson : > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > see subject! > > I'm willing to take a look at it if no one else wants to. The basic > VST wiring shouldn't be too hard. The UI will probably be the hardest > part because I would want to use VSTGUI and I don't normally use that. > Any VSTGUI hackers on the list? > > Note though that there is a theoretical legal problem. The Ninjam > client code (which I assume the AU plugin is based on) is licensed as > GPL. This means that all other code that is combined with it in an > "assembly" must have a license that is "compatible with the GPL". > > Steinberg's VST SDK uses a license that is not compatible with GPL. > This has been a long standing complaint on the VST forum, but > Steinberg shows no signs of changing this. What this means is that if > there was some asshole with too much free time and a lawyer, they > could prevent us from distributing the VST Ninjam plugin. > > I seriously doubt anyone from Cockos is going to have a problem with > this, but it would be good manners to tell them about it. > > A big thanks to Os for doing this! > > Jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 21:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7D93BF04; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E1iERuycAcYfgB9sacZgc4JeUUVF7a1T3p5Lu/Q36ryezZwlhya7Hhc++QzLllYssNl/OTyFuPF7qGn6c1UXZhV+m6NYgX7bhgqe/tTvVYvjA84ajTlZpHvZk/GE1sLvI0u9wJekD23Ag3HE/F7OqZRges5NjSKcrhSHF5/2knE= ; Message-ID: <20061114215249.6845.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <35519F5A-D6A0-49BF-B8D1-800B1CD7DD78@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <35CpV.A.z6C.yqjWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Woah. At first I was all, "Oh that's not too bad" but by the end I was holding my ears yelling "SPOCK!" --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 1 nov 2006 Os wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > this might be of interest to some - new in > yesterday's release of > > Augustus Loop. From the manual: > > > > "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation > in Ableton Live, in > > that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted > plug-ins when > > externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if > Live receives clocks > > at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted > plug-ins that the > > tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains > something of a mystery. > > > > "This is a problem if you are using multiple > instances of Augustus > > Loop in a Live song, with one AL set to generate > MIDI clock, Live > > synced to that clock, and the other ALs set to > 'Host Tempo' mode. When > > you use Tap Record to record your loop in the > master AL, the other ALs > > will be given a slightly wrong tempo by Live and > the loops will be out > > of sync. > > > > "Turning on 'rounded tempo' in AL solves this > problem by only ever > > generating MIDI clock at rounded values. The > downside is that the loop > > length will not be quite what you wanted, but it > may be good enough, > > depending largely on your musical style and > whether you record the > > first loop 'silent' simply to set the tempo. > > > > "With this mode turned on, when you use Tap Record > the loop end will > > be slightly later than when you tap to close the > loop. E.g. if you > > record a loop that would have a tempo of 122.3bpm, > AL actually keeps > > recording until the loop length matches a tempo of > 122bpm." > > > When I'm re-pitching the loop while overdubbing I > get harsh noise > when going from a slow speed to a much faster. Is > this intended in > the plug-in? > > Not that it sounds totally bad, I'm just curious. > Here's an audio > example of playing an EWI's audio through Augustus > Loop 1.6.1 while > also feeding the plug-in with the MIDI note data > generated by the EWI > playing (warning for those harsh noise sounds - do > not crank this mp3 > in headphones): > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/EWI_Augustus_Noise.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 22:40:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECE533BF07; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=eH+mHz64P9HVz0zQ8BziCI5IiDfNJ+wANeEAZMUezaJv2oX0R3hFOnzLX+ywiHJGtI38+nk7Pq/MWNgaUyoM3pFmF8/zVZK1UdvxOER7kYYKqttQUpLqzON2Z2MbAa6JV6QlApiVIbLRTi/DOXBUuj+bU0Yr2MSp49eCShONwZs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:40:39 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users Cc: "Per Boysen" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: fed5e96730ecb004 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, no, it shouldn't do that, that sounds horrid. I guess I'll take a look, see if I can reproduce it. It might help if you could mail me the AU preset so I know I'm using the same settings. By the way, please mail me direct or use my forum for bug reports - I only check this list in digest mode and it's easy to miss stuff. cheers, os. > > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:13:40 +0100 > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users > Message-Id: <35519F5A-D6A0-49BF-B8D1-800B1CD7DD78@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On 1 nov 2006 Os wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of > > Augustus Loop. From the manual: > > > > "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in > > that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when > > externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks > > at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the > > tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. > > > > "This is a problem if you are using multiple instances of Augustus > > Loop in a Live song, with one AL set to generate MIDI clock, Live > > synced to that clock, and the other ALs set to 'Host Tempo' mode. When > > you use Tap Record to record your loop in the master AL, the other ALs > > will be given a slightly wrong tempo by Live and the loops will be out > > of sync. > > > > "Turning on 'rounded tempo' in AL solves this problem by only ever > > generating MIDI clock at rounded values. The downside is that the loop > > length will not be quite what you wanted, but it may be good enough, > > depending largely on your musical style and whether you record the > > first loop 'silent' simply to set the tempo. > > > > "With this mode turned on, when you use Tap Record the loop end will > > be slightly later than when you tap to close the loop. E.g. if you > > record a loop that would have a tempo of 122.3bpm, AL actually keeps > > recording until the loop length matches a tempo of 122bpm." > > > When I'm re-pitching the loop while overdubbing I get harsh noise > when going from a slow speed to a much faster. Is this intended in > the plug-in? > > Not that it sounds totally bad, I'm just curious. Here's an audio > example of playing an EWI's audio through Augustus Loop 1.6.1 while > also feeding the plug-in with the MIDI note data generated by the EWI > playing (warning for those harsh noise sounds - do not crank this mp3 > in headphones): > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/EWI_Augustus_Noise.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 23:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6334C3BF01; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=XlS2s2GBJ9k7Q9G4yNnBbv/QGYAh+fS9raWi059oThycGFNlRjgq/9CL2/CiZlX+ZtTI9r6z7wnkCfdRJYqb0jzw3cam/wN0NaeZcaI4QFqMWOkChu8k5QWLM+FK1PVzmVtZT4jpkC/KeVxWTJyuw5qIAfs0o0DnJLNeM3gevtQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:10:58 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new AU Ninjam client MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1ca4fb663d9bcb46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Really glad this has sparked so much interest! Thanks to all who've offered to help. The proper GUI version is progressing well - I'll try to post it asap so everyone else can start looking at it. It involves a few small edits to the underlying ninjam client code, so even if the windows guys completely rewrite my GUI, it would be good if we could all use these same mods. I posted on the ninjam developers forum this morning, so the rest of the community is kept informed. Another intriguing possibility this opens up occurred to me - since you can host more than one of these plug-ins in an app at once, you could easily connect to multiple ninjam servers and pass audio between them. Useful? Maybe not, but fun, I'm sure. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 01:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E903BEF7; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EYF4JVMBvfUuf7kdwnfBeehot50mKYyB5sf/vJ016qov/PSUKkB2osZluRYMxZxDoNRneRh83sMY/8SIfh3SE0OisH6I89VaqsQD8eNdfYuPCKcNztRGXr1amYO8143I1UYzzCC+1jr5IPcRgd9F2gS2bEXDkJo0rZ587bvvINE= Message-ID: <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:54:36 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears In-Reply-To: <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:54:38 +0000 (UTC) that would be a pretty sweet looping setup :) i'd do it Charlie On 11/13/06, David O'Heare wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears > > > > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm > > > > > Uh, the rackmount ears are apparently included; they're down a screen or so > from the bottom of the page. > > The problem I see with this case is that it's $600. Yeah, I suppose having > the touch screen adds a chunk, but still... > > Dave O'Heare > oheareATmagmaDOTca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 02:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC7F3BEF7; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061114212236.01a582d8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:25:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears In-Reply-To: <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2781hD.A.6tH.EqnWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:25:08 +0000 (UTC) That is essentially what I have.... except that mine is a 1u rackmount with a 7" touchscreen that I set on top of the rack. But this setup would be great, those extra pci slots..... it may have to be my next computer project! Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 08:54 PM 11/14/2006, you wrote: >that would be a pretty sweet looping setup :) >i'd do it > >Charlie > >On 11/13/06, David O'Heare wrote: >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> > Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears >> > >> > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm >> > >> >> >>Uh, the rackmount ears are apparently included; they're down a screen or so >>from the bottom of the page. >> >>The problem I see with this case is that it's $600. Yeah, I suppose having >>the touch screen adds a chunk, but still... >> >>Dave O'Heare >>oheareATmagmaDOTca >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 03:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8202E3BF01; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:19:47 -0500 To: From: mech Subject: Re: 3rd Hand + DL-4(was: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:20:21 +0000 (UTC) At 9:19 PM -0800 11/13/06, William Walker wrote: >I'm wondering how the third hand handles half shaft potentiometers like the >ones that come on Line 6 pedals, or if it can only be used on solid or split >shaft pots.. Any one with experience with the third hand and line 6 pedals. Well, I'll be happy to actually try out that combination when I finally get back home, but it's going to be a coupla weeks yet. :P However, the 3rd Hand terminates in a cylindrical socket secured with a single side-screw, IIRC. As long as the shaft can fit inside the socket in the first place, I think it ought to work okay. If anything, you might only need to replace the current side-screw with a longer one that would reach far enough to rest against the flat side of the half-shaft. Or, if that were still an issue, I wouldn't imagine it being much more than about a 20 minute job to have a local machine shop rough out an "adapter" that would firmly hold the half-shaft in the socket. Since the pots have a smooth continuous flow, I could envision the 3rd Hand working okay with the Tweek, Tweeze, and Mix knobs. However, I wonder if you might get into trouble using it for the DL-4's Algorithm knob. With a detented knob like that one, I'd think it would be an enormous pain to use your foot to zero in on the "notch" for a particular algorithm. --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 03:33:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1A63BF04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f08wvuTlU5+0KrqHbmTRFnJeLVdb+6HsWEk+TwOCTlleALqn5fyP6wz7go4Jf+3rNUgEn9WOkcE5Lu7/n7DxyRCeSt24Ne520yLVHAX2w+z7syAobVJeswAzr46xsQwxsy5h91EONK2tdk6h6hgTPxnIgoPKDzNhd2RRmp5dK5Q= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611141933g4ff61d3fx81a174297b8803c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:33:36 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061114212236.01a582d8@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061114212236.01a582d8@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Paul, Do you have any photos of your setup? I'm trying to visualize my next build. . On 11/14/06, paul wrote: > That is essentially what I have.... except that mine is a 1u rackmount with > a 7" touchscreen that I set on top of the rack. But this setup would be > great, those extra pci slots..... it may have to be my next computer project! > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > At 08:54 PM 11/14/2006, you wrote: > >that would be a pretty sweet looping setup :) > >i'd do it > > > >Charlie > > > >On 11/13/06, David O'Heare wrote: > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >> > Somebody needs to make one of these with 19" rackmount ears > >> > > >> > http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc18.htm > >> > > >> > >> > >>Uh, the rackmount ears are apparently included; they're down a screen or so > >>from the bottom of the page. > >> > >>The problem I see with this case is that it's $600. Yeah, I suppose having > >>the touch screen adds a chunk, but still... > >> > >>Dave O'Heare > >>oheareATmagmaDOTca > >> > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 03:55:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B5DC3BF04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.148.185.96] Message-ID: <455A8FA6.9070108@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:55:18 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-2, 11/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <0X4GvB.A.H7D.0-oWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Per, Sadly, I heard the artifacts you described tonight. Horrible! I wasn't using the ASIO drivers either. I'm on an old version of Adobe audition that doesn't recognize ASIO, so I'm just using it plug-and-play. Makes me think it's possibly a hardware issue. However, I've successfully used a USB interface, so I don't think that's the issue. I just wish I had known about this up front. I need an interface more than I need an portable recorder. I'll be on the phone with their support tomorrow. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > You won't hear the artifacts when you play an audio input because your > source audio is "leaking" through the ASIO direct monitoring and > masking the drop-outs (the analog signal of the H4 is very good). Try > to set up a long delay or reverb, in your audio application, with only > wet sound (no direct instrument going through it). Then you can play > something and stay silent and listen to what you just played coming > back through the delay/reverb. > > I'm afraid it is not as much a driver issue as it is a USB2 protocol > issue (for sound cards you should look for Firewire or PCI). But the > H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! And I'm totally > happy with using it as a pre amp, merge box and reverb unit before my > laptop (with another "clean" audio interface). > > per > > > > On 11 nov 2006, at 01.20, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> That's weird. I didn't notice any artifacts, but I haven't really >> run it through the ringer yet. I'll play with it some more and see >> if I can get it to reproduce your results. If so, I'm going to be >> all over Zoom to fix that as I bought it specifically because it >> could double as an interface and I need it to work. >> >> Thanks for the heads-up! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Yes, of course. By writing "the dedicated software drivers" I meant >>> the "H4 ASIO Driver Version 1.0.0.1". AFAIK there are no other >>> drivers for H4 (I tried ASIO4ALL but it did not detect the hardware, >>> but on Mac the OS X took care of it right away, although still with >>> tiny audio artifacts) . I'm hoping an update to the ASIO driver is >>> due soon... ;-) >>> >>> per >>> >>> >>> On 10 nov 2006, at 02.22, Joshua Carroll wrote: >>> >>>> Ha! Very cool. >>>> >>>> Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any problems >>>> getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... >>>> >>>> --Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 >>>>> >>>>>> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works >>>>>> as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in >>>>>> effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface >>>>>> mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting >>>>>> found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. >>>>>> The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so >>>>>> far. I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've >>>>>> been getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it >>>>>> along. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Josh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this >>>>> morning to check out, and may have some information to share. >>>>> Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the >>>>> software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather >>>>> say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I >>>>> tested it for hours and although I used the largest available >>>>> buffer I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X >>>>> and not in Windows XP with the dedicated software drivers. I'm >>>>> glad I don't have to review it in a magazine because the marketing >>>>> of it is partly misleading. >>>>> >>>>> But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that >>>>> audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording >>>>> and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might >>>>> want to use it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also >>>>> awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable >>>>> field recorder. I like it so much that I decided to buy one as a >>>>> replacement for my old portable DAT recorder. >>>>> >>>>> And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - >>>>> as a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the >>>>> H4 with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth >>>>> clarinet. Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the >>>>> PCMCIA sound card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal >>>>> set-up that sounds decently ok. Two instantly connected >>>>> instruments of which one is electric and can be used for heavily >>>>> distorted sounds that would not be possible with a microphone. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>>> http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 04:25:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8812B3BF04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c7086e$119cec30$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061114212236.01a582d8@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: OT: videos at random? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:25:21 +0100 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Maybe it's been asked so many times but ... May somebody tell me about some video tool capable of choosing at random among a pool of short videos? Thanks in advance, RBT The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 04:28:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFB03BF13; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: nq_jFzYVM1lcjEpiFX3ttWOy0RA7OsOajR41O86kNEg.Hp8nA5iPwED4VbbP2EcvXCGyIkbqurj18yyM3Cx9iA4_NgGVRfl.vqAss4AD.iUyRnGou9Beug-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001601c7086e$119cec30$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <588ce11d0611131929i6a2427acpddbc41a707f8cb8d@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c7079e$f182b210$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> <913728d60611141754x4b6a8f69v30f9687bfb0635b9@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061114212236.01a582d8@mail.wightman.ca> <001601c7086e$119cec30$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7507992ee1a03d7bdc628f3801399d39@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: videos at random? Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:28:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Jitter cycling74.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 14, 2006, at 8:25 PM, raul bonell wrote: > Maybe it's been asked so many times but ... > May somebody tell me about some video tool capable > of choosing at random among a pool of short videos? > > Thanks in advance, > RBT > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 08:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41AE73BEF6; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X+A76RIGYUbjsOi2ZAR1Zxbf2Vwo1FzPDqjhkFMiybBm0fRst3TXZP5I24WU2lYKtBCtU9+OHVTrO/N71qcy/kx8co3ByjBpXkyRjHm5E1a56InhOlwv9OlkAbEVdv34Pn8QiH1GTY2QgY1+6T5wZ1ypaQcV5TMneuoMLfJgmhI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94967E06-73EA-44B6-ACA9-906ACE4F0866@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new AU Ninjam client Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:05:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:05:42 +0000 (UTC) On 15 nov 2006, at 00.10, Os wrote: > Another intriguing possibility this opens up occurred to me - since > you can host more than one of these plug-ins in an app at once, you > could easily connect to multiple ninjam servers and pass audio between > them. Useful? Maybe not, but fun, I'm sure. Like a looper or a multi tap delay? Can't think about any useful application but it's a fascinating idea! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 08:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48383BF15; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jRoKAa8aSOxTHMwlzyUyp7LYCOo/7qjfRiQbAbIOGk8glvLzyLwe9fKXekEzpdfcZBLZ12zB4XwIXuZENE63l3t4Dy4h6l+QpszNxZ2T+oZfywnKVg3WSCqzCxYGIgAlKImlCCieiGb5V2xOib/KoeNEfRWzP/YXN2jyYvJYTBg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <455A8FA6.9070108@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <455A8FA6.9070108@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BDF225B-1392-47CB-80F5-CE8C6724C0F0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:11:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:11:32 +0000 (UTC) On 15 nov 2006, at 04.55, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Per, > > Sadly, I heard the artifacts you described tonight. Horrible! I > wasn't using the ASIO drivers either. I'm on an old version of > Adobe audition that doesn't recognize ASIO, so I'm just using it > plug-and-play. Makes me think it's possibly a hardware issue. > However, I've successfully used a USB interface, so I don't think > that's the issue. I just wish I had known about this up front. I > need an interface more than I need an portable recorder. > > I'll be on the phone with their support tomorrow. Ouch, that's bad news. Maybe you can get you're money back. It IS actually marketed as a viable audio interface. I'm still happy with the excellent stereo recording facility and the portability. Don't think I will use it as four track recorder though, only for stereo. I picked up a bigger cartridge for longer recording time. Now I just need to remember to take the thing with me wherever I go so I won't miss great sound spaces when I stumble into them ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 08:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D9053BF1D; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=RZNXulOKgiwyJA5hmY0pSOMBPzSqVfjhhTJvFtSJG8S7cC1ST9VO5zYYCQSis2vKHPpTZaSND8faHIcTbDXsq7Wb03+5CbhHEKpdt51ysgmxsBs8mY+I2yDZvfBVb5jAxc1jIy3fe/k0soPIf4SjU3798HSy61Sgn4+dhQwMqlg= ; X-YMail-OSG: 2rBMh74VM1n6rRgBbg0gtquJSu80BwO1FEMYpSN4z7qv6j025IBUwBiIULmA5u_ZamsliEw5Kg8EYtEKDImx4H2dKJESyb802UqJrCkGe7whFWr.hmbJkA-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:15:19 -0800 Subject: Re: 3rd Hand + DL-4(was: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine) From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0-Jvu.A.HrG.aysWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Gives me a hard on just reading it! (cylindrical socket, shaft, side-screw, 20 minute job, firmly hold the half-shaft in the socket, 3rd Hand, Tweek, Tweeze, and Mix, might get into trouble, Algorithm knob, detented knob, enormous pain, use your foot and zero in on the "notch"??!! Whachusay?! ... By the way, Recevied is misspelled in the subject line... And so is detented - what ever that means. L on 11/14/06 7:19 PM, mech wrote: > At 9:19 PM -0800 11/13/06, William Walker wrote: >> I'm wondering how the third hand handles half shaft potentiometers like the >> ones that come on Line 6 pedals, or if it can only be used on solid or split >> shaft pots.. Any one with experience with the third hand and line 6 pedals. > > Well, I'll be happy to actually try out that combination when I > finally get back home, but it's going to be a coupla weeks yet. :P > > However, the 3rd Hand terminates in a cylindrical socket secured with > a single side-screw, IIRC. As long as the shaft can fit inside the > socket in the first place, I think it ought to work okay. If > anything, you might only need to replace the current side-screw with > a longer one that would reach far enough to rest against the flat > side of the half-shaft. > > Or, if that were still an issue, I wouldn't imagine it being much > more than about a 20 minute job to have a local machine shop rough > out an "adapter" that would firmly hold the half-shaft in the socket. > > Since the pots have a smooth continuous flow, I could envision the > 3rd Hand working okay with the Tweek, Tweeze, and Mix knobs. > However, I wonder if you might get into trouble using it for the > DL-4's Algorithm knob. With a detented knob like that one, I'd think > it would be an enormous pain to use your foot to zero in on the > "notch" for a particular algorithm. > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 10:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A60A3BF01; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audio/video midi interaction Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:42:04 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: <6Wl55C.A.qxC.U8uWFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:42:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm working with a spanish VJ in these days, trying new (for me) live midi data interactions between audio and video that maybe could be interesting for someone in this list. My FCB midi out controls the Repeater and my keyboard. Midi signal destination is the Behringer BCR200, a Midi controller with fader and buttons that my friend uses to control some parameter and functions related to MODUL8, a Mac video software for live performance. We are associating some midi controls i use with the RPTR with some video control, so when i trigger a midi data it affects the video output. For example: - my volume cc is associated to the luminosity parameter of the video software, so, when i decrease the volume, the immages on screen become progressively dark (a sort of audio/midi fade out in syncro); - with the reverse/forward function i get the same effect on video (perfectly in sync). - or i can control blur, saturation, trasparency, etc...with my fcb sending midi controls to my Rptr. (Another interesting thing i want to test is feedback control associated to a video function that let me remove video layers ...) Not new, obviously, but intreresting, i think... Anyone trying something like this ? experiences ? Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 12:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1470E3BF01; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:19:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #502 for November 9, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <455B05CA.9010905@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:15:28 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061109.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #502 November 9, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Jupiter Menace" on and Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "In the Gardens of Pharao/Aguirre" by Popol Vuh on Celestial Harmonies Records and released in 1983. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Popol Vuh In the Gardens of In the Gardens of Pharao Pharao (Celestial Harmonies) Redshift Fuel RW2 (Distant Sun) Didymos Arduous Distance Grief Distance (Elodraama) Aetopus Era Trans Tempula (12 Ton) Free System Projekt And Then There Were Impulse (Strange Charm) 2 * 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synergy The Alignment Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Alien Earth Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Rampage of the Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Elements Synergy The Jupiter Menace Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Pueblo Bonito Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy The Prophecy Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Warriors Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Earth in Space Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Ancient Gods Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy The Plunge/Earth- Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) quake Simulation Synergy Solar Observatory Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy San Francisco 1906 Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy The Survivalists Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Cities On the Brink Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy The Mystery of Piri Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Reis Synergy Return to Admiral Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Byrd's Camp Synergy The Final Alignment Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Synergy Closing Theme Jupiter Menace (Third Contact) Free System Projekt And Then There Were Impulse (Strange Charm) 2 * Viridian Sun * Live, Paris Theater (Hypnos Secret Sounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Computer Experiments Volume One" on and Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 12:38:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47DA3BF06; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 15 Nov 2006 13:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: <45350.62.2.75.66.1163594320.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Audio/video midi interaction User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Sounds interesting, Fabio! We've worked in a similar direction, although not influencing video but rather a realtime 3D animation: Short description (German): http://xmlizer.biz/parascape/index.html Longer paper (Engish): http://xmlizer.biz/ICMC97.pdf Also the other way around: Generating music out of an existing movie: http://xmlizer.biz/barlow/index.html > > Not new, obviously, but intreresting, i think... > Anyone trying something like this ? experiences ? > > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:08:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32FC83BEFE; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:07:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: 3rd Hand + DL-4(was: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC) At 12:15 AM -0800 11/15/06, Larry Stites wrote: >Gives me a hard on just reading it! (cylindrical socket, shaft, side-screw, >20 minute job, firmly hold the half-shaft in the socket, 3rd Hand, Tweek, >Tweeze, and Mix, might get into trouble, Algorithm knob, detented knob, >enormous pain, use your foot and zero in on the "notch"??!! > >Whachusay?! ROTF LMAO! Why am I thinking you probably have a Snap-On Tools calendar on the wall above your mixing board. And mebbe even an old Rosie the Riveter poster too.... ;) >... And so is detented - what ever that means. Detented, from "detent". According to Wikipedia: "A detent is a method of dividing a smooth range of movement into one or more discrete "steps". The most common example would be that of a balance control on a piece of stereo equipment which seems to "click" or "snap" into the center position of its rotation, indicating the point where the volumes of the left and right channels are equal or "balanced" (hence the name )...." (okay, so I made an adjective up out of a noun/verb -- shoot me.) I had nothing to do with "Recieved", though, since that typo was in the subject line before I got to it. After 12 years in a podunk public school with no budget for anything except drilling us over and over in the 'three R's', I can almost always remember the "i before e except after c" rule. :) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9D93BF13; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <455B2859.6090003@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:46:49 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <455A8FA6.9070108@infinivert.com> <9BDF225B-1392-47CB-80F5-CE8C6724C0F0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9BDF225B-1392-47CB-80F5-CE8C6724C0F0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0649-0, 11/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I upgraded to the 2GB card myself, and I've been carrying it with me. Transporting it safely is a pain though. I have a large plastic mic case I've been carrying it in, along with all the accessories. It's nice, but it's bulky and makes setup time a little too slow for capturing some things. Worked well for my sis-in-law's clarinet recital this weekend, though. --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 nov 2006, at 04.55, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> Per, >> >> Sadly, I heard the artifacts you described tonight. Horrible! I >> wasn't using the ASIO drivers either. I'm on an old version of Adobe >> audition that doesn't recognize ASIO, so I'm just using it >> plug-and-play. Makes me think it's possibly a hardware issue. >> However, I've successfully used a USB interface, so I don't think >> that's the issue. I just wish I had known about this up front. I >> need an interface more than I need an portable recorder. >> >> I'll be on the phone with their support tomorrow. > > Ouch, that's bad news. Maybe you can get you're money back. It IS > actually marketed as a viable audio interface. > > I'm still happy with the excellent stereo recording facility and the > portability. Don't think I will use it as four track recorder though, > only for stereo. I picked up a bigger cartridge for longer recording > time. Now I just need to remember to take the thing with me wherever I > go so I won't miss great sound spaces when I stumble into them ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 19:25:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B307B3BF04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=LYjf58uzLkOZLL59ObGqChRYyubMYRxSwCnsVCLafM0lWq6rF24AP7oPvUM+ze91S7MpRCFdOskqKthp7SMxorbzxeZFfe/fHmnHHVWMS6UOnUKsvj4zDhy+wnwmEMR1kI8/HuyHKTMDI4WOdb5J2L81VD+itaqRo4o957Nre+M= ; X-YMail-OSG: JdiF8bIVM1kZgemw2AXGbQMY7lg0RsnRHQnxWeuNxpW7Jx6II.jEMt5tNCJNaVVHcHy.SaBl_CWYTTYomKCMRSYvtztkg_Su5nZBfNejzcWESbQIx0.rNg-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:29:54 -0800 Subject: Re: 3rd Hand + DL-4(was: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved Mine) From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Glad you liked it - how'd you know about the calendar? L on 11/15/06 6:07 AM, mech wrote: > At 12:15 AM -0800 11/15/06, Larry Stites wrote: >> Gives me a hard on just reading it! (cylindrical socket, shaft, side-screw, >> 20 minute job, firmly hold the half-shaft in the socket, 3rd Hand, Tweek, >> Tweeze, and Mix, might get into trouble, Algorithm knob, detented knob, >> enormous pain, use your foot and zero in on the "notch"??!! >> >> Whachusay?! > > ROTF LMAO! > > Why am I thinking you probably have a Snap-On Tools calendar on the > wall above your mixing board. > > And mebbe even an old Rosie the Riveter poster too.... ;) > >> ... And so is detented - what ever that means. > > Detented, from "detent". According to Wikipedia: > > "A detent is a method of dividing a smooth range of movement into one > or more discrete "steps". The most common example would be that of a > balance control on a piece of stereo equipment which seems to "click" > or "snap" into the center position of its rotation, indicating the > point where the volumes of the left and right channels are equal or > "balanced" (hence the name )...." > > (okay, so I made an adjective up out of a noun/verb -- shoot me.) > > I had nothing to do with "Recieved", though, since that typo was in > the subject line before I got to it. After 12 years in a podunk > public school with no budget for anything except drilling us over and > over in the 'three R's', I can almost always remember the "i before e > except after c" rule. :) > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 20:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94A53BEF4; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 415282574 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 3rd Hand + DL-4(was: Boss RC-2 Shipping Now...Just Recieved M ine) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:27:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C708F4.829C72BA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:27:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C708F4.829C72BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>... By the way, Recevied is misspelled in the subject line... And so is detented - what ever that means.<< but you spelt "received" wrong too, & "detented" IS spelt like that. :-) it means there are little notches to hold the switch in the right position.... like the ones in a stratocaster pickup switch..... that would make the 3rd-hand device difficult to use with it. anyway, if you took the knob off to fit the 3rd-hand, you wouldn't know which way it was pointing. besides, you'd only really need to do this if you were frequently going from one of the delay emulations into & out of looper mode, & an additional "proper" footswitch might be better for this. or a 2nd DL4. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>... By the way, Recevied is misspelled in the sub= ject line... And so is detented - what ever that means.<<

but you spelt "received" wrong too, & "= ;detented" IS spelt like that. :-)

it means there are little notches to hold the switch in t= he right position.... like the ones in a stratocaster pickup switch..... th= at would make the 3rd-hand device difficult to use with it. anyway, if you = took the knob off to fit the 3rd-hand, you wouldn't know which way it was p= ointing.

besides, you'd only really need to do this if you were fr= equently going from one of the delay emulations into & out of looper mo= de, & an additional "proper" footswitch might be better for t= his. or a 2nd DL4.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C708F4.829C72BA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 03:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268A23BEFB; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.133.158.102] Message-ID: <455BD729.3000607@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:12:41 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0649-0, 11/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I fixed the artifact issue (at least as it applies to the recording I'm working on). The file in question was recorded at 24-bit / 48k, and I was using the interface in 44.1k mode. I switched it to 48k, and now everything works. I'll have to play with mobius and see how that works since it needs 44.1 --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > You won't hear the artifacts when you play an audio input because your > source audio is "leaking" through the ASIO direct monitoring and > masking the drop-outs (the analog signal of the H4 is very good). Try > to set up a long delay or reverb, in your audio application, with only > wet sound (no direct instrument going through it). Then you can play > something and stay silent and listen to what you just played coming > back through the delay/reverb. > > I'm afraid it is not as much a driver issue as it is a USB2 protocol > issue (for sound cards you should look for Firewire or PCI). But the > H4 is great bang for the buck as a field recorder IMO! And I'm totally > happy with using it as a pre amp, merge box and reverb unit before my > laptop (with another "clean" audio interface). > > per > > > > On 11 nov 2006, at 01.20, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> That's weird. I didn't notice any artifacts, but I haven't really >> run it through the ringer yet. I'll play with it some more and see >> if I can get it to reproduce your results. If so, I'm going to be >> all over Zoom to fix that as I bought it specifically because it >> could double as an interface and I need it to work. >> >> Thanks for the heads-up! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Yes, of course. By writing "the dedicated software drivers" I meant >>> the "H4 ASIO Driver Version 1.0.0.1". AFAIK there are no other >>> drivers for H4 (I tried ASIO4ALL but it did not detect the hardware, >>> but on Mac the OS X took care of it right away, although still with >>> tiny audio artifacts) . I'm hoping an update to the ASIO driver is >>> due soon... ;-) >>> >>> per >>> >>> >>> On 10 nov 2006, at 02.22, Joshua Carroll wrote: >>> >>>> Ha! Very cool. >>>> >>>> Did you download the ASIO driver for it? I've not had any problems >>>> getting a great sound as an interface via ASIO... >>>> >>>> --Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:06:16 -0600 >>>>> >>>>>> Just thought I'd throw out a plug for the new Zoom H4. It works >>>>>> as a great 2x2 audio interface for Mobius (it has some built-in >>>>>> effects I haven't tried yet, but will work in audio-interface >>>>>> mode), and the other features make it ideal for collecting >>>>>> found-sounds or putting together rough song ideas on the fly. >>>>>> The built-in stereo condenser mic has really impressed me so >>>>>> far. I expected it to pretty much suck for the price, but I've >>>>>> been getting some excellent acoustic guitar recordings with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, for the price, I'm really happy, so I thought I'd pass it >>>>>> along. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Josh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Someone posted and asked about latency. I just picked one up this >>>>> morning to check out, and may have some information to share. >>>>> Regarding the option to use the H4 as an audio interface the >>>>> software drivers are bad news. So bad actually that I would rather >>>>> say that the H4 is not usable at all "as laptop sound card". I >>>>> tested it for hours and although I used the largest available >>>>> buffer I could not get a clean sound from it. Not on Mac with OS X >>>>> and not in Windows XP with the dedicated software drivers. I'm >>>>> glad I don't have to review it in a magazine because the marketing >>>>> of it is partly misleading. >>>>> >>>>> But the H4 is great for other purposes - just forget about that >>>>> audio interface dimension - like for example the stereo recording >>>>> and the effects. Good guitar sounds in there (Some people might >>>>> want to use it as a four track porta studio as well). H4 is also >>>>> awesome as a USB2 based SD card reader. And it rocks as a portable >>>>> field recorder. I like it so much that I decided to buy one as a >>>>> replacement for my old portable DAT recorder. >>>>> >>>>> And I did actually find a place for it in my laptop looping rig - >>>>> as a mic pre amp, merge box and input reverb unit :-) I feed the >>>>> H4 with one acoustic flute mic and one line level EWI synth >>>>> clarinet. Then I put a simple stereo cable from the H4 into the >>>>> PCMCIA sound card Echo Indigo i/o on my lappy. That's a minimal >>>>> set-up that sounds decently ok. 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While my husband was on the process, his boss got arrested for his Involvement in politics by financing the leading And opposing political parties (the Union of Right Forces, led by Boris Nemtsov, and Yabloko, a liberal/social democratic party Led by Gregor Yavlinsky) which poses treat to President Vladimir Putin Second Tenure as Russian president. You can catch more of the story on This website: http://www.supportmbk.com http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3213505.stm http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/11/13/51215.html http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2005/03/29/58914.html http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mikhail-khodorkovsky http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/11/13/51215.html YOUR ROLE: All we need from you is to stand as the beneficiary of the above quoted sum and once your acceptance is received, the funds will be re-profiled to your name to enable the European firm transfer the sum to you. My family and I have decided to use this sum to relocate to American continent and never to be connected to any of Mikhail khodorkovsky conglomerates. The transaction has to be concluded within 5 to 10 working days as soon as I confirm your readiness to conclude the transaction with me. Contact me via my private box: a_unit8133@excite.com so that I can furnish you with more details. Thank you very much, Regards, Vivian Misamore [Mrs.] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 08:50:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F366F3BEF6; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IMzPyU2JBj/JR5YeJaE0OFjsUxwkT90ZZB0MvJ6yp0a6fqOZAT6DIb0B6y+7TLUN2nNAlLdbwm0fdzHVAIf7CLdHCiXjDelfs1u1DYYdiYCvnTR7HmjQevZrhxu2Tr545YMFD5V6LU5DxCNnWVUi51FZE2Xxg+CkVk4a/1VVFwM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <455BD729.3000607@infinivert.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> <605F73A5-0BB3-478D-AC27-3851067B4F78@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061104231013.01b27170@tiscali.co.uk> <4553D464.4010701@infinivert.com> <17C5259E-4B07-417C-96EC-0B83B47DB782@gmail.com> <45551733.8080106@infinivert.com> <8D5DCF4F-2FA8-48D6-9F35-554F4272139A@gmail.com> <455BD729.3000607@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoom H4 for laptop looping Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:50:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:50:07 +0000 (UTC) On 16 nov 2006, at 04.12, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Hey, I fixed the artifact issue (at least as it applies to the > recording I'm working on). The file in question was recorded at 24- > bit / 48k, and I was using the interface in 44.1k mode. I switched > it to 48k, and now everything works. That's neat! Good to know if you need it as an audio interface without needing to use its effects. You can't use the nice built-in effects of the H4 other in 44.1 kHz. I think the reverb is excellent and so are the different guitar amp simulations. 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------=_NextPart_000_02B0_01C58A95.FDEE72F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 11:21:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3963B3BF07; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010c01c70971$5b2786e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Industrial Belly Dancing meets Live Looping Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:21:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:21:28 +0000 (UTC) How's this for an unusual mixture of live looping, industrial, gothic and world ethnic music. I'm debuting a project with Switchblade Symphony founding member, Robin Jacobs and the amazing multi-instrumentalist John Connell playing Industrial Belly Dancing music on Friday at Club Caution in Santa Cruz (516 Front Street). I'll be playing traditional middleeastern instruments from Egypt , west, to the Maghreb; playing traditional belly dancing rhythms but I"m going to be using a lot of live DSP processing and live looping to f*ck those sounds up and make them very dark and intense. I'm calling the project nO thiN - g. We go on at midnight if anyone wants to catch it. Any beginning beginner belly dancer will be able to dance to the rhythms and I have a plethora of beautiful dancers coming from all over to perform. See you there? Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 11:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB0F3BF19; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:33:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <455C4C74.8030103@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <_O54u.A.O_G.MuEXFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:29:17 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the the month-long Special Focus on Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Computer Experiments Volume One" on Third Contact Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. I wil also play music by AirSculpture who will be in concert in Philadelphia Saturday night. I will also play the music of Synthetic Block who will be at The Gate on Friday with special guest Dave Fulton of Dweller at the Threshold. Details at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 11:44:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D31CC3BF22; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LW704aP8dF6OG4oFll2CGKNphqlnqVS/osmMlDotYcYT+BnZFDYExG6ksv4zs5VKyl3qUil9huqRtIIieB9/vvV1RigraGRhaI9bO69w/eLTBUtWLV+jEhIaxzUrQOMF1oZ8IRDN2Gm5wLdlmUSRwlR+22bYuvJypsUq35N4CT8= In-Reply-To: <010c01c70971$5b2786e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010c01c70971$5b2786e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5DE47D5A-751F-42CC-9D40-536440E6AE65@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Industrial Belly Dancing meets Live Looping Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:44:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:44:26 +0000 (UTC) On 16 nov 2006, at 12.21, loop.pool wrote: > on Friday at Club Caution in Santa Cruz (516 Front Street). > > I'll be playing traditional middleeastern instruments from Egypt , > west, to the Maghreb; > playing traditional belly dancing rhythms but I"m going to be using > a lot of live DSP processing and live looping to f*ck those sounds > up and make them > very dark and intense. > > I'm calling the project nO thiN - g. > > We go on at midnight if anyone wants to catch it. Any beginning > beginner belly dancer will be > able to dance to the rhythms and I have a plethora of beautiful > dancers coming from all over to perform. > > See you there? Would love to, but it's a bit too far away. Please post a subjective review after the gig. I've been doing rock gigs with human belly dancers ;-) and would love to hear how this industrial thing worked out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From anonymous@chibiz.jp Thu Nov 16 12:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:43:13 UTC Received: from chibiz.jp (chibiz.jp [205.212.170.210]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9953BF08 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17564 invoked by uid 10962); 16 Nov 2006 12:36:31 -0000 Date: 16 Nov 2006 12:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20061116123631.17563.qmail@chibiz.jp> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Account ID Verification Required From: Reply-To: no_reply@eBay.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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eBay Inc."; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 19:18:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E94853BEEE; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <010c01c70971$5b2786e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010c01c70971$5b2786e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7d285e37dfe0f1f7fad9ba69c3bde224@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: No Belly Dancing in Bakersfield...... Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:18:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:18:11 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing tonight in Bakersfield.....no belly dancing like=20 rick...rick, are YOU belly dancing? Thursday, November 16, 7:30 p.m. Kris Tiner/Jeff Kaiser Duo - two trumpets + two laptops =3D SONIC MAYHEM Los Angeles poet Dottie Grossman with the amazing trombonist Michael=20 Vlatkovich from Portland, Oregon Ragamuffin - local drums + electronics duo Metro Galleries 1920 20th St. @ Eye St. Bakersfield, CA 93301 $5 Admission (includes free refreshments) Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 18:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 341AA3BEDE; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:56:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #503 for November 16, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <455E05C0.2070704@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:54:21 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061116.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #503 November 16, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Computer Experiments Volume One" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. I played the music of Synthetic Block who will be playing at The Gate on Friday and the music of AirSculpture who will be at the Gatherings on Saturday. Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov Events - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tomita Round of the Firebird (RCA) Princesses Redshift Toll Toll (Distant Sun) AirSculpture Dubbel Quark Soup (NeuHarmony) Synthetic Block Bed of Sphinxes Sonic Approach (Hypnos/Binary) Synthetic Block The Square Triangle Sonic Approach (Hypnos/Binary) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synergy Artificial Computer Experiments Volume Intelligence One (Third Contact) Synergy Artificial Computer Experiments Volume Intelligence One (Third Contact) Synergy The World After Computer Experiments Volume April One (Third Contact) Ricochet Musos Vallehermoso 2005 Demo Sessions (Ricochet Dreams) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Metropolitan Suite" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 01:40:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2999E3BEE0; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=KzR0gCC/X6bToJnhEptvhBeAaLxZFOwMOqTPMxBdc3VoogZ963r8+2bL/kEQPi9PR0l0ojP/JWnpgffl3Y+tjgn9FfGNrSWrt+plZd71Ef82d2wPwDe9hvJBeMfL/sc+uBe9paWc+MW2KcZ8CJxSH/c2gX3fR6MopF+O2JADeco= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4CEA268E-DCA9-4E4F-AE0F-7B3D8C8E00F6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: rare Indian music tracks Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:40:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:40:26 +0000 (UTC) For another list, I uploaded some of my all time favorite tracks of classical Indian music to share. So just in case there is anyone on this list who likes Indian music: These tracks are from records I used to own 30 years old and the audio files are rescued from well used cassette tapes of the records, so audio quality is not great. The Mani Ayer *Navarasa* is from an old LP and can probably be classified as rare. A largish file but wonderful and I think well worth hearing. The files: http://savefile.com/projects/1044119 (if the orange download buttons aren't visible, refresh the page) The Savefile site will delete the files after a period of non- activity so this is in a sense just sharing with a select group of friends. Hope you enjoy cheers BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 11:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 172283BED9; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jK/1QlazKjLf2Z2e8U2aJawARDZ+a6En3fZJNf+jM42GSb/ROIvFB1otkzFnkrHdRQJbf31tzvJvF1OK6BlaDCvEvF6+2RB5TlEb/lRq1CO5AbI7uwtH2mfvSsd6y5JN8nitX1xfhCCa5lZH8gf8cU6ttwF4Rd1BCpJNh/96o20= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4CEA268E-DCA9-4E4F-AE0F-7B3D8C8E00F6@gmail.com> References: <4CEA268E-DCA9-4E4F-AE0F-7B3D8C8E00F6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: rare Indian music tracks Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:48:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:48:47 +0000 (UTC) On 18 nov 2006, at 02.40, RP Collier wrote: > For another list, I uploaded some of my all time favorite tracks of > classical Indian music to share. Thank you for sharing! I really appreciate Bismillah 1 and 2. Very inspiring music to listen to! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 17:31:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBB533BEE9; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W6XsDGBo79rxWKnH0xfEPvE0J6h+34v/Cmn9A/KEvCCbT2UI+R4gOQznsKvaNRGDc/4BA6CUvumT39ord3PvQ3HNLARRtAxU/EBgjnFIscGsgy0Tajb6t5TkWvd6amus7jS1yrwNpq0HgymsVNSyPwmlOIGWNWYxABW1Av68dwk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4CEA268E-DCA9-4E4F-AE0F-7B3D8C8E00F6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05F487DE-84ED-46FF-A401-326B1F858281@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: rare Indian music tracks Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:31:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:31:38 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 18, 2006, at 3:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Bismillah 1 and 2. Very inspiring music As a reed player, I thought you might like those :-) He is a true master - amazing range, fluidity, delicacy, strength, emotion and inventiveness. Going from memory, I think #1 is Pahadi Dhun and #2 is Sindhu Bhairavi, although I might have that reversed or may be wrong altogether. There was no room on the cassette for all the info at the time. Many of his albums are available on CD and I think he played in Europe several times. cheers BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 17:49:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A123BEE6; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TkDQgT4f6SPzJOwTfsZhFFh7sUd7RnY8o9A20Cfs5aDOF/kbI/69lhYn8I0HD4hXOMbaBDiWIeeXNE88f33USIB/2xm4KR2HTpKEdbNWMQ6RWbvgYLL2M7MXfWNXlwJJ8cofS4REobhmwPgB2kIsFjEWN1Sp+kf0oQ5nH61T3jQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <05F487DE-84ED-46FF-A401-326B1F858281@gmail.com> References: <4CEA268E-DCA9-4E4F-AE0F-7B3D8C8E00F6@gmail.com> <05F487DE-84ED-46FF-A401-326B1F858281@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: rare Indian music tracks Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:48:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) > On Nov 18, 2006, at 3:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Bismillah 1 and 2. Very inspiring music > On 18 nov 2006, at 18.31, RP Collier wrote: > As a reed player, I thought you might like those :-) Might be so... but given his outstanding reed technique (mine being closer to "lousy") I do feel more inspired to play the EWI, where you can imply those multi octave span glissandi much easier ;-)) But I also like the time flow of this music, no matter which particular instrument being played. As soon as you hear one note you get instantly curious on where the music will go next. It doesn't move too slow and it doesn't move too fast either. It's like a big rock rolling downhill: its speed is just what it is, given the shape of the rock and the surrounding terrain. I think a good implementation of that dimension is what I like most in all musical styles. > He is a true master - amazing range, fluidity, delicacy, strength, > emotion and inventiveness. > > Going from memory, I think #1 is Pahadi Dhun and #2 is Sindhu > Bhairavi, although I might have that reversed or may be wrong > altogether. There was no room on the cassette for all the info at > the time. Ok. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 18:12:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5EED3BEDF; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: kyma Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:12:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c70c06$487458b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccMBkc3R71AKMPVQY2yyUKDupOmpA== Resent-Message-ID: <5NWatD.A.j2.W6JYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) anyone interested in buying my Kyma/Capybara system? I had bought mine a while ago from another looper but just don't have the time for it. It is a very deep box, maybe the deepest you can get for sound design - yes, it can be used for looping as John Paul Jones demonstrated: http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Company/PressCoverage8799 but it can do a million times more than that. Here's the details of what I'd like to sell: http://www.michaelpeters.de/temp/kyma.htm Michael www.michaelpeters.de I'm in Germany. please contact me off-list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 03:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8B93BEDD; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 11.20.06 @ the PiNG > TROUM . POLMO POLPO . AIDAN BAKER vs 2/3 of OFF THE INTERNATIONAL RADAR Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:11:33 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c70c51$9584c860$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) ThiS WEEK @ THE PiNG: Monday November 20th at 9PM we have two PiNG things. . Locally, here in TO, we are presenting with Arcolepsy, a live drone extravaganza with Troum, Polmo Polpo and Aidan Baker with 2/3's of Off The International Radar at Gallerie Le Labo's funky performance space deep within Toronto's Distillery District. Don't miss this rare local opportunity to catch Troum's sound of modern experimental drone and ethereal ambient music. . Globally we are presenting an ALMOST LiVE naw performance on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO. As with all other ALMOST LIVE programmes, this naw show will be repeated on Thursday at 12midnight EST and Saturday at 3:30PM EST, so locals can come out to see Troum and still be able to catch one of the rebroadcasts of naw's generative sound compositions on http://AMBiENTPiNGRADiO.com Details below along with info about next's week's AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAY (11.28.06) with STYROHEAD and SPACENOIZ at the DRAKE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.20.06 . The PiNG and Arcolepsy Present AN EXPLORATION OF DRONE: TROUM . POLMO POLPO . AIDAN BAKER vs 2/3 of OFF THE INTERNATIONAL RADAR @ Gallerie Le Labo, The Distillery District Cannery Bldg #58 . Room #317 W of Parliament . S of Front . link to map: http://www.thedistillerydistrict.com/siteplan_popup.html Monday November 20th . Doors at 9PM . cover $6 AN EXPLORATION OF DRONE: Germany's Troum, featuring former members of the seminal ambient/industrial band Maeror Tri and owner/operators of the 7" record label, Drone Records, bring their transcendental ambient drone music to Canada for the first time. Canadian compatriots Polmo Polpo will perform a solo set and Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja) with 2/3 of Off the International Radar will perform a collaborative guitar-drone set. http://www.troum.com http://www.dronerecords.com http://www.audisensa.com http://www.aidanbaker.org http://www.offtheinternationalradar.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.28.06 . The PiNG Presents STYROHEAD & SPACENOIZ @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin Tuesday November 28th . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) A special performance featuring PiNG favourites STYROHEAD (Joe G) & SPACENOIZ (Jim Field of Rhea's Obsession), performing together for the first time to kick out the sonic jams. Prepare to be intrigued as these two guitar, synth and sample heads improvise the night away as they take us on a journey through space. http://www.styrohead.com http://myspace.com/styrohead http://www.myspace.com/jimfieldfromrheas http://www.myspace.com/rheasobsession . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CONTiNUiNG on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO: the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES A weekly show playing exclusive, unreleased material by some of the PiNG's closest friends in the ambient, darkwave, chill and electronic communities. Tune in to hear live performances, works in progress, exclusive remixes and more! MONDAY NOVEMBER 20th at 9PM EST ALMOST LiVE iN THE STUDiO . naw http://www.ambientpingradio.com Tune in for a very special ALMOST LiVE iN THE STUDiO performance by naw! Specially created for AMBiENT PiNG RADiO, this performance is a stunning and evocative work that fully demonstrates the artistry and wonder that is naw. The following press release from Neil Wiernik of naw elaborates on this performance. 10pm on a dark rainy November evening 13 stories high This work was generated, composed and recorded in real time by naw (neil wiernik), 13 stories above Toronto overlooking the city. The composition is based on a series of real time improvisations, based on my interpretation of the cityscape I was looking out on, at the time, creating a real time soundtrack to the city. This work is part of my ongoing research into generative soundtrack composition. Having worked with various different kinds of languages to try to create generative aural landscapes over the years I have realized that the language used to create self-evolving work has as much to do with the results as the source data. What I tried to do with this work was create a series of data circumstances that would interact with the software environment I created. I wanted to explore the various algorithmic changes that the data would serve to this software environment and, in turn, the results of the different interactions between inputs, similarly to how we as people interact with various stimuli in our daily routines. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 07:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95683BEE2; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <456157AE.2070309@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:22:22 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: audio to midi converter References: <20061107170927.27337.qmail@web80710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061107170927.27337.qmail@web80710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Glenn wrote: > you're probably so much more than on top of this already, but FWIW using > a compressor/limiter/gate before the device, and tweaking around with it > until it's maximized, made a huge difference on how well a now long gone > fairlight voicetracker worked with guitar, voice, etc to midi. That was > only mono,but pretty sure this would help any pitch to midi conversion > process. I still have a Voicetracker. I don't use it anymore. But it won't be cheap, as its a colectors item... I also used VP-70 from Roland which should also be around. I should get rid of all that old gear... Probably christmas ith the best time to put it on ebay... For software: look at Pd and fiddle~ it could even get you more than one pitch. But its not at all easy to tweak it and Pd is the cousin of Max, that said, you face a learning curve, but I am sure someone on the Pd list has done it already and might tweak her patch for you... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F2F83BEE9; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=cC/nYzfdWQVIRDJ9iUhbKE/HRSg+tMZZE+qQhcdp2bHKp78/c4KNS/1WppSxvD3aMXiLEmcpraE0HmU2ewF24Vq1E/Hsj7PCRFL0zXUBoyEouSioOvR2DOWJRY6zHKqqeNZ12ALQ0yPVkAYW7KYEyt+icywjaNXVrPr7TalALjQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:12:03 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, kyberloopfest@yahoogroups.com Subject: NINJAM plugin released MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: bf56c4cc73c0d50d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I released the (almost) complete version: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ninjamplugin.html It's usable but there are a few issues. The source code is released too, so perhaps someone can help me fix them up. That said, this has completely transformed my ability to use NINJAM, being a laptop-musician kind of guy. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:29:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B65D3BF00; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: OT: audio to midi converter Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:29:07 +0100 Message-ID: <003701c70cd1$c3ffd510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccM0AQpVSgsl92iRMqvdyZAp0m59AAAa5mQ In-Reply-To: <456157AE.2070309@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:29:12 +0000 (UTC) http://www.mp3towav.org/WIDI-Recognition-System/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E7F3BEE6; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <00bd01c70cd5$bf930840$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:57:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Great work Os, Now will some clever person PLEASE hurry up and do the same for PC... Ive been in all kinds of "Virtual Cable" Hell... none of which really worked satisfactorily... all i want is a plug for AudioMulch... please Windows peeple.. mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: NINJAM plugin released > Hi, > > I released the (almost) complete version: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ninjamplugin.html > > It's usable but there are a few issues. The source code is released > too, so perhaps someone can help me fix them up. > > That said, this has completely transformed my ability to use NINJAM, > being a laptop-musician kind of guy. > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:13:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50143BEEE; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:13:57 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mobius / EDP -Settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I'm just trying to find a good Mobius-setup with my new Foot-Controller. Bought a Boss FC-50 to control Mobius. The FC-50 features five buttons that can send program-change, two additional connectors for external footswitches that can send control-change #64 and #80 and two connectors for expression-pedals (#7 and #16). Right now I'm using the following setup: Button 1: Record Button 2: Overdub Button 3: Mute Button 4: ??? unassigned > is there a "Stop"-Function? couldn't find it until now... Button 5: Reset external footswitch 1: Undo external footswitch 2: Redo external pedal 1: Feedback external pedal 2: ??? unassigned > maybe "Global Volume" or something similar, if available Do you have some suggestions, how I could get the most out of the FC50/Mobius-combination? Or maybe some examples, which functions you use with Mobius or the EDP... Thanks in advance, Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892B93BF01; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QQ0SRXBTgGXlK+DCXTNygejgFbH9FQk08ax0oBd8Zsh+/CxF9i4wJkOA+WhwiP3OHvtlwXIaIASsPfaEljyoa/DpcIcRhRCB3SSvnpcDSjwlcL2cXAJDP5TolGNa95FY1WQAV5anZkmjNvYv8Xpn9lGofFUSP3Z325UXTyHrCyA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:23:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) On 20 nov 2006, at 19.12, Os wrote: > That said, this has completely transformed my ability to use NINJAM, > being a laptop-musician kind of guy. Do you think this AU plug-in version would be the best choice if I only want to use the Mac as the interface to Ninjam but keep the the noise-making happening on a Windows box? (I don't want to install Ninjam or other software on the Windows system) Or would the standalone OS X Ninjam do well for that purpose? The other day I noticed a temple block like click track sound in Ninjam - do people use that to sync? My understanding is that it might be as fun to sync by ear while you play, eventually playing a tap tempo button with a foot for electronics. I mean, it's only one or two bar wrong so the tempo can't go that wrong? Any one tried to use the click track sound of Ninjam to create a MIDI Clock pulse? The Repeater has a "follow beat" sync option and I'm sure there must be some software that converts a simple audio pulse into MIDI Clock? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2AEA3BF01; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABqgYUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBRosGAQEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:37:10 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released In-Reply-To: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> References: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:39:21 +0000 (UTC) At 20:23 20/11/2006, you wrote: >On 20 nov 2006, at 19.12, Os wrote: > >>That said, this has completely transformed my ability to use NINJAM, >>being a laptop-musician kind of guy. > > >Do you think this AU plug-in version would be the best choice if I >only want to use the Mac as the interface to Ninjam but keep the the >noise-making happening on a Windows box? (I don't want to install >Ninjam or other software on the Windows system) Or would the >standalone OS X Ninjam do well for that purpose? > >The other day I noticed a temple block like click track sound in >Ninjam - do people use that to sync? yes well some do, most didn't think about that ;-) (or didn't care) >My understanding is that it >might be as fun to sync by ear while you play, eventually playing a >tap tempo button with a foot for electronics. I don't think that will work >I mean, it's only one >or two bar wrong so the tempo can't go that wrong? some sort of reference to the tempo is needed. (like setting edp to the correct bpm) >Any one tried to use the click track sound of Ninjam to create a MIDI >Clock pulse? no, it's not available separate from the other audio (apart from os-client on mac) >The Repeater has a "follow beat" sync option and I'm >sure there must be some software that converts a simple audio pulse >into MIDI Clock? :-) and then you need a strategy to get yourself in time with the looper andy >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827C13BF0A; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Y2K6 and related Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:45:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7d285e37dfe0f1f7fad9ba69c3bde224@pfmentum.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4y6g1B.A.lWB.pPhYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Dear Loopfest Participants. Sorry its taken me so long to send out a general thanks you, but it took me a while after the fest to get over myself and the personal calamities that seemed to come at me in bunches this year. I took a larger role this year in helping Rick organize the festival and I finally understand why it takes him a few weeks to recover from it once its through. Kudos to you Rick for all your hard work. I thought it was a great festival this year with many highlights, performance wise and a great general camaraderie all around. I'd like to thank everyone who came and played or helped out, but I won't list you individually, as I don't want to bore you or leave any one out accidentally, but this festival really is the sum of its parts and I feel very grateful to everyone involved. ATTENTION PLEASE!!! I would like to find out if anyone on this list might have grabbed the wrong ultimate support keyboard stand, as Daniel Thomas, the man I borrowed a keyboard stand from for the Fest has some one else's instead of his own. One of you out there must have grabbed his by mistake from the staging room. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD2D3BF17; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xxb5NKWMrDwf8PkjWu55ojtg5kVE6xBBYW3QlLtL/dYkLi+VSK2gWEVrsjo5YdMEz8A/hOZeYJPEf5nG4OhipaoFMMa3watgWOQG6QOUNRYDJDgAd5KmbKeffgT+8dyazwebLqvm6dh+jaTh6QgqJIhbeJwf88gZeE7nllkrbTI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:51:11 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released In-Reply-To: <00bd01c70cd5$bf930840$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bd01c70cd5$bf930840$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:51:14 +0000 (UTC) On 11/20/06, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Great work Os, Now will some clever person PLEASE hurry up and do the same > for PC... Ive been in all kinds of "Virtual Cable" Hell... none of which > really worked satisfactorily... all i want is a plug for AudioMulch... > please Windows peeple.. I downloaded Os's code and the NJ client code from Cockos site. I'll start taking a look at what it needs to make it a VST as soon as I can. -- -==-=-=- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 21:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AEE3BF0B; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45621E04.4080004@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:28:36 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0649-2, 11/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <2iwSpC.A.GdD.M4hYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:28:45 +0000 (UTC) There's a "Pause," but not a "Stop" that I know of. --Josh Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Hello, > I'm just trying to find a good Mobius-setup with my new > Foot-Controller. Bought a Boss FC-50 to control Mobius. The FC-50 > features five buttons that can send program-change, two additional > connectors for external footswitches that can send control-change #64 > and #80 and two connectors for expression-pedals (#7 and #16). > > Right now I'm using the following setup: > Button 1: Record > Button 2: Overdub > Button 3: Mute > Button 4: ??? unassigned > is there a "Stop"-Function? couldn't find > it until now... > Button 5: Reset > > external footswitch 1: Undo > external footswitch 2: Redo > > external pedal 1: Feedback > external pedal 2: ??? unassigned > maybe "Global Volume" or something > similar, if available > > Do you have some suggestions, how I could get the most out of the > FC50/Mobius-combination? Or maybe some examples, which functions you > use with Mobius or the EDP... > > Thanks in advance, > Dirk > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 22:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37ED73BEF8; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4562313E.20502@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:50:38 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> <45621E04.4080004@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45621E04.4080004@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have found "Pause" in the online documentation but not in Mobius... so I upgraded to 1.29 (was on 1.24 before) - now there is a Pause function but Mobius won't start recording any more ;-) Which version do you use? Dirk Joshua Carroll schrieb: > There's a "Pause," but not a "Stop" that I know of. > > --Josh > > > Dirk Wilbert wrote: >> Hello, >> I'm just trying to find a good Mobius-setup with my new >> Foot-Controller. Bought a Boss FC-50 to control Mobius. The FC-50 >> features five buttons that can send program-change, two additional >> connectors for external footswitches that can send control-change #64 >> and #80 and two connectors for expression-pedals (#7 and #16). >> >> Right now I'm using the following setup: >> Button 1: Record >> Button 2: Overdub >> Button 3: Mute >> Button 4: ??? unassigned > is there a "Stop"-Function? couldn't find >> it until now... >> Button 5: Reset >> >> external footswitch 1: Undo >> external footswitch 2: Redo >> >> external pedal 1: Feedback >> external pedal 2: ??? unassigned > maybe "Global Volume" or something >> similar, if available >> >> Do you have some suggestions, how I could get the most out of the >> FC50/Mobius-combination? Or maybe some examples, which functions you >> use with Mobius or the EDP... >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Dirk >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 22:58:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9153BEF6; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45623306.4020702@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:58:14 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> <45621E04.4080004@infinivert.com> <4562313E.20502@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: <4562313E.20502@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0649-2, 11/20/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <4DalZD.A.Wq.OMjYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:58:22 +0000 (UTC) I'm on 1.29 and record is working fine here. That's strange... --Josh Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Hi, I have found "Pause" in the online documentation but not in > Mobius... so I upgraded to 1.29 (was on 1.24 before) - now there is a > Pause function but Mobius won't start recording any more ;-) > Which version do you use? > > Dirk > > Joshua Carroll schrieb: >> There's a "Pause," but not a "Stop" that I know of. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> Dirk Wilbert wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I'm just trying to find a good Mobius-setup with my new >>> Foot-Controller. Bought a Boss FC-50 to control Mobius. The FC-50 >>> features five buttons that can send program-change, two additional >>> connectors for external footswitches that can send control-change >>> #64 and #80 and two connectors for expression-pedals (#7 and #16). >>> >>> Right now I'm using the following setup: >>> Button 1: Record >>> Button 2: Overdub >>> Button 3: Mute >>> Button 4: ??? unassigned > is there a "Stop"-Function? couldn't find >>> it until now... >>> Button 5: Reset >>> >>> external footswitch 1: Undo >>> external footswitch 2: Redo >>> >>> external pedal 1: Feedback >>> external pedal 2: ??? unassigned > maybe "Global Volume" or >>> something similar, if available >>> >>> Do you have some suggestions, how I could get the most out of the >>> FC50/Mobius-combination? Or maybe some examples, which functions you >>> use with Mobius or the EDP... >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dirk >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 23:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C55B3BEF5; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius / EDP -Settings Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:11:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <4562313E.20502@rhein-zeitung.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius / EDP -Settings thread-index: AccM9kytdEeS1i3mTUmJAVo4fkASSgAAUu7Q From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:11:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Dirk Wilbert > Hi, I have found "Pause" in the online documentation but not in=20 > Mobius... so I upgraded to 1.29 (was on 1.24 before) - now there is a=20 > Pause function but Mobius won't start recording any more ;-) > Which version do you use? The concept of "stop" in Mobius can have several meanings: 1) Stop playing, and erase the loop (Reset) 2) Stop playing, but continue advancing the loop (Mute) 3) Stop playing, and resume from the same location (Pause) What were you trying to do? Pause is like pause on a CD player (or tape deck for the elderly), it temporarily halts the playback of the loop, then when you unpause it resumes playing from the same location. You have to use Pause again to get out of pause, just pressing Record may not be enough. If that is what you want I can add that to the feature list. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 23:12:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298DE3BEF4; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I1X2kcGzZGIgPd/wVlEIKOJpT9TLinkMjaaRcTu7WyVG+mbk9nBPPD80xrHtndv8r4SnyveS+E58I5/g8FJU8n6I8AYxHQbSwgcChNc3oVLR0wtXDVnUJyZgikcv4/ZqTu3lkbL6LtWF94/Vu8qwsG0AARtkZI+ezvnUXUEOXak= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> References: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FDCF809-4A70-42A6-9C51-6B0D86DE5622@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:12:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On 20 nov 2006, at 21.37, a k butler wrote: > some sort of reference to the tempo is needed. I was thinking about listening to what the other musicians play. If they play in a certain tempo you I'm sure you may be able to play in the same tempo. I think it would work fine although someone will always be one or two bars late... or someone else being one or two bars early ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 23:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3EAE3BEF7; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:57:27 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson schrieb: > From: Dirk Wilbert > >> Hi, I have found "Pause" in the online documentation but not in >> Mobius... so I upgraded to 1.29 (was on 1.24 before) - now there is a >> Pause function but Mobius won't start recording any more ;-) >> Which version do you use? >> > > The concept of "stop" in Mobius can have several meanings: > > 1) Stop playing, and erase the loop (Reset) > 2) Stop playing, but continue advancing the loop (Mute) > 3) Stop playing, and resume from the same location (Pause) > > What were you trying to do? Pause is like pause on a CD player (or > tape deck for the elderly), it temporarily halts the playback of the > loop, then when you unpause it resumes playing from the same location. > You have to use Pause again to get out of pause, just pressing Record > may not be enough. If that is what you want I can add that to the > feature list. > > Jeff > > > > Hello Jeff, I was trying to do the third one > "Pause". As I used (and still use) the Digitech Jamman Looper before, I was confused because I didn't find a "Stop"-function. I think I have to get into this "other kind" of looping, which was sometimes called "delay-like" here on the list. Mobius (and the EDP) offer a lot of functions; I want to use the "right ones" in my setup (for instance, does anybody use "Play" or is this the concept of a "delay-like" looper, that it is alway playing...?) I added "Pause" to the list - thank you for your advice. Until now I didn't think of reset as a "stop mode", although I already used it that way. Mobius is now recording again; had to switch from ASIO to the MME-Driver of my soundcard. Unfortunately I can't remember which one I was using with 1.24 ... The current setup: Button 1: Record Button 2: Pause Button 3: Overdub Button 4: Mute Button 5: Reset (trying to keep some physical space between the buttons for the 'destructive' functions Record and Reset and the often used Overdub button) external footswitch 1: Undo (ten steps) external footswitch 2: Redo (one step) (have to figure out how this works in combination with overdubbing; keep loosing orientation at the moment) external pedal 1: Feedback external pedal 2: Output Level Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 23:59:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C53693BEF7; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4562417A.70107@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:59:54 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <45620C85.7000609@rhein-zeitung.de> <45621E04.4080004@infinivert.com> <4562313E.20502@rhein-zeitung.de> <45623306.4020702@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <45623306.4020702@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_fkkJB.A.fBE.8FkYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Now it works (with "Pause") - had to switch from ASIO to MME... Dirk Joshua Carroll schrieb: > I'm on 1.29 and record is working fine here. That's strange... > > --Josh > > > Dirk Wilbert wrote: >> Hi, I have found "Pause" in the online documentation but not in >> Mobius... so I upgraded to 1.29 (was on 1.24 before) - now there is a >> Pause function but Mobius won't start recording any more ;-) >> Which version do you use? >> >> Dirk >> >> Joshua Carroll schrieb: >>> There's a "Pause," but not a "Stop" that I know of. >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> Dirk Wilbert wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm just trying to find a good Mobius-setup with my new >>>> Foot-Controller. Bought a Boss FC-50 to control Mobius. The FC-50 >>>> features five buttons that can send program-change, two additional >>>> connectors for external footswitches that can send control-change >>>> #64 and #80 and two connectors for expression-pedals (#7 and #16). >>>> >>>> Right now I'm using the following setup: >>>> Button 1: Record >>>> Button 2: Overdub >>>> Button 3: Mute >>>> Button 4: ??? unassigned > is there a "Stop"-Function? couldn't >>>> find it until now... >>>> Button 5: Reset >>>> >>>> external footswitch 1: Undo >>>> external footswitch 2: Redo >>>> >>>> external pedal 1: Feedback >>>> external pedal 2: ??? unassigned > maybe "Global Volume" or >>>> something similar, if available >>>> >>>> Do you have some suggestions, how I could get the most out of the >>>> FC50/Mobius-combination? Or maybe some examples, which functions >>>> you use with Mobius or the EDP... >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Dirk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 00:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427383BEF6; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tJpVcFlfT1xO40+oveqdPDstW4idaFh0aXWWmDpz49Bl3Q8RbAcDSWmoLeE6ri6jgJ5+i8lMAoVsEY+vIvqdbiHVmG+mmFxf7MbnhThpdm9dnp5NTlfPJbL2xJcYTNbMBXRCBXG1hgq8nVkuCQgZp72w0czSwpDnz1J6ygc+ejU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:25:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:25:42 +0000 (UTC) On 21 nov 2006, at 00.57, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Mobius (and the EDP) offer a lot of functions; I want to use the > "right ones" in my setup (for instance, does anybody use "Play" or > is this the concept of a "delay-like" looper, that it is alway > playing...?) As you described the function you call "Play" in your other post I recognize it as a function I use - but usually call "Retrigger". That is if I have understood you correctly, of course. However, it might as well be called "Play" and on some loopers, for example the Electrixpro Repeater, the Play button is in fact re-triggering the loop (if already playing - and starting it if being in stop mode). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 00:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE7C3BEE6; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:42:19 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > On 21 nov 2006, at 00.57, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > >> Mobius (and the EDP) offer a lot of functions; I want to use the >> "right ones" in my setup (for instance, does anybody use "Play" or is >> this the concept of a "delay-like" looper, that it is alway playing...?) > > > As you described the function you call "Play" in your other post I > recognize it as a function I use - but usually call "Retrigger". That > is if I have understood you correctly, of course. However, it might as > well be called "Play" and on some loopers, for example the Electrixpro > Repeater, the Play button is in fact re-triggering the loop (if > already playing - and starting it if being in stop mode). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > Hello Per, I'm referring to the "Play" function in Mobius. I think it would normally be used after having pressed Mute or Pause before - but there seems to be no difference to pressing Mute or Pause again. So I think it can be omitted and I don't have to spend a dedicated button on my controller for this function. Pressing "Play" doesn't retrigger the loop (if already playing), maybe there is an option for this I haven't found yet. Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 00:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F333BEFC; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Rbc1IMsKeNO0/FiJYdF99BTsdZQXGXeEOZeaw9kzh24Cw3KBPXjQf4k8NisyqAZs3UFogT6Pwo51Zb/2zA0m67MDjtDdBn4YgAPPnTdgqaB9VpKj3XAO0rHODvcEjhX8atGfn2R6DjwMR9gZa8BEx1vHZxaQMlSVmlUc9f2Sab8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:53:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4ktMnC.A.A9G.i4kYFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:53:54 +0000 (UTC) On 21 nov 2006, at 01.42, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > Hello Per, > I'm referring to the "Play" function in Mobius. Yes of course. I'm not very familiar with what exactly it does. I only use a chosen set of commands in Mobius and Play is not among them. > I think it would normally be used after having pressed Mute or > Pause before - but there seems to be no difference to pressing Mute > or Pause again. So I think it can be omitted and I don't have to > spend a dedicated button on my controller for this function. Good point! > Pressing "Play" doesn't retrigger the loop (if already playing), > maybe there is an option for this I haven't found yet. What I remember from reading the Mobius manual long ago is that Play stops any process right away and kicks Mobius back into just playing back whatever is looping. I memorized that because I thought it could be useful but truth is I haven't got back on it yet after more than a year ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 02:31:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3733D3BEF4; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A3EFF2E-ACD4-4B6B-A545-C1F7510E7B98@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:31:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:31:27 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 20, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > What I remember from reading the Mobius manual long ago is that Play > stops any process right away and kicks Mobius back into just playing > back whatever is looping. Yes. I had a few requests for a function that just canceled whatever mode you were in (Overdub, Insert, Multiply, etc). without needing to remember to press the switch that got you into that mode. This can be handy for LoopCopy since it's easy to forget what mode you will end up in (LoopCopy=Sound, we're in Multiply, LoopCopy=Time we're in Insert, LoopCopyMode=? we're in anything). If you don't have many foot switches, this is a good one to leave off. Dirk, I'm curious, did you look at the FCB-1010 when you were shopping for a foot controller? It is *much* better than the FC-50 for controlling a looper with lots of functions. It is larger, but after you've added the 4 external pedals to the FC-50 they're about the same size. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 08:43:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7999D3BED5; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACJLYkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACBSIsEAQEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061121084138.01c6eac8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:46:17 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released In-Reply-To: <9FDCF809-4A70-42A6-9C51-6B0D86DE5622@gmail.com> References: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> <9FDCF809-4A70-42A6-9C51-6B0D86DE5622@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:43:52 +0000 (UTC) At 23:12 20/11/2006, you wrote: >>some sort of reference to the tempo is needed. > >I was thinking about listening to what the other musicians play. If >they play in a certain tempo you I'm sure you may be able to play in >the same tempo. I think it would work fine although someone will >always be one or two bars late... or someone else being one or two >bars early ;-) > >Per So you just let them do all the work :-) ..with Ninjam-metronome, or whatever. ...and if they get it wrong they hear you out of time, but it sounds ok to you andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 11:26:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CFB3BEE1; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: yyoduvIVM1n.JuUg7L1AEnJyIGsl4Pyy_6dfpdG7.DkZSnxTsPSgvYxasaPila51fX2bM0.tqUQVKNKX2m.uEQdH2idC3o1S7kJvjROKDA7qtM1LS1BS8w-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <454095BA.5000208@addcom.de> References: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <454095BA.5000208@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: more KaiserLooper... Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:26:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:26:59 +0000 (UTC) howdy all, I added the new version of my KaiserLooper to my website....I added a=20 tape-style delay with transposition on the feedback, which can be=20 enjoyable. It also has the midi mapped for an Oxygen 8. If anyone is=20 interested I can get the controller info to them...Mac only.... Let me know if it works. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 11:27:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6609B3BEFE; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sSR/NXOC3NH5nqYL6k5yA/qPc5QMmNhVCIMKBxX1q71kJqfjZBuY4rin4WssulEZpetENSbtjmO3HNKq3jBD3ac12uOATrpuWl5QVNJog9rLMxmnZkDUA2znzyhPsreB6nd0AUKRy//TEmZWRiJBOJpKF5qzkYQmQgYcp48SUO8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061121084138.01c6eac8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> <9FDCF809-4A70-42A6-9C51-6B0D86DE5622@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061121084138.01c6eac8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <51EF616A-8044-486A-A4B7-76A209259617@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:26:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:27:03 +0000 (UTC) > At 23:12 20/11/2006, you wrote: >>> some sort of reference to the tempo is needed. >> >> I was thinking about listening to what the other musicians play. If >> they play in a certain tempo you I'm sure you may be able to play in >> the same tempo. I think it would work fine although someone will >> always be one or two bars late... or someone else being one or two >> bars early ;-) >> >> Per > On 21 nov 2006, at 09.46, a k butler wrote: > So you just let them do all the work :-) > ..with Ninjam-metronome, or whatever. > > ...and if they get it wrong they hear you out of time, but it > sounds ok to you Well, those questions have been circulating in my mind since the Y2K6 Ninjam. After the festival I listened back to recordings and it seemed as every recording sounded uniquely different - and also different from what I heard while playing :-)) I don't see this as total flaw, because you may stick to a musical style where such discrepancy doesn't matter much or even plays a contextual role? I think we're eventually misunderstanding each other somewhere in this discussion? It shouldn't be associated with "doing a lot of work" to play musically, listening to each other to stick with the same tempo and key etc. Normally that's the most easy task in music because that's what sounds best to every one and simply the direction any group improvisation naturally gravitates to. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 12:16:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1EF93BEF1; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ECKTj3O+wqEGvr33unAXWuo0nQHIxJLIhAMnqLrfJnZRS5hfn5kZTn3DzeIMsShIVQ/so8jNeyq9/7/aoV1h5debwofZYlkMgZQsiGrYr57TjSMoj9pZoPAfma1afy747EVwVOgPIKi1VoB6jvAEGFFu4M1bfPg+Z3wT3mffIF0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:16:53 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: a64808c3a9ced6f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen > > Do you think this AU plug-in version would be the best choice if I > only want to use the Mac as the interface to Ninjam but keep the the > noise-making happening on a Windows box? (I don't want to install > Ninjam or other software on the Windows system) Or would the > standalone OS X Ninjam do well for that purpose? It depends whether you need the audio routing possibilities of the plugin version. In my experience the standalone client only does stereo in/out reliably. Though of course that could be improved. > Any one tried to use the click track sound of Ninjam to create a MIDI > Clock pulse? The Repeater has a "follow beat" sync option and I'm > sure there must be some software that converts a simple audio pulse > into MIDI Clock? It would be really easy to add some code to the client to output a MIDI clock pulse, locked to the internal metronome (much as Augustus Loop does). Let me know if you're keen for this feature, as I otherwise don't plan to work on this plugin much for a while - other, money-making, plugins to write! :) cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 13:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 651903BEF1; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uBbw9U3UHHvvfq+R9/QVJ0FwQH4+5DYI/fhSF6qzVMGkUT/fJsoOB79lTWm3AZ6LenBQnJgsbhDKsmn1nLIZ5F21XOdWygQd21ZDtbnJ8AkPsA4+AoMwSCaerl/+8ynHhatom209/k8j2TqUC/GVfnqss6S91hxRHlEgxUx6bx4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BC37F6D-A34C-44AB-A3C4-231DE248BE65@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:05:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:05:23 +0000 (UTC) >> Any one tried to use the click track sound of Ninjam to create a MIDI >> Clock pulse? The Repeater has a "follow beat" sync option and I'm >> sure there must be some software that converts a simple audio pulse >> into MIDI Clock? On 21 nov 2006, at 13.16, Os wrote: > It would be really easy to add some code to the client to output a > MIDI clock pulse, locked to the internal metronome (much as Augustus > Loop does). Let me know if you're keen for this feature, as I > otherwise don't plan to work on this plugin much for a while - other, > money-making, plugins to write! :) Ok, if that should happen (me becoming keen on such a feature) I'l let you know. Not probable though, because I have not yet tried out Ninjam enough and I'm generally much more interested in real-life ensemble playing. Good luck with the new money-making plug-ins and hope you get a chance to fix the "Re-Pitch Noise Attack" bug in Augustus Loop ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 13:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C5A3BF06; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C70D6F.33091284" Subject: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:15:59 -0000 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633B5EF20@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM Thread-Index: AccNby9f3cQKWc7xROWP3HRyBmq0yQ== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2006 13:16:05.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[333C0190:01C70D6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:16:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70D6F.33091284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010. 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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70D6F.33091284-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 16:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B283BF06; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Au7prYHuhWPx3VZq08P62Evk4bEE1CNTX/cV20wd4hjyVYM0O725es0lRn4Bc+q3k47EwKki7O2R2H9u79+4Eb1j/6ZIkee0K2uXM4nIUNLWU1SzWT6tefdNm9elbexRDwOEtoWJj5Y9vfjOXOvCBtRde40J3q2qSoUdjSpiv1A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:41:25 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633B5EF20@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40174_3727601.1164127285190" References: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633B5EF20@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40174_3727601.1164127285190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Calibrating the expression pedals: Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. This requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals will work correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer: 1. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. 2. Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off. 3. Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.] 4. Press DOWN once. 5. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. 6. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP. 7. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. 8. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP. 9. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com wrote: > > Hi all > I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010. > I correctly programming the MIN value = 0 but when the pedal is up > completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value about = 30 > > How can i do to calibrate the pedal? > > > > > Montagna M Mr (Milco) > > http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ > > ------=_Part_40174_3727601.1164127285190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    Calibrating the expression pedals:

    Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. This requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals will work correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer:
        1.    Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence.
        2.    Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off.
        3.    Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.]
        4.    Press DOWN once.
        5.    Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP.
        6.    Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.
        7.    Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP.
        8.    Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.
        9.    Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)


    On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com <milco.montagna@bt.com > wrote:
    Hi all
    I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010.
    I correctly programming the MIN value = 0 but when the pedal is up completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value about = 30
     
    How can i do to calibrate the pedal?
     
     
     
     
    Montagna M Mr (Milco)  
     
     

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 17:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1AB3BF0B; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lCX1NJhlPMmSOAStFZRMZHkbXnRwilOyug3DUNTpir0kGpMw/IFi4YuYPcwWWZMCluPSzAGqBVBlaV1ARtqME5fRi4y8VNqznXzbcWTOuWEa/ZR6NqFjoUSEQbE15lsPLwWcJR3Uo05LlklVpaHAv25H/zI+hD2opmy96aTI2q0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> References: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius Loop quantize? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) On 21 nov 2006, at 18.43, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: > Hello, > > i want to be able to perform as follows > > loop something, calculate its tempo, and then every other thing i > overdub is > quantized on this particular tempo. > > is it the function rc-20xl has or am i wrong? As far as I understand the RC-20xl you are wrong, because it only synchronizes according to tap tempo. > and most importantly, can i do this in mobius, without syncing to > host tempo but > making all my tracks sync to the first one i just recorded? The answer depends on what you mean by your question, which I'm afraid is a bit unclear. So I will "safe up" by giving two answers: - If you intend to have the audio you are overdubbing quantized the answer is "no". - If you mean the actions you perform the answer is "yes". And it working even smoother without syncing to host tempo. Mobius can sync the actions performed on all tracks to the tempo calculated according to the first loop created on the first track. Quantizing of actions work like this: If you for example has set the quantize value to one cycle every action you take (like hitting "reverse" or "overdub" etc) is performed when the music reaches the next loop cycle. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 17:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1883BEF1; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: ira.users.uth.gr: apache set sender to pmelidis@uth.gr using -f Message-ID: <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:41:54 +0200 From: Panagiotis Melidis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Loop quantize? References: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Originating-IP: 10.64.16.7 X-AntiVirus-uvscan: 0 (ok) ok X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:40:03 +0000 (UTC) First of all thanks for the quick answer Per and, by the way, i have listened to your myspace songs, great sounds there...quite an inspiration, and in technical aspects sure. anyway... Quoting Per Boysen : > As far as I understand the RC-20xl you are wrong, because it only > synchronizes according to tap tempo. > > yeah, i checked the manual and i thought it did something like that which is exactly the following: i play a piano riff, without a predefined tempo. then mobius detects the tempo(or it doesnt, it doesnt matter, anyway...) and then, every other loop i record is in sync with the first one. i use audiomulch and i dont want for every song i play to have a beat play and follow its tempo but play a melody and then RecordEnd quantizes on the end of the first loop. i just checked more thoroughly the mobius manual. is this what im talkin about? http://zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Track%20Synchronization im trying to learn mobius in detail, im having a show on 14th of december and im in a state of panic. i know what to do in the context of audiomulch but i have serious problems with mobius and programming the fcb1010. anyway, i hope it all works out fine in the end, you guys here are a big helpin' hand and quite an influence. thanks for your time > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > -- panagiotis melidis http://myspace.com/larrygus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 17:57:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F0023BF0A; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Vw8BDzhG+rV/cA8LEUd8xGDHi1uurpYrki+2L56ScTfVIRJ7X6sU/1i0WzMoHPTeihw9N00TiUE9SIhCTGM27W9L4NWXvGcylQ/vCvgWbLSgn44k2vkeVLWh94Fjj7x0w3hVJLiqlsv2hHQt76vg+Dt94gbHzmSVQD1TEFcYPCc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> References: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius Loop quantize? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:57:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:57:46 +0000 (UTC) On 21 nov 2006, at 19.41, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: > i use audiomulch and i dont want for every song i play to have a > beat play and > follow its tempo but play a melody and then RecordEnd quantizes on > the end of > the first loop. I don't know if Audiomulch can sync to MIDI Clock, but if that is possible you can set up Audiomuch to pick up the tempo set by Mobius from your first created loop. That's the way I prefer to loop too :-)) > i just checked more thoroughly the mobius manual. > is this what im talkin about? > > http://zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Track%20Synchronization Yes, that's the Mobius manual. If you are not already familiar with the Loop4 manual of the Echoplex you may check it out as well. Mobius kind of builds on the concept established with Loop4. There is a link at the Mobius site. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 18:03:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3432B3BF1B; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: ira.users.uth.gr: apache set sender to pmelidis@uth.gr using -f Message-ID: <20061121210538.5t6lzpnmpblwk0o8@webmail.uth.gr> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:05:38 +0200 From: Panagiotis Melidis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius Loop quantize? References: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Originating-IP: 10.64.16.7 X-AntiVirus-uvscan: 0 (ok) ok X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Per Boysen : >> >> http://zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Track%20Synchronization > > Yes, that's the Mobius manual. If you are not already familiar with > the Loop4 manual of the Echoplex you may check it out as well. Mobius > kind of builds on the concept established with Loop4. There is a > link at the Mobius site. yes, :-) i meant, is this the exact part of the manual which refers to the synchro solutions or am i wrong? it says something about all tracks following the master track etc bike -- panagiotis melidis myspace.com/larrygus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 18:06:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB12A3BF29; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45634005.2060407@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:57 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> <7A3EFF2E-ACD4-4B6B-A545-C1F7510E7B98@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <7A3EFF2E-ACD4-4B6B-A545-C1F7510E7B98@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson schrieb: > On Nov 20, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > What I remember from reading the Mobius manual long ago is that Play > > stops any process right away and kicks Mobius back into just playing > > back whatever is looping. > > Yes. I had a few requests for a function that just canceled whatever > mode you were in (Overdub, Insert, Multiply, etc). without needing > to remember to press the switch that got you into that mode. This > can be handy for LoopCopy since it's easy to forget what mode you > will end up in (LoopCopy=Sound, we're in Multiply, LoopCopy=Time > we're in Insert, LoopCopyMode=? we're in anything). > > If you don't have many foot switches, this is a good one to leave off. > > Dirk, I'm curious, did you look at the FCB-1010 when you were shopping > for a foot controller? It is *much* better than the FC-50 for > controlling a looper with lots of functions. It is larger, but > after you've added the 4 external pedals to the FC-50 they're about > the same size. > > Jeff > > > Hello Jeff, yes, I looked at the FCB-1010 - and decided to buy the FC-50 for two reasons: 1) There is no space left on the floor under my keystand. I've just counted pieces of gear (without the new controller for Mobius) on the floor - from various Switches over Wah/Volume to a Midi-Basspedal, so I needed something small and with the ability to connect the expression pedals in a flexible way - so that they can stand where they just fit in... 2) I wanted something I don't have to program as I often found myself doing Midi-Troubleshooting rather than playing my instruments. The FC-50 is indeed of a very "static" character. Somehow I have the feeling my setup is a bit too flexible for me to handle ;-))) I thought that Mobius would do the flexible part here - and I still think it does, just reading things about Mobius scripts on the list. For instance: is Record/Play/Overdub with only one button possible? Or would I need a programmable foot controller like the FCB1010 for this? If this is the case I went in the wrong direction... Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 18:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6C33BF35; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W6iqeGtOYv4JR7yw8pdxMyjyEFdsK5yaG+gvOYqdslhmoflxGMASnntU1QGqLSHZtlyyBmOPs9Hw7o2xaSKktMq0fRr5qdUApqUJbe6WU8i4UzVzlqwpJclIX9X1xjcqcoFAkYaWMHgEgoVX917eJHxIEaoVy3M8k7wI+wb5vig= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061121210538.5t6lzpnmpblwk0o8@webmail.uth.gr> References: <20061121194315.k9yijtlzdy0c8k0w@webmail.uth.gr> <11F2EAD6-9B02-4ED2-B5E4-02EDF1C9A93E@gmail.com> <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> <20061121210538.5t6lzpnmpblwk0o8@webmail.uth.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80EA8261-A03F-4D4D-A208-C29C13978DA6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius Loop quantize? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:26:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1USbJD.A.oZE.xT0YFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:57 +0000 (UTC) > Quoting Per Boysen : > >>> http://zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Track%20Synchronization >> >> Yes, that's the Mobius manual. If you are not already familiar >> with the Loop4 manual of the Echoplex you may check it out as >> well. Mobius kind of builds on the concept established with >> Loop4. There is a link at the Mobius site. > On 21 nov 2006, at 20.05, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: > yes, :-) > > i meant, is this the exact part of the manual which refers to the > synchro > solutions or am i wrong? Yes, this general area of the manual deals with different aspects of synchronization. The headlines says what each part is about in detail. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:36:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325A43BF1A; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XE9dWcVU7EdZTxjn0naX4b7z70cJHmSbVbyH12fPiEpJk3l4buqv1Mhb1RGCI9XnVjhwy7nD3EqJUWqq0ae0Fk903EdNJKUCrf4HEdEtxeNfOKMXsDBY1GZeWAeOBsmWTzWA5wlP0ZUHCOD/g+9Xh662UrWznzSCv8KNT59EKPA= Message-ID: <64b81a780611211136q7f0a0244if29ea83851ff13aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:36:53 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23816_1302389.1164137813916" References: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633B5EF20@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:36:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23816_1302389.1164137813916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This procedure may need to be repeated periodically as the FCB ages so it's handy to keep around. Also, even after calibration it's not uncommon for pedals to not quite reach "0" in normal operation. If you find this to be the case, stick a pencil under the heel side of the pedal while calibrating. This will give you a buffer at the bottom of the pedal's travel and insure that the minimum value is reached easily. Todd On 11/21/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > Calibrating the expression pedals: > > Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. This > requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals will work > correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer: > 1. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit > (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display > blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each > segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. > 2. Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches > one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off. > 3. Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a > couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at > least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between > the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the > midi ports work correctly.] > 4. Press DOWN once. > 5. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel > down). Once adjusted press UP. > 6. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value (toe > down). Once adjusted press UP. > 7. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value (heel > down). Once adjusted press UP. > 8. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value (toe > down). Once adjusted press UP. > 9. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, > and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) > > > On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com wrote: > > > > Hi all > > I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010. > > I correctly programming the MIN value = 0 but when the pedal is up > > completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value about = 30 > > > > How can i do to calibrate the pedal? > > > > > > > > > > Montagna M Mr (Milco) > > > > http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ > > > > > > ------=_Part_23816_1302389.1164137813916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This procedure may need to be repeated periodically as the FCB ages so it's handy to keep around.  Also, even after calibration it's not uncommon for pedals to not quite reach "0" in normal operation.  If you find this to be the case, stick a pencil under the heel side of the pedal while calibrating.  This will give you a buffer at the bottom of the pedal's travel and insure that the minimum value is reached easily.

    Todd

    On 11/21/06, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:


    Calibrating the expression pedals:

    Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. This requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals will work correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer:
        1.    Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence.
        2.    Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off.
        3.    Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.]
        4.    Press DOWN once.
        5.    Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP.
        6.    Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.
        7.    Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP.
        8.    Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.
        9.    Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)



    On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com <milco.montagna@bt.com > wrote:
    Hi all
    I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010.
    I correctly programming the MIN value = 0 but when the pedal is up completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value about = 30
     
    How can i do to calibrate the pedal?
     
     
     
     
    Montagna M Mr (Milco)  
     
     


    ------=_Part_23816_1302389.1164137813916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DDC53BF12; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius / EDP -Settings Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CF1B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <45634005.2060407@rhein-zeitung.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius / EDP -Settings thread-index: AccNl7TIgqw85E1YQlWdhsc9tJVeHwACifGA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Dirk Wilbert > 2) I wanted something I don't have to program as I often found myself=20 > doing Midi-Troubleshooting rather than playing my instruments. The FC-50=20 > is indeed of a very "static" character. Somehow I have the feeling my=20 > setup is a bit too flexible for me to handle ;-))) You don't have to program the FCB, Mobius can be trained to respond to whatever the switches are sending. Usually however you do program it to send notes rather than program changes. The big advantage of using notes is that you can use "long presses" where the switch changes behavior as you hold it down. One example is a long-press of Record which will perform a Reset. You can also write scripts that do different things each second a switch is down. This can reduce the number of switches you need since one switch can do several things. The other advantage of using notes is that you can use the "sustain" functions where the function starts when the switch goes down and stops when the switch goes up. You can't do this with program changes. > For instance: is Record/Play/Overdub with only one button possible?=20 Yes, a few scripts have been written to do this. I encourage you to join the Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius, there is a file section there with some example scripts. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:39:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2CF3BF39; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKjkYkXUSnIvnmdsb2JhbACMTgEBAgcOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061121191608.01adea08@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:33:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: NINJAM plugin released In-Reply-To: <51EF616A-8044-486A-A4B7-76A209259617@gmail.com> References: <0FA98C50-0CEF-4EBE-B4EB-F01051CB44F2@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061120203034.01b2e270@tiscali.co.uk> <9FDCF809-4A70-42A6-9C51-6B0D86DE5622@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061121084138.01c6eac8@tiscali.co.uk> <51EF616A-8044-486A-A4B7-76A209259617@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:39:16 +0000 (UTC) At 11:26 21/11/2006, you wrote: >>At 23:12 20/11/2006, you wrote: >>>>some sort of reference to the tempo is needed. >>> >>>I was thinking about listening to what the other musicians play. If >>>they play in a certain tempo you I'm sure you may be able to play in >>>the same tempo. I think it would work fine although someone will >>>always be one or two bars late... or someone else being one or two >>>bars early ;-) >>> >>>Per >On 21 nov 2006, at 09.46, a k butler wrote: >>So you just let them do all the work :-) >>..with Ninjam-metronome, or whatever. >> >>...and if they get it wrong they hear you out of time, but it >>sounds ok to you > > > >Well, those questions have been circulating in my mind since the Y2K6 >Ninjam. After the festival I listened back to recordings and it >seemed as every recording sounded uniquely different - and also >different from what I heard while playing :-)) I don't see this as >total flaw, because you may stick to a musical style where such >discrepancy doesn't matter much or even plays a contextual role? > >I think we're eventually misunderstanding each other somewhere in >this discussion? It shouldn't be associated with "doing a lot of >work" to play musically, listening to each other to stick with the >same tempo and key etc. Normally that's the most easy task in music >because that's what sounds best to every one and simply the direction >any group improvisation naturally gravitates to. Hi Per Sure, but with the Ninjam delay things aren't normal. Either you conform to the delay, or you don't sync with the other guy. In a way it's like using a fixed delay, and learning to sync your playing with it. With a whole bar delay it takes a bit of practice to get things going. There are a number of strategies to use:- 1) get to know that delay length very well 2) feed in non-rhythm sounds till you start to feel a beat in there 3)....and so on ..but the situation is different with Ninjam (unless Stefan is involved) because you're responding not to your own playing directly, but to someone else's interpretation of your playing. It would be really interesting to just play, and see if it was possible to sync up. I'm thinking it would be quite hard to achieve sync, and then easy to lose it. We should try it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:56:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5109F3BF37; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius Loop quantize? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CF22@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20061121204154.3ytvrz6vf3w088o0@webmail.uth.gr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius Loop quantize? thread-index: AccNlBPkQb32lQBISWqWK6FXMyGeGgAEQVMg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:56:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Panagiotis Melidis > i play a piano riff, without a predefined tempo. > then mobius detects the tempo(or it doesnt, it doesnt matter, anyway...) > and then, every other loop i record is in sync with the first one. It sounds like you want simple track synchronization. Most of what is in the Synchronization chapter in the manual is about MIDI sync or VST Host sync which you don't need, look at section 16.9 "Track Synchronization". Start by defining a preset with the Sync Mode parameter set to Out and the Track Sync Mode parameter set to Loop. Record the first track,=20 this becomes the "master" track. Move to another track and press Record. The recording will automatically start when the master track reaches its start point. Play something, then press Record again. The recording will automatically end when the master track reaches the end point. > i use audiomulch and i dont want for every song i play to have a beat=20 > play and follow its tempo but play a melody and then RecordEnd quantizes > on the end of the first loop. Using track sync as I described, you don't have to do anything special in AudioMulch. The sync is done inside Mobius, AudioMulch doesn't know about it. =20 If you have further questions, feel free to join the Mobius Yahoo group, groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. I don't mind answering questions=20 over here, but most of the Mobius discussion happens on the Yahoo group. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 00:37:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9EF3BEF3; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45639BAD.2080307@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:37:01 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CF1B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CF1B@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Mi2N.A.xjF.2u5YFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC) >> For instance: is Record/Play/Overdub with only one button possible? >> > > Yes, a few scripts have been written to do this. I encourage you > to join the Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius, there > is a file section there with some example scripts. > > Jeff > > > > Thank you, Jeff - I joined the group and managed to alter a "DL4-script" to a "JamMan"-script. The Record-Button now has the desired function "Record/Play/Overdub (... /Play/Overdub/Play ... and so on) just like the Digitech JamMan Looper. This is what I got used to, for now that's really fine for me. So I don't need the dedicated Overdub switch anymore. The current setup: Button 1: Record/Play/Overdub Button 2: Pause Button 3: Mute Button 4: Next Loop Button 5: Reset external footswitch 1: Undo external footswitch 2: Redo external pedal 1: Feedback external pedal 2: Output Level I'm having a lot of fun with this Mobius setup! Think I will keep the FC-50 (until I really need long presses). As I'm just starting with Mobius I'm curious what I will learn about it in the future - especially about scripting. Is there a special documentation about scripting available on zonemobius; haven't found it. Thank you again! Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 00:54:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D6963BF0E; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45639FBE.1010608@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:54:22 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius / EDP -Settings References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C17CEC2@keel.sailpoint.com> <456240E7.6080208@rhein-zeitung.de> <4A136A49-67C2-478A-8A6E-2CBDF7B06C97@gmail.com> <45624B6B.7060905@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > On 21 nov 2006, at 01.42, Dirk Wilbert wrote: > >> Hello Per, >> I'm referring to the "Play" function in Mobius. > > Yes of course. I'm not very familiar with what exactly it does. I only > use a chosen set of commands in Mobius and Play is not among them. > >> I think it would normally be used after having pressed Mute or Pause >> before - but there seems to be no difference to pressing Mute or >> Pause again. So I think it can be omitted and I don't have to spend a >> dedicated button on my controller for this function. > > Good point! > >> Pressing "Play" doesn't retrigger the loop (if already playing), >> maybe there is an option for this I haven't found yet. > > What I remember from reading the Mobius manual long ago is that Play > stops any process right away and kicks Mobius back into just playing > back whatever is looping. I memorized that because I thought it could > be useful but truth is I haven't got back on it yet after more than a > year ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > Thank you, Per. For now I'm happy with the current setup. Will try it that way for a couple of days and then think about improvements. Maybe it's the final version?! I did some "research" and found the "Tech21 Midi Moose"-thread - was quite impressed by the complexity of your controller assignments for Mobius and the way you handle it (inspired me to try my PocketDial-Controller with Mobius). Besides technology, there were some really interesting thoughts about the approach to making music in this thread. Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 07:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB023BEE6; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:34:20 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: very OT: Ted, are you there? Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccOCKI1ydiUlXvFT4SMWiXLgdUOnA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to all for taking up this bandwidth, but: I have been trying several times in the past days to reach Ted Killian via his usual email address, but it bounced back. So...if anyone knows about Ted's email-technical whereabouts, would you please drop me a line? And Ted, if you read this - I was inquiring about a possible use of your logo of the y2k6loopfest for my CD cover art. Could you get in contact via private mail? And btw (to Ted an everyone). Ted's CD rocks! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 09:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3493BEDD; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45641962.6030205@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:33:22 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxliste , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, frenchloops@free.fr Subject: Paris Gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:34:05 +0000 (UTC) I will play tomorrow at the cinémathèque française with Yan Gueguen to an old silent movie "Das Wachsfigurenkabinett" of Paul Leni. http://www.cinematheque.fr/ 51, rue de Bercy 75012 Paris 23rd Nov 2006 at 20:30 Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 09:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30FBB3BEF1; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: DCBJehoVM1kL.ztkE1Pwmbhyd0GP6mJ12ssKqo5StCAd6l0l2m5yiv9zHsBRLSf8_QpXnLRFewNs7WZRt34yqWj3eHm0mZhYQ7SxCj8ADwWDulMR2G89bg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45641962.6030205@addcom.de> References: <45641962.6030205@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Paris Gig spam Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:39:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Damn, and here I am stuck in Ventucky, CA...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 22, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I will play tomorrow at the cin=E9math=E8que fran=E7aise with Yan = Gueguen to=20 > an old silent movie "Das Wachsfigurenkabinett" of Paul Leni. > > http://www.cinematheque.fr/ > > 51, rue de Bercy > 75012 Paris > 23rd Nov 2006 at 20:30 > > Stefan > > --=20 > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 15:52:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79D03BEE1; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4564723B.3070000@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:52:27 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paris Gig spam References: <45641962.6030205@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Damn, and here I am stuck in Ventucky, CA...... I'll record it, if I don't forget to hit the magic button... (happens too often, but I consider music any way a volatile artform) And we should still get together for our redo of the missed out y2k6 Ninjam session... You do not seem to be in Boise at the moment, Ventucky sounds at least warmer than Paris... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 16:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3EEB3BEF5; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D83F9DE-9641-4C8E-9568-B9581E07517B@deepsoda.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bobby Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:51:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ClearBearing-MailScanner-Information: Please contact ClearBearing (http://www.clearbearing.com) for more information on our anti-spam/anti-virus efforts. X-ClearBearing-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ClearBearing-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.8, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80) X-MailScanner-From: bobby@deepsoda.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone had any luck running the 2880 slaved to another device? I've tried a few configurations but nothing's working. My band plays live with a Midi network on stage. The midi chain is as follows: Korg ER-1 Drum machine (Drummer sets song tempo and listens to click) ----> Echoplex (git loops) ----> Korg MS2000B (arpeggiator or tempo delay with bass fed through audio in of keys.) ----> Electro Harmonix 2880 If you record in the first bank it stretches the audio all over the place. I tried leaving that bank 1 empty and starting the loop in bank 2 . That worked once but it eventually lost sync with the other devices and I couldn't make it happen again. I'm about to sell it and get an Echoplex if nobody has any ideas. I'm no "Midiot". I just think this little machine is trying to be smarter than it needs to be. Rob www.myspace.com/deepsoda www.deepsoda.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 17:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC0C3BEDF; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YfkCBUAnJRgHIdOfV4cv+YOjf8IvkEMK7uLhSKFEE7VA04dXPGsOluJEVrnzY1kfifEcd9h2UAZtFXqDsr6mUxNOGwkiv2XN0GvcgvFT3JGjg8Gi5JaJ4aWtL75mG+Hdt5+h32lOfsw8s+XmgzwedX7U7exIbIH1A7420M3EHLc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5D83F9DE-9641-4C8E-9568-B9581E07517B@deepsoda.com> References: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> <5D83F9DE-9641-4C8E-9568-B9581E07517B@deepsoda.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:52:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4JZw0B.A.XCD.r5IZFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:52:44 +0000 (UTC) On 22 nov 2006, at 16.51, Bobby wrote: > Has anyone had any luck running the 2880 slaved to another device? > I've tried a few configurations but nothing's working. > If you record in the first bank it stretches the audio all over the > place. > Yes. When I was playing with bass loopist Costas Andreou he brought a 2880 for looping. I provided a MIDI clock sync signal sent out from my laptop running Mobius and the 2880 seemed to follow tempo well. The loopers were always empty when we started to play and then we filled them up with noise, so I can't tell if the 2880 was "stretching the audio all over the place" when it kicked in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 18:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C9393BEF3; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 423005783 Message-ID: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: simple pleasures Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:07:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C70E61.1F660EA4" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:07:55 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70E61.1F660EA4 Content-Type: text/plain I was in the pub until pretty late last thursday night, & had quite a few beers. I got an sms message just after midnight: "here & now have pulled out & damo wants us to play instead". this was for a gig in sheffield (200 miles away) the following night. long story short- our guitarist couldn't make it, & we couldn't retrieve any of our equipment from the rehearsal studio (60-odd miles from the gig) because it was closed until 7pm. so all I had with me was my fretless rickenbacker & a DL4. I guess my point is.... sometimes less is more. were any of you there? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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    I was in the pub until pretty late last thursday night, & had quite a few beers. I got an sms message just after midnight: "here & now have pulled out & damo wants us to play instead". this was for a gig in sheffield (200 miles away) the following night.
    long story short- our guitarist couldn't make it, & we couldn't retrieve any of our equipment from the rehearsal studio (60-odd miles from the gig) because it was closed until 7pm.
    so all I had with me was my fretless rickenbacker & a DL4.
     
    I guess my point is.... sometimes less is more.
     
    were any of you there?
     
    duncan/r.m.i. 


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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70E61.1F660EA4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 20:09:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6C23BF00; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5dhngd$483naq@ironport.bredband.com> From: "Thomas Wingren" To: Subject: SV: Electro Harmonix 2880 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:09:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5D83F9DE-9641-4C8E-9568-B9581E07517B@deepsoda.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccOUMNL8U3XqMI3TMCq3MKlsFYKagAH5sgQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bobby, I have the 2880 and use it to loop percussion in sync with a laptop = running Ableton Live. Midi out from the 2880 is connected to a Roland 404. Both = the 2880 and the 404 is in perfect sync with Ableton. But I have had problems with other equipment when the midi network is = very long. Do you have the same problem if you connect the ER-1 direct into = the 2880? / Thomas www.expansionsmusic.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Bobby [mailto:bobby@deepsoda.com]=20 Skickat: den 22 november 2006 16:51 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =C4mne: Electro Harmonix 2880 Has anyone had any luck running the 2880 slaved to another device? =20 I've tried a few configurations but nothing's working. My band plays live with a Midi network on stage. The midi chain is as follows: Korg ER-1 Drum machine (Drummer sets song tempo and listens to click) ----> Echoplex (git loops) ----> Korg MS2000B (arpeggiator or tempo delay with bass fed through audio in of keys.) ----> Electro Harmonix 2880 If you record in the first bank it stretches the audio all over the = place. I tried leaving that bank 1 empty and starting the loop in bank 2 . = That worked once but it eventually lost sync with the other devices and I couldn't make it happen again. I'm about to sell it and get an Echoplex if nobody has any ideas. =20 I'm no "Midiot". I just think this little machine is trying to be =20 smarter than it needs to be. Rob www.myspace.com/deepsoda www.deepsoda.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 21:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729BB3BF06; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5dhngd$483naq@ironport.bredband.com> References: <5dhngd$483naq@ironport.bredband.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55D4B09D-A917-45F4-B3EC-770760FF1286@deepsoda.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rob O'Dea Subject: Re: SV: Electro Harmonix 2880 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:04:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) I tried that, same problem. The time still wavers. The "midi out" =20 also doesn't act like a "midi thru". Anything I put after it wasn't =20 receiving the proper time. I have live but that's not gonna help out the live setup. On Nov 22, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Thomas Wingren wrote: > Hi Bobby, > > I have the 2880 and use it to loop percussion in sync with a laptop =20= > running > Ableton Live. Midi out from the 2880 is connected to a Roland 404. =20 > Both the > 2880 and the 404 is in perfect sync with Ableton. > > But I have had problems with other equipment when the midi network =20 > is very > long. Do you have the same problem if you connect the ER-1 direct =20 > into the > 2880? > > / > Thomas > www.expansionsmusic.com > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: Bobby [mailto:bobby@deepsoda.com] > Skickat: den 22 november 2006 16:51 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > =C4mne: Electro Harmonix 2880 > > Has anyone had any luck running the 2880 slaved to another device? > I've tried a few configurations but nothing's working. > > My band plays live with a Midi network on stage. The midi chain is as > follows: > > Korg ER-1 Drum machine (Drummer sets song tempo and =20 > listens to > click) ----> Echoplex (git loops) =20 > ----> > Korg MS2000B (arpeggiator or tempo delay with bass fed =20 > through > audio in of keys.) ----> Electro Harmonix =20 > 2880 > > If you record in the first bank it stretches the audio all over the =20= > place. > I tried leaving that bank 1 empty and starting the loop in bank =20 > 2 . That > worked once but it eventually lost sync with the other devices and I > couldn't make it happen again. > > I'm about to sell it and get an Echoplex if nobody has any ideas. > I'm no "Midiot". I just think this little machine is trying to be > smarter than it needs to be. > > Rob > www.myspace.com/deepsoda > www.deepsoda.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 23:59:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 179C13BEE9; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=et4f9TsQ+SKNXWybz/gRiNKm+oM5ALeD3yFyeB70AO7TJCdHBoe1oX0TAFnfSKgeBRSZ3YHKyS+39EuPmFcItQ+pSu+x9mHkZ8Tqgb2Ifwbi7rSOvjnkjE6mgTYGa82q7zaZNla+uTGCIH5LfsT5Q3NOLp14p5/R/LxawPZzSn0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:59:04 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:59:08 +0000 (UTC) OK, maybe this is geeky, but it's on topic and hopefully of interest. I just assembled a new computer that I plan to use with Mobius and Bidule or Usine. It's got the Core 2 Duo E6400 processor. http://art.simon.tripod.com/LoopingRig/ If anyone is familiar with the Live5 Performance Test, this processor has been generating some impressive numbers. My old 3.2Ghz P4 Prescott based system (overclocked to 3.46Ghz) generated a score of 37% on the test. My new Core 2 Duo system with the E6400 processor (no overclocking) is scoring 20%. That drops to 12% if I use Live 6 with multiple processor support. Overclocked, at least one ableton forum poster is getting a score of 8% with this CPU. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 00:12:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D87F33BEFC; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [207.68.174.150] X-Originating-Email: [johncecilprice@hotmail.com] X-Sender: johncecilprice@hotmail.com thread-index: AccOk/3d7zJE89xKSWq4IIsTa5809Q== Thread-Topic: Gigspam: Baptist Preachers live@johnny brenda's, blk-fri-9pm From: To: Cc: Subject: OT: Gigspam: Baptist Preachers live@johnny brenda's, blk-fri-9pm Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:11:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2006 00:12:02.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[001D3010:01C70E94] Resent-Message-ID: <5BTdTB.A.z2B.VdOZFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Last minute gig notice, cuz it just got booked...Opening for La Resistance & Serpent Throne, Baptist Preachers! http://www.myspace.com/baptistpreachers BP goes on promptly@9pm-sharp@a place called, johnny Brenda's: http://www.johnnybrendas.com/ JB's is located on the corner of Frankford & Girard, in the Fishtown section of The City of Phila; admission: $7.00...Happy Holidays! "remember to always kill your expectations" http://www.johncecilprice.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 00:28:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE523BF02; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:27:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that duo core 2 performs something 40% more efficiently than the first duo core processors. What the hell are you going to do with all that horse power, man? : ) Are you going to write a program that solves the mathematical riddles of the universe? Oh sorry, I think MAX does that.... I can't even get my duo core to go over 55% processor utilization...and that's with stacking reaktor vst, mobius vst, reverb, delay, amp, and chorus vst's, and some other high power vst effect, like PSP84. Cool page, Simon. I thinki everyone should post their rig on a webpage like that, like mine: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm (it's already out of date...need to update this weekend) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo > OK, maybe this is geeky, but it's on topic and hopefully of interest. > I just assembled a new computer that I plan to use with Mobius and > Bidule or Usine. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 08:18:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10713BEDF; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C70ED8.013FCDA1" Subject: R: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633B5F711@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780611211136q7f0a0244if29ea83851ff13aa@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM Thread-Index: AccO1/8WdoCMCMa/ReaPRB8fkf40dQ== From: To: Cc: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2006 08:18:50.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[0182C2A0:01C70ED8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:18:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70ED8.013FCDA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd, Travis, Fabio many many thanks The procedure is perfect and now my pedals works correctly. =20 =20 Montagna M Mr (Milco) =20 (BT Global Services , JBK2I = )=20 http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ =20 =20 ________________________________ Da: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Inviato: marted=EC 21 novembre 2006 20.37 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: FCB1010 EXPRESSION PEDAL PROBLEM This procedure may need to be repeated periodically as the FCB ages so = it's handy to keep around. Also, even after calibration it's not = uncommon for pedals to not quite reach "0" in normal operation. If you = find this to be the case, stick a pencil under the heel side of the = pedal while calibrating. This will give you a buffer at the bottom of = the pedal's travel and insure that the minimum value is reached easily.=20 Todd On 11/21/06, Travis Hartnett wrote:=20 Calibrating the expression pedals: =09 Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. = This requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals = will work correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer:=20 1. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit = (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the = display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display = and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in = sequence.=20 2. Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all = footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are = off. 3. Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a = couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" = (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable = between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, = meaning the midi ports work correctly.]=20 4. Press DOWN once. 5. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value = (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. 6. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value = (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.=20 7. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value = (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. 8. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value = (toe down). Once adjusted press UP. 9. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, = and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com wrote:=20 Hi all I have a problem with the pedals of my FCB1010. I correctly programming the MIN value =3D 0 but when the pedal is up = completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value about =3D 30 =20 How can i do to calibrate the pedal? =20 =20 =20 =20 =09 Montagna M Mr (Milco) =20 =09 =20 http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70ED8.013FCDA1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Todd, Travis, Fabio many many=20 thanks
    The procedure is perfect and now my pedals = works=20 correctly.
     
     
    Montagna M Mr (Milco)  =20
    (BT Global Services,=20 JBK2I)
    http://xoomer.alice.it/mi= lco.montagna/
     
     

    Da: Todd Pafford = [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20
    Inviato: marted=EC 21 novembre 2006 20.37
    A:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Oggetto: Re: FCB1010 = EXPRESSION=20 PEDAL PROBLEM

    This procedure may need to be repeated periodically as the = FCB ages=20 so it's handy to keep around.  Also, even after calibration it's = not=20 uncommon for pedals to not quite reach "0" in normal operation.  If = you=20 find this to be the case, stick a pencil under the heel side of the = pedal while=20 calibrating.  This will give you a buffer at the bottom of the = pedal's=20 travel and insure that the minimum value is reached easily. =

    Todd

    On 11/21/06, Travis=20 Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>= =20 wrote:


    Calibrating=20 the expression pedals:

    Many units ship with the exprssion = pedals not=20 correctly calibrated. This requires that you perform a manual = calibration=20 before the pedals will work correctly. The following procedure was = provided by=20 Behringer:
        1.    Keep = footswitches 1 and=20 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing = up!).=20 Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the = footswitches,=20 the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays = will turn=20 on and off in sequence.
        2.    = Wait until=20 all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, = including=20 UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off.
       =20 3.    Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There = will be=20 a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading = "F1" (at=20 least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable = between the=20 MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the = midi=20 ports work correctly.]
        4.    = Press DOWN=20 once.
        5.    Adjust the left = expression=20 pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press=20 UP.
        6.    Adjust the left = expression=20 pedal (A) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP.=20
        7.    Adjust the right = expression pedal=20 (B) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press=20 UP.
        8.    Adjust the right = expression=20 pedal (B) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press=20 UP.
        9.    Select a patch which = has both=20 pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now = send 0-127=20 (0x00-0x7F)=20



    On 11/21/06, milco.montagna@bt.com <milco.montagna@bt.com=20 > wrote:
    Hi all
    I have a problem with the = pedals of my=20 FCB1010.
    I correctly programming the = MIN value =3D=20 0 but when the pedal is up completely the FCB1010 trasmits a value = about =3D=20 30
     
    How can i do to calibrate = the=20 pedal?
     
     
     
     
    Montagna M Mr=20 (Milco)  =20

     
    http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/
    =
     

    <= /DIV>
    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C70ED8.013FCDA1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 10:15:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861043BEDE; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=roUUD24ozfJFf8g4Lw+0b0WPEJ5h/h2T5D20lDYYbunjbED3RkyoXOP28WDeZny3N6p1+R0REo9ZWpbbc9DVTZw9TZnxPvlP/PyrfFxM3uhZRpZlIrPUbgkxL0IwsBVTvj7lJqmF01W4H75+xv1D+Q9kSnUMlLQnshSJTLHoi48= In-Reply-To: <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:14:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:15:00 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" > OK, maybe this is geeky, but it's on topic and hopefully of interest. > I just assembled a new computer that I plan to use with Mobius and > Bidule or Usine. It's got the Core 2 Duo E6400 processor. > > http://art.simon.tripod.com/LoopingRig/ Nice and informative web site, Art! That Rolls audio interface looks nice, I didn't know about that one. This looks like a good start. For gigs you'll need to come up with some transportation trunk that also carries a flat screen, your FCB and all cables. Any plans on the drawing desk? :-) I think you will need that extra CPU power. From my own test lab activities I have come to the conclusion that the type of sound effect patches I like to play with in my TC Electronic FireworX takes up to the full hundred percent of my one processor 2 GHz Centrino. This means I would weight in at about half the available CPU recourse level, on a core 2 duo, and 50 % is pretty much the limit I've found you should not go over if you want to have a rock solid system for performing live with. However, besides this geeky stuff looking quite good, I've found another drawback with going software only and that is me loosing valuable time into testing and trouble-shooting. When working with VSTs (as is the only option under Windows and I need to use Windows because of Mobius) you have to test every combination of chaining different VST plug-ins because some are badly written and tend to crash the system in certain situations. For example, I needed a noise gate that closes and opens at a certain pace given by a LFO and then this LFO syncing to the global tempo (given by Looper Mobius) but rhythmically modulated (tempo division) by MIDI cc data from an expression pedal. On the FireworX it takes me a couple of minutes to set up such a patch but with VST's I was only able to find one noise gate that fitted the bill - but as soon as this particular plug-in is chained in Bidule the MIDI cc data crashes Bidule. Without that plug- in the Bidule rig is totally stable. Bad luck. So, even if it's both fun and rewarding to design your own patches in software I'm reverting back to using the laptop with the FirworX digitally connecting and doubling as the audio interface. For the digital input and bringing out the master into the PA I need to carry a third little box, the RME Multiface. Three small boxes plus instruments, pedals and cables is not that heavy but the software only laptop rig still the dream of the future ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 12:11:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F8B3BEDC; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:11:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:11:12 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > s I have come to the conclusion that the type of sound effect patches I > like to play with in my TC Electronic FireworX takes up to the full > hundred percent of my one processor 2 GHz Centrino. This means I would > weight in at about half the available CPU recourse level, on a core 2 > duo, and 50 % is pretty much the limit I've found you should not go over > if you want to have a rock solid system for performing live with. What sort of effects or stacks of effects are you proposing would take 100% of your CPU power, Per? I assume you mean that of a single core, based on the above. I'm confused why you would say that 50% is a criteria for a rock solid performance system. That's like saying the max speed of your car is 120 miles per hour, but you better only drive if 60 miles per hour if you want it to perform optimally. Have you experienced crashes with the meter at over 50% on a duo core? This is the type of behavior that Intil ingineers would want to know about, becaues I'm certain they didn't design the duo core to become unstable above 50% processor utilization. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 12:55:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1033BEDD; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tlB1CLcgvbmWQRHYhMtIJALPQEsZ7ZFOPy/TfjDoXEa84g+BY8yre4jgZQP3SFgb9VG23HrTrpd8Cs5cRXhE1qVb3X216AuRFzY4LZqIoTp85WEIYLMuuZDQ+39rvRPtC9/uMu5g1Mu5uLUHcV7SRiqd550WVc4064cnSg3QF3k= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 04:55:03 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:55:06 +0000 (UTC) On 11/23/06, Per Boysen wrote: > However, besides this geeky stuff looking quite good, I've found > another drawback with going software only and that is me loosing > valuable time into testing and trouble-shooting. When working with > VSTs (as is the only option under Windows and I need to use Windows > because of Mobius) you have to test every combination of chaining > different VST plug-ins because some are badly written and tend to > crash the system in certain situations. Good Point. I've actually had pretty good luck, and I haven't had any crashes yet (my fx chains are probably pretty crude compared to yours). I've certainly had problems getting plug-ins to talk to each other, particularly getting everything to sync with my VST host. One of my main goals with the increased processing power is to get latency down as far as it can go. And (as you can probably tell) I just like messing around with this stuff : ) -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 13:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62833BF04; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PDDjZU7Z/7xursKynoAvgmfrsMApCtyCJ1oanIPGxwh5aE6nA3QciPnH8mmwm4OLz4NGNyoaaMmpcl3R/rrNanshz4FztVmCrwKK+ps5o1LlD/oLqoqMLVO5kMT79030QDehaASCzI8QIEYzC7MBGvnVCSchH+1KJzmO1hKIbX8= In-Reply-To: <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:00:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:00:34 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >> s I have come to the conclusion that the type of sound effect >> patches I like to play with in my TC Electronic FireworX takes up >> to the full hundred percent of my one processor 2 GHz Centrino. >> This means I would weight in at about half the available CPU >> recourse level, on a core 2 duo, and 50 % is pretty much the >> limit I've found you should not go over if you want to have a >> rock solid system for performing live with. On 23 nov 2006, at 13.11, Krispen Hartung wrote: > What sort of effects or stacks of effects are you proposing would > take 100% of your CPU power, Per? I gave one example on the last post. Typically the effect patches you find in a FirworX or Eclipse. > I assume you mean that of a single core, based on the above. I'm > confused why you would say that > 50% is a criteria for a rock solid performance system. That's like > saying the max speed of your car is 120 > miles per hour, but you better only drive if 60 miles per hour if > you want it to perform optimally. Have > you experienced crashes with the meter at over 50% on a duo core? > This is the type of behavior that > Intil ingineers would want to know about, becaues I'm certain they > didn't design the duo core to become > unstable above 50% processor utilization. Not only "unstable" but also increasing the risk of artifacts in the audio streams. With some applications you can simply hear that and listen "by ear" to where the CPU strain limit kicks in for fidelity. Also, on these matters you just can not compare engineers and musicians - as well as you can not compare cars and computers ;-)) The Intel or Apple engineers are not putting one percent of their working hours into matching the needs of musicians, simply because this is such a tiny segment of the market (you may not believe that by briefly looking at Apple's advertising, but truth is those ads rely on a lot of hype referring creative artists and this does spill over into sales to customers that are not in fact working audio artists themselves, but maybe fans). The applications typically addressed by Intel, Apple and other manufacturers are the normal office suites and as for multi media applications mostly following the non-real-time context where your final work is rendered to disk. This "manufacturer's bias" is not a problem for DAW applications (ProoTools, SX, Logic) but for real-time applications in music I would definitely say it makes the line blurred. I'm just saying that I like the Firewor'x better than my one core 2 GHz centrino, because with that hardware I can do sound design up to 99.9 percent of its CPU recourses and the audio sounds good all the way. In software you have to trust the developers and if they were serious they put some code into your software that puts other routines on hold (like the graphics for example) when the CPU is under heavy strain from audio processing. But not all audi app's or plug-ins are designed in such a "smart" way. When you rely on a system like Bidule plus VST plug-ins the computer needs that big CPU headroom. Headroom is also essential when looping in Mobius (or other looping applications) because when you get to eight tracks playing back eight one minute loops simultaneously it will tax the CPU a lot more than in the beginning of the concert where you were only using two loops. As soon as I get rich I will buy a faster laptop - hopefully a Four Core or a Double Duo... thingy ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 13:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F7D3BF0A; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fmWKTFlvS5/UdbAH8q4YUMZDMeB/mCVAzJXeTWNYokqbF8qQiPrIEQ5vzmGI6+CgnxbMQ3ki8huVkwhX8AaEZKW43M0QaN/WuivmIanoRjlqYxmc/eVeruip7fBWZNAGzZkC9wkWIPzKTFFLBGl2+I2wUhqt0ZqiIdOQjqV06tU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <84D8F2D5-751C-49FE-94A2-4D9325FDE3DD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:02:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) On 23 nov 2006, at 13.55, Art Simon wrote: > I've certainly had problems getting plug-ins to talk to each > other, particularly getting everything to sync with my VST host. But... don't you use Bidule? Didn't you give me some valuable Bidule help some weeks ago? Sync seems to be implemented very well in Bidule. But you need to sort out "bad VST's" ;-) > One of my main goals with the increased processing power is to get > latency down as far as it can go. And (as you can probably tell) I > just like messing around with this stuff : ) Yeah, that's the big bonus with software! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 17:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF883BEE9; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Sn62SF8mZd8LKgiLMjVD21Ff75/BZYfjvnUdEWkNA4HRNcrMFjxsdv3n4IQPnpYZqUVm1Hf5ITzgcjIBJ6s3E36KB2lTfN/XeiRjoxfYIdC9O6Srxic9iVy5sWA1uw0UI57CUM71JVdHYLcrSzAv13FcBtJjFyyEZXAx61YOQWk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10CBD308-0D4B-44E6-99A9-77CEF2F41022@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:30:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5rBX3D.A.srD.RrdZFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes which you don't see demonstrated in this video. Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 17:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2486D3BEF3; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:57:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:58:01 +0000 (UTC) > On 23 nov 2006, at 13.11, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> What sort of effects or stacks of effects are you proposing would take >> 100% of your CPU power, Per? > > I gave one example on the last post. Typically the effect patches you > find in a FireworX or Eclipse. I missed that. Sorry. I'm inclined to think that a combination of Reaktor ensembles, MAX/MSP patches, and other high quality VSTs can work together to do what a FireworX or Eclipse can do in principle (though wiht not the exact propietary sound), with 50% CPU utilization or less (in fact, I think I'm doing it now)....of course, they won't produce that "it" factor that an Eclipse makes that allows everyone to identify it in someone's overall sound. This is why some folks go to software and MAX/MSP, because they want to be in in control of their sound and develop their own unique effect personality. I got rid of my FireworX because I thought it was limited. I can stack and combine many more effects in my PC VST system....but I don't doubt that there are FireworX patches that you can't emulate right now with your PC system, for whatever reasons. > As soon as I get rich I will buy a faster laptop - hopefully a Four Core > or a Double Duo... thingy ;-) Four core would be screamin'. I'd buy that. But I just wish some music software companies would start writing their apps to take advantage of the entire duo core design. There are default benefits of having the duo core system that do not require the app to be updated (just in the way the cores operate, they run more efficiently with a single app than a single core), but if the apps were updated, you'd see improvement. We had this discussion on the MAX/MSP discussion group. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 18:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 484383BEDF; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IQzR1c+ME19X3ZUCQMi7B+fPSYUFbaL9XU4moNDaNRKOHN2zdrnhHINqdRSB3naYx2S4s/3KBXP6mtXUSYCuTl8TFUVQZdyYZTYT+gi6X0lvK0bNNrOSn0WKE7aFZqKmD5kMCEORqhcSLIPBskBSf9N3pjC/DZFI4734AwK/R/I= In-Reply-To: <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <999AD0CF-8446-4CFE-912A-71D9C842F915@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:44:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:44:16 +0000 (UTC) On 23 nov 2006, at 18.57, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm inclined to think that a combination of Reaktor ensembles, MAX/ > MSP patches, and other high quality VSTs can work together to do > what a FireworX or Eclipse can do in principle (though wiht not the > exact propietary sound), with 50% CPU utilization or less (in fact, > I think I'm doing it now).... Yes you're right, that's what I said in my first post ;-) (but with my recent laptop it would mean 100 to 120 % CPU utilization which is a bit over the top for a single core centrino) > of course, they won't produce that "it" factor that an Eclipse > makes that allows everyone to identify it in someone's overall > sound. This is why some folks go to software and MAX/MSP, because > they want to be in in control of their sound and develop their own > unique effect personality. I know my patches down to every detail and I'm sure I would be able to copy them in Max/MSP too (as I did on the FireworX, that BTW comes with rather plain default settings). It would just be a matter of time though - time that I'd rather spend making music since I happen to have a FireworX handy and ready to go - and of course it's also a question of getting enough computing power. > I got rid of my FireworX because I thought it was limited. I can > stack and combine many more effects in my PC VST system....but I > don't doubt that there are FireworX patches that you can't emulate > right now with your PC system, for whatever reasons. The reason for not being able to emulate what happens inside a rack device is only lack of raw CPU power IMHO. I mean, a ring modulator is always a ring modulator and an LFO works the same on both computer software based and dedicated hardware systems like Eclipse/FireworX. There's nothing magical about an effect device or Max/MSP, they all have those classic effect modules that give certain complex sounds if wired up properly. What I like in the TC is that the wiring options are very musically designed and what I like with Max is that the options are all open. Bidule is somewhere in between; it's software based but has the musical "pre-fab" simplicity of hardware when dealing with tempo and sync in sound design. My understanding of Max/MSP is that to really take advantage of that system you should stay free from VST plug-ins (heck, it doesn't even support AU!) and wire up your patches from scratch by using only Max/ MSP objects. But that's what makes it too time consuming for me right now, since you also have to come up with custom workarounds to deal with tempo and sync implementation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 21:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F87C3BEEE; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: hl9rY2AVM1lhMdBJajiWCfu5tA48cpPVHRr1YhfeCMOihjziLwov4ms5u1.qOrVvWXbtLEHpEDL333na.GmSx6n7rSN0nBOmRld9zk3jIfxWXY4ArXAeeQ-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <999AD0CF-8446-4CFE-912A-71D9C842F915@gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <999AD0CF-8446-4CFE-912A-71D9C842F915@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:42:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Not necessarily true. VSTs are fine in Max... and I would bet that AU=20 is not far behind. There are also third party objects which you can use=20= in max the same way you use VSTs in other programs.....from granular=20 objects to reverbs, which are pretty nice. For those that don't know (I=20= know Per and Krispen know about it) MaxObjects.com has them. Jeez, Per, all this time writing these posts could've been put to=20 making your Max rig! ;-) It's funny how we set these deadlines, I wanted to have the new version=20= of my rig done today...which I do....I'll post specs and a screen shot=20= later. Happy Thanksgiving all.....time to put the Tofurkey in the oven..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > My understanding of Max/MSP is that to really take advantage of that=20= > system you should stay free from VST plug-ins (heck, it doesn't even=20= > support AU!) and wire up your patches from scratch by using only=20 > Max/MSP objects. But that's what makes it too time consuming for me=20 > right now, since you also have to come up with custom workarounds to=20= > deal with tempo and sync implementation.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 21:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB0B3BEE8; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c70f49$2b011930$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> <10CBD308-0D4B-44E6-99A9-77CEF2F41022@gmail.com> Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: <7gSHtD.A.gFD.YdhZFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to check out the ewi, you might be interested also in the following little vid of michael brecker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ex1sC4xMc (as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for looping) all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube > Hi guys, > > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA > > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player > and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano > sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, > only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like > portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes > which you don't see demonstrated in this video. > > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing > it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight > octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has > completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 22:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0798B3BEEE; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010701c70f51$3f3e17b0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <999AD0CF-8446-4CFE-912A-71D9C842F915@gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:46:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8uKFTB.A.MhE.VTiZFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, then, I can't wait until you get a new computer! You'll be set! > My understanding of Max/MSP is that to really take advantage of that > system you should stay free from VST plug-ins (heck, it doesn't even > support AU!) and wire up your patches from scratch by using only Max/ MSP > objects. That's right, but once you create your beautiful MAX/MSP patch, which is OS/platform neutral, you can build your own VST out of it. That's what I'm doing now...works great, plus I can share my effects with non-MAX/MSP users. I'm finding that a MAX/MSP patch consumes no more or less CPU power than the same patch converted to VST and running in my VST host...seems odd, but that's what my meters show. Creating my own VSTs is really fun. I've been making them, popping them in Chainer, and then Chainer allows me to map (in just a few seconds) any parameter to my two FCB expression pedals....for example, a stereo ring mod conrollable with the two expresss pedals, or stereo pitch, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 22:48:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4433BEF3; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011001c70f51$7c8224e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cc01c70ef8$755a02e0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2AE038A5-FC3E-4B67-9D9B-6E824C95A3C0@gmail.com> <00fc01c70f28$e8841ff0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <999AD0CF-8446-4CFE-912A-71D9C842F915@gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Thanksgiving Vacation Project: Building a new looping computer w/Core 2 Duo Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:48:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) You have to cook Tofurkey? I bet it would taste great deep fried in bacon fat. :) Hmmmmm. Kris From: "Jeff Kaiser" Happy Thanksgiving all.....time to put the Tofurkey in the oven..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 24 14:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A71C03BEDE; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WZG8gV+YrrZBDzKsJ7pdG/1z1pqxW0GL45xsOscI+DQp0neKz3O0JdNVHYg/PStyNyN/f95twPgOAHYucINY5JqJIsSS7rs63h5VbV87d+EIKJq0X/ZZwRGjtjxxJUqVhLRFmgnvr6s06mzylwiF5g0kb/MBzOwd25vCW4bVJAg=; X-YMail-OSG: i_gNNhMVM1lmRYUZXwXxLfLAI80DBESl.K08LHQV59dyPNY704pCG35LQamPhRDffx8WWBTnsPQ1dKia1qnQ9bvOKQAApzlZ1PToIDfnbLwuQDcboboL0g6rM4fnSJJLRpS0_jjndxU- Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:31:27 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: my last music To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Please listen to my last music. I play most instruments, but not the drums. Remi fagereng play the drums. http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 best regards Rune Fagereng, Norway www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 19:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54453BED8; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c70f49$2b011930$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:33:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2006 19:33:40.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C74C370:01C710C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I saw Brecker playing the EWI with HErbie Hancock a couple years back ... made everyone in the audience want to run out and buy one. I was checking ebay the next morning .... on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out there ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= this is part two of "juggler" ... you can see him build the initial loop in part one ... just wondering if anyone else has seen this guy ?? >From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >To: >Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 > >completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to check out the ewi, >you might be interested also in the following little vid of michael >brecker: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ex1sC4xMc >(as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for looping) > >all the best, tilmann > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Per Boysen" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM >Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on > > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA > > > > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional > > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player > > and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric > > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video > > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano > > sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, > > only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. > > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like > > portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes > > which you don't see demonstrated in this video. > > > > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very > > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing > > it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! > > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight > > octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman > > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has > > completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 02:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6BF3BEEC; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4568F7D5.8060803@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:11:33 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube References: <588ce11d0611221559v564a9414k6f0339d4334a9375@mail.gmail.com> <004201c70e96$3a6f3b80$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0611230455l76d5dc4fl96877e2e507d3026@mail.gmail.com> <10CBD308-0D4B-44E6-99A9-77CEF2F41022@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10CBD308-0D4B-44E6-99A9-77CEF2F41022@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Hi guys, > > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on a > Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA > > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional Weather > Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player and this > is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric Wind > Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video you can > see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano sax" > melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, only > jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. The > new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like portamento > and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes which you > don't see demonstrated in this video. > > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing it > I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! It's so > cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight octaves. Earlier > this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman Stick to loop > with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has completely seduced me to > forget about that Stick Crush ;-) Hi, Per; Congratulations on the EWI purchase. I think you've managed to find something even niche-ier than a looper. I've been playing a 4000s since last spring (and a 3000 for about fifteen years before that); in fact, I think I played a bit of EWI/Nord Micromodular on the Y2K6 Kyberloopfest session. I haven't made up my mind yet about the 4000's onboard analog modeling synth. It doesn't seem as rich as the real analog module that came with the 3000, though I have to admit that I haven't had time to fully explore the new one. Still, the 3000's module could get pretty fat; after hyperventilating on tenor for years in a futile attempt to be heard over guitarists, four oscillators worth of analog synth was... empowering. Matt Traum's company is a good resource for wind synth-specific patches, accessories and advice. http://www.patchmanmusic.com/ Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 02:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D29753BEE1; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023b01c71104$ce337a50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:44:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'll throw my cynical two cents out there... :-) I think we've talked about Keller before, plus many other guys doing this sort of thing. I can't speak for anyone else, and this is only my own feeling on the topic, but I'm not that fond of most the multi-instrumentalist, one-man-band loopers. He's a great technical player, obviously, but to me the highlight isn't the looping, but his showmanship and multi-instrumentalist ability. I think it's a great thing for the general public, who still finds this one-man approach intriguing....the public always has flocked to this sort of performance...I still see one-man bands at festivals and carnivals with their crazy contraptions on their backs, ropes and pulleys attached to cymbals, violins, bass drums, etc, etc....the crowd just eats it up. But the overall output, if I ignore the fact that he's doing it by himself, just focusing on the music, doesn't inspire me much. I'm not trying to be a scrooge or anything so close to the holidays...it's just not my cup of tea artistically. I think folks would go bonkers over guys like this at Vegas. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" > on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention Keller > Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out there ..... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= > > this is part two of "juggler" ... you can see him build the initial loop > in part one ... > > just wondering if anyone else has seen this guy ?? > > > >>From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>To: >>Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 >> >>completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to check out the ewi, >>you might be interested also in the following little vid of michael >>brecker: >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ex1sC4xMc >>(as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for looping) >> >>all the best, tilmann >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Per Boysen" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM >>Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >> >> >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on >> > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA >> > >> > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional >> > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player >> > and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric >> > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video >> > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano >> > sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, >> > only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. >> > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like >> > portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes >> > which you don't see demonstrated in this video. >> > >> > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very >> > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing >> > it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! >> > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight >> > octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman >> > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has >> > completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> > www.looproom.com (international) >> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 02:59:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75593BEFC; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: oxrwWwoVM1nth1WpjNEdS7KrVaA6O56rTU.0ZkHV4wYWJa6QSlIaPM0HfjNs4BCM5RBWN.IPqlAEe.E.CXXEAOOABTkQOTdGOAlpxl0TlppQBUusWG4FyA-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <023b01c71104$ce337a50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <023b01c71104$ce337a50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:59:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <7yi88C.A.JQD.GMQaFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:59:18 +0000 (UTC) d00d. I'm with you. I've got your back. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Nov 25, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Okay, I'll throw my cynical two cents out there... :-) > > I think we've talked about Keller before, plus many other guys doing=20= > this sort of thing. I can't speak for anyone else, and this is only my=20= > own feeling on the topic, but I'm not that fond of most the=20 > multi-instrumentalist, one-man-band loopers. He's a great technical=20= > player, obviously, but to me the highlight isn't the looping, but his=20= > showmanship and multi-instrumentalist ability. I think it's a great=20= > thing for the general public, who still finds this one-man approach=20 > intriguing....the public always has flocked to this sort of=20 > performance...I still see one-man bands at festivals and carnivals=20 > with their crazy contraptions on their backs, ropes and pulleys=20 > attached to cymbals, violins, bass drums, etc, etc....the crowd just=20= > eats it up. But the overall output, if I ignore the fact that he's=20= > doing it by himself, just focusing on the music, doesn't inspire me=20 > much. I'm not trying to be a scrooge or anything so close to the=20 > holidays...it's just not my cup of tea artistically. I think folks=20 > would go bonkers over guys like this at Vegas. > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese"=20 > >> on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention=20= >> Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out=20 >> there ..... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjofmV7LrhpA&mode=3Drelated&search=3D >> >> this is part two of "juggler" ... you can see him build the initial=20= >> loop in part one ... >> >> just wondering if anyone else has seen this guy ?? >> >> >> >>> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 >>> >>> completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to check out the ewi, >>> you might be interested also in the following little vid of michael=20= >>> brecker: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN4Ex1sC4xMc >>> (as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for looping) >>> >>> all the best, tilmann >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Per Boysen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM >>> Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >>> >>> >>> > Hi guys, >>> > >>> > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping=20= >>> on >>> > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrUtdP3jQKUA >>> > >>> > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional >>> > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good=20 >>> player >>> > and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI=20 >>> (Electric >>> > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this = video >>> > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched=20 >>> "soprano >>> > sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth=20 >>> patch, >>> > only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the=20 >>> jamman. >>> > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like >>> > portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff = envelopes >>> > which you don't see demonstrated in this video. >>> > >>> > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very >>> > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started = playing >>> > it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! >>> > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight >>> > octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a=20 >>> Chapman >>> > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has >>> > completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) >>> > >>> > Greetings from Sweden >>> > >>> > Per Boysen >>> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> > www.looproom.com (international) >>> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from=20= >> Microsoft Office Live=20 >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 03:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA9C23BEEC; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: bDqQaesVM1mJA0IBW5cw3IZwOZc2blGsUbSfnSP_kc1fKb8QaKuJqtFgABpY0ay4Cy2SGJalDb9qiq.8VbTGjZG_uuoGktLtNJC7YAIJPHUc.DcZKcPS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <023b01c71104$ce337a50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b514df43a9c5e1ac660d1fbf312e4ff@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Voodoo Pedal Power AC Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:47:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:47:28 +0000 (UTC) It is the AC version.....I've got one on eBay for sale....like=20 new...used it to power my DL4s.....and Alesis and Boss stuff...... http://tinyurl.com/yh5l9j cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 06:28:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81FE53BEF7; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:28:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2006 06:28:45.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FF36C50:01C71124] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Love it, I knew I could get a controvesy going here if I used words like "arguably one of the best .." Anyway, his approach lends to that showboat feel, since it's all purposely goofy and kinda fluffy ... so I can definetely agree with you one that ... he's hard to take seriously ....... however .... one man band style ... love it. After all .... I haven't seen very many bands making good use of looping. Seems to me that most of us are interested in how much noise one person can make. Personally, I find that there is a lot of very ambient loop music out there ... while it's all well and good, and certainly has its place ... ambient, sort of jazzy (good or bad jazzy .. either way) ... experimental music seems to be the default for most live loop musicians. I simply enjoy seeing someon do something that is not that. If nothing else, Keller does well to exploit a loop pedal in a different way ...as does Vicotor Wooten, John Scofield, Kaki King, and many of the people on this list. >From: Jeff Kaiser >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:59:10 -0800 > >d00d. I'm with you. I've got your back. > >Jeff Kaiser >http://www.JeffKaiser.com >pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > >On Nov 25, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>Okay, I'll throw my cynical two cents out there... :-) >> >>I think we've talked about Keller before, plus many other guys doing this >>sort of thing. I can't speak for anyone else, and this is only my own >>feeling on the topic, but I'm not that fond of most the >>multi-instrumentalist, one-man-band loopers. He's a great technical >>player, obviously, but to me the highlight isn't the looping, but his >>showmanship and multi-instrumentalist ability. I think it's a great thing >>for the general public, who still finds this one-man approach >>intriguing....the public always has flocked to this sort of >>performance...I still see one-man bands at festivals and carnivals with >>their crazy contraptions on their backs, ropes and pulleys attached to >>cymbals, violins, bass drums, etc, etc....the crowd just eats it up. But >>the overall output, if I ignore the fact that he's doing it by himself, >>just focusing on the music, doesn't inspire me much. I'm not trying to be >>a scrooge or anything so close to the holidays...it's just not my cup of >>tea artistically. I think folks would go bonkers over guys like this at >>Vegas. >> >>Kris >>----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" >>>on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention >>>Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out there >>>..... >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= >>> >>>this is part two of "juggler" ... you can see him build the initial loop >>>in part one ... >>> >>>just wondering if anyone else has seen this guy ?? >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>>>Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" >>>>To: >>>>Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >>>>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:48:51 +0100 >>>> >>>>completely un-loop-oriented, but if you want to check out the ewi, >>>>you might be interested also in the following little vid of michael >>>>brecker: >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ex1sC4xMc >>>>(as far as i know, he uses the boomerang for looping) >>>> >>>>all the best, tilmann >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Per Boysen" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:30 PM >>>>Subject: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi guys, >>>> > >>>> > I just noticed there is a video clip of Jeff Kashiwa live-looping on >>>> > a Lexicon Jamman (?) with an EWI 4000s: >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtdP3jQKUA >>>> > >>>> > It's not very spectacular music style-wise, pretty traditional >>>> > Weather Report influenced fusion jazz, but Jeff is such a good player >>>> > and this is a great chance to see this new model of the EWI (Electric >>>> > Wind Controller) that has good built-in synth sounds. In this video >>>> > you can see how Jeff plays deep bass lines and high pitched "soprano >>>> > sax" melodies almost at the same time by using the same synth patch, >>>> > only jumping up and down in octave while overdubbing into the jamman. >>>> > The new EWI also has good "synth-like" performing options like >>>> > portamento and breath controlled attack- or filter cutoff envelopes >>>> > which you don't see demonstrated in this video. >>>> > >>>> > Myself I was incredibly lucky to pick up an EWI 4000s for a very >>>> > friendly price in San Jose and since I got back and started playing >>>> > it I think I have never used my pitch-down-octave patches at all! >>>> > It's so cool to loop with an instrument that covers over eight >>>> > octaves. Earlier this year I was very interested in getting a Chapman >>>> > Stick to loop with, for the huge octave span, but my EWI has >>>> > completely seduced me to forget about that Stick Crush ;-) >>>> > >>>> > Greetings from Sweden >>>> > >>>> > Per Boysen >>>> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> > www.looproom.com (international) >>>> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from >>>Microsoft Office Live >>>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ >>> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 06:39:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B58F3BEF8; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: HD68QsIVM1mNouPGdgOnGpzi7tIp6AFXM1gPymbwg._1XrLH0SOYbEPOd11horxuc3RKZeATBATYjfm711HpcFSGyBdqH6BrBrvnndwWlzAqJ1J7yGhz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ce7c71f4ba7a981139fa846bd980991@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:39:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:39:25 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 25, 2006, at 10:28 PM, aaron leese wrote: > Seems to me that most of us are interested in how much noise one=20 > person can make. and the problem is....? :-) cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 06:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1633BEF8; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <0ce7c71f4ba7a981139fa846bd980991@pfmentum.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:49:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2006 06:49:11.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA9533A0:01C71126] Resent-Message-ID: <_z4cOB.A.IrB.ojTaFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:49:13 +0000 (UTC) haha ... it keeps us up all night and makes us neglect our jobs. no sorry, thats not a problem either ... guess there aint one. lets get back to musicating. >From: Jeff Kaiser >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:39:22 -0800 > > >On Nov 25, 2006, at 10:28 PM, aaron leese wrote: > >>Seems to me that most of us are interested in how much noise one person >>can make. > >and the problem is....? > >:-) > >cheers, >Jeff > >Jeff Kaiser >http://www.JeffKaiser.com >pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 12:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BBF83BEE0; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ljj2pXlSWqEM+oUl/V+kVu6fhBAPLQRMTTZ1G6Dm5vr0yn834AGyvm55JoWXriXBuU2C2yk4l/8cqYcAPXIf7mOEesPd0t2eU3gTJuUvofgbhmTUFemr/aD1kIG/acEPYAooOW+BsRdg9oCdqhm5ctqVTWI6tjV8S/h1gT0/6XU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Keller Williams ( Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:03:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:03:29 +0000 (UTC) On 25 nov 2006, at 20.33, aaron leese wrote: > on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention > Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out > there ..... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= Great video! It's always a joy to see a brilliant musician play, but it wasn't really much of looping happening? I mean, he is hardly playing the loopers at all - only traditional instruments that he records on loopers. I was particularly amused by his thermin solo. What a funny guy and a great player! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 16:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A7E03BEE8; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:12:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:12:42 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > I haven't seen very many bands making good use of looping. I'd agree with that, and I'd put Keller in this category, one because he isn't a band, and two his looping technique isn't really the highlight (as Per poins out). And especially the type where multple people are linked together via the same looping grid...like with Echoplexes linked...I was really hoping to see someone doing that at Y2K6, but no such luck...a lot of duos looping asynchronously. Wasn't it Per, Mathias, Rick, and several others who did this true group/loop thing in Europe several years ago? > Personally, I find that there is a lot of very ambient loop music out > there ... while it's all well and good, and certainly has its place ... > ambient, sort of jazzy (good or bad jazzy .. either way) ... experimental > music seems to be the default for most live loop musicians. I simply > enjoy seeing someon do something that is not that. I think the experimental stands on its own sepearate from the ambient/jazzy species you site above. There aren't a lot of people doing really experimental looping in the strict sense of the approach, but certainly ambient is very pervasive....probably because it is much easier to pull off with a lot of cool gear and looping devices. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 16:15:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58CCF3BEEA; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Keller Williams ( Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:15:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <_QkSVD.A.vkE.52baFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:15:54 +0000 (UTC) I think he ought to bag the Theremin....icky, cheesiosity. It sounds horrendous to me....though for a second there he had this turn-table scratch thing going on with it...I like that. Hey, that could be a new style....Genie has scratch guitar...someone could take scratch Theremin....because you don't have to play in tune, which seems to be the downfall of amateur Theremin players....again, another gimick for the Vegas showman. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: Keller Williams ( Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube) > On 25 nov 2006, at 20.33, aaron leese wrote: > >> on another note .... I am suprised I never hear anyone hear mention >> Keller Williams .... arguably one of the best loop musicians out there >> ..... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofmV7LrhpA&mode=related&search= > > > Great video! It's always a joy to see a brilliant musician play, but it > wasn't really much of looping happening? I mean, he is hardly playing the > loopers at all - only traditional instruments that he records on loopers. > I was particularly amused by his thermin solo. What a funny guy and a > great player! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 19:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66AC3BEE8; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <002701c70e08$a28f8370$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: very OT: Ted, are you there? Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:18:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, Did you get my reply? I did send one. Best regards, Ted Killian On Nov 21, 2006, at 11:34 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Sorry to all for taking up this bandwidth, but: > > I have been trying several times in the past days to reach Ted Killian > via > his usual email address, but it bounced back. > > So...if anyone knows about Ted's email-technical whereabouts, would you > please drop me a line? > > And Ted, if you read this - I was inquiring about a possible use of > your > logo of the y2k6loopfest for my CD cover art. Could you get in contact > via > private mail? > > And btw (to Ted an everyone). Ted's CD rocks! > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 19:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BBE63BEF7; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:41:16 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: , =?iso-8859-1?Q?'tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn'?= Subject: very OT: Ted, are you there? Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001701c71192$d942ce80$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AccRj7Dy0s67ELsFRy+IT6q+lHWR5AAAv1Og X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted, yes, got your reply, thanks! I'm sending this to the list again, because = I just also got the following reply from one of the mails I sent to you directly: The original message was received at Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:19:47 +0100 = (MET) from succubus [84.56.21.132] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 451 4.4.1 Timeout connecting to mail.charter.net) Don't know what the reason was - I'll use another email account in the future... Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: tEd =AE kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2006 20:19 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: very OT: Ted, are you there? >=20 > Rainer, >=20 > Did you get my reply? I did send one. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ted Killian >=20 > On Nov 21, 2006, at 11:34 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: >=20 > > Sorry to all for taking up this bandwidth, but: > > > > I have been trying several times in the past days to reach=20 > Ted Killian=20 > > via his usual email address, but it bounced back. > > > > So...if anyone knows about Ted's email-technical whereabouts, would=20 > > you please drop me a line? > > > > And Ted, if you read this - I was inquiring about a possible use of=20 > > your logo of the y2k6loopfest for my CD cover art. Could you get in=20 > > contact via private mail? > > > > And btw (to Ted an everyone). Ted's CD rocks! > > > > Rainer > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 20:14:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 532613BEE8; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:12:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Keller Williams ( Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:14:59 +0000 (UTC) >>he is hardly playing the loopers at all - only traditional >>instruments that he records on loopers. Huh? Is that a problem? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 20:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7CEF3BEF4; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:16:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: linking EDPs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) At 9:12 AM -0700 11/26/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >And especially the type where multple people are linked together via >the same looping grid...like with Echoplexes linked... I'm very much interested in trying htat. Anyone in the Bay Arae with an Echoplex who'd like to get together? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 20:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3193BF00; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=B6+lLIx//83MJRmFeDd7EaHH8VaJeUGfuFZLlyN5vlyQ9i6igTohHY7H5oJCMeM1L41O/08eevvAxr6O9W/CX8ScrDVHM5wh2274oQ038K/FsST+d5e0FrzF1olsaRoCOtqYgUF8Qq+m1XgRkFclCXrO5wLB847HzDzvwrupugs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:44:10 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams ( Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6633_7758825.1164573850401" References: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:44:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6633_7758825.1164573850401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's not terribly interesting from a looping perspective at this point in time, when looping technology has been widely available for more than a decade. He records a snippet, he overdubs a few things, he sings. it's easy to imagine all of his tunes played the same way with a four piece band who could switch off on instruments. Contrast that with Andre LaFosse, who produces music which could not exist in realtime without significant skill with a looping device and an uncommon approach to the guitar. Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary consideration in most cases. More power to Keller for finding a supportive audience for what he loves to do, but I doubt he expects people to be blown away by the looping aspect of his music either--it's all just means to an end. TravisH On 11/26/06, David Gans wrote: > > > > >>he is hardly playing the loopers at all - only traditional > >>instruments that he records on loopers. > > Huh? Is that a problem? > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > > ------=_Part_6633_7758825.1164573850401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's not terribly interesting from a looping perspective at this point in time, when looping technology has been widely available for more than a decade.  He records a snippet, he overdubs a few things, he sings.  it's easy to imagine all of his tunes played the same way with a four piece band who could switch off on instruments.  Contrast that with Andre LaFosse, who produces music which could not exist in realtime without significant skill with a looping device and an uncommon approach to the guitar.

    Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several years.  He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary consideration in most cases.

    More power to Keller for finding a supportive audience for what he loves to do, but I doubt he expects people to be blown away by the looping aspect of his music either--it's all just means to an end.

    TravisH

    On 11/26/06, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:


    >>he is hardly  playing the loopers at all - only traditional
    >>instruments that he records on loopers.

    Huh?  Is that a problem?



    --

    David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
    Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
    Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
    Web site: http://www.dgans.com


    ------=_Part_6633_7758825.1164573850401-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 21:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222563BEF3; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gCUaoqVRlC5fvMowNI6wPZ2A18TuYckVjYfmfTaSEevoiG4KqO4JBhx29zp7rBGU1snJsaU/IGR7EVSQMUhOR5TKJQZnfsTupIao1CMJHDlNXoCMIw31UCP4v8IFln4mps6TrQN4kXABUjJxpIrjgQjngUSuUHMJ6mYGqPArhyM= In-Reply-To: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:14:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:14:26 +0000 (UTC) On 26 nov 2006, at 17.12, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wasn't it Per, Mathias, Rick, and several others who did this true =20 > group/loop thing in Europe several years ago? Yes, we did that here in Sweden in 2003. Bernhard Wagner and me also =20 played synced duo looping in Z=FCrich last year. It's great fun - but =20= it's also fun to play without any technical sync, only the musical =20 instinct... which isn't a bad sync clock either to hook up with ;-) What I like with group looping under a house clock is that you are =20 free to get totally off tempo and still have the option to get back =20 right on the beat, if needed. You can let go of some more control and =20= enjoy chaos better. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 21:35:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967383BEFB; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:29:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Keller Williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:35:07 +0000 (UTC) At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the >newness of Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the >fact that he's using some box to record his playing, then you just >focus on his actual music, which I personally found to be standard >singer-songwriter fare, based on the one live CD of his that I >bought, which is where I expected to find the big display of looping >that I'd heard about for several years. He's unlikely to be raved >about on a guitar or bass discussion list either, which isn't a >problem...unless the focus of the list itself is guitar or bass >playing, in which case that aspect receives primary consideration in >most cases. Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 23:49:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C2A3BEF3; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> Subject: Linking Multiple EDPs for Group Looping/Improv Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:49:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Per, can you share any of those recordings with the group? I thought they were online somewhere. Regarding the syncing of multiple EDPs...you could do it so that you aren't synced to a meter, correct? I don't understand this feature of the EDPs that well, but is it true that one of the EDPs (or the first one that starts the looping) sort of sets the initial looping framework for everyone else? For example, if Looper A starts the looping and creates a 30 second non-metered loop, then when Looper B adds his part, it gets looped within that 30 seconds, correct? (assuming he doesn't Multiply). If this is correct, then the beauty of linking the EDPs is that you can do whatever you want with the group, metered or non-metered...it depends on what the first person does. I wouldn't even use any MIDI or beat syncing if I were to do this with a group. What happens if two people press Overdub on their contollers at the same time? I'm assuming it overdubs on their own EDP memory, but still abides by the original EDP loop framework. This is intriguing. It would be cool if Mobius has a features like this, to be able to connect multiple Mobius apps on many laptops. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: EWI looping by Jeff Kashiwa on youtube On 26 nov 2006, at 17.12, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wasn't it Per, Mathias, Rick, and several others who did this true > group/loop thing in Europe several years ago? Yes, we did that here in Sweden in 2003. Bernhard Wagner and me also played synced duo looping in Zürich last year. It's great fun - but it's also fun to play without any technical sync, only the musical instinct... which isn't a bad sync clock either to hook up with ;-) What I like with group looping under a house clock is that you are free to get totally off tempo and still have the option to get back right on the beat, if needed. You can let go of some more control and enjoy chaos better. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 00:10:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD633BEFB; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:06:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Linking Multiple EDPs for Group Looping/Improv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7MzCRC.A.JEH.fziaFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) At 4:49 PM -0700 11/26/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Regarding the syncing of multiple EDPs...you could do it so that you >aren't synced to a meter, correct? .... is it true that one of the >EDPs (or the first one that starts the looping) sort of sets the >initial looping framework for everyone else? That's how it worked the one time I tried it. Once the initial period has been defined, each player has control of his own contents. >What happens if two people press Overdub on their contollers at the >same time? I'm assuming it overdubs on their own EDP memory, but >still abides by the original EDP loop framework. Yes. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 01:16:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20F583BEF7; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eI5JjB2gJpZjmddqbj4LUhrQfr23urouAVg25X7tvdlrQ0EPBtli+LruVO00TFqfIMhrwOFFKzG9pOGvN2PTJIdgegCYjLb9pT4LNwoj70KDan/GUw15nfjYz+veEIMb1IQ/YKUEIFCeG9IRsz+xJ7lTreIAVUx/FSdxeRCfbZk= In-Reply-To: <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7219BFF6-3EE7-474F-A5C2-FCC622F343DB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Linking Multiple EDPs for Group Looping/Improv Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:16:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:16:53 +0000 (UTC) On 27 nov 2006, at 00.49, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, can you share any of those recordings with the group? I > thought they were online somewhere. ' Sure! I found this unlinked old page: http://www.looproom.com/ looptour2003/edu.php > Regarding the syncing of multiple EDPs...you could do it so that > you aren't synced to a meter, correct? I don't understand this > feature of the EDPs that well, Simply connect a stereo cable between the two brother sync jacks. This is not syncing a specific meter, the meter is what you play (eventually...), but rather a "global timing base". It's established by the first EDP that creates a cycle. Other brother synced musicians can start loops on their local EDPs and depending on what 8ths/cycle setting they are using their own EDP makes up a cycle length (and a BPM tempo) related to the global beat. If a local musician have other gear synced to his EDP by MIDI clock this slaving gear will follow his own local tempo, which may be the same or a division of the global tempo. > It would be cool if Mobius has a features like this, to be able to > connect multiple Mobius apps on many laptops. Mobius already has that, because each track in Mobius is like a brother synced EDP. You can create parallel loops on different tracks that do not have the same length and eventually get back on the same down beat only after many, many rounds. So if you MIDI Clock sync a bunch of EDPs running Mobius it equals a bunch of brother synced EDP racks ;-)) Kris, I don't understand your constant implications that "sync" would be something statical or mechanical in musicianship. You don't have to play stiff just because there is a global tempo somewhere! The best "free, non-meter," improvisations usually follow a tempo pretty close - it's just that no one in the group plays it out explicitly. Rick Walker is a good example of a great musician that can play ritardando or accelerando over a stiff tempo - I mean actually slowly change his playing tempo until he hooks up with the sync in double- or halfspeed. Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones is a drummer that has always done that in a more minimal approach... well, he, he... maybe we should just say that he was temporarily absent minded behind his drum kit and fell back into a slower tempo and then woke up a bit and started to catch up with the rest of the band over quite a long period. I have always loved that drum playing. One drummer that is on many Ry Cooder records have the same elastic tempo feel - don't know his name but it sounds great to me (and STuart Copeland, not to forget)! One time I was talking with a Death Metal producer here and this guy told me that he never wants the drummer in the band to overdub a tambourine in the studio, because "drummers play too perfectly on the beat". He wants guitarists to lay down the tambourine because " for a guitarist, or a singer, the important thing is not to lay down a steady beat - it is to put on a show and create tension". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 03:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459903BEEC; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ed01c711d0$933ebaa0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7219BFF6-3EE7-474F-A5C2-FCC622F343DB@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Linking Multiple EDPs for Group Looping/Improv Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:03:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:03:15 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > >> It would be cool if Mobius has a features like this, to be able to >> connect multiple Mobius apps on many laptops. > > Mobius already has that, because each track in Mobius is like a brother > synced EDP. You can create parallel loops on different tracks that do not > have the same length and eventually get back on the same down beat only > after many, many rounds. So if you MIDI Clock sync a bunch of EDPs > running Mobius it equals a bunch of brother synced EDP racks ;-)) Got it, but I meant connecting more than one Mobius application on a computer, via MIDI, and between multiple computers. I suppose anything is possible with MIDI and a MIDI junction (grand central station) box of some sort. > Kris, I don't understand your constant implications that "sync" would be > something statical or mechanical in musicianship. You don't have to play > stiff just because there is a global tempo somewhere! The best "free, > non-meter," improvisations usually follow a tempo pretty close - it's > just that no one in the group plays it out explicitly. [cut] I think we are just talking about different things here. I'm talking more about using sync to quantize what we play and force it into a meter, or making it easier for multiple people to play in meter, or to a pre-set pattern. I do understand that regardless of there being a meter in place, you can nonetheless do what you want...I do it frequently in jazz. I guess I'm speaking more of meter syncing when that function alters what we originally play. It basically comes down to control for me....I'm a conrol freak. :) I like to control the flow of music myself, so a constant meter in the background, even if I can play outside of it would serve no purpose for me, unless I want it to change what I play (whic isn't the case). Sorry for the confusion. I probably never explained myself on this one that well. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 03:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF54A3BEE0; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <7219BFF6-3EE7-474F-A5C2-FCC622F343DB@gmail.com> References: <029201c71175$b0b50e50$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <76A141B4-AEBC-482D-8B5D-40AD4B1521F8@gmail.com> <02dc01c711b5$909009a0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7219BFF6-3EE7-474F-A5C2-FCC622F343DB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59D138CF-C15F-4494-915D-D6651CA1E98A@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Linking Multiple EDPs for Group Looping/Improv Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:08:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:08:20 +0000 (UTC) [Kris] > It would be cool if Mobius has a features like this, to be able to > connect multiple Mobius apps on many laptops. [Per] > So if you MIDI Clock sync a bunch of EDPs running Mobius it equals a > bunch of brother synced EDP racks ;-)) Yes, in one configuration, you have a drum machine or another master clock source, send it to a MIDI splitter to route the clocks to each laptop, then set each Mobius to Sync=In. The downside here is that the looper doesn't define the tempo. Another configuration that is more like EDP brother sync is to designate one laptop as the master and have the MIDI out from that laptop patched to the MIDI in of the other laptops. The master uses Sync=Out and the others use Sync=In. As soon as the master loop is recorded, it defines the tempo and starts sending MIDI clocks that the others can sync to. This is not nearly as elegant as EDP brother sync though, because it is difficult to change the master laptop. You have to stop and change presets so that everyone agrees who should be Sync=Out and who should be Sync=In. Then you have to re-cable everyone so the right MIDI out is connected to all the MIDI ins. If each laptop had a MIDI splitter/ merger box you could in theory have them all connected to each other in every possible way, but this gets complicated as the number of musicians increases. Something I've thought about but haven't made any progress on is allowing Mobius instances to synchronize over an ethernet connection. You would need a basic ethernet router (such as those you get to share a high-speed internet connection), and one ethernet cable for each laptop. This would be much simpler to set up than a MIDI network. The Mobius instances would discover each other, and could pass master control around without having to reconfigure. Someday maybe. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 04:28:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B4C3BEF3; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220061112742812349@bigvalley.net> X-Priority: 3 From: "twglabmotories research facility" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: linking EDPs Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:28:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 04:28:06 +0000 (UTC) When you say "Echoplexes" you refer to the non-tape based model correct=3F I'can't say I'm very savvy in this department but I've enjoyed looping for years=2E Both of my Echoplexes are old school but I do have the digital Boomerang w/ fattened memory chippage=2E Just no computer interface for it=2E ---- Original Message ---- From: david@trufun=2Ecom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: linking EDPs Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:16:44 -0800 >At 9:12 AM -0700 11/26/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>And especially the type where multple people are linked together via > >>the same looping grid=2E=2E=2Elike with Echoplexes linked=2E=2E=2E > >I'm very much interested in trying htat=2E Anyone in the Bay Arae with > >an Echoplex who'd like to get together=3F > > > >--=20 > >David Gans - david@trufun=2Ecom or david@gdhour=2Ecom >Truth and Fun, Inc=2E, 484 Lake Park Ave=2E #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >Blog: http://logblog=2Egdhour=2Ecom >Web site: http://www=2Edgans=2Ecom > = Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! 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See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 05:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A0A3BEEA; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 11.28.06 @ the PiNG > STYROHEAD & SPACENOIZ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:14:32 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c711e2$ed011260$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Last PiNG note and LiVE in-club show before the holidays, but we'll be back soon as we settle into our regular last Tuesday of the month space at the DRAKE UNDERGROUND. Until next time, be safe, be happy and keep listening to the space around you. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.28.06 . The PiNG Presents STYROHEAD & SPACENOIZ @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin Tuesday November 28th . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) A special performance featuring PiNG favourites STYROHEAD (Joe G) & SPACENOIZ (Jim Field of Rhea's Obsession), performing together for the first time to kick out the sonic jams. Prepare to be intrigued as these two guitar, synth and sample heads improvise the night away as they take us on a journey through space. http://www.styrohead.com http://myspace.com/styrohead http://www.myspace.com/jimfieldfromrheas http://www.myspace.com/rheasobsession Between Sets we'll be featuring some of "Kairos" the splendid new DVD from Steve Roach featuring his magnificent music merged with imagery from a variety of visual artists: Lynn Augustein, Steve Lazur, Steven Rooke, John Wadsworth and John Vega with Roger King. A gorgeous synthesis of sound and visions. To set the mood before the first set, we'll be spinning Roach's latest live CD release "Storm Surge" a recording of his performance at the 2005 NEARfest. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 17:48:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDB93BEF1; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <02a101c71176$248fb780$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--488582695 Message-Id: <3bc209a373929a1f9d370c741113c0ee@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--488582695 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. What's about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you besides David (Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for loopers. I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply lusting for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode (loops playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing linear - one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of frustrating. I'd like one loop to be the guide track that plays under all the other loops... but not have all the other loops layer on top of each other. (I wonder if you can do that with the Looperlative?) OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks would be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems possible, though. The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to looping! Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think we might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. Might experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old songs. Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record company wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. Every day is a new measure! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness >> of Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that >> he's using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his >> actual music, which I personally found to be standard >> singer-songwriter fare, based on the one live CD of his that I >> bought, which is where I expected to find the big display of looping >> that I'd heard about for several years. He's unlikely to be raved >> about on a guitar or bass discussion list either, which isn't a >> problem...unless the focus of the list itself is guitar or bass >> playing, in which case that aspect receives primary consideration in >> most cases. > > Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > --Apple-Mail-1--488582695 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. What's about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you besides David (Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for loopers. I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply lusting for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode (loops playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing linear - one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of frustrating. I'd like one loop to be the guide track that plays under all the other loops... but not have all the other loops layer on top of each other. (I wonder if you can do that with the Looperlative?) OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks would be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems possible, though. The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to looping! Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think we might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. Might experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old songs. Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record company wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. Every day is a new measure! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary consideration in most cases. Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --Apple-Mail-1--488582695-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 19:57:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C108A3BEE1; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.236.152.193] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <3bc209a373929a1f9d370c741113c0ee@glasswing.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:57:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2006 19:57:22.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[40D51280:01C7125E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the jam band scene is Kellers bread and butter ..... I first saw him play at a jam band festival a number of years back. It was the first time I saw anyone loop .... actually he looped a good bit more back then. Keller, on the other hand, credits Victor Wooten as the first person he saw loop. Speaking of which, I saw Bela fleck this past year. Every member of that group (minus the saxophonist) has a solo performance for every show. Victors was a long looped piece on the RC50. He managed to play all the parts to a Bela fleck song himself, then just float off into a bunch of fun looped jams. VW is amazing man. Anyway ... your right, the jam band scene has taken to looping pretty heavily now. There are a number of jam bands that use loop pedals. >From: Richard Sales >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:14 -0800 > >Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. What's >about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you besides David >(Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for loopers. > >I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply lusting >for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode (loops >playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing linear - >one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of frustrating. I'd >like one loop to be the guide track that plays under all the other loops... >but not have all the other loops layer on top of each other. (I wonder if >you can do that with the Looperlative?) >OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks would >be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems possible, >though. > >The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering >looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. >But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to >looping! > >Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think we >might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. Might >experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. > >Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. >We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old songs. >Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record company >wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of >the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. > >Every day is a new measure! > >richard sales >glassWing farm and studio >vancouver island, b.c. >800.545.6846 >250.752.4816 >www.glassWing.com >www.richardsales.com >www.hayleysales.com >www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: > >>At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>>Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of >>>Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's >>>using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual >>>music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, >>>based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected >>>to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several >>>years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion >>>list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself >>>is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary >>>consideration in most cases. >> >>Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. >> >> >>-- >> >>David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >>Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >>Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com >>Web site: http://www.dgans.com >> > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97573BEF8; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YDfp+pqtaQaHI2O03XLALIlmGkuWDWg8rglHy/wtkzhQEhlVjce0tk2FsLrca8+D; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24148824.1164658119640.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: greenscene@earthlink.net Reply-To: greenscene@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Custom Linc Luthier guitar for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 326c1f75b7c4afe7cbae38b235b0bda9239a348a220c26098a589c7c101b60b792d662a9aac2ceeea7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have a beautiful, handmade Linc Luthier custom-electric guitar for sale. The neck and chambered body are made of exotic hardwoods and there is no plastic to be found anywhere--even the pickups have figured-wood caps. It is virtually brand-new and has only been played a few times. Here is the Linc Luthier guitar page: http://members.aol.com/lincinc/guitars.html Also comes with a super-plush, handmade hard case and footswitch for the magnetic & piezo-pickup system. Plays like a dream--this is indeed a once-in-a-lifetime guitar. I paid over $3,000 for it, but will consider all serious offers. Please email me offline for more info and photos. thanks, Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845933BEFE; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BHOm8sMlsS35CUUtWFVpk6qnE/0b4gE23LZ13fHTVeLMK0G1lf8/lJKD8SVjJBpMw3nt0d8FqIGVPaKbyLzmO0fHavre/QX7553eXThzQKcXxOF/EfifzSuexj6ygh7RbDO9RrPSzo7rqFb5knhQfDrp33zIYs/nDT7D/89+/Vk= Message-ID: <913728d60611271257g7dbb9b5cr86e7def6b3b8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:57:58 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Victor Wooten was: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of Victor Wooten, I know this came out before I got on the LD list, but Victor Wooten has a DVD out called "Live at Bass Day '98" where he uses a looper for a few songs--very cool show :) He doesn't go crazy with looping like some, but he does in fact use a looper, and it sounds pretty good imo :) Charlie On 11/27/06, aaron leese wrote: > > > > Yeah, the jam band scene is Kellers bread and butter ..... I first saw him > play at a jam band festival a number of years back. It was the first time I > saw anyone loop .... actually he looped a good bit more back then. > > Keller, on the other hand, credits Victor Wooten as the first person he saw > loop. > > Speaking of which, I saw Bela fleck this past year. Every member of that > group (minus the saxophonist) has a solo performance for every show. > Victors was a long looped piece on the RC50. He managed to play all the > parts to a Bela fleck song himself, then just float off into a bunch of fun > looped jams. VW is amazing man. > > Anyway ... your right, the jam band scene has taken to looping pretty > heavily now. There are a number of jam bands that use loop pedals. > > > > > > >From: Richard Sales > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 > >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:14 -0800 > > > >Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. What's > >about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you besides David > >(Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for loopers. > > > >I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply lusting > >for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode (loops > >playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing linear - > >one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of frustrating. I'd > >like one loop to be the guide track that plays under all the other loops... > >but not have all the other loops layer on top of each other. (I wonder if > >you can do that with the Looperlative?) > >OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks would > >be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems possible, > >though. > > > >The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering > >looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. > >But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to > >looping! > > > >Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think we > >might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. Might > >experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. > > > >Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. > >We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old songs. > >Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record company > >wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of > >the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. > > > >Every day is a new measure! > > > >richard sales > >glassWing farm and studio > >vancouver island, b.c. > >800.545.6846 > >250.752.4816 > >www.glassWing.com > >www.richardsales.com > >www.hayleysales.com > >www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > >On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > >>At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> > >>>Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of > >>>Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's > >>>using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual > >>>music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, > >>>based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected > >>>to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several > >>>years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion > >>>list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself > >>>is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary > >>>consideration in most cases. > >> > >>Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > >>Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > >>Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com > >>Web site: http://www.dgans.com > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, > age, and price. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 21:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8BF3BEF8; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jZHzckcxikLAsjBwBFcbiRrip0bj4xwHLwKRTBrd7ylS0YwYYVoNx2N+0UwZjprBeWdyYnyR8yU8BnJJUYUlwXoRAgJYth6TWzxWDTSNafQrjPiH34ra2N+kkSqczATRr7CrMTOAvoyTW1dAbOixr3uaEH1K08QQ9rVDFLBJezI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34FAC699-C485-4E9A-A237-895CC20701FF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EWI looping clip posted Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:55:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:55:09 +0000 (UTC) http://www.looproom.com/audio/ewi_jam_nov2006.mp3 If anyone should be interested... Musically: Just jamming with myself into a long loop. No defined tempo, key or chord structure. Only goofing around, reacting to sound and gestures, layering whatever comes into my mind. Technically: Using the EWI4000s to play samples lifted off the tape loops of the original mellotrones MK2 and M300. Oh, there's one exception, the trumpet sound which I picked from the Logic default sample library (and tweaked a lot). The sound unit you hear is my Powerbook laptop recorded straight from the stereo output. On the powerbook I used Logic and its sampler EXS24, which by the way is an excellent sampler for EWI playing because it lets you custom the sound patches to react, soundwise, to all MIDI data sent out from the EWI when you are playing it. I reworked all the mellotrone sample patches - and the trumpet patch - to fit my personal playing style, which I guess is something you have to do to feel ok with playing an EWI. The looper used was Expert Sleepers AU plug-in Augustus Loop. The ticking sound noise you hear (that sounds a bit like a damaged vinyl disk) is caused by a the Pluggo plug-in "SpeedShifter" (Cycling74). I love the undertones SpeedShifter can add so I can live with those artifacts. Because I can't find any other sampler, than the EXS24, to match the sensitivity of the EWI I have been using the G4 Powerbook a lot for some days now and I must say I'm amazed how efficient it is with Logic and the Cycling74 plug-ins! When I bought Pluggo I was mainly using them on a dual G5 and had a lot of issues. The good guys at Cyclinig74 tried to help me out but they had a hard time since they didn't even have a G5 machine to troubleshoot their software on. So for some years I have been living with the false assumption that Cycling74 software is unstable and risky to use. But in fact Cycling74 stuff rocks on a G4 powerbook that should be "a slow laptop" compared to the new machines (so does Logic). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:03:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E9B3BF02; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:03:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:03:12 +0000 (UTC) What's the hype about jam bands, anyway? And adding looping to boot? How much burnt sage, petrulli oil, and hours of noodling can folks actually tolerate? :) Heh heh...sorry, I had to get that one in. I guess I don't understand what more looping can add to the jam band thing, unless it is to replace a band member, which would be fairly easy to do given how repetitive most jam band "jams" are...and folks want to add more repetition to an already repetitious structure? Now, if we're talking the really good Phish improvs, that is a different story....those guys know how to jam without it being a mind numbing, THC induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius. Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess, but I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out of shape! :) K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 > > > > Yeah, the jam band scene is Kellers bread and butter ..... I first saw him > play at a jam band festival a number of years back. It was the first time > I saw anyone loop .... actually he looped a good bit more back then. > > Keller, on the other hand, credits Victor Wooten as the first person he > saw loop. > > Speaking of which, I saw Bela fleck this past year. Every member of that > group (minus the saxophonist) has a solo performance for every show. > Victors was a long looped piece on the RC50. He managed to play all the > parts to a Bela fleck song himself, then just float off into a bunch of > fun looped jams. VW is amazing man. > > Anyway ... your right, the jam band scene has taken to looping pretty > heavily now. There are a number of jam bands that use loop pedals. > > > > > >>From: Richard Sales >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 >>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:14 -0800 >> >>Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. >>What's about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you >>besides David (Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for >>loopers. >> >>I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply >>lusting for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode >>(loops playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing >>linear - one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of >>frustrating. I'd like one loop to be the guide track that plays under all >>the other loops... but not have all the other loops layer on top of each >>other. (I wonder if you can do that with the Looperlative?) >>OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks >>would be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems >>possible, though. >> >>The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering >>looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. >>But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to >>looping! >> >>Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think we >>might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. >>Might experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. >> >>Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. >>We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old songs. >>Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record company >>wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of >>the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. >> >>Every day is a new measure! >> >>richard sales >>glassWing farm and studio >>vancouver island, b.c. >>800.545.6846 >>250.752.4816 >>www.glassWing.com >>www.richardsales.com >>www.hayleysales.com >>www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >>On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: >> >>>At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> >>>>Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness of >>>>Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that he's >>>>using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his actual >>>>music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, >>>>based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I expected >>>>to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several >>>>years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion >>>>list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list itself >>>>is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary >>>>consideration in most cases. >>> >>>Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >>>Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >>>Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com >>>Web site: http://www.dgans.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by > style, age, and price. Try it! > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:05:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99B63BF04; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d901c71270$313e44b0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34FAC699-C485-4E9A-A237-895CC20701FF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: EWI looping clip posted Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:05:49 +0000 (UTC) I love it, Per...I think you should play that thing all of the time. Saves on reeds, right? The articulation is really nice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: EWI looping clip posted > http://www.looproom.com/audio/ewi_jam_nov2006.mp3 > If anyone should be interested... > > Musically: > Just jamming with myself into a long loop. No defined tempo, key or chord > structure. Only goofing around, reacting to sound and gestures, layering > whatever comes into my mind. > > Technically: > Using the EWI4000s to play samples lifted off the tape loops of the > original mellotrones MK2 and M300. Oh, there's one exception, the trumpet > sound which I picked from the Logic default sample library (and tweaked a > lot). The sound unit you hear is my Powerbook laptop recorded straight > from the stereo output. On the powerbook I used Logic and its sampler > EXS24, which by the way is an excellent sampler for EWI playing because > it lets you custom the sound patches to react, soundwise, to all MIDI > data sent out from the EWI when you are playing it. I reworked all the > mellotrone sample patches - and the trumpet patch - to fit my personal > playing style, which I guess is something you have to do to feel ok with > playing an EWI. The looper used was Expert Sleepers AU plug-in Augustus > Loop. The ticking sound noise you hear (that sounds a bit like a damaged > vinyl disk) is caused by a the Pluggo plug-in "SpeedShifter" (Cycling74). > I love the undertones SpeedShifter can add so I can live with those > artifacts. > > Because I can't find any other sampler, than the EXS24, to match the > sensitivity of the EWI I have been using the G4 Powerbook a lot for some > days now and I must say I'm amazed how efficient it is with Logic and the > Cycling74 plug-ins! When I bought Pluggo I was mainly using them on a > dual G5 and had a lot of issues. The good guys at Cyclinig74 tried to > help me out but they had a hard time since they didn't even have a G5 > machine to troubleshoot their software on. So for some years I have been > living with the false assumption that Cycling74 software is unstable and > risky to use. But in fact Cycling74 stuff rocks on a G4 powerbook that > should be "a slow laptop" compared to the new machines (so does Logic). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5CF63BF04; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XmQL2SUXn2SxbQDJy+idMCl8WXkco7ALNcUrpPYE9UEEZe01Yp2NpSjG4GZsaVVm; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32665160.1164665936696.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:18:56 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd483e9e058a297692a6c017cd02b097462a548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris-i resemble that remark :-) can i use that in my promo stuff? S T A N O S A U R ... a mind numbing, THC >induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could >take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. > >K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:28:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8C23BF00; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:27:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:28:49 +0000 (UTC) At 3:03 PM -0700 11/27/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Now, if we're talking the really good Phish improvs, that is a >different story....those guys know how to jam without it being a >mind numbing, THC induced, >drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could >take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Ain't that the truth. Much of what I hear in the "jam band" world is pretty dismal stuff. >What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away >from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful >guys doing it for large crowds... That is worth something. I am a songwriter first an foremost. I use my loop devices for both accompaniment and improvisation. I don't think everyone who uses loops has to spend their life at the bleeding edge of looping technology - it's okay for it to be a tool in service of their own muse. It's likely that my music isn't weird enough for some of you. I can live with that. But I feel that I'm making good use of the tools. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:30:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0263BEFB; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f18/alAvbK0xC7xBoaqiNrU4Lbt2W/Dl+zgnd6HXQkDvN6NzJD6D5AqQDayvOAYYsKEie1wZPrgUxXjrFU0AHudQBzBRl/Q75mJGHoJdPkicgLR9MG2jB7Daeqqmsme5ZSBPYfP8iBRKPXsP0tlgTVhxfVHrrOm8H1TD185w+R4= In-Reply-To: <03d901c71270$313e44b0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34FAC699-C485-4E9A-A237-895CC20701FF@gmail.com> <03d901c71270$313e44b0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80A92E25-BBF9-4054-8798-E940E79E7F9C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EWI looping clip posted Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:30:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:30:44 +0000 (UTC) On 27 nov 2006, at 23.05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love it, Per...I think you should play that thing all of the > time. Saves on reeds, right? The articulation is really nice. > > Kris Thank you Krispen. Yes, the EWI is as expressive as most acoustic wind instrument. And it saves some money on reeds. But only if you play it on AC, otherwise it will eat your wallet out in batteries ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EBC63BF17; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ed01c71273$b2aefd20$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <32665160.1164665936696.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:30:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <4wclt.A.NwH.fc2aFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely, man. If you become a millionaire, just send me a case of fine red wine and some Cuban cigars :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 > Hey Kris-i resemble that remark :-) > can i use that in my promo stuff? > > S T A N O S A U R > > ... a mind numbing, THC >>induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You >>could >>take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. > >>K- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 23:05:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903DD3BEFF; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03f001c71278$89c9fcc0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:05:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:05:34 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > >>What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from >>his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it >>for large crowds... > > That is worth something. True enough. If I had to make my living at music, I suppose that would be an option, provided you gave me enough vallium to make it thorugh each night.... > I am a songwriter first an foremost. I use my loop devices for both > accompaniment and improvisation. I don't think everyone who uses loops > has to spend their life at the bleeding edge of looping technology - it's > okay for it to be a tool in service of their own muse. > > It's likely that my music isn't weird enough for some of you. I can live > with that. But I feel that I'm making good use of the tools. that's cool. different strokes for different folks. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 23:38:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4ED3BF06; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--467590662 Message-Id: <268a0391ff43b0e743c6f07737dd1551@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:38:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:38:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--467590662 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 27-Nov-06, at 2:27 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 3:03 PM -0700 11/27/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Now, if we're talking the really good Phish improvs, that is a >> different story....those guys know how to jam without it being a mind >> numbing, THC induced, >> drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could >> take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. > > Ain't that the truth. Much of what I hear in the "jam band" world is > pretty dismal stuff. I don't know anything about jam bands other than the little bit of work I did for the Grateful Dead. I'm an old timer, so my favorite jam band would be John Coltrane and friends, maybe Miles Davis. But whenever there's a big audience like that, strikes me that if you have the skills, which most of you do, why not play for those folks? > >> What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away >> from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys >> doing it for large crowds... > > That is worth something. > > I am a songwriter first an foremost. I use my loop devices for both > accompaniment and improvisation. I don't think everyone who uses > loops has to spend their life at the bleeding edge of looping > technology - it's okay for it to be a tool in service of their own > muse. > > It's likely that my music isn't weird enough for some of you. I can > live with that. But I feel that I'm making good use of the tools. >> I'm losing the formatting so... Richard says: >> What counts is the music, David! I'm with you. My criteria for >> music is, "How long does it hold my attention?" I don't care if it's >> recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso. If it keeps >> me there then hallelujah! If not, it's on to the next. It's only >> music and the rest is for the 'academics'. So even though I've been >> doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a listener >> who happens to play & record music. For a living. The tool thing >> can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in the world >> of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out of. >> Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you >> afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives >> you know what it's all about. The rest is for pundits, professors >> and Consumer's Reports. peace :) Richard > > > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > --Apple-Mail-1--467590662 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 27-Nov-06, at 2:27 PM, David Gans wrote: At 3:03 PM -0700 11/27/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: Now, if we're talking the really good Phish improvs, that is a different story....those guys know how to jam without it being a mind numbing, THC induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Ain't that the truth. Much of what I hear in the "jam band" world is pretty dismal stuff. 6A2C,4A1A,13D9I don't know anything about jam bands other than the little bit of work I did for the Grateful Dead. I'm an old timer, so my favorite jam band would be John Coltrane and friends, maybe Miles Davis. But whenever there's a big audience like that, strikes me that if you have the skills, which most of you do, why not play for those folks? What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds... That is worth something. I am a songwriter first an foremost. I use my loop devices for both accompaniment and improvisation. I don't think everyone who uses loops has to spend their life at the bleeding edge of looping technology - it's okay for it to be a tool in service of their own muse. It's likely that my music isn't weird enough for some of you. I can live with that. But I feel that I'm making good use of the tools. I'm losing the formatting so... Richard says: 6A2A,48FB,1414What counts is the music, David! I'm with you. My criteria for music is, "How long does it hold my attention?" I don't care if it's recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso. If it keeps me there then hallelujah! If not, it's on to the next. It's only music and the rest is for the 'academics'. So even though I've been doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a listener who happens to play & record music. For a living. The tool thing can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in the world of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out of. 6A2C,47DE,144EOnce you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives you know what it's all about. The rest is for pundits, professors and Consumer's Reports. peace :) Richard -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --Apple-Mail-1--467590662-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 23:48:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E913BF10; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <268a0391ff43b0e743c6f07737dd1551@glasswing.com> References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <268a0391ff43b0e743c6f07737dd1551@glasswing.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:45:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1047451172==_ma============" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:48:48 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1047451172==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:38 PM -0800 11/27/06, Richard Sales wrote: >What counts is the music, David! I'm with you. My criteria for >music is, "How long does it hold my attention?" I don't care if >it's recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso. If it >keeps me there then hallelujah! If not, it's on to the next. It's >only music and the rest is for the 'academics'. So even though I've >been doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a >listener who happens to play & record music. For a living. The >tool thing can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in >the world of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out >of. >Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you >afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their >lives you know what it's all about. The rest is for pundits, >professors and Consumer's Reports. Hear, hear! I'm pretty satisfied with how my career is going. I enjoy having audience members step up to look at my feet to figure out how I'm making four guitars happen at once and all that, but I don't care how good you are with the toys and the hot licks - it all begins with a good song. Here's me and Joe Craven dong a loop jam: http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=1608337 Here's me and John Skehan of Raiload Earth doing a loop jam: http://dgans.com/audio/afterbird.mp3 Here's me using an RC-20 to accompany myself on a straightforward song ca;;ed "Ran Into God": http://dgans.com/audio/RanIntoGod_061112.mp3 Here's me jamming electric with Donna the Buffalo: http://dgans.com/audio/DTB-DG_061022.mp3 -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --============_-1047451172==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50
    At 3:38 PM -0800 11/27/06, Richard Sales wrote:
    What counts is the music, David!  I'm with you.  My criteria for music is, "How long does it hold my attention?"  I don't care if it's recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso.  If it keeps me there then hallelujah!  If not, it's on to the next.  It's only music and the rest is for the 'academics'.  So even though I've been doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a listener who happens to play & record music.  For a living.  The tool thing can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in the world of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out of.   

    Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives you know what it's all about.  The rest is for pundits, professors and Consumer's Reports.

    Hear, hear!

    I'm pretty satisfied with how my career is going.  I enjoy having audience members step up to look at my feet to figure out how I'm making four guitars happen at once and all that, but I don't care how good you are with the toys and the hot licks - it all begins with a good song.


    Here's me and Joe Craven dong a loop jam:

    http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=1608337


    Here's me and John Skehan of Raiload Earth doing a loop jam:

    http://dgans.com/audio/afterbird.mp3



    Here's me using an RC-20 to accompany myself on a straightforward song ca;;ed "Ran Into God":

    http://dgans.com/audio/RanIntoGod_061112.mp3


    Here's me jamming electric with Donna the Buffalo:

    http://dgans.com/audio/DTB-DG_061022.mp3





    --

    David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
    Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
    Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
    Web site: http://www.dgans.com
    --============_-1047451172==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 00:48:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1841A3BEFE; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.84.126.202] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:48:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2006 00:48:32.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDE390A0:01C71286] Resent-Message-ID: <9AmE1D.A.pyD.id4aFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:48:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm amazed someone else knows who Donna the Buffalo is .... good job. Zydeco needs to happen more often. They hail from near my hometown ... so I grew up watching them make it. Also ... I think there is good value in skill for the sake of skill, and style for he sake of style ... whatever balance we each can find is good with me. And some of those jam bands are damn good ..phish of course ... but string cheese incident is another one worth checking out .. they do a lot of classical and jazz covers ... not to mention a lot of bluegrass (which I friggin love). Keller does a nice looped version of take five .... wish I could find a link for that. But .. yeah ... he's cheesy as hell, no doubt about that. Don't know about the "any multi-instrumentalist in the world could do that ..." comment, but hey. sorry you couldn't get more people bent out of shape .. guess were all just to easy going (damn musicians). Peace, love and hippies ..... hahaha Aaron >From: David Gans >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:45:37 -0800 > >At 3:38 PM -0800 11/27/06, Richard Sales wrote: >>What counts is the music, David! I'm with you. My criteria for music is, >>"How long does it hold my attention?" I don't care if it's recorded on >>limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso. If it keeps me there then >>hallelujah! If not, it's on to the next. It's only music and the rest is >>for the 'academics'. So even though I've been doing music for a very long >>time, I still see myself as a listener who happens to play & record music. >> For a living. The tool thing can be a real trap - that equipment makers >>LOVE... and in the world of studios it can be a corn maze that you never >>get out of. > >>Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you afterward >>and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives you know what >>it's all about. The rest is for pundits, professors and Consumer's >>Reports. > >Hear, hear! > >I'm pretty satisfied with how my career is going. I enjoy having audience >members step up to look at my feet to figure out how I'm making four >guitars happen at once and all that, but I don't care how good you are with >the toys and the hot licks - it all begins with a good song. > > >Here's me and Joe Craven dong a loop jam: > >http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=1608337 > > >Here's me and John Skehan of Raiload Earth doing a loop jam: > >http://dgans.com/audio/afterbird.mp3 > > > >Here's me using an RC-20 to accompany myself on a straightforward song >ca;;ed "Ran Into God": > >http://dgans.com/audio/RanIntoGod_061112.mp3 > > >Here's me jamming electric with Donna the Buffalo: > >http://dgans.com/audio/DTB-DG_061022.mp3 > > > > > >-- > >David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com >Web site: http://www.dgans.com _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now. http://ideas.live.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 14:36:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892263BEEE; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <3bc209a373929a1f9d370c741113c0ee@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:35:23 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 11/28/2006 09:37:28 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: <1Er_eC.A.oxE.alEbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:36:10 +0000 (UTC) >>>Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. What's about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you besides David (Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for loopers. Ha ha- that was the first thing I thought- If nothing else, Keller makes a damn good living at doing something most of us only *spend* money on. ; ) I love jam bands, and my approach to looping is equally influenced by bands like Phish & the Disco Biscuits, electronic music (specifically Aphex Twin), and hip hop. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 14:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79003BEF4; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:37:46 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 11/28/2006 09:39:52 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:38:33 +0000 (UTC) >>>Anyway ... your right, the jam band scene has taken to looping pretty heavily now. There are a number of jam bands that use loop pedals. All the ones I see tend to use them in a more 'Trey-ish' asynchronous way though- just sort of background swirling textures to jams, which is cool. I'm interested in more song like use of looping personally, but I do love an off beat Ghost intro loop..... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 14:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1576F3BEFB; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <268a0391ff43b0e743c6f07737dd1551@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--412546016 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:55:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:55:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--412546016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good stuff David. Esp like the mandolin and guitar piece. I know a very good cello (and bass) player in the Marin (Fairfax) area=20= who's a good jammer & player in general. Name's Ken. He's very good. =20= (You might know him already... Ken and Theressa?!) I'll see if I can=20 find his email address and forward it to you if you're interested. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Nov-06, at 3:45 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 3:38 PM -0800 11/27/06, Richard Sales wrote: >> What counts is the music, David!=A0 I'm with you.=A0 My criteria for=20= >> music is, "How long does it hold my attention?"=A0 I don't care if = it's=20 >> recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso.=A0 If it = keeps=20 >> me there then hallelujah!=A0 If not, it's on to the next.=A0 It's = only=20 >> music and the rest is for the 'academics'.=A0 So even though I've = been=20 >> doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a listener=20 >> who happens to play & record music.=A0 For a living.=A0 The tool = thing=20 >> can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in the world=20= >> of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out of.=A0=A0=A0 >> Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you=20 >> afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives=20= >> you know what it's all about.=A0 The rest is for pundits, professors=20= >> and Consumer's Reports. > Hear, hear! > > I'm pretty satisfied with how my career is going.=A0 I enjoy having=20 > audience members step up to look at my feet to figure out how I'm=20 > making four guitars happen at once and all that, but I don't care how=20= > good you are with the toys and the hot licks - it all begins with a=20 > good song. > > > Here's me and Joe Craven dong a loop jam: > > http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=3D1608337 > > > Here's me and John Skehan of Raiload Earth doing a loop jam: > > http://dgans.com/audio/afterbird.mp3 > > > > Here's me using an RC-20 to accompany myself on a straightforward song=20= > ca;;ed "Ran Into God": > > http://dgans.com/audio/RanIntoGod_061112.mp3 > > > Here's me jamming electric with Donna the Buffalo: > > http://dgans.com/audio/DTB-DG_061022.mp3 > > > > > > --=20 > > > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog:=A0 http://logblog.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com --Apple-Mail-2--412546016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good stuff David. Esp like the mandolin and guitar piece.=20 I know a very good cello (and bass) player in the Marin (Fairfax) area who's a good jammer & player in general. Name's Ken. He's very good.=20= (You might know him already... Ken and Theressa?!) I'll see if I can find his email address and forward it to you if you're interested. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Nov-06, at 3:45 PM, David Gans wrote: At 3:38 PM -0800 11/27/06, Richard Sales wrote: 6A6A,4848,1414What counts is the music, David!=A0 I'm with you.=A0 My criteria for music is, "How long does it hold my attention?"=A0 I don't care if it's recorded on limestone and looped with WIll Rogers lasso.=A0 If it keeps me there then hallelujah!=A0= If not, it's on to the next.=A0 It's only music and the rest is for the 'academics'.=A0 So even though I've been doing music for a very long time, I still see myself as a listener who happens to play & record music.=A0 For a living.=A0 The tool thing can be a real trap - that equipment makers LOVE... and in the world of studios it can be a corn maze that you never get out of.=A0=A0=A0 6A6A,4747,1414Once you hear an audience go wild and have folks come up to you afterward and tell you how much meaning you've brought to their lives you know what it's all about.=A0 The rest is for pundits, professors and Consumer's Reports. Hear, hear! I'm pretty satisfied with how my career is going.=A0 I enjoy having audience members step up to look at my feet to figure out how I'm making four guitars happen at once and all that, but I don't care how good you are with the toys and the hot licks - it all begins with a good song. Here's me and Joe Craven dong a loop jam: http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=3D1608337 Here's me and John Skehan of Raiload Earth doing a loop jam: http://dgans.com/audio/afterbird.mp3 Here's me using an RC-20 to accompany myself on a straightforward song ca;;ed "Ran Into God": http://dgans.com/audio/RanIntoGod_061112.mp3 Here's me jamming electric with Donna the Buffalo: http://dgans.com/audio/DTB-DG_061022.mp3 --=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog:=A0 http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com = --Apple-Mail-2--412546016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 391DE3BEEE; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:17:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: new vid on youtube Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <456C6136.21882.1C695E6@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Sending for the 2nd time - I was bounced earlier - fingers crossed. Add a vid to my website of a gig with Canadian duo Outward Sound Ensemble at a church in Leeds. You won't hear much guitar, since I'm adding atmospherics and Chris Meloche is playing one of my standbys through means of a circular saw blade a and a mallet ;) http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm There's also a track from a forthcoming collaborative project with Bernhard Wagner - I'd like to have this released in "hard" format - sleeve etc, if anyone has any bright ideas about possible distributors, let me know! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C6B3BF00; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <268a0391ff43b0e743c6f07737dd1551@glasswing.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:23:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:37:26 +0000 (UTC) At 6:55 AM -0800 11/28/06, Richard Sales wrote: >Good stuff David. Esp like the mandolin and guitar piece. Thanks. John Skehan has the big ears, and we did several really satisfying loop improvs together that night. >I know a very good cello (and bass) player in the Marin (Fairfax) >area who's a good jammer & player in general. Name's Ken. He's >very good. (You might know him already... Ken and Theressa?!) I'll >see if I can find his email address and forward it to you if you're >interested. Please do! I find it pretty hard to use loops in a band context. It is fun to use the RC-20 once in a while to play a line and then harmonize with it, but it'll only go for a few bars. Music made by several humans at once tends not to stay locked in tight to the loop. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From service@eBay.com Tue Nov 28 18:06:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 839 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:05:59 UTC Received: from mail.itnetsupport.com (andiamo.gotadsl.co.uk [62.3.241.122]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7394F3BEDA for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([217.46.248.201]) by mail.itnetsupport.com (Merak 7.6.0) with ASMTP id Z4U46777; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:51:56 -0000 Reply-To: From: "eBay" Subject: Congratulations : Win the best car Viper SRT-10 offered by eBay.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:51:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20061128180558.7394F3BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 18:47:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA48C3BEEC; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IC+u9/xsOovMsTlzxbqiPr+JuoZDcdLkDe0NJeosFoZzu9ZqEjFxvNB84VbufIvaTWc1RFp/NKEn3mu5JNeZsJPgcl1rNvwjvhP0hj1MBoPtWh4farCsrnulitkQX2O9DTg3zhk+3kFicjpmemgEt7ldwPFrvVPTTGQ2Q1ceYtA= ; Message-ID: <20061128184712.89992.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: my last music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Really really nice. I hope by "last music" you mean the last music you made, not the last music you'll ever make. Mark --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Please listen to my last music. I play most > instruments, but not the drums. > Remi fagereng play the drums. > > http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 > > best regards > > Rune Fagereng, Norway > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 20:34:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC073BEEC; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: zBVCykhKzV+IuhsjU9Kuv4pQcY8CNqn++E01priPzLecJn6DMl6gfg== X-Originating-IP: [67.164.249.188] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "ryang@juno.com" Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:32:38 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Jamman as Analog/digital converter? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20061128.123320.3967.1556068@webmail05.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:847146927 X-MAIL-INFO:376dd4b454f4dd544030f489dd896451b1d045f12d507555f0d0b111358dfd5475 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.145|webmail05.lax.untd.com|webmail05.lax.untd.com|ryang@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:34:22 +0000 (UTC) i was wondering if anyone has figured out if it is possible to use the d= igitech jamman as an analog to digital converter, recording straight to the comp= uter through the = jamman. it seems like it should be possible, but i can't find any info o= n the subject. = can anyone help? thanks, -Ryan ________________________________________________________________________= Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 20:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2DF3BEDC; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: References: <20061128.123320.3967.1556068@webmail05.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20061128.123320.3967.1556068@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman as Analog/digital converter? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:43:50 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <010301c7132d$e9747cd0$bc5d7670$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AccTLJahv2uPcrFeS4uI20F/kUwxKQAAPugg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:44:12 +0000 (UTC) The JamMan does its own thing, only connecting to the PC as an external disk drive. There is no facility that I know of for controlling the JamMan from the PC, or vice-versa (hence no streaming). Steve Mark LooperToolsT www.LooperTools.com > -----Original Message----- > From: ryang@juno.com [mailto:ryang@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Digitech Jamman as Analog/digital converter? > > i was wondering if anyone has figured out if it is possible to use the > digitech > jamman as an analog to digital converter, recording straight to the > computer through the > jamman. it seems like it should be possible, but i can't find any info > on the subject. > can anyone help? > thanks, > -Ryan > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! 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Yours truly, Mrs.Roseline Donald, (Lottery Coordinator) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 06:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA7A3BEC2; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:18:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:19:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess, but I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out of shape! :) I guess I'll bite for a short moment. . . So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the point? It would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile away-so while it might sound similar: competently played, no offensive mistakes, even some fake passion-there would probably still be something missing. When music is distilled down to it's mechanical nuts-and-bolts, it's easy to think you might be able to quantify and decode an event-I find it hard to believe that maybe you've never witnessed a magical moment where "simple" music, played by an "ordinary" player, (maybe even with a few clams thrown in) moved an entire roomful of people. For a creative guy, you're sounding somewhat intolerant. I'd just like to suggest that intent and context might be important aspects of a performance and those admiring audients appreciate something the performer provides; to quantify them as stoned simpletons only highlights your own prejudice. Oh ja . . . there's my boring 2 cents. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 09:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9BA3BECA; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: kaMTUqxM5w0U0iblXsOOdkJsTsBuLHJjnHD866mCPOk= X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:04:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Miko I agree 200 % Krispen Keller W. is not here for the hugest plug in farm, the most creative 7/8 meter. he is not a shooe or gear gazer, he looks at people and in the eyes and brings them pleasure. he may be much more creative in his own style than you are in yours but without reevaluating your ego you may never know Claude >> From: "Krispen Hartung" >> Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The > final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except > the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the > looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess, but I'd wager > that > any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could > pull > a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions > of > the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible > unique > factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only > successful > guys doing it for large crowds...this says nothing of the music, by the > way, > just marketing, time, and energy to create a niche. I'm sure it works for > him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope > this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out of shape! > :) > > I guess I'll bite for a short moment. . . > > So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the point? > It > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile away-so while > it might sound similar: competently played, no offensive mistakes, even > some > fake passion-there would probably still be something missing. > > When music is distilled down to it's mechanical nuts-and-bolts, it's easy > to > think you might be able to quantify and decode an event-I find it hard to > believe that maybe you've never witnessed a magical moment where "simple" > music, played by an "ordinary" player, (maybe even with a few clams thrown > in) moved an entire roomful of people. For a creative guy, you're > sounding > somewhat intolerant. > > I'd just like to suggest that intent and context might be important > aspects > of a performance and those admiring audients appreciate something the > performer provides; to quantify them as stoned simpletons only highlights > your own prejudice. > > Oh ja . . . there's my boring 2 cents. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:00:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5B0B3BECF; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020e01c713c7$24a41060$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <34FAC699-C485-4E9A-A237-895CC20701FF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: EWI looping clip posted Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:00:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 15:00:47.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[26E3EE40:01C713C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Very expressive ! I like it very much, Per. Ewi sound is very interesting !. fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: EWI looping clip posted > http://www.looproom.com/audio/ewi_jam_nov2006.mp3 > If anyone should be interested... > > Musically: > Just jamming with myself into a long loop. No defined tempo, key or > chord structure. Only goofing around, reacting to sound and gestures, > layering whatever comes into my mind. > > Technically: > Using the EWI4000s to play samples lifted off the tape loops of the > original mellotrones MK2 and M300. Oh, there's one exception, the > trumpet sound which I picked from the Logic default sample library > (and tweaked a lot). The sound unit you hear is my Powerbook laptop > recorded straight from the stereo output. On the powerbook I used > Logic and its sampler EXS24, which by the way is an excellent sampler > for EWI playing because it lets you custom the sound patches to > react, soundwise, to all MIDI data sent out from the EWI when you are > playing it. I reworked all the mellotrone sample patches - and the > trumpet patch - to fit my personal playing style, which I guess is > something you have to do to feel ok with playing an EWI. The looper > used was Expert Sleepers AU plug-in Augustus Loop. The ticking sound > noise you hear (that sounds a bit like a damaged vinyl disk) is > caused by a the Pluggo plug-in "SpeedShifter" (Cycling74). I love the > undertones SpeedShifter can add so I can live with those artifacts. > > Because I can't find any other sampler, than the EXS24, to match the > sensitivity of the EWI I have been using the G4 Powerbook a lot for > some days now and I must say I'm amazed how efficient it is with > Logic and the Cycling74 plug-ins! When I bought Pluggo I was mainly > using them on a dual G5 and had a lot of issues. The good guys at > Cyclinig74 tried to help me out but they had a hard time since they > didn't even have a G5 machine to troubleshoot their software on. So > for some years I have been living with the false assumption that > Cycling74 software is unstable and risky to use. But in fact > Cycling74 stuff rocks on a G4 powerbook that should be "a slow > laptop" compared to the new machines (so does Logic). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5BA3BEDA; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> Subject: OT: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:22:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I admit this is getting a bit off topic now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" > > So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the point? > It > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile away-so while Do you think this is a true statement? Hmmmm. I guess I'm skeptical. Given how well marketing, even the most blatant and superficial, works with the masses, I've always been inclined to think that the "herd" falls for just about anything if it is pitched right. How many pop stars can you think of that are completely contrived in their show and act, but the crowd just eats them up. The herd loves in insincere. Since when was honesty in the entertainment business a plus for the hoi polloi? This is why people looooove Vegas so much...it's pure cheese and superficially. Now maybe Keller has a unique following of special people who managed to weed out the herd instinct, but that would be surprising. I would take the newer dead or phish head scene (even with the neo-hippie punks who drive to concerns in their parents BMWs, but haven't showered for weeks and are wearing dirty, filthy dreds) as an example of a crowd that flocks to the contrived, but that would be a thread on its own. :) Again, this does not reflect negatively on Keller. I think he knows what he is doing. All people with a good business mind and an understanding of the mass mentality do know what they are doing. The herd is a massive potential of untapped financial potential. And if I was comfortable with playing mediocre music and dancing around like a white-boy clown, I'd be doing the same thing! Heh heh....sorry, I haven't had my coffee and I'm sleep deprived from staying up with a sick kids... > it might sound similar: competently played, no offensive mistakes, even > some > fake passion-there would probably still be something missing. Fake passion, real passion, purple passion, purple people eater passion....the entertainment industry could care less. Like I said, sometimes playing the "I'm sincere" card backfires, because people flock to insincerity. It adds touch of mystery and inaccessibility to the artist that keeps fans guessing and hoping. Good entertainers are often good actors as well, so it is difficult to tell whether what they are doing is a real reflection of their selves and personal life story. > When music is distilled down to it's mechanical nuts-and-bolts, it's easy > to > think you might be able to quantify and decode an event-I find it hard to > believe that maybe you've never witnessed a magical moment where "simple" > music, played by an "ordinary" player, (maybe even with a few clams thrown > in) moved an entire roomful of people. For a creative guy, you're > sounding > somewhat intolerant. It's not intolerance...it's sincerity. Couldn't you tell that I was playing a role of the devil's advocate? Partly, and partly not...that's for you to figure out, I guess...but you sort of validate my point above. With little effort on this list, I "could" write response after response and no one will ever know whether I actually believe what I'm writing or not...this can be the case for anyone, and even music performance....looping or not. I can take on any persona I choose, and in the end only my closest friends and musical colleagues understand my motives and thinking processes. But, seriously, yes, I have experienced many magical moments from utterly simple pieces of performances. I don't see your point, though. I was intentionally marginalizing his performance with the observation that what he does is not particular difficult to do or that original and creative, and magical moments don't negate that fact. But it does stand true that he is successful at what he is doing. I'm just not going to put him on another type of pedestal when his act doesn't warrant it. From entertainment value, yes, he's a winner...from a creative music, artistic value...he's lost the race, in my opinion. I wasn't at Keller's concert, the one in the video), but it certainly doesn't sound like one that would give me any of those magical moments (it's all subjective). But I admit, it is hard to tell what can happen at a live event. One can't always control his/her own emotions. Who knows, maybe I could become a Keller fan! I could learn to love Vegas afterall. > > I'd just like to suggest that intent and context might be important > aspects > of a performance and those admiring audients appreciate something the > performer provides; to quantify them as stoned simpletons only highlights > your own prejudice. > Oh ja . . . there's my boring 2 cents. Well, it's more than 2 cents. I've managed to write all this criticism of a performer, fully admitting it is my own perspective, without personal attack - suggesting someone is intolerant or prejudice. That is one skill in the art of debate, being able to argue a point without committing the fallacy of Argumentum ad Hominem. We are exchanging ideas here (true or not, probable or improbable), which is a 2000 year old tradition that has proven success without personal attack. The beauty of respective discourse is the ability to stay at the level of ideas, and not involve the character or alleged character of the person, which has no bearing on the facts. No respect take, however. I'm used to it given my academic background. ....now back to looping. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 973AC3BEFC; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:36:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:36:37 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "CV" > > Thank you Miko > I agree 200 % > Krispen > Keller W. is not here for the hugest plug in farm, the most creative 7/8 > meter. he is not a shooe or gear gazer, he looks at people and in the > eyes > and brings them pleasure. > he may be much more creative in his own style than you are in yours but > without reevaluating your ego you may never know > > Claude You guys are so hypersensitive! Good grief. I agree with your points, partly because I think they are obvious and don't require debate. I'm not going to debate that any popular rock/pop artist isn't successful based on one set of criteria. I'm not fucking stupid, but what I don't see here is folks continuously affirming the obvious rather than trying to understand that there is another story to be told, from a different set of criteria. >From the outset of my first comments on Keller, I stated things that affirm everything you and Mike say above. Yet, not once am I hearing anyone compromise and admit that there is another perspective. What I see, instead, is Argumentum ad Hominems in place of compromise (and I think any sort of direct personal attacks in this sort of forum are disgusting and uncalled for). So, I'll fully state again for the record: Keller is successful at what he does and given his audience. BUT, what he's doing, historically, is not that creative or inspiring to me artistically or from a looping perspective (the topic of this discussion forum). If folks have a problem admitting that there are two sides to the story, then I'd question who really is intolerant, prejudice, or not evaluating their egos. I'm not seeing a lot of acceptance of multiple ideas here, but continuous focus on a single perspective. I'd make my point and admitted both sides. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6ED23BF0E; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CNvLR0B2bKYOa4j9CdqjfIJC4J7tSxD0Vc4//4yRyqtaujUyWrtfZCQju6rlXrLJaHPY/7IJSyanE9jd9uGdOh5IlEWQECNdjeEPOibfnWwdkp0xZ0TFwUROO/rgP/A5QvxP0PizTPhAfGt2ADLJOIkH+CrQxSpfywGNU6wtiI4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: my last music Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:46:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:46:34 +0000 (UTC) On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: > Please listen to my last music. I play most > instruments, but not the drums. > Remi fagereng play the drums. > > http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 Hi Rune, That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for posting a clip ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0893BF20; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=awgBmRYnqxkTgVHJyjo5+D8VgcHc4mq/5bq9w86J7JIo0W4xoY8CG1TE3OpkWoqltWZBYpRPKSUF2CFNXRvl9ooWbwg3eYSlr52vSzsDqKERsnY3OhiJPlJ73nFT1ps3sj9uV6NjqMXm5iKuyrHG5Vt4H4pRS6wWzs25iGKZ19M= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:49:39 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 In-Reply-To: <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36664_6336560.1164815379266" References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:49:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36664_6336560.1164815379266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The mainstream pop audience looks at experimental music and says "The emperor has no clothes...my five year old could do this, this stuff is crap". Imagine trying to explain that, say, Derek Bailey is one of the most important musicians of the last fifty years to someone just by playing one of his albums, without the twenty pounds of glowing "Wire" mentions he accumulated every year. That's marketing too. The avant garde audience looks at the mainstream pop success (or even cult favorite Keller Williams) and says "The emperor has no clothes...anyone could do this, this stuff is crap". Both sides are missing out on something valuable from the other side of the fence. But to me, if I look at a cooking Keller Williams show, I see a performer and an audience who are experiencing a joy at the event which greatly exceeds the joy factor of any Derek Bailey show I could imagine. If the combination of "joy" and "music" are important to you in assessing musical events, then KW wins out. If there's something more important than "joy", then he may not rate so highly. For me, there is no "wrong sort" of joy generated by a musical experience--the purpose of the musical event is to use whatever tricks and techniques the performer has available to transport him or her and as much of the audience as possible into a glimpse of the divine. That is my standard for a successful musical performance--not whether I played anything new or challenging (while not excluding those possibilities either). TravisH On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Okay, I admit this is getting a bit off topic now.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" > > > > So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the point? > > It > > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile away-so > while > > Do you think this is a true statement? Hmmmm. I guess I'm skeptical. > Given > how well marketing, even the most blatant and superficial, works with the > masses, I've always been inclined to think that the "herd" falls for just > about anything if it is pitched right. How many pop stars can you think of > that are completely contrived in their show and act, but the crowd just > eats > them up. The herd loves in insincere. Since when was honesty in the > entertainment business a plus for the hoi polloi? This is why people > looooove Vegas so much...it's pure cheese and superficially. Now maybe > Keller has a unique following of special people who managed to weed out > the > herd instinct, but that would be surprising. I would take the newer dead > or > phish head scene (even with the neo-hippie punks who drive to concerns in > their parents BMWs, but haven't showered for weeks and are wearing dirty, > filthy dreds) as an example of a crowd that flocks to the contrived, but > that would be a thread on its own. :) Again, this does not reflect > negatively on Keller. I think he knows what he is doing. All people with a > good business mind and an understanding of the mass mentality do know what > they are doing. The herd is a massive potential of untapped financial > potential. And if I was comfortable with playing mediocre music and > dancing > around like a white-boy clown, I'd be doing the same thing! Heh > heh....sorry, I haven't had my coffee and I'm sleep deprived from staying > up > with a sick kids... > > ------=_Part_36664_6336560.1164815379266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The mainstream pop audience looks at experimental music and says "The emperor has no clothes...my five year old could do this, this stuff is crap".  Imagine trying to explain that, say,  Derek Bailey is one of the most important musicians of the last fifty years to someone just by playing one of his albums, without the twenty pounds of glowing "Wire" mentions he accumulated every year.  That's marketing too.

    The avant garde audience looks at the mainstream pop success (or even cult favorite Keller Williams) and says "The emperor has no clothes...anyone could do this, this stuff is crap". 

    Both sides are missing out on something valuable from the other side of the fence.

    But to me, if I look at a cooking Keller Williams show, I see a performer and an audience who are experiencing a joy at the event which greatly exceeds the joy factor of any Derek Bailey show I could imagine.  If the combination of "joy" and "music" are important to you in assessing musical events, then KW wins out.  If there's something more important than "joy", then he may not rate so highly.

    For me, there is no "wrong sort" of joy generated by a musical experience--the purpose of the musical event is to use whatever tricks and techniques the performer has available to transport him or her and as much of the audience as possible into a glimpse of the divine.  That is my standard for a successful musical performance--not whether I played anything new or challenging (while not excluding those possibilities either).

    TravisH

    On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Okay, I admit this is getting a bit off topic now....

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Miko Biffle" <biffoz@arczip.com>
    >
    > So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the point?
    > It
    > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile away-so while

    Do you think this is a true statement? Hmmmm.  I guess I'm skeptical. Given
    how well marketing, even the most blatant and superficial, works with the
    masses, I've always been inclined to think that the "herd" falls for just
    about anything if it is pitched right. How many pop stars can you think of
    that are completely contrived in their show and act, but the crowd just eats
    them up. The herd loves in insincere. Since when was honesty in the
    entertainment business a plus for the hoi polloi? This is why people
    looooove Vegas so much...it's pure cheese and superficially. Now maybe
    Keller has a unique following of special people who managed to weed out the
    herd instinct, but  that would be surprising. I would take the newer dead or
    phish head scene (even with the neo-hippie punks who drive to concerns in
    their parents BMWs, but haven't showered for weeks and are wearing dirty,
    filthy dreds) as an example of a crowd that flocks to the contrived, but
    that would be a thread on its own. :)  Again, this does not reflect
    negatively on Keller. I think he knows what he is doing. All people with a
    good business mind and an understanding of the mass mentality do know what
    they are doing.  The herd is a massive potential of untapped financial
    potential. And if I was comfortable with playing mediocre music and dancing
    around like a white-boy clown, I'd be doing the same thing!  Heh
    heh....sorry, I haven't had my coffee and I'm sleep deprived from staying up
    with a sick kids...


    ------=_Part_36664_6336560.1164815379266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 15:51:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86A83BF2B; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <388752.29957.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--322800297 Message-Id: <977a2a8c9096100261c7dbb4633e0189@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: my last music Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:51:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:51:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--322800297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed yeah Rune... I liked it too! Nice tone, melodies etc. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 29-Nov-06, at 7:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Please listen to my last music. I play most >> instruments, but not the drums. >> Remi fagereng play the drums. >> >> http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 > > > Hi Rune, > > That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for posting a clip ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > --Apple-Mail-1--322800297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII yeah Rune... I liked it too! Nice tone, melodies etc. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 29-Nov-06, at 7:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: Please listen to my last music. I play most instruments, but not the drums. Remi fagereng play the drums. http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 Hi Rune, That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for posting a clip ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-1--322800297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743343BF14; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKs/bUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMbwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061129160410.01c017e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:10:25 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 In-Reply-To: <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:10:43 +0000 (UTC) >>he may be much more creative in his own style than you are in yours but >>without reevaluating your ego you may never know >> >>Claude > >You guys are so hypersensitive! Good grief. -Kris Kris also said:- > I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending > people out of shape! :) Aw, c'mon Kris, I'm sure Claude had a twinkle in his eye when he said that. ..and I rather opine that you asked for it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48AC43BF1F; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [162.83.111.14] X-Originating-Email: [ladybassmusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladybassmusic@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Brittany Frompovich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my last music Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:15:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 16:15:32.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[97F64420:01C713D1] Resent-Message-ID: <5jNwN.A.rZB.lIbbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rune, I like it...very moody. Nice job! Brittany Frompovich www.ladybassmusic.com myspace.com/ladybassmusic > >On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: > >>Please listen to my last music. I play most >>instruments, but not the drums. >>Remi fagereng play the drums. >> >>http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 > > >Hi Rune, > >That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for posting a clip ;-)) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:19:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D30E3BF43; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <456DB2F7.1000507@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:19:03 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my last music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0651-2, 11/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, great guitar sound! What were you playing through? --Josh Brittany Frompovich wrote: > > Hey Rune, > > I like it...very moody. Nice job! > > > Brittany Frompovich > www.ladybassmusic.com > myspace.com/ladybassmusic > > >> >> On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: >> >>> Please listen to my last music. I play most >>> instruments, but not the drums. >>> Remi fagereng play the drums. >>> >>> http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 >> >> >> Hi Rune, >> >> That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for posting a clip ;-)) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. 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h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RFSkyExx9nZ577DE38I8dyNtyVTODVHJ2M4tjpc8g+JoIidmyWOZ3ug8Sn2/17bXSa0Edep6iLYIhhKJ1taEEQajRa4c21HH4KGqAJfVZDp87PgHSPTFIwZn36hx36oDjZjuGMFB9EwXAMHL3crwyeJvBPm78bmDG96xXl44hew=; X-YMail-OSG: lBQbXsgVM1kW_j60njC3c2YFqKocjy4eboUI2rM2M6pIBY8f3LzSdSTA4MyQZmUDA1R6yP4c1NQ9wrrB2D1U5YCo.msqgt5s1Diox2wtvQB3BfeDfMyJ507l0uyXBoLgQjd35MTO0Q9s Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:34:09 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: re last music- nice that someone listens- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <456DB2F7.1000507@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <586230.67533.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi and thanks ! I am playing with; strat, rat dist, tc. 2290 digital delay, mesa. I have a repeater in the mesa fx-chain. Lead sound are the rat with a little echo. I uses ableton live 6, with frozen reverb preset (thank you Mr Boysen for the tip). Macbook pro with Moto travler, and ozon midikeyboard. The soundscapes on the tune are made with live 6 sampler, and are reversed and pitched guitarchords. Using lives sampler are new to me, but very interesting. Its nice that somebody takes the time to listen to the things I make in my homestudio, the "blue room". http://www.runefagereng.com/sound.htm Thank you ! best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway --- Joshua Carroll skrev: > Yeah, great guitar sound! What were you playing > through? > > --Josh > > Brittany Frompovich wrote: > > > > Hey Rune, > > > > I like it...very moody. Nice job! > > > > > > Brittany Frompovich > > www.ladybassmusic.com > > myspace.com/ladybassmusic > > > > > >> > >> On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: > >> > >>> Please listen to my last music. I play most > >>> instruments, but not the drums. > >>> Remi fagereng play the drums. > >>> > >>> http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 > >> > >> > >> Hi Rune, > >> > >> That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks > for posting a clip ;-)) > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >> > >> > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. > Get a free 90-day > > trial! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28053BF01; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051201c713d5$82edc1d0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_050D_01C7139A.D55BC100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:43:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_050D_01C7139A.D55BC100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a fair assessment, Travis. You reinforce both sides of the fence. = That there are, and they are based on relative / varying criteria is the = key. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: OT: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 The mainstream pop audience looks at experimental music and says "The = emperor has no clothes...my five year old could do this, this stuff is = crap". Imagine trying to explain that, say, Derek Bailey is one of the = most important musicians of the last fifty years to someone just by = playing one of his albums, without the twenty pounds of glowing "Wire" = mentions he accumulated every year. That's marketing too.=20 The avant garde audience looks at the mainstream pop success (or even = cult favorite Keller Williams) and says "The emperor has no = clothes...anyone could do this, this stuff is crap". =20 Both sides are missing out on something valuable from the other side = of the fence.=20 But to me, if I look at a cooking Keller Williams show, I see a = performer and an audience who are experiencing a joy at the event which = greatly exceeds the joy factor of any Derek Bailey show I could imagine. = If the combination of "joy" and "music" are important to you in = assessing musical events, then KW wins out. If there's something more = important than "joy", then he may not rate so highly.=20 For me, there is no "wrong sort" of joy generated by a musical = experience--the purpose of the musical event is to use whatever tricks = and techniques the performer has available to transport him or her and = as much of the audience as possible into a glimpse of the divine. That = is my standard for a successful musical performance--not whether I = played anything new or challenging (while not excluding those = possibilities either).=20 TravisH On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: Okay, I admit this is getting a bit off topic now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" > > So yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the = point?=20 > It > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell that a mile = away-so while Do you think this is a true statement? Hmmmm. I guess I'm = skeptical. Given how well marketing, even the most blatant and superficial, works = with the=20 masses, I've always been inclined to think that the "herd" falls for = just about anything if it is pitched right. How many pop stars can you = think of that are completely contrived in their show and act, but the crowd = just eats=20 them up. The herd loves in insincere. Since when was honesty in the entertainment business a plus for the hoi polloi? This is why people looooove Vegas so much...it's pure cheese and superficially. Now = maybe Keller has a unique following of special people who managed to weed = out the herd instinct, but that would be surprising. I would take the newer = dead or phish head scene (even with the neo-hippie punks who drive to = concerns in=20 their parents BMWs, but haven't showered for weeks and are wearing = dirty, filthy dreds) as an example of a crowd that flocks to the contrived, = but that would be a thread on its own. :) Again, this does not reflect=20 negatively on Keller. I think he knows what he is doing. All people = with a good business mind and an understanding of the mass mentality do = know what they are doing. The herd is a massive potential of untapped = financial=20 potential. And if I was comfortable with playing mediocre music and = dancing around like a white-boy clown, I'd be doing the same thing! Heh heh....sorry, I haven't had my coffee and I'm sleep deprived from = staying up=20 with a sick kids... ------=_NextPart_000_050D_01C7139A.D55BC100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    That's a fair assessment, Travis. You = reinforce=20 both sides of the fence. That there are, and they are based on relative = /=20 varying criteria is the key.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Travis Hartnett
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, November 29, = 2006 8:49=20 AM
    Subject: Re: OT: Keller = Williams / jam=20 bands/ rc50

    The mainstream pop audience looks at experimental music = and=20 says "The emperor has no clothes...my five year old could do this, = this stuff=20 is crap".  Imagine trying to explain that, say,  Derek = Bailey is one=20 of the most important musicians of the last fifty years to someone = just by=20 playing one of his albums, without the twenty pounds of glowing "Wire" = mentions he accumulated every year.  That's marketing too. =

    The=20 avant garde audience looks at the mainstream pop success (or even cult = favorite Keller Williams) and says "The emperor has no = clothes...anyone could=20 do this, this stuff is crap". 

    Both sides are missing out = on=20 something valuable from the other side of the fence.

    But to = me, if I=20 look at a cooking Keller Williams show, I see a performer and an = audience who=20 are experiencing a joy at the event which greatly exceeds the joy = factor of=20 any Derek Bailey show I could imagine.  If the combination of = "joy" and=20 "music" are important to you in assessing musical events, then KW wins = out.  If there's something more important than "joy", then he may = not=20 rate so highly.

    For me, there is no "wrong sort" of joy = generated by a=20 musical experience--the purpose of the musical event is to use = whatever tricks=20 and techniques the performer has available to transport him or her and = as much=20 of the audience as possible into a glimpse of the divine.  That = is my=20 standard for a successful musical performance--not whether I played = anything=20 new or challenging (while not excluding those possibilities either).=20

    TravisH

    On 11/29/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    Okay,=20 I admit this is getting a bit off topic now....

    ----- = Original=20 Message -----
    From: "Miko Biffle" <biffoz@arczip.com>
    >
    &g= t; So=20 yeah, maybe thousands could pull it off, but what would be the = point?=20
    > It
    > would be insincere, and most audiences can smell = that a=20 mile away-so while

    Do you think this is a true statement?=20 Hmmmm.  I guess I'm skeptical. Given
    how well = marketing, even=20 the most blatant and superficial, works with the
    masses, I've = always=20 been inclined to think that the "herd" falls for just
    about = anything if=20 it is pitched right. How many pop stars can you think of
    that are = completely contrived in their show and act, but the crowd just eats =
    them=20 up. The herd loves in insincere. Since when was honesty in=20 the
    entertainment business a plus for the hoi polloi? This is why = people
    looooove Vegas so much...it's pure cheese and = superficially. Now=20 maybe
    Keller has a unique following of special people who managed = to weed=20 out the
    herd instinct, but  that would be surprising. I = would=20 take the newer dead or
    phish head scene (even with the neo-hippie = punks=20 who drive to concerns in
    their parents BMWs, but haven't = showered for=20 weeks and are wearing dirty,
    filthy dreds) as an example of a = crowd that=20 flocks to the contrived, but
    that would be a thread on its own.=20 :)  Again, this does not reflect
    negatively on Keller. = I think=20 he knows what he is doing. All people with a
    good business mind = and an=20 understanding of the mass mentality do know what
    they are=20 doing.  The herd is a massive potential of untapped = financial=20
    potential. And if I was comfortable with playing mediocre music = and=20 dancing
    around like a white-boy clown, I'd be doing the same=20 thing!  Heh
    heh....sorry, I haven't had my coffee and = I'm sleep=20 deprived from staying up
    with a sick=20 kids...


    ------=_NextPart_000_050D_01C7139A.D55BC100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 253133BF13; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051c01c713d6$27622120$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20061129160410.01c017e0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:48:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0dpz9B.A.N_C.MnbbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) I hope he has that twinkle! :) Well, this is the disadvantage of email communication...we miss the other 75% of non-verbal communication, or whatever the percentage is. It's much easier to have this discussion over a nice pint so that we can see each other smiling, or grinding his/her teeth...whatever happens as result of the offending, delightful, or uninteresting commentary. But I guarantee that if someone is talking to me face to face and we are smiling and conversing freely, they won't so readily jump to ad hominems. K- > >> I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out >> of shape! :) > > Aw, c'mon Kris, I'm sure Claude had a twinkle in his eye when he said > that. > ..and I rather opine that you asked for it. > > > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:48:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8D143BF49; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053101c713d6$34b95a00$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <456DB532.000001.01748@MIXER> Subject: Re: Project Management Loops Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:48:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-4761-1164818915-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0bL14D.A.vHD.jnbbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-4761-1164818915-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-4761-1164818915-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-4761-1164818915-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sony Felberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Project Management Loops Hi, About a year ago someone posted links to tracks with Project = Management Training voice tracks layers within. Does anyone recall who = posted these track or where I can find them? I think it was someone from Europe.=20 TX, Sony =20 =20 =20 --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-4761-1164818915-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Per.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Sony=20 Felberg
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, November 29, = 2006 9:28=20 AM
    Subject: Project Management = Loops

     Hi,
     About a year ago someone posted links to tracks = with=20 Project Management Training voice tracks layers within. Does = anyone=20 recall who posted these track or where I can find them?
     
    I think it was someone from Europe.
     
    TX,
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Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:49:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: Keller Williams / jam bands/ RT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:49:40 +0000 (UTC) At 7:49 AM -0800 11/29/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >Both sides are missing out on something valuable from the other side >of the fence. > >But to me, if I look at a cooking Keller Williams show, I see a >performer and an audience who are experiencing a joy at the event >which greatly exceeds the joy factor of any Derek Bailey show I >could imagine. If the combination of "joy" and "music" are >important to you in assessing musical events, then KW wins out. If >there's something more important than "joy", then he may not rate so >highly. > >For me, there is no "wrong sort" of joy generated by a musical >experience--the purpose of the musical event is to use whatever >tricks and techniques the performer has available to transport him >or her and as much of the audience as possible into a glimpse of the >divine. That is my standard for a successful musical >performance--not whether I played anything new or challenging (while >not excluding those possibilities either). Well said, Travis. Last night I saw Richard Thompson play a solo show that satisfied as deeply as any performance I've witnessed in years. I could have say there for hours. Just RT and his guitar and a stomp box or two. Every song a gem, and every one worked on numerous levels: you can just listen to the story he's telling, feel the emotions in the drama he's revealing; or you can note that every one of his songs has something unique and new in it, some musical problem that he solves ingeniously. There is a depth of feeling in RT's performance that I've never seen Keller Williams, or Phish, (etc.) come anywhere near to. The man is a true genius, and what he has done is something we all should aspire to: he has become someone in particular. He's created a musical persona and a body of work that appeal to a modest but devoted following, and he delivers the goods to that audience with genuine passion and power. Keller is someone in particular, too. Not as fiercely passionate as RT by any means, but he has created a persona and a style of music that very obviously works for him and for his audience. He'll never make you cry onstage, but he's delivering the goods and keeping his customers satisfied. I've come to the conclusion that the "herd" problem is a problem for every artist. You begin by making the music you really want to make, or need to make; you attract an audience of people who get what you're doing and, if you're lucky, evangelize you to their friends and community. More people come to hear you play, and your audience grows. Eventually you will start drawing some people who don't really understand what you're doing, but they're there because their friends are into you or because they think it's cool to be seen at your show. And the bigger you get, the greater the percentage of fans you'll have who aren't on the same page with you creatively. You'll feel some pressure to play the familiar stuff and you'll chafe because you'd rather do the new music. You'd better hope that happens, because anyone whose audience consists entirely of people who are right beside you on on your creative journey is playing for a very small audience and probably won't be quitting his day job any time soon. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 17:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616623BF19; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <456DC306.8050006@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:27:34 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re last music- nice that someone listens- References: <586230.67533.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <586230.67533.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050800090101090406060007" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0651-2, 11/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: <_5ARbC.A.svE.gMcbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:28:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050800090101090406060007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Awesome! I have a little RAT pedal that I use myself, and I love it! --Josh rune fagereng wrote: > Hi and thanks ! > > I am playing with; strat, rat dist, tc. 2290 digital > delay, mesa. I have a repeater in the mesa fx-chain. > Lead sound are the rat with a little echo. > I uses ableton live 6, with frozen reverb preset > (thank you Mr Boysen for the tip). Macbook pro with > Moto travler, and ozon midikeyboard. > The soundscapes on the tune are made with live 6 > sampler, and are reversed and pitched guitarchords. > Using lives sampler are new to me, but very > interesting. > > Its nice that somebody takes the time to listen to the > things I make in my homestudio, the "blue room". > > http://www.runefagereng.com/sound.htm > > Thank you ! > > best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway > > > --- Joshua Carroll skrev: > > >> Yeah, great guitar sound! What were you playing >> through? >> >> --Josh >> >> Brittany Frompovich wrote: >> >>> Hey Rune, >>> >>> I like it...very moody. Nice job! >>> >>> >>> Brittany Frompovich >>> www.ladybassmusic.com >>> myspace.com/ladybassmusic >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Please listen to my last music. I play most >>>>> instruments, but not the drums. >>>>> Remi fagereng play the drums. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 >>>>> >>>> Hi Rune, >>>> >>>> That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks >>>> >> for posting a clip ;-)) >> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>> All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. >>> >> Get a free 90-day >> >>> trial! >>> >>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------050800090101090406060007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome!  I have a little RAT pedal that I use myself, and I love it!

    --Josh

    rune fagereng wrote: 
    Hi and thanks !

I am playing with;  strat, rat dist, tc. 2290 digital
delay, mesa. I have a repeater in the mesa fx-chain.
Lead sound are the rat with a little echo.
I uses ableton live 6, with frozen reverb preset
(thank you Mr Boysen for the tip). Macbook pro with
Moto travler, and ozon midikeyboard.
The soundscapes on the tune are made with live 6
sampler, and are reversed and pitched guitarchords.
Using lives sampler are new to me, but very
interesting.

Its nice that somebody takes the time to listen to the
things I make in my homestudio, the "blue room". 

http://www.runefagereng.com/sound.htm

Thank you !

best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway  
    

--- Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> skrev:

  
    Yeah, great guitar sound!  What were you playing
through?

--Josh

Brittany Frompovich wrote:
    
    Hey Rune,

I like it...very moody.  Nice job!


Brittany Frompovich
www.ladybassmusic.com
myspace.com/ladybassmusic


      
    On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote:

        
    Please listen to my last music. I play most
instruments, but not the drums.
Remi fagereng play the drums.

http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3
          
    Hi Rune,

That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks
        
    for posting a clip ;-))
    
    Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom



        
          
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    --------------050800090101090406060007-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 17:56:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E9D3BF15; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DY0LSMWIT2FcX3OeApwRdWVndqNigcj+fL27Ov7sixkLJ4Q2P+WecrZSVgN6bIpPsZxcW+PNbSH9Ngc7/Ou6DztdMfQWFqkiJJ2DWq+P+qCgG7YeDkLNCd8BYKE7vtF+rkEDAUewEIrbEs1aQmgmHBqqrkoZlNwW01H4dkapwhk= In-Reply-To: <053101c713d6$34b95a00$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <456DB532.000001.01748@MIXER> <053101c713d6$34b95a00$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <363AAA57-65C8-4E54-8E8D-EA79B2F808D1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Project Management Loops Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:56:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:26 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sony Felberg > Hi, > About a year ago someone posted links to tracks with Project > Management Training voice tracks layers within. Does anyone recall > who posted these track or where I can find them? > > I think it was someone from Europe. > > TX, > Sony On 29 nov 2006, at 17.48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per. Oops, sorry - I didn't see that one. Yes, that was me. Here's the link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? id=45130133&s=143456 Greetings from Sweden Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 20:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9616B3BEF9; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.86] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061129154635.709283BF10@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pop v avant jambands etc. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:17:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 20:17:51.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[72250D40:01C713F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:17:53 +0000 (UTC) I think there's a false polarity in the distinction between popular and Art. Sure it's enacted everyday in the marketplace,but it;s not the only possibility.The Beatles and Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix,Some would perhaps put Radiohead,or Beck here, all had huge popular success and did things that were truly experimental.I am the Walrus was played on a.m. radio.All of 'em employed superficial gimmicks to get noticed,and delivered the goods once the were noticed The jamband scene is really ripe ,it's an audience that expects musicians to take chances and try to go somewhere unexpected,and they listen.If their ears can be a bit unsophisticated it need not be an obstacle,one needs only to provide them a way in.For instance by starting simple and developing in stages,employing infectious grooves ,etc.Paying attention to and working with the attention level of the audience is not necessarily pandering,it's performing. The challenge of engaging an audience that's willing to listen and is ready for you to take chances-What more do you want? I think the real trick is to tune into and feel the audiences' mood,attention,energy, vibe,and invent music that expresses that. It's not the audiences job to understand the artist,it's the other way around,at least in the art of performing. When I saw KW the audience's attention was really caught by him building all these tracks live right in front of them.Yes anyone who loops could do it,and get the attention of an audience.Show 'em something they haven't seen before and they'll pay attention,then you have the chance to take 'em somewhere.I think audiences want something familiar,so they feel connected,and something new that surprises ,and delights them,some energy to make them feel excited,and most of all to have their attention so engaged,that they forget their troubles for a minute,which makes them feel refreshed. These are compositional elements as much as pitches,patches,beats , measures etc.Colors on the pal _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 20:34:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6B73BEFB; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.236.152.193] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: pop v avant jambands etc. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:33:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 20:33:58.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[B270A330:01C713F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) well said. >From: "samba -" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: pop v avant jambands etc. >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:17:47 -0800 > > I think there's a false polarity in the distinction between popular and >Art. Sure it's enacted everyday in the marketplace,but it;s not the only >possibility.The Beatles and Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix,Some would perhaps >put Radiohead,or Beck here, all had huge popular success and did things >that were truly experimental.I am the Walrus was played on a.m. radio.All >of 'em employed superficial gimmicks to get noticed,and delivered the goods >once the were noticed The jamband scene is really ripe ,it's an audience >that expects musicians to take chances and try to go somewhere >unexpected,and they listen.If their ears can be a bit unsophisticated it >need not be an obstacle,one needs only to provide them a way in.For >instance by starting simple and developing in stages,employing infectious >grooves ,etc.Paying attention to and working with the attention level of >the audience is not necessarily pandering,it's performing. The challenge of >engaging an audience that's willing to listen and is ready for you to take >chances-What more do you want? I think the real trick is to tune into and >feel the audiences' mood,attention,energy, vibe,and invent music that >expresses that. It's not the audiences job to understand the artist,it's >the other way around,at least in the art of performing. >When I saw KW the audience's attention was really caught by him building >all these tracks live right in front of them.Yes anyone who loops could do >it,and get the attention of an audience.Show 'em something they haven't >seen before and they'll pay attention,then you have the chance to take 'em >somewhere.I think audiences want something familiar,so they feel >connected,and something new that surprises ,and delights them,some energy >to make them feel excited,and most of all to have their attention so >engaged,that they forget their troubles for a minute,which makes them feel >refreshed. These are compositional elements as much as >pitches,patches,beats , measures etc.Colors on the pal > >_________________________________________________________________ >Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 23:10:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE303BEE9; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a3fTq4hSd2UPkik/BVoQlDD63nvzOVDnNMbWl4V8gBXo5uxMXe5bIzbANYVl8A/3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24382745.1164841795535.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re last music- nice that someone listens- Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd487b54261d3cc785ec57741416f6e0d82e387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:10:13 +0000 (UTC) I Also Rat (since the 80s:-) -----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Carroll >Sent: Nov 29, 2006 9:27 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: re last music- nice that someone listens- > >Awesome! I have a little RAT pedal that I use myself, and I love it! > >--Josh > >rune fagereng wrote: >> Hi and thanks ! >> >> I am playing with; strat, rat dist, tc. 2290 digital >> delay, mesa. I have a repeater in the mesa fx-chain. >> Lead sound are the rat with a little echo. >> I uses ableton live 6, with frozen reverb preset >> (thank you Mr Boysen for the tip). Macbook pro with >> Moto travler, and ozon midikeyboard. >> The soundscapes on the tune are made with live 6 >> sampler, and are reversed and pitched guitarchords. >> Using lives sampler are new to me, but very >> interesting. >> >> Its nice that somebody takes the time to listen to the >> things I make in my homestudio, the "blue room". >> >> http://www.runefagereng.com/sound.htm >> >> Thank you ! >> >> best regards Rune Fagereng. Norway >> >> >> --- Joshua Carroll skrev: >> >> >>> Yeah, great guitar sound! What were you playing >>> through? >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> Brittany Frompovich wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Rune, >>>> >>>> I like it...very moody. Nice job! >>>> >>>> >>>> Brittany Frompovich >>>> www.ladybassmusic.com >>>> myspace.com/ladybassmusic >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Please listen to my last music. I play most >>>>>> instruments, but not the drums. >>>>>> Remi fagereng play the drums. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>> Hi Rune, >>>>> >>>>> That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks >>>>> >>> for posting a clip ;-)) >>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen >>>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>>> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. >>>> >>> Get a free 90-day >>> >>>> trial! >>>> >>>> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> www.runefagereng.com >> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >> Mob: 917 95 867 >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og >> notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 01:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47EF73BEF0; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KrtH2gcvXrVHm5GynCmY+tCf60XlEqACQ8TI31uOlFp9hDEheUr8JJVDMX03Vonw46PzHBrj1w56Ihe1oqp+vK+b8ZO3hWVCG+9/If0QTCBLmQPJd7kv7BkvKqErHAwI+lnF0SVB7MiB4/A2Yq56pexJPs1QEcBdetVAAXtIooo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:58:08 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Back on LD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54749_25566170.1164851888362" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:58:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54749_25566170.1164851888362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone, I'm back on the list. I used to be a member a few years ago. I've worked with a large number of sound sources ofver the last 10 years, including records, field recordings, found objects, musical instruments and electronics. For the last 3 years or so I've been focusing on drum machine. Sounds dumb in print, I know, but it's nothing like what you're probably thinking of. It has more in common with modern max-msp composition (laptop stuff), drone music or 70's synthesizer space music than anything with traditional rhythms. I've got a new cd out this year ("SoftWetFish"), which is still making modest rounds on college stations around the USA. As a resident of Oakland, California, I'm a frequent performer in the vibrant San Francisco bay area experimental & improvised music scene. ...And some of you may know me from theY2K looping festivals in Santa Cruz. Just saying hello for now. If anyone's curious about the drum machine stuff, there are samples at: www.ribosomemusic.com Matt Davignon ------=_Part_54749_25566170.1164851888362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone,

    I'm back on the list. I used to be a member a few years ago.

    I've worked with a large number of sound sources ofver the last 10 years, including records, field recordings, found objects, musical instruments and electronics. For the last 3 years or so I've been focusing on drum machine. Sounds dumb in print, I know, but it's nothing like what you're probably thinking of. It has more in common with modern max-msp composition (laptop stuff), drone music or 70's synthesizer space music than anything with traditional rhythms.

    I've got a new cd out this year ("SoftWetFish"), which is still making modest rounds on college stations around the USA. As a resident of Oakland, California, I'm a frequent performer in the vibrant San Francisco bay area experimental & improvised music scene. ...And some of you may know me from theY2K looping festivals in Santa Cruz.

    Just saying hello for now. If anyone's curious about the drum machine stuff, there are samples at: www.ribosomemusic.com

    Matt Davignon

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 03:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80E3D3BEE2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--280862292 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Back on LD Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:30:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0uEuCC.A.LSH.MBlbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:30:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--280862292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed hi matt! best bruce On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Just saying hello for now. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams --Apple-Mail-1--280862292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII hi = matt!
    best
    bruce

    On Nov 29, 2006, = at 8:58 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

    Just saying hello = for now.

    bruce tovsky

    www.skeletonhome.com


    "Flying = is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

    Douglas Adams

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-1--280862292-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 04:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5683BEE9; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--275752142 Message-Id: <7CB9E560-3059-4B2C-86E5-8E43243566F4@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Back on LD Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:55:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: ff9bd8d6-802e-11db-b4dc-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEteYlUwAEN1 UkhJREJSEA9tBBYD DlAcVgd3aQRGcWBx YEV9XHVZWVt6Ox0M J0oQd2RaZW5hamUb HkNcdAIaJlVDLEtN PlZiXHMPNHgGZy4y WgVvMzt0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYW ThsBVTIpVWkpL2Qg X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:315/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--275752142 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi matt! welcome back. On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm back on the list. I used to be a member a few years ago. > > I've worked with a large number of sound sources ofver the last 10 > years, including records, field recordings, found objects, musical > instruments and electronics. For the last 3 years or so I've been > focusing on drum machine. Sounds dumb in print, I know, but it's > nothing like what you're probably thinking of. It has more in > common with modern max-msp composition (laptop stuff), drone music > or 70's synthesizer space music than anything with traditional > rhythms. > > I've got a new cd out this year ("SoftWetFish"), which is still > making modest rounds on college stations around the USA. As a > resident of Oakland, California, I'm a frequent performer in the > vibrant San Francisco bay area experimental & improvised music > scene. ...And some of you may know me from theY2K looping festivals > in Santa Cruz. > > Just saying hello for now. If anyone's curious about the drum > machine stuff, there are samples at: www.ribosomemusic.com > > Matt Davignon > --Apple-Mail-4--275752142 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi matt!=A0
    welcome = back.=A0

    On Nov 29, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Matt = Davignon wrote:

    Hi everyone,

    I'm back on the list. I used to be a = member a few years ago.

    I've worked with a large number of sound = sources ofver the last 10 years, including records, field recordings, = found objects, musical instruments and electronics. For the last 3 years = or so I've been focusing on drum machine. Sounds dumb in print, I know, = but it's nothing like what you're probably thinking of. It has more in = common with modern max-msp composition (laptop stuff), drone music or = 70's synthesizer space music than anything with traditional rhythms. =

    I've got a new cd out this year ("SoftWetFish"), which is still = making modest rounds on college stations around the USA. As a resident = of Oakland, California, I'm a frequent performer in the vibrant San = Francisco bay area experimental & improvised music scene. ...And = some of you may know me from theY2K looping festivals in Santa Cruz. =

    Just saying hello for now. If anyone's curious about the drum = machine stuff, there are samples at: www.ribosomemusic.com

    Mat= t Davignon


    = --Apple-Mail-4--275752142-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 06:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533723BEF0; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:12:40 +0000 (UTC) > You guys are so hypersensitive! Good grief. I agree with your points, partly because I think they are obvious and don't require debate. I'm not going to debate that any popular rock/pop artist isn't successful based on one set of criteria. I'm not fucking stupid, but what I don't see here is folks continuously affirming the obvious rather than trying to understand that there is another story to be told, from a different set of criteria. You're using an awful lot of words "not debating" the obvious. I'm not denying you or anyone else their alternative viewpoint. We all have one. Why belittle success or simplicity, and call it a scam or pose-you make it sound like scheming accountants are choosing to play music to pull off some big money scam . . . that's for the A/R guys and label owners to do. I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're writing reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory. I DO believe it's all about integrity and that insincerity is the slippery foundation that will destroy anything in it's path. I'm not calling you a fakir-I'm completely convinced of your creativity and honesty. I'm just debating what you're calling obvious; that there's more to this simple stuff than we really think. If you want to talk about insincerity and opportunists, let's talk about how Clear Channel is packaging rap and rock and shoving it down our throats. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 06:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85B583BF04; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c71446$6ef27c40$12fe9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9O37C.A.mVG.fZnbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:12:47 +0000 (UTC) > Fake passion, real passion, purple passion, purple people eater passion....the entertainment industry could care less. Like I said, sometimes playing the "I'm sincere" card backfires, because people flock to insincerity. How do you know it's insincere? Because *you* think it is? And if you're "playing the sincere card", that's insincere! Dude . . . word up man. Quit playing and start being real. Many actors step into and out of character, yet still retain their integrity. How? They still have an honest desire to either entertain, transcend, communicate, inspire, incite. There's something they're trying to accomplish. At lower levels, they commit all sorts of apprentice mishaps, and will probably admit they've compromised in some way. The good ones retain their integrity and move on, and I believe *most* of the fakers don't thrive. (This is all just my opinion). So that still leaves a few that make it. But I believe they're the exception. > > . . . For a creative guy, you're sounding somewhat intolerant. > It's not intolerance...it's sincerity. Couldn't you tell that I was playing a role of the devil's advocate? Partly, and partly not...that's for you to figure out, I guess...but you sort of validate my point above. With little effort on this list, I "could" write response after response and no one will ever know whether I actually believe what I'm writing or not...this can be the case for anyone, and even music performance....looping or not. I can take on any persona I choose, and in the end only my closest friends and musical colleagues understand my motives and thinking processes. It doesn't matter what *we*, *others* or *I* know . . . it's about you. If your intent isn't to communicate honestly, it's about deceit. You may have artistic reasons for the guise, and that may have an integrity artistically that will carry the day. But you'll have to live with that, and *real* insincerity will taint your communication, actor-artist or otherwise. It's on YOU. My belief is that however corny, contrived, or schlocky others perceive someone's act to be, that person gets up in the morning and intends to do their best. If their best is cheesy to you, so what? They're being honest, and commiting to a plan of action. More power to them, and their honest effort deserves respect. You don't have to like it, but it's worthy. Is a devil's advocate and poseur just-for-the-fake-of-it worthy? > But, seriously, yes, I have experienced many magical moments from utterly simple pieces of performances. I don't see your point, though. I was intentionally marginalizing his performance with the observation that what he does is not particular difficult to do or that original and creative, and magical moments don't negate that fact. My point is to ask: If it's so easy-if there's nothing unusual-if it's all ordinary and bland; what IS it that draws people and inspires them? Is it intangible? Spiritual? Honest? Pertinent? I'm not really attracted to the Jam Band genre either! But I'm not willing to dismiss other's success and hard work and question their integrity; It turns our discussion into a pissing contest. I hope to retain a sense of curiosity about the possiblities of the many paths open to me rather than close them all off. My final question is: Do we all have to be prodigies? Must we be mentally, mechanically and technologically better than . . . who? What kind of contest is this? I may have found myself in entirely the wrong forum, but I AM a looper, and have spent some serious time experimentally and technologically so I guess I have a right to ask. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 06:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F0A3BEE2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:42:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:42:52 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're > writing > reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory. I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to someone else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit fallaciously refute them. What is obvious is that what Keller was doing, the actual playing part, is something that many, many multi-instrumentalists could do if they chose to do so. Note, I don't mean the effort part in getting the following and crowed, etc. What is also oblivious, at least to me, is that if you establish your own set of criteria for success, go out and perform according to those criteria, then of course you are achieving success...because it follows logically from the criteria. Anyone can define success in anyway they want, and therefore if they claim success according to those criteria, you can't deny that form of success, only the criteria. In short, I proposed one set of criteria from which I thought Keller wasn't anything special. Other folks suggested another set of criteria, which led to the contrary...and I accepted this based on the criteria. So, what obvious part do you not get here? I agree with you, and now you are arguing with the way I agree with you? Puzzling. How far do you want to propagate the debate here? > DO believe it's all about integrity and that insincerity is the slippery > foundation that will destroy anything in it's path. Good for you. That's one set of criteria you use to evaluate...but it's not an objective algorithm for truth. Anyone is entitled to disagree with you based on another set of rules. Note, before you leap into an other ad hominem, I'm not suggesting I disagree with you here...unless you want to argue that I can't agree with you in "that way". . :) I'm not calling you a > fakir-I'm completely convinced of your creativity and honesty. I'm just > debating what you're calling obvious; that there's more to this simple > stuff > than we really think. Well, maybe now that I've explained what I think is obvious, you will empathize with my approach here. It's like me arguing that tomatoes are bad because I hate the way they taste, and then someone saying tomatoes are good because they like the way they taste. What is obvious here is that there are two different sets of criteria being used to derive contradictory statements, just like there many, many sets of criteria to define musical success. Once we understand those criteria, then it's easy to understand why people draw the conclusions they do from them. Once you explained yourself and why you thought Keller was successful....I immediately got it....no convincing required. But, heck, I can multitask all day long if you want to practice arguing with semantics. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 07:06:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59113BEF1; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=it5LMFmLM0vMIYMW+I/jKitxMsiBKM2ud8Hc7EjUeyuJhEpSYIBMwcYUye+ynJhBCDqFkuSqrPUsLpNZHlwndIGwQ2BYhaLF0u/n7f1zTGngvqXTO5KCrcC5v46WVUrrRvvrMHhNKjm+OCtagyRCQSOZHcgiw6Y7EyXxNrvA74w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:06:14 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 In-Reply-To: <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53852_27144392.1164870374753" References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5krpb.A.Qv.qLobFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:06:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53852_27144392.1164870374753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're > writing > reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory. I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to someone else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit fallaciously refute them. ------------------------- Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to nameless jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius. Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out of shape! :)" > ------=_Part_53852_27144392.1164870374753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/29/06, Kris= pen Hartung <khartung@cable= one.net> wrote:-----
    Original Message -----
    From: &quo= t;Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com>
    > I'm = just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're
    > wr= iting
    > reams about.  I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can= -do-it theory.

    I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to= someone
    else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit falla= ciously refute
    them.

    -------------------------

    K= rispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring = to nameless jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC i= nduced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest.  You c= ould take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing.  Most jam ban= ds I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, a= lbeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects arti= stic genius.  Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativit= y standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are= standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be de= sired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess,bu= t I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (tho= usands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the= basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every = other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one= of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says
    nothing of the music, by the way, just m= arketing, time, and energy to create
    a niche. I'm sure it works for him.= ..I'd comittt suicide if my musical
    career came down to that.   I h= ope this gets someone bent out of shape...I
    like bending people out of shape!  :)"





    ------=_Part_53852_27144392.1164870374753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 07:10:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16F433BEF0; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064701c7144e$a97b1950$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <04d501c713ca$33c02360$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c71446$6ef27c40$12fe9643@Biffoz> Subject: OT: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:10:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6pJqBC.A.p_.7PobFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:10:51 +0000 (UTC) I'm just waiting for someone to say "enough already" with this non-looping rant...but I'm bored and will continue just once more, because I so much enjoy responding to Miko.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" >> Fake passion, real passion, purple passion, purple people eater > passion....the entertainment industry could care less. Like I said, > sometimes playing the "I'm sincere" card backfires, because people flock > to > insincerity. > > How do you know it's insincere? Because *you* think it is? And if you're > "playing the sincere card", that's insincere! Hmmmm....maybe because they admit it? I said "sometimes". So are you therefore saying that all people in the entertainment industry are always intentionally sincere? That appears to be the contrary of my claim, and quite an extrodinary one at that. > Many actors step into and out of character, yet still retain their > integrity. You just confimed my original point by saying "many"...that implies there are some who don't. Thank sfor doing my work for me. The world is not all roses and cream. "Some" people out there don't have integrity or are intentionally incincere, by our most common definitions of these terms. > > . . . For a creative guy, you're sounding somewhat intolerant. > > It doesn't matter what *we*, *others* or *I* know . . . it's about you. If > your intent isn't to communicate honestly, it's about deceit. It's not about me, in this case. I'm communicating a set of ideas, and it is irrelevant whether I believe in them or not. It's about the stimulation of discourse. One can communicate thoughts and ideas without believing in all of them or taking everything personal. Do you believe that advancements in thought and understanding arise partly by heathly debate, synthesis, antithesis, etc? I do. Or do I need to put a sticky note on my computer screen that says, "Note to self: When communicating with Miko, please ensure everything I say is a personal statement about myself and is utterly sincere and honest". :) It's note even the right context to ask for that sort of thing...we're exhanging ideas. man.....I'm not asking for a psychoanalysis. It's words on a computer screen that makes us think and feel. That I got a reaction out of you makes me happy [note, I'm being sincere here]. > My belief is that however corny, contrived, or schlocky others perceive > someone's act to be, that person gets up in the morning and intends to do > their best. If their best is cheesy to you, so what? They're being honest, > and commiting to a plan of action. More power to them, and their honest > effort deserves respect. You don't have to like it, but it's worthy. Is a > devil's advocate and poseur just-for-the-fake-of-it worthy? That's great. And you think someone here is disagreeing with you? I don't recall anyone saying Keller didn't deserve repect. I don't think you even need to argue your point above. Doesn't most everyone deserve this sort of respect? Perhaps you should go back and read some of my original points, because it seems like this thread become fuzzy in light of what people are actually claiming and why. >> But, seriously, yes, I have experienced many magical moments from utterly > simple pieces of performances. I don't see your point, though. I was > intentionally marginalizing his performance with the observation that what > he does is not particular difficult to do or that original and creative, > and > magical moments don't negate that fact. > > My point is to ask: If it's so easy-if there's nothing unusual-if it's > all > ordinary and bland; what IS it that draws people and inspires them? Is it > intangible? Spiritual? Honest? Pertinent? It could be a lot of things. And how does this relate to my original points? I seem to have lost how your comments map back to the original points. Sorry. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 07:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33123BEE9; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065601c7144f$5fd95900$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:15:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_064F_01C71414.B1C270C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:15:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_064F_01C71414.B1C270C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very observant, Travis, but I never said that anyone had "no talent". = nice try. Even an amateur guitar player has talent. Whether they are = inspiring and creative is a different matter, in my opinion.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote:-----=20 Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com> > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're > writing > reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory.=20 I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to = someone else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit fallaciously = refute them. -------------------------=20 Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to = nameless jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC = induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You = could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam = bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social = thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one = expects artistic genius. Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a = creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely = unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin = playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is = fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of the = competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a = similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions = of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible = unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only = successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says=20 nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to = create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of = shape...I=20 like bending people out of shape! :)" ------=_NextPart_000_064F_01C71414.B1C270C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Very observant, Travis, but I never = said that=20 anyone had "no talent".  nice try.  Even an amateur guitar = player has=20 talent. Whether they are inspiring and creative is a different matter, = in my=20 opinion. 
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----

     On 11/29/06, Krispen = Hartung=20 <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:-----
    Original Message -----
    From: "Miko Biffle" = < biffoz@arczip.com>
    > = I'm just=20 questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're
    >=20 writing
    > reams about.  I don't buy the no-talent,=20 anyone-can-do-it theory.

    I never claimed that anyone had no = talent.=20 You must be referring to someone
    else or misrepresenting my points = to=20 conveniently, albeit fallaciously=20 refute
    them.

    -------------------------

    Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours=20 earlier: "[referring to nameless jam bands, other than, at = times,=20 Phish]...a mind numbing, THC induced,=20 drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest.  You = could take a=20 nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing.  Most jam bands I've = seen=20 are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, = like sex,=20 drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius. =  Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity = standpoint.=20 The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard = (except=20 the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and = the=20 looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager = that=20 any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) = could pull a=20 similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions = of the=20 looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible = unique=20 factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only = successful=20 guys doing it for large crowds...this says
    nothing of the music, by the way, just = marketing,=20 time, and energy to create
    a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd = comittt=20 suicide if my musical
    career came down to that.   I hope this = gets=20 someone bent out of shape...I
    like bending people out of shape!=20  :)"


    ------=_NextPart_000_064F_01C71414.B1C270C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 08:20:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BBF33BED3; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jMapzpAMoEG7aSQjgT3UQH2PvJm37H+c1IJEXR7tWf6tkrYcIvZF9MX1FjTqsKQAVbI4Z3JISi3I2dVD/Bv6XOVLJCR/aS6SB8oycb2lCU1cPwleO2d1LRnrQDrrBy9aUKFMhfJV2QpaV4J+WnIEdJdjuBO7M/0g1G8gQ9b5HD8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:19:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 In-Reply-To: <065601c7144f$5fd95900$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54552_28174718.1164874797783" References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <065601c7144f$5fd95900$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:20:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54552_28174718.1164874797783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's true, you never said they had no talent. However, the description you did offer comes doesn't come across as someone with a differing sense of aesthetics offering an even-handed assessment of something that doesn't rank highly based on those criteria, but a slagfest on what you perceive as...practically worthless. Reading your assessment of Keller Williams leads me to believe that the only things he has going for him is that 1) he enjoys what he's doing and 2) his large fan base enjoys what he's doing. When you throw in the fact that he earns a living doing this, I'd have to say that's what I consider a very successful musician, on all levels. Here's the criteria I use: Doing something you love, having lots of people appreciate it (in my personal criteria having "more" people liking what I love to do is preferable to "few" or "none") and getting paid for it (again, "more money for what I love to do" being preferable to "less" or "none")--that's as good as it gets. The particulars of "what you love to do" are irrelevant in this case, but who wouldn't want all three of the the above? TH On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Very observant, Travis, but I never said that anyone had "no talent". > nice try. Even an amateur guitar player has talent. Whether they are > inspiring and creative is a different matter, in my opinion. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote:----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com> > > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're > > writing > > reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory. > > I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to > someone > else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit fallaciously > refute > them. > > ------------------------- > > Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to nameless > jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC induced, > drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could take a > nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam bands I've seen are > virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, like sex, > drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius. Even > Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final > music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the > vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping > technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of > the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a > similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of > the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique > factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful > guys doing it for large crowds...this says > nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to > create > a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical > career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I > > like bending people out of shape! :)" > > > > > > > ------=_Part_54552_28174718.1164874797783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's true, you never said they had no talent. 

    However, the description you did offer comes doesn't come across as someone with a differing sense of aesthetics offering an even-handed assessment of something that doesn't rank highly based on those criteria, but a slagfest on what you perceive as...practically worthless. 

    Reading your assessment of Keller Williams leads me to believe that the only things he has going for him is that 1) he enjoys what he's doing and 2) his large fan base enjoys what he's doing.  When you throw in the fact that he earns a living doing this, I'd have to say that's what I consider a very successful musician, on all levels.   Here's the criteria I use:

    Doing something you love, having lots of people appreciate it (in my personal criteria having "more" people liking what I love to do is preferable to "few" or "none") and getting paid for it (again, "more money for what I love to do" being preferable to "less" or "none")--that's as good as it gets. 

    The particulars of "what you love to do" are irrelevant in this case, but who wouldn't want all three of the the above?


    TH

    On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Very observant, Travis, but I never said that anyone had "no talent".  nice try.  Even an amateur guitar player has talent. Whether they are inspiring and creative is a different matter, in my opinion. 
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----

     
    On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:-----
    Original Message -----
    From: "Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com>
    > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions you're
    > writing
    > reams about.  I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it theory.

    I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring to someone
    else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit fallaciously refute
    them.

    -------------------------

    Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to nameless jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest.  You could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing.  Most jam bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius.  Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says
    nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to create
    a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical
    career came down to that.   I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I
    like bending people out of shape!  :)"



    ------=_Part_54552_28174718.1164874797783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 09:23:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB0A3BEE2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J8iMyifmsLLh4VFFmlu5xIAPcjprUtBFE9p64xQkLbi6o8hjH/57KyHxi+PdCzEy+pEL0w7jO65H6f4T+D5OfguqW4T7pAN4Tm90V84NyUDG21afKNwnCCkNHTLCtMhj2Kt33S60gkhrXG/G23w2iTa9Qu8UmeOm+edEIHcf1T8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BE87B4D-99AD-435B-A091-CE8867174EFD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back on LD Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:23:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_iNtvB.A.JKG.PMqbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:23:27 +0000 (UTC) On 30 nov 2006, at 02.58, Matt Davignon wrote: > I'm back on the list Hi, Matt :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 10:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9757F3BEDD; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012001c7146a$029a1610$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Back on LD Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:26:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:26:37 +0000 (UTC) I have to give an enthusiastic thumbs up to Matt Davignon's latest recorded project 'SoftWetFish'. What Matt does with extremely simple looping devices and stomp box pedals using only a cheap drum machine as a sound source is nothing less than astonishing. He make beautiful music and every time I see him live, he makes a completely different set of music. I fell in love with his last CD, "Bwoo" and can also highly recommend it. I also encourage you to see his live shows. To add to this rave review I also have to say that he has been curating and leading the longest running new and experimental music venue in San Francisco, the Luggage Store Experimental Music Series which truly ranks amongst the world's wonderful and creative new music series. He has also done a ton to promote new musical artistry in the looping artist and has hosted Experimental Looping shows. By his CDs, you'll be glad, aesthetically and you'll also be supporting one of the true 'good ones' in our looping scene. sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 10:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55ED13BEEC; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c7146b$3f17d090$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Back on LD Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:35:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Welcome back! ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, 30 November, 2006 01:58 AM Subject: Back on LD Hi everyone, I'm back on the list. I used to be a member a few years ago. I've worked with a large number of sound sources ofver the last 10 years, including records, field recordings, found objects, musical instruments and electronics. For the last 3 years or so I've been focusing on drum machine. Sounds dumb in print, I know, but it's nothing like what you're probably thinking of. It has more in common with modern max-msp composition (laptop stuff), drone music or 70's synthesizer space music than anything with traditional rhythms. I've got a new cd out this year ("SoftWetFish"), which is still making modest rounds on college stations around the USA. As a resident of Oakland, California, I'm a frequent performer in the vibrant San Francisco bay area experimental & improvised music scene. ...And some of you may know me from theY2K looping festivals in Santa Cruz. Just saying hello for now. If anyone's curious about the drum machine stuff, there are samples at: www.ribosomemusic.com Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 11:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35703BEE7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:31:16 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <456EC104.4070503@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:27:12 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the the month-long Special Focus on Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Spirals" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1977. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 14:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FEC3BEE7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <069b01c7148e$f2073a60$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03c801c7126f$d25ae2f0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006901c7137e$3de6ee60$b3f49643@Biffoz> <001401c71395$5dd47cd0$4001a8c0@mini> <04e401c713cc$26c17fe0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c71446$6ac1cae0$12fe9643@Biffoz> <063e01c7144a$bfc01340$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <065601c7144f$5fd95900$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:50:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0696_01C71454.447846D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:51:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0696_01C71454.447846D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutlely, my paragraph you sited below had some extremely emotively = charged languange in it, based on my own subjective feelings of the = music, mixed with some not-so creative observations about a performances = creative character. I rather enjoyed writing it and would write it = again if the context fit. It was also partly humorious, which doesn't = come across in email...sometimes a simple :) doesn't cut it. =20 I like your criteria. It's is generic l enough to fit to a large = percentage of us loopers and musicians. If you stood a pyramid on its = head, which broadly applied critera on the top and narrow below, I think = your would rank one of the top.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 That's true, you never said they had no talent. =20 However, the description you did offer comes doesn't come across as = someone with a differing sense of aesthetics offering an even-handed = assessment of something that doesn't rank highly based on those = criteria, but a slagfest on what you perceive as...practically = worthless. =20 Reading your assessment of Keller Williams leads me to believe that = the only things he has going for him is that 1) he enjoys what he's = doing and 2) his large fan base enjoys what he's doing. When you throw = in the fact that he earns a living doing this, I'd have to say that's = what I consider a very successful musician, on all levels. Here's the = criteria I use:=20 Doing something you love, having lots of people appreciate it (in my = personal criteria having "more" people liking what I love to do is = preferable to "few" or "none") and getting paid for it (again, "more = money for what I love to do" being preferable to "less" or = "none")--that's as good as it gets. =20 The particulars of "what you love to do" are irrelevant in this case, = but who wouldn't want all three of the the above? TH On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: Very observant, Travis, but I never said that anyone had "no = talent". nice try. Even an amateur guitar player has talent. Whether = they are inspiring and creative is a different matter, in my opinion.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 On 11/29/06, Krispen Hartung wrote:-----=20 Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com> > I'm just questioning some of the so-called obvious assertions = you're > writing > reams about. I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it = theory.=20 I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be referring = to someone else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, albeit = fallaciously refute them. -------------------------=20 Krispen Hartung, not twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to = nameless jam bands, other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC = induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You = could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam = bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social = thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one = expects artistic genius. Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a = creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely = unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin = playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is = fundamental. That's his bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of the = competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a = similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions = of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible = unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only = successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says=20 nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy = to create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my = musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of = shape...I=20 like bending people out of shape! :)" ------=_NextPart_000_0696_01C71454.447846D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Absolutlely, my paragraph you sited = below had some=20 extremely emotively charged languange in it, based on my own subjective = feelings=20 of the music, mixed with some not-so creative observations about a = performances=20 creative character.  I rather enjoyed writing it and = would write it=20 again if the context fit.  It was also partly humorious, which = doesn't come=20 across in email...sometimes a simple :) doesn't cut it.  =20
     
    I like your criteria. It's is generic l = enough to=20 fit to a large percentage of us loopers and musicians. If you stood a = pyramid on=20 its head, which broadly applied critera on the top and narrow below, I = think=20 your would rank one of the top.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Travis Hartnett
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 30, = 2006 1:19=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Keller Williams / = jam bands/=20 rc50

    That's true, you never said they had no talent. =20

    However, the description you did offer comes doesn't come = across as=20 someone with a differing sense of aesthetics offering an even-handed=20 assessment of something that doesn't rank highly based on those = criteria, but=20 a slagfest on what you perceive as...practically worthless. =20

    Reading your assessment of Keller Williams leads me to believe = that=20 the only things he has going for him is that 1) he enjoys what he's = doing and=20 2) his large fan base enjoys what he's doing.  When you throw in = the fact=20 that he earns a living doing this, I'd have to say that's what I = consider a=20 very successful musician, on all levels.   Here's the = criteria I=20 use:

    Doing something you love, having lots of people = appreciate it (in=20 my personal criteria having "more" people liking what I love to do is=20 preferable to "few" or "none") and getting paid for it (again, "more = money for=20 what I love to do" being preferable to "less" or "none")--that's as = good as it=20 gets. 

    The particulars of "what you love to do" are = irrelevant in=20 this case, but who wouldn't want all three of the the = above?


    TH

    On 11/29/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    Very observant, Travis, but I never = said that=20 anyone had "no talent".  nice try.  Even an amateur guitar = player=20 has talent. Whether they are inspiring and creative is a different = matter,=20 in my opinion. 
     
    Kris
     
    ----- = Original=20 Message -----

     
    On 11/29/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:-----=20
    Original Message -----
    From: "Miko Biffle" < biffoz@arczip.com>
    > I'm just = questioning some=20 of the so-called obvious assertions you're
    > writing
    > = reams=20 about.  I don't buy the no-talent, anyone-can-do-it = theory.=20

    I never claimed that anyone had no talent. You must be = referring=20 to someone
    else or misrepresenting my points to conveniently, = albeit=20 fallaciously refute
    them.

    -------------------------

    Krispen Hartung, = not=20 twenty-four hours earlier: "[referring to nameless jam = bands,=20 other than, at times, Phish]...a mind numbing, THC induced,=20 drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest.  You = could=20 take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing.  Most jam = bands=20 I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social = thing,=20 albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one = expects=20 artistic genius.  Even Keller's set is not that inspiring = from a=20 creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely = unoriginal...the=20 chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which = have=20 much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. = That's his=20 bag I guess,but I'd wager that any of the competant = multi-instrumentalists=20 out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little = effort,=20 after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is = left=20 after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his = set is=20 that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for = large=20 crowds...this says
    nothing of the music, by the way, = just=20 marketing, time, and energy to create
    a niche. I'm sure it = works for=20 him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical
    career came down to = that.=20   I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I
    like = bending=20 people out of shape!  :)"



    ------=_NextPart_000_0696_01C71454.447846D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 17:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420983BECF; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:30:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #504 for November 23, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <456F1544.1030805@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <-7X_LB.A.ODB.iRxbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:26:58 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061123.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #504 November 23, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Metropolitan Suite" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Firebird" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1976. Synergy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tomita Infernal Dance of Firebird (RCA) King Kastchei Tomita Berceuse and Finale Firebird (RCA) Keith Fullerton Stereo Music for Multiples (Kranky) Whitman Serge Prototype - Part Two Bionight Daybreak Daybreak (none) Michael Sandler 1 Leaf Showers (Blue Water) Mingo The Hum of Land's This Side of the Night (none) Ian Boddy Never Forever Elemental (DiN) Ian Boddy Stormfront Elemental (DiN) Ian Boddy If All the World Elemental (DiN) Was Blue 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ian Boddy Foundry * Elemental (DiN) Synergy North River Metropolitan Suite (Third Contact) Synergy Steam and Steel Met. Suite (Third Contact) Towers Synergy City Goes to War Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy Metropolitan Theme Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy The End of an Era Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy Into the Abyss Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy Prairie Light Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy West Side Nights Met. Suite (Third Contact) Synergy Redstone Met. Suite (Third Contact) Stephen Philips Dagboken Dagboken (Hypnos / Secret Sounds) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Reconstructed Artifacts" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Spiral" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1977. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 18:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7D13BEE6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19896013.1164910290546.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:11:30 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back on LD Cc: Matt Davignon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:11:30 -0500 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Welcome back Matt! 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Glad to see you back aboard! tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 18:36:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665C33BEE6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.236.152.193] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <069b01c7148e$f2073a60$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:36:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 18:36:15.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AF032A0:01C714AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:36:17 +0000 (UTC) I agree with everyone ....... oh ... and ... enough already ! PS - I would like to direct you to this one if you got a minute ... (Keller again) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHDupqwy-nA I think the guys got a bit more guitar skill than we may be giving credit for. But maybe I just like the triplet arpeggios with harmonics ... hmmm ....if that makes sense. Anyway, check it out .... thats gotta be one of the coolest new tricks I've seen on guitar ..... He does also set up a nice loop jam about 2/3 the way through. I dig it. Still a cheeseball though. _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 18:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C473BEEC; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29278399.1164912654301.JavaMail.root@web32> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:50:54 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 Cc: aaron leese MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0n0ytB.A.RsD.YhybFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I had a similar hairdo in about 1966 about the time I attended an Iron Butterfly concert. -- Paul Richards ---- aaron leese wrote: > > > I agree with everyone ....... > > oh ... and ... enough already ! > > > PS - I would like to direct you to this one if you got a minute ... (Keller > again) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHDupqwy-nA > > I think the guys got a bit more guitar skill than we may be giving credit > for. But maybe I just like the triplet arpeggios with harmonics ... hmmm > ....if that makes sense. Anyway, check it out .... thats gotta be one of > the coolest new tricks I've seen on guitar ..... He does also set up a nice > loop jam about 2/3 the way through. I dig it. Still a cheeseball though. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered > by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 19:22:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774B53BEE6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20061130112146.01152e38@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:23:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 In-Reply-To: References: <069b01c7148e$f2073a60$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:22:49 +0000 (UTC) mmm, I'll take an order of triplet arpeggios with harmonics to go please. At 2006.11.30 10:36 AM, aaron leese wrote: >I think the guys got a bit more guitar skill than we may be giving credit >for. But maybe I just like the triplet arpeggios with harmonics ... hmmm >....if that makes sense. Anyway, check it out .... thats gotta be one of >the coolest new tricks I've seen on guitar ..... He does also set up a >nice loop jam about 2/3 the way through. I dig it. Still a cheeseball though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 19:41:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5A93BEE6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=i4xYQUel10xA4bTd6Vs10FqjF9Hc8ip+dN6NUILKF1DHQ4sDEG+DKgonyUNByH/f31z4YNH2ppgDO4DzqPOTWQY8SAS0WNU+8H42rgOrWkEmupGPUn/3v5vMGzI+AX1d3IMf0/ijIOtRjAgXDw7xTEVcvRcDWiS+cdfYslsCKDg=; X-YMail-OSG: dZ472ZcVM1nEelO7m_8SWBfq16WtoDDLEVFOp9VEOz4xS0ANobHPvoiJ2x.cVMfq3g-- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Krispen's LD site To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061130172658.ED5643BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <629681.3445.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8xgRVB.A.qSF.UPzbFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey Krispen, I've always enjoyed your banter, quick, witty, rather intelligent, and my goodness, so prolific. And this latest round of so very enjoyable diatribe on how much you don't care for Musician X Y or Z. Perhaps we should rename this list "Krispen's Looper's Delight" I'm sure that Kim Flint has had quite enough of it and would be willing to pass the torch. In some ways, you are the perfect candidate for the job, hard working, supportive of the music that you like, and my goodness, so very very prolific. I'm sure that Kim would love to pass on the financial burden as well. Since the very large majority of posts here are either about you or written by you, this seems a logical move. So, whaddya say? You up for it? Be well, Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 20:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D1313BEEE; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <075201c714c0$f13a3ab0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <629681.3445.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Krispen's LD site Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:48:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:48:54 +0000 (UTC) I'd say you are generalizing from this instance to something outrageous. If you want to propose that, then I'd do a more thorough analysis on top posters besides myself in the last few years, and rename it "Person A, Person B, Person C....etc, etc, Looper's Delight". I'm sure that wouldn't fly. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Krispen's LD site > > Hey Krispen, > > I've always enjoyed your banter, quick, witty, rather intelligent, and > my goodness, so > prolific. And this latest round of so very enjoyable diatribe on how much > you don't care for > Musician X Y or Z. > > Perhaps we should rename this list "Krispen's Looper's Delight" I'm > sure that Kim Flint has > had quite enough of it and would be willing to pass the torch. In some > ways, you are the perfect > candidate for the job, hard working, supportive of the music that you > like, and my goodness, so > very very prolific. I'm sure that Kim would love to pass on the financial > burden as well. Since > the very large majority of posts here are either about you or written by > you, this seems a logical > move. > > So, whaddya say? You up for it? > > Be well, > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 21:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5103BEF3; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20061130131435.01196138@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:23:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Krispen's LD site In-Reply-To: <075201c714c0$f13a3ab0$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <629681.3445.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Kevin has a script ready to go! http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200607/msg00864.html At any rate, I think LD rolls off the tongue better... At 2006.11.30 12:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I'd say you are generalizing from this instance to something outrageous. >If you want to propose that, then I'd do a more thorough analysis on top >posters besides myself in the last few years, and rename it "Person A, >Person B, Person C....etc, etc, Looper's Delight". I'm sure that wouldn't fly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 21:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1223BEF3; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004f01c714c8$ee04b890$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <629681.3445.qm@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20061130131435.01196138@pop.powweb.com> Subject: gear question Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:46:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) here is a true looper's question: i use the line6 and the 2880 (and i have a repeater somewhere, stopped using it because of the clicking display). i would like to record a loop, improvise on it, record a different loop (like a b part) and be able to switch between them ad lib via footswitch.. which loopers can do that for me? all the best, smooth loops, tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 22:24:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A5B73BEE2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061130172658.DCCBD3BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: drone on Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:23:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 22:23:59.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B95F3D0:01C714CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:03 +0000 (UTC) , drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest Could describe Ravi Shankar or any Indian, Persian, or Turkish classical music. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 22:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398D93BEF6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008201c714cf$236c3bb0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Subject: gear question Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:30:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C714D7.84A3F410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:30:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C714D7.84A3F410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanx for the quick replys everybody! tilmann ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C714D7.84A3F410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    thanx for the quick replys = everybody!
    tilmann
    ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C714D7.84A3F410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 22:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153073BEFB; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061130173258.rafqo3ybk044c8gg@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:32:58 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: drone on References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1N-FrC.A.83E.gw1bFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) That whole drone thing works wonderful for a very large portion of celtic/trad music as well. It's one of the reasons I use an open tuning on my guitar. (DADADA) This tuning produces that same sort of open fifths tuning that bagpipers prefer. Of course, given this small amount of info, you can just imagine how dull my looping efforts are........ droning on in Canada Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca Quoting samba - : > , drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest > > Could describe Ravi Shankar or any Indian, Persian, or Turkish > classical music. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by > style, age, and price. Try it! > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 23:33:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B52F3BED6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHP5bkWsH/nS/2dsb2JhbAANgkY2iG0 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:33:53 -0600 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: drone on X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <20061130173258.rafqo3ybk044c8gg@www.wightman.ca> References: <20061130173258.rafqo3ybk044c8gg@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--e90cf0622322c67a7699a" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:33:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----e90cf0622322c67a7699a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like CGCGGD for guitar. (2nd and 3rd strings are unison G, like the 3rd string is normally tuned) When you play on the same fret two strings apart you get either octaves or fifths. I went nuts with this doing 2-handed tapping on 2 strings at a time: http://www.marksmart.net/bands/iconoclast/dusk/dusk.html But sounds really cool with distortion, too. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----e90cf0622322c67a7699a Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    I like CGCGGD for guitar. (2nd and 3rd strings are unison G, like the 3rd string is normally tuned) When you play on the same fret two strings apart you get either octaves or fifths. I went nuts with this doing 2-handed tapping on 2 strings at a time:
     
    But sounds really cool with distortion, too.
     
    Mark Smart
     
    ----e90cf0622322c67a7699a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 23:40:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16D8D3BEDF; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20061130112146.01152e38@pop.powweb.com> References: <069b01c7148e$f2073a60$b5b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20061130112146.01152e38@pop.powweb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--208265369 Message-Id: From: john floridis Subject: Re: Keller Williams- guitar tone?? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:40:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 63.227.172.56 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:40:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--208265369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i've been tempted to chime in several times here on this thread, but after going to the youtube video that aaron refered us to, i have a question for keller fans or otherwise about something that has mystified me for some time about keller williams- why in this day and age of acoustic guitar amplification with the multitude of pretty damn good pickup systems does he insist on relying on, what sounds like to me, the most generic donald duck piezo pickup sound. to me it sounds like he's playing well tuned rubber bands. i confess i'm not a fan, don't like the corny stuff, DO think he's creative within what he's trying to do (whether you go for it or not), do think he's a fine player (rythym skills particularly)......just not my cup of tea. i think part of what this guy is about is creating community with the folks who come to his shows, and though i'm not in that genre, i have to say that the jam bandaholics, hippies, whatever you want to call them are some of the coolest people i've met,......AND most of them, despite the stoner stereotype, actually listen to what's going on and value music and PARTICIPATE in music on some level more so than the average joe or jane. there also some of the most open-minded folks you're going to meet as well. but about that tone......yikes, i know the guy does michael hedges covers, so he knows there's better pickup systems...... my two cents, john --Apple-Mail-13--208265369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've been tempted to chime in several times= here on this thread, but after going to the youtube video that aaron refere= d us to, i have a question for keller fans or otherwise about something that= has mystified me for some time about keller williams-

    why in this day and age of acoustic guitar a= mplification with the multitude of pretty damn good pickup systems does he i= nsist on relying on, what sounds like to me, the most generic donald duck pi= ezo pickup sound.=A0 to me it sounds like he's playing well tuned rubber ban= ds.

    i confess i'm not a fan, don't like the corny stuff, D= O think he's creative within what he's trying to do (whether you go f= or it or not), do think he's=A0 a fine player (rythym skills particularly)..= ....just not my cup of tea.=A0 i think part of what this guy is about is cre= ating community with the folks who come to his shows, and though i'm not in=20= that genre, i have to say that the jam bandaholics, hippies, whatever you wa= nt to call them are some of the coolest people i've met,......AND most of th= em, despite the stoner stereotype, actually listen to what's going on and va= lue music and PARTICIPATE in music on some level more so than the average jo= e or jane.=A0 there also some of the most open-minded folks you're going to=20= meet as well.

    <= DIV>but about that tone......yikes, i know the guy does michael hedges cover= s, so he knows there's better pickup systems......
    my two cents,
    john

    =3D --Apple-Mail-13--208265369--