From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 01:57:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1875D3BF08; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill's looperlative tune Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6CD2F.5CECAF10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <928D3B07-2766-4A42-8654-D17665FD78A8@steve-lawson.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:57:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6CD2F.5CECAF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Hurry Steve, just a thought. certainly no time constrant. I'm sure you are very busy. Thanks again for the scramble suggestion for the LP-1. it is rocking my world. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:00 PM To: Loop List Subject: Bill's looperlative tune Gorgeous stuff Bill - great work, sir! ...and I will reply to your other email as soon as I can. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6CD2F.5CECAF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No=20 Hurry Steve, just a thought. certainly no time constrant.  I'm = sure=20 you are very busy.  Thanks again for the scramble suggestion  = for the=20 LP-1. it is rocking my world.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lawson=20 [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, = 2006=20 4:00 PM
To: Loop List
Subject: Bill's looperlative = tune

Gorgeous stuff Bill - great work, sir!=20

...and I will reply to your other email as soon as I can. :o) =

Steve
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6CD2F.5CECAF10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 02:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F60B3BF13; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F7947B.20207@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:01:31 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New track created with Mobius scripts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-3, 08/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Inspired by Bill Walker's incredible Looperlative track and Claude Voit's use of the Plain Hunt sequence, I created a couple scripts in Mobius to make rhythmic patterns. These don't do exactly the same things (still thinking about how to dynamically shuffle the loop), but they do create some rhythmic texture. One switches the pan position according to a 5-point Plain Hunt Sequence once every subcycle, and one does the same for the output volume. The speed be changed dynamically by adjusting the 8thsPerCycle parameter, so I also wrote a couple scripts that let me cycle through commonly used 8thsPerCycle values according to time-signature (multiples of 3, 4, 5, and 7). At the link at the end of this e-mail is a recording of me playing with these scripts on a single Mobius track. You can hear me changing 8thsPerCycle value and using the two rhythmic scripts in conjunction in this loop. I'm not sure I like the one that affects output volume in this loop anyway... seems a little too drastic. But I thought I'd leave it in anyway. Anyway, I just wanted to drop a quick thanks to Bill and Claude and share this tribute with all of you! http://www.infinivert.com/audio/PlayingWithScripts.mp3 --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 05:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28103BF08; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 05:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c2901c6cd84$fc883580$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: zonemobius@yahoogroups.com References: <44F7947B.20207@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: New track created with Mobius scripts Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:10:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 05:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that panning is almost painful to the ears.....hard pans like that are always somewhat disturbing to me. That's a radical script, nonetheless. For some reason, I though Per had created a Mobius script that did some transposition to create chord-like sequenced patterns. I'll have to find his original post. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: New track created with Mobius scripts > Inspired by Bill Walker's incredible Looperlative track and Claude Voit's > use of the Plain Hunt sequence, I created a couple scripts in Mobius to > make rhythmic patterns. These don't do exactly the same things (still > thinking about how to dynamically shuffle the loop), but they do create > some rhythmic texture. One switches the pan position according to a > 5-point Plain Hunt Sequence once every subcycle, and one does the same for > the output volume. The speed be changed dynamically by adjusting the > 8thsPerCycle parameter, so I also wrote a couple scripts that let me cycle > through commonly used 8thsPerCycle values according to time-signature > (multiples of 3, 4, 5, and 7). > > At the link at the end of this e-mail is a recording of me playing with > these scripts on a single Mobius track. You can hear me changing > 8thsPerCycle value and using the two rhythmic scripts in conjunction in > this loop. I'm not sure I like the one that affects output volume in this > loop anyway... seems a little too drastic. But I thought I'd leave it in > anyway. > > Anyway, I just wanted to drop a quick thanks to Bill and Claude and share > this tribute with all of you! > > http://www.infinivert.com/audio/PlayingWithScripts.mp3 > > --Josh > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 05:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E663BF1A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 05:14:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [66.143.209.36] Message-ID: <44F7C199.10406@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:14:01 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New track created with Mobius scripts References: <44F7947B.20207@infinivert.com> <0c2901c6cd84$fc883580$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0c2901c6cd84$fc883580$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-3, 08/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 05:14:15 +0000 (UTC) I know he did one to simulate vibrato. Changing rate or pitch according to the same pattern would be no big trick. I can upload those shortly. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wow, that panning is almost painful to the ears.....hard pans like > that are always somewhat disturbing to me. That's a radical script, > nonetheless. > > For some reason, I though Per had created a Mobius script that did > some transposition to create chord-like sequenced patterns. I'll have > to find his original post. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: New track created with Mobius scripts > > >> Inspired by Bill Walker's incredible Looperlative track and Claude >> Voit's use of the Plain Hunt sequence, I created a couple scripts in >> Mobius to make rhythmic patterns. These don't do exactly the same >> things (still thinking about how to dynamically shuffle the loop), >> but they do create some rhythmic texture. One switches the pan >> position according to a 5-point Plain Hunt Sequence once every >> subcycle, and one does the same for the output volume. The speed be >> changed dynamically by adjusting the 8thsPerCycle parameter, so I >> also wrote a couple scripts that let me cycle through commonly used >> 8thsPerCycle values according to time-signature (multiples of 3, 4, >> 5, and 7). >> >> At the link at the end of this e-mail is a recording of me playing >> with these scripts on a single Mobius track. You can hear me >> changing 8thsPerCycle value and using the two rhythmic scripts in >> conjunction in this loop. I'm not sure I like the one that affects >> output volume in this loop anyway... seems a little too drastic. But >> I thought I'd leave it in anyway. >> >> Anyway, I just wanted to drop a quick thanks to Bill and Claude and >> share this tribute with all of you! >> >> http://www.infinivert.com/audio/PlayingWithScripts.mp3 >> >> --Josh >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 06:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E5C3BF10; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060901063121532.81FDA700008F@mwinf1403.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09CE7F89-CD8E-4164-97DF-E0E5EAA8132C@moregeometrico.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: gael Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:31:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi, i use it with the freeware midikeys ex : the "," key for recordind first loop, the ";" key for recordind =20 the second loop and so on... no mouse just midikeys in background best gael http://www.moregeometrico.net Le 31 ao=FBt 06 =E0 18:14, Charles Zwicky a =E9crit : > Does anyone have any advice on setting up sooper looper with a midi =20= > foot control? It seems to have such great potential, but too =20 > aggravating to use with a mouse... > > >> What about SooperLooper?` >> >> @Jeff: is your 8-tracker also Universal Binary (intel mac)? >> Buzap >> >> -- >> >> >> Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! >> Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 06:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 964AA3BF17; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y45oY3mV0hhsSh/RU1Z6F6+s1v8MKs2cLRnsfh/LMIL1jgNKu81hoqcPXM9al+/oy/duWQdaPpTseZCJnnIdsVtp2PbrF8DxWTWrrKhEzo0HL/scvXsfS566uge6pnse3IM57GSjjLRE+f8yr8l4mOfo5k04dJBzP+cLCfj9qc0= ; Message-ID: <20060901064618.4514.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Looperlative features To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44F730F6.6080007@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob, Will the LP possibly feature cut and paste,and tap tempo soon?Is there a complete update list of its features and a PDF manual available for download? thanx Luis --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > thanks, Bill, fascinating stuff. Just one question > - is the "shuffle" > mode the same as the "scramble" mode you mention > below? > > Also, is it possible to sync the rate of the > shuffle, or control it via > MIDI? I'm a long way away from doing anything with > sync (or MIDI for > that matter), but I'm curious, it seems like it'd be > especially useful > if that were possible. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps. The > improvisation you heard was > > done in real time, without edits or pre-records. I > started by creating a > > simple rubato melodic theme, I then changed the > record speed to half speed > > which dropped the loop down an octave and then I > reversed the track. then I > > applied the fast shuffle mode to the loop which > created the sequenced > > sounding bass part. Subsequent tracks I added > where mostly of an ambient > > nature, but I continued to make liberal use of the > different record speeds, > > reverse function, replace function and the shuffle > mode, not to mention > > bringing tracks in and out via expression > controlled volume fades. in > > addition to the LP-1, I used a DL-4 for the > auto-volume effect, a Seymour > > Duncan twin tube for overdrive effects, and a vox > tonelab for amp sounds and > > some secondary delay effects. I believe I had 4 or > 5 independent tracks > > going by the end. Major Kudos to Steve Lawson who > suggested the scramble > > function to Bob, which I used in a pretty inside > way, but has great > > potential for glitchy weirdness, and most major > kudos for Bob, for > > continuing to come up with new features for this > remarkable tool. For guys > > like me who are not ready to commit to a software > solution, this is as good > > as it gets. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 08:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 412FF3BF2E; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tenth anniversary Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:16:27 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c6cd9e$ec37bb00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbNnuuh4Y5psd1rTxqmKN48GjtptA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:16:31 +0000 (UTC) happy birthday Loopers's Delight! I'll light a candle and eat a piece of chocolate cake :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de btw great tune Bill !!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 08:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F683BF41; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tenth anniversary Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:25:40 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c6cda0$35fd6c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbNnuuh4Y5psd1rTxqmKN48GjtptA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:25:42 +0000 (UTC) btw Kim, why don't you post a link to Krispen's page to the LD site ... maybe even on the front page, at least for a short while ... http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:25:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321D63BF36; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007a01c6cda8$85d4bf70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:25:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2006 09:25:16.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[8918EDF0:01C6CDA8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Nice !!! It shows some interesting Looperlative features and has some Belew taste...I like it !!! Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/fabioanile/podcast.xml (podcast) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Amstadt" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:37 AM > Subject: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download > > >> Bill Walker was kind enough share a recording of him using the >> Looperlative LP1. At his request, I have placed the recording on the web >> and it may be downloaded at >> http://www.looperlative.com/media/BillWalkerLPno2.mp3 >> >> I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do. >> >> --- >> Bob Amstadt >> http://www.looperlative.com >> http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:02:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6327B3BF3A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Ihfz1lmuTQkQXt4IVG6fLaacNN1HfLk186jIErA0kkehhiqy81hPXBZARSnpIJGcfjyNIbGfpjK+M1YiF4Os+86iQZCcuZWUjanfbzjJ2q9stkH/rME4ELp5HeCJe0x+AUe8d+jglZbPmLu78NDojYtSq7UPg6lm72kWUQIxppc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:02:16 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a107479dc4cfd812 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:02:20 +0000 (UTC) On 8/31/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Does anyone have any advice on setting up sooper > looper with a midi foot control? It seems to have > such great potential, but too aggravating to use > with a mouse... If you are running the standalone JACK version, you'll want to use Midi Patchbay and set up a patch from your hardware interface to SL, then check out the SL docs here: http://essej.net/sooperlooper/doc_midi.html The learn style is the easiest. If you are using the Audio Unit version, it depends on the host how you do it. For instance in Live, you actually add SL to a midi track, then route the audio in and out from other tracks/hw. Then you can use the same instructions as above in SL to make the bindings. Other hosts are different and some may not be able to pass midi to the plugin because they don't properly support Music Effect AUs (for instance GB can't). Hope this helps, jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790013BF43; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:22:38 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <44F5F021.4030606@soundscapes.us> Message-ID: <20060901112238.104960@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44F5F021.4030606@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: RC-50 First Time Experience To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1cOue.A.qKE.AgB-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill > I was never able to get Loop2 to que up and > start playing after Loop1 ended. There are three ways to handle this: 1.) Of course, the most elegant way to handle this is to switch to SINGLE MODE. I need to check if this works only immediately or also with loop-end, though. In the first case, you'd have to hit the PHRASE pedal at the right time. 2.) You can configure for each phrase if it will stop IMMEDIATE/FADE-OUT/LOOP-END. Default is to stop immediately. So, you can set this to LOOP-END. So, _theoretically_ you could i.e.: - play PHRASE1 - during loop, press STOP PHRASE1 - PHRASE1 will stop at the end of the loop - at the _same_ time, press PLAY for PHRASE2 Due to some odd bug, however, this will only work if you have a PHRASE3 running in parallel. PHRASE3 could contain anything or just silence, it doesn't matter. But there needs to be another loop running. Don't ask me why. Odd bug... 3.) This is what I use personally: You can add up to 4 foot switches. I bought some that are easy to press. For each PHRASE, you can assign a foot switch with PLAY/STOP PHRASE. So, I usually start playing PHRASE1, then press PLAY/STOP foot switches for 1+2 _at_the_same_time. So I stop PHRASE1 and start PHRASE2. It sounds weird at the beginning but works very well with a little practice. For those who are spoilt with Echoplex, this approach might be achaic. However, it all works ;-) This all reminds me: I should get back to my RC-50 tutorial... (other projects holding me up;-) Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #2058773 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi list, I'm currently looking for a compact sampler to handle my multisamples. Although I downloaded the SU-700 manual I didn't find out if it is able to handle multisamples. I want to sample some synthesizer instruments, store the (multi)samples on the SU-700 and play those instruments per keyboard connected to the SU-700. Is this possible? -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6E83BF3C; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,201,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="802456982:sNHT17620056" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002501c6cda0$35fd6c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <002501c6cda0$35fd6c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5cc5e6bf38079ffb6acbe0d22459b207@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: tenth anniversary Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:18:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Hip! Hip Hurray! 10 years Kim! That's saying something! May there be 10 more to come . . . or is that too depressing to contemplate (as this list means a lot of thankless work for you a good deal of the time). Ahhhh . . . 10 years ago I was still a youngster in my 40s. I'll hoist a Dead Guy Ale in salute to your honor tonight. Cheers! Ted Killian Etc., etc., etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:03:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BE1A3BF44; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018d01c6cde0$210a7660$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: new looping track uploaded Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:03:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018A_01C6CDF0.E46F91C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2006 16:03:16.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[226E9A40:01C6CDE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018A_01C6CDF0.E46F91C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 for those of you who are interested, I have uploaded a new track in my=20 Download.com web page, titled "Circles" (maybe someone of you had listen = to it in my podcast a month ago....). All the looping stuff was played live with an intensive use of volume = pedal, feedback on RPTR, and long delay on KP2.=20 It's a long fripp-soundscape evolving sometimes in Morricone-like = themes. CIRCLES can be found here: http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url Comments are welcome fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml (podcast) ------=_NextPart_000_018A_01C6CDF0.E46F91C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people, =
for those of you who = are=20 interested, I have uploaded a new track in my
Download.com web page, = titled=20 "Circles" (maybe = someone of you=20 had listen to it in my podcast a month ago....).
 
All the looping = stuff was=20 played live with an intensive use of volume pedal, feedback on RPTR,=20 and long delay on = KP2.=20
It's a long = fripp-soundscape=20 evolving sometimes in Morricone-like themes.
 
CIRCLES can be found=20 here:
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
Comments are = welcome
 
fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
http://www= .vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml (podcast)
 
------=_NextPart_000_018A_01C6CDF0.E46F91C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15543BF49; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tucker Tota Subject: Modified EHX 16 Sec. (Midi Issue) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:54:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) I had my 16 second digital delay modified, so now I can set the tempo with two presses of the foot-pedal. This was very crucial, but it's not something other looping pedals can't do. The reason I went with the 16 sec (besides the fact that i got it for really cheap from a friend) was for the MIDI out. The modified looper let's you over-ride the preset tempo built into the machine and create your own tempo, but the original tempo is still sent out through the MIDI out. The internal clock doesn't change even if you create a new tempo. I need the new tempo that I set to go to the MIDI out, or else the two tempos will be different and it will sound like poo. I experimented with it a lot and found that if I have the drum machine playing (tempo controlled by the MIDI out of the pedal) and I record a loop at a different tempo, the drum machine will jump to a faster or slower speed. Not to the speed I'm playing, but it shows that the MIDI speed is altered for some reason. This leads me to believe there is some way to sync the MIDI out with the newly-set tempo. The reason I went through all of this, was to not have to buy a more expensive looper with MIDI, but if this can't be fixed, I've wasted my time and money. But maybe I can sell the thing on eBay for more than I paid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 17:08:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF523BF47; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Modified EHX 16 Sec. (Midi Issue) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:08:47 +0000 (UTC) >From what EH told me the internal tempo will *not* sync to the manual tempo you overwrite with the updated hardware. I've never noticed the midi out tempo changing on mine but perhaps I didn't pay attnetion or use it like that yet. I pretty much either run it totally in manual mode or use the drum macine as a click and sync myself to the pedal, never both. I agree the idea that the manual tempo actual does *not* set the tempo of the pedal is a serious flaw. Quite frankly I'm dissapointed in the entire "reissue" nonsense about this. Prices have dropped in half since this came out years ago and so much for the hype of a "limited edition" which got us hungry loopers to shell out for the first units afraid something we waited 20 years for would soon be OOP again. I *am* glad they at least added the manual upgrade though. That makes it no worse than any other pedal and if you only use manual mode and ignore any midi sync it's actually a very nice piece. On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Tucker Tota wrote: > I had my 16 second digital delay modified, so now I can set the tempo > with two presses of the foot-pedal. This was very crucial, but it's not > something other looping pedals can't do. > I experimented with it a lot and found that if I have the drum machine > playing (tempo controlled by the MIDI out of the pedal) and I record a > loop at a different tempo, the drum machine will jump to a faster or > slower speed. Not to the speed I'm playing, but it shows that the MIDI > speed is altered for some reason. This leads me to believe there is > some way to sync the MIDI out with the newly-set tempo. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 17:13:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6D53BF55; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ed201c6cde9$f49e0ab0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <002501c6cda0$35fd6c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: tenth anniversary Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:13:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Happy Anniversary LD! I'm plugging in for the first time in a while and doing the 30-second loop tonight (thanks Goddard!). This is going to be a Tarot-style loop, which will tend to reflect how I'm feeling at the time I do it. It's been a long but well-finishing week, renovations-wise, and I think this will show. [clapping] VWD Kim. And thanks. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 17:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0EB73BF49; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:46:51 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: "L.A. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative features Message-ID: <83196D848E1935D8638604C1@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <20060901064618.4514.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060901064618.4514.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:47:08 +0000 (UTC) --On Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:46 PM -0700 "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Will the LP possibly feature cut and paste,and tap > tempo soon?Is there a complete update list of its > features and a PDF manual available for download? The short answer is that I don't know. When it comes to programming, I don't plan past the next project or two that I have planned. I didn't have a cut and paste in the plans, but that is an interesting idea. I do have plans to be able to record the manipulated outputs of one or more tracks into a new track. So, you could record speed changes and scrambles to a new track. As for tap tempo, are you looking for a click track or something else? You actually can use multiple tracks to get your tap tempo. If you tap the record button on one track, you will now have a track that is only a single beat long. Now you can create a second synchronized track that is any multiple of the first track length. With 8 tracks to work with, you have a fair deal of freedom. The manual is a tad behind the times with all the software updates lately. I plan to edit it and release a new manual very soon. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 18:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6AA93BF44; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nWlsOmh0QrsfEJ6Pkj5l4LYfHFZvhfuO9N8w/Cd+oTRx3xKZ6k1MBdUm2gndO6Lg1b+x68ZwhObHC3AZCkPPU0lSY2kqK5/fBs8EZDyhJyMv25mZCgfgqVmfICvz6sRPhl7mgPpGTW9zP66rf/Ab2LLwZNuV3sCMVnwAkFOAoMg= ; Message-ID: <20060901184720.41460.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:47:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: RC-50 vs electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060831113651.150250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-956985867-1157136440=:40322" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:47:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-956985867-1157136440=:40322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey thank you for the chart and information regarding the RC-50, It was most helpful. I currently own the boomerang (original version) I love it! I wish the playback sound quality would be better though. I just test drove the RC-50 and it was absolutely amazing plus it has a drum machine tap tempo and quite a few other bells and whistles. I think I could find a way to use the freaky sounds when you do slower tempo changes to your loop. Lucky I am open-minded to these types of things. I would think they will come up with another version before too long to correct such things though. I really think the best is yet to come. Hey check out our songwriting seminar coming up real quick like when you get an opportunity. I will be playing Flamenco and Celtic type of instrumentals most of which are my own composition. I mainly compose on the fly by the skin of my teeth. Playing live brings out the best in me! Peace out and happy practice and joyful may the noise's be you make!! www.centercreek.com Sincerely, Daniel T. Albertini - Albertini Guitar Works - Will be more custom instruments I am designing soon as well!! Take Care :o) Buzap Buzap wrote: Hi Daniel there have been various discussions on that in this forum, you might want to search for it. You can find the essentials here: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php If you want to midi sync, time shift etc., the Repeater might be a better choice. The good thing about the RC-50 is that you have everything in a nice pedal unit with 3 stereo loops - and you can get it in a shop. ;-) I guess it depends on what you need. Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --0-956985867-1157136440=:40322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey thank you for the chart and information regarding the RC-50, It was most helpful.  I currently own the boomerang (original version)  I love it!  I wish the playback sound quality would be better though.  I just test drove the RC-50 and it was absolutely amazing plus it has a drum machine tap tempo and quite a few other bells and whistles.  I think I could find a way to use the freaky sounds when you do slower tempo changes to your loop.  Lucky I am open-minded to these types of things.  I would think they will come up with another version before too long to correct such things though.  I really think the best is yet to come.  Hey check out our songwriting seminar coming up real quick like when you get an opportunity.  I will be playing Flamenco and Celtic type of instrumentals most of which are my own composition.  I mainly compose on the fly by the skin of my teeth.  Playing live brings out the best in me!  Peace out and happy practice and joyful may the noise's be you make!!  www.centercreek.com
Sincerely, Daniel T. Albertini - Albertini Guitar Works - Will be more custom instruments I am designing soon as well!!  Take Care :o)

Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi Daniel

there have been various discussions on that in this forum, you might want to search for it.
You can find the essentials here:
http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

If you want to midi sync, time shift etc., the Repeater might be a better choice. The good thing about the RC-50 is that you have everything in a nice pedal unit with 3 stereo loops - and you can get it in a shop. ;-)

I guess it depends on what you need.
Buzap
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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd480818489475662a7712454e254f1952962601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: <13ty7B.A.xaG.c0I-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=166462 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 21:34:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF17C3BF54; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F8A741.60503@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:33:53 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping track uploaded References: <018d01c6cde0$210a7660$e701a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <018d01c6cde0$210a7660$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020801000309000802070709" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:34:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020801000309000802070709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fabio, very beautiful, evocative stuff, thanks! Nice use of stereo. Was that all panned live, or done afterwards? And what keyboard gear did you use? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hi people, > for those of you who are interested, I have uploaded a new track in my > Download.com web page, titled "Circles" (maybe someone of you had > listen to it in my podcast a month ago....). > > All the looping stuff was played live with an intensive use of volume > pedal, feedback on RPTR, and long delay on KP2. > It's a long fripp-soundscape evolving sometimes in Morricone-like themes. > > CIRCLES can be found here: > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl > > Comments are welcome > > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ > http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml (podcast) > --------------020801000309000802070709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fabio, very beautiful, evocative stuff, thanks! Nice use of stereo. Was that all panned live, or done afterwards? And what keyboard gear did you use?

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

Hi people,
for those of you who are interested, I have uploaded a new track in my
Download.com web page, titled "Circles" (maybe someone of you had listen to it in my podcast a month ago....).
 
All the looping stuff was played live with an intensive use of volume pedal, feedback on RPTR, and long delay on KP2.
It's a long fripp-soundscape evolving sometimes in Morricone-like themes.
 
CIRCLES can be found here:
 
Comments are welcome
 
fabio
 

--------------020801000309000802070709-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 00:46:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6179A3BF4A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , "Fabio Anile" Subject: RE: new looping track uploaded Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:46:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6CDEE.86204490" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <018d01c6cde0$210a7660$e701a8c0@pcfabio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6Wx33D.A.ZN.ZRN-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:46:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6CDEE.86204490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, that was lovely, and massive sounding as well, The tones are so rich , its meditative, impressionistic, just beautiful Fabio, reminds me of what a sublime contrast your music was in Zurich, to all of us electric guitar nuts. Bravo Bill -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new looping track uploaded Hi people, for those of you who are interested, I have uploaded a new track in my Download.com web page, titled "Circles" (maybe someone of you had listen to it in my podcast a month ago....). All the looping stuff was played live with an intensive use of volume pedal, feedback on RPTR, and long delay on KP2. It's a long fripp-soundscape evolving sometimes in Morricone-like themes. CIRCLES can be found here: http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl Comments are welcome fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml (podcast) ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6CDEE.86204490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow,=20 that was lovely, and massive sounding as well,  The tones are so = rich=20 ,  its meditative, impressionistic,  just beautiful Fabio, = reminds me=20 of what a sublime contrast your music was in Zurich,  to all = of us=20 electric guitar nuts.
Bravo
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Fabio Anile=20 [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
Sent: Friday, September 01, = 2006=20 9:03 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 new looping track uploaded

Hi people, =
for those of you who = are=20 interested, I have uploaded a new track in my
Download.com web = page, titled=20 "Circles" (maybe = someone of you=20 had listen to it in my podcast a month ago....).
 
All the looping = stuff was=20 played live with an intensive use of volume pedal, feedback on RPTR,=20 and long delay on = KP2.=20
It's a long = fripp-soundscape=20 evolving sometimes in Morricone-like themes.
 
CIRCLES can be found=20 here:
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
Comments are = welcome
 
fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
http://www= .vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml (podcast)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6CDEE.86204490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 04:48:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AE8A3BF4C; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:48:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:48:41 +0000 (UTC) For anyone interested...FireworX - Buy Now option for $750, includes new software loaded and on PCMCIA card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=160025940609 K- ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 05:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB193BF57; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BlxFvOYZE99apLadqMWBtYT5eS82QQ74j88a3vBX4RpbzP88puvFDRmlIXCP/ThkpFSviR1XsGE7F33GyoeYBp5+MDTf9mAQonakkUYh/To9fL261dGPwHLOzh2f62bmzzLROVDk8y2EFSVU88L2sfLVAEkP5zw/nE3FwVpc39g= Message-ID: <913728d60609012216y6c6c883ck4403af000234722c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:16:49 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) In-Reply-To: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:16:51 +0000 (UTC) that is really tempting :) 750 is a great price :) i suppose you won't take all my electrix units in trade ;) Charlie On 9/1/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > For anyone interested...FireworX - Buy Now option for $750, includes new > software loaded and on PCMCIA card. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=160025940609 > > K- > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 05:25:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC8E3BF5C; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e1101c6ce50$30c4b0a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609012216y6c6c883ck4403af000234722c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:25:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Hah hahh....though I've never had my way with a Repeater before...would probably be a one night stand, and then I'd have to sell it the next day. All my friends who want new gear just wait for me to buy it, because they know I'll be selling it for 40% less six months later. What I really need is MAX/MSP, so that I can quit pussyfooting around with these other flimsy VST hosts. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) > that is really tempting :) 750 is a great price :) > > i suppose you won't take all my electrix units in trade ;) > > Charlie > > On 9/1/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> For anyone interested...FireworX - Buy Now option for $750, includes new >> software loaded and on PCMCIA card. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=160025940609 >> >> K- >> >> >> ************************************************************************** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 05:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9448E3BF5E; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0e1101c6ce50$30c4b0a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609012216y6c6c883ck4403af000234722c@mail.gmail.com> <0e1101c6ce50$30c4b0a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9fd54b9c343c436267eaf642b04aec8a@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:31:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <_-bTFD.A.xCC.fcR-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Max/MSP? Max/MSP?!?!? Did someone say Max/MSP?? Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Sep 1, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > What I really need is MAX/MSP, so that I can quit pussyfooting around=20= > with these other flimsy VST hosts.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 05:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF813BF60; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Loop Windowing Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:34:27 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c6ce51$766bd8d0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbOUXTdXmgbZifARB+V9Je2wJlmnQ== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:34:35 +0000 (UTC) OK, I am going through my upgrade manual and trying things I have never used before (they might cause a fire). I have been playing around with loop windowing, doing and unrounded multiply, and then playing through different parts of the loop. What I am trying to figure out is how other people use this. My first instinct was to multiply, and while multiplying, record something over top. Now, if I hit undo to go through the loop, the overdub goes away, but I can 'window' through the loop. According to the manual this is how it is supposed to work. I was thinking that I could shift the underlying loop, but leave the top material, but that isn't what happens. I will keep playing with it, but I would like to come up with some applications, because it seems like a cool feature. I just don't really know what to try yet. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 08:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36BF3BF64; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping track uploaded Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:07:48 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all comments, people. Daryl, as I said, it was made all live. The pan effects come from my KP2 = and then feed into RPTR tracks. I mostly use RPTR with independent tracks hard panned. In this case I moved = from track to track, altering the feedback value in any recording. So what you can hear is a first stereo/pan delay coming from KP2 and a = second panning effect from RPTR. About my gear, I use an old korg X3, completely reprogrammed by = myself. What you hear is just a violin synth. It' the minimal approach to music I = like ;-) Thanks for your appreciation. Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 09:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70D863BF6C; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAFbm+ESBT4lgAgIBBgQKBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060902100903.01aefb68@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:09:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) In-Reply-To: <9fd54b9c343c436267eaf642b04aec8a@pfmentum.com> References: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609012216y6c6c883ck4403af000234722c@mail.gmail.com> <0e1101c6ce50$30c4b0a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9fd54b9c343c436267eaf642b04aec8a@pfmentum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:09:32 +0000 (UTC) >Max/MSP? Max/MSP?!?!? Did someone say Max/MSP?? yes, does everything you know ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 09:18:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357EF3BF71; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060902100903.01aefb68@tiscali.co.uk> References: <0e0301c6ce4b$0e446430$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609012216y6c6c883ck4403af000234722c@mail.gmail.com> <0e1101c6ce50$30c4b0a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9fd54b9c343c436267eaf642b04aec8a@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060902100903.01aefb68@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2461996a2b23a33f38fa79998af421cd@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: FireworX for sale (Tone Mangling Madness) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:18:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:18:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 2, 2006, at 2:09 AM, a k butler wrote: > yes, does everything you know ;-) I heard that somewhere! :-) cheers, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 19:33:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2663BF6F; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:33:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbOxq2puCnfGWFYSbWemzWZNS73OA== Message-Id: <20060902193343.LUJG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi music manglers-- This question is posed to those who loop with the laptop and play outside during the day (if anyone does). What do you do to prevent the kind of glare that makes it impossible to see the display? The new models are even worse! Even LEDs on rack stuff and the fluorescent display on my PMC foot controller are tough to see--is the Behringer any better in broad daylight? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 19:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33FD3BF76; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:38:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c6cec7$4fbd5620$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbOxq2puCnfGWFYSbWemzWZNS73OAAAEcBg In-Reply-To: <20060902193343.LUJG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:38:12 +0000 (UTC) During the broad daylight, I draw the curtains in my living (read: music) room (windows facing south and west...). And when the sun is lighting the day broadly, I can't even recognize what my Behringer FCB1010 wants to tell me (I think you were referring to that one?) > play outside during the day (if anyone does). What do you do > to prevent the kind of glare that makes it impossible to see > the display? The new models are even worse! > Even LEDs on rack stuff and the fluorescent display on my PMC > foot controller are tough to see--is the Behringer any better > in broad daylight? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 20:37:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E19A3BF7D; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ea001c6cecf$9cb07540$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060902193343.LUJG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Subject: Re: Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:37:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:37:33 +0000 (UTC) I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town Boise....let me know when you figure it out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside > Hi music manglers-- > This question is posed to those who loop with the laptop and play outside > during the day (if anyone does). What do you do to prevent the kind of > glare > that makes it impossible to see the display? The new models are even > worse! > Even LEDs on rack stuff and the fluorescent display on my PMC foot > controller are tough to see--is the Behringer any better in broad > daylight? > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 20:42:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC4C3BF4C; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0ea001c6cecf$9cb07540$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060902193343.LUJG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <0ea001c6cecf$9cb07540$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: [OT] Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:42:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6mdyDB.A.yIF.gye-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:42:09 +0000 (UTC) yeah, I'm playing in Big Sur this next weekend....and it has always=20 been a problem....so let me know, too....in beach umbrella's kind of=20 look funny onstage...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town=20 > Boise....let me know when you figure it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 21:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5713BEDD; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OO6AnMHmLIVEILOd3QwSQzPq5TJHJhNoRUk0ef4wBNCiEuKzTLqQWH3CsaHk9EAw9biXbpCnJ40AB3735+c0liSkEJKf0xW+ka0FTXSwX45zl98z2S3i3YUcySIcCMHuAI6QCAHJ/3PoRnmi+QtrJyk1wKmD+Pa7Lva6IzRlG+c= Message-ID: <913728d60609021412h74047a69hf6ed47b569130116@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:12:12 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060902193343.LUJG20060.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <0ea001c6cecf$9cb07540$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2LQzHD.A.YaG.tOf-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:12:13 +0000 (UTC) there are always screen shades :) http://www.screen-shade.com/laptopshades.html http://www.steves-digicams.com/hoodman_e2000.html http://www.hoodmanusa.com/powerbook.asp Charlie On 9/2/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > yeah, I'm playing in Big Sur this next weekend....and it has always > been a problem....so let me know, too....in beach umbrella's kind of > look funny onstage...... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town > > Boise....let me know when you figure it out. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 23:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1433BF4F; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fd401c6cee4$06939b40$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: On Broadway Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 17:03:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0FD1_01C6CEB1.BB063FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:03:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0FD1_01C6CEB1.BB063FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First rockabilly or twangy, country/pop version I've heard of On = Broaday, looped: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3104803762990852288&q=3Dreal-ti= me+looping+guitar&hl=3Den I was hoping to hear some smooth jazz guitar and Bensonesque = scatting....maybe even the key modulation as done in the original? :) K- *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0FD1_01C6CEB1.BB063FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First rockabilly or twangy,=20 country/pop version I've heard of On Broaday, looped:
 
http://video.google.com/videop= lay?docid=3D3104803762990852288&q=3Dreal-time+looping+guitar&hl=3D= en
 
I was hoping to hear some smooth jazz = guitar and=20 Bensonesque scatting....maybe even the key modulation as done in the = original?=20  :)
 
K-
 
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www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
My=20 Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/= krispen-hartung=20
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
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------=_NextPart_000_0FD1_01C6CEB1.BB063FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 23:07:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F5F3BF5E; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Not OT! Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:07:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <913728d60609021412h74047a69hf6ed47b569130116@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcbO1IBytL6bah74Rc2xWK5db8cjVgAD5ZTg Message-Id: <20060902230732.CCYI4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Hello and thanks for responding . . . The Screen-Shade might do the trick--the problem is that light reflects off the performer, onto the screen and back at the performer. 'Specially that tin foil hat . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside there are always screen shades :) http://www.screen-shade.com/laptopshades.html http://www.steves-digicams.com/hoodman_e2000.html http://www.hoodmanusa.com/powerbook.asp Charlie On 9/2/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > yeah, I'm playing in Big Sur this next weekend....and it has always > been a problem....so let me know, too....in beach umbrella's kind of > look funny onstage...... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > > On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town > > Boise....let me know when you figure it out. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 23:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19723BF55; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hl+m0GmR7fngvykWeVv+8SKSh5R0Lc1HmkS9jhdwshZN+nzgb4i0qa8CX+BhRIiN1BCH1gPNaD2VXu9h1/Eay2++QBbhFlDY75kBIvfVP5GiGR65/Hr98bI5OvRdPd7Qb1JK7ZvJV31zii99+KXv/Vi7+tB5HyoJMQJpabGbn+g= Message-ID: <913728d60609021611idea58co605afebddb45ae9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:11:15 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Not OT! Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside In-Reply-To: <20060902230732.CCYI4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60609021412h74047a69hf6ed47b569130116@mail.gmail.com> <20060902230732.CCYI4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8X2nDC.A.4vD.U-g-EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC) in which case i'd just suggest some polarized sunglasses :) Charlie On 9/2/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hello and thanks for responding . . . > The Screen-Shade might do the trick--the problem is that light reflects off > the performer, onto the screen and back at the performer. > 'Specially that tin foil hat . . . > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside > > there are always screen shades :) > http://www.screen-shade.com/laptopshades.html > > http://www.steves-digicams.com/hoodman_e2000.html > > http://www.hoodmanusa.com/powerbook.asp > > > Charlie > > > On 9/2/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > yeah, I'm playing in Big Sur this next weekend....and it has always > > been a problem....so let me know, too....in beach umbrella's kind of > > look funny onstage...... > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > > > > On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town > > > Boise....let me know when you figure it out. > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 02:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FB593BF50; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <100201c6cefd$fdda2ea0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <913728d60609021412h74047a69hf6ed47b569130116@mail.gmail.com> <20060902230732.CCYI4015.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <913728d60609021611idea58co605afebddb45ae9e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Not OT! Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:09:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Well, we could always play inside small tents, and peep our heads out to see the audience when we're not looking at our computer screens or foot controllers. :) Seriously, though, that Hoodman contraption you sent in the URL is great. Before I saw that, I was thinking that someone needs to invent the "Laptop Bonnet"....similar to when I take my 16 month old twins for a walk in the morning with their double-wide stroller...they have these bonnets that roll over them to block the sun. Their car seats have them too. And I think the Hoodman might even be a bit extreme..just to top and sides may suffice, just like a stroller bonnet. I was thinking, what is the viser technology like these days for viewing computer screen? I recall seeing some viser glasses you could where that would take the place of your computer monitor....that would be really futuristic. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Not OT! Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside > in which case i'd just suggest some polarized sunglasses :) > > Charlie > > On 9/2/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >> Hello and thanks for responding . . . >> The Screen-Shade might do the trick--the problem is that light reflects >> off >> the performer, onto the screen and back at the performer. >> 'Specially that tin foil hat . . . >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:12 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop loopers--combatting glare when playing outside >> >> there are always screen shades :) >> http://www.screen-shade.com/laptopshades.html >> >> http://www.steves-digicams.com/hoodman_e2000.html >> >> http://www.hoodmanusa.com/powerbook.asp >> >> >> Charlie >> >> >> On 9/2/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> > yeah, I'm playing in Big Sur this next weekend....and it has always >> > been a problem....so let me know, too....in beach umbrella's kind of >> > look funny onstage...... >> > >> > >> > Jeff Kaiser >> > http://www.JeffKaiser.com >> > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com >> > >> > On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> > > I had that problem this morning at an outside gig, down town >> > > Boise....let me know when you figure it out. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 02:54:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 846DC3BF55; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060902194936.0c134c50@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:54:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: tenth anniversary In-Reply-To: <002401c6cd9e$ec37bb00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <002401c6cd9e$ec37bb00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 02:54:16 +0000 (UTC) >happy birthday Loopers's Delight! Thanks a lot guys! 10 years of repetition! :-) LD has succeeded far beyond anything I expected when I started the list that day 10 years ago. Let's keep it going. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 04:50:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F9E3BF6D; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 04:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c6cf14$6ee70fd0$0401010a@ritchie> From: "Ritchie" To: Subject: Re: new looping track uploaded Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:14:07 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6CF63.37CCFA10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 04:50:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6CF63.37CCFA10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001D_01C6CF63.37CCFA10" ------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C6CF63.37CCFA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice track indeed. Reminds me of the Fripp type soundscapes. = Great use of volume and panning. Simple but very effective. I = subscribed to your podcast too :-) Ritchie ------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C6CF63.37CCFA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very nice track indeed.  Reminds = me of the=20 Fripp type soundscapes.  Great use of volume and panning.  = Simple but=20 very effective.  I subscribed to your podcast too :-)
 
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+0000 (UTC) --0-780852289-1157261393=:92499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow, that was very cool. Any idea what looper he was using? Krispen Hartung wrote: First rockabilly or twangy, country/pop version I've heard of On Broaday, looped: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3104803762990852288&q=real-time+looping+guitar&hl=en I was hoping to hear some smooth jazz guitar and Bensonesque scatting....maybe even the key modulation as done in the original? :) K- ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-780852289-1157261393=:92499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow, that was very cool.  Any idea what looper he was using?

Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
First rockabilly or twangy, country/pop version I've heard of On Broaday, looped:
 
 
I was hoping to hear some smooth jazz guitar and Bensonesque scatting....maybe even the key modulation as done in the original?  :)
 
K-
 
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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-780852289-1157261393=:92499-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 14:02:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CABA3BF54; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060903052953.93731.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060903052953.93731.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A8CCF3F-5972-4EB2-9AAB-5F42B8362B34@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: On Broadway Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:01:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:02:49 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Scott Murchison wrote: > Wow, that was very cool. Any idea what looper he was using? I bought his CD about a year ago, after searching for "looper" on CD Baby. We had a short email exchange, and he said that he was using a JamMan (Lexicon) which would explain why he can't modulate :-) I asked if he had ever heard of LD but he didn't respond. I liked his CD very much, samples are available on his web site, www.vincognito.com. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 04:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563A43BF55; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Loop Windowing Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c6cfd8$745d3970$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060902101043.01aa63b0@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcbOciWodaPuONLVTqqMibfVCi/hjABZVP4Q X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) OK, playing with it, it won't cause a fire at all, but will make some serious demented loops. Using just a guitar, I can see how you can build rhythms- then cut out a section, and shift the background you solo over. It would probably make more conventional sense using some kind of drum machine sync'd to the EDP, since the shifting windows could be vastly different, even if in the same key. The problem I am having (and it might be a matter of practice), is that it is sometimes hard to predict which 8th will be substituted. Sometimes it doesn't matter, but while playing, it is fun to completely change the loop from one thing to another by punching holes in it. Sometimes, I accidently substiture over something I wanted to keep because I can't remember which 8th it is on. Maybe it is just practice? Great track btw, sounds close to the stuff I do too! Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives > > If you know the "Frippertronics" (tape passed from one real > to real to another)setup then there's an easy way to > understand windowing. > It's simply the ability to suddenly shift back the tape by > the length of the loop. > The EDP uses the whole of it's memory to store as much of the > "old loop" as possible. > > Really it's just allowing you to use the Undo function even > though you changed the loop length, so you'd be "Undoing" > into parts of the loop history which were recorded/od'ed at a > different loop length. > > So...one way I use it is to work with a single cycle loop, > replacing single notes until there's quite a bit of material > in memory. Then I can multiply to (say) 8cycles and hit undo. > That means I start to hear 8 successive alterations of the 1 > cycle loop. > > http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3 > > shows this maneuver, the windowing starts 2mins into the > piece, which uses 8th Replace to create the rhythm which is windowed. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com > http://www.myspace.com/livelooper > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 12:14:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ADB13BF53; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ec01c6d01b$a61f4780$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Per Boysen and I - 10h LD birthday Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:14:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C6D02C.69715010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2006 12:14:22.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7C3A8B0:01C6D01B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:14:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C6D02C.69715010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 it's my personal contribution to the 10th anniversary of this list.=20 Yesterday night I jammed with Per Boysen and Eva Almer (They come here = in Rome after a perfomance in Andria, where Zoe Keating had her = performance too). It was amazing. He's a very very interesting person = and an inspiring musician too ! (Per....,when you'll read this message: = Thanks again, and sorry for my bad english: I'd love to talk more with = you, not only about music).=20 For me it was a great Sunday in Rome.=20 So yesterday night, before sleeping, I was thinking about how = interesting and stimulating is this list in my life, as a musician. I subscribed to this list in 2004. So I can say that I'm a newbie - = comparing to the most of people here - but I really love this list. Sharing ideas, comments, and meet people (in person or virtually) that = have the same interests is a great thing that this list (thanks Kim = !)make possibile and that every day give me more interest in = making/thinking of music. Before my subscription to the LD list, I felt like a strange kind of = guy.... the most part of musicians I've meet in years and years don't = knew anything about looping. They just talk about technical ability (how = to be speed, mostly) in jazz improvvisation or rock.=20 It was frustrating for years composing my own music with looping, = absolutely lonely in my home-studio. Rarely (but sometimes it happened) = I found someone attreacted by looping. So it was amazing when I discover this list, and that there is a lot of = other people sharing the same interests, even in different directions. Soon... Bernhard Wagner invited me to play in Zurich, last year, where = I've meet a lot of interesting guy.=20 I collaborated with Kris to the Xperimentus CD project. I join in the LD Compilation Vol. 3. Worked on the CT-Collective Film = project; Started my own "Great Speeches Project"; and this October I'll = go to play at the Y2K6 (thanks, Rick). It was as fast as stimulating !=20 I'm breathing new air now ! Thank Kim, happy looping anniversary. fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01C6D02C.69715010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people, =
it's my personal = contribution to=20 the 10th anniversary of this list.
 
Yesterday night I = jammed with Per=20 Boysen and Eva Almer (They come here in Rome after a perfomance in = Andria, where=20 Zoe Keating had her performance too). It was amazing. He's a very = very interesting person and=20 an inspiring musician too ! (Per....,when you'll read this message: = Thanks=20 again, and sorry for my bad english: I'd love to talk more with you, not = only=20 about music).
For me it was a great = Sunday in=20 Rome.
So yesterday night, = before=20 sleeping, I was thinking about how interesting and stimulating is this=20 list in my life, as a musician.
 
I subscribed to this = list in 2004.=20 So I can say that  I'm a newbie - comparing to the most of people = here -=20 but I really love this list.
Sharing ideas, = comments, and meet=20 people (in person or virtually) that have the same interests is a great = thing=20 that this list (thanks Kim !)make possibile and that every day give = me more interest in making/thinking of music.
 
Before my subscription = to the LD=20 list, I felt like a strange kind of guy.... the most part of musicians = I've=20 meet in years and years don't knew anything about looping. = They just=20 talk about technical ability (how to be speed, mostly) in jazz = improvvisation or=20 rock.
It was frustrating for = years=20 composing my own music with looping, absolutely lonely in my = home-studio. Rarely=20 (but sometimes it happened) I found someone attreacted by = looping.
So it was amazing when = I discover=20 this list, and that there is a lot of other people sharing the=20 same interests, even in different directions.
 
Soon... Bernhard Wagner = invited me=20 to play in Zurich, last year, where I've=20 meet a lot of interesting guy.
I collaborated with = Kris to the=20 Xperimentus CD project.
I join in the LD = Compilation Vol.=20 3. Worked on the=20 CT-Collective Film project; Started my own "Great Speeches = Project"; and=20 this October I'll go to play at the Y2K6 (thanks, Rick).
 
It was as = fast as=20 stimulating !
I'm breathing new air = now=20 !
Thank Kim, happy = looping=20 anniversary.
 
fabio
http://www= .vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml
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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:24:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2006 14:24:50.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[E17A9250:01C6D02D] Resent-Message-ID: <9lPvh.A.fZD.zcD_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to start switching between two heads and a single cabinet. The Radial Headbone seems like it would be the perfect thing to do so with, but it specifically states not to place a looper in after the Headbone because the Headbone is not a load box and the continuous operation of a looper can cause issues. My Looperlative is the main focus of my setup, but is there a way I can use it and still switch between a two amp/one cabinet setup? -Bryan R. Tyler The paintings and drawings of Bryan R. Tyler http://www.bryanrtyler.com The music of Bryan R. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 15:34:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466D73BF65; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <111f01c6d037$8c57f0b0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ec01c6d01b$a61f4780$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Per Boysen and I - 10h LD birthday Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:34:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_111A_01C6D005.40D9D770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:34:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_111A_01C6D005.40D9D770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm all in agreement with you, Fabio! I also joined in 2004, and this = has been the most enriching, informative, and gratifying group I've = belonged to. I'm made some great friends from all over the world and US, = and I've played with some great musicians. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Per Boysen and I - 10h LD birthday Hi people,=20 it's my personal contribution to the 10th anniversary of this list.=20 Yesterday night I jammed with Per Boysen and Eva Almer (They come here = in Rome after a perfomance in Andria, where Zoe Keating had her = performance too). It was amazing. He's a very very interesting person = and an inspiring musician too ! (Per....,when you'll read this message: = Thanks again, and sorry for my bad english: I'd love to talk more with = you, not only about music).=20 For me it was a great Sunday in Rome.=20 So yesterday night, before sleeping, I was thinking about how = interesting and stimulating is this list in my life, as a musician. I subscribed to this list in 2004. So I can say that I'm a newbie - = comparing to the most of people here - but I really love this list. Sharing ideas, comments, and meet people (in person or virtually) that = have the same interests is a great thing that this list (thanks Kim = !)make possibile and that every day give me more interest in = making/thinking of music. Before my subscription to the LD list, I felt like a strange kind of = guy.... the most part of musicians I've meet in years and years don't = knew anything about looping. They just talk about technical ability (how = to be speed, mostly) in jazz improvvisation or rock.=20 It was frustrating for years composing my own music with looping, = absolutely lonely in my home-studio. Rarely (but sometimes it happened) = I found someone attreacted by looping. So it was amazing when I discover this list, and that there is a lot = of other people sharing the same interests, even in different = directions. Soon... Bernhard Wagner invited me to play in Zurich, last year, where = I've meet a lot of interesting guy.=20 I collaborated with Kris to the Xperimentus CD project. I join in the LD Compilation Vol. 3. Worked on the CT-Collective Film = project; Started my own "Great Speeches Project"; and this October I'll = go to play at the Y2K6 (thanks, Rick). It was as fast as stimulating !=20 I'm breathing new air now ! Thank Kim, happy looping anniversary. fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml ------=_NextPart_000_111A_01C6D005.40D9D770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm all in agreement with you, = Fabio!  I also=20 joined in 2004, and this has been the most enriching, informative, and=20 gratifying group I've belonged to. I'm made some great friends from all = over the=20 world and US, and I've played with some great musicians.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, September 04, = 2006 6:14=20 AM
Subject: Per Boysen and I - 10h = LD=20 birthday

Hi people, =
it's my personal = contribution to=20 the 10th anniversary of this list.
 
Yesterday night I = jammed with Per=20 Boysen and Eva Almer (They come here in Rome after a perfomance in = Andria,=20 where Zoe Keating had her performance too). It was amazing. He's a very = very interesting person=20 and an inspiring musician too ! (Per....,when you'll read this = message: Thanks=20 again, and sorry for my bad english: I'd love to talk more with you, = not only=20 about music).
For me it was a great = Sunday in=20 Rome.
So yesterday night, = before=20 sleeping, I was thinking about how interesting and stimulating is this = list in my life, as a musician.
 
I subscribed to this = list in=20 2004. So I can say that  I'm a newbie - comparing to the most of = people=20 here - but I really love this list.
Sharing ideas, = comments, and meet=20 people (in person or virtually) that have the same interests is a = great thing=20 that this list (thanks Kim !)make possibile and that every day = give=20 me more interest in making/thinking of music.
 
Before my = subscription to the LD=20 list, I felt like a strange kind of guy.... the most part of musicians = I've=20 meet in years and years don't knew anything about looping. = They just=20 talk about technical ability (how to be speed, mostly) in jazz = improvvisation=20 or rock.
It was frustrating = for years=20 composing my own music with looping, absolutely lonely in my = home-studio.=20 Rarely (but sometimes it happened) I found someone attreacted by=20 looping.
So it was amazing = when I discover=20 this list, and that there is a lot of other people sharing the=20 same interests, even in different directions.
 
Soon... Bernhard = Wagner invited=20 me to play in Zurich, last year, where I've meet a lot of interesting guy. =
I collaborated with = Kris to the=20 Xperimentus CD project.
I join in the LD = Compilation Vol.=20 3. Worked on the=20 CT-Collective Film project; Started my own "Great Speeches = Project"; and=20 this October I'll go to play at the Y2K6 (thanks, Rick).
 
It was as = fast as=20 stimulating !
I'm breathing new air = now=20 !
Thank Kim, happy = looping=20 anniversary.
 
fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
http://www= .vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast.xml
= ------=_NextPart_000_111A_01C6D005.40D9D770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 15:58:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266F83BECC; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53097D95-AB51-4726-8C93-522E664BCA4D@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Is it possible to amp switch while running a rack looper? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:53:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Ken at Soundsculpture.com used to make a device called the Head Trip, but I'm not sure if he's making it any more. You may want to check out a Switchblade 8B, although I think it would only help you if you had two cabinets. Check out www.soundsculpture.com Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 17:41:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB073BF65; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <113201c6d049$691a9e60$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Streaming Live Recorded Material Now Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:41:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_112F_01C6D017.1D9E0BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_112F_01C6D017.1D9E0BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm just using up some of my streaming bandwidth here in case anyone = wants some background music while they work around the house read, = etc...I'm streaming hours and hour of live improvisational looping = material from me, and others on LD playing with me (Rick, Jeff Kaiser, = Rainer, Tony K, Ted, etc). http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click listen) Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_112F_01C6D017.1D9E0BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm just using up some of my streaming = bandwidth=20 here in case anyone wants some background music while they work around = the house=20 read, etc...I'm streaming hours and hour of live improvisational looping = material from me, and others on LD playing with me (Rick, Jeff Kaiser, = Rainer,=20 Tony K, Ted, etc).
 
http://krispen.serverroom.us:= 9030/ (click=20 listen)
 
Cheers,

Kris
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
My=20 Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/= krispen-hartung=20
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_112F_01C6D017.1D9E0BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 04:19:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC2B3BF63; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K3jCj4In0EvLO7Z1SOxPYztmAMqhfdFAVRoLxUAnikVD7CWHL+nWIOK6mq66ehlMnCGDuHCDmjhXSDL+xojHpmb99co9ebwoCICmz9IgxS1I35woXhyBU8R0hvk+UEJHCW7SBsLQh90QbEJWhJIONZkrt7jNwExXnpdjQe1J1Xc= ; Message-ID: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <53097D95-AB51-4726-8C93-522E664BCA4D@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 would be great. Thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 04:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0A83BF78; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JDVN96vdHRikX+bjZ/9kfPqU3VoYoSsp8h/rZr6OfxGHndTmrVsJQFt0G1FW73ClJCDx4edW/jgddshbNZwfu/CW29uZGsrlOePDq+pKT0691wr+LOlchkHmYUN3n0WELi/DgEt9SpCDgC4w0rOiVn43VoWJF5ggStpoAX4Ma0c= ; Message-ID: <20060905043132.97053.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, sounds like the sm82 would probably do the job for u. check it out! http://www.rane.com/ cheers Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > would be great. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 04:53:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3700B3BF76; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:53:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 04:53:17 +0000 (UTC) It seems everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! I've been sleuthing around on Google Videos and YouTube...found this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hlkwWt0nI It's from hulooper. Anyone know this chap? It's not bad...very well done, showing the basic principles of the EDP, decent multi-instrumentalist. I remember a year or so ago, I found nothing on the web for live looping videos, and now they are everywhere...it's officially borderlining a commodity now....I think. What is an experimental and avant-garde looping artist to do in such a market but keep getting weirder and weirder.... :) The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 05:08:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8E13BF80; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:08:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:08:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all=20= > that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty=20 > terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once everyone=20= got a computer with midi on it..... The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small,=20= but it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a=20= looper, but they can't buy creativity.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 05:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9558D3BF83; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <31133c81f2ae1b02b45263ec31f4c018@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:18:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <_QVAHD.A.45D.hiQ_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Or maybe it would be cool if people could buy creativity....or at least=20= rent it..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Sep 4, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all=20= >> that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty=20= >> terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. > > > What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... > > I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once=20 > everyone got a computer with midi on it..... > > The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small,=20= > but it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. > > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a=20= > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 05:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05DE83BF80; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060905043132.97053.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8elhi.A.PAE.FjQ_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Thats what I have, an Rane SM82,I like it alot, sure would like to find out who the guy is who modified David Torn's so that the single stereo effects loop was modified to be two independent effects loops, Does anyone know if David revealed that when he, sniff... used to be on the list...sniff... The only rack mixer I know of that seems to be pretty common, that has two sets of stereo effects loops, is the old Yamaha MV 802 which is a cool peice that even has a vca volume pedal out for controlling the overall volume, but its drawback is it requires 2 rack spaces.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) Hey Mark, sounds like the sm82 would probably do the job for u. check it out! http://www.rane.com/ cheers Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > would be great. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 05:34:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F12A3BF8C; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=O2ZAGB7LUiFpKG4zygGOu2hQapSJdJqgFsnqG7888g83BZXjhGlNttdDz/INfhxe; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13411512.1157434488267.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 01:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48e6eab482eec5ad7fc54e34ad0c52a6d4f0dc0b2615eb44cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:34:49 +0000 (UTC) hey i got one like this Mark if ya want it http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-M-120-line-mixer-rack-mountable_W0QQitemZ110024570013QQcmdZViewItem -----Original Message----- >From: William Walker >Sent: Sep 5, 2006 1:19 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) > >Thats what I have, an Rane SM82,I like it alot, sure would like to find out >who the guy is who modified David Torn's so that the single stereo effects >loop was modified to be two independent effects loops, Does anyone know if >David revealed that when he, sniff... used to be on the list...sniff... The >only rack mixer I know of that seems to be pretty common, that has two sets >of stereo effects loops, is the old Yamaha MV 802 which is a cool peice that >even has a vca volume pedal out for controlling the overall volume, but its >drawback is it requires 2 rack spaces.. >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:32 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) >revisited! (?) > > >Hey Mark, >sounds like the sm82 would probably do the job for u. >check it out! >http://www.rane.com/ >cheers >Luis > >--- mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey >> >> I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding >> now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my >> submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good >> single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or >> two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 >> would be great. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 06:11:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A92943BF83; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 06:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joseph Cavanagh" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 02:09:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6d0b1$df21c940$0201a8c0@HOME> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 06:11:23 +0000 (UTC) I recognized the clip. I'm doing extensive research into the live = looping phenomenon preparatory to launching a radio show, to be called 'Moebius Trips.' The performer is Arthur Lee Land. There's a ton of his music (audios = and videos) that can be reached from his website: = http://www.arthurleeland.com. See also his spot in Myspace: http://myspace.com/arthurleeland. Huloop = is not the performer, he just posted the clip. What appeals to me about = Land's music is that it is so, well, musical. Search 'Live Looping' in Myspace and you'll come up with at least a = couple hundred loopers on just about as many instruments it seems! Everything = from Classical through Experimental to Noise. Who knew? =20 =20 Joe Cavanagh -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! It seems everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! I've been = sleuthing around on Google Videos and YouTube...found this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D49hlkwWt0nI It's from hulooper. Anyone know this chap? It's not bad...very well = done,=20 showing the basic principles of the EDP, decent multi-instrumentalist. I remember a year or so ago, I found nothing on the web for live looping = videos, and now they are everywhere...it's officially borderlining a=20 commodity now....I think. What is an experimental and avant-garde = looping=20 artist to do in such a market but keep getting weirder and weirder.... = :)=20 The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all = that=20 remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty terrain.=20 Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 07:03:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD823BF89; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:03:30 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) Message-ID: <16E2F235FD25FF35E54CEC70@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <6LlBz.A.U8G.ZFS_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:03:53 +0000 (UTC) I use a couple of Rolls RM203 mixers and really like them. Each has 10 stereo tracks with a single effects loop. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5BCA3BF65; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4245.68.106.68.50.1157473709.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) That's Arthur Lee (http://www.arthurleeland.com/), and yeah, he's great! Very straight-forward, but very tasteful and entertaining. I ran across his stuff a few months ago, and watching his videos (there are a ton on his site) really helped me understand some of the basic EDP functions in a practical way. Fun stuff! --Josh > It seems everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! I've been > sleuthing around on Google Videos and YouTube...found this one: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hlkwWt0nI > > It's from hulooper. Anyone know this chap? It's not bad...very well done, > showing the basic principles of the EDP, decent multi-instrumentalist. > > I remember a year or so ago, I found nothing on the web for live looping > videos, and now they are everywhere...it's officially borderlining a > commodity now....I think. What is an experimental and avant-garde > looping > artist to do in such a market but keep getting weirder and weirder.... :) > The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all that > remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty terrain. > Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. > > Kris > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 17:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997593BF3A; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:59:00 -0600 Message-Id: <200609051759.k85Hx0W01421@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <24xKPD.A.1J.rrb_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:59:08 +0000 (UTC) > That's Arthur Lee (http://www.arthurleeland.com/), and yeah, he's great! And just so you don't feel too bad about it Kris, he did his time here on Loopers Delight for a while back a few years ago so he paid his looping dues before making the video :-) > > It seems everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! I've been > > sleuthing around on Google Videos and YouTube...found this one: Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 21:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3389F3BF1C; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:53:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #492 for August 31, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44FDE3C6.8040804@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:01:31 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060831.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #492 August 31, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was the Deluxe Edition of "Dreams" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on Synkronos Music and released in 1987. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Nightcrawlers Glimmer Shadows of Light (Synkronos) VA [Chuck Van Zyl] Dromos (edit) E-dition #14 (Groove) Wavestar Departure Mindjourney (Groove) Different Skies 2004 She Calls Arcs & Angles (Atomic City) Cassiel Dragon's Domain Listen/Move (Atomic City) Cassiel The Cathcart Circle Listen/Move (Atomic City) Cassiel Insidious Sedation Listen/Move (Atomic City) Walters Under The Dry Well (Core Dump) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze A Classical Move Dreams (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Five To Four Dreams (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Dreams Dreams (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Flexible Dreams (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Klaustrophony Dreams (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight will be of "Octane" on Somewhere Else Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Beauty in the Beast" by Wendy Carlos on Audion Records and released in 1986. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 21:22:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 855C73BF39; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:20:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for August, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44FDEA32.7050808@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/top20aug.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for August, 2006. Shows #488 to #492; 3-August-2006 to 31-August-2006 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Binar - Spindragons - Ricochet Dream Bruno Sanfilippo - InTRO - ad21 Cassiel - Listen/Move - Atomic City Free System Projekt - Moyland - Quantum John Duval - Hell's Canyon - Binary Klaus Schulze - Body Love - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Das Wagner Desaster, CD1 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Das Wagner Desaster, CD2 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Dreams - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Mirage - Revisited Max Corbacho - The Talisman - ad21 Nattefrost - Absorbed in Dreams and Yearning - Groove Robert Carty - Sun Tales - Deep Sky Sound Commandos - Sound Commandos - Blue Water Steve Roach - Storm Surge - NEARfest Team Metlay - Bandwidth - Atomic City Various Artists - E-dition #14 - Groove Various Artists - Awakenings 2006 Vol. 2 - AmbientLive Various Artists - Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 - AmbientLive Wavestar - Mindjourney - Groove Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 22:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70923BF20; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:02:17 -0600 Message-Id: <200609052202.k85M2HW05363@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Kaoss pad in a guitar anyone X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Intersting step by step of putting a Kaoss pad into a guitar. Hope this isn't old hat to everyone. http://unmaintained.blogspot.com/2006/09/phils-kaoss-pad-guitar-mod.html Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 01:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DAC03BF22; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44FE2312.1050302@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:23:30 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <203jjD.A.D0H.YMi_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... Isn't that supposed to be included with the new Repeater? Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 01:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4942A3BF19; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 01:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:37:06 EDT Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1157506626" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <8vXDTD.A.XZ.HZi_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 01:37:12 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1157506626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would agree with that. People can buy into something by means of gear but in itself it's no substitue for creativity and stretching the possibilities. Mark _http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art_ (http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art) http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------1157506626 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would agree with that.
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 -------------------------------1157506626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 02:03:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2953BF28; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13be01c6d158$ac2ebff0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <31133c81f2ae1b02b45263ec31f4c018@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:03:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Some day, some brand new day in the cosmos of technology...when Cycling 74 builds their brain module, creativity too will be downloadable as a 30 day demo.... :) Just part of the master plan of MAX/MSP.... AND, I am compelled to finally say I am now the proud owner of MAX/MSP....now I just need to figure out how to use the damn thing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Or maybe it would be cool if people could buy creativity....or at least rent it..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Sep 4, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all >> that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty >> terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. > > > What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... > > I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once everyone > got a computer with midi on it..... > > The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small, but > it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. > > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 02:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB2103BF2B; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iVCUUdzJqW4fYRKUNWhhBf7cNdN9UQr/bM3F3v8EPIeu9HBegrGQsTSWwLA77lggrkHyE3tNtssNibYqoF81QroIac6Htkn3mFn1s8sIJO9DoKQt7v1PfvTqqy6dVug43HCpz/h786ZxVPrSaNAb7OxJDm4cfxEpfti/xVGlXjI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:12:52 -0400 From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) In-Reply-To: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <53097D95-AB51-4726-8C93-522E664BCA4D@midway.uchicago.edu> <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:12:54 +0000 (UTC) I have an old Rocktron G612 that I might sell. It has some pretty great features.12 channels (you can divide into 2 banks of 6), 2 stereo FX loops, 2 separate stereo outs. Check out the PDF manual here: http://www.rocktron.com/support/manuals/index.html I sorta delighted in the purchase but don't really use it much, been thinking ebay . . . ns On 9/5/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > would be great. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:14:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E563BF23; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:14:18 +0000 (UTC) does that use a wall wart or does it have an internal power supply? Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nick Schillace [mailto:americansketch@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) I have an old Rocktron G612 that I might sell. It has some pretty great features.12 channels (you can divide into 2 banks of 6), 2 stereo FX loops, 2 separate stereo outs. Check out the PDF manual here: http://www.rocktron.com/support/manuals/index.html I sorta delighted in the purchase but don't really use it much, been thinking ebay . . . ns On 9/5/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > would be great. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:40:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4883BF27; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:49:54 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Message-id: <001e01c6d167$8409a8a0$b98aa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3DjkFC.A.6DE.RMk_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:40:01 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to mention that I my looping creativity is for sale in period of 1hr. Bundle-pricing starts after 5 hours... While I'm at it, my soul can be purchased for 1/2 price on Saturdays. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all > that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty > terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once everyone got a computer with midi on it..... The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small, but it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a looper, but they can't buy creativity.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:52:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBD7E3BF28; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b801c6d167$d79487b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:52:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Krispen wrote: "I remember a year or so ago, I found nothing on the web for live looping videos, and now they are everywhere...it's officially borderlining a commodity now....I think." The reason for this sudden outpouring is probably not the proliferation of live loopers, Kris, as much as the unbelievable proliferation of Youtube in the last year and a half that has , in the last six months emerged from dozens of small video sites and sparked Yahoo and Google to start the same kind of service. I was reading the other day that youtube.com in a year and a half is suddenly streaming 30,000,000 videos a day. There rise is just unprecedented. I"ve started making looping videos myself in the past six months largely because there has been a place to place them. By the way, I started the Experimental Abstract Minimal Video Group there if anyone is interested. My videos, using a cheesy Radio Shack early digital camera and toy, battery operated lighting effects that allow me to make very lo fi visual looping videos are at http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=looppool I'm making these videos to express myself and also to give a visual looping element to my next CD of Abstract Electronica, ORANGE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:56:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4379C3BF2C; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13f601c6d168$65d43d90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c6d167$8409a8a0$b98aa344@hppav> Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:56:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:56:16 +0000 (UTC) David, do you do PayPal? :) At least your soul is for sale...mine reach its expiration date long ago.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! >I just wanted to mention that I my looping creativity is for sale in period > of 1hr. Bundle-pricing starts after 5 hours... While I'm at it, my soul > can be purchased for 1/2 price on Saturdays. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! > > > > On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all >> that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty >> terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. > > > What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... > > I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once everyone > got a computer with midi on it..... > > The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small, > but it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. > > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:58:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2173BF38; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Repeater MKII news? Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:53:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 03:58:26 +0000 (UTC) I don't have any idea if this is genuinely news worthy, or whether it's more of the same old speculation. So someone please set me straight if this is all bullshit. I hit upon this page just now when searching for Repeater MKII updates: http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~electrixrepeater.htm They are showing a ship date of Jan/Feb 07. Of course I don't take the date all that seriously given Electrix's history, but have they been forthcoming about an actual ship date for the Repeater MKII previously? Maybe (maybe??) this is for real? Also, there is a lengthy list of features for the MKII. Has a detailed list like this appeared elsewhere before? Or is this also old news? Anyway, I am not getting my hopes up, but maybe someone out there has some more info. to go on?? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 04:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AA773BF28; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a+UFUdbAGuIL2DyM94D5vmQJKhJT6OnBoNS9dRBzU6SP8/qETrd7ayEyg51PncQ9cJxVhtQgbLeZyVvLYQriCK+YahmsY6XIdqq7uleHHJiyKhA9/aCK/pE5on/pd00zbjEoH5swOILZgPYIMj415XN6kSW4jI6w3p3yVW40MBU= ; Message-ID: <20060906043001.83864.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44FE2312.1050302@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:30:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm positive that when the new Repeater is released it will have that. No doubt in my mind. As soon as it ships... --- Brian Good wrote: > Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, > that someone can buy a > > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... > > Isn't that supposed to be included with the new > Repeater? > > Brian > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 04:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9D63BF37; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1jp8w/tM1g+GwSVcgHm4GCVuy7y+bnSI+8XdF8JED111np4bUuLC1kvq0aMDxHUlsI6SdiWHiBwLFiBfyTtxvFI/jJ7qS8Z7OOBQOtcVr7W7k9if6Uv7gXnqm9bX7KGHopRfSvQQFVUF6KCjUVjIpjnInyKkPxz3j42qXURdGpU= ; Message-ID: <20060906043210.13665.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:32:11 +0000 (UTC) >From the looks of the manual pdf I see wall wart. --- William Walker wrote: > does that use a wall wart or does it have an > internal power supply? > Thanks > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Schillace > [mailto:americansketch@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with > stereo effect loop(s) > revisited! (?) > > > I have an old Rocktron G612 that I might sell. It > has some pretty > great features.12 channels (you can divide into 2 > banks of 6), 2 > stereo FX loops, 2 separate stereo outs. Check out > the PDF manual > here: > > http://www.rocktron.com/support/manuals/index.html > > I sorta delighted in the purchase but don't really > use it much, been > thinking ebay . . . ns > > On 9/5/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Hey > > > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm > finding > > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved > my > > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a > good > > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop > or > > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > > would be great. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 06:55:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEB33BF26; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:55:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Repeater MKII news? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1054596776==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120ae6b07d9759971b31089f4b2cd8474db425eb2f8038ba5fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.33 Resent-Message-ID: <8uOYXC.A.DSB.aDn_EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:55:22 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1054596776==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I love this tidbit: CompactFlash memory: Carry your performance in your pocket! Cards range from 8MB to 256MB and are available wherever digital cameras are sold. HA HA HA HA HA.... good luck getting a 'hitachi controller chipset' CF card at a camera store... I thought we were up to 8GB cards by now.... My MK1 can use a 512, in any case.... >I don't have any idea if this is genuinely news worthy, or whether >it's more of the same old speculation. So someone please set me >straight if this is all bullshit. > >I hit upon this page just now when searching for Repeater MKII updates: > >http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~electrixrepeater.htm > >They are showing a ship date of Jan/Feb 07. Of course I don't take >the date all that seriously given Electrix's history, but have they >been forthcoming about an actual ship date for the Repeater MKII >previously? Maybe (maybe??) this is for real? > >Also, there is a lengthy list of features for the MKII. Has a >detailed list like this appeared elsewhere before? Or is this also >old news? > >Anyway, I am not getting my hopes up, but maybe someone out there >has some more info. to go on?? > >Jeff -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1054596776==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Repeater MKII news?


I love this tidbit:

CompactFlash memory: Carry your performance in your pocket! Cards range from 8MB to 256MB and are available wherever digital cameras are sold.

HA HA HA HA HA.... good luck getting a 'hitachi controller chipset' CF card at a camera store... I thought we were up to 8GB cards by now.... My MK1 can use a 512, in any case....



I don't have any idea if this is genuinely news worthy, or whether  
it's more of the same old speculation. So someone please set me straight if this is all bullshit.

I hit upon this page just now when searching for Repeater MKII updates:

http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~electrixrepeater.htm

They are showing a ship date of Jan/Feb 07. Of course I don't take the date all that seriously given Electrix's history, but have they been forthcoming about an actual ship date for the Repeater MKII previously? Maybe (maybe??) this is for real?

Also, there is a lengthy list of features for the MKII. Has a detailed list like this appeared elsewhere before? Or is this also old news?

Anyway, I am not getting my hopes up, but maybe someone out there has some more info. to go on??

Jeff


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--============_-1054596776==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 16:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66473BF14; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8e8f2c1493264e28b56e84805738f346@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) From: MD Subject: OEM Flashcard for Repeater Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:31:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Question: Has anyone used this compact flash card in a Repeater? I have always used Simpletech http://www.amazon.com/OEM-1GB-Turbo-High-Speed-150x-Compact-Flash-CF/ dp/tech-data/B000G72H12/ref=de_a_smtd/102-8420110-3002548?ie=UTF8 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 16:45:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A996A3BF11; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FgES/oL/qMNOWSAwO4E3221OofZkSdKLkRPLGqbb/f8R8JLX+wHfhpYamMufJvx2X5+XK9B0YIhiwN963aiDdE8P7fz5PiAwp2Z1SFsd4z++qf0O7Iy0vg4nZ+2IhzmRYuagZn3+nHCS1VFXK+4ByGLZBAdpWtE5MX84e+UnuKg= ; Message-ID: <20060906164552.89189.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater MKII news? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:45:54 +0000 (UTC) The last "news from Electrix" post in their forum was in 2005. If they really had a solid ship date wouldn't they post it? My advice is to not think about it until you see one in person. --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I don't have any idea if this is genuinely news > worthy, or whether > it's more of the same old speculation. So someone > please set me > straight if this is all bullshit. > > I hit upon this page just now when searching for > Repeater MKII updates: > > http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~electrixrepeater.htm > > They are showing a ship date of Jan/Feb 07. Of > course I don't take > the date all that seriously given Electrix's > history, but have they > been forthcoming about an actual ship date for the > Repeater MKII > previously? Maybe (maybe??) this is for real? > > Also, there is a lengthy list of features for the > MKII. Has a > detailed list like this appeared elsewhere before? > Or is this also > old news? > > Anyway, I am not getting my hopes up, but maybe > someone out there has > some more info. to go on?? > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 17:04:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2FB3BF1B; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XQDkS99VKTNbsgsCXTCMPfiNPI8j5PjPPnMPWIE/4yjWaURSrCQCMDz2JqDZuOiP0XPuOuD+lWojypc2ozCDP34pFxGIw4v3Ti92hx1m6oaAXY5jMHk2cJwNOplUjvJ/OulFnQrSrv5RHbdr96sS0WoyBVHCGxmrnm7GNssFXwg= Message-ID: <913728d60609061004j742e87baw239a2e0d0032967d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:04:47 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Repeater MKII news? In-Reply-To: <20060906164552.89189.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060906164552.89189.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:04:49 +0000 (UTC) i agree with mark...electrix (if they are still even around...i'm skeptical) knows that there are enough people who want the new repeater, and if they knew the date, they'd let us know...not through some other website, but their own, and if electrix doesn't know to advertise their own information on their own website, i really feel sorry for them :) they should hire me to do stuff like that ;) as with everyone else, i will believe the repeater mk2 when i see it :) Charlie On 9/6/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > The last "news from Electrix" post in their forum was > in 2005. If they really had a solid ship date > wouldn't they post it? My advice is to not think > about it until you see one in person. > > --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > I don't have any idea if this is genuinely news > > worthy, or whether > > it's more of the same old speculation. So someone > > please set me > > straight if this is all bullshit. > > > > I hit upon this page just now when searching for > > Repeater MKII updates: > > > > > http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~electrixrepeater.htm > > > > They are showing a ship date of Jan/Feb 07. Of > > course I don't take > > the date all that seriously given Electrix's > > history, but have they > > been forthcoming about an actual ship date for the > > Repeater MKII > > previously? Maybe (maybe??) this is for real? > > > > Also, there is a lengthy list of features for the > > MKII. Has a > > detailed list like this appeared elsewhere before? > > Or is this also > > old news? > > > > Anyway, I am not getting my hopes up, but maybe > > someone out there has > > some more info. to go on?? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 22:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B50E3BF01; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31962273.1157580136469.JavaMail.root@sf1434> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:02:16 +1200 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:02:29 +0000 (UTC) RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Me too, and some hardware project photo's to boot, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEY_m1WMMZg http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/guitarworkstation/ Jacob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 02:00:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BACC13BF0C; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: OT: Bootlegging Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <31962273.1157580136469.JavaMail.root@sf1434> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:00:19 +0000 (UTC) http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=3Dhmf7h9u9n2qvbub219825= Speaking of which, anyone have any old gabriel genesis I could listen = to? Please contact privately. ~peace~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 02:02:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9993BF04; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Bootlegging Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:57:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:02:27 +0000 (UTC) > eaking of which, anyone have any old gabriel genesis I could listen > to? Please contact privately. Search for Genesis traders at db.etree.org and then hit then up for a B&P, if you have nothing to trade. Or, if you can get an account, join dimeadozen.org and get some using bit torrent. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 02:08:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360043BF17; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dp0HqroJO/YjzkTMVpscIbrv+6LQ8O3G4EeU4m6SkMEsvJxoYyyp5DmbtXhEYmwS+or2fLfCIMTrlWjKL0KdaoQF39nI1MtAuedO5VW33XyDrnEymDhv4s+SFyJ5ocpqOMrk/dTAPsdFwYiivGfUMaBrOMbOkSCmiGAE5a9g778= Message-ID: <588ce11d0609061908m7d2342d6m56952f572eb241ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:08:28 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OEM Flashcard for Repeater In-Reply-To: <8e8f2c1493264e28b56e84805738f346@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8e8f2c1493264e28b56e84805738f346@cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:08:30 +0000 (UTC) I haven't, but it probably won't work. The repeater has pretty fussy requirements: the CF needs a "Hitachi Controller" which _some_ SimpleTech cards used to have. They are getting harder to find. Check out the repeater yahoo users group. On 9/6/06, MD wrote: > Question: Has anyone used this compact flash card in a Repeater? I > have always used Simpletech > > > http://www.amazon.com/OEM-1GB-Turbo-High-Speed-150x-Compact-Flash-CF/ > dp/tech-data/B000G72H12/ref=de_a_smtd/102-8420110-3002548?ie=UTF8 > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 03:34:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610153BF11; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:44:38 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Message-id: <000c01c6d22f$f256aba0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c6d167$8409a8a0$b98aa344@hppav> <13f601c6d168$65d43d90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Caveat emptor :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:56 PM Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! > David, do you do PayPal? :) At least your soul is for sale...mine reach > its expiration date long ago.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! > > > >I just wanted to mention that I my looping creativity is for sale in period > > of 1hr. Bundle-pricing starts after 5 hours... While I'm at it, my soul > > can be purchased for 1/2 price on Saturdays. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:08 AM > > Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! > > > > > > > > On Sep 4, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> The deep-end gets deeper, and I keep slicing into the rough until all > >> that remains is rough....just a fairaway of rough, weeds, and nasty > >> terrain. Ahhhh. Makes me want to hit a few. > > > > > > What are you drinking tonight, Krispen? Pour me one.... > > > > I used to think that I would be out or work as a composer once everyone > > got a computer with midi on it..... > > > > The looper is and has been a commodity for a while. It may seem small, > > but it is significant enough for Roland and others to put them out. > > > > Thank the gods that Artists aren't a commodity, that someone can buy a > > looper, but they can't buy creativity.... > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 03:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FDE73BF0C; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0609061908m7d2342d6m56952f572eb241ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e8f2c1493264e28b56e84805738f346@cox.net> <588ce11d0609061908m7d2342d6m56952f572eb241ed@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93cf65ae913d8604694bb47d5917bd2c@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OEM Flashcard for Repeater Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:46:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Good price though. Yes they are quite finnicky. I use Simpletech. I love the Repeater. I have 2 Echoplexes, but find myself using the Repeater everyday. This seems like a very good deal on a 1g SimpleTech. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000309W6A/ref=pd_rvi_gw_2/102 -8420110-3002548?ie=UTF8 take care On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I haven't, but it probably won't work. The repeater has pretty fussy > requirements: the CF needs a "Hitachi Controller" which _some_ > SimpleTech cards used to have. They are getting harder to find. Check > out the repeater yahoo users group. > > On 9/6/06, MD wrote: >> Question: Has anyone used this compact flash card in a Repeater? I >> have always used Simpletech >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/OEM-1GB-Turbo-High-Speed-150x-Compact-Flash-CF/ >> dp/tech-data/B000G72H12/ref=de_a_smtd/102-8420110-3002548?ie=UTF8 >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 08:49:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F15673BEF8; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60609061004j742e87baw239a2e0d0032967d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060906164552.89189.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60609061004j742e87baw239a2e0d0032967d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8c9ea7c7abbd4f974be6a1fa52c79040@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Looping in Big Sur.... Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 01:49:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Hanging out...the woods...the sea...come on by.....and hey, it's=20 free....part of a poetry thing..... Saturday, September 9 Henry Miller Library, Big Sur Free 1-2pm Jeff Kaiser: trumpet and laptop Noah Phillips: prepared electric guitar and electronics. 4-5pm Jeff Kaiser Noah Phillips Zachary Watkins: laptop, bent circuits 7 pm Jeff Kaiser, Noah Phillips and Zachary Watkins perform a call and=20 response with the 315 Poets. More info: http://jeffkaiser.com/events.html best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 10:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E3E3BEFA; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:19:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44FFF224.8090409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:28:00 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on ARC, featuring Ian Boddy and Mark Shreeve. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Octane" on Something Else Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Beauty in the Beast" by Wendy Carlos on Audion Records and released in 1986. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 14:14:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE57E3BEF8; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 272461883 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC95D2@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:14:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6D287.E588C653" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:14:18 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D287.E588C653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I would agree with that. People can buy into something by means of gear but in itself it's no substitue for creativity and stretching the possibilities. << I think "garageband" has proved this beyond all reasonable doubt. you can give away the tools, "for free", & make them easy to use, but it doesn't create a whole new generation of great songwriters, or even a few mediocre songwriters. in fact, it fosters disillusionment. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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I think "garageband" has proved this beyond all reasonable doubt. you can give away the tools, "for free", & make them easy to use, but it doesn't create a whole new generation of great songwriters, or even a few mediocre songwriters. in fact, it fosters disillusionment.
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D287.E588C653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 16:50:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D044F3BEF8; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:49:19 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? Anything to transform emotion into music. Some quotes: Joan LaBarbara: "Voice is the original instrument" Brian Eno: "The studio is an instrument" I agree to both... Anything you use to transform your emotion into music and you couldn't do it without "...fill in whatever, VST's, strings, amps..." is part of your instrument, you're not playing guitar, your playing an amplified VST-guitar. The effect on its own won't be an instrument for most people (as for a lot electric guitarist the guitar alone wouldn't be their instrument either). But already a self oscillating filter could easily turn into an instrument with lots of expression... Definitely a turntable in the hand of a hot DJ is an instrument, in my hands its not... Astonishingly a philosophical point of view didn't arrive yet: Does an instrument exist without musician? Does the wood exist without observer...? Back to the word effect: An effect is usually not only related to electronic devices, its something which makes an effect. A lot of effects have been used in music history. Often just as an hommage to a certain fashion. I'd say better avoid effects for the sake of being an effect, it might not work anymore next week... ;-) Nonetheless anything which is fashionable could also follow a musical meaning and thus being a crucial part of a certain piece of music... You can tell if was musically interesting when the fashion is over ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 17:39:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEBC3BEFE; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:39:09 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [OT] New Release Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Sorry for off topic.. my new release information. this is my 4th solo album from own label,electr-ohm. USED UP AND EMPTY / Sunao Inami electr-ohm TCCD-20061(CD only) Audio Track: 11tracks, 49min07sec total. Live recorded at Frontline (Gent,Belgium) and I'Usine (Geneva,Switzerland) in March 2006 Data Track: And extra bonus track is 45min15sec mp3 file,this is audience recorded official bootleg live track. Live recorded at RIC'S ART BOAT in Brussels,17th March 2006. More details: http://www.electr-ohm.com/en/label.html Review: http://www.connexionbizarre.net/reviews/r_sunaoinami_uuae.htm You can get it from: http://www.electr-ohm.com or http://www.myspace.com/electrohm Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 18:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D91B3BEFC; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAFH+/0SBT4l7AQECBwQKBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:21:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Krispen asks >>So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? and some time later Stefan chips in >Anything you use to transform your emotion into music and you >couldn't do it without "...fill in whatever, VST's, strings, >amps..." is part of your instrument, you're not playing guitar, your >playing an amplified VST-guitar. >The effect on its own won't be an instrument for most people (as for >a lot electric guitarist the guitar alone wouldn't be their instrument either). which is rather hard on the guys who try and show off their technique, as you don't allow they have an instrument :-) >Astonishingly a philosophical point of view didn't arrive yet: or any thoughts bringing the thread back to looping, which was what I had hoped >Does an instrument exist without musician? >Does the wood exist without observer...? the unobserved cupboard door I banged my head on surely existed, ...felt like it anyway >Back to the word effect: An effect is usually not only related to >electronic devices, its something which makes an effect. A lot of >effects have been used in music history. but does the instrument itself have a musical function? "There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his music." ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". does the functionality of the looping device in some way participate in the creation of music? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 20:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA00C3BEE9; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:51:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <1FvmLC.A.10H.FZIAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:51:17 +0000 (UTC) I wish I could participate here and bring this back to looping, but my day job is killing me....I come up for air next week. But I can say one thing that relates it to looping units and effects used while looping: Definitions of a musical instrument: "any of various devices or contrivances that can be used to produce musical tones or sounds" http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn "A musical instrument is a device that has been constructed or modified with the purpose of making music. In principle, anything that produces sound, and can somehow be controlled by a musician, can serve as a musical instrument; but the expression is reserved generally to items that have that specific purpose." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_instrument So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an instrument in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that don't require audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and simple definition to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An effect processor doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters it...which is we call them "effects"....they effect the audio input they received, even if beyond recognition. Just more food for thought.... Kris out.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > > Krispen asks >>>So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? > > and some time later Stefan chips in >>Anything you use to transform your emotion into music and you couldn't do >>it without "...fill in whatever, VST's, strings, amps..." is part of your >>instrument, you're not playing guitar, your playing an amplified >>VST-guitar. >>The effect on its own won't be an instrument for most people (as for a lot >>electric guitarist the guitar alone wouldn't be their instrument either). > > which is rather hard on the guys who try and show off their technique, > as you don't allow they have an instrument :-) > > >>Astonishingly a philosophical point of view didn't arrive yet: > > or any thoughts bringing the thread back to looping, which was what I had > hoped > >>Does an instrument exist without musician? >>Does the wood exist without observer...? > > the unobserved cupboard door I banged my head on surely existed, > ...felt like it anyway > > >>Back to the word effect: An effect is usually not only related to >>electronic devices, its something which makes an effect. A lot of effects >>have been used in music history. > > but does the instrument itself have a musical function? > > "There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. > One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a > helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is > unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his > music." > ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". > > does the functionality of the looping device in some way participate in > the creation of music? > > andy butler > > From alerts@wamu.com Thu Sep 7 21:47:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1870 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:47:59 UTC Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254853BEDD for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:47:58 +0000 (UTC) X-ORBL: [68.126.111.153] Received: from mayo31 (adsl-68-126-111-153.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [68.126.111.153]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with SMTP id k87LG4YL022855; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:16:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200609072116.k87LG4YL022855@ylpvm29.prodigy.net> From: Subject: Profile Locked Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:50:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Washington Mutual customer
 


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 23:48:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1235E3BEE2; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--1022895972 From: Steve Lawson Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:48:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <3f8t5C.A.ZTF.o_KAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16--1022895972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> I would agree with that. People can buy into something by means of gear but in itself it's no substitue for creativity and stretching the possibilities. << I find it amazing that some players are incredibly secretive about the technology and techniques involved in their performances, as though that's where the magic is... Clearly, that's total balls, as anyone who's witnessed one of the half a million 'weekend warrior' bands around the globe with the most incredible equipment thanks to well paid day jobs still not being able to play a decent version of Mustang Sally, let alone generate much of substance in terms of original music. And, of course, the opposite - incredible music coming from the crappiest of crap equipment. Great albums on four track cassette machines, shite music on tens of thousands of pounds worth of state of the art gear. Great gear can remove obstacles to getting the music out that's inside you, and crap gear can prove to be a creatively inspiring framework within which to work, but the creative quality is clearly not innate to either end of the gear spectrum. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-16--1022895972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>=A0I would agree = with that.
People can buy = into something by means of gear but in itself it's no substitue for = creativity and stretching the possibilities.=A0<<


I find it amazing that some players are = incredibly secretive about the technology and techniques involved in = their performances, as though that's where the magic is... Clearly, = that's total balls, as anyone who's witnessed one of the half a million = 'weekend warrior' bands around the globe with the most incredible = equipment thanks to well paid day jobs still not being able to play a = decent version of Mustang Sally, let alone generate much of substance in = terms of original music. And, of course, the opposite - incredible music = coming from the crappiest of crap equipment. Great albums on four track = cassette machines, shite music on tens of thousands of pounds worth of = state of the art gear. Great gear can remove obstacles to getting the = music out that's inside you, and crap gear can prove to be a creatively = inspiring framework within which to work, but the creative quality is = clearly not innate to either end of the gear = spectrum.=A0


http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-16--1022895972-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 00:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67853BEF0; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n8ntcapuGE608Au0kT4mhPAmO6zfbJcqERW9cKL8IINV4nwL2WznwZLDbKQRIwk/t+2JR565Q5oSju/1nktsj8NtaMzz24FUktSqI0TaLlbsWcckSzmDnXC8HhV2cJ13TlhLP3o/4Sms8Ya3IFj/qKaLgVYUo32rCUgdpJYh80E= ; Message-ID: <20060908000040.45948.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1708679041-1157673640=:20189" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4N_QRC.A.uuF.rKLAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:00:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1708679041-1157673640=:20189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kris cites two definitions of instrument and then says... So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music and transform it. A looping device IS a tool, a means to an end - something to augment the sound you're making from something else. And, as such, I think this may also be a reason why some people (i.e. most of the general populus) isn't drawn to performers that only qualify themselves as a 'looper', as if a 'looping' needs no further explaining. I mean, would you go to a concert that is advertised as 'the guitarist has a distortion pedal', 'the cellist plays with a bow and her fingers', or 'the drummer has cymbals'??? And if something's a device or a tool, then what matters is the end result. If I'm a carpenter, people shouldn't hire me because I own $500 chisels - they should hire me because of the work I've done before. As a musician, there needs to be some positive effect on myself and/or my audience. (And if you add money to that, then things can get screwy.) And how you affect others isn't coming from your effects, but through them. When I hear a piece of music, I rate it on how it affects my mind and my heart. We've all heard music that's technically fabulous and you look at their gear list and say 'wow' but if it doesn't affect your heart and be memorable, then chances are it won't stay in regular rotation. To paraphrase: it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. And swing don't come in the box with your looper. ted harms. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1708679041-1157673640=:20189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kris cites two definitions of instrument and then says...

So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, according
to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by themselves,
otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music and transform it.
A looping device IS a tool, a means to an end - something to augment the sound you're making from something else.
 
And, as such, I think this may also be a reason why some people (i.e. most of the general populus) isn't drawn to performers that only qualify themselves as a 'looper', as if a 'looping' needs no further explaining.
 
I mean, would you go to a concert that is advertised as 'the guitarist has a distortion pedal', 'the cellist plays with a bow and her fingers', or 'the drummer has cymbals'???
 
And if something's a device or a tool, then what matters is the end result.  If I'm a carpenter, people shouldn't hire me because I own $500 chisels - they should hire me because of the work I've done before.
 
As a musician, there needs to be some positive effect on myself and/or my audience. (And if you add money to that, then things can get screwy.)  And how you affect others isn't coming from your effects, but through them.
 
When I hear a piece of music, I rate it on how it affects my mind and my heart.  We've all heard music that's technically fabulous and you look at their gear list and say 'wow' but if it doesn't affect your heart and be memorable, then chances are it won't stay in regular rotation.
 
To paraphrase: it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.  And swing don't come in the box with your looper.
 
 
ted harms.


"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1708679041-1157673640=:20189-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 02:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31DB33BEE6; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j5seJwHx9pYcX8ioBGn03MmCLavYQBgaWkhLpiT75/99QKtXVBpTpHIa+EKZ+X3rNa4h9G8xSKSyo34BdxMLX0QnDVklGCmLixnr9yHlhgXksgDNv3F66HdQCVwyqSL0NVlghRLWL6GhXoAbVlGo8rTTmi4JTOCLe1GE+75Akd8= Message-ID: <913728d60609071911j47362062h1409716d63af53e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:11:44 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: slightly OT: Here's a piece of electrix gear i bet nobody has yet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.com/Electrix-Preamp-Mixer-CD-Player-Store-Display-Rare_W0QQitemZ330025147188QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3278QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem part of me wants this...the other part is sane :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 02:15:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E412E3BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,227,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="273045612:sNHT37766868" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:05:59 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Immersions:Music and Video Improvisation this Saturday, 119 Gallery , Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090208.4500D0BB.004B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm delighted to announce the next Immersions event, which will happen on Sept. 9 at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. The last event there was exciting and enjoyed by all -- do check this one out. The lineup Doctor T -- Video Improvisation Dean (Deknow) Stiglitz Electro Flute Ramona Herboldsheimer - Hammered Dulcimer Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and Percussion I'm joining three of my favorite musical coconspirators in our first Immersion show of the fall season. The music will be a blend of jazz, exploratory ambience, and abstract improvisation, and we expect a mind-stretching synergy of music and visuals. 119 Gallery (http://www.119gallery.org) is a splendid, bright performance space located at 119 Chelmsford Street in Lowell, phone 978-452-8138 . Suggested donation is $5.00 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From service@paypal.com Fri Sep 8 02:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5650 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:39:21 UTC Received: from mail.mhome.pl (server19320152134.serverpool.info [193.201.52.134]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 167373BEE1 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26950 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 01:54:52 +0200 X-Mail-Scanner: Scanned by qSheff-II-2.1 (http://www.enderunix.org/qsheff/) Received: from unknown (HELO User) (www@86.107.102.10) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 01:54:52 +0200 From: "service@paypal.com" Subject: Payment sent to sales@configure.us.dell.com Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:55:45 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060908023918.167373BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; \ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 04:53:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26BF83BEE9; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 04:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vof3Gn2bO/R5LmK3rNus5APO15oJubnZ4/4zeruJPIwe9e1vbvar0eerKyLgz7hG86eWI0WS6bPz92TWVZa9SRHMfYg7AT1DObl1CXDANEpQCWl6HLMQBnTPWn2etNosXeBstBzMQC8fS+LWOBiLBtygKJWuaFaHIFyFvArf62Y= Message-ID: <6df9336a0609072153o659049dbpaddb99c41167653c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:53:22 -0700 From: skincage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: dark ambient/noise/live looping in NYC this Sunday night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <2RLDXD.A.heF.EdPAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 04:53:25 +0000 (UTC) howdy loopers. if any of you fine folks are in the NYC area i'd like to invite you to the following: DARK AMBIENT, EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONICS, INDUSTRIAL, NOISE UNSOUND @ The Lucky Cat brought to you by AEX & ANNIHILVS Sept 10 / 9pm - 2am the [law-rah] collective - darkambient.net, pflichtkauf, spectre skincage - homemade sonic weaponry from tucson, az | skincage.com navicon torture technologies w/ matt slagle | annihilvs.org 245 Grand St | Williamsburg, Brooklyn www.theluckycat.com Full bar & cafe serving vegetarian pizza, panini and salad All UNSOUND shows are $5 18+ to enter, 21 to drink booze info at http://www.aex.org/unsound/ thanks, and i hope to see you there. jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 05:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD853BEE9; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <171901c6d304$524bd830$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6df9336a0609072153o659049dbpaddb99c41167653c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: dark ambient/noise/live looping in NYC this Sunday night Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:04:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I wish I could be there, but I am stuck here....crunching budgetary numbers.....though, it's 11pm my time and even though I'm stiill working, I have a cigar hanging out of my mouth and a bottle of cabernet sauvignon at my side.... Will you be recording the event? All you guys who coordinate events like this, you should try to record them more often and make them available in MP3 format. Share the love, man.... ...back to the grind stone. Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "skincage" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: dark ambient/noise/live looping in NYC this Sunday night > howdy loopers. if any of you fine folks are in the NYC area i'd like > to invite you to the following: > > DARK AMBIENT, EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONICS, INDUSTRIAL, NOISE > UNSOUND @ The Lucky Cat brought to you by AEX & ANNIHILVS > > Sept 10 / 9pm - 2am > > the [law-rah] collective - darkambient.net, pflichtkauf, spectre > skincage - homemade sonic weaponry from tucson, az | skincage.com > navicon torture technologies w/ matt slagle | annihilvs.org > > 245 Grand St | Williamsburg, Brooklyn www.theluckycat.com > Full bar & cafe serving vegetarian pizza, panini and salad > > All UNSOUND shows are $5 18+ to enter, 21 to drink booze > > info at http://www.aex.org/unsound/ > > thanks, and i hope to see you there. > > jon/skincage > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 06:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ADA03BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <173501c6d312$d321d640$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060908000040.45948.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: : "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:48:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1732_01C6D2E0.87B2FF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:48:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1732_01C6D2E0.87B2FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris cites two definitions of instrument and then says... So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, = according=20 to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by = themselves,=20 otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music and = transform it.=20 A looping device IS a tool, a means to an end - something to augment = the sound you're making from something else. KH: You are preaching to the choir here....I think what you say = follows intuitively from the definitions, unless you can find a looping = devive out there that will produce music on its own, without audio = input. So this point need not be belabored. And, as such, I think this may also be a reason why some people (i.e. = most of the general populus) isn't drawn to performers that only qualify = themselves as a 'looper', as if a 'looping' needs no further explaining. KH: I think you are confounding "looper" as tool with "looper" as = human being. We are talking about looping tools here, not musicians who = loop. In this case, I think we are establishing consensus that a looping = device is a tool, and not an instrument....based on the above = definitions. So, I'm not sure what the relevance is in introducing the = idea of the "looping human" in this particular discussion of discussing = tools and instruments. I mean, would you go to a concert that is advertised as 'the guitarist = has a distortion pedal', 'the cellist plays with a bow and her fingers', = or 'the drummer has cymbals'??? KH: I don't follow you here. I'm not sure how we jumped from talking = about objects to performers. We are talking about instruments, and what = counts as an instrument. And if something's a device or a tool, then what matters is the end = result. If I'm a carpenter, people shouldn't hire me because I own $500 = chisels - they should hire me because of the work I've done before. KH: It doesn't matter, but again you are introducing an entirely = different topic here. I'm not sure what context you are commenting on = here, but I am focusing on the notion of an instrument, and whether = certain effect units, looping units, etc....count as instruments. Yes, = in the end, the quality of the final result shouldn't be impacted by = whether we're using a tool or instrument....theoretically, at least. :) = But that is a diffferent topic altogether. As a musician, there needs to be some positive effect on myself and/or = my audience. (And if you add money to that, then things can get screwy.) = And how you affect others isn't coming from your effects, but through = them. KH: Why? What dictates that this is necessarily the case? Some art = has a negative impact on audiences, and it is sucessful in doing so. = There is no absolute positive and negative, only emotive reaction, in my = opinion. If I achieve an emotion response as an artist, whether = construe as positive or negative, I consider my art a success. We can't = dicate the responses of our art. Positive, negative? Bahhhh.....that's = too fuzzy to use as a criteria for good art, IMO. When I hear a piece of music, I rate it on how it affects my mind and = my heart. We've all heard music that's technically fabulous and you = look at their gear list and say 'wow' but if it doesn't affect your = heart and be memorable, then chances are it won't stay in regular = rotation. KH: This is entirely subjective. What moves you may not move someone = else, and what you percieve as overtly technical and sterile, may be = very moving to someone else. There are no absolutes in this domain of = art.....can you find one? To paraphrase: it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. And = swing don't come in the box with your looper. KH: Subjective. You are making a claim about our own personal = emotions, not the absolute character of music....unless you've done some = experiment and prove your claim that "it don't mean a thin if ain't got = that swing". Some people loath swing music. Swing does come in a = box...it's called a CD player....a digital replication of big band, for = instance. We are still talking about objects, right? I'd rephrase with, "It don't mean a thing"...period. :) Kris ted harms. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, = middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc = Goddard -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great = rates starting at 1=A2/min. ------=_NextPart_000_1732_01C6D2E0.87B2FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kris cites two definitions of instrument and then says...
So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, = no,=20 according
to the above, unless they can be used to produce music = by=20 themselves,
otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take = music=20 and transform it.
A looping device IS a tool, a means to an end - = something to=20 augment the sound you're making from something else.
 
KH:  You are preaching to the = choir=20 here....I think what you say follows intuitively from the definitions, = unless=20 you can find a looping devive out there that will produce music on its = own,=20 without audio input. So this point need not be belabored.
 
And, as such, I think this may also be a reason why some people = (i.e.=20 most of the general populus) isn't drawn to performers that only=20 qualify themselves as a 'looper', as if a 'looping' needs no = further=20 explaining.
 
KH: I think you are confounding = "looper" as tool=20 with "looper" as human being.  We are talking about looping tools = here,=20 not musicians who loop. In this case, I think we are establishing = consensus=20 that a looping device is a tool, and not an instrument....based on the = above=20 definitions. So, I'm not sure what the relevance is in introducing the = idea of=20 the "looping human" in this particular discussion of discussing tools = and=20 instruments.
 
I mean, would you go to a concert that is advertised as 'the = guitarist=20 has a distortion pedal', 'the cellist plays with a bow=20 and her fingers', or 'the drummer has cymbals'???
 
KH: I don't follow you here. I'm not = sure how we=20 jumped from talking about objects to performers. We are talking about=20 instruments, and what counts as an instrument.
 
And if something's a device or a tool, then what matters is the = end=20 result.  If I'm a carpenter, people shouldn't hire me = because I=20 own $500 chisels - they should hire me because of the = work I've=20 done before.
 
KH: It doesn't matter, but again you = are=20 introducing an entirely different topic here. I'm not sure what = context you=20 are commenting on here, but I am focusing on the notion of an = instrument, and=20 whether certain effect units, looping units, etc....count as=20 instruments.  Yes, in the end, the quality of the final result = shouldn't=20 be impacted by whether we're using a tool or = instrument....theoretically, at=20 least. :)  But that is a diffferent topic = altogether.
 
As a musician, there needs to be some positive effect = on myself=20 and/or my audience. (And if you add money to that, then things=20 can get screwy.)  And how you affect others = isn't=20 coming from your effects, but through them.
 
KH: Why? What dictates that this is = necessarily=20 the case?  Some art has a negative impact on audiences, and it is = sucessful in doing so. There is no absolute positive and negative, = only=20 emotive reaction, in my opinion.  If I achieve an emotion = response as an=20 artist, whether construe as positive or negative, I consider my art a = success.=20 We can't dicate the responses of our art. Positive, negative?=20 Bahhhh.....that's too fuzzy to use as a criteria for good art,=20 IMO.
 
When I hear a piece of music, I rate it on how it affects = my mind=20 and my heart.  We've all heard music that's technically = fabulous and you look at their gear list and say 'wow' but = if it=20 doesn't affect your heart and be memorable, then chances are it = won't=20 stay in regular rotation.
 
KH: This is entirely subjective. What = moves you=20 may not move someone else, and what you percieve as overtly technical = and=20 sterile, may be very moving to someone else.  There are no = absolutes in=20 this domain of art.....can you find one?
 
To paraphrase: it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that=20 swing.  And swing don't come in the box with your looper.
 
KH: Subjective.  You are making = a claim=20 about our own personal emotions, not the absolute character of = music....unless=20 you've done some experiment and prove your claim that "it don't mean a = thin if=20 ain't got that swing". Some people loath swing music.  Swing = does=20 come in a box...it's called a CD player....a digital replication = of =20 big band, for instance. We are still talking about objects,=20 right?
 
I'd rephrase with, "It don't mean a=20 thing"...period.  :)
 
Kris
 
 
 
ted harms.


"Indeed, naturally I think that a film = should=20 have a beginning, middle, and an end =97 but not necessarily in that = order."=20 Jean Luc Goddard

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great=20 rates starting at 1=A2/min. ------=_NextPart_000_1732_01C6D2E0.87B2FF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 07:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D54B3BEF4; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:03:37 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #493 for September 7, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <450115C9.9020406@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:13:08 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060907.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #493 September 7, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Octane" on Somewhere Else Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Beauty in the Beast" by Wendy Carlos on Audion Records and released in 1986. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wendy Carlos That's Just It Beauty in the Beast (Audion) VA [Phochos] Moving Target E-dition #14 (Groove) Robert Carty The Open Shining Sun Tales (Deep Sky) Mind Team Metlay 0500 Ballistic (Atomic City) Team Metlay A Gathering of the Ballistic (Atomic City) Mighty Dweller at the Ouroborus Part 1 Ouroborus (Binary) Threshold Between Interval Autumn Continent Autumn Continent (Spotted Peccary) Between Interval Submerged Autumn Continent (Spotted Peccary) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Steam Octane (Something Else) ARC Who Walks Behind You Octane (Something Else) ARC Octane Octane (Something Else) ARC Turn and Face Me Octane (Something Else) ARC Relay Octane (Something Else) Ian Boddy Phoenix * Phoenix (Something Else) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Radio Sputnik" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Crystal Machine" by Tim Blake on Egg Records and released in 1977. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 08:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEBD33BEE4; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABLIAEWBT4l8AQECBwIMBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060908075511.01ab2628@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:39:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <20060908000040.45948.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060908000040.45948.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6-iylD.A.IuD.bxSAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Ted says >Kris cites two definitions of instrument and then says... > >So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, according >to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by themselves, >otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music and transform it. > >A looping device IS a tool, a means to an end - something to augment >the sound you're making from something else. Well, there's musicians who would apply that definition directly onto their instrument. ...and some who wouldn't. In the same way, a lot of people with a looping device would think of it merely as a way to create a couple of extra layers of whatever music they make with their instrument. > >And, as such, I think this may also be a reason why some people >(i.e. most of the general populus) isn't drawn to performers that >only qualify themselves as a 'looper', as if a 'looping' needs no >further explaining. > >I mean, would you go to a concert that is advertised as 'the >guitarist has a distortion pedal', 'the cellist plays with a bow and >her fingers', or 'the drummer has cymbals'??? 1) I don't remember any performers who refer to themselves as a "looper" like that 2) The instrument being used is often mentioned when an event is promoted, "Organ Recital" for instance. I call myself a "livelooping guitarist", it doesn't describe what I sound like, but then no short phrase begins to describe what I do. The music I make is all produced from the guitar, but also depends on the looping technology. The music I play has features that arise from the way I interact with the technology, to the extent that the music could not have existed by any other means. The public face of looping is generally a matter of reproducing music that would otherwise require a couple of extra guys to play some repeated phrases. I find that rather boring (in itself) and I can't imagine that "most of the general populous" are greatly excited by it. andy butler www.andybutler.com www.myspace.com/livelooper ps ( and for the 3-4 people still reading ;-) KH: You are preaching to the choir here....I think what you say follows intuitively from the definitions, unless you can find a looping devive out there that will produce music on its own, without audio input. So this point need not be belabored. AB: An acoustic guitar is an instrument, the resonating chamber is an amplifier. Remove the resonating chamber, and replace it with a physically separated electric amplifier, then the electric-guitar/amplifier combination is an instrument, all you've done is replaced one amplifier with another. In the same way that the buzzy bridge and sympathetic strings are part of a sitar, adding fx is part of the gtr-fx-amp instrument. With most musical instruments there's a direct one to one correspondence between a single action of the performer, and a single musical sound. This makes it seem that a looping device can't be "part of the instrument", surely the looping is something that happens to the music after it has been created? Indeed, it's possible to use the loop technology profitably in that way. Let's look at an example of an acoustic instrument, the orchestral harp. It's possible to imagine a series of notes and then play them on the harp, that's one way of playing it. It's also possible to interact with the instrument to produce glissandi, a case where more than one music event occurs from one gesture of the performer. So a musical instrument not only produces the notes, but can also be used interactively to produce musical structures specific to the instrument. The gtr-fx-looper-amp instrument can be used by the musician to produce music that could not have existed any other way. So I think it's possible for the looping device to also be part of the instrument. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 13:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 473013BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iIUjDQFsR1+PaQMTCS7D+Y14fhK1uoawC1EJ8eRqlp1F/UiJmNbig1mZeLG85SSZBHAAMf7J63aBiwqV1y9rUL7OgsmXVpvL1Rp4TqAPXhO9s0vA5Vzr86lNkcwfk/ALDUy9/CBB8ErnLJdr2mY4UoL7YA3pHxKIGmtUhiuLkMs= Message-ID: <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:40:01 +0100 From: "neil thomas" Sender: noisyneil@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping vocals In-Reply-To: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_105049_591054.1157722801067" References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41f57781e572ec77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:40:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_105049_591054.1157722801067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a Boomerang, which I bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, robust, easy to use, etc... but the problem was that the sample rate was quite low and it seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top end, which is essential for beatboxing. So... I tried two other pedals: The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it straight back, as I realised it had no input gain control, which meant that I couldn't use a mic straight in. I decided therefore that for a little extra money I could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample rate and extra delay effects, which I could use in other applications. So... The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for guitar - Crystal clear and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with vocals. Here lies the question... Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without colouring the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch the input between guitar and beatbox or both. The ideal solution would be an A/B/Y box with independent gain controls. Does anyone know of such a thing? This has been the bane of my creative life for some time now. If anyone can help, I'll give them my first-born iguana. Thanks. Neil x ------=_Part_105049_591054.1157722801067 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,

I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help.

I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a Boomerang, which I bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, robust, easy to use, etc... but the problem was that the sample rate was quite low and it seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top end, which is essential for beatboxing. So... I tried two other pedals:

The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it straight back, as I realised it had no input gain control, which meant that I couldn't use a mic straight in. I decided therefore that for a little extra money I could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample rate and extra delay effects, which I could use in other applications. So...

The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for guitar - Crystal clear and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with vocals.

Here lies the question...

Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without colouring the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch the input between guitar and beatbox or both. The ideal solution would be an A/B/Y box with independent gain controls. Does anyone know of such a thing?

This has been the bane of my creative life for some time now. If anyone can help, I'll give them my first-born iguana.

Thanks.

Neil x
------=_Part_105049_591054.1157722801067-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 13:49:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55FC3BEF0; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060908094857.lidqyjsrv7wg4o8g@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:48:57 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping vocals References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Neil, How was your system configured with the mic? I have an acoustic =20 and I loop my voice through my guitar mic but was thinking using my =20 main mic would give me a greater range of sounds. How do others do this? I prefer to be hands free and loop while I'm playing guitar which gets =20 looped as well. ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka Quoting neil thomas : > Hi, > > I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. > > I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a Boomerang, which I boug= ht > so that I could loop my voice. It was big, robust, easy to use, etc... but > the problem was that the sample rate was quite low and it seemed to cut of= f > a heck of a lot of top end, which is essential for beatboxing. So... I tri= ed > two other pedals: > > The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it straight back, as I realis= ed > it had no input gain control, which meant that I couldn't use a mic straig= ht > in. I decided therefore that for a little extra money I could have the Lin= e > 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample rate and extra delay effects, which I could u= se > in other applications. So... > > The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for guitar - Crystal clear an= d > easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with vocals. > > Here lies the question... > > Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without colouring th= e > tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch the input between guit= ar > and beatbox or both. The ideal solution would be an A/B/Y box with > independent gain controls. Does anyone know of such a thing? > > This has been the bane of my creative life for some time now. If anyone ca= n > help, I'll give them my first-born iguana. > > Thanks. > > Neil x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 14:06:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E413BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=qj76xxStoiKZx+e76aREFlRoeHdsDOoRwMIAEkFX1JnGMXW9HCVFWs2NixwkNgIuaNBFZojh8MRiPveLweMeVJ8kiTAnipGQqFpn7fXWKMaQw7bsBqIR/A7uRIQRIVXTcJ2yI4BPce556yjCZm6uyhUfW0jUIop93BP3Xe7xHzI= Message-ID: <55ec1d390609080706v26064a63n80734ac72a325c8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:06:15 +0100 From: "neil thomas" Sender: noisyneil@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping vocals In-Reply-To: <20060908094857.lidqyjsrv7wg4o8g@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_105429_25283214.1157724375736" References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> <20060908094857.lidqyjsrv7wg4o8g@www.michaelplishka.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fbe238a58a439080 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_105429_25283214.1157724375736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, I'm a little confused... I wasn't able to get it working, so I don't know why you're asking me! :o) ------=_Part_105429_25283214.1157724375736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, I'm a little confused...

I wasn't able to get it working, so I don't know why you're asking me!

:o)
------=_Part_105429_25283214.1157724375736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 14:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E1CA3BEF1; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:21:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Looping vocals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120044f1afd7dca1f12c082615dd2d5486ad10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:21:42 +0000 (UTC) You can use one of those Radio Shack mic to 1/4" barrel mounted transformers with pretty good results... THere are several loopers out there which have Mic inputs, too.... Boss RC-50, DIgitech GNX-3 and GNX-4... the Electro harmonic 2880, which by the way has independent gain controls for it's two inputs. >Hi, > >I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. > >I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a Boomerang, which >I bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, robust, easy to >use, etc... but the problem was that the sample rate was quite low >and it seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top end, which is >essential for beatboxing. So... I tried two other pedals: > >The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it straight back, as I >realised it had no input gain control, which meant that I couldn't >use a mic straight in. I decided therefore that for a little extra >money I could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample rate and >extra delay effects, which I could use in other applications. So... > >The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for guitar - Crystal >clear and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with vocals. > >Here lies the question... > >Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without >colouring the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch >the input between guitar and beatbox or both. The ideal solution >would be an A/B/Y box with independent gain controls. Does anyone >know of such a thing? > >This has been the bane of my creative life for some time now. If >anyone can help, I'll give them my first-born iguana. > >Thanks. > >Neil x -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 15:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DDA63BEE4; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig this sat night, Phila PA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:39:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing as set as part of Fishtasticon tomorrow night at the M Room on front and Girard in Fishtown. The show is hosted by a local arts group (positivespace.net) and there will be walls of paintins, sculpture, photos, up for one night as a gallery in addition to a set by Emusic Brenden Jinney, an acoustic jam by Proviso, and I'll be doing a twisted song/improv set as my cabaret character Tony Violence playing A casio PG380 and (gasp) singing actual songs with verses, choruses,lyrics and stuff. On topic items include I'm looping with an EH16 and in additon to my Fender Princeton and Tube screamer (how analog is THAT!) I'll be doing two songs on an Omnichord (the original with Cha-cha drum beats). Come out and see the puppets too: FISHTASTICON 2 hosted by OIL SLICK GANG The show is Saturday, Sep 9th at 8:00 PM. There is a $5 cover. The M-Room is located at 15 W Girard Ave in Fishtown, Philadelphia. Fishtasticon 2 is a truly unique combination of multigenre musical acts, paintings, photographs and mixed-media pieces from area artists, gathered in a half-gallery, half-concert, half barroom setting (that's three halves!) with an eye on entertainment and community activism. The event is a fundraiser for, and is created by, local arts organization PositiveSpace. Scheduled musical guests include Pro Viso, David Talento and Brenden Jinney. Featured fine artists include Simon Grigsby, Andrea W. Silva, Nick Silva, David Talento, Mike McJilton, Matt Hollerbush, Vick Aita, Rebecca Waleski and Cynthia Dietrich. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 17:11:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7A83BEEC; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:11:10 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping vocals References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) What you need is a mic preamp - to get the level up to match the guitar signal. Then just use any old A-B-Y footswitch to route those. Henry neil thomas wrote: > Hi, > > I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. > > I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a Boomerang, which I > bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, robust, easy to use, > etc... but the problem was that the sample rate was quite low and it > seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top end, which is essential for > beatboxing. So... I tried two other pedals: > > The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it straight back, as I > realised it had no input gain control, which meant that I couldn't use a > mic straight in. I decided therefore that for a little extra money I > could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample rate and extra delay > effects, which I could use in other applications. So... > > The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for guitar - Crystal clear > and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with vocals. > > Here lies the question... > > Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without colouring > the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch the input > between guitar and beatbox or both. The ideal solution would be an A/B/Y > box with independent gain controls. Does anyone know of such a thing? > > This has been the bane of my creative life for some time now. If anyone > can help, I'll give them my first-born iguana. > > Thanks. > > Neil x From noreply@sierracentral.com Fri Sep 8 17:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 773 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:28:17 UTC Received: from mail.cordblood.com (mail.cordblood.com [129.250.147.7]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1F93BEDB; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([207.40.40.17]) by mail.cordblood.com (Merak 8.5.0-5) with ASMTP id MAX12522; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:15:22 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Sierra Central Credit Union" Subject: URGENT : Update Your Personal data now Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060908172817.4D1F93BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sierra Central Credit Union Notification

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 18:39:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970FE3BEE9; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zMFTO0L363vbHhkI1EaQ00uVaomeCaAvXkeJBX+l2gRcro9O7DUBsrKRWD1sCmPa7J6MKdgeYoowDlmX2kpMjOBeVFQETmXFqIPWmMpHgEAzAWLsNo7k+Hljj6RC+/2TPme5dYHum54e52Hs9i3Fv8R9Ik6MOUVbFBuB/XgY0ME= ; Message-ID: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:39:01 +0000 (UTC) OK... I'm now thinking that my need for a mixer (thanks Stan!) may have been not all I need. I think what I need is a router/switcher as well. Please don't say "Switchblade" as that's way out of my price range although it looks like a perfect solution. Is there a poor man's switchblade? Here's my setup. Tell me how you'd do it. I've got 4 stereo line level instruments. I only need to hear one at a time... more would be fine but not all that important. I want the ability to A) Choose one to monitor and B) Choose whether or not it's routed through a true stereo effects loop. (none of this mono out, stereo in) Mostly I want to do this because I'm having a ball playing guitar with a sustainac while messing with the tone using an AirFX and/or a Korg KAOSS pad, but I don't want it in line all the time and I'd like the ability to route other instruments to them from time to time. The reason I say no to the switchblade is that for the money I'd actually be able to buy additional AirFX's and KAOSS pads and a Sustainiac C for my second guitar... but that's getting silly. Any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 19:42:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF6CA3BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bccUx0u9S7myRgls2KQUXYVZeuZHidoenU7oASAEzVo1HomYTaly0CuhT81awAcjO/OFSs0f9+AoRk/ZVUYMGrRwQ7h9unP4Cal1g8xQ2iBjwSMa+Av+K+DaC+81ITXHPeFRxhx7yFKk5Anc3JpCK9JhTBlPbd7BTBNuTEx8pf8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23195075-4CCA-4F08-ABBF-2A5D84573B18@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Broken FCB1010 pad Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:42:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 I thought I could ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly stopped working on my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there something one can do to fix it? The pedal has been treated fairly well. While traveling by aircraft I kept it in a super strong flight case that was checked in. Could it be that the changes in temperature and pressure may hurt electronics? Everything except for this damned Seventh Pad is working as usual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 19:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A545C3BEEA; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <23195075-4CCA-4F08-ABBF-2A5D84573B18@gmail.com> References: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <23195075-4CCA-4F08-ABBF-2A5D84573B18@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68AA37C3-6EAC-4D28-842B-65C24F66287A@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Broken FCB1010 pad Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:48:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: ffc46ae2-3f72-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdalUtCkV1 UkhJREJQFA9sCRYD DlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox11 SjQJdwpTZWNgbWkb HkFedwUaJlUZehkU P1JiVyUKY3gGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYW XRcBEDNnM2YvHn1q d1Q+I1J0 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Yikes! Sorry to hear about that Per... Behringer pedals are pretty easy to get fixed in the States and the UK. But I don't know about Sweden...doesn't appear on their service center list (http://www.behringer.com/05_support/service_centers.cfm? lang=ENG) On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 I thought I could > ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly stopped working on > my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there something one can > do to fix it? > > The pedal has been treated fairly well. While traveling by aircraft > I kept it in a super strong flight case that was checked in. Could > it be that the changes in temperature and pressure may hurt > electronics? Everything except for this damned Seventh Pad is > working as usual. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 20:09:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BFCC3BEE9; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3cGR3YPK3aEr2rxaC6pS2qbmYyKhur2r6lf8xCM2BBvPPYQRlp6SqS50MOGIz0eYrSC0o6LLxCfQjW4nLW1hmUDLBo/7h9wsprmIxYm/tqBBE05dSa64WLTzh1ch/meVrSkl/Y+salIugMnI+D1h+ztsgu91nC89Is6x6WCugwY= ; Message-ID: <20060908200938.30673.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Broken FCB1010 pad To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <68AA37C3-6EAC-4D28-842B-65C24F66287A@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_EqgFC.A.pwE.E4cAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Weird. My #7 pedal stopped working for a little while too, but with a little working it came back... I think I got it to work by pressing on it near it's front, rather than towards the back edge. I hope that helps. --- Zoe Keating wrote: > Yikes! Sorry to hear about that Per... > > Behringer pedals are pretty easy to get fixed in the > States and the > UK. But I don't know about Sweden...doesn't appear > on their service > center list > (http://www.behringer.com/05_support/service_centers.cfm? > > lang=ENG) > > > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 > I thought I could > > ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly > stopped working on > > my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there > something one can > > do to fix it? > > > > The pedal has been treated fairly well. While > traveling by aircraft > > I kept it in a super strong flight case that was > checked in. Could > > it be that the changes in temperature and pressure > may hurt > > electronics? Everything except for this damned > Seventh Pad is > > working as usual. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 20:22:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B123BEF5; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17cc01c6d384$8bca42b0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060908200938.30673.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Broken FCB1010 pad...MIDI Moose Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:22:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of MIDI pedels, I ordered the MIDI Moose last week! It finally popped up on an online store here: http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=41444&Category=MIDI_Interfaces 17" L x 3.6" W x 1.5" H (nice and compact) I'll let you all know how it works out, but I am buying this primarily to save space for traveling and to have a battery powered controller for street gigs (it gets fantom power from the MIDI cable too). Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Broken FCB1010 pad > Weird. My #7 pedal stopped working for a little while > too, but with a little working it came back... I think > I got it to work by pressing on it near it's front, > rather than towards the back edge. I hope that helps. > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> Yikes! Sorry to hear about that Per... >> >> Behringer pedals are pretty easy to get fixed in the >> States and the >> UK. But I don't know about Sweden...doesn't appear >> on their service >> center list >> > (http://www.behringer.com/05_support/service_centers.cfm? >> >> lang=ENG) >> >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 >> I thought I could >> > ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly >> stopped working on >> > my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there >> something one can >> > do to fix it? >> > >> > The pedal has been treated fairly well. While >> traveling by aircraft >> > I kept it in a super strong flight case that was >> checked in. Could >> > it be that the changes in temperature and pressure >> may hurt >> > electronics? Everything except for this damned >> Seventh Pad is >> > working as usual. >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> > www.looproom.com (international) >> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 20:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A98223BEF5; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p823cBoBegQ+C6Aj/xvJ85GEURqO6P+OfuC5d52oQ7YmedNEql7KPsahmUUQq7anXozZ8NUr8LH7CwZHQmOhuHSwSUY+9qn/5p9cL4L5mozGqmeZPvfO4G9NZym3Ps86n0NWX6tpZ0rLB2kBhaJ6ade3I76p77F3GejctynPXYI= Message-ID: <64b81a780609081354q48d23b4l7a6e315a66ef2c54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:54:36 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... In-Reply-To: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4Uv3sD.A.4LG.NidAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:54:37 +0000 (UTC) >From your description, I'd say that a decent mixer is probably overkill for what you want to do and certainly a pricier piece of gear like a Switchblade is a waste of money. It seems to me that you'd want a mixer with the following characteristics: - at least 4 stereo line level inputs - at least 1 stereo aux send (&return) for the effects loop At that point, you've got full control of which inputs (your instruments) are going to the final outputs and how much of each is being routed to the aux send (your effects). I'd imagine the following would be examples of mixers that would suit your need: - Behringer Eurorack UB2222 Mixer - Behringer Eurorack Pro RX1602 Line Mixer The sticking point may be a stereo aux send as I think most aux sends are mono. Of course, you can run two mono aux sends and treat them as a stereo pair. Otherwise, there's no reason you couldn't use the monitor out as a send, re-routing it back to an empty stereo input (or pair of mono inputs.) Just beware feedback loops caused by sending your return back out the effects loop. Todd On 9/8/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > OK... I'm now thinking that my need for a mixer > (thanks Stan!) may have been not all I need. I think > what I need is a router/switcher as well. Please > don't say "Switchblade" as that's way out of my price > range although it looks like a perfect solution. Is > there a poor man's switchblade? > > Here's my setup. Tell me how you'd do it. I've got 4 > stereo line level instruments. I only need to hear > one at a time... more would be fine but not all that > important. I want the ability to A) Choose one to > monitor and B) Choose whether or not it's routed > through a true stereo effects loop. (none of this mono > out, stereo in) > > Mostly I want to do this because I'm having a ball > playing guitar with a sustainac while messing with the > tone using an AirFX and/or a Korg KAOSS pad, but I > don't want it in line all the time and I'd like the > ability to route other instruments to them from time > to time. The reason I say no to the switchblade is > that for the money I'd actually be able to buy > additional AirFX's and KAOSS pads and a Sustainiac C > for my second guitar... but that's getting silly. Any ideas? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 20:58:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3023BEF7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780609081354q48d23b4l7a6e315a66ef2c54@mail.gmail.com> References: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780609081354q48d23b4l7a6e315a66ef2c54@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:54:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:58:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 8, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > From your description, I'd say that a decent mixer is probably > overkill for what you want to do and certainly a pricier piece of gear > like a Switchblade is a waste of money. Is a Switchblade 8B that much more expensive than a decent mixer? If the difference in price is not substantial, I say it's a no brainer-- Switchblade all the way. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 21:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564713BEF0; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Broken FCB1010 pad Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <23195075-4CCA-4F08-ABBF-2A5D84573B18@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:29:44 +0000 (UTC) sounds like one of the contact switches is bad, its starting to happen on my older one as well. I'll see if I can get some parts through the store i work at part time, but we just stopped dealing in behringer so I'm not sure how I'll get, with there customer service. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Broken FCB1010 pad Hi, Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 I thought I could ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly stopped working on my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there something one can do to fix it? The pedal has been treated fairly well. While traveling by aircraft I kept it in a super strong flight case that was checked in. Could it be that the changes in temperature and pressure may hurt electronics? Everything except for this damned Seventh Pad is working as usual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 22:02:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5FA3BEE7; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K4s+Lx+p71Qtkohj3p5Fhqjkffe1LWSbAU9irs0Q3qx8vTkFjcr1EPKo2hK63Lr8f47h+ywpjK+RGp/wF76jXdYXxTAL0VT8UcxqY6iRyj6xeegWU4J4374XMX9vU8bIOnnLyF7Cz4t59jFqNDyhBtE3M1Myc7E4WqsGC4PTTb0= ; Message-ID: <20060908220201.90669.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780609081354q48d23b4l7a6e315a66ef2c54@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:02:03 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to mention that I need it in rack form or else at mixer may do it. Maybe I'm asking too much and need to rethink things. --- Todd Pafford wrote: > From your description, I'd say that a decent mixer > is probably > overkill for what you want to do and certainly a > pricier piece of gear > like a Switchblade is a waste of money. > > It seems to me that you'd want a mixer with the > following characteristics: > - at least 4 stereo line level inputs > - at least 1 stereo aux send (&return) for the > effects loop > > At that point, you've got full control of which > inputs (your > instruments) are going to the final outputs and how > much of each is > being routed to the aux send (your effects). > > I'd imagine the following would be examples of > mixers that would suit your need: > - Behringer Eurorack UB2222 Mixer > - Behringer Eurorack Pro RX1602 Line Mixer > > The sticking point may be a stereo aux send as I > think most aux sends > are mono. Of course, you can run two mono aux sends > and treat them as > a stereo pair. Otherwise, there's no reason you > couldn't use the > monitor out as a send, re-routing it back to an > empty stereo input (or > pair of mono inputs.) Just beware feedback loops > caused by sending > your return back out the effects loop. > > Todd > > On 9/8/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > OK... I'm now thinking that my need for a mixer > > (thanks Stan!) may have been not all I need. I > think > > what I need is a router/switcher as well. Please > > don't say "Switchblade" as that's way out of my > price > > range although it looks like a perfect solution. > Is > > there a poor man's switchblade? > > > > Here's my setup. Tell me how you'd do it. I've > got 4 > > stereo line level instruments. I only need to > hear > > one at a time... more would be fine but not all > that > > important. I want the ability to A) Choose one to > > monitor and B) Choose whether or not it's routed > > through a true stereo effects loop. (none of this > mono > > out, stereo in) > > > > Mostly I want to do this because I'm having a ball > > playing guitar with a sustainac while messing with > the > > tone using an AirFX and/or a Korg KAOSS pad, but I > > don't want it in line all the time and I'd like > the > > ability to route other instruments to them from > time > > to time. The reason I say no to the switchblade > is > > that for the money I'd actually be able to buy > > additional AirFX's and KAOSS pads and a Sustainiac > C > > for my second guitar... but that's getting silly. > Any ideas? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 22:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DE1E3BEF0; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:49:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) what about open circuit players? Also: what makes a guitar an instrument? The wood? The strings? The=20 frets? Tuners? They all add up to make an instrument....as do those little things we=20 call "effects".......The instrument is what WE use to make music.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Sep 7, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to=20= > produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical=20 > "tools" that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an=20= > instrument in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that=20 > don't require audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and=20= > simple definition to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An=20= > effect processor doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters=20 > it...which is we call them "effects"....they effect the audio input=20 > they received, even if beyond recognition. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 22:49:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EF183BEE8; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sKEdf+2eWBOVfbrOcaaEuU6ztg+8Mro5F92XnQEP1Q4HFonGt1oHmDnGPHCZhX7mJ6STWRHlBz2peMglhmN3Yh6szxDGvW2uLaHwHwhlwLU1VgHT5dgS5rNmBzKyWsCssD+dgrwMZKwYR1DG+OrooBLYWo3i3U/3B07SBcvUkFo= ; Message-ID: <20060908224935.10739.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:49:36 +0000 (UTC) It's substantial enough. One can get a mixer decent enough for my ears for $400 or so while the cheapest Switchblade seems to run around $1000. --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > > > From your description, I'd say that a decent mixer > is probably > > overkill for what you want to do and certainly a > pricier piece of gear > > like a Switchblade is a waste of money. > > Is a Switchblade 8B that much more expensive than a > decent mixer? If > the difference in price is not substantial, I say > it's a no brainer-- > Switchblade all the way. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 22:53:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524723BEEA; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060908224935.10739.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060908224935.10739.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <266F1920-8C14-4924-9455-7B26245FDDB2@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:49:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2Ju3tC.A.uHC.7RfAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:53:47 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:49 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > It's substantial enough. One can get a mixer decent > enough for my ears for $400 or so while the cheapest > Switchblade seems to run around $1000. Ok, fair enough then. I thought the 8B was around $800 or so, but you're right--it's actually $1020. I also wasn't sure what a decent mixer would cost--they tend to vary in price, so I wasn't sure what model or features would be considered "decent". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 23:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757883BEEA; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HLaFUSwNwOnNWGlMkWEyHaKz4AgbJH7iRpvUsW8SxgArlecAXpfw7wz8/63FZUTh1x6lOl9z6dF+0qMcntLec+9beRewDbM6jxDCi4s+HewLvfPlrayujVIDSpuQwXnNHLa5ghiSbqDZSkmsxm4ei80blQm8u7ni3EOG5ocynCQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780609081634y503bdfdfrf91ce65dce6768d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:34:15 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... In-Reply-To: <266F1920-8C14-4924-9455-7B26245FDDB2@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060908224935.10739.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <266F1920-8C14-4924-9455-7B26245FDDB2@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Keep in mind that often what drives the price of a "good" mixer above that of a lesser mixer are the mic pre-amps. In Mark's case, he doesn't care about the mic pres because he's running all line level instruments. He could potentially save a few bucks. Note, Mark, that the Behringer line mixer I mentioned in a previous post is a single rack unit. I'd double check that it's got the routing flexibility that you need though. Todd On 9/8/06, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:49 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > It's substantial enough. One can get a mixer decent > > enough for my ears for $400 or so while the cheapest > > Switchblade seems to run around $1000. > > Ok, fair enough then. I thought the 8B was around $800 or so, but > you're right--it's actually $1020. I also wasn't sure what a decent > mixer would cost--they tend to vary in price, so I wasn't sure what > model or features would be considered "decent". > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 00:02:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2088B3BEE8; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:03:49 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig ideas for solo acoustic Message-ID: <20060909000349.GA5890@funkytown.ralph> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:02:59 +0000 (UTC) hey all, lookin' for a little input. I've had the opportunity to do some solo acoustic work and really would like to. Being that I don't sing, I'm not sure about what to all do. There not pressure jobs. Restaurant/coffee shop atmosphere where I would be there more as background music than watched as a performance. I just don't wanna get up there and "jam" all night. I use my echoplex at home alot for fun and have been using backing tracks via computer for bar work with bands for a while, so I have tools at my disposal. Just looking for some direction ideas or any advice. thanks, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 04:47:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6C1F3BEE7; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5tq+vJAWYvcIGLq1OUmeDV88ZW0TdlaW4x6ijMl3wKri6PuW6oEoj/sAuDBp4uK3HhB41PaBFIPmaU77GfVZs5hJU9Nxzry9Ph1LBqoTqQFG6F1k6nnDu0EMGH/J7XQMVX3uY1YKLbNB+nehngQF2EJPgOThNq4/g2gKHgKx0Fw= ; Message-ID: <20060909044757.42088.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780609081634y503bdfdfrf91ce65dce6768d4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5HOYG.A.pTD._dkAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I looked at that one and it's the old mono out into stereo return. Sigh. Most mixers seem to be this way. Silly, it seems like a throw back to pre electronic instruments that are by their nature stereo. It's almost impossible to find a guitar amp modeler that doesn't output stereo. Anyway, I'm still sniff'n around. Looks like the Rane will do it but it's kind of expensive. --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Keep in mind that often what drives the price of a > "good" mixer above > that of a lesser mixer are the mic pre-amps. In > Mark's case, he > doesn't care about the mic pres because he's running > all line level > instruments. He could potentially save a few bucks. > > Note, Mark, that the Behringer line mixer I > mentioned in a previous > post is a single rack unit. I'd double check that > it's got the > routing flexibility that you need though. > > Todd > > On 9/8/06, Jeff Shirkey > wrote: > > > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:49 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > It's substantial enough. One can get a mixer > decent > > > enough for my ears for $400 or so while the > cheapest > > > Switchblade seems to run around $1000. > > > > Ok, fair enough then. I thought the 8B was around > $800 or so, but > > you're right--it's actually $1020. I also wasn't > sure what a decent > > mixer would cost--they tend to vary in price, so I > wasn't sure what > > model or features would be considered "decent". > > > > Jeff > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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IUQNYDPRQEULPBXVKKHEUDZJCKJLQOOFIPBZGF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 06:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4F53BEEC; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45025BA2.2010504@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:13:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stratoculture live at the keene music festival References: <20060909052437.23567.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060909052437.23567.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <31321B.A.aCF.wulAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Very cool stuff, Michael. I especially like segments 5 and 2 (quite an amazing ostinato towards the middle to last half of that one). Pretty mysterious where the sounds are coming from...nice work with modest equipment. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > my friend and i recently performed at a local music > festival, mostly dominated by "ordinary" (e.g. boring) > music. we weren't scheduled to play but we set up > anyways and played two approximately hour-long sets of > experimental electronic music. > > for the show, my friend played a turntable and a kaoss > pad, and i took his outputs and used them as fodder > for loops and sampling and general live sound > creation, using an rc-20xl, a bunch of guitar pedals > and an old akai s2000 (with no samples loaded into it > initially, i used it essentially as a multitimbral > looper / sound generator). > > i would say the style is a kind of mix of psychedelic > dark ambient industrial noise, etc. you be the judge. > so far 5 segments (the first performance) uploaded, > the next 4 (from the second performance) to come. > the url is www.soundclick.com/stratoculture > > feel free to comment good or bad. enjoy, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 06:52:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8F63BEEC; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:52:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:52:35 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > what about open circuit players? If we go by the definitions that I cited, I'd say their bent circuits are instruments. They are used to create the music, rather than take music from an instrument, "effect" it, and then spit it out. > Also: what makes a guitar an instrument? The wood? The strings? The frets? > Tuners? Again, if we use those definitions as a basis, then a guitar is an instrument because it physically produces the music. > They all add up to make an instrument....as do those little things we call > "effects".......The instrument is what WE use to make music.... But according to the definition, I would say most effects are not instruments, rather they are "effectors" of instruments, or the sound that instruments produce. I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's say we call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the painter, meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the canvas and produce what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit awkward to say this, but bear with me. Then let's say that when the painter finishes his piece, he puts it on display and places a rose colored sheet of Plexiglas in front of the painting, so that the original visual sense data are then altered to appear different colors. We could call this the "effector" of the visual sense data, which in this case is the paint, which was applied by the brush. In the case of the definitions I was citing, I would consider an effect processor similar to that of the Plexiglas and the guitar similar to that of the paint and paintbrush....all awkwardness aside with the lack of a perfect parallelism. It's the like the window dressing I have referred to many times when describing effects vs. the original tone of the guitar. You peel all those effects away, the layers of colored Plexiglas, and what you get is the uneffected output of the instrument. Of course, if we change the definitions, then we change all these answer I've provided. I'm just playing the logician here...cranking out the deductions from the definitions. It's a rather safe and uninspiring approach, as it requires no commitment to any hard believe about what "is" or "is not" an instrument, rather what is or is not an instrument based on what definition we choose to start with. :) Language Games.....our friend Wittgenstein comes back to haunt us yet again! This is all just self-indulgent analytical-linguistic gymnastics bullshit, and I'm knee deep in it. Pick a definition, any definition... Kris > In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to > produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" > that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an instrument > in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that don't require > audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and simple definition > to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An effect processor > doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters it...which is we call > them "effects"....they effect the audio input they received, even if > beyond recognition. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 07:34:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0840A3BEE8; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V5HDdm/o52ufBAvwLJ0EEISEXONQXocKIDKwvMjI8lvANIWg8vRH3FdkGDE7B9xHmqFAJPUQd2RFPJ/KHbeEFfmNOAuukGUULXIQWbKoDTEc7rfWsgIf9BeQILVZ8qx44cXcd/58oMQ29uAuxU/0NvV1hVdU3TqvRg4BpjNGHsw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060909000349.GA5890@funkytown.ralph> References: <20060909000349.GA5890@funkytown.ralph> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: gig ideas for solo acoustic Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:34:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:34:11 +0000 (UTC) On 9 sep 2006, at 02.03, rick wrote: > I've had the opportunity to do some solo acoustic work and really > would > like to. Being that I don't sing, I'm not sure about what to all do. > There not pressure jobs. Restaurant/coffee shop atmosphere where I > would be there more as background music than watched as a performance. > I just don't wanna get up there and "jam" all night. > > I use my echoplex at home alot for fun and have been using backing > tracks via computer for bar work with bands for a while, so I have > tools > at my disposal. > > Just looking for some direction ideas or any advice. Instead of "jamming" you can decide on a bunch of compositions. Make them up by yourself or simply pick up some standards. Then use the Echoplex to build the different parts of a song as separate loops. You may use an octave pedal or tuned down guitar string for bass lines, or double up on other instruments as well. The trick is to lay down the parts in the right order so you can use Multiply, Reverse, SUSSubstitute etc to create the needed song parts while you play live over them. To do this is actually more about planning than plain playing. You have to put a good deal of thinking into it to get started, but when you are done you have also learned some usable live looping concepts for Instant Composing that you may as well use for making "jamming" a bit more audience friendly ;-) For a better (stereo) sound with a single (mono) Echoplex you can tap the signal through a low cut filter into a stereo reverb effect loop (using a mixer). With a beautiful stereo reverb lifting your high end notes you don't have to play, or loop, much to imply interesting musical scenarios. It often works better live to simply imply the tune than to really play it out into every single detail. For the audience the thrill is the moment when they recognize harmony and direction in your playing, rather than sitting through long periods when you work hard to create delicately detailed loops. Bottom line is you should practice on not overdoing things and finding quick ways to create as many "magic moments" as possible; i.e. the moment when melodies are first felt to lock into each other musically. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 07:57:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3863BEF1; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAcQAkWBT4l/AgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060909085329.01aadbf8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:58:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:57:54 +0000 (UTC) >I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's >say we call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the >painter, meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the >canvas and produce what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit >awkward to say this, but bear with me. Then let's say that when the >painter finishes his piece, he puts it on display and places a rose >colored sheet of Plexiglas in front of the painting, so that the >original visual sense data are then altered to appear different colors. So the plexiglas is part of the artist's expression. I can't see that it wouldn't just become an integral part of "the art". Just that it now gets called "mixed media". andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 09:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5282E3BEF1; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I/ZB3XzNXe0mpUIthgWrHIvlmE8LMDYnRJimtZZ4g5Mf73rUgtOL9etxHsnxcIiCuqWlfJV0XMQjg84WyuhN1UroDpbb1XIRFGjNOaEIpCrfzkh8zeP792fRxDAMjF+p87Ium15milukZZthOToMx8hfpHF5C/XFizHlaQ10/qM= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> Cc: Bill Walker Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Does FCB1010s exist in Santa Cruz? (was: Re: Broken FCB) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:36:57 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) On 8 sep 2006, at 23.29, William Walker wrote: > sounds like one of the contact switches is bad, its starting to > happen on my > older one as well. I'll see if I can get some parts through the > store i work > at part time, but we just stopped dealing in behringer so I'm not > sure how > I'll get, with there customer service. I just discovered that my bad pad number seven behaves like Mark Sottilaro described. I'm now able to get Number Seven to work by kicking it very hard on the upper area of the pad with my heel (may soon need Combat Boots for looping...). I guess this new order will only speed up the recently initiated Belly Up Process of my trusty old FCB. I've had it for almost five years now, so I guess it's about time to buy a new one anyway. Question: I'm going to Santa Cruz in october and if I can buy a FCB1010 there it will save me USD 60 in luggage overweight fees. Is it possible to shop a FCB1010 in Santa Cruz without any hassle? I mean, do the music stores over there keep them in stock? I bring my personal FCB settings with me as MIDI Sysex data and can retrieve them on any FCB pedal in seconds. Just need to hook up my laptop with a MIDI cable and push two buttons. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 10:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E253C3BEFA; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAANEwAkWBT4l/AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:18:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Does FCB1010s exist in Santa Cruz? (was: Re: Broken FCB) In-Reply-To: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:18:23 +0000 (UTC) At 10:36 09/09/2006, you wrote: >I bring my personal FCB settings with me as MIDI Sysex data and can >retrieve them on any FCB pedal in seconds. Just need to hook up my >laptop with a MIDI cable and push two buttons. hi Per, the sysex data only works if you get the same version of the FCB1010 ROM. (as Bill will tell you, he tried to copy my EDP settings for FCB1010) Have you actually opened the unit up to check for anything mechanical that could be fixed? (or look for cracks on the circuit board) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 10:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A11C3BEF8; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XQiNmuTs7HOy3+fa7gew5AtUNhYAIiAwZXnF87Jbo0SIG06SmiKgR/yQhsWoMjIXoYv4NaLZF/I7lV5lrMXnQ9giMQpSWN0Z2CBGgx6zwf9HI/lk1fp529fO9n9lTzGe6yO5GrrsECyBK16Rylr3R7+rsFKNUjruYlvjuoaGCiI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C618136-D3B5-450A-BB38-5287FB0275E3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Does FCB1010s exist in Santa Cruz? (was: Re: Broken FCB) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:41:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:41:43 +0000 (UTC) On 9 sep 2006, at 12.18, a k butler wrote: > the sysex data only works if you get the same version of the > FCB1010 ROM. > (as Bill will tell you, he tried to copy my EDP settings for FCB1010) oh... :-( > Have you actually opened the unit up to check for anything > mechanical that could be fixed? > (or look for cracks on the circuit board) Opened it up this morning. But I couldn't get at the actual kick pad mechanics. It seems to be some plastic shell covering it all. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 10:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72C93BEF4; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c6d3fc$ea787520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Looping vocals Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:44:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Neil asked "Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic signal, without colouring the tone?" I do a lot of vocalizing in my performances and I use two DL-4s in series on the ground (a Looperlative, EDP and a Repeater in my rack). I have found that the DL4 really wants some preamplification of a microphone so I either use an AKG C1000S in the INSERT channel of my Mackie 1402VLZ or 1604VLZ board or if I'm doing a show with just stomp box pedals and no rack (when I'm sitting in with a band usually) I will use an inexpensive ART tube preamp to get the signal up. If you want really high fidelity, you will probably need to save your bucks and buy a Looperlative or get a pricey software based laptop solution. The DL-4 is good but not incredibly high quality. I'll tell you though, I've seen Radioactive from Spearhead use two DL-4s and just blow people's minds with them. I never once thought about the fidelity of the voice and he was just using a Shure Beta 58 with his (and I think straight into it). Good luck. Rick Walker ps if you like looping and vocals, you might enjoy my CD 'Faux Voix' which is all acapella/live looped/processed vocals with some experiments in text to voice editor software designed for computer accessibility for blind people. All voice or fake voice. It's available at www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 14:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21ACB3BEEC; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c6d418$3bb921d0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909085329.01aadbf8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:59:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8_l_0B.A.i3.hjsAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:00:02 +0000 (UTC) I'd agree that it is part of the art, just as a looping device is part of our art. /K ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > >>I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's say we >>call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the painter, >>meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the canvas and >>produce what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit awkward to say this, >>but bear with me. Then let's say that when the painter finishes his piece, >>he puts it on display and places a rose colored sheet of Plexiglas in >>front of the painting, so that the original visual sense data are then >>altered to appear different colors. > > So the plexiglas is part of the artist's expression. > I can't see that it wouldn't just become an integral part of "the art". > Just that it now gets called "mixed media". > > andybutler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 14:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 257313BEEE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c6d419$1f1ddec0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909085329.01aadbf8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 16:05:59 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:06:28 +0000 (UTC) > So the plexiglas is part of the artist's expression. > I can't see that it wouldn't just become an integral part of "the art". > Just that it now gets called "mixed media". > > andybutler i'd go further by saying that personally it's irrelevant if the painter and person who put the plexiglas was the same one. it would be interesting to have the duchamp's opinion on this. matamoskas. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 15:04:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3EF33BEDB; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c6d421$4e9f2660$8af69643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:04:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) The semantics of this discussion are getting freaky! My belief is that if the effect is integral to the sound and important to my technique--meaning that I really don't feel inspired to play that part without the 'treatment', then it's a part of the instrument. eg. My pickup is part of how I get my signal to my amp, so that's not an effect, it's part of the instrument--yet my acoustic guitar does just fine without it. (Even though the soundboard and box are very similar to your stated 'sound shaping' effect below). There are many sounds I use, that allow otherwise improbable playing styles when used, and I would simply play a different way if left without them. Granted, if it's just a simple verb or very subtle phase shift I would pretty much say I was playing nearly dry, or unaffected. Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > > > what about open circuit players? > > If we go by the definitions that I cited, I'd say their bent circuits are > instruments. They are used to create the music, rather than take music from > an instrument, "effect" it, and then spit it out. > > > Also: what makes a guitar an instrument? The wood? The strings? The frets? > > Tuners? > > Again, if we use those definitions as a basis, then a guitar is an > instrument because it physically produces the music. > > > They all add up to make an instrument....as do those little things we call > > "effects".......The instrument is what WE use to make music.... > > But according to the definition, I would say most effects are not > instruments, rather they are "effectors" of instruments, or the sound that > instruments produce. > > I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's say we > call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the painter, > meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the canvas and produce > what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit awkward to say this, but bear > with me. Then let's say that when the painter finishes his piece, he puts it > on display and places a rose colored sheet of Plexiglas in front of the > painting, so that the original visual sense data are then altered to appear > different colors. We could call this the "effector" of the visual sense > data, which in this case is the paint, which was applied by the brush. In > the case of the definitions I was citing, I would consider an effect > processor similar to that of the Plexiglas and the guitar similar to that of > the paint and paintbrush....all awkwardness aside with the lack of a perfect > parallelism. It's the like the window dressing I have referred to many times > when describing effects vs. the original tone of the guitar. You peel all > those effects away, the layers of colored Plexiglas, and what you get is the > uneffected output of the instrument. > > Of course, if we change the definitions, then we change all these answer > I've provided. I'm just playing the logician here...cranking out the > deductions from the definitions. It's a rather safe and uninspiring > approach, as it requires no commitment to any hard believe about what "is" > or "is not" an instrument, rather what is or is not an instrument based on > what definition we choose to start with. :) Language Games.....our friend > Wittgenstein comes back to haunt us yet again! This is all just > self-indulgent analytical-linguistic gymnastics bullshit, and I'm knee deep > in it. Pick a definition, any definition... > > Kris > > > > In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to > > produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" > > that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an instrument > > in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that don't require > > audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and simple definition > > to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An effect processor > > doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters it...which is we call > > them "effects"....they effect the audio input they received, even if > > beyond recognition. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 15:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 934D23BEEE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c6d427$40300620$414accd8@JimMellTim> From: "jim and mell" To: References: <20060909052437.23567.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: stratoculture live at the keene music festival Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:47:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:47:29 +0000 (UTC) so........ I played at the Keene Music Festival and performed my regular acoustic folk set. I subscribe to this list because I also perform ambient music using Reason and Ableton Live, and have learned a lot and heard a lot of great music by listening to the different artists that post to this list. For those that don't know, the Keene Music Festival is a completely free music Festival (no admission charges and no one gets paid) with a slew of different stages set up, on literally the main street of Keene, NH. They have assigned stages and open mic spots, where anyone can just sign up on that day and play. It's a great concept and this year is the 6 th year of the festivals existance. I know it's something I look forward to participating in every year. In my opinion the best part of the festival is that they have no prejudices on what type of music is performed. The list of bands from this year is here. http://www.keenemusicfestival.com/times.html It's a pretty diverse group of musicians, who i seriously doubt anyone would call boring or ordinary. I have to admit I was pretty ripped when I read that comment this morning. I have been playing music since I was 15 ( I'm in my early 40's now) and very much take offense to have someone make generalizations about fellow musicians and the music they create, regardless of the genre of the music. Does it really matter how I'm making music, if I'm using conventional instruments like acoustic guitar and voice or using non-traditional instruments like effects and samplers as long as I'm creating something? Was (all of the music at the festival) something I would listen to at my house? probably not, but it certainly wasn't boring or ordinary. Now I'm going to download your two sets to see what they sound like. My webpage is here http://web.mac.com/jimbutlermusic/iWeb/Site/Home.html some of my ambient music is here http://music.download.com/jimbutler/3600-8357_32-100851197.html?tag=listing_song_artist Peace.. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael sintros" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:24 AM Subject: stratoculture live at the keene music festival > my friend and i recently performed at a local music > festival, mostly dominated by "ordinary" (e.g. boring) > music. we weren't scheduled to play but we set up > anyways and played two approximately hour-long sets of > experimental electronic music. > > for the show, my friend played a turntable and a kaoss > pad, and i took his outputs and used them as fodder > for loops and sampling and general live sound > creation, using an rc-20xl, a bunch of guitar pedals > and an old akai s2000 (with no samples loaded into it > initially, i used it essentially as a multitimbral > looper / sound generator). > > i would say the style is a kind of mix of psychedelic > dark ambient industrial noise, etc. you be the judge. > so far 5 segments (the first performance) uploaded, > the next 4 (from the second performance) to come. > the url is www.soundclick.com/stratoculture > > feel free to comment good or bad. enjoy, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 16:51:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9CB3BEE0; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c6d430$25bf4a90$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001301c6d421$4e9f2660$8af69643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:51:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0diwPC.A.1iH.AEvAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Perfectly valid point, Mike, provided you alter the definition of "instrument" that we started with. I hate to say it, but we are all just deducing conclutions on what is and is not an instrument based on our own custom definitions of the term "instrument"...which I find extremely pleasing. It confirms my observation and experiences of years of debating that most disagreements and differences of opinion are semantic and not related to any substantial facts. We are all forwading valid arguments here on what is or is not an instrument, valid meaning that our comments are following logically from our initial definitions or intuitive understanding of an instrument or effect. In short, everything is unfolding as I had expected. Next topic! :-) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > The semantics of this discussion are getting freaky! > > My belief is that if the effect is integral to the sound and important to > my > technique--meaning that I really don't feel inspired to play that part > without the 'treatment', then it's a part of the instrument. eg. My pickup > is part of how I get my signal to my amp, so that's not an effect, it's > part > of the instrument--yet my acoustic guitar does just fine without it. (Even > though the soundboard and box are very similar to your stated 'sound > shaping' effect below). > > There are many sounds I use, that allow otherwise improbable playing > styles > when used, and I would simply play a different way if left without them. > Granted, if it's just a simple verb or very subtle phase shift I would > pretty much say I was playing nearly dry, or unaffected. > > Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." > C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz > Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz > The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Kaiser" >> >> > what about open circuit players? >> >> If we go by the definitions that I cited, I'd say their bent circuits are >> instruments. They are used to create the music, rather than take music > from >> an instrument, "effect" it, and then spit it out. >> >> > Also: what makes a guitar an instrument? The wood? The strings? The > frets? >> > Tuners? >> >> Again, if we use those definitions as a basis, then a guitar is an >> instrument because it physically produces the music. >> >> > They all add up to make an instrument....as do those little things we > call >> > "effects".......The instrument is what WE use to make music.... >> >> But according to the definition, I would say most effects are not >> instruments, rather they are "effectors" of instruments, or the sound >> that >> instruments produce. >> >> I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's say we >> call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the painter, >> meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the canvas and > produce >> what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit awkward to say this, but > bear >> with me. Then let's say that when the painter finishes his piece, he puts > it >> on display and places a rose colored sheet of Plexiglas in front of the >> painting, so that the original visual sense data are then altered to > appear >> different colors. We could call this the "effector" of the visual sense >> data, which in this case is the paint, which was applied by the brush. In >> the case of the definitions I was citing, I would consider an effect >> processor similar to that of the Plexiglas and the guitar similar to that > of >> the paint and paintbrush....all awkwardness aside with the lack of a > perfect >> parallelism. It's the like the window dressing I have referred to many > times >> when describing effects vs. the original tone of the guitar. You peel > all >> those effects away, the layers of colored Plexiglas, and what you get is > the >> uneffected output of the instrument. >> >> Of course, if we change the definitions, then we change all these answer >> I've provided. I'm just playing the logician here...cranking out the >> deductions from the definitions. It's a rather safe and uninspiring >> approach, as it requires no commitment to any hard believe about what >> "is" >> or "is not" an instrument, rather what is or is not an instrument based >> on >> what definition we choose to start with. :) Language Games.....our > friend >> Wittgenstein comes back to haunt us yet again! This is all just >> self-indulgent analytical-linguistic gymnastics bullshit, and I'm knee > deep >> in it. Pick a definition, any definition... >> >> Kris >> >> >> > In my opinion, no, according to the above, unless they can be used to >> > produce music by themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" >> > that take music and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an >> > instrument >> > in this case, meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that don't require >> > audio input? I would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and simple > definition >> > to me. It either produces music or it doesn't. An effect processor >> > doesn't produce music per se in my book, it alters it...which is we >> > call >> > them "effects"....they effect the audio input they received, even if >> > beyond recognition. >> >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 17:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBBC23BED8; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eJpsEpN/EcgYDitzP1ZvDMDRW9l/Qafqd8aQQuPBguGvqtnIbsfTj/4J7Hz1frUbm8fgMpp5AHsLWZ+S3tjGgdLozf8NeJ8ivscDlpsi2mFgxkuf6qqGwpBonT6SvX7DzxZynYOhHbgsTKrLWFiidC+d9TUeUsEsohGGuw4lEuk= ; Message-ID: <20060909171849.80867.qmail@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: Re: Re: stratoculture live at the keene music festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c6d427$40300620$414accd8@JimMellTim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_HPN9.A.qp.6dvAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) my point was not to imply that music not created with electronic equipment is boring or substandard. i love traditional instruments and make use of them more than i do electronic equipment. in my OPINION, most (not all) of the acts that played at the festival were rather tame. that's not to say they were bad, but i personally look for more inventiveness and experimentation in the music i listen to. if you like the tried and true, that's your deal. i think it's great that the music festival exists in keene and i am personally friends with the creator and organizer of the event. i hope in the future it will continue and that more of the non-mainstream musicians (i know they exist here) will start coming out of the woodwork to play there. so i wouldn't waste too much of your time being pissed because i enjoy more musical variation than the rather sheltered area of keene has to offer. i will check out your stuff as well. --- jim and mell wrote: > so........ > > I played at the Keene Music Festival and performed > my regular acoustic folk > set. I subscribe to this list because I also perform > ambient music using > Reason and Ableton Live, and have learned a lot and > heard a lot of great > music by listening to the different artists that > post to this list. > > For those that don't know, the Keene Music Festival > is a completely free > music Festival (no admission charges and no one gets > paid) with a slew of > different stages set up, on literally the main > street of Keene, NH. They > have assigned stages and open mic spots, where > anyone can just sign up on > that day and play. It's a great concept and this > year is the 6 th year of > the festivals existance. I know it's something I > look forward to > participating in every year. In my opinion the best > part of the festival is > that they have no prejudices on what type of music > is performed. The list of > bands from this year is here. > > http://www.keenemusicfestival.com/times.html > > > It's a pretty diverse group of musicians, who i > seriously doubt anyone would > call boring or ordinary. > > > I have to admit I was pretty ripped when I read that > comment this morning. I > have been playing music since I was 15 ( I'm in my > early 40's now) and very > much take offense to have someone make > generalizations about fellow > musicians and the music they create, regardless of > the genre of the music. > Does it really matter how I'm making music, if I'm > using conventional > instruments like acoustic guitar and voice or using > non-traditional > instruments like effects and samplers as long as I'm > creating > something? > > > Was (all of the music at the festival) something I > would listen to at my > house? probably not, but it certainly wasn't boring > or ordinary. > > > Now I'm going to download your two sets to see what > they sound like. > > > My webpage is here > > http://web.mac.com/jimbutlermusic/iWeb/Site/Home.html > > some of my ambient music is here > > http://music.download.com/jimbutler/3600-8357_32-100851197.html?tag=listing_song_artist > > > > > > > > > > Peace.. > > Jim > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael sintros" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:24 AM > Subject: stratoculture live at the keene music > festival > > > > my friend and i recently performed at a local > music > > festival, mostly dominated by "ordinary" (e.g. > boring) > > music. we weren't scheduled to play but we set up > > anyways and played two approximately hour-long > sets of > > experimental electronic music. > > > > for the show, my friend played a turntable and a > kaoss > > pad, and i took his outputs and used them as > fodder > > for loops and sampling and general live sound > > creation, using an rc-20xl, a bunch of guitar > pedals > > and an old akai s2000 (with no samples loaded into > it > > initially, i used it essentially as a multitimbral > > looper / sound generator). > > > > i would say the style is a kind of mix of > psychedelic > > dark ambient industrial noise, etc. you be the > judge. > > so far 5 segments (the first performance) > uploaded, > > the next 4 (from the second performance) to come. > > the url is www.soundclick.com/stratoculture > > > > feel free to comment good or bad. enjoy, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - > Release Date: 9/8/2006 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 17:40:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597A73BEE0; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:40:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looping vocals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:40:29 +0000 (UTC) At 12:11 PM -0500 9/8/06, Henry Heine wrote: >neil thomas wrote: >>I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can switch the input between >>guitar and beatbox or both. > >....Then just use any old A-B-Y footswitch to route those. Just a quick side note on something you might not have thought about, Neil: you may want to be a little more particular than just "any old" A/B/Y switch. Most are rather simply constructed and give out an audible pop when switched. This is usually not a problem for the average guitarist simply using an A/B to switch between amps for a lead line, for instance. However, for a Live Looper it's a little more of a consideration. If you're in the middle of recording a loop and need to use the switcher, you're going to inadvertently record a *THAK* into the middle of your loop (which, of course, will repeat again and again with every pass of the loop -- rather annoyingly). Spring for one of the higher quality A/B/Y's with optical switches. I've got a Whirlwind that works rather well. Regardless of the model, just make certain you check out the reviews on Harmony Central before you put down any money. The truly silent boxes costs more, but it's better than having to constantly re-record messed up loops. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 17:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE893BEEE; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAPWXAkWBT4oAAgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060909182304.01b8e970@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:43:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <005d01c6d430$25bf4a90$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001301c6d421$4e9f2660$8af69643@Biffoz> <005d01c6d430$25bf4a90$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:43:06 +0000 (UTC) > I hate to say it, but we are all just deducing conclutions on what > is and is not an instrument based on our own custom definitions of > the term "instrument"...which I find extremely pleasing. Not my intention to do that at all, I'm trying illustrate a certain approach to music making. If "instrument" gets re-defined then that's just a useless by-product :-) > It confirms my observation and experiences of years of debating > that most disagreements and differences of opinion are semantic and > not related to any substantial facts. ...but I suspect what we have here is people with a genuinely different approach to music. >Next topic! :-) Hopes... new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use of looping devices. Fears....string gauges andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 18:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7BAA3BEDD; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b801c6d43a$4376f920$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001301c6d421$4e9f2660$8af69643@Biffoz> <005d01c6d430$25bf4a90$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909182304.01b8e970@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:03:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3c2mbD.A.vNC.3HwAFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Oh come one, you don't to do a survey on who is using what string guages, flat wound vs. round wound, etc? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > >> I hate to say it, but we are all just deducing conclutions on what is >> and is not an instrument based on our own custom definitions of the term >> "instrument"...which I find extremely pleasing. > > Not my intention to do that at all, > I'm trying illustrate a certain approach to music making. > If "instrument" gets re-defined then that's just a useless by-product :-) > >> It confirms my observation and experiences of years of debating that >> most disagreements and differences of opinion are semantic and not >> related to any substantial facts. > > ...but I suspect what we have here is people with a genuinely different > approach to music. > >>Next topic! :-) > > Hopes... new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use of > looping devices. > Fears....string gauges > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 02:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28373BEDB; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r0P6Pu47UmjnY7M0u7gdiV3llDowEUIovpu6kRtd32guezk7T4CYOFndH0akLjSIxImV3qKhEqbvAD8/SPyo1UMy+i6HJFbpMFHGaKLXCaNqLohcBULr1kSgOz4/uxtPqwQmOsPHqsyQYf/OByZy6h4xpN381ZKqtbb6R0Tfi/k= ; Message-ID: <20060910022300.12182.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b801c6d43a$4376f920$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Sing it brother! Where's Andre LaFosse when I need him!? I never argued with someone who I agreed with more. Shame he left the list. Let me end this. Looping isn't "an instrument" but it's just as much a part of an instrument and an amp is to a guitarist or a LFO is to a keyboard player. Remember those old BASF commercials? We don't make the ______, we make it better." Asking if looping is an instrument is like asking if a guitar pick is an instrument. Of course it isn't, but it's part of a system that makes the instrument behave in a specific way facilitating a "style" of playing at most. That cyclical style of music is what we call "looping" but it's far from a type of music. So can we please move on from this? It's way past silly at this point. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a k butler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > >> It confirms my observation and experiences of > years of debating that > >> most disagreements and differences of opinion are > semantic and not > >> related to any substantial facts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 04:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96583BED6; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eBi0Oa7Vpu6qkA1hfEiojwBF0uY1rhePhsUTip3sYAz2M/rrnMBWcN3Pl3Pt+TIMFQw8uFSU26yYaYGATjgsVyA+wBAkqSWJOMaEjlakMjfdMksKsQT2IEj/kpefg6o4jaq0WpQXkblt+qLEMHJ6IPzzqz+26hkPWTSKW3L4Fw0= Message-ID: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:24:33 +0900 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85485_9030940.1157862273371" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:24:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85485_9030940.1157862273371 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, I'll bite. Let's say we want to move the discussion in the direction of structure. This is where things begin to get really semantic. It seemed strange to me that the discussion on instruments -vs- effects was deemed less important simply due to its semantic nature. Are there no others here who can see the value of the distinction especially in realm of composition? Which is precisely one of the concepts and practices most pertinent to the creation of musical structures. So is it possible to venture a theory of sound structure creation through the use of loops? Is semantics not indeed an important method in the elucidation of any theory? It seems then that actually there are a number of oft revisited distinctions that have come up on this list, and no doubt countless other music or sound based discussion forums. Instrument vs effect, improvisation vs composition, practice vs playing vs performance, performance vs audition. If you believe, as I do, that loops present a certain formal constitutive possibility to the quesiton of being (ie we are all made of loops), then loops present themselves specifically as an answer to such distinctions. What I would like to say, is that repetition simulatenously creates and erodes boundaries, and hence can be used to both investigate and complicate the very notions that are apparently linearly oppposed. The very act of defining is indeed that of setting aside all that which is "in the loop" and "outside the loop" within a given social context, even if that context is as highly personal as your own mind. As an example, the loop itself binds instruments to effects as a formal (or form of) container, perhaps largely due to the fact that purely repeated acoustic material becomes nauseatingly tedious without some, however subtle, change. That is, the sound must be affected in some way in order that the repetition produce some meaningful or desirable effect. I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something that was there all along. In other words, loops as a form of communication of acoustic meaning, bring attention to the very fact that we are structurally bound by loops in a myriad of ways, and the effects and instruments that we use contextualise this structural awareness by often connoting a certain social relationship (or simulating a certian socially observable time scale). What becomes interesting then is the notion of complex loop clusters becoming compositional structures, something like a loop-network, and allowing repetition, and hence looping, a metonymic capability for understanding the world around us. When I say interesting, I mean that from both a theoretical - what does it all mean - and practical - how can we do it - perspective. cheers omjn ------=_Part_85485_9030940.1157862273371 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline OK, I'll bite.

Let's say we want to move the discussion in the direc= tion of structure.  This is where things begin to get really semantic.=   It seemed strange to me that the discussion on instruments -vs- effe= cts was deemed less important simply due to its semantic nature.  Are = there no others here who can see the value of the distinction especially in= realm of composition?

Which is precisely one of the concepts and practices most pertinent= to the creation of musical structures.  So is it possible to venture = a theory of sound structure creation through the use of loops?  Is sem= antics not indeed an important method in the elucidation of any theory?

It seems then that actually there are a number of oft revisited dis= tinctions that have come up on this list, and no doubt countless other musi= c or sound based discussion forums.  Instrument vs effect, improvisati= on vs composition, practice vs playing vs performance, performance vs audit= ion. =20

If you believe, as I do, that loops present a certain formal consti= tutive possibility to the quesiton of being (ie we are all made of loops), = then loops present themselves specifically as an answer to such distinction= s.  What I would like to say, is that repetition simulatenously create= s and erodes boundaries, and hence can be used to both investigate and comp= licate the very notions that are apparently linearly oppposed.  The ve= ry act of defining is indeed that of setting aside all that which is "= in the loop" and "outside the loop" within a given social co= ntext, even if that context is as highly personal as your own mind.  A= s an example, the loop itself binds instruments to effects as a formal (or = form of) container, perhaps largely due to the fact that purely repeated ac= oustic material becomes nauseatingly tedious without some, however subtle, = change.  That is, the sound must be affected in some way in order that= the repetition produce some meaningful or desirable effect.

I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new = possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something that w= as there all along.  In other words, loops as a form of communication = of acoustic meaning, bring attention to the very fact that we are structura= lly bound by loops in a myriad of ways, and the effects and instruments tha= t we use contextualise this structural awareness by often connoting a certa= in social relationship (or simulating a certian socially observable time sc= ale).  What becomes interesting then is the notion of complex loop clu= sters becoming compositional structures, something like a loop-network, and= allowing repetition, and hence looping, a metonymic capability for underst= anding the world around us.  When I say interesting, I mean that from = both a theoretical - what does it all mean - and practical - how can we do = it - perspective.

cheers
omjn
------=_Part_85485_9030940.1157862273371-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 04:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60B6B3BED3; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D6Jat+bpcGiAVmvDMunTwpC1m40BSus7gxRTy/9YBa66fxc5DPtcbDtSNcaNErM6wmTbXKctuT9oqrvmCls6oAhBikih4UiCA7v/YkuLm3ZdnQe6lCjUjfqeFB9rINutPh24kGj2ASsYjlkSmlEDT/W/sLwGo1hb3/uMLylT8O8= Message-ID: <339c30110609092130t71e5387fs4b61736a5cf2c3fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:30:10 +0900 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure In-Reply-To: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85501_29745832.1157862610110" References: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:30:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85501_29745832.1157862610110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ps, sorry about the title, gmail didn't appear to cut and paste when in fact it did... ------=_Part_85501_29745832.1157862610110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ps, sorry about the title, gmail didn't appear to cut and paste when in fact it did...
------=_Part_85501_29745832.1157862610110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 13:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44CEF3BED5; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012601c6d4df$39857180$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:44:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0123_01C6D4AC.EE169A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C6D4AC.EE169A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting thoughts, Michael. You said: "What I would like to say, is = that repetition simultaneously creates and erodes boundaries, and hence = can be used to both investigate and complicate the very notions that are = apparently linearly opposed." I like this. On the creating boundaries part, I would refer back to = Matthias Grob's comments a while back...I'll have to dig them up, but = believe he was favoring using feedback so that you are forced to keep = inventing rather than relying on the same loops looping indefinitely, = which is that restrictive component that creates boundaries. This really = opens up the power of the looping device as a composition tool Or = another way of approaching it, yet it still supports your notion = eventually, is creating longer loops with less repetition inside of = them. This is what I tend to do, as I the short and especially rhythmic = loops make me tense and uneasy. Or yet another way, which a lot of = loopers get into because of their personalities and technical savvy, is = to do clever things with the technology, like reversing, chopping up, = sequencing, etc...though it is debatable I suppose whether this is = really avoiding the boundary creation problem, but just circumventing it = with technology, manipulting wha is already within the boundary rather = than truly bringing fresh stuff in...not sure.=20 I am anxious to see some of the comments on this thread!=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael noble=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use = new possibilities for musical structure OK, I'll bite. Let's say we want to move the discussion in the direction of = structure. This is where things begin to get really semantic. It = seemed strange to me that the discussion on instruments -vs- effects was = deemed less important simply due to its semantic nature. Are there no = others here who can see the value of the distinction especially in realm = of composition?=20 Which is precisely one of the concepts and practices most pertinent to = the creation of musical structures. So is it possible to venture a = theory of sound structure creation through the use of loops? Is = semantics not indeed an important method in the elucidation of any = theory?=20 It seems then that actually there are a number of oft revisited = distinctions that have come up on this list, and no doubt countless = other music or sound based discussion forums. Instrument vs effect, = improvisation vs composition, practice vs playing vs performance, = performance vs audition. =20 If you believe, as I do, that loops present a certain formal = constitutive possibility to the quesiton of being (ie we are all made of = loops), then loops present themselves specifically as an answer to such = distinctions. What I would like to say, is that repetition = simulatenously creates and erodes boundaries, and hence can be used to = both investigate and complicate the very notions that are apparently = linearly oppposed. The very act of defining is indeed that of setting = aside all that which is "in the loop" and "outside the loop" within a = given social context, even if that context is as highly personal as your = own mind. As an example, the loop itself binds instruments to effects = as a formal (or form of) container, perhaps largely due to the fact that = purely repeated acoustic material becomes nauseatingly tedious without = some, however subtle, change. That is, the sound must be affected in = some way in order that the repetition produce some meaningful or = desirable effect.=20 I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new = possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something = that was there all along. In other words, loops as a form of = communication of acoustic meaning, bring attention to the very fact that = we are structurally bound by loops in a myriad of ways, and the effects = and instruments that we use contextualise this structural awareness by = often connoting a certain social relationship (or simulating a certian = socially observable time scale). What becomes interesting then is the = notion of complex loop clusters becoming compositional structures, = something like a loop-network, and allowing repetition, and hence = looping, a metonymic capability for understanding the world around us. = When I say interesting, I mean that from both a theoretical - what does = it all mean - and practical - how can we do it - perspective.=20 cheers omjn ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C6D4AC.EE169A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting thoughts, Michael.  = You said:=20 "What I would like to say, is = that=20 repetition simultaneously creates and erodes boundaries, and hence can = be used=20 to both investigate and complicate the very notions that are apparently = linearly=20 opposed."
 
I like this. On the creating=20 boundaries part, I would refer back to Matthias Grob's comments a = while=20 back...I'll have to dig them up, but believe he was favoring using = feedback=20 so that you are forced to keep inventing rather than relying on the same = loops=20 looping indefinitely, which is that restrictive component that creates=20 boundaries. This really opens up the power of the looping device as = a=20 composition tool Or another way of approaching it, yet it still = supports=20 your notion eventually, is creating longer loops with less repetition = inside of=20 them. This is what I tend to do, as I the short and especially = rhythmic loops make me tense and uneasy. Or yet another way, which a lot = of=20 loopers get into because of their personalities and technical savvy, is = to do=20 clever things with the technology, like reversing, chopping up, = sequencing,=20 etc...though it is debatable I suppose whether this is really avoiding = the=20 boundary creation problem, but just circumventing it with technology,=20 manipulting wha is already within the boundary rather than truly = bringing fresh=20 stuff in...not sure. 
 
I am anxious to see some of the = comments=20 on this thread! 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael = noble=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 09, = 2006 10:24=20 PM
Subject: new possibilities for = musical=20 structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical = structure

OK, I'll bite.

Let's say we want to move the = discussion=20 in the direction of structure.  This is where things begin to get = really=20 semantic.  It seemed strange to me that the discussion on = instruments=20 -vs- effects was deemed less important simply due to its semantic=20 nature.  Are there no others here who can see the value of the=20 distinction especially in realm of composition?

Which is = precisely one=20 of the concepts and practices most pertinent to the creation of = musical=20 structures.  So is it possible to venture a theory of sound = structure=20 creation through the use of loops?  Is semantics not indeed an = important=20 method in the elucidation of any theory?

It seems then that = actually=20 there are a number of oft revisited distinctions that have come up on = this=20 list, and no doubt countless other music or sound based discussion=20 forums.  Instrument vs effect, improvisation vs composition, = practice vs=20 playing vs performance, performance vs audition. 

If you = believe,=20 as I do, that loops present a certain formal constitutive possibility = to the=20 quesiton of being (ie we are all made of loops), then loops present = themselves=20 specifically as an answer to such distinctions.  What I would = like to=20 say, is that repetition simulatenously creates and erodes boundaries, = and=20 hence can be used to both investigate and complicate the very notions = that are=20 apparently linearly oppposed.  The very act of defining is indeed = that of=20 setting aside all that which is "in the loop" and "outside the loop" = within a=20 given social context, even if that context is as highly personal as = your own=20 mind.  As an example, the loop itself binds instruments to = effects as a=20 formal (or form of) container, perhaps largely due to the fact that = purely=20 repeated acoustic material becomes nauseatingly tedious without some, = however=20 subtle, change.  That is, the sound must be affected in some way = in order=20 that the repetition produce some meaningful or desirable effect. =

I'm=20 not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new = possibilities=20 in so much as they present new insights into something that was there = all=20 along.  In other words, loops as a form of communication of = acoustic=20 meaning, bring attention to the very fact that we are structurally = bound by=20 loops in a myriad of ways, and the effects and instruments that we use = contextualise this structural awareness by often connoting a certain = social=20 relationship (or simulating a certian socially observable time = scale). =20 What becomes interesting then is the notion of complex loop clusters = becoming=20 compositional structures, something like a loop-network, and allowing=20 repetition, and hence looping, a metonymic capability for = understanding the=20 world around us.  When I say interesting, I mean that from both a = theoretical - what does it all mean - and practical - how can we do it = -=20 perspective.

cheers
omjn
------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C6D4AC.EE169A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D756E3BECC; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:10:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01C6D4EB.42E2CA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C6D4EB.42E2CA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio = I'm playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who played at = the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates. = The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool = sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), = and Jesse on cello. We had our first rehearsal last week and our first = gig is on October 8. =20 The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really = interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played = with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to = leverage some ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry = Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), = and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing = for sale anywere. Any clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 years and = knows a fair amount about the music and instrument. At our first jam = session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just focus on the = sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and koto. I used my = nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my = jazz electric next time, because they think the contrast of acoustic = instruments with my electric will be more unique. =20 Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any = scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G = A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to = various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally = over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background. You = can do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra = over the strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one = is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play = atonally...the three of us end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone = piece, though there are no rows or permutations involved. Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan = is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the = tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll = continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It = should be fun. I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C6D4EB.42E2CA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't wait to talk about the new=20 ambient/experimental/free improv trio I'm playing in now.  It is = with two=20 women that I met, and who played at the Boise Experimental Music = festival, both=20 music students/graduates.  The instrumentation is me on guitar, = Gretchen on=20 Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/ko= to/instru.htm), and Jesse on cello.  We had our first = rehearsal last=20 week and our first gig is on October 8. 

The = instrumentation and=20 contrast of the different instruments is really interesting, and I was = wondering=20 if anyone else on the list had played with a koto player - because I'd = like to=20 hear what has been done to leverage some ideas.  I found one = reference to=20 such a trio, with Henry Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and = Danielle=20 DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I = can't=20 find the thing for sale anywere.  Any clues?   Gretchen = lived in=20 Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount about the music and = instrument. =20 At our first jam session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to = just=20 focus on the sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and = koto. =20 I used my nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested that I = play my=20 jazz electric next time, because they think the contrast of acoustic = instruments=20 with my electric will be more unique. 

Our basic approach = for=20 playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any scale....we start with = a=20 traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G A Bb D) and play with = that...and=20 then after that point, she tunes it to various modes (mixolydian, = lydian,=20 pentatonic, etc), and we play modally over a tonal center, which is = great for me=20 with my jazz background.  You can do some great things with the = koto, such=20 as scraping the plectra over the strings, bending the strings for other = tones,=20 etc. The fun one is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and = we play=20 atonally...the three of us end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone = piece,=20 though there are no rows or permutations involved.

Next rehearsal = I'll be=20 bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan is to loop some ambient = textures of basic melodic motifs based on the tuning of the koto..and = then we'll=20 improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to = evolve=20 with the performance. It should be fun.  I hope to record the Oct. = 8=20 performance.

Kris


*************************************= *************************************
Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
My Tribe:=20 http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography -=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography (CDs = for only=20 $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C6D4EB.42E2CA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:15:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369203BED5; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cWq68lbYuGEx7frgeTsorQMDnqRioU6S1RBZqx+MIPNdi0dfelpx8a35JiRQOll/iBVnCkBzHw1yp7zf3dqig8eoI0XbJQswcG6mz3fBjs5HrtzAy0Pju71AmzA8sHf9+QxP/FJT0IQFCbJl14NYwpr/AHWqWtESgXTvKMsLV2A= Message-ID: <913728d60609101415m22b38a29ib73733dd9071db5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:15:11 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio In-Reply-To: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5O8qFD.A.uQ.gBIBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:15:13 +0000 (UTC) you definitly have to record that. I really want to hear it! Charlie On 9/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio I'm > playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who played at the > Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates. The > instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool sounding > Japanese instrument - > http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), and Jesse on > cello. We had our first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on October > 8. > > The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really > interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played with > a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to leverage some > ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry Kaiser (guitar), > Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is called > Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing for sale anywere. Any > clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount about > the music and instrument. At our first jam session, I didn't do any > looping, because I wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and how it > worked with the cello and koto. I used my nylon string, but surprisingly, > both of them requested that I play my jazz electric next time, because they > think the contrast of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more > unique. > > Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any > scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G A > Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to > various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally > over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background. You can > do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over the > strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where she > tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three of us > end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows > or permutations involved. > > Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan is > to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the tuning of > the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue > manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It should be fun. I > hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99FFC3BED3; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015701c6d51f$09f34c40$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609101415m22b38a29ib73733dd9071db5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:21:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:21:13 +0000 (UTC) If I could just track down that CD with Kaiser on guitar! I just sent him, Danielle, and Miya email to request it, or some MP3s. This is exciting. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio > you definitly have to record that. I really want to hear it! > > Charlie > > On 9/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio >> I'm >> playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who played at the >> Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates. The >> instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool sounding >> Japanese instrument - >> http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), and Jesse on >> cello. We had our first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on >> October >> 8. >> >> The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really >> interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played >> with >> a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to leverage >> some >> ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry Kaiser (guitar), >> Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is >> called >> Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing for sale anywere. Any >> clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount >> about >> the music and instrument. At our first jam session, I didn't do any >> looping, because I wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and how >> it >> worked with the cello and koto. I used my nylon string, but >> surprisingly, >> both of them requested that I play my jazz electric next time, because >> they >> think the contrast of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more >> unique. >> >> Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any >> scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G >> A >> Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to >> various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally >> over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background. You >> can >> do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over the >> strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where >> she >> tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three of >> us >> end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no >> rows >> or permutations involved. >> >> Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan >> is >> to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the tuning >> of >> the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue >> manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It should be fun. >> I >> hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. >> >> Kris >> >> >> ************************************************************************** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:56:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B58A3BED6; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45048A08.8050207@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:56:24 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, is my looper or effect device a instrument? In my opinion, no, > according to the above, unless they can be used to produce music by > themselves, otherwise I think they are musical "tools" that take music > and transform it. Would I consider Reaktor an instrument in this case, > meaning the "instruments" in Reaktor that don't require audio input? I > would. Seems like a pretty clear cut and simple definition to me. It > either produces music or it doesn't. An effect processor doesn't > produce music per se in my book, it alters it...which is we call them > "effects"....they effect the audio input they received, even if beyond > recognition. Actually I wanted to point to a possible absurdity of the question. What about: Is the string of your guitar an instrument? No, but its part of it. Is your looper an instrument? No, but its part of your instrument... (For me there is no doubt imaginable...) The whole instrument is the interesting thing, and only a musicians love can make an instrument... The Wikipedia artikle points also to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_interfaces_for_musical_expression > I like to draw analogies with art, so let me give one a try. Let's say > we call a paintbrush and paint the collective instruments of the > painter, meaning that they are the physical objects that touch the > canvas and produce what we see as visual stimuli. It seems a bit awkward > to say this, but bear with me. Then let's say that when the painter > finishes his piece, he puts it on display and places a rose colored > sheet of Plexiglas in front of the painting, so that the original visual > sense data are then altered to appear different colors. We could call > this the "effector" of the visual sense data... Yes, but it belongs into exactly the same category as the brush, the paint and (you forgot to mention but its crucuial for the visual artist) the canvas itself including its material. All belong to the tools or the artists "instrument" to create what the artist creates. Some could belong to a subcategory as well and we can call it "effect" because we think there are only minor skills required to incorporate them... But if you really get into those "effects" you will develop skills which nobody else reaches that easy... There is no hierachy of tools, they belong to the process/instrument or they don't (in case they are not used at all... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:02:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB7E3BED6; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45048B64.2060403@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:02:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <45004D8F.6080001@addcom.de> <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> <16d801c6d2bf$5befb360$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <184f01c6d3dc$85121b20$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909085329.01aadbf8@tiscali.co.uk> <001001c6d419$1f1ddec0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> In-Reply-To: <001001c6d419$1f1ddec0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:02:15 +0000 (UTC) raul bonell wrote: > i'd go further by saying that personally it's irrelevant if the painter > and person who put the plexiglas was the same one. > it would be interesting to have the duchamp's opinion on this. Well my opinion: Depends what you know. You percieve art differently if you know the background. It does make a difference if you know who put it up. If its was the artist you would more likely accept that its there and part of the work. If somebody else did it you probably want to see the "original". Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:10:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248C93BED2; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5534162.1157926230716.JavaMail.root@sf1439> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:10:30 +1200 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:10:39 +0000 (UTC) > I find it amazing that some players are incredibly secretive about > the technology and techniques involved in their performances, as > though that's where the magic is... Clearly, that's total balls, as > anyone who's witnessed one of the half a million 'weekend warrior' > bands around the globe with the most incredible equipment thanks to > well paid day jobs still not being able to play a decent version of > Mustang Sally, let alone generate much of substance in terms of > original music. I have mixed feelings on this topic, but ultimately I think the question it broils down to is 'who is your audience?' For my own work, I receive a steady stream of criticism for not doing enough to showcase the technology, and 'that's where the magic is' is a statement I've heard on more than on occasion. This kind of comment however comes from technology oriented people, who only make up a small part of my audience. As I'd like to think of myself as a musician, rather than a 'Laptop DJ' (and there are way too many of those around), the approach I take is simply play my music and let the technology demonstrate itself. Technology oriented people can and will take an interest and figure out for themselves what makes it tick - other people proably arn't that intetested to start with and will just listen to the music. Technology to me has a more important role to play - my requirements are for a system which is highly portable, easy to setup and very reliable. My setup time is now down to about 2 minutes, down from 1/2 hour in my early days, I just chuck the rig on the floor, plug the power in and go. I'm well aware that and hiccups from the technology will have a negative impact on my concentration and ability to perform - technology needs to just work and not get in the way, and lets even leave aside band/stage/sound engineering politics from the equation My set now has a number of phases with the tecnology involvment from 'none' to 'insane', I think this helps to satisfy the tecnology, musical, and general beer drinking oriented segments of my audience: Insane - live looping with foot control, vast variety of instrument control from one guitar, including octave shift (bass), MIDI triggering (rhythm and synthersizer control). No backing tracks - all live Midway - sequenced backing track, generally with drums and bass, maybe a splash of extra keyboard parts. Looping controlled from sequencer, as are patch changes for my guitar processing. Lets me play a respectable cover of 'Nothing Else Matters' always goes down well None - put all technology aside, pick up guitar and play classical - makes a great interlude Jacob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEY_m1WMMZg http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/guitarworkstation http://www.keystoneframework.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4701C3BECF; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PeoYtvhbMhsDPEwmwdY2N8o2iU1uBBifEFdAEZ0dyFev6xS2txLpvV+aYd4sSr4LJGUPP7990V/D5ErhPQu2UE2MwOd0tebeMfeDjqyVUIP1oDiC7d6dUg3TE8yIRbEUFBt32qv/0ifb2prk4R6CsLO9+Z7HwIIxSfJFUy7Jwnk= In-Reply-To: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <356A5D81-C9BA-4E84-8C75-7374ADE6DEB2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:18:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:18:41 +0000 (UTC) On 10 sep 2006, at 23.10, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is > really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list > had played with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has > been done to leverage some ideas Tony Scott's album Music For Zen Meditation has been a favorite of mine for decades. http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,939236,00.html On that album he plays with one koto player and one shakuhachi player. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 00:35:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 692C73BED3; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joseph Cavanagh" To: Subject: RE: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6d539$f3929580$0201a8c0@HOME> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6D518.6C80F580" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6KQeUB.A.AyG.h9KBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:35:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6D518.6C80F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kristen: =20 All tracks of S=E9ance, featuring Henry Kaiser et al, are available for download at emusic: http://www.emusic.com/album/10920/10920616.html=20 Joe Cavanagh Producer of GaelSong Radio at http://www.live365.com/stations/omnicelt = -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio =20 I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio = I'm playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who played at the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates. The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool = sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), and Jesse = on cello. We had our first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on = October 8. =20 The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played = with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to leverage = some ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry Kaiser = (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is = called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing for sale anywere. = Any clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount = about the music and instrument. At our first jam session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and = how it worked with the cello and koto. I used my nylon string, but = surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my jazz electric next time, because = they think the contrast of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more unique. =20 Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G = A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background. You = can do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over = the strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where = she tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three = of us end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no = rows or permutations involved. Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan = is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the = tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It should be fun. = I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6D518.6C80F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kristen:

 

All tracks of S=E9ance, featuring = Henry Kaiser et al, =A0are available for download at emusic:=A0 http://www.emusi= c.com/album/10920/10920616.html

Joe Cavanagh
Producer of GaelSong Radio at http://www.live365.com/= stations/omnicelt  

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Subject: New = Guitar/Cello/Koto trio

 

I can't wait to talk about = the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio I'm playing in now.  It is = with two women that I met, and who played at the Boise Experimental Music = festival, both music students/graduates.  The instrumentation is me on guitar, = Gretchen on Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/ko= to/instru.htm), and Jesse on cello.  We had our first rehearsal last week and our = first gig is on October 8. 

The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played = with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to leverage = some ideas.  I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry = Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), and the = CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing for sale anywere.  Any clues?   Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 = years and knows a fair amount about the music and instrument.  At our first = jam session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just focus on the = sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and koto.  I used my = nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my jazz = electric next time, because they think the contrast of acoustic instruments with = my electric will be more unique. 

Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G = A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to = various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally over a = tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background.  You can do = some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over the = strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where she tunes = the koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three of us end = up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows or permutations involved.

Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan = is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the tuning = of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It should be = fun.  I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance.

Kris


*************************************************************************= *
Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung =

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6D518.6C80F580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 01:02:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891AB3BED3; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019f01c6d53d$ff0d2250$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c6d539$f3929580$0201a8c0@HOME> Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019C_01C6D50B.B35E0E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:02:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C6D50B.B35E0E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. Henry's webmaster just sent me the same link. This is great. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joseph Cavanagh=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: RE: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Kristen: All tracks of S=E9ance, featuring Henry Kaiser et al, are available = for download at emusic: http://www.emusic.com/album/10920/10920616.html = Joe Cavanagh Producer of GaelSong Radio at http://www.live365.com/stations/omnicelt = =20 -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv = trio I'm playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who = played at the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music = students/graduates. The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on = Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - = http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), and Jesse on cello. We had our = first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on October 8. =20 The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is = really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had = played with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done = to leverage some ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with = Henry Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola = (cello), and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find = the thing for sale anywere. Any clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 = years and knows a fair amount about the music and instrument. At our = first jam session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just = focus on the sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and = koto. I used my nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested = that I play my jazz electric next time, because they think the contrast = of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more unique. =20 Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to = any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D = Eb G A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes = it to various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play = modally over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz = background. You can do some great things with the koto, such as = scraping the plectra over the strings, bending the strings for other = tones, etc. The fun one is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic = scale and we play atonally...the three of us end up sounding like we're = playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows or permutations = involved. Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My = plan is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on = the tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich = I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It = should be fun. I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C6D50B.B35E0E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks. Henry's webmaster just sent me = the same=20 link. This is great.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joseph = Cavanagh=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 10, = 2006 6:33=20 PM
Subject: RE: New = Guitar/Cello/Koto=20 trio

Kristen:

 

All tracks = of=20 S=E9ance, featuring Henry Kaiser et al,  are available for = download at=20 emusic:  http://www.emusi= c.com/album/10920/10920616.html=20

Joe=20 Cavanagh
Producer of GaelSong Radio at http://www.live365.com/= stations/omnicelt  =20

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Krispen=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 10, = 2006 5:11=20 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New Guitar/Cello/Koto=20 trio

 

I can't wait to talk = about the new=20 ambient/experimental/free improv trio I'm playing in now.  It is = with two=20 women that I met, and who played at the Boise Experimental Music = festival,=20 both music students/graduates.  The instrumentation is me on = guitar,=20 Gretchen on Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/ko= to/instru.htm),=20 and Jesse on cello.  We had our first rehearsal last week and our = first=20 gig is on October 8. 

The instrumentation and contrast of = the=20 different instruments is really interesting, and I was wondering if = anyone=20 else on the list had played with a koto player - because I'd like to = hear what=20 has been done to leverage some ideas.  I found one reference to = such a=20 trio, with Henry Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and = Danielle=20 DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I = can't=20 find the thing for sale anywere.  Any clues?   Gretchen = lived=20 in Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount about the music and=20 instrument.  At our first jam session, I didn't do any looping, = because I=20 wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and how it worked with = the=20 cello and koto.  I used my nylon string, but surprisingly, both = of them=20 requested that I play my jazz electric next time, because they think = the=20 contrast of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more = unique. =20

Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the = Koto to=20 any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure = (D Eb G A=20 Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to = various=20 modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally over = a tonal=20 center, which is great for me with my jazz background.  You can = do some=20 great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over the = strings,=20 bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where she = tunes the=20 koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three of us end = up=20 sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows = or=20 permutations involved.

Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my = notebook=20 system and looping. My plan is to loop some ambient textures of basic = melodic=20 motifs based on the tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over=20 that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with = the=20 performance. It should be fun.  I hope to record the Oct. 8=20 = performance.

Kris


*************************************= *************************************
Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
My Tribe:=20 http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography -=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography = (CDs for=20 only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C6D50B.B35E0E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 03:45:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766603BED0; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1136.69.59.206.219.1157946319.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <019f01c6d53d$ff0d2250$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000001c6d539$f3929580$0201a8c0@HOME> <019f01c6d53d$ff0d2250$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <_XpI5.A.gVB.SvNBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:45:22 +0000 (UTC) I believe Miya Masoaka has a number of other improv discs out as well. I saw her in a trio with Fred Frith and Larry Ochs (tenor sax player from the ROVA sax quartet) some years ago, it was a very very cool show. Sounds like a great trio, Kris! > Thanks. Henry's webmaster just sent me the same link. This is great. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Cavanagh > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:33 PM > Subject: RE: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio > > > Kristen: > > > > All tracks of Séance, featuring Henry Kaiser et al, are available for > download at emusic: http://www.emusic.com/album/10920/10920616.html > > Joe Cavanagh > Producer of GaelSong Radio at http://www.live365.com/stations/omnicelt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio > > > > I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio > I'm playing in now. It is with two women that I met, and who played at > the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates. > The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool > sounding Japanese instrument - http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), > and Jesse on cello. We had our first rehearsal last week and our first > gig is on October 8. > > The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really > interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played > with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to > leverage some ideas. I found one reference to such a trio, with Henry > Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), > and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing > for sale anywere. Any clues? Gretchen lived in Japan for 10 years and > knows a fair amount about the music and instrument. At our first jam > session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just focus on the > sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and koto. I used my > nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my > jazz electric next time, because they think the contrast of acoustic > instruments with my electric will be more unique. > > Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any > scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G > A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to > various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally > over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background. You > can do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra > over the strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one > is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play > atonally...the three of us end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone > piece, though there are no rows or permutations involved. > > Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan > is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the > tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll > continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It > should be fun. I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 04:31:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28E3D3BED0; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <014901c6d51d$8e967230$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--746711338 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: New Guitar/Cello/Koto trio Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:31:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:31:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--746711338 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Cool Kris, I love traditional Koto Music. When you mentioned this trio I thought =20= immediately if this guitar player named Levi Chen who is Chinese and plays Fender Strat and the =20 Chinese equivalent of the koto -- simultaneously. His stuff is fairly solidly on the "new =20= age" end of the spectrum. I forget where I heard him. But I did hear/see him live and it was very =20= interesting. You can dheck out his stuff at: I'm sure you folks will be much more edgy and avant garde. But the =20 combo sounds really intriguing. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 10, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv =20= > trio I'm playing in now.=A0 It is with two women that I met, and who =20= > played at the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music =20 > students/graduates.=A0 The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen = on =20 > Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - =20 > http://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm), and Jesse on cello.=A0 We had = =20 > our first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on October 8.=A0 > > The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is =20 > really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had = =20 > played with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been =20 > done to leverage some ideas.=A0 I found one reference to such a trio, =20= > with=A0Henry Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle =20 > DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I = =20 > can't find the thing for sale anywere.=A0 Any clues?=A0=A0 Gretchen = lived in =20 > Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount about the music and =20 > instrument.=A0 At our first jam session, I didn't do any looping, =20 > because I wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and how it =20= > worked with the cello and koto.=A0 I used my nylon string, but =20 > surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my jazz electric next = =20 > time, because they think the contrast of acoustic instruments with my =20= > electric will be more unique.=A0 > > Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to =20= > any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure =20= > (D Eb G A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she =20= > tunes it to various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and =20= > we play modally over a tonal center, which is great for me with my =20 > jazz background.=A0 You can do some great things with the koto, such = as =20 > scraping the plectra over the strings, bending the strings for other =20= > tones, etc. The fun one is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic =20= > scale and we play atonally...the three of us end up sounding like =20 > we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows or =20 > permutations involved. > > Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My =20 > plan is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on = =20 > the tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over =20 > that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with =20= > the performance. It should be fun.=A0 I hope to record the Oct. 8 =20 > performance. > > Kris > > > = ***********************************************************************=20= > *** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung= --Apple-Mail-2--746711338 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool Kris, I love traditional Koto Music. When you mentioned this trio I thought immediately if this guitar=20 player named Levi Chen who is Chinese and plays Fender Strat and the Chinese equivalent=20 of the koto -- simultaneously. His stuff is fairly solidly on the "new age" end of the spectrum. I forget where I heard him. But I did hear/see him live and it was very interesting. You can dheck out his stuff at: < I'm sure you folks will be much more edgy and avant garde. But the combo sounds really intriguing. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 10, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I can't wait to talk about the new ambient/experimental/free improv trio I'm playing in now.=A0 It is with two women that I met, and who played at the Boise Experimental Music festival, both music students/graduates.=A0 The instrumentation is me on guitar, Gretchen on Koto (a really cool sounding Japanese instrument - = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://home.san.rr.com/koto/instru.htm= ), and Jesse on cello.=A0 We had our first rehearsal last week and our first gig is on October 8.=A0 The instrumentation and contrast of the different instruments is really interesting, and I was wondering if anyone else on the list had played with a koto player - because I'd like to hear what has been done to leverage some ideas.=A0 I found one reference to such a trio, with=A0Henry Kaiser (guitar), Miya Masaoka (koto), and Danielle DeGruttola (cello), and the CD is called Seance by Vex Records...but I can't find the thing for sale anywere.=A0 Any clues?=A0=A0 Gretchen = lived in Japan for 10 years and knows a fair amount about the music and instrument.=A0 At our first jam session, I didn't do any looping, because I wanted to just focus on the sound of my guitar and how it worked with the cello and koto.=A0 I used my nylon string, but surprisingly, both of them requested that I play my jazz electric next time, because they think the contrast of acoustic instruments with my electric will be more unique.=A0 Our basic approach for playing is that Gretchen can tune the Koto to any scale....we start with a traditional Japanese harmonic structure (D Eb G A Bb D) and play with that...and then after that point, she tunes it to various modes (mixolydian, lydian, pentatonic, etc), and we play modally over a tonal center, which is great for me with my jazz background.=A0 You can do some great things with the koto, such as scraping the plectra over the strings, bending the strings for other tones, etc. The fun one is where she tunes the koto to the chromatic scale and we play atonally...the three of us end up sounding like we're playing a 12 tone piece, though there are no rows or permutations involved. Next rehearsal I'll be bringing my notebook system and looping. My plan is to loop some ambient textures of basic melodic motifs based on the tuning of the koto..and then we'll improvise over that...afterwhich I'll continue manipulating the loops to evolve with the performance. It should be fun.=A0 I hope to record the Oct. 8 performance. Kris = *****************************************************************= ********* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - = http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung= --Apple-Mail-2--746711338-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 08:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93E863BED0; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45052E77.32597.52B854@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060907191037.01b1cba8@tiscali.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <6wD-L.A.QqG.zBSBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:38:12 +0000 (UTC) On 7 Sep 2006 at 19:21, a k butler wrote: > Krispen asks > >>So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? A good question! One might not class a looping device as an instrument, since it doesn't generate sound without an input, but neither does a trumpet. Neither is it necessary to "play" an instrument as the source of looped material - I've done pieces in the past where the sole source of input was touching the end of a jack lead plugged into the looper. You can create a wide range of sounds. In addition, a lot of what I do is post-processing the loop, so having generated the loop, the looper is then the instrument that is playing while I mangle the sound further. I used to describe myself as a "looper", but what I do is so far removed from the latest generation of youtube "guitar wanking over a riff" that I shall cease to do so. "Ambient improviser" has a nice ring to it, at least until they market an "ambient" pedal - New from Digitech! Press the pedal, sound like Eno! only $26 All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 09:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 811163BED0; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45052D3A.3020209@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:32:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c6d167$8409a8a0$b98aa344@hppav> <13f601c6d168$65d43d90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <13f601c6d168$65d43d90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > David, do you do PayPal? :) At least your soul is for sale...mine > reach its expiration date long ago.... But you can update to version 5.1 - give it at least a try for 30 days, after that I am sure you can't resist to get the special offer abonnement for only $... (automatic renewal if you do not cancel it 6 months in advance, you can google for the exact price...) That should get you going for the rest of your live... Thanks Bush thats possible today, I bet Walmart will even beat the known specials... Fortunately Luther is dead for a long time, he would make trouble again for sure... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 09:37:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961253BED9; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45052E4A.7000302@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:37:14 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! References: <12a501c6d0a7$2f1c2f90$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <31133c81f2ae1b02b45263ec31f4c018@pfmentum.com> <13be01c6d158$ac2ebff0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <13be01c6d158$ac2ebff0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > AND, I am compelled to finally say I am now the proud owner of > MAX/MSP....now I just need to figure out how to use the damn thing. It's like learning to play guitar, you'll have fun from the first moment, but need years to master it... (Maybe nobody told you that, but now its too late... ;-) There are enough good teachers out there.... Actually I think Max/MSP is an instrument... (more than any VST effect could be for you...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:07:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2BD3BEC5; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45053570.2040808@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:07:44 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux MIDI-OX? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:07:48 +0000 (UTC) jacobs wrote: > I'm hoping maybe someone on here knows of a Linux solution to the > Windows program MIDOX. I need to translate incoming MIDI program changes > into other MIDI data and send it back out in realtime. Anyone? Hopefully > something with a built in sequencer as well, albeit a simple one. As I do anything in Max/MSP on a Mac, I would do everything in Pd on a Linux machine. Just create it yourself. Should be easy and should get you going into the patching world... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A993BED5; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:25:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 27 aug 2006, at 00.26, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> Do you have max? I'm curious if the max patch itself would work on >> your machine..... I had an issue with opening the Kaiserlooper collective in Max 4.6.1. The adc~ would produce a fragload error. After just once instantiating an adc~ it would load fine. There might be some whoes with the new UB versions of Max and old collectives. It seams an old adc~ is incorporated in the collective somehow (it should not, as its an Max internal)... Maybe recreate the application with 4.6.1. By the way, is the looper also available as source? Just curious... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AB883BED0; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45053EF6.1030806@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:48:22 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: single rack space line mixer with stereo effect loop(s) revisited! (?) References: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060905041919.61106.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey > > I'm at the end of a big reconfigure and I'm finding > now that I can free up valuable space if I moved my > submixer to a rack. Anyone want to recommend a good > single rack space line mixer with an effect loop or > two? 4 stereo channels is all that's needed but 8 > would be great. If you would like a midi controlable mixer, I still have four MotU Mixer 7s. Each would have 7 stereo inputs, aux and effect sends. But only controlable by Midi... I'd give them away dead cheap, they have been not in use for too long... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 15:46:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4920B3BEC5; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:24 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060911154624.19160@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060908183859.86312.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark yes... my old problem those &%/$&% rack mixers all seem to have mono Aux Send... I eventually ended up getting the smallest new Mackie Onyx 1202. It has some stereo Aux Sends (Mute button = Aux3/4) very conveniently activated with just a button press. I like that :-) Else, you might take a look at Monitor Matrix Mixers. They are actually for a different purpose but might do the job. Check out: - Mackie Big Knob (300$) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-Big-Knob-Studio-Command-System?sku=700343 - Behringer MiniMon (for 40 bucks!): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MINIMON-MON800-Stereo-Monitor-Matrix-Mixer?sku=182041 You might also want to check all the little boxes developed by ART. Chances are they have something useful. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 15:58:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BBD23BECA; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:58:24 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060911155824.19150@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55ec1d390609080635y38b690b3n9c05836a68145d59@mail.gmail.com> <55ec1d390609080640t34f8b633ya71168bdba9d4ab@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping vocals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:58:26 +0000 (UTC) My suggestions - similar to the ones here before: Boss RC-50 Loop Station: Has separate MIC/GUITAR/LINE inputs with separate gain controls. Other than little ART Mic Preamp, you might get a small mixer like the Tapco Mix 50: http://www.tapcoworld.com/products/mixseries/index.html or Behringer. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 16:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80FC93BED6; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Stereo audio routing question... Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6708@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911154624.19160@gmx.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Stereo audio routing question... Thread-Index: AcbVuXMEtBOeA9JBT1a64Lv3HAdtYQAAFe0Q From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <_BcReD.A.EcE.jhYBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:01:39 +0000 (UTC) It's on the expensive side, but a MOTU 828mkII can function as a rack mixer and you can use "CueMix DSP" to use one pair of IO ports as a stereo effects send. You don't have to have it connected to a computer to do this, though the interface is a bit tedious. The bonus is that it can also function as an audio interface for your laptop, but you would need a firewire port. Traveler can do similar things and is smaller, but you only have 8 analog IO ports so you could only have 3 stereo devices with a stereo send. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 17:37:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2DA63BEC7; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DecMPj9RKNmIbi9cGN/cVcb4OnfiHhSTFeD1SDcgVRL6i+7PKMzv5kRVmKwsGtVZ9Ch+G8ux092F0w+T+G0M4Yu0MDTDbZg6Yl4ao0qpjTaIYV3ju/ubI8PTT4K0+NR/xhoamVCiT2M0NBwxAuXHKks6cD/XSKwK7We9jC6nqbQ= ; Message-ID: <20060911173658.45701.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: OT: Stereo audio routing question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6708@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:37:00 +0000 (UTC) I use the original 828 as my main audio interface for my Mac and it works great. Before this email I've toyed with the idea of using it more for it's send capabilities. One of it's output pairs is already dedicated to a submixer which used to feed my Repeater... until my friend Andy stole it! ;) (Hi Andy!) now it feeds my laptop. I guess it could just as easily work for me. Perhaps tonight I'll fool with it. Thanks for the idea. Mark --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > It's on the expensive side, but a MOTU 828mkII can > function as a rack > mixer and you can use "CueMix DSP" to use one pair > of IO ports as > a stereo effects send. You don't have to have it > connected to a > computer > to do this, though the interface is a bit tedious. > The bonus is > that it can also function as an audio interface for > your laptop, > but you would need a firewire port. Traveler can do > similar things > and is smaller, but you only have 8 analog IO ports > so you could > only have 3 stereo devices with a stereo send. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 18:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6ACA3BEB9; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DmVoAc0EJoHlPgXaMw6ToV6r9p9GMpfEq/vCiwX/95hnA0e+rAS3J89fAz5TW8R1YhLHefOrB0Xj9854Jz4v/TbPUcsYQgcqCqz728UVE/QqMGijEDbrm7yMEaqAw+iyU/rHtnBA4czfx0vzxT115aZVVADSGuIjJARuUC+TqCE= ; Message-ID: <20060911183224.68823.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45052E4A.7000302@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Think of it as an instrument or an effect? ;) (Mark ducks) --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Actually I think Max/MSP is an instrument... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 18:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66FC3BEC5; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CpCZslAy2ymNmCoFJDzlgad09cwe8382i/TvCHN1aWPW8yfyXPRHxDaCYmqQmD8hxf4kl5VJSCGyPFZ3gidp8r4c+jWEgn3O5tk8JpXmAx4WsEAfH+V15d3ckVGQWkMlVKqxU1cV1QO5GEUMDKCHcTt//ZuIT2YC3Oq9LLjzVOI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060911183224.68823.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060911183224.68823.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:41:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) On 11 sep 2006, at 20.32, mark sottilaro wrote: > Think of it as an instrument or an effect? ;) > (Mark ducks) ducks - more instrumental than dogs. p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 18:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABDE33BED2; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sdcJInDxs7Ccg/hTrkxTL8q/YoD+8y7ag/M7RkbBlC3VdXqcpsM2nVw8MGtF5GBxWOLUjuspL7H4Aoft02ZFBhkSYdretakmLpQUro4Yb7NND/xTZC7wBW7X5B3ndhAGQ+V81E015TpP9OTv7OgPRnOHgrukRBMtIJKhRkdvJFQ= ; Message-ID: <20060911184219.79850.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45052E77.32597.52B854@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:42:20 +0000 (UTC) --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > On 7 Sep 2006 at 19:21, a k butler wrote: > In addition, a lot of what I do is post-processing > the loop, so > having generated the loop, the looper is then the > instrument that is > playing while I mangle the sound further. Exactly. The looper becomes your oscillator. >New from > Digitech! Press the pedal, sound like Eno! only $26 Don't laugh. In the SF Giant Robot store they have a "buddha box" which seemed to be an iPod sized box with a built in speaker that generated 9 different drones. Sounded very cool. http://www.fm3.com.cn/buddhamachine.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 22:37:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE563BEB8; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WDkwrQWcYtiE2EYf7nZH/2/ClJ1EtiKwpbvC51iXCAPqOZYsZB8bluanWI2jOVabJEjoISs9BP0lGyxCQ/3w8CWJ1YaA/H5ETHBSbSX20xlv6yulsXvHMUfnO0M4daEMoKGpaaSuR7Day5+p8G97DWi5bkZ7TXRVir7iyvCd6Do= ; Message-ID: <20060911223724.59767.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Compact efx mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060911154624.19160@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:37:25 +0000 (UTC) hey gangsters, I am considering upgrading from my old mackie vlz1202 to this one: http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=34 although i loved the little mackie,i had to carry an xtra reverb proccesor to put after the loopers and i am trying to minimize my rack,it seems it has all the features the mackie has plus the USB bonus anybody using one? cheers Luis --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Mark > > yes... my old problem those &%/$&% rack mixers all > seem to have mono Aux Send... > > I eventually ended up getting the smallest new > Mackie Onyx 1202. It has some stereo Aux Sends (Mute > button = Aux3/4) very conveniently activated with > just a button press. I like that :-) > > Else, you might take a look at Monitor Matrix > Mixers. They are actually for a different purpose > but might do the job. Check out: > - Mackie Big Knob (300$) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-Big-Knob-Studio-Command-System?sku=700343 > - Behringer MiniMon (for 40 bucks!): > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MINIMON-MON800-Stereo-Monitor-Matrix-Mixer?sku=182041 > > You might also want to check all the little boxes > developed by ART. Chances are they have something > useful. > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 23:03:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA253BECA; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2216.69.59.207.172.1158015816.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060911223724.59767.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060911154624.19160@gmx.net> <20060911223724.59767.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Compact efx mixers From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:03:38 +0000 (UTC) The trumpet player in my band uses one of these to mix his dry trumpet, processed trumpet and laptop. He's had it about 2 years and played a ton of gigs with it, seems to be holding up well. Seems like a great value for the price. > hey gangsters, > I am considering upgrading from my old mackie vlz1202 > to this one: > http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=34 > although i loved the little mackie,i had to carry an > xtra reverb proccesor to put after the loopers and i > am trying to minimize my rack,it seems it has all the > features the mackie has plus the USB bonus anybody > using one? > cheers > Luis > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi Mark >> >> yes... my old problem those &%/$&% rack mixers all >> seem to have mono Aux Send... >> >> I eventually ended up getting the smallest new >> Mackie Onyx 1202. It has some stereo Aux Sends (Mute >> button = Aux3/4) very conveniently activated with >> just a button press. I like that :-) >> >> Else, you might take a look at Monitor Matrix >> Mixers. They are actually for a different purpose >> but might do the job. Check out: >> - Mackie Big Knob (300$) >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-Big-Knob-Studio-Command-System?sku=700343 >> - Behringer MiniMon (for 40 bucks!): >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MINIMON-MON800-Stereo-Monitor-Matrix-Mixer?sku=182041 >> >> You might also want to check all the little boxes >> developed by ART. Chances are they have something >> useful. >> >> Best regards >> Buzap >> >> -- >> >> >> "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... >> Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: >> http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 23:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 249E03BEC7; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SOjxkTeEAYcyfN4Gy8lMAP2yOsMVi2WWktgsac3nGte70bQoFPdQOxE7ekCKCj6YNmLz58CqmOwNZ5f4hgTORdyCGLwqK5aRaShx0LdsTO6dojRIua0EK67Wyd5ub8vOG5txOAacUICMngBgXPX7EEPjEg9T4+zU8UzDnFjwEyk= ; Message-ID: <20060911233523.29649.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5534162.1157926230716.JavaMail.root@sf1439> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey Jacob, its kind of hard to see what you have on the floor, is the sequenced looping coming from the digitech and...? > > I have mixed feelings on this topic, but ultimately > I think the question it broils down to is 'who is > your audience?' For my own work, I receive a steady > stream of criticism for not doing enough to showcase > the technology, and 'that's where the magic is' is a > statement I've heard on more than on occasion. This > kind of comment however comes from technology > oriented people, who only make up a small part of my > audience. As I'd like to think of myself as a > musician, rather than a 'Laptop DJ' (and there are > way too many of those around), the approach I take > is simply play my music and let the technology > demonstrate itself. Technology oriented people can > and will take an interest and figure out for > themselves what makes it tick - other people proably > arn't that intetested to start with and will just > listen to the music. > > Technology to me has a more important role to play - > my requirements are for a system which is highly > portable, easy to setup and very reliable. My setup > time is now down to about 2 minutes, down from 1/2 > hour in my early days, I just chuck the rig on the > floor, plug the power in and go. I'm well aware > that and hiccups from the technology will have a > negative impact on my concentration and ability to > perform - technology needs to just work and not get > in the way, and lets even leave aside > band/stage/sound engineering politics from the > equation > > My set now has a number of phases with the tecnology > involvment from 'none' to 'insane', I think this > helps to satisfy the tecnology, musical, and general > beer drinking oriented segments of my audience: > > Insane - live looping with foot control, vast > variety of instrument control from one guitar, > including octave shift (bass), MIDI triggering > (rhythm and synthersizer control). No backing > tracks - all live > Midway - sequenced backing track, generally with > drums and bass, maybe a splash of extra keyboard > parts. Looping controlled from sequencer, as are > patch changes for my guitar processing. Lets me > play a respectable cover of 'Nothing Else Matters' > always goes down well > None - put all technology aside, pick up guitar and > play classical - makes a great interlude > > Jacob > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEY_m1WMMZg > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/guitarworkstation > http://www.keystoneframework.org/ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 00:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABE73BEC1; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ROgkCwtDXlCI6lVs1MceGk4Lvw5vef5yF5DfAs4a73Zax2EE2BA56d2bjlwfTMs+27rCVFtR8D9IJv7r0wGUe22fNYXRQZvgRVRyX7fgiqihe6a4dGkWYJ0Ze8CussC9ErZ//c8HQgGrshpPvQYAK248eo8/B8WooxGH66N+Hsc= ; Message-ID: <20060912000700.93576.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping vocals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4501A42E.1020508@bagend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_2gc7D.A.PHH.lofBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:07:01 +0000 (UTC) ive been using the DL4 for vocals lately, an sm58 into its input and out direct into a mixer and i think it sounds superb,actually like it better than proccesing my guitar with it! Luis --- Henry Heine wrote: > What you need is a mic preamp - to get the level up > to match the guitar > signal. Then just use any old A-B-Y footswitch to > route those. > > Henry > > neil thomas wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. > > > > I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a > Boomerang, which I > > bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, > robust, easy to use, > > etc... but the problem was that the sample rate > was quite low and it > > seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top end, > which is essential for > > beatboxing. So... I tried two other pedals: > > > > The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it > straight back, as I > > realised it had no input gain control, which meant > that I couldn't use a > > mic straight in. I decided therefore that for a > little extra money I > > could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit sample > rate and extra delay > > effects, which I could use in other applications. > So... > > > > The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for > guitar - Crystal clear > > and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with > vocals. > > > > Here lies the question... > > > > Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic > signal, without colouring > > the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so that I can > switch the input > > between guitar and beatbox or both. The ideal > solution would be an A/B/Y > > box with independent gain controls. Does anyone > know of such a thing? > > > > This has been the bane of my creative life for > some time now. If anyone > > can help, I'll give them my first-born iguana. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Neil x > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 00:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274CE3BECD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OVvyKedI4lE47Wx8aChlcIr9yidKx9d7qxiuMJEl1HpIc3Jigp0n2u7eIEUEFKcgKsfqb1/Ao7taMZ8SL3jz8R2+aAa+FnTJEG8UJJznsNTaBHOS2VbehHhIwpZqlwE0TQ1ifNf6VM5G6OusVDZh/3kWOUNGvFfUquNIgtvGL6E= ; Message-ID: <20060912001215.89267.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping vocals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:12:17 +0000 (UTC) also check out the digitech Jamman looper http://www.digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm it has a mic input with gain i believe. Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > You can use one of those Radio Shack mic to 1/4" > barrel mounted > transformers with pretty good results... THere are > several loopers > out there which have Mic inputs, too.... Boss RC-50, > DIgitech GNX-3 > and GNX-4... the Electro harmonic 2880, which by > the way has > independent gain controls for it's two inputs. > > > >Hi, > > > >I have a conundrum... I wonder if anyone can help. > > > >I'm a guitarist and beatboxer, and I used to own a > Boomerang, which > >I bought so that I could loop my voice. It was big, > robust, easy to > >use, etc... but the problem was that the sample > rate was quite low > >and it seemed to cut off a heck of a lot of top > end, which is > >essential for beatboxing. So... I tried two other > pedals: > > > >The Akai E2 Headrush - I bought one and took it > straight back, as I > >realised it had no input gain control, which meant > that I couldn't > >use a mic straight in. I decided therefore that for > a little extra > >money I could have the Line 6 DL4, with its 24bit > sample rate and > >extra delay effects, which I could use in other > applications. So... > > > >The DL4 - This is what I own now. It's great for > guitar - Crystal > >clear and easy to use, but I'm yet to try it with > vocals. > > > >Here lies the question... > > > >Does anyone know of a way I can gain up a mic > signal, without > >colouring the tone? I also want an A/B/Y box so > that I can switch > >the input between guitar and beatbox or both. The > ideal solution > >would be an A/B/Y box with independent gain > controls. Does anyone > >know of such a thing? > > > >This has been the bane of my creative life for some > time now. If > >anyone can help, I'll give them my first-born > iguana. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Neil x > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 01:25:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22B483BEB9; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.133.144.216] Message-ID: <45060C7C.2090708@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:25:16 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact efx mixers References: <20060911223724.59767.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060911223724.59767.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040802080503040304020403" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2pFE0.A.3dB.DygBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:25:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040802080503040304020403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No, but I've looked at them myself. I decided against it because it's only 2 x 2 through the USB, and I really need at least 4 outs. --Josh L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey gangsters, > I am considering upgrading from my old mackie vlz1202 > to this one: > http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=34 > although i loved the little mackie,i had to carry an > xtra reverb proccesor to put after the loopers and i > am trying to minimize my rack,it seems it has all the > features the mackie has plus the USB bonus anybody > using one? > cheers > Luis > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > >> Hi Mark >> >> yes... my old problem those &%/$&% rack mixers all >> seem to have mono Aux Send... >> >> I eventually ended up getting the smallest new >> Mackie Onyx 1202. It has some stereo Aux Sends (Mute >> button = Aux3/4) very conveniently activated with >> just a button press. I like that :-) >> >> Else, you might take a look at Monitor Matrix >> Mixers. They are actually for a different purpose >> but might do the job. Check out: >> - Mackie Big Knob (300$) >> >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-Big-Knob-Studio-Command-System?sku=700343 > >> - Behringer MiniMon (for 40 bucks!): >> >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MINIMON-MON800-Stereo-Monitor-Matrix-Mixer?sku=182041 > >> You might also want to check all the little boxes >> developed by ART. Chances are they have something >> useful. >> >> Best regards >> Buzap >> >> -- >> >> >> "Feel free" âEUR" 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... >> Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: >> http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------040802080503040304020403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, but I've looked at them myself.  I decided against it because it's only 2 x 2 through the USB, and I really need at least 4 outs.

--Josh



L.A. Angulo wrote: 
hey gangsters,
I am considering upgrading from my old mackie vlz1202
to this one:
http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=34
although i loved the little mackie,i had to carry an
xtra reverb proccesor to put after the loopers and i
am trying to minimize my rack,it seems it has all the
features the mackie has plus the USB bonus anybody
using one?
cheers
Luis


--- Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

  
Hi Mark

yes... my old problem those &%/$&% rack mixers all
seem to have mono Aux Send...

I eventually ended up getting the smallest new
Mackie Onyx 1202. It has some stereo Aux Sends (Mute
button = Aux3/4) very conveniently activated with
just a button press. I like that :-)

Else, you might take a look at Monitor Matrix
Mixers. They are actually for a different purpose
but might do the job. Check out:
- Mackie Big Knob (300$)

    
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-Big-Knob-Studio-Command-System?sku=700343
  
- Behringer MiniMon (for 40 bucks!):

    
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-MINIMON-MON800-Stereo-Monitor-Matrix-Mixer?sku=182041
  
You might also want to check all the little boxes
developed by ART. Chances are they have something
useful.

Best regards
Buzap

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--------------040802080503040304020403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 01:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCAAA3BEC5; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:45:19 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with EDP synced to PC Message-ID: <20060912014519.GA13864@funkytown.ralph> References: <20060911235926.7575.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060911235926.7575.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.60 () [Tag at 15.00] J_CHICKENPOX_74 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:44:23 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 04:59:26PM -0700, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Rick, > just wanted to ask you what program do u use for > backing tracks synced to the EDP? ive been using the > EDP synced to a MPC1000 but thinking about getting a > laptop and getting rid of the sampler,what are your > thoughts in terms of reliability,pros and cons etc.? > thanx for the info! > Luis > I use a powerbook with Ableton Live. Or I mess around with seq24 on the linux side. Reliability and computers and clubs I never feel comfortable with, but the versatility and ease of use I can't deny :O) Thought about using an MPC1000 also. Didn't know if you can change loops easily with a floor unit such as the Behringer midi controller though. > > hey all, lookin' for a little input. > > I've had the opportunity to do some solo acoustic work > and really would > like to. Being that I don't sing, I'm not sure about > what to all do. > There not pressure jobs. Restaurant/coffee shop > atmosphere where I > would be there more as background music than watched > as a performance. > I just don't wanna get up there and "jam" all night. > > I use my echoplex at home alot for fun and have been > using backing > tracks via computer for bar work with bands for a > while, so I have > tools > at my disposal. > > Just looking for some direction ideas or any advice. > > thanks, > rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 09:06:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1563BECA; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Vntz1p+8CAVxTPCUxro0L38ebJ4WDDaEyrt7q4QC4UmIqO2X00LqFeASmkUQC832Ll4bd+tvHEh8lKk/Zn/GLH8SmQIbO4S98Pmr39z+k1bt5B0tiHgjzRLyCQ8ufJ0w0Ugrkv96j+61MX4PqKt1L+zt5ntACwM56kYTKmpqv38= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:06:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Some pix from the Castel dei Mondi Off concerts in Andria, Italy: Zoe Keating (among others) http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm Boysen Network Ensemble (among others) http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=235 The percussionist/painter and the singer were both wearing wireless cameras. Percussionist/painter on his googles and the singer on her "flower helmet antenna"; a metal construction stretching forwards from her head holding the camera so the audience could watch the screen to see her face close up in a steady focus while the background is flickering heavily with any movement of her head. A backline assistant was mixing between the two cameras during the show. An inexpensive Wireless Spy Cam Kit was used and it worked very well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 12:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292CA3BEC7; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHJEBkWBT4oWAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060912130855.01bc6ae8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:33:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure In-Reply-To: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.co m> References: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:33:16 +0000 (UTC) >OK, I'll bite. thank you > So is it possible to venture a theory of sound structure creation > through the use of loops? I don't see why not. >the fact that purely repeated acoustic material becomes nauseatingly >tedious without some, however subtle, change. That is, the sound >must be affected in some way in order that the repetition produce >some meaningful or desirable effect. actually there's a whole load of ways to keep a loop interesting without having to post process it, Subject: Techniques to stop loops getting boring if that's of interest >I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new >possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something >that was there all along. For me, there's new possibilities. > What becomes interesting then is the notion of complex loop > clusters becoming compositional structures, something like a > loop-network, and allowing repetition, and hence looping, I don't think the looper has to be complex, it's the ability of the player to control the device which creates the interest. >a metonymic capability for understanding the world around us. ahhh...that beats me, what's it mean? Kris? anyone? >cheers >omjn andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 12:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D01A3BECA; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABJGBkWBT4oWAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060912133732.01bc75b8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:42:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <20060911184219.79850.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45052E77.32597.52B854@nick.12testing.net> <20060911184219.79850.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:42:07 +0000 (UTC) >--- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > > > On 7 Sep 2006 at 19:21, a k butler wrote: > > In addition, a lot of what I do is post-processing > > the loop, so > > having generated the loop, the looper is then the > > instrument that is > > playing while I mangle the sound further. just to clarify, the above comment was made by Nick Robinson, who carries more gear around than I do. I don't post process usually because my simple gear setup won't do that. andybutler ....and I thought you'd finished this thread, Mark ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 13:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C9833BECA; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:53:30 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Great photos Per! Thanks for sharing. Wow, I wish I could have been there to see that! Did your group get to rehearse at all, or was it all spur of the moment? Also, I love the picture of Zoe sitting on the edge of the stage talking to a fan after her set. I'm so sick of aloof performers who refuse to connect. --Josh PS: The direct link to your photos appears to have been removed, but they can be seen by scrolling down the page you linked to first. Per Boysen wrote: > Some pix from the Castel dei Mondi Off concerts in Andria, Italy: > > Zoe Keating (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm > > Boysen Network Ensemble (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=235 > > The percussionist/painter and the singer were both wearing wireless > cameras. Percussionist/painter on his googles and the singer on her > "flower helmet antenna"; a metal construction stretching forwards from > her head holding the camera so the audience could watch the screen to > see her face close up in a steady focus while the background is > flickering heavily with any movement of her head. A backline assistant > was mixing between the two cameras during the show. An inexpensive > Wireless Spy Cam Kit was used and it worked very well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 14:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119C43BECD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IfJGjUsHrjiFezkX4ECXLsWr/kl4/V0wjHfoGsyhf4qAW0Twaamg2TClFHo76wKUGGZ1Pecq46ufyqrOnzBazShxesGnBdtmNcBYbXYzu/HS49eevcAa7ZIGo58DKxW+8+qan1xhGm7t7p/yrtYSP2+yEuapoFkWUcVqCAV424A= Message-ID: <913728d60609120726m22110c92j677044725dab39d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:26:35 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) In-Reply-To: <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:26:38 +0000 (UTC) very cool Per! it looks like it was a fun gig for all, sans the lost luggage ;) Charlie On 9/12/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Great photos Per! Thanks for sharing. Wow, I wish I could have been > there to see that! Did your group get to rehearse at all, or was it all > spur of the moment? > > Also, I love the picture of Zoe sitting on the edge of the stage talking > to a fan after her set. I'm so sick of aloof performers who refuse to > connect. > > --Josh > > PS: The direct link to your photos appears to have been removed, but > they can be seen by scrolling down the page you linked to first. > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > Some pix from the Castel dei Mondi Off concerts in Andria, Italy: > > > > Zoe Keating (among others) > > http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm > > > > Boysen Network Ensemble (among others) > > http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=235 > > > > The percussionist/painter and the singer were both wearing wireless > > cameras. Percussionist/painter on his googles and the singer on her > > "flower helmet antenna"; a metal construction stretching forwards from > > her head holding the camera so the audience could watch the screen to > > see her face close up in a steady focus while the background is > > flickering heavily with any movement of her head. A backline assistant > > was mixing between the two cameras during the show. An inexpensive > > Wireless Spy Cam Kit was used and it worked very well. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 14:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D803BEC1; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,154,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="31790738:sNHT114546986" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:41:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, That looks like a lovely show. Quite a crazy variety . . . and obvious showmanship involved. Thanks for posting. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 12, 2006, at 2:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Some pix from the Castel dei Mondi Off concerts in Andria, Italy: > > Zoe Keating (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm > > Boysen Network Ensemble (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=235 > > The percussionist/painter and the singer were both wearing wireless > cameras. Percussionist/painter on his googles and the singer on her > "flower helmet antenna"; a metal construction stretching forwards from > her head holding the camera so the audience could watch the screen to > see her face close up in a steady focus while the background is > flickering heavily with any movement of her head. A backline assistant > was mixing between the two cameras during the show. An inexpensive > Wireless Spy Cam Kit was used and it worked very well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:02:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96D2B3BEB8; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: CD Production Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:01:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0331_01C6D68D.269C0610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2006 15:01:57.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[64AAC600:01C6D67C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:02:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0331_01C6D68D.269C0610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some problems = to solve. These are the questions: - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution = (CD Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel = case, color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and = UPC bar code ? If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't = hesitate to tell me... Thanks Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0331_01C6D68D.269C0610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people, =
In these days I'm = working hard to=20 release my new CD.
It's the first time I = produce a=20 "professional CD" and I've some problems to solve.
 
These are the=20 questions:
- How much copies do = you=20 think are right, thinking of web distribution (CD Baby or similar), = promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc...
- What price do you = think is good=20 to calculate for one copy in jewel case, color booklet 2+2 and = color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar code=20 ?
 
If ther's something = other=20 interesting I should know, please don't hesitate to tell = me...
Thanks
Fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eteroge= neo=20
------=_NextPart_000_0331_01C6D68D.269C0610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:06:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B533BECC; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016901c6d67d$0334b600$6c2cd255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> <913728d60609120726m22110c92j677044725dab39d3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: OT Short Firewire leads? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3m3_N.A.1I.pzsBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Does anyone know where you can get hold of short firewire leads, all I need is one to go from my laptop to my MOTU Traveller which is directly underneath it. 1.5 metres seems a slightly excessive ammount of unnessesary cabling. Any ideas? Cheers Dan www.myspace.com/danmayfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:22:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74B03BECF; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037001c6d67f$3b0dab20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: CD Production Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:22:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_036D_01C6D64C.EF36EA90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:22:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C6D64C.EF36EA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always start with a 100 copies of my CDs, but then again I don't play = that much and don't sell a lot of CDs. And you can't always do this if = you go with the glass mastered approach. Are you going with glass = mastered CDs? In my experience, the manufacturers who do glass = mastering charge more and tend to require a minimum of 500 CDs to = start....so that could impact your pricing. =20 For all my projects now, I go with high quality CD-Rs now from = DiskFaktory, which are virtually indistinguishable from glass mastered = CDs, and I've never had a single person send a CD back because it didn't = play in their CD player...they are using some award winning and = proprietary method for coping their CDs. The CDs costs $3 a piece ($300 = for 100) - silver backed CD-R (80 min) with full color printing on the = front, full color 4 panel sleeve, full color tray insert, inside (see = through jewel case) and out, and shrink wrapping. I used to price my = CDs at $12.99 on CD Baby, which meant I got $9 profit, but I know sell = all my CDs on CD Baby for $5, just because I don't do it for the money. = $12.99 seems reasonable these days. But then again prices are all over the place on CD Baby. I think it = depends on your marketing approach. There are some theories and research = that recommend how to price products in the market place to be = competitive, but I am not familiar with them off hand. All I know is = that after I priced my CDs down to $5, a lot more people are buying them = on CD Baby and at my gigs. I had to send new shipments to CD Baby a = week after I changed my pricing approach. For me, it is more important = to get my music out then to make a profit on my CDs. I make more money = by playing gigs. But I know that this is neither an option nor desire = for most other musicians.=20 Let me know when your CD is available, Fabio...I'll buy it. :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hi people,=20 In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some = problems to solve. These are the questions: - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution = (CD Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel = case, color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and = UPC bar code ? If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't = hesitate to tell me... Thanks Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C6D64C.EF36EA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I always start with a 100 copies of my = CDs, but=20 then again I don't play that much and don't sell a lot of CDs.  And = you=20 can't always do this if you go with the glass mastered = approach. Are=20 you going with glass mastered CDs?  In my experience, the=20 manufacturers who do glass mastering charge more and tend to require a = minimum=20 of 500 CDs to start....so that could impact your=20 pricing.  
 
For all my projects now, I go with high = quality=20 CD-Rs now from DiskFaktory, which are virtually indistinguishable from = glass=20 mastered CDs, and I've never had a single person send a CD back because = it=20 didn't play in their CD player...they are using some award winning and=20 proprietary method for coping their CDs.  The CDs costs $3=20 a piece ($300 for 100) - silver backed CD-R (80 min) with = full=20 color printing on the front, full color 4 panel sleeve, full color tray = insert,=20 inside (see through jewel case) and out, and shrink wrapping.  I = used to=20 price my CDs at $12.99 on CD Baby, which meant I got $9 profit, but I = know sell=20 all my CDs on CD Baby for $5, just because I don't do it for=20 the money.  $12.99 seems reasonable these days.
 
But then again prices are all over the = place on CD=20 Baby. I think it depends on your marketing approach. There are some = theories and=20 research that recommend how to price products in the market place to be=20 competitive,  but I am not familiar with them off hand. All I know = is that=20 after I priced my CDs down to $5, a lot more people are buying them on = CD Baby=20 and at my gigs.  I had to send new shipments to CD Baby a week = after I=20 changed my pricing approach.  For me, it is more important to get = my music=20 out then to make a profit on my CDs. I make more money by playing gigs. = But I=20 know that this is neither an option nor desire for most other musicians. =
 
Let me know when your CD is available, = Fabio...I'll=20 buy it. :)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
Hi people, =
In these days I'm = working hard to=20 release my new CD.
It's the first time I = produce a=20 "professional CD" and I've some problems to solve.
 
These are the=20 questions:
- How much copies do = you=20 think are right, thinking of web distribution (CD Baby or = similar),=20 promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc...
- What price do you = think is good=20 to calculate for one copy in jewel case, color booklet = 2+2 and=20 color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar code=20 ?
 
If ther's something = other=20 interesting I should know, please don't hesitate to tell = me...
Thanks
Fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eteroge= neo=20
------=_NextPart_000_036D_01C6D64C.EF36EA90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:45:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8410F3BECC; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hKjG2AmTQOxTKP1ksIPWPh0OZOBM7aIlXfABP5cppirEArat+5CmS2rec1hvnhB3R8qcBRekHdiDd4sHh52pwjhROeKFfUzM7U4fhhFhd3PGLo9ynP56vQdTNFTNaw/1g8WPJ3j67xYfAZxC/A3Zc5wYhP+GCo+xi/ysyB0FrEk= Message-ID: <339c30110609120845qbbec4c6re49bee902a57efb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:45:10 +0900 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060912130855.01bc6ae8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3707_4158284.1158075910689" References: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060912130855.01bc6ae8@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3707_4158284.1158075910689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline andy and kris, thanks for biting back. just don't take my ear On 9/12/06, a k butler wrote: > actually there's a whole load of ways to keep a loop interesting > without having to post process it, > > Subject: Techniques to stop loops getting boring > > if that's of interest yes, of course, I was not explicitly referring to post-processing. What I mean is that the sound must change, or at least, from the listener's perspective, have the appearance of changing. Which is what I meant by affecting the sound rather than effecting it. As a composer, or player, we have to do something to the sound rather that just let it repeat unchanged. So techniques can involve, as you mentioned Kris, reversing, chopping or sequencing as well as mangling in your favorite tone mangler. There are times when I like to investigate the threshold for pure repetition, just unchanging repetition, but that is just personal inclination for stretching listening boundaries and personal tolerance. Which is partly my question - if we are talking about structure then structures are built to do someting, to achieve an end. Whilst, let's say, 'controlling' your loops can be entirely done for the purpose of making the sounds interesting (or not boring, but is that really the best challenge we can set ourselves?), I am interested in the whole range of motivations for control. That is, as a loop controller, one might be trying to set up a groove, get the dance floor bustling, mix-up an otherwise generic band setup, set an ambiance, challenge the listener's preconceptions, challenge the listener's pain threshold. I don't know, just what are people trying to do with loops? So for me the question is - are there specific methods of control, ways of looping if you like, that produce different end results for the listener (in as much as the endless variety of subjective responses to music muddies such a question)? In other words, how do we turn people on with loops, and what do we turn them onto and into? >I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new > >possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something > >that was there all along. > > For me, there's new possibilities. Yes, I didn't mean to sound negative, as I'm totally into the potential of loops and what they can be used to achieve. Which was my point again, I guess - there is no doubt a myriad of musical possibilities yet to be explored with looping, but if one is to advance a theory of loop structures (sorry, it's what I've been trying to do for the last 8 years of academic study, so I have alterior motives and methodological bias) then the idea of structures for me needs to be thought of not just from a musical perspective but from a general view of aesthetics - what do these structures do for people. So for me it's more interesting that loops can make people loop in on the world around them - see and hear what was already there but that which they may have missed otherwise. I don't think the looper has to be complex, it's the ability of the > player to control the device which creates the interest. again, I agree, but controlling to what end? Complexity in structure is useful if the player is trying to communicate something about complexity, though of course not necessarily necessary. As a composer, without trying to add pretense to an already spurious ramble, I'm interested in combining all the techniques and structural ideas talked about here and more, to achieve large scale investigations of loops - looping theory in practice if you like. >a metonymic capability for understanding the world around us. > > ahhh...that beats me, what's it mean? Kris? anyone? yeah, ahh, I guess put more simply, can loop compositions or loop structures teach us anything about the way repetition works in the world around us, or indeed, the way we might be able to apply it in our everyday lives? omjn ------=_Part_3707_4158284.1158075910689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline andy and kris,

thanks for biting back.  just don't take my ear=

On 9/12/06, a k butler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk > wrote:
actually there's a whole load of ways to keep a loop interesting without having to post process it,

Subject: Techniques to stop loops= getting boring

if that's of interest

yes, of c= ourse, I was not explicitly referring to post-processing.  What I mean= is that the sound must change, or at least, from the listener's perspectiv= e, have the appearance of changing.  Which is what I meant by affectin= g the sound rather than effecting it.  As a composer, or player, we ha= ve to do something to the sound rather that just let it repeat unchanged.&n= bsp; So techniques can involve, as you mentioned Kris, reversing, chopping = or sequencing as well as mangling in your favorite tone mangler.  Ther= e are times when I like to investigate the threshold for pure repetition, j= ust unchanging repetition, but that is just personal inclination for stretc= hing listening boundaries and personal tolerance.  Which is partly my = question - if we are talking about structure then structures are built to d= o someting, to achieve an end.  Whilst, let's say, 'controlling' your = loops can be entirely done for the purpose of making the sounds interesting= (or not boring, but is that really the best challenge we can set ourselves= ?), I am interested in the whole range of motivations for control.  Th= at is, as a loop controller, one might be trying to set up a groove, get th= e dance floor bustling, mix-up an otherwise generic band setup, set an ambi= ance, challenge the listener's preconceptions, challenge the listener's pai= n threshold.  I don't know, just what are people trying to do with loo= ps?

So for me the question is - are there specific methods of control, = ways of looping if you like, that produce different end results for the lis= tener (in as much as the endless variety of subjective responses to music m= uddies such a question)?  In other words, how do we turn people on wit= h loops, and what do we turn them onto and into? =20

>= ;I'm not sure that looping, loops or loop manipulation presents new
>= possibilities in so much as they present new insights into something
>that was there all along.

For me, there's new possibilities.=

Yes,  I didn't mean to sound negative, as I'm to= tally into the potential of loops and what they can be used to achieve.&nbs= p; Which was my point again, I guess - there is no doubt a myriad of musica= l possibilities yet to be explored with looping, but if one is to advance a= theory of loop structures (sorry, it's what I've been trying to do for the= last 8 years of academic study, so I have alterior motives and methodologi= cal bias) then the idea of structures for me needs to be thought of not jus= t from a musical perspective but from a general view of aesthetics - what d= o these structures do for people.  So for me it's more interesting tha= t loops can make people loop in on the world around them - see and hear wha= t was already there but that which they may have missed otherwise.

I d= on't think the looper has to be complex, it's the ability of the
player = to control the device which creates the interest.

again, I agree, but controlling to what end?  Co= mplexity in structure is useful if the player is trying to communicate some= thing about complexity, though of course not necessarily necessary.  A= s a composer, without trying to add pretense to an already spurious ramble,= I'm interested in combining all the techniques and structural ideas talked= about here and more, to achieve large scale investigations of loops - loop= ing theory in practice if you like.

>= ;a metonymic capability for understanding the world around us.

ahhh.= ..that beats me, what's it mean? Kris? anyone?

yeah, ahh, I guess put more simply, can loop composit= ions or loop structures teach us anything about the way repetition works in= the world around us, or indeed, the way we might be able to apply it in ou= r everyday lives?

omjn

------=_Part_3707_4158284.1158075910689-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB063BEB8; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.093242 secs) Message-ID: <4629.142.106.248.72.1158076551.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CD Production From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Fabio - When you're computing your pricing, don't forget to include your shipping costs for sending the CDs to CD Baby. (From Toronto, we have to sell 2 or 3 CDs just to pay for shipping a batch there.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Hi people, > In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. > It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some problems > to solve. > > These are the questions: > - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution (CD > Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... > - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel case, > color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar > code ? > > If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't hesitate > to tell me... > Thanks > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 16:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2891E3BEB6; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64D27E05-776A-46FE-9E86-73135B1F5F20@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:17:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:17:58 +0000 (UTC) On 12 sep 2006, at 15.53, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Did your group get to rehearse at all, or was it all spur of the > moment? The quartet rehearsed for three to four hours a day in three days, including the day of the concert. We took care not to rehears any improvisation at all, since we wanted that to happen fresh at the gig (which it did ok). The acoustics of the rehearsal area made it almost impossible to play there at all, so we focused more on discussing the storyboard and to order the pieces in the best way with regard to transitions between songs and video display. And of course, Costas and I had to make notes on how to loop at critical moments during the show. I made many mistakes anyway, but that's to expect if you are stupid enough to set up a repertoire and rehearse before a gig ;-)) THe original concept for the show was more based on improvisation along a storyboard script, but as it turned out In Real Life all members wasn't totally comfortable with that. So we reworked everything on the fly during those three days. After sleeping only three to four hours a night I was finally able to sleep, lying flat on the palace marble, during the loud PA calibration check before the gig on the last day (LOL). The project was a funny adventure in most areas, not only musically ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 16:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFB93BECF; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:23:57 +0200 Message-ID: <005d01c6d687$d96baf80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcbWgxxAIfw/QV8FTo6ovOWurX+ilQABFuTw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm that looks like it was a fun event :-) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 16:30:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40183BED5; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038501c6d688$c8da64d0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <339c30110609092124x50a5917bw16625825cd4aa6b6@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060912130855.01bc6ae8@tiscali.co.uk> <339c30110609120845qbbec4c6re49bee902a57efb5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: new possibilities for musical structure opened up by the use new possibilities for musical structure Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:30:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0382_01C6D656.7D2CD720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:30:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0382_01C6D656.7D2CD720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is really interesting. I'll just pull out a few tid bits to = comments, to save time and focus. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: michael noble=20 [snip] So for me the question is - are there specific methods of control, = ways of looping if you like, that produce different end results for the = listener (in as much as the endless variety of subjective responses to = music muddies such a question)? In other words, how do we turn people = on with loops, and what do we turn them onto and into? =20 [snip] Man, if I could turn people on with loops, I'd be trying to get all = those women's group and organization gigs. :) I'd use all 8 tracks on = Mobius! Just kidding. I follow you. It is a hard question, because I = find that very few people in my audiences actually pick up on the fact = that I am looping or even care about the technical subtles of what I'm = doing, but instead they just hear the music as a final output. I can = sort of tell what turns them on based on the comments I get from certain = songs. For instance, here in Boise, whenever I play at a public event, = people love it when I loop and produce more flamenco, Latin/Brazillian, = contemporary jazz, or Middle-Eastern style looping arrrangements....it's = that Jesse Cooke appeal. People love the sound of an exotic nylon string = guitar! This is when I get the most comments....but when I play a = really experimental or avant-garde piece....I could sware I hear = crickets in the audiences. Although maybe one out of every 20 listener = will come up to me and ask how I am producing all that sound...which = launces into a discussion about looping....and those people are = typically musicians themselves. So, the answer to your question to me depends on the audience...but if = I'm playing for the masses the answer is utterly simple....whatever I do = with loops that sounds like popular music turns them on. They are = attacted to familiar structures, AA-B-A, etc and melodic simplicity. The = loops are just incidental to the final output, and that's all they = really care about, end of story. In this case, then, if you can use = your looping gear to produce music that has popular apeal, based on what = that is in the charts, then that turns folks on. Here is where Next Loop = comes in handy and other nifty tricks that can allow you sound bigger = than you really are. They are attracted to the familiar like moths to a = flame. If you use some technical script that takes your ambient loop and = chops it into a sequence...they don't care about how you do this much as = the final output and how it makes them feel...hopefully good and happy. = If I'm at an experimental music festival, then that completely = different....people become much more interested in the looping = technique. But mostly when play experimental, I am not trying to turn = anyone on but myself....to meet or exceed my own personal standards as a = musician.=20 yeah, ahh, I guess put more simply, can loop compositions or loop = structures teach us anything about the way repetition works in the world = around us, or indeed, the way we might be able to apply it in our = everyday lives?=20 omjn I think so, inasmuch as we are a part of the world, and the very laws = of physics that produce repeating cycles in the universe, from planetary = and atomic revolution, tides, seasons, menstration cycles, sine waves in = sound and electricity, sleep cycles, etc, also impact the way we think, = behave, and view the world. Again, in general people are attacted to = repetition, which is why many of us like playing with loops. Its' like = we are creating systems that resonnate with the world and our own = internal workings as human beings. We are repetive and habituatl beings = using tools to create yet more repetition in the world. It feels right = to many of us...though some of us rebel and go against the grain because = we can, and because we are on the extreme ends of the bell curve. Even = the bell curve repeats itself in nature...so deviations from repetition = repeat themselves in the larger system. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0382_01C6D656.7D2CD720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is really interesting. I'll just = pull out a=20 few tid bits to comments, to save time and focus.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 michael = noble=20

[snip]
 
So for me the question is - are there specific methods of = control, ways=20 of looping if you like, that produce different end results for the = listener=20 (in as much as the endless variety of subjective responses to music = muddies=20 such a question)?  In other words, how do we turn people on with = loops,=20 and what do we turn them onto and into? 
[snip]
 
Man, if I could turn people on with = loops, I'd be=20 trying to get all those women's group and organization gigs. :)  = I'd use=20 all 8 tracks on Mobius!  Just kidding. I follow you. It is a hard = question, because I find that very few people in my audiences actually = pick up=20 on the fact that I am looping or even care about the technical subtles = of what=20 I'm doing, but instead they just hear the music as a final output. I = can sort=20 of tell what turns them on based on the comments I get from certain = songs. For=20 instance, here in Boise, whenever I play at a public event, people = love it=20 when I loop and produce more flamenco, Latin/Brazillian, contemporary = jazz, or=20 Middle-Eastern style looping arrrangements....it's that Jesse Cooke=20 appeal. People love the sound of an exotic nylon string = guitar! =20 This is when I get the most comments....but when I play a really = experimental=20 or avant-garde piece....I could sware I hear crickets in the = audiences. =20 Although maybe one out of every 20 listener will come up to me and ask = how I=20 am producing all that sound...which launces into a discussion about=20 looping....and those people are typically musicians = themselves.
 
So, the answer to your question to me = depends on=20 the audience...but if I'm playing for the masses the answer is utterly = simple....whatever I do with loops that sounds like popular music = turns them=20 on.  They are attacted to familiar structures, AA-B-A, etc = and=20 melodic simplicity. The loops are just incidental to the final output, = and=20 that's all they really care about, end of story.  In this case, = then, if=20 you can use your looping gear to produce music that has popular apeal, = based=20 on what that is in the charts, then that turns folks on. Here = is where=20 Next Loop comes in handy and other nifty tricks that can allow you = sound=20 bigger than you really are.  They are attracted to the = familiar like=20 moths to a flame. If you use some technical script that takes your = ambient=20 loop and chops it into a sequence...they don't care about how you do = this much=20 as the final output and how it makes them feel...hopefully good and = happy. If=20 I'm at an experimental music festival, then that completely=20 different....people become much more interested in the looping=20 technique.  But mostly when play experimental, I am not trying to = turn=20 anyone on but myself....to meet or exceed my own personal standards as = a=20 musician. 
 
yeah, ahh, I guess put more simply, can loop compositions or loop = structures teach us anything about the way repetition works in the = world=20 around us, or indeed, the way we might be able to apply it in our = everyday=20 lives?
omjn
 
I think so, inasmuch as we are a part = of the=20 world, and the very laws of physics that produce repeating cycles in = the=20 universe, from planetary and atomic revolution, tides, seasons, = menstration=20 cycles, sine waves in sound and electricity, sleep cycles, etc, = also=20 impact the way we think, behave, and view the world. Again, in=20 general people are attacted to repetition, which is why many of = us like=20 playing with loops. Its' like we are creating systems that resonnate = with the=20 world and our own internal workings as human beings. We are repetive = and=20 habituatl beings using tools to create yet more repetition in the = world. It=20 feels right to many of us...though some of us rebel and go against the = grain=20 because we can, and because we are on the extreme ends of the bell = curve. Even=20 the bell curve repeats itself in nature...so deviations from = repetition repeat=20 themselves in the larger system.
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0382_01C6D656.7D2CD720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 16:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF393BED0; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060912124608.taoqp1q7w7k8c8ss@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:46:08 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Production References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5E2lsC.A.5bD.TRuBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Fabio, Krispen's advice is excellent. There is a tendency for artists to =20 overestimate the ease of selling their product. Start small and work =20 your way up-it's much more cost effective and better for your morale =20 as well than to see stacks of CD's slowly dwindling over the years. CD Baby is better in my opinion than CD Street. CDStreet has taken a =20 route that TOTALLY favors the person who sells tons versus the small =20 guy. CD Baby is much better. Check ou their page and read their =20 benefits-I think you'll be hooked. Online think about using PAYPAL as =20 well, it's simple and people like it as an option. You may even try =20 the "honor system" for people who want to send you a check. Send them =20 a CD and trust them to send te money. People will and will seldom =20 return the CD. You can use all fo the above-no probs with that. Also, work your shows and anytime you play out. You may find that =20 you sell better at shows than online. Find friends to help you sell at =20 shows (even while you're playing) but be sure that the audience gets =20 hit the moment you stop. People are still hungry for you at that point =20 and that's when they're going to strike. Also, put together a plan for who you will send FREE Cd's to. Include =20 those in your quantities. I find myself giving away an awful lot of =20 CD's and have made great inroads in certain venues by putting a stack =20 by the register or door that says :Take one listen and share. Be realistic and enjoy the birthing process and your "baby". Congrats on your new release and keep us all posted! Feel free to =20 drop me a line in private if you have any more questions. ~peace~ Michael Music from the Infinite Horizon... www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka Quoting Fabio Anile : > Hi people, > In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. > It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some =20 > problems to solve. > > These are the questions: > - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web =20 > distribution (CD Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, =20 > gifts, etc... > - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel =20 > case, color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, =20 > and UPC bar code ? > > If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't =20 > hesitate to tell me... > Thanks > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 16:46:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7CD3BEDD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KGhjdamCdJJ028AFx6noE++6Hnlng3ObUYuSsEanqVbPZetFA4WmWu0SqjktDqeh3PPm/7pjZGR07ypYOZG1Kb5nb2hW8k2ZoTpNlrmtZA7HYW/KmQEXHl6B2VBSoZLIrOYUkQgGL8ToWL5fUOKhFD9q3Hr3wl+iMRPr1oEKY00= ; Message-ID: <20060912164629.6367.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060912133732.01bc75b8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:31 +0000 (UTC) I tried to get out but they keep pulling me back! --- a k butler wrote: > > >--- "nick@12testing.net" > wrote: > > > > > On 7 Sep 2006 at 19:21, a k butler wrote: > > > In addition, a lot of what I do is > post-processing > > > the loop, so > > > having generated the loop, the looper is then > the > > > instrument that is > > > playing while I mangle the sound further. > > just to clarify, the above comment was made by Nick > Robinson, > who carries more gear around than I do. > I don't post process usually because my simple gear > setup won't do that. > > andybutler > > ....and I thought you'd finished this thread, Mark > ;-) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:00:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3C03BEE9; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CTTNlBfBo5blV194AlxbEs1gk9acAwKJZSr5DN82XWqw9VIB5A66r1ta2RTR3Jd4+ildr6TnIs9tZnddRgo0wOZSrU4SCM5/eI0bUFWPxXrJJcbd32oAuwNxhcUIvFCIc1eis+WMl8/s7pEy31kbsTY3zF01HUhAgZPLSiTS4yQ= ; Message-ID: <20060912170034.87499.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping with EDP synced to PC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060912014519.GA13864@funkytown.ralph> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:00:36 +0000 (UTC) So far I've only gotten Ableton Live to crash once since I've been using it. It crashed in a very gentle way as mobius remained up and running with no issues. Upon restart all was fine but it no longer was communicating with my control surface. A reboot fixed it all. If this had happened during a show I'd easily have enough time to set up a loop on my Vox Tonelab SE or Gigadelay, fade my loops in Mobius, reboot and keep going. My advice for anyone using any technology live is have a back up plan just in case. Even dedicated hardware can do down. --- rick wrote: > On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 04:59:26PM -0700, L.A. > Angulo wrote: > > Hey Rick, > > just wanted to ask you what program do u use for > > backing tracks synced to the EDP? ive been using > the > > EDP synced to a MPC1000 but thinking about getting > a > > laptop and getting rid of the sampler,what are > your > > thoughts in terms of reliability,pros and cons > etc.? > > thanx for the info! > > Luis > > > > I use a powerbook with Ableton Live. > Or I mess around with seq24 on the linux side. > Reliability and computers and clubs I never feel > comfortable with, > but the versatility and ease of use I can't deny :O) > > Thought about using an MPC1000 also. > Didn't know if you can change loops easily with a > floor unit such as the > Behringer midi controller though. > > > > > > > hey all, lookin' for a little input. > > > > I've had the opportunity to do some solo acoustic > work > > and really would > > like to. Being that I don't sing, I'm not sure > about > > what to all do. > > There not pressure jobs. Restaurant/coffee shop > > atmosphere where I > > would be there more as background music than > watched > > as a performance. > > I just don't wanna get up there and "jam" all > night. > > > > I use my echoplex at home alot for fun and have > been > > using backing > > tracks via computer for bar work with bands for a > > while, so I have > > tools > > at my disposal. > > > > Just looking for some direction ideas or any > advice. > > > > thanks, > > rick > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E59F3BEF3; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <19A3FBAA-4DF3-49AA-B254-D19124764A6B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-41--614736932 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:11:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-41--614736932 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, the photos look amazing - well done for pulling it off! Sounds like a great gig - wish I could've been there, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-41--614736932 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,=A0

the photos look amazing - = well done for pulling it off! Sounds like a great gig - wish I could've = been there,

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-41--614736932-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:23:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6083BED2; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060912164629.6367.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060912164629.6367.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A16733F-64FD-44F1-8A6A-51BFA6054CC9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) > --- a k butler wrote: >> ....and I thought you'd finished this thread, Mark >> ;-) On 12 sep 2006, at 18.46, mark sottilaro wrote: > I tried to get out but they keep pulling me back! I also tried to get out, ever since I started this thread some three weeks ago, but now I too just got pulled back again. Yesterday Kid Beyond was here for two gigs and we met up at my place for comparing looping rigs and commit ourselves to associated nerdy activities. A button on my FCB1010 was dead and it just dawned on me that "My FCB really IS an Instrument"! A simple MIDI foot controller, but the way I use it is to transpose the pitch according to a scale and I can't really say that I'm improvising more melodies with my hand instruments than by transposing my caught audio with those foot pedals. Feet, hands and wind intonation has simply become parts of the same "looping instrument" (before I learned to play it I used to call it "my looping rig"). And then today I finally found a new FCB1010 in music store. It appears Andy was right; my MIDI Sysex files from the five years old pedal can not be read by this new one. Oh The Crap!!! Need to tap dance for many hours to set up the new pedal... or eventually I may download some XP software to edit it? (will check with the FCB Users List area in a moment) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A82A43BECD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2140.69.59.206.219.1158082282.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4629.142.106.248.72.1158076551.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4629.142.106.248.72.1158076551.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CD Production From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC) > Fabio - When you're computing your pricing, don't forget to include > your shipping costs for sending the CDs to CD Baby. (From Toronto, > we have to sell 2 or 3 CDs just to pay for shipping a batch there.) Yeah, Amazon is the most annoying on this front. We sell 3-5 copies a month through Amazon's Advantage program. We get about $6 per disc. But Amazon has a totally automated re-order program where, when they sell one disc, you ship them one disc to re-stock. At $1.10 postage per disc, that begins to cut into profits. Not to mention extra trips to the post office. To touch on Fabio's original question, my band has gone through 2 pressings of 1000 of our first disc, released in 2003, and have almost gone through the first pressing of 2000 of our second disc, released last year. Probably 35-40% of the discs have been given away as promo, but we have paid off both discs and are starting to budget for the third. Most, like, the vast majority, of sales have been at gigs. We gig all the time, tour as much as we can. We have a steady trickle of sales from CDBaby and Amazon, of those, the CDBaby sales are much more profitable. We have stuff placed with a number of other internet distributors, and we have generated exactly zero sales through anyone other than CDBaby and Amazon. Definitely sign up CDBaby's digital distribution deal! We also get a steady trickle of income from that as well. We get virtually no radio play, other than a couple of cool college/community stations. Other than a couple of local indie stores where we are close enough to keep up on consignments, our stuff is not carried in stores, definitely not in the big chains. We have gotten uniformly excellent reviews from various print and internet zines. As far as I can tell, these have led to no sales whatsoever. The only way to sell discs in the new economy, as far as I can see it, is to play live. > > >> Hi people, >> In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. >> It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some problems >> to solve. >> >> These are the questions: >> - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution >> (CD >> Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... >> - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel >> case, >> color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC >> bar >> code ? >> >> If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't >> hesitate >> to tell me... >> Thanks >> Fabio >> http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 18:30:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62A23BECA; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:30:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <45070AD9.11573.21D7EEC@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20060912164629.6367.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:30:50 +0000 (UTC) On 12 Sep 2006 at 9:46, mark sottilaro wrote: > > just to clarify, the above comment was made by Nick > > Robinson, who carries more gear around than I do. It's not that excessive - in fact I'm forever trying to simplify things. The current system is guitar into zoom G2 providing distortion, compression, echo, panning & 5 second loop if I want it. I also use a GR30 if the set time is long enough to warrant bringing it along. This stereo feed is split between a "proper" rack jamman and my old powertran analog delay, giving me two loop options - a long "clean" one and a shorter lower-fi loop that I can pitch-shift & modulate. The powertran then feeds an alesis AirFX for "mangling" and both loops go into a small mixer where I use the fx send to feed in an old zoom 1201, bought on ebay for the sum of =A315. It's used solely to provide deep lush reverbs. So by & large, I like to keep things moving by letting the loops fade as I add new material, but now and again the loop is so "right" that I let it have its head for a while and slowly bring in filters etc from the airFX. You can hear this approach on recent additions here http://nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm specifically this file http://www.hursthouse.net/audio/leeds06.mp3 About 1.10 in, I've got the ambient loop in the jamman and a shorter one which is being "fiddled with" on the powertran and airFX at the same time - that's the beauty of "hands-off" processing! It does become a "thoughtful" business trying to decide where the sound is coming from when I want to change the mood! At around 5 mins the loop is frozen and the interest (well, I find it interesting) comes entirely from the airFX filter. As the right hand controls this, the left hand slowly fades in the jamman. I must set my digi camera to stun and actually record one of these sets. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 18:54:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2874F3BED3; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45070240.80702@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:53:52 -0500 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powertran delay (WAS "Instrument" vs "Effect") References: <45070AD9.11573.21D7EEC@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <45070AD9.11573.21D7EEC@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030206060208060702090205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:54:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030206060208060702090205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick, that sound file is a /beautiful/ piece of work, really excellent. I do assume you meant Powertran 'digital' delay though, correct? I read the review on LD (which now I see was written by yourself), and was very curious about the pitchshifting. It is an octave up/octave down, or are larger bends possible? Make me wanna get one, if delays have to be digital I much prefer low sampling rates and especially the ability to shift pitch pitch w/ time. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > This stereo feed is split between a "proper" rack jamman and my old > powertran analog delay, giving me two loop options - a long "clean" > one and a shorter lower-fi loop that I can pitch-shift & modulate. > > The powertran then feeds an alesis AirFX for "mangling" and both > loops go into a small mixer where I use the fx send to feed in an old > zoom 1201, bought on ebay for the sum of £15. It's used solely to > provide deep lush reverbs. > > So by & large, I like to keep things moving by letting the loops fade > as I add new material, but now and again the loop is so "right" that > I let it have its head for a while and slowly bring in filters etc > from the airFX. You can hear this approach on recent additions here > > http://nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm > > specifically this file > > http://www.hursthouse.net/audio/leeds06.mp3 --------------030206060208060702090205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick, that sound file is a beautiful piece of work, really excellent.

I do assume you meant Powertran 'digital' delay though, correct?

I read the review on LD (which now I see was written by yourself), and was very curious about the pitchshifting. It is an octave up/octave down, or are larger bends possible? Make me wanna get one, if delays have to be digital I much prefer low sampling rates and especially the ability to shift pitch pitch w/ time.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
This stereo feed is split between a "proper" rack jamman and my old 
powertran analog delay, giving me two loop options - a long "clean" 
one and a shorter lower-fi loop that I can pitch-shift & modulate.

The powertran then feeds an alesis AirFX for "mangling" and both 
loops go into a small mixer where I use the fx send to feed in an old 
zoom 1201, bought on ebay for the sum of £15. It's used solely to 
provide deep lush reverbs.

So by & large, I like to keep things moving by letting the loops fade 
as I add new material, but now and again the loop is so "right" that 
I let it have its head for a while and slowly bring in filters etc 
from the airFX. You can hear this approach on recent additions here

http://nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm

specifically this file

http://www.hursthouse.net/audio/leeds06.mp3

--------------030206060208060702090205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:07:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 145203BEB9; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAH+hBkWBTm83iH0CAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060912195440.01ab0d00@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:06:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: CD Production In-Reply-To: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:07:18 +0000 (UTC) hi Fabio


Hi people,
In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD.
It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some problems to solve.
 
These are the questions:
- How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution (CD Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc...

It's not worth getting less than 500 done.

- What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel case, color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar code ?

try here for a quote, these are the people that I used

http://www.cdsourcing.com/quote_intro.php

When selling, just look what everyone else sells for
(different for each country)

 
If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't hesitate to tell me...

The company you choose to press your cd should supply templates for the artwork,
if you use those then there shouldn't be extra charges for sorting out the art.

Don't try and put a photograph type image on the cd itself, it usually won't come out well,
instead make a nice design with just 2 colors.

Allow plenty of time for the production.
( I had to "fast track" the process in time for the Zurich Loopfest, it cost more and was much more hassle)

andy butler

Thanks
Fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:07:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281893BED6; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4507055C.60208@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:07:08 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Per, next time you'll come to Italy without saying that I'll ... what a pity to have missed this chance to listen to you and Zoe. Hope you'll come back soon ! luca Per Boysen wrote: > Some pix from the Castel dei Mondi Off concerts in Andria, Italy: > > Zoe Keating (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/cdm > > Boysen Network Ensemble (among others) > http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=235 > > The percussionist/painter and the singer were both wearing wireless > cameras. Percussionist/painter on his googles and the singer on her > "flower helmet antenna"; a metal construction stretching forwards > from her head holding the camera so the audience could watch the > screen to see her face close up in a steady focus while the > background is flickering heavily with any movement of her head. A > backline assistant was mixing between the two cameras during the > show. An inexpensive Wireless Spy Cam Kit was used and it worked very > well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:12:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DCCD3BECC; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:11:51 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: gig photos at Zagreb (was [OT]web cast from Croatia on 24th Aug.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, I found someone made photo album of our gig in Zagreb,Croatia. http://milanblenton.spaces.live.com and click, TrianguliZona & Sunao Inami -> 24.08.2006. ZGB(15) thanks Sunao At 0:21 PM +0200 06.8.22, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi LD, > >We will do live streaming from Zagreb. >meet you on the net. > >URL is: >http://www.revolucija.hr/trianguli > >[Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] > >Live at Museum of arts and crafts > Trg marsala Tita 10,Zagreb > tel : 091 16 85 795 > >Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) >Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) >Vladimir Koncar (video installation) >Sunao Inami (computer) > > >21:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in Europe/Zagreb converts to > >= 20:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in Europe/London > >= 04:00:00 Friday August 25, 2006 in Asia/Tokyo > >= 15:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in America/New_York > >= 12:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in America/Los_Angeles > >The World Clock - Time Zones >http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ > > > Regards > > Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6E53BED5; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:21:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Saturday, September 16, Fire and Light Festival, Ventura, California The parking garage where California Street meets the ocean. time: sunset Free Jeff Kaiser and Bob Sterling, 4 speaker installation performance of=20 electronic music inside a parking garage. really. Part of the Fire and=20= Light Festival. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:34:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51ACF3BECD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1290625726.1158089691438.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:34:51 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Production Cc: Fabio Anile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Fasbio, I'll chime in here and join the chorus singing the praises of CDBaby -- esp= ecially since I just got an e-mail notification of another payment from the= m yesterday. And . . . for the very first time my sales of digital download= s actually surpassed my CD sales this month. They are workin' good for me. = I couldn't be happier. Other advice . . . 500 or above. Believe me, you'll give too many away . . = . and if you want more you'll have to print more. I personally wouldn't wa= nt less than 1000. I am down to just the last couple of dozen copies (or le= ss) of my Flux Aeterna CD . . . and then they're gone. I now have to think = twice before I give 'em away. It's unlikely to ever get reprinted.=20 Don't look on it as a money-making proposition. Small guys like us hardly e= ver break even anyway. Do it for love . . . and then, if fate smiles on you= . . . smile back. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Fabio Anile wrote:=20 > Hi people,=20 > In these days I'm working hard to release my new CD. > It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" and I've some problems = to solve. >=20 > These are the questions: > - How much copies do you think are right, thinking of web distribution (C= D Baby or similar), promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... > - What price do you think is good to calculate for one copy in jewel case= , color booklet 2+2 and color inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar= code ? >=20 > If ther's something other interesting I should know, please don't hesitat= e to tell me... > Thanks > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8D783BED0; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:13:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:13:59 +0000 (UTC) You guys are doing a quadraphonic performance? Routing different audio content to each of the four speakers? I wish I could be there for that. K/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Looping in a parking garage.... Saturday, September 16, Fire and Light Festival, Ventura, California The parking garage where California Street meets the ocean. time: sunset Free Jeff Kaiser and Bob Sterling, 4 speaker installation performance of electronic music inside a parking garage. really. Part of the Fire and Light Festival. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:21:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95383BEAB; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YKQkxsFAHE04/BY+PotwlWQgSxKNSfFFfFU2PW1Dp7URvyPFCzJv5ANFhEqTA+5HNogSnhny2H6yZSrrCL991et8eU7fsdJymc0fWQN70J87kcODjV75KPVlE1mVHKpT/xRU1tJ6K+11sOEA1EZklPrB+KOSF+o9IyBCxyaXGKU= ; Message-ID: <20060912202146.424.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: Re: CD Production To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1290625726.1158089691438.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:21:48 +0000 (UTC) i would definitely have at least 500 made, as others have said. i will also join the ranks of those praising cdbaby.com. if you read the stuff on their site, which you probably already have, you'll see why. everything they claim to do for you is true. as others have also said, the best way to sell them is to play live. i believe this to be true especially because i don't play live (for my solo project, which is the only cd i have professionally produced so far) and hardly sell anything! in fact i would love to get everyone else's thoughts on the best way to promote your work online if you don't perform live. you might think it would be easy to do, but i have found it to be daunting to the point where i havn't involved myself with it at all, outside of posting to a few forums to advertise for the site (no doubt the reason my sales are low). i don't really care about making money, but i would like to feel like the music is getting heard, and i want to generate a following so i can justify sinking more money into releasing more of my rather large amount of material. if anyone has been successful with this, i'd like to hear about it. regards, mike www.cdbaby.com/eru www.myspace.com/goldenhelix www.soundclick.com/eru www.soundclick.com/stratoculture > ---- Fabio Anile wrote: > > Hi people, > > In these days I'm working hard to release my new > CD. > > It's the first time I produce a "professional CD" > and I've some problems to solve. > > > > These are the questions: > > - How much copies do you think are right, thinking > of web distribution (CD Baby or similar), > promotions, selling at gigs, gifts, etc... > > - What price do you think is good to calculate for > one copy in jewel case, color booklet 2+2 and color > inlay card, CD printing and copy, and UPC bar code ? > > > > If ther's something other interesting I should > know, please don't hesitate to tell me... > > Thanks > > Fabio > > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94DE3BED9; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <3DC4B22C-7381-4BF1-9781-B43E34E692D4@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--602819296 From: Steve Lawson Subject: ...talking of gigs in Italy Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:30:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:30:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--602819296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ...I've got a few coming up at the end of October, in Milan, Verona, Trento and around that area. If any of you loopists in Italy have any leads on other possible gig spots, I've got a couple of open days, and will have free train travel around the country, so can get to gigs pretty much anywhere... Please do let me know. Failing that, watch this space for details of both solo gigs and some duo loopage with guitar genius Luca Formentini... 'tra Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-1--602819296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...I've got a few coming up at = the end of October, in Milan, Verona, Trento and around that = area.=A0

If any of = you loopists in Italy have any leads on other possible gig spots, I've = got a couple of open days, and will have free train travel around the = country, so can get to gigs pretty much anywhere... Please do let me = know.=A0

Failing that, watch this = space for details of both solo gigs and some duo loopage with guitar = genius Luca Formentini...=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-1--602819296-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58FB33BED6; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45071A3D.60804@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:36:13 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...talking of gigs in Italy References: <3DC4B22C-7381-4BF1-9781-B43E34E692D4@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3DC4B22C-7381-4BF1-9781-B43E34E692D4@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > ...I've got a few coming up at the end of October, in Milan, Verona, > Trento and around that area. > > If any of you loopists in Italy have any leads on other possible gig > spots, I've got a couple of open days, and will have free train travel > around the country, so can get to gigs pretty much anywhere... Please > do let me know. > Oh yes, After his latest italian tour Mr. Lawson has fallen in love with train tripping... very romantic and inspiring, I agree. Meet you at gigs ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:42:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182AF3BED0; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45071BA2.3010800@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:42:10 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ... and talking about photos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:42:22 +0000 (UTC) this has been one of my craziest music adventures: http://www.matteocibic.com/artesella/ Three groups, me with Markus Stockhausen, Tara Bouman, Deborah Walker, Andreas Polygzopulos and Davide Ferrari ( from Goldfrapp). 2.000 people in the wood at 2.000 meters as an audience. Crazy, and amazing. Oh, it was really strange to be an electric guitar player in the middle of violins, cellos, trumpets, classic percussions and so on.... My best, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 21:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60213BED5; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:04:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > You guys are doing a quadraphonic performance? Routing different audio=20= > content to each of the four speakers? yup. it should be interesting......I hope! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 21:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1F13BED3; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PTQTMXr6gUina/u8E8Ur7QlDCM4UdzKgIl+q3xY/yyeCXjtXsU70lt2Jc+bpzPb4g3KdlRuZcCdwsW9WZQ3tjmMiZ7nR2e/uAGhRkAkC+Hnh4K6EakjxLUdLtip4Ml44U8mPwxM2Mw3UVP7LAbM+Bd3fOngX4vT5kZuR8U/ZMtM= ; Message-ID: <20060912214107.22800.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: loop listenings...digidelay/boss sp202 (my return from summer) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060912202149.515773BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1617709040-1158097267=:21444" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4zt-gC.A.k4G.0lyBFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:41:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1617709040-1158097267=:21444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i was off for the summer due to vacations, but did check L-D periodically, just didn't want extra email b/c i did check sporatically.... some of my recent listenings that i've been enjoying: douglas baldwin-the coyote loops, dress rehearsal, 2005 andy butler-livelooping nico spahni-ambient guitar landscapes I luis angulo-primeros ciclos improv-improvvisazions improprio these discs have been in heavy rotation in my house as of late. been enjoying them. the 1st 3 are "ambient", i suppose in a fripp-guitar based way as a quick reference,but different in their own way. the last disc is a group that i think luis A is part of (i hope i'm right there)-that is more electronic, deconstructed sounds, which i've been favoring as of late...all the discs have some interesting stuff and are good listens.... my main summer activity was making some collage paintings for a faculty show i'm in, on one of them i combined a cheap walmart cd player and had put my latest loop recordings on it (which were recorded in april-june 06, my last recordings as of late, decided to take a break)...a picture of it can be seen on my myspace site at: myspace.com/scotthansen i also have in the gallery in an installation by the painting copies of the disc and the cover is green fake velvet w/ collaged plastic animals/figures on them for viewers to take, another example of "art you can take home" other pics on the myspace site have my latest guitar and my cheap digital setup (music on the site is the same when i set things up back in may). my main loop tool has been my digitech digidelay, the 4 sec is enough for me, and i use it as well as the reverse delay, which i find w/ a clean sound you can kind of mimic some of the loop experiments that b. frisell does on some of his solo albums. a very useful tool for not a lot of money... i also recently bought a boss sp202 dr sample. and i'm really liking that. surprisingly it works w/ my guitar set up w/ the adaptors for the rca's w/out annoying noise (when i used to have a korg kaoss pad, didn't always work w/ my guitar setup noisewise). but i've been pretty happy w/ the sound/ease of use of the sp202. i have it after the digidelay, so i just sample the loops, can reverse them easily and enjoy the pitch changing option it has...the main reason i got it was to experiment w/ an all pedal/desktop setup, have been debating getting rid of my 4 space rack that only has my dod d-12 and my broken lexicon mpx100 in it.... happy looping... s---- --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1617709040-1158097267=:21444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i was off for the summer due to vacations, but did check L-D periodically, just didn't want extra email b/c i did check sporatically....
some of my recent listenings that i've been enjoying:
 
douglas baldwin-the coyote loops, dress rehearsal, 2005
andy butler-livelooping
nico spahni-ambient guitar landscapes I
luis angulo-primeros ciclos
improv-improvvisazions improprio
 
these discs have been in heavy rotation in my house as of late. been enjoying them.
the 1st 3 are "ambient", i suppose in a fripp-guitar based way as a quick reference,but different in their own way. the last disc is a group that i think luis A is part of (i hope i'm right there)-that is more electronic, deconstructed sounds, which i've been favoring as of late...all the discs have some interesting stuff and are good listens....
 
my main summer activity was making some collage paintings for a faculty show i'm in, on one of them i combined a cheap walmart cd player and had put my latest loop recordings on it (which were recorded in april-june 06, my last recordings as of late, decided to take a break)...a picture of it can be seen on my myspace site at:
myspace.com/scotthansen
i also have in the gallery in an installation by the painting copies of the disc and the cover is green fake velvet w/ collaged plastic animals/figures on them for viewers to take, another example of "art you can take home"
other pics on the myspace site have my latest guitar and my cheap digital setup (music on the site is the same when i set things up back in may).
 
my main loop tool has been my digitech digidelay, the 4 sec is enough for me, and i use it as well as the reverse delay, which i find w/ a clean sound you can kind of mimic some of the loop experiments that b. frisell does on some of his solo albums.
a very useful tool for not a lot of money...
i also recently bought a boss sp202 dr sample. and i'm really liking that. surprisingly it works w/ my guitar set up w/ the adaptors for the rca's w/out annoying noise (when i used to have a korg kaoss pad, didn't always work w/ my guitar setup noisewise). but i've been pretty happy w/ the sound/ease of use of the sp202. i have it after the digidelay, so i just sample the loops, can reverse them easily and enjoy the pitch changing option it has...the main reason i got it was to experiment w/ an all pedal/desktop setup, have been debating getting rid of my 4 space rack that only has my dod d-12 and my broken lexicon mpx100 in it....
happy looping...
s----

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1617709040-1158097267=:21444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 22:31:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDCD73BECD; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9327272.1158100190720.JavaMail.root@sf1434> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:29:50 +1200 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Everyone and their dog has a live looping video now! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:31:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm using the Digitech for guitar effects processing, the sampling is done on the Mini-ITX based computer to the left of it. There's a writeup on the hardware at: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/guitarworkstation/ This well due for an update, but describes the basic idea. I also use the Digitech for basic control of the sequencer, it's connected to the PC by USB, and talks MIDI over this. I can send song change messages from the Digitech, which are picked up by the sequencer in the PC and use to select and start songs I now use a Creative Audigy series sound card in the PC as KX Project, the alternative driver for this was more than enough reason to switch over. With KX, the DSP is fully programmable, so I have a 16 channel mixer running internally in the Audigy, my guitar is switched over between these channels by the sequencer. >Hey Jacob, >its kind of hard to see what you have on the floor, is >the sequenced looping coming from the digitech and...? > >> >> I have mixed feelings on this topic, but ultimately >> I think the question it broils down to is 'who is From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 22:35:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 122BC3BED2; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fWCq5DoiCoaeAHJRRrAu+M1JXuzzsUY0j2zvpMLo93Z8CtCgqEu02YsuB5SJeQuFeIg3zcw+8VVvue5rEk+OKTX6uwopXI0TlacFk6dmVokfjdqrgWi3MA3TDPH8q/1OfnF+P+ClbL+QHs3gsel/BjU3cybNwq9HwmR0jZ7cGZc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:34:56 -0400 From: "Robert Jarvis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7164_25465091.1158100496179" References: <20060904123002.9174.qmail@web26804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:34:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7164_25465091.1158100496179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe On 9/8/06, Ken Kusama wrote: > > > UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE way to many emails > > ------------------------------ > From: *Vincent Buttmann * > Reply-To: *Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com* > To: *Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com* > Subject: *Unsubscribe* > Date: *Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:30:02 +0200 (CEST)* > MIME-Version: *1.0* > Received: *from arsenic.violacea.com ([207.228.238.45]) by > bay0-mc10-f1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Mon, > 4 Sep 2006 05:30:36 -0700* > Received: *by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004)id > E56D83BF6F; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:30:05 +0000 (UTC)* > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE! > > ------------------------------ > Was Sie schon immer wissen wollten aber nie zu Fragen trauten? Yahoo! > Cleverhilft Ihnen. > > ------=_Part_7164_25465091.1158100496179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe

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------=_Part_7164_25465091.1158100496179-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 04:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028E83BEB8; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=icWstHs5jOHrlVXVxr6HGneE9yzLZKeJJ8mUbCVYa6ZzVzvH7BTL3Nui3hY3r8RETt+Hkl4W2pZwZ0vxwKlCIr7TFqQMEDgxU0XedR+bwobrCJwnemW1mMZzC4ONoRrN5AET/Nwomqyse+fNIGWshLNN/A4jv+3velr8QeYhJP8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:57:42 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Live Looping in Portland (Oregon) Saturday, Sept. 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-OSiwD.A.7tF.I_4BFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:57:45 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing in Portland, Oregon this Saturday, September 16th, at the 9 Muses Acoustic Tavern (2715 SE Belmont St.) starting at 7PM. Admission is free. I'll be playing acoustic guitar and making heavy use of the EDP. Anyone in the area should feel free to drop by and say hello. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett www.travishartnett.com www.myspace.com/travishartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 05:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2FC43BEB3; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025f01c6d6f4$2d00cfb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: gig photos at Zagreb (was [OT]web cast from Croatia on 24th Aug.) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Wow, the pictures from this gig in Croatia and the ones of Per, Zoe and Costas playing in Italy really make me wish I could have participated. I distinctly remember the gig I did with Massimo Liverani and the wonderfully diverse and creative musicians outside of Firenze...................god, what an amazing creative evening that was. I'm so excited that Per Boysen (Sweden), Zoe Keating (USA), Mir-O (Finland), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Fabio Anile (Italy), Artist the Spoonman (Mars), Amy X (USA), Hideki Nakanishi (Japan), Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Krispen Hartung (Venus), Jeff Kaiser (dwarf planet Pluto), Bill Walker (USA), Goh Nakamura (USA), Genie (USA), LoopStation (USA), Ted Killian (USA), Lumper/Splitter (USA) and 32 other live looping artists are coming to perform at the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival on October 21 and 22 in Santa Cruz. This community rocks. We've come so far in such a short time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 09:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924063BECD; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Powertran delay (WAS "Instrument" vs "Effect") Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4507D6F4.24775.707212@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <45070240.80702@mhorse.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:01:29 +0000 (UTC) On 12 Sep 2006 at 13:53, Daryl wrote: > I do assume you meant Powertran 'digital' delay though, correct? Yes (oops) - it's a DDL - but the sample rate is so low it sounds like analogue ;) > was very curious about the pitchshifting. It is an octave up/octave > down, or are larger bends possible? Not quite an octave, if memory serves (I'd have to dig the rack out and set it all up), but by dropping the sample rate, you go down a couple of octaves or so. > have to be digital I much prefer low sampling rates and especially the > ability to shift pitch pitch w/ time. Yes - it opens up so many possibilities even a few simple harmonics, sample-rated down, sound like beautiful bells. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 09:01:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C753BEDC; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Per Boysen Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: fcb1010 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4507D6F4.26753.7072DD@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2A16733F-64FD-44F1-8A6A-51BFA6054CC9@gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <11HDWD.A.ZlE.qj8BFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:01:30 +0000 (UTC) On 12 Sep 2006 at 19:23, Per Boysen wrote: > dance for many hours to set up the new pedal... or eventually I may > download some XP software to edit it? (will check with the FCB Users Try the file called FCB1010.exe - a neat and simple interface allowing you access to all facilities. I had a few problems sysex- wise also, but when I upgraded my eprom from version 1 (I bought it years ago) to 2.4, all problems vanished, plus it "reboots" much more rapidly. It's now controlling my JMP1 preamp, GP100 effects rack and jamman, sometimes simultaneously. I have a preset which kills the jamman slapback and click - why on earth did Tom Sellon have those as default in his upgraded chip? My *only* critique of the FCB is the footprint - it could have been smaller with the same functionality. Oh yes, a 9v "out" socket (or two) would have been considerate. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 09:41:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 277443BECA; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:40:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Can't 4-channel be produced into an EAX or AC3 signal? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Tuesday, 12 September, 2006 22:04 PM Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> You guys are doing a quadraphonic performance? Routing different audio >> content to each of the four speakers? > > yup. it should be interesting......I hope! > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 10:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1283D3BECD; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MfSlccrdYCpzWasD6vt758gpE+06m2bDEfStnacmOCopwABobAlRjtdtwCxyLTMnkrG0O72XW/Uan/FvDu2Sh0XtqHcnvP6/4kdIAmdnqyzdFUeWZR7x8DB664NUduihFzIV5jdsVMYackyVFnnXobbItiv3192TMedTIEWZ5uU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4507D6F4.26753.7072DD@nick.12testing.net> References: <4507D6F4.26753.7072DD@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:05:12 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <51pGv.A.ehG.kf9BFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:05:25 +0000 (UTC) On 13 sep 2006, at 11.01, nick@12testing.net wrote: > On 12 Sep 2006 at 19:23, Per Boysen wrote: > >> dance for many hours to set up the new pedal... or eventually I may >> download some XP software to edit it? (will check with the FCB Users > > Try the file called FCB1010.exe - a neat and simple interface > allowing you access to all facilities. Thanks, Nick, but I tap danced for two hours yesterday night and I'm almost done now with setting up the FCB to match my MIDI bindings. So I think I'll spare my Windows box another installation ;-)) > My *only* critique of the FCB is the > footprint - it could have been smaller with the same functionality. True. I had a hard time to find a flight case that can swallow a FCB because it's so long. I finally found one though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 11:00:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6875F3BECF; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <07185AA9-9219-42BA-9442-11047C43DDEE@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--550595591 From: Steve Lawson Subject: CD recommendation and london gig... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:00:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--550595591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I think I've mentioned Leo Abrahams here before - looping guitarist =20 that works a lot with Brian Eno, currently playing guitar for Roxy =20 Music, recently worked with Paul Simon, Nick Cave etc. very fine =20 musician, with a great new album out called 'Scene Memory' - see =20 www.leoabrahams.com for more. He's doing the next Recycle Collective gig in London with me, in a =20 trio with saxophonist/producer/genius Jason Yarde - www.myspace.com/=20 jasonyarde We'll be doing the "tag-team looping" format for the RC gig - three =20 sets, three 'curators', each set featuring some solo, some duo and =20 some trio stuff. all three possible duos get explored, and three =20 different trio improv sections with each one of us 'leading' a section. We're coming up to the first anniversary of the Recycle Collective, =20 and it has been, without doubt, the most exciting and interesting =20 musical project I've ever been involved with, featuring some of the =20 greatest improvising musicians and loopists that I've ever come =20 across, including BJ Cole, Cleveland Watkiss, Theo Travis, Leo =20 Abrahams, Orphy Robinson, Seb Rochford, Andy Hamill, Todd Reynolds, =20 Rowland Sutherland, Trip Wamsley, Ned Evett, Thomas Leeb, Emily =20 Burridge, Jeff Taylor, Roger Goula, Patrick Wood, Andrea Hazell, =20 Julie McKee, Mandy Drummond, Julian Ferraretto, Huw Warren, Juliet =20 Turner, Harry Napier... amazing for one year's worth of monthly gigs =20 (plus a festival special at Greenbelt a couple of weeks ago). Anyway, the next gig, with Leo and Jason, is on Wednesday September =20 20th, at Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, =20= London, EC1 4JZ. tickets are =A36/=A35 concessions = (NUS/OAP/MU/Unemployed =20 - please bring proof) - doors at 7, music at 8, the restaurant =20 upstairs is open before that, and is fabulous, so come for dinner =20 first! :o) links you might need - www.recyclecollective.com www.darbucka.com www.leoabrahams.com www.myspace.com/jasonyarde see y'all there, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-9--550595591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think I've mentioned Leo = Abrahams here before - looping guitarist that works a lot with Brian = Eno, currently playing guitar for Roxy Music, recently worked with Paul = Simon, Nick Cave etc. very fine musician, with a great new album out = called 'Scene Memory' - see www.leoabrahams.com for = more.=A0

He's doing = the next Recycle Collective gig in London with me, in a trio with = saxophonist/producer/genius Jason Yarde - www.myspace.com/jasonyarde=A0=

We'll be = doing the "tag-team looping" format for the RC gig - three sets, three = 'curators', each set featuring some solo, some duo and some trio stuff. = all three possible duos get explored, and three different trio improv = sections with each one of us 'leading' a section.=A0

We're coming up to the = first anniversary of the Recycle Collective, and it has been, without = doubt, the most exciting and interesting musical project I've ever been = involved with, featuring some of the greatest improvising musicians and = loopists that I've ever come across, including BJ Cole, Cleveland = Watkiss, Theo Travis, Leo Abrahams, Orphy Robinson, Seb Rochford, Andy = Hamill, Todd Reynolds, Rowland Sutherland, Trip Wamsley, Ned Evett, = Thomas Leeb, Emily Burridge, Jeff Taylor, Roger Goula, Patrick Wood, = Andrea Hazell, Julie McKee, Mandy Drummond, Julian Ferraretto, Huw = Warren, Juliet Turner, Harry Napier... amazing for one year's worth of = monthly gigs (plus a festival special at Greenbelt a couple of weeks = ago).=A0

Anyway, the next gig, with = Leo and Jason, is on Wednesday September 20th, at Darbucka World Music = Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ. tickets are = =A36/=A35 concessions (NUS/OAP/MU/Unemployed - please bring proof) - = doors at 7, music at 8, the restaurant upstairs is open before that, and = is fabulous, so come for dinner first! :o)=A0

links you might need = -=A0

www.recyclecollective.com
www.darbucka.com
www.leoabrahams.com
www.myspac= e.com/jasonyarde


see y'all = there,=A0

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-9--550595591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 13:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C5F3BECA; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04b901c6d73a$04632800$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <025f01c6d6f4$2d00cfb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: gig photos at Zagreb (was [OT]web cast from Croatia on 24th Aug.) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:39:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:39:23 +0000 (UTC) You gave me Venus, Rick? Darn, I was hoping for Planet X. :) Okay, I'll take venus....I love overcast weather. I can't wait to see everyone again....will be loads of fun. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: gig photos at Zagreb (was [OT]web cast from Croatia on 24th Aug.) > Wow, the pictures from this gig in Croatia > and the ones of Per, Zoe and Costas playing > in Italy really make me wish I could have participated. > > I distinctly remember the gig I did with Massimo Liverani and the > wonderfully > diverse and creative musicians outside of Firenze...................god, > what an > amazing creative evening that was. > > I'm so excited that Per Boysen (Sweden), Zoe Keating (USA), Mir-O > (Finland), Rainer Straschill (Germany), > Fabio Anile (Italy), Artist the Spoonman (Mars), Amy X (USA), Hideki > Nakanishi (Japan), > Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Krispen Hartung (Venus), Jeff Kaiser (dwarf > planet Pluto), Bill Walker (USA), > Goh Nakamura (USA), Genie (USA), LoopStation (USA), Ted Killian (USA), > Lumper/Splitter (USA) > and 32 other live looping artists are coming to perform at the Y2K6 > International Live Looping Festival > on October 21 and 22 in Santa Cruz. > > This community rocks. We've come so far in such a short time. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 14:38:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB5423BEB8; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jO4xN/pO4mzF+8cE1G4Sk50chx25mmbJcb4Sdb+7qRDFX1KvBFIc4CqAHjcms1wfsaQNFzVty2Em3jlWa/cOlZERmMbXyISNUGB0NUT9tOt8yk0ZWych06U8gVWYTvnFAJP1xB2HH0Gn16phT4XW6KrEobaIIwi5jAKlvbwSNt0= ; Message-ID: <20060913143854.35994.qmail@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: akai s20 memory expansion question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:38:56 +0000 (UTC) just got one of these great little samplers and am looking to upgrade its meager memory. i havn't opened the thing up yet, because i don't want to mess with it unnecessarily. i have looked around online to see exactly what i need, and i am a little confused by some things i've found. do i need a single 16mb simm, or a pair of 8mb simms for the maximum expansion? also one thing i read said that it is either expandable to 5mb or 17mb. does this mean that it will only take a 4mb or a 16mb simm? what if i can only find an 8mb simm to expand it to 9mb? i have no experience with simms so any help would be appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 15:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C473BECA; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:22:06 EDT Subject: Re: akai s20 memory expansion question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1158160926" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:22:22 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1158160926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's only one memory slot. So just one single 16 meg sim is the maximum. Mark http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------1158160926 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's only one memory slot. So just one single 16 meg sim is the= =20 maximum.
 
Mark

http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------1158160926-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 16:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A57BE3BEC7; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015601c6d751$611189e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060912202146.424.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD Production Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:26:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2006 16:26:37.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[62912500:01C6D751] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks very much for all of your suggestions, people ! (This is the strenght of this list....) fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 16:44:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66B2B3BECD; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3c3.4d902d80.32398f76@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:44:38 EDT Subject: keeping loops interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c3.4d902d80.32398f76_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_3c3.4d902d80.32398f76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is without post loop manipulation 1) use feedback to make the loop attenuate 2) add to the loop as things fade 3) make the loop xtra long so people forget what's there 4) use silence 5) do something interesting over the loop so that attention will be drawn away from it 6) add different timbre to the loop 7) completely change the loop as it fades and then bring it back again 8) wear a tin foil hat 9) stop the loop and bring it back in after some "real" time playing 10) have asyncronious (sp) loops so that they evolve by themselves 11) play chromatically so there is no "KEY" post loop manipulation 1) add filters etc. 2) have the loop move within the stereo field 3) detune detune detune 4) reverse direction 5) speed up or slow down loop (key will change if that's important) 6) a loop in the electrix mo-fx goes nuts when you hit the sync or p-pong button 7) give all listeners tin foil hats these are just "some" ideas that i have and i use a really simple kit (boomerang +).....mo-fx, alesis Q2 and my trusty zoom 2100 all loop to some degree but there are no midi shananagins going on in my loop soup.....thanx andy for this thread, it is sooooo ON TOPIC.....you are such a good good lad!.....i bet there are many more ideas around this concept, let's hear them!.....i think that one of the main reasons i like loops (repetition) is the boredom that comes with playing over them (after a period of time) and this boredom forces me to get out of my (boreing) box and come up with new material.....all loopers are great learning machines and fantastic mirrors of what we sound like.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_3c3.4d902d80.32398f76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is without post loop manipulation<= BR> 1) use feedback to make the loop attenuate
2) add to the loop as things fade
3) make the loop xtra long so people forget what's there
4) use silence
5) do something interesting over the loop so that attention will be drawn aw= ay from it
6) add different timbre to the loop
7) completely change the loop as it fades and then bring it back again
8) wear a tin foil hat
9) stop the loop and bring it back in after some "real" time playing
10) have asyncronious (sp) loops so that they evolve by themselves
11) play chromatically so there is no "KEY"

post loop manipulation

1) add filters etc.
2) have the loop move within the stereo field
3) detune detune detune
4) reverse direction
5) speed up or slow down loop (key will change if that's important)
6) a loop in the electrix mo-fx goes nuts when you hit the sync or p-pong bu= tton
7) give all listeners tin foil hats

these are just "some" ideas that i have and i use a really simple kit (boome= rang +).....mo-fx, alesis Q2 and my trusty zoom 2100 all loop to some degree= but there are no midi shananagins going on in my loop soup.....thanx andy f= or this thread, it is sooooo ON TOPIC.....you are such a good good lad!.....= i bet there are many more ideas around this concept, let's hear them!.....i=20= think that one of the main reasons i like loops (repetition) is the boredom=20= that comes with playing over them (after a period of time) and this boredom=20= forces me to get out of my (boreing) box and come up with new material.....a= ll loopers are great learning machines and fantastic mirrors of what we soun= d like.....:)m

www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_3c3.4d902d80.32398f76_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 17:06:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2583BED5; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:06:54 EDT Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46c.7c48d80.323994ae_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_46c.7c48d80.323994ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as is sit (sorry kim:) here looping some other ideas come to me: a) if using chords, double up the loop this makes it fatter b) you don't need a looper to loop, you can do this with your playing c) voice chords differently, this can give you a nice sense of harmony i'm sure there are many more ideas, mine are pretty basic because i'm a simple luddite.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_46c.7c48d80.323994ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as is sit (sorry kim:) here looping som= e other ideas come to me:

a) if using chords, double up the loop this makes it fatter
b) you don't need a looper to loop, you can do this with your playing
c) voice chords differently, this can give you a nice sense of harmony

i'm sure there are many more ideas, mine are pretty basic because i'm a simp= le luddite.....:)m

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 --part1_46c.7c48d80.323994ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 19:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA113BED3; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2b34e736bd653bb50e7160ebf129b489@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:29:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:29:10 +0000 (UTC) now you've lost me..... On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Can't 4-channel be produced into an EAX or AC3 signal? Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 20:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EE23BEB3; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: JdQAxwHakhPj6h8o/ZbVMw== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... From: Bjarke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8rensen?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2b34e736bd653bb50e7160ebf129b489@pfmentum.com> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> <2b34e736bd653bb50e7160ebf129b489@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Orangenose Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:01:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1158177666.6863.32.camel@atlas> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) > now you've lost me..... > > Can't 4-channel be produced into an EAX or AC3 signal? I might be out of context, but you can using a AC3 studio app. like Maven3D. And I'm sure there are apps alike it for EAX, however EAX is more of use in a live situation like in a game. -- bjarke From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 20:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D73D3BED9; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1158177666.6863.32.camel@atlas> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> <2b34e736bd653bb50e7160ebf129b489@pfmentum.com> <1158177666.6863.32.camel@atlas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <75e3945956a6c0efb9a4cb0ac85f017e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:09:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks..... It is so easy to route multiple outputs in max/msp.... I still don't know what eax or ac3 is....but google is my friend, so I=20= will use it..... On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Bjarke S=F8rensen wrote: >> now you've lost me..... >>> Can't 4-channel be produced into an EAX or AC3 signal? > > I might be out of context, but you can using a AC3 studio app. like > Maven3D. And I'm sure there are apps alike it for EAX, however EAX is > more of use in a live situation like in a game. > > --=20 > bjarke > > Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 21:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B8A3BECC; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> References: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tucker Tota Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:47:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Looping vocals is nice too. Sometimes I point the mic at my acoustic, and tap a beat and loop it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 22:25:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788273BEC7; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:25:04 -0700 From: Pushing Air To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Demo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now officially called my "demo." :biting nails: Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at http://www.pushingair.com/demo I'd much appreciate your comments. Thanks! Diana -- Pushing Air Live Looping Solo Acapella www.pushingair.com also at: http://www.myspace.com/pushingair http://pushingair.tribe.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 22:55:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D27F3BECA; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:55:13 EDT Subject: Fwd: "This Is Your Brain on Music" | Salon Books To: moonmoth@netzero.net, spagyric@earthlink.net, profcantaloupe@yahoo.com, L8KERS08@aol.com, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, ngci@adelphia.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, KRileyms@hotmail.com, GRXLR8@aol.com, wonderxland@aol.com, sachis2112@yahoo.com, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, Scanmt@aol.com Cc: viceroypronk@yahoo.com, backbiter@sbcglobal.net, re_laxen@yahoo.com, brenchica4@valp.net, Sharon.Brown@albertsons.com, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, rdube@adelphia.net, deb@deborahexit.com, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, sdjeepguy@mac.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, hammer@pocketmail.com, heustis@comcast.net, samjohnson@gotsky.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, SaftyBear1@aol.com, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, SRYAH@aol.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, Mike.Voth@albertsons.com, Mikecfriedman@aol.com, Cdnote@aol.com, moyesguitars@optusnet.com.au, msolomon@zebra.com, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, info@getcom.biz, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, deanna59@msn.com, richard_derrick@msn.com, richie@richiehass.com, richiehass@dslextreme.com, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, Robert@getcom.biz, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Sstraub425@aim.com, Susan.Joy@albertsons.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, Scan4Kim@aol.com, VMARTINE@healthcarepartners.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c36.e992d4.3239e651_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6dHWLB.A.yCD.uxICFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:55:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c36.e992d4.3239e651_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1158188112" -------------------------------1158188112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the link. 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 -------------------------------1158188112-- --part1_c36.e992d4.3239e651_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yi02.mx.aol.com (rly-yi02.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.130]) by air-yi04.mail.aol.com (v112.5) with ESMTP id MAILINYI44-7b64505df2fb; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:12:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by rly-yi02.mx.aol.com (v112.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI28-7b64505df2fb; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:12:00 -0400 Received: from [66.75.74.230] (cpe-66-75-74-230.socal.res.rr.com [66.75.74.230]) by ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BMBw9v029716 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4505DF36.4040105@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:12:06 -0700 From: George Radai User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenny Ryman Subject: "This Is Your Brain on Music" | Salon Books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-AOL-IP: 66.75.162.134 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) http://www.salon.com/books/review/2006/09/05/levitin/index1.html --part1_c36.e992d4.3239e651_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 22:57:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B5B3BEB0; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GvU4JP+Tsz5XECAprGhlFcproGb/chmwdCx7BETlNYtqASSpV6rBdu0dD7DfrF25kTIXxObb62A7fGSn+/yKALrAgDYSmHgahIitmi5rKu8fLyqVWi2kAfbQz8iWFrP+/2EWE3EhhMfDhbooMcWGTiI1a9pMNC9fVzTluk0gFKs= Message-ID: <913728d60609131557n41f2710v26a5d8ac985d0086@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:57:01 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Demo In-Reply-To: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5A6x1D.A.QKD._yICFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Although i have no real constructive criticism, i'll just say that i like these demos...the one i thought sounded best was breathe :) i like that harmonized loop you put in there :) Charlie On 9/13/06, Pushing Air wrote: > Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now > officially called my "demo." :biting nails: > > Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at > http://www.pushingair.com/demo > > I'd much appreciate your comments. > > Thanks! > > Diana > > -- > Pushing Air > Live Looping Solo Acapella > www.pushingair.com > > also at: > http://www.myspace.com/pushingair > http://pushingair.tribe.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 23:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7733BECA; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:10:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Fwd: "This Is Your Brain on Music" | Salon Books Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1053933480==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112061ff5598091069a7dfb51deb86b80234e1b07b6de8ea84a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.153 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:10:19 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1053933480==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've been reading the book. Highly recommended.... -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1053933480==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Fwd: "This Is Your Brain on Music" | Salon Books
I've been reading the book. Highly recommended....
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--============_-1053933480==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 04:12:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D9D83BEB9; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QdH/tyy364ZWQ2l6XNrtZkyupboV6w0N/G2Kw7cijkO+5qt0gqAVjc7m64U81hg06q/TXWJDxTaaztiCpT0gmUtKbVUQBVaVLiAsEn3zGimQjb8ll0ZEz95NJAYJTmqs28WV4wVqIbK/dCcTUSmej27IDCyyFJdGCVM2+H9rDiE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:12:31 -0400 From: "J.K. Brogan" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping setup assistance needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <3tTUhB.A.NgE.xaNCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:12:33 +0000 (UTC) I am in great need of assistance in creating a looping setup and after having researched the EHX 2880, DigiTech JamMan and Boss SP series, I am still without a solution. Essentially, I would like to replicate having several reel-to-reel tape machines in a live performance situation. I would like to simultaneously play and process pre-recorded loops as well as record, playback and process loops live from various sources (probably using a mixer). I was very hopeful about the 2880 until discovering that one can only store one loop on a single flash card. I assume this means I cannot prepare loops at home, save them onto the flash card and load the card/samples during a performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 04:18:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEEB23BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping in Portland (Oregon) Saturday, Sept. 16 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c6d7b4$de82ff90$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcbW8Sae6stVUcNRQfquIOCaqlHdWgAw4FlA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Man, I just left there after a visit from Florida this past Monday. Looks like lots of great places to play up there too- good luck! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I'll be playing in Portland, Oregon this Saturday, September > 16th, at the 9 Muses Acoustic Tavern (2715 SE Belmont St.) > starting at 7PM. > Admission is free. I'll be playing acoustic guitar and > making heavy use of the EDP. Anyone in the area should feel > free to drop by and say hello. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > www.travishartnett.com > www.myspace.com/travishartnett > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 04:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9783BEB2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: CD Production Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c6d7b5$daa16320$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <015601c6d751$611189e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Thread-Index: AcbXUXdFoRbR9rRRQdOgsk0vY08IIwAY4gZQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Another approach I am using to CD release is this: a set of CDs (I did 50), each completely original, with no copies made. It is a great way to learn all those EDP functions I was scared to try, plus a great way to raise money for more gear quickly. I am having the CD release at a local art gallery, with some TV and radio to promote it, most CDs are reserved already. I am charging a bit more because they are each one of a kind. I have offered this kinda thing (a one-off recording) as presents around the holidays, and have received commissions for them too. It is just another approach to add to the standard CD releases. For some reason, looping seems to be a great way of making this kind of thing possible. You can read this project at the page below. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > > Thanks very much for all of your suggestions, people ! > (This is the strenght of this list....) > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 05:23:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CC3E3BEB5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4508E74D.8050507@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:23:25 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pix from looping gigs in Italy (live video on stage) References: <71A2930C-D350-4054-A405-AA30ABE6C9B0@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060909111306.01bd2aa8@tiscali.co.uk> <4506BBDA.4040807@infinivert.com> <64D27E05-776A-46FE-9E86-73135B1F5F20@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64D27E05-776A-46FE-9E86-73135B1F5F20@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3CJ5L.A.l1G.RdOCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I was finally able to sleep, lying flat on the palace marble, > during the loud PA calibration check before the gig on the last day > (LOL). more ROFS than LOL... ;-) I got pretty good at taking short naps. I lay down wherever I am and fall asleep for about 10 min - feels like sleeping for an hour... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 07:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60583BEB3; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=U0P3YEuq6SoVj1WfsWICT0E2oV9d53ZOFjPZ0B6FGtyQu31N5lfT+SMeuIyIrnrf; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <12180601.1158218398083.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:19:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Demo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd489eb1c05ebf2839466bb7d298765d3523547562a158a8cca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:19:58 +0000 (UTC) i reallee like that 1st cut -----Original Message----- >From: Pushing Air >Sent: Sep 13, 2006 3:25 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: New Demo > >Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now >officially called my "demo." :biting nails: > >Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at >http://www.pushingair.com/demo > >I'd much appreciate your comments. > >Thanks! > >Diana > >-- >Pushing Air >Live Looping Solo Acapella >www.pushingair.com > >also at: >http://www.myspace.com/pushingair >http://pushingair.tribe.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 07:33:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A79F3BEB2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: keeping loops interesting Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:33:28 +0200 Message-ID: <003801c6d7d0$1309b310$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6D7E0.D6928310" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbXxaL20dLqpqYrRUuTnyrgzl5CzgACla5A In-Reply-To: <3c3.4d902d80.32398f76@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:33:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6D7E0.D6928310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 8) wear a tin foil hat I like this one the best. Got a video of it? :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6D7E0.D6928310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 8) = wear a tin foil=20 hat 
 
I like this one = the best. Got=20 a video of it? :-)
 
-Michael www.michaelpeters.de
 
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C6D7E0.D6928310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 07:46:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C3E3BEB2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers , Per Boysen Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:46:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fcb1010 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <450916D2.8677.10665D@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:46:16 +0000 (UTC) On 13 Sep 2006 at 12:05, Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks, Nick, but I tap danced for two hours yesterday night and I'm > almost done now with setting up the FCB to match my MIDI bindings. So > I think I'll spare my Windows box another installation ;-)) I'd *still* suggest using the software - it's a tiny installation and more importantly, will save your sysex data so if your FCB dies for any reason, you don't have to tap dance for 2 hours again! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 07:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3669D3BEC5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looping setup assistance needed Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:54:09 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6d7d2$f8877a10$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbXtALv4qB2EJ3LTke6t2YqyWNI/gAHnaxQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:54:17 +0000 (UTC) The criterion here that has the highest knock-out potential (if you don't accept using multiple looping hardware devices) is the "several machines" one...if I get it right, you want to have parallel loops of arbitrary (and sometimes non-synced) length? In that case, the only hardware device which does that in one box (and offers some tricky loop processing things) is the Looperlative. You might also check out Per Boysen's looper comparison chart - browse the archives for that. Or you could go the laptop route and use either Ellotronix XL for a very reel-to-reel-based approach or Mobius. Rainer > Essentially, I would like to replicate having several > reel-to-reel tape machines in a live performance situation. I From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 08:40:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A06C53BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6D7D9.6588B4E5" Subject: R: keeping loops interesting Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:40:13 +0100 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C2633667E29@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: keeping loops interesting Thread-Index: AcbX2WV0EszvRsBmR/+Lbrile8VM/w== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2006 08:40:14.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C93CC0:01C6D7D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:40:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D7D9.6588B4E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sometime I use the technique that i have nicknamed "Loop in Loop" or = "Looping Loop" were I make a short loop then I evolve it using efx or play something to new = over it and finally I rec all the material in a long loop =20 Milco http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ =20 ________________________________ Da: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]=20 Inviato: mercoled=EC 13 settembre 2006 19.07 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: keeping loops interesting as is sit (sorry kim:) here looping some other ideas come to me: a) if using chords, double up the loop this makes it fatter=20 b) you don't need a looper to loop, you can do this with your playing c) voice chords differently, this can give you a nice sense of harmony i'm sure there are many more ideas, mine are pretty basic because i'm a = simple luddite.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D7D9.6588B4E5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sometime I use the technique that i have = nicknamed  "Loop in Loop" or "Looping Loop" = were
I make a short loop then I evolve = it using=20 efx or play something to new over it and finally I rec all the = material in=20 a long loop
 
Milco
http://xoomer.alice.it/mi= lco.montagna/

 
Da: Nemoguitt@aol.com = [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]=20
Inviato: mercoled=EC 13 settembre 2006 19.07
A:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Oggetto: Re: keeping loops = interesting

as is sit (sorry kim:) here looping some other = ideas come to=20 me:

a) if using chords, double up the loop this makes it fatter =
b)=20 you don't need a looper to loop, you can do this with your playing
c) = voice=20 chords differently, this can give you a nice sense of harmony

i'm = sure=20 there are many more ideas, mine are pretty basic because i'm a simple=20 luddite.....:)m

www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net= /vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D7D9.6588B4E5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 10:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4D823BEC5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w9pe+HqBRnqO/XNBHbvrcsFKIJb+8bFtoxpT9+lgaRPo3PTzWHhCJhi5aI8t9LPwnGlTP/Ga0FLFm0qHxLcufikASC2yZchr2CfmSx0j/cSivdpG9uEwSEz6Yo4usqMqgiARdVI7wsstTQs3EUBlChev2lBRyXkpE4xKmdBuDhY= ; Message-ID: <20060914103813.23218.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping with EDP synced to PC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060912014519.GA13864@funkytown.ralph> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Fw4zD.A.gNH.WETCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:14 +0000 (UTC) although i love this little box The MPC1000 is very limited with midi control capabilities. cheers Luis --- rick wrote: > On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 04:59:26PM -0700, L.A. > Angulo wrote: > > Hey Rick, > > just wanted to ask you what program do u use for > > backing tracks synced to the EDP? ive been using > the > > EDP synced to a MPC1000 but thinking about getting > a > > laptop and getting rid of the sampler,what are > your > > thoughts in terms of reliability,pros and cons > etc.? > > thanx for the info! > > Luis > > > > I use a powerbook with Ableton Live. > Or I mess around with seq24 on the linux side. > Reliability and computers and clubs I never feel > comfortable with, > but the versatility and ease of use I can't deny :O) > > Thought about using an MPC1000 also. > Didn't know if you can change loops easily with a > floor unit such as the > Behringer midi controller though. > > > > > > > hey all, lookin' for a little input. > > > > I've had the opportunity to do some solo acoustic > work > > and really would > > like to. Being that I don't sing, I'm not sure > about > > what to all do. > > There not pressure jobs. Restaurant/coffee shop > > atmosphere where I > > would be there more as background music than > watched > > as a performance. > > I just don't wanna get up there and "jam" all > night. > > > > I use my echoplex at home alot for fun and have > been > > using backing > > tracks via computer for bar work with bands for a > > while, so I have > > tools > > at my disposal. > > > > Just looking for some direction ideas or any > advice. > > > > thanks, > > rick > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DF3C3BEB3; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:25:17 -0700 From: Bill Fox Subject: Looping at Different Skies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4509745D.1020408@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: <97ra1C.A.awE.2NXCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I'm at the Different Skies festival at Arcosanti in Arizona, USA. I have my RC-20 and Headrush with me. Brian Good is also in attendance. We're preparing for a concert on Saturday night and are working on a web stream so you can listen in to some rehearsals as well as the actual show. One piece, conceived by Brian, is based around everyone who has a looping device making one, giant soundscape. The website will have streaming info and already has some photos. A movie of everyone's gear is in the making, too. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:03:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4663BEB3; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <45097D3E.000001.01804@SONY500> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:03:10 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_A9BLQL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5002253) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: New Demo Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:03:00 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_A9BLQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like these a lot!=0D =0D =2E..and I am happy to hear someone loop something other than instruments= =2E I was feeling a little alone.=0D =0D I like the arrangements. Are you planning to add any more parts? The recording dynamics are very good. I'd lean toward a wetter mix.=0D =0D TX,=0D Sony=0D =0D =0D =0D Thank you,=0D Sony Felberg=0D AIM or Yahoo: "LooperSDF"=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Pushing Air=0D Date: 09/13/06 15:25:15=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: New Demo=0D =0D Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now=0D officially called my "demo." :biting nails:=0D =0D Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at=0D http://www.pushingair.com/demo=0D =0D I'd much appreciate your comments.=0D =0D Thanks!=0D =0D Diana=0D =0D --=0D Pushing Air=0D Live Looping Solo Acapella=0D www.pushingair.com=0D =0D also at:=0D http://www.myspace.com/pushingair=0D http://pushingair.tribe.net=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_A9BLQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like these a lot!
 
...and I am happy to hear someone loop something other than instrume= nts. I was feeling a little alone.
 
I like the arrangements. Are you planning to add any more parts? The= recording dynamics are very good. I'd lean toward a wetter mix= =2E
 
TX,
Sony
 
 
 
Thank you,
Sony Felberg
AIM or Yahoo: "LooperSDF"
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 09/13/06 15:= 25:15
Subject: New Demo<= /DIV>
 
Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now
officially called my "demo." :biting nails:
 
Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at
 
I'd much appreciate your comments.
 
Thanks!
 
Diana
 
--
Pushing Air
Live Looping Solo Acapella
 
also at:
 
--------------Boundary-00=_A9BLQL80000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:05:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66F103BEB0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L6SmSZ2XuTHI7FY9949McLXy7W97cejzMegfN0NrMJhiDfvZ95YbZQvMqaHE+po8FYTE7tUJgG+Qa20JaRkeklDhPwpGFLkBabVnZrEsO8xI7S3q3fuzgNCDlzuxjjwmUKwhxqCjKJ05K9xwNUCDXLdmhaLduclU8Uuo3pDcj7M= ; Message-ID: <20060914170513.93644.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45097D3E.000001.01804@SONY500> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6D1mFB.A.2s.MvYCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids. I'm *still* on the hunt for the perfect mixer. I've given up on the single rack space solution. I guess it doesn't exist. I've discovered the Mackie Onyx 1220 will do what I want which is give me 2 (stereo) sends that can be configured to be PRE-FADER. That's really important to what I'm attempting because I'm running filters where I don't want to hear any dry signal. I guess my question is, What do people think of this mixer? Are there others that might serve me better? Less expensive? I await your wisdom... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C04F3BEB0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:24:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000801c6d822$ae4987e0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060914170513.93644.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbYH/ahRmcZkQOzQMq1PKd/UuGq9wAAlGzw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:24:56 +0000 (UTC) > Hey kids. hey senior citizen ;) > I'm *still* on the hunt for the perfect mixer. I've given up that's one hunt we all be on for the rest of our lifes [Mackie Onyx 1220] > which is give me 2 (stereo) sends that can be configured to I'm somewhat confused here. When reading through the Onyx' manual (Page 12), I find: "Since the AUX sends are mono...". Are we talking about different things when we talk about "stereo sends"? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A665E3BEC7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12612821.1158254402058.JavaMail.root@web25> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:20:02 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:27:36 +0000 (UTC) It's an awesome sounding mixer! I had one, sold it and missed so I bought another. The one thing I don't like is to use the sends, one has to get a DB-25 connector/snake to get the 1/4 feeds from the first eight mono channels. I picked mine up when they (AMS) had the great deal that threw in a free Firewire card and Tracktion 2 that costs around $400. -- Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey kids. > > I'm *still* on the hunt for the perfect mixer. I've > given up on the single rack space solution. I guess > it doesn't exist. I've discovered the Mackie Onyx 1220 > will do what I want which is give me 2 (stereo) sends > that can be configured to be PRE-FADER. That's really > important to what I'm attempting because I'm running > filters where I don't want to hear any dry signal. > > I guess my question is, What do people think of this > mixer? Are there others that might serve me better? > Less expensive? > > I await your wisdom... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:34:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C2C3BEB0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VaP/ZKFPRzvSuWW8/NNyKQivZ8r5DFJdhgDMOHzqXhcpGp1lmXkBRJCwobjH03F1n+havMnek+q/abZJZ7IbD43egl0f8OzOcHUAYEIKA8M+I0xSNH2ce7INHs/3pjtcgqWEcZ2hvlRAYd3obccQxagxjQtz6xjmPsFbPugRnSQ= Message-ID: <60d70c8d0609141034x103f7614yaa94b2983b4e1f74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:34:26 -0600 From: "francisco prado" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: lexicon Jamman memory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_140251_9735966.1158255266729" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_140251_9735966.1158255266729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline anyone have any advice on where to get the memory upgrade parts? Francisco ------=_Part_140251_9735966.1158255266729 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline anyone have any advice on where to get the memory upgrade parts?

Francisco
------=_Part_140251_9735966.1158255266729-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E136B3BECD; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NcTKqD10sREllhCIxoNqFqQrVYKuwQyzol/wZ+rFzhjP3ODhRQo+9jb6tig/Vlv6fIVN3imQrQL2V8ILfjmjGGwI/oaksl6RErALE3CLfXgv+vlak8g0IYoCrsCBCs86ggXbzwcI5oTJVykALIOhlF8/G2IOakwVBtYVXAMOJsg= Message-ID: <913728d60609141038s2568d7b1ncf24fea94804a633@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:38:14 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon Jamman memory In-Reply-To: <60d70c8d0609141034x103f7614yaa94b2983b4e1f74@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <60d70c8d0609141034x103f7614yaa94b2983b4e1f74@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:38:16 +0000 (UTC) here are some contacts http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/index.html Charlie On 9/14/06, francisco prado wrote: > anyone have any advice on where to get the memory upgrade parts? > > Francisco > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEAC23BEB5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 466914570 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Production (a bit OT DTP...) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:42:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.20184F53" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.20184F53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my band ships a lot of cd stock overseas. we have found a guy who doesn't mind if we order 5 or 500- he does them as cd-r (never had one faulty) & keeps the master audio & artwork so all I have to do is call him or email him. he does dvd too.... cuts the art, folds & inserts.... we get these for about $2 each, irrespective of quantity or whether it's a new title. I didn't have to shop around much for this deal, & he keeps it nicely personal but professional. I hope everyone gets as lucky when they need this kind of thing. but anyway. my main point is that for overseas sales, we can cut down on shipping costs by negotiating with the distributor for him to source & assemble the jewel cases locally. thus we only have to ship the discs & the artwork. most stores & mail-order sellers will have access to such things. OR.... for most of our titles I have formatted the artwork to fit in a clear polythene sleeve (you may have seen these in boxes of 100 in radio shack or stationery/office supply/computer stores). here's the DTP part: the artwork is much simpler than you get with a jewel box, obviously, although you can get adventurous & print both sides of the paper (I generally don't, though).... it ends up looking like a mini LP sleeve. I start with the front image, 200dpi & 123mm across by 125mm high. I position this at the top of the canvas which is 123mm by 250mm & then rotate it so I can do the rear image/text layout. I use corel photopaint, which lets me print external crop marks. my printer (a cheap colour laser) is pretty accurate for size, so the 123mm x 250mm is exactly right for these poly sleeves. in any case, I only use my own printer for mock-ups & one-offs, like vinyl-restoration work. for the discs- I scanned an ordinary cd I happened to have that was a solid block of colour, again at 200dpi, & used this to generate a mask for the on-body artwork. usually, though, this is just a couple of lines of text in a font (made from my handwriting ages ago using fontographer). this makes the cd-r look home-made, even though it isn't. actually this started as a wry comment on the snobbishness we occasionally encountered about our perfectly decent home-made cd-r's back in the days when we didn't sell enough stuff to justify farming it out. hope some of this is useful- duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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my band ships a lot of cd stock overseas. we have found a= guy who doesn't mind if we order 5 or 500- he does them as cd-r (never had= one faulty) & keeps the master audio & artwork so all I have to do= is call him or email him. he does dvd too.... cuts the art, folds & in= serts.... we get these for about $2 each, irrespective of quantity or wheth= er it's a new title.

I didn't have to shop around much for this deal, & he= keeps it nicely personal but professional. I hope everyone gets as lucky w= hen they need this kind of thing.

but anyway.

my main point is that for overseas sales, we can cut down= on shipping costs by negotiating with the distributor for him to source &a= mp; assemble the jewel cases locally. thus we only have to ship the discs &= amp; the artwork. most stores & mail-order sellers will have access to = such things.

OR....
for most of our titles I have formatted the artwork to f= it in a clear polythene sleeve (you may have seen these in boxes of 100 in = radio shack or stationery/office supply/computer stores).

here's the DTP part:

the artwork is much simpler than you get with a jewel box= , obviously, although you can get adventurous & print both sides of the= paper (I generally don't, though).... it ends up looking like a mini LP sl= eeve.

I start with the front image, 200dpi & 123mm across b= y 125mm high. I position this at the top of the canvas which is 123mm by 25= 0mm & then rotate it so I can do the rear image/text layout. I use core= l photopaint, which lets me print external crop marks. my printer (a cheap = colour laser) is pretty accurate for size, so the 123mm x 250mm is exactly = right for these poly sleeves.

in any case, I only use my own printer for mock-ups &= one-offs, like vinyl-restoration work.

for the discs- I scanned an ordinary cd I happened to hav= e that was a solid block of colour, again at 200dpi, & used this to gen= erate a mask for the on-body artwork. usually, though, this is just a coupl= e of lines of text in a font (made from my handwriting ages ago using fonto= grapher).

this makes the cd-r look home-made, even though it isn't.=
actually this started as a wry comment on the snobbishne= ss we occasionally encountered about our perfectly decent home-made cd-r's = back in the days when we didn't sell enough stuff to justify farming it out= .

hope some of this is useful-

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.20184F53-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:47:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E47593BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 466916980 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Powertran delay (WAS "Instrument" vs "Effect") Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:47:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.79A8E0BC" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.79A8E0BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Yes (oops) - it's a DDL - but the sample rate is so low it sounds like analogue ;)<< I know there was a powertran delay line aswell as the MCS-1; is that what you've got? I have two of the MCS-1, & have been looking forward to an opportunity to get them both in the same place & try some lo-fi stereo mangling..... :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.79A8E0BC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Powertran delay (WAS "Instrument" vs "Effect"= ;)

>>Yes (oops) - it's a DDL - but the sample rate is = so low it sounds like analogue ;)<<

I know there was a powertran delay line aswell as the MCS= -1; is that what you've got? I have two of the MCS-1, & have been looki= ng forward to an opportunity to get them both in the same place & try s= ome lo-fi stereo mangling..... :-)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D825.79A8E0BC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 477133BED6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PrN4D+WXsbS4daS9tGAE6t/HzMlQB6CqE4t7RUcyZkIhcEFhQMA0GRykVqcbg6pUx44otOp43erFPHZnFnJXrSpeVpLJwdBZroWBzpSz3Jl5B6ClQ0+Z6BJ82+2JL+kAma5jVORtYJN5qT3tfxQan2IEo+xyxx9PpqznOSqZ8N4= ; Message-ID: <20060914174915.79066.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6d822$ae4987e0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:49:17 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Hey kids. > > hey senior citizen ;) Oh don't I know it! > I'm somewhat confused here. When reading through the > Onyx' manual (Page 12), > I find: "Since the AUX sends are mono...". > Are we talking about different things when we talk > about "stereo sends"? Right, they are mono, but there are two of them so I'll use them in that way to fake a stereo setup. Seems best I can do so far unless someone suggests something else. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:55:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7136C3BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=z9q7PPe2yHx1zcp0ZcE6c6KLCyiQmmXhtOw0nF4l35kvmf10RdRV1QWCzzAU/NQ1Zx+Kl/R1BQuMYSgIO1aDqvL82M7K71mNTxydXQITfGagjgPxFnWdfb3D9zhpADsC6qWlyCXcOZgAjUB6iBRWcDNGnDQajqQgSBXi0eAjkBI= ; User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:55:36 -0700 Subject: Re: CD Production (a bit OT DTP...) From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3241076138_5461580" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:55:40 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3241076138_5461580 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hay Duncan, Was that you I shipped a EMU Planet Earth module to a couple of years ago? It was an Ebay deal and your email looks familiar... I will be in the market for CD production soon and appreciate this email. I might be asking for more details soon. Larry Stites Nevada City, CA on 9/14/06 10:42 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my band ships a lot of cd stock overseas. we have found a guy who doesn't mind > if we order 5 or 500- he does them as cd-r (never had one faulty) & keeps the > master audio & artwork so all I have to do is call him or email him. he does > dvd too.... cuts the art, folds & inserts.... we get these for about $2 each, > irrespective of quantity or whether it's a new title. > > I didn't have to shop around much for this deal, & he keeps it nicely personal > but professional. I hope everyone gets as lucky when they need this kind of > thing. > > but anyway. > > my main point is that for overseas sales, we can cut down on shipping costs by > negotiating with the distributor for him to source & assemble the jewel cases > locally. thus we only have to ship the discs & the artwork. most stores & > mail-order sellers will have access to such things. > > OR.... > for most of our titles I have formatted the artwork to fit in a clear > polythene sleeve (you may have seen these in boxes of 100 in radio shack or > stationery/office supply/computer stores). > > here's the DTP part: > > the artwork is much simpler than you get with a jewel box, obviously, although > you can get adventurous & print both sides of the paper (I generally don't, > though).... it ends up looking like a mini LP sleeve. > > I start with the front image, 200dpi & 123mm across by 125mm high. I position > this at the top of the canvas which is 123mm by 250mm & then rotate it so I > can do the rear image/text layout. I use corel photopaint, which lets me print > external crop marks. my printer (a cheap colour laser) is pretty accurate for > size, so the 123mm x 250mm is exactly right for these poly sleeves. > > in any case, I only use my own printer for mock-ups & one-offs, like > vinyl-restoration work. > > for the discs- I scanned an ordinary cd I happened to have that was a solid > block of colour, again at 200dpi, & used this to generate a mask for the > on-body artwork. usually, though, this is just a couple of lines of text in a > font (made from my handwriting ages ago using fontographer). > > this makes the cd-r look home-made, even though it isn't. > actually this started as a wry comment on the snobbishness we occasionally > encountered about our perfectly decent home-made cd-r's back in the days when > we didn't sell enough stuff to justify farming it out. > > hope some of this is useful- > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > Regards, -Larry Stites- Northern California Networks, Inc. Nevada City, CA 95959 530 320 4194 24/7 ncnet@sbcglobal.net AOL IM: LESGGN --B_3241076138_5461580 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: CD Production (a bit OT DTP...) Hay D= uncan,

Was that you I shipped a EMU Planet Earth module to a couple of years ago? =
It was an Ebay deal and your email looks familiar...

I will be in the market for CD production soon and appreciate this email. <= BR> I might be asking for more details soon.


Larry Stites
Nevada City, CA


on 9/14/06 10:42 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

my band ships a lot of cd stock overseas. we have found= a guy who doesn't mind if we order 5 or 500- he does them as cd-r (never ha= d one faulty) & keeps the master audio & artwork so all I have to do= is call him or email him. he does dvd too.... cuts the art, folds & ins= erts.... we get these for about $2 each, irrespective of quantity or whether= it's a new title.

I didn't have to shop around much for this deal, & he keeps it nicely p= ersonal but professional. I hope everyone gets as lucky when they need this = kind of thing.

but anyway.

my main point is that for overseas sales, we can cut down on shipping costs= by negotiating with the distributor for him to source & assemble the je= wel cases locally. thus we only have to ship the discs & the artwork. mo= st stores & mail-order sellers will have access to such things.

OR....
for most of our titles I have formatted the artwork to fit in a clear polyt= hene sleeve (you may have seen these in boxes of 100 in radio shack or stati= onery/office supply/computer stores).

here's the DTP part:

the artwork is much simpler than you get with a jewel box, obviously, altho= ugh you can get adventurous & print both sides of the paper (I generally= don't, though).... it ends up looking like a mini LP sleeve.

I start with the front image, 200dpi & 123mm across by 125mm high. I po= sition this at the top of the canvas which is 123mm by 250mm & then rota= te it so I can do the rear image/text layout. I use corel photopaint, which = lets me print external crop marks. my printer (a cheap colour laser) is pret= ty accurate for size, so the 123mm x 250mm is exactly right for these poly s= leeves.

in any case, I only use my own printer for mock-ups & one-offs, like vi= nyl-restoration work.

for the discs- I scanned an ordinary cd I happened to have that was a solid= block of colour, again at 200dpi, & used this to generate a mask for th= e on-body artwork. usually, though, this is just a couple of lines of text i= n a font (made from my handwriting ages ago using fontographer).

this makes the cd-r look home-made, even though it isn't.
actually this started as a wry comment on the snobbishness we occasionally = encountered about our perfectly decent home-made cd-r's back in the days whe= n we didn't sell enough stuff to justify farming it out.

hope some of this is useful-

duncan/r.m.i.


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 --B_3241076138_5461580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:57:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F7F3BEC7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1965.69.59.206.219.1158256651.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060914170513.93644.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45097D3E.000001.01804@SONY500> <20060914170513.93644.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:57:34 +0000 (UTC) I don't own one, but I have worked with them a bunch. A client whom I help with computer work has one, and the sound company I work for part time uses them for their small systems. They are GREAT sounding mixers! I borrow one occaisionally when recording drums at the studio and I need extra preamps, the pre's are very clean, off lots of gain, and don't have the harshness of the old Mackie VLZ's, these are great sound for the price. The EQ is also very nice and useable, and, as always with Mackie mixers, the routing options are very useful and adaptable to many different situations. I haven't used the stereo sends, can't speak to that aspect of what you need, but in general, you can easily get whatever signal you need wherever you need it. My client attempted to use the firewire option as his main interface to his computer, since he got the firewire option thrown in on the deal when he bought it. It was pretty unstable and we eventually gave up and bought a MOTU interface. It's also kind of large, not a really convenient size as a portable mixer. In general, I think they're great mixers. > Hey kids. > > I'm *still* on the hunt for the perfect mixer. I've > given up on the single rack space solution. I guess > it doesn't exist. I've discovered the Mackie Onyx 1220 > will do what I want which is give me 2 (stereo) sends > that can be configured to be PRE-FADER. That's really > important to what I'm attempting because I'm running > filters where I don't want to hear any dry signal. > > I guess my question is, What do people think of this > mixer? Are there others that might serve me better? > Less expensive? > > I await your wisdom... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:37:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 988DD3BEC5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060914143740.urn4hnf6wb484wos@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:37:40 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Production (a bit OT DTP...) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:37:50 +0000 (UTC) IF you 'd liek to make your own CD screens here's showing you how to do it: http://www.instructables.com/id/EFAN6S16FTEQ2W3MOV/ Also, remember that most Radio Stations do NOT like CD's that aren't =20 in something close to a jewel box. They like to be able to see spines =20 with info. Also, If not on the CD then somewhere you should have =20 track numbers with times. Not a necessity in todays day and age but =20 it makes Dj's lives easier. ~peace~ Plish Music from the Infinite Horizon... www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka Quoting goddard.duncan@mtvne.com: > my band ships a lot of cd stock overseas. we have found a guy who doesn't > mind if we order 5 or 500- he does them as cd-r (never had one faulty) & > keeps the master audio & artwork so all I have to do is call him or email > him. he does dvd too.... cuts the art, folds & inserts.... we get these fo= r > about $2 each, irrespective of quantity or whether it's a new title. > I didn't have to shop around much for this deal, & he keeps it nicely > personal but professional. I hope everyone gets as lucky when they need th= is > kind of thing. > > but anyway. > > my main point is that for overseas sales, we can cut down on shipping cost= s > by negotiating with the distributor for him to source & assemble the jewel > cases locally. thus we only have to ship the discs & the artwork. most > stores & mail-order sellers will have access to such things. > OR.... > for most of our titles I have formatted the artwork to fit in a clear > polythene sleeve (you may have seen these in boxes of 100 in radio shack o= r > stationery/office supply/computer stores). > > here's the DTP part: > > the artwork is much simpler than you get with a jewel box, obviously, > although you can get adventurous & print both sides of the paper (I > generally don't, though).... it ends up looking like a mini LP sleeve. > I start with the front image, 200dpi & 123mm across by 125mm high. I > position this at the top of the canvas which is 123mm by 250mm & then rota= te > it so I can do the rear image/text layout. I use corel photopaint, which > lets me print external crop marks. my printer (a cheap colour laser) is > pretty accurate for size, so the 123mm x 250mm is exactly right for these > poly sleeves. > in any case, I only use my own printer for mock-ups & one-offs, like > vinyl-restoration work. > > for the discs- I scanned an ordinary cd I happened to have that was a soli= d > block of colour, again at 200dpi, & used this to generate a mask for the > on-body artwork. usually, though, this is just a couple of lines of text i= n > a font (made from my handwriting ages ago using fontographer). > this makes the cd-r look home-made, even though it isn't. > actually this started as a wry comment on the snobbishness we occasionally > encountered about our perfectly decent home-made cd-r's back in the days > when we didn't sell enough stuff to justify farming it out. > > hope some of this is useful- > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > **************************************************************************= * > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:44:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6D82C.F9F82705" Resent-Message-ID: <7-De4B.A.mDH.pMaCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D82C.F9F82705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Hay Duncan, Was that you I shipped a EMU Planet Earth module to a couple of years ago? It was an Ebay deal and your email looks familiar... << ah, yes.... turned out to be a bargain. not only do I use the noises all the time (although the rom has migrated into a virtuoso box, aswell as being in a sampler), but the sound-set & the original module are "sought-after", to judge from ebay's occasional hysteria over the thing. the original chassis is a non-turbo, hence the migration into a better proteus box, but I still use the original case with a flash stick in it of my own mellotron sounds. oops.... wrong list.... >> I will be in the market for CD production soon and appreciate this email. I might be asking for more details soon. << just let me know. I have lost count of my one-off cd production- folks bring me piles of vinyl or tapes to put on cd, & I restore the audio on one machine while reformatting the artwork (A3 scanner or camera if necessary) on another. I've also mastered all my band's titles, since about 13 years ago, & I've delivered all but one of the artwork packages. the one I didn't do was an expensive nightmare.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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 >> Hay Duncan,

Was that you I shipped a EMU Planet Earth module to a cou= ple of years ago?
It was an Ebay deal and your email looks familiar... <= ;<

ah, yes.... turned out to be a bargain. not only do I use= the noises all the time (although the rom has migrated into a virtuoso box= , aswell as being in a sampler), but the sound-set & the original modul= e are "sought-after", to judge from ebay's occasional hysteria ov= er the thing.

the original chassis is a non-turbo, hence the migration = into a better proteus box, but I still use the original case with a flash s= tick in it of my own mellotron sounds. oops.... wrong list....

 >> I will be in the market for CD production = soon and appreciate this email.
I might be asking for more details soon. <<

just let me know. I have lost count of my one-off cd prod= uction- folks bring me piles of vinyl or tapes to put on cd, & I restor= e the audio on one machine while reformatting the artwork (A3 scanner or ca= mera if necessary) on another. I've also mastered all my band's titles, sin= ce about 13 years ago, & I've delivered all but one of the artwork pack= ages. the one I didn't do was an expensive nightmare....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D82C.F9F82705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:58:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE0E3BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:57:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Powertran delay (WAS "Instrument" vs "Effect") Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4509B442.27672.F3EAFE@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC961E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) On 14 Sep 2006 at 18:47, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I know there was a powertran delay line aswell as the MCS-1; is that > what you've got? I have two of the MCS-1, Yes, I have the delay - I've never seen a "real" MCS1. The guy who modified it for me also had a trascendent vocoder, but (and I had to sit down when I found out) he threw it away, along with a mini-korg!! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:11:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19593BEB6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060914161144.q340es3ppg68g408@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:11:44 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Free audio mixing software References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Forgive this post, but I'm searching the archives and finding this thread has been impossible. I believe Krispen asked a while back what types of free windows mixing/processing programs were out there and people chimed in. Was there a list compiled? Leads on the thread? Any particular one winout? Was it Gold wave or something like that? Thanks! Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:26:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276603BEB9; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fbaACJjMbftqXBrEaQ/MDLfaoDNo7X5xJX0hCU6ZFZCgC3o09+3r67qtD5XB7azxYlP/n7ppbmadJ4de7EdVhw04YfFxzApxFe5oamuSbbQEoUQM5Muu/mPU1j2mBFTgltG+y9P8C2S6jfZEYt8SxvENPMnOM9Ph7s4/w9UfNgs= ; Message-ID: <20060914202601.78943.qmail@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: Re: Looping setup assistance needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:26:03 +0000 (UTC) i think i'm qualified to answer this because i have spent a fair amount of time trying to do essentially the same thing. i had been using a boss rc-20xl, an old roland sre-555 chorus echo (tape echo with "sound on sound" function, allowing you to create short tape loops) and a mixer so that i could make two loops running usually out of phase with one another, producing interesting results. i had it set up so one send on the mixer went to the boss and the other to the tape echo. eventually i would change this approach a little bit by returning both sends to a channel on the mixer instead of the returns, so i could take either loop and route it to the other if i desired, enabling me to recycle loops from the tape echo onto the boss or vice versa. problem is, the quality of the tape loops deteriorates rather rapidly, since it is basically getting rerecorded every pass through the loop. so i don't use the tape echo anymore. instead i have sought out digital devices that will behave like tape when i want them to. the most primitive way of doing this i found was to get an akai s2000 off ebay for $100. with that in the place of the tape echo in the same or equivalent setup, i could sample things from any input in the mixer, including loops from the boss and use midi notes from a keyboard to trigger the samples at different pitches or using the pitch wheel to change the speed of the samples like a tape machine. with a sampler you can also, of course, save your sounds. i wouldn't necessarily recommend this exact sampler for several reasons which i won't go into, but any sampler capable of looping a recorded sample and accepting midi triggers will do. the akai s20 is another one i use, which is really cool except for the fact that it only has a floppy drive, so transferring large amounts of sound to and from it won't be easy. i use it as a live looper so it's perfect for what i want. your question comes at an interesting time, as well, because i just got my 2880 in the mail today. as far as i was able to ascertain through reviews, it was the perfect piece of looping gear. having used it for a few hours now, i must say it's certainly damn close. the sound quality is impecable, and the ability to have 4 loops going that you can mix separately is really nice. and of course, the tempo slider rules. the other nice thing is the ability to record any combination of tracks down to a mixdown track, letting you either free up the other tracks or put the mixdown track into "constant tempo" mode where the tempo slider and reverse functions do not affect it. by far the biggest bummer of the 2880 is the one loop per card thing. for what i want it for, it's not really that much of a big deal, but if you are planning on using it for prerecorded loops, it won't make much sense. i would say that from the sound of it, you may want to consider a jamman for your prerecorded loops and sounds (basically the same as the boss rc-20xl that i use, except in hindsight the nice thing about the jamman is it stores 9 times as many loops and i believe it has a flash card) and the 2880 as a control center for layering and manipulating those sounds, or some kind of dj sampler like the akai s20 or the dr. sample, which will let you layer loops and have some tape-like pitch freedom. of course, i could be way off the mark and making certain wrong assumptions about what you want to accomplish, but there's my 2 cents. hope some of it may help you decide what to do. regards, mike > > Essentially, I would like to replicate having > several reel-to-reel > tape machines in a live performance situation. I > would like to > simultaneously play and process pre-recorded loops > as well as record, > playback and process loops live from various sources > (probably using a > mixer). > > I was very hopeful about the 2880 until discovering > that one can only > store one loop on a single flash card. I assume > this means I cannot > prepare loops at home, save them onto the flash card > and load the > card/samples during a performance. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:30:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CD33BEB2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060914163011.uve0tu0zsr8cs084@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:30:11 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Found it! wasRe: Free audio mixing software References: <20060914161144.q340es3ppg68g408@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <20060914161144.q340es3ppg68g408@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Found the thread-I searched for Goldwave and found it that way. http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200605/msg00506.html ~peace~ Quoting mike@michaelplishka.com: > Forgive this post, but I'm searching the archives and finding this > thread has been impossible. > > I believe Krispen asked a while back what types of free windows > mixing/processing programs were out there and people chimed in. > > Was there a list compiled? Leads on the thread? Any particular one > winout? Was it Gold wave or something like that? > > Thanks! > > Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA09F3BEC5; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <076c01c6d83c$d71283b0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060914161144.q340es3ppg68g408@www.michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: Free audio mixing software Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:32:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:32:07 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html. http://www.goldwave.com/ www.n-track.com http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ I downloaded Audicity, and I worked well for me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: > Forgive this post, but I'm searching the archives and finding this > thread has been impossible. > > I believe Krispen asked a while back what types of free windows > mixing/processing programs were out there and people chimed in. > > Was there a list compiled? Leads on the thread? Any particular one > winout? Was it Gold wave or something like that? > > Thanks! > > Plish > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243A03BED2; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060914163722.ntrdaorfu5mokogs@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:37:22 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: Free audio mixing software References: <20060914161144.q340es3ppg68g408@www.michaelplishka.com> <076c01c6d83c$d71283b0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <076c01c6d83c$d71283b0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the sumary Krispen! Plish Quoting Krispen Hartung : > http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html. > http://www.goldwave.com/ > www.n-track.com > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ > > I downloaded Audicity, and I worked well for me. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > >> Forgive this post, but I'm searching the archives and finding this >> thread has been impossible. >> >> I believe Krispen asked a while back what types of free windows >> mixing/processing programs were out there and people chimed in. >> >> Was there a list compiled? Leads on the thread? Any particular one >> winout? Was it Gold wave or something like that? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Plish >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C065D3BEB0; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:13:57 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Line 6 Echo Pro in Loop Sampler mode - feedback control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4509C615.7070007@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) It's not clear from the manual whether this box has a feedback control for overdubbing in the looping mode. Can anyone here comment? At a glance, it seems like a straight phrase-sampler. Am I correct? Thanks, Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57AA3BEAB; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,166,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1681301683:sNHT18233004" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> References: <20060913152504.3p8c3niuckkco0wo@webmail.pushingair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2afcddc71b10cd1b3e7f1de08c000ff7@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: New Demo Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:39:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Diana, I really like these pieces! Saw you last year at Y2K3 (or was it the year before?). If you're doing the festival again this year I'll be looking forward to it. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Pushing Air wrote: > Yes, ladies and gents, I'm writing to introduce my latest mp3s now > officially called my "demo." :biting nails: > > Please, if you are so inclined, have a listen at > http://www.pushingair.com/demo > > I'd much appreciate your comments. > > Thanks! > > Diana > > -- > Pushing Air > Live Looping Solo Acapella > www.pushingair.com > > also at: > http://www.myspace.com/pushingair > http://pushingair.tribe.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D771D3BEB6; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, zonemobius@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:09:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <1niw5D.A.pUH.NMdCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) I finally received this controller and got it running with my notebook effects/looping system. I love this little thing! It is perfect for traveling, if you don't want to pack a large and heavy MIDI controller around. As you can see below, it is very small, smaller than the EDP controller, I believe. Plus, it can operate on a 9 volt battery for 200 hours. It only has 5 program change buttons (hence the small size/width), so you use the UP and Down button to scroll from 1-5 to 6-10, 7-15, and so on (a bank has five buttons). I am using it to control Mobius right now, and I will bring it to Y2K6. I did some re-mapping of my buttons to Mobius to conserve. I now do a Reset and Undo from the Mobius control panel, rather than the MIDI controller, as I tend to do these things while not playing anyway. I mapped Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next Loop, and Mute to program changes 1-5, and then Reverse, Half Speed, Insert on 6-8. Haven't decide on 9-10 yet, probably some cool Mobius scripts. Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Speaking of MIDI pedels, I ordered the MIDI Moose last week! It finally > popped up on an online store here: > > http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=41444&Category=MIDI_Interfaces > > 17" L x 3.6" W x 1.5" H (nice and compact) > > I'll let you all know how it works out, but I am buying this primarily to > save space for traveling and to have a battery powered controller for > street gigs (it gets fantom power from the MIDI cable too). > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: Broken FCB1010 pad > > >> Weird. My #7 pedal stopped working for a little while >> too, but with a little working it came back... I think >> I got it to work by pressing on it near it's front, >> rather than towards the back edge. I hope that helps. >> >> --- Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>> Yikes! Sorry to hear about that Per... >>> >>> Behringer pedals are pretty easy to get fixed in the >>> States and the >>> UK. But I don't know about Sweden...doesn't appear >>> on their service >>> center list >>> >> (http://www.behringer.com/05_support/service_centers.cfm? >>> >>> lang=ENG) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > Since many of us use Behringers MID pedal FCB1010 >>> I thought I could >>> > ask for advice here: Pad number 7 has suddenly >>> stopped working on >>> > my FCB. Has any one seen this before and is there >>> something one can >>> > do to fix it? >>> > >>> > The pedal has been treated fairly well. While >>> traveling by aircraft >>> > I kept it in a super strong flight case that was >>> checked in. Could >>> > it be that the changes in temperature and pressure >>> may hurt >>> > electronics? Everything except for this damned >>> Seventh Pad is >>> > working as usual. >>> > >>> > Greetings from Sweden >>> > >>> > Per Boysen >>> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> > www.looproom.com (international) >>> > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>> > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017643BEB8; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4509C615.7070007@Verizon.net> References: <4509C615.7070007@Verizon.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:09:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro in Loop Sampler mode - feedback control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120040308fb0390faaf99a7a231a9a3a74eab8411491ee73425350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.153 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) There is a third possibility that you have not considered: The feedback level is preset at around 98%. The loop will eventually decay if you leave the unit in record mode. >It's not clear from the manual whether this box has a feedback >control for overdubbing in the looping mode. Can anyone here >comment? At a glance, it seems like a straight phrase-sampler. Am >I correct? > >Thanks, >Dan Ash >White Plains, NY -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 03:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC0E3BEA9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RE: Live Looping in Portland (Oregon) Saturday, Sept. 16 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c6d879$9d1cca70$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbYeMKmVE1vPsX5SIKmjNDGUSSDLwAAJ1Fg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Lots of art galleries, museums, those McMinemen's artsy hotel places though- saw a few stages that looked possible for something next time I go up there. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > > Seems it's tough to find a gig there as a non-rock > out-of-towner, and the place I'm at this time is a start-up > (when I played there last month it was the first weekend they > were open), so I don't know what's going to happen. Once I > drove from Seattle to Portland and played for exactly one > person, who was too embarassed to stay in the same room with me. > > TH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 04:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8405D3BEAB; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RE: RE: Live Looping quandry Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c6d87d$df291140$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbYeyFs3ct6lOKmRJCqw3nQkFchPwAADjUQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Well, one aspect is to try to get lots of press in your home town, and book a show like any other out of towner when you call them up. They figure you must be 'somebody' because of all the press (before I had any, all of my press quotes were fictional!). Except a select few, rarely music you make with looping devices as a solo performer is a 'draw' in the sense that it will keep people drinking all night. No matter where you are, or where you are going, solo looping is a hard sell. We have to convince someone that they want to hire us, despite the fact we can't bring the crowds the Poison tribute band can down the street. Also, *we* have to be confident enough in what we do to come across as professional, and if no one comes in while you are playing in a place 200 miles away, it isn't *our* fault. What kind of advertising did they do? Did they send out a press release? Did they hang the posters you sent? Are you in their monthly flyer all over town? So, what can we solo loopers do? How do we get and keep gigs? Where should we play? What about the really *weird* solo loopers? I live in a small town north of Tampa Florida. I got met and got involved with all of the people in this area planning festivals, art shows, gallery openings, etc. It takes a lot of time. All unpaid. Cool thing is, they call me now, because they know me personally and I am easy to work with (this is *very* important). And now they pay me. I applied for state grants, chaired the Cultural Affairs Committee in my town and met the people making decisions about funding for music in the area. I made a point of meeting the local tv and print press and let them know what I am doing all the time- learning to write a good press release people can copy and paste is a great skill. In a small town, there isn't a lot of arts news, except for the odd school play. So they will put you in the paper. There are other options besides bars for us out there. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > > Yeah, I don't seem "arty" enough for galleries and museums. > I've played some in the past, it seems to go well, everyone's > nice at the time, and then years go by without them returning > my calls or emails, so I figure that something was lacking > for them. There also seems to be a tendency to view music in > visual art galleries as an afterthought. > > I think the root of the problem of trying to play 200 miles > from home when you have no name is that they know that no-one > will come to see you--the usual group of friends, workmates, > etc. aren't going to be there, so I'm limited to hunting for > places that don't expect you to be a draw, and it's tough to > find those from a distance. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546B93BEB3; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450A3C3C.1020305@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:38:04 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > as is sit (sorry kim:) here looping some other ideas come to me: > > a) if using chords, double up the loop this makes it fatter > b) you don't need a looper to loop, you can do this with your playing > c) voice chords differently, this can give you a nice sense of harmony Important for me: a) use a lot of different loops, some very long (up to 90 seconds...) b) vary the material, let go the sense of harmony... c) never let go the sense of comedy, but be serious about it... ;-) d) an error occurs only if you don't loop it... e) create surprises, surprise yourself... f) have more feedbacks than loops... g) process the feedbacks, not the loops... h) To follow all of these, you have to build the looper yourself... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:55:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46113BEB8; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <450A3C3C.1020305@addcom.de> References: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> <450A3C3C.1020305@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9fce0b8483a9ac2e2b3be52ff5b3bf65@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:55:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:55:25 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > h) To follow all of these, you have to build the looper yourself... Yeah, Stefan! Now it gets interesting..... I like letting go of harmony. To rephrase Glenn Gould's Dictum: "All great loop music must be contrapuntal." Harmony is a byproduct of counterpoint.... What I think is, the way to keep loops interesting....is the same way=20 as keeping music interesting: The four elements for me: 1) Dynamics 2) Pitch 3) Velocity 4) Texture Doesn't matter if it is a loop or an unaccompanied solo....keep the=20 above mixed up and interesting and all your bases are covered..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:57:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433533BEA9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450A40AA.1070707@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:56:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in a parking garage.... References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> <043201c6d6a7$f9e78520$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007901c6d718$b5ebe340$0207a8c0@eluk1> <2b34e736bd653bb50e7160ebf129b489@pfmentum.com> <1158177666.6863.32.camel@atlas> <75e3945956a6c0efb9a4cb0ac85f017e@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <75e3945956a6c0efb9a4cb0ac85f017e@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <43FtxB.A.HeF.tCkCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > It is so easy to route multiple outputs in max/msp.... AC3 is to make simple things comlicated... > I still don't know what eax or ac3 is....but google is my friend, so > I will use it..... Forget it, its not usable, better look into ambisonics. But thats almost unknown... AC3 is not for making music, its for distributing soundtracks. And squeeze them to the rest of the space of a DVD. The format forces you to setup speakers in a musically uninteresting way, 5.1 is for homecinema dummies (though it would work for 4-channels)... EAX is for gamers to give them the ultimate kick, there is almost no technical info about it available, it seems to be just a 3d reverb to spacialize sound effects. Not a distribution format, not a standard either... If I go multichannel I use 6-8 speakers... I would prefer 2*5.1 - would give me 10 channels... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 06:06:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEBBC3BEB0; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450A42DD.3080008@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:06:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: <003801c6d7d0$1309b310$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <003801c6d7d0$1309b310$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de Fractal loops seems to be the way to go... Did you try anything in that direction? Kürten seems to have given home to more than one big artist... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 07:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B167C3BEA9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450A579A.7010108@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:34:50 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? References: <45097D3E.000001.01804@SONY500> <20060914170513.93644.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1965.69.59.206.219.1158256651.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <1965.69.59.206.219.1158256651.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:34:52 +0000 (UTC) improv@peak.org wrote: > My client attempted to use the firewire option as his main interface to > his computer, since he got the firewire option thrown in on the deal when > he bought it. It was pretty unstable and we eventually gave up and bought > a MOTU interface. It's also kind of large, not a really convenient size as > a portable mixer. Thanks for sharing this info, I always thought the integrated interfaces in mixers are the future, but if they don't work... I always though the size of the Onyx would keep me off using it live... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 07:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49EA73BEB3; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WdYQEN7LftCHLP4J8ynfeS/+DZUsib6Kvmndt3jA9iulyXlgqcS6UKDCuQAVc8UzcqqxSIBqqIQFJZMrUISxmYGVYXHECPyLlFHiH7P9evPAk7Kso9/ekWeoA2bCe8Pl6ZCM7nmIKncc4gEER5q8b1nv9fBCcoeGdHRE7UqAhtk= In-Reply-To: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3307C4CA-AEC4-4ACA-85C9-8CA7198A720A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:39:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:39:56 +0000 (UTC) On 15 sep 2006, at 00.09, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I mapped Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next Loop, and Mute to program > changes 1-5, and then Reverse, Half Speed, Insert on 6-8. Haven't > decide on 9-10 yet, probably some cool Mobius scripts. Thanks. It's always interesting to hear how other players set up their controllers. That TEch 21 looks nice and portable. Myself I have turned into a true FCB Junkie ;-)) When my old FCB died after five years I just bought a new one and set it up exactly the same way. They have become rather cheap now because "no one buys them" (according to music store staff - I had to look around quite a bit to find one). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 08:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A323BEB3; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:53 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6d89d$c46b0190$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3307C4CA-AEC4-4ACA-85C9-8CA7198A720A@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcbYmiVcMBI92JwIQqec715FMGTn2gAATJ6g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3UX7M.A.00.p7lCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:06:02 +0000 (UTC) > Thanks. It's always interesting to hear how other players set > up their controllers. That TEch 21 looks nice and portable. Speaking of which: would you like to shed some light on how you set up your FCB1010 for Mobius control? For what it's worth, mine looks like this (banks 5-8 are for Mobius): Bank 5: additional controls 6-10: Retrigger, SusNextLoop, NextLoop, Start Point, Next Track 1-5: tbd - copy? bounce?), (tbd - save? copy?), Prev Loop, (tbd - Realign?), Prev Track Exp Pedals: A - Loop Volume, B - 2nd Feedback Bank 6: main Moebius 6-10: Record, Insert, Speed, Redo, NextLoop 1-5: Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, Undo, Mute Exp Pedals: A - Loop Volume, B - 2nd Feedback Bank 7: crazy stuff 6-10: (tbd), (tbd), SusSpeed, (tbd), SusReplace 1-5: (tbd), (tbd), SusReverse, Stutter, (tbd - SusMute?) Exp Pedals: A - Loop Volume, B - 2nd Feedback Bank 8: guitar control 6-10: Record, (tbd - NextLoop?), Speed, Mute, Next Track 1-5: Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, Undo, Prev Track Exp Pedals: A - Guitar Volume, B - Guitar Wah my computer keyboard controls direct track selection and muting, primary feebdack, panning, quantize/sync settings, sus mode etc. To explain the bank layout: the main bank for controlling Mobius is Bank 6. I get to every other Mobius bank and back to the main bank by one bank switch. Bank 8 has the pedal assignment for the amp modeler (controlled with bank 9) and allows me to record loops while at the same time doing volume swells and wah action. Most of the tbds here are really work in progress - perhaps some of your crazy scripts? I did save a whole bunch of pedal places by deciding to switch the settings vor Rec/Ovr/Ins mode to sustain and back via keyboard commands. One pedal is of course reserved for the all-new shuffling mode... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 10:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B6D3BEB5; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pjgnFY1+tphJRYH6NG/a0aIECcSvfWpMOYGISZq221KOAin2a7z19ZkFlUtwdGcgUd4DEdQO1XbKQ+IiXNf+7e6s3xc97pbpDYut8JXKdXVhI5dQquAtpA2bsXrUiBM6Kmft8OkfGCYG26kAIHvcEB7UT0ZVkOfznl3AHFrfIrs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c6d89d$c46b0190$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c6d89d$c46b0190$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: FCB setups for Mobius (was: Re: AW: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:14:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:14:06 +0000 (UTC) >> Thanks. It's always interesting to hear how other players set >> up their controllers. That TEch 21 looks nice and portable. On 15 sep 2006, at 10.05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > For what it's worth, mine looks like this (banks 5-8 are for > Mobius): 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<...... Interesting. I see you use the expression pedals for multiple jobs (your bank 8 - smart combo!). > Speaking of which: would you like to shed some light on how you set > up your > FCB1010 for Mobius control? Ok. I'll start with the two expression pedals because in all banks I keep them assigned to my Fireworx fx processor as (1) Input Level and (2) External Controller One ("External Controller One" is a Fireworx parameter that can be used for different real-time control in different Fireworx patches). Having one input volume pedal is new for me because when I played guitar I used the volume knob on the strat. Now I play only wind based acoustic instruments and have learned to use the volume pedal to avoid unwanted feedback between notes (or creating feedback for looping "industrial" sounding chunks). I know many guitarists play with a volume pedal as part of their style, but I never did that on the guitar. Before listing the FCB banks and pedal assignments it may also make sense to state that I keep four on-screen Mobius buttons to swap between different timing signatures. These buttons do also change the MIDI Bindings to make some of my FCB buttons call up other scripts that are written to go better with that specific timing measure (BTW, the timing bases are 16, 10, 12 and 7). Many of my FCB buttons are also duplicated by both computer key bindings and two small Faderfox MIDI hand mixers to avoid too much swapping between FCB banks. Mobius Track Volume is addressed directly from one Faderfox that has eight physical faders. On global Faderfox fader is used for Secondary Feedback, which is the key to how much of the old audio is going to be replaced by SUSSubstitute and all kinds of Insert scripts I use. I may work this fader by hand while playing and a script is running a sequence of SUSsubstitute or whatever. Now for the FCB exclusively: ----> Bank 00 (basic looping stuff) 1: Record (script that goes Overdub if you are already in Record Mode. If you are already in Multiply Mode it goes Record to let you cut the loop length outside the SwitchQuant setting used. Oh, and then this script also goes Reset if the button is held down). 2: Expert Overdub (script that sets the feedback to max while overdubbing... needed because I run Mobius in "Expert Mode" which would otherwise make the background fade every time I press Overdub). 3: Multiply. 4: SUSSubstitute (a two twist knob on a Faderfox is used to swap between two 8ths/cycle settings: one "normal", typicall 16 in four-on- the-floor and one ultra short, used for more granular style inserting/ replacing/substituting). 5: Shuffle. 6: Crazy Bass Script (Rate shifting up one or two octaves, then inserting staccato chunks with short duration, then going back to normal rate and finally doing a Realign). 7: Undo 8: Redo 9: Previous Loop 10. Next Loop. ---> BAnk 01 (safe loop jumping + sweatening scripts) 1-5 Go directly to loop 1-5 on next SwitchQuant cusp. 6: Script that does some fast rate shifting while in overdub mode. 7: Script that does some more "triad feel" rate shifting while in overdub mode. 8: Script that inserts short staccato segments right on the beat. 9: Script that inserts short staccato segments according to a groove map. 10: Mute (quantized according to SwitchQuant setting) ---> Bank 02 (Rate Shift playground) 1-9 Different Rate Shift values according to a scale. 10: Mute (quantized according to SwitchQuant setting) ---> Bank 03 (Pitch Shift playground) 1-9 Different Pitch Shift values according to a scale. (I don't use this much yet, since it sounds too bad at this early stage of Mobius development) 10: Mute (quantized according to SwitchQuant setting) ---> BAnk 04 (Chord Builder and Slow Arranging Tools) 1: Instant Multiply x2 2: Instant Multiply x3 3: Instant Multiply x4 6: Script that creates and overdubs a short minor chord stab out of one played note. 7: Script that creates and overdubs a short major chord stab out of one played note. 8: Script that creates and overdubs a short sus chord stab out of one played note. 9: Script that "bends" the pitch and speed by chromatically changing the Rate Shift value, like a sinus curve, over a long time span... some eight or sixteen cycles, I think. While doing this short staccato inserts (short duration with silence in between) are also performed. A funny script but not one you run too often, or the listeners might get sea sick ;-) ---> BAnk 08 and 09 Switching between 20 Fireworx patches I like to play through (before going into the looper). The Fireworx does slave to Mobius tempo, by MIDI Clock, so a lot of my patches draw on the tempo for dynamic processing. I'm using Mobius preference function "Max/Min Tempo" to feed the Fireworx a tempo that won't jump into ridiculously high or low BPM values when I mangle stuff in Mobius (this was an annoying issue with my old EDP/Repeater rig). What I miss when playing with this set-up is a quick way to go Next Track by foot control. But since the FCB has only ten buttons instantly available I decided to put that on a hand controller. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 13:16:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9A693BEB5; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32415856.1158326203058.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 6:16:43 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? Cc: Stefan Tiedje MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:16:48 +0000 (UTC) I haven't found the interface to be unstable ONCE I got it working. There were IRQ conflict issues that I encountered and initially I wasn't inclined to mess around with debugging the problem. Then, I sold off one of my pieces of gear (LINE6 Guitarport), uninstalled the software and voila! the interface worked fine. So, Mackie's tech support FAQ spoke truth. Short of crappy software, I don't know why an integrated firewire interface in a mixer would be any different than a stand-alone firewire interface. -- Paul Richards ---- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > improv@peak.org wrote: > > My client attempted to use the firewire option as his main interface to > > his computer, since he got the firewire option thrown in on the deal when > > he bought it. It was pretty unstable and we eventually gave up and bought > > a MOTU interface. It's also kind of large, not a really convenient size as > > a portable mixer. > > Thanks for sharing this info, I always thought the integrated interfaces > in mixers are the future, but if they don't work... > I always though the size of the Onyx would keep me off using it live... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 13:20:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C1D3BECD; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:20:14 EDT Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bff.48db780.323c028e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <1M5dCB.A.EX.QiqCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:20:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bff.48db780.323c028e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/15/06 1:38:25 AM, Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de writes: > b) vary the material, let go the sense of harmony... > stefan.....what do you mean and why?.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_bff.48db780.323c028e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/15/06 1:38:25 AM, Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de writes:


b) vary the material,= let go the sense of harmony...


stefan.....what do you mean and why?.....:)m



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 --part1_bff.48db780.323c028e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A433BECC; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084b01c6d8d0$7dc816a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> <450A3C3C.1020305@addcom.de> <9fce0b8483a9ac2e2b3be52ff5b3bf65@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:08:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:09:04 +0000 (UTC) There are some great tips here....I particular like ones about playing outside of harmony (Jeff), chromatically, etc. Of course, I prefer to play with no meter as well. I like things totally free. Here's something else I do to help keep my loops interesting: Forget I am looping. It's easy to get infatuated with the technology and forget that it's still just a matter of producing interesting music and art. Sometimes folks get so hypnotized up there on stage pressing buttons, moving sliders, and pressing pedals, that it seems they forget about making good music. And I suppose this requires getting so familiar with you rig that using it becomes internalized and does not compete cognitively with the creative process. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8E2E3BEB2; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QiAPPXDHX4KtV3W3iDp7m7KXCxs+YLhknS0oIieH4u4AOccAIaCN+DNJSpZw01ffbUchTN0NoAxuq3byO4A1u+AiR73iLQMpqQhKB9BDoalUlW29rDES9ht4RDgtxpXiJ3zWnkw27/5bmkQGR5KKsAZRvyqoa/DZYMZij2SDjNM= ; Message-ID: <20060915161841.48685.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060915041737.113083BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1370643003-1158337121=:47483" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:18:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1370643003-1158337121=:47483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i think it was dave E who said in his post: "What about the really *weird* solo loopers? " could you list a few of the really "weird" solo loopers, i could use some new listenings..... thanks, s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1370643003-1158337121=:47483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i think it was dave E who said in his post:
 
"What about the really *weird* solo loopers? "
 
could you list a few of the really "weird" solo loopers,
i could use some new listenings.....
thanks,
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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1370643003-1158337121=:47483-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:31:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9A83BECC; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3307C4CA-AEC4-4ACA-85C9-8CA7198A720A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:31:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:31:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm keeping my FCB too...it's still a great unit, even though I can't find a decent sized bag to put it in....I wish Behringer would make a version without the two expression pedels. It would be a lot more manageable for traveling and packing. That being said, I have altered my approach to MIDI control and looping. Although I think it is really interesting that people are doing all sorts of technical and fascinating things with MIDI controllers and Mobius, Looperlative, and other hardware loopers, like all the scripts, different ways of overdubbing, coping, etc.....I am still manage to the basics when it comes to looping...I still use only the Record, Overdub, Multiply (rarely), reverse, and half-speed....and of course I really take advantage of the 8 tracks in Mobius, for generating multiple loops and mixing/playing with them during a performance. I don't find it necessary to have a lot of looping features to play my style of avant-garde music. In fact, I could still pull it off with onlly Record and Overdub...my debut solo CD was with the Boomerang, and that still represents the style of looping that I prefer. For me, the possibilities just with these basic features are limitless when it comes to avant-garde, free improv, and experimental guitar. Adding all the other features and ways of manipulating the loops just clutters my mind and distract me from the creative processs. It is a simple joy for me to sit down at a performance with nothing but the Record and Overdub buttons, and my laptop effects...and just see what I can do with that....it's just my simple-minded approach. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > On 15 sep 2006, at 00.09, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I mapped Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next Loop, and Mute to program >> changes 1-5, and then Reverse, Half Speed, Insert on 6-8. Haven't >> decide on 9-10 yet, probably some cool Mobius scripts. > > Thanks. It's always interesting to hear how other players set up their > controllers. That TEch 21 looks nice and portable. Myself I have turned > into a true FCB Junkie ;-)) When my old FCB died after five years I > just bought a new one and set it up exactly the same way. They have > become rather cheap now because "no one buys them" (according to music > store staff - I had to look around quite a bit to find one). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:32:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB813BEB9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LJ3VlP8N4Wwf98v1mc6NQVTKeHBUO1Sf1+VxNgShyAcLGMreo6HmPI2QkM3oarhVGUw6NXnkP3e9rKl2X+lpY2aol92sztwRtvuxHkjXNbxdm8gWPga6MpD2f4CbC5xe+u5rTZ+evBBVBDVZvOXqceDXyaEbsU68G82CMQJ1spw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:32:38 -0400 From: "J.K. Brogan" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... In-Reply-To: <20060915161841.48685.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060915041737.113083BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060915161841.48685.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Look into Jason Lescalleet's album, Mattresslessness, and his duo recording with trumpeter Greg Kelley, Forlorn Green. He uses reel-to-reel tape machines, microphones and cassettes. The Norwegian artist Deathprod (recordings available on Rune Grammofon records) uses processed loops in his music. JKB On 9/15/06, scott hansen wrote: > > i think it was dave E who said in his post: > > "What about the really *weird* solo loopers? " > > could you list a few of the really "weird" solo loopers, > i could use some new listenings..... > thanks, > s--- > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2=A2/min or less. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 773913BECC; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:52:40 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001201c6d8e7$5b5219b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbY5HcpacZhPImLQFu6ExQLaNyUKQAAdyWw In-Reply-To: <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:52:51 +0000 (UTC) A lot of the time, there is more than one way to get a specific effect with the more powerful loopers like Mobius. Take as one example the combination of undo and redo. You could have your basic loop, then overdub a more dense part, and then have it disappear and reappear using un/redo. (Which is the way you'd do it with an EDP). Or you could record it to another track and mute/unmute that (the way you work with the Repeater). With Mobius, both approaches are possible. A really great example for this "different approaches to the UI" were the DL4-style scripts someone posted to the Mobius forum. The DL4 philosophy is totally different from the EDPs, but gives you more bang for the footswitch for some working styles. Rainer > coping, etc.....I am still manage to the basics when it comes > to looping...I still use only the Record, Overdub, Multiply > (rarely), reverse, and half-speed....and of course I really > take advantage of the 8 tracks in Mobius, for generating > multiple loops and mixing/playing with them during a performance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:06:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94703BEB3; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--355814031 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re:keeping loops interesting Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:06:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20--355814031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Some interesting stuff coming through on this topic (that which I've had the time to read, anyway). My own way of dealing with this, philosophically is to not think about the looping aspect of it unless I have to, but instead to try and conceive the 'music' first in an of itself. Having spent a lot of years playing loop-based music, I already quite naturally hear form in a loop-influenced way, so don't tend to need to force things. Occasionally I'll be looking for a different kind of arrangement, and then I go to my tools at hand to see if it's going to be possible... the ever-growing feature-list of the Looperlative certainly helps in this area. But I have, for the most part, avoided self-consciously labeled 'loop music'. There are some people who do much more 'loop-essential' music than I that do it incredibly well - Bill Walker, it seems to me, exploits his looping boxes in a more obviously loop based way (especially his ultra-rhythmic synced stuff), but his boundless musicality comes through in a way that makes it sound like the technology was made for him. Likewise Claude Voit - quite obviously loop designed music in the rhythmic/repetitive mode, but not even remotely 'dull' or 'tedious' - just great music making use of the arrangement possibilities of his chosen hardware. What's most notable is that great music is unhindered by tech or lack of. The great musicians are the ones who enslave the technology to their musical ends, but also allow it to liberate their musical sensibilities into otherwise impossible arrangement options, but still hear it and present it as music, where the fundamentals of music, be they melodic, rhythmic, textural, cultural or onomatopoeic, carry through to the audience, and the geekability of the loopage is an added bonus not a necessary diversion from the unsatisfactory listening experience. just a thought or two... Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-20--355814031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some interesting stuff coming = through on this topic (that which I've had the time to read, = anyway).=A0

My own = way of dealing with this, philosophically is to not think about the = looping aspect of it unless I have to, but instead to try and conceive = the 'music' first in an of itself. Having spent a lot of years playing = loop-based music, I already quite naturally hear form in a = loop-influenced way, so don't tend to need to force things. Occasionally = I'll be looking for a different kind of arrangement, and then I go to my = tools at hand to see if it's going to be possible... the ever-growing = feature-list of the Looperlative certainly helps in this = area.=A0

But = I have, for the most part, avoided self-consciously labeled 'loop = music'. There are some people who do much more 'loop-essential' music = than I that do it incredibly well - Bill Walker, it seems to me, = exploits his looping boxes in a more obviously loop based way = (especially his ultra-rhythmic synced stuff), but his boundless = musicality comes through in a way that makes it sound like the = technology was made for him. Likewise Claude Voit - quite obviously loop = designed music in the rhythmic/repetitive mode, but not even remotely = 'dull' or 'tedious' - just great music making use of the arrangement = possibilities of his chosen hardware.=A0

What's most notable is that = great music is unhindered by tech or lack of. The great musicians are = the ones who enslave the technology to their musical ends, but also = allow it to liberate their musical sensibilities into otherwise = impossible arrangement options, but still hear it and present it as = music, where the fundamentals of music, be they melodic, rhythmic, = textural, cultural or=A0onomatopoeic, carry through to the audience, and = the geekability of the loopage is an added bonus not a necessary = diversion from the unsatisfactory listening experience.=A0

just a thought or = two...=A0

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-20--355814031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F583BECC; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08d701c6d8eb$a1ac36d0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001201c6d8e7$5b5219b0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:23:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree...this is a simple yet powerful technique, Rainer. To summarize my main point, which is really getting beyond my original topic and potentially introducing another theoretical subject around looping, is that I don't believe any tool, looper, effect device, etc is categorically "necessary" to produce creative, innovative, and interesting music (this should be a moot point, I guess). I think we all have discussed this before, and maybe it was Mark who made reference to folks who record on cheap 4-track records and make great CDs, etc...I have heard examples of this too. It basically comes down to personal choice, and what one requires to be comfortable as a looping artist. I think it has a lot to do with personality type too. Some people are innately attached to details and complexity, others not, and then there are blends, and many other factors at play. Some are fine with Record and Overdub on a Boss or Line 6 Looper, others are much more extravagant in their usage of more complicated features. But in the end, for those artists that really engage me, the number of looping features they use doesn't seem to be a necessary factor, because some do great things with the basics, others do great things with complicated looping systems. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: AW: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping >A lot of the time, there is more than one way to get a specific effect with > the more powerful loopers like Mobius. > Take as one example the combination of undo and redo. You could have your > basic loop, then overdub a more dense part, and then have it disappear and > reappear using un/redo. (Which is the way you'd do it with an EDP). Or you > could record it to another track and mute/unmute that (the way you work > with > the Repeater). With Mobius, both approaches are possible. > > A really great example for this "different approaches to the UI" were the > DL4-style scripts someone posted to the Mobius forum. The DL4 philosophy > is > totally different from the EDPs, but gives you more bang for the > footswitch > for some working styles. > > Rainer > >> coping, etc.....I am still manage to the basics when it comes >> to looping...I still use only the Record, Overdub, Multiply >> (rarely), reverse, and half-speed....and of course I really >> take advantage of the 8 tracks in Mobius, for generating >> multiple loops and mixing/playing with them during a performance. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3ED93BED2; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WgbYnDNa+T0ijJCzXBWLX7ssryqsBFtyl9kyjCHwt/yoya6cWutpwx9oLSTwGpsnoE+Wg6zaBtd1css2htpXm68tNAhNIj5UcpUwy2wcHjIGrIEaePIB4BwLhAt2sH6/MwQBIMHIB9YsgYNDMeyXOYKG1bJVRyQITqA1qnTNiWc= ; Message-ID: <20060915172622.51136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:24 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm keeping my FCB too...it's still a great unit, > even though I can't find a > decent sized bag to put it in. If you're in the states I recommend checking out Ross. Yep, that's right. Ross "Dress for Less." If it's in your area you'll find that it always has a decent selection of roller bags that are usually around $40-50 dollars and fit the FCB1010 almost perfectly. > I am still > manage to the basics when it > comes to looping...I still use only the Record, > Overdub, Multiply (rarely), I'm in the exact same boat. I find that the less time I spend touching my MIDI controller for loop based functions, the better. That's why I'm always so keen on finding a looper that will auto quantize record a phrase of a predetermined length with one step... like the Lexicon JamMan. I just love being able to almost "forget" my looper. Mobius can do this now with scripts, but only in terms of time, not number of beats. I'll weep tears of joy the day he adds that functionality. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:27:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DE5E3BED8; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Iq9JqF10L7Zdi+gb5t0Si7qYEAvnqohFM3RFm8Qhy+3GR4Ul4jvLqHEAZWXvThvihxJgqw760nVTX2o9Y2UMxpBEJrIMvB/6U7pZh18O6VEVjBu3rbeojX7PDbJiUHam44BwdcrP+VpoLki+tr5SVzjG/pJqxrOuqx4dSUShrkc= In-Reply-To: <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3307C4CA-AEC4-4ACA-85C9-8CA7198A720A@gmail.com> <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <254031FC-1E5A-4519-B7EC-8CD21E9A820D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:27:18 +0000 (UTC) On 15 sep 2006, at 18.31, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Adding all the other features and ways of manipulating the loops > just clutters my mind and distract me from the creative processs. I have a similar approach to music: I always start the experimentation in my mind and take care to learn new things slowly piece by piece, only building on what I already know as my own vocabulary. I never play a note (or a Mobius script) that I can't already "hear as sung by me" (meaning it must have a true expressional value in my imagination, or I will pass and stay silent or go into a different direction). I think this is especially important for young musicians that learn both about making music and mastering an instrument at the same time. Without suitable guidance it's so easy to fall into the trap where you loose track of what is your own voice and what is simply pyrotechnics without a unique content. I really hope that people on this list do not misunderstand my musical approach because I sometimes have posted detailed descriptions of what I do, by technical means. Please note that these descriptions have only been posted on specific request. What really matters IMO is the music you make and I think its' much more satisfying to play music or listen to others playing other music, compared to describing music in words - as we tend to describe the technical tools we all use for bringing over that wonderful content of Unique Musical Expression ;-) Another related thought: Often people ask on this list "how to set up a looping rig". I think the best way to set up a looping rig is to not think about technological tools at all. Just think about your music, yourself and your destination in life. Then figure out how to express these emotions and attitudes as sound statements and you will find yourself with a good blueprint copy of the rig you need to assemble. Going the other way, like buying some unit and say "oh, this box has 64 outputs - I'm gonna need some huge mixer to do my thing" (ironically put) is just something I can't understand. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:38:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12403BED2; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nE+u8tsLLBnA+uFFqb0qS99vHuHiwwPWvJK2JRCxslHRLcGG0YAOmcOPC3zY3eanNy62EsmqwC4CZamD2bvdr3j9E95fhi8+yQD/+f9BCpn0ppdpgAmaGg6vM0JaGBMLXN3XG078nnfMZuIHkZIPgrY8qigbGCMkbnj3CXtp7MU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:38:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) I think a key method here is to not think about "the loop" but focus your mind on melodies that may come after the loop or a melody to add on top of the loop etc. Looping is not different from playing in a band: you just cant listen to your own instruments, you need to really listen to the other guys instruments. Then rely on your musical instincts to let your own notes just drop here and there as comments to other sounds. Or to put it in ice hockey terms: use Split Vision!!! Do not stare at the the puck, but take in a full scan of the complete field and only keep enough glimpses of the puck for bringing it with you as you move though the playing field. I love that allegory, it's so close to making music (and keeping loops interesting :-) Like meditation too: "relaxed concentration". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 17:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39DBC3BECF; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:41:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re:keeping loops interesting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:44:13 +0000 (UTC) At 6:06 PM +0100 9/15/06, Steve Lawson wrote: >What's most notable is that great music is unhindered by tech or >lack of. The great musicians are the ones who enslave the technology >to their musical ends, but also allow it to liberate their musical >sensibilities into otherwise impossible arrangement options, but >still hear it and present it as music, where the fundamentals of >music, be they melodic, rhythmic, textural, cultural >or onomatopoeic, carry through to the audience, and the geekability >of the loopage is an added bonus not a necessary diversion from the >unsatisfactory listening experience. That's great, Steve. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blogs: http://logblog.gdhour.com & http://playback.trufun.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 18:22:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 779973BEB9; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:22:03 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6d8f3$d80e5bb0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <254031FC-1E5A-4519-B7EC-8CD21E9A820D@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcbY7DFwyQ5snkleSo6iart1Snj6NwABWnrA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Quoting within context a few sentences from your post, Per: > vocabulary. I never play a note (or a Mobius script) that I can't > already "hear as sung by me" (meaning it must have a true > expressional value in my imagination, or I will pass and stay silent > or go into a different direction). I remember reading your posts (was it here or on the Mobius newsgroup) where you also mentioned that you learn new functions one by one, instead of just jumping into the technology pool and learning to swim afterwards. For me, the approach is different a lot of the times. Like listening to a lot of different music, playing with a lot of different tech thingies is an inspiration for me regarding new things to do. And I also do like to work with a setup where I use only a relatively small (read: well below 90%) percentage of its features. And I really enjoy it for the kind of sound I do when now and then something happens which was totally unexpected mid-performance. This goes into the same direction as the "work with mistakes or artifacts in your loops" discussion. Of course, doing improvised stuff helps in living with something like strange walls of distorted feedback and resonance wandering through the stereo field mid-performance ;). > I think this is especially important for young musicians that learn > both about making music and mastering an instrument at the > same time. Good point here! And here we're back with your initial "make the music in your head" statement...if you've yet to reach that point where you can create compositions in your head, too much tech thingies might get in your way while going there. > a looping rig". I think the best way to set up a looping rig is to > not think about technological tools at all. Just think about your > music, yourself and your destination in life. Then figure out how to > express these emotions and attitudes as sound statements and > you will > find yourself with a good blueprint copy of the rig you need to > assemble. Going the other way, like buying some unit and say "oh, Here you've become a little too esoteric for me. I see the rig design as a process in two phases: phase one - make up your mind what you want to do musically (which might only by chance have something to do with my destination in life, simply because I don't know it). phase two - design a rig which allows you to do what you defined in phase one. Part one is about music - part two is about requirements engineering. You're right that it's not possible to go through phase two without going through phase one first. And most of the time, us folks here can only be of help in phase two. And yes, a simple DD20 or Digitech PDS/RDS or whatever is as good a place to start as any to get along with phase one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 18:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC59C3BECD; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: keeping loops interesting Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:22:18 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c6d8f3$e13b72e0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <450A42DD.3080008@addcom.de> Thread-Index: AcbY8EgN6v4BYfkDTtiJAULFPMenTwAAyJBw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:22:18 +0000 (UTC) >Fractal loops seems to be the way to go... My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other related math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this? Fractal in what way? Tony -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 18:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85443BEA4; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450AF35A.9020903@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:39:22 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fractal music (was: keeping loops interesting) References: <005801c6d8f3$e13b72e0$0200a8c0@daw1> In-Reply-To: <005801c6d8f3$e13b72e0$0200a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030102020605080009030600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030102020605080009030600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My old hyper-prog band (probably the best group of musicians I ever hope to play with) used to say that "Fractal Rock" was the best description of our music...what we meant was that even complicated music with a lot of seemingly random or chaotic elements can make absolute sense. Sometimes it needs to be understood only as a whole, or through repetition (which is an understanding I apply to my own static loops), but then larger patterns can slowly emerge. I'm building a new site to house all our music, but I have a couple of tunes on my site.... http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/ojas.htm This is not to be confused with "Fraggle Rock" of course... :-D Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com >> Fractal loops seems to be the way to go... >> > > My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other related > math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this? Fractal in what way? > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting > > > > --------------030102020605080009030600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My old hyper-prog band (probably the best group of musicians I ever hope to play with) used to say that "Fractal Rock" was the best description of our music...what we meant was that even complicated music with a lot of seemingly random or chaotic elements can make absolute sense. Sometimes it needs to be understood only as a whole, or through repetition (which is an understanding I apply to my own static loops), but then larger patterns can slowly emerge.

I'm building a new site to house all our music, but I have a couple of tunes on my site.... http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/ojas.htm

This is not to be confused with "Fraggle Rock" of course... :-D

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

Fractal loops seems to be the way to go...
    

My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other related
math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this?  Fractal in what way?

Tony

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6D913.626EC370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 20:18:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1770C3BEDB; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <096501c6d904$1d8b68d0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <076d01c6d84a$69e4ce20$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3307C4CA-AEC4-4ACA-85C9-8CA7198A720A@gmail.com> <08c001c6d8e4$74bb68a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <254031FC-1E5A-4519-B7EC-8CD21E9A820D@gmail.com> Subject: Re: The Tech 21 MIDI Moose, and my simple-minded approach to looping Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:18:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <7PFTf.A.2nC.aqwCFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) I completely resonate with your points here, Per. I think many musicians who are educators, have played jazz professionally, or who are free improv musicians definitely utilize this approach of hearing or imaging notes before they play them. I do the same much of the time, and often when I play traditional jazz and I'm soloing over the changes, I scat along with my guitar lines. It is good practice to keep my melodies "real"...because if I start "blowing" over the changes with 32nd notes, with a lot of chromatic runs and filler, like if you are soloing over Stella by Starlight or Giant Steps as 300 beats per minute, it becomes impossible to scat along with it. The soling loses some of its melodic appeal and moves into the technical, "oh yeah, I can play as fast as John McLaughlin" approach. Though this latter fun has its merits too and is a lot of fun. Also, this is why a lot of jazz educators recommend that when students learn songs that they first be able to hum or sing the head melody. The jazz songs I play best on are the ones that I can play in my mind, and consequently I can play them in any key, or solo while always having that melodic structure cycling through my heads to maintain the grounding. ...all this said, however, I am still a proponent of spontaneous experimentation and improvisation. I don't think being able to imagine the note before playing it is a hard and fast rule, but it is a good one. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > I have a similar approach to music: I always start the experimentation in > my mind and take care to learn new things slowly piece by piece, only > building on what I already know as my own vocabulary. I never play a > note (or a Mobius script) that I can't already "hear as sung by me" > (meaning it must have a true expressional value in my imagination, or I > will pass and stay silent or go into a different direction). > > I think this is especially important for young musicians that learn both > about making music and mastering an instrument at the same time. Without > suitable guidance it's so easy to fall into the trap where you loose > track of what is your own voice and what is simply pyrotechnics without a > unique content. > > I really hope that people on this list do not misunderstand my musical > approach because I sometimes have posted detailed descriptions of what I > do, by technical means. Please note that these descriptions have only > been posted on specific request. What really matters IMO is the music you > make and I think its' much more satisfying to play music or listen to > others playing other music, compared to describing music in words - as we > tend to describe the technical tools we all use for bringing over that > wonderful content of Unique Musical Expression ;-) > > Another related thought: Often people ask on this list "how to set up a > looping rig". I think the best way to set up a looping rig is to not > think about technological tools at all. Just think about your music, > yourself and your destination in life. Then figure out how to express > these emotions and attitudes as sound statements and you will find > yourself with a good blueprint copy of the rig you need to assemble. > Going the other way, like buying some unit and say "oh, this box has 64 > outputs - I'm gonna need some huge mixer to do my thing" (ironically put) > is just something I can't understand. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 20:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCD313BED0; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dHIkrJbDhby+6UoWAooSdyIdD/EQHcb16UGuJTak9g6tdJx3VcxZFIyqPWqiMdG4xIDeF0T7k3ohMbGItO2Q4dD4K2Q66EbPC7w7F3TmePw9VvOQMBV8/9RcOJUugRWFt99nlGLLEKEJ68nIHUDA4bFPTmRvoJfc/aFPuhiwU8U= ; Message-ID: <20060915204343.63483.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <32415856.1158326203058.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Damn. The Onyx is so close.. but why the DB-25 cable thing? I guess to save space for jacks? Anyone know a good place to buy such a cable inexpensively? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 21:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F9E3BEDC; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1245693.1158354469829.JavaMail.root@web16> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:07:49 -0700 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > Damn. The Onyx is so close.. but why the DB-25 cable > thing? I guess to save space for jacks? Anyone know a > good place to buy such a cable inexpensively? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > I don't know about "inexpensive," but I believe the pinouts match those used on the input and output cables for the Tascam MX2424 hard disk recorder. The cable splits the DB-25 connector into 8 1/4-inch TRS plugs. I'd guess they're still available from Tascam, but there are probably cheaper options. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 21:52:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9D33BED3; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c6d911$307d0950$5ba2eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060915204343.63483.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:52:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Here's a link from eBay where I see someone is selling them. A 10 footer goes for $42.95 plus shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7394767556&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? > Damn. The Onyx is so close.. but why the DB-25 cable > thing? I guess to save space for jacks? Anyone know a > good place to buy such a cable inexpensively? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 23:34:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95DC53BEDA; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uPrXwc2TEcCeRwlPXH6wH8ww/D6plvnMcqtwu/dU91BYmHFRmTGqWFWncN72t7ds+bCRDAisxhbk+IpcNs6xCAJ3BAWSSOP/6JYefCby5UzFVNvfE9Ia17RXMoO8rvIiQwpWo5p5ar/NtwoIhSts8johNpojHoSQ32Ypm5ghols= ; Message-ID: <20060915233453.49581.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1245693.1158354469829.JavaMail.root@web16> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:34:54 +0000 (UTC) It's just that I'm trying to do this for under $500 and having to spend another $90 on cables puts it over my budget. I think for now I'll abandon my idea for now and try using outs from my MOTU 828 into my effect chain and then back into my main mixer. It's not something that can be shlepped around easily, but when do I leave the house anyway? --- bsgood@adelphia.net wrote: > > ---- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Damn. The Onyx is so close.. but why the DB-25 > cable > > thing? I guess to save space for jacks? Anyone > know a > > good place to buy such a cable inexpensively? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > I don't know about "inexpensive," but I believe the > pinouts match those used on the input and output > cables for the Tascam MX2424 hard disk recorder. > The cable splits the DB-25 connector into 8 1/4-inch > TRS plugs. I'd guess they're still available from > Tascam, but there are probably cheaper options. > > Brian > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 02:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18BA23BEC5; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c087f1a41ee95cee7506e1b7468ca127 Received-SPF: pass (calomba.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.11; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <018a01c6d93b$f00f24e0$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <20060912214107.22800.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: loop listenings...digidelay/boss sp202 (my return from summer) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:58:05 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0187_01C6D922.C9874A00" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:58:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C6D922.C9874A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C6D922.C9874A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0187_01C6D922.C9874A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 12:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 549AA3BECC; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UZ8U3buKXeECNz3FuV/eVwdkU4g/cV1EsAH58RXAYUWudOJFTTo54aPVzkgLP3fAjQjujHb/R2DOwm4akxBg2TNMoD4IJ5TtB0RFPJir3vlyk67XDW6EuNeMlxSEdMOZoSVySSv82oSUHDwfgHp6opKCR4sXQbAcSy80IKZkGfk= ; Message-ID: <20060916122225.67627.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: percussionsits and bass player loopers around southern germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018a01c6d93b$f00f24e0$8386000a@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I am gathering adresses tel.numbers and websites of all bass or stick loopers,and d.j/vinyl/groove sampler loopers that live around the southern part of germany or would be willing to travel down here for upcoming projects.Please drop me a link to your contact thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 19:08:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08C5E3BED6; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHvnC0WBToocAQECBwIMBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060916194354.01b60080@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:08:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:keeping loops interesting In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:08:09 +0000 (UTC) possibly:- 1) Obscure the Start/End point of the loop. 2) Use the live playing to re-define the harmony of the repeats in different ways. 3) A short loop can usefully last longer if it doesn't grab the attention. 4) Suddenly revealing the background loop that was there all the time can be quite dramatic. 5) Learning the latest "loop trick" only really pays off after spending a lot of time making it work musically. 6) Simpler harmony in the loop gives more options for the live playing. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9185E3BED5; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: testing one two three Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:07:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060916194354.01b60080@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:07:23 +0000 (UTC) checking to see if I'm back on the list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6633BED6; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NBou9UVvAHWK2TGVTTQ3FJ/5KvhWbDi7gMmtUS/Z7ZTay4vLLWYVL7eLeleU8HMbwTxvbq9TEzX3vf/NX4/T/XhNq6zJ5MaMmRLA92Y5D7zQwi0gE8ON2ZPFlvTZdVrns2jAt6UXjpOlGDCSdXPGpbYp2eLF3lh8vtK9xt5cRpg= ; Message-ID: <20060917012241.6193.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: i am new and i would love to see your online videos of loop performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:42 +0000 (UTC) hello loopers delight list, my name is margaret noble. i just stumbled onto you all because i bought a gibson echoplex. i am an mfa student in sound at the chicago art institute and i am focusing on performance based sound/music composition via looping with acoustic instruments and synths. i would be delighted to see any quicktime videos you all might have of your looping performances. if you get a chance please send me a link so i can check your work out. THANKS! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7CE3BED3; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c1401c6d9f8$e931a720$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060917012241.6193.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: i am new and i would love to see your online videos of loop performances Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:30:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Great to have you on the list, Margaret! I have some videos that were shot professionally by a music video producer and team, and they are still aired on my local cable TV station every month. These are four songs of me looping with the acoustic guitar, two echoplexes, Boss GT3, etc. http://www.krispenhartung.com/looping-videos.htm Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret noble" > hello loopers delight list, > > my name is margaret noble. i just stumbled onto you > all because i bought a gibson echoplex. i am an mfa > student in sound at the chicago art institute and i am > focusing on performance based sound/music composition > via looping with acoustic instruments and synths. > > i would be delighted to see any quicktime videos you > all might have of your looping performances. if you > get a chance please send me a link so i can check your > work out. THANKS! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:41:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACD863BED3; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fH3hZLr5ZAD41db0DMa/uUh6AfJv9ibaX+/ngedlQNErBaQ9eUQ6EtcZ8TMPy+QLQHqSBsllAlhdnight40J0Ygaz42SAz6qvaGML9VaGkiyOw9nLxdhCtyirNprK3uFFHr7Djhszup+ZnIAMJCK209ZTpJzlilidZR+3ho4zAQ= ; Message-ID: <20060917014126.65074.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Bag for that anoying carrying Fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060915172622.51136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:41:28 +0000 (UTC) --- mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I'm keeping my FCB too...it's still a great unit, > > even though I can't find a > > decent sized bag to put it in. > > If you're in the states I recommend checking out > Ross. > Yep, that's right. Ross "Dress for Less." If it's > in > your area you'll find that it always has a decent > selection of roller bags that are usually around > $40-50 dollars and fit the FCB1010 almost perfectly. too expensive bro why not get this sucka: http://www.thomann.de/de/rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag.htm a know it aint gon let u down Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:45:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC853BEDF; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37d.b09280d.323e02c4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:45:40 EDT Subject: Re: i am new and i would love to see your online videos of loop performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_37d.b09280d.323e02c4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:45:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_37d.b09280d.323e02c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit margaret.....no videos yet but lots of tunes.....www.ct-collective.com.....welcome.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_37d.b09280d.323e02c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable margaret.....no videos yet but lots of=20= tunes.....www.ct-collective.com.....welcome.....:)m



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 --part1_37d.b09280d.323e02c4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 02:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7EE3BED3; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XFC6+CaGBxV/SMiOgFL1YrwtxoVEuMfRTo0IyGjQL/YvutchJEsyupL7gh01Valam+nXUwgQ3llh9ck2j98ElCfpQiLxPxAplgcaV55P5G1DGakhvr6jA4T2iMK1afjizQA4udy4BK9WMuvmLjwF6/SnCLDxQyjeTQaGtrAcP9Y= ; Message-ID: <20060917022644.71260.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re:keeping loops interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Yes,very interesting topic,last year i did a promo interview at the independent Radio Frontera in Tijuana Baja California.As one of the tracks on my CD(wasserfall) was being played i was explaining briefly the proccess to the interviewer which he found interesting and enjoyable.But Then there is a glitching section at the end of the track which sounds like the CD is skipping and he snapped and turned to the broadcaster who was playing the CD behind the glass cabin thinking there was something wrong and i told him no no, its ok, its part of the music,please let it play further;-) This experience was also sort of a revelation to me... because the song itself is not loop tech complicated at all,i wasnt thinking in the begining about loop pyro technics at all,i just played some simple canon notes and improvised on top of it which can sound pleasing to the normal listener.The funny thing is that because of lack of ideas it was totally improvised in an inocent subconcious way and to my surprise it happens to be the song that people seem to enjoy the most,in fact i put it up in myspace for download after request: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49546016 sometimes i worry that my ear will indulge too much into repetition which can be unpleasant for other people... Luis --- Steve Lawson wrote: > Some interesting stuff coming through on this topic > (that which I've > had the time to read, anyway). > > My own way of dealing with this, philosophically is > to not think > about the looping aspect of it unless I have to, but > instead to try > and conceive the 'music' first in an of itself. > Having spent a lot of > years playing loop-based music, I already quite > naturally hear form > in a loop-influenced way, so don't tend to need to > force things. > Occasionally I'll be looking for a different kind of > arrangement, and > then I go to my tools at hand to see if it's going > to be possible... > the ever-growing feature-list of the Looperlative > certainly helps in > this area. > > But I have, for the most part, avoided > self-consciously labeled 'loop > music'. There are some people who do much more > 'loop-essential' music > than I that do it incredibly well - Bill Walker, it > seems to me, > exploits his looping boxes in a more obviously loop > based way > (especially his ultra-rhythmic synced stuff), but > his boundless > musicality comes through in a way that makes it > sound like the > technology was made for him. Likewise Claude Voit - > quite obviously > loop designed music in the rhythmic/repetitive mode, > but not even > remotely 'dull' or 'tedious' - just great music > making use of the > arrangement possibilities of his chosen hardware. > > What's most notable is that great music is > unhindered by tech or lack > of. The great musicians are the ones who enslave the > technology to > their musical ends, but also allow it to liberate > their musical > sensibilities into otherwise impossible arrangement > options, but > still hear it and present it as music, where the > fundamentals of > music, be they melodic, rhythmic, textural, cultural > or onomatopoeic, > carry through to the audience, and the geekability > of the loopage is > an added bonus not a necessary diversion from the > unsatisfactory > listening experience. > > just a thought or two... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 02:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4689F3BED0; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:43:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0C4B_01C6D9D0.B2D709E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:43:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0C4B_01C6D9D0.B2D709E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought a 6-string mandolin (tuned exactly like a guitar but an = octave up) to diversity my experimental music ventures, but I am also = looking for a decent mini electric guitar. Can anyone make a = recommendation? I don't want to spend too much, around $300 or so, new = or used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0C4B_01C6D9D0.B2D709E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0C4B_01C6D9D0.B2D709E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 03:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF61F3BED3; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bID+Za9JKfKkWkJBHiKbXnbC0BDsCMM+wSq3oHIQZEH4BrFzzhq3t1QwgqtTyZp9+0aS5cDW07ToUupMwEc1K6vb7TgorO+MZ2AXULD3dQWZWeuRwktCm1w7ZXaQKjQcS7f5m+cwWuHeBaJvzAeTm/X1U9bB4LVyYikiJxCJexA= ; Message-ID: <20060917031128.94826.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:11:29 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? Compared to other guitars in their price range, yes. I actually like the R-trem a lot. Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, though, you'd see a big difference in quality. When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking for portability, or would you prefer something like a Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very small body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale length, same as a strat or tele. -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 03:48:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231EE3BED0; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4fFNjPfD90OV/c70TEocO1g6oiXFPiYBlqN13zyIm/YFq7gvOtiHARazzuqbwsdbPiiv+oEyNnv0y8Y7Ixmfi/wcTPZH/AeWTjhLw9+YfO7nQaT5G5lX9oSeQgVvBGu616gBi/CWLTDsg7lrfT5FvjYC/YJscYLV3cOsHi1x9wc= ; Message-ID: <20060917034805.1883.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Something like Augustus Loop for XP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060917031128.94826.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7XFJAD.A.FNF.2VMDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi. Today was a good day to loop. All this time I've been hoping a "tap once" to record a loop of a predetermined size function would be added to Mobius, when it dawned on me that I already owned a tool for that job. Augustus Loop. Works perfectly. The new version sure seems cool, though I'm going to have to brush up on it's functionality as there seems to be a lot added since I kind of abandoned it in lieu of the Repeater. So this method is going to work great for me when I'm home, but I'm gearing up for live shows again and I'd like to be able to "take it with me." Unfortunately my "take it with me" machine is a Toshiba running XP Pro. Is there anything like Augustus loop for XP? I downloaded Ronin and I was underwelmed. I couldn't even get the demo to sync correctly in Live 5. I own PSP42 but it's silly delay limitation makes it more or less unusable to me. Really I just want a MIDI syncable delay VST with some decent length and the ability to control feedback. I'd even be up for a Reaktor .ens if someone knows of a good one. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 03:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DC33BEDE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c6001c6da0c$2379ded0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060917031128.94826.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:48:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Either Mini or standard guitar that is squished down in size would work. The problem with most of the mini guitars is that they have only bridge pickups, which I hardly every use. I need a neck pickup, dual humbucker. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? > > Compared to other guitars in their price range, yes. I > actually like the R-trem a lot. > > Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, though, > you'd see a big difference in quality. > > When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking for > portability, or would you prefer something like a > Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very small > body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale > length, same as a strat or tele. > > -t- > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:07:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AAA73BEE9; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nFXwuLN4KxPYgXlFUbuZRZAhSV3G6pftiRqgnejafTQwVI0sJLAeeJa2m9YTRSgpiU2PUqdxUJvqGHSEnf1mTSVZrBbwvkOcIC9DSi9CSnvDDevXyYX17tXaQq1D33RJUB9oBRkJq52JQ/1TbXa6lLGKKAHPeX37a5qMqGLgAdk= Message-ID: <913728d60609162107p6453de12yf608a2382a6bcfc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:07:29 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars In-Reply-To: <0c6001c6da0c$2379ded0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060917031128.94826.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c6001c6da0c$2379ded0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:07:31 +0000 (UTC) would you take a short scale guitar? http://www.rondomusic.net/gg1stdshort.html Charlie On 9/16/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Either Mini or standard guitar that is squished down in size would work. > The problem with most of the mini guitars is that they have only bridge > pickups, which I hardly every use. I need a neck pickup, dual humbucker. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? > > > > Compared to other guitars in their price range, yes. I > > actually like the R-trem a lot. > > > > Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, though, > > you'd see a big difference in quality. > > > > When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking for > > portability, or would you prefer something like a > > Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very small > > body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale > > length, same as a strat or tele. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > > 'Mesh' CD: > > Chain Tape Collective: > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 624FD3BEF4; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c6da0e$f2792220$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbY4p3m6OdEDhdXQpSqAyB//vOTrwBLBSMw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060915161841.48685.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:08:38 +0000 (UTC) You know, they must be out there, but its really not my listening bag....I would be interested to know too, to give em a try. So, if you like to loop the sound of glass breaking while ball bearings are tossed in a blender, lets hear from you! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives ________________________________ i think it was dave E who said in his post: "What about the really *weird* solo loopers? " could you list a few of the really "weird" solo loopers, i could use some new listenings..... thanks, s--- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A663BEFE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: CD Production Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c6da0f$90a3b410$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbX3Zvn5eHxtCbFQiqvRhwFJagiVACMVjhA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060914090923.78891.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Luis! The idea of it 'never happening again' was the idea behind this concept. Listening to those soundclips, the background sounds are long gated reverbs with no dry signal, some are pitch transposed with a short delay, with lots of feedback so the signal bounces up a 5th every time it echos, and then reversed. Some of the other sounds are guitar synth, like the drums- just a tom sample, detuned, and then played from guitar, and then looped on the EDP. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives > Subject: RE: CD Production > > Brilliant concept Dave this is actually what looping is all > about because it will never happen again everytime i do a > show i ask myself shit what did i just do! > i am enjoying your stuff reminiscent of the future sounds of jazz! > questions: > whats those background sounds on a gulp of magpies,deceipt of > lapwings? > Is that a synced drum machine behind a leash of greyhounds? > keep up the good work buddy > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:38:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6C53BEE8; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6D9D8.83584000" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:38:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6D9D8.83584000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit asre you talking shorter scale length? If so,Fender makes both a cheap squier and a mexican made standard mini strat, that I believe have a universal route. slap a humbucker in the neck of one of those and you are good to go. Both are 3/4 sized. I do believe epiphone makes a mini les paul as well. either choice would be pretty decent, I have a mini strat that was a kit that stewart macdonald used to offer. I've tried several different pickups in it and now it just has one neck pickup. I usually tune it to B above E as the scale is like the distance to the 7th fret on a standard fender scale length. Right now its tuned to an open Hi C tuning for bottle neck slide playing. I'd E-bay mini guitar and see what comes up... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mini Electric Guitars I just bought a 6-string mandolin (tuned exactly like a guitar but an octave up) to diversity my experimental music ventures, but I am also looking for a decent mini electric guitar. Can anyone make a recommendation? I don't want to spend too much, around $300 or so, new or used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6D9D8.83584000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 asre you talking shorter scale length?  If so,Fender = makes=20 both a cheap squier and a mexican made standard mini strat, that I = believe have=20 a universal route. slap a humbucker in the neck of one of those and you = are good=20 to go. Both are 3/4 sized.
 I do believe epiphone makes a mini les paul as well. = either choice=20 would be pretty decent,  I have a mini strat that was a kit = that=20 stewart macdonald used to offer. I've tried several different pickups in = it and=20 now  it just has one neck pickup. I usually tune it to B above E as = the=20 scale is like the distance to the 7th fret on a standard fender scale = length.=20 Right now its tuned to an open Hi C tuning for bottle neck slide = playing. I'd=20 E-bay mini guitar  and see what comes up...
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, = September 16, 2006 7:43 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Mini Electric=20 Guitars

I just bought a 6-string mandolin = (tuned exactly=20 like a guitar but an octave up) to diversity my experimental music = ventures,=20 but I am also looking for a decent mini electric guitar. Can anyone = make a=20 recommendation? I don't want to spend too much, around $300 or so, new = or=20 used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent?
 
Kris
 
 
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www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6D9D8.83584000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 05:49:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285F23BEE1; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6PgiqoKmaYPl3IENIkVq6jSZF9cg+78phdwIf1EUD6lpNXj7kwxbDD+FCToLlROd20MeSRp7ODiVs3RyyHxevK4jg0ZRAv7NUvFQH6ie9upMdOsrIZZcAwnxpEuaH7F5gVdp1FUXARF5crKONtEn5bY+kXpxI7rI0dhRPiZCxVE= ; Message-ID: <20060917054953.58840.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60609162107p6453de12yf608a2382a6bcfc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:49:55 +0000 (UTC) WOW. Rondo Music of Union NJ. My first music store gig. Man I loved working there... except for the fact that the owner totally lied about my compensation and it wasn't until a month after working I realized I still hadn't gotten my commission check. Oh woops! He forgot to tell me that there was a test to take before he'd let sales people get paid a commission. Only one person had ever passed that test. I took it and it was packed with really bizarre esoteric questions about specific models (no longer even in production) and what they're bridges were made of and so forth. I did learn to operate almost any piece of gear sans manual there though. Mark --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > would you take a short scale guitar? > > http://www.rondomusic.net/gg1stdshort.html > > Charlie > > On 9/16/06, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > Either Mini or standard guitar that is squished > down in size would work. > > The problem with most of the mini guitars is that > they have only bridge > > pickups, which I hardly every use. I need a neck > pickup, dual humbucker. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:11 PM > > Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > >> Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models > decent? > > > > > > Compared to other guitars in their price range, > yes. I > > > actually like the R-trem a lot. > > > > > > Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, > though, > > > you'd see a big difference in quality. > > > > > > When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking > for > > > portability, or would you prefer something like > a > > > Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very > small > > > body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale > > > length, same as a strat or tele. > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > > > 'Mesh' CD: > > > Chain Tape Collective: > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 06:14:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02613BEE6; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c8c01c6da20$76e22aa0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060917031128.94826.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0c6001c6da0c$2379ded0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60609162107p6453de12yf608a2382a6bcfc0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:13:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Looks cool, but 38 inches is too long. I'm looking for the 1/2 guitar size...25-30 inches. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > would you take a short scale guitar? > > http://www.rondomusic.net/gg1stdshort.html > > Charlie > > On 9/16/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Either Mini or standard guitar that is squished down in size would work. >> The problem with most of the mini guitars is that they have only bridge >> pickups, which I hardly every use. I need a neck pickup, dual humbucker. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Nelson" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars >> >> >> > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? >> > >> > Compared to other guitars in their price range, yes. I >> > actually like the R-trem a lot. >> > >> > Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, though, >> > you'd see a big difference in quality. >> > >> > When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking for >> > portability, or would you prefer something like a >> > Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very small >> > body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale >> > length, same as a strat or tele. >> > >> > -t- >> > >> > >> > >> > 'Rantai' CD: >> > 'Mesh' CD: >> > Chain Tape Collective: >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 06:14:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140C53BEDB; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c9701c6da20$954789e0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:14:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0C94_01C6D9EE.4A0CBB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:14:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0C94_01C6D9EE.4A0CBB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll check out that Mini Les Paul...that seems intriguing. Thanks, Bill. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Mini Electric Guitars asre you talking shorter scale length? If so,Fender makes both a = cheap squier and a mexican made standard mini strat, that I believe have = a universal route. slap a humbucker in the neck of one of those and you = are good to go. Both are 3/4 sized. I do believe epiphone makes a mini les paul as well. either choice = would be pretty decent, I have a mini strat that was a kit that stewart = macdonald used to offer. I've tried several different pickups in it and = now it just has one neck pickup. I usually tune it to B above E as the = scale is like the distance to the 7th fret on a standard fender scale = length. Right now its tuned to an open Hi C tuning for bottle neck slide = playing. I'd E-bay mini guitar and see what comes up... Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mini Electric Guitars I just bought a 6-string mandolin (tuned exactly like a guitar but = an octave up) to diversity my experimental music ventures, but I am also = looking for a decent mini electric guitar. Can anyone make a = recommendation? I don't want to spend too much, around $300 or so, new = or used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models decent? Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0C94_01C6D9EE.4A0CBB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll check out that Mini Les = Paul...that seems=20 intriguing. Thanks, Bill.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 16, = 2006 10:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: Mini Electric = Guitars

 asre you talking shorter scale length?  If = so,Fender makes=20 both a cheap squier and a mexican made standard mini strat, that I = believe=20 have a universal route. slap a humbucker in the neck of one of those = and you=20 are good to go. Both are 3/4 sized.
 I do believe epiphone makes a mini les paul as well. = either=20 choice would be pretty decent,  I have a mini strat that was = a kit=20 that stewart macdonald used to offer. I've tried several different = pickups in=20 it and now  it just has one neck pickup. I usually tune it to B = above E=20 as the scale is like the distance to the 7th fret on a standard fender = scale=20 length. Right now its tuned to an open Hi C tuning for bottle neck = slide=20 playing. I'd E-bay mini guitar  and see what comes=20 up...
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 16, = 2006=20 7:43 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Mini Electric Guitars

I just bought a 6-string mandolin = (tuned=20 exactly like a guitar but an octave up) to diversity my experimental = music=20 ventures, but I am also looking for a decent mini electric guitar. = Can=20 anyone make a recommendation? I don't want to spend too much, around = $300 or=20 so, new or used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models=20 decent?
 
Kris
 
 
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Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_0C94_01C6D9EE.4A0CBB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 09:00:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872E13BECA; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i am new and i would love to see your online videos of loop pe rformances Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:59:10 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Welcome, Margaret! Check my site for a video excerpt of my piano-looping performance. Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 09:12:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FB603BEF6; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hAWt8kTIuMqS1l1T83MdiqaJKe3vwXpAoy58YH7HC+0F8nDp6LTPsvCz6Cudi00bdVrLLLXQqZ6U4WRXAErrwezLRdDpT5+jUVUUqU6UlJsrzUpb9m+T+n2/zZk2TIXiHJ/Mgfzc4mL/5dQNrtKT3qs9O0fUDxSD+mwo1sAwAVQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060917014126.65074.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060917014126.65074.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3513B4EB-5669-4463-AD8E-2D8396F2D6B4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bag for that anoying carrying Fcb1010 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:12:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2006, at 03.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > too expensive bro why not get this sucka: > http://www.thomann.de/de/rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag.htm I have one of those. The zippers crapped out after thee weeks. I have now been using it for almost five years without being able to close the zippers. Instead I have some huge industry rubber bands that I lock around "the belly" of the thing. But for long distance travels I pack the FCB in a flight case where everything else goes as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 09:19:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F213BEFC; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U9I5RwocdSteEJ3wxrmrspOLd+bgMuAMu0ZEQeNP/MuXzqSOtJpMNbGLBL9+j6jdWsCMD+iiVbC03x0bAPOc8GL6dYnYgExIbfetMYjRqdY5JK0B0jyYabQrj7TuoNETZnBgZB5yaaW1HpRUFzIHuSZSbdZCXrScM1dugnp+E+I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060917034805.1883.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060917034805.1883.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Something like Augustus Loop for XP? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:19:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:19:57 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2006, at 05.48, mark sottilaro wrote: > Is there anything like > Augustus loop for XP? Do you have Ableton Live? The built-in PingPong Delay effect has a Freeze Loop function, just like Agustus Loop. Very CPU efficient. You should be able to set up at least eight tracks with PingPong Delay loopers. Great rig for tape delay style feedback looping (no going Next Loop, Substituting etc) ...wow - "A PingPong Looper is something to bee...." Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 10:23:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2826B3BEE7; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X+Q0t650+pjO9bDzH9zm8G11pXWWe1f41AkB0lOhrgXKnEmbehu1ufoyeowoD1RAbRWQRI7XOOeFcBQdoZhSprL1xzlJhpjoWfNpcNd+gVBHGNtWrH8vbxir6P1XrrNI3T9KuYDLRPcPT2vRMVQ3L6MpTpQvs/9kw7mJnFZ7C9Q= ; Message-ID: <20060917102309.46415.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Bag for that anoying carrying Fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3513B4EB-5669-4463-AD8E-2D8396F2D6B4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6bI6SB.A.x4D.PISDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Per thanx for telling me i just ordered it but they are luckily out of stock so that i can cancel my order! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 sep 2006, at 03.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > too expensive bro why not get this sucka: > > > http://www.thomann.de/de/rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag.htm > > > I have one of those. The zippers crapped out after > thee weeks. I have > now been using it for almost five years without > being able to close > the zippers. Instead I have some huge industry > rubber bands that I > lock around "the belly" of the thing. But for long > distance travels I > pack the FCB in a flight case where everything else > goes as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 10:43:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AD973BEE1; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Dave wrote: "So, if you like to loop the sound of glass breaking while ball bearings are tossed in a blender, lets hear from you!" Well, I don't know if I qualify or not, but on my live solo looping CD, Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic, there is a piece scored for six found/scale Bar Pint Glasses played by clitoral bullet vibrators and manipulated as a chromatic instrument over three octaves with a Yamaha WX5 Wind synthesizer; a piece scored for a Glass dragged down a rusty piece of rebar, pieces that used brass candy dishes and spitoons, 7 different pieces that only used the title material as a source for sound, a piece scored only for blue glass and a piece for plastic toy saxaphone (really a cheap harmonica/melodica combination), a soup pot and the entire audience of an open mic performance; a piece scored for battery powered personal fans and green flexible tubing and a piece in 7/8 scored only for dayglo green plexiglass tubing. It ain't Christina Aguilera but I don't know if you consider that weird or not. Let me know............................lol. Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 11:18:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05EA13BEE9; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N65/MrIQYtpUBwux1+xfN7McnTB6AHpDDedAVg9Tqadd36XlLjVijoCFcoI5f0s+B+0B9HSpYwY2Mqgp+BpDhM4bPv8R5MH0a1UksGvLzil7zIC1o/rTVTmX7e3u/gf9ZEuVc5iMDH8hiM+gsJkMcSsDPIuzzB/YjQFFx0vCLvw= ; Message-ID: <20060917111812.65917.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 04:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: RE: Live Looping in Portland (Oregon) Saturday, Sept. 16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c6d879$9d1cca70$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Try old movie theaters as well!I am working with a friend who took over an old cinema and because of the latest hollywood only movie theater chains his little one is struggling,so he decided to try a different approach by having international cult films and have unusual shows like live looping.Movie theaters are by the way awesome venues for light and sound! Luis --- hazard factor wrote: > Lots of art galleries, museums, those McMinemen's > artsy hotel places though- > saw a few stages that looked possible for something > next time I go up there. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 > CDs, 50 hours, no copies > > > > > > Seems it's tough to find a gig there as a non-rock > > > out-of-towner, and the place I'm at this time is a > start-up > > (when I played there last month it was the first > weekend they > > were open), so I don't know what's going to > happen. Once I > > drove from Seattle to Portland and played for > exactly one > > person, who was too embarassed to stay in the same > room with me. > > > > TH > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 11:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611FF3BEEE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dDyymV6X7wefziNObVbsW8e+mLKNMTxl4GqfOgRDxwCcrjQcML6z7BrZMMWdkaIweeYJy+oHrYwN1oQkh1lPyzRxENS+wYHTooCtJHATstHle3IBc94D8i4QKNNfyDAKQywVDmr1OwPstCJrS3crHGDM60ayTWMyEEdV73+gkBg= In-Reply-To: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:26:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:26:39 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2006, at 12.43, loop.pool wrote: > Dave wrote: > "So, if you like to loop the sound of glass breaking while ball > bearings > are tossed in a blender, lets hear from you!" > > > Well, I don't know if I qualify or not, but on my live solo > looping CD, Translucent Dayglo > Lime Green Plastic, there is a piece scored for six found/scale > Bar Pint Glasses played > by clitoral bullet vibrators and manipulated as a chromatic > instrument over three octaves > with a Yamaha WX5 Wind synthesizer; a piece scored for a Glass > dragged down a rusty piece > of rebar, pieces that used brass candy dishes and spitoons, 7 > different pieces that > only used the title material as a source for sound, a piece scored > only for blue glass > and a piece for plastic toy saxaphone (really a cheap harmonica/ > melodica combination), > a soup pot and the entire audience of an open mic performance; a > piece scored > for battery powered personal fans and green flexible tubing and a > piece in 7/8 scored > only for dayglo green plexiglass tubing. > > It ain't Christina Aguilera but I don't know if you consider that > weird or not. I'm a lucky owner of that green disc and like it a lot! Although most weird objects used to make music tend to sound a lot like "Rick Walker" to my ears - which is nothing but excellent... I mean who needs just another dildo tune? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 14:27:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4423BECF; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:27:10 +0000 Message-Id: <091720061427.1387.450D5B3E0003DCC90000056B2206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) I have had a Steinberger GU7R (Guitar-shaped) for about 4 years and it's been great. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > I just bought a 6-string mandolin (tuned exactly like a guitar but an octave up) > to diversity my experimental music ventures, but I am also looking for a decent > mini electric guitar. Can anyone make a recommendation? I don't want to spend > too much, around $300 or so, new or used. Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro > models decent? > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 14:29:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 452833BEDA; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jaDdWbjSX1E/6aGKy34YpnyFmBKdiLgFoA/hLVlCtyyGAUot2DWISCWMC8lB554dVo61p8aSEpEbRSvMoz42+yy139pQLBUJTtuE6CNNZY0a8NVmCelhJ+ut17i6O5KojAtUhDJKiUCXV6rQQrZ5CpNED6GUN7mSUySas0CV8XI= Message-ID: <913728d60609170729o53ef2583g8918ce744881c018@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:29:48 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars In-Reply-To: <20060917054953.58840.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60609162107p6453de12yf608a2382a6bcfc0@mail.gmail.com> <20060917054953.58840.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:29:50 +0000 (UTC) thats so cool (maybe not for you though ;) ) I have bought several pieces of gear from rondo, and i have had some of the best CS experiences with Kurt. I love that place :) Charlie On 9/17/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > WOW. Rondo Music of Union NJ. My first music store > gig. Man I loved working there... except for the fact > that the owner totally lied about my compensation and > it wasn't until a month after working I realized I > still hadn't gotten my commission check. Oh woops! > He forgot to tell me that there was a test to take > before he'd let sales people get paid a commission. > Only one person had ever passed that test. I took it > and it was packed with really bizarre esoteric > questions about specific models (no longer even in > production) and what they're bridges were made of and > so forth. > > I did learn to operate almost any piece of gear sans > manual there though. > > Mark > > --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > would you take a short scale guitar? > > > > http://www.rondomusic.net/gg1stdshort.html > > > > Charlie > > > > On 9/16/06, Krispen Hartung > > wrote: > > > Either Mini or standard guitar that is squished > > down in size would work. > > > The problem with most of the mini guitars is that > > they have only bridge > > > pickups, which I hardly every use. I need a neck > > pickup, dual humbucker. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > > > > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung > > wrote: > > > >> Are the Steinberger Spirit GT-Pro models > > decent? > > > > > > > > Compared to other guitars in their price range, > > yes. I > > > > actually like the R-trem a lot. > > > > > > > > Compared to a "real" Steinberger or Klein, > > though, > > > > you'd see a big difference in quality. > > > > > > > > When you say "mini guitar", are you just looking > > for > > > > portability, or would you prefer something like > > a > > > > Chiquita? The Spirit, although having a very > > small > > > > body and no headstock, has a full 25 1/2" scale > > > > length, same as a strat or tele. > > > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > > > > 'Mesh' CD: > > > > Chain Tape Collective: > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 14:50:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F773BEDF; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:50:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D03_01C6DA36.48B44260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:50:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D03_01C6DA36.48B44260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "When The Weird Gets Going, The Weird Turn Pro" - I'll let that one job = your memory. :) This could be a fun thread. If you mean "weird" as in weird people who = are looping, then wer'e all weird, sick twisted f*cks in my opinion, = otherwise we wouldn't be doing this. But that aside, if we're talking = "weird" as in Dr. Demento weird, then there's not a lot out there that = I've experienced. Certainly many of us have done looping pieces that are = weird like like this (and Rick W. easily falls into this category)....I = think I've done my fair of off-centered looping material, but it = probably just falls into extreme avant-garde rather than weird. "Weird" = is a tough one...it's like it is it's ownn category of art with unique = criteria and characteristics. I do like Dr. Demento "weird", however. I = wish I still had some of those radio episodes on tape or CD...I remember = the "Worm Song" as a kid, listening to it with my hand-held radio = underneath my pillow late at night...that show probably helped mold my = personality. :) Man, I loved that program!!! But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd have to say it mostly = falls into experimental and avant-garde to me...when it's weird, it = generate a distrinct feeling for me....but that is probably just my own = idiosyncrasity. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0D03_01C6DA36.48B44260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"When The Weird Gets Going, The Weird = Turn Pro" -=20 I'll let that one job your memory. :)
 
This could be a fun thread. If you mean = "weird" as=20 in weird people who are looping, then wer'e all weird, sick twisted = f*cks in my=20 opinion, otherwise we wouldn't be doing this. But that aside, if we're = talking=20 "weird" as in Dr. Demento weird, then there's not a lot out there that = I've=20 experienced. Certainly many of us have done looping = pieces that=20 are weird like like this (and Rick W. easily falls into this = category)....I=20 think I've done my fair of off-centered looping material, but it = probably just=20 falls into extreme avant-garde rather than weird.  "Weird" is a = tough=20 one...it's like it is it's ownn category of art with unique criteria and = characteristics.  I do like Dr. Demento "weird", however. I wish I = still=20 had some of those radio episodes on tape or CD...I remember the "Worm = Song" as a=20 kid, listening to it with my hand-held radio underneath my pillow late = at=20 night...that show probably helped mold my personality. :)  Man, I = loved=20 that program!!!
 
But weird....really wierd solo = looping....I'd have=20 to say it mostly falls into experimental and avant-garde to me...when = it's=20 weird, it generate a distrinct feeling for me....but that is probably = just my=20 own idiosyncrasity.
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0D03_01C6DA36.48B44260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 15:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218573BED8; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jwc3UIkqGnmfTv28+ox0t+dXXZufheJNeFVJBs/wBuC6CmVpqbOpPH0PcS7KMCKsd3l/H7KmPIsDNsTDVVQqeDUq6TCz7dvCtGoSWffVwaT5/d+1UUM2PKjORv3BXWb68D0MkfXKtocOE3/AdvTNqeZNwNpudyhHJzir3+mDoes= ; Message-ID: <20060917150952.5255.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0c8c01c6da20$76e22aa0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:09:54 +0000 (UTC) I think you'd be better off with the Spirit GT-Pro or the slightly earlier Hohner equivalent (same Steinberger-licensed hardware) than with something with a radically different, nearly impossible-to-intonate scale length. The Spirit is about 30", and in its gig bag still less than 33", although for travelling you'll get funny looks because it's somewhat weaponish-looking. But then again, burly men in dark suits with light ties carrying violin cases used to get that reaction, and times change. In any case, stay far, far away from the Epiphone 1/2 scale series which are really nothing more than childrens' toys. I bought a "Wee Vee" to cannibalize for parts (needed a half-scale neck for a full-scale electric cello project), and before dissembling it, I played it for a little while and could safely say that it would NEVER play in tune. Besides, they've only got one pickup and I, like you, am very fond of my neck pickup. The Spirit, on the other hand, while still the target of scorn from owners of composite Steinys, intonates accurately, stays in tune extremely well, meets your size requirements and is a bargain. -t- --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Looks cool, but 38 inches is too long. I'm looking > for the 1/2 guitar > size...25-30 inches. 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 15:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A67F3BED6; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Tla5hGsUMGtyIQuBaU7CSayJwsaNN/oTlDyxQmCvEr8D/DMFHq8Ku6p/PTaCjFU3O/SLcklv2H6mZ/amgMQHKAofDUvQ7hSL5XWAt7y0uveaJtEHvrZmz2YkeMNhvGoHctRJjQQjab3YLQFMqvEETAG2KqeI46Fx/I0pMdrqPbE= In-Reply-To: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:15:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Is this weird? ;-)) http://www.looproom.com/audio/impros_aug15_2006/pboyrec12.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From aw-confirm@ebay.com Sun Sep 17 15:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 958 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:17:30 UTC Received: from ns.web-form.jp (ns.web-form.jp [210.166.209.179]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC1A3BED6 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ns.web-form.jp (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id k8HF1RUx007570 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:01:28 +0900 Message-Id: <200609171501.k8HF1RUx007570@ns.web-form.jp> Received: from User (static-213.50.106.3.addr.tdcsong.se [213.50.106.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns.web-form.jp (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8HF0vtw007303; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:00:59 +0900 Reply-To: From: "eBay" Subject: Customer Support Notification Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:05:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:;



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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 15:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61F353BEDD; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450D67CE.1040603@biink.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:20:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars References: <20060917054953.58840.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060917054953.58840.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:20:37 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: >WOW. Rondo Music of Union NJ. My first music store >gig. > That's not too far from here. Don't think I ever bought anything there. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 15:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B75593BEEA; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:22:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone used the Fernandez Nomad? The deluxe model has builtin amp modeling and a speaker. One stop busking! :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 15:51:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4403BEDD; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,177,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="880427746:sNHT29190490" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:51:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Greetings earthlings, I have this disk too and really like it. And furthermore . . . I was cruising around town the other day and slapped Ricks Walker's other CD "Faux Vioix" into the ol' slot in the dashboard and got impressed all over again. I've only recently gotten a vehicle that had a decent stereo in it for the first time in many years. Rick's all-vocal CD really takes off on a good system. I heard detail I'd not known was there before. I dug it before. Now I dig it even more. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 17, 2006, at 3:43 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Dave wrote: > "So, if you like to loop the sound of glass breaking while ball > bearings > are tossed in a blender, lets hear from you!" > > > Well, I don't know if I qualify or not, but on my live solo looping > CD, Translucent Dayglo > Lime Green Plastic, there is a piece scored for six found/scale Bar > Pint Glasses played > by clitoral bullet vibrators and manipulated as a chromatic instrument > over three octaves > with a Yamaha WX5 Wind synthesizer; a piece scored for a Glass > dragged down a rusty piece > of rebar, pieces that used brass candy dishes and spitoons, 7 > different pieces that > only used the title material as a source for sound, a piece scored > only for blue glass > and a piece for plastic toy saxaphone (really a cheap > harmonica/melodica combination), > a soup pot and the entire audience of an open mic performance; a piece > scored > for battery powered personal fans and green flexible tubing and a > piece in 7/8 scored > only for dayglo green plexiglass tubing. > > It ain't Christina Aguilera but I don't know if you consider that > weird or not. > > Let me know............................lol. > > Rick Walker > aka |()()p.p()()| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 16:12:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4493BEDC; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAM4ODUWBT4ocAQECBwIMBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060917171234.01b75418@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:12:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... In-Reply-To: <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) At 16:15 17/09/2006, you wrote: >Is this weird? ;-)) >http://www.looproom.com/audio/impros_aug15_2006/pboyrec12.mp3 no :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 16:21:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A533BED8; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32c.53e1a100.323ed01c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:21:48 EDT Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32c.53e1a100.323ed01c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_32c.53e1a100.323ed01c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/17/06 7:26:50 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > Although most=A0 > weird objects used to make music tend to sound a lot like "Rick=A0 > Walker" to my ears >=20 go give michael peter's tune "BALOON" a spin.....it's at ct-collective on th= e=20 "OBJECT/VIDEOGAME" Project.....along with that are tunes by mr. walker and=20 other more normal folk using weird objects.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_32c.53e1a100.323ed01c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/17/06 7:26:50 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


    Although most=A0
    weird objects used to make music tend to sound a lot like "Rick=A0
    Walker" to my ears


    go give michael peter's tune "BALOON" a spin.....it's at ct-collective on= the "OBJECT/VIDEOGAME" Project.....along with that are tunes by mr. walker=20= and other more normal folk using weird objects.....:)m



    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
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     --part1_32c.53e1a100.323ed01c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 16:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA393BEDE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d1101c6da7a$0839f880$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060917150952.5255.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:55:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. I think I may be sold on the Spirit. What is the main difference in quality and playability between the Spririt and Hohner? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars >I think you'd be better off with the Spirit GT-Pro or > the slightly earlier Hohner equivalent (same > Steinberger-licensed hardware) than with something > with a radically different, nearly > impossible-to-intonate scale length. The Spirit is > about 30", and in its gig bag still less than 33", > although for travelling you'll get funny looks because > it's somewhat weaponish-looking. But then again, burly > men in dark suits with light ties carrying violin > cases used to get that reaction, and times change. > > In any case, stay far, far away from the Epiphone 1/2 > scale series which are really nothing more than > childrens' toys. I bought a "Wee Vee" to cannibalize > for parts (needed a half-scale neck for a full-scale > electric cello project), and before dissembling it, I > played it for a little while and could safely say that > it would NEVER play in tune. Besides, they've only got > one pickup and I, like you, am very fond of my neck > pickup. > > The Spirit, on the other hand, while still the target > of scorn from owners of composite Steinys, intonates > accurately, stays in tune extremely well, meets your > size requirements and is a bargain. > > -t- > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Looks cool, but 38 inches is too long. I'm looking >> for the 1/2 guitar >> size...25-30 inches. > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 16:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75A13BED9; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d3401c6da7a$89c12680$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:58:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) well, not for me, but could be for others. For me, weird almost has to borderline on making me uncomfortable, or the song has to make me wonder whether the artists is psychologically de-ranaged...at least long enough to record the song, but return to "normal" operating life afterwards. :) This is why I liked the Dr. Demento show so much...much of the material was just completely insane. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... > Is this weird? ;-)) > http://www.looproom.com/audio/impros_aug15_2006/pboyrec12.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 17:00:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6643BEF5; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JMNnSRKN1sA2fQ7V8MBxRaaDsFN6nDVETSDifSbAxf7K79vAgNmGfx0G+hbxp7tq8gkQo6OMS/vxGGWFoC1Y6t5Kvon8Ii4UQJDkRY3mddZQ0J9D3+r5VWTWkLAIs0RU66ICybumkTGeWZDlzbuUL2pTorafbqtRkGXe8aT6vV4= In-Reply-To: References: <0c4e01c6da02$fe0bbe10$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <46096A32-8C02-4312-9878-81E9D17E87B3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Mini Electric Guitars Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:00:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Has anyone used the Fernandez Nomad? I have one of the first run of that model. I like it a lot, the neck is superbly playable. I like its unusual shape. But the fx processor makes it a bit heavy for the guitar's size and when using the wall-wart it heats up quite a bit so that after awhile I have to put something as a buffer between the guitar and my body. The speaker has a tendency to distort too easily when overdrive or some amp styles are used but the patches can all be tweaked and massaged to alleviate that but I mainly run overdrive stuff thru another amplifier. I have never tried busking with it but it is a fun guitar. The more recent version apparently has mainly just added drum machine patches. Pignose also makes a guitar with built-in speaker/amp. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 17:38:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CE013BEF4; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Bag for that anoying carrying Fcb1010 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6DA5E.91283470" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3513B4EB-5669-4463-AD8E-2D8396F2D6B4@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:38:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6DA5E.91283470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought the bag for the pedalboard of Fender's Cyber-twin. It fits perfect. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CyberFCBag dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor ============ -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Bag for that anoying carrying Fcb1010 On 17 sep 2006, at 03.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > too expensive bro why not get this sucka: > http://www.thomann.de/de/rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6DA5E.91283470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6DA5E.91283470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 18:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8BD63BEF3; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BYV96cU1DYauSwMckhfqvpmndNclBL4uCNI3VZBOZIFNy86jRFp6qSKdvE6jycBMwHI1VEmBbmfFr9EMewJddm/TwEvioH+fPPV8siiY5F7SzaidyTITd0jHlKZ0Ozp5HSVHrLE+7ImfcwtYvTYOKqu7HPXjlaJCfTo9xxusc0s= Message-ID: <588ce11d0609171122w39738357j29bd0b4c74671b36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:22:22 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars In-Reply-To: <0d1101c6da7a$0839f880$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060917150952.5255.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d1101c6da7a$0839f880$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Mini Electric Guitars > > > >I think you'd be better off with the Spirit GT-Pro or > > the slightly earlier Hohner equivalent On 9/17/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks. I think I may be sold on the Spirit. What is the main difference in > quality and playability between the Spririt and Hohner? > > Kris > Check the reviews at harmony-central.com, the reviews of the Hohner are much more positive: http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Steinberger/Spirit+GT+Pro/10/1 http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Hohner/G3T/10/1 I haven't played the Spirit, but I played a used Hohner G3T and was very impressed. Should have bought it. . . -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 18:37:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440313BEF1; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Rb3g2wDOdzWHFQ5rnMz6WK1BDLtmJ0K9f1bkMSAVkZuu30iJjEO1K0p+3GEgpuiCWyZ8kz3DVK0X0vPqgkPSqxLZjWIa8OIPT13mdNzcept+XN7h9IMeHGGb7jhq80Wx5zGwYt3je4oNHWQ/Mzz7ZkFfniT2yBrBQe8Bxk2bp9Q= In-Reply-To: <0d3401c6da7a$89c12680$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> <0d3401c6da7a$89c12680$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C68FF47-A07E-4617-81F7-48CD29E503BC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:37:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:37:50 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2006, at 18.58, Krispen Hartung wrote: > For me, weird almost has to borderline on making me uncomfortable, > or the song has to make me wonder whether the artists is > psychologically de-ranaged...at least long enough to record the > song, but return to "normal" operating life afterwards. :) What a funny and yet perfectly accurate definition of "weird"! Thanks. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 19:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BAA03BEEE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060917165848.221833BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060917165848.221833BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D6B6593-B35D-4B5B-95A6-ED0DC612B580@kenaxis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: really "weird" looper and how to keep loops interesting. Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:25:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:25:25 +0000 (UTC) My music has been called weird on more than one occasion. You can also hear my approach to keep loops interesting - always keep them changing. I do this by setting up pitch changes over time or random loop locations changing over time or other combination of processes on the loops. If you are interested in hearing some of my stuff check out my podacast at: http://lotfive.ca/Podcast/Podcast.html and if you want to get into an easy way of keeping those loops morphing check out my software at: http://www.kenaxis.com/ Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 21:29:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69183BEF7; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d6701c6daa0$5a7000b0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> <0d3401c6da7a$89c12680$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5C68FF47-A07E-4617-81F7-48CD29E503BC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:29:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Now, if I could just spell "deranged"... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > On 17 sep 2006, at 18.58, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> For me, weird almost has to borderline on making me uncomfortable, >> or the song has to make me wonder whether the artists is >> psychologically de-ranaged...at least long enough to record the >> song, but return to "normal" operating life afterwards. :) > > > What a funny and yet perfectly accurate definition of "weird"! Thanks. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 21:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F051D3BF01; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <6f656ee6147ceb78c08491fca6a615f5@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:54:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Can we change the term from the egregious "weird" to the more unbiased=20= "statistically unusual?" :-) I hate that term weird. It carries a lot of baggage...... On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd have to say it mostly=20 > falls into experimental and avant-garde to me...when it's weird, it=20 > generate a distrinct feeling for me....but that is probably just my=20 > own idiosyncrasity. > Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:22:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A383BEF1; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:22:36 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbaaJizrFwQpYmQSR+RE5ioXYbC6gAPtk4w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:22:44 +0000 (UTC) For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or 'experimental', or 'difficult listening' if you had never been exposed to such a thing. So, if one does this, where do you play, and how often? Do you have to 'tame' it down for some gigs? And did any one ever get fired from a gig because it was too odd? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd have to say it > mostly falls into experimental and avant-garde to me...when > it's weird, it generate a distrinct feeling for me....but > that is probably just my own idiosyncrasity. > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DC2F3BEE6; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qzaAmCIt8iG8Mp172j/QS/B1+f+A/3lfEkalG40671dwDyF7xLBfJLnJJ94XjRMhpS5m3U4gSqIAUWEpRm98UEuy+gb4jBNSZ6YSoDVR0UzpoO86splhYijW8cpTbUkno7CJ0iqHJmbQbS/6YBYcGWBQmqp3RcqNEbEAYaB9K6o= ; Message-ID: <20060917222420.51935.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0609171122w39738357j29bd0b4c74671b36@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Folks, I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs proccesor with hi quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance audio pickup acoustic guitar system.As u know the options are many and i dont have the possiblity to try things in the small town where i live. Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:31:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECF4F3BEF9; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d7f01c6daa8$f2771850$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060917222420.51935.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:30:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <5D3FQC.A.8xE.kycDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Boss VF1...a beautiful little red box.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > Folks, > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs proccesor > with hi quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance > audio pickup acoustic guitar system.As u know the > options are many and i dont have the possiblity to try > things in the small town where i live. > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > Luis > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:31:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CDE83BEFA; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:42:19 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Message-id: <004b01c6daaa$89247080$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003301c6da0e$f2792220$0202fea9@mincer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:31:59 +0000 (UTC) I'm always afraid that the weirder stuff I've done is not "right" in some way. The one time I took the plunge to release some of it, I received the highest praise. Go figure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... > You know, they must be out there, but its really not my listening bag....I > would be interested to know too, to give em a try. So, if you like to loop > the sound of glass breaking while ball bearings are tossed in a blender, > lets hear from you! > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives > ________________________________ > > i think it was dave E who said in his post: > > "What about the really *weird* solo loopers? " > > could you list a few of the really "weird" solo loopers, > i could use some new listenings..... > thanks, > s--- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:32:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3404F3BEF4; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013101c6daa9$325a8880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:32:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Really cool track Per...............I like your vocalizing a lot. the bizzzz-nnnnn thing is cool. thanks for sharing. also, thanks everyone for the really nice mentions of my CDs I woke up this morning to read them and it made my whole day. It's a day off, I'm off to the Rhythm Fusion 50% sale and it's that glorious time in Northern California in mid to late September where the weather is just amazing..............hottest time of the year which isn't very hot and all's right with the world. Thanks a lot for the acknowledgement. I miss you all, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:38:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BDB43BF08; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:48:38 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: CD Production To: Message-id: <005601c6daab$6ab5cd00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C6DA89.E33F77C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <033401c6d67c$634c6e80$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:38:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C6DA89.E33F77C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's been said before, but I'll underline the point I guess. No point = in making less than 500, given what they cost of 100 or 200 production = runs are. And the price of 1000 pressed CD's is very almost the same = for 500. =20 It's very true that at least 1/3 of what you make will be given away - = radio, getting gigs, etc... it all adds up fast. =20 Good luck let us know when you have them made! ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C6DA89.E33F77C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It's been said before, = but I'll=20 underline the point I guess.  No point in making less than 500, = given what=20 they cost of 100 or 200 production runs are.  And the price of 1000 = pressed=20 CD's is very almost the same for 500.   
     
    It's very true that at = least 1/3 of=20 what you make will be given away - radio, getting gigs, etc... it all = adds up=20 fast. 
     
    Good luck let us know = when you have=20 them made!
    ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C6DA89.E33F77C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78F623BEF4; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:38:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3d6r0C.A.vfF.K6cDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:39:06 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 17, 2006, at 3:22 PM, hazard factor wrote: > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or 'experimental', or 'difficult > listening' if you had never been exposed to such a thing. I prefer all those to "weird"....the word weird says more about the=20 listener than the performer....the word I prefer to all of them is=20 "creative music"....music that is creative in that it is charting or=20 navigating lesser known territories. Not weird means mainstream to me. And as George Carlin said, "The reason the mainstream is thought of as=20= a stream is because it=92s so shallow." > So, if one does > this, where do you play, and how often? I play all the time, all over....coffee houses, colleges, art=20 galleries, clubs....parking garages. :-) > Do you have to 'tame' it down for > some gigs? No. > And did any one ever get fired from a gig because it was too odd? Yes. And one guy was fired for hiring me once...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 22:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36963BF10; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ef87dc46ca7a165d967c0216d3b3f00@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:39:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:00 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 17, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > the word I prefer to all of them is "creative music". Or maybe the "words"....oops..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 23:14:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6643BEF1; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:24:44 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: , Message-id: <007b01c6dab0$75822300$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Mick Jagger is 1972 said, "The real experiment is what you want to say. You can express a very freaky or experimental idea in a strict framework, or you can express a very trite, boring, oft-repeated idea within an experimental framework." I agree and struggle with this. I'm always afraid that the weirder stuff I've done is not "right" in some way; or worse, that it's trite and been done. Then the one time I took the plunge to release some of it, I received the highest praise. Go figure. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 23:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501E43BEF7; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F+BqsfhvN4HFKU8idUmLi1i5xEzPbnkumyyPKKKULmMBAQCjck0GB255G15s18qxNdPM1o/OxsS9NEiRWH3yldwMxyQsXws1oHjDaMstXNsYB1IhWWKj+Daw6jDWvmm7eJZs0IHNco1eLDfHEo2QkozvlolFNGCXLOYQTyASXUk= ; Message-ID: <20060917232510.95416.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: i am new and i would love to see your online videos of loop performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060917012241.6193.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1332164044-1158535510=:94629" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:25:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1332164044-1158535510=:94629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I will convey them to you as soon as possible thanks for your interest! margaret noble wrote: hello loopers delight list, my name is margaret noble. i just stumbled onto you all because i bought a gibson echoplex. i am an mfa student in sound at the chicago art institute and i am focusing on performance based sound/music composition via looping with acoustic instruments and synths. i would be delighted to see any quicktime videos you all might have of your looping performances. if you get a chance please send me a link so i can check your work out. THANKS! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1332164044-1158535510=:94629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I will convey them to you as soon as possible thanks for your interest!

    margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    hello loopers delight list,

    my name is margaret noble. i just stumbled onto you
    all because i bought a gibson echoplex. i am an mfa
    student in sound at the chicago art institute and i am
    focusing on performance based sound/music composition
    via looping with acoustic instruments and synths.

    i would be delighted to see any quicktime videos you
    all might have of your looping performances. if you
    get a chance please send me a link so i can check your
    work out. THANKS!

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    Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1332164044-1158535510=:94629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 23:25:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67D2F3BF07; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450DD956.8060408@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:25:10 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:25:35 +0000 (UTC) > And as George Carlin said, "The reason the mainstream is thought of as > a stream is because it’s so shallow." > I think it was Utah Phillips who relays the following bit.... After embarrassing his daughter by some 'odd' behavior or another, shes gives him a look and says "Why can't you be normal?" to which her grandmother then smacks her and says "He is normal, the word you're looking for is average". Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 23:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0E63BEFE; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EGB3DWLdN5iGDVC2sd9/4Umhhhfz1RmisOCmsUBbvflbRZMBE5VDUpxl1gtXkHE7MRzQproJI708mszyG768Nb8Bvrqy2f4OZacuXtZXItRvQf3lt8AwJr9xi2PH35mM9onqOMFbVbzqtXh0AvYzkWZzAszdjJVBzJUtOMxOBGs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:35:27 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... In-Reply-To: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:35:29 +0000 (UTC) On 9/17/06, hazard factor wrote: > Do you have to 'tame' it down for > some gigs? Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, tailoring the performance to the venue, event and audience happens all the time. >And did any one ever get fired from a gig because it was too odd? > > Plenty of times. In the same way that I wouldn't get gigs because "Your music isn't our thing". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 00:52:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533103BEFF; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:52:12 -0400 Message-ID: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbaqhUaVBe+X802Q/KNRpiAFg375QAEQDYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:52:18 +0000 (UTC) I think it probably does too- which is why I was using a term an average music listener might use rather than what we would use to identify it. Besides, the listener is who we are hired to perform for in many instances. I don't really understand the phrase 'creative music' though, since there is a lot of creativity in developing the perfect pop or jazz song too, just not in the same way. I think for 'average music listeners' or 'unsuspecting subjects', they 'expect' to hear something they can identify with (for better or worse) when they walk into a venue that isn't specifically for music (like a coffeehouse or gallery). I am sure everyone has had to tailor their performance for the venue, or at least play the really weird stuff for later in the night. And then, are we playing the weirder stuff because it is artistic expression (letting the caged animal out), or we just like to freak people out (that's fun sometimes too)? Some people don't loop live at all because they are sick of all of the expectation, sick of music conventions, and just like to play with their toys, not caring if people 'get it.' That's cool too. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives > > I prefer all those to "weird"....the word weird says more > about the listener than the performer....the word I prefer to > all of them is "creative music"....music that is creative in > that it is charting or navigating lesser known territories. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 01:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5223BEFA; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZmwwbyQ4VjyxIhSEMI9HylyCGKGT/drP+pxMDvbhuyQdOIsmELz28UbPDxNAEqprYd50GWEycJOUJmzofOCN3J82U6Y5p5ixtUyO8TtNW4OKgw/IIbtKlMaZz4Bi279Aj+2eo895YyjEUz76A3O79r5q+XHEpSMbD52ZWGA5Qfc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060917022644.71260.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060917022644.71260.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87DE950E-CBCB-4063-99D2-3BE1B7463447@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:30:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:30:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 16, 2006, at 7:26 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > sometimes i worry that my ear will indulge too much > into repetition which can be unpleasant for other > people... Yes, I run into that conundrum too. I worry especially when I am trying to edit. I find a good minimal loop repetition calming but also alluring in the sense that my mind is free to project a response on the *screen* of the loop whereas other listeners might simply feel inertness. BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 01:33:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F28CA3BF14; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <008301c6dac2$6c60c670$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbaqAYyF/hkWj8kRWeHE2FN2MRAwQAGlcqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060917222420.51935.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Would the Boss VF-1 work? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Folks, > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs proccesor with hi > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance audio pickup > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options are many and i > dont have the possiblity to try things in the small town where i live. > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 03:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD6A93BF10; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=clW80iFMqz+aw63WBnoKZx3Cl3tt66Umxtk5JXbTVMvfRA6DUSSm6ZFEYPcDTKtXCXO/h/rq2zE4jMgg4dyQoSUY5WqxJy6GK6GB1B9pY7EoBs8yQqb1MrneSj7A6Y2pUFUtb0qV9Z74P2AUUAoYei5TqSqXx21Fxdj+xvAX8vM= ; Message-ID: <20060918030639.71207.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0d7f01c6daa8$f2771850$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Don't cry little Krispen. You can always buy one again on ebay. ;) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Boss VF1...a beautiful little red box.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:24 PM > Subject: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for > acoustic guitar > > > > Folks, > > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs > proccesor > > with hi quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo > trance > > audio pickup acoustic guitar system.As u know the > > options are many and i dont have the possiblity to > try > > things in the small town where i live. > > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > > Luis > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 03:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C64473BF12; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OEThGSj/110SEHrFMrBGZYmx4tmMvFrUmj+ocxWDfyTr0ai3DYILQz9VDYSef6tAoqwTbKq4H4Dh4k4QDD8Y6cqJAO3l7NSWtUGHaMGoIZbuQzVN2FDB9Os4a4VzlDnI3/iYqsmzTM6RI2w2IBMwWCtZo7rluc3TBOc6AZ3ogQ4= ; Message-ID: <20060918031509.7695.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: LOOP-EAKA! (was Re: Something like Augustus Loop for XP?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, I'll check out those built in ping-pongers, but what I had in mind was a little different.... and some research led me right to it: http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm Go down to the ELOTTRONIX XL VST. It's... perfect. Worked like a charm and didn't cost me a dime. It's built in noise and saturation sound great to me too. Nice for making that loop get a bit broken in after a while. I downloaded all their other stuff too. Looks like fun times ahead. It's like I went to a music store where they said, "Oh just take it." Amazing. I've decided that in this next phase of my music I'm going to make it a point to credit all these nice folks and their amazing free and nearly free instruments. It's such an amazing time we live in. Reminds me of the late 70s early 80s in the US with synth manufacturers. People made unique instruments because it was what they dreamed of, and not because they thought they could capture a huge market share. Not saying that some mass produced stuff isn't brilliant. Korg IMO still puts out amazing gear. (can't wait for the KP-3!) Good times. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 03:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A663BF16; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009c01c6dad5$063abdc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:46:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:46:24 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer said: "I agree and struggle with this. I'm always afraid that the weirder stuff I've done is not "right" in some way; or worse, that it's trite and been done. Then the one time I took the plunge to release some of it, I received the highest praise. Go figure." I know what you mean, David....................the most 'out' record that I've ever released was my all experimental human and computer generated voice acapella record, "Faux Vox." My wife who is really into singer songwriters and indie rock thinks it's my most beautiful recording. I am proudest of it but it has sold about 2 dozen copies total. Go figure. But many of my favorite recordings by artists end up their least selling records. Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison Low and Heroes by Bowie come to mind immediately but there are many others. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 03:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6EA13BF1C; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11c401c6dad5$7e31f410$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060918030639.71207.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:49:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I still have another....sitting right next to my laptop! I put it under my pillow every night to help calm me to sleep. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > Don't cry little Krispen. You can always buy one > again on ebay. ;) > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Boss VF1...a beautiful little red box.... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L.A. Angulo" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:24 PM >> Subject: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for >> acoustic guitar >> >> >> > Folks, >> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs >> proccesor >> > with hi quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo >> trance >> > audio pickup acoustic guitar system.As u know the >> > options are many and i dont have the possiblity to >> try >> > things in the small town where i live. >> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic >> > Luis >> > >> > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 06:13:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90513BED3; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aW1MFtsDrBgEvUw2UFlPmfS7rzCvDASGAPIQe7JYN5TFqDN64lRA1P77fm5nUhgk5um+st5hQnyv40p2o6dpHs3rM9BypayUWX7pTfBfQDxgUzWM34InSzioFYFO0lfGmWGCGk/cZMTRBV7g3Q2wHAXyHjGBBUaoM6tpOMhOIXs= ; Message-ID: <20060918061044.88945.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: artists@hazardfactor.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008301c6dac2$6c60c670$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:51 +0000 (UTC) i read that the effects are just "ok" not top quality and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 but its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor with good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if them have one input only;-( Luis --- hazard factor wrote: > Would the Boss VF-1 work? > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > Folks, > > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs > proccesor with hi > > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance audio > pickup > > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options are > many and i > > dont have the possiblity to try things in the > small town where i live. > > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 06:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270943BED6; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAEHaDUWBToocAQECBwIMBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060918071202.01bd3fd8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:29:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... In-Reply-To: References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:34:46 +0000 (UTC) jeff says:- >I prefer all those to "weird"....the word weird says more about the >listener than the performer....the word I prefer to all of them is >"creative music"... true, "wierd" is very subjective, whether used admiringly or as a criticism, ...but I'm not sure that it's therefore uninteresting. The only music I've found "wierd" lately is certain types of ethnic music, where the performers presumably considered what they were doing to be very ordinary. Here in Norwich, the bell ringing is ordinary, but I imagine some might find it strange to hear such structured "systems music" music played on unwieldy instruments. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 07:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A034E3BED8; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> References: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:02:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:37 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 17, 2006, at 5:52 PM, hazard factor wrote: > I don't really understand the phrase 'creative music' though, since=20 > there is > a lot of creativity in developing the perfect pop or jazz song too,=20 > just not > in the same way. I interviewed Bay Area musician Dan Plonsey a while back for a=20 newsletter I did...I like what he says. "creative" is an attribute, not=20= just an adjective.... "I've used the creative music label mostly since I first heard it in=20 the 70s. Braxton used it, the Creative Music Center (where I studied=20 with Roscoe Mitchell, Leo Smith, Karl Berger et al) used it, Cadence=20 Magazine uses it -- it's a term which is recognized by many people. I=20 don't like improvised music or free jazz or even avant-garde (which I=20 used to use), because those are all limiting: I'm very much a composer,=20= I don't know if I play jazz, and I think of myself being more on the=20 edges than always in the advance. Besides, I do like the implication=20 that there is un-creative music, because there is! I would like to ally=20= myself personally and in genre with musicians for whom creativity and=20 imagination are the most important forces. For Sun Ra creativity was a=20= special necessity, to the point that his Creator and his God appear to=20= be different entities: the Creator creates, while God is more of an=20 abstraction. So I see the "creative" in creative music as an attribute=20= of the music itself: the music itself creates things, it doesn't just=20 sit there. It's not just an idea." best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 08:43:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62883BED5; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=k10xZsoxLkqbD0kZd134yC8Hao/zZUy8Y3F264j0QwVsn1aVG6ppp0dasYeZawpKFcZ7pEbDsgnRc8onLXDu1uXIu9fvVnnvP6bBNVCcaX6Cv+ZXxWyJmBpHCx5UJ3T1EInyOv1L3qtlB5yNEj+Ee+3YfBHR3qKi5R/TtSr+Pmw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> References: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:43:01 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:43:05 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2006, at 00.22, hazard factor wrote: > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or 'experimental', or 'difficult > listening' if you had never been exposed to such a thing. (not about "a solo looper" but a funny memory somewhat related to "weird") I was Exposed once... In 1980 I bought a double album of Eugene Chadbourne, bought it unheard after reading in Guitar Player about his experimentation with "prepared guitar". When listening for the first time I just couldn't believe my ears: Eighty minutes of noise sounding like someone was ripping off small pieces of paper, crunching them into small paper balls and throwing them to the floor. I think I listened through the double album three times on a row and I didn't find any sound that appeared to emanate from a guitar or even carry a melody or a rhythm. Musically I found it totally unusable, but I was amazed and inspired by the knowledge that this american weirdo had actually put that much energy into releasing this weird statement. I was also somewhat lifted by finding out that recordings could be created for communicating a statement as opposed to communicating music. But I never listened to the vinyl again ;-)) Then I really didn't think about it much until some years later when I read that Chadbourne and his japanese partner was almost beaten up by country music lovers at a concert. Then I thought that his "concept art" was way too aggressive, at least when comparing to what I myself was able to envision doing. I mean, using concept art in a provocative way that almost turns into harassment of people that do love a certain musical style. Although I hated country music myself I felt with those cowboys and understood why they got so angry. At this phase of understanding, Chadbourne's activities did not come out "weird" to me - only unluckily misplaced. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 08:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3233BED0; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450E5E86.7030308@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:53:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: <46c.7c48d80.323994ae@aol.com> <450A3C3C.1020305@addcom.de> <9fce0b8483a9ac2e2b3be52ff5b3bf65@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <9fce0b8483a9ac2e2b3be52ff5b3bf65@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> h) To follow all of these, you have to build the looper yourself... > > Yeah, Stefan! Now it gets interesting..... I will point out, that this does not force anybody to use Max at all, I built my first looping instrument around hardware, I had a digitech 7.6 seconds delay, a SPX 1000 and a pitchshifter, patched together with a mixing board. I consider this to be a self built looper/instrument as well. (That time I didn't think in terms of loops...) Max is just making it more easy for me... Stefan > I like letting go of harmony. > > To rephrase Glenn Gould's Dictum: > > "All great loop music must be contrapuntal." > > Harmony is a byproduct of counterpoint.... There are two ways of thinking harmony, the other one does not need to be let go... But whatever you learned what harmony has to be... forget it. It is obvious why counterpoint is the most difficult part of teaching composition, especially for those teachers who think it has to do with the ability to compose like Palestrina (they haven't experienced counterpoint yet themself, though Palestrina without doubt did know it!... ;-) > The four elements for me: > > 1) Dynamics > 2) Pitch > 3) Velocity > 4) Texture maybe 5) sound? but that could be texture... and for sure 6) emotion/connection/devotion... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 09:03:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0283BED0; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450E60BF.6000302@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:02:55 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> b) vary the material, let go the sense of harmony... > > stefan.....what do you mean and why?.....:)m I just believe, its interesting to get rid of any common concept. You could get back to that actually later... Often we think music has to have certain elements, because all the music I love has them and the music I don't like doesn't have them. For example very often musicians believe that they need a beat... But if you give room to that believe, you will just miss the music without it, though it exists. If you let go the sense of (western)harmony you will immediatly enhance your sense of harmony... Sounds like a counterpoint (normal people would call it a contradiction, but its not... its maybe more a dialectic way of thinking. Though I prefer more than only two perspectives... ;-) Throwing in some provocative statements really get all of us into reflecting things... finding the essence... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 09:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90113BED8; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450E6315.9070602@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:12:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: <005801c6d8f3$e13b72e0$0200a8c0@daw1> In-Reply-To: <005801c6d8f3$e13b72e0$0200a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: >>Fractal loops seems to be the way to go... > > My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other related > math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this? Fractal in what way? If you have a tap delay with 8 taps and 8 possibilities to feedback (as I do), you can easily create fractal like rythmic structures by controlling the feedbacks. For example, imagine a 4 bar delay, if you create a feedback at the end of the bar, it will repeat 4 bars as a loop... but if you now create a feedback which is one 8th shorter, you will get a syncopic more complex rythmical structure. Now play with different ways of feeding back at different times... It will result in fractal like complex textures... Graphical fractals are mostly feedback structures to create complexity out of very simple basic rules... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 09:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8DA63BEDD; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RjR4oKT8SIaSjebzlwgqeHr3+dHxXC4DG2LlIAl9DfWpaH4q+OacXt4nCN5UJ4C2pHFgLSvrWmRE7xufcBEVaExQn9we0XJkwXXN9JvZWFYM/HWcLRMKsgbZqLfgal5tCTVgfukwjyaoI388tv52VwsWSaKxlGgcRao3oIngjZI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <450E60BF.6000302@addcom.de> References: <450E60BF.6000302@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D14A804-517E-47BA-98F4-4699C9962DFF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:26:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:26:44 +0000 (UTC) > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>> b) vary the material, let go the sense of harmony... >> stefan.....what do you mean and why?.....:)m > On 18 sep 2006, at 11.02, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just believe, its interesting to get rid of any common concept. > You could get back to that actually later... > > Often we think music has to have certain elements, because all the > music I love has them and the music I don't like doesn't have them. > For example very often musicians believe that they need a beat... > But if you give room to that believe, you will just miss the music > without it, though it exists. > If you let go the sense of (western)harmony you will immediatly > enhance your sense of harmony... Interesting post! I love that moment when the listening mind completely looses track of "the music". When there suddenly are no rhythmic or tonal structures to be interpreted as "music". The tonal center, the key, is suddenly gone and no harmonies to be heard either. What happens then is that the human brain starts to invent a new focus for what you are hearing/playing. It's like the musical instinct is always creating order out of chaos. I tend to like music that stays close to that border. No matter if I'm a listener or improvising player - the same cool thing happens all over. This philosophy brings some interesting aspects to the scenario of accidently playing "the wrong note" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 11:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75433BEDA; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:54:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060918061044.88945.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060918115419.106300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060918061044.88945.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis there is something new by TCElectronic called Konnect 24D: an I/O interface that also has some stereo effects (esp. Channel Strip + EQ :-) That might be something for you. Talking about TCElectronic, if guitar multi fx are ok, perhaps the G-Sharp could be something for you - it's in stereo. But not many interfaces are - a shame :-( Buzap -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 12:09:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67223BECF; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:09:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060915233453.49581.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060918120946.106280@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060915233453.49581.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks all I can add is that I really LOVE my Onyx 1220 mixer: Very good deal for the money (esp. if you get the Firewire card incl. for 500 EUR/$). EQs sound great Esp. for sending stereo signals, the AUX3/4-SEND(or MUTE) buttons are great. I use them all the time to send any signal (or a combination of signals) to my looper. Can't believe they don't market this feature actively. Also monitoring section is very flexible. It is built rock solid. That being maybe a disadvantage for a mobile setup. (Though the carry-on bags are... cute: https://loudstore.coresys.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10249&item=144987&minisite=10060) I'm not sure if you'll need a D?25? cable. You might want to check the other input/outputs: http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1220/images/1220_top_lg.jpg I had no problems with Onyx Firewire & my Mac (plug&play :-) Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 12:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E758D3BEDB; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:23:00 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000001c6c8a0$b52ee5f0$6701a8c0@jbroone> Message-ID: <20060918122300.106320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c6c8a0$b52ee5f0$6701a8c0@jbroone> Subject: RC-50: NO rec->overdub glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi noone@jbro.us I just would like to comment on your remark a while ago: > Also I should note that this "gap" I'm referring to is the same "skipped > playback" glitch as heard in record->playback mode (the first time through playing back the phrase), just considerably longer in record-overdub mode. I have tested this and there was NO gap whatsoever when shifting directly from recording mode to overdub mode. Again, I suspect that people don't set there time settings properly: Turn off loop sync, actively (!) turn down tempo guide all the way... Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 13:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C0C93BED5; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5K1Nu6JlIxNqyUEvbTA0fK7UmUsweSdtBAMqiY3mubzKJ+N+95zxdygVOcwQG+3XK3eui7CLZatb9Ds/fKgHFn29bYQRyRaxv5m/UkJIT9goGhlhYOfudMUeofty8K7qUbFTt+ytoS7blN4FumG3q93+YzdeexjBoi6MQkq7/mA= ; Message-ID: <20060918135337.34443.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: More mixer: Mackie Onyx or...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060918120946.106280@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to all that came through with info on mixers, here's the conclusion I came to: The Mackie Onyx line seems great... but it's not a single space unit as I originally wanted. Would be great if I could find it with the firewire card for an inexpensive price, but here in the states it's pretty expensive especially when you consider you'll have to add $90 to it to use the full complemenet of cables. Worth it? Definitely. For me? Probably not, at least right now. What I've done was to take 2 of the outputs from my 828 and ran them into my effects. (AirSynth/AirFX/KAOSS Pad 2) and back into a stereo pair on my Soundcraft board. Worked perfectly, though with a little noticable latency. My idea's been to use this setup on my guitar signal in a similar way to the video someone posted where the guitarest had built a KAOSS pad into his guitar. My sustainiac would provide a nice sustainable note for me to mangle. It was nearly impossible to play. I really realized how much my sustainiac technique relies on both hands. My right hand is constantly muting the strings I don't want to sound. It's become second nature and I don't even think about it. In the end, I just couldn't control it well. Instead I just decided I'd dedicate the output of my Alesis Micron to my needs. Works perfectly and is easily controllable. For my guitar I've decided that I'm going to try and rig my setup so that I can have a dual pedal midi controller (probably the midi out of my Tonelab) control two parameters at the same time. I used to get some amazing stuff happening way back when with an ART SGX2000 and it's midi pedal. Oh those days of pink and black silk screened graphics! Mark --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > all I can add is that I really LOVE my Onyx 1220 > mixer: > Very good deal for the money (esp. if you get the > Firewire card incl. for 500 EUR/$). EQs sound great > Esp. for sending stereo signals, the AUX3/4-SEND(or > MUTE) buttons are great. I use them all the time to > send any signal (or a combination of signals) to my > looper. Can't believe they don't market this feature > actively. Also monitoring section is very flexible. > It is built rock solid. That being maybe a > disadvantage for a mobile setup. (Though the > carry-on bags are... cute: > https://loudstore.coresys.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10249&item=144987&minisite=10060) > > I'm not sure if you'll need a D?25? cable. You might > want to check the other input/outputs: > http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/onyx1220/images/1220_top_lg.jpg > I had no problems with Onyx Firewire & my Mac > (plug&play :-) > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:28:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5ADF3BECD; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <125101c6db2e$c5789370$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060918061044.88945.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect Eventide quality, but I have to say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects box. The chorus is outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The reverb is not the best in the industry but for live application and studio work (not for movie production, of course), it is more than adequate. You could always look into one of the floor Boss unites ,the GT whatever they are up to now, GT-8...but I still think you are limited in inputs. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar >i read that the effects are just "ok" not top quality > and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? > i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking > everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i > need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane > mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 but > its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if > there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor with > good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if > them have one input only;-( > Luis > > --- hazard factor wrote: > >> Would the Boss VF-1 work? >> >> Dave Eichenberger >> http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> > Folks, >> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs >> proccesor with hi >> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance audio >> pickup >> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options are >> many and i >> > dont have the possiblity to try things in the >> small town where i live. >> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic >> > Luis >> > >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 542993BEEC; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.11.192.82] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <125101c6db2e$c5789370$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:30:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2006 14:30:53.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C1B7630:01C6DB2F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:30:58 +0000 (UTC) I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the LXP-1 is very nice. Cheers Lou >From: "Krispen Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0600 > >Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect Eventide quality, but I have to >say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects box. The chorus is >outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The reverb is not the best in >the industry but for live application and studio work (not for movie >production, of course), it is more than adequate. You could always look >into one of the floor Boss unites ,the GT whatever they are up to now, >GT-8...but I still think you are limited in inputs. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" >To: ; >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM >Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > > >>i read that the effects are just "ok" not top quality >>and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? >>i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking >>everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i >>need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane >>mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 but >>its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if >>there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor with >>good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if >>them have one input only;-( >>Luis >> >>--- hazard factor wrote: >> >>>Would the Boss VF-1 work? >>> >>>Dave Eichenberger >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com >>> >>> > Folks, >>> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs >>>proccesor with hi >>> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance audio >>>pickup >>> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options are >>>many and i >>> > dont have the possiblity to try things in the >>>small town where i live. >>> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic >>> > Luis >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CDA83BEF3; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:57:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Acba/n/1O6clSwGLSMO1sZQ+YjXP2AANCUcg Message-Id: <20060918145734.DSWZ22977.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJH7C5nAnw It's Chadbourne-- He's bored and annoyed . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 16:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3403BED8; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8437B165-A1EA-4A92-9271-883DD7636188@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack proccesor | VF-1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:01:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Hello - I've loved these boxes since they were first released. I'm running two pre-loop and two post-loop in my current setup. I can't imagine my setup without them. ------------------------------------------- Here's my take on the Boss VF-1 Standard Delays: Crisp and super clean. The roll-off feature really lends a cool analog feel to the repeats. RE-201 Sim: One of the best tape delay sims out there. Lots of control of the parameters. Lot of fun when tied to an expression pedal. Multi-Taps: 20 taps altogether! Capable of some insane reverse fx when carefully programmed. Reverbs: On the stale side for me. Even at 100% wet the verbs still sound bland. It takes two VF-1 units running in series to get the ultra-wet wash of verb I'm looking for. I usually add some slight overdrive or eq to dirty these patches up. If you're strictly into standard Room and Hall sounds you'll be satisfied. Amp Sims: Vox, Fender, Marshall, and Soldano models sound thick and heavy when set at moderate gain tones. I hate the HIGH, MEDIUM and LOW Gain presets. Once you tack on some EQ, these amp sims are great. I'm not a big high-gain fan so I rarely touch the Peavey and Boogie sims. StompBox sims: The OD-1 and Fuzz models are better than their stompbox counterparts. The DF-2 SuperFeedbacker and VB-2 Vibrato modes are worth the price alone. The Synth modes are fun but a little hard for me to find a solid use for. Compressor: Noisy. I never use it unless I actually want something hissy. Rotary: One of the best mid-priced rotary sims out there. Super flexible... Pitchshifting: Awful. Shrill and artificial to my ears. Can be convincing at super low mix levels. EQ: Precise and easy to work with. I use it on nearly every patch to warm things up. ------------------------------------------- Overall the VF-1 is an incredible box. It does impart a slight digital sheen to your sound which I'm constantly battling with EQ or mild amounts of overdrive. The layout and programming is really intuitive. Re-arranging the order of certain effects yields some cool and unexpected sounds and textures. Midi implementation is limited to four CCs but is well done. I rarely use the VF-1s by themselves and I always end up adding other rack devices to supplement the poor reverbs and pitch-shifting. Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 17:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25DC53BEDD; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <131301c6db45$7fc45f00$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8437B165-A1EA-4A92-9271-883DD7636188@cableaz.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack proccesor | VF-1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:11:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Cool review. You have four? Wow...that's impressive. You forgot the JC-120 amp simulator...that is my favorite. The Fender sim is great, but I sounds too much like the amp cab to me...if that makes any sense. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rds8000" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack proccesor | VF-1 > Hello - > > I've loved these boxes since they were first released. I'm running two > pre-loop and two post-loop in my current setup. I can't imagine my setup > without them. > > ------------------------------------------- > Here's my take on the Boss VF-1 > > Standard Delays: Crisp and super clean. The roll-off feature really lends > a cool analog feel to the repeats. > RE-201 Sim: One of the best tape delay sims out there. Lots of control of > the parameters. Lot of fun when tied to an expression pedal. > Multi-Taps: 20 taps altogether! Capable of some insane reverse fx when > carefully programmed. > > Reverbs: On the stale side for me. Even at 100% wet the verbs still sound > bland. It takes two VF-1 units running in series to get the ultra-wet > wash of verb I'm looking for. I usually add some slight overdrive or eq > to dirty these patches up. If you're strictly into standard Room and Hall > sounds you'll be satisfied. > > Amp Sims: Vox, Fender, Marshall, and Soldano models sound thick and heavy > when set at moderate gain tones. I hate the HIGH, MEDIUM and LOW Gain > presets. Once you tack on some EQ, these amp sims are great. I'm not a > big high-gain fan so I rarely touch the Peavey and Boogie sims. > > StompBox sims: The OD-1 and Fuzz models are better than their stompbox > counterparts. The DF-2 SuperFeedbacker and VB-2 Vibrato modes are worth > the price alone. The Synth modes are fun but a little hard for me to find > a solid use for. > > Compressor: Noisy. I never use it unless I actually want something hissy. > > Rotary: One of the best mid-priced rotary sims out there. Super > flexible... > > Pitchshifting: Awful. Shrill and artificial to my ears. Can be convincing > at super low mix levels. > > EQ: Precise and easy to work with. I use it on nearly every patch to warm > things up. > ------------------------------------------- > > Overall the VF-1 is an incredible box. It does impart a slight digital > sheen to your sound which I'm constantly battling with EQ or mild amounts > of overdrive. The layout and programming is really intuitive. > Re-arranging the order of certain effects yields some cool and unexpected > sounds and textures. Midi implementation is limited to four CCs but is > well done. I rarely use the VF-1s by themselves and I always end up > adding other rack devices to supplement the poor reverbs and > pitch-shifting. > > Adam > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25DAC3BEDB; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060918145734.DSWZ22977.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20060918145734.DSWZ22977.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7bff35e0dd528ed662eb1ef4e41f47fe@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:09:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <63QJDD.A.BSB.P7uDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:09:04 +0000 (UTC) I love Eugene...I've played with him from Tijuana to San Francisco,=20 numerous tours here on the west coast...recorded with him....he is one=20= of the funniest and nicest people I've ever met. He is also an=20 incredibly gifted improviser, who can also bust out Coltrane, Braxton=20 and Bach on the banjo....for those who are not familiar with him and=20 his personal brand of musical madness: http://www.eugenechadbourne.com/ Also: check out his club survival guide: "I hate the man who runs this=20= bar!" http://tinyurl.com/nfvld delightfully informative and fun to read. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:36:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96DB93BEE0; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aFwtRCKmkr1XY+9DW2u4zBfZ9OgfVSjyV74NqGdQ2XR1LXbdBMmuaVEFIKvWPrq0vSOIU/MLRCnqdn3nCbqURRwYP0wn8hDObH83nNuZcRzUW1HZdOzXDkM31OW5ocmZZHZTbXSxZp32PHXzJUlv5mEjJFhzqZd3MM9HS4uKMNM= ; Message-ID: <20060918193648.28589.qmail@web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:36:48 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Can I put a word in for the Sony HR-MP5 ? Not world beating (especially not the pitch shifter) but quite serviceable - you might find one on eBay for a decent price... Cheers, - Tony --- Louis Rossi wrote: > I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the LXP-1 > is very nice. > Cheers > Lou > > > >From: "Krispen Hartung" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for > acoustic guitar > >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0600 > > > >Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect Eventide > quality, but I have to > >say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects > box. The chorus is > >outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The > reverb is not the best in > >the industry but for live application and studio > work (not for movie > >production, of course), it is more than adequate. > You could always look > >into one of the floor Boss unites ,the GT whatever > they are up to now, > >GT-8...but I still think you are limited in inputs. > > > >Kris > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > > >To: ; > > >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM > >Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for > acoustic guitar > > > > > >>i read that the effects are just "ok" not top > quality > >>and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? > >>i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking > >>everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i > >>need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane > >>mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 > but > >>its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if > >>there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor > with > >>good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if > >>them have one input only;-( > >>Luis > >> > >>--- hazard factor > wrote: > >> > >>>Would the Boss VF-1 work? > >>> > >>>Dave Eichenberger > >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com > >>> > >>> > Folks, > >>> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs > >>>proccesor with hi > >>> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance > audio > >>>pickup > >>> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options > are > >>>many and i > >>> > dont have the possiblity to try things in the > >>>small town where i live. > >>> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > >>> > Luis > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >>http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A71C13BED9; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13c401c6db5a$67efdbb0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060918193648.28589.qmail@web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:41:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6y_iW.A.O9C.eZvDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for reminder me...I believe this is the unit that McLaughlin used for years...may even still use one. They are 64 bit, right? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Douglas" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > Can I put a word in for the Sony HR-MP5 ? Not world > beating (especially not the pitch shifter) but quite > serviceable - you might find one on eBay for a decent > price... > > Cheers, > > - Tony > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the LXP-1 >> is very nice. >> Cheers >> Lou >> >> >> >From: "Krispen Hartung" >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for >> acoustic guitar >> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0600 >> > >> >Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect Eventide >> quality, but I have to >> >say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects >> box. The chorus is >> >outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The >> reverb is not the best in >> >the industry but for live application and studio >> work (not for movie >> >production, of course), it is more than adequate. >> You could always look >> >into one of the floor Boss unites ,the GT whatever >> they are up to now, >> >GT-8...but I still think you are limited in inputs. >> > >> >Kris >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" >> >> >To: ; >> >> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM >> >Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for >> acoustic guitar >> > >> > >> >>i read that the effects are just "ok" not top >> quality >> >>and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? >> >>i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking >> >>everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i >> >>need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane >> >>mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 >> but >> >>its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if >> >>there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor >> with >> >>good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if >> >>them have one input only;-( >> >>Luis >> >> >> >>--- hazard factor >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Would the Boss VF-1 work? >> >>> >> >>>Dave Eichenberger >> >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >>> >> >>> > Folks, >> >>> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs >> >>>proccesor with hi >> >>> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance >> audio >> >>>pickup >> >>> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options >> are >> >>>many and i >> >>> > dont have the possiblity to try things in the >> >>>small town where i live. >> >>> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic >> >>> > Luis >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >> >>Do You Yahoo!? >> >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars > online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:48:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E858E3BEE9; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GeVCMG2SQTQOx/XHtOGXILRhoQOF4nXI9PsqtJeguB5x/CNq48T+yuOhxdl0G2w5dhYy7pfK/xHA9dl28jtBp8i9fcfxd7IIghmpGbZhHDdxlBYGEYT4txGAJL5q5jQmPRqMJQ7WfunaR+HfUuSphpru3gwCKnCYb+PjSYNJFK8= ; Message-ID: <20060918194847.37596.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack proccesor | VF-1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8437B165-A1EA-4A92-9271-883DD7636188@cableaz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Adam thank you kindly for such a great review exactly what i wanted! yes thats what i read too bad the reverbs arent that great...although for acoustic i just use a bit of ambience,i suppose i could get a second one to put after the loop for a bit of after reverb as well.I just wish i could listen to a mp3,a sample or try one if u have any of that please please send it to me! other than that it sounds awesome! thanx again mate Luis --- rds8000 wrote: > Hello - > > I've loved these boxes since they were first > released. I'm running > two pre-loop and two post-loop in my current setup. > I can't imagine > my setup without them. > > ------------------------------------------- > Here's my take on the Boss VF-1 > > Standard Delays: Crisp and super clean. The roll-off > feature really > lends a cool analog feel to the repeats. > RE-201 Sim: One of the best tape delay sims out > there. Lots of > control of the parameters. Lot of fun when tied to > an expression pedal. > Multi-Taps: 20 taps altogether! Capable of some > insane reverse fx > when carefully programmed. > > Reverbs: On the stale side for me. Even at 100% wet > the verbs still > sound bland. It takes two VF-1 units running in > series to get the > ultra-wet wash of verb I'm looking for. I usually > add some slight > overdrive or eq to dirty these patches up. If you're > strictly into > standard Room and Hall sounds you'll be satisfied. > > Amp Sims: Vox, Fender, Marshall, and Soldano models > sound thick and > heavy when set at moderate gain tones. I hate the > HIGH, MEDIUM and > LOW Gain presets. Once you tack on some EQ, these > amp sims are great. > I'm not a big high-gain fan so I rarely touch the > Peavey and Boogie > sims. > > StompBox sims: The OD-1 and Fuzz models are better > than their > stompbox counterparts. The DF-2 SuperFeedbacker and > VB-2 Vibrato > modes are worth the price alone. The Synth modes are > fun but a little > hard for me to find a solid use for. > > Compressor: Noisy. I never use it unless I actually > want something > hissy. > > Rotary: One of the best mid-priced rotary sims out > there. Super > flexible... > > Pitchshifting: Awful. Shrill and artificial to my > ears. Can be > convincing at super low mix levels. > > EQ: Precise and easy to work with. I use it on > nearly every patch to > warm things up. > ------------------------------------------- > > Overall the VF-1 is an incredible box. It does > impart a slight > digital sheen to your sound which I'm constantly > battling with EQ or > mild amounts of overdrive. The layout and > programming is really > intuitive. Re-arranging the order of certain effects > yields some cool > and unexpected sounds and textures. Midi > implementation is limited to > four CCs but is well done. I rarely use the VF-1s by > themselves and I > always end up adding other rack devices to > supplement the poor > reverbs and pitch-shifting. > > Adam > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6476E3BEE8; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450EF895.4080409@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:50:45 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... References: <006301c6da46$0c8dbfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6FE55ADE-76A6-4CDF-BB99-DC5388A6BFA6@gmail.com> <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6f656ee6147ceb78c08491fca6a615f5@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <6f656ee6147ceb78c08491fca6a615f5@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Can we change the term from the egregious "weird" to the more unbiased > "statistically unusual?" :-) but that would mean any music is weird, because statistically unusual is anything which isn't played in the radio, and the radio nowadays doesn't play music anymore, they play playlists... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793393BEF7; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450EF8CB.4030103@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:51:39 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... References: <0d0601c6da68$93ef3820$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > On 9/17/06, hazard factor wrote: > >> Do you have to 'tame' it down for some gigs? > > Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, tailoring the > performance to the venue, event and audience happens all the time. But thats not taming down, its taming up, because the main thing about a performance is to get in contact with the audience. Could be subtle or harsh, but if you really tame it down, you would stop making your music... (and this is nobodys "thing"...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:51:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8423BEFA; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:51:56 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... References: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > So I see the "creative" in creative music as an attribute of the > music itself: the music itself creates things, it doesn't just sit > there. It's not just an idea." I can't tell you how much I love this statement. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 19:57:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454AA3BF02; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FdiWogXKbDsSQAV6eR72PbPaxGz3d/0YizM3B1sHVtvIWubUwUNPFdDnPsbFOV/qDodQiHViz1xaP+Ygxo885bSNnRExa6EguApSRisG7mAXQAE1zCnTbEfskL/FFN+Ud4YiOihcMnhNHd+Wqs24vpUaci7RAx1nZM5yqulLBao= ; Message-ID: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13c401c6db5a$67efdbb0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( i am gonna cry! Luis > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > LXP-1 > >> is very nice. > >> Cheers > >> Lou > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:04:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9036A3BEE7; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:04:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I know....a real bummer...means you have to put the unit in the front of your chain or collapse a stereo signal into mono further down the line. But the sounds of the LXP1 and LXP5 are awesome nonetheless. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( > i am gonna cry! > Luis > >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: >> > >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the >> LXP-1 >> >> is very nice. >> >> Cheers >> >> Lou >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:06:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B78F3BEF7; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BtQI/BtRLNh9YHV0tLJZ6qZH8qFlXVJAVeEtdExOAyXFhMI6pbRsyi7wcPexoTgRW4nVpp11W2AQiJqP6gAwM2xDeuh4W1p3TjEoNj9eeNZaD2e24fXSL5nfnJZTFUJ9GH07xoFh+RSsGEdsVr/RWhiFTQRHlNNfbdOrwdxjDtw= ; Message-ID: <20060918200641.55515.qmail@web27701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:06:41 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13c401c6db5a$67efdbb0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Umm. You had me look at the manual for the first time in ages there ... says nothing about the processing, but A/D and D/A are 18-bit resolution at 48kHz. What I would say is that, apart from the wacko special effects that manufacturers keep putting into their boxes to show what sort of bizarre, one-use noises you can produce (are you listening, Zoom ?), the effects don't have that "overlaid" feeling some processors produce - the effect and the original sound feel more integrated than with some cheap-ish units. The pitch shifter is even worse than the Lexicon MPX-100, BTW. Only thing I use more often is a Roland RSP-550. As always, your mileage may vary wildly ... :) - Tony --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks for reminder me...I believe this is the unit > that McLaughlin used for > years...may even still use one. They are 64 bit, > right? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Douglas" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for > acoustic guitar > > > > Can I put a word in for the Sony HR-MP5 ? Not > world > > beating (especially not the pitch shifter) but > quite > > serviceable - you might find one on eBay for a > decent > > price... > > > > Cheers, > > > > - Tony > > > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > LXP-1 > >> is very nice. > >> Cheers > >> Lou > >> > >> > >> >From: "Krispen Hartung" > >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor > for > >> acoustic guitar > >> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0600 > >> > > >> >Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect > Eventide > >> quality, but I have to > >> >say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects > >> box. The chorus is > >> >outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The > >> reverb is not the best in > >> >the industry but for live application and studio > >> work (not for movie > >> >production, of course), it is more than > adequate. > >> You could always look > >> >into one of the floor Boss unites ,the GT > whatever > >> they are up to now, > >> >GT-8...but I still think you are limited in > inputs. > >> > > >> >Kris > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > >> > >> >To: ; > >> > >> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM > >> >Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor > for > >> acoustic guitar > >> > > >> > > >> >>i read that the effects are just "ok" not top > >> quality > >> >>and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? > >> >>i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by > hooking > >> >>everything into a Rane sm82 but for the > acoustic i > >> >>need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the > rane > >> >>mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP > 13 > >> but > >> >>its expensive and i dont have space for it,now > if > >> >>there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor > >> with > >> >>good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most > if > >> >>them have one input only;-( > >> >>Luis > >> >> > >> >>--- hazard factor > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>Would the Boss VF-1 work? > >> >>> > >> >>>Dave Eichenberger > >> >>>http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> >>> > >> >>> > Folks, > >> >>> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs > >> >>>proccesor with hi > >> >>> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo > trance > >> audio > >> >>>pickup > >> >>> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the > options > >> are > >> >>>many and i > >> >>> > dont have the possiblity to try things in > the > >> >>>small town where i live. > >> >>> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > >> >>> > Luis > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> >> > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >> >>Do You Yahoo!? > >> >>Tired of spam? 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Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:21:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821D13BEF0; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:20:41 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Message-ID: <09ECFEA15C44810B65E8F27B@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9ZfkZB.A.D6G.s-vDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:21:00 +0000 (UTC) --On Monday, September 18, 2006 2:04 PM -0600 Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yeah, I know....a real bummer...means you have to put the unit in the > front of your chain or collapse a stereo signal into mono further down > the line. But the sounds of the LXP1 and LXP5 are awesome nonetheless. Yea, I have a couple of LXP-5 boxes that I have been using on vocals. Really nice sounds despite the age of these boxes. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370BF3BEF1; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack proccesor | VF-1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:37:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:38:52 +0000 (UTC) I forgot about the JC-120 model! That is a good one. I'm running two Roland JC-50s in my current rig which explains why I don't use the JC-120 sim too much :) The Fender doesn't really sound like Fender that much to me. It has a hollow notched cab sound through my setup. Adam www.myspace.com/lochheed ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- | Cool review. You have four? Wow...that's impressive. You forgot the JC-120 amp simulator...that is my favorite. The Fender sim is great, but I sounds too much like the amp cab to me...if that makes any sense. | Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683BE3BEFF; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kwKkHjPizBdI8h0QO7MEtQTH/cj1Yz9J1WtyIp5aBTl0fOrtX5fb6c4jqNeKQ7kJFz814y51pIv1bSxSDq0OGJ0TNll+kmhRop7ybTstOxhWADerNGpgqFfI6DMJ/TmSqyAE5OOySjkILghnouqbpL3vshr5lN+DgAXvfE0Ksco= ; Message-ID: <20060918203925.96411.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <125101c6db2e$c5789370$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:39:27 +0000 (UTC) The Boss AD-5 seems to be the only acoustic floor unit with stereo inputs,but then again its missing a tuner,oh well cant always have what u want... Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, for a half rack box, we can't expect Eventide > quality, but I have to > say the VF1 packs a lot into a half rack effects > box. The chorus is > outstanding, given that it is Boss/Roland. The > reverb is not the best in the > industry but for live application and studio work > (not for movie production, > of course), it is more than adequate. You could > always look into one of > the floor Boss unites ,the GT whatever they are up > to now, GT-8...but I > still think you are limited in inputs. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: ; > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:10 AM > Subject: RE: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for > acoustic guitar > > > >i read that the effects are just "ok" not top > quality > > and no idea how the EQs are,have you tried one? > > i am trying to eliminate my desk mixer by hooking > > everything into a Rane sm82 but for the acoustic i > > need a stereo proccessor with EQ because the rane > > mixer doesnt have any,there is also the rane AP 13 > but > > its expensive and i dont have space for it,now if > > there is a stereo I/O acoustic floor proccessor > with > > good eqs and reverbs that would be it! but most if > > them have one input only;-( > > Luis > > > > --- hazard factor > wrote: > > > >> Would the Boss VF-1 work? > >> > >> Dave Eichenberger > >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > >> > >> > Folks, > >> > I am hunting for a half rack stereo I/O FXs > >> proccesor with hi > >> > quality Eqs and reverbs for my stereo trance > audio > >> pickup > >> > acoustic guitar system.As u know the options > are > >> many and i > >> > dont have the possiblity to try things in the > >> small town where i live. > >> > Many thanx and sorry for the off-topic > >> > Luis > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 20:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CF6F3BEF5; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jxAhrCkjmlqeRUzgTDWo2xh6xpEXfWPMfcyIVWNK82IcWlgQoD960vVFM6q04nvQUMg1haukMo9SAgt3ayVEu5uzbJhb2sM5gCsssXz0/F/3MF/T0zdJA8kXwVF/38gJQPEqrLJDV+riXNg9g0vL1AYe5/r63WSI9IuOE6aPBmw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <72D26D90-9424-4D4E-A0E6-3890E5A27453@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:45:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_tCaTC.A.4j.-VwDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:45:51 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2006, at 21.57, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( > i am gonna cry! > Luis I understand that as you want to use short early reflection reverb/ delay programs? (where true stereo matters). I happen to own a LXP5 and my take on it is that it has some very good long reverb, that actually is a multi program set up with both reverb and delay. With such long washes the stereo picture in quick slapping sounds are gone anyway, so IMHO it's totally usable with a mono input and the stereo output of the effect program. I think it's amazingly great value for the money to pick up a used LXP5 if you're looking only for a great reverb. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F8F3BEE7; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016301c6db66$bac41e80$800101df@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <450E6315.9070602@addcom.de> Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) >> My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other >> related >> math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this? Fractal in what way? > > If you have a tap delay with 8 taps and 8 possibilities to feedback (as I > do), you can easily create fractal like rythmic structures by controlling > the feedbacks. For example, imagine a 4 bar delay, if you create a > feedback at the end of the bar, it will repeat 4 bars as a loop... but if > you now create a feedback which is one 8th shorter, you will get a > syncopic more complex rythmical structure. Now play with different ways of > feeding back at different times... It will result in fractal like complex > textures... Ah, I get it. Interesting idea. It'd be interesting to hear what happens if you have 8 feedback loops, each one 1/8th shorter. Or if you could have the feedback loop shorten by 1/8th each time til it was 0, then increase back to the full feedback.. and around and around... > Graphical fractals are mostly feedback structures to create complexity out > of very simple basic rules... Yeah, like the Mandlebrot set. I spent a lot of computer lab time writing and running those. Good fun. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3233BEF4; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VQR+tinTGfx6/96tOs23O527ujLF73ITteKZszZwUHyn1Ch7PHQzT3Aq77kT8/fgyrcL+ABSU6LI1e10xCDZQ+GOkpWL7H2oag/sqhPIuKWQGzFSfwMYCGpcIg7LXWu9ZycytFm6iuOpMDuHVzHq6yOHGP0YD4hWPipWy1R8PF8= ; Message-ID: <20060918211934.3310.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060918115419.106300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3yWKWD.A.EWC.n1wDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) yes ive been checking it out very nice i just wish they had the half rack... somebody has to come up soon with single space mixers with at least 2Auxs and onboard simple 3 band eqs and nice reverb effects for us ol back breaking loopers! Luis --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Luis > > there is something new by TCElectronic called > Konnect 24D: an I/O interface that also has some > stereo effects (esp. Channel Strip + EQ :-) > That might be something for you. > Talking about TCElectronic, if guitar multi fx are > ok, perhaps the G-Sharp could be something for you - > it's in stereo. But not many interfaces are - a > shame :-( > > Buzap > > -- > "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:28:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B8E3BEF4; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XhhGrVFAVLSCZqQbL/cjoVYy0C40MGp+TGfNbJY19NobiBVvWLxyu9vmaku8Z1CMGU6arBm93eA72RyLcS2emUbmxPj1yX8vYOD5iRULSsXP7LrCAJGYGp1ZQiREoCQ6IFgKTv2k76ZJ6MYUWkoJFeuRzyOs6Gl7koBFIN9BXQI= ; Message-ID: <20060918212844.4889.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <72D26D90-9424-4D4E-A0E6-3890E5A27453@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Yes,the thing is i am using a trance audio amulet system acoustic stereo pickup which is superb in stereo,until now i use it directly with my mackie cfx1202,and use mackies outstanding simple eq and reverbs and my 2 EDPs in the aux and it sounds fantastic.Unfortunately this mixer plus my rack plus my synth fcb1010 guitars etc. is taking a toll in setup time and carrying.If there was a single space 16 chanel mixer with 2 auxs eqs and fxs id set up in 5 minutes and i would be in heaven! Rane SM82 almost nailed it Mackie are u listening? maybe i should write them again! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 sep 2006, at 21.57, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( > > i am gonna cry! > > Luis > > I understand that as you want to use short early > reflection reverb/ > delay programs? (where true stereo matters). I > happen to own a LXP5 > and my take on it is that it has some very good long > reverb, that > actually is a multi program set up with both reverb > and delay. With > such long washes the stereo picture in quick > slapping sounds are gone > anyway, so IMHO it's totally usable with a mono > input and the stereo > output of the effect program. I think it's amazingly > great value for > the money to pick up a used LXP5 if you're looking > only for a great > reverb. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:31:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF263BEF6; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c6db6a$046ce6e0$11f59643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:32:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3F8QrC.A.tFD.HBxDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:51 +0000 (UTC) C'mon guys! I'm sure you can generate at least 10 times as many of this 1/2 rack stuff if you get *really* serious. Howzabout that 'OT' warning in the subject? -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > Yeah, I know....a real bummer...means you have to put the unit in the front > of your chain or collapse a stereo signal into mono further down the line. > But the sounds of the LXP1 and LXP5 are awesome nonetheless. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > > > > Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( > > i am gonna cry! > > Luis > > > >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > >> > > >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > >> LXP-1 > >> >> is very nice. > >> >> Cheers > >> >> Lou > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED01B3BEF5; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <145201c6db6a$94110ec0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <450E6315.9070602@addcom.de> <016301c6db66$bac41e80$800101df@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:37:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:37:04 +0000 (UTC) I have to say I was really taken aback when I first heard the phrase "fractal music". My first inclination was that is was a trendy "catch phrase" misapplication of concept as it originated in visual fields, only because I was construing a true fractal pattern as one that is holographic (refer to "The Holographic Universe" and the article "The Source of Fractals")....but I learned that this is an extreme application of the concept and now fractals have blossomed into something not so rigidly in adherence to the holographic plate example, where not only does the shape appear similar at all levels of magnification, but appears "exact". And I confirmed this with the entry on fractals at Wikipedia: Fractals, below. We are talking similar and not exact. And we are introducing a degree of subjectivity as well, in perception. "In colloquial usage, a fractal is a shape that is recursively constructed or self-similar, that is, a shape that appears similar at all scales of magnification and is therefore often referred to as "infinitely complex." Mathematicians avoid giving the strict definition and prefer to call 'fractal a geometric object that usually a.. has fine structure at each scale and can not be easily described in traditional Euclidean geometry language. b.. is self-similar (at least approximatively or stochastically) c.. has Hausdorff dimension greater than its topological dimension d.. has a simple and recursive definition e.. has natural appearance." But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying that you create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be found repeated in a similar way inside that overall pattern? I need a more concrete example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can understand this better, but not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a melodic pattern that repeats within itself, or even in a similar fashion....nothing is comeing to mind, but I'm a bit tired right now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting >>> My ears always perk up when someone mentions Fractals (or any other >>> related >>> math stuff.) Could you elaborate a bit on this? Fractal in what way? >> >> If you have a tap delay with 8 taps and 8 possibilities to feedback (as I >> do), you can easily create fractal like rythmic structures by controlling >> the feedbacks. For example, imagine a 4 bar delay, if you create a >> feedback at the end of the bar, it will repeat 4 bars as a loop... but if >> you now create a feedback which is one 8th shorter, you will get a >> syncopic more complex rythmical structure. Now play with different ways >> of feeding back at different times... It will result in fractal like >> complex textures... > > Ah, I get it. Interesting idea. It'd be interesting to hear what > happens if you have 8 feedback loops, each one 1/8th shorter. Or if you > could have the feedback loop shorten by 1/8th each time til it was 0, then > increase back to the full feedback.. and around and around... > > >> Graphical fractals are mostly feedback structures to create complexity >> out of very simple basic rules... > > Yeah, like the Mandlebrot set. I spent a lot of computer lab time writing > and running those. Good fun. > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 21:39:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FD9E3BEFE; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RsmMG69k/DBD9qMzkt6i/IWiRnfsN2d8G1wbR7E75mbt2Twvs9M5FtiTkimvkL3Tv76xu+VLOis0nOu0PN6L6lDQYD4m072NH0HkSGg0XNGljWmvO6BG59pSan7RqZ8BnVr/UDYLeiJzqOqbEHg0mPCKEh+YyWWfJSAaYxrT/YI= ; Message-ID: <20060918213937.76901.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Also check out Marc Ducret for some serious noise and there is also an album by Pat metheney as well with nothing but noise! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 sep 2006, at 00.22, hazard factor wrote: > > > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or > 'experimental', or 'difficult > > listening' if you had never been exposed to such a > thing. > > (not about "a solo looper" but a funny memory > somewhat related to > "weird") > > I was Exposed once... In 1980 I bought a double > album of Eugene > Chadbourne, bought it unheard after reading in > Guitar Player about > his experimentation with "prepared guitar". When > listening for the > first time I just couldn't believe my ears: Eighty > minutes of noise > sounding like someone was ripping off small pieces > of paper, > crunching them into small paper balls and throwing > them to the floor. > I think I listened through the double album three > times on a row and > I didn't find any sound that appeared to emanate > from a guitar or > even carry a melody or a rhythm. Musically I found > it totally > unusable, but I was amazed and inspired by the > knowledge that this > american weirdo had actually put that much energy > into releasing this > weird statement. I was also somewhat lifted by > finding out that > recordings could be created for communicating a > statement as opposed > to communicating music. But I never listened to the > vinyl again ;-)) > > Then I really didn't think about it much until some > years later when > I read that Chadbourne and his japanese partner was > almost beaten up > by country music lovers at a concert. Then I thought > that his > "concept art" was way too aggressive, at least when > comparing to what > I myself was able to envision doing. I mean, using > concept art in a > provocative way that almost turns into harassment of > people that do > love a certain musical style. Although I hated > country music myself I > felt with those cowboys and understood why they got > so angry. At this > phase of understanding, Chadbourne's activities did > not come out > "weird" to me - only unluckily misplaced. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 22:33:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4C73BED3; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dS7riHQ26KyY0S4f7jSFac6MyWitUCgWzSbl5422UxqPkEBoJCwVeoDzeuJf5ey/ojLGe7xNTrDZA6qQrvKiPjb5vyC7ASSLg56jKNXBlLwQuJPOuQaea4LATSO14O4Ffo3xWNfPFxfpVMNnzfcnSL1H7hN+C+j2QX2mupXRvJA= ; Message-ID: <20060918223357.30191.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:33:59 +0000 (UTC) I think is very important to know exactly where u are playing and as painful as it sounds if necessary be ready to adapt to the audience a bit.Ive talked to musicians outhere who say "no i just do my thing and if they dont like it they can go home". But reality in such cases is actually the other way around! Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > On 9/17/06, hazard factor > wrote: > > Do you have to 'tame' it down for > > some gigs? > > Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, > tailoring the > performance to the venue, event and audience happens > all the time. > > >And did any one ever get fired from a gig because > it was too odd? > > > > > > Plenty of times. In the same way that I wouldn't > get gigs because > "Your music isn't our thing". > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6903BED3; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pPQ/8pMimE4rOKqmJBGLCp17EJZ5ZmuPYR7Ajf4xP9C9BXhT3DusZV1rrOJhrVxFD941mJxz2bx1pGnMuFBjP7D31ycti4jzDGQmwe4cfvJ+TVvJKb8huxCYrMqJkMwHdZRrIutstkwlL/BLvS4B4HsFP/m1XzfY6CZ8oMnOP8E= ; Message-ID: <20060918231943.89353.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: artists@hazardfactor.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007801c6daa7$c9cb1100$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:19:45 +0000 (UTC) hey Dave,i had a familiar experience: i played at an irish pub where i did a loop show. and the result was odd; i saw a lot of men walking out and after the show some older women came to me and told me how they enjoyed the show.The bar owners wife after this women gave me a compliment in front of her said "nice i enjoyed it too,but i dont think this was the right place for it" A month later her husband the bar owner who had just gotten back from vacation called me and ask me if i could fill in for a band that didnt show up and said "u can do whatever u want just dont do that weird stuff u did last time;-)" Another one was in Italy where i played in a huge disco for a hand full of people.I could tell the owner and the sound crew found it perhaps interesting but were a bit puzzled because once again it wasnt the place for it.Afterwards i thought, hey i could have looped just as good but in a different way,thats the beauty of improvising alone,perhaps integrating more triphop or downbeat grooves which people are familiar with and which i also love,but i was so into what i personally wanted to show or do that night that i didnt think of anything else... One thing i do now days is to relax,take a deep breath,observe the whole picture before the show and try to get a feeling of the place,audience and atmosphere,telling myself that even if it goes wrong it will be another step to something.i dont plan a set list either,just make notes of the endless looping ideas to throw in.Somehow this has helped my confidence not to get deteriorated by such experiences many of us go through... or ive matured;-) Luis --- hazard factor wrote: > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or > 'experimental', or 'difficult > listening' if you had never been exposed to such a > thing. So, if one does > this, where do you play, and how often? Do you have > to 'tame' it down for > some gigs? And did any one ever get fired from a gig > because it was too odd? > > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd have > to say it > > mostly falls into experimental and avant-garde to > me...when > > it's weird, it generate a distrinct feeling for > me....but > > that is probably just my own idiosyncrasity. > > > > Kris > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:25:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D1803BEDA; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V2KJE/7KB3ZVZtkO2E/BCnedYOmsF1tcmkE0R1yAV29Qa5J1SttmOHlOB28AfA165yDoHXe3eaYBbr/WqpDzIGPmyVxMjgxmwgQHvYkn2NPi6RjKskjxAIDoYlTH9A7Nt+fgOIL78m1/uSYKvOFd4qcXss2whvxIrqk1N1nQicY= ; Message-ID: <20060918232525.803.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060917171234.01b75418@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:25:26 +0000 (UTC) actually it sounds nice to try a new step catnip dance so no i dont think is weird Cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > At 16:15 17/09/2006, you wrote: > >Is this weird? ;-)) > >http://www.looproom.com/audio/impros_aug15_2006/pboyrec12.mp3 > > no > > :-) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A39B73BED2; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s9tCBzirY26ZS9AhLEmOWVKSBbAX/4j1GUfPi4ML6IWcA1yVYa8y4lEmHeBoJrhNq3j3PXDnnq6dqqwKtcA9HfiQQBC821vvug0i7NKd3ZgO59X1lDe7i7UqxHUp9p8HoRDudmL8Ul+LJGAHS9/AGZezl2jRoiwQ4bDPZsvnNWE= ; Message-ID: <20060918233703.54067.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060918145734.DSWZ22977.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Fuckin great Gary this is the guy we have to ask where we can all get gigs! Luis --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJH7C5nAnw > It's Chadbourne-- > He's bored and annoyed . . . > Gary > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5063BEE9; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:46:49 -0600 Message-Id: <200609182346.k8INknh01835@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2V7IuB.A.tsB.q_yDFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( >i am gonna cry! >Luis Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual and it says nothing about summing the input to mono. There are two inputs on the back panel, either one will work as a mono input or use both for stereo. Or did I miss something? Kevin > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > LXP-1 > >> is very nice. > >> Cheers > >> Lou > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54E3A3BEEA; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:47:57 -0600 Message-Id: <200609182347.k8INlvH03061@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:47:58 +0000 (UTC) >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( >i am gonna cry! >Luis Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual and it says nothing about summing the input to mono. There are two inputs on the back panel, either one will work as a mono input or use both for stereo. Or did I miss something? Kevin > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > LXP-1 > >> is very nice. > >> Cheers > >> Lou > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 23:57:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E30CA3BEE8; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAHHODkWLbAE Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:56:27 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <044301c6db7e$0e563210$a8aed4da@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060918231943.89353.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Luis, That's an interesting account of your experience. I'd like to share my story. Besides having my own creative music group "the embryo" I sing and play guitar solo 3 evenings a week at the transit bar at the local airport here. Over the past 2 years I began incorporating looping devices into my playing. At first it was a way to expand my solo guitar format by creating loops with chord progressions and later on adding guitar soundboard slaps which was ok with familiar covers. The story goes really when some drunks were asking for Hotel California and then asked midsong where's the guitar solo man?!" and at the end of of it will flap their hands like sea lions only missing them with one of them hollering "ya ya, that was so so but where was the rhythm guitar man!?" I smiled but felt so defeated. Then I discovered the DL4! Those same folks were rolling on the floor went they came by and are now one of my regulars. Heh :) Anyway later on along the way after much ongoing trial and embarrasing (hopefully forgettable) on the job errors I expanded my cover improvs into loopy soundcapey territories just to see how I could go with this and to see how the audience and the management's staff would react. I usually had to make a visual scan of the place and decide if it'll work beforehand. My confidence was built upon expressed accepatance and encouragement from the many lovely transit passengers I met along the way. It's occured to me that most bar managers will only approve what the patrons do. Thankfully things have worked in my favour so far . Hope this has been of interest. Tanx for reading and sharing everyone! :) Oh ya btw I use the following for my transit bar gig. Do recommend me other interesting devices to expand my sounds ya. Randolf Arriola uses; 1. Godin Steel Duet/ Steel SA 2. CS3 Compressor (modded) 3. Yamaha Magicstomp 4. Boss DD20 5. Line6 DL4 6. Proel Expression pedal for DL4 Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... > hey Dave,i had a familiar experience: > i played at an irish pub where i did a loop show. and > the result was odd; i saw a lot of men walking out and > after the show some older women came to me and told me > how they enjoyed the show.The bar owners wife after > this women gave me a compliment in front of her said > "nice i enjoyed it too,but i dont think this was the > right place for it" > A month later her husband the bar owner who had just > gotten back from vacation called me and ask me if i > could fill in for a band that didnt show up and said > "u can do whatever u want just dont do that weird > stuff u did last time;-)" > Another one was in Italy where i played in a huge > disco for a hand full of people.I could tell the owner > and the sound crew found it perhaps interesting but > were a bit puzzled because once again it wasnt the > place for it.Afterwards i thought, hey i could have > looped just as good but in a different way,thats the > beauty of improvising alone,perhaps integrating more > triphop or downbeat grooves which people are familiar > with and which i also love,but i was so into what i > personally wanted to show or do that night that i > didnt think of anything else... > One thing i do now days is to relax,take a deep > breath,observe the whole picture before the show and > try to get a feeling of the place,audience and > atmosphere,telling myself that even if it goes wrong > it will be another step to something.i dont plan a set > list either,just make notes of the endless looping > ideas to throw in.Somehow this has helped my > confidence not to get deteriorated by such experiences > many of us go through... > or ive matured;-) > Luis > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or > > 'experimental', or 'difficult > > listening' if you had never been exposed to such a > > thing. So, if one does > > this, where do you play, and how often? Do you have > > to 'tame' it down for > > some gigs? And did any one ever get fired from a gig > > because it was too odd? > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd have > > to say it > > > mostly falls into experimental and avant-garde to > > me...when > > > it's weird, it generate a distrinct feeling for > > me....but > > > that is probably just my own idiosyncrasity. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 00:09:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CBB33BEDE; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=O276rNvse6mKWmY7Kg9qQol0z/C+04fBAxsG73iXt+QWHuU0SosHxZugRCwNdJhv; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <16562607.1158624570445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48b05e8c95ae69aefce0f46f834cc89532350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:09:41 +0000 (UTC) "adapt to the audience a bit"? sorry but i think that is a slippery slope. where is the line between what you play and what the audience wants to hear. they have nothing to do w/ each other imho you have to play what you play and hope there is a response of some kind... if there isnt...well you move on. to appraoch a performance w/ the thought-'i wonder what they want to hear or, this will get a reaction' is the tail waggin the dog. just my thoughts -please delete s -----Original Message----- >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Sent: Sep 18, 2006 3:33 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... > >I think is very important to know exactly where u are >playing and as painful as it sounds if necessary be >ready to adapt to the audience a bit.Ive talked to >musicians outhere who say "no i just do my thing and >if they dont like it they can go home". >But reality in such cases is actually the other way >around! >Luis > >--- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> On 9/17/06, hazard factor >> wrote: >> > Do you have to 'tame' it down for >> > some gigs? >> >> Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, >> tailoring the >> performance to the venue, event and audience happens >> all the time. >> >> >And did any one ever get fired from a gig because >> it was too odd? >> > >> > >> >> Plenty of times. In the same way that I wouldn't >> get gigs because >> "Your music isn't our thing". >> >> > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 02:12:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7143BED3; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:07:42 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: WTB(or trade for stuff): Roland MKS30 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <450F50EE.8050402@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:12:00 +0000 (UTC) anyone got a roland mks-30/planet-s they don't use much anymore? i have the gr700/pg200 and want the mks30 to use with the pg200 in a performance context. i'll pay cash or i have these items for trade or sale: cz101, dx100, yamaha qy10, yamaha qx7, frontalinni 120 bass accordian w/case, morris 12-string acoustic w/pickup and case. thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 02:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB173BEDF; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--61121143 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: publicist Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:58:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=3, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.87.181 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:58:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--61121143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to promote my next album. Any recommendations? Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-4--61121143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    I hate promoting my music = and I'm no good at it.=A0 So, I've been thinking about using a publicist = to promote my next album.=A0 Any recommendations?

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    = --Apple-Mail-4--61121143-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 03:02:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A4203BEEE; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GRkpw0LJeCqJScRjA9LTSUd6oG76b9JyFrBV3E125AnEZaKdKQVf1uu9zTqg2LC4+lchxnLm0y5VvyYnXO3nxsp01jnf5z/vUN/pHn+wWdrlYgEMTGlkOZlJGpQ61E2dLeBy3RPEQkUPPoVFr+jb0PtmSDvOPk3HRnZUpb1F1rA= ; Message-ID: <20060919030242.48315.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:02:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: stanitarium@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16562607.1158624570445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:02:43 +0000 (UTC) dont missunderstand me,i mean if u land in the wrong place,but offcourse i am speaking from my own experience so delete this as well. Cheers Luis --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > "adapt to the audience a bit"? > sorry but i think that is a slippery slope. > where is the line between what you play and what the > audience wants to hear. > they have nothing to do w/ each other imho > you have to play what you play and hope there is a > response of some kind... > if there isnt...well you move on. > to appraoch a performance w/ the thought-'i wonder > what they want to hear or, this will get a reaction' > is the tail waggin the dog. > just my thoughts -please delete > s > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "L.A. Angulo" > >Sent: Sep 18, 2006 3:33 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo > loopers... > > > >I think is very important to know exactly where u > are > >playing and as painful as it sounds if necessary be > >ready to adapt to the audience a bit.Ive talked to > >musicians outhere who say "no i just do my thing > and > >if they dont like it they can go home". > >But reality in such cases is actually the other way > >around! > >Luis > > > >--- Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > >> On 9/17/06, hazard factor > > >> wrote: > >> > Do you have to 'tame' it down for > >> > some gigs? > >> > >> Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, > >> tailoring the > >> performance to the venue, event and audience > happens > >> all the time. > >> > >> >And did any one ever get fired from a gig > because > >> it was too odd? > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Plenty of times. In the same way that I wouldn't > >> get gigs because > >> "Your music isn't our thing". > >> > >> > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 03:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB7B3BEF1; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ap6yxKOP9QCybuJCpHO/1WYqYbnobwJKqVHQ7L5c+4HUaIGebCyYgLaH7ut1EaSy8F8ik8lDE9RBRjhMjQ6l91tLuSI1QtToDGLeo8o7nHHl1ClY+O1zLHrbPnYOklNqjzdBf6lnY2vy/rfoOgnSMj/VknAoKa4ghtaC1O6CtQc= ; Message-ID: <20060919030815.99823.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <044301c6db7e$0e563210$a8aed4da@embryo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey great story too Randolf! dont get me wrong, i still havent bee egged or thrown out and have always gotten paid;-) if 100 people walk out but one says something positive then consider yourself a winner! cheers Luis --- Randolf Arriola wrote: > Luis, > That's an interesting account of your experience. > I'd like to share my > story. Besides having my own creative music group > "the embryo" I sing and > play guitar solo 3 evenings a week at the transit > bar at the local airport > here. Over the past 2 years I began incorporating > looping devices into my > playing. At first it was a way to expand my solo > guitar format by creating > loops with chord progressions and later on adding > guitar soundboard slaps > which was ok with familiar covers. The story goes > really when some drunks > were asking for Hotel California and then asked > midsong where's the guitar > solo man?!" and at the end of of it will flap their > hands like sea lions > only missing them with one of them hollering "ya ya, > that was so so but > where was the rhythm guitar man!?" I smiled but felt > so defeated. Then I > discovered the DL4! Those same folks were rolling on > the floor went they > came by and are now one of my regulars. Heh :) > > Anyway later on along the way after much ongoing > trial and embarrasing > (hopefully forgettable) on the job errors I expanded > my cover improvs into > loopy soundcapey territories just to see how I could > go with this and to see > how the audience and the management's staff would > react. I usually had to > make a visual scan of the place and decide if it'll > work beforehand. My > confidence was built upon expressed accepatance and > encouragement from the > many lovely transit passengers I met along the way. > It's occured to me that > most bar managers will only approve what the patrons > do. Thankfully things > have worked in my favour so far . Hope this has been > of interest. Tanx for > reading and sharing everyone! :) > > Oh ya btw I use the following for my transit bar > gig. Do recommend me other > interesting devices to expand my sounds ya. > > Randolf Arriola uses; > 1. Godin Steel Duet/ Steel SA > 2. CS3 Compressor (modded) > 3. Yamaha Magicstomp > 4. Boss DD20 > 5. Line6 DL4 > 6. Proel Expression pedal for DL4 > > Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: ; > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... > > > > hey Dave,i had a familiar experience: > > i played at an irish pub where i did a loop show. > and > > the result was odd; i saw a lot of men walking out > and > > after the show some older women came to me and > told me > > how they enjoyed the show.The bar owners wife > after > > this women gave me a compliment in front of her > said > > "nice i enjoyed it too,but i dont think this was > the > > right place for it" > > A month later her husband the bar owner who had > just > > gotten back from vacation called me and ask me if > i > > could fill in for a band that didnt show up and > said > > "u can do whatever u want just dont do that weird > > stuff u did last time;-)" > > Another one was in Italy where i played in a huge > > disco for a hand full of people.I could tell the > owner > > and the sound crew found it perhaps interesting > but > > were a bit puzzled because once again it wasnt the > > place for it.Afterwards i thought, hey i could > have > > looped just as good but in a different way,thats > the > > beauty of improvising alone,perhaps integrating > more > > triphop or downbeat grooves which people are > familiar > > with and which i also love,but i was so into what > i > > personally wanted to show or do that night that i > > didnt think of anything else... > > One thing i do now days is to relax,take a deep > > breath,observe the whole picture before the show > and > > try to get a feeling of the place,audience and > > atmosphere,telling myself that even if it goes > wrong > > it will be another step to something.i dont plan a > set > > list either,just make notes of the endless looping > > ideas to throw in.Somehow this has helped my > > confidence not to get deteriorated by such > experiences > > many of us go through... > > or ive matured;-) > > Luis > > > > > > --- hazard factor > wrote: > > > > > For me too, it means 'avante-garde' or > > > 'experimental', or 'difficult > > > listening' if you had never been exposed to such > a > > > thing. So, if one does > > > this, where do you play, and how often? Do you > have > > > to 'tame' it down for > > > some gigs? And did any one ever get fired from a > gig > > > because it was too odd? > > > > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > But weird....really wierd solo looping....I'd > have > > > to say it > > > > mostly falls into experimental and avant-garde > to > > > me...when > > > > it's weird, it generate a distrinct feeling > for > > > me....but > > > > that is probably just my own idiosyncrasity. > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 03:14:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 798523BEF7; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:14:02 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: publicist In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <450F607A.8040901@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAFH9DkU X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,184,1157338800"; d="scan'208"; a="807151025:sNHT22819734" References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <_GHFY.A.-1B.NC2DFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. So, I've been > thinking about using a publicist to promote my next album. Any > recommendations? > > Matt Green Galactic are good: http://greengalactic.com Hope this helps. Andrew -- NSCC sound course http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction remix contest ends Sept 30: http://andrew-duke.com/contests.html Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features & column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 03:16:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7CBE3BEFC; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Uq5sP7xpYLETh19fK+1YQsZMgUdGNMi+KOgQmx6NIwxlHWfo7MqBl1zF0UjbcVKk3EQCqKqPo1dy494uJ7oI3SlZF22BM1xT9LAfMqZPKllCfszS70ywbNjsTmFW3tradaxnqcgEQSNducdcwIxG37ByX512fyESMOWm1T7nPuE= ; Message-ID: <20060919031638.77065.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) To: kevin@minds-eye.org, Loop In-Reply-To: <200609182347.k8INlvH03061@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:16:39 +0000 (UTC) i was talking about the LXP1 which was suggested to me in this very email(read below) and so i read this: http://www.cassiel.com/space/Gearhead/Lexicon+LXP-1 dont know about the lxp-5 but if it has 2 inputs i thank you for letting me know! ill check it out cheers Luis --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( > >i am gonna cry! > >Luis > > Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual > and it says nothing > about summing the input to mono. There are two > inputs on the back > panel, either one will work as a mono input or use > both for stereo. Or > did I miss something? > > Kevin > > > > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > > LXP-1 > > >> is very nice. > > >> Cheers > > >> Lou > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the > body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root > cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 04:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8804D3BEF6; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14fa01c6dba3$e48b89a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200609182347.k8INlvH03061@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:27:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Well, it's easy to test. Just run a stereo processor into the LXP1, which has some stereo imaging, and listen if the imaging is preserved. It is NOT preserved with the LXP5, unfortunately. The LXP5 also has stereo inputs, L and R, which doesn't necessarily mean true stereo separation of the input. A damn shame. Thought when I used my LXP1, I ran it through the AUX of my mixer board....mono Aux send of the mixer into one of the LXP1 mono inputs, and LXP1 stereo out into a stereo channel of my Mackie....worked like a charm. I suppose you could do the same with the LXP5. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) > >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( >>i am gonna cry! >>Luis > > Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual and it says nothing > about summing the input to mono. There are two inputs on the back > panel, either one will work as a mono input or use both for stereo. Or > did I miss something? > > Kevin > >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: >> > >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the >> LXP-1 >> >> is very nice. >> >> Cheers >> >> Lou >> > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 05:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E663BED9; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A/5emOfOG8ZQ1ApYN8msJj5j4yqd9epdoSxuu3Z1Hnz+KW/X4ppsORCZkTlHblvu4zwo6G/lcoZRgNnNkS4ljNsttjn2fvzXWjsAKnhqXqIAVZTgxVFbJF7fiAYZuFrEvCaSKjfe/HwlxaT2xx4NoH7v9UZQJ6SfNUNwKR71V8U= ; Message-ID: <20060919051020.87780.qmail@web55504.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: publicist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-251393392-1158642620=:85764" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:10:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-251393392-1158642620=:85764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Matt: Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself involved in some sort of stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the power and convenience of the internet, such free and easy debacherous yet effective self-promo is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own career track on the heels of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more doors faster. Hope that helps. Best Regards, Monica aka reptilian guitar diva "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to promote my next album. Any recommendations? Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-251393392-1158642620=:85764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Matt:
        Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself involved in some sort of
    stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the power and convenience
    of the internet, such free and easy debacherous yet effective self-promo
    is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own career track on the heels
    of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more doors faster.
    Hope that helps.
    Best Regards,
    Monica
    aka reptilian guitar diva

    "Matthew F. McCabe" <mmccabe@finleysound.com> wrote:
    I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it.  So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to promote my next album.  Any recommendations?

    Matt


    ---
    King Never


    Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-251393392-1158642620=:85764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 06:28:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303AC3BEDD; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <004101c6dbb4$c9e852c0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:28:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C6DBC5.8BCFF5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:28:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C6DBC5.8BCFF5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im interested that you guys even risk playing "Irish pubs" or "coffee = bars"!!! (Altho I realise that Coffee bars are a "thing" in th US)=20 Here in Europe (OSlo to be specific) I could play every weekend at some = such weird venue or other, (if only I could get off my ass to arrange = it...(still feel guilty Rick!!!) ) I always play in front of completely appreciative crowds where I am = often the more "musical" of a bunch of acts... as in "I play notes = occasionally".=20 Or maybe I'm just spoilt by living in the Oslo Noise scene for the last = 8 years...=20 I just wouldnt risk plying somewhere I know to be wrong... what would be = the point??? Door money??? I dont think so! LOL!! I remember one gig I did with The cranes tho, in um... snowy place... = um.. damn it... ahh yes Vermont! Where, after the show our manager came = back from the office with a grim look, "Lets go" he said... "unless you = guys can play Freebird or someting" We looked at each other wondering... = whats Freebird??? Apparently, the scene in the Venue office was... Club = owner with gun on table, saying.. IM not gonna pay you, gotta problem = with that? We of course did what any sensible band would do in such = circumstances... put suger in his pick-ups petrol tank and drove like = the wind outta state!!! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C6DBC5.8BCFF5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C6DBC5.8BCFF5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 06:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A0A3BED0; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=idDhqXjvjhuzofXm7Z+wng9/2huGb3YdE5XUzANMEl440uCgTxW2G8lfq9XvBrAiuU4SDc7PjOis5cALThbFcE58P+JUO/OCu3t8Vtaiw62REZr61k42D/Y2Xwp0vShKJY19C7CDLsohLFCL9Y+l0UIagZ9DCkCKOfEQ/aarbKE= In-Reply-To: <14fa01c6dba3$e48b89a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200609182347.k8INlvH03061@minds-eye.org> <14fa01c6dba3$e48b89a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EDDBA03-43B5-4DD8-AB89-B13E3468F325@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:49:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0IrfNC.A.Zx.QM5DFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:49:52 +0000 (UTC) On 19 sep 2006, at 06.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thought when I used my LXP1, I ran it through the AUX of my mixer > board....mono Aux send of the mixer into one of the LXP1 mono > inputs, and LXP1 stereo out into a stereo channel of my > Mackie....worked like a charm. I suppose you could do the same with > the LXP5. Yes, that's exactly how I was connecting my LXP5 (back in my huge rack days... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 07:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62D493BEE4; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BjuY2onzf6EwBMnIPLEezkgNMz7biJ7W8xnmNVAbb4RAIcxrFv9kRTILcQgb+Z8bwCaVLf+FENHnpa0/f7siO83bMJZYGu209GuWcbqKLfxBFtslxzVrgJgujp6f7AR1lfrVNQs1+oLcHzdbcEYWcMOSRHQwtd1e2FuKo3baQpk= In-Reply-To: <004101c6dbb4$c9e852c0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <004101c6dbb4$c9e852c0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E881941-E717-4112-8A06-D61A3EB60207@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:11:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:11:38 +0000 (UTC) On 19 sep 2006, at 08.28, markfrancombe.com wrote: > I just wouldnt risk plying somewhere I know to be wrong... what > would be the point??? Door money??? I dont think so! LOL!! The only reason I can think of is for pure fun, eventually brought by such a "sociological/musical experiment". I was once booked to play at a beer bar's "singer-songwriter's evening", against that fact that I warned them and said "I won't play any known songs and I can't tell you which instrument I will use, or what it will sound like, until I'm standing there on the stage". When I played it was miles out of the club concept but the funny thing is that it was appreciated by most people. Which was a big surprise to me, then ;-D I use to think about this future concept of doing an "Instant Misplacement Tour". The idea is to have a very cheap and portable looping rig and some records to sell (to secure income) and then play at places that are completely "wrong". I do not think about this as a way of "confronting people" but more as a way of "winning them over" (and I think this difference in attitude is the clue to what will make it work) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 09:17:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168FF3BEE0; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <450FB5B7.4020807@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:17:43 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeping loops interesting References: <450E6315.9070602@addcom.de> <016301c6db66$bac41e80$800101df@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <016301c6db66$bac41e80$800101df@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8OJTMB.A.OEF.6W7DFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Ah, I get it. Interesting idea. It'd be interesting to hear what > happens if you have 8 feedback loops, each one 1/8th shorter. Or if you > could have the feedback loop shorten by 1/8th each time til it was 0, > then increase back to the full feedback.. and around and around... Next possibilty is Y2K6, I'll play the first remote set with Jeff as the (European) remote part and use my Ondes Memorielles of course. I hope to be able to set up everything fine and get no dropouts with my provider... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 11:34:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1189D3BEDE; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c6dbdf$991555a0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002a01c6db6a$046ce6e0$11f59643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:34:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:34:44 +0000 (UTC) are 2 half rack stereo processors as good as a single full rack stereo effect processor ? I find 2 half rack better because you have more variety of front plate colors and double the amount of display and blinkers the fog is thicker with two also when I dont have anything interesting to say, musically that is. Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > C'mon guys! I'm sure you can generate at least 10 times as many of this > 1/2 > rack stuff if you get *really* serious. Howzabout that 'OT' warning in the > subject? -Miko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > > >> Yeah, I know....a real bummer...means you have to put the unit in the > front >> of your chain or collapse a stereo signal into mono further down the >> line. >> But the sounds of the LXP1 and LXP5 are awesome nonetheless. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L.A. Angulo" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar >> >> >> > Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono input??;-((( >> > i am gonna cry! >> > Luis >> > >> >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4ff.60ad92d.324144b4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:03:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4ff.60ad92d.324144b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a moment of silence please.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_4ff.60ad92d.324144b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a moment of silence please.....:)m



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     --part1_4ff.60ad92d.324144b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 13:04:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580A73BEEC; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Michael Schiefel feature on German radio Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:04:29 +0200 Message-ID: <00f201c6dbec$249f9200$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acbb7CQa6V1tMNuURgyss4bDYPBFGA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <7zv81D.A.UCD.nr-DFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:04:39 +0000 (UTC) all of the Berlin 2003 and Zurich 2005 Loopfestival participants will remember the hilarious, mindblowing, and deeply musical performances of looping singer Michael Schiefel. I just saw that there will be a radio feature about his work on German WDR5 radio on September 26th. Congrats Michael -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 13:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E0BC3BEE8; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qtaF3Ans2nqNdsz9vypnJxQW60Ttjokco1EH29SGsk3WobidwE7Y5r9UcQXIzHOncCv2j8W/KjcTnsNphvQJLd0VTpx7TBDhzlLRLDAzzY8A8r9y9xDUA50Iy2gpErWQddfRb+OTRGfTADOuPHote78CFslgrzMvGd9H6Jbcx5I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <00f201c6dbec$249f9200$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00f201c6dbec$249f9200$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Michael Schiefel feature on German radio Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:11:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:11:40 +0000 (UTC) On 19 sep 2006, at 15.04, Michael Peters wrote: > all of the Berlin 2003 and Zurich 2005 Loopfestival participants will > remember the hilarious, mindblowing, and deeply musical > performances of > looping singer Michael Schiefel. I just saw that there will be a radio > feature about his work on German WDR5 radio on September 26th. > Congrats > Michael WDR5? Is that a local German air radio station? Or can I tune in from Sweden? 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Waiting for your response Yours Sincerely, ROCK PHILLIP Email:renel_1000232@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 16:38:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0013BED9; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:38:33 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbbapY52PacDxNsTsmwDh/15ifJ5AAnI1ZA In-Reply-To: <145201c6db6a$94110ec0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) > But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks > saying that you create a piece of music where the pattern as > a whole can be found repeated in a similar way inside that > overall pattern? I need a more concrete example of this. Ok, try this as an example (and you can play along using Mobius if you like...): first start off with a very simple melodic segment. Like C Ab D G in quarter notes legato. You now have a one-bar loop. Now copy that loop to another track and set that to Rate -24. This loop now plays with 1/4 of the tempo. Now you got your fractal counterpoint. Of course, those Baroque counterpoint guys will smack you because you move in fifth parallels at the end of bar four...but if you do something like it without the ugly parallels, this is something J.S.Bach has done before numerous times. Now for something even more interesting. Transpose your first loop one octave down, so it becomes a bass line. Mute your second loop (the four bar length one) and record a third loop. Here you play chords, each one one bar in length: 1: G-Bb-Eb (Eb chord) 2: F-C-D (Dm7) 3: F-Ab-C (Fm) 4: F-B-D (B0) Now you have this repeating one-bar melody over a four-bar chord progression. Add a HipHop-Jazz drum groove at a tempo of 98bpm and play some soft lead parts, and you're in lounge-style territory. What is fractal here? If you examine these chords closely, they all form trunctated chords (missing the root), except for the second, which can be seen as a chord missing its third. If you now complete the missing notes in your mind, the chords become: 1: Cm7 (the C missing) 2: Fm6 (the Ab missing) 3: Dm7b5 (the D missing) 4: G7 (the G missing) And the missing notes in sequence form...your intial loop! Fractal all the way. Btw, hiding some theme in missing notes of a chord progression is a trick invented by Beethoven in his op. 110 piano sonata (or was it op111 ?). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 16:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540CD3BEE7; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EOCXpjhVu5oBHXl2o4P938uRm/EvhlNCDOxR01xaEbAzWy8wYkEmOyXq8Kj9trMgikCtnMU4XIAgUA8c1y32erZ/h3fPRdyab5Vg7LFBLkkqhCxe+XqFlg1vCDsjlnRfDltD6NERRqGtXGf2JjuDHE2g4UlpJbZOLGM3rLT4fvw= Message-ID: <913728d60609190950n3a124c67qbaf82980876c8d3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:50:53 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_65226_4189800.1158684653423" References: <145201c6db6a$94110ec0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_65226_4189800.1158684653423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thats a really cool idea--i must try it! Charlie On 9/19/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks > > saying that you create a piece of music where the pattern as > > a whole can be found repeated in a similar way inside that > > overall pattern? I need a more concrete example of this. > > Ok, try this as an example (and you can play along using Mobius if you > like...): > > first start off with a very simple melodic segment. Like C Ab D G in > quarter > notes legato. You now have a one-bar loop. > Now copy that loop to another track and set that to Rate -24. This loop > now > plays with 1/4 of the tempo. Now you got your fractal counterpoint. Of > course, those Baroque counterpoint guys will smack you because you move in > fifth parallels at the end of bar four...but if you do something like it > without the ugly parallels, this is something J.S.Bach has done before > numerous times. > > Now for something even more interesting. Transpose your first loop one > octave down, so it becomes a bass line. Mute your second loop (the four > bar > length one) and record a third loop. Here you play chords, each one one > bar > in length: > > 1: G-Bb-Eb (Eb chord) > 2: F-C-D (Dm7) > 3: F-Ab-C (Fm) > 4: F-B-D (B0) > > Now you have this repeating one-bar melody over a four-bar chord > progression. Add a HipHop-Jazz drum groove at a tempo of 98bpm and play > some > soft lead parts, and you're in lounge-style territory. What is fractal > here? > If you examine these chords closely, they all form trunctated chords > (missing the root), except for the second, which can be seen as a chord > missing its third. > > If you now complete the missing notes in your mind, the chords become: > > 1: Cm7 (the C missing) > 2: Fm6 (the Ab missing) > 3: Dm7b5 (the D missing) > 4: G7 (the G missing) > > And the missing notes in sequence form...your intial loop! Fractal all the > way. Btw, hiding some theme in missing notes of a chord progression is a > trick invented by Beethoven in his op. 110 piano sonata (or was it op111 > ?). > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_65226_4189800.1158684653423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    thats a really cool idea--i must try it!
     
    Charlie

     
    On 9/19/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    > But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks
    > saying that you create a piece of music where the pattern as
    > a whole can be found repeated in a similar way inside that
    > overall pattern?  I need a more concrete example of this.

    Ok, try this as an example (and you can play along using Mobius if you
    like...):

    first start off with a very simple melodic segment. Like C Ab D G in quarter
    notes legato. You now have a one-bar loop.
    Now copy that loop to another track and set that to Rate -24. This loop now
    plays with 1/4 of the tempo. Now you got your fractal counterpoint. Of
    course, those Baroque counterpoint guys will smack you because you move in
    fifth parallels at the end of bar four...but if you do something like it
    without the ugly parallels, this is something J.S.Bach has done before
    numerous times.

    Now for something even more interesting. Transpose your first loop one
    octave down, so it becomes a bass line. Mute your second loop (the four bar
    length one) and record a third loop. Here you play chords, each one one bar
    in length:

    1: G-Bb-Eb (Eb chord)
    2: F-C-D (Dm7)
    3: F-Ab-C (Fm)
    4: F-B-D (B0)

    Now you have this repeating one-bar melody over a four-bar chord
    progression. Add a HipHop-Jazz drum groove at a tempo of 98bpm and play some
    soft lead parts, and you're in lounge-style territory. What is fractal here?
    If you examine these chords closely, they all form trunctated chords
    (missing the root), except for the second, which can be seen as a chord
    missing its third.

    If you now complete the missing notes in your mind, the chords become:

    1: Cm7 (the C missing)
    2: Fm6 (the Ab missing)
    3: Dm7b5 (the D missing)
    4: G7 (the G missing)

    And the missing notes in sequence form...your intial loop! Fractal all the
    way. Btw, hiding some theme in missing notes of a chord progression is a
    trick invented by Beethoven in his op. 110 piano sonata (or was it op111 ?).

           Rainer


    ------=_Part_65226_4189800.1158684653423-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 16:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6EB3BEF0; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:51:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001901c6dc0b$df3ee5b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbbapY52PacDxNsTsmwDh/15ifJ5AAnI1ZAAAEmtAA= In-Reply-To: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:51:44 +0000 (UTC) > Ok, try this as an example (and you can play along using Mobius if you > like...): (I just spent some time playing with this little ditty and decided to reserve all rights for it. Scale invariance rulez!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:01:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581233BEE1; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:00:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6Mv8S.A.1nD.MJCEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I understand the sequence of actions here, but I still don't see how this makes the music fractal.. How is the whole piece depicted in a similar way within itself? Where is this recursive similarity? I should be able to examine the whole piece as a pattern and see this pattern repeated in a "similar" fashion inside itself. Remember, the extreme or ideal example her is that of a holographic plate, where you can break it in half and see the original images preserved, and so on, etc. I don't think playing rootless chords counts, as that would make every single jazz piano part I've heard fractal (as they tend to drop their roots and fifths). So I'm still not clear on what makes a piece of fractal music "fractal" in the way that the innovators of fractal images defined it. I'm trying to think to myself of an example here. I suppose if a piece of music has four movements, and each of those four movements has four components, that is sort of a similar pattern repeating in the parts of a whole...but that seems like a stretch just to call the piece "fractal", as this would be based purely on a simple similarity between quantity of movements and components within those movements. And we're not even taking actual musical notes here. Now, in your example below, Rainer, if you had looped a melody with only C, Ab, D, and G, and then you looped chords over that melody, using only those four notes, but interpreting them differently based on what is the "implied" tonic, then that in a way is seeing a similar pattern inside a larger holistic pattern...but, I still think this is a stretch....a BIG stretch, because the pattern is merely the recurrence of notes used in the whole melody, inside the chords. When the piece is done, there is no real pattern of a whole repeated in its parts, because the whole song becomes the "whole". Then if we look inside that whole, what is repeated in a similar fashion? So, I don't think this is a good example either. The four movement / four component within each movement stands to be a better, albeit weak example. Call me a skeptic or a pain in the ass (whichever you prefer), or call me dense because I am overlooking the obvious here, but aside from the trendiness of calling a piece of music fractal because it is based on mathematical manipulation of notes, can someone provide another example that illustrates the concept of recursive similarity? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) >> But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks >> saying that you create a piece of music where the pattern as >> a whole can be found repeated in a similar way inside that >> overall pattern? I need a more concrete example of this. > > Ok, try this as an example (and you can play along using Mobius if you > like...): > > first start off with a very simple melodic segment. Like C Ab D G in > quarter > notes legato. You now have a one-bar loop. > Now copy that loop to another track and set that to Rate -24. This loop > now > plays with 1/4 of the tempo. Now you got your fractal counterpoint. Of > course, those Baroque counterpoint guys will smack you because you move in > fifth parallels at the end of bar four...but if you do something like it > without the ugly parallels, this is something J.S.Bach has done before > numerous times. > > Now for something even more interesting. Transpose your first loop one > octave down, so it becomes a bass line. Mute your second loop (the four > bar > length one) and record a third loop. Here you play chords, each one one > bar > in length: > > 1: G-Bb-Eb (Eb chord) > 2: F-C-D (Dm7) > 3: F-Ab-C (Fm) > 4: F-B-D (B0) > > Now you have this repeating one-bar melody over a four-bar chord > progression. Add a HipHop-Jazz drum groove at a tempo of 98bpm and play > some > soft lead parts, and you're in lounge-style territory. What is fractal > here? > If you examine these chords closely, they all form trunctated chords > (missing the root), except for the second, which can be seen as a chord > missing its third. > > If you now complete the missing notes in your mind, the chords become: > > 1: Cm7 (the C missing) > 2: Fm6 (the Ab missing) > 3: Dm7b5 (the D missing) > 4: G7 (the G missing) > > And the missing notes in sequence form...your intial loop! Fractal all the > way. Btw, hiding some theme in missing notes of a chord progression is a > trick invented by Beethoven in his op. 110 piano sonata (or was it op111 > ?). > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4CE3BF00; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c6dc0d$89fa36c0$e7f59643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060918195728.81599.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13e701c6db5d$96c54530$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002a01c6db6a$046ce6e0$11f59643@Biffoz> <004101c6dbdf$991555a0$4001a8c0@mini> Subject: OT Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:03:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Nice job Claude! I'm of the opinion that two of any 1/2 rack processors actually sound better than a full-size single space unit. Lighter colors *always* sound better! What I want to know is why just acoustic guitar? What's wrong with other instruments?? And why do we always have to loop to justify our existence??? Why did the creamface EDP disappear?????? (Loyal creamface Obie EDP owner here!) Miko Biffle -- "Fruit Loops is good food!" C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > are 2 half rack stereo processors as good as a single full rack stereo effect processor ? I find 2 half rack better because you have more variety of front plate colors and double the amount of display and blinkers the fog is thicker with two also when I dont have anything interesting to say, musically that is. Claude > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miko Biffle" > Subject: Re: 1/2 Rack stereo effect proccesor for acoustic guitar > > > C'mon guys! I'm sure you can generate at least 10 times as many of this 1/2 rack stuff if you get *really* serious. Howzabout that 'OT' warning in the subject? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:04:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 287EB3BF05; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:04:13 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001a01c6dc0d$a239a450$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbcDS+55uKX5ny5Txqm4nx/V2eVsQAACCrA In-Reply-To: <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <00nDo.A.n5D.QMCEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) > Okay, I understand the sequence of actions here, but I still > don't see how this makes the music fractal.. How is the whole > piece depicted in a similar way within itself? Where is this The missing root notes of the chord progression (which have a period of four bars) are also found in the bass line (which has a period of one bar). So if you cut out one bar (any bar) of your chord progression, the root notes of the entire chord progression are still there. > "similar" fashion inside itself. Remember, the extreme or > ideal example her is that of a holographic plate, where you > can break it in half and see the original images preserved, No, you can't. You lose half of the angles of aspect. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AEF3BEDF; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Anyone used Barbetta amplifiers? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c6dc0f$e80e28a0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Please forgive me if this is off-topic, as I imagine it's a subject that will interest many on the list. I'm interested in a small amplifier that will work well with loop/synth/electronic music and can also double as a general sound-reinforcement amplifier. On paper, the Barbetta 31 looks excellent, but I am having trouble getting reliable user-experience reports. Anyone on this list use one, or know someone who does? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:24:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F6AF3BEF5; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Vortex "Fractal" algorithm (was: fractal loops) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:24:09 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001b01c6dc10$6b098010$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbcDS+55uKX5ny5Txqm4nx/V2eVsQAAllkQ In-Reply-To: <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:24:18 +0000 (UTC) While we're at it, the Vortex algorithm "Fractal" can do just that - generate Fractals. The algorithm is basically two delays in series, with both the first and the second delay fed back to the first delay's input. Not let's say both delays are set to the same length (ECHO1=ECHO2, let's set it to 1), and the total feedback (FEEDBACK1) is >1. Now by setting the feedback mix (FEEDBACK2) to an in-between-value, the input of the echo chain is fed by a mix of the output of the first half of the delay chain and the output of the end of the chain. Sometimes, effects manufacturers name their presets for a reason! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67AFC3BF02; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f2rQhdetrmvGaGATQQ340PKK8bsw3QrRTfpwD2dFjSp8sLFaGn81XJ788m97iD6/IpxXOcvUmwizQZLOl8Emfjqmu74qMZjI+8rOy9LN9hbebFTOBr/3EWsVVNLmQEcUx1/AXg9CBFO5ngOTsSkKBdcspFNFMqzAeSXxaUvgooI= Message-ID: <913728d60609191026g33747b7aic73b3d2700c61b76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:26:48 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex "Fractal" algorithm (was: fractal loops) In-Reply-To: <001b01c6dc10$6b098010$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001b01c6dc10$6b098010$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) i would like to hear a sample of what that sounds like if anyone has one :) Charlie On 9/19/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > While we're at it, the Vortex algorithm "Fractal" can do just that - > generate Fractals. > > The algorithm is basically two delays in series, with both the first and the > second delay fed back to the first delay's input. > > Not let's say both delays are set to the same length (ECHO1=ECHO2, let's set > it to 1), and the total feedback (FEEDBACK1) is >1. Now by setting the > feedback mix (FEEDBACK2) to an in-between-value, the input of the echo chain > is fed by a mix of the output of the first half of the delay chain and the > output of the end of the chain. > > Sometimes, effects manufacturers name their presets for a reason! > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 17:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF92F3BF05; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15f001c6dc11$b0b737f0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001a01c6dc0d$a239a450$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:33:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:33:19 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >> Okay, I understand the sequence of actions here, but I still >> don't see how this makes the music fractal.. How is the whole >> piece depicted in a similar way within itself? Where is this > > The missing root notes of the chord progression (which have a period of > four > bars) are also found in the bass line (which has a period of one bar). So > if > you cut out one bar (any bar) of your chord progression, the root notes of > the entire chord progression are still there. So the similar pattern is based on the absense of notes? Yeah, I get it but it seems like a stretch to call this fractal music. And do you call the repating pattern recursive? It seems to repeat at only one level. This may produce some interesting resutls, but another example would be if you created a 1 minute looping piece, composed of as many parts you like, copied it, doubled it's speed, copy it again, and then past it in a new track so you have the original loop repeating within itself twice, but at double speed. You could do this indefinitely, copying those two double speed parts, double speeding them, and then copying the four new loops in a third track, and so on....good grief, I'd love to hear this. Can you do it Rainer? I dare you...fill up all 8 Mobius tracks. Your last track would consist of 128 copies of your first track loop, each running at 8 times the speed. To illustrate the effect, you could create the whole 8-track piece, and then play it back, staring only one track up at a time...so we can hear the additions. I may try it myself, if I can muster the time today to program Mobius to copy loops. >> "similar" fashion inside itself. Remember, the extreme or >> ideal example her is that of a holographic plate, where you >> can break it in half and see the original images preserved, > > No, you can't. You lose half of the angles of aspect. What I meant to say, repeated at http://www.smithsrisca.demon.co.uk/holonomic-theory.html is that "the entire image can be recreated from any one portion of the plate. That is to say, if a hologram is broken in half each half can still be used, on its own, to reproduce the whole image. And if each half is broken into quarters, all four quarters can still be used, on their own, to reproduce the whole image. And so on with practically no theoretical limit. All that happens is that every fragmentation simply reduces the clarity of the image. A hologram, in other words, obeys its own version of the Law of Mass Action." > > Rainer > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60A93BEF9; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mUxbaP7ZbCvfuTusaHoF4gatE+H9JklQiWb+AaUtK6X0EXJqcjWlmchP93kiE2MK+0pTPUfvuCUnkpEggaf0i7/cc5WJOzd2dMuCvAWTgADXEh0v+fDitRuSEed7knmScW/emxVHOPVurY+HOzqwiK+ScH2EYjCmgYi+uBPvouA= ; Message-ID: <20060919181730.32443.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16562607.1158624570445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6_dz4B.A.SKH.7QDEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:17:31 +0000 (UTC) I couldn't agree with you more Stan. I made many attempts to try to keep my pop/prog band together by tayloring the music to what people seemed to want to hear, but in upstate NY at the time people who paid to get into venues that played live music most likely wanted Country or would rather not even hear live music (they want to buy beer and try to get laid). In the end we started to realize that the more successful we were the more unhappy we were. Finally our drummer quit to join one of those country bands... and then I bought an Ensonic TS-10 (synth with sequencer on board) and a JamMan, so in a way it was the best thing that could have happened. I've honestly never been happier making music and I don't really miss the live audience much. What I do find I miss is interation with other musicians, but I'm lucky to have found a fellow looper in SF to jam with. Mark --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > "adapt to the audience a bit"? > sorry but i think that is a slippery slope. > where is the line between what you play and what the > audience wants to hear. > they have nothing to do w/ each other imho > you have to play what you play and hope there is a > response of some kind... > if there isnt...well you move on. > to appraoch a performance w/ the thought-'i wonder > what they want to hear or, this will get a reaction' > is the tail waggin the dog. > just my thoughts -please delete > s > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "L.A. Angulo" > >Sent: Sep 18, 2006 3:33 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo > loopers... > > > >I think is very important to know exactly where u > are > >playing and as painful as it sounds if necessary be > >ready to adapt to the audience a bit.Ive talked to > >musicians outhere who say "no i just do my thing > and > >if they dont like it they can go home". > >But reality in such cases is actually the other way > >around! > >Luis > > > >--- Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > >> On 9/17/06, hazard factor > > >> wrote: > >> > Do you have to 'tame' it down for > >> > some gigs? > >> > >> Sure. On a conscious and subconscious level, > >> tailoring the > >> performance to the venue, event and audience > happens > >> all the time. > >> > >> >And did any one ever get fired from a gig > because > >> it was too odd? > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Plenty of times. In the same way that I wouldn't > >> get gigs because > >> "Your music isn't our thing". > >> > >> > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:26:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D67143BF01; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WNa++t4+hg8YM1Ni+wy+VkQKakL7O0AZTVm97VyFFn3Bdjh8GMZ7XhzCcdsltFKi6molljNilMdfD5r4zFVKJ33HlEjTkQRTiB7JMaN0CnVf6DB6xqd30XTdeZVsF/nC62Bf+/fslJpRA0ikQMNrv6cSZVjzzXi7PHAIR26OnW4= ; Message-ID: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15f001c6dc11$b0b737f0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Dont' forget that the harmonic structure of songs/progressions can mimic the harmonic structure of a tone... though I'm not sure if that makes anything more "Fractal." What I'm looking for (in software hopefully) is something that slowly changes a perameter over very long lengths automatically. Like modulating a filter (delay or any other effect) with a sine wave, but have the sine wave have a period of 10-20 minutes. Anyone know of something that'll do that? A VST? Reaktor .ens? I think that would be a really cool way to produce an interesting effect like the ah ah ah ah loop in Laurie Anderson's Oh Superman. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > > >> Okay, I understand the sequence of actions here, > but I still > >> don't see how this makes the music fractal.. How > is the whole > >> piece depicted in a similar way within itself? > Where is this > > > > The missing root notes of the chord progression > (which have a period of > > four > > bars) are also found in the bass line (which has a > period of one bar). So > > if > > you cut out one bar (any bar) of your chord > progression, the root notes of > > the entire chord progression are still there. > > So the similar pattern is based on the absense of > notes? Yeah, I get it > but it seems like a stretch to call this fractal > music. And do you call the > repating pattern recursive? It seems to repeat at > only one level. > > This may produce some interesting resutls, but > another example would be if > you created a 1 minute looping piece, composed of as > many parts you like, > copied it, doubled it's speed, copy it again, and > then past it in a new > track so you have the original loop repeating within > itself twice, but at > double speed. You could do this indefinitely, > copying those two double speed > parts, double speeding them, and then copying the > four new loops in a third > track, and so on....good grief, I'd love to hear > this. Can you do it Rainer? > I dare you...fill up all 8 Mobius tracks. Your last > track would consist of > 128 copies of your first track loop, each running at > 8 times the speed. To > illustrate the effect, you could create the whole > 8-track piece, and then > play it back, staring only one track up at a > time...so we can hear the > additions. I may try it myself, if I can muster the > time today to program > Mobius to copy loops. > > >> "similar" fashion inside itself. Remember, the > extreme or > >> ideal example her is that of a holographic plate, > where you > >> can break it in half and see the original images > preserved, > > > > No, you can't. You lose half of the angles of > aspect. > > What I meant to say, repeated at > http://www.smithsrisca.demon.co.uk/holonomic-theory.html > is that "the entire > image can be recreated from any one portion of the > plate. That is to say, if > a hologram is broken in half each half can still be > used, on its own, to > reproduce the whole image. And if each half is > broken into quarters, all > four quarters can still be used, on their own, to > reproduce the whole image. > And so on with practically no theoretical limit. All > that happens is that > every fragmentation simply reduces the clarity of > the image. A hologram, in > other words, obeys its own version of the Law of > Mass Action." > > > > Rainer > > > > Kris > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D65993BEF5; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <163001c6dc19$e8555f40$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6T0sJC.A.M-H.neDEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > What I'm looking for (in software hopefully) is > something that slowly changes a perameter over very > long lengths automatically. Like modulating a filter > (delay or any other effect) with a sine wave, but have > the sine wave have a period of 10-20 minutes. > > Anyone know of something that'll do that? A VST? > Reaktor .ens? I think that would be a really cool way > to produce an interesting effect like the ah ah ah ah > loop in Laurie Anderson's Oh Superman. I didn't think I'd ever be saying this, but.....MAX/MSP. :) I've been told that you can program patches in MAX/MSP so that just about any input (MIDI or even a particular note or frequency) can trigger an event, and you can define that event down to the gnat's ass. This is so way over my head right now, however, as I'm still working on building a VST host in MAX/MSP.....eventually, I will get to this sort of stuff. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35CE13BF0A; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <163001c6dc19$e8555f40$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <163001c6dc19$e8555f40$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:43:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I didn't think I'd ever be saying this, but.....MAX/MSP. :) > > I've been told that you can program patches in MAX/MSP so that just=20 > about any input (MIDI or even a particular note or frequency) can=20 > trigger an event, and you can define that event down to the gnat's=20 > ass. This is so way over my head right now, however, as I'm still=20 > working on building a VST host in MAX/MSP.....eventually, I will get=20= > to this sort of stuff. Nice, Kris! Long duration parameter changes can be handled easily in max/msp using=20= a variety of methods..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4C8A3BF13; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAFbXD0WBT4okAgIHAgwHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060919193315.01ab96e8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:45:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:45:52 +0000 (UTC) >Call me a skeptic or a pain in the ass (whichever you prefer), or >call me dense because I am overlooking the obvious here, but aside >from the trendiness of calling a piece of music fractal because it >is based on mathematical manipulation of notes, can someone provide >another example that illustrates the concept of recursive similarity? > >Kris hi Kris, No, I don't think Rainer's examples are fractal either. (His understanding of Holograms is perfect though ;-) The obvious example of fractal sound is white noise. Some gamelan music approximates a fractal, with slow moving bass and progressively faster layers at higher pitch. How about a plug-in that feeds back double speed sections of the input recursively? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CA633BEF9; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <164e01c6dc1c$a7d1d720$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001501c6dc0a$0c44d8a0$0101a8c0@succubus> <15bc01c6dc0d$2dab1470$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060919193315.01ab96e8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:51:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <-Z9ucD.A.lGB.ExDEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:51:48 +0000 (UTC) > How about a plug-in that feeds back double speed sections of the > input recursively? > > andy butler Oh, this would be frightenly attactive. Better yet, can one of the Mobius gurus write a script that just does this automatically as I described it in my last response? I'm guessing it's probably basic...though I'd be interested to know how Mobius handles all the copying and rate changes, filling up all 8 tracks. Imagine that...one script button that takes your single loop in a track and explodes it into fractal mayhem. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 18:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2243BF04; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IQwz2kIPOkYj36y5mgiF+6dXGn8MKNawIXTNb2cnj4AKqBhYONHsIBdBkRnDA7yYl0jubJ9Zf0z5jJwn7D8Ql775xJhMNJhB5dR3psq/jFbKDUxYVJkkzKmIrHjzU8FgvlZ/MI+ZdhUR/UlggFse9hVVzV+lT7rKPI4tE8Zr0zI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:52:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) On 19 sep 2006, at 20.26, mark sottilaro wrote: > What I'm looking for (in software hopefully) is > something that slowly changes a perameter over very > long lengths automatically. Like modulating a filter > (delay or any other effect) with a sine wave, but have > the sine wave have a period of 10-20 minutes. --> Funny answer: Musicians do that. Activate a functionality named "improvisation". --> Serious answer: 1) Numerology (host appl for OSX). http://www.five12.com/ My favorite controller GUI in Numerology is the TripleXY window. Three X/Y vectors that together control six parameters. You dot somewhere in the X/Y field to set values for the two parameters controlled by one vector. Then there is this genius function called "glide" that is simply slowing down the move from one set of XY parameters (first dot) to the next (second dot). You can set glide for very long periods so the parameters will change values slooo- slooo-slooo... oh-sooo.... slooowley.... In Numerology there are also some LFO modules that can be slowed down and set to target any parameter in an instrument or effect. (Numerology is OSX only and works through the AU protocol and the audio/MIDI support that is built in the Mac system). 2) Ableton Live. Set up a bunch of clip envelopes with long duration (no upper limit really) and let them change the target parameter. 3) Mobius. Scripting. Do it like this: Set first value for the targeted parameter, set a subcycle's wait, set the second parameter value, another subcycle's wait, third value etc etc. My first try with this was to create a tremolo, but it didn't work very well. Then I created a one minute sinus curve of Rate Shift (pitch and speed, like a turntable being touched) and that one is great fun. It spans two octaves in pitch, so I wouldn't precisely call it a sublime effect. ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 19:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06B2E3BF04; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69A0@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <164e01c6dc1c$a7d1d720$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Thread-Index: AcbcHKqk/XKjdw1hSq+4zRdGE/NaZAAA2kEw From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <7h5OjC.A.11C.MUEEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:29:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Krispen Hartung > Oh, this would be frightenly attactive. Better yet, can one of the Mobius=20 > gurus write a script that just does this automatically as I described it in=20 > my last response? I'm guessing it's probably basic...though I'd be=20 > interested to know how Mobius handles all the copying and rate changes,=20 > filling up all 8 tracks. Imagine that...one script button that takes your=20 > single loop in a track and explodes it into fractal mayhem. Instantly filling 8 tracks with multiples of a source track is relatively easy. I'm not in a position to test this, but it would go something like this: set trackCopy sound Track2 Wait last InstantMultiply 2 Track3 Wait last InstantMultiply 2 Track4 ... The problem is the rate shifts. You are currently limited to=20 two octaves up or down, so you would have to record the first track with Rate -24, set the second to -12, then 0, 12, 24...and you hit the ceiling. We would have to add 4 more octaves of shift. set trackCopy sound Track2 Wait last InstantMultiply 2 Rate -12 Track3 Wait last InstantMultiply 2 Rate 0 ... Beyond that, you'd have to be careful with overload. The source track is essentially going to become 8 times as loud, so each track will need some gain reduction. =20 set trackCopy sound set output 90 Track2 Wait last InstantMultiply 2 Rate -12 set output 90 Track3 ... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 19:44:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B477E3BF15; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <165d01c6dc24$09605780$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69A0@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:44:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) So that limitiation is applied to all 8 tracks as a system even if your source track changes? For some reason, I thought if you copied track 2 and pasted in track 3, then applied a rate shift of +12 or -12 that it would treat it as a new source track, rather than a second rate shift applied to track 1. Or are you just saying that Mobius can handle so many rate shifts occuring simultaneously regardless if applied to the same source track copied, or not. > The problem is the rate shifts. You are currently limited to two octaves up or down, so you would have to record the first track with Rate -24, set the second to -12, then 0, 12, 24...and you hit the ceiling. We would have to add 4 more octaves of shift. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 19:45:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046F53BF1A; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:45:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c6dc24$1b71bd10$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69A0@keel.sailpoint.com> Thread-Index: AcbcHKqk/XKjdw1hSq+4zRdGE/NaZAAA2kEwAAD09MA= Resent-Message-ID: <48lI9B.A.YqD.JjEEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:45:13 +0000 (UTC) > The problem is the rate shifts. You are currently limited to > two octaves up or down, so you would have to record the first > track with Rate -24, set the second to -12, then 0, 12, > 24...and you hit the ceiling. We would have to add 4 more > octaves of shift. Can't I get around this by simply bouncing a track running at rate0 to a track running at rate-12, then setting this track to rate0 and do the same? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 19:55:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875263BF04; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:55:10 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060919193315.01ab96e8@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcbcG9VzbB3Hg0bgTzKFt1BtuHp83AACN/1g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:55:13 +0000 (UTC) > No, I don't think Rainer's examples are fractal either. And you're right about that. It's not fractal, and Kris' example with the eight tracks of mobius is not fractal, either. > The obvious example of fractal sound is white noise. Why? I do not see the scale invariant relationship in white noise here, it's simple an ergodic (or almost statistac) thing. What about a perfect sawtooth wave? Repetitions of the basic sine at every multiple of it... > Some gamelan music approximates a fractal, with slow moving > bass and progressively faster layers at higher pitch. But here I don't see how it is different to my (first) example with the two voices... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 20:54:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0CD83BF11; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Aa2t7X8+evGhF0ThSahNP0XRieJhKlUvhVWEqzV6HvGadNECzEVCGNVg2Yi0T77Bw+7eoYVt3L74ck04AWwELR7UU1CF/XugG8frVCIdopN/PkP26GzTlmRDiDSBWKNyd96fI6D1yIKuwuMDXVBd2BboAxk9tMLpNbmIl8HCGk8= ; Message-ID: <20060919205406.99075.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Per: Da Man. Thanks again, Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 19 sep 2006, at 20.26, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > What I'm looking for (in software hopefully) is > > something that slowly changes a perameter over > very > > long lengths automatically. Like modulating a > filter > > (delay or any other effect) with a sine wave, but > have > > the sine wave have a period of 10-20 minutes. > > --> Funny answer: > Musicians do that. Activate a functionality named > "improvisation". > > --> Serious answer: > 1) Numerology (host appl for OSX). > http://www.five12.com/ > My favorite controller GUI in Numerology is the > TripleXY window. > Three X/Y vectors that together control six > parameters. You dot > somewhere in the X/Y field to set values for the two > parameters > controlled by one vector. Then there is this genius > function called > "glide" that is simply slowing down the move from > one set of XY > parameters (first dot) to the next (second dot). You > can set glide > for very long periods so the parameters will change > values slooo- > slooo-slooo... oh-sooo.... slooowley.... > > In Numerology there are also some LFO modules that > can be slowed down > and set to target any parameter in an instrument or > effect. > > (Numerology is OSX only and works through the AU > protocol and the > audio/MIDI support that is built in the Mac system). > > 2) Ableton Live. > Set up a bunch of clip envelopes with long duration > (no upper limit > really) and let them change the target parameter. > > 3) Mobius. > Scripting. Do it like this: Set first value for the > targeted > parameter, set a subcycle's wait, set the second > parameter value, > another subcycle's wait, third value etc etc. My > first try with this > was to create a tremolo, but it didn't work very > well. Then I created > a one minute sinus curve of Rate Shift (pitch and > speed, like a > turntable being touched) and that one is great fun. > It spans two > octaves in pitch, so I wouldn't precisely call it a > sublime effect. ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 21:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0198E3BF0D; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:46:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69BE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c6dc24$1b71bd10$0101a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Thread-Index: AcbcHKqk/XKjdw1hSq+4zRdGE/NaZAAA2kEwAAD09MAAAlhO8A== From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Krispen Hartung > For some reason, I thought if you copied track 2 and=20 > pasted in track 3, then applied a rate shift of +12 or -12 that it would=20 > treat it as a new source track, rather than a second rate shift applied to=20 > track 1.=20 It does, and that is the problem. Rate shift is like adding reverb at the output, it is an effect that does not actually modify the loop. So if track 2 has Rate +12, you copy track 2 to track 3 and give track 3 Rate +12, the result is not +24 of track 1. It is still=20 just +12 of track 1.=20 If the goal is to make each track +12 of the previous, you can't do this by copying and setting rate +12, the rates have to=20 be 12, 24, 36, 48, etc. and we can only go to 24 right now. As Rainer says, one workaround is to bounce tracks rather than=20 copy them. Bouncing is a real-time process that captures the output of the track not the "source" of the track. So you apply a=20 successive +12 shift to each bounce and go into the stratosphere. The problem here is that bouncing is not instantaneous, you have to let the loop play once to bounce the track. Jeff=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:25:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10DB83BF19; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060919182613.5257.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:25:18 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > Dont' forget that the harmonic structure of > songs/progressions can mimic the harmonic structure of > a tone... though I'm not sure if that makes anything > more "Fractal." > > What I'm looking for (in software hopefully) is > something that slowly changes a perameter over very > long lengths automatically. Like modulating a filter > (delay or any other effect) with a sine wave, but have > the sine wave have a period of 10-20 minutes. > > Anyone know of something that'll do that? A VST? > Reaktor .ens? I think that would be a really cool way > to produce an interesting effect like the ah ah ah ah > loop in Laurie Anderson's Oh Superman. Not entirely responsive to your specs, but I managed a 3minute modulation with Moog moogerfooger effects a while back. Here: "If you have a CP-251 control processor. Turn the LFO rate all the way down, patch the square wave into the Rate input, and the waveform at the triangle wave output will be a falling sawtooth wave of 1/60 Hz (actually the one I measured came in at 55 seconds/cycle - pretty dang close). If you want a rising sawtooth, run it through the mixer and use the inverting output." CP-251 *set LFO Rate to minimum *connect TRS cable from square out of LFO into the red Rate jack, then a 2nd TRS cable from the triangular out to the phaser. gives me dead on three minutes on my gear - 180 seconds from the vertical peak of the rising sawtooth to the next vertical peak. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53DB93BF29; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16b001c6dc3b$4b39faf0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69BE@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:31:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:31:07 +0000 (UTC) That works for me! I expect Rainer will be sending a URL to an MP3 shortly. :) I may have missed it, but did you send the script code for what you describe below? We should post this on the mobius yahoo group. K- > As Rainer says, one workaround is to bounce tracks rather than copy them. Bouncing is a real-time process that captures the output of the track not the "source" of the track. So you apply a successive +12 shift to each bounce and go into the stratosphere. The problem here is that bouncing is not instantaneous, you have to let the loop play once to bounce the track. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903DD3BF1F; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PqRAj++urR5l1FPURgDBMTSlumiTwrH91d/whVy6ZpIxx2fGHZ6/szLcQffmFeh6TmRLUuu5bmExmpc2ThdlCbvXOZG/V8lgjG+jCxZpjZtTnN+xmKWp0RuqdgcdYbxubef5xbr9fNnxfpml/Y3MkCZKmvRQKg/xjw5iAdgZ2WI= ; Message-ID: <20060919223229.7613.qmail@web60611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Fata Subject: OT: Rocktron All Access & Expression pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060919170101.B62FB3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Sorry for the OT but this pedal has been the topic in the past and I was hoping for some info. I now use the All Access and it's great with the EDP. Prior to the purchase, I used the EFC-7 and a Boss FV-50L connected direct to the EDP for feedback control. No problems there. I'm using CC's with the AA & EDP. The pedal range is set for 0 to 127. When I try to make an adjustment with the pedal to reduce feedback, (say to reduce from 127 down to 100) to fade my loop content so I can continue adding new stuff, I bring the pedal back to max and my loop starts to fade away. It does not fade to the background and stay put, it fades away. Also, with this pedal at max the EDP reads 121. The side adjustment pot is set to zero too. Now I've also used the AA with the Boss FV-100 and everything works as one would expect. You make your pedal adjustment to reduce FB, loop content fades a bit, pedal back to max and continue playing. My question is this, what are other AA owners using for expression pedals? I'd like to use a smaller type of foot pedal, the FV-100 is big. I like the size of the FV-50L. Eventually I'd like to mount everything to a pedalboard and I'd like to keep the size down. Thanks, Fred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C602D3BF37; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kV7CB3eHIBuuoCeA7UXnKzdSFRCbg+KqNv8YTk2rHbARysozWQygeon3PVj4TRmXbjCXFhBpjMxRkxh9Wg+Xun/a5DKYuXGlcqEn2pgmPiXU5bsScGE4ykpREheZecrdwthz8d9Ekhkw+Voef41WsRSieVgx89h0WvJt3ZGPVgs= ; Message-ID: <20060919224237.26505.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Ive been listening to this album lately and is just insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop devices nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear for this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live without some sort of preprogramed sequencers! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416033BF3D; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060919224237.26505.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060919224237.26505.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:48:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112091eafc6d9c93ab8893776b29a604d8804165b8085336bc12350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.239.130.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:48:26 +0000 (UTC) No, Jeff isn't using any looping devices. All of that stuff you hear is a product of Andy Wright and David Torn's production. >Ive been listening to this album lately and is just >insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop devices >nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear for >this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live without >some sort of preprogramed sequencers! >cheers >Luis > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3AE3BF27; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qALSc27GjU5V7BuRDe6cslk/P/8C/xpr1RQWIO+IZiO6fBAcBWSa2CTKbuYb1ztJg/EBtIHc8VHZyLikjvtkgbetnstJn2gL6YZJkLHI1YKhp+f13754ll0m+24WW8J1yPcsGxvJPxDAemEBOT2L8pquCkowrm0IEme3MaL6RVY= ; Message-ID: <20060919225858.90160.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E881941-E717-4112-8A06-D61A3EB60207@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant Per! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 19 sep 2006, at 08.28, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > I just wouldnt risk plying somewhere I know to be > wrong... what > > would be the point??? Door money??? I dont think > so! LOL!! > > The only reason I can think of is for pure fun, > eventually brought by > such a "sociological/musical experiment". I was once > booked to play > at a beer bar's "singer-songwriter's evening", > against that fact that > I warned them and said "I won't play any known songs > and I can't tell > you which instrument I will use, or what it will > sound like, until > I'm standing there on the stage". When I played it > was miles out of > the club concept but the funny thing is that it was > appreciated by > most people. Which was a big surprise to me, then > ;-D > > I use to think about this future concept of doing an > "Instant > Misplacement Tour". The idea is to have a very cheap > and portable > looping rig and some records to sell (to secure > income) and then play > at places that are completely "wrong". I do not > think about this as a > way of "confronting people" but more as a way of > "winning them > over" (and I think this difference in attitude is > the clue to what > will make it work) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 23:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A68D3BF1E; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vXIM09IxatNcXYXjS2Q8pHFjMrpp/OlQwADab+uVhQzwe/4ipjJp0q6Ax2PKG5x+rRh9KZQa4Cklh7xrPklnkW0MM+EZ6oDmQ5dBok4KGeGZhjoN/oBEK7uF9cu/2heXbL6DMPL9hyAeOMba4oa8jnwP7HHeXn+jZa1LH5z9Sf0= ; Message-ID: <20060919231240.4461.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Well look at you all analog! ;) mp3? I'd love to hear this effect. --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Not entirely responsive to your specs, but I managed > a 3minute modulation > with Moog moogerfooger effects a while back. Here: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 23:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EF1D3BF2C; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ALkWKRViWZRDPWuZVkvlfrwdO5sz/9UyEjUqk50DE56I0gpDttV3yE+cj+kZGdVzUToTG0fKofUsq5Y0zH0M1I7+csnono2X4f9rr5fpEPoNurUxkbTVtzKuZ7OQcCCiD94+J35s/SLuW+w9quATsF3IvcMd32EoPj84wl6b56s= ; Message-ID: <20060919232117.71905.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RE: ? re: really "weird" solo loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004101c6dbb4$c9e852c0$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Thats precisely the problem,this are the only clubs offering live music and hiring musicians,it used to be galeries and museums but that has gone down at least here where i live.So ive taken a chance at times(and actually at the request of the same bar owners) to do something different,but i know now that as open as they might seem their concept of "different" is different than mine and based on selling drinks and keeping the crowd in;-) I just love getting outhere and play,there is only so much u can learn by sitting in your room and i always learn something from every gig wether good or bad. The irony is that even though maybe i wont be called back in such places it has gotten me other gigs in the right places.I did a gig 2 weeks ago at an art expo from a local artist who saw me and i offered to play for free after he said he didnt have a budget, but he liked it so much that he offered to pay me with one of his paintings,this offcourse is very rewarding! Luis --- "markfrancombe.com" wrote: > Im interested that you guys even risk playing "Irish > pubs" or "coffee bars"!!! (Altho I realise that > Coffee bars are a "thing" in th US) > Here in Europe (OSlo to be specific) I could play > every weekend at some such weird venue or other, (if > only I could get off my ass to arrange it...(still > feel guilty Rick!!!) ) > > I always play in front of completely appreciative > crowds where I am often the more "musical" of a > bunch of acts... as in "I play notes occasionally". > Or maybe I'm just spoilt by living in the Oslo Noise > scene for the last 8 years... > I just wouldnt risk plying somewhere I know to be > wrong... what would be the point??? Door money??? I > dont think so! LOL!! > > I remember one gig I did with The cranes tho, in > um... snowy place... um.. damn it... ahh yes > Vermont! Where, after the show our manager came back > from the office with a grim look, "Lets go" he > said... "unless you guys can play Freebird or > someting" We looked at each other wondering... whats > Freebird??? Apparently, the scene in the Venue > office was... Club owner with gun on table, saying.. > IM not gonna pay you, gotta problem with that? > We of course did what any sensible band would do in > such circumstances... put suger in his pick-ups > petrol tank and drove like the wind outta state!!! > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes > for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 23:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D190D3BF24; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=33y1wp32kJSw3RwDg31VM2hUlqG/8TJoLgNToBtRnl7csN4UyN9lnfdJneIT11WJtqzEMequ0RMnUl4JLXBs3LmQa0DV/WLrE9yc9+xWjYkfswdTNrWLhNpl/Vp8i10L8bxYjkItOCgXiTanCn6smGuIpQ7kAIv1/2AAEdcjjB8= ; Message-ID: <20060919233414.30745.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <14fa01c6dba3$e48b89a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Thats a great idea Kris the only problem is that my auxs are already taken by EDPs;-( Perhaps routing the treble side of the acoustic pickup into the mono lexicon(if i get one eventually) and the bass pickup into my roland effects proccessor could work well,I was running the pickup system summed in mono previously which sounded thin compared to going straight into the mixer with a bit of reverb man what a difference! acoustic guitar is new territory for me and i thank u all for your input! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, it's easy to test. Just run a stereo processor > into the LXP1, which > has some stereo imaging, and listen if the imaging > is preserved. It is NOT > preserved with the LXP5, unfortunately. The LXP5 > also has stereo inputs, L > and R, which doesn't necessarily mean true stereo > separation of the input. A > damn shame. Thought when I used my LXP1, I ran it > through the AUX of my > mixer board....mono Aux send of the mixer into one > of the LXP1 mono inputs, > and LXP1 stereo out into a stereo channel of my > Mackie....worked like a > charm. I suppose you could do the same with the > LXP5. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > To: "Loop" > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:47 PM > Subject: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect > processor) > > > > >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono > input??;-((( > >>i am gonna cry! > >>Luis > > > > Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual > and it says nothing > > about summing the input to mono. There are two > inputs on the back > > panel, either one will work as a mono input or use > both for stereo. Or > > did I miss something? > > > > Kevin > > > >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > >> > > >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the > >> LXP-1 > >> >> is very nice. > >> >> Cheers > >> >> Lou > >> > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be > the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the > root cause of all trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 01:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CC593BF21; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45109B0C.5070209@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:36:12 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) References: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >>No, I don't think Rainer's examples are fractal either. > > > And you're right about that. It's not fractal, and Kris' example with the > eight tracks of mobius is not fractal, either. I work with fractals a bit in my day job. One way to look at them is to consider that you can generate them by repeated rescale/replace cycles. It's pretty obvious how to use this rhythmically--generate e.g. a drum pattern, make a sped-up copy of the pattern, and replace each note of the original one with one of the sped-up copies. Lather, rinse, repeat. You could make things even "fractaler" by applying the same method to pitch, if you don't mind jettisoning the twelve-note-per-octave chromatic scale. Play a chord. Pick one note as the root. Note the ratios of the frequencies of all the other notes to that of the root. Scale the ratios by a number much less than one, generating a new "chord" whose pitches are likely much closer together than a half step. Replace each note in the original chord with a copy of the "chord," pitch-shifted to the original root. Repeat until traumatized. Something like this would be much easier to do with, say, csound than in real time with with a fretted instrument. And, like a lot of other applications of mathematics to music, I'm guessing that in practice this is a lot less musically useful than it sounds. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 03:01:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD333BEF7; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <173601c6dc61$09431ed0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> <45109B0C.5070209@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:01:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8xJirB.A.n7G.97KEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:01:17 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Good" > You could make things even "fractaler" by applying the same method to > pitch, if you don't mind jettisoning the twelve-note-per-octave chromatic > scale. Play a chord. Pick one note as the root. Note the ratios of the > frequencies of all the other notes to that of the root. Scale the ratios > by a number much less than one, generating a new "chord" whose pitches are > likely much closer together than a half step. Replace each note in the > original chord with a copy of the "chord," pitch-shifted to the original > root. Repeat until traumatized. I like this. Now this is starting to seem like the fractal examples I am accustomed to reading about or seeing. By the way, having a background in philosophy, I discovered that some of Leibniz' thoughts influenced fractal theory, which makes a lot of sense to me in the above example. He built a metaphysical system of thought, his depiction of the universe, which consisted of an infinite number of "monads"...sort of like self-contained "windowless" metaphysical atoms. According to his system each monad is a world unto itself, in that it reflects the whole like a mirror. It's a bizarre theory, very spooky. In short, each part reflects some nature of the whole, as in the example above with those chords, as in the phenomenon of holographic images (though only in similarity, not exactness, to appease Rainer and Andy)....the whole is the big monad, or "Modad" as I like to call it. :) By the way, Leibniz looked like a modern rock star: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz "Mandelbrot's well-known fractal geometry drew on Leibniz's notions of self-similarity and the principle of continuity: natura non facit saltus. We also see that when Leibniz wrote, in a metaphysical vein, that "the straight line is a curve, any part of which is similar to the whole..." he was anticipating topology by more than two centuries." Here is another really interesting article on Leibniz' monads and their fractal properties...fascinating. Now I want to go back and read his Monadology again. Another analogy to fractal theory, which actuallyl came before fractal theory is the Rationalist theory of knowledge (Leibniz was a Rationalist by the way, so this makes sense), such as from Decartes and Spinoza. One might describe Descartes system of knowledge by the "pocket paradox" analogy, wherebye putting my hand in my own pocket, I can tell what is in the contents of someone else's pocket, direct knowledge with no empirical data. Likewise, according to Rationalists, you can actually reveal the secrets of the universe (truths) via the mind alone...again, that concept of the whole being contained in each part in some fashion. The cosmos inside the mind, such that we can metaphorically "view" its structure and deduce truths. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 03:27:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197B73BEDB; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <176201c6dc64$b8137100$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060919233414.30745.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:27:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:27:39 +0000 (UTC) You could split your AUX outs of your board so that you can route them to more than two units. I've done this before successfully...then you just run the output of the LXP1 or LXP5 into a stereo channel of the board, like they do at big concerts (they don't use the AUX return of boards, but actual board channels so that they can EQ it, control it with a fader, etc); I used to use a cheap y-cable to split one of my AUX outs on my Mackie board. That way I could run them to three separate effects processors and then back into the board in stereo. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect processor) > Thats a great idea Kris the only problem is that my > auxs are already taken by EDPs;-( > Perhaps routing the treble side of the acoustic pickup > into the mono lexicon(if i get one eventually) and the > bass pickup into my roland effects proccessor could > work well,I was running the pickup system summed in > mono previously which sounded thin compared to going > straight into the mixer with a bit of reverb man what > a difference! > acoustic guitar is new territory for me and i thank u > all for your input! > Luis > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, it's easy to test. Just run a stereo processor >> into the LXP1, which >> has some stereo imaging, and listen if the imaging >> is preserved. It is NOT >> preserved with the LXP5, unfortunately. The LXP5 >> also has stereo inputs, L >> and R, which doesn't necessarily mean true stereo >> separation of the input. A >> damn shame. Thought when I used my LXP1, I ran it >> through the AUX of my >> mixer board....mono Aux send of the mixer into one >> of the LXP1 mono inputs, >> and LXP1 stereo out into a stereo channel of my >> Mackie....worked like a >> charm. I suppose you could do the same with the >> LXP5. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >> To: "Loop" >> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:47 PM >> Subject: LXP-5/1 (was 1/2 rack stereo effect >> processor) >> >> >> > >Oh man...i love lexicons but why mono >> input??;-((( >> >>i am gonna cry! >> >>Luis >> > >> > Why do you say its mono input? I have the manual >> and it says nothing >> > about summing the input to mono. There are two >> inputs on the back >> > panel, either one will work as a mono input or use >> both for stereo. Or >> > did I miss something? >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> >> > --- Louis Rossi wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I'd find a used Lexicon LXP. The reverb on the >> >> LXP-1 >> >> >> is very nice. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Lou >> >> >> > -- >> > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be >> the body and to have a >> > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the >> root cause of all trouble. >> > >> > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> > >> > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 03:58:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC483BEE9; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4510BC79.4040107@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:58:49 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) References: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> <45109B0C.5070209@adelphia.net> <173601c6dc61$09431ed0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <173601c6dc61$09431ed0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I like this. Now this is starting to seem like the fractal examples I am > accustomed to reading about or seeing. > In short, each part reflects some nature of the whole, as in the example > above with those chords, as in the phenomenon of holographic images > (though only in similarity, not exactness, to appease Rainer and > Andy)....the whole is the big monad, or "Modad" as I like to call it. :) Well, most of the naturally-occurring fractal structures I know about, e.g. soot particles, aerogels, etc., are only statistically fractal; they don't contain scaled-down exact duplicates of their larger structure. > Here is another really interesting article on Leibniz' monads and their > fractal properties...fascinating. Now I want to go back and read his > Monadology again. Monadology...what a great name for a bebop tune. > Another analogy to fractal theory, which actuallyl came before fractal > theory is the Rationalist theory of knowledge (Leibniz was a Rationalist > by the way, so this makes sense), such as from Decartes and Spinoza. > One might describe Descartes system of knowledge by the "pocket paradox" > analogy, wherebye putting my hand in my own pocket, I can tell what is > in the contents of someone else's pocket, direct knowledge with no > empirical data. Likewise, according to Rationalists, you can actually > reveal the secrets of the universe (truths) via the mind alone...again, > that concept of the whole being contained in each part in some fashion. > The cosmos inside the mind, such that we can metaphorically "view" its > structure and deduce truths. > > Kris I wonder if you could make a broad argument that this (the hand in the pocket trick) in some way presaged quantum entanglement? Nah, too much of a stretch. Anyway, I think you've just tripled my knowledge of philosophy. Thanks. :-) Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 06:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C303BECA; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aShNl+cFyHXb489H1l1LZ3Fc/bywNsDkIyk95rxXJuKa2TOgtrksXy7kMQSPInyfP8FK7OKJyFCsmJzCYdDIGNJDTNXvijHgezf9vGYxjAm2qtFNjH/I7zh7KYSrBT97+pGGJ9X0ge0Hd+O4Z4SNG94MuP3HA9I7WJuFg6YKxdw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060919224237.26505.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060919224237.26505.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:26:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:27:05 +0000 (UTC) On 20 sep 2006, at 00.42, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Ive been listening to this album lately and is just > insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop devices > nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear for > this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live without > some sort of preprogramed sequencers! > cheers > Luis On 20 sep 2006, at 00.48, Charles Zwicky wrote: > No, Jeff isn't using any looping devices. All of that stuff you > hear is a product of Andy Wright and David Torn's production. Back when it was released (2003?) I read an interview with Beck and he was obviously impressed with about Andy's post treatments in Protools. Basically cutting stuff up, reversing, re-pitching, copying and moving slices etc. But done on the recording, not performed in real-time by the musician while the source audio was performed. As I understand, many of us loopers on this list work in similar ways; first recordiing a unique live looping performance and then taking it to another level by careful DAW editing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 08:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0EF73BEDB; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAANGZEEWBToomAgIHBAoHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060920080134.01bcda60@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:41:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: AW: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060919193315.01ab96e8@tiscali.co.uk> <000f01c6dc25$83ddf520$0101a8c0@succubus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:41:16 +0000 (UTC) At 20:55 19/09/2006, you wrote: > > The obvious example of fractal sound is white noise. > >Why? I do not see the scale invariant relationship in white noise here, it's >simple an ergodic (or almost statistac) thing. One of the classic examples of a natural fractal is a coastline, the join between the sea and land. However much you zoom in on it, there's the same amount of detail. ...and white noise sounds the same at any playback speed. > What about a perfect sawtooth >wave? Repetitions of the basic sine at every multiple of it... > > > Some gamelan music approximates a fractal, with slow moving > > bass and progressively faster layers at higher pitch. > >But here I don't see how it is different to my (first) example with the two >voices... Yes, it's similar, but has a lot more layers. A genuine fractal would have infinite layers of increasing detail, and for me just having 2 layers doesn't hint at that at all. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 09:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8563BEDD; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IPtTbkq2BvstFPINmkH7GNK3aQ/DHAVUnfSiSPS0C3ikxvxYVLtZIhWsmLeSI184zzgrF1OlpntqB1CM9z9v0WWcktUeZC5Bg0QyVG/m1jXC5lKooAaitkbF7eD7H3EwCb7RjHWD7Rdk6P9BoMA1bO9NmyFRVkphBs5TyqGpDgY= Message-ID: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:05:41 -0700 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: loopers-delight Subject: digitech jamman details?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering maybe Jamman has some more features: 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the playback? 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase during overdubbing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 09:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE53A3BEE1; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: really "weird" solo loopers... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:13:16 +0200 Message-ID: <004401c6dc95$02158380$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060919225858.90160.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acbcf33SQEah6uKIQAea0uunsLCSIgAFOhEw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:13:29 +0000 (UTC) to get back on topic, I'm just listening to a really weird solo looper, and if you're quick, you can too: Christof Dienz: Tapping to Hell Dienz (from Austria) plays the zither in a very unusual way, and he uses loops a lot. Lots of fun !! go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/mixingit/pip/p8ih5/ to listen to the current issue of Mixing It where the zither piece is played as the second track. This Mixing It issue is up there for one or two more days. The composer's website is at http://www.dienz.at. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 10:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4433BEDD; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Very long morphs (was: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <20060919231240.4461.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060919231240.4461.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:15:44 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > Well look at you all analog! ;) mp3? I'd love to > hear this effect. I'll reassemble this and try to record an example shortly, if you like. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> Not entirely responsive to your specs, but I managed >> a 3minute modulation >> with Moog moogerfooger effects a while back. Here: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 10:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018143BEDF; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? In-Reply-To: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <_CfJYC.A.87F.cXREFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:20:12 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Jenny Daskalaki wrote: > Hi everybody > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > maybe Jamman has some more features: > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > playback? > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > during overdubbing? I have a Boss RC20XL and a Digitech Jamman. As I understand the Jamman's operation, and reading your questions, I believe the answers to you questions are No, No, and No. If I understand your question #3 correctly, I'm not sure any hardware looper other than the Digital Echoplex Pro can do that. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 13:32:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4B53BED6; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5JYxRyWOvJtWg4x5LXZyzG/YihTeq135SA== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:32:07 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J655a.4d7bS.0389M" Message-Id: <20060920.063208.752.341051@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:4213151464 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.148|webmail08.nyc.untd.com|webmail08.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:32:57 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J655a.4d7bS.0389M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Ive been listening to this album lately and is just > insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop devices > nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear for > this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live without > some sort of preprogramed sequencers! > cheers > Luis Speaking of Jeff Beck, I saw him on 9-9-6 at the House of Blues in Myrtl= e Beach. He did not use a looper but it was a wonderful show which last= ed almost 2 hours, very inspiring! = Weg ----__JWM__J655a.4d7bS.0389M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

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    ----__JWM__J655a.4d7bS.0389M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 14:54:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6623BED6; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060920.063208.752.341051@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> References: <20060920.063208.752.341051@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:54:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112091eafc6d9c93ab88ccb9e40aa7f692f4c839d1b4ccd7d4ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.239.130.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:54:50 +0000 (UTC) I worked with Jeff in 2003 and his favorite album at the time was Splattercell. David is also a friend and he got the remix gig from Jeff, who was unhappy with Andy's methods. The only 'loop' hardware in Jeff's rig is a TC2290 set up as a delay to his custom marshall wedges... Steve Prior is Jeff's guitar tech. He's a great guy and formerly was guitar tech to : Rory Gallagher, Brian May and David Gilmore... what a life! > Ive been listening to this album lately and is just >> insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop devices >> nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear for >> this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live without >> some sort of preprogramed sequencers! >> cheers >> Luis > >Speaking of Jeff Beck, I saw him on 9-9-6 at the House of Blues in >Myrtle Beach. He did not use a looper but it was a wonderful show >which lasted almost 2 hours, very inspiring! > > > >Weg -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 16:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7FE3BED0; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060920165454690.A88661C0162C@mwinf0507.orange.fr Message-ID: <4511725D.90203@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:54:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fractal loops (was: keeping loops interesting) References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69BE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F69BE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > The problem here is that bouncing is not instantaneous, you have > to let the loop play once to bounce the track. But watching a fractal grow was always more fun than the finished picture... There is not only a limit in the machines, there is also a limit in our ears and/or perception. If you do rythmical fractals, you will pretty fast create sounds instead of rythms and you need to leave enough holes to still hear the rythms... And if thouse sounds sound nice is another question... So maybe the other way around is better, take a (nice) sound and go higher till you hear a rythm. But if this rythms sounds nice... Endless space for experimentation... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 23:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B931E3BED5; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: loopmaster vst Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:22:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't check out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 08:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78353BEC5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09bb01c6dd57$13055e50$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: loopmaster vst Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:22:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Thursday, 21 September, 2006 00:22 AM Subject: loopmaster vst > New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't check out. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 08:43:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859E83BEC1; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: loopers loopers delight From: Heinzen Marco Subject: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:43:39 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:43:49 +0000 (UTC) hi there little loop project from switzerland www.myspace.com/maniczench Marco Heinzen MANIC ZEN PRODUCTIONZ Neustadtstrasse 24 6003 Luzern +41412500920 HOME +41793474342 NATEL manic-zen@manic-zen.ch www.manic-zen.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 09:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3293BEDC; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BsC/hHWGj416o2mNO+fq29EupBYe40FtNxmzff4lncicByWc7tyhpENhTrtFPAL+3fwR7icsGGEUl95dGOZ9Igllx9DKQGemRldkdhjO23opTS6CTVcPGCY8TurOKbmcdUwepHPbVxcH/TLiRZ1QjBsb5m60h8VjuZN4zpRLJwY= Message-ID: <50d04990609210214s7aae91ceqca96c36fde7b156f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:14:05 -0700 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:14:07 +0000 (UTC) 2006/9/20, burnett@pobox.com : > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Jenny Daskalaki wrote: > > > Hi everybody > > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > > maybe Jamman has some more features: > > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > > playback? > > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. > > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > > during overdubbing? > > I have a Boss RC20XL and a Digitech Jamman. As I understand the Jamman's > operation, and reading your questions, I believe the answers to you > questions are No, No, and No. If I understand your question #3 correctly, > I'm not sure any hardware looper other than the Digital Echoplex Pro can > do that. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 09:16:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112363BEE4; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YtWZpdhflUB7o97wOocQaY1iP3yMpfk5m4caQyxZIgOWH6tSpWKJHYlL8sOXHby/aSjLBE7EnQ5VMFXnbUnwi6ycNF6n/nMxTSI1ysgvMy4D//PviCRYuR6AeKaEf5iBjD41x6T9uh01kMeiaES+570qgMDDO7XmzmchVUV8+XQ= Message-ID: <50d04990609210216r7d508acfr33de945f9d8368ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:16:12 -0700 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? In-Reply-To: <50d04990609210214s7aae91ceqca96c36fde7b156f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> <50d04990609210214s7aae91ceqca96c36fde7b156f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4meC5.A.wtE.dhlEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Thanks for your response So, if you want to save a phrase while you are jamming you have to stop what you are doing , save your phrase and then start again! I wonder why they call it Jamman... As far as the tempo changes are concerned have you also experienced the same problems with Jamman? 2006/9/21, Jenny Daskalaki : > 2006/9/20, burnett@pobox.com : > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Jenny Daskalaki wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody > > > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > > > maybe Jamman has some more features: > > > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > > > playback? > > > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > > > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > > > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. > > > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > > > during overdubbing? > > > > I have a Boss RC20XL and a Digitech Jamman. As I understand the Jamman's > > operation, and reading your questions, I believe the answers to you > > questions are No, No, and No. If I understand your question #3 correctly, > > I'm not sure any hardware looper other than the Digital Echoplex Pro can > > do that. > > > > best, > > Steve B > > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 09:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E93F3BED5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Ae+VxnNjc331QEY/3NTrh4EjEHY82WRDtD6voDstV1bP0p3YhCf6B/ULGOLR9gcUetCXb3BXqafvQB0enUKizT6xCSyKcamQsShwrd1olEcfy1JjDNVp4hM3RByINo11bEFoujN75yayq0R2YWBmUKRj2m+Tu4MhHSmZky7+Zx8= ; Message-ID: <010101c6dd62$6dd113f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <09bb01c6dd57$13055e50$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: loopmaster vst Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:43:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:43:48 +0000 (UTC) http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3458 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: loopmaster vst > Where? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mimlitsch" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 21 September, 2006 00:22 AM > Subject: loopmaster vst > > >> New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't check out. >> >> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:06:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 713D63BED5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fwuam3wdK7ZxKPfr2dDaPkur+rMd7G5iUl944gM/lEl06S4W/ebhScO8EteeRRiw9SzU3DuftlU6GOrsQDH+4/f6AIt7Cm7Ea26XWVd+2gRnc6oeW2s15UtMghJnFityjtLk5ZT1xuBlF8q27sMEV/M/PZiSyWS+WHZr4pCuS+o= ; Message-ID: <013a01c6dd65$9471a8f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:06:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:06:22 +0000 (UTC) > Hi everybody > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > maybe Jamman has some more features: > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > playback? NO > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. There is some sound alteration but not as bad as on the roland stuff. > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > during overdubbing? Not really sure what you meant here. It plays a single phrase so if you change the patch number, it will stop the previous phrase. If you overdub, you still hear the first "layer". You can undo the last overdub layer. I think this is the same behaviour as in the boss stuff. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBDF3BED5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O9KkOz9eDo0ZAclGD46guR6mvXSnHaAFe4huSSGuILMczXEWoXbeMkslhon0BpmuGWfNm/RvWOhS/YrjIisRNakeTcEHCG6WJwj/GN9NdDdXn7OKASjQ7rL5widMtuBkvoqs7fI1Kb7Uz5SYCfg8aNiVOpyzJYy6hQ7w6a46dfk= ; Message-ID: <20060921101432.25548.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c6dc95$02158380$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Anybody using this: http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116507/number/00511780/cat/94/begin/1/Kosmos%AE+V2+Generator-Processor.cfm would be interesting to add to an acoustic dual Pickup system to one of the pickups to add bass,although a boss OC-3 would probably do the job as well... cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CAD33BEE4; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EPzl0s8ckXFniv102ytzWmmnkZgDnB3g4ZaaYnfS0Mqzlx/quL4zg5yYkbilSokMeGTzOMcdV1Vy+fMfIiHCKhxEctURcOAfwXvaR7pTCMTnLnPztRaeUWUeerWlNgPU9DafugD6FulNpSx7YVizYnh1886YEh2Nmga3/dyTITc= ; Message-ID: <20060921102048.27556.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Jeff Becks "Jeff" album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Wow man lucky you! So his live shows are completely rearranged without many of the edited tricks? Incredible that he isnt using loop devices after doing such an album! Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > I worked with Jeff in 2003 and his favorite album at > the time was > Splattercell. David is also a friend and he got the > remix gig from > Jeff, who was unhappy with Andy's methods. The only > 'loop' hardware > in Jeff's rig is a TC2290 set up as a delay to his > custom marshall > wedges... Steve Prior is Jeff's guitar tech. He's a > great guy and > formerly was guitar tech to : Rory Gallagher, Brian > May and David > Gilmore... what a life! > > > Ive been listening to this album lately and is > just > >> insane mind blowing,is jeff beck using loop > devices > >> nowdays and does anybody have a link to his gear > for > >> this album?I couldnt imagine doing this live > without > >> some sort of preprogramed sequencers! > >> cheers > >> Luis > > > >Speaking of Jeff Beck, I saw him on 9-9-6 at the > House of Blues in > >Myrtle Beach. He did not use a looper but it was a > wonderful show > >which lasted almost 2 hours, very inspiring! > > > > > > > >Weg > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA0D3BEDB; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:35:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45126AED.7090905@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:35:36 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on ARC, featuring Ian Boddy and Mark Shreeve. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Blaze" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records and released in 1974. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 23 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 11:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E183C3BED9; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028101c6dd75$409a3d40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:58:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3CoveD.A.5nC.Z5nEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:58:17 +0000 (UTC) No Luis, I haven't tried the Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic Generator out but my wife and I purchased the late (and sorely missed) singer songwriter, Elliot Smith's Berhinger Subharmonic Generator from his recording studio. She was on the Elliot Smith list, Sweet Adeline and heard that the people who inherited his studio were selling off some gear to keep the studio afloat. She bid on a lark and we got it for $100, amazingly. Anyway, I've been so busy I have yet to hook it up but I used to use the old DBX subharmonic generator back in the days of analogue recording studios (I know, I know, they still exist but not that anyone can still afford). I'll let you know when I finally get it out to try it out, but it may be a while. Planning Y2K6 this year is kicking my ass. yours, Rick From ken_ofori10@yahoo.co.in Thu Sep 21 13:46:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:06 UTC Received: from web8913.mail.in.yahoo.com (web8913.mail.in.yahoo.com [203.84.221.145]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CECB3BEB8 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62054 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2006 13:39:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.in; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JJCpJFrFIzq7CsLNAKse5Iqx0t0g59EkW7RpCDYNwMwx777ItjDsd3qOlEixVHEOjcizkZ2iVyEeT/CPZ3sOHq6Ad5zRSFFEbDvB0aHJALAsZ6jW0IOipmVUq8jC9G5gkrsTyfCfl8C9oy8WNyv1BK2FLi96FnnFSR4gEgDjjfI= ; Message-ID: <20060921133922.62052.qmail@web8913.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [41.204.40.80] by web8913.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:39:22 BST Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:39:22 +0100 (BST) From: mr ken ofori Subject: Dear Friend To: ken_ofori10@yahoo.co.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1066816222-1158845962=:61223" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1066816222-1158845962=:61223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FROM THE DESK OF MR KEN OFORI INTERNATIONAL COMMERCIAL BANK TEMA GHANA Dear Friend , I got your address via the internet personality search with the Ghana chamber of commerce and i which to solicate your cooperation for this business of great magnitude however is not mandatory nor will I in any manner compel you to honour against your will.I am 49, and work with a bank (one of the African leading banks in the West Coast). 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Get it NOW --0-1066816222-1158845962=:61223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 14:19:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D78783BEC5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: <26052FFF-AAED-46E4-9ADA-B7873901944D@manic-zen.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:19:05 +0200 From: Heinzen Marco Subject: travellin movin stayin - manic zen solo album Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC) salue zusammen hab mein kleines soloalbum "travellin movin stayin" online zum =20 downloaden freigestellt hoert doch mal rein .... freue mich auf kommentare ;) -> das album wurde low budget in 3 tagen aufgenommen und produziert, =20 tonqualit=E4t und manche parts sind etwas trashy ... downloaden koennt ihr es (provisorisch) unter: www.manic-zen.ch/privatwiki na denn ... sch=F6ne tag nu marco Marco Heinzen MANIC ZEN PRODUCTIONZ Neustadtstrasse 24 6003 Luzern +41412500920 HOME +41793474342 NATEL manic-zen@manic-zen.ch www.manic-zen.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96FA3BEB6; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <09bb01c6dd57$13055e50$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <09bb01c6dd57$13055e50$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: oops: Re: loopmaster vst Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:04:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Yes a link might be helpfull :). Here's the info/ link: http://www.mastervst.com/ On Sep 21, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Where? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, 21 September, 2006 00:22 AM > Subject: loopmaster vst > > >> New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't check out. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 16:52:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83653BEC5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-31-161717123 From: Steve Lawson Subject: looperlative... wow... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:52:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:52:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-31-161717123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Those of you that were looking for the ability to import/export audio in a multi-channel looper REALLY need to go and have a look at the looperlative forum and have a read about the latest software upgrade... Bob's outdone himself. *wow* Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-31-161717123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those of you that were looking = for the ability to import/export audio in a multi-channel looper REALLY = need to go and have a look at the looperlative forum and have a read = about the latest software upgrade... Bob's outdone himself.=A0

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    = http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



    = --Apple-Mail-31-161717123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 17:12:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50EB3BEDB; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: looperlative... wow... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:12:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C6DD7F.95695090" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 thread-index: AcbdnlP4JpIgmV9PTAa3ytJ83YlAjAAAraJw Message-Id: <20060921171223.4D08D3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9wDHOD.A.-NC.5fsEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C6DD7F.95695090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't wait! I'll hopefully get to try it tonite (I have the LP-1). _____ From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:52 PM To: Loop List Subject: looperlative... wow... Those of you that were looking for the ability to import/export audio in a multi-channel looper REALLY need to go and have a look at the looperlative forum and have a read about the latest software upgrade... Bob's outdone himself. *wow* Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C6DD7F.95695090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I can’t wait! I’ll = hopefully get to try it tonite (I have the LP-1).

     

    From: Steve = Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk]
    Sent: Thursday, September = 21, 2006 12:52 PM
    To: Loop List
    Subject: looperlative... = wow...

     

    Those of you that were looking for the ability to import/export = audio in a multi-channel looper REALLY need to go and have a look at the = looperlative forum and have a read about the latest software upgrade... Bob's outdone himself.

     

    *wow*

     

    Steve

    www.stevelaws= on.net - site

    www.stevelaws= on.net/zencart/ - shop

    www.myspace.c= om/solobassstevelawson

     



     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C6DD7F.95695090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 18:11:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7E53BEB9; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r58pEasOqfl970TPXKsTf5ODJwpqN/rnHhJXcUwsFEoAu+RTbIho47c3G09g/Xw3U3NKr8K+dYQejHuiZ1DbYx3mxFdJScYPA6H5ze1p3p9NnNWht5DhzdwYOMacHDLUn/Eu7qmLglgHDYtv9E0To1ir95xZUZnKyfhNcyGWqxA= ; Message-ID: <20060921181131.37807.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: loopmaster vst To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010101c6dd62$6dd113f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:11:32 +0000 (UTC) http://www.zonemobius.com It's all the looper you'll ever need. ;) --- Ben wrote: > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3458 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Goodman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: loopmaster vst > > > > Where? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Mimlitsch" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, 21 September, 2006 00:22 AM > > Subject: loopmaster vst > > > > > >> New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't > check out. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos > questions quelque soit le sujet ! > Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos > connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 18:25:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB283BED0; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oalHMUX4Lu7KrTdYSCHsQKsrg3VZ7AXviGKj8auLlPvu5NxaZF8TCjawkXkEPaKkmA4dbhVGXcwi5AE5r0chWi2ggnVTk1RbDrCmBOxCD6Bg0w1TQMM+OxppAp7IIpp6RvjtYLYuooKnsyf2bVHzC+YK1WFfAit5sxUa+kr7T5I= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:25:44 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17796_33265061.1158863144730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17796_33265061.1158863144730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's a trivial example, Kris (I say trivial, because it uses only four pitches and is a relatively short loop; pitches were chosen for simplicity not for aesthetic beauty): let's take the melody: C D E E F# D F# F# D F# E E D If every pitch given is the same duration (let's say 8th note), then this loop is 13 8th-notes long. So, let's say we record this loop on an EDP or Mobius (or any other looper that allows us to multiply). If we start multiply and play this loop at 1/5 the original speed, we will still be in unison with the original loop. Likewise, if we play this loop at 1/8 the original speed while in multiply, we will also remain in unison every time we play a new note. It follows, too, that you could have one loop running at full speed, one running at 1/5 speed (rhythmically, not literally as in time-stretch), and one running at 1/8 speed, all simultaneously, and everytime they change notes, they will be unison with the other changing voice(s). This is a self-similar melody. I'll concede that it's not a particularly interesting melody, but it is self-similar. At multiple levels. I created this example using methods outlined by Tom Johnson, a composer who seems to do a lot of work with IRCAM. His website is: http://tom.johnson.org/ and his book titled "Self-Similar Melodies" is a very interesting read. If you're at all interested in the application of recursive processes in music, get that book. It's not for everyone, but there are lots of great ideas that can be used in a myriad of ways. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 9/18/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying that > you > create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be found repeated > in a similar way inside that overall pattern? I need a more concrete > example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can understand this better, but > not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a melodic pattern that repeats > within itself, or even in a similar fashion....nothing is comeing to mind, > but I'm a bit tired right now. > > Kris > > > ------=_Part_17796_33265061.1158863144730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's a trivial example, Kris (I say trivial, because it uses only four pitches and is a relatively short loop; pitches were chosen for simplicity not for aesthetic beauty):

    let's take the melody:

    C D E E F# D F# F# D F# E E D

    If every pitch given is the same duration (let's say 8th note), then this loop is 13 8th-notes long. So, let's say we record this loop on an EDP or Mobius (or any other looper that allows us to multiply). If we start multiply and play this loop at 1/5 the original speed, we will still be in unison with the original loop. Likewise, if we play this loop at 1/8 the original speed while in multiply, we will also remain in unison every time we play a new note. It follows, too, that you could have one loop running at full speed, one running at 1/5 speed (rhythmically, not literally as in time-stretch), and one running at 1/8 speed, all simultaneously, and everytime they change notes, they will be unison with the other changing voice(s).

    This is a self-similar melody. I'll concede that it's not a particularly interesting melody, but it is self-similar. At multiple levels.

    I created this example using methods outlined by Tom Johnson, a composer who seems to do a lot of work with IRCAM. His website is: http://tom.johnson.org/ and his book titled "Self-Similar Melodies" is a very interesting read. If you're at all interested in the application of recursive processes in music, get that book. It's not for everyone, but there are lots of great ideas that can be used in a myriad of ways.

    Cheers,

    Jon Southwood

    On 9/18/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:

    But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying that you
    create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be found repeated
    in a similar way inside that overall pattern?  I need a more concrete
    example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can understand this better, but
    not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a melodic pattern that repeats
    within itself, or even in a similar fashion....nothing is comeing to mind,
    but I'm a bit tired right now.

    Kris



    ------=_Part_17796_33265061.1158863144730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBEC73BEC5; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:33:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1CA4_01C6DD93.51EF3500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <9W907D.A.R0F.6UwEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1CA4_01C6DD93.51EF3500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing my first 12 tone composition, = generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hell. For me, = there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of my = creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically = preconceived design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds = essense....the anti-thesis of healthy existentialism. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) Here's a trivial example, Kris (I say trivial, because it uses only = four pitches and is a relatively short loop; pitches were chosen for = simplicity not for aesthetic beauty): let's take the melody: C D E E F# D F# F# D F# E E D If every pitch given is the same duration (let's say 8th note), then = this loop is 13 8th-notes long. So, let's say we record this loop on an = EDP or Mobius (or any other looper that allows us to multiply). If we = start multiply and play this loop at 1/5 the original speed, we will = still be in unison with the original loop. Likewise, if we play this = loop at 1/8 the original speed while in multiply, we will also remain in = unison every time we play a new note. It follows, too, that you could = have one loop running at full speed, one running at 1/5 speed = (rhythmically, not literally as in time-stretch), and one running at 1/8 = speed, all simultaneously, and everytime they change notes, they will be = unison with the other changing voice(s). This is a self-similar melody. I'll concede that it's not a = particularly interesting melody, but it is self-similar. At multiple = levels. I created this example using methods outlined by Tom Johnson, a = composer who seems to do a lot of work with IRCAM. His website is: = http://tom.johnson.org/ and his book titled "Self-Similar Melodies" is a = very interesting read. If you're at all interested in the application of = recursive processes in music, get that book. It's not for everyone, but = there are lots of great ideas that can be used in a myriad of ways. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 9/18/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: But I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying = that you create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be found = repeated in a similar way inside that overall pattern? I need a more = concrete=20 example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can understand this = better, but not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a melodic pattern that = repeats within itself, or even in a similar fashion....nothing is comeing to = mind,=20 but I'm a bit tired right now. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_1CA4_01C6DD93.51EF3500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing = my first 12=20 tone composition, generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer = hell.=20 For me, there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage = of my=20 creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically = preconceived=20 design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds essense....the = anti-thesis=20 of healthy existentialism.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Jon=20 Southwood
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 21, = 2006 12:25=20 PM
    Subject: Re: fractal music (was = Re:=20 keeping loops interesting)

    Here's a trivial example, Kris (I say trivial, because = it uses=20 only four pitches and is a relatively short loop; pitches were chosen = for=20 simplicity not for aesthetic beauty):

    let's take the = melody:

    C D=20 E E F# D F# F# D F# E E D

    If every pitch given is the same = duration=20 (let's say 8th note), then this loop is 13 8th-notes long. So, let's = say we=20 record this loop on an EDP or Mobius (or any other looper that allows = us to=20 multiply). If we start multiply and play this loop at 1/5 the original = speed,=20 we will still be in unison with the original loop. Likewise, if we = play this=20 loop at 1/8 the original speed while in multiply, we will also remain = in=20 unison every time we play a new note. It follows, too, that you could = have one=20 loop running at full speed, one running at 1/5 speed (rhythmically, = not=20 literally as in time-stretch), and one running at 1/8 speed, all=20 simultaneously, and everytime they change notes, they will be unison = with the=20 other changing voice(s).

    This is a self-similar melody. I'll = concede=20 that it's not a particularly interesting melody, but it is = self-similar. At=20 multiple levels.

    I created this example using methods outlined = by Tom=20 Johnson, a composer who seems to do a lot of work with IRCAM. His = website is:=20 http://tom.johnson.org/ and = his book=20 titled "Self-Similar Melodies" is a very interesting read. If you're = at all=20 interested in the application of recursive processes in music, get = that book.=20 It's not for everyone, but there are lots of great ideas that can be = used in a=20 myriad of ways.

    Cheers,

    Jon Southwood

    On 9/18/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:

    But=20 I am still at loss how this applies to music. Are folks saying that=20 you
    create a piece of music where the pattern as a whole can be = found=20 repeated
    in a similar way inside that overall = pattern?  I need=20 a more concrete
    example of this. Rhythmically, perhaps, I can = understand=20 this better, but
    not actual notation. I'm trying to imagine a = melodic=20 pattern that repeats
    within itself, or even in a similar=20 fashion....nothing is comeing to mind,
    but I'm a bit tired right = = now.

    Kris



    ------=_NextPart_000_1CA4_01C6DD93.51EF3500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 22:49:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534993BECD; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FRUxzQ5xM+RAbo0gK7O+oHq2XQXI+fMXQ+CgIVkNVqCKC720qkWnWXH/3UHNQUJBH4nZ+2z4hl+A46bLICCbOXIERlQir7J8d85e9wCBo15ymtPZ1gCeM1LOtqxqiKUOn4KhwXoJ1XSd21LzXzKxc5xvvx9HVPeZrmAUQaDoEA8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:49:42 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) In-Reply-To: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23861_4048339.1158878982480" References: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1KTpHB.A.V8.IcxEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:49:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23861_4048339.1158878982480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Aren't you the project leader on the CT-TwelveTone Dance project? :) Anyway, just like 12-tone technique, it only seems that way until it becomes synthesized into your technique. "...letting principle take hostage of my creativity and compositions..." is a matter of perspective. Pre-compositional designs and manipulations of basic materials have been the norm for Western Art music composers for centuries. Josquin des Pres composed a piece where the formal proportions were meant to be directly analogous to the proportions of a particular cathedral. Beethoven's notebooks are full of his various manipulations of basic building-blocks. His rigor provided a model that was hardly matched by even the adherents to post-WWII serialism. There are two ways of looking at preconceived designs: limiting or freeing. I personally often find that self-imposed limitations can often force me to be *more* creative than when I give myself carte blanche. I often find that carte blanche results in a lot of self-indulgence at the listener's expense (both in my own and in others music). So, anyway, don't wanna start a huge debate on the merits of such things....but you asked for a concrete example...so I gave ya one. ;-) (Incidentally, the compositional system devised and taught by Joseph Schillinger involved a lot of recursive processes in the development of a compositions most basic materials as well as variations/transformations of them. Probably the most well-known student of Schillinger was George Gershwin whose "Porgy and Bess" is a textbook example of rigorous application of Schillinger's system. Few would argue that Porgy and Bess sounds like its composer was a slave to its mathematically preconceived design....just some food for thought.) Cheers, Jon On 9/21/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing my first 12 tone composition, > generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hell. For me, there's > nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of my creativity and > compositions, like being a slave to mathically preconceived > design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds essense....the > anti-thesis of healthy existentialism. > > K- > ------=_Part_23861_4048339.1158878982480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Aren't you the project leader on the CT-TwelveTone Dance project? :)
    Anyway, just like 12-tone technique, it only seems that way until it becom= es synthesized into your technique.

    "...letting principle take = hostage of my creativity and compositions..." is a matter of perspecti= ve. Pre-compositional designs and manipulations of basic materials have bee= n the norm for Western Art music composers for centuries. Josquin des Pres = composed a piece where the formal proportions were meant to be directly ana= logous to the proportions of a particular cathedral. Beethoven's notebooks = are full of his various manipulations of basic building-blocks. His rigor p= rovided a model that was hardly matched by even the adherents to post-WWII = serialism. There are two ways of looking at preconceived designs: limiting = or freeing. I personally often find that self-imposed limitations can often= force me to be *more* creative than when I give myself carte blanche. I of= ten find that carte blanche results in a lot of self-indulgence at the list= ener's expense (both in my own and in others music).

    So, anyway, don't wanna start a huge debate on the merits of such t= hings....but you asked for a concrete example...so I gave ya one. ;-)
    (Incidentally, the compositional system devised and taught by Joseph Schi= llinger involved a lot of recursive processes in the development of a compo= sitions most basic materials as well as variations/transformations of them.= Probably the most well-known student of  Schillinger was George Gersh= win whose "Porgy and Bess" is a textbook example of rigorous appl= ication of Schillinger's system. Few would argue that Porgy and Bess sounds= like its composer was a slave to its mathematically preconceived design...= .just some food for thought.)

    Cheers,

    Jon

    On 9/21/= 06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing = my first 12=20 tone composition, generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hel= l.=20 For me, there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of m= y=20 creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically preconceived= =20 design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds essense....the anti-th= esis=20 of healthy existentialism.
     
    K-

    ------=_Part_23861_4048339.1158878982480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 22:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A25A3BECD; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:54:54 EDT Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6f.809a37.3244723e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9dxDv.A.PPB.GhxEFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:55:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c6f.809a37.3244723e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/06 6:50:31 PM, jsouthwood@gmail.com writes: > just some food for thought > yummy www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c6f.809a37.3244723e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/21/06 6:50:31 PM, jsouthwood@gmail.com writes:


    just some food for th= ought


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     --part1_c6f.809a37.3244723e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 22:59:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB6D3BEDF; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ced01c6ddd1$87c473a0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:59:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1CEA_01C6DD9F.3C914610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:59:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1CEA_01C6DD9F.3C914610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, but I contributed....not big deal. My comments were only my own = perspective on creating music. I can only stomach the math and formulae = for creating music for so long before I just need to pick up my = instrument and play freely. I don't have any desire to start a debate, = but you can if you want. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) Aren't you the project leader on the CT-TwelveTone Dance project? :) Anyway, just like 12-tone technique, it only seems that way until it = becomes synthesized into your technique. "...letting principle take hostage of my creativity and = compositions..." is a matter of perspective. Pre-compositional designs = and manipulations of basic materials have been the norm for Western Art = music composers for centuries. Josquin des Pres composed a piece where = the formal proportions were meant to be directly analogous to the = proportions of a particular cathedral. Beethoven's notebooks are full of = his various manipulations of basic building-blocks. His rigor provided a = model that was hardly matched by even the adherents to post-WWII = serialism. There are two ways of looking at preconceived designs: = limiting or freeing. I personally often find that self-imposed = limitations can often force me to be *more* creative than when I give = myself carte blanche. I often find that carte blanche results in a lot = of self-indulgence at the listener's expense (both in my own and in = others music).=20 So, anyway, don't wanna start a huge debate on the merits of such = things....but you asked for a concrete example...so I gave ya one. ;-) (Incidentally, the compositional system devised and taught by Joseph = Schillinger involved a lot of recursive processes in the development of = a compositions most basic materials as well as = variations/transformations of them. Probably the most well-known student = of Schillinger was George Gershwin whose "Porgy and Bess" is a textbook = example of rigorous application of Schillinger's system. Few would argue = that Porgy and Bess sounds like its composer was a slave to its = mathematically preconceived design....just some food for thought.)=20 Cheers, Jon On 9/21/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing my first 12 tone composition, = generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hell. For me, = there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of my = creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically = preconceived design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds = essense....the anti-thesis of healthy existentialism. K- ------=_NextPart_000_1CEA_01C6DD9F.3C914610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    No, but I contributed....not big deal. = My comments=20 were only my own perspective on creating music.  I can only = stomach=20 the math and formulae for creating music for so long before I just need = to pick=20 up my instrument and play freely. I don't have any desire to start a = debate, but=20 you can if you want.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Jon=20 Southwood
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 21, = 2006 4:49=20 PM
    Subject: Re: fractal music (was = Re:=20 keeping loops interesting)

    Aren't you the project leader on the CT-TwelveTone = Dance=20 project? :)

    Anyway, just like 12-tone technique, it only seems = that way=20 until it becomes synthesized into your technique.

    "...letting = principle=20 take hostage of my creativity and compositions..." is a matter of = perspective.=20 Pre-compositional designs and manipulations of basic materials have = been the=20 norm for Western Art music composers for centuries. Josquin des Pres = composed=20 a piece where the formal proportions were meant to be directly = analogous to=20 the proportions of a particular cathedral. Beethoven's notebooks are = full of=20 his various manipulations of basic building-blocks. His rigor provided = a model=20 that was hardly matched by even the adherents to post-WWII serialism. = There=20 are two ways of looking at preconceived designs: limiting or freeing. = I=20 personally often find that self-imposed limitations can often force me = to be=20 *more* creative than when I give myself carte blanche. I often find = that carte=20 blanche results in a lot of self-indulgence at the listener's expense = (both in=20 my own and in others music).

    So, anyway, don't wanna start a = huge=20 debate on the merits of such things....but you asked for a concrete=20 example...so I gave ya one. ;-)

    (Incidentally, the = compositional system=20 devised and taught by Joseph Schillinger involved a lot of recursive = processes=20 in the development of a compositions most basic materials as well as=20 variations/transformations of them. Probably the most well-known = student=20 of  Schillinger was George Gershwin whose "Porgy and Bess" is a = textbook=20 example of rigorous application of Schillinger's system. Few would = argue that=20 Porgy and Bess sounds like its composer was a slave to its = mathematically=20 preconceived design....just some food for thought.)=20

    Cheers,

    Jon

    On 9/21/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    Geeeesh, this reminds me of = composing my first=20 12 tone composition, generating my row, matrix of permuations, = etc...sheer=20 hell. For me, there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take = hostage=20 of my creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically=20 preconceived design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds=20 essense....the anti-thesis of healthy = existentialism.
     
    K-

    = ------=_NextPart_000_1CEA_01C6DD9F.3C914610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 23:14:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B7CD3BEE4; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:14:27 -0600 Message-Id: <200609212314.k8LNERY14717@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Looping video X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Following the lead of Rick Walker, I've posted some abstract video pieces I made to accompany some loopy music of mine. If you're so inclined, they are living at http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Billowhead Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 02:35:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0753BED3; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> References: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <12b1964c5a405b94219dee9f2a8e16a4@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: [OT] Zorn and Colbert.... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:35:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:35:35 +0000 (UTC) WAY off topic, but hilarious. Colbert speaks of Zorn and the "Genius" grant.... http://tinyurl.com/fkdta Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 04:31:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B37273BED5; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4513671D.9090909@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:31:25 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Zorn and Colbert.... References: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> <12b1964c5a405b94219dee9f2a8e16a4@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <12b1964c5a405b94219dee9f2a8e16a4@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > WAY off topic, but hilarious. > > Colbert speaks of Zorn and the "Genius" grant.... > > http://tinyurl.com/fkdta > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com Just saw that a couple hours ago. I was expecting Colbert to fulminate: "I heard no II-V-I. Why does he hate America?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 08:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9A23BECD; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HMChVDaRZT1KAKAQTL1K4pu6p74LI6JDYFY1IzDC+tnq8dbsxckezPCw4VIaPyjVTHi3qY2J9OP87s1wKvySaX+te6PTyq4MIZUvbhzSmxKtgU+dynIeAHJfn53ArC1P35UlWYdPLHx1OXS4TDErSSXzOWy8gYEz/zr5m9cxAW4= Message-ID: <50d04990609220119qa68ac7dl3f1213a07a7eff1d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:19:47 -0700 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? In-Reply-To: <013a01c6dd65$9471a8f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> <013a01c6dd65$9471a8f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: <9sq3L.A.xI.ly5EFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Ben As far as the 3rd question is concerned, this is what I mean: Let's say we are jamming..I have my first phrase on the first layer and then I overdub one more on the second layer. Then I want to make the first phrase stop and let only the second one play so I can continue overdub over it. How could I do that?? 2006/9/21, Ben : > > Hi everybody > > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > > maybe Jamman has some more features: > > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > > playback? > > NO > > > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. > > There is some sound alteration but not as bad as on the roland stuff. > > > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > > during overdubbing? > > Not really sure what you meant here. > It plays a single phrase so if you change the patch number, it will stop = the > previous phrase. > If you overdub, you still hear the first "layer". You can undo the last > overdub layer. > I think this is the same behaviour as in the boss stuff. > > Ben. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > D=E9couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit l= e sujet ! > Yahoo! Questions/R=E9ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions= et vos exp=E9riences. > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 08:49:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38ABA3BEC1; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060922084930152.005431C002FB@mwinf0401.orange.fr Message-ID: <4513A399.4080909@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:49:29 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fractal music (was Re: keeping loops interesting) References: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1ca701c6ddc5$9d2a2ac0$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Geeeesh, this reminds me of composing my first 12 tone composition, > generating my row, matrix of permuations, etc...sheer hell. For me, > there's nothing so miserable as letting principle take hostage of my > creativity and compositions, like being a slave to mathically > preconceived design....essense preceeds being, vs. being proceeds > essense....the anti-thesis of healthy existentialism. Yeah, as long you need to do it by hand. With a computer this will give you a complete new way of freedom. I always considered the 12-tone row as being one single example of a rule which is different than the traditional known ones... (which are as well just rules which would slave you to those rules unless you break them ;-) Schönberg used up his own live and that of a lot of other composers to just explore that single rule. If you start algorithmic composition with a computer, you don't need to explore it by writing down notes, find musicians to play it, to be able to judge it. You'd be much faster in modifying the rules to make them more interesting. I never considered the 12-tone row a very interesting rule, though I respect gratefully that Schönberg just invented a new rule to explore new territories. I never understodd why the other composers just took the same rule instead of developing their own. (Stockhausen did, but used the row as basis and keeping the weakest part which is avoiding a (tonal) center by distributing all notes equaly...) The one who realy was filling that rule to all its power was Berg who did it much better than its originator... And I heard kind of funny explorations which actually did have tonal centers though they did completely follow the original law... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 08:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E898A3BED0; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d201c6de24$b8926a70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Kim Flint's gonna kill me for this one Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:54:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:54:20 +0000 (UTC) I just saw this video of a breakdancer on youtube. Every thing he is doing is related to looping visually though I know this is waaaaaaaaay off topic. Let's put it this way.....................after a night of downloading old school funk and sould tonight tonight like LTD's "Back in Love Again" and Brother's Johnson "Strawberry 23" and watching this video, I wanna loop sumpin' funky, y'all!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 09:03:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103693BED3; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014701c6de26$0a392ac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: looping video Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:03:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <9Y_f4D.A.XnB.yb6EFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Kevin, these are really beautiful......................so mesmerizing and also so stimulating at the same time. Beautiful work. Can you share with us how you animate them? They are so sophisticated compared to my little toy camera/toy lighting effects vids. I subscribed to your videos at youtube. thanks for letting us know about them. Keep up the good work. Rick Kevin wrote: "Following the lead of Rick Walker, I've posted some abstract video pieces I made to accompany some loopy music of mine. If you're so inclined, they are living at" http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Billowhead From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 10:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350E93BEC5; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lcC0bgf1xWHtNpEjszjbHdnmltFHy6Ws8jbVApA0Ijk2wqC+h9sp/YKoTsqXSDQ+8r7exb7KR0GGpgOkWo4C6mh5/BcsvBBELJG2LCrUympyEAC0K6C+gU9vwYeC+2G896DUMJLauABg6CcXqjHGq0mQhIG7RpaZVeGTQhaInks= ; Message-ID: <00da01c6de33$025fd0d0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <50d04990609200205w362d176bq5585d94640193a8a@mail.gmail.com> <013a01c6dd65$9471a8f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <50d04990609220119qa68ac7dl3f1213a07a7eff1d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:36:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <65ajWB.A.gjE.Fz7EFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:36:53 +0000 (UTC) You can't. At least in live. If this is for recording purposes, you can -in theory- save the first layer in location x AND in location y. Overdub over the loop in location y, save the loop+overdub in location y. Download everything in the PC and mix the location y with an inverted version of the location x wave. If the levels are correct you should obtain the overdub as result. In live, the only solution is to have a multitrack looper: EH2880, repeater,EDP,LP1 or a soft like Mobius. sorry this i bad news. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: digitech jamman details?? Thanks Ben As far as the 3rd question is concerned, this is what I mean: Let's say we are jamming..I have my first phrase on the first layer and then I overdub one more on the second layer. Then I want to make the first phrase stop and let only the second one play so I can continue overdub over it. How could I do that?? 2006/9/21, Ben : > > Hi everybody > > I have Boss rc 20 xl which cannot satisfy my needs and I am wondering > > maybe Jamman has some more features: > > 1) Can it save a loop while it is playing without having to stop the > > playback? > > NO > > > 2)Can it change the tempo without altering the sound at all? > > Unfortunately with Boss rc 20 xl when I change the tempo even for > > small differences, the sound is being seriously altered. > > There is some sound alteration but not as bad as on the roland stuff. > > > 3)Can it stop playing the previous phrase and keep the last phrase > > during overdubbing? > > Not really sure what you meant here. > It plays a single phrase so if you change the patch number, it will stop > the > previous phrase. > If you overdub, you still hear the first "layer". You can undo the last > overdub layer. > I think this is the same behaviour as in the boss stuff. > > Ben. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le > sujet ! > Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et > vos expériences. > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 16:52:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8D23BEDF; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:54:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: [OT] Zorn and Colbert.... In-reply-to: <12b1964c5a405b94219dee9f2a8e16a4@pfmentum.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c6de67$cfd88870$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, thank you Still laughing... Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: [OT] Zorn and Colbert.... > > > WAY off topic, but hilarious. > > Colbert speaks of Zorn and the "Genius" grant.... > > http://tinyurl.com/fkdta > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 18:09:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E26B83BED5; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 473455449 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC967A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: slightly OT: Jeff Beck Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:09:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6DE72.3AA97154" Resent-Message-ID: <6TzWy.A.jHH.bbCFFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:09:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DE72.3AA97154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had the great pleasure of seeing jeff beck at the royal festival hall a few years ago. it was the middle one of three nights, each with different guest bands with whom he would do a short joint-set, besides letting them do their thing & he his own. this night it was with white stripes [sigh]..... & so there came a point in the evening where jeff was trading licks with jack while meg was trying to keep up with terry bozzio & another proper drummer whose names eludes me now. she was /rubbish/. I mean, I like the lo-fi & faux-naif stylings of jon spencer, say, or jonathan richman.... but you get the feeling that they could play hard stuff if they wanted to. meg.... sorry. the emperor is nekkid. but anyway, jeff. he looked like he was in his mid-30s, not pushing 60 as he must've been. he used the same ghastly yellow strat all night, through a selection of non-boutique amps. I couldn't see any pedals- if he was using any, there must've been a tech operating them for him, because he was bouncing around all over the stage. but the sound...... natural harmonics that we probably all know where to find them under laboratory conditions with new strings seemed to be.... well.... natural to him. in the same way that a great cartoonist can conjure a familiar face using a handful of simple lines, beck is able to create sonic resonances with just a few simple-looking gestures at the fender. when he really concentrates, though..... I had absolutely no idea that so many of the noises on his jan hammer collaborations came from the guitar, unaided by midi or extreme processing. it was a real eye-opener. & he looks just like nigel tufnel. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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    I had the great pleasure of seeing jeff beck at the royal= festival hall a few years ago. it was the middle one of three nights, each= with different guest bands with whom he would do a short joint-set, beside= s letting them do their thing & he his own.

    this night it was with white stripes [sigh]..... & so= there came a point in the evening where jeff was trading licks with jack w= hile meg was trying to keep up with terry bozzio & another proper drumm= er whose names eludes me now.

    she was /rubbish/. I mean, I like the lo-fi & faux-na= if stylings of jon spencer, say, or jonathan richman.... but you get the fe= eling that they could play hard stuff if they wanted to. meg.... sorry. the= emperor is nekkid.

     
    but anyway, jeff. he looked like he was in his mid-30s, = not pushing 60 as he must've been. he used the same ghastly yellow strat al= l night, through a selection of non-boutique amps. I couldn't see any pedal= s- if he was using any, there must've been a tech operating them for him, b= ecause he was bouncing around all over the stage.

    but the sound...... natural harmonics that we probably al= l know where to find them under laboratory conditions with new strings seem= ed to be.... well.... natural to him. in the same way that a great cartooni= st can conjure a familiar face using a handful of simple lines, beck is abl= e to create sonic resonances with just a few simple-looking gestures at the= fender. when he really concentrates, though..... I had absolutely no idea = that so many of the noises on his jan hammer collaborations came from the g= uitar, unaided by midi or extreme processing.

    it was a real eye-opener. & he looks just like nigel = tufnel.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DE72.3AA97154-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 21:30:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FCBD3BEB9; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dT84boJ31ZlumMKNLsI9/Y645yz/HwMOs54MHzJyjZe9YIl1JzLTWTv8B2izy8OfAFMMS5psBsWkfhdvna0pbSRzALgXNFmaSCw1ErK8P1qWVk5gkeBVKOHKI1r8c2g5/7ZvbeDHb+49dxT5N1sp2fsPMH6o6gWWIPEyzmbDxBM= ; Message-ID: <20060922213049.78075.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: publicist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060919051020.87780.qmail@web55504.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7ckd3.A.Zi.LYFFFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Why not post direct links to your music file on some high traffic internet list where lots of prog-rock fans hang out? I can't think of any right now though. Mark http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html --- Monica wrote: > Matt: > Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself > involved in some sort of > stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the > power and convenience > of the internet, such free and easy debacherous > yet effective self-promo > is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own > career track on the heels > of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more > doors faster. > Hope that helps. > Best Regards, > Monica > aka reptilian guitar diva > > "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: > I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. > So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to > promote my next album. Any recommendations? > > > Matt > > > > --- > King Never > http://www.kingnever.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 01:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF583BED2; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents an 8 HOUR DRONE with Sister Ray and other news Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:35:35 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c6deb0$911ee810$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everyone, Summer ends and the PiNG announces a trio of activities to welcome the third season of the year. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. PiNG @ WORD ON THE STREET Queen's Park . Sunday, September 24th . 11am to 5pm This Sunday, the PiNG will be at Word On The Street located in the Magazine Mews at booth MM22-B. That's on the east side of Queen's Park Crescent E., just north of St. Joseph Street. Stop on by to say hi, and to see what recorded audio goodies and other bits of interesting media that rik from ping things brings to Queen's Park and check out what ping things has online. http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. SISTER RAY & THE AMBiENT PiNG present an 8 HOUR DRONE Tuesday, September 26th . 6pm - 2am @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs at the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen Street West at Beaconsfield West of Ossington . East of Dufferin Next Tuesday, THE AMBiENT PiNG lands at the DRAKE HOTEL UNDERGROUND as we join forces with our friends at SISTER RAY to present an 8 HOUR DRONE to celebrate SISTER RAY's one year anniversary. PiNGer's like Scott M2 (dreamSTATE), Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, URM, NOiNO, SADU), rik maclean (mara's torment, metro starman), Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats, Solipsystem, Salvagesound, NOiNO), Alan Bloor (Knurl, Pholde), NAW, Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja), Ben Grossman, Nilan Perera, Jim Field (Spacenoiz, Rhea's Obsession), James Bailey (Odradek, Six Heads, NOiNO), Anne Sulikowski (Burning Castles Out of Matchbooks, Love Puppets, Psychosomatic Climax Machine), Mark Fields (Love Puppets) and Phil Ogison (The Devil in the Design, Subduction Current, Psychosomatic Climax Machine) will contribute their unique sonic space scapes to the drone. Join us on Tuesday at the DRAKE UNDERGROUND for the 8 hour drone and raise a pint to SISTER RAY for bringing us a year of great noise. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3. The PiNG presents SONiC TAPESTRiES as part of NUiT BLANCHE @ THE TEXTILE MUSEUM OF CANADA Saturday September 30th . 8pm - 1am Textile Museum of Canada . 55 Centre Avenue South of Dundas . East of University Join PHOLDE, mara's torment, NOiNO, URM and other PiNG faves as they unravel their sonic tapestries inspired by the unique environment of the Textile Museum of Canada. Interactive and improvised performances will be held both in the auditorium space and throughout the gallery spaces. Watch this space next week for the complete list of performers and a schedule of who's playing when and where. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO AMBiENT PiNG RADiO is thrilled to announce the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES, a new show where we'll be playing exclusive, unreleased material by some of our closest friends in the ambient community. Tune in to hear live performances, works in progress, exclusive remixes and more! October 2nd . Pholde and Noino October 9th . Salvagesound October 16th . Psychosomatic Climax Machine October 23rd . URM October 30th . mara's torment November 6th . dreamSTATE with Wally Jericho November 13th . Numina November 20th . NAW November 27th . Geek Weekend All shows begin at 9PM EST. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES: Another way that the AMBiENT PiNG is bringing great music to you! http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 02:46:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35F423BEB9; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AQxm3lM40m6d9fuMKzw86YVcZOWvhz0u2FoRHGNM7HhnmFYy3sDlSfGvj8wLAEM8VZYjbv2sh0Gs555GEaBMnpZ7zeqLFoZFomk/CnLfS+1VDlOrf3pE4KxhMPb2z55JYw2w/tbAlGog5DZZitES6OOM+0MRkRhlDSHQwnXQMJg= ; Message-ID: <20060923024657.80302.qmail@web55507.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: publicist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060922213049.78075.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-64017728-1158979617=:80045" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:46:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-64017728-1158979617=:80045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Matt: I'm totally serious. Go out to LA, get really trashed and throw up on Paris Hilton at a high visibility nightclub. Your face and music will be around the world in minutes at very little expense. Give this approach a try and do report back to us here on your progress. Best Wishes, Monica mark sottilaro wrote: Why not post direct links to your music file on some high traffic internet list where lots of prog-rock fans hang out? I can't think of any right now though. Mark http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html --- Monica wrote: > Matt: > Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself > involved in some sort of > stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the > power and convenience > of the internet, such free and easy debacherous > yet effective self-promo > is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own > career track on the heels > of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more > doors faster. > Hope that helps. > Best Regards, > Monica > aka reptilian guitar diva > > "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: > I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. > So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to > promote my next album. Any recommendations? > > > Matt > > > > --- > King Never > http://www.kingnever.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-64017728-1158979617=:80045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Matt:
        I'm totally serious. Go out to LA, get really trashed and
    throw up on Paris Hilton at a high visibility nightclub.
    Your face and music will be around the world in minutes
    at very little expense. Give this approach a try and do report
    back to us here on your progress.
    Best Wishes,
    Monica

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Why not post direct links to your music file on some
    high traffic internet list where lots of prog-rock
    fans hang out? I can't think of any right now though.

    Mark
    http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html

    --- Monica wrote:

    > Matt:
    > Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself
    > involved in some sort of
    > stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the
    > power and convenience
    > of the internet, such free and easy debacherous
    > yet effective self-promo
    > is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own
    > career track on the heels
    > of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more
    > doors faster.
    > Hope that helps.
    > Best Regards,
    > Monica
    > aka reptilian guitar diva
    >
    > "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote:
    > I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it.
    > So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to
    > promote my next album. Any recommendations?
    >
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
    >
    > ---
    > King Never
    > http://www.kingnever.com
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ---------------------------------
    > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com



    __________________________________________________
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    Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-64017728-1158979617=:80045-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 02:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32EC43BEC5; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PAN2dW4vu9vV5dTMkVo4YgvqPXwhgm42qJj4rWK6W3y1M2ZaD+dXYYYS8Kz5TkF2T6KLfrtZPaAgirMyHNpAwas1s4RvWMeHGBGLJJrwMAEqYHMNxzY7oH0IjijYIi3IoB9o7hYe7QvL4mMEAlYPfQYv4Bbri+j3qI5n2NbDOsI= ; Message-ID: <20060923025035.56992.qmail@web55513.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: publicity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2014052798-1158979835=:56438" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:50:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-2014052798-1158979835=:56438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My point here is that one of the biggest misconceptions about the music industry is that it's about music. It's not. It's about preserving and promoting big corporate monopolies. No matter what music you may make and how innovative or awesome this is totally irrelevant if you aren't politically well-connected. In fact disposeable music that is easier and more cost effective to make (because it requires no talent) is what it's all about. Monica --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-2014052798-1158979835=:56438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
     
     
     
    My point here is that one of the biggest misconceptions about
    the music industry is that it's about music. It's not.
    It's about preserving and promoting big corporate monopolies.
    No matter what music you may make and how innovative or
    awesome this is totally irrelevant if you aren't politically well-connected.
    In fact disposeable music that is easier and more cost effective to make
    (because it requires no talent) is what it's all about.
     
    Monica

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 16:08:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080B43BEC1; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: publicist Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6DEEF.DEE41F40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060923024657.80302.qmail@web55507.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6DEEF.DEE41F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow Monica, I'd love to do that just for the thrill of barfing on Paris Hilton. now that would be HOT! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: publicist Matt: I'm totally serious. Go out to LA, get really trashed and throw up on Paris Hilton at a high visibility nightclub. Your face and music will be around the world in minutes at very little expense. Give this approach a try and do report back to us here on your progress. Best Wishes, Monica mark sottilaro wrote: Why not post direct links to your music file on some high traffic internet list where lots of prog-rock fans hang out? I can't think of any right now though. Mark http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html --- Monica wrote: > Matt: > Best and cheapest publicity - get yourself > involved in some sort of > stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the > power and convenience > of the internet, such free and easy debacherous > yet effective self-promo > is just a mouseclick away. I'm forging my own > career track on the heels > of repeated career suicide. Nothing opens more > doors faster. > Hope that helps. > Best Regards, > Monica > aka reptilian guitar diva > > "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: > I hate promoting my music and I'm no good at it. > So, I've been thinking about using a publicist to > promote my next album. Any recommendations? > > > Matt > > > > --- > King Never > http://www.kingnever.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6DEEF.DEE41F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Wow=20 Monica, I'd love to do that just for the thrill of barfing on Paris = Hilton. now=20 that would be HOT!
    Bill
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Monica=20 [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Friday, September 22, = 2006=20 7:47 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:=20 Re: publicist

    Matt:
        I'm totally = serious. Go out=20 to LA, get really trashed and
    throw up on Paris Hilton at a = high=20 visibility nightclub.
    Your face and music will be around = the world=20 in minutes
    at very little expense. Give this = approach a=20 try and do report
    back to us here on your = progress.
    Best=20 Wishes,
    Monica

    mark sottilaro=20 <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Why=20 not post direct links to your music file on some
    high traffic = internet=20 list where lots of prog-rock
    fans hang out? I can't think of any = right=20 now = though.

    Mark
    http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html

    --- = Monica wrote:

    > Matt:
    > = Best and=20 cheapest publicity - get yourself
    > involved in some sort = of
    >=20 stupid and sordid celebrity scandal. With the
    > power and=20 convenience
    > of the internet, such free and easy = debacherous
    >=20 yet effective self-promo
    > is just a mouseclick away. I'm = forging my=20 own
    > career track on the heels
    > of repeated career = suicide.=20 Nothing opens more
    > doors faster.
    > Hope that = helps.
    >=20 Best Regards,
    > Monica
    > aka reptilian guitar = diva
    >=20
    > "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote:
    > = I hate=20 promoting my music and I'm no good at it.
    > So, I've been = thinking=20 about using a publicist to
    > promote my next album. Any=20 recommendations?
    >
    >
    > Matt
    >
    > =
    >=20
    > ---
    > King Never
    > = http://www.kingnever.com
    >=20
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >=20 ---------------------------------
    > Get your email and more, = right on=20 the new=20 = Yahoo.com



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    ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6DEEF.DEE41F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 16:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C598A3BED3; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:54:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Different Skies 2006 Concert mp3s are now available for download To: "ampfea.org music-bar" , Ricochet Gathering Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Message-id: <451566D4.5070804@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:55:12 +0000 (UTC) FYI. Download the program so you can follow along with the music and know who is playing. Cheers, Bill -------- Original Message -------- MP3s of the Different Skies 2006 Concert are now available for download: http://www.differentskies.com/dailyphotolog200.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 18:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0E313BEC5; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:27:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne This is the first time complete and total access to original tracks with remix and sampling possibilities have been officially offered on line. In keeping with the spirit of the original album, Brian and David are offering for download all the multitracks on two of the songs ["A Secret Life", "Help Me Somebody"]. [After registering] You are free to edit, remix, sample and mutilate these tracks however you like. Add them to your own song or create a new one. Visitors are welcome to post their mixes or songs that incorporate these audio files on the site for others to hear and rate. My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts came out in 1981. Over the last decades, hundreds of artists in genres ranging from DJs to alternative to electronic have all borrowed from its ideas and claimed its influence. It is now being re-issued ... cited from: http://bush-of-ghosts.com/ http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 19:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76CD3BEC1; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c6df42$996fbbb0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> Subject: Re: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:00:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:01:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm still glad to have the CD before Q'uran was removed from it, apparently never to return... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Saturday, 23 September, 2006 19:27 PM Subject: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne > > My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne > > This is the first time complete and total access to original tracks with > remix and sampling possibilities have been officially offered on line. In > keeping with the spirit of the original album, Brian and David are > offering for download all the multitracks on two of the songs ["A Secret > Life", "Help Me Somebody"]. > > [After registering] You are free to edit, remix, sample and mutilate > these tracks however you like. Add them to your own song or create a new > one. Visitors are welcome to post their mixes or songs that incorporate > these audio files on the site for others to hear and rate. > > My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts came out in 1981. Over the last decades, > hundreds of artists in genres ranging from DJs to alternative to > electronic have all borrowed from its ideas and claimed its influence. It > is now being re-issued ... > > > cited from: > http://bush-of-ghosts.com/ > > http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm > > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 19:07:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A533BEC5; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: computer interface Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:07:23 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:07:26 +0000 (UTC) think of the music/loop manipulation applications: http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1 From aw-confirm@ebay.com Sat Sep 23 19:24:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1331 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:24:39 UTC Received: from mail2.brespel.com.br (mail2.brespel.com.br [200.254.212.10]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDC23BEC1; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (static-213.50.106.3.addr.tdcsong.se [213.50.106.3]) by mail2.brespel.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326BE33DF7; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:50:06 -0300 (BRT) Reply-To: From: "service@paypal.com" Subject: {Spam?} Message from Accounts Department Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:06:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060923185006.326BE33DF7@mail2.brespel.com.br> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-Brespel-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Brespel-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Brespel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SBL+XBL X-MailScanner-From: aw-confirm@ebay.com PayPal Notification

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 21:03:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41933BEB9; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: OT. Focusrite Sapphire Pro 26I/O Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:03:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6DF64.89B2D500" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbfU8WfBI05X31uRPGrfChMG6HxrQ== Message-Id: <20060923210352.4E0D1A8C0C@smtp2.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6DF64.89B2D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody. I'm thinking about changing my tascam 1804 firewire interface with a focusrite sapphire pro (the one with 8 mic pres and 16 channels of adat I/O), so that I can use its dsp for reverbs and compressors and take it around in my rack, with my echoplex, my repeater and my effect processors, and record everything on separate tracks on my notebook, while using its 8 outputs for pre-recorded loops and sequences and midi i/o for sync. Has anyone already tried that soundcard? How are its effects? The price seems like a bargain for a 24 channels soundcard with dsp. Thanks in advance for any informations. Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6DF64.89B2D500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi everybody. I’m thinking about = changing my tascam 1804 firewire interface with a focusrite sapphire pro (the one = with 8 mic pres and 16 channels of adat I/O), so that I can use its dsp for = reverbs and compressors and take it around in my rack, with my echoplex, my = repeater and my effect processors, and record everything on separate tracks on my notebook, while using its 8 outputs for pre-recorded loops and sequences = and midi i/o for sync. Has anyone already tried that soundcard? How are its effects? The price seems like a bargain for a 24 channels soundcard with = dsp…

    Thanks in advance for any = informations.

    Peace

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6DF64.89B2D500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 21:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72FFE3BED2; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT. Focusrite Sapphire Pro 26I/O Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:30:08 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6df57$721ba140$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbfU8WfBI05X31uRPGrfChMG6HxrQAArt5Q In-Reply-To: <20060923210352.4E0D1A8C0C@smtp2.libero.it> Resent-Message-ID: <6nF02C.A.vqB.odaFFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC) As I understand this device, it does not have a DSP for running effects; instead, these effects are provided to be run on your computer. So this makes the Saffire Pro a direct competitor of RME's Fireface800 - with twice the number of micpres and roughly half its price. ________________________________ Von: Luigi Meloni [mailto:luigimeloni74@libero.it] Gesendet: Samstag, 23. September 2006 23:04 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: OT. Focusrite Sapphire Pro 26I/O Hi everybody. I'm thinking about changing my tascam 1804 firewire interface with a focusrite sapphire pro (the one with 8 mic pres and 16 channels of adat I/O), so that I can use its dsp for reverbs and compressors and take it around in my rack, with my echoplex, my repeater and my effect processors, and record everything on separate tracks on my notebook, while using its 8 outputs for pre-recorded loops and sequences and midi i/o for sync. Has anyone already tried that soundcard? How are its effects? The price seems like a bargain for a 24 channels soundcard with dsp. Thanks in advance for any informations. Peace Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 22:30:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5873BED3; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004a01c6df5f$d531b690$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <09bb01c6dd57$13055e50$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Re: loopmaster vst Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:30:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:30:14 +0000 (UTC) I get a kick out of the description. "...consideration is on usability rather than exact emulation of old hardware" (hint, hint....EDP....though I see nothing wrong with emulating hardware, as some "old" hardware, EDPs included, still kicks ass and is pretty damn good!). "MASTERvst plug ins are designed to be intuitive and have almost no learning curve"...translated as, this looping VST offers only a minimum set of features, as any sophisticated software looper must necessarily have a learning curve. You want a knife that has virtual no learning curve? Buy a single blade pocket knife...you want one that is versatile, bet a Swiss Army knife or Leatherman, but expect a learning curve. This pocket knife is $30, by the way. If you want the Swiss pocket knife (Mobius), it's free. Imagine that. That's like, as that delightful Geico Insurance lizard says in his British accent, free pie and chips. :) Free pie and chips?!! I love that. Anyone try it yet? Kris ******************* About MASTERvst Thank you for visiting the MASTERvst website! MASTERvst is dedicated to bringing you hi quality VST(i) plug ins that are intuitive, powerful, and let you focus on making music. While the plug ins are beutiful, interface design consideration is on usability rather than exact emulation of old hardware. All MASTERvst plug ins are designed to be intuitive and have almost no learning curve. They also sound great. Please download one today and see for yourself. ******************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: oops: Re: loopmaster vst > Yes a link might be helpfull :). Here's the info/ link: > http://www.mastervst.com/ > > > On Sep 21, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > >> Where? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, 21 September, 2006 00:22 AM >> Subject: loopmaster vst >> >> >>> New (?) vst looper. "Windows" only so I couldn't check out. >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 02:00:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4033BEC2; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,208,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1735084219:sNHT36214184" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> References: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <16cc04f1ad1aac81c4685ff6512d7167@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:00:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Cool! Thanks for sharing. I have loved this album ever since it came out. I signed up and downloaded all of the WAV files this afternoon. Best regards, Ted Killian On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne > > This is the first time complete and total access to original tracks > with remix and sampling possibilities have been officially offered on > line. In keeping with the spirit of the original album, Brian and > David are offering for download all the multitracks on two of the > songs ["A Secret Life", "Help Me Somebody"]. > > [After registering] You are free to edit, remix, sample and mutilate > these tracks however you like. Add them to your own song or create a > new one. Visitors are welcome to post their mixes or songs that > incorporate these audio files on the site for others to hear and rate. > > My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts came out in 1981. Over the last decades, > hundreds of artists in genres ranging from DJs to alternative to > electronic have all borrowed from its ideas and claimed its influence. > It is now being re-issued ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 16:47:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DAFB3BEB3; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:47:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Different Skies 2006 Concert mp3s are now available for download To: Analogue Heaven Hyperreal Mailing List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Message-id: <4516B692.1020204@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Real and virtual analog gear and loopers were used at this concert! Cheers, Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [the_ambient_way] Different Skies 2006 Concert mp3s are now available for download Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:23 -0000 From: Jim Combs Reply-To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com MP3s of the Different Skies 2006 Concert are now available for download: http://www.differentskies.com/dailyphotolog200.html Enjoy! -Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 17:06:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A763BEB9; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:06:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic In-reply-to: <20060921101432.25548.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4516BB06.2040706@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060921101432.25548.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: >Anybody using this: > >would be interesting to add to an acoustic dual Pickup >system to one of the pickups to add bass,although a >boss OC-3 would probably do the job as well... > > Hi Luis, I have one (not the V2, an earlier model) to enhance the low end of a synth. The Kosmos will NOT be suitable for making your guitar sound like a bass. This is not its designed function. It's an enhancer. I imagine that the OC-3 would be more suitable for your purpose. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 19:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CF723BEC1; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qWZJFH2PrZw4w7c/+O69OGKVLCKWvUkCW9pOGrRiRCwFQlbWYva3nRubnZejwxcb; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4737461.1159127449904.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:50:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486a77dbee6a25cf029f4df02d27bf50fc99f37241381ec17c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:50:50 +0000 (UTC) this here has given me the best bass signal off a guitar http://www.zzounds.com/item--DGTWHAMMY -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Fox >Sent: Sep 24, 2006 10:06 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic > >L.A. Angulo wrote: > >>Anybody using this: >> >>would be interesting to add to an acoustic dual Pickup >>system to one of the pickups to add bass,although a >>boss OC-3 would probably do the job as well... >> >> >Hi Luis, > >I have one (not the V2, an earlier model) to enhance the low end of a >synth. The Kosmos will NOT be suitable for making your guitar sound >like a bass. This is not its designed function. It's an enhancer. I >imagine that the OC-3 would be more suitable for your purpose. > >Cheers, > >Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 21:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC54E3BEB0; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=btzPz5jaxjJt1BT4Z9C7FKNtVO9z90+Z5d1kS2Kt/ttvsYDBt7Y3185d3Z0VFLuk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <30424165.1159133144274.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:25:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: KakiKingKoolLoop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd480822af4e573919c74b2024ecd3557ccd89663e5c6b578e64350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:25:44 +0000 (UTC) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3034526555749695335&hl=en From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 21:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 550E63BEC5; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pc+up5M/Vx+N73KJnY0D7sfHBa35Thfo4X7TshkBsPvy2MIZS1yX3V/griPuDrsWpitV87ez4QqRiCXlA7NkcgSeJ5ZgThKPrwUZA7YeE6Xv+RAej9bB3G4qEvAcloR40+zN28nO/ZcuDpXtlC0OIT4ViDibofC4ab8iMWU1qoo= ; Message-ID: <20060924213842.75070.qmail@web27712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:38:42 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: AGF likes MaxMSP... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:38:44 +0000 (UTC) AGF (Antye Greie) eulogises Max/MSP (and Radial in passing) in a video here ... http://www.synthesisters.com/download/videos/agf_web.mov. AGF's web site is at http://www.poemproducer.com - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 00:37:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28E153BEB9; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z1mXikrk6/OxocRgURjcLDznP/Fnt9SaoJDYKeHIRyq0qu0chKDfjnfX+01SyHz2PjuWwOvNe1p1DRYprXWTkLPUYnJ9BbWQLrgdjD0KzW7N1u8X667SJK7wFcBJsRZ8J4+v6ANqiBkgkO7n+ohEPO6wIIsFJtlW7bZTJhCIY2s= ; Message-ID: <20060925003754.80029.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: computer interface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_hqDaD.A.QYG.iTyFFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:37:54 +0000 (UTC) I know, I think I pee'd my pants a little when I saw that. Good times are coming. Hopefully they'll get here before we create a species of mutant monsters that kill us all. M --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > think of the music/loop manipulation applications: > > http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 03:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6623BEC1; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:53:06 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: computer interface In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c6e056$1bca2640$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4S_fYD.A.ZsD.1H1FFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that link. Very cool. Has anyone here ever played with that Jazz Mutant Lemur thing that Cycling '74 distributes? Is it somewhere along the same lines? As a computer guy, I think the control surface and apps are awesome. As a musician, I kinda want something that I can pound, blow or pluck, something that fights back a little... I get that Han's invention is pressure-sensitive, but that's probably not be enough to give it the expressivity that, I believe, can only come from physical resistance. I remember being really impressed by Buchla's Thunder, but it never seemed to me that someone sliding their fingers along a surface had much inherent drama (okay, so I'm a ham. I even hate sitting down when I play guitar in front of people, even though I'm about 15% better in that position). Buchla's Lightning, OTOH, had some real pizzazz (still no resistance, though - don't know if those who played it much felt that as a limitation or not) Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com See you at the Loopfest! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: computer interface > > > think of the music/loop manipulation applications: > > http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flash > Enabled=1 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 14:13:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D62E3BEB0; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=GX9WDYP/X50TWIo5pbGsTit49Fb2pJM71DrHk2rMVg1qL/0pMPqAfYLrj7gwUsrwuUq6ORNoaf8WwifbzAU0KOt+Rj6Gdt/wER8BgZiul7oVkuFX8by8atzYvYAQzlqcXdmZoUfo1yV1xPdBvXj+we7D6+FvL2l8041Ynysr48I= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:13:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> Thread-Index: AcbfPhzAx7wBUPUqSy6/M3X3Kv/BvQBbnjog Message-Id: <20060925141325.001303BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:13:28 +0000 (UTC) a couple of my remixes can be found at TwistedAppleRecords.com m -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:28 PM To: Loopers Subject: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne This is the first time complete and total access to original tracks with remix and sampling possibilities have been officially offered on line. In keeping with the spirit of the original album, Brian and David are offering for download all the multitracks on two of the songs ["A Secret Life", "Help Me Somebody"]. [After registering] You are free to edit, remix, sample and mutilate these tracks however you like. Add them to your own song or create a new one. Visitors are welcome to post their mixes or songs that incorporate these audio files on the site for others to hear and rate. My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts came out in 1981. Over the last decades, hundreds of artists in genres ranging from DJs to alternative to electronic have all borrowed from its ideas and claimed its influence. It is now being re-issued ... cited from: http://bush-of-ghosts.com/ http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 14:27:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F05D33BED8; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> References: <7A21B365-DEC7-407E-987E-A694A8ECF746@xmlizer.biz> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:27:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711203b6f26c2c6551fc4ce3bc6e9d17bf4178858d97c050d2b86350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) One of the greatest records ever. Isn't it interesting how the guitar tracks on "A Secret Life" are all mislabeled as 'Synth" tracks? >My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts / Brian Eno, David Byrne > >This is the first time complete and total access to original tracks >with remix and sampling possibilities have been officially offered >on line. In keeping with the spirit of the original album, Brian and >David are offering for download all the multitracks on two of the >songs ["A Secret Life", "Help Me Somebody"]. > >[After registering] You are free to edit, remix, sample and mutilate >these tracks however you like. Add them to your own song or create a >new one. Visitors are welcome to post their mixes or songs that >incorporate these audio files on the site for others to hear and >rate. > >My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts came out in 1981. Over the last >decades, hundreds of artists in genres ranging from DJs to >alternative to electronic have all borrowed from its ideas and >claimed its influence. It is now being re-issued ... > > >cited from: >http://bush-of-ghosts.com/ > >http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm > > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 15:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2F8D3BEB8; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c401c6e0b6$cdd277b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Peavy Kosomos Subharmonic Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:25:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6pkTgD.A.7v.gT_FFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:25:20 +0000 (UTC) The Stanasaur wrote: "this here has given me the best bass signal off a guitar http://www.zzounds.com/item--DGTWHAMMY" I love my Digitech Red Whammy. I have the old version which I like better than the new reissue but it is noiser.............just a warmer sound though. I seem to be one of the few people on this forum who doesn't mind noise (probably my damaged rock and roll hearing) but I know it drives some people crazy. I also love the octave fuzz addition to the Boss OD-20 distortion/fuzz/overdrive modeller. If you like distortion, it's a really a great alternative to buying a zillion botique pedals. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 17:51:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DD2F3BECF; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:51:43 -0600 Message-Id: <200609251751.k8PHphJ30702@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: Looping video X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5ybr6B.A.fSG.1cBGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) >Wow, Kevin, these are really beautiful......................so >mesmerizing >and also so stimulating at the same time. Beautiful work. Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed them. >Can you share with us how you animate them? Sure. These are all basically animated slides. I scan my photographs and then drop them into Premiere or After Effects and mess about with them until they move around nicely and look very little like the original photgraphs they were. I really love converting static images into moving video. >They are so sophisticated compared to my little toy camera/toy >lighting effects vids. I've got pleny of those too, I just haven't posted the live video experiments yet (although I've got some tasty video feedback things that I might post later). Thanks for asking Kevin >Kevin wrote: >"Following the lead of Rick Walker, I've posted some abstract video >pieces I made to accompany some loopy music of mine. If you're so >inclined, they are living at" >http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Billowhead -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:08:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4A93BEC2; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TaTECitfoANEN7pM97Cxv9xeRDF5uR/lb4b1geTic46J/Z14fq46QOobs2axX9BKpMh2nBzEEx516GM0/T1TMwUbuGFtKfKbe0VfPeEemyFN7MBk+S0IZnM8qhhBAHKZv+kKtPT+tNQRFINhKTOChakzanFr1xN0wUjU2wuzOOE= Message-ID: <8ff09c390609251108w1ee7a7fg7bbe4acdcfe2f27e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:08:20 -0400 From: "David Kenzik" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [FS] Looping Equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40781_32878684.1159207700276" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:08:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40781_32878684.1159207700276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really use. Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two EDP's with LoopIV (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my Electrix Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon. I also have quite a few other items for sale, including guitars, amps, processors, etc. Contact me off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list... Now back to my LP1... ;-) -dk ------=_Part_40781_32878684.1159207700276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really use.

    Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two EDP's with LoopIV (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my Electrix Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon.

    I also have quite a few other items for sale, including guitars, amps, processors, etc. Contact me off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list...

    Now back to my LP1... ;-)

    -dk


    ------=_Part_40781_32878684.1159207700276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:55:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362FF3BEB0; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c6e0dc$9b74ae20$aba5eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <8ff09c390609251108w1ee7a7fg7bbe4acdcfe2f27e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FS] Looping Equipment Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:55:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C6E0BB.142EB7B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:55:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C6E0BB.142EB7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, David: I'm interested. Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Kenzik=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: [FS] Looping Equipment I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really use. Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two EDP's with = LoopIV (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my = Electrix Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon.=20 I also have quite a few other items for sale, including guitars, amps, = processors, etc. Contact me off-list for a list off-list for a list = off-list for a list off-list... Now back to my LP1... ;-) -dk=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C6E0BB.142EB7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi, David:
     
    I'm interested.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 David = Kenzik=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, September 25, = 2006 2:08=20 PM
    Subject: [FS] Looping = Equipment

    I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really=20 use.

    Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two = EDP's with=20 LoopIV (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my = Electrix=20 Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon.

    I also have quite a = few=20 other items for sale, including guitars, amps, processors, etc. = Contact me=20 off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list for a list=20 off-list...

    Now back to my LP1... ;-)

    -dk=20


    ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C6E0BB.142EB7B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 20:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE263BED0; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lJgQYmXNQfHK0Tf2BFasdoQxNtEafmEJQuWoIJVHNthntU9tg7SU8K+Jyr8tODVALP6LFoRXP39uDKwZm2gSU5Ti1UYvy3rWwMVYjbTKDpBqeYJX3QWG0H58q5HEtbgCHNU3t/DvLzAfLVis0P7QNBUuUOMfwn1DVcLSwuuDUFw= Message-ID: <8ff09c390609251311q41840f1bk531703cefc5f675e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:11:27 -0400 From: "David Kenzik" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [FS] Looping Equipment In-Reply-To: <008501c6e0dc$9b74ae20$aba5eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44186_14533430.1159215087741" References: <8ff09c390609251108w1ee7a7fg7bbe4acdcfe2f27e@mail.gmail.com> <008501c6e0dc$9b74ae20$aba5eb44@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:11:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_44186_14533430.1159215087741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul, make a reasonable offer on the EDP, the other EDP or the Repeater. Also, feel free to take a look at everything I'm selling: http://kenzik.com/blowout.html The two basses, adrenalinn and qy70 was JUST sold a few minutes ago. The Roland drum kit is 90%. Everything else is available. On 9/25/06, Paul wrote: > > Hi, David: > > I'm interested. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Kenzik > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2006 2:08 PM > *Subject:* [FS] Looping Equipment > > I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really use. > > Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two EDP's with LoopIV > (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my Electrix > Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon. > > I also have quite a few other items for sale, including guitars, amps, > processors, etc. Contact me off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list > for a list off-list... > > Now back to my LP1... ;-) > > -dk > > > ------=_Part_44186_14533430.1159215087741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul, make a reasonable offer on the EDP, the other EDP or the Repeater.

    Also, feel free to take a look at everything I'm selling:

    http://kenzik.com/blowout.html

    The two basses, adrenalinn and qy70 was JUST sold a few minutes ago. The Roland drum kit is 90%. Everything else is available.

    On 9/25/06, Paul < paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
    Hi, David:
     
    I'm interested.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Kenzik
    Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:08 PM
    Subject: [FS] Looping Equipment

    I'm purging some equipment that I no longer really use.

    Unless I get fair offers off-list, I'll be placing two EDP's with LoopIV (the dirty white ones), the matching foot controller and my Electrix Repeater with 512CF (Pretec) on eBay soon.

    I also have quite a few other items for sale, including guitars, amps, processors, etc. Contact me off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list for a list off-list...

    Now back to my LP1... ;-)

    -dk



    ------=_Part_44186_14533430.1159215087741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 21:49:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDA973BECF; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060925144852.mja1nu7wvsw08w4w@webmail.pushingair.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:48:52 -0700 From: Pushing Air To: Loopers Delight Subject: 10/5: Pushing Air at The Luggage Store MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) Resent-Message-ID: <1sgNLC.A.4_F.N7EGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Come hear... creative musician ~ Oluyemi Thomas and ~ Pushing Air live looping vocals Thursday October 5th 8pm at The Luggage Store 1007 Market Street near 6th Street San Francisco, CA 94103 (415) 255-5971 $6-10 sliding scale All ages welcome Oluyemi Thomas was born in Detroit, Michigan. He studied at Washtenaw =20 College in Ann Arbor, Michigan where he received an Associate of =20 Science degree in Mechanical Engineering. While attending Washtenaw =20 College, he also studied music and the spiritual and physical nature =20 of sound & silence. Great love and respect for the Arts is regarded as =20 a gem to his parents who passed this on to him and his sisters and =20 brothers. In his childhood years his mother & father often listened to =20 the masters Duke Ellington, Dizzy Gillespie, Dinah Washington and =20 Billie Holiday. As a creative musician, performer, recording artist =20 teacher and engineer, Mr. Thomas seeks to express his abiding love for =20 the hidden power of Art. Oluyemi?s primary focus is to touch the inner =20 core of individuals, be it in a forum, radio, television, recording or =20 on the bandstand. For two decades he & his lovely wife poet Ijeoma =20 have been members of the music and poetry unit Positive Knowledge. =20 (Bass Clarinet/Saxophone) He may be heard on Music & Arts, Ear Light =20 Records, Eremite, Rastascan & BMG labels. His travels to Africa, the =20 Middle East & Europe are elements he brings to the mix. Oluyemi?s =20 experience in sharing musical language utterance include the great =20 Cecil Taylor, Wadada Leo Smith, Alan Silva, William Parker, Wilber =20 Morris, John Tchicai, Roscoe Mitchell and wonderful conversations with =20 Anthony Braxton and Charles Gayle. Mr. Oluyemi believes ?The =20 musician?s art is among those arts worthy of the highest praise?? and =20 ?Music should lead to spirituality?? Pushing Air is a San Francisco-based, solo acapella, live-looping =20 project blending high-diva vocals, jazz-based improvisation, =20 beatboxing and extended vocal technique. Conservatory-trained and =20 bebop-schooled vocalist Diana Thompson writes and performs all parts, =20 from vocalizing drums and bass to singing lead vocals and harmonies. =20 Borrowing techniques from scat singing and extended vocal technique, =20 Diana uses non-English words and syllables to focus keenly on =20 entrancing groove-making. For more on Pushing Air, go to =20 www.pushingair.com --=20 Pushing Air live looping solo acapella www.pushingair.com on MySpace at: www.myspace.com/pushingair From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 14:55:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A39853BED2; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iI6XCLRmrm7l2BjK9OHTFmJ+t6reCE7pzC4RfhL7DbODXq94KUsxsnUgupUHVMKsFaZgfr/EwlqmfvnCtuZznjf8XXjZTX7se24T5iH5ixwc3Wi0+WdssZ50Ids837G1d2LFUfZQuBZqC5Z5H8rZhw88I4aPV5nVdjfn0xFr7I4= Message-ID: <700a58560609260755j349b106erc116fee6274e1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:55:14 +0100 From: "Nick (Ecce)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8973_23104745.1159282514003" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:55:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8973_23104745.1159282514003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi there, Another member of this list kindly lent me an Electro Harmonix 2880 to evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been so busy!) I thought it would be useful to share my experience. I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to an Akai MPC1000 (sending only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and synth into the 2880. After fiddling around with trying to get loops synced up for ages, this is the best way of doing things that I have come up with: 1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure quantize is off! 2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this does not start the recording process, but the midi sync LED will start flashing with the record LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the sequencer) 3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start recording (I always make this first loop a blank loop) 4. Before your required loop length is up, press quantize. 5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of your required loop length, and before your desired restart point of the loop press play. The quantize button will flash until that bar is up, then the 2880 will go into play mode, with a loop length identical to the number of bars you would like. Anything you recorded during that time would likely be useless as it would be stretched all over the place - hence why I keep it blank. This is useful for the kind of applications I had in mind for a looper, as I wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a song performance. This way I am assured of, say, a four bar repeating loop during a song that I can continually overdub to, punch in to, re-record etc. The caveat is that if you were to then press "reverse", you hear and analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of the entire loop until it is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't want that effect it is necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer until you know you are safe! In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced looper, but not if you want to start looping from the moment you press record. It's needs some time to settle down before you can start having fun. Once you are there though, there is much fun to be had - IMO recording with the faders slightly lower than maximum gives a great feedback effect over time. The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is *not* stop the 2880 when I stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback while I load up samples for the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme know. ------=_Part_8973_23104745.1159282514003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi there,

    Another member of this list kindly lent me an Electro Harmonix 2880 to evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been so busy!)

    I thought it would be useful to share my experience.

    I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to an Akai MPC1000 (sending only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and synth into the 2880.

    After fiddling around with trying to get loops synced up for ages, this is the best way of doing things that I have come up with:

    1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure quantize is off!
    2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this does not start the recording process, but the midi sync LED will start flashing with the record LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the sequencer)
    3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start recording (I always make this first loop a blank loop)
    4. Before your required loop length is up, press quantize.
    5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of your required loop length, and before your desired restart point of the loop press play. The quantize button will flash until that bar is up, then the 2880 will go into play mode, with a loop length identical to the number of bars you would like. Anything you recorded during that time would likely be useless as it would be stretched all over the place - hence why I keep it blank.

    This is useful for the kind of applications I had in mind for a looper, as I wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a song performance. This way I am assured of, say, a four bar repeating loop during a song that I can continually overdub to, punch in to, re-record etc.

    The caveat is that if you were to then press "reverse", you hear and analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of the entire loop until it is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't want that effect it is necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer until you know you are safe!

    In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced looper, but not if you want to start looping from the moment you press record. It's needs some time to settle down before you can start having fun. Once you are there though, there is much fun to be had - IMO recording with the faders slightly lower than maximum gives a great feedback effect over time.

    The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is *not* stop the 2880 when I stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback while I load up samples for the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme know.
    ------=_Part_8973_23104745.1159282514003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 15:16:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5133BED8; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <700a58560609260755j349b106erc116fee6274e1e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <700a58560609260755j349b106erc116fee6274e1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:16:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711202210ff86a3cc172f1475e0996142ff2f480e0e5d2f5ffe94350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.169 Resent-Message-ID: <4i_LXC.A.QmH.fRUGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Nick, If you run the 2880 as the MIDI clock master, you can eliminate the tape machine reverse ballistics, and also this will allow you to stop the MPC and keep the 2880 running. In this case you should set the quantize loop switch ON. Also, by using the 2880 as the master, there will be no issues with recording during the initial pass. -CZ >Hi there, > >Another member of this list kindly lent me an Electro Harmonix 2880 >to evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been so busy!) > >I thought it would be useful to share my experience. > >I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to an Akai MPC1000 >(sending only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and synth into >the 2880. > >After fiddling around with trying to get loops synced up for ages, >this is the best way of doing things that I have come up with: > >1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure quantize is off! >2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this does not start >the recording process, but the midi sync LED will start flashing >with the record LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the >sequencer) >3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start recording (I >always make this first loop a blank loop) >4. Before your required loop length is up, press quantize. >5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of your required >loop length, and before your desired restart point of the loop press >play. The quantize button will flash until that bar is up, then the >2880 will go into play mode, with a loop length identical to the >number of bars you would like. Anything you recorded during that >time would likely be useless as it would be stretched all over the >place - hence why I keep it blank. > >This is useful for the kind of applications I had in mind for a >looper, as I wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a >song performance. This way I am assured of, say, a four bar >repeating loop during a song that I can continually overdub to, >punch in to, re-record etc. > >The caveat is that if you were to then press "reverse", you hear and >analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of the entire loop >until it is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't want >that effect it is necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer >until you know you are safe! > >In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced looper, but not if >you want to start looping from the moment you press record. It's >needs some time to settle down before you can start having fun. Once >you are there though, there is much fun to be had - IMO recording >with the faders slightly lower than maximum gives a great feedback >effect over time. > >The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is *not* stop the >2880 when I stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback while I >load up samples for the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme >know. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 15:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFCBE3BED9; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OGlHY36qbckuN2alkOGVEK9aN2KS4PdY138yGlYipyDpeLRjyTOa0E40C9C4vDH5QAAF93+ol3yggFcHtzNmtFX7PAX71WDP4gPGMzD9RHMV/X3sEUkzrUOrSfUmFDrSsxDrBH//COjDjSE1UqNRJZFkP79/wDoo7z8PmGT4WwU= Message-ID: <700a58560609260820v1c33dd24ye0ddda16b138da1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:20:47 +0100 From: "Nick (Ecce)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9663_2171881.1159284047945" References: <700a58560609260755j349b106erc116fee6274e1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:20:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9663_2171881.1159284047945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Useful to know, and thanks, but not applicable for me as (if i'm not wrong) I can't set the 2880 to an exact BPM. My beats and some of my loops etc. are all set up in my sampler and require an accurate BPM count. Nick. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charles Zwicky Date: Sep 26, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Nick, If you run the 2880 as the MIDI clock master, you can eliminate the tape machine reverse ballistics, and also this will allow you to stop the MPC and keep the 2880 running. In this case you should set the quantize loop switch ON. Also, by using the 2880 as the master, there will be no issues with recording during the initial pass. -CZ >Hi there, > >Another member of this list kindly lent me an Electro Harmonix 2880 >to evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been so busy!) > >I thought it would be useful to share my experience. > >I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to an Akai MPC1000 >(sending only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and synth into >the 2880. > >After fiddling around with trying to get loops synced up for ages, >this is the best way of doing things that I have come up with: > >1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure quantize is off! >2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this does not start >the recording process, but the midi sync LED will start flashing >with the record LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the >sequencer) >3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start recording (I >always make this first loop a blank loop) >4. Before your required loop length is up, press quantize. >5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of your required >loop length, and before your desired restart point of the loop press >play. The quantize button will flash until that bar is up, then the >2880 will go into play mode, with a loop length identical to the >number of bars you would like. Anything you recorded during that >time would likely be useless as it would be stretched all over the >place - hence why I keep it blank. > >This is useful for the kind of applications I had in mind for a >looper, as I wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a >song performance. This way I am assured of, say, a four bar >repeating loop during a song that I can continually overdub to, >punch in to, re-record etc. > >The caveat is that if you were to then press "reverse", you hear and >analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of the entire loop >until it is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't want >that effect it is necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer >until you know you are safe! > >In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced looper, but not if >you want to start looping from the moment you press record. It's >needs some time to settle down before you can start having fun. Once >you are there though, there is much fun to be had - IMO recording >with the faders slightly lower than maximum gives a great feedback >effect over time. > >The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is *not* stop the >2880 when I stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback while I >load up samples for the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme >know. -- ... http://www.zmix.net ------=_Part_9663_2171881.1159284047945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Useful to know, and thanks, but not applicable for me as (if i'm not wrong) I can't set the 2880 to an exact BPM.

    My beats and some of my loops etc. are all set up in my sampler and require an accurate BPM count.

    Nick.

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
    Date: Sep 26, 2006 4:16 PM
    Subject: Re: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post)
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

    Nick,
      If you run the 2880 as the MIDI clock master, you can eliminate the
    tape machine reverse ballistics, and also this will allow you to stop
    the MPC and keep the 2880 running. In this case you should set the
    quantize loop switch ON. Also, by using the 2880 as the master, there
    will be no issues with recording during the initial pass.

    -CZ


    >Hi there,
    >
    >Another member of this list kindly lent me an Electro Harmonix 2880
    >to evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been so busy!)
    >
    >I thought it would be useful to share my experience.
    >
    >I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to an Akai MPC1000
    >(sending only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and synth into
    >the 2880.
    >
    >After fiddling around with trying to get loops synced up for ages,
    >this is the best way of doing things that I have come up with:
    >
    >1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure quantize is off!
    >2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this does not start
    >the recording process, but the midi sync LED will start flashing
    >with the record LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the
    >sequencer)
    >3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start recording (I
    >always make this first loop a blank loop)
    >4. Before your required loop length is up, press quantize.
    >5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of your required
    >loop length, and before your desired restart point of the loop press
    >play. The quantize button will flash until that bar is up, then the
    >2880 will go into play mode, with a loop length identical to the
    >number of bars you would like. Anything you recorded during that
    >time would likely be useless as it would be stretched all over the
    >place - hence why I keep it blank.
    >
    >This is useful for the kind of applications I had in mind for a
    >looper, as I wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a
    >song performance. This way I am assured of, say, a four bar
    >repeating loop during a song that I can continually overdub to,
    >punch in to, re-record etc.
    >
    >The caveat is that if you were to then press "reverse", you hear and
    >analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of the entire loop
    >until it is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't want
    >that effect it is necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer
    >until you know you are safe!
    >
    >In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced looper, but not if
    >you want to start looping from the moment you press record. It's
    >needs some time to settle down before you can start having fun. Once
    >you are there though, there is much fun to be had - IMO recording
    >with the faders slightly lower than maximum gives a great feedback
    >effect over time.
    >
    >The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is *not* stop the
    >2880 when I stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback while I
    >load up samples for the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme
    >know.


    --
    ...
    http://www.zmix.net

    ------=_Part_9663_2171881.1159284047945-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 17:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3EF3BEDC; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K+sYSmnx+c8UyI6qmmWPdJI5XSRRQK3qyG1orbOexaFJ0aClVH5f0ceTP4hJ2ZtmNKWW7vaFaIxpO2RmdpPbCk5nT5qfbhpypY5BySDTrpFpECI9V4AwY/b3h/+KMQofU/ttca3NCTWMJjIhA5/kszv/Rr64G3zZs/hj4WDEN5s= ; Message-ID: <20060926173451.49805.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I recently bought the new Electro-Harmonix 2880 'super multi-track looper' and the foot controller which is sold separately - If you're interested in reading my overall impressions of the unit, go here: http://livelooping.tribe.net/thread/96dc3e34-2c4d-404c-a21c-1ac401d7167c - But I just joined this list to raise a specific issue that calls for a solution (or else I am gonna have to list this just over 30-day old gear on eBay because I can't use it in its present state)... THE FOOT CONTROLLER: The push-button switches (there are six of 'em) are TOO DAMNED LOUD - I play acoustic wind instruments, mainly, which is to say, although sometimes I might create loops from electronic components and sources, mostly I bought this thing to loop instrumental parts played on instruments which require a microphone to get the sound into my mixer and from there out the effects send into the looper - And if the gain on the mic preamp is set at the appropriate level to get a good signal from my horn, it picks up the loud DOUBLE-CLICK made by the footswitch each time you depress the record button to begin and end the loop, and then adds this jarring mechanical sound to the recorded loop after each cycle - If I were using this to loop my horn while playing with a loud backing band with a drummer, MAYBE I could get away with this obnoxious click in the loop, but for building layered ambient-type compositions, or even a three-part flute or bass clarinet piece, forget it... So I called Electro-Harmonix and talked to their guy who designed or built the foot controller, hoping he would be able to modify the unit: add dampers to the switches or replace them with quieter ones - He said he'd have to do some research because he didn't know of any quieter switches - In the meantime I thought I'd ask you guys, since I am sure I am not the only acoustic musician in the looping community who has run into this problem (you electric guitarists and keyboardists are fortunate in that however loud the mechanical noise produced by your footswitches, you don't have to worry about it being picked up and recorded on your loop through your pickups or the internal circuitry of your electronic instrument)... I have already done some research myself - One answer I got was to get some switches from Mouser Electronics, because these are the ones used on the EDP foot controller, and supposedly they are quieter (though also notoriously fragile, though I haven't used the EDP, so I can't say) - If I choose to do this I will need to know exactly what product number the suggested Mouser switch has, because I looked on their site and they have dozens of push-button type switches... The other suggestion I got was that Mesa Boogie Amp company makes a line of foot pedalboards with push-button switches that are claimed to be both quiet and sturdy - I called Mesa and of course they would not tell me where they get their component parts used to build their products, so I would have to spend over $100 (at the very least) to buy a Mesa pedalboard just to rip it apart for the switches (which are probably worth under $5, I'm gonna need six of 'em)... I really do not want to sell this practically new 2880 with the foot controller and all the compact flash cards I already bought to use for it, and start over with shopping for a live looper, so all I really need to do is to get some *relatively quiet* (I don't mean silent, of course) switches and pay the guy at E-H or someone to replace them for me (I don't know jack about electronic circuits and I don't have a soldering iron, myself) - I haven't used very many pedals or footswitches in the past, like a lot of you guitarists have, I'm sure... but none of them were anywhere near as loud as this 2880 foot controller... the switches on the 2880 proper are unobtrusively quiet, so what were they thinking when they built these stupid footswitches?... Thanks too any of you knowledgeable folks who can offer suggestions... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 17:38:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853CA3BED6; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4519648D.80202@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:34:05 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: asynchronus hardware loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <85t_KD.A.mQH.mWWGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've been happily working with my EDP+ stereo setup for many months now. The main feature that I rely on for creating structure of a piece is NextLoop. I'll record 3 or 4 independent loops and toggle between them like some twisted verse-chorus-bridge thing. I conceptualize this as a "horizontal" looper where I build discrete sections and then chain them. It's great for the way I work...but...the next thing that I want to do structure wise is I guess called asynchronus looping. By that I mean laying down say a bass part in 4/4, then overlaying a drum part in 5/4, and maybe a vocal part in 7/4. I conceptualize this as a "vertical" looper where 1 section is built on top of the other. I'm guessing this is the concept of the Looperlative, correct? Throwing a Looperlative in front of my EDP+ setup is way too much money for what I'm looking for. Are there other hardware loopers I could get to add asynchronus looping to my EDP+ setup without paying so much? I'm thinking that by putting an asynch looper in front of my EDP+ setup I could create "vertical" loops then package them as "horizontal" loop sections and have the best of both worlds :-) Any thoughts? Thanks, Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 17:51:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2AF53BEE0; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=amEV5ePcoScJFzQBiQqVSPJvWiuv9oFlOzoFFNfpBBgaiQ8tOqGDqihSQmhp5YZxJxp06gpsEzSHKhVsEYrHi6+b/9+KsObKEo4T326iFmofp8vRysyznw/xkdXMtwIenpw+W/etohsWvxgBYweDGest8qa00A6CG9vYkPwxAmA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4519648D.80202@speakeasy.net> References: <4519648D.80202@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: asynchronus hardware loopers Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:51:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <17TBLC.A.BN.5iWGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) On 26 sep 2006, at 19.34, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > I've been happily working with my EDP+ stereo setup for many > months now. The main feature that I rely on for creating structure > of a piece is NextLoop. I'll record 3 or 4 independent loops and > toggle between them like some twisted verse-chorus-bridge thing. I > conceptualize this as a "horizontal" looper where I build discrete > sections and then chain them. It's great for the way I > work...but...the next thing that I want to do structure wise is I > guess called asynchronus looping. By that I mean laying down say a > bass part in 4/4, then overlaying a drum part in 5/4, and maybe a > vocal part in 7/4. I conceptualize this as a "vertical" looper > where 1 section is built on top of the other. I'm guessing this is > the concept of the Looperlative, correct? Throwing a Looperlative > in front of my EDP+ setup is way too much money for what I'm > looking for. Are there other hardware loopers I could get to add > asynchronus looping to my EDP+ setup without paying so much? > > I'm thinking that by putting an asynch looper in front of my EDP+ > setup I could create "vertical" loops then package them as > "horizontal" loop sections and have the best of both worlds :-) > Any thoughts? Some quick ideas: - Use both EDP's to record two simultaneous loops of different lengths. - Work out the maths in advance, so you know by heart how many loops of each time measure will match up for the first, second etc "Downbeat Eclipse". - Jump between FullSpeed and HalfSpeed while overdubbing a new loop targeting a new time measure (needs some math as well as trial and error to find out the tricks). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 18:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CE883BED8; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060926173451.49805.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060926173451.49805.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:21:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1052827625==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711202210ff86a3cc172f5dc6941eff4eea9d59f61d7a4ee93600350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:21:10 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1052827625==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The 2880 foot controller uses a simple SPST momentary switch. I think they are noisy, too. Radio shack sells a plastic momentary push switch that is virtually silent, but because it is plastic, it may be a bit fragile. http://www.radioshack.com/sm-see-all-needs-and-wants--pi-2062508.html >Hello, I recently bought the new Electro-Harmonix 2880 'super >multi-track looper' and the foot >controller which is sold separately - If you're interested in >reading my overall impressions of >the unit, go here: >http://livelooping.tribe.net/thread/96dc3e34-2c4d-404c-a21c-1ac401d7167c >- But >I just joined this list to raise a specific issue that calls for a >solution (or else I am gonna >have to list this just over 30-day old gear on eBay because I can't >use it in its present >state)... > >THE FOOT CONTROLLER: The push-button switches (there are six of 'em) >are TOO DAMNED LOUD - I play >acoustic wind instruments, mainly, which is to say, although >sometimes I might create loops from >electronic components and sources, mostly I bought this thing to >loop instrumental parts played on >instruments which require a microphone to get the sound into my >mixer and from there out the >effects send into the looper - And if the gain on the mic preamp is >set at the appropriate level >to get a good signal from my horn, it picks up the loud DOUBLE-CLICK >made by the footswitch each >time you depress the record button to begin and end the loop, and >then adds this jarring >mechanical sound to the recorded loop after each cycle - If I were >using this to loop my horn >while playing with a loud backing band with a drummer, MAYBE I could >get away with this obnoxious >click in the loop, but for building layered ambient-type >compositions, or even a three-part flute >or bass clarinet piece, forget it... > >So I called Electro-Harmonix and talked to their guy who designed or >built the foot controller, >hoping he would be able to modify the unit: add dampers to the >switches or replace them with >quieter ones - He said he'd have to do some research because he >didn't know of any quieter >switches - In the meantime I thought I'd ask you guys, since I am >sure I am not the only acoustic >musician in the looping community who has run into this problem (you >electric guitarists and >keyboardists are fortunate in that however loud the mechanical noise >produced by your >footswitches, you don't have to worry about it being picked up and >recorded on your loop through >your pickups or the internal circuitry of your electronic instrument)... > >I have already done some research myself - One answer I got was to >get some switches from Mouser >Electronics, because these are the ones used on the EDP foot >controller, and supposedly they are >quieter (though also notoriously fragile, though I haven't used the >EDP, so I can't say) - If I >choose to do this I will need to know exactly what product number >the suggested Mouser switch has, >because I looked on their site and they have dozens of push-button >type switches... > >The other suggestion I got was that Mesa Boogie Amp company makes a >line of foot pedalboards with >push-button switches that are claimed to be both quiet and sturdy - >I called Mesa and of course >they would not tell me where they get their component parts used to >build their products, so I >would have to spend over $100 (at the very least) to buy a Mesa >pedalboard just to rip it apart >for the switches (which are probably worth under $5, I'm gonna need >six of 'em)... > >I really do not want to sell this practically new 2880 with the foot >controller and all the >compact flash cards I already bought to use for it, and start over >with shopping for a live >looper, so all I really need to do is to get some *relatively quiet* >(I don't mean silent, of >course) switches and pay the guy at E-H or someone to replace them >for me (I don't know jack about >electronic circuits and I don't have a soldering iron, myself) - I >haven't used very many pedals >or footswitches in the past, like a lot of you guitarists have, I'm >sure... but none of them were >anywhere near as loud as this 2880 foot controller... the switches >on the 2880 proper are >unobtrusively quiet, so what were they thinking when they built >these stupid footswitches?... > >Thanks too any of you knowledgeable folks who can offer suggestions... > >Ferrara Brain Pan > >http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com > > >"Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." > > >Noel Scott Engel -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1052827625==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?...

    The 2880 foot controller uses a simple SPST momentary switch.
    I think they are noisy, too. Radio shack sells a plastic momentary push switch that is virtually silent, but because it is plastic, it may be a bit fragile.

    http://www.radioshack.com/sm-see-all-needs-and-wants--pi-2062508.html


    Hello, I recently bought the new Electro-Harmonix 2880 'super multi-track looper' and the foot
    controller which is sold separately - If you're interested in reading my overall impressions of
    the unit, go here: http://livelooping.tribe.net/thread/96dc3e34-2c4d-404c-a21c-1ac401d7167c - But
    I just joined this list to raise a specific issue that calls for a solution (or else I am gonna
    have to list this just over 30-day old gear on eBay because I can't use it in its present
    state)...

    THE FOOT CONTROLLER: The push-button switches (there are six of 'em) are TOO DAMNED LOUD - I play
    acoustic wind instruments, mainly, which is to say, although sometimes I might create loops from
    electronic components and sources, mostly I bought this thing to loop instrumental parts played on
    instruments which require a microphone to get the sound into my mixer and from there out the
    effects send into the looper - And if the gain on the mic preamp is set at the appropriate level
    to get a good signal from my horn, it picks up the loud DOUBLE-CLICK made by the footswitch each
    time you depress the record button to begin and end the loop, and then adds this jarring
    mechanical sound to the recorded loop after each cycle - If I were using this to loop my horn
    while playing with a loud backing band with a drummer, MAYBE I could get away with this obnoxious
    click in the loop, but for building layered ambient-type compositions, or even a three-part flute
    or bass clarinet piece, forget it...

    So I called Electro-Harmonix and talked to their guy who designed or built the foot controller,
    hoping he would be able to modify the unit: add dampers to the switches or replace them with
    quieter ones - He said he'd have to do some research because he didn't know of any quieter
    switches - In the meantime I thought I'd ask you guys, since I am sure I am not the only acoustic
    musician in the looping community who has run into this problem (you electric guitarists and
    keyboardists are fortunate in that however loud the mechanical noise produced by your
    footswitches, you don't have to worry about it being picked up and recorded on your loop through
    your pickups or the internal circuitry of your electronic instrument)...

    I have already done some research myself - One answer I got was to get some switches from Mouser
    Electronics, because these are the ones used on the EDP foot controller, and supposedly they are
    quieter (though also notoriously fragile, though I haven't used the EDP, so I can't say) - If I
    choose to do this I will need to know exactly what product number the suggested Mouser switch has,
    because I looked on their site and they have dozens of push-button type switches...

    The other suggestion I got was that Mesa Boogie Amp company makes a line of foot pedalboards with
    push-button switches that are claimed to be both quiet and sturdy - I called Mesa and of course
    they would not tell me where they get their component parts used to build their products, so I
    would have to spend over $100 (at the very least) to buy a Mesa pedalboard just to rip it apart
    for the switches (which are probably worth under $5, I'm gonna need six of 'em)...

    I really do not want to sell this practically new 2880 with the foot controller and all the
    compact flash cards I already bought to use for it, and start over with shopping for a live
    looper, so all I really need to do is to get some *relatively quiet* (I don't mean silent, of
    course) switches and pay the guy at E-H or someone to replace them for me (I don't know jack about
    electronic circuits and I don't have a soldering iron, myself) - I haven't used very many pedals
    or footswitches in the past, like a lot of you guitarists have, I'm sure... but none of them were
    anywhere near as loud as this 2880 foot controller... the switches on the 2880 proper are
    unobtrusively quiet, so what were they thinking when they built these stupid footswitches?...

    Thanks too any of you knowledgeable folks who can offer suggestions...

    Ferrara Brain Pan

    http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com


    "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..."
                                                                                         
    Noel Scott Engel


    --
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    --============_-1052827625==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 18:32:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DF263BEDF; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIYOGUWBToosAgIHBAoHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060926192406.01c4d550@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:32:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: asynchronus hardware loopers In-Reply-To: References: <4519648D.80202@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) yep, Per's right have a go with what you have already Set EDP1 sync=Out EDP2 sync=In then modify 8th/cycle values accordingly. andy butler >>I'm thinking that by putting an asynch looper in front of my EDP+ >>setup I could create "vertical" loops then package them as >>"horizontal" loop sections and have the best of both worlds :-) >>Any thoughts? > >Some quick ideas: >- Use both EDP's to record two simultaneous loops of different lengths. >- Work out the maths in advance, so you know by heart how many loops >of each time measure will match up for the first, second etc >"Downbeat Eclipse". >- Jump between FullSpeed and HalfSpeed while overdubbing a new loop >targeting a new time measure (needs some math as well as trial and >error to find out the tricks). > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 19:09:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BF73BED0; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VkhBW3eGyx7dKrflQtphzlGH2Yos6kWw5GVb3j3YpyPNuQvPhV20jEIIosK6hfeFMsS70oQbsG1YCbeoWas/SGStwRpwc/67fhPUJjtUW7P1fJ7wZuoH91iW9Uiu5vFE1GBOqrHMHBcprN5NF7XmhTtM+0wnDElkwfQpZ8uhA80= ; Message-ID: <20060926190940.82281.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <700a58560609260755j349b106erc116fee6274e1e6b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Sounds good! I've actually considered ditching my Repeater (egad!) and picking one of these little loopers up. Why ditch a more fully functioned unit over a less functional unit? Size. With my laptop looping system being truely amazing... (Live+Mobius+Elottronix) I'm still not 100% sold on the idea of doing a show "without a net" so to speak. I've had Live 5 melt down in my studio (OK, I was doing wacky things like dragging new VSTs into tracks while they were running) and even though Mobius was still fully functional with the dead carcass of Live around it, it left me with the feeling of "oh no, this will bite me in the ass one day in a live show." So here's my question: What happens with the 2880 if mid sequence the clock goes away? Once Digital Performer crashed and before it did it said to my Repeater, "how about a tempo of... 30?" Very cool effect... but not what one would call seamless. In my perfect world the 2880 would just stay on the tempo so I could gracefully reboot the machine. On the other hand I could slave everything to my MIDI controller's clock, but that wouldn't be the most elegent answer. Thanks, Mark --- "Nick (Ecce)" wrote: > Hi there, > > Another member of this list kindly lent me an > Electro Harmonix 2880 to > evaluate (and I've taken far too long as I've been > so busy!) > > I thought it would be useful to share my experience. > > I am using the 2880 as the slave, clock sync-ed to > an Akai MPC1000 (sending > only start, stop and clock), playing guitar and > synth into the 2880. > > After fiddling around with trying to get loops > synced up for ages, this is > the best way of doing things that I have come up > with: > > 1. Set the 2880 to external midi sync, make sure > quantize is off! > 2. Press "new loop" on the 2880, then record (this > does not start the > recording process, but the midi sync LED will start > flashing with the record > LED, kind of saying "Ready when you are!" to the > sequencer) > 3. Press play on the MPC1000, the 2880 will start > recording (I always make > this first loop a blank loop) > 4. Before your required loop length is up, press > quantize. > 5. Any time after the beginning of the final bar of > your required loop > length, and before your desired restart point of the > loop press play. The > quantize button will flash until that bar is up, > then the 2880 will go into > play mode, with a loop length identical to the > number of bars you would > like. Anything you recorded during that time would > likely be useless as it > would be stretched all over the place - hence why I > keep it blank. > > This is useful for the kind of applications I had in > mind for a looper, as I > wanted a set length loop to run over the length of a > song performance. This > way I am assured of, say, a four bar repeating loop > during a song that I can > continually overdub to, punch in to, re-record etc. > > The caveat is that if you were to then press > "reverse", you hear and > analog-delay like speeding up and slowing down of > the entire loop until it > is reversed and running back in sync. If you don't > want that effect it is > necessary to turn the 2880 down on your mixer until > you know you are safe! > > In my opinion the 2880 is a wonderful midi-synced > looper, but not if you > want to start looping from the moment you press > record. It's needs some time > to settle down before you can start having fun. Once > you are there though, > there is much fun to be had - IMO recording with the > faders slightly lower > than maximum gives a great feedback effect over > time. > > The one thing I cannot do that I would like to is > *not* stop the 2880 when I > stop the MPC - would be nice to run the feedback > while I load up samples for > the next song! If anyone has any ideas lemme know. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 19:16:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A8213BEE6; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5LjNbh/45rTXqdBuajBFuv3wYWBNNPTEoW4Ffxwu9RXGKJQQaLlq0w3piZembzQlyhuJ7PIV03T4X6vUgeqLIm/99Y6V45mip+ZcuL60+sBS9madFdCAyOMn44ySkwBA8vy1uKePGnKZVrkR3gpQQb0/yOr7hnX5XOK00CZSaKQ= ; Message-ID: <20060926191643.11101.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:16:44 +0000 (UTC) > >THE FOOT CONTROLLER: The push-button switches > (there are six of 'em) > >are TOO DAMNED LOUD Yeah, I hear ya. I'm not an acoustic instrument guy, but even when I try to do some quiet ambient stuff the sound of the KA-CHUNK of those switches bugs me. I remember hearing Rick Walker do some beautiful flute loops with the DL4 and I was right next to the stage. KA-CHUNK. I know the 2880 is MIDI. Can you control it with a MIDI controller? The Behringer FCB1010 is quiet and I like the feel of it's switches now that I'm used to them. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 19:20:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81F303BEF5; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZgMbttNQJlLxrpVGtlXCkwTXjSZnz3KHghXJoJrzqwQY42+e6AquMCJDMxos+qiuNdZZ0NY1kXAPNkWe6QIBuP8fmQVUK1vrWe1CMa0CPVHUtpZxtF3P0WuCapYWAf+vQndYaNHD1g23pmEym6gAQOq9otpb/7T4fqR+UnG8jF4= ; Message-ID: <20060926192018.17460.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: asynchronus hardware loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Or if you sold your EDPs you could fund a Looperlative. Not sure if it does everything you need though. I sold my Looperlative to fund a laptop that runs Mobius which is based (somewhat) on the functionality of the EDP... but like you have 16 (or 8 stereo) of them. Tracks can run synced or not. Sweet. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 sep 2006, at 19.34, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > > > I've been happily working with my EDP+ stereo > setup for many > > months now. The main feature that I rely on for > creating structure > > of a piece is NextLoop. I'll record 3 or 4 > independent loops and > > toggle between them like some twisted > verse-chorus-bridge thing. I > > conceptualize this as a "horizontal" looper where > I build discrete > > sections and then chain them. It's great for the > way I > > work...but...the next thing that I want to do > structure wise is I > > guess called asynchronus looping. By that I mean > laying down say a > > bass part in 4/4, then overlaying a drum part in > 5/4, and maybe a > > vocal part in 7/4. I conceptualize this as a > "vertical" looper > > where 1 section is built on top of the other. I'm > guessing this is > > the concept of the Looperlative, correct? > Throwing a Looperlative > > in front of my EDP+ setup is way too much money > for what I'm > > looking for. Are there other hardware loopers I > could get to add > > asynchronus looping to my EDP+ setup without > paying so much? > > > > I'm thinking that by putting an asynch looper in > front of my EDP+ > > setup I could create "vertical" loops then package > them as > > "horizontal" loop sections and have the best of > both worlds :-) > > Any thoughts? > > Some quick ideas: > - Use both EDP's to record two simultaneous loops of > different lengths. > - Work out the maths in advance, so you know by > heart how many loops > of each time measure will match up for the first, > second etc > "Downbeat Eclipse". > - Jump between FullSpeed and HalfSpeed while > overdubbing a new loop > targeting a new time measure (needs some math as > well as trial and > error to find out the tricks). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 19:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF24B3BEFF; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: shoutcast server Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <009701c6e1a1$880f0db0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060926190942.F33703BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acbhn+vfZoVTwxO4QoeY7SK2yiy83QAAMpjQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:41 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a cheap or free way to publish the 20-hour alternative/experimental CT-Collective music collection, or parts of it, somewhere on a Shoutcast server. Suggestions? What we already have is an on-demand stream (m3u file) that contains all tracks and that is randomized daily. But a Shoutcast stream would get listed in directories, possibly creating more publicity. in case you don't know it, check out www.ct-collective.com and click the ct-radio link for the on-demand stream. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 19:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BDFB3BEE2; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07c801c6e1a6$2859c3b0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <009701c6e1a1$880f0db0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: shoutcast server Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:58:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <5eSHwC.A.72G.yZYGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael - I use Serverroom to host shoutcast: http://www.serverroom.us/ Below your message is someething I wrote up to guide folks through the process of setting up the system. For $12 US a month, you could easily stream your 20 hours for 30 people. They have other pricing options too. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: shoutcast server > I'm looking for a cheap or free way to publish the 20-hour > alternative/experimental CT-Collective music collection, or parts of it, > somewhere on a Shoutcast server. Suggestions? > > What we already have is an on-demand stream (m3u file) that contains all > tracks and that is randomized daily. But a Shoutcast stream would get > listed > in directories, possibly creating more publicity. > > in case you don't know it, check out www.ct-collective.com and click the > ct-radio link for the on-demand stream. > > -Michael How to stream your live performances to the web There only two bits of software required to stream your performances to the web: Winamp and a plugin for winamp that connects you to a server...that's it. It takes about 1 minute to plug in the IP address, port #, and some other info into the winamp plugin, connect to the server, and it streams anything you have coming into your line/mic in or just music you have playing from your hard-drive. Here is what you need to do to get things running: 1) Purchase server bandwidth from SHOUTcast http://shoutcast.serverroom.us/ I went with the $11.99 US a month option, which allows me to stream 30 GIG of traffic a month. If you stream at 64kbps, you can do the math on how much music you can stream. If you had 30 listeners (the max number of simultaneous listeners with the above package), and they all listened for an hour, that would be 64kbps X 60 X 30 = 115,200 kbps streamed in that hour...roughly 1 / 260th of your monthly bandwidth. 30 GIG is 30,000 MB, is 30,000,000 KB, divided by 115,200 is roughly 260. That is 260 hours, roughly 10 days of streaming. NOTE: When you purchase your bandwith, you will eventually get access to threee critical pieces of information: 1) The IP address you'll use to configure the Winamp streamingsoftware, 2) the port number andn password you'll use to configure the Winamp streaming software, 3) the URLs that you'll use to manage/view your streaming server, and 4) th URL you'll give to your listeners to listen to your live stream over the web 2) Download Winamp and the SHOUTcast DSP Plug-In for Winamp a) Winamp - http://www.shoutcast.com/download/broadcast.phtml#download b) Plugin - http://www.shoutcast.com/downloads/shoutcast-dsp-1-8-2b-windows.exe 3) Configure Winamp and the SHOUcast Plugin a) Go to the Options, Preferences, and Plugins section of Winamp; click "DSP/Effect" in the left window, and then click "Nullsoft SHOUTcast Source DSP" in the right window; close the setting window b) In the Output tab of your SHOUTcast Source Window (which launches when you launch Winamp), click the Connection button and enter the IP address, port number, and login you received or setup when you purchased your SHOUTcast bandwidth c) Click the Yellow Pages button and enter your stream description or title if you want it to be public (you can enter other info as well, such as a URL, AIM instant messenger ID, etc) d) Click the Encoder tab and select "MP3 Encoder" for Encoder type, and then select your desired stream quality in the Encoder Settings dropdown menu e) Click the Input tab and select "Soundcard Input" in the Input Device dropdown menu f) Set the input setting to 44100hz, Stereo g) Select Mic Input or Line Input under the Mic Input section (try Line Input first) h) Open the control panel for your soundcard (for recording levels), plug the output of your live performance (e.g,, tape out our AUX out of a mixer board) into the line-in of your computer, and click the Input tab in the SHOUTcast Source window to view your levels (adjust your soundcard record level or your mixer output level to attain an appropriate level...consistently under 0db) i) Once you have a decent input level, click the Output tab, and then click the Connect button (Winamp should connect with the server, and you should be broadcasting the output of your mixer board. 4) Provide the broadcast info to your listeners a) When you purchase your bandwith, you will also recieve a URL for listeners. It will be something like http://216.13.162.58:9030/ (they go to a URL like this and click "Listen") b) Winamp is the recommended player for users to connect to your stream, but I hear that iTunes works as well (you basically need a player that will recognize and read a .pls file) c) When you are streaming your performance to the web, you can also go to the above URL and see how many people are listening 5) View reports on how much bandwidth you are using, how many users, etc at this URL: https://secure.serverroom.us/login.php?SID=b60c16005ff23386cccb3ed5a73eb4fd You will login with the email and password you used to purchase your bandwidth and setup your account From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33913BED9; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060919223229.7613.qmail@web60611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060919223229.7613.qmail@web60611.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26512A7F-D38F-4C78-A92A-84CD57CEDEF7@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: OT: Rocktron All Access & Expression pedal Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:29:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet ip=66.248.87.32 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm using an Ernie Ball volume pedal with my All Access. I use it to control my Switchblade though, not my EDP. Matt On Sep 19, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Fred Fata wrote: > My question is this, what are other AA owners using > for expression pedals? I'd like to use a smaller type > of foot pedal, the FV-100 is big. > I like the size of the FV-50L. Eventually I'd like to > mount everything to a pedalboard and I'd like to keep > the size down. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 22:08:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0E1D3BEDD; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:08:35 EDT Subject: Re: shoutcast server To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c67.df98c9.324afee3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3lczsD.A.CwD.qTaGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:08:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c67.df98c9.324afee3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/26/06 3:26:03 PM, mp@mpeters.de writes: > check out www.ct-collective.com and click the > ct-radio link for the on-demand stream. > more LOOPS than should be allowed by law!.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c67.df98c9.324afee3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/26/06 3:26:03 PM, mp@mpeters.de writes:


    check out www.ct-coll= ective.com and click the
    ct-radio link for the on-demand stream.


    more LOOPS than should be allowed by law!.....:)m



    www.ct-collective.com
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     --part1_c67.df98c9.324afee3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 22:16:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D13A3BED8; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qcvChRqfWLPm980QQ6e1Srgs/GmFQWJc9r+EEJ4up+a+y/5LOezLT3JUbDGFg/UeMN/aBJCZGKdxHdVzb0cSvN0TPnDqanXeWD9JLOwOUI7sHW9mMvjzHXueIsBASYFHgSQcNZy/oTJXwsDDQ3aDP8BzlLk7oSRh4pTuohLldfo= ; Message-ID: <20060926221558.16695.qmail@web38915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re: 2880 midi sync experience report (my first post) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky writes, > If you run the 2880 as the MIDI clock master, you can eliminate the > tape machine reverse ballistics, and also this will allow you to stop > the MPC and keep the 2880 running. In this case you should set the > quantize loop switch ON. Also, by using the 2880 as the master, there > will be no issues with recording during the initial pass. I can vouch for this, as well as for the original poster's experience with using the 2880 as a slave. My experience has been that about half the time, when using the 2880 as a clock slave and ending the initial recording of a loop by putting it into playback mode, the 2880 will varispeed its audio trying to sync up with the master. The result is some weird sea-sick speed/pitch modulation which lasts about one time thru the playback of the loop. After that its locked in and solid. Because of that, for my purposes its best to use the 2880 as the clock master. If you need to know the exact BPM setting, you can often use the BPM display on one of your clock slaves. In my case, my E-mu PX-7 will conveniently display the BPM it is getting from the 2880. Used as a master, you don't have to fool around with recording blank loops, or starting your master device before you start recording your loops. OTOH, the drawback is that the 2880 sends MIDI start commands when you, 1) start a new loop, and 2) Hit the record button. I don't necessary want my PX-7 to start playback at those times, so I have set it to ignore external start/stop commands. I use a footswitch to manually start it at the time I want it to and that works as expected. After sorting thru some issues, I can now sync the 2880, my PX-7 and my primary effects unit (a Boss GT-8) which does really cool things with beat-synced effects. I'm a happy camper. D7 D7 Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from my e-mail address if you want to use it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 22:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B25B3BED0; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rYCLE4c1uTBb4quqVxNrkZESpkZ5hcQiUkYPdWswI4lCHEkGR6F/01SgtdNVK6X7zsannE+jh3OD8KWICoWUptzMW2OuE6vIlYkBPiexjuMMILhPm2oZbDsQQkjle/zpY/NXhQhHC6vHJJM5fQhkeTz5UsRk8DJoEHaaS30bCTI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200609251751.k8PHphJ30702@minds-eye.org> References: <200609251751.k8PHphJ30702@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Classical India + Electronica = Live Stream, (+01:00 GMT) on the 27th. Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:36:07 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Just a heads up... I'm going to a concert tomorrow and right now I =20 just heard that it will be live streamed over the internet. So if =20 anyone should happen to be interested in a clash of classical music =20 of India and Electronica you can give it a try at (+01:00 GMT) on the =20= 27th. The web page is www.countryandeastern.se. Except for the Swedish drummer Sebastian =C5berg (The Sangeet Project) =20= there will also be a concert with the Indian tabla master Maruti =20 Kurdekar and the singer Pradip Sarmokadam. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 03:40:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11FEF3BECC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: digitalhell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vst ambient generators? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:40:56 +0000 (UTC) just started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking for VST softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or rhythmical "generators". A perfect example is "Sun Ra" The program not the musician although I suppose he is a pretty damn good example too :) "sun Ra" is located here and if freeware. now YOu share :) http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm any info, links etc greatly appreciated! D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 04:17:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4D63BED9; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pM7qJgv8X9/ZRPEtqqNk/kTE7DO9ki6W9po8mOcV2O8HNupATtjlkztYOmW0JMvn7uz07Q8D6S66y/4lTUQ/XfMjw6nMp59DIcBSKTdf1Nq+uY9VmtEnPs28PvOxtlCVYnpLyKBk79vweMWU/sCXFChPv9B0milO1YkyXAvV9fY= Message-ID: <8ff09c390609262117h3cea38e6i247794f9c1eb848d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:17:22 -0400 From: dk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27835_25913343.1159330642884" References: Resent-Message-ID: <9b8X6C.A.26G.VtfGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:17:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27835_25913343.1159330642884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/26/06, Legion wrote: > > > just started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking for VST > softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or rhythmical > "generators". Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination. Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: http://spectrasonics.net ------=_Part_27835_25913343.1159330642884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/26/06, Legion <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:

    just started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking for VST
    softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or rhythmical
    "generators".

    Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination.

    Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site:

        http://spectrasonics.net


    ------=_Part_27835_25913343.1159330642884-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 04:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8703BECD; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <090f01c6e1f1$258048d0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8ff09c390609262117h3cea38e6i247794f9c1eb848d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:55:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_090C_01C6E1BE.DA2547F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_090C_01C6E1BE.DA2547F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for it on = http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php Reaktor has an ensemble called Metaphysical that is great too. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? On 9/26/06, Legion wrote: just started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking = for VST softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or rhythmical "generators". Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination.=20 Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: http://spectrasonics.net ------=_NextPart_000_090C_01C6E1BE.DA2547F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for = it on http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php<= /A>
     
    Reaktor has an ensemble called = Metaphysical that is=20 great too.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 dk =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, September 26, = 2006 10:17=20 PM
    Subject: Re: vst ambient=20 generators?

    On 9/26/06, Legion = <legion@helpwantedproduct= ions.com>=20 wrote:

    just=20 started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking for=20 VST
    softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or=20 rhythmical
    "generators".

    Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination. =

    Check=20 out the demos on Spectrasonics site:

        http://spectrasonics.net

    ------=_NextPart_000_090C_01C6E1BE.DA2547F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 04:57:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A13C3BEDA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <091e01c6e1f1$5df1e660$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8ff09c390609262117h3cea38e6i247794f9c1eb848d@mail.gmail.com> <090f01c6e1f1$258048d0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:56:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0919_01C6E1BF.12308290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:57:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0919_01C6E1BF.12308290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoops, sorry....I see that the original reference to Sun Ra was cut out = in the response below. I was echoing the same response, with exeption of = Metaphysical. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for it on = http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php Reaktor has an ensemble called Metaphysical that is great too. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? On 9/26/06, Legion wrote:=20 just started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking = for VST softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or rhythmical "generators". Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination.=20 Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: http://spectrasonics.net ------=_NextPart_000_0919_01C6E1BF.12308290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Whoops, sorry....I see that the = original reference=20 to Sun Ra was cut out in the response below. I was echoing the same = response,=20 with exeption of Metaphysical.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, September 26, = 2006 10:55=20 PM
    Subject: Re: vst ambient=20 generators?

    Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for = it on http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php<= /A>
     
    Reaktor has an ensemble called = Metaphysical that=20 is great too.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 dk =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, September 26, = 2006 10:17=20 PM
    Subject: Re: vst ambient=20 generators?

    On 9/26/06, Legion = <legion@helpwantedproduct= ions.com>=20 wrote:=20

    just=20 started messing with a PC laptop (watch out!) and I'm looking for=20 VST
    softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient or=20 rhythmical
    "generators".

    Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good combination. =

    Check=20 out the demos on Spectrasonics site:

        http://spectrasonics.net

    ------=_NextPart_000_0919_01C6E1BF.12308290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 07:56:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E63C3BED3; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tx2b1CPoWKiBkxOlkQX5keoZ3ZELt7CXk0C2PSySerMWtZ3FUGFsBgQOfUHTupK2bwh3oKkICoR4XSlh50efwPWu/YegRUoEPQrxugGCkbbWDZNAROa3UNII9NANpSk5zOXIQC7/gxyOnuGXPUXnHnBd02udc0S9m5LBI1Mj/Dw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Correct time = 19.30 (+01:00 GMT) (was: Classical India + Electronica = Live Stream, on the 27th.) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:56:48 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7enNzC.A.6aF.F7iGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:56:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Per Boysen > Hi, > > Just a heads up... I'm going to a concert tomorrow and right now I =20 > just heard that it will be live streamed over the internet. So if =20 > anyone should happen to be interested in a clash of classical music =20= > of India and Electronica you can give it a try at (+01:00 GMT) on =20 > the 27th. The web page is www.countryandeastern.se. > > Except for the Swedish drummer Sebastian =C5berg (The Sangeet =20 > Project) there will also be a concert with the Indian tabla master =20 > Maruti Kurdekar and the singer Pradip Sarmokadam. Sorry, I missed the actual time when copying and pasting. The stream =20 starts at 19.30 (+01:00 GMT) and is expected to run for two and a =20 half hour. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 09:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98583BECF; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015e01c6e213$f8bf4b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:04:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:04:44 +0000 (UTC) I'm proud to finally announce the Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of performances in 4 cities (Oct 18-23) in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on OCTOBER 21st and 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. Other shows will feature the headlining and featured artists in San Jose (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San Francisco (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side of Live Looping at the Luggage Store Experimental Music Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th for the 10th Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader Kim Flint). Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all the events. We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time that we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing website, Loopers Delight, that has brought us all together to be one of the most intriguing, creative and communal music movements going these days. Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup will feature headlingers: HEADLINERS: MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) featured performers: Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), Krispen Hartung (US) and Zoe Keating (US) special guests: Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X Neuburg (US) and LOOP ! STATION (US) and many others. In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time internet KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from Germany on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. This will involve loopers from all over the planet and loopers from the festival using the new NINjam technology. If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime broadcast of the whole affair. Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris Roberts (CPR) and maintained by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) www.y2k6loopfest.com yours, Rick Walker Y2K6 Festival organizer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 09:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0453BEDA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08e0e1640e02decd369b09a0746e8352@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Two gigs: Kaiser, Malone, McNalley, Pask: Ventura, Los Angeles Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:12:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Two gigs, serious loopage. GIG 1: Thursday, September 28, Cryptonight, Culver City Jeff Kaiser/Don Malone/Andrew Pask/Tom McNalley * Jeff Kaiser - trumpet * Don Malone - electronics * Andrew Pask - woodwinds * Tom McNalley - electric guitars Jeff "The Angry Vegan" Kaiser drops in on us from the apple-green=20 fields of Ventura County for some hi-tech hi-volume hi-maintenance=20 hi-jinks with esteemed avant-assassins Don Malone, Andrew Pask and Tom=20= McNalley. Expect wintry and wild sonic soundscapes from Kaiser and=20 McNalley's latest release Zugzwang as well as some aural=20 electro-freakery in the vein of the Kaiser/Pask collaboration The Choir=20= Boys. Complaints from the neighbors will be duly ignored... Cryptonight is held at: Club Tropical, 8641 Washington Blvd, Culver City club info: 310-559-1127, show info: 310-287-1918 Reservations are accepted until 6PM Thursday night. Maximum 25=20 reservations accepted. Concerts begin at 8:00 PM $10 / $5 with student ID * great Salvadoran food * full bar * safe neighborhood * free night parking Cryptogramophone info: 310-287-1918 310-287-1928 (fax) Booking: cryptonight@charter.net More Info: info@cryptogramophone.com=00 GIG 2: Saturday, September 30 9pm Ventura Artists Union Jeff Kaiser/Don Malone/Tom McNalley Saturday, September 30 also at the Artists' Union Gallery 9pm - following the 3D reception Jeff Kaiser: trumpet/laptop Don Malone: laptop Tom McNalley: electric guitar (805) 320-3524 Artists=92 Union Gallery 330 South California Street, Ventura Free Admission (in the Holiday Inn plaza; parking garage on the left and gallery on=20 opposite side of Holiday Inn and next to Aloha Restaurant) ************* best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 10:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97CEE3BEDB; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c6e21c$336163a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <015e01c6e213$f8bf4b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:03:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:03:44 +0000 (UTC) For those of us not able to attend but interested in participating, whither Chris Roberts for contacting? Or has that list already been chosen? ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" ; "PURPLEHAND" ; "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" Sent: Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd > I'm proud to finally announce the > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of performances in 4 > cities (Oct 18-23) > in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on OCTOBER 21st > and > 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. > > Other shows will feature the headlining and featured artists in San > Jose > (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San Francisco > (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side of Live Looping at the > Luggage Store Experimental Music Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th > for the 10th Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader > Kim Flint). > > Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all the events. > > We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time that > we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing website, Loopers > Delight, > that has brought us all together to be one of the most intriguing, > creative > and communal music movements going these days. > > > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY > For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup will feature > headlingers: > > HEADLINERS: > MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), > RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) > > featured performers: > Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), Krispen Hartung > (US) and Zoe Keating (US) > > special guests: > Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X Neuburg (US) and > LOOP ! STATION (US) > > and many others. > > In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time > internet > KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from Germany > on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. > > This will involve loopers from all over the planet and loopers from the > festival using the new NINjam > technology. > > If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime > broadcast of the whole affair. > Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris Roberts > (CPR) and maintained > by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) > > www.y2k6loopfest.com > > yours, > Rick Walker > Y2K6 Festival organizer > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 10:41:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91DB3BED6; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b601c6e221$6bca8370$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LETS TAKE THIS OFFLIST: was vst ambient generators Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:40:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:41:00 +0000 (UTC) In deference to Kim Flint's wishes about flooding loopers delight with off topic posts, I would like to respectfully suggest that we take this fascinating topic off list and move it over to the Audio Plugin Junkies Annonymous tribe at tribe.net. This tribe has 555 members in it, many of who are excellent plugin designers. In the earliest posts in the tribe there are wonderful large lists of free, shareware and commercial plugins with reviews and discussions about them. It's just a more appropriate place to discuss this than loopers delight. come join us and start a thread about Ambience VST synths. yours, Rick Walker moderator AudioPluginJunkiesAnnonymous tribe Stomp Box Pedals tribe LiveLooping tribe Abstract Electronica tribe Toy Video tribe and the Weird Kalimba Weird Drum Machine and Weird Percussion tribes at www.tribe.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 11:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7703BEE2; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my y2k6 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:56:12 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, as you know, i can't come to play at the y2k6, due to a cancer of the = mother of my wife. I'm very depressed for both things: for cancer and for not partecipating at = the y2k6. So i'll hope next year...for lemoncello too... Sorry Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 16:31:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1192E3BEDF; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:33:20 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd In-reply-to: <015e01c6e213$f8bf4b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005a01c6e252$a4937280$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:31:15 +0000 (UTC) I've checked out the roster at www.y2k6loopfest.com . This is going to be one unbelievable week. Thanks to everyone involved in putting this together, especially you, Rick. You are a generous and dedicated person - I humbly aspire to your graciousness. This is going to be my "busman's holiday" this year. I'm *so* looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting up with a lot of you who I only know from your posts. It's gonna be great. I had a terrific time when I went in '04, and I have no doubt that this will be even better. Are there any other New Yorkers planning to go? I was thinking that I'd take a very long shot and try and pitch an article about it to the New Yorker magazine, and I'm grasping for some kind of NY angle. Why The New Yorker, you ask? Because, so far as I can tell, the electronic music magazines don't ever do live event coverage (I guess that's because they can't decide what to cover, but it still seems weird and anti-musician to me. Sorry for that, to any editors lurking here), also because I think this phenomenon (with a small "p") has grown enough so that it might be possible to get a little mainstream coverage, especially in the "quirkier" pubs, and the New Yorker is among the quirkiest (and is also read the world over and a gateway to much other publicity). Like I said, I have no reason to believe they'd be interested, but you never know till you try. So drop me a line if you're attending from NY. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:05 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Cc: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL; PURPLEHAND; Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th > ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd > > > I'm proud to finally announce the > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of > performances in 4 cities > (Oct 18-23) > in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on > OCTOBER 21st and 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. > > Other shows will feature the headlining and featured > artists in San > Jose > (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San > Francisco (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side > of Live Looping at the Luggage Store Experimental Music > Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th for the 10th > Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader > Kim Flint). > > Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all > the events. > > We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time > that we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing > website, Loopers Delight, that has brought us all together > to be one of the most intriguing, creative and communal music > movements going these days. > > > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY > For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup > will feature > headlingers: > > HEADLINERS: > MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), > RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) > > featured performers: > Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), > Krispen Hartung (US) > and Zoe Keating (US) > > special guests: > Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X > Neuburg (US) and > LOOP ! STATION (US) > > and many others. > > In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time > internet > KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from > Germany on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. > > This will involve loopers from all over the planet and > loopers from the > festival using the new NINjam > technology. > > If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime > broadcast of the whole affair. > Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris > Roberts (CPR) > and maintained > by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) > > www.y2k6loopfest.com > > yours, > Rick Walker > Y2K6 Festival organizer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 16:34:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB903BEDC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005a01c6e252$a4937280$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) You go girl!, er. uh I mean guy. looking forward to seeing in a few weeks. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd I've checked out the roster at www.y2k6loopfest.com . This is going to be one unbelievable week. Thanks to everyone involved in putting this together, especially you, Rick. You are a generous and dedicated person - I humbly aspire to your graciousness. This is going to be my "busman's holiday" this year. I'm *so* looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting up with a lot of you who I only know from your posts. It's gonna be great. I had a terrific time when I went in '04, and I have no doubt that this will be even better. Are there any other New Yorkers planning to go? I was thinking that I'd take a very long shot and try and pitch an article about it to the New Yorker magazine, and I'm grasping for some kind of NY angle. Why The New Yorker, you ask? Because, so far as I can tell, the electronic music magazines don't ever do live event coverage (I guess that's because they can't decide what to cover, but it still seems weird and anti-musician to me. Sorry for that, to any editors lurking here), also because I think this phenomenon (with a small "p") has grown enough so that it might be possible to get a little mainstream coverage, especially in the "quirkier" pubs, and the New Yorker is among the quirkiest (and is also read the world over and a gateway to much other publicity). Like I said, I have no reason to believe they'd be interested, but you never know till you try. So drop me a line if you're attending from NY. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:05 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Cc: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL; PURPLEHAND; Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th > ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd > > > I'm proud to finally announce the > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of > performances in 4 cities > (Oct 18-23) > in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on > OCTOBER 21st and 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. > > Other shows will feature the headlining and featured > artists in San > Jose > (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San > Francisco (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side > of Live Looping at the Luggage Store Experimental Music > Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th for the 10th > Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader > Kim Flint). > > Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all > the events. > > We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time > that we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing > website, Loopers Delight, that has brought us all together > to be one of the most intriguing, creative and communal music > movements going these days. > > > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY > For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup > will feature > headlingers: > > HEADLINERS: > MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), > RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) > > featured performers: > Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), > Krispen Hartung (US) > and Zoe Keating (US) > > special guests: > Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X > Neuburg (US) and > LOOP ! STATION (US) > > and many others. > > In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time > internet > KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from > Germany on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. > > This will involve loopers from all over the planet and > loopers from the > festival using the new NINjam > technology. > > If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime > broadcast of the whole affair. > Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris > Roberts (CPR) > and maintained > by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) > > www.y2k6loopfest.com > > yours, > Rick Walker > Y2K6 Festival organizer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 16:36:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3804A3BEE7; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3EEA55F1-62B6-432E-B09A-32AF87B1251A@xmlizer.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:36:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:56 +0000 (UTC) On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about why shorter loops fade out more quickly than longer loops with the same feedback setting. The reason is that the feedback control sets the amount by which the volume is reduced per loop repetition. Thus, a shorter loop's volume will decrease by the same amount within less time than a longer loop. More details: http://nosuch.biz/loopFeedback/ Comments/corrections welcome! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 17:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CAE03BEDC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:30:18 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002501c6e25a$9af1a6e0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbiUyW9z4+1kaK2SI6pXuXyIZlX1QABwiZw In-reply-to: <3EEA55F1-62B6-432E-B09A-32AF87B1251A@xmlizer.biz> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:30:26 +0000 (UTC) ...actually, they fade at the same speed in the calibration system of loop length, so I assume perceiving it as "fading more quickly" is true only for ambient people (see "The Beatless" ;), as compared to beat driven people who always have two-measure-long loops (at different bpms, though). > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about why shorter > loops fade out more quickly than longer loops with the same > feedback setting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 18:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917AA3BEDA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:14:44 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-reply-to: <002501c6e25a$9af1a6e0$0101a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009401c6e260$cf610e60$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC) I hope this is not being a nit-picking jerk, but... (that's never stopped me before) The points seem to be tied to specific looping implementations. Other ways of thinking about this are possible. For instance, in my multi-tracked private looper (which may someday see release, but is mainly just my own instrument for now), I use the concepts of "aging" and "fading" instead of feedback - the volume of every recorded track goes down a (customizable) notch when I record a new track ("aging"), and then I have a separate fade function which can be triggered on any track or on the collection, which takes an absolute time as a parameter. If I wished, I could easily modify the code to set, say, a 2-minute autofade on every track right after it starts playing back, or create an alternate end trigger for record or overdub that does this. (I can also "unfade" any track back to its original volume level after that). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop > with same feedback setting > > > ...actually, they fade at the same speed in the calibration > system of loop length, so I assume perceiving it as "fading > more quickly" is true only for ambient people (see "The > Beatless" ;), as compared to beat driven people who always > have two-measure-long loops (at different bpms, though). > > > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about why shorter > > loops fade out more quickly than longer loops with the same > > feedback setting. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 18:25:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0CAF3BEE4; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <451AC107.1070907@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:20:55 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: asynchronus hardware loopers References: <20060926190942.17A343BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060926190942.17A343BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9oQGpC.A.zcE.eIsGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:25:34 +0000 (UTC) I think I've figured out a way to leave both EDP+'s as is so I can still run stereo and create asynchronus structure with unrounded multiply. 1) Record the shortest time phrase first as a loop 2) Jump back in holding unrounded multiply down while recording the next longest time phrase 3) Repeat...with next longest time phrase... Dennis > yep, Per's right > > have a go with what you have already > > Set EDP1 sync=Out > EDP2 sync=In > > then modify 8th/cycle values accordingly. > > andy butler > > >>> I'm thinking that by putting an asynch looper in front of my EDP+ >>> setup I could create "vertical" loops then package them as >>> "horizontal" loop sections and have the best of both worlds :-) >>> Any thoughts? >> >> >> Some quick ideas: >> - Use both EDP's to record two simultaneous loops of different lengths. >> - Work out the maths in advance, so you know by heart how many loops >> of each time measure will match up for the first, second etc >> "Downbeat Eclipse". >> - Jump between FullSpeed and HalfSpeed while overdubbing a new loop >> targeting a new time measure (needs some math as well as trial and >> error to find out the tricks). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 18:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB5883BEE4; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=pAEZE8o8N7PPUbRCjf0PbhDVvnwawGa+6LzIYqHPhKi7Q4iu+a20SLabw09P1LoIe3OK9mLqwQetpWSubCVxbUrNAkNpIYUFgqj9SM6BsCrw3kmW3wc+EmUQMC4QK/KpWLcsE8i11PLesgjSYsRVBzp2pjWCvM9YKCW54RRjb1Q= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:38:13 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3eb66336af323c03 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:38:14 +0000 (UTC) What you want, maybe, is a looper that lets you specify the fade-out *time* you want, in seconds. Something, like, oh, Augustus Loop? ;) os. > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about why shorter loops > fade out more quickly than longer loops with the same feedback setting. > > The reason is that the feedback control sets the amount by which the > volume is reduced per loop repetition. Thus, a shorter loop's volume > will decrease by the same amount within less time than a longer loop. > > More details: http://nosuch.biz/loopFeedback/ > > Comments/corrections welcome! > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 20:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1AE83BEDC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oJRqS9TeoQ1/yMzmF5x4241tbOEttktYgGUhdrn6YczmezGrIZG9CYAzzpLx+5fdO7qiwkmsldu4eWMdLcHzKupF5Mq/dy2mB7VczHWfJAzdRVMGVp/JGMzMno5ijw8FUFx5CBzSnVWaQrrMIPmWaX/fO6JRumKYVBnfNP0fZQc= ; Message-ID: <20060927201906.85409.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4vPHcB.A.qgC.7ytGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Oh that old thing!? ;) Seriously, any Mac user on this list who doesn't own Augustus Loop, or hasn't upgraded is plum crazy. This software is FUN. I kind of mostly ignored it for years as I fooled with hardware, but over the last few weeks I've rediscovered it and the cool stuff it can do. Not nearly as cool (but for those of you who are stuck with XP) is the Elottronix vst. Still pretty damn cool though. Dial in some tape his and sit back and pretend you're at Fripp's house. Mark --- Os wrote: > What you want, maybe, is a looper that lets you > specify the fade-out > *time* you want, in seconds. > > Something, like, oh, Augustus Loop? ;) > > os. > > > > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about > why shorter loops > > fade out more quickly than longer loops with the > same feedback setting. > > > > The reason is that the feedback control sets the > amount by which the > > volume is reduced per loop repetition. Thus, a > shorter loop's volume > > will decrease by the same amount within less time > than a longer loop. > > > > More details: http://nosuch.biz/loopFeedback/ > > > > Comments/corrections welcome! > > > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 20:26:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80053BEE1; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4Fvf1tqNh9eMAoJ5UswqJdGSbjeHiIOtWkwg1dDbqS43jogBHR9/aY9gpHV8x3JtwFRr9sl716k/RumCYAhwJAWojBjxIwPFhytwbM+SKjczcJNNlZNQeLoaJcOWtQ2vI0Sq2bUsE614j+NdbBkADO+tCFtkkGwDm+CBDWye9aM= ; Message-ID: <20060927202624.80483.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:26:24 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060927201906.85409.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1379130156-1159388784=:79744" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:26:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-1379130156-1159388784=:79744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I hav just ordered my first mac. Please tell me where to get more info on the Augustus Loop. best regards of Rune F, Norway mark sottilaro skrev: Oh that old thing!? ;) Seriously, any Mac user on this list who doesn't own Augustus Loop, or hasn't upgraded is plum crazy. This software is FUN. I kind of mostly ignored it for years as I fooled with hardware, but over the last few weeks I've rediscovered it and the cool stuff it can do. Not nearly as cool (but for those of you who are stuck with XP) is the Elottronix vst. Still pretty damn cool though. Dial in some tape his and sit back and pretend you're at Fripp's house. Mark --- Os wrote: > What you want, maybe, is a looper that lets you > specify the fade-out > *time* you want, in seconds. > > Something, like, oh, Augustus Loop? ;) > > os. > > > > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about > why shorter loops > > fade out more quickly than longer loops with the > same feedback setting. > > > > The reason is that the feedback control sets the > amount by which the > > volume is reduced per loop repetition. Thus, a > shorter loop's volume > > will decrease by the same amount within less time > than a longer loop. > > > > More details: http://nosuch.biz/loopFeedback/ > > > > Comments/corrections welcome! > > > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1379130156-1159388784=:79744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi !

    I hav just ordered my first mac. Please tell me where to get more info on the Augustus Loop.

    best regards of Rune F, Norway

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
    Oh that old thing!? ;)

    Seriously, any Mac user on this list who doesn't own
    Augustus Loop, or hasn't upgraded is plum crazy. This
    software is FUN. I kind of mostly ignored it for
    years as I fooled with hardware, but over the last few
    weeks I've rediscovered it and the cool stuff it can
    do.

    Not nearly as cool (but for those of you who are stuck
    with XP) is the Elottronix vst. Still pretty damn
    cool though. Dial in some tape his and sit back and
    pretend you're at Fripp's house.

    Mark

    --- Os wrote:

    > What you want, maybe, is a looper that lets you
    > specify the fade-out
    > *time* you want, in seconds.
    >
    > Something, like, oh, Augustus Loop? ;)
    >
    > os.
    >
    >
    > > On the Moebius mailing list we were talking about
    > why shorter loops
    > > fade out more quickly than longer loops with the
    > same feedback setting.
    > >
    > > The reason is that the feedback control sets the
    > amount by which the
    > > volume is reduced per loop repetition. Thus, a
    > shorter loop's volume
    > > will decrease by the same amount within less time
    > than a longer loop.
    > >
    > > More details: http://nosuch.biz/loopFeedback/
    > >
    > > Comments/corrections welcome!
    > >
    > > Bernhard
    > > http://nosuch.biz
    >
    >


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    Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1379130156-1159388784=:79744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 20:27:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BCEC3BED5; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pO4SmZc9cV1oad2bb8Fm7H0krS/IDBxG+T3wzYgP4dzk0sEGUhSRpqQKYGn0isR2HzmdiDzBK/MFrt7shz1YbYB2HFAief4Mhupp2J3nMsh9f/6nHS7sdTK8UaiKseT0ZmJ3KbPy4V1yQFtjhwdVA5jRe2mY/bgf6brpCA/ng8M= ; Message-ID: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <091e01c6e1f1$5df1e660$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:27:46 +0000 (UTC) I like controlling a Reaktor .ens called Spacedrone (guess what that sounds like) with a P5 Data Glove. Every 10 minutes I realize what I must look like and I start giggling. Good times. My wife-to-be walks in on me in these moments and I just exclaim, "Music from the Marks of Space!" BTW, wish me luck kids, I'm getting hitched this weekend. I'll be off the grid for a few weeks, but perhaps I'll bring my laptop and do some looping in the tropics... Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Whoops, sorry....I see that the original reference > to Sun Ra was cut out in the response below. I was > echoing the same response, with exeption of > Metaphysical. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? > > > Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for it on > http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php > > Reaktor has an ensemble called Metaphysical that > is great too. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? > > > On 9/26/06, Legion > wrote: > > just started messing with a PC laptop (watch > out!) and I'm looking for VST > softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient > or rhythmical > "generators". > > Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good > combination. > > Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: > > http://spectrasonics.net > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 20:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C82923BEDA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b1801c6e276$156fbae0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:47:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:47:05 +0000 (UTC) I'll go look that ensemble up on the Reaktor library. Thanks, Mark...and contratulations!!! ...though about the laptop....those don't fly to well with other half on vacation, in my experience. :) My wife calls my basement the black hole....once I go there, I never come out but get consumed with music, my computer, gear, etc. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? >I like controlling a Reaktor .ens called Spacedrone > (guess what that sounds like) with a P5 Data Glove. > Every 10 minutes I realize what I must look like and I > start giggling. > > Good times. My wife-to-be walks in on me in these > moments and I just exclaim, "Music from the Marks of > Space!" > > BTW, wish me luck kids, I'm getting hitched this > weekend. I'll be off the grid for a few weeks, but > perhaps I'll bring my laptop and do some looping in > the tropics... > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Whoops, sorry....I see that the original reference >> to Sun Ra was cut out in the response below. I was >> echoing the same response, with exeption of >> Metaphysical. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:55 PM >> Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? >> >> >> Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for it on >> http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php >> >> Reaktor has an ensemble called Metaphysical that >> is great too. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dk >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? >> >> >> On 9/26/06, Legion >> wrote: >> >> just started messing with a PC laptop (watch >> out!) and I'm looking for VST >> softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient >> or rhythmical >> "generators". >> >> Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good >> combination. >> >> Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: >> >> http://spectrasonics.net >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:19:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 041D13BED8; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: looping videos/data gloves/vst ambient generators? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:19:07 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c6e27a$91a5d690$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acbic2YtK2hTAC1CQaONTQg1tC/K/QABvCqQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:19:09 +0000 (UTC) > I like controlling a Reaktor .ens called Spacedrone (guess > what that sounds like) with a P5 Data Glove. > Every 10 minutes I realize what I must look like and I start giggling. Coming back to the discussion about looping videos just recently - you don't happen to have some videos showing you controlling your software with the data glove? I'm asking because I happen to own such a device and would like to see if it is worth the time to get it to work with some computer stuff (so far, I had been using it to control my MicroModular...) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:20:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6703BED8; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rl98bccQOdxv1sldKV+dhpA2f0J4RR/nShzp6FKZ8yTEBTVMuvmVtZqOE8dBDwhmXdupsAcrFvA35dR/EHvzScGeKUakCMxHUHUy6L8FvOViaO4VyPd12ijYuEo58j8Nh/Jye3A0hdb+7mpDNLHzP9lKNqa84PGkJERhxruwBLI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060927202624.80483.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060927202624.80483.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <310A2272-FA5D-4FDA-B4DC-E8DC17EDD10A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:20:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5Rr-lD.A.3uG.7suGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:59 +0000 (UTC) On 27 sep 2006, at 22.26, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I hav just ordered my first mac. Please tell me where to get more > info on the Augustus Loop. > > best regards of Rune F, Norway Ok, Rune - I'll tell you now... It's at http://www.collective.co.uk/ expertsleepers/augustusloop.html BTW, these days I think Norway is so cool... just can't get enough of Arve Henriksson's music ;-D) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2FEC3BEDC; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6C6C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <009401c6e260$cf610e60$0202a8c0@Lightning> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting thread-index: AcbiYIkxAksxcy/wT/m8i8atNehuwgAE5X3A From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:21:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Warren Sirota > The points seem to be tied to specific looping implementations.=20 There are two fundamental concepts, which lacking any formal definition we call "feedback" and "fade". The concepts are implemented by many loopers, though the names used are not always the same. Fading is usually taken to mean manipulation of the output level, either gradually lowering it to zero or raising it from zero. This does not modify the loop, so you can always "unfade" by moving the level in the opposite direction. Feedback is a destructive operation that involves re-recording the loop at a percentage of its previous level. The usual examples of this are the EDP or a tape delay with a special erase/record head. You cannot "unfeedback" unless the looper supports multi-layer undo. The formulas apply to feedback, not fading. This originated from a discussion on fading and how you could accomplish something similar to fading with feedback, but that they have different characteristics. They should be relevant for the EDP, Looperlative, or any other looper that supports feedback with this definition. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:37:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42AEF3BED3; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b3d01c6e27d$2a2d5080$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060927202624.80483.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <310A2272-FA5D-4FDA-B4DC-E8DC17EDD10A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:37:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Per, do you have a link to Arve's music? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting > On 27 sep 2006, at 22.26, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> I hav just ordered my first mac. Please tell me where to get more info >> on the Augustus Loop. >> >> best regards of Rune F, Norway > > > Ok, Rune - I'll tell you now... It's at http://www.collective.co.uk/ > expertsleepers/augustusloop.html > > BTW, these days I think Norway is so cool... just can't get enough of > Arve Henriksson's music ;-D) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:58:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF443BED8; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01dd01c6e280$12c88420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K6 participation Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:58:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <7-flWD.A.gBB.IQvGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:58:32 +0000 (UTC) About participation in this year's festival: For the first year ever, I never made a public call for artists for the festival as I do every year about 8 weeks out from it. I had 60 artists contact me about performing byTHREE months before the event and the event filled up to the point of having several people on an alternate's list for performance spots, currently. Next year, I will establish a new protocol for submissions and announce about 4-6 months in advance, making final performance decisions 2 months before the festival. I will continue to give priority to live loopers who travel a long distance to attend, for what that's worth. There are still, however, spots open for the KYBERjam here at the Santa Cruz side of the event. It will occur at Meta Music between noon and 7 p.m. Sunday, October 22nd. Please contact Rainer Straschill who is organizing this real time internet jam between artists who are at the festival and live loopers from around the world. I do believe the remote performance spots are full but I am not sure about that. Please contact Rainer. rs@moinlabs.de So, if you want to come to the main festival (and the satellite festivals in San Jose, San Francisco and Oakland --- for the 10th anniversary of Loopers Delight party) you still might be able to perform at the KYBERJAM. For more information, please go to the website at www.y2k6loopfest.com and for about a week or so, do not email me directly: I'm in the the thick of trying to finish the organization and the publicity for these 6 events. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 22:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF7D3BED8; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:35:36 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-reply-to: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6C6C@keel.sailpoint.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) I guess I don't see why feedback would have any better utility than fade - it seems more limited, and its destructive nature doesn't seem like an asset in any situation that I can envision (I'm sure others are more imaginative than I). Don't have time for an archive search now, so sorry if I'm repetitive of something there. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop > with same feedback setting > > > From: Warren Sirota > > The points seem to be tied to specific looping implementations. > > There are two fundamental concepts, which lacking any formal > definition we call "feedback" and "fade". The concepts are > implemented by many loopers, though the names used are not > always the same. > > Fading is usually taken to mean manipulation of the output > level, either gradually lowering it to zero or raising it > from zero. This does not modify the loop, so you can always > "unfade" by moving the level in the opposite direction. > > Feedback is a destructive operation that involves > re-recording the loop at a percentage of its previous level. > The usual examples of this are the EDP or a tape delay with a > special erase/record head. You cannot "unfeedback" unless the > looper supports multi-layer undo. > > The formulas apply to feedback, not fading. This originated > from a discussion on fading and how you could accomplish > something similar to fading with feedback, but that they have > different characteristics. They should be relevant for the > EDP, Looperlative, or any other looper that supports feedback > with this definition. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 22:46:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E983BED3; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=q8/7oZgPTyFd8xxcc+iiJdbk++a0uMcrb/LgSYtic4eoPQKM05Vcft+lRPlajWJ/pf+ypq6ou7qsg8wtF2DTL+uM6aoByGH+hi7iDpccBkAdzGFe4Bc3FurvaeY2kpkDcy1Sf00HkbisG5d6DlZfDuHiXE4hsjrWzMSObgoVvYU= In-Reply-To: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59EE555D-A5DA-4C0B-96EA-3AF51350E597@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:46:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7aS9N.A.OsC.y8vGFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) On 28 sep 2006, at 00.35, Warren Sirota wrote: > I guess I don't see why feedback would have any better utility than > fade - > it seems more limited, and its destructive nature doesn't seem like > an asset > in any situation that I can envision (I'm sure others are more > imaginative > than I). Don't have time for an archive search now, so sorry if I'm > repetitive of something there. One good thing with using feedback to fade out a loop is that you simply reduce the feedback a little and then you are free to do other things like looping on a different channel/looper while the first channel/loop fades out by feedback layer downscaling. I do this very often; work on one looper track while putting others to slowly vanish by reducing there feedback. With Undo a feedback fade-out is not "destructive". When I'm in a situation with long loops and short loops playing back together I can not use feedback to fade out all loops equally. So I don't. If I really have to fade equally I'll use hand faders and play instruments with only one hand for the part. Might be tricky. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 22:52:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55983BEDD; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5CsuMbjaZQ2Lq0eniHCb20nAtSd3VZS/wQ== X-Originating-IP: [71.164.36.180] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:51:20 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J0438.0ff4S.72d6M" Message-Id: <20060927.155144.15950.545980@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:489179089 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.188|webmail48.nyc.untd.com|webmail48.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J0438.0ff4S.72d6M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Congrats Mark on the nups! = Weg ----__JWM__J0438.0ff4S.72d6M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

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    ----__JWM__J0438.0ff4S.72d6M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4923BED5; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:34:45 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Looping in Boston To: Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" Message-id: <001401c6e295$e5f9ddc0$89e1a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <015e01c6e213$f8bf4b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Anyone in New England interested in Boston looping showing? I could try to pull something together Downstairs at the Middle East on a Monday night. I think 5 people would be all we would potentially need. We could follow the old "Loopers' Collective" format. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" ; "PURPLEHAND" ; "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:04 AM Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd > I'm proud to finally announce the > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL > featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of performances in 4 cities > (Oct 18-23) > in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on OCTOBER 21st and > 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. > > Other shows will feature the headlining and featured artists in San > Jose > (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San Francisco > (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side of Live Looping at the > Luggage Store Experimental Music Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th > for the 10th Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader > Kim Flint). > > Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all the events. > > We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time that > we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing website, Loopers Delight, > that has brought us all together to be one of the most intriguing, creative > and communal music movements going these days. > > > Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY > For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup will feature > headlingers: > > HEADLINERS: > MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), > RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) > > featured performers: > Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), Krispen Hartung (US) > and Zoe Keating (US) > > special guests: > Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X Neuburg (US) and > LOOP ! STATION (US) > > and many others. > > In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time > internet > KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from Germany > on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. > > This will involve loopers from all over the planet and loopers from the > festival using the new NINjam > technology. > > If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime > broadcast of the whole affair. > Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris Roberts (CPR) > and maintained > by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) > > www.y2k6loopfest.com > > yours, > Rick Walker > Y2K6 Festival organizer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1F23BED8; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1QJ1wkoWSFXexlDm1fg0RMDRhAjsj+MFFdvLPoNffOyWdwwrvO2HA7amZ5erjPkgtsl4Nw2n/85fl9GMDoFyO1szt3gOPcvLqSvzu1Z+9tGggabubMjA3hWAhK2q7vg9+/Qw2nJP+aA4LFHBQds2EJY9k7qHpAoRFM4PvQ9J8Cw= ; Message-ID: <20060928004634.55005.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060927.155144.15950.545980@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Thank you sir! --- Weg wrote: > Congrats Mark on the nups! > > Weg > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:50:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23323BEE1; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <451B1C43.7000901@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:50:11 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? References: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:50:16 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I like controlling a Reaktor .ens called Spacedrone > (guess what that sounds like) with a P5 Data Glove. > Every 10 minutes I realize what I must look like and I > start giggling. > > Good times. My wife-to-be walks in on me in these > moments and I just exclaim, "Music from the Marks of > Space!" Heh. That's better than having your wife look over your pile-o-synths and comment, "It's not the pheromone you think it is." Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:52:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485F13BEE0; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: vst ambient generators? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: <20060927202745.22852.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations on the nuptuals, did it myself last June, Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? I like controlling a Reaktor .ens called Spacedrone (guess what that sounds like) with a P5 Data Glove. Every 10 minutes I realize what I must look like and I start giggling. Good times. My wife-to-be walks in on me in these moments and I just exclaim, "Music from the Marks of Space!" BTW, wish me luck kids, I'm getting hitched this weekend. I'll be off the grid for a few weeks, but perhaps I'll bring my laptop and do some looping in the tropics... Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Whoops, sorry....I see that the original reference > to Sun Ra was cut out in the response below. I was > echoing the same response, with exeption of > Metaphysical. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? > > > Sun Ra. Excellent. You can search for it on > http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php > > Reaktor has an ensemble called Metaphysical that > is great too. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: vst ambient generators? > > > On 9/26/06, Legion > wrote: > > just started messing with a PC laptop (watch > out!) and I'm looking for VST > softsynths or plugins that are kind of ambient > or rhythmical > "generators". > > Atmosphere + Stylus RMX is a really good > combination. > > Check out the demos on Spectrasonics site: > > http://spectrasonics.net > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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    --159f7a13-091f-497d-8a61-5e36300fc89e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 03:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4AEC3BEDA; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:57:32 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-reply-to: <59EE555D-A5DA-4C0B-96EA-3AF51350E597@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8XwpjB.A.IVG.9d0GFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Per said: > > One good thing with using feedback to fade out a loop is that you > simply reduce the feedback a little and then you are free to > do other > things like looping on a different channel/looper while the first > channel/loop fades out by feedback layer downscaling. And this is different than fading a track or group of tracks while playing or looping on others? I'm beginning to feel like we're talking about the same thing with different words here.... > > With Undo a feedback fade-out is not "destructive". That does ameliorate the disadvantages of feedback. > > When I'm in a situation with long loops and short loops playing back > together I can not use feedback to fade out all loops equally. So I > don't. If I really have to fade equally I'll use hand faders > and play > instruments with only one hand for the part. Might be tricky. Right.... Which is why "fade" on a multichannel looper makes more sense than feedback, if it's available. Still, we work with what we have, right? > Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 04:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EB73BED5; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57568158-7985-45CF-B1BD-FC8B208CCD88@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:24:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:24:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Warren Sirota > I guess I don't see why feedback would have any better utility than fade - > it seems more limited, and its destructive nature doesn't seem like an asset > in any situation that I can envision Feedback and fade are different tools used for different purposes. One classic application of feedback would be in "ambient" looping where you are continually overdubbing, and each overdub gradually decays over several loop iterations. The loop keeps evolving for as many hours as you choose to keep playing. The key difference between this and what some multitrack loopers do, is that you are only using one track, the track is being destructively modified. A multitrack looper can simulate feedback by putting each overdub on a different track and lowering the output level of the earlier tracks. This works until you fill all the tracks, then you have to start throwing something away. With true feedback, the layers can decay over an unlimited number of loop iterations. Putting overdubs on separate tracks works very well for "arrangement" looping, where you record a beatbox pattern, then overdub a bass line, then some rhythm guitar, etc. Here the loop doesn't evolve in the same way. Each layer stands on its own and you want to mix them individually. In this case fades make more sense, you may want to temporarily fade out the rhythm guitar, but then fade it back in later. A more advanced use of feedback is to "play" it using a continuous controller pedal. The simplest use of feedback is to set it to a fixed value, like 50%, so the layers decay steadily. But you can also dynamically change feedback as the loop plays to create volume swells or tremolo effects in the background as you overdub new layers. A more mundane application of feedback is just to simulate a digital delay where the loop is short, say 1 or 2 seconds, and whatever you play decays over a few loops, but you're not burning any new tracks. Of course, it is nice if a looper provides both features :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 05:46:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96E0F3BEE1; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:49:27 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-reply-to: <57568158-7985-45CF-B1BD-FC8B208CCD88@zonemobius.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Jeff said: > A multitrack looper can simulate feedback by putting each > overdub on a different track and lowering the output level of > the earlier tracks. This works until you fill all the > tracks, then you have to start throwing something away. Excellent observation. But then you can background mix old tracks as you near capacity in order to free up memory and cpu, and go on forever if that's your wish (though making this clear in the UI might take some inspired design). Although I haven't done this yet on my system, it's not difficult, at least in MAX. > With > true feedback, the layers can decay over an unlimited number > of loop iterations. > > Putting overdubs on separate tracks works very well for > "arrangement" looping, where you record a beatbox pattern, > then overdub a bass line, then some rhythm guitar, etc. Well, that *is* more my style, although I don't use canned patterns or a beatbox (hw or sw), and my spontaneous arrangements are wacko, and the looper then does some crazy things with it. >Here > the loop doesn't evolve in the same way. Each layer stands > on its own and you want to mix them individually. In this > case fades make more sense, you may want to temporarily fade > out the rhythm guitar, but then fade it back in later. Exactly. Except I usually group tracks and fade them in/out together instead of one at a time. > A more advanced use of feedback is to "play" it using a > continuous controller pedal. > The simplest use of feedback is > to set it to a fixed value, like 50%, so the layers decay > steadily. But you can also dynamically change feedback as > the loop plays to create volume swells or tremolo effects in > the background as you overdub new layers. That seems is a little more interesting than mapping a CC pedal to the volume of a track or set of tracks. I believe that I could pretty readily accomplish this via non-destructive multitrack "feedback" (using volume controls) if that became a priority for me. And a single track could control the feedback, so everything would fade or swell together (and "negative"? feedback is possible, where volumes increase instead of decrease). How do you create a swell with destructive feedback, anyway? As I recall, at least on the EDP, no matter where you set the feedback knob, the volume of the loop never increases without new input. It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an implementation artifact rather than a feature. > Of course, it is nice if a looper provides both features :-) I couldn't agree more. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75EE3BEE2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U0fOIwhCihTfqnPRM65tCn+CTlct3bL2cJNtkFsi2LndQJJRwqFVD5zaVgcnwqqnbGYIrK13DT4lJe6iMIOtwXE1606uAqC65IeJNHQAGUbLRsmVb4WuPKuiqQXMGL5V7yPNc/C4EigJB58YbBVsODJJ5vDJH5qaeBKFwhQkoWg= ; Message-ID: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060926191643.11101.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Mark and Charles for your replies... Well, I bought some new switches and installed them... they're similar to the Radio Shack ones you suggested, black plastic and they cost me $2.50 each... As I stood in the store I held the switches in my hand and I clicked on them to see how loud they sound and they sounded a lot quieter than the switches that came with the unit... But now that I have tested it out with the new switches, I find they are still too loud... Part of the problem is once the switches are bolted to the metal case of the foot controller, the case acts as a resonator and amplifies the clicking... No way am I going to create music with a looping tool that places a grossly audible click at the end of each loop cycle... I just ordered the switches Travis recommended from Mouser (EDP replacement switches made by Mountain Switch)... I haven't heard how they sound, but I'll give them a shot... If it's still too loud to use for live-miked acoustic instruments, then I will just sell this whole stupid 2880 and the foot pedal and all the CF cards I bought on eBay... I'm sure some electronic looping musician could get some decent use out ot it, but I guess until I hear from someone that there is a looper with a foot controller that doesn't make noise, I am an acoustic musician who is just out of luck (I suppose I could also tape a contact mic to my horn instead of using a free standing dynamic or condensor mic - it would sound like crap but at least it wouldn't pick up the clickety click of the looper)... I sure hope those EDP replacement switches are quiet enough to do the trick... I suppose I could try and learn MIDI, and try out the Behringer, but I dunno, I'm not so good with high-tech stuff, MIDI intimidates me... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:08:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08FA83BEE7; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6124676D-B75D-45DF-855E-2248FC6DF8B9@rithma.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Reese Ritherspoon Subject: hello world its me, Rithers... Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:08:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <496aP.A.JiG.Nb2GFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:08:13 +0000 (UTC) g'marnin folks. My given name is etienne, rednecks where im from call me steve. I produce music as Rithma for Om records, and am just recently sticking my tippy toes into the world of looping. i owned a boss rc-50 for a minute, but got scared and returned it within 30 days for store credit, and i continue playing with ableton and a small array of midi controllers. anyways, nice (in advance...) to meet everyone here. feel free to check out music and shenannagans at www.rithma.org its a poorly maintained site at the moment because im up against the wall in emails and mixdown for this new CD. but anyways, nough about me. im curious 2 things - (pardon me if they are redundant questions, im brand new) - can anyone suggest some of their favorite artists that i should check out? and, is there a known "best" looper in existance? the more i reasearch & try things out, it seems everything has its own bugs & drawbacks. is there a "lamborghini"? much love & music etienne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89D423BEEC; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:10:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:10:37 +0000 (UTC) To entirely avoid clicks: I route an EV5 pedal to trigger record and=20 play when at or near the "toe" position. Perfectly quiet. It is all done in max/msp.....so you'd have to use a laptop. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:06 PM, Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > I just ordered the switches Travis recommended from Mouser (EDP=20 > replacement switches made by > Mountain Switch)... I haven't heard how they sound, but I'll give them=20= > a shot... If it's still too > loud to use for live-miked acoustic instruments, then I will just sell=20= > this whole stupid 2880 and > the foot pedal and all the CF cards I bought on eBay... I'm sure some=20= > electronic looping musician > could get some decent use out ot it, but I guess until I hear from=20 > someone that there is a looper > with a foot controller that doesn't make noise, I am an acoustic=20 > musician who is just out of luck > (I suppose I could also tape a contact mic to my horn instead of using=20= > a free standing dynamic or > condensor mic - it would sound like crap but at least it wouldn't pick=20= > up the clickety click of > the looper)... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:19:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F81D3BEE2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d9a01c6e2c6$0cf25d50$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:19:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <50JMrD.A.iF.yl2GFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC) The question is, which enquiring minds want to know, Jeff, is what don't you have MAX/MSP doing for you...I'm visualizing MAX/MSP starting (loadbanding) your coffeemaker in the morning, controlling (via some monstrous object and set of parameters you've concocted) the humidity of your cigar humidifier, mixing (via the mix/fader object) your drinks at night, and many other mundane tasks that only mere mortals concern themselves with.... :) The thing is, I'm right behind you....because I need to pick your brain now on this whole EV5 controller thing. I have one, and I'd love to use it to control my VST parameters in MAX/MSP....problem is, all I have is USB connections, so I may need another solution. Of course, I could use my FCB, which has two expression pedals, where I could assign them to one MIDI channel, and my buttons for Mobius to another MIDI channel...but then I'm back to dragging that boat anchor around. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To entirely avoid clicks: I route an EV5 pedal to trigger record and play when at or near the "toe" position. Perfectly quiet. It is all done in max/msp.....so you'd have to use a laptop. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:06 PM, Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > I just ordered the switches Travis recommended from Mouser (EDP > replacement switches made by > Mountain Switch)... I haven't heard how they sound, but I'll give them a > shot... If it's still too > loud to use for live-miked acoustic instruments, then I will just sell > this whole stupid 2880 and > the foot pedal and all the CF cards I bought on eBay... I'm sure some > electronic looping musician > could get some decent use out ot it, but I guess until I hear from someone > that there is a looper > with a foot controller that doesn't make noise, I am an acoustic musician > who is just out of luck > (I suppose I could also tape a contact mic to my horn instead of using a > free standing dynamic or > condensor mic - it would sound like crap but at least it wouldn't pick up > the clickety click of > the looper)... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:39:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A6983BEE1; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMkJG0WBTootAQIHAgwHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060928073745.01abca00@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:39:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-Reply-To: <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6C6C@keel.sailpoint.com> <000201c6e285$40c83c30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:39:43 +0000 (UTC) >I guess I don't see why feedback would have any better utility than fade - >it seems more limited, and its destructive nature doesn't seem like an asset >in any situation that I can envision (I'm sure others are more imaginative >than I). Indeed, feedback is most useful ( listen to some loopers ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:44:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36DE53BEB6; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0d9a01c6e2c6$0cf25d50$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d9a01c6e2c6$0cf25d50$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:44:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:44:46 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The question is, which enquiring minds want to know, Jeff, is what=20 > don't you have MAX/MSP doing for you...I'm visualizing MAX/MSP=20 > starting (loadbanding) your coffeemaker in the morning, It heats my kettle to precisely 173 degrees for my morning white tea > controlling (via some monstrous object and set of parameters you've=20= > concocted) the humidity of your cigar humidifier, midi-controlled hygrometer....how did you know? 72 percent is the=20 perfect humidity, which is also the midi number for c above middle=20 c....the hygrometer is set to play notes at every degree...flat it=20 triggers and dispenses distilled water, sharp it doesn't..... > mixing (via the mix/fader object) your drinks at night, and many other=20= > mundane tasks that only mere mortals concern themselves with.... :) It's not hard to mix a Scotch neat.....still have problems with it=20 trimming my cigars: it does well with robustos, but blows it on the=20 perfectos. > The thing is, I'm right behind you....because I need to pick your=20 > brain now on this whole EV5 controller thing. I have one, and I'd love=20= > to use it to control my VST parameters in MAX/MSP....problem is, all I=20= > have is USB connections, so I may need another solution. Of course, I=20= > could use my FCB, which has two expression pedals, where I could=20 > assign them to one MIDI channel, and my buttons for Mobius to another=20= > MIDI channel...but then I'm back to dragging that boat anchor around. To keep this on target: I will gladly get together with anyone while at=20= the Y2K6 (http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/...pimpin it yeah) and show them=20= how this stuff works. No, I'm not an employee of cycling74.....just a=20 huge fan after converting me from carrying all that heavy gear..... max/msp cut my chiropractor bills in half...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 06:53:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D9B3BEDA; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d9a01c6e2c6$0cf25d50$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:53:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:53:50 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:44 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> problem is, all I have is USB connections, so I may need another=20 >> solution. Of course, I could use my FCB, which has two expression=20 >> pedals, where I could assign them to one MIDI channel, and my buttons=20= >> for Mobius to another MIDI channel...but then I'm back to dragging=20 >> that boat anchor around. >> do you have midi in? an expensive solution would be a few of these:=20 http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm very lightweight and small with an ev5....but 129 dollars for one makes=20= it pricey..... another option is doepfer: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm If you don't mind soldering.....I considered it, before the audio to=20 midi thing was happening for me..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 08:08:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEFA93BED8; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JRSGARw4J8LHJ02UqqMs3b3Kb4KfjhBalwQxjXkYBaJPxx98fU9XSHhs97s2Fr3WHe1Jj0Y1RttL57SrvT4B4spzGZM5D5/7waleUwTd007RPfgYKmocXGiFxt3EIOWyusdb3TRlUDdlRmTMOBFxLyvvgn+p9FzewbBe+VEjC3k= In-Reply-To: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <27E47504-7C07-489D-810A-D705F8576104@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:08:58 +0000 (UTC) On 28 sep 2006, at 07.49, Warren Sirota wrote: > How do you create a swell with destructive feedback, anyway? As I > recall, at > least on the EDP, no matter where you set the feedback knob, the > volume of > the loop never increases without new input. You can "pump" the feedback knob/pedal to decrease/increase playback level. On the EDP this works as long as you stay in the same loop round ( I think...). This will create tremolo or quick fade-in/out effects in the audio. This is a technique I'm using a lot for playing the EDP as well as Mobius (where you have the infinite Undo/Redo history to go back if you should overdo it by mistake) > It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an > implementation artifact rather than a feature. Yes, I think you are correct IF we are talking about "using feedback as a way to cheat a fading function". But Feedback is a completely different function compared to Fading. Anyone interested should try to PLAY with these function and learn what they are good, and less good, for. > Per said: >> >> One good thing with using feedback to fade out a loop is that you >> simply reduce the feedback a little and then you are free to >> do other >> things like looping on a different channel/looper while the first >> channel/loop fades out by feedback layer downscaling. > On 28 sep 2006, at 05.57, Warren Sirota wrote: > And this is different than fading a track or group of tracks while > playing > or looping on others? Yes. A lot different. > I'm beginning to feel like we're talking about the > same thing with different words here.... I think you feel that way because you just don't need that particular functionality that sets feedback and fading apart. I too design my my looping rig from my musical need, as opposed to designing it from "feature specifications" and I think that is very important. I especially take care to cut out, from my palette, everything that I don't need to be creative. At least for myself, I think it's much easier to create interesting music/sound when you have less options to keep instantly accessible in your working imagination. "Kill your darlings" as we say ;-) BTW I have different knobs/faders/pedals for two types of feedback (as those "pedals interface modes" of the EDP) as well as looper/ track level. IMHO they are all different tools. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 08:39:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5836D3BEF3; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:42:33 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-reply-to: <27E47504-7C07-489D-810A-D705F8576104@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c6e2da$0ac5c940$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:39:39 +0000 (UTC) > > > It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the > feedback is an > > implementation artifact rather than a feature. > > Yes, I think you are correct IF we are talking about "using feedback > as a way to cheat a fading function". But Feedback is a completely > different function compared to Fading. Anyone interested should try > to PLAY with these function and learn what they are good, and less > good, for. > I guess I'd best put that on my list... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 08:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6611E3BEDE; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060928014433.05119ee0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:54:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting In-Reply-To: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <57568158-7985-45CF-B1BD-FC8B208CCD88@zonemobius.com> <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:51:52 +0000 (UTC) As discussed many times, Feedback and fading are different functions. There can be some overlap, but mainly they server different purposes. Fading is about level control. Feedback is about loop evolution. One does not replace the other. At 10:49 PM 9/27/2006, Warren Sirota wrote: > > A multitrack looper can simulate feedback by putting each > > overdub on a different track and lowering the output level of > > the earlier tracks. This works until you fill all the > > tracks, then you have to start throwing something away. > >Excellent observation. But then you can background mix old tracks as you >near capacity in order to free up memory and cpu, and go on forever if >that's your wish But why do something so complicated??? Feedback is so easy to implement and so powerful in use. > >Here > > the loop doesn't evolve in the same way. Each layer stands > > on its own and you want to mix them individually. In this > > case fades make more sense, you may want to temporarily fade > > out the rhythm guitar, but then fade it back in later. > >Exactly. Except I usually group tracks and fade them in/out together instead >of one at a time. You should try working with true feedback control as it is meant to be used, for loop evolution. You will understand it then. It is not a fader. > > A more advanced use of feedback is to "play" it using a > > continuous controller pedal. > >How do you create a swell with destructive feedback, anyway? As I recall, at >least on the EDP, no matter where you set the feedback knob, the volume of >the loop never increases without new input. If you dynamically control feedback, you hear the loop swelling back up. try it. >It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an >implementation artifact rather than a feature. No, that is the whole entire point of it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 09:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3C13BEE2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060928015422.05119d98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:09:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... In-Reply-To: References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:07:40 +0000 (UTC) At 11:10 PM 9/27/2006, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >To entirely avoid clicks: I route an EV5 pedal to trigger record and play >when at or near the "toe" position. > >Perfectly quiet. but not at all accurate? >It is all done in max/msp.....so you'd have to use a laptop. no, anything requiring a momentary switch can work with a cc or volume pedal in this way. In my experience designing looping pedals, I've found a few critical features needed in the switches to make musicians happy: 1. Acoustically silent 2. short throw for accurate tapping 3. Good tactile feel for the contact point, again for accuracy 4. Low force required for contact. (more force = less tapping accuracy) there are switches that meet these requirements, but in my experience it took a lot of trial and error to find them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 10:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636D33BED2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:25:23 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <451BA313.3010605@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:25:54 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 30 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4. ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 13:01:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108A33BEE2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:03:15 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Off topic: Adding LEDs to an amp footswitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c6e2fe$7977c220$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers- Slightly off topic, but it may have applications for looping hardware and/or FX used with same. I recently purchased a Carvin V3 guitar amp. (KILLER amp, by the way.) The footswitch (Carvin's FS-44) has no LEDs to indicate which channel is in use, or whether the "boost" function is engaged. (LEDs are on the head but not the foot switch. I can't be turning around in the middle of a gig to see which channel is on, nomsane?) I would love to add LEDs to this footswitch, and I've been asking and searching on a lot of DIY sites, but I haven't yet been able to find a schematic to do so. The current switching system uses SPDT switches functioning as SPST switches. In other words, each switch has three lugs but only two are wired up. They function as simple on-off switches, probably triggering a logic circuit in the amp head. Each switch is a big ol' stomp switch, and the four switches are housed in an extruded aluminum housing that has plenty of room for, say, a 9V battery and a little circuit board. I'd like to add LEDs for each of the three channels plus the "boost" function so that only one channel light would be on at a time (d'oh!) but the "boost" function would be on-off independent of the channel (I THINK that's how it functions - gotta check out that detail ;-) ). It should be easy to power the lights with a 9 volt battery, and I'd like to wire it up so that it's totally independent of the current circuit. I have a dark suspicion that some kind of solid-state switching logic chip will be needed, which is where my brain siezes, having no experience with DIY solid-state stuff. There's plenty of room in the foot switch to do this. If necessary, I can swap the current stomp switches for DPDT or even TPDT if necessary. Can anybody cook up a schematic for this? Or is there one lurking on the Web that I haven't been able to find? Thanx in advance, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 13:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80DF23BEDE; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,230,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="309808951:sNHT34896636" From: Subject: Re: Looping in Boston To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060928092951.BNW70034@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Count me in! I'd love to do it. Tom Hall ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:34:45 -0400 >From: "David Kirkdorffer" >Subject: Looping in Boston >To: >Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" > >Anyone in New England interested in Boston looping showing? I could try to >pull something together Downstairs at the Middle East on a Monday night. I >think 5 people would be all we would potentially need. We could follow the >old "Loopers' Collective" format. > >David Kirkdorffer > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "loop.pool" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" ; "PURPLEHAND" >; "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" > >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:04 AM >Subject: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October >18-23rd > > >> I'm proud to finally announce the >> Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL >> featuring 50 artists from 5 countries in 5 days of performances in 4 >cities >> (Oct 18-23) >> in Northern California with the MAIN FESTIVAL to be held on OCTOBER 21st >and >> 22nd at ALCHEMY in Santa Cruz. >> >> Other shows will feature the headlining and featured artists in San >> Jose >> (Wednesday, October 18th at the Anno Domini Gallery), San Francisco >> (Thursday, October 19th for the Experimental side of Live Looping at the >> Luggage Store Experimental Music Series) and Oakland (Friday, October 20th >> for the 10th Anniversary of Loopers Delight Party with our fearless leader >> Kim Flint). >> >> Check www.y2k6loopfest.com for details, directions to all the events. >> >> We will be celebrating our 5th Anniversary at the same time that >> we celebrate the 10th Anniversary of this amazing website, Loopers >Delight, >> that has brought us all together to be one of the most intriguing, >creative >> and communal music movements going these days. >> >> >> Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY >> For the main festival on October 21st and 22nd, the lineup will feature >> headlingers: >> >> HEADLINERS: >> MIR-O (Finland), PER BOYSEN (Sweden), >> RAINER STRASCHILL (Germany) and BILL WALKER (US) >> >> featured performers: >> Artis the Spoonman (Mars), Jeff Kaiser (US), Krispen Hartung >(US) >> and Zoe Keating (US) >> >> special guests: >> Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Mando-Man (Japan), Amy X Neuburg (US) >and >> LOOP ! STATION (US) >> >> and many others. >> >> In addition to an amazing lineup we will be featuring a real time >> internet >> KYBERjam, coordinated by headliner Rainer Straschill from Germany >> on Sunday, October 22nd from 12 noon to 7 p.m. PST. >> >> This will involve loopers from all over the planet and loopers from the >> festival using the new NINjam >> technology. >> >> If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime >> broadcast of the whole affair. >> Again, details can be found at the website provided by Chris Roberts >(CPR) >> and maintained >> by Krispen Hartung (thanks guys!!!!) >> >> www.y2k6loopfest.com >> >> yours, >> Rick Walker >> Y2K6 Festival organizer >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 14:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0829E3BEDF; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e1801c6e308$cd604600$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0d9a01c6e2c6$0cf25d50$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:17:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Oh, this is totally cool, the midisolutions box. I actually have their box that turns one MIDI out into two, like a splitter. I will have to figure out how to make this work without confusing Mobius, since this box doesn't appear to assign a separate MIDI channel to the footpedal intput vs. the MIDI. I suppose I just need to ensure that Mobius is not configured to accept any contoller data, only program changes. Jeff Larson, do you think this pedal would pose any problems? Kris ----- Original Message ----- On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:44 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: do you have midi in? an expensive solution would be a few of these: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm very lightweight and small with an ev5....but 129 dollars for one makes it pricey..... another option is doepfer: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm If you don't mind soldering.....I considered it, before the audio to midi thing was happening for me..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 14:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABDA83BED8; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OwdYSHwJ0P/RkJfA67j+tR0o/CGB9XA9D/QlwWwT0hJGrkHwmfPrJSnBgFQp2Ft4fYPPc7DNVCjsKm9y4mVmyYoXotXbowWvJJqZ35YIGHMHEaFLjHkG7QgzSQUzJI+85ZlBPzwljNaq+8PDwcYG0e3BuCu6YCvRqEMh2Y/UgQ4= ; Message-ID: <20060928145404.47894.qmail@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) You guys are funny! (honestly)... but, jeez... I'm afraid I am *so* out of my depths on this list": just completely out of my league... I'll come back and chat with you all when I've learned MIDI, purchased my first first laptop and mastered the requisite music software... Peace out... Ferrara --- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > The question is, which enquiring minds want to know, Jeff, is what > > don't you have MAX/MSP doing for you...I'm visualizing MAX/MSP > > starting (loadbanding) your coffeemaker in the morning, > > It heats my kettle to precisely 173 degrees for my morning white tea > > > controlling (via some monstrous object and set of parameters you've > > concocted) the humidity of your cigar humidifier, > > midi-controlled hygrometer....how did you know? 72 percent is the > perfect humidity, which is also the midi number for c above middle > c....the hygrometer is set to play notes at every degree...flat it > triggers and dispenses distilled water, sharp it doesn't..... > > > > mixing (via the mix/fader object) your drinks at night, and many other > > mundane tasks that only mere mortals concern themselves with.... :) > > It's not hard to mix a Scotch neat.....still have problems with it > trimming my cigars: it does well with robustos, but blows it on the > perfectos. > > > > The thing is, I'm right behind you....because I need to pick your > > brain now on this whole EV5 controller thing. I have one, and I'd love > > to use it to control my VST parameters in MAX/MSP....problem is, all I > > have is USB connections, so I may need another solution. Of course, I > > could use my FCB, which has two expression pedals, where I could > > assign them to one MIDI channel, and my buttons for Mobius to another > > MIDI channel...but then I'm back to dragging that boat anchor around. > > > To keep this on target: I will gladly get together with anyone while at > the Y2K6 (http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/...pimpin it yeah) and show them > how this stuff works. No, I'm not an employee of cycling74.....just a > huge fan after converting me from carrying all that heavy gear..... > > max/msp cut my chiropractor bills in half...... > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 16:13:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5FE23BEDF; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37b.cd78600.324d4eb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:13:37 EDT Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_37b.cd78600.324d4eb1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_37b.cd78600.324d4eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know nothing of switches but i do know that i really like the ones on the rang, quiet, short throw, and they don't need much force to activate them.....i've had my rang for over 6 years and this is the first time i had to replace one.....now i don't know if these switches are related just to the rang or can be used in other footpedals.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_37b.cd78600.324d4eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know nothing of switches but i do kno= w that i really like the ones on the rang, quiet, short throw, and  th= ey don't need much force to activate them.....i've had my rang for over 6 ye= ars and this is the first time i had to replace one.....now i don't know if=20= these switches are related just to the rang or can be used in other footpeda= ls.....:)m



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     --part1_37b.cd78600.324d4eb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 16:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2808A3BECF; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CC8@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <0e1801c6e308$cd604600$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... thread-index: AcbjCOHntF0/RYJLSwWAKqKn9p3+hgAEvkaQ From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:41:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Krispen Hartung > Oh, this is totally cool, the midisolutions box. I actually have their box=20 > that turns one MIDI out into two, like a splitter. I will have to figure out=20 > how to make this work without confusing Mobius, since this box doesn't > appear to assign a separate MIDI channel to the footpedal intput vs. the=20 > MIDI. I have a different MIDI solutions box, and they are usually=20 programmable. You should be able to assign the MIDI channel you want for the CC messages it generates. If you don't want Mobius to respond to it, just pick a channel or CC number that isn't bound to any of the Mobius controls. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 16:47:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE593BEDE; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CC9@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... thread-index: AcbixFoIBRGaAW85Q5KPEvRSDm0BogAWLDCQ From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:47:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Ferrara Brain Pan > Part of the problem is once the switches are > bolted to the metal case of the foot controller,=20 > the case acts as a resonator and amplifies the clicking... This is the same problem I had with the Ground Control Pro. If you feel like tinkering, you might try putting a rubber washer or grommet between the switch and the case to damp the vibrations. I suppose filling the case with foam or jello might help, but you may damage the circuits :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 16:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56BEE3BEEC; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12bd01c6e31e$b5a12a00$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CC8@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:54:09 +0000 (UTC) What one are you using, Jeff? Man, they have a ton of those black boxes. So I gather you are saying that I could use the one Jeff recommended, or even this one if I wanted more than one pedal. http://www.midisolutions.com/proddfs.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... From: Krispen Hartung > Oh, this is totally cool, the midisolutions box. I actually have their box > that turns one MIDI out into two, like a splitter. I will have to figure out > how to make this work without confusing Mobius, since this box doesn't > appear to assign a separate MIDI channel to the footpedal intput vs. the > MIDI. I have a different MIDI solutions box, and they are usually programmable. You should be able to assign the MIDI channel you want for the CC messages it generates. If you don't want Mobius to respond to it, just pick a channel or CC number that isn't bound to any of the Mobius controls. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:03:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2993BEDD; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CCA@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <12bd01c6e31e$b5a12a00$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... thread-index: AcbjHtAyVlyqKZgsS9yr1g617XfHwgAAALFg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <3BEsqD.A.XN.dBAHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Krispen Hartung > What one are you using, Jeff?=20 I have the one that takes a momentary switch and turns it into a MIDI note on/off. It worked fine but I have no need for it any more. It is rather expensive for what it does, but it is small. > So I gather you are saying that I could use the one=20 > Jeff recommended Yes. > or even this one if I wanted more than one pedal.=20 That one looks like the one I have, except it accepts two footswitches. I forget what you were needing, but this one doesn't generate continuous controller messages, only momentary messages like notes, programs, etc. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B317C3BEE6; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:09:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112094f50f6ac91a86226e22d75b07a1fe3d660b582bd1b8aac6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Are you sure that you bought momentary switches, they have no click whatsoever... I've used the radio shack switches to punch in and out of tape machines, and they are totally silent... >Thanks, Mark and Charles for your replies... > >Well, I bought some new switches and installed them... they're >similar to the Radio Shack ones you >suggested, black plastic and they cost me $2.50 each... As I stood >in the store I held the >switches in my hand and I clicked on them to see how loud they sound >and they sounded a lot >quieter than the switches that came with the unit... But now that I >have tested it out with the >new switches, I find they are still too loud... Part of the problem >is once the switches are >bolted to the metal case of the foot controller, the case acts as a >resonator and amplifies the >clicking... No way am I going to create music with a looping tool >that places a grossly audible >click at the end of each loop cycle... > >I just ordered the switches Travis recommended from Mouser (EDP >replacement switches made by >Mountain Switch)... I haven't heard how they sound, but I'll give >them a shot... If it's still too >loud to use for live-miked acoustic instruments, then I will just >sell this whole stupid 2880 and >the foot pedal and all the CF cards I bought on eBay... I'm sure >some electronic looping musician >could get some decent use out ot it, but I guess until I hear from >someone that there is a looper >with a foot controller that doesn't make noise, I am an acoustic >musician who is just out of luck >(I suppose I could also tape a contact mic to my horn instead of >using a free standing dynamic or >condensor mic - it would sound like crap but at least it wouldn't >pick up the clickety click of >the looper)... > >I sure hope those EDP replacement switches are quiet enough to do >the trick... I suppose I could >try and learn MIDI, and try out the Behringer, but I dunno, I'm not >so good with high-tech stuff, >MIDI intimidates me... > >Ferrara Brain Pan > >http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com > > >"Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." > > >Noel Scott Engel -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCFB33BEE6; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CCC@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting thread-index: AcbisfAF9NJH0wWgQAC1RZGyztEazAAa+F6Q From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]=20 > Per said: > > When I'm in a situation with long loops and short loops playing back > > together I can not use feedback to fade out all loops equally. So I > > don't. If I really have to fade equally I'll use hand faders=20 > > and play instruments with only one hand for the part. Might be tricky. > Right.... Which is why "fade" on a multichannel looper makes more sense than > feedback, if it's available. Still, we work with what we have, right? I just can't sleep with the lingering implication that Mobius does not support fades :-) It does in fact support fades, though automating fades currently requires scripts, several of which are available in the script library. Fades struck me as more of a personal preference or performance variable thing. How long is the fade? Is it synchronized with the tempo? Do you fade to zero or 30%? When you fade back up do you to go a specific value, or do you remember the previous value? If you remember the previous value, is that memory canceled if the user starts manually adjusting the levels? etc. Rather than baking in a particular behavior that might not work for everybody, I decided to leave it for scripting so it can be made to behave any way you want. And of course, if you're hosting it in Live or Max you can use several techniques to generate CC messages for controller automation. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 18:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013D73BED5; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00ef01c6e328$16a3fa40$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acbi3Y0gDw2hjgJ5R6OrNvWWaPTblgASd+gQ In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060928015422.05119d98@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:01:21 +0000 (UTC) > 1. Acoustically silent > 2. short throw for accurate tapping > 3. Good tactile feel for the contact point, again for accuracy > 4. Low force required for contact. (more force = less tapping > accuracy) Funny thing with #4, I always had a problem with my EDP footswitches- I would always double tap them. I switched them out for ones I bought from Digitech, who used them in their old Johnson modeling amp line for the footswitches. They are metal, and stick up more, but pretty silent if you don't stomp em. Occasionally I will still double press Record (it *feels* like I am pressing it once) which can really suck if you are trying an unrounded multiply. Other than the switch itself, would there be a reason for this? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 18:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 175C13BED5; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060928015422.05119d98@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060928015422.05119d98@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2d68cd0b1c113e3782c44011b298ff9a@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:24:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:24:07 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:09 AM, Kim Flint wrote: >> >> Perfectly quiet. > > but not at all accurate? Is that a question or a statement? :-) It is certainly not as accurate as some switches. I convert the pedal=20 input to midi and have it click on at >115 so, basically close to=20 hitting the end....you can set it for even greater numbers for more=20 accuracy, i.e. hitting it closer to the toe. But you still have the=20 throw of the pedal, which would not be accurate enough for some people. The other plus: the pedal can serve many different functions with=20 assignments......act as a controller or button. with less stuff to=20 carry. I was just throwing an option out there...it works beautifully for=20 me..... But hey, I'm an original member of "The Beatless." >> It is all done in max/msp.....so you'd have to use a laptop. > > no, anything requiring a momentary switch can work with a cc or volume=20= > pedal in this way. very cool! I did not know this. So it could be used as a switch in an=20 EDP. Nice. best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 19:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 056113BEDE; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ef01c6e328$16a3fa40$0202fea9@mincer> References: <00ef01c6e328$16a3fa40$0202fea9@mincer> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:02:05 -0400 To: From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112094f50f6ac91a86223a40483ca5a6589d3ac6e4cc4ce1ffe4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) This could be related to the switch debouncing routine built into the EDP. This is a simple subroutine in the interface software that causes the device to wait a number of cycles before registering the position of a switch after it detects the switch state change. It could also just be a crappy switch. At 2:01 PM -0400 9/28/06, hazard factor wrote: > >> 1. Acoustically silent >> 2. short throw for accurate tapping >> 3. Good tactile feel for the contact point, again for accuracy >> 4. Low force required for contact. (more force = less tapping >> accuracy) > >Funny thing with #4, I always had a problem with my EDP footswitches- I >would always double tap them. I switched them out for ones I bought from >Digitech, who used them in their old Johnson modeling amp line for the >footswitches. They are metal, and stick up more, but pretty silent if you >don't stomp em. >Occasionally I will still double press Record (it *feels* like I am pressing >it once) which can really suck if you are trying an unrounded multiply. >Other than the switch itself, would there be a reason for this? > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies -- ... http://www.zmix.net From do-not-replay@warrenfcu.com Thu Sep 28 20:50:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 9974 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:50:12 UTC Received: from web.3000k.com (web.3000k.com [69.20.122.51]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B83C3BECC for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31287 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 12:32:16 -0400 Received: from 64-147-74-160.adsl.intertex.net (HELO User) (64.147.74.160) by 69.20.79.218 with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 12:32:16 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Warren Federal Credit Union Notification" Subject: Warren Federal Credit Union Notification Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:35:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060928205009.5B83C3BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Warren Federal Credit Union Notification

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 23:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D4F53BED2; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:41:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: ceb635ec-4f4a-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfa1UtCkV1 UkhJREJSFA9sABYB A1AcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox11 ITACFhRxZWVjaWgX HkVedk0HJVFMfRoQ OU17AndcfGQGMih9 FVBsZ3VpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsEZnpLSX9u Dw0eHDEuAVxNWyJ7 KhU+YnsdEEdZFEIu PBM9XhogGFcXBxZF Fk5AG3gx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to pc messages? To run on an intel mac.... thank ye! Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 00:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D903BEDF; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I5rinrrap4VY5CexPuyn6WrMjX+MQyewOJtZkLZnG7xqFaaAPBlPOj9UKNptkoYnQ7HPLffrzAtFxSVj7PlKHejDVB6Dwg8vEMwocX0jgaVwq7gjONSwYxUNUOTCsBp4haK+g6cwoZ8MTI1JeNEV6z+ZJ+OVMACmiy3rDktxJLI= ; Message-ID: <20060929005002.32858.qmail@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6CC9@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Yup. I thought of this before installing the new switches and did in fact put rubber washers in there between the metal plate and the nuts. I think it helped some, but not enough. The inside of the unit is pretty hollow and I was thinking about some sort of foam stuffing... though at this stage of the game, I've got an entirely different notion of 'stuffing' this foot controller (involving the idiot who designed it)... Ferrara --- Jeff Larson wrote: > If you feel like tinkering, you might try putting a rubber > washer or grommet between the switch and the case to damp > the vibrations. I suppose filling the case with foam > or jello might help, but you may damage the circuits :-) > > Jeff > > Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 00:58:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E1123BEE6; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4trWnf8YSDLu/moS2BosQSEhfPCwBmiFijFguGrTHV+S1nd+otChP/10ymOg/D9XX/Je2YUZ08XtooVWELQ8IN5xsSKx2DFGGdj94Wj19n+1EY8fdKVdB4dE+X+q9ZO4hQ4GJfo4/Ig6S0/GnuDVWoI1odFi+NuV5crHTnX+bmM= ; Message-ID: <20060929005815.62384.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Yep, they are momentary switches, and they don't actually 'click' like an ON/OFF click of a light switch or radio button, it's just the friction of the switch button going up and down in the mechanics of the switch... it sounds on paper like it would be next to negligible, and it would be if it were just a case of a single click during a part of the performance, but due to the fact I am miking an instrument that isn't that loud (compared to miking a guitar amp, for example) and I have to turn the gain on the preamp up, that faint click is amplified, and worst of all, REPEATED over and over at the end of every loop cycle, giving the whole loop a mechanical feel which just screams "Hey look! He just recorded what he played on a loop and it keeps repeating!"... --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > Are you sure that you bought momentary switches, they have no click > whatsoever... I've used the radio shack switches to punch in and out > of tape machines, and they are totally silent... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 04:06:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70A23BED5; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CbbV1zP7GAo0aMZIiTy6T23tDFBfwtWi2hPQv6/1Agb65qO/sVhSutNpYeYeVdP/YCObmTKeh19pOq8kZz1pnrnOHZDvApX7zqlnlTJVP1MydaPYi4z7Y1FrgdSBbReLB2sOo80yz6BmJ5VQi97NlHfzEHlOvLvzQ+akqVNPWXw= ; Message-ID: <20060929040611.42449.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060929005815.62384.qmail@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Well, I *thought* maybe I had found a workaround for the noisy footswitch issue... After some trial and error, it seems like the recorder only picks up the click on the original track of the loop (the so-called 'new loop', before you've made any overdubs)... so I thought I could use the punch-in feature to record over the original loop with the click, and I tried it, and it recorded a new take and the click went away! But get this: When I record on 'punch-in' setting (punch-in is a feature not included on the footswitch, stupidly enough, you have to press the button on the main unit with your finger... whereas they put octave and reverse switches on the foot controller, not as essential as having a foot switch to punch in record, IMHO)... continuing, when I record on 'punch-in' it records a NEW ARTEFACT, and this time it's a pulsating BUZZ in time with the built-in metronome - This buzzing is clearly audible on quiet loops or loops with a segment of silence in them, annoyingly so on headphones especially - And the buzzing occurs even if you have the volume on the metronome turned all the way down to zero (and there is no way of shutting off the metronome which flashes in time with the tempo whenever you are recording or playing a loop)... CLICKETY CLICK... BUZZ-ZZZ-ZZZ... I could see someone using the 2880 in a live performance setting if you're playing loud music and using electric instruments, but forget using it as an acoustic player in a studio setting (which is probably 75% of where I am going to be doing my looping, honestly, since I am not very good at getting gigs and consequently most of my music is amateur home recording)... My final question is this: Is there any recommendation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functioning foot controller, and no significant noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic instruments? A looper with a quiet foot pedal and no troublesome glitches or bugs to contend with? I guess I will have to forsake the desired feature of multiple loop tracks with individually tweakable pan and fader controls, since the 2880 has failed me and I don't want to buy a used Repeater and deal with it's own legendary quirks and bugs... do I have to spend $1000 on an EDP or $1500 on a Looperlative? (in which case, I'm too poor, forget it)... Somebody already praised the Boomerang, maybe I will check that one out (I was actually almost gonna buy the Rang, till I read about the 2880 and saw all the added features I could get on the 2880 compared to the Rang for the same price)... Which loopers have the most virtually silent foot pedal controllers, maybe if I start with that question, it will give me something to go on when I begin shopping for a replacement for the 2880 (at this point, even if the Mouser switches I have ordered can fix the footswitch noise, I'm still left with the buzzing issue which has nothing to do with the foot controller)... If I was smart to begin with, I would've found time to test this 2880 out THOROUGHLY before the 30-day return option expired... MY DUMB... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 07:39:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDF03BED8; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> References: <008201c6dabc$af00a640$0202fea9@mincer> <4305587a8d85eccd7639ed91991157f3@pfmentum.com> <450EF8DC.8050706@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <731227b869baf250d6e60f957864d4e4@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Hartung's rig... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:39:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:39:02 +0000 (UTC) http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Holy cow, Kris has gone MAX/MSP...!!!! :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 09:04:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 307D13BECC; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013a01c6e3a6$34dd9150$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:04:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2006 09:04:02.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[355E3300:01C6E3A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Maybe, are you looking for something like this ? http://www.bome.com/ Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? > Hi loopers, > > Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to pc > messages? To run on an intel mac.... > > thank ye! Zoe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 09:23:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB5EA3BECC; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:23:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2006 09:23:19.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6E9F120:01C6E3A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, that's the right link: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? > Hi loopers, > > Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to pc > messages? To run on an intel mac.... > > thank ye! Zoe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 09:40:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 643BD3BEDC; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bnYrjkKJ/HGFZOtaIJ3cEv7/XX2Kiny0GryFRdUSyAvQ/Kbd1VgnM7W0VJybYtDUMWvo4sJawOzLR/juXjb/cZnCaXHgwuBhCAUF0qcXfzh489wePsnvdH2xvaYd6buHMs26re8QtQfT3MB4lZqG5AyKODHq90qr2Kge5N7qrBM= In-Reply-To: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:40:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree with Fabio - although Zoe didn't tell what system she's running on that intel mac. Bome is cool if you first buy a Windows XP license and install it in a partition of its own (not "shared" because that's too louse for use in real-time audio work). If my memory serves me right here, Zoe, you are also using Ableton Live and that license will let you install either on OSX or Windows XP. Ableton looks and works almost the same, so if Bome is a need XP wold be a cool audio system for you (then you may also poke around in Mobius if you like...). Did you look around at http:// www.bigbluelounge.com - it's an OSX audio forum with many knowledgeable Mac audio nerds. Speaking OSX, I'm afraid I don't know about any such gadgets (MIDI note --> MIDI program change) yet converted for the intel processors. I was using Control Aid for Mac - http://www.charlie-roberts.com/ - but I see no message on Charlie's page that it should be UB compatible by now. This means the application will have to use the bad (for audio) workaround utility Rosetta to fit in with the intel processor OSX box. And Rosetta has proven way to lazy for real-time audio processing. per On 29 sep 2006, at 11.23, Fabio Anile wrote: > Sorry, that's the right link: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ > > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" > > To: > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM > Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? > > >> Hi loopers, >> Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to >> pc messages? To run on an intel mac.... >> thank ye! Zoe >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 11:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AB043BED8; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59CB5F1F-1BD9-4E4B-98DA-915D5382C35D@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:50:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:50:28 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > Hi loopers, > > Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to pc > messages? To run on an intel mac.... > > thank ye! ZoeZoe, This might work but I haven't actually used it so I'm not sure, it is UB for intel macs. It's called MIDI Pipe and can be found here at http:// homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ Here's the description: MidiPipe is freeware and comes with no warranties. MidiPipe can be useful in a music studio or live on stage to route, map, filter, convert, display, input and output MIDI messages in real-time. There is a forum here: http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/ viewtopic.php?t=14379&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Hope this is helpful! Best of luck! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 14:00:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C26823BEC1; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:59:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_14F6_01C6E39D.3F8306C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <5EBIbC.A.RvE.gbSHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:00:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_14F6_01C6E39D.3F8306C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, here's my official announcement...since Jeff stold my fire. :) = Don't worry, Jeff, I know you couldn't resist.=20 Well, I finally made the leap to MAX/MSP, and I now have a custom VST = host to replace Chainer and EnergyXT. Thanks to Jeff Kaiser and Stefan = Tiedje I was able to create a very clean and easy-to-use system for = looping performances. First, Jeff got me started with a basic VST host patch, which I modified = to be a 72 VST effect host (6 rows of 12 VST modules). In other words, = in one mouse click I am able to activate any of a set of 72 VST effects, = all of which I can see at the same time on my screen. Second, Stephan gave me some code to generate a nifty drop-down menu = system that allows me to select any of my VSTs on my hard drive and then = activate them on the fly. I placed that component after Mobius in the = signal chain, so that I can do some cool real-time, post-loop effect = processing of my loops (yup, I am treating those VSTs as instruments!). = I also have some mix faders to allow me fade in or out these post-loop = effects into the main mix. Finally, Jeff helped me make the host aesthetically appealing, adding = color, the ability to make the host full screen, ability to view my = processor utilization, hide wires, etc. I have a screenhot of the MAX/MSP VST host here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm (click on the MAX/MSP hyperlink) And the cool thing is that Mobius works perfectly inside the system, and = I didn't even have to add any MIDI control function in the VST. I just = opened Mobius as a standalone, setup MIDI, closed it, and then when I = opened it in MAX/MSP, everything was still controllable via my MIDI = controller. Next on the horizon is adding more features to the VST host, like = stacking and combining VSTs in various ways, but most importantly = building my own MAX/MSP effects (patches...not VST). This is where I'm = completely blown away by the power of MAX/MSP. I have already replaced = my VST delay with a MAX/MSP delay patch that runs much more = efficiently, but the sky is the limit here. I hope to create some of my = own custom effects soon. Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_14F6_01C6E39D.3F8306C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Okay, here's my official = announcement...since Jeff=20 stold my fire. :)  Don't worry, Jeff, I know you couldn't resist.=20
     
    Well, I finally made the leap to = MAX/MSP, and I now=20 have a custom VST host to replace Chainer and EnergyXT. Thanks to Jeff = Kaiser=20 and Stefan Tiedje I was able to create a very clean and easy-to-use = system=20 for looping performances.
     
    First, Jeff got me started with a basic = VST host=20 patch, which I modified to be a 72 VST effect host (6 rows of 12 VST = modules).=20 In other words, in one mouse click I am able to activate any of a = set of 72=20 VST effects, all of which I can see at the same time on my = screen.
     
    Second, Stephan gave me some code to = generate=20 a nifty drop-down menu system that allows me to select any of my = VSTs on my=20 hard drive and then activate them on the fly. I placed that component = after=20 Mobius in the signal chain, so that I can do some cool=20 real-time, post-loop effect processing of my loops (yup, I am = treating=20 those VSTs as instruments!). I also have some mix faders to allow me = fade in or=20 out these post-loop effects into the main mix.
     
    Finally, Jeff helped me make the host = aesthetically=20 appealing, adding color, the ability to make the host full screen, = ability to=20 view my processor utilization, hide wires, etc.
     
    I have a screenhot of the MAX/MSP VST = host here:=20 http://www.krispenhartung= .com/gear.htm (click=20 on the MAX/MSP hyperlink)
     
    And the cool thing is that Mobius works = perfectly=20 inside the system, and I didn't even have to add any MIDI control = function in=20 the VST. I just opened Mobius as a standalone, setup MIDI, closed it, = and then=20 when I opened it in MAX/MSP, everything was still controllable via my = MIDI=20 controller.
     
    Next on the horizon is adding more = features to the=20 VST host, like stacking and combining VSTs in various ways, but most = importantly=20 building my own MAX/MSP effects (patches...not VST). This is where I'm=20 completely blown away by the power of MAX/MSP.  I have already = replaced my=20 VST delay  with a MAX/MSP delay patch that runs much more = efficiently, but=20 the sky is the limit here. I hope to create some of my own custom = effects=20 soon.
     
    Cheers,
     
    Kris
     
    ****************************************************************= **********
    Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
    Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
    info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
    CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_14F6_01C6E39D.3F8306C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 14:25:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A60113BECF; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XYpHzK41q3/Un3WE2C2eTCiYU2oeQU8i49M+PVVO267fcY1zAlXtIpU6c0jwgp79+W1+r3Y6nBaNA/NGd0vMDefp6MkFbl6xMaKa2otCzcP6PeoxBidUq6DwKsFqfhqnyLF/QI18RXt2npou8iDnpexE/isk7STmHk57+z6JGqc= In-Reply-To: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:25:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Since you're now working with both Reaktor 5 and MAX/MSP, what's you're impression of the type of sound delivered by each application? Among Reaktor fans it's a popular argument against MAX/MSP that it should "sound too thin". However, personally I think I spend a lot of time thinning out my sound sources for layering into loops, so if it's true that "MAX sounds thing" it might just turn out a good thing for looping. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 15:27:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5FC3BEDE; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:27:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:27:22 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Since you're now working with both Reaktor 5 and MAX/MSP, what's you're > impression of the type of sound delivered by each application? Among > Reaktor fans it's a popular argument against MAX/MSP that it should > "sound too thin". However, personally I think I spend a lot of time > thinning out my sound sources for layering into loops, so if it's true > that "MAX sounds thing" it might just turn out a good thing for looping. > > per Excellent question and topic. There are probably several sorts of comparisons, so I'll include some cursory impressions that address your question and go beyond it. And sorry for this long-winded response, but this is a fascinating topic. First, I think the type of sounds that one gets from MAX/MSP and Reaktor is entirely dependent on what the programmer (patch or ensemble builder) does with the program. My guess is that if someone heard a MAX/MSP patch, and it sounded thin, it was because the patch builder designed it that way...because both apps have similar capabilities and flexibility in terms of modifying tone, building it, and so on, and both are tapping into the same audio architecture of the computer. So, if Reaktor folks are making an argument that MAX/MSP sounds thin, they are probably misunderstanding the architecture of the program and what on can do with it. I don't know what that would mean, actually. For example, when you open MAX/MSP, you have an blank slate....just the void with nothing but potential for the programmer. Maybe Reaktor folks are saying that the fundamental audio I/O architectures of MAX/MSP and Reaktor are different in terms of quality...I'm not sure how anyone would verify that. I suppose you could create a MAX/MSP patch and a Reaktor ensemble that had nothing but input and output, just passing the dry signal (white or pink noise, etc) through the system and soundcard...and then one would have to do an A/B test with a frequency analyzer. I don't know of anyone who has done that to make a legitimate argument. Second, I'm still understanding the depth and breadth of the community and patch resources available for MAX/MSP, by my impression thus far is that Reaktor users make it easier for everyone to access ensembles that are ready to roll right out of the "box" for music performance...this is via the Reaktor user library. I have seen this discussed in the MAX/MSP forum too...some folks seem to admit this but aren't that concerned about it. In other words, at the Reaktor library, you just download the ensembles to your ensemble library, and in most cases they are ready to use like VSTs; whereas with MAX/MSP, when you download a patch, you may have to do some additional programming to make it work in your custom interface. Granted, there are a lot of MAX/MSP user websites and even a central repository that provides access to many patches, but since MAX/MSP, almost like a computer programming interface (e.g. Visual Basic), can do much more than create music applications, you tend to find a lot of non-music performance related patches...versus what you find on Reakor, which is purely ensembles for music making. The flexibility and power of MAX/MSP can be a double-edged sword, depending on the expertise and confidence level of the user. For me, I am very intimidated right now by the capability of MAX/MSP, and I haven't got close to doing anything with Reaktor...I'm a leverager of other patches/ensembles and find that most of my needs are met by existing patches/ensembles out there. That being said, I will admit that the based on the patches I have tested so far from MAX/MSP and the ensembles I am using with Reaktor, the Reaktor patches I have are very complex and rich sounding...like Blackbird, which produces a really nice Eventide like sound with several octaves, delay, etc (quite amazing, in fact). Whereas the MAX/MSP patches I have heard so far, albeit very technical and precise in what they do, are more focused in their sound effecting. I think this is just based on my limited exposure, and I suppose if a MAX/MSP programmer were to build something that was similar to Blackbird, the matter would be settled, and we'd know that there is really no difference in terms of flexibility and capability between the two. My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my favorite patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. ...just the tip of the iceburg, and again this is all coming from a MAX/MSP/Reaktor neophyte. ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 15:45:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EDB63BEB6; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:45:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:45:41 +0000 (UTC) In Max this is very easily done. I don't have it, otherwise I'd have clicked the patch together for you. You don't need to have Max itself to run patches. There's a free Max "runner" application (called Maxplay) that you can use to run Max patches. However, I haven't used Max in a long time so I don't know if this is still true. Searches on the cycling74.com site only turn up rather old forum messages (http://www.cycling74.com/cgi-bin/ searchsite.pl?SearchText=maxplay) Bernhard On Sep 29, 2006, at 01:41 :01, Zoe Keating wrote: > Hi loopers, > > Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to pc > messages? To run on an intel mac.... > > thank ye! Zoe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 16:51:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C461E3BED0; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <79BFB229-30BA-451A-B5A1-489DF668398A@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:51:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: b301110e-4fda-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfa1UtCkV1 UkhJREJTEw9tABYB AFAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox11 JjkUETVlZWZia2gX HkFZfgIaIgBKfx5E agViUCVZMHgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYb e1BVXGdnAFEEQyQv PlQ6LRYZFV5ZF0Q+ MBMHXk4VewMVQjV1 V0RAGzRQKFQaEEIs X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) I thought Bome's was only for PC's? On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > Sorry, that's the right link: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ > > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" > > To: > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM > Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? > > >> Hi loopers, >> Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to >> pc messages? To run on an intel mac.... >> thank ye! Zoe >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B453BEE9; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:08:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:09:02 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Since you're now working with both Reaktor 5 and MAX/MSP, what's=20 > you're impression of the type of sound delivered by each application?=20= > Among Reaktor fans it's a popular argument against MAX/MSP that it=20 > should "sound too thin". However, personally I think I spend a lot of=20= > time thinning out my sound sources for layering into loops, so if it's=20= > true that "MAX sounds thing" it might just turn out a good thing for=20= > looping. You can make "thick" or "thin" in max/msp...you can do whatever you=20 want....it is all up to the creator. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1403BEDC; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rnTZvxXhdhlt/xsCI9gHfOSTXF7/vpKr/arJdJ/F3aPTCt/jhdJ292s5K2MNgU1FNM9ciSm/EK945IieJ9F9fs6xugAvnUraophwlczk8FvFVmyBvDbAT2f6GoivLE1t+VBj9l3Exc0aNRiB5E3f38dtSaVmbWdoo8yBxQK2RUU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:13:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:13:51 +0000 (UTC) > On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Since you're now working with both Reaktor 5 and MAX/MSP, what's >> you're impression of the type of sound delivered by each >> application? Among Reaktor fans it's a popular argument against >> MAX/MSP that it should "sound too thin". However, personally I >> think I spend a lot of time thinning out my sound sources for >> layering into loops, so if it's true that "MAX sounds thing" it >> might just turn out a good thing for looping. > On 29 sep 2006, at 19.08, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > You can make "thick" or "thin" in max/msp...you can do whatever you > want....it is all up to the creator. "The Creator has a master plan: peace and happiness for everyone" (Pharoa Sanders) per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BDE43BEDC; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:16:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:16:06 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > "The Creator has a master plan: max and msp for everyone" (Pharoa=20 > Sanders) !!! (Ok, a little editing) :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:30:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEA243BEDF; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LfMbt580errXVO7EfAA2LO/6GTluhJJ1B7PFBMnKji8Wmx8dKLYUy18cHjgJl/h1eFbC/NOT3Xnj3kyUoPv8CupYccCUrzMJV7qgzNBIkr1W30+WESvZL8YWuhiVh7Edc1FIDX9sKB0v0ZmkxkLGyxx9Di1OYdbcbZDj4g4BKes= ; Message-ID: <20060929173011.23054.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: random effects To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1666354517-1159551011=:21928" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2dUre.A.5XD.mgVHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1666354517-1159551011=:21928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1666354517-1159551011=:21928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette.  And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting?
     
    Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit.
     
     
    ted h.
     


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Mail. --0-1666354517-1159551011=:21928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:21:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98FD43BED2; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: kaMTUqxM5w0U0iblXsOOdkJsTsBuLHJjnHD866mCPOk= X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <000a01c6e3f4$22c29260$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <20060929173011.23054.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: random effects Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:21:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:21:55 +0000 (UTC) lazy ? bored? impotent? genius? Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "ditch wrestler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: OT: random effects I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:31:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EACC83BEDA; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:31:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: c7c28549-4fe8-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfa1UtCkV1 UkhJREJTHQ9rABYE AlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox11 JjcyVCl0ZWBmbWcW HkJRcQsaIwQZfBdA blliUCVYaXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYb e1BVXGdnAFEEQyQv PlQ6LRYZFV5ZF0Q+ MBMHXk4VewMVQjV1 V0RAGzRQKFQaEEIs X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:31:54 +0000 (UTC) WAAHHH WWIINDOOWSSSS NNNOOOO!!! Whoa, sorry there, I was overcome, and Per and Fabio thanks for your thoughtful responses! I have a desktop Mac with Windows installed that I use for QA testing (non-music related). I just can't stand it. There's GOT to be another way (I like Bernard's suggestion of a Max patch). But I'll keep this in mind though for a last resort. I've got to go to lie down, my heart rate went right up... On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, I agree with Fabio - although Zoe didn't tell what system > she's running on that intel mac. Bome is cool if you first buy a > Windows XP license and install it in a partition of its own (not > "shared" because that's too louse for use in real-time audio work). > If my memory serves me right here, Zoe, you are also using Ableton > Live and that license will let you install either on OSX or Windows > XP. Ableton looks and works almost the same, so if Bome is a need > XP wold be a cool audio system for you (then you may also poke > around in Mobius if you like...). Did you look around at http:// > www.bigbluelounge.com - it's an OSX audio forum with many > knowledgeable Mac audio nerds. > > Speaking OSX, I'm afraid I don't know about any such gadgets (MIDI > note --> MIDI program change) yet converted for the intel > processors. I was using Control Aid for Mac - http://www.charlie- > roberts.com/ - but I see no message on Charlie's page that it > should be UB compatible by now. This means the application will > have to use the bad (for audio) workaround utility Rosetta to fit > in with the intel processor OSX box. And Rosetta has proven way to > lazy for real-time audio processing. > > per > > > On 29 sep 2006, at 11.23, Fabio Anile wrote: > >> Sorry, that's the right link: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ >> >> Fabio >> http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM >> Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? >> >> >>> Hi loopers, >>> Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to >>> pc messages? To run on an intel mac.... >>> thank ye! Zoe >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:32:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560553BEF1; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3814.69.59.206.219.1159554763.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:32:44 +0000 (UTC) >> On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > "The Creator has a master plan: peace and happiness for > everyone" (Pharoa Sanders) > > per ;-) > I was in a band once that did a tribute to that tune called "The Creator has a Mastercard" Other tunes included "Kinds of Glue" and "In a Violent Way". What can I say, we were (hell, still are) nerds... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:39:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DFA53BEE7; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15db01c6e3f6$88c66080$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> <3814.69.59.206.219.1159554763.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:39:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Can't forget "My Funky Valentine", "The Girl with Emphysema", and "Black Orifice"...some of my favorite tunes to play on Monday nights. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... >>> On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> "The Creator has a master plan: peace and happiness for >> everyone" (Pharoa Sanders) >> >> per ;-) >> > I was in a band once that did a tribute to that tune called "The Creator > has a Mastercard" > > Other tunes included "Kinds of Glue" and "In a Violent Way". > > What can I say, we were (hell, still are) nerds... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 19:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9E943BEC5; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... thread-index: Acbj6f+uR+6qcq02TniZSvVuOfkQ/QAC9qeQ From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Kaiser > You can make "thick" or "thin" in max/msp...you can do whatever you=20 > want....it is all up to the creator. Is the debate perhaps over the sound of some of the fundamental components like oscillators, envelope generators, and filters? Not all filter algorithms sound the same though on the surface they may all be "low pass filters". That's why we have a bazillion analog modeling synth plugins even though architecturally they're all very similar. In my brief experience with Max, it appears that you're given a set of very fundamental building blocks that you can combine in complex ways, but if you need a new block, you're writing an "external" in C code. True you can "do whatever you want" but the leap from drawing a patch to programming in C is huge. So if you're not a C programmer and don't like the sound of the objects available on the various Max forums you're stuck, no? This is not a criticism of Max, I own it and look forward to working more with it. But as a software developer I've had vendors trying to sell me things "limited only by my imagination" for years. Heck, I've even written a few :-) There are always limitations,=20 or at least a point you reach where going beyond it just takes too much work. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 20:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 472EC3BEE0; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:36:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-BJheB.A.0wB.TPYHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:36:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 21:12 :46, Jeff Larson wrote: > > In my brief experience with Max, it appears that you're given a set of > very fundamental building blocks that you can combine in complex ways, > but if you need a new block, you're writing an "external" in C code. > True you can "do whatever you want" but the leap from drawing a patch > to programming in C is huge. So if you're not a C programmer and > don't > like the sound of the objects available on the various Max forums > you're stuck, no? > Max allows you to build patchers ("objects") yourself by combining existing ones. Your own patchers link into the authoring system just like the pre-existing ones. You can go a long way before you need to hack externals in C. Many of the patchers within Max are actually compositions of more basic components. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 20:36:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23AD63BEE1; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220069529203631953@bigvalley.net> X-Priority: 3 From: "twglabmotories research facility" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:36:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Christ I nearly shot my soda outta my nose when i read "In A Violent Way"=2E That was great, hey Miles was a freakin' boxer, your not to far outta line! LOL ---- Original Message ---- From: improv@peak=2Eorg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete=2E=2E=2E Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) >>> On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> "The Creator has a master plan: peace and happiness for >> everyone" (Pharoa Sanders) >> >> per ;-) >> >I was in a band once that did a tribute to that tune called "The >Creator >has a Mastercard" > >Other tunes included "Kinds of Glue" and "In a Violent Way"=2E > >What can I say, we were (hell, still are) nerds=2E=2E=2E > > = Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditio= nal dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 23:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475703BED8; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <01488F65-7591-4075-9E74-D9850251B6A6@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:31:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi Zoe - Maybe MIDIPipe will work for you: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/16154 Among other things, you can trigger applescripts that can interact =20 with System Events. applescript can introduce some latency, but not =20 too bad on intel macs :-) Below I've included an example of a script to trigger events in Live. Cheers, Craig -------------------------------------------- -- convert midi notes into Live compatible keyboard strokes, created =20 by dbudde on runme(message) tell application "System Events" tell process "Live" set frontmost to true end tell =09 -- Space bar - play stop toggle (note =3D 0) if (item 1 of message =3D 176) and (item 2 of message =3D = 79) then tell =20 process "Live" keystroke space end tell =09 -- Clip record/play (control change =3D 70) if (item 1 of message =3D 176) and (item 2 of message =3D = 70) and (item =20 3 of message =3D 127) then tell process "Live" keystroke return end tell =09 -- Clip play/next/record (control change =3D 70 off) if (item 1 of message =3D 176) and (item 2 of message =3D = 70) and (item =20 3 of message =3D 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke return keystroke =ABdata utxt001D=BB -- right keystroke return end tell =09 -- clip left (note =3D 2) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 2) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke =ABdata utxt001C=BB -- left end tell =09 -- clip down (note =3D 3) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 3) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke =ABdata utxt001F=BB -- down end tell =09 -- clip right (note =3D 4) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 4) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke =ABdata utxt001D=BB -- right end tell =09 -- clip delete (note =3D 6) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 6) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke "h" using control down -- delete end tell =09 -- undo (note =3D 7) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 7) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke "z" using command down end tell =09 -- clip up (note =3D 8) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 8) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke =ABdata utxt001E=BB -- up end tell =09 -- Reset (note =3D 9) if (item 1 of message =3D 144) and (item 2 of message =3D = 9) and (item =20 3 of message > 0) then tell process "Live" keystroke "a" using command down -- select all keystroke "h" using control down -- delete all keystroke =ABdata utxt001C=BB -- go to = top-leftmost clip end tell =09 end tell end runme On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > WAAHHH WWIINDOOWSSSS NNNOOOO!!! > > Whoa, sorry there, I was overcome, and Per and Fabio thanks for =20 > your thoughtful responses! > > I have a desktop Mac with Windows installed that I use for QA =20 > testing (non-music related). I just can't stand it. > > There's GOT to be another way (I like Bernard's suggestion of a Max =20= > patch). But I'll keep this in mind though for a last resort. > > I've got to go to lie down, my heart rate went right up... > > > > On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Yes, I agree with Fabio - although Zoe didn't tell what system =20 >> she's running on that intel mac. Bome is cool if you first buy a =20 >> Windows XP license and install it in a partition of its own (not =20 >> "shared" because that's too louse for use in real-time audio =20 >> work). If my memory serves me right here, Zoe, you are also using =20 >> Ableton Live and that license will let you install either on OSX =20 >> or Windows XP. Ableton looks and works almost the same, so if Bome =20= >> is a need XP wold be a cool audio system for you (then you may =20 >> also poke around in Mobius if you like...). Did you look around at =20= >> http://www.bigbluelounge.com - it's an OSX audio forum with many =20 >> knowledgeable Mac audio nerds. >> >> Speaking OSX, I'm afraid I don't know about any such gadgets (MIDI =20= >> note --> MIDI program change) yet converted for the intel =20 >> processors. I was using Control Aid for Mac - http://www.charlie-=20 >> roberts.com/ - but I see no message on Charlie's page that it =20 >> should be UB compatible by now. This means the application will =20 >> have to use the bad (for audio) workaround utility Rosetta to fit =20 >> in with the intel processor OSX box. And Rosetta has proven way to =20= >> lazy for real-time audio processing. >> >> per >> >> >> On 29 sep 2006, at 11.23, Fabio Anile wrote: >> >>> Sorry, that's the right link: http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/ >>> >>> Fabio >>> http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" =20 >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:41 AM >>> Subject: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? >>> >>> >>>> Hi loopers, >>>> Anyone know of a good software utility for mapping midi notes to =20= >>>> pc messages? To run on an intel mac.... >>>> thank ye! Zoe >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 01:24:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A3B3BED8; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:26:21 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: random effects To: ditch wrestler , Loopers Delight Message-id: <003401c6e42f$75a6cf60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WmMmWpCruU0uVV1Pv54gbw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060929173011.23054.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:24:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WmMmWpCruU0uVV1Pv54gbw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you're willing to do the programming work, you can get many multi-fx units to generate quasi-random fx. My experience is with the Boss GT-3, and any of the GT series of pedals are capable of pretty chaotic/random sounds. Many low-frequency waves (sine, square, or pulse on-off) can be assigned to different effects, and if you get three or four of these at asynchronous rates, you'll get some real chaos going. I have a Zappaesque "Ship Ahoy!" patch, a talking robot patch, a random delay patch (sometimes on, sometimes off, sometimes fast, sometimes slow, and when the delay changes speed it glitches nicely) and many patches with slow sine or square panning so I don't know where the sound will come out when I first start playing. Go to my web site, buy my CD, and you'll hear some nice chaos along with some really disciplined stuff. Yeah, I'm Fripp AND Belew in one good-looking body. And humble. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: ditch wrestler To: Loopers Delight Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: OT: random effects I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_WmMmWpCruU0uVV1Pv54gbw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
    If you're willing to do the programming work, you = can get many=20 multi-fx units to generate quasi-random fx. My experience is with the = Boss GT-3,=20 and any of the GT series of pedals are capable of pretty chaotic/random = sounds.=20 Many low-frequency waves (sine, square, or pulse on-off) can be assigned = to=20 different effects, and if you get three or four of these at asynchronous = rates,=20 you'll get some real chaos going. I have a Zappaesque "Ship Ahoy!" = patch, a=20 talking robot patch, a random delay patch (sometimes on, sometimes off,=20 sometimes fast, sometimes slow, and when the delay changes speed it = glitches=20 nicely) and many patches with slow sine or square panning so I don't = know where=20 the sound will come out when I first start playing.
     
    Go to my web site, buy my CD, and you'll hear some = nice chaos=20 along with some really disciplined stuff. Yeah, I'm Fripp AND Belew in = one=20 good-looking body. And humble.
     
    Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
    www.thecoyote.org
    coyotelk@optonline.net    <= /DIV>
     
    "Life! Life!
    Clouds and clowns!
    You don't have = to come=20 down!"
    - Sly and the Family Stone
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 ditch=20 wrestler
    To: Loopers = Delight
    Sent: Friday, September 29, = 2006 1:30=20 PM
    Subject: OT: random = effects

    I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 = but I'm=20 wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette.  = And=20 rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle = with=20 knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if=20 there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a = random=20 setting?
     
    Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably = adept=20 circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or = somesuch unit.
     
     
    ted h.
     


    "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should = have a=20 beginning, middle, and an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." = Jean Luc=20 Goddard

    Do you Yahoo!?
    Everyone is raving about the all-new=20 Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_WmMmWpCruU0uVV1Pv54gbw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 01:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B973BECF; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8aa3e14597f63c2ff135709b3a12623d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:43:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:43:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm able to build very complex "abstractions" with the provided objects=20= and avoid third party externals or coding them myself....so far....but=20= I do use VSTs as well....I think it will be a long time, if ever, till=20= I find the need to write my own object in C.....the provided objects=20 range from very simple (addition, subtraction) to very complex=20 fft.....fundamental to not so fundamental at all..... >> >> In my brief experience with Max, it appears that you're given a set = of >> very fundamental building blocks that you can combine in complex = ways, >> but if you need a new block, you're writing an "external" in C code. >> True you can "do whatever you want" but the leap from drawing a patch >> to programming in C is huge. So if you're not a C programmer and=20 >> don't >> like the sound of the objects available on the various Max forums >> you're stuck, no? Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 03:11:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B6A3BEC1; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: The PiNG presents SONiC TAPESTRiES Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:12:10 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c6e43e$38a0b7c0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:11:06 +0000 (UTC) The PiNG presents SONiC TAPESTRiES as part of NUiT BLANCHE @ THE TEXTILE MUSEUM OF CANADA Saturday September 30th . 7pm - 1am Textile Museum of Canada . 55 Centre Avenue South of Dundas . East of University Join us as we turn the Textile Museum into an evolving musical space as PiNG artists unravel their sonic tapestries inspired by the museum's unique environment. As you journey through the physical space, you will also pass through a live improvised soundscape inspired by the surrounding textile art. PiNGer's like Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats, Solipsystem, Salvagesound, NOiNO), Rich Baker (ARC, Mnemosyne), Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, URM, NOiNO, SADU), rik maclean (mara's torment, metro starman), Alan Bloor (Knurl, Pholde), Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja), Ben Grossman, Jim Field (Spacenoiz, Rhea's Obsession), James Bailey (Odradek, Six Heads, NOiNO), Eric Siegerman and Phil Ogison (The Devil in the Design, Subduction Current, Psychosomatic Climax Machine) will be moving about and performing together throughout the gallery spaces. In addition to the roving minstrels resonating in the galleries, there will be LiVE PAs set-up to feature the following group performances: 7pm . m - arc - ur (featuring ARC & URM +) 8pm . mara's torment 10pm . B - O - P (featuring Aidan Baker, Phil Ogison & Matthew Poulakakis +) 11pm . NOiNO and Pholde Illuminating the performers with their special brand of eye candy will be General Chaos Visuals. Experience the Textile Museum as never before when the gallery space is filled with PiNG space for the first half of Nuit Blanche. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON to PiNG RADiO: the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES AMBiENT PiNG RADiO is thrilled to announce the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES, a new show where we'll be playing exclusive, unreleased material by some of our closest friends in the ambient community. Tune in on Monday nights at 9PM EST to hear live performances, works in progress, exclusive remixes and more! October 2nd . Pholde and NOiNO October 9th . Salvagesound October 16th . Psychosomatic Climax Machine October 23rd . URM October 30th . mara's torment November 6th . dreamSTATE with Wally Jericho November 13th . Numina November 20th . NAW November 27th . Geek Weekend All shows begin at 9PM EST. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES: Another way that the AMBiENT PiNG is bringing great music to you! http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . More PiNG news and more PiNG shows are coming soon. Watch this space to stay tuned. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 03:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D697F3BECF; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:19:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_rLuxC.A.zAC.iJeHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:20:02 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Max allows you to build patchers ("objects") yourself by combining > existing ones. Your own patchers link into the authoring system just > like the pre-existing ones. You can go a long way before you need to > hack externals in C. Yes I understand. My point is that you are ultimately limited by the Max intrinsic objects. In the case of filters, my "MSP Filters" menu shows 14 objects: allPass~, biquad~, etc. I'm certain there are people on this list that know more about DSP than I do, can we say for certain that with these 14 objects we can exactly emulate the filters on something like an Access Virus? I don't mean just close, I mean near sample accurate emulation? Is there one and only one possible implementation of hilbert~ ? This is just one example of the algorithms that define "the sound" of a particular device or program. Why do people prefer the sound of the Virus over the Nord or Novation? In the case of Max vs. Reaktor, maybe it just takes a lot of work with hilbert~, phaseshift~, and comb~ to get the same "warmth" as some Reaktor patches. I don't know, but what I'm wondering is if these fundamental algorithms color the sound enough so that people can tell the difference between the "Max sound" and the "Reaktor sound". Maybe it is simply a matter of Reaktor having a better default object library that sounds warmer without a lot of tweaking. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 03:22:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB643BEDC; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:22:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <380-220069529203631953@bigvalley.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:22:15 +0000 (UTC) How about, "Miles Guns the Shooter down" I'm sorry.. I take responsibility for that. Bill -----Original Message----- From: twglabmotories research facility [mailto:twglabmotories@bigvalley.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Christ I nearly shot my soda outta my nose when i read "In A Violent Way". That was great, hey Miles was a freakin' boxer, your not to far outta line! LOL ---- Original Message ---- From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) >>> On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> "The Creator has a master plan: peace and happiness for >> everyone" (Pharoa Sanders) >> >> per ;-) >> >I was in a band once that did a tribute to that tune called "The >Creator >has a Mastercard" > >Other tunes included "Kinds of Glue" and "In a Violent Way". > >What can I say, we were (hell, still are) nerds... > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 03:35:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 715393BEE0; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <417B3716-FC7D-4137-B415-317275321D8F@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:35:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:35:18 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 10:22 PM, William Walker wrote: > How about, > "Miles Guns the Shooter down" So What Bitch Freddie the Freebaser Fuck That Dream It Never Entered My Colon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 06:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4DA73BED5; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01488F65-7591-4075-9E74-D9850251B6A6@craigmccollough.com> References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> <01488F65-7591-4075-9E74-D9850251B6A6@craigmccollough.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B527C97-189D-4C1B-A441-F0635E6CBE84@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:14:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 0286e921-504b-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEteYlUtCkV1 UkhJREJSEw9pBBYB BVAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox11 J0giFCplZW5hYWce HkJZfgAacAFCeEpM aFFiUXMJM3gGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYb e1BVXGdnAFEEQyQv PlQ6LRYZFV5ZF0Q+ MBMHXk4VewMVQjV1 V0RAGzRQKFQaEEIs X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, In case anyone else stumbles across this and needs help: MidiPipe worked for me. Took me a little bit to understand how to setup the routing inside MidiPipe and also out of Live (Midi In= MidiPipe Input1; Midi Out=Motu) Also, figuring out what exactly gets converted out of Ableton Live (MidiMonitor saved the day, so I could watch all the messages going by) This tripped me up (although maybe tis obvious to the midiwizards on the list)... I assumed that Note numbers would get converted, so that if I want to get PC 100, I would send E7 (#100). But no, it's the Note velocity, the number doesn't matter. So to get PC 100 I have a midi clip in Live sending any note with a velocity of 100. Kinda makes sense now that I think of it....I think... Off to control things...I can't believe I never paid attention to applescripts before...now I'm thinking about all kinds of things. I'll try opening and closing files first. Thanks for the help, Zoe On Sep 29, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Craig McCollough wrote: > Hi Zoe - > > Maybe MIDIPipe will work for you: > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/16154 > > Among other things, you can trigger applescripts that can interact > with System Events. applescript can introduce some latency, but not > too bad on intel macs :-) > > Below I've included an example of a script to trigger events in Live. > > Cheers, > Craig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 06:19:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F973BED8; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K6 participation Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <01dd01c6e280$12c88420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:19:58 +0000 (UTC) A few things I needed to ask you regarding the Festival (not found on the web site) 1. which of the events will need our collective P.A gear? 2. Between us, we have two complete rigs, with a single monitor each. If you count your big mackies as one rig, My big mackies as one rig, and my small mackies as monitors. i personally don't like the no monitors approach we used the last time we played at Michaels Studio a few months back. I felt disconnected from the music because I didn't have a monitor, and I think we should make a point of having at least 1 monitor per stage and maybe two if we can scrounge up a couple more powered monitors. Do you have any ideas about that? 3. Lastly have you given much thought to transportation to the remote gigs, and how you will be needing me and my truck. I'd like to be free from duties thursday night, Though If you needed to borrow my truck gor gear I think I'd be OK about that. its just that, though I'm not teaching that week, there is no way I can get out of my work shifts, and if I play Wednesday night and Friday night, and I drive up to SF thursday night, I'm thinking I might be pretty overwhelmed, seeing as I'm going to have to get up bright and early Saturday Morning to get the PA equipment set up at Micheals. It would be much more ideal to get the PA stuff up friday afternoon, but that would be contingent on whether or not we would need to haul the stuff up to Oakland, Friday Night. Last year as you recall, I spent most of Friday afternoon and evening prepping michaels studio for the festival, pretty much by myself. I'm wondering if you have thought about when that chore might happen and if it would fall on me again, or if I'll be able to get assistance. The Devil is, as they say, in the details,and as overwhelmed as you are, i just want you to know that I'm willing to help, but I'd like as much clarity as you can give me on what you will need of me. Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it, thanks for all the hard work Love Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 07:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAFD73BEDC; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <5c69610e9c1d129e8795eb297610397f@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:16:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <0DN-pC.A.7OC.2mhHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > I don't know, but what I'm wondering is if these fundamental=20 > algorithms color > the sound enough so that people can tell the difference between > the "Max sound" and the "Reaktor sound". Maybe it is simply a matter > of Reaktor having a better default object library that sounds warmer > without a lot of tweaking. It seems to me that Reaktor is easier to use right out of the box (a=20 higher level language) than max....a great community with downloadable=20= ensembles et al...it is fantastic. max's community is curmudgeonly and=20= prone to anger (lower level language)...but provides a transparency=20 when it come to creating your own sound...max is also fantastic. "better" default object library is determined by what you mean by=20 "better".... I personally consider "transparent" better.... (transparent for me =3D=20= when the source of creation is not visible/apparent in the=20 presentation) Want "thicker" or "warmer"...? Turn up the "thicker" or "warmer"=20 knob....define those characteristics and they can be added in Reaktor=20 or Max or VST chainer or Bidule or whatever, I'm sure....... In fact, I'm going to go work on my "thicker and warmer" VST right=20 now......two knobs, that is it.....I'm sure people will beat down my=20 door to buy it. :-) Cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 08:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B38F3BED2; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:11:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <451E26B7.4050208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <9dzz5B.A.hHE.kbiHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:12:21 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 30 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 08:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC863BEE2; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "CV" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:29:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: random effects Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <451E38EF.18352.13B53A@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000a01c6e3f4$22c29260$4001a8c0@mini> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:29:27 +0000 (UTC) > knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is > a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? Intriguing question - a quick google brings up the following http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/XoticRobotalk.html http://www.zzounds.com/item--KORAX3000G and there's the adrenalinn, which *sounds* random sometimes! http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/adrenalinn2.shtml Cheapest option these days would be the airFX, which by it's very nature is random, although that's down to the human element. They are *great fun* and cheap. I have one in my chain both for looping and in my covers band - as I'm playing, out singer waves her hands over it for crazy sounds. http://www.dv247.com/invt/2345/ All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 08:53:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7053BED5; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACjLHUWBToosAgIHBAoHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060930093731.01c9c580@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:53:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... In-Reply-To: <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:53:30 +0000 (UTC) >I'm certain there are people on this list that know more about >DSP than I do, can we say for certain that with these 14 objects >we can exactly emulate the filters on something like an Access Virus? >I don't mean just close, I mean near sample accurate emulation? It's very unlikely that you can emulate a particular filter with those 14 objects. The limitations of doing dsp filters at a limited sample rate are fairly profound. ...but if you're willing to spend the cash on a particular vst filter, or are a dsp programming expert who understands the filter maths then MAX could (I expect) sound close enough to any other software setup. Just because it's "possible in max" doesn't necessarily mean that anybody would take the time/expense to accomplish it, especially if there's an easier way to do it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 09:22:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1293BEE0; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <001901c6e471$f5540740$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Severed HEads Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:22:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6E482.B6163D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:22:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6E482.B6163D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my neverending quest to give these guys the fame they deserved, heres = a clip from Severd Heads, a bit of looping mentioned, but mostely for = the video synth clips that have been discussed recently... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMX0goKMpB4Y&eurl=3D mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6E482.B6163D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In my neverending quest to give these = guys the fame=20 they deserved, heres a clip from Severd Heads, a bit of looping = mentioned,=20 but mostely for the video synth clips that have been discussed=20 recently...
     
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:54:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3YKkAC.A.-hH.r7jHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:54:51 +0000 (UTC) As someone who has worked quite a bit in both these apps, I can say that = although there is no difference in the capabilities or the sound quality = of=20 both, there is a MASSIVE (please imagine font size 72) difference in = "what=20 one actually DOES with them!" Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. think = up=20 a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and construct the = tool=20 for the job. This could be processing a string quartet by "applying"=20 algorithms based on Moterhead samples for quadraphonic playback, or = slicing=20 drumloops into 256 pieces where each slice is randomly pitched and = panned=20 based on the skin resistance of a sleeping child. WHEREAS: Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible = environment/tool=20 (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future musical plans, and = will=20 therefore be more complex and varied, and will probably see more use as = a=20 personal tool, past the one off performance thingy that Max would = make... Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make = you=20 think of Concepts. Therefore ones Max patch tends to be minimal=20 "experiments" and ones Reactor Patches tend to be=20 full-on-floor-stomping-aspirin-chewing-noisy-nighmares... My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the = living=20 blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead cells=20 cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are not = there,=20 and you dont talk much to them when they are there... evil... = dark....and=20 grim....and my personal favorites... audio much and synthedit.... are = both=20 just slightly less dangerous than heroin. Just say NO... just mho mark francombe (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is = now=20 rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/live type=20 people... beware, here speaks the words of truth from a recovering = addict,=20 now sit down relax and dream of those enigmatic metal boxes with = flashing=20 lights and real cables... racks... and now when you are completely = relaxed=20 ask yourself this question, "am I using a laptop cos its easier to get = to=20 gigs?") marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com > Max allows you to build patchers ("objects") yourself by combining=20 > existing ones. Your own patchers link into the authoring system just = like=20 > the pre-existing ones. You can go a long way before you need to hack=20 > externals in C. > > Many of the patchers within Max are actually compositions of more = basic=20 > components. > > Bernhard >=20 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1322 spam emails to date. 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Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 12:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDF3D3BEDE; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: random effects Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:08:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060929173011.23054.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: Acbj7O1SjNVJ2ZbAQGeQAL2PzVpoywAnClsw Resent-Message-ID: <49v86D.A.P_D.M5lHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Nord Modular series > I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. > And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if > > there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 12:52:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B9563BEDE; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fTV2lEhSC8MGYM2N6OKdGPShTUaPeZqaKnccGwvtm1uEZC7QBJ1X75rhbQU9D+hwD0JR6HxnCMURxJiNQHjoXOTJR1WtJAHTmDWuUp0Oh6UgmANVyZnHOEbGiT4mttnFPIngaB4CXcBdUwZWtXUV9DV8w0EYJn4BfyP/PE8967A= In-Reply-To: <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65AB37DC-49DE-43AE-804E-4C860BD379DC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:09:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:52:32 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2006, at 11.54, markfrancombe.com wrote: > mark francombe > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and > is now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/ > live type people... Thanks for a refreshing post! You're right on the spot: computers may indeed hurt your health... but so may also cello bow playing of electric guitars ;-) I would just like to add a note on "Mobius": I have chosen to use it for the same reason I chose a flute (before more technically complex instruments like for example a guitar): I simply pick it up and play it. It's you and the music - no need for tedious adjusting of parameters or replacing strings that lost intonation etc. But as with all instruments you need to take some serious time off to set it up musically, but once that's done you're flying. The dangerous trap is that you can be fooled to think that because the looper lives inside a computer you have to set up this looping rig according to some technical specifications, when you should rather let your musical aspirations call for the chosen feature set- up. I kind of agree with Andy that you really don't have to do something just "because it's possible". Music is about expression and communication and those areas must be kept for things to get started, no matter available CPU power or number of plug-ins ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 13:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBFC33BEC5; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Jz/y0m4rUzPwMrz3OWMVa5dxTtBdCKzEML8+L+9nwdN9myA48iyxwHUHWUBqWKbTfs079L8tUF/x0XNpCizXRbP+vVLVFggbW4vg3mlXKYMQdbRWJxRXn5+T3zXJm/Zy1w1XawPlcysstOAEKpXWrslXXcC+nnxTIyAJW4OkB6U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: random effects Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:02:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:02:05 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but >> I'm > wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. > And > rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle > with knobs > whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if > >> there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random >> setting? On 30 sep 2006, at 14.08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Nord Modular series They are also good for Generative Music, I've heard. A rack effect box I own has a bunch of LFO's with the option of a "random" control waveform. The tc electronix fireworx. This Fireworx is like MAX or Numerology in the sense that you have about forty standard effects that you can route in series, in parallel or route them to modulate each other. One or two "random" modulators in a patch usually makes it come alive (warning: the default custom patches in that box is a bit lame... not representative for what it is capable of). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 13:20:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B103BEDC; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17b501c6e493$4104b1f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:20:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "markfrancombe.com" > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. Just say NO... I love this.....I say sheepishly. :) It is addicitve...what saves me from the abyss is a corporate day job and my twin 16 month year olds, otherwise I'd be a shrivelled up shell (not a posix shell, mind you) of a human being. > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/live type people... beware, here speaks the words of truth from a recovering addict, now sit down relax and dream of those enigmatic metal boxes with flashing lights and real cables... racks... and now when you are completely relaxed ask yourself this question, "am I using a laptop cos its easier to get to gigs?") Good for you, Mark. In another year, I expect you to be living in the rain forest, playing bambo flutes, goatskin drums, and curing shrunken heads to make the day go by faster...heh heh. Speaking of metal boxes, though, I have the new Boss RC-2 on order and will bring it to Y2K6 as a backup looper...not that I'll need it, but it's a great pocket looping toy. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 18:52:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 041373BEDC; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mSmUflbllCjtagQL5h66LlFVy9OKeoqAd8KVEXODR7dwCCKFsI2MWjho3ZVsqS6OMaENiWiLuupJdO8YvMuW8F7+ULdW5Kr208K7fvZ/8jg036Fwf/SDqMKdPfN+N+MjmJNTL01n9smgVFXL2c5ZQQoBJP4pGuAMC3mpLCbBbcY= ; Message-ID: <20060930185241.20599.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: random effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e3f4$22c29260$4001a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2016965116-1159642361=:20569" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:52:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-2016965116-1159642361=:20569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes. ted h. CV wrote: lazy ? bored? impotent? genius? Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "ditch wrestler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: OT: random effects I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. And rather than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects unit on the market that has a random setting? Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-2016965116-1159642361=:20569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Yes.
     
     
    ted h.


    CV <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
    lazy ? bored? impotent? genius?

    Claude

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "ditch wrestler"
    To: "Loopers Delight"
    Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:30 PM
    Subject: OT: random effects


    I'm liking the goofing around I'm doing with my rc20xl and dl4 but I'm
    wanting to work other effects in to broaden the sonic pallette. And rather
    than having to amass a bunch of effects and then twiddle with knobs whilst
    playing, I'm wondering if anybody here knows if there is a multi-effects
    unit on the market that has a random setting?

    Failing that, maybe somebody can refer me to a reasonably adept
    circuit-bender that could re-purpose a zoom or somesuch unit.


    ted h.



    "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and
    an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

    ---------------------------------
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    Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.





    "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

    Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-2016965116-1159642361=:20569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 19:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE9573BEDA; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:17:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:17:29 +0000 (UTC) I love this post. Absolutely delightful to read. I think the reason you are "now rosy=20 cheeked and losing weight"....is probably from carrying heavy gear to=20 gigs? :-) I think you are off-base in your description of differences, though.=20 You describe one possibility with max: performance oriented patch. but=20= you can also do other things.... > Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make=20= > you think of Concepts. Musicians can think music or concepts with either package....I'm=20 thinking of music when patching in max....I know others do it as=20 well..... > Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in..=20 > think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and=20 > construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string=20 > quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for=20 > quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each=20= > slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a=20= > sleeping child. That is certainly one possibility, and one that I would like to=20 see/hear!!!! But you can also do other things...like create a vst host=20= that works like YOU want it to..... Krispen, chime in here....! > Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible=20 > environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future=20 > musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will=20= > probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance=20= > thingy that Max would make... Reaktor can run inside of max...best of both worlds, if you want them. My goal with my software instrument was to make a replacement for my=20 150 plus pounds of pedals and hardware. Done. In max. Flexible environment/tool created. Easy to upgrade/modify=20= in the future. And it does more than those pedals. I just wish Mobius was ported to mac.....that would be awesome.... > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the=20= > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead=20= > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are=20= > not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there...=20 > evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much=20 > and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin.=20= > Just say NO... love it! :-) best, Jeff On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:54 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: > As someone who has worked quite a bit in both these apps, I can say=20 > that although there is no difference in the capabilities or the sound=20= > quality of both, there is a MASSIVE (please imagine font size 72)=20 > difference in "what one actually DOES with them!" > > Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in..=20 > think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and=20 > construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string=20 > quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for=20 > quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each=20= > slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a=20= > sleeping child. > WHEREAS: > Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible=20 > environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future=20 > musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will=20= > probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance=20= > thingy that Max would make... > > Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make=20= > you think of Concepts. Therefore ones Max patch tends to be minimal=20 > "experiments" and ones Reactor Patches tend to be=20 > full-on-floor-stomping-aspirin-chewing-noisy-nighmares... > > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the=20= > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead=20= > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are=20= > not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there...=20 > evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much=20 > and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin.=20= > Just say NO... > > just mho > > mark francombe > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is=20= > now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/live=20 > type people... beware, here speaks the words of truth from a=20 > recovering addict, now sit down relax and dream of those enigmatic=20 > metal boxes with flashing lights and real cables... racks... and now=20= > when you are completely relaxed ask yourself this question, "am I=20 > using a laptop cos its easier to get to gigs?") > > > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for=20 > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 20:34:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 290053BEC2; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <451ED4BB.1070001@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:34:03 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Belated Results: 2005 Looper Survey! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:34:04 +0000 (UTC) It's official. I'm a slacker. I had been planning on 2006 being the year that I got serious about blogging and podcasting and live streaming and other cool music-related technologies. But, other priorities prevailed, and here I am now with a neglected blog and website, a non-existant podcast, and no live streaming performances under my belt. :( But everyday is a chance to start over, right? :) Here's a link to my blog post from this afternoon, summarizing some of the basic results of the online 2005 Looping Survey conducted starting in November 2005: http://uncledig.com/wp/ (by the way, my "audio gallery" site is still alive, at http://www.uncledig.com/ if you're interested in that sort of thing) Many of you participated in the survey (110 of the 182 respondents were LD members), and I want to thank you for taking the time to do it. This survey was completed just *before* things really started to heat up with the Looperlative, so you won't even see it in the list of standard answers. It *was* listed by a couple of people in the "other" columns. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like in another year! As a quick comparison, the 2003 survey (taken in November 2003) showed these results: 94 people responded 310 total devices were reported (3.3 devices per person) 1) Echoplex Digital Pro = 68 devices 2) Electrix Repeater = 36 devices 3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 33 devices 4) Lexicon Jamman = 19 devices 5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 11 devices 6) Ableton Live = 11 devices 7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 10 devices 8) Akai Headrush - 6 devices 9) Boss RC-20 - 6 devices 10) Lexicon Vortex - 6 devices In 2005's survey, these were the results: 182 people responded 922 total devices were reported (5.1 devices per person) 1) Echoplex Digital Pro - 98 devices 2) Line 6 DL-4 - 56 devices 3) Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) - 45 devices 4) Ableton Live (software) - 44 devices 5) Electrix Repeater - 43 devices 6) Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) - 41 devices 7) Lexicon Vortex - 37 devices 8) Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 - 36 devices 9) Boss DD-20 - 33 devices 10) Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) - 26 devices Doug http://www.uncledig.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 21:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317B93BEB8; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:28:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <4c7tuB.A.ScG.vFuHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:16 +0000 (UTC) > Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. think > up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and construct the > tool for the job. This could be processing a string quartet by "applying" > algorithms based on Moterhead samples for quadraphonic playback, or > slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each slice is randomly pitched and > panned based on the skin resistance of a sleeping child. >>That is certainly one possibility, and one that I would like to see/hear!!!! But you can also do other things...like create a vst host that works like YOU want it to..... >>Krispen, chime in here....! Yup...you can create a kick ass VST host with MAX, better than anything you could possibly buy off the shelf....and you can just keep on making it better and evolving as you evolve as a performer...that's what I plan to do with it, at least. And, on a slighly humorous note, the last time Jeff was here in Boise, we concieved of some new MAX/MSP patches to train jazz musicians how to slow down and play less notes. Basically the patch would count the number of notes you played in a fixed period of time, or on average, and if you reached your quoto, it would mute you (i.e., punish you). And then the other theoretical patch was to train newby improvisors how to play non-diatonically. Basically, it would shut you off if you played on a particular key for a pre-defined length of time...oh, the possibilities are limitless! :) > Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible > environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future > musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will > probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance > thingy that Max would make.... >> Reaktor can run inside of max...best of both worlds, if you want them. Works for me. Between Reaktor 5 running as a VST inside my max/msp vst host, and the capabilities of max/msp itself, I am most definitely drinking from the firehose of capability....there is no way I would need anything else, as I could spend the rest of my life with just these two apps >> I just wish Mobius was ported to mac.....that would be awesome.... doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? I used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 21:44:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A05E3BEB8; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18af01c6e4d9$99de59c0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <451ED4BB.1070001@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Belated Results: 2005 Looper Survey! Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:44:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm surprise not to see Mobius on the top 10 list. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: Belated Results: 2005 Looper Survey! > It's official. I'm a slacker. > > I had been planning on 2006 being the year that I got serious about > blogging and podcasting and live streaming and other cool music-related > technologies. But, other priorities prevailed, and here I am now with a > neglected blog and website, a non-existant podcast, and no live > streaming performances under my belt. :( > > But everyday is a chance to start over, right? :) > > Here's a link to my blog post from this afternoon, summarizing some of > the basic results of the online 2005 Looping Survey conducted starting > in November 2005: > > http://uncledig.com/wp/ > (by the way, my "audio gallery" site is still alive, at > http://www.uncledig.com/ if you're interested in that sort of thing) > > Many of you participated in the survey (110 of the 182 respondents were > LD members), and I want to thank you for taking the time to do it. This > survey was completed just *before* things really started to heat up with > the Looperlative, so you won't even see it in the list of standard > answers. It *was* listed by a couple of people in the "other" columns. > It'll be interesting to see what it looks like in another year! > > As a quick comparison, the 2003 survey (taken in November 2003) showed > these results: > > 94 people responded > 310 total devices were reported > (3.3 devices per person) > > 1) Echoplex Digital Pro = 68 devices > 2) Electrix Repeater = 36 devices > 3) Line6 DL-4 Delay Modeler = 33 devices > 4) Lexicon Jamman = 19 devices > 5) Kaoss Pad I or II = 11 devices > 6) Ableton Live = 11 devices > 7) Boomerang/Boomerang + = 10 devices > 8) Akai Headrush - 6 devices > 9) Boss RC-20 - 6 devices > 10) Lexicon Vortex - 6 devices > > In 2005's survey, these were the results: > > 182 people responded > 922 total devices were reported > (5.1 devices per person) > > 1) Echoplex Digital Pro - 98 devices > 2) Line 6 DL-4 - 56 devices > 3) Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) - 45 devices > 4) Ableton Live (software) - 44 devices > 5) Electrix Repeater - 43 devices > 6) Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) - 41 devices > 7) Lexicon Vortex - 37 devices > 8) Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 - 36 devices > 9) Boss DD-20 - 33 devices > 10) Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) - 26 devices > > Doug > http://www.uncledig.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 21:53:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FB93BEC2; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Av/W4fqtzMHVk0H5ulRy1n3ormdK+lrTplUamcUMCVJMMiT6tp8O0tnRQHtWFJlyJkWvOw4/opg7UVJM1ZYUzFExSvpBfYWwhTW/IVtbhAC8uNnbrV6YjUDd00Q1gO461KA3UxzxVBLJpaXEVzEHEObbzSnrZYBroWH3T1prz9c= In-Reply-To: <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <218D8557-16DE-476D-869A-E366DE8F8C2B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:52:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8l9GUB.A.pYC.DduHFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:53:07 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2006, at 23.28, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> I just wish Mobius was ported to mac.....that would be awesome.... > > doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? > I used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, Hey - today MAX runs on XP too! I asked at Cycling74 and the user license will let you install a copy in OSX and another in XP (both systems can live on the same Intel Mac). For the experimentally minded Numerology should also make an excellent host for Mobius plug- in, but unfortunately it is OSX only. Most of my Mobius scripts are in fact mock-ups of what I would do much quicker, and more efficient, in Numerology if Mobius was an AU plug-in. I do hope Mobius expand into OSX in the future, so I can use Numerology as the host. If that should no happen I may get MAX, create my modules in MAX and run it in XP for Mobius (and in OSX for Logic). http://www.five12.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 22:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 056CD3BECF; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <218D8557-16DE-476D-869A-E366DE8F8C2B@gmail.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <218D8557-16DE-476D-869A-E366DE8F8C2B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:18:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:45 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Hey - today MAX runs on XP too! I asked at Cycling74 and the user=20 > license will let you install a copy in OSX and another in XP (both=20 > systems can live on the same Intel Mac). I know, I know....I'm a die hard......I love macOS..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 23:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867823BED2; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repair Headrush E1? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) My Akai Headrush E1 looper pedal recently developed an annoying malfunction: the clean signal is gone, but is captured in the loop. I can loop, I can overdub the loop, I can start and stop the loop, but the clean signal is gone. If I switch it to the non-loop functions, the clean signal is still gone. I opened it up and didn't see any loose wires. Any suggestions of where I might send it for repair? best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/